John C. Dvorak (1:46)

We should have done an emergency podcast.

Adam Curry (1:51)

You're so right. I can't this. If there ever was a moment. I don't think people even ask us for that anymore. They don't even ask us for emergency pods anymore. They're like.

John C. Dvorak (2:00)

Well, because they know what's going to happen.

Adam Curry (2:02)

Those guys aren't going to do.

John C. Dvorak (2:03)

They're not going to get one.

Adam Curry (2:04)

Not going to do an emergency pod.

John C. Dvorak (2:05)

You want to do I do some background here.

Adam Curry (2:08)

Want to do a three by three?

John C. Dvorak (2:09)

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Adam Curry (2:11)

For Three by Three is indeed an experiment by JCB comparing stories from abc, CBS and NBC. I will say, before you get into your three by three, has nobody figured out Trump's algo yet? I mean, is it really.

John C. Dvorak (2:33)

Of course they have.

Adam Curry (2:34)

Is it really that hard to understand how he works and what he does and you know this was so good. It, I mean, when I saw, well, we saw the Easter Sunday one come in pretty much live and then the, you know, the civilization thing, it's like, did we forget Rocket Man? I've got a button on my desk and it works. And come on. It's like.

John C. Dvorak (3:03)

All right, well, the one thing I definitely want to play after this is before all this finally resolved, if you want to call it that, is Megyn Kelly.

Adam Curry (3:13)

Oh, yeah, no, we have some crazy people to play, but let's get into three by three first.

John C. Dvorak (3:19)

Yeah. Let's start with ABC tonight, 90 minutes

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (3:21)

before his deadline, President Trump announcing he has agreed to suspend the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks. He says his decision would depend on Iran agreeing to the complete, immediate and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz. About an hour later, Iran announcing it had agreed. The President calling the ceasefire double sided. It comes at the end of a day that began with Trump's dire threat. A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. The President's extraordinary threat that a whole civilization will die tonight. Condemned in Rome by the first American Pope.

Adam Curry (3:59)

Attacks on civilian infrastructure is against international law, but that it is also a sign of. Was this the Pope? Was that the Pope talking?

John C. Dvorak (4:11)

It might be. I mean, he's American, he's from Chicago.

Adam Curry (4:14)

The division, the destruction the human being is capable of.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (4:18)

Some Republicans cheering the President on. Senator Kevin Kramer of North Dakota saying if the cruel, unelected rulers of Iran are stupid enough to think President Trump is bluffing, I hope they're prepared to meet their maker. Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson, usually in lockstep with the President, but not tonight.

Adam Curry (4:37)

I do not want to see us start blowing up civilian infrastructure. I do not want to see that. We are not at war with the Iranian people. We are trying to liberate them.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (4:48)

Trump's one time close ally, Tucker Carlson,

Adam Curry (4:51)

disgusted on every level. It is vile on every level.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (4:57)

Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene posting 25th Amendment. Not a single bomb has dropped on America. We cannot kill an entire civilization. This is evil and madness.

Adam Curry (5:08)

This was fantastic. I mean, anyone who took this seriously, and I mean this, this is Hulk Hogan, The Iron Sheik, 1984, Madison Square Garden. It's exactly the same.

John C. Dvorak (5:22)

Exactly Hulk, yes, exactly the same.

Adam Curry (5:25)

In fact. You want, you want to hear it? I happen to have the clip.

John C. Dvorak (5:27)

Yeah. Play it.

Adam Curry (5:28)

Here we go. World Wrestling Federation heavyweight champion Hulk Hogan against the Iron Sheet. What? That's your surprise to Me? Yes. Well, I'll tell you something. You show the match. You go ahead, Jack. And don't you ever pull no surprise on me again or I'll tighten your tie. Good for you, Bo. To go up to the ring right now, the introductions to our championship vault with the World Wrestling Federation heavyweight champion. You and your stupid. Enough. That's the shake. The shake. This contest is for the World Wrestling Federation heavyweight championship. One fall, one hour time limit in the ring at this time. First, the manager, classy Fred Glassy. Weighing 258 pounds. The challenger, the Iron Sheik. And they played Eye of the Tiger. When Hog Hulk Hogan came out.

John C. Dvorak (6:34)

I met the Iron Sheik.

Adam Curry (6:36)

Oh, he must have been a super nice guy.

John C. Dvorak (6:38)

Oh, he's a super nice guy. I have an autographed photo.

Adam Curry (6:41)

Is he still alive? Does he still exist? I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (6:44)

I can't remember to be honest about. It's funny because I only reminded myself that I met him because I found a photo the other day and I can't remember for the life of me when. This was probably about 10 years ago,

Adam Curry (6:58)

because he spoke Farsi. He actually, because I have a whole bunch of these clips, I was trying to get something with a better quality and he speaks Farsi. And then the guy goes, listen, Sheik, we know you speak English. Did Trump own the franchise back then? Did he own. He didn't own that, did he?

John C. Dvorak (7:15)

No, no, never. He never did.

Adam Curry (7:17)

But he understand this mechanism. So when I saw him, you know, civilization will end. I'm like, he already has a deal in the pocket. He's already got to go. It's good to go. And this is what our. Our guy in the region.

John C. Dvorak (7:33)

Yeah. Why don't we take a break from the three by. We're going to do the rest of them. But read our latest note from our guy, our boots on the ground guy in the Middle East.

Adam Curry (7:42)

Okay, here he is. Multiple versions of the 10 conditions in Iranian media. Nobody has seen the one the US agreed to. Both sides claim victory. Iranian propaganda gone next level with AI no kidding, with Trump with a white, with a white flag coming down out of Air Force One. Military spokesperson doing two minute Instagram ready videos in English, Arabic and Hebrew. Plus conspiracy theory that the airman rescue was fake. Actually two failed uranium extraction ops, you know, and he was, he was, over the past few days, he was saying 90% certain this is WWE. He was saying WWE. And then, and then the minute Trump came out with civilization says 99% certain. This is total horse crap. He knew it and he's, he's right next door to Iran. He knew it.

John C. Dvorak (8:36)

Yeah, and I'm sure the locals all kind of figured it out.

Adam Curry (8:39)

I hope so. But that doesn't cut it for the American M5M and apparently most of the podcasters. We'll get to that after we play your three.

John C. Dvorak (8:51)

Yes, let's play. Let's move on. Okay, that was abc. These are all pretty much the same report as usual.

Adam Curry (8:57)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (8:57)

And so let's move to NBC.

Adam Curry (9:00)

Walk us through the President's Truth Social post and this apparent sudden pause in fighting. Well, Tom, that truth social post came just minutes ago and just within the past few moments. We are now hearing from Iranian state T which says that the US has accepted Iran's conditions, although there are still things that are unclear. This is the President's true social post where he said, subject to the Islamic Republic of Iran agreeing to the complete, immediate and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz, I agree to suspend the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks. He calls it a double ceasefire. Now the President also saying that There was a 10 point proposal from Iran and he says that it's a workable basis on which to negotiate. The President claims that all past contention, various points of contention have been agreed to between the US And Iran, but that this two week period will allow the agreement to be finalized. Now this caps off, Tom. A day of rapid developments. There have been ongoing strikes throughout the Middle east. And President Trump had dramatically escalated his threats against Iran, posting earlier today on social media, a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back. Now, ahead of that deadline, Iran's regime today urged people to line up outside power plants. You're seeing video from state TV of some of those people lined up outside the bridges and power plants. Now in a phone call late today, the President told me that the use of human shields would be totally illegal. And he added that they're not allowed to do that. There was strong pushback from across the world. Democrats called that earlier post unhinged. Even some conservatives were concerned that the President might be going too far. Wow. Disappointingly boring from NBC. They could have done a lot better. Just one dude, that's all they had. They had no clips, no nat pops, no nothing.

John C. Dvorak (10:50)

No nat pops, nothing. Yeah. And then you have your the closest thing to Republicans now that supposedly Barry Weiss is running it.

Adam Curry (11:02)

CBS Tonight the world is watching.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (11:05)

After President Trump warned this morning a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. The President says the US has a plan to Bomb Iran. Iran's bridges and power plants beginning at 8pm Eastern. If an agreement is not reached to

Adam Curry (11:21)

end the war, where every power plant in Iran will be out of business, burning, exploding and never to be used again.

John C. Dvorak (11:31)

I mean, complete demolition.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (11:33)

The Prime Minister of Pakistan, a mediator for negotiations, has asked for a two week cease fire and that Trump extend the deadline on X. He said that diplomatic efforts are progressing steadily, strongly and powerfully, and called on Iran to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. Vice President J.D. vance is urging Iran to make a deal. Democrats say Trump is on the verge of committing war crimes.

Adam Curry (11:59)

Threatening to eliminate a civilization is comparable to genocide. That's illegal, immoral.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (12:06)

Some Republican senators, including Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, are also concerned about Trump's threats.

Adam Curry (12:13)

I do not want to see us start blowing up civilian infrastructure. I do not want to see that we are not at war with the Iranian people.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (12:22)

Well, Tony, those threats are on hold for now because just moments ago, President Trump posted on Truth Social that because Iran has agreed to complete a media and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz, he agrees to suspend the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks. The President goes on to say that this will be a double ceasefire. So with less than two hours left until that 8pm deadline, the president announcing that for now the attacks are on hold and there will be more time to try to sort out a permanent deal.

Adam Curry (12:59)

Oh, also boring. Just boring long.

John C. Dvorak (13:02)

And what's a double sided.

Adam Curry (13:04)

I don't know, it's a double sided tape.

John C. Dvorak (13:07)

They brought that up on two of these reports and neither one, nobody questioned. What does it mean? Double sided? Ceasefire. Now, ceasefire would be a ceasefire where everybody stops shooting. What's double sided?

Adam Curry (13:23)

It's just one of those memes that gets out there and then they start using it and they're stupid. So I've been talking to Lex, my first boss, over the past couple of days. He's about to turn 81, I think. I went to his 80th birthday party last year. It was a lot of fun. And his wife Fariba, she has her sister and all of her family is in Iran. And so we've been going back and forth and he's like, wow, man. Yeah, of course everyone wants those mullahs to get, get kicked out, but we don't think it's, you know, it doesn't seem like it's going the way it should. And Fariba has not heard from her, from her family for five weeks and she was really worried. I got an email this morning he said Fariba was able to call, talk to her sister and all the family is fine. Everything in Iran is fine. No damage, plenty to eat. Everything is calm in Tehran. Everything is closed except for the supermarkets. So that's a little different view than you might get from what you'd hear about the war and civilian infrastructure. And we're killing everybody. I got two little mini super cuts here. Well, civilization will die tonight.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (14:41)

Whole civilization will die tonight. Full civilization will die tonight.

Adam Curry (14:46)

Full civilization will die tonight.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (14:48)

Whole civilization will die tonight.

Adam Curry (14:51)

Whole civilization will die tonight.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (14:53)

Whole civilization will die tonight. Whole civilization will die tonight. Whole civilization will die tonight.

Adam Curry (14:59)

All civilization will die tonight.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (15:01)

Whole civilization will die tonight.

Adam Curry (15:04)

Civilization will die tonight. All civilization will die tonight.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (15:08)

All civilization will die tonight. All civilization will die tonight.

Adam Curry (15:14)

All civilization will die tonight. All civilization will die tonight.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (15:19)

All civilization will die tonight. All civilization will die tonight.

Adam Curry (15:23)

And then right after that, we got this one. The 25th amendment. The 25th amendment. 25th amendment. The 25th Amendment.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (15:31)

For the 25th amendment.

Adam Curry (15:32)

The 25th ample.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (15:33)

The 25th amendment.

Adam Curry (15:35)

The 25th amendment. Not the 25th amendment. The 25rd amendment. The 25th amendment.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (15:40)

The25th amendment. The 25th amendment.

Adam Curry (15:42)

So the 25th amendment. The 25nd amendment. A 25th amendment.

John C. Dvorak (15:46)

25th amendment. The 25th amendment.

Adam Curry (15:48)

The 25rd Amendment to be the 25th amendment. How do we 25th amendment is asked. Okay, so that was the most surprising. I'm going to get to your. You're going to get to your. Your Megyn Kelly clip in a minute. Alex Jones went absolutely bonkers.

John C. Dvorak (16:04)

Yep.

Adam Curry (16:04)

He was going. He was freaking out here it is paradoxical threat. How do we 25th amendment is asked. The problem is to get the 25th amendment, it's harder than impeachment. You have to get two thirds of the House and two thirds of the Senate. So what do we do? What do we do?

John C. Dvorak (16:16)

I'm part of an impeachment. Who said that?

Adam Curry (16:20)

That's the dude he has on. I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (16:22)

Oh, that.

Adam Curry (16:22)

That guy I think is that guy. The 25th Amendment is harder than impeachment. You have to get two thirds of the House and two thirds of the Senate. So what do we do? No, that's not 25th Amendment. You need the vice president and the Cabinet. Cabinet. Yeah. Well, tackle Trump and let him pretend he's president and publicly report that he's going through a health issue and Vance takeover. These people truly think Trump is nuts. They think he's lost his marbles. They think that he's like, this is not sleepy. Joe Biden this is not the crazy guy we actually had for four years who was running.

John C. Dvorak (17:02)

They never mentioned the 25th Amendment ever

Adam Curry (17:05)

literally needs to be something like that. It's that bad. The I've known you a long time. You've never called for a internal coup before, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. That's how dangerous should have called it when Biden was pregnant.

John C. Dvorak (17:16)

This is.

Adam Curry (17:17)

That's how risky it is for the whole. Yeah, if I was the Democrats, I'd stop poking Trump and messing with that only makes it worse. Like, you guys need to watch out. Yeah, this isn't a guy acting like he's crazy. This is real. This is real. Over in 2023, 2028. If this hits the fan, if we get it, he's threatening an extinction level event. Like of all people, Alex Jones, you should know what this is. And without it was emergency pod, everybody. Emergency pod. Right away. The end of civilization, 25th amendment. We gotta do it right away. I read the documents. We gotta go get him right away. We got a 25th amendment is ass. It's real. It's real. It's real.

John C. Dvorak (17:56)

Okay, that's pretty good.

Adam Curry (17:57)

Okay, one more and then I wanna hear, I wanna hear your Megyn Kelly clip.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (18:03)

Meanwhile, Trump's insane threats have become something of a last straw for many in the President's fraying mag coalition. Right wing influencers like Alex Jones, Candace Owens, Marjorie Taylor Greene are now calling on Trump's cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment and remove Trump from office. And just listen to this familiar sounding edict from maggot influencer Tucker Carlson.

Adam Curry (18:23)

If you work in the White House or in the US Military, now it's time to say no, absolutely not. And say it directly to the President. No. Those people who are in direct contact with the President need to say no, no, I'll resign. I'll do whatever I can do legally to stop this, because this is insane. And if given the order, I'm not carrying it out. Figure out the codes on the football yourself. Sound familiar?

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (18:47)

Tucker Carlson is imploring members of the military not to carry out any illegal orders issued by Donald Trump. That's essentially the same advice that several Democratic lawmakers gave to members of the armed services last year. It's the advice that prompted Trump to accuse those Democrats of treason. Target them for retribution.

Adam Curry (19:05)

He's not wrong. That is exactly the same thing. What is wrong with these people? I mean, Tucker Carlson claims to know Trump really well. He's got him on speed dial. I go to visit him all the time. I talk to him all the time. Does he really not know how the President operates? We're two podcasters sitting on our butts for 18 years. We got it figured out.

John C. Dvorak (19:32)

Yeah, and then there's Megyn Kelly.

Adam Curry (19:34)

Here we go.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (19:35)

Now, as you can imagine, that post did not go over well with the Iranians or with many Americans. I mean, I don't know about you, but I am sick of this shit. I'm just. I'm sick of it. Can he just behave like a normal human? I mean, honestly, like the President. 3D chess. Shut up. Shut up about that.

Adam Curry (19:59)

Oh, boy.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (20:00)

Don't threaten to wipe out an entire civilization. We're talking about civilians just casually in a social media post. You know, like, I. I am the first to try to understand Trump and his strategy and to not freak out over his weird social media posts and language that is loose and incendiary. Truly, I've lived with it for 10 plus years. I learned it the hard way when I was on the receiving end of it for nine months. And truly, I think that was a gift to me in many ways because it helped me really come to understand what he does with his social media. But this is completely irresponsible and disgusting. This is wrong. It's wrong.

Adam Curry (20:47)

It's wrong.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (20:48)

He should not be doing it. I don't care that it's a negotiate. His negotiation tactic is to kill an entire country full of civilians, men, women and children. An American president, so that the Strait of Hormuz will be opened. It's just wrong. It's not hard to say it. It's not hard to recognize it. I wish he would stop doing this. Like, he can't negotiate without doing this. What does that say about him? What does that say about the. The position that our country is in right now in these negotiations? He's got it. He's got to say this. This. He can't be a dignified, strong leader without threatening a bunch of war crimes.

Adam Curry (21:34)

Like he.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (21:35)

What is. What is he, Genghis Khan? Like, what. What is he trying to do? And why can't he do it with strength? Threats, sure, go for it. That don't diminish and demean the United States of America in this way.

Adam Curry (21:53)

Wow, Again, she's. I was the first one to be targeted by you.

John C. Dvorak (21:58)

She's actually off the. She's unhinged with her cussing.

Adam Curry (22:02)

Well, she's been doing that for more than a year now.

John C. Dvorak (22:05)

You know, she's. Talk about somebody who should get their act together. Let's stop for a second. And she Mentioned the Genghis Khan thing, which I wrote a little missive in the newsletter.

Adam Curry (22:16)

A missive? A missive.

John C. Dvorak (22:18)

It's a missive. Jay's doing the newsletter. I have to put these.

Adam Curry (22:22)

What is a missive? What is the missive? Hold on, hold on. Let's ask the robot. Here we go.

John C. Dvorak (22:27)

There you go.

Adam Curry (22:28)

There we go. What is the definition of a missive? Now this should be interesting to find out. Here we go. It's taken too long.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (22:38)

A missive is a written communication or letter.

Adam Curry (22:39)

Comes from Latin.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (22:40)

Mrs. Meaning to send.

Adam Curry (22:42)

Perfect. Okay, well, that's useless. No, it's exactly what it is. It was a letter.

John C. Dvorak (22:48)

It was sent. Yeah, people should. And by the way, everyone out there gets the newsletter. Who subscribes, Please try to dig it out of your spam box and whitelist the new mailing address that we're using.

Adam Curry (23:00)

Oh, what are we using?

John C. Dvorak (23:01)

It's NA newsletter@nashownotes.com.

Adam Curry (23:06)

oh, okay. Nannewsletter nashownotes.com.

John C. Dvorak (23:11)

all right, well, you get that whitelisted?

Adam Curry (23:13)

Yes, whitelisted people.

John C. Dvorak (23:15)

So in 12, around 12:15, Genghis Khan was taking over the place, and he. He wanted to do a deal with the. With the Persia, which is Iran, and to create a. Do some trading. And so he sent some envoys to discuss this, and the Persians, thinking it would be a good idea, just killed them.

Adam Curry (23:43)

I don't know why I'm laughing.

John C. Dvorak (23:45)

Yeah, the Persians killed him. Genghis Khan said, this is what's wrong. What's wrong with these people. I'm trying to do a deal here. I'm trying to do a deal. So he sent somebody else, one of his higher ups, and they killed him. They just killed him.

Adam Curry (24:00)

The Persians now known as the Iranians.

John C. Dvorak (24:03)

Yes. And so Genghis Khan went and ransacked and wiped out Persia. He took his hordes and said, hell with these people. They don't know how to negotiate in good faith. Does that ring a bell? Let's just take care of them. And for all practical purposes, he. He destroyed persia, his hordes. 160 years later, kind of. His protege, Tamerlane came in to try to do a deal with the woods left of Persia, and they did the same thing to him. So he wiped them out. So they're bad negotiators. They historically bad. And they also have a deep cultural understanding that they've been wiped out completely in the past and it could happen again. And that's what Trump was tapping into. He was tapping into a cultural fear that goes Way back into their history. And they all, they all felt it.

Adam Curry (25:03)

Wow. Very good. That is exact. And so it worked.

John C. Dvorak (25:08)

And it worked to a point. But they're still gonna screw us. They're not, they're, they're bad negotiators. They don't know. They're just incompetent. He's gonna have to figure out the work because they're never going to, it's always going to be there's something wrong with them. Now we have a lot of Persians, Americans and we probably have a few listening to the show and they're all, and they're great people. But there's something wrong with the culture when it comes to doing business with other countries.

Adam Curry (25:37)

It's like a best price, only different.

John C. Dvorak (25:40)

Something's amiss.

Adam Curry (25:42)

Well, I have some thoughts. It all depends on what you think is, is what you want to get out of the deal. Let me just play a few interim clips here about the ceasefire. This is a pooper on the beach. Good evening from the newsroom. Topping our CNN global war coverage. CNN global war coverage. Not just any war coverage. CNN Global war coverage. Cease fire under fire. A truce the public has yet to see in writing the details of which both sides are disputing right down to whether all the parties have to cease all their fire. In response, Iran said it was stopping oil tanker right down to whether all the parties have to cease their firing during the cease fire. That would be kind of the point of the cease fire. Thank you, Andrew. Eyes are disputing right down to whether all the parties have to cease all their firing. In response, Iran said it was stopping oil tanker traffic through the Strait of Hormuz after allowing two ships through. After the cease fire took effect, oil prices which settled today sharply lower, began ticking back up in after hours trading. At issue whether Israel is a full party to the cease fire, meaning it includes Israeli strikes on Lebanon or just strikes on Iran. Pakistan's prime minister who brokered the truce said yes, they are, so does Iran. President Trump says no and Vice President Vance today said this. I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought that the ceasefire included Lebanon and it just didn't. We never made that promise. We never indicated that was going to be the case. What we said is that the cease fire would be focused on Iran and the cease fire would be focused on America's allies, both Israel and the Gulf Arab states. Now that said the Israelis, as I understand it, again, I'm supposed to get a fuller report when I get on the plane. Have actually offered to be, frankly, to check themselves a little bit in Lebanon because they want to make sure that our negotiation is successful. That's not. Because that is part of the ceasefire. I think that's the Israelis trying to set us up for success. And we'll of course, see how that unfolds in the next few days. I disagree with Vice President Vance there. I don't think the Israelis setting us up for success anywhere. Netanyahu saying, we've got our finger on the trigger. Trump should stop, just stop. And he's like, well, we want to keep going, we want to do this, we want to do that. Nah, just stop for a moment. We got to figure this out. So we'll see. We'll see if they're setting us up.

John C. Dvorak (28:01)

Yeah. Who's over the hill?

Adam Curry (28:03)

He is. It's just not possible to report who is right here because there's no single written truce for all to see. This morning in a social media post, the President said, quote, many of the 15 points have already been agreed to. Last night though, he said, we received a 10 point proposal from Iran and believe it is Trump likes these 10, 15, 12, 9 point deals. That's part of his, another part of his algo that he's always doing. Remember we had him with Ukraine. Only two more left. Only one more left. Oh, looks like we got five.

John C. Dvorak (28:36)

Now.

Adam Curry (28:36)

This part of the system that he deploys, basis on which to negotiate. Now, we do know that the US had earlier sent through Pakistan a 15 point plan for ending the war and that Iran responded with their own 10. What we do not know, do we really are part of the ceasefire or even if any of them are. And there are mixed messages about whether Iran is living up to one of President Trump's central demands of maintaining the ceasefire. In his announcement last night, he conditioned ending strikes in Iran to Tehran, quote, agreeing to the complete, immediate and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz. This morning, the Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth, said Iran had done that. What we know is that Iran is going to say a lot of things, a lot of people are going to say a lot of things, claim a lot of things. What has been agreed to, what's been stated is the street is open. So that was this morning. By this afternoon, though, the Vice President was suggesting, at best, the strait is not quite open. Well, we've already seen an increase in traffic today. Hopefully we'll see an increase in traffic tomorrow. We actually think that we are seeing signs that the streets are starting to reopen. You know who Knows what's open, what's closed, and was it ever really closed? I mean, is it mined? We don't know. I do have thoughts about this after we go to our European and UK partners who all of a sudden are like, oh, yeah, well, you know this. We're in the. We got a ceasefire and we got negotiations going on. Keir Starmer, who wouldn't do anything, couldn't do anything. I think the British Navy is, you know, they wanted to sail, but they were out of coal, so they decided not to come. And then here he is now because he was in the region. Conven. Oh, yes, we. We've done this. We've got this happening. Well, we've just reached this ceasefire, which is, who's this we? Who's this we?

John C. Dvorak (30:31)

Has he got a mouse in his pocket?

Adam Curry (30:33)

Welcome. And I think there'll be a sense of real relief. There certainly is, across the region and for the United Kingdom. But there's work to do, and I'm here in Saudi Arabia and neighboring countries now to carry out that work in support of what we're all seeking, which is the. This ceasefire should be not a temporary ceasefire, but a permanent ceasefire. On top of that, we have to acknowledge that this war was now war. But my job is to protect the uk. It's already had an impact on the uk and it's very important we get the straight up Hormuz open. There's a lot of work to do there. We've been convening a number of countries. I now get the opportunity here in Saudi Arabia and countries nearby in the region to have the discussion, to coordinate our actions and to go forward collectively in pursuit of those two missions. Get out of here, you limey. You didn't do anything. He's jumping in.

John C. Dvorak (31:26)

Oh, we didn't do anything. They wouldn't even let us use their base, our own bases, as a stopover point for any attack.

Adam Curry (31:35)

So what do you do next? Well, we've got a real problem. Trump is clearly making noise about NATO, so bring in Rutte. Rutte comes in, he's got to sit with the President. It pains me, Mr. President, to think you don't think we have your back. And I love Mark Rutte. He's so much fun. He's fun to make fun of. He went on Tapper show to try and let everybody know everything's okay, we're good, NATO is fine. Don't worry about it. The President may be a little disappointed, but we fix it. Okay? NATO Secretary General Mark Ruda is here with us now. In Eugene just came from a meeting at the White House with President Trump. He's not been hiding his frustrations with NATO countries. How was the meeting? Did he say he's withdrawing? Well, let me be absolutely clear. He is clearly disappointed. Yes. And with many NATO allies and yes, we say pissed off is what we say. Can see his point. Yes. But at the same time I was also able to point to the fact that the large majority of European nations has been helpful with basing with logistics, with overflights. No, the large majority has not been helpful. No, this is not true. This is not for Spain. This is not for the UK this is not right. With making sure that they lived up to the commitments. And there is also widespread support for the fact that degrading the nuclear and the ballistic missile to compared capacity from Iran was really crucial. Yes. And that only the US was able at this point to do that. And let's not forget this, there's Keir Starmer, the British Prime Minister who is bringing together now a coalition of over 30 countries. But now Keir Starmer is the hero. Over 40, but 34 participated yesterday in a planning meeting military leaders to make sure that free sea land change being able to use this trade of Hormuz going forward it will be possible. So I also pointed him to the positive. But clearly this was a very frank, a very open discussion, but also discussion between two good friends. Yeah, good friends. I don't think so.

John C. Dvorak (33:51)

I have a couple of clips from NPR that discuss this. Okay, that's. These are npr. Quit NATO.

Adam Curry (34:01)

Quit NATO. Got it. The head of NATO visits the White House today. Well timed visit for Mark Ruta. The president has lashed out at NATO allies for their reluctance or refusal to support the war. Terry Schultz reports that Ruda has become accustomed to navigate. Can no one get this right? Rutte, you don't have to roll the R, but it's Ruda. No, it's Rutte.

John C. Dvorak (34:21)

I would roll the R. Do I pronounce it correctly?

Adam Curry (34:29)

A little. No, it's like this. Rutte.

John C. Dvorak (34:33)

Ruta.

Adam Curry (34:34)

Don't go at the end, just rutte. Rutte. Yeah, there you go. You're Dutch.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (34:39)

The Trump administration the last time NATO chief Mark Rutte had this much riding on a meeting with Donald Trump, the president had insisted he was going to take over the Danish island of Greenland, possibly by military force. Denmark was up in arms, literally sending troops to Greenland to fight back against forces if necessary. Then in a private meeting, Ruta convinced Trump he should talk things out with Denmark instead of invading. Now Ruta's task.

John C. Dvorak (35:06)

We never were going to invade.

Adam Curry (35:08)

No, but this is. It's npr, man.

John C. Dvorak (35:10)

Bull crap report.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (35:11)

It's your report shouldn't quit NATO as he's repeatedly threatened over European disapproval of his war on Iran.

Adam Curry (35:19)

It's certainly a very, very dangerous moment for NATO.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (35:23)

Martin can say what the German Marshall Fund think tank expects. Ruta to continue his practice of extreme flattery of Trump and to try to keep the wins for the president, such as forcing the other NATO governments to dramatically increase defense spending.

John C. Dvorak (35:37)

Rutte is committed to make sure that

Adam Curry (35:40)

the US does not effectively retreat from European security. And I believe that he will continue to say whatever he thinks is necessary to convince Donald Trump that it is not in the US Interest to go further in criticizing NATO or even weakening

John C. Dvorak (35:58)

the credibility of Article 5.

Adam Curry (36:00)

Oh, really? I think it's just fine. We didn't, you know, to be fair about it, the president never invoked Article 5. Is there a process? There must be a process where you have to invoke Article 5.

John C. Dvorak (36:14)

Yeah. No, he just bitched.

Adam Curry (36:17)

Good enough. Good enough for me. He just bitched and everyone. No, that's not our war. It's your thing. You go do it, whatever. And then the minute there's a ceasefire, a double sided ceasefire, then like, hey, yeah, it's great.

John C. Dvorak (36:32)

Hey, we're all in.

Adam Curry (36:32)

We're in.

John C. Dvorak (36:33)

Yeah, let's play part two.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (36:35)

Article five. The all for one, one for all pledge of solidarity and collective defense is one of the aspects of NATO membership that Trump takes issue with most often. And it's the one that Linus Kojela, director of the Geopolitics and Security Studies center in Vilnius, Lithuania, worries about the most.

Adam Curry (36:54)

We cannot allow ourselves to see us withdrawing from NATO formally or informally. That would be detrimental to the security of especially the eastern flank countries. We are vulnerable.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (37:08)

Kojela even suggests opponents of Trump's war on Iran should perhaps tone down the dispute in favor of the end goal, keeping NATO together. European NATO members will be watching Rutte closely, hoping he can keep Article 5 credibility intact and prevent discussion of Article 13 of NATO's founding treaty. That's the one laying out the path for how a country can leave the alliance.

Adam Curry (37:32)

Oh, oh, Article 13. I like Article 13. That sounds fun. Back to Ruta for one more clip because he's really hat in hand on this. So you talked about the statement of NATO allied countries, about the Strait of Hormuz, about trying to figure out a way forward. Here is the White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt, when asked, asked about the joint statement from the NATO governments about the Strait of Hormuz. Here's what she had to say. I have a direct quote from the

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (38:00)

President of the United States on NATO, and I will share it with all of you. They were tested and they failed.

Adam Curry (38:06)

Do you agree that NATO countries, some of them, were tested and failed? Some of them, yes. But a large majority of European countries, and that's what we discussed today, have done what they promised before in a case like this. Because. Because they know that when it comes to NATO, it's there to protect the United States. Because the US Needs to secure Atlantic and secure Arctic and a secure Europe to stay safe here, the U.S. mainland. But it is also there to make sure that, of course, Europe is safe and to be this platform of power projection for the United States. So what the US did with Iran, they could do because so many European countries lived up to those commitments statements. Not all of them. And I totally understand his disappointment about that. But it is therefore a nuanced picture. It is not just saying it is black or white. Yes. How many NATO allied countries, a lot or a little, thought that the war that President Trump and Israel waged against Iran was illegal. Was an illegal war. Do you think that's a prevalent view? No, no, no, no, no. Because NATO has always taken the position that degrees, these capabilities of nuclear and the ballistic missiles is crucial and that Iran can never get his hands on those two capabilities. There is widespread support for that point of view. Okay, so fine. Now, what if this is a little deeper or more complex than we're just bombing people for their nuclear stuff? And I've been trying to figure out this Board of Peace that the president put together. You need a billion dollars to become a member. It's a whole bunch of real estate people, really. Everyone who likes building stuff is in there, excluding Tony Blair, but I'm sure he's in for the grad. I think it's called grad. It's the Gaza Reconstruction and Development Fund, which is, believe it or not, not managed by the World Bank. So he's probably managing that connection. And this seems to be a modern version of rubbilization. So Gaza was rubbilized. The builder guys come in, we say, you know, we're going to stop this. We're going to fix it all. Witkoff and Kushner, builders, not government employees. They are special envoys. They get to do whatever they want. Want. They set it all up. Okay? We're going to fix it for everybody. Reconstruction. Now, we didn't, you know, we helped stop the war. Now you got you rubbilized. Now we're going to help build it. And according to the Times of Israel, the, the monetary system that will work within Gaza is stablecoin. Not just stablecoin, geo fenced stablecoin. So you can only use it in Gaza. This is, this is very interesting.

John C. Dvorak (41:05)

Where'd you get this one?

Adam Curry (41:06)

Times of Israel.

John C. Dvorak (41:08)

Wow.

Adam Curry (41:08)

Yeah. And while I've been. Yeah, I've been paying attention to this. So I was listening to Chris Fisher, he does this week in Bitcoin, but just kind of like macro stuff. And if you think about Trump always saying, we should have taken their oil, we should have taken their oil. Well, this you can take their oil or you can do really the important thing is make sure that the oil is continuously traded in dollars. This keeps our petrodollar system around. And this was one of the big problems with Iran. They were trading with China and yuan and who knows what other wampum they were using. I think we've gone from 75% world currency to like 57%, which is quite a drop. You're getting near half. And that would be a real problem for the US and for Trump. He said, said it many times. And Chris had this little clip about the Iraqi oil and how that was set up after that debacle out the dollar system. One of the richest oil fields in the world is in southern Iraq. It's called Majnun, which means crazy in Arabic. But what's equally crazy is that the revenue from this oil field and others like it is controlled by the United States. America doesn't own them, it doesn't pump the crude. But more than two decades after its invasion, it retains influence over Iraq's most important, important source of income. This has real world consequences for Iraqi politics and the economy. And on how Baghdad balances domestic interests with US expectations. After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the US imposed a new financial structure on energy revenue, mandating that proceeds from oil and gas sales be paid into the Development Fund for Iraq, or dfi. The fund was based at the New York Federal Reserve Bank. So Iraqi oil revenue revenue remained outside Iraq. The DFI eventually became an account of the Central bank of Iraq. Legally, this money belongs to Iraq, but operationally it continues to pass through American financial and regulatory systems. Ah, yes, ensuring the flow of the dollar system. I think Chris is right here. This is exactly the way it was. And I'm just. This is just a thesis, so I could be wrong, but I have some more clips to back it up. I think the idea here Here is we want everybody trading in US Dollars. You'll use stablecoin. We know that just from boots on the ground, Iran was using stablecoin during the entire inflationary period they had when their money was just being devalued, they were printing like crazy. And this is the new development fund. The new development fund is you're going to use the dollar, but it's going to be the dollar controlled by the treasury, by our gay General Patton, because it's backed by US Treasuries and you're still using US Dollars. Here's Besant. I think this was in the Senate Banking Committee months ago explaining how he financially engineered the beginning of this entire problem. I never heard this clip before.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (44:16)

Speaking of something else we walked away from in the Biden administration was actually being tough on Iran when it came to sand sanctions. I appreciate the maximum pressure strategy that President Trump has gone back to. I'd like to ask you, what more can we be doing as we see us place pressure on the Ayatollah, who is no friend of the United States of America, and as we see what he is doing to the citizens of his own country and the streets, what more can we be doing to make sure that we are placing the pressure that we need to on the greatest state sponsor of terrorism, and that is the Ayatollah and Iran?

Adam Curry (44:50)

Well, what we can do at treasury and what we have do is have done is created a dollar shortage in the country. At a speech at the Economic Club of New York in March, I outlined the strategy. It came to a swift and I would say grand culmination in December when one of the largest banks in Iran went under. There was a run of the bank, the central bank had to print money. The Iranian currency went into free fall, inflation exploded, and hence we have seen the Iranian people out on the street. We will continue monitoring all the partners, all the Iranian partners. The good news, Senator, is that we have seen, and we can see it with our FinCEN. We have seen the Iranian leadership wiring money out of the country like crazy. So the rats are leaving the ship. And that is a good sign that are they, they know the end may be near. Do not underestimate the Agay, Besant. And it's very possible that Trump has been negotiating with people who aren't even in Iran if they wired all their money out. I was, I'm like, holy crap. Besant is, is a force to be reckoned with. So now about the straits. How did it actually close? They didn't blow up a ship and

John C. Dvorak (46:10)

it sank no threat make threats or to fire missiles or mine.

Adam Curry (46:15)

No, no, no. That wasn't what closed the. That wasn't what closed it.

John C. Dvorak (46:20)

What did.

Adam Curry (46:21)

This is what closed it. On March 1, 2026, the day after US and Israeli forces launched coordinated strikes on Iran, something happened that received almost no coverage. In the first 24 hours of the conflict, seven insurance companies filed paperwork.

John C. Dvorak (46:35)

Oh, no, no, that. That's specious.

Adam Curry (46:42)

Well, let me finish the clip before you counter it. Seven insurance companies filed paperwork. Not missiles, not mines, not military blockades.

John C. Dvorak (46:50)

And that was covered by the way he says it wasn't. It was covered extensively when it happened.

Adam Curry (46:58)

It's only 14 seconds, John. What?

John C. Dvorak (47:00)

I'm sorry, it's just kind of an insurance deal. Yeah. Okay. Play it from the beginning. I will stop. I will not interrupt.

Adam Curry (47:09)

Seven insurance. Hold on. On March 1, 2026, the day after U.S. and Israeli forces launched coordinated strikes on Iran, something happened that received almost no coverage. In the first 24 hours of the conflict, seven insurance companies filed paperwork. Not missiles, not mines, not military blockades. Paperwork. The Strait of Hormuz has effectively been closed, not by Iran, but by shipping itself. Iran did not need to mine the waterway. It did not need to physically blockade the 21 mile passage. It did not need to sink a single vessel to halt one fifth of the world's energy supply. Now, whatever you're going to say, all I know is that the oil baron was immediately telling me, and we talked about it, he said the insurance went from, you know, something like $2 million a ship to $150 million a ship, and no one is. No one is going to go. So there may have been all kinds of other threats. Threats, but that's really why no one was going to go. They weren't going to risk it, Right?

John C. Dvorak (48:08)

Yeah. Well, you don't have insurance, you know, although I think there's some sort of lawsuit waiting to happen. You can't, out of the blue, for no good reason, jack up someone's insurance rates for the part they've already paid.

Adam Curry (48:22)

Well, who are you going to sue? Lloyds of London? Well, so just to remind us this is what President Trump did. On March 11, the DFC announced Chubb as the lead underwriter for its maritime insurance plan. DFC chief Ben Black stated the reinsurance plan would get oil, gasoline, lng, jet fuel and fertilizer through the Strait of Hormuz and flowing again. The program would ensure losses up to approximately $20 billion on a rolling basis oil price. So that. So that plan is out There now, this morning, I think it was this morning, General Petraeus pops up. Oh, that guy on, on pooper sh. And he says something very interesting. General Petraeus, you famously and rhetorically said to a journalist, tell me how this ends about the Iraq war back in 2003. Do you think this ceasefire, tenuous as it seems to be, is likely to bring the Iran war to an end in the next two weeks? Very uncertain, Anderson. In fact, I think the real question that is begged right now is whether when it is finally ending, Iran clearly will be weaker militarily, but could they actually end up in a stronger position strategically? And the situation with the Strait of Hormuz suggests that that is possible. They can use that leverage not only to get America to seek this temporary ceasefire, which I suspect will be extended for a period of time the negotiations can't conclude, conclude with the parties as far apart as they are. You know, the fifth. Compare the 15 point plan we put forward and the 10 point plan put forward by Iran. And there are numerous items on the Iranian plan that there's just no way we can accept. Removal of all US Forces, right to enrich, right to control the Strait of Hormuz. And apparently they're even going to charge in cryptocurrency to navigate the strait. I mean, they want to turn this into their Panama Canal. Yes. Now when he says cryptocurrency, that's because he's, he's a doofus. And I don't think it's bitcoin. I wish it was.

John C. Dvorak (50:28)

I don't think it's stablecoin, exactly.

Adam Curry (50:30)

Just a reminder from the last show we heard, we had this.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (50:32)

Iran has developed a plan to charge a toll to oil tankers passing through the Strait of Hormuz of approximately US$1 per barrel, with payments to be made in Chinese yuan or stable coins.

Adam Curry (50:43)

So just to wrap this up, up, we've got the Board of Peace, we got semi, we got war, semi rebelization. We're going to help you all. We're going to work it out for you. You're going to do your stablecoin. Who are the biggest stablecoin people in the business? The bombshell report in the Wall Street Journal describing an unparalleled deal with a foreign leader directly benefiting the President and his children to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. Hi, Donald John Trump. Just days before Trump's second inauguration, the Journal reported reports 49%, nearly half of the Trump family crypto company World Liberty Financial was purchased for $500 million by Sheikh Tanun bin Zayed Al Nahyan, who heads the United Arab Emirates State Investment Fund and serves as National Security Advisor, sometimes referred to as the Spy Sheikh, the deal confirmed in a statement from World Liberty Financial to ABC News. An unlike any business transaction connected to a sitting president before sparking a firestorm of conflict of interest concerns the Journal reporting the Trump family earned an upfront payment of an estimated $187 million in the deal, with another 31 million reportedly going to the family of Trump's Middle east envoy, Steve Witkoff, also involved in the crypto company. Months later, the Trump administration approved something the Sheikh and others in the UAE long coveted. The sale of hundreds of thousands of cutting edge American artificial intelligence chips to that country. A move the previous administration blocked, where the state of the art technology could be sold or smuggled to China. Every chip. So the way I see it, the Trump brothers set up USD1, which is their stable coin. They sold out. They sold out already because, you know, we'll take that half. We'll take the half. A billion dollars, that's fine. Maybe they have something on the back end. Witkoff is in the deal, obviously. Kushner's in the deal somewhere. I guarantee you they will be spotless and clean as a whistle because Trump is not stupid. So there'll be. I'm sure they'll have figured that out. Who is the other guy in the stablecoin business? Lutnick? Cantor Fitzgerald is the biggest clearinghouse for USDT Tether. This is what this Board of Peace is going to do. And no one has any real information on this thing, but I think that's, that's the, that's the play here. And maybe when Europe gets their act together, Trump will do it for Ukraine. And then what is there left to do? Then we got midterms and he can go sit around and get 25th amendmented and impeached.

John C. Dvorak (53:19)

Definitely, definitely, definitely.

Adam Curry (53:22)

So that's what I think is happening here.

John C. Dvorak (53:26)

That's reasonable.

Adam Curry (53:27)

Thank. Wow. A reasonable from you is. I'll take it. I'll take that.

John C. Dvorak (53:32)

Good. As Megyn Kelly's interpretation of reality.

Adam Curry (53:37)

A little better than Megyn Kelly. Come on, give me a break. I didn't drop one F bomb.

John C. Dvorak (53:43)

Yes. Congratulations. All right, anything else? We get what else we got from this? So let's see.

Adam Curry (53:49)

Well, from this, I don't have much left on this.

John C. Dvorak (53:51)

I may have one clip. Well, let's do the Lebanon update so we catch up with that bullcrap.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (53:58)

Meanwhile, Israel says it's observing the truce with Iran. But says it does not apply to

Adam Curry (54:03)

Hezbollah militants in Lebanon.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (54:05)

Israel's military said today it carried out airstrikes on more than 100 targets in Lebanon in about 10 minutes. NPR's Lorne Frayer is in Beirut.

Adam Curry (54:14)

Lebanon's health minister says hundreds are dead and injured.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (54:18)

The Red Cross says a hundred ambulances are out in Beirut alone trying to rescue people. Hospitals are asking for blood donations. Israel issued fresh evacuation orders for areas in Beirut's southern suburbs this morning, but not for areas. Areas in central Beirut where I am.

Adam Curry (54:35)

A posh area along Beirut's Cornish waterfront

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (54:38)

was struck, which, you know, has not been a target before. That blast hit near the residence of the speaker of Lebanon's parliament.

Adam Curry (54:45)

There's a posh area still in Lebanon.

John C. Dvorak (54:48)

Yeah, I'm sure there is.

Adam Curry (54:50)

I thought the whole place was in ruins for years. This has been a whole. No, no, I thought it was bad.

John C. Dvorak (54:58)

They had an overview. You shot on one of the networks is quite built up.

Adam Curry (55:05)

Well, yeah. Well, you know, I'm still hoping that Trump can get really mad at Israel to stop all the Bibi, Netanyahu made him do it nonsense.

John C. Dvorak (55:14)

So, yes, I wish something would come of that.

Adam Curry (55:17)

I think the Lebanon thing will be it and he's going to tell him to stop it. You know, it's already like, well, it was a misunderstanding, miscommunication. But, you know, Netanyahu's. I think, I think I have a. I think I have a clip of him, maybe not. I thought I had a clip of him saying, you know, we got our finger on the trigger, we're good to go over here. Well, where is it? Where is it? Where is it? I guess. Oh, here it is. Yeah, this is it. And Israel is stronger than ever. This is the bottom line line of this campaign up until now. Let me say there are still additional objectives for us to achieve and we will achieve them either by agreement or by resumption of the fighting. We, and we are ready to resume the fighting at any moment. Our finger is on the trigger. As you know, two weeks ceasefire has been announced between the union, US and Iran. No, we were not surprised in the last moment. And I want to emphasize this is not the end of the war. This is a step in order to achieve all the objectives. There you go. All the objectives.

John C. Dvorak (56:35)

Well, yeah, one last clip then. That guy's nuts.

Adam Curry (56:40)

Yes, yes, he is. And he's. He's going to overstep his boundaries. Yes. Yeah, yeah, we're tired of this.

John C. Dvorak (56:47)

The ceasefire details, both. This is. Could have been part of the three by three. This is NBC trying to, you know, stir things up.

Adam Curry (56:56)

Courtney, do we know yet if the ceasefire has already begun?

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (56:59)

Tom, we just received confirmation that the US Military has ordered all offensive operations in Iran to cease effective immediately. That according to two U.S. officials. Now this as President Trump has announced and posted on social media that the ceasefire is still subject to Iran agreeing to a complete and immediate opening of the Strait of Hormuz. But Iran put out a statement that they see the agreement as including the controlled passage through the Strait of Hormuz, coordinated with the Iranian armed forces and granting Iran a unique economic position. Remember, in the past few weeks, Iran has charged tolls to ships who are looking for a safe passage through that critical waterway in the strait. So it's not clear if Iran intended intends to continue that practice. President Trump also saying the US has met or exceeded their military objectives in Iran. And while the US has conducted strikes on more than 13,000 targets in Iran during this five week war, Iran has proven they can still target allies in the region every single day, including striking civilian infrastructure and military targets. Right now, roughly half of Iran ballistic missile launchers are still intact and thousands of one way attack drones remain remain in its arsenal, according to a US Official and a person briefed on the matter. In fact, multiple Iranian missile stockpiles buried deep underground are still intact. And Iran was able to shoot down a US F15 fighter jet last week and inflict damage on multiple other US Military aircraft during the search and rescue operations. In the case of the F15, they used a heat seeking shoulder fire missile, proving that one person with a relatively simple weapon can wreak havoc on the US Military military there for days. Also proving Iran's military has been damaged, but they are not destroyed.

Adam Curry (58:40)

These people, they would just like to have American soldiers be killed so they can say Trump's an idiot. Yeah, that's all that they're angling for.

John C. Dvorak (58:50)

Yeah, it's, that's what they do.

Adam Curry (58:53)

Disturbing.

John C. Dvorak (58:56)

Yeah, a little bit.

Adam Curry (58:57)

It's a little disturbing. So I, you know, in March, when you are sleeping, Sleeping Beauty, I think it literally, I think you literally were sleeping when this Dolores Huerta thing came down.

John C. Dvorak (59:14)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (59:15)

And Mimi brought it up when she was doing the show and I was trying to figure it out. What is this about now? Do you have any ideas on.

John C. Dvorak (59:27)

No, no. Why don't you tell me what you think?

Adam Curry (59:30)

Well, I think this might have been four, possibly five ops running at the same time. And they all seems unlikely. Well, it all comes down to one date, March 18, when the whole Bunch of things happen at the same time. And I'm pretty sure Stephen Miller had a hand in this because the.

John C. Dvorak (59:51)

Yeah, but interesting you mentioned his name. There's a guy who's laying low.

Adam Curry (59:58)

That's what he's a. Creepy.

John C. Dvorak (60:00)

Not to mention it.

Adam Curry (60:01)

Creepy.

John C. Dvorak (60:01)

He's on everything. He's on Tucker. Well, not with Tucker. I'm sorry. He's on all the Fox shows. He's here, he's there. He hasn't been on since this thing began.

Adam Curry (60:11)

I think he's too busy. He's got a war room with. With yarn, Red yarn. He's connecting things. And I'm pretty sure that he's the one that coordinated the pop of this story, because it was the New York Times who wrote the big story about this, these rape allegations. And this story's been around for decades. It's not like no one knew about it. It just was something that really wasn't discussed. And then all of a sudden, this pops to the forefront. Just a reminder, here's ABC News now speaking with us in an ABC News Network exclusive. Dolores Huerta says, as an adult, she was sexually assaulted by Chavez.

John C. Dvorak (60:53)

It's devastating.

Adam Curry (60:54)

It pains me to have to ask you this, but did Cesar Chavez rape you? One could. How shall I put it? You can name it what you name it, whatever, you know. But I think when you are forced into a situation of unwanted sex or whatever, that I think you could, you

John C. Dvorak (61:19)

know, in other words. No.

Adam Curry (61:22)

Yeah, I'm with you on that now. You can't say, you know, if someone says, I was raped, all right, then you got to believe all women. But she's like. Well, if you'd call it so. She had two kids by Chavez.

John C. Dvorak (61:34)

Yeah. And two by his brother. And two by his brother.

Adam Curry (61:36)

Yeah. So. And now she's 95, and all of a sudden, she comes out of the woodwork. This story comes out. And here's another little snippet from that ABC interview. And you didn't tell anyone? Why not? Not? You know, I've spent my entire life organizing for farm workers. Okay. I didn't want to do anything. And I knew Cesar was probably the only person that I had ever met that could really do the job to organize workers. So the damage of speaking up would be too. Too much. It would hurt the movement too much. Oh, absolutely. Can you imagine? I mean, the movement was built by hundreds of officers, volunteers that came in and even, you know, convincing the farm workers themselves that they had the power to build their own organization.

John C. Dvorak (62:22)

It was very, very hard.

Adam Curry (62:23)

So she's talking about the movement. Well, the movement was the United Farm Workers.

John C. Dvorak (62:28)

Right?

Adam Curry (62:29)

The union. So all this deplatforming takes place. People are, you know, painting over murals, renaming roads.

John C. Dvorak (62:39)

They've gone nuts.

Adam Curry (62:40)

Here's Newsom. California Governor Gavin News Newsom weighing in, saying the farm workers movement and a labor movement are much bigger than one man. His wife, Jennifer Siebel Newsom and I stand with the courageous women like Dolores Huerta, who have stepped forward after decades of concealing pain and abuse. We are for justice. We are for truth. We are for transparency. And we will have the backs of these survivors. The California governor says survivors. So first I think thought, okay, this is like for the midterm, some Democrat thing. Somehow there's something to try and cover up. But then Abbott comes out again. A live look at the Phoenix area as we're also hearing from Texas Governor Greg Abbott as well, saying the state of Texas will not observe the Caesar Chavez Day holiday. I am directing all Texas state agency heads to comply. In the upcoming legislative session, I will work with Texas lawmakers to remove Caesar Chavez Day from state law altogether. Reports of the horrific and widely acknowledged sexual assault allegations. What's that?

John C. Dvorak (63:46)

Why widely acknowledged?

Adam Curry (63:49)

Well, at this point, it's in the New York Times. Everybody's talking about it, so there's a reason.

John C. Dvorak (63:54)

Widely talked about then.

Adam Curry (63:55)

Okay, yeah. Reports of the horrific and widely acknowledged sexual assault allegations against Chavez rightfully dismantle the myth of this progressive hero and undermine the new narrative that elevated Chavez as a figure worthy of official state celebration. So it's no longer. It's Farmer's Day. I think is Farm Workers Day. We've changed it. Well, there's a reason for this. One more of these. This is the mayor of Los Angeles, Karen Bass. This is a difficult day. The last 48 hours have been very painful. Very difficult. Sister Chavez, I had the honor of meeting once, and I thought it was the opportunity of a lifetime. When I think about the leadership and what I heard, the painful news from sister that I admire so much. Dolores Huerta. My heart broke for what she went through. The fight of the farm workers. Their struggle in the. Their victories inspired all of us. Now the city of LA is joining

John C. Dvorak (65:03)

United Farm Workers and the Cesar Chavez

Adam Curry (65:07)

foundation in deciding not to celebrate cesar Chavez Day, March 31. So now. Now the monkey comes out of the sleeve. It's about the ufw, the United Farm Workers. Okay. On the same day we have the.

John C. Dvorak (65:23)

The monkey comes out of the sleeve.

Adam Curry (65:25)

That's. That's a Dutchism. I don't know why they say it. The monkey comes out of the sleeve. It's like a big reveal. So there's the ufw. That's. It's about ufw. This is the same week, I think, exactly the Same day around March 18, Kristi Noem gets dismissed. Kristi Noem has to go because we've got to make a pivot away from the horrible raids and the killing and, you know, just bad, bad, bad, bad. And Trump went, yeah, we should pull back on that. You know, let's pull back a little bit. Remember?

John C. Dvorak (66:03)

No, I don't. What?

Adam Curry (66:05)

No, you. You. You're in the hospital.

John C. Dvorak (66:07)

I was out of it.

Adam Curry (66:08)

I'm sorry.

John C. Dvorak (66:09)

I was on my.

Adam Curry (66:11)

You're on your deathbed. Mimi. Mimi was taken over. It was. Yeah. Trump went, yeah, we should pull back. And we're gonna. We're gonna ease up on Minneapolis. And then all of a sudden.

John C. Dvorak (66:26)

Right, yeah, yeah, I remember that part.

Adam Curry (66:28)

Yeah. This is all the same time fr. Get the new guy, Mullen. And here's part of his confirmation hearing. After DHS officers shot and killed two American citizens this past January, you joined top administrative officials in publicly blaming and disparaging the victims. Following the killing of Renee Good, Secretary Noem called her a domestic terrorist. You, sir, you called Alex Preddy, quote, a deranged individual that killed. Came in to cause max damage. Could we expect those kinds of quick responses? If you are confirmed as secretary, would you be basically. Well, you. You did. You responded as Secretary Noem. Are we going to just expect that same behavior all over again? No. Senator, I have a deep amount of respect for you. We've had our differences, but I do respect you. I think I said this privately when we had a conversation. I love how these. They've already discussed this behind closed doors. And then. All right, here's what I'm going to ask you. I'm going to tell you my. And he said, look, I already told you I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say that. And so I'm going to ask it to you again in front of the cameras. But I do respect you. I think I said this privately when we had a conversation. Those words probably should have been retracted. I shouldn't have said that. And, Secretary, I wouldn't. The investigation is ongoing, and there is, like I said, there's sometimes going to make mistake, and I own it. That one. I went out there too fast. I was responding immediately without the facts.

John C. Dvorak (67:54)

That's.

Adam Curry (67:55)

I. What? That's my fault. That won't happen. As secretary, so You. You regret that statement. I already said that. Yes, sir. Would you want to apologize to the family of Alex Predding? Well, sir, I just said I regret those statements. Is that the same as an apology? I haven't seen the investigation. We'll let the investigation go through. And if I'm proven wrong, then I will absolutely. Ah, good answer. Good answer. So, Mullen, that was.

John C. Dvorak (68:17)

Not bad. Not bad.

Adam Curry (68:18)

Okay, so now comes a critical little thing that Mullen slips in here when Blumenthal's interviewing him for the job. The result of a memory memo last May from the acting director, Todd Lyons, and it's behind me now, that instructed ICE agents to break into homes. I understand that during your staff interview last week, you said that there would be no more such break ins to people's homes without a judicial warrant. If confirmed. Will you commit to me and the chair and member, ranking member of this committee and the American people, that ICE will no longer instruct agents to break into people's homes without a judicial warrant? Sir, you're using the word break into people's houses very loosely. However, I have made it very clear to the staff, and I think when you and I spoke, that a judicial warrant will be used to go into houses and to place the businesses unless we're pursuing someone that enters in that place. Place. I have. I have not mixed words with that, and I haven't changed my opinion about. Very tricky here. He says place of business. What's a place of business? Farms are a place of business. Here is. Here is our Agriculture Secretary Rollins, being asked about ICE raids on farms. I support your answer. Dangerous people shouldn't be here. And if they're here, they should be gone. Period. It. But when we're talking massive deportation, we're gone beyond dangerous criminals. And I just wonder if we ought to give fair warning to farmers and ranchers across America that if you have immigrant labor, you can expect federal agents to come and search your property. Is that in the future for farmers and ranchers under the mass deportation plan?

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (70:08)

Sir, I have not been involved in that. The President's current plan. I cannot answer that one way or the other.

Adam Curry (70:16)

Yeah, she knows exactly what's going on. But this. This is the point. Raids on farms. So what do we do with all these workers who are working on farms illegally in California and Texas? That's why Abbott is all for this gambit as well. Do we just legalize them? Is that something we can do? Senator Grassley, Mr. Sequeira, I want to briefly discuss policy issues and implications surrounding

John C. Dvorak (70:43)

undocumented Immigration and amnesty.

Adam Curry (70:46)

First, does providing a mass legalization program for undocumented immigrant farm workers actually address the problems of shortages in the agricultural labor? And does such a program do anything to break the cycle of agricultural dependence on undocumented labor? All right, go to the mic, please. Press the button and cock.

John C. Dvorak (71:12)

I'm sorry. Thank you, Senator. I think the easy answer to your question is no.

Adam Curry (71:17)

The data shows us that providing legalization, and there may be perfectly valid policy reasons to do so, but the data shows that that does not solve the workforce labor shortage. All of those workers, or nearly all of them who would receive legal status are already employed. Providing them legal status again may have some benefits. Benefits, but it doesn't create any more workers to fill any of the openings. So that won't work. At some point, they even brought up the idea, well, those, those Medicaid people, they can go and pick some berries and stuff. And now we know that won't work. No, this is about the revamping of the H2A visa program. And this is why we had to go through this whole Cesar Chavez deplatforming, because there's a lawsuit. But first, this is Trump getting ready. Announcing the the pivot.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (72:12)

The Trump administration rolling out a new program to fast track H2A visas for migrants, which is aimed at helping farmers and business owners fill temporary jobs with legal workers.

Adam Curry (72:26)

And our very own Edward Lawrence has the exclusive scoop. Edward?

John C. Dvorak (72:31)

Yeah, David and Dagan.

Adam Curry (72:32)

Now, the H2A visa program is going to be consolidated now under the Labor Department. And this Office of Immigration Policy has now stood up, up and running. It's meant to streamline the process so employers will know and have the seasonal help that they need. What does this program do and how could it help farmers, ranchers, and hotel operators?

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (72:54)

Well, the program is already in play. It's not an amnesty program. And it's hotel program.

Adam Curry (72:59)

Oh, yeah, the 2ha is for tourism, too. It's not just for farmers. It's for people cleaning the rooms, running the hotels. Trump has a few. What does this program do and how could it help farmers, ranchers, and hotel operators?

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (73:15)

Well, the program is already in play. It's not an amnesty program, and it's not even a new program. It's just going to be better, faster, and more affordable.

John C. Dvorak (73:22)

It's a new version of the Braceros.

Adam Curry (73:25)

Stand by.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (73:26)

Probably the second thing that it does

Adam Curry (73:27)

better than that is kind of bring

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (73:29)

it under the Department of the Labor's auspice, because right now it's Labor, Homeland, and State who has to do all

Adam Curry (73:36)

the touch points, as she says farmers she spoke with were concerned about the process was just taking too long.

John C. Dvorak (73:43)

So as the Trump administration focuses on

Adam Curry (73:45)

removing people here illegally, businesses that feed Americans and help the travel industry, well, they could continue. Do you think the farmers, ranchers and hotel operators will have the workers they need then?

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (73:57)

I think the question, the better question is, will they have them when they want them, when they need them, during the seasons. They talk about seasonal. When you're talking a season. For some of these ranchers and farmers and producers or fishermen or shrimpers that I was visiting with Louisiana, the window is a very finite amount of time, and they want to make sure that the system works.

Adam Curry (74:18)

And she eventually sees a dashboard that will be able to show employers where their application is, when the application is finished and exactly how much the application has cost. Those things don't happen right now. Okay, so Fox Business misses the whole point. Luckily, the president himself explains exactly how it's going to work. If you're an illegal farm worker right now, you will be able to, you don't have to leave. You're going to stay. You will be converted to an H2A farm worker under one condition. We're going to do something that we're going to sort of put the farmers in charge. And if somebody, if a, if a farmer has been with one of these people that work so hard, they bend over all day, we don't have too

John C. Dvorak (75:02)

many people can do that.

Adam Curry (75:03)

But they work very hard and they know them very well. And some of the farmers are literally,

John C. Dvorak (75:08)

you know, they cry when they see this happen.

Adam Curry (75:11)

If a farmer is willing to vouch for these people, people in some way,

John C. Dvorak (75:15)

Christi, I think we're going to have

Adam Curry (75:16)

to just say, that's going to be good. Right? You know, we're going to be, we're going to be good with it because we don't want to do it where we take all of the workers off the farms. We want the farms to do great, like they're doing right now. This is, this is the genius of Trump. He has figured out a way to endear all of the farming states to what he's going to do, empower all of these idiot Republican congressmen and senators in the midterms to say, see, we did something for you. But what did he do? Do on March 18 when we had this whole pivot and Kristi Noem goes out and Mullins comes in with his soft shirt. Whoa. You know, yeah, we're not going to invade places of business. The administration is suing the United Farm Workers over their wages because during COVID they were, they, this was, oh, these are essential personnel. The wages went so high that the farmers couldn't really afford to get H2A workers. So they continued with the illegals. And so the Trump gambit here is they're suing the ufw. And of course, you don't hear anything about this lawsuit because we were all too busy looking at Cesar Chavez being a rapist. That's why they had to start making a whole bunch of noise about him. Whatever you do, don't look at what's going on over here because UFP w it's farmwork. It's a union, they're strong. So instead of just saying it's too high, the rent's too high, they came up with a different methodology and using different data to determine what the actual wages should be. Because you're not really essential if you're picking grapes. Here's a clip about these changes. We've been keeping you updated on this. The Labor Department releasing an interim final rule which revises the way in which the adverse effect wage rate is calculated for the H2A guest worker program, the United Farm Workers. They're against the changes, saying the way that wages will be calculated will cut those wages of all farm workers across the U.S. it says the move will cut income for farm workers by a third. Chris Schulte is a partner at Fisher Phillips law firm and follows this H2A issue issue really closely. All right, Kris, walk us through what this new interim rule could mean for growers, farmers and ranchers out there. Happy to. It's actually good news. So that's, that's rare. So they're using a different data set and they're making adjustments based on skill level that not all jobs are kind of the most experienced jobs. There are a number of people that need folks on an entry level position. So this will lower wages in a lot of states by four or five dollars an hour or one of the other big changes in there is that in recognition of H2A employers having to provide free housing and other current other costs to participate in the program, it didn't make sense to pay them the exact same wage as what a US Worker would get who would then take that money and then have to pay rent on their own. So they've made adjustments to that. So each state will have what they're calling an adverse compensation adjustment applied to it that will lower the wage level for H2A workers by an additional somewhere between a dollar to $3 state by state, the estimate from the department is that this will save farm employers $24 billion over the next 10 years. I'm so excited about that. And there it is. There it is. That's why Abbott's excited. He's like, oh, yeah, this is great. Because the farmers are under distress and Trump has promised them a lot and they're not very happy with them. So this is the final clip. Not only does the wage go down by $7 an hour, they also don't have to because that's in the current contract. They have to give them housing no more. Listen, you can pay into taxes. You will not get Social Security, you will not get Medicaid or Medicare. You get to hang out here. You get to work legally, so no raids. And you can go back home and take the money or send it back if you want through stablecoin, preferably. And it will make food cheaper in America. Chris, talk about this, as someone who deals with this all of the time and have been following this issue really closely, how does this help kind of add or change the acceptance or the use of this program? Or could it impact. Could the number one complaint that had always been made about the program was this just too expensive and this was driving wage inflation that we worked with an economist recently who looked at this and found that it was actually the tail was wagging the dog that kind of the increases that the department was putting on H2A wages were actually pulling at the wages of US workers and not the other way around where we're just trying to keep up with US Wages to make sure that nobody's being hurt by it. So by doing this, that hopefully will help address issues of inflation at the supermarket, obviously wage costs for farms, but just sort of generally helping keep farming in the United States. We're importing more food than we're exporting at this point. And so and more than half of the food that's in the super supermarkets is being imported. So this will help kind of keep the work here and keep American farms going. Yeah, solves everything. But we had to get rid of Kristi Noem. We had to make the pivot, we had to change everything. And this also goes for hotel workers. So.

John C. Dvorak (80:47)

Yeah. Well, that was actually quite good on your part.

Adam Curry (80:50)

Thank you.

John C. Dvorak (80:51)

Let me review. You started at noon. This is a 30 minute shaggy dog story, which I've always objected to, but this one was quite education. And I thought you, you rounded it out, I have to assume, even though I didn't listen to it, but I have to Assume you workshop this on Jimmy's show. I did not have.

Adam Curry (81:09)

I did not, I did not workshop this.

John C. Dvorak (81:10)

So normally, normally you do these and I, I start to bitch about them. And it's 20 minute mark. And this one you actually pulled off.

Adam Curry (81:19)

Thank you.

John C. Dvorak (81:19)

For the first time ever, a 30 minute shaggy dog story to make a point starting. Although I'll give you the only mistake you made.

Adam Curry (81:28)

Oh, I made one?

John C. Dvorak (81:29)

Yeah. It was at the very beginning you, you awkwardly introduced the topic. You did. The transition from the war to that woman was not smooth.

Adam Curry (81:40)

Okay, I'll work on that.

John C. Dvorak (81:42)

But that, but, but then you did the whole thing without it could have maybe taken one clip out, but I, I'll give you 10 points for that. That's actually. Well, thank you. Not only that, but this is just. The only thing you didn't do is say this is another example, example of the Republicans being true to them, them old, old selves and being the exploitative people that want. The Republicans always wanted immigration, so they get labor.

Adam Curry (82:09)

Labor, yes, cheap labor.

John C. Dvorak (82:11)

And this is a good example. And no one's giving Trump credit for this. On the Republicans, Trump doesn't get credit for anything.

Adam Curry (82:17)

No, no, no. Doesn't.

John C. Dvorak (82:19)

He's like a traditional Republican in this regard. Nothing. He's a, you know, you know, he goes libertarian. Nothing. The guy's, the guy's just not good. So you're never gonna thank him or anything.

Adam Curry (82:33)

Thank you for the note. The note is appreciated. Is this what you call? You call it in show business? You call. I have a note for you on the, on that segment. I have a note.

John C. Dvorak (82:41)

It was a note.

Adam Curry (82:42)

It was a note. It's a good note. Valid note.

John C. Dvorak (82:44)

I appreciate it took a big chunk of the show, but it was well done for the first time ever.

Adam Curry (82:50)

No offense, I did not workshop this anywhere.

John C. Dvorak (82:55)

I thought you might have, but maybe it was better you didn't.

Adam Curry (82:59)

No, no. But I did work on it quite extensively.

John C. Dvorak (83:03)

I think it was pretty funny. The way you did was well done. Well done.

Adam Curry (83:09)

Thank you. Shall we just take a little fun? Little break, a little trip down memory lane for a moment? It's real short. It's real short. All aboard trains good. Plane's bad.

John C. Dvorak (83:24)

Harp on trains in California.

Adam Curry (83:27)

Yeah, you bet.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (83:28)

The estimated cost of California's high speed rail project is going up once again

Adam Curry (83:33)

in a 60 Minutes report on CBS News. Officials now believe the rail line between Los Angeles and San Francisco could eventually cost about $126 billion. That's more than triple the original $33 billion price approved by 33 in 2008. Officials say the earliest projected opening is now 2033. As funding gaps and delays threaten its future. Last year, the Trump administration pulled $4 million in federal funding for the project. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy called it a, quote, ridiculous train to nowhere. The state legislature is expected to hold hearings to investigate the project's cost and delays. And if you don't mind, that will take us back to no agenda. Episode 235. We were in the triple digits in 2010.

John C. Dvorak (84:23)

35.

Adam Curry (84:24)

Let's go back. Let's go back. Japan is readying loans for California's high speed rail, which now, by the way, the press is no longer talking about several billion. No, now it's $46 billion.

John C. Dvorak (84:38)

Well, wait a minute. How did it go up?

Adam Curry (84:39)

I don't know. It's magic. It's just.

John C. Dvorak (84:41)

Why does that happen?

Adam Curry (84:42)

I don't know. It's magic. It was, it was. First it was 8 billion and now they're talking about the cost to be 46 billion. There you go. And if you'll recall, I got kicked out of my home in San Francisco under eminent domain because the train supposedly was going to bring so many people in they had to make the train station bigger where my dwelling was at the time.

John C. Dvorak (85:10)

I forgot about that. You're right. You were a victim.

Adam Curry (85:14)

I still feel victimized.

John C. Dvorak (85:17)

Yes.

Adam Curry (85:18)

I was an absolute victim. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (85:20)

They were bringing in underground stuff, so. Because the high speed rail was going to go right there where you were. Yeah, we're still waiting.

Adam Curry (85:27)

And how, how's that station? Isn't it just a bunch of homeless people there now?

John C. Dvorak (85:31)

Yeah, yeah, of course. Tents.

Adam Curry (85:33)

Tents.

John C. Dvorak (85:34)

Wow.

Adam Curry (85:35)

They turned a perfectly beautiful apartment building where I think it had four or six apartments into. Into favela us. That's perfect. Well done, San Francisco. Well done, California. Well done.

John C. Dvorak (85:49)

Oh, it's laughable.

Adam Curry (85:50)

And these Californians, you know, you really are a bunch of a holes. Yeah, yeah. Let me see. There was a clip I had. Well, here it is. Let me see. I thought, oh, here it is. Yes, a holes or. It shows that California is the worst tipping state in America. Come on, guys. According to data collected by tech platform Toast, California diners leave an average of just 17.2%. A 20% tip is generally considered standard for good service. Now on the side, Delaware, it tops the list with residents tipping more than 21%. Other low tipping states include Florida and Washington, Both tipping below 18% on average. For me it's 20%. Used to be a bus boy. 20%. And I tip on Tax. Oh, well, you're a big boy there.

John C. Dvorak (86:48)

Oh, big shot. When I was a kid, the tips were 15% max.

Adam Curry (86:53)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (86:53)

And then the worst part, you weren't supposed to tip on the, on the, on the, on the liquor, but okay.

Adam Curry (86:59)

Oh, really? So you would, you would calculate if

John C. Dvorak (87:01)

you buy a hundred dollar bottle of wine. What, what. Why is the tip gonna go up?

Adam Curry (87:05)

Well, these days you, you buy a battery and they want. And they swivel the thing around and say, could you answer the question, please? What question? Oh, how much tip I want to give for buying a battery? Yeah, yeah, whatever. It's, it's, it's not nice. It's just, it's just really not nice. I don't like it. I don't like how the way they do that. It's not good.

John C. Dvorak (87:29)

So I got a couple of AI clips worth.

Adam Curry (87:32)

Okay, good pursuing.

John C. Dvorak (87:33)

Let's talk about, you know, it's got, it's ruining the legal profession because everyone, everyone is using it. And so the judges have to go through this. Of this. These cases don't exist. These things weren't said.

Adam Curry (87:47)

Oh, yeah, it's out of control. Case law that never was case law as good.

John C. Dvorak (87:52)

And by the way, what's his name, that Dylan guy? The Frank Sinatra's son who's a reporter. Mia Farrow's kid. As a writer.

Adam Curry (88:02)

Oh, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (88:03)

Did you know he's released a. He did a. A piece just coming out. I haven't read it. I don't have any clue. I. I've seen him talking about it. About how the guy who runs Chad GPT is a pathological liar and he's documented it. Surprise to an extreme.

Adam Curry (88:23)

Surprise, surprise.

John C. Dvorak (88:25)

Yeah. Surprise, surprise. Silicon Valley guy. Pathological liar. Okay, this is a legal hallucination.

Adam Curry (88:33)

Lawyers are increasingly using artificial intelligence to help them do their jobs. Some are using AI to write legal briefs, which is awkward when the AI makes up the law. NPR's Martin Costi reports. Before we get into that, I'd like to ask you about your brief. If you're a lawyer, this is the nightmare. You're in court in this case, a session of the Nebraska Supreme Court back in February, and the justices are grilling you about a brief you filed. A brief brief with fictitious quotes and citations. Can you explain to us how that occurred? Absolutely, you, Honor. I was in. I was on my 10th wedding anniversary. While flying down there, my computer broke. That's Omaha lawyer Greg Lake telling the court he mistakenly uploaded an unfinished draft. The justices were not convinced.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (89:25)

The elephant in the room is whether or Not. You used artificial intelligence, did you?

Adam Curry (89:30)

No, I did not. With respect, if you didn't use artificial intelligence, how do we end up with a citation to cases that don't exist? The court referred Lake for discipline. He didn't respond to NPR's request for comment. But his case is hardly unique. Damien Charlatine is a legal scholar in Paris who keeps a running worldwide tally of these incidents on a website he calls AI hallucination cases. Recently, we had 10 cases from 10 different courts on a single day. You know, the. I. I'm pretty sure that you as a law firm could set up an AI system that would not do this, but people who just rely on, you know, Claude or ChatGPT or anything and just say, you know, give me some cases about this. This stuff makes up crap all the time, you know?

John C. Dvorak (90:33)

And this brings me back to Sam Altman being a pathological liar. I remember back in the.

Adam Curry (90:41)

When I first started writing about technology in their DNA. That's it.

John C. Dvorak (90:44)

When I first started writing about technology back in the 70s.

Adam Curry (90:49)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (90:50)

But in the 80s, I was full tilt. Every once in a while you run into some pundit, some guy, some very knowledgeable CEO or other writers

Adam Curry (91:03)

who would

John C. Dvorak (91:03)

use this, or they'll promote the idea that corporations are reflections of the guy at the top.

Adam Curry (91:13)

Oh, I think that's.

John C. Dvorak (91:15)

Yeah, the two of us both agree with that.

Adam Curry (91:18)

Yeah, very valid.

John C. Dvorak (91:19)

So if you have a pathological liar at the top, the product is which. A product which is going to provide information is going to lie to you.

Adam Curry (91:32)

Yes. Well, aren't most Silicon Valley leaders liars in one way or the other.

John C. Dvorak (91:38)

Not. Not necessarily pathological. There's a. There's a certain type of liar you run into. Yeah. Which I'm always wary of. Who just make shit up constantly.

Adam Curry (91:49)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (91:50)

They take credit for stuff they didn't do.

Adam Curry (91:52)

You give us an example.

John C. Dvorak (91:54)

I could. I could probably give you some examples, but let's get through these first.

Adam Curry (91:58)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (91:59)

This is AI2.

Adam Curry (92:02)

He's documented more than 1200 instances of courts catching fictitious or erroneous material generated by AI, about 800 of those from the United States. It's quite a lot, but at the same time, it's maybe not that much, given that everyone in the legal profession is using AI. But even as lawyers rush to adopt AI, there is an ambivalence about it. Some see a stigma, while others, especially at big folks firms, brag about the analytical powers of their expensive new AI tools. With that ambivalence comes uncertainty about what the rules should be. Carla Whale is The director of the law library at the University of Washington Law School, where she's developing new training in AI ethics.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (92:43)

I don't think there is a consensus beyond. You have to make sure it's correct. And so for us, that is the baseline.

Adam Curry (92:52)

When lawyers get in trouble for AI, it's not because they use. Used it. That's not illegal. Rather, it's because they signed off on documents containing errors.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (93:01)

Whatever the generative AI tool gives you as look at these cases, you, under the rules of professional conduct, you have to read those cases. You have to read the cases to make sure what you are citing is accurate.

Adam Curry (93:15)

That's the baseline. But some want to go further. In recent months, some local courts have issued rules requiring lawyers to label everything that they produce with AI. The labeling rules aim to highlight. Highlight which briefs to double check and to maintain a clear line between what's human and what's not. You know, we're talking about the legal profession here, but AI is breaking things everywhere. It's breaking everything on the Internet. I mean, it pretty much almost broke Sir Paul Couture with the Art Generator. It's breaking podcasting at least, you know, with just.

John C. Dvorak (93:54)

Oh, yeah, you talked about this before. You're getting extreme numbers of bogus podcast being foisted onto the index.

Adam Curry (94:03)

Well, when, and that's one thing, you know, if Dana Brunetti thinks there's a business in that, okay. But when you have open claw Claude bots making podcast generators and auto submitting 500 new podcasts per hour to all the indexes of slavery slop, that's a problem.

John C. Dvorak (94:27)

Well, how's that any different than a DNS attack?

Adam Curry (94:30)

It's not. It's exactly the same. It's an attack. You're right. And you know, and can you stop?

John C. Dvorak (94:37)

So don't you have to, don't you have to at some point have to put some shields up? Like.

Adam Curry (94:41)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (94:41)

Like a CIS admin will have to do a DNS attacks.

Adam Curry (94:44)

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yes. But that's a lot of work and it's a. A of hell hassle.

John C. Dvorak (94:50)

It's a work.

Adam Curry (94:51)

And, and, and I will say X, Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok, all of it. It's all bots. Everything you're seeing is fake. It's all fake and gay. All of it. And I think the Silicon Valley sees it too. It's hurting them. Like people are dropping off. Like, I'm not interested in participating. Are you still alive? Podcast are down. Oh, you okay?

John C. Dvorak (95:29)

Yeah. You said all bots.

Adam Curry (95:31)

Yeah, it's all Bots. It's all fake and gay.

John C. Dvorak (95:34)

Yeah, edit that out, whatever that was.

Adam Curry (95:37)

What?

John C. Dvorak (95:38)

I got a boing and then you were dead.

Adam Curry (95:40)

No, I'm not going to edit that out. That's real, man. We're doing it like live.

John C. Dvorak (95:45)

So what are you going to do about the 500 phony baloney entries?

Adam Curry (95:50)

I mean, so you. There's ways to stop it, but the problem is you don't necessarily know if someone's submitting a real podcast or not. So you. We don't want to make it complicated.

John C. Dvorak (96:00)

Use A.I.

Adam Curry (96:01)

well, and then we just have A.I. fighting A.I. all day. Okay, okay, where's that, where's the, where's the logic in that? Life? It's not good.

John C. Dvorak (96:12)

Everything I go to clip three.

Adam Curry (96:14)

I think that they are well intentioned and are going to get swamped as useless pretty quickly. Joe Patrice is a lawyer turned journalist for the website above the Law, where he's been writing about the spread of specialized AI legal tools. It's going to become so integrated into how everything operates that to be diligently complying with the rule, you would have to put on everything you put out. Hey, this is AI assisted. At which point it kind of becomes a useless endeavor. Patrisse says AI is undeniably useful for crunching vast amounts of evidence or digging up case law. But he's leery of the next stage of products that offer step by step scripts for reaching a specific legal goal. He says those steps may contain procedural blunders. These tools also make it harder to defend billable hours when computers are the ones doing the work. Patrie says that may ratchet up the pressure on lawyers to work faster and to accept the first thing that machine spits out. And then it's a real question. Do you slow yourself down to have that natural thinking time? Future generations who grow up in a world where this is always a reality, did they know to stop and think the problem through? That's. That's a worry. Carla Whale shares the concern about the potential erosion of future lawyers analytical skills. But she says there's no turning back.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (97:34)

I think that lawyers who understand how to, to effectively and ethically use generative AI replace lawyers who don't. That's what I think the near future is.

Adam Curry (97:47)

In the meantime, AI itself has strayed into the crosshairs of the legal profession. OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT, has just been sued. An insurance company says it was the target of frivolous claims by a woman who was getting bad legal advice from ChatGPT. The insurance company is now holding the AI company responsible. Responsible. Accusing it in part of practicing law without a license. Oh, practicing law. I think they have disclaimers already though, don't they?

John C. Dvorak (98:16)

Like, I don't know if you ask. Well, the last clip I have, which, which is again a reflection of the pathological liar, Sam Altman, assuming that he is.

Adam Curry (98:28)

And this is good.

John C. Dvorak (98:29)

Seems like it.

Adam Curry (98:30)

This is.

John C. Dvorak (98:31)

You saw this?

Adam Curry (98:31)

Yeah, I saw this. This is very good. Set it up.

John C. Dvorak (98:34)

So I want to mention, talking about example of. Of pathological liars, apparently Altman, when, in one of his endeavors, told everybody in the company was putting together that he was a world champion ping pong player. And then they, over time they put up a ping pong thing in the, in the, I guess the lounge and he. He's a terrible ping pong player. So that kind of thing goes on. I did this, I did that. You know, people, I don't know why they do it, but here we go. This is a guy talking to Chat GPT about why there's an S. And of course we know there's no S in the term chat GPT. And the. It goes into liar mode.

Adam Curry (99:26)

Chatgpt. I need to know what is the S in chatgpt stand for? Ah, good question. The S in Chat GPT doesn't actually stand for anything specific. GPT stands for generative pre trained transformer, which is the model type. The chat just refers to its conversational. All right, so basically it's a chat. Why is there an S in ChatGPT

John C. Dvorak (99:45)

in the first place?

Adam Curry (99:47)

Ah, yeah, good clarification. So the S was added when OpenAI introduced the model for conversational use. Basically it's a way to distinguish it as a version of GPT designed specifically for chatting. So it's kind of a shorthand just indicating a chat focused model. But I see it's not a separate word. So you're confirming, right, that chatgpt your. Your app name has an S in the spelling, is that correct? Exactly. Yes. The app name is spelled Chat GPT with the S included just like that. No special word behind it, just a naming choice to keep it consistent as a chat based version of GPT. Okay, can you just spell Chat GPT for me? Of course it's spelled C, H, A, T, G, P, T. No spaces, just those letters in that order.

John C. Dvorak (100:32)

Interesting.

Adam Curry (100:32)

So where was the S there? I see what you mean. So the S isn't actually part of the official spelling. Oh, official. It's just that people sometimes say it because it's a conversational model. But yeah, the official. Oh, okay. So you know what people are saying. Saying, Right, Yeah, exactly. I get it. Now, a lot of folks just casually add the S because it sounds natural when they're talking about it. But officially the name stays as Chat GPT. Okay, so how. How do people say this with an S? Yeah, so it usually just happens kind of naturally in conversation. People will say something like, I was using Chat GPT. But then they might say, chat GPT is really good at this. Or I asked Chat GPT some questions and helped a lot. So the S kind of just slips in when people are talking informally, even though it's not officially part of the name. I think the best thing about this guy is the classical piano music in the background.

John C. Dvorak (101:24)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (101:26)

You know, again, these chatbots are no good. They will just lie to you because they have no actual information. But they're all instructed to make you feel happy and good. And you're a helpful AI is the kind of the standard prompt that you don't even see that goes in. I think you can put the guardrails around it, but you got to have 150 rules. And even then it can still make stuff up. You know, if a tool fails, it's supposed to look something up. It'll just say, oh, yeah, I got that. Here's your answer. The stuff is not really great. It's just not really great.

John C. Dvorak (102:02)

And it's not great.

Adam Curry (102:04)

It's not really great. All right, before we take a break and I have a second half of show, but I'm going to move that to Sunday because it'll, it'll keep. In fact, it'd actually be a little bit better. And it's. I think it's a really good second half a show like old school. Back to the. Back to the Roots. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Back to the roots. Aliens, UFOs. Oh, yeah. What do you. What is this? What's wrong with you?

John C. Dvorak (102:29)

No, no, no, you're, you're stalling it. You should do it today.

Adam Curry (102:33)

No, because I want to get you out on time. We're almost at almost two hours. Hours. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (102:40)

We got plenty of time.

Adam Curry (102:41)

Your energy is, is flowing out.

John C. Dvorak (102:43)

No, no, yeah,

Adam Curry (102:47)

this will keep people to Sunday. They'll come back on Sunday. They'll be excited about something for once. It'll be crackpot and buzzkill in second half a show. This is a team.

John C. Dvorak (102:57)

I got a couple of clips. I want to get out of there.

Adam Curry (102:59)

Well, let me, let me finish. Let me do my, my AI Clip. I got one clip.

John C. Dvorak (103:03)

The AI.

Adam Curry (103:04)

Yeah. And, and an important, important reveal about this particular company.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (103:10)

Anthropic, an AI model too powerful for public use. Selling its latest advanced AI model, Mythos. Kate Rooney has the story for today's tech check. Kate. Hi Sarah. So this really is unprecedented. Anthropic is going to be restricting public access to start. Its newest AI model is only available to a handful of tech partners who are company says can get what they describe as a head start on any bad actors out there with nefarious plans for ramped up versions of this technology. It's going to be called Claude Mythos Preview. So Anthropic CEO Dario Amadei says that they actually trained it to be good at code, but as a side effect it's also good at cyber. It was, it is rather rolling out to 40 companies. You've got Apple, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, us called Project Glass Swing. Anthropic says the model already has autonomously found thousands of high severity vulnerabilities, including in every major operating system and web browser. They even cite some examples that were 30 years old, guys. So they also warn of certain vulnerabilities in corporate networks out there, health care systems, energy infrastructure and then state sponsored attacks from Iran and other adversaries. Cybersecurity stocks did take a hit on that initial. The initial report that we saw that this model was going to be coming out, but today it's actually the opposite. Some of its partners are getting a boost. You got Palo Alto Networks and CrowdStrike that are part of this initial rollout. JP Morgan calling out those partners as beneficiaries calls this model a significant leap forward versus prior models. Says that these cyber names are quote, essential layers in the defense stack rather than competitive targets in this effort. They describe it as AI or fighting AI with AI. The company said yesterday they have already spoken to officials across the US government. They've offered to collaborate. But it does come at an extremely tense time for Anthropic, locked in this legal battle with the Pentagon over its designation as a supply chain risk by the Pentagon guys.

Adam Curry (105:04)

So Anthropic has problems, different problems than open AI with the pathological liar. Allegedly.

John C. Dvorak (105:14)

Allegedly.

Adam Curry (105:14)

Allegedly. Because last thing we need is Sam Altman not buying us but suing us because let's be honest, we'd love to be bought for 100 low hundreds of millions of dollars. People are mad at me. Oh no. You made me go listen to that show. It sucks.

John C. Dvorak (105:27)

What show?

Adam Curry (105:28)

The one that they bought. He bought the podcast, remember? Oh yeah, the TVPN podcast.

John C. Dvorak (105:34)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (105:34)

So their problem and the reason why they don't want to be, you know, they don't want to work for the Pentagon. And oh, we can't give you this model because, you know, AI fighting AI. Here is the effective altruism roots of. Of Anthropic. We remember effective altruism.

John C. Dvorak (105:55)

Oh yeah. Supposed do gooders. And by the way, have you listened to the CEO of Anthropic?

Adam Curry (106:02)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (106:03)

This guy's not presentable.

Adam Curry (106:05)

No, no, it's Dario. Dario Amodei.

John C. Dvorak (106:09)

Is that him? Dario.

Adam Curry (106:11)

So his sister Daniella is married to Holden Karnofsky, who co founded Giveaway well and was the CEO of Open Philanthropy, the leading effective altruism grant maker. He now works at AD Anthropic on AI safety and responsible scaling. Amanda Askel, previously married to Will MacAskill, one of EI's founding philosophers, co founder of Giving what We Can. These are all effective altruism companies. Crap. Crap. Yes. Early investors in. In Anthropic. Jan Talen. He's the. The guy who co founded Skype. I totally believe that guy. I met him in Amsterdam. He totally EA type guy. Dustin Moskovitz, Facebook co founder, biggest individual funder of effective altruism causes. And he also funded Sam Bankman Fried with their concubine. They were all about that. They were all about effective altruism. The founders have collectively pledged to donate 80% of their wealth framed as addressing AI driven societal risks to Anthropic's governance. It's a long term benefit trust designed to prioritize responsible AI over profit. Come on. This is uninvestable. It's uninvestable. These people are nuts. And you know, they probably have some of that sex cult stuff going on.

John C. Dvorak (107:40)

Oh, it has to be. It has to be. Why wouldn't there be?

Adam Curry (107:45)

Yeah, I know, I know it's crazy. And I just want to tell everybody, no second half of show has nothing to do with Artemis. Well, Artemis will be back by then.

John C. Dvorak (107:56)

Actually, try Artemis. I have an Artemis clip if you want to play because it's so wimpy.

Adam Curry (108:04)

What is it? What's your Artemis? Oh, corny. The corny Artemis report. I got it. Tonight, as Team Artemis two hurdles back to Earth, they're beaming back stunning images of the moon and the Earth from

John C. Dvorak (108:15)

their journey around the far side of the moon.

Adam Curry (108:17)

Perhaps the most incredible is this one.

John C. Dvorak (108:20)

Earth set.

Adam Curry (108:21)

The image of the Earth peeking out from behind the moon.

John C. Dvorak (108:24)

The team had seven hours to document

Adam Curry (108:27)

the far side of the moon. Commander Reid Weissman, peering out the window Pilot Victor Glover and Mission Specialist Christina Cook lying side by side. Mission specialist Jeremy Hansen aiming his camera. The crew all smiles, pausing for a selfie. And David, one more image from space here tonight. At one point, cameras caught a jar of Nutella spreads floating by there. It went viral, as you can imagine. On the company side too, of course. Writing honored to have traveled further than

John C. Dvorak (108:55)

any spread in history. And yes, now some are calling this

Adam Curry (109:00)

the best free ad ever.

John C. Dvorak (109:01)

David.

Adam Curry (109:02)

Yeah, that's pretty incredible product placement tonight, Giovanny. Wow. Wow. Nutella. They're eating Nutella. They had room. What happened to Tang? Now we.

John C. Dvorak (109:15)

Whatever happened to Tang.

Adam Curry (109:17)

Tang was good. You know, I think they're probably up there. I don't know if they went around the moon or not. It seems, seems, you know, no news about the Van Allen belts. I don't know how they went through all that Great pictures of the moon. Show me a flag. Show me a. Come on. You got zoom lenses now. Haven't seen that. I thought I could get him on something and I. Because Trump had the phone call with the astronauts.

John C. Dvorak (109:47)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (109:48)

Which is pretty awkward. And I was counting the seconds between the Delay, delay. It took about seven seconds round trip. Give him a second or two to respond. I'm like, ah, I've got him. So I went back and got the phone call that President Nixon made with the astronauts. It was about seven seconds. Well, that gambit failed. Trying to make. No, it has nothing. It has nothing.

John C. Dvorak (110:15)

Keep digging.

Adam Curry (110:16)

I will keep digging. No, my second half of show for Sunday which I think you will like is more about UFOs, UAPs, disclosure, Hollywood, Etc. I, I think you'll.

John C. Dvorak (110:26)

Hollywood, Hollywood.

Adam Curry (110:28)

Yeah, baby, Hollywood. But with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning. To you, the man who put the sea in the crappy California tipper. Say hello to my friend on the other end. He's still with us. He's still alive. The one, the only, Mr. John C.

John C. Dvorak (110:41)

Well in the morning to you and Mr. In the morning all the ships of sea Busan gravity. Somebody know our names? Nice out there.

Adam Curry (110:47)

There it is. There's the energy leaking out like a slow balloon in the morning. Trolls. 1483. 1483 people listening live to this broadcast, your no agenda show where we break down life for you and make you feel good because we're not all spun up like everybody else. We don't have to drop all those F bombs to keep you, keep you engaged. Aged like Megyn Kelly. She's turned out to be quite a disappointment. Don't you Think.

John C. Dvorak (111:19)

Yeah, she's not. You know, she was always a pretty girl. That was, it was, you know, her. Her real peak was. And her probably her best landing spot was when she was at Fox.

Adam Curry (111:33)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (111:33)

And she dominated like an hour of news. And she could kind of be herself and, you know, be kind of right wing, but not completely. A little skeptical and flirty. And then she got, you know, some. Then NBC co opted her to get her out at Fox because she was really dominating that time slot, which, you know, oh, okay, I'll go with you guys. To do a daytime show and then get screwed and end up being a podcaster.

Adam Curry (112:04)

Yes. And she.

John C. Dvorak (112:05)

Yeah, she. She blew it.

Adam Curry (112:06)

Yeah. I mean, but just, she has to, like, throw all the cuss words in. That's. That's what ruined Howard Stern. And when he first went to Sirius xm, you know, oh, now we can say the F word because the FCC is not. And then everybody was cussing. It was just like. And it. And it made for poor language skills,

John C. Dvorak (112:26)

I think, you know, well, it said a bad standard. I mean, the number of podcasters is just incessantly cuss. Yeah, this is not good.

Adam Curry (112:39)

So those trolls are in the troll room. Troll. It's no agenda. Stream.com. you can also listen on a modern podcast app. We still try to keep the slop to a minimum. Podcast apps.com, we run on value for value. And there's a number of different ways you can support us. But first, I'd like to say that once again, we are missing the boat. You know those Midas Touch guys? Remember the Midas Touch?

John C. Dvorak (113:03)

I haven't heard them forever.

Adam Curry (113:04)

Oh, they're still. They're. They're way up at the top of the charts, of the podcast charts. And the reason is they drop about six podcasts a day. So they, you know, the, the downloads just keep stacking up. So if you do one podcast a day and you've got, I don't know, maybe you have a 10,000. That's where people start to make money. Maybe you have a hundred thousand, one hundred thousand people who are subscribed because it still works on downloads. Stupid system. But if you drop six episodes on one day, now all of a sudden you're 600,000. You see how it works? So they just split the show up. They could do one show. Instead they do six different segments. And they do the same on YouTube. And so that's why they're top of the charts. And they're. They're Trump haters, which is fine. I think they tried to Dethrone Rose, Rogan. And chart wise. Well, chart wise, they get pretty close because of the sheer volume of episodes.

John C. Dvorak (114:01)

Yeah, because of the bs. Yeah, because of the way this is manipulation. That's bull crap.

Adam Curry (114:06)

So they got an investment from Soros.

John C. Dvorak (114:09)

Oh, well, that makes sense.

Adam Curry (114:10)

Soros Fund Management led an investment round the Midas Touch Network. The same fund that bought Crooked Media. That's the. That's the Obamacare guys. There's no here. Bloomberg confirmed it two days ago. Soros Fund Management led the investment round. They didn't talk about it. There's no. Not like the TBPN guys. No celebration. They talk about everything, but they didn't talk about the money. So this is. And this is Soros trying to build an audio empire according to Semi before. So, I mean.

John C. Dvorak (114:49)

Oh, good luck.

Adam Curry (114:50)

We still could. We still could grab some of that sweet, sweet Soros money if you wanted to.

John C. Dvorak (114:55)

Well, I don't know how we can manage it.

Adam Curry (114:58)

What, the money?

John C. Dvorak (115:00)

No, we can manage the money. I don't know how you can manage to pivot.

Adam Curry (115:05)

I don't think we can pivot at all. We're beyond pivot, I tell you.

John C. Dvorak (115:09)

We're doomed.

Adam Curry (115:09)

We're doomed.

John C. Dvorak (115:10)

We're doomed to rely on our producers.

Adam Curry (115:14)

Yes. And our professionals. And we do rely on the producers for time, talent, treasure. We do not have a single listener. We only have producers. Everyone who listens to the show is, by definition, a producer. It is your responsibility to contribute to the show. You can do that with boots on the ground, with clips, with idea, with insides. Everybody is an expert in at least one thing. And boy, do you guys let us know when there's something going on that concerns your profession. This is part of why we're the best podcast in the universe. Universe.

John C. Dvorak (115:44)

This reminds me, I've gotten, like, four notes so far from anesthesiologists about my operation and the fact that I woke up.

Adam Curry (115:53)

Yeah. And they're all saying sue, aren't they?

John C. Dvorak (115:55)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (115:57)

I'm telling you, Rob, the constitutional lawyer is there when you're ready for him.

John C. Dvorak (116:01)

Well, I'm gonna have to start talking to people because it was traumatic.

Adam Curry (116:05)

Of course it was traumatic. I. I have trauma from just hearing the story.

John C. Dvorak (116:10)

Oh, yeah. Terrible.

Adam Curry (116:11)

And I feel it has affected your performance on the show and thus your income. I.

John C. Dvorak (116:18)

Apparently. Yeah, I think so.

Adam Curry (116:20)

Keep saying it. Keep saying it. Come on. Keep.

John C. Dvorak (116:21)

Yeah, yeah. My income is no good. So I had an. I have another story. So. I mean, this operation creates a lot of. With a lot of people. There's two things that it might create. One is a lot of pain, which I don't have, and I'm lucky about that.

Adam Curry (116:42)

Mm.

John C. Dvorak (116:42)

But the other one is you get a lot of fluids.

Adam Curry (116:45)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (116:46)

Built up in the lungs, around the lungs, in the cavities. So I had a fluid removal. Quite well done, by the way, where the guy sticks a giant thing into your. Into your body and sucks fluid out.

Adam Curry (117:01)

Where in your body? In the side. In your.

John C. Dvorak (117:04)

Kind of. In the. In the. Not quite the back, but around the back area.

Adam Curry (117:09)

Does that hurt when he puts the needle in?

John C. Dvorak (117:11)

No, that's. He did such a great job. It didn't hurt at all. All but. And I have. Jay and Brennan came in afterwards after they drew the fluids from one side of my right lung. Two giant bottles of this goo goo.

Adam Curry (117:34)

Hey.

John C. Dvorak (117:35)

Well, it's kind of liquidy. It's a little more. It's a little less thick than you'd think.

Adam Curry (117:41)

Can we do a special knighthood and people get a little vile of it?

John C. Dvorak (117:45)

No, I didn't. I didn't. I wasn't able to get it.

Adam Curry (117:47)

Oh, you didn't save it?

John C. Dvorak (117:49)

Jay was thinking that it'd be good plant food, and I thought. I was thinking about trying to get it and it was like. Well, I'm sure they don't give it to people because some sickos out there probably get it and dose people with it. Who knows?

Adam Curry (118:04)

Who knows what's going on?

John C. Dvorak (118:05)

Whatever. But. But it's like, I have a photo. I said, you got to take a photo. Photo of these two bottles full of stuff that came out of just one side. It's like I lost like three pounds pulling this stuff out. I'm wanting to put it in the newsletter. The photo.

Adam Curry (118:25)

Yeah. Cool.

John C. Dvorak (118:27)

I don't think I will.

Adam Curry (118:29)

Well, I was not going to bring this up, but now that you're back on your medical story stories. Got a note from one of our producers and wanted to bring our attention to a side effect patients can acquire after open heart surgery when they've been on a heart bypass machine, which you presumably were for a time during the

John C. Dvorak (118:53)

operation, I would assume.

Adam Curry (118:55)

Have you heard the term is pump head.

John C. Dvorak (118:59)

What is it?

Adam Curry (119:00)

Pump head. And this. I looked this up. It's a real medical term, pump head. Formal name, post profusion syndrome or post operative cognitive dysfunction. It can cause cognitive issues, short term memory, concentration, fine motor function, speed of mental or motor responsiveness, word finding, mood change changes.

John C. Dvorak (119:28)

Yeah, well, mood changes is nothing new for me. But. But this is one of the things that when you're in there after the operation doctor and nurse and nurse practitioner, one after the other come in and grill you about. So are you. You know, they're asking these stupid questions. Do you know where you are? I mean, just. Just idiotic stuff. And they are pre. They bring one expert after another. They' for that. That is one of the things they really target.

Adam Curry (120:01)

Well, it has a name. Pump Head.

John C. Dvorak (120:04)

I don't know why it would be called that.

Adam Curry (120:06)

I like it. I think it's a show title.

John C. Dvorak (120:08)

Personally, I was thinking like Pump Head means you're hearing a throbbing in the head or something like that.

Adam Curry (120:13)

No, no. 42% show cognitive decline five years after surgery.

John C. Dvorak (120:18)

Well, five years is a long way.

Adam Curry (120:20)

Yeah. Well, we'll keep. We'll keep you.

John C. Dvorak (120:22)

I'm sure that in five years I'm going to get cognitive decline no matter what.

Adam Curry (120:28)

We want to thank the artist for episode 1857. That was John's birthday and it was Resurrection Day. It was Easter. Excuse me. So, as always on the no Agenda show, we are looking for something traditional. Darren o' Neill was really the only one who brought us. We're wondering now, are there a lot of artists who can't log into the Art Generator?

John C. Dvorak (120:53)

Something. We had very little submissions.

Adam Curry (120:55)

Seems like the submissions are down or maybe. I don't know what's going on. But this was super cute. It was cute girl, little cheesecakey bunny ears on no agenda. Curry and dvorak eggs with a happy birthday JCD airplane flying in the back of the sky. The airplane, it's kind of interesting. It has a wheel on the wing. It has another wheel underneath it. Half a wing in the distance. You know, there was kind of an AI mistake there, but we can take a look and see if there was anything. Anything else. I don't think I. I think there.

John C. Dvorak (121:34)

No, it was only like six pieces.

Adam Curry (121:35)

And how's the submissions for today? Oh, we got. Oh, we got submissions. Oh, people are back. Oh, good. Oh, oh, we got a lot of submissions. Good. We had capitalist agenda. Had an Easter bunny pooping eggs.

John C. Dvorak (121:48)

That was a little poop. Pooping.

Adam Curry (121:53)

No pooping. No pooping. People were trying, but no, this. It was really. It was really Darren's. Darren's girl who did it. So that was. That was well done. We appreciate it. You can go to noagendaartgenerator.com and we of course thank Sir Paul Couture for keeping that running for he's working on. This will be his second decade. It's unbelievable what the guy has done. So we're very appreciative of that. And now we have our producers who have supported us monetarily. Let me see. We now, is this a. Oh, is this a. A knight in the red knight? Yeah, hold on a second. I got his notes. I gotta open the note.

John C. Dvorak (122:39)

Oh, you got Tyler's note.

Adam Curry (122:41)

Yes, I do have his. No, wait, that's a different note. No, I did not get his note. Hold on a second.

John C. Dvorak (122:45)

No, I didn't get it either.

Adam Curry (122:46)

Neither.

John C. Dvorak (122:46)

Jay. We had to wait for a Note.

Adam Curry (122:48)

Ah. Tyler O', Br O', Brien, Boca Raton. 1,030 and 26 cents. So I don't know if that's fees or what that is Fees.

John C. Dvorak (122:58)

That's fees.

Adam Curry (122:59)

But we would like to give you a proper knighting in the order of the red heart. So send in your note, Tyler, and we will make good on Sunday show. And thank you very much. We appreciate the support.

John C. Dvorak (123:12)

You're gonna have to read this one.

Adam Curry (123:15)

Okay. This is Sean Stedman and Sean comes in with $1,003.03. Salutations to the back office. This is Sean Stedman, aka Sir Face Tension of Vero Beach, Florida. Thank you for all you do production notes asking for Trump Pelosi job karma jingles, jcd, Hot Pockets and jcd. No sweat off my balls in the morning. Gentlemen. Happy first Thursday of the week and happy belated birthday to John. Appreciate y' all working on a holiday birthday week. Thank you to Adam and Mimi for keeping it together during our shared crisis of proving JCD in fact has a heart. Please accept this treasure for the value I receive specifically from all the extra features, archive stream, show notes, art generator, etc. Baked into the outstanding product provided by the no agenda community. Shout out to all the producers in Florida, Meowdison and the crew. I miss all of you that I've met and I can't wait to meet meet the rest. To do that, we need to re establish our meetup routine. I'm starting a monthly Vero beach hangout open to all contact details will be provided. Shameless plug for the gigawatt team. Y' all are amazing, especially when the driver literally spills the beans. You go out of your way to provide excellent customer service and recovered my products. Stay caffeinated, he says. And he adds an onward to that. What's that?

John C. Dvorak (124:38)

No play those hours.

Adam Curry (124:40)

Yeah, Here we go.

John C. Dvorak (124:41)

Hot Pockets. No sweat off my balls.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (124:44)

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

Adam Curry (124:50)

You thought karma.

John C. Dvorak (124:53)

You notice all the podcasts that have coffee as kind of like one they got. They all represent one coffee Right, Roaster?

Adam Curry (125:05)

Yeah, I guess I have.

John C. Dvorak (125:07)

Yeah. There's a bunch of them, I think that's interesting. We. We. We started it. I think we're the originals.

Adam Curry (125:14)

I don't know if we started. I'm not sure we started it.

John C. Dvorak (125:19)

Well, I'd like to think we did. Steve Cabrel in Albany, New York, 1000 ITM. Great to hear you're on the mend, John Gone. I've been listening since 2017. I've been a few. Been a few years. So I may need a de douching. Prior to a reduching. Prior to a de douching.

Adam Curry (125:41)

Wow. Okay, douchebag. There we go.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (125:45)

You've been de douched.

Adam Curry (125:46)

That's what you want, that's what you'll get.

John C. Dvorak (125:48)

Please knight me, sir. Please stop with the evil Empire States Krap Patoll Land Protectorate, Albanini. What?

Adam Curry (125:59)

I don't know what that is.

John C. Dvorak (126:02)

Please, not me. Please stop with the evil empire state's capital.

Adam Curry (126:10)

I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (126:10)

Protectorate.

Adam Curry (126:11)

He's mad about something going on in Albany, New York.

John C. Dvorak (126:13)

I think so.

Adam Curry (126:14)

Yes, that's what's going on.

John C. Dvorak (126:15)

Okay, well.

Adam Curry (126:17)

Okay,

John C. Dvorak (126:19)

we're assuming that's a red Knight request.

Adam Curry (126:23)

Well, I don't have. There's nothing I can get at the round table.

John C. Dvorak (126:29)

That's fine.

Adam Curry (126:30)

Okay. Then we go to Archduchess Kim, keeper of the nutty fluffers from Hubbard, Oregon. And we always love hearing from her. And she has an executive producership once again for this episode of the best podcast in the universe. And she sends us $374.88. A little love note for John. Jingle. Screw your freedom, little girl. You. Yay. Okay, John. Worst timing ever. For some folks getting a refund. Others are footing the bill for new bombs. But I still want you both to know that I'm so grateful for you both and so happy that John is on the mend. Boots on the ground. I'm an employer in a few states, and Oregon has to be the worst. We line up and scream, no kings. No kings. But Oregon is slated for 2030 to be the first state to roll out universal health care for all. That's right, Orange man bad. But daddy government take care of me. In addition to this, we already have Oregon Cares. You can take up to six months off, paid by the state for a variety of reasons like childbirth, mental health, caring for a family member. Is that paid? Who pays for that? Does the state pay for that or is your employer.

John C. Dvorak (127:39)

I've never heard of this, but I'm sure the state Does. Why not?

Adam Curry (127:42)

Wow. And caring for a family member. You can move to Oregon, Jake, and take six months off. We also have Oregon Saves, where your employer has to take money from your paycheck and give it to the state so they can invest. Invest it. Because they're doing so well with all the other money they have. I have to deduct it and it's up to you to call and get it stopped. We're so close to basic universal income. It's scary if you look at it. Sorry for the long note, but I thought this would be of value. It is. We're quite disturbed by it, John. Next time try to have an incident mid year. That's when there's more cash flow. Love you both. She says screw your freedom. Yay. All right, Kim.

John C. Dvorak (128:25)

Now I wonder what she does. She's got employers, employees in various states.

Adam Curry (128:30)

Yeah, well, she's a busy lady.

John C. Dvorak (128:34)

Onward with Amos, I do think. Yeah, or Arnis.

Adam Curry (128:38)

Arnest.

John C. Dvorak (128:39)

Yeah, Arnis selmans in Italian. EE, which is Estonia or. No, EE's not us. What is either? E. E. Why don't you look up ee? Top level domain.

Adam Curry (128:53)

Okay. Why not? Well, ee. No. Is that a top level domain? Where?

John C. Dvorak (128:58)

I think that's what it would be.

Adam Curry (128:59)

What country is the top level domain EE from? Okay, robot, way to go.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (129:10)

EE is Estonia's country code. Top level domain. It was introduced in 1992 and is operated by the Estonian Internet Foundation.

Adam Curry (129:16)

E. Estonia. Nailed it, robot. Good work. Work robot.

John C. Dvorak (129:20)

I Already had it.333.33 with a note. Thank you.

Adam Curry (129:25)

You're welcome.

John C. Dvorak (129:26)

Estonia, by the way, is one of the most wired countries in the world.

Adam Curry (129:31)

Oh, is. Is that so? How did that happen?

John C. Dvorak (129:33)

Yeah, what they say. I don't know. This president of the country decided some years back to make Estonia super connected. And it is.

Adam Curry (129:46)

Gregory Edmondson is in Pottstown, Pennsylvania. 23232. Nice. We see what you did there in the morning, John and Adam. Gregory says I have a message for all the no Agenda douchebags. On July 10th of last year, I donated to the show and asked for house buying karma. Three months later, my wife and I were moving into what I can honestly consider our dream home. The karma works, people. I also need to wish a happy birthday to my mouth hitter Tomonomous. Listen to his podcast, the daily Ratings, a movie rating and review show that uses the V for V model. I don't listen to it, but you should. Just some health karma for John. We gotta keep that ticker ticking.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (130:26)

You've got karma

John C. Dvorak (130:30)

Keeper Felicity in Garrison, New York 222.22. Hello.

Adam Curry (130:37)

Hello.

John C. Dvorak (130:38)

Sir Ouija. Is Sir Walter Ouija of the famous or famous of the Both. The both brand salt and pepper mix.

Adam Curry (130:46)

Oh yeah.

John C. Dvorak (130:47)

Their birthdays today. Please say happy birthday to him and apply this to his progress. Five goat screams and great karma. Thanks Keeper Felicity. You guys rock.

Adam Curry (131:02)

Yeah, we'll just do one goat karma, if you don't mind. You've got another associate executive producership for Sir Heb of Hogtown. 200 bucks. It's your favorite brain aneurysm. Surviving producer here, Sir Heb of hogtown. I've sent 200 worth of bitcoin but would like to do the switcheroo for my good friend Christina Banas. Okay, let me see Chris. Tina Banas. Okay, she is in Christina. Bonus. I believe this gets her almost halfway to Dame Doma is married to an NPR addicted liberal who has an equally propagandized twin brother. Oh my goodness.

John C. Dvorak (131:43)

Nice.

Adam Curry (131:45)

They recently told her it's false that there's a ton of net migration out of New York and California. And they said the only only problem in California is lack of housing. I await JCD's retort to that gem

John C. Dvorak (132:03)

this documented.

Adam Curry (132:04)

No, it's false.

John C. Dvorak (132:06)

These are figures that are available publicly that the government keeps showing a net negative migration.

Adam Curry (132:15)

Well, just look at the U Hauls.

John C. Dvorak (132:18)

Yeah, there you go.

Adam Curry (132:19)

That's the way we track it. He winds up by saying God bless and keep up the good work. And John, I sympathize with your hospital woes. I was there for three weeks. It's the worst hotel ever. Sir Heb of Hogtown.

John C. Dvorak (132:33)

I can imagine. Onward with Linda Lupatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado. $200 jobs karma. Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets results go to ImageMakers Inc.com Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience to into a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Best Linda.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (133:06)

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

Adam Curry (133:14)

And these executive and associate executive producers receive the credit that goes along with that title. The is a real Hollywood credits recognized anywhere. Credits are recognized and that's a lot of places including IMDb.com anybody who supports us $200 or more. We read your note and you get one of those fancy titles Associate Executive Producer $300 or above. You get the same note reading and an executive producership. You can go to IMDb.com Enter your name if you're not already there. We thank everybody $50 and above on every single program under that we do not for reasons of anonymity. It seems to help people a lot who just don't want their notes name read out. So we always have a lot of 49.99s. We appreciate that. Here's the rest of the list down to 50. Christopher Ebert from Spartanburg, South Carolina. 105 and 35 cents. Foster Burch with $100 and he says he loves the show. Must be getting close to knighthood. Well, you should let us know it's on our system. Lidell Lauro or Liddell? Lidell. Lidell lauro. Huntington Beach, California. $96. Philip Bloom wide. That would be Switzerland, I believe with the. Wait, I forgot one. I forgot. Bob Rathmell in Santa Isabel, California. 8888. Oh, that's. There's some hugs for John. Welcome home, John. There's Philip Blum. Wieden. Wieden Vas. He says Wieden Switzerland with a boob donation. 8008. Then we have the standard boob donation from Sir Kevin McLaughlin. He's all always there. He is the Archduke of Luna and lover of America. And boobs. And he's in Concord, North Carolina. 7747 from Albright Managed Networks LLC. And it's a belated happy birthday to you. Eclipse. An American professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Washington wrote a blog post titled Major Global cooling of the past two years. Oh yes, people have sent me that. Duh duh. We've been doing that for 18. Sir Il Pope D siclismo the villages in Florida. 7575. Why be late on a birthday donation? Well, I'm donating to John's 75th birthday, so that's for next year in advance. Thank you. Mara, the night nurse of the Amsterdam Realms of the Netherlands in Amsterdam. 75 bucks, she says. You know, I've been losing many friends, family and clients over the last crazy years. I'm so happy that John is still with us. Almost nothing in life is as reliable as the no Agenda shift show.

John C. Dvorak (135:42)

That's right.

Adam Curry (135:42)

That's true. Perennial cure curiosity. 7488. It's numerology. 7488 is John's age. Plus four eggs. Happy birthday. Happy birthday JCD and happy Easter. Edward Noon, Tucson, Arizona. These are still belated birthday donations for you. 7474. Baron Roplen in Leiden by the way

John C. Dvorak (136:05)

you should get de douching to perennial curiosity.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (136:09)

Oh yes, you've been de douched.

Adam Curry (136:13)

33 years old, perennial, just finally getting deduced. Yes, we had Baron Ropleiden in Leiden. We have Chris Engler in ancaster. That's in Ontario. 7,474. Best speedy recovery for you. Your old foamer, he says. And Martin McIntyre in Mount Laurel, New Jersey. 7,470 4. Happy birthday wishes to John Jessica Banstra, 59.9 3. Troy Fun Thunderbird, Missoula, Montana. 55. Brittany Miller, Trinidad, Colorado. 52. 72. Josiah Thomas Ankeny, Iowa. 51. Sir Luke Rayner, the Earl of London from London. He's happy you're back. $51. Collective karma for us all at the end. Sir Luke bad idea. Supply $50.50. And here's the 50. Stephen Ray, Spokane, Washington. Edward Mazarik, Memphis, Tennessee. Roderick Brown, Mermaid Prince Edward island in Canada. Rene K. Stephen Shoemake, Xenia, Ohio. Leslie Walker in Roseburg, Oregon. Walker Phillips is our final one in San Rafael, California. That's it. $50 and above. Again, thanks to these people and to our executive and associate executive producers. We appreciate all the support we get. As always. Noagendadonations.com Go there, make a donation. Support the show time talent. Trevor Treasure. You can even set up a recurring donation. There's many ways to donate. You can also send checks to our po bo boxes, all at no agenda donations.com support the show no agenda donations.com. So I see here we have Keeper Felicity who wishes. Sir Oui Gee. Oui gee. Ouija. Ouija. What do you think that is, John Ouija, the famous of both salt and pepper mix. A very happy birthday. Yes, yes, that's what it was. And Dame Courtney and Scarlett say happy birthday to Chicago Patriot. Oh, I know Chicago Patriot. Happy birthday. In fact, I'd say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Behold the Order of the Heart, pure of purpose. Morning, brave and smart. The Order of the Heart. That's right. Not one, not two, but three Orders of the Heart today. These are special insta knightings where you not only receive your night ring, or a second one if you have one for that matter, but a special lapel pin that supports the Order of the Heart and shows you are a supporter of John. And it goes to Tyler o', Brien, Sean Stedman, AKA Sir Facetension and Steve Cabrel, Brand new Knights of the Noah Dinner, Round table and Order of the Hearts. Behold the Order of the Heart, pure of purpose. Right from the stars in the morning Brave and smart the order of the heart. Yo. I mean, the jingle alone is worth it, to be honest. One night, John. One. If you could lift the blade.

John C. Dvorak (139:33)

If you got a blade right here.

Adam Curry (139:34)

Oh, that's a very. That's a cute one. That's a cute little blade. Steve. Cabrel, Step on up. You made it, my friend. You are about to join that exclusive club known as the Knights and Dames of the no Agenda Roundtable. I'm very proud to pronounce the KB As Sir Stop with the Evil Empire Capital Land Protectorate. And that means that you're a knight, my friend. And along with that comes a number of goodies at the round table. Hookers and blow. Rent boys and chardonnay. Fish pie and fellatio. Harlots and Hal Doll. We got redheads and Rise Beers and blunts. Cowgirls and coffin varnish. Rubin Esque Women and rose gases and sake Vodka Vanilla bungheads and bourbon Sparkling Siren Escort Ginger gerbils, Breast milk and Pablo. And there's always a little bit of. We've got it right here for you. Go to noagendarings.com and we will make sure that we send off your ring. It's a signet ring, so you get some sticks of wax included in your package. You can sign your important correspondence with that and as always, a certificate of authenticity. Welcome to the roundtable of the no Agenda Dames and Knights. Did did not see any meetup reports and I'm hoping to get one from Japan. At least Osaka had a meetup. But here's what's coming up this Saturday. There's a couple of very important ones. The first one is the Treasure Valley Boise meetup, 3 o' clock at the Old State Saloon in Eagle, Idaho. Here's the one we're all looking for. The Northern Silicon Valley Valley. Get John and Mimi out of the House meetup. That's at 3:33pm Pacific at Club Mallory. John, are you gonna make it?

John C. Dvorak (141:13)

I intend to be there. And I expect to see people who should intend to see me.

Adam Curry (141:19)

Yes, and if you feel like it, ladies dress up as a hot nurse for the picture. That's what we're looking.

John C. Dvorak (141:26)

Go over at that bar.

Adam Curry (141:28)

Yeah, yeah, it'll go over well. And then also on Saturday, it's. It's dueling meetups. The fourth semiannual Fredericksburg, Texas meetup. 33033 here in Fredericksburg, Texas. The 1776.

John C. Dvorak (141:42)

You had one in Fredericksburg before?

Adam Curry (141:44)

No. Well, we've had it this is the fourth time. Oh, this is. It's the fourth semiannual.

John C. Dvorak (141:50)

Oh, okay.

Adam Curry (141:51)

It's a J6 or Jenny's Place. The 1776 Bar and Full Moon Inn Bed and Breakfast, Fredericksburg, Texas. FBG Matt and his lovely wife Gail are organizing it. I'll be there. Tina will be there. Pastor Jimmy's gonna be there. Rob the constitutional lawyer will be there. I'm sure Scott, the Baron of the Armory will be there. Dirt New Jersey Whore, Sir Brian with one eye. These are the Texas meetup celebrities. How could you miss it? Well, you could if you're in Louisiana, because you'll be going to the Saturday Sufferin succotash South Central Louisiana meetup at 7 o' clock at the Adopted Dog Brewing Company in Lafayette, Louisiana. And one week from today, on Thursday, April 16th, there's the fifth anniversary edition of Charlotte's 33rd. Thursday, 7 o' clock at Ed's Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. Coming up the rest of this month on the 18th, Fort Wayne, Indiana. Franklin, Tennessee. The 19, Indianapolis, Indiana. Vancouver, British Columbia. Scheifening in the Netherlands on the 25th. In the Netherlands and Albuquerque, New Mexico on the 25th. Brighton, Michigan on the 26th. And we're looking forward to a meet up report from Leipzig, Germany. They will be meeting on April 30th. NoaGenDameetups.com is where you can find out all the information about these meetups. Meetups in the future, meetups to come. If you can't find one, you just feel like starting one yourself. There's no fear. Maybe you just set it up, get it going. Go to noagendameetups.com it's very easy. These meetups bring connection automatic protection. These people that you meet there will be your first responders in any emergency. Noagendameetups.com Always easy, always a party. You want to be where everybody feels the same.

John C. Dvorak (143:39)

It's like a.

Adam Curry (143:41)

No. What happened there?

John C. Dvorak (143:43)

It stopped.

Adam Curry (143:43)

Oh. Oh, yeah, it did. It froze.

John C. Dvorak (143:48)

Huh.

Adam Curry (143:49)

That's the same thing that happened last time Linux. But why? Why? The question is why? Hold on. Well, let me fire it up again. No, not a problem. It's not a problem that I can fix because I can do it in the mix. That was weird. Let's put it this way, that was unexpected. Okay, hold on, let me see if I can. Hmm. Let me just. This is. I wonder if it has to do with that jingle. That is possible. You know, could be.

John C. Dvorak (144:27)

What's new about it?

Adam Curry (144:28)

Well, no, I don't. I mean, let Me Try it again. Let me just see what happens. Closer. Here we go. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days. You wanna be where you won't be triggered on Hell Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

John C. Dvorak (144:58)

Like a party. Nope.

Adam Curry (145:01)

What? Nope. No, it played fine. No, it's not the jingle. I don't know what it is. It's. Maybe it's a timing issue. It doesn't matter because we do have John's tip of the day coming up and some. Some fun end of show mixes. First, I'd like to select the. The isos will be or N ISO they'll be using at the end of the show. I see you have two. I'm loaded for bear with four, but I don't think any of them are any good. So should I play mine first?

John C. Dvorak (145:26)

Yes, please.

Adam Curry (145:27)

The level of intelligence that they've had up until this point is truly amazing.

John C. Dvorak (145:32)

It's a little long, don't you think? That was a bit long.

Adam Curry (145:34)

Yeah, it was a bit long. How would this. Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

John C. Dvorak (145:39)

We got a million of those.

Adam Curry (145:41)

That was all good. And the last one, they were massively successful. No, I don't think any of those are very good, honestly.

John C. Dvorak (145:50)

Well, they're usable.

Adam Curry (145:52)

Hmm.

John C. Dvorak (145:53)

Let's go with mine.

Adam Curry (145:55)

What do you have?

John C. Dvorak (145:56)

Let's see. What. What do I have? Hold on, hold on.

Adam Curry (146:02)

I'm holding on. I see two.

John C. Dvorak (146:08)

Improvement.

Adam Curry (146:09)

Improvement.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (146:10)

That's quite an improvement.

Adam Curry (146:13)

Okay. That's an improvement over mine for sure.

John C. Dvorak (146:16)

Inspire.

Adam Curry (146:17)

It's inspire.

John C. Dvorak (146:18)

Inspiring.

Adam Curry (146:20)

No, I like the. I kind of like this one.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (146:23)

That's quite an improvement.

John C. Dvorak (146:25)

Go with it.

Adam Curry (146:26)

I want to go with that. Hey, we're going with that. But first, it's time for everyone's favorite John's tip of the day. And sometimes Adam,

John C. Dvorak (146:42)

by the way, we didn't get to it on the show, but I want to talk about the next show, which is Typhus in Los Angeles.

Adam Curry (146:52)

Typhus in Los Angeles.

John C. Dvorak (146:56)

Did you hear about this?

Adam Curry (146:57)

No. That's not good.

John C. Dvorak (146:58)

It's broken out, huh?

Adam Curry (147:01)

You know, in. In Holland, you know, there's people say something kind of like f off. You know what they'll say instead? It's obviously from days of Lore, they say, which translates to get the typhus.

John C. Dvorak (147:25)

Catch, basically. Catch typhus.

Adam Curry (147:28)

Yeah. Catch typhus. But it's like when you really are mad at somebody, like, why don't you just catch typhus and die? That's the impression.

John C. Dvorak (147:36)

Ask the robot what the symptoms are.

Adam Curry (147:39)

The symptoms of. It's typhus. Typhus.

John C. Dvorak (147:42)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (147:42)

Typhus hey, robot, what are the symptoms of typhus? Let's see what the robot has to say.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (147:52)

Main symptoms are high fever, headache, chills, body aches and rash. Also nausea, vomiting, weakness, and confusion.

Adam Curry (147:58)

Confusion. Oh, there you go. Confusion. All right, you might have it.

John C. Dvorak (148:07)

What?

Adam Curry (148:08)

What? What?

John C. Dvorak (148:10)

Okay, so this is an interesting tip of the day. This tip of the day. People are always, you know, moaning about. About Wikipedia and us. You know, it's this, this that I'm going to recommend at least the alternative site.

Adam Curry (148:28)

Oh, no.

John C. Dvorak (148:29)

Which is out there. I use it all the time. Time. It's got better material. It's what? It's professionally done. It's free. Britannica. Britannica.com People should put this normally, use it as an alternative to Wikipedia and you get. You basically get. I'd say it was fundamentally stronger information.

Adam Curry (148:56)

Really? Really?

John C. Dvorak (148:58)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (148:59)

Huh.

John C. Dvorak (149:00)

I mean, they won't have the no Agenda show in there, but.

Adam Curry (149:02)

No, of course not. Did you hear about the bot that was posting to Wikipedia? The AI bot? Yeah, the AI bot was posting. You know, someone programmed it like, oh, go update articles on Wikipedia. And then it got banned because it was doing it autonomously. It got banned. Then it supposedly wrote a blog post about being banned and how to circumvent being banned. And as a bot.

John C. Dvorak (149:29)

Wow.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (149:30)

This.

Adam Curry (149:31)

This is what I'm talking about. The Internet is breaking very slowly. It's breaking around us.

John C. Dvorak (149:36)

Yeah, well, it's entertaining, so.

Adam Curry (149:40)

Yeah, it's very entertaining because we're podcasters and. And, you know, there's not much. They can't beat us. You can't beat a podcaster. They just can't. They never will. Never will, huh? There it is, everybody. John's Tip of the Day. Find them all@noagendafund.com, tip of the day.net just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam, created by Dana Bernetti. Well, there you go, everybody. Another show in the can. Remember Sunday, second half of show. You will not be disappointed. I'm. I'm bringing up the anticipation level now.

John C. Dvorak (150:20)

You must have something good.

Adam Curry (150:22)

It's pretty good. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. It's. Yeah, yeah, I can say it. It's pretty good. I'm excited.

John C. Dvorak (150:31)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (150:31)

And I'm also excited for our dueling meetups. So those you on the west coast, go see John on Saturday. The northern Silicon Valley. Get John and Mimi out of the house meetup. If you're in the south by Southwest area, come to see us here in Fredericksburg at the semiannual the fourth Semiannual Frederick Fredericksburg, Texas meetup. It'll be a lot of fun. End of show mixes, MVP checks in and Sir Scott the Jew with the end of show mix. He usually does meet up reports. So good to have him in the mix. And we will return on Sunday. We please hope that you will join us. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill country, home of the Fredericksburg Texas meetup on Saturday. In the morning everybody.

John C. Dvorak (151:10)

I'm Adam Curry and from Refinery Row, I'm John. John C. Dvorak.

Adam Curry (151:15)

We'll be back on Sunday. Please remember to Support us@noagendadonations.com until then. Adios mofos. A hooey, hooey and such. I ate a giant burrito before the big dance now there's a biological weapon in my pants I'm a JDJ DJ D Vance it started with a quiver and a shaky perchance Then a wet little sound made a sudden entrance the smell hit the air like a poison lance and everyone around me began to look at my pants I'm the J D JD J Dance I'm the JD JD JD I tried to run away with a heavy legged prance but the swish in my socks felt like sticky deliverance the waistband is groaning in a tight grievance on the back of my den I'm losing all its resonance I'm the JDJ DJ Divance I'm leaking out trouble with every advance I should have used a toilet not left it to circumstance all pants, pants A brown renaissance trapped in a fabric of heavy governance don't look down, don't take a glance I made a huge mess in the seat of my pants A soggy disaster A stinky mischance Doing the I poop myself wiggle dance I'm waddling home in a crusty trance say goodbye to my dignity and my favorite pants I'm the JD JD J. What am I going to say? I'm walking down your street what am I going to say? What am I going to say? But you don't live there anymore I miss you what am I going to say? We got nothing to say to each other what am I going to say?

John C. Dvorak (153:39)

I miss you, Adam.

Adam Curry (153:44)

Oh, I really miss this guy. I miss you.

John C. Dvorak (153:52)

I never thought I'd think that Brunetti

Adam Curry (153:55)

said oh, I talked to John. Oh, I talked to John. Talk to John I never thought I'd send it. No, I talked to John. What am I gonna say? Okay, now I gotta talk to John. I really miss this guy Miss this guy. I miss you. I miss you,

John C. Dvorak (154:31)

By the way. I miss you, Adam. I miss you, Adam. Miss you, Adam. Everybody out there should note that 18

Adam Curry (154:41)

years is a long time.

John C. Dvorak (154:42)

Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards,

Adam Curry (154:46)

or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah. You're stuck in the mud. Just a sitting duck. Waiting on a miracle and wishing for some luck. But the engines blow and the tires are stuck. You're screaming at the sky like a soul sucking puck. Life threw a punch and you didn't even duck. Now you're face down in the middle of the muck. Yeah, you're absolutely out of luck. Driving through the chaos in a rusted out truck. You're a bottom beating bottom. Just a worthless shuck running out of time and you don't give a fuck. The gears are all grinding.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (155:32)

Finding the system is struck.

Adam Curry (155:34)

You're just another victim of the cosmic amok. Deep in the muck. Absolutely struck. Just fucking watch. The best podcast in the universe. Mofo Devorak. Org. Na.

News Reporter / Clip Speaker (156:08)

That's quite an improvement.