1859 - "Splashdown"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1859 “Splashdown” (April 12, 2026)

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Theme: Deconstructing Media, Culture, Politics, Tech, and War – with a Focus on the Ongoing Iran War, Melania Trump’s Epstein Statements, Artemis Splashdown, AI/Altman, UFO/Disclosure, and more.

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Episode Overview

In this densely packed episode, Adam and John provide their signature “media assassination” on a wide range of pressing issues: the status of the Iran war and the shifting ground of the peace talks, the media and political reaction to Melania Trump’s comments around Epstein, skepticism around the Artemis lunar mission, the firebombing attempt at Sam Altman’s home alongside broader AI discussion, the ongoing culture war, the hype (and potential op) around UFO/Disclosure, and the latest listener contributions and community meetups.

With plenty of biting humor, listener interaction, “ISO” audio clips, and riffs on media and government narratives, the show remains fast-moving yet deep, offering unique insight and skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Melania, Epstein, and the Weaponization of Accusations

Timestamps: 03:28 – 25:38, 74:18 – 80:14

• Melania Trump’s Unusual Statement: Melania publicly and forcefully denied any relationship with Epstein or Maxwell, referenced online slander, and called for Congressional testimony for Epstein victims – surprising both the media and DC insiders.

  • Quote [08:48, Melania]: “Each and every woman should have her day to tell her story in public if she wishes.”

• Media/Political Fallout:

  • The reaction, especially from mainstream and blue-check/late-night circles (e.g., Jimmy Kimmel, Megyn Kelly), was confusion bordering on hysteria.
  • Quote [13:10, Megyn Kelly]: “Are you confused? Me too.”
  • JCD: “This is about weaponizing the issue … shut up or put up.”

• Legal Moves: Melania is actively suing media personalities and outlets for defamation—e.g., the Daily Beast, HarperCollins, James Carville (who was forced to apologize).

• Congressional Testimony Gambit: Adam and JCD deduce that calls for sworn victim testimony aim to break NDAs and reveal the lack of direct evidence against Trump—a “shut up or put up” strategy.

• Skepticism on ‘Victims’: Dvorak and Curry probe which actual victims would/could testify (given most reportedly received settlements and signed NDAs) and lampoon media/attorney Gloria Allred’s role in shaping the public narrative.

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2. Iran War, Peace Talks, and the Vance Algorithm

Timestamps: 15:00 – 71:31

• Setting: Ongoing Iran war, day 43, fragile US/Iran ceasefire after weeks of conflict.

• US Delegation to Islamabad: VP J.D. Vance, Kushner, and Steve Witkoff meet with Iranian leadership, hosted by Pakistan (as a proxy for China)—the highest-level talks since 1979.

  • Vance’s mission: secure Iranian denuclearization/ballistic missile limits and ensure open shipping through the Strait of Hormuz.
  • Quote [44:21, Vance]: “We’ve made very clear what our red lines are...and they have chosen not to accept our terms.”

• Trump’s “Reverse Credit” Logic

  • Trump sets a classic vice presidential trap: “If it doesn’t happen, I’m blaming JD Vance. If it does happen, I’m taking full credit.”
  • Vance, previously a non-interventionist, now set up as the likely scapegoat for failed negotiations.

• Iran’s Negotiator Mohamed Ghalibaf: Characterized as regime insider, military-to-political elite, possibly a preferred “future partner” in Iran by the US.

• China and the Back Channel:

  • Show explores how Pakistan is acting on behalf of China to push Iran to the table—“thumb on the scale.”
  • Quote [67:13]: “China has been trying to keep its economy afloat and... said we need to push this towards negotiations.”

• Energy Realpolitik: Adam clarifies for listeners why US gas prices surge even though America doesn’t need Iranian oil: as prices rise globally, domestic companies simply sell into the global market for additional profit.

• Wild Cards:

  • Speculation that Vance’s likely “failure” is engineered to make Rubio the next golden boy.
  • Megyn Kelly (and others) claim Netanyahu manipulated Trump into war, but Israeli sources and show hosts point out “extraordinary journalism” lacks first-hand sources—just a narrative.

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3. Culture/Cultural Malaise & “Complain Grifting”

Timestamps: 03:33 – 15:00; 80:12 – 84:41

• Mental Health Malaise: JCD shares a “boots on the ground” anecdote from his liberal Austin hairdresser—clients are getting cancer, birth rates are down, no one’s having sex.

  • Diagnosis: Adam and JCD posit antidepressant overprescription as a driver—wrecking libido, contributing to population decline.

• Complain-Grifting:

  • The show critiques “complain grifting”—engaging in non-stop, often performative, complaints to keep an audience captive, seen in podcasters flip-flopping or amplifying panic for clicks.

• Megyn Kelly’s Hysteria:

  • Kelly is lampooned for her “post-mortem” on Trump/Netanyahu/Iran, using over-the-top cancer metaphors and new polling claims to bemoan supposed mass abandonment of Trump by his base.
    • Quote [89:38, Megyn Kelly]: “...that is how he died. That’s how this feels. A bunch of experts looking at the guy we trusted saying, who made him do this?”

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4. Artemis “Splashdown” Skepticism

Timestamps: 25:38 – 30:50

• Coverage of Artemis 2 Lunar Mission: Despite the successful splashdown of the Orion lunar module after a record-breaking journey, conspiracy theories run rampant on Reddit and elsewhere about its authenticity.

  • Adam voices frustration that NASA still avoids directly addressing Van Allen radiation belt risks and repeatedly using the same “beautiful” space imagery.

• Dvorak’s Take: JCD remains unimpressed—“So what? $20 billion. Great.”

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5. AI, Sam Altman, and Silicon Valley Sociopathy

Timestamps: 31:05 – 43:14

• Breaking News: Firebomb attack at OpenAI CEO Sam Altman’s home draws sanitized media coverage, obscuring motives.

  • John spins a theory that AI’s hollow comfort/dishonesty can breed intense isolation for users—tying in a viral skit of ChatGPT failing to properly time a jog.

• Sam Altman Deep Dive: Dylan Farrow’s expose in The New Yorker portrays Altman as a habitual liar, “pathological”—to the point he couldn’t keep track of his own fabrications, even on trivial matters.

  • Quote [38:05, Dylan Farrow]: “A majority of those people really did say some variation on the theme of he’s a pathological liar…”

• AI Compute Arms Race: Adam discusses how regular gamers are now leasing out powerful GPUs to the AI arms race, “routing around” the data center bottleneck via peer-to-peer platforms—ushering in decentralized AI hardware economics.

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6. UFO/UAP Disclosure, Hollywood Ops, and Military Marketing

Timestamps: 108:25 – 130:43

• String of Mysterious Deaths: Renewed attention on numerous unexplained scientist deaths/disappearances linked to NASA, nuclear/energy sectors—framed as potential foreign espionage or “something stranger.”

• UFO Disclosure as Media/Military Marketing:

  • Recent surge in UFO/UAP “disclosure” efforts—whistleblowers, hearings, and now a wave of Hollywood tie-ins (Jerry Bruckheimer, Apple, new Bryce Zabel/Brent Friedman podcast) and media products.
  • Adam sees this as a coordinated military-industrial “slow rollout disclosure program” designed to goose funding for space, surveillance, and defense—all tied to current war theaters (Iran, Yemen, Persian Gulf).
  • Quote [127:14, Podcast excerpt]: “We’d like to have you integrate … some truth in the form of facts, maybe even some media … kind of a slow rollout disclosure program.”

• Trump’s Response: Announces intent to direct the “Secretary of War” to declassify government files on “aliens, UAP, and UFOs” to head off (and capitalize on) the “disclosure” narrative kicked off by Obama.

• Hosts’ Conclusion: All parties (Hollywood, government, military) are incentivized to keep the UFO/UAP story alive for funding and distraction—“all complete military marketing.”

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7. Listener Meetups & Community Vibe

Timestamps: 158:33 – 165:30

• Reports From the Field: Long, spirited meetup reports from Osaka and Fredericksburg—with listeners and producers sharing how the show connects them, quirky local stories, and live donations for “dame” and “knight” status.

• Producer Contributions:

  • Gifts at meetups (e.g., gold coins, Manuka honey).
  • Emerging traditions: health/job “karma,” birthday callouts, and the ongoing value-for-value support model (“no ads, no paywall, ever”).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Melania Standing Up:

  • “I am not Epstein’s victim. Epstein did not introduce me to Donald Trump. The first lady added she never traveled on his private jet or visited his island.” (Melania statement, [07:48])

• On Conspiracies & Congressional Hearings:

  • JCD: “If Congress asks you questions under oath and you have an NDA, you cannot be penalized...Of course, most of the survivors are going, no thanks.” ([21:08])

• Celebrity Reaction to the War Narrative:

  • Megyn Kelly: “Who made him do this? … The answer is Benjamin Netanyahu. And the man in the mirror for President Trump, his own hubris.” ([89:38])

• On the Artemis Mission:

  • Adam: “No one has explained the Van Allen Belts to me…It bothers me.” ([27:55])

• Tucker Carlson on American Decline:

  • “What’s happening in Iran is the end of American empire as we understand it. And that’s sad.” ([83:43])

• On AI and Altman:

  • Farrow: “Sam Altman appears to have been doing it (lying) so much that it was almost all anyone could talk about after dealing with him.” ([38:05])

• On UFO Disclosure:

  • “They want to have you integrate that into your show as part of what we would call a slow rollout disclosure program. Because we’re from a branch of the military that believes the truth does need to come out.” ([127:14, Podcast excerpt])
  • Adam: “This is all complete military marketing.” ([130:43])

• On Gas Prices & Open Markets:

  • Adam: “Because when the price of oil goes up, US companies…just sell it at a higher price.” ([48:36])

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• [03:28] – Melania, Media, and Epstein Rumors
• [08:48] – Melania’s Statement Calling for Hearings
• [25:38] – Artemis 2 Splashdown Recap and Skepticism
• [31:05] – Sam Altman Firebombing, AI Satire, and Silicon Valley Critique
• [38:05] – Dylan Farrow Details on Sam Altman’s Alleged Lying
• [43:14] – AI “Decentralized GPU Leasing” Trend
• [44:21] – Iran Peace Talks – Vance’s Statement
• [54:00] – JD Vance and the CAUSE/BLAME Game
• [74:18] – Megyn Kelly’s “Complain Grifting” Rant
• [84:41] – Tucker Carlson: American Empire Decline
• [108:25] – String of Mysterious Scientist Deaths / UFO Segment Starts
• [114:00] – Trump Orders UAP Disclosure Files to be Released
• [119:17] – Hollywood’s “Disclosure” Podcast Revealed as Military-Media Coordination
• [158:33] – No Agenda Meetups: Osaka, Fredericksburg

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Segment Structure

• Cold Open & Quick Banter: French dumping Windows for Linux; nostalgia for OS/2.
• War Updates: Weekly count, boots-on-ground in Austin/meetup tales.
• Deep Dives: Melania’s Epstein affair, legal moves, and the victim/congressional testimony “trap”; Iran talks.
• Science & Skepticism: Artemis 2 splashdown coverage/pushback; “missing” Van Allen belt talk.
• Tech & Culture: Sam Altman, AI’s social impact, the “Book of Knowledge” robot bit.
• UFO Disclosure Hype: Wave of “disclosure” operations, entertainment/media-military cross-promotion, and skepticism.
• Meetups: Global reports, recognition of producers and the value-for-value economy.
• Listener Engagement: Show ISOs, “Karma,” producer art leaderboard, and more.

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Tone/Language

The tone throughout is irreverent, skeptical, and conversational, matching the hosts’ “no bullshit” approach. The language includes sharp satire, in-jokes with listeners, and frequent riffs on media narratives—never taking official lines at face value.

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Useful for Non-Listeners Because:

• Explains both surface news and the media/political gamesmanship beneath.
• Includes analysis of why narratives gain traction (media incentives, political blame games, funding needs).
• Highlights how seemingly disparate stories (Epstein, UFOs, AI, war) are exploited for broader purposes (fundraising, distraction, community control).
• Provides timestamps, direct quotes, and community flavor (meetups, listener notes).

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For Further Engagement

• No Agenda Meetups: find/join real-world listener gatherings worldwide.
• No Agenda Art Generator: producers’ ongoing contribution of show art.
• Value for Value Model: no ads, direct audience support.
• Podcast apps recommended for live chat/interaction and quick updates (“modern podcast app”).

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“No BS, No Agenda.”

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

It splashed down at exactly 07.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, April 12, 2026.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is your award winning Kimonation Media Assassination Episode 1859.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Day 43 of the Iran war. And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from Refinery Row, where it turns out the French are going to Linux and dropping Windows, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's a, that's a. That's a good move by the French, I would say.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they said we're not gonna. We're not putting up with this stuff anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why would you. It's so broke. It's so broken, Lyn. I mean, Linux is real. It has its issues, but at least you get to fix it yourself. And Windows, it really, really, really is just a problem. You've been dead. But you love Windows. You're a Windows guy. Mm. Bring back OS 2.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, OS 2 was the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was really good.

[Adam Curry]

It was actually, until they. Yeah, that's a long story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although it never really ran smoothly. It seemed like it took up a lot of resources on those first early computers. It would be kind of. It was.

[Adam Curry]

And it was also sabotaged by Microsoft. It was really.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have proof of this?

[Adam Curry]

I don't have proof of anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey. Hey, jcd. How you feeling? How you doing? How you doing, Hartman?

[Adam Curry]

I'm hanging in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I went to.

[Adam Curry]

I actually went to the meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I was going to ask. You went?

[Adam Curry]

But we got rained out.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

In fact, it was the worst rain squall I've ever been in, in California in my entire life.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was it outside?

[Adam Curry]

No, it was inside. But there's, you know. But people aren't going to come or do anything if it's raining outside.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Because in California, the minute it rains, like, everyone becomes an idiot.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, this is true too.

[John C. Dvorak]

He can't drive.

[Adam Curry]

He can't drive.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are we doing?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's raining. That means I can go faster. It keeps the tires cool and the

[John C. Dvorak]

mudslides are fun to avoid. Yeah, it's great. So the big question though, because we had our meetup in Fredericksburg, which was fantastic, I might point out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm sure it was sunny too.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've had a lot of rain in the past few days. It did not rain during the meetup. But it was nice. It was nice. Cool temperature. It was good we had a lot of people, but everybody really wanted to know if any girls showed up in hot nurse uniforms.

[Adam Curry]

No. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

These guys have no imagination, no fun, no imagination. So I do have a quick boots on the ground. I went to Austin on Friday to my hair girl. Yeah. Yes, to the hair girl. And things are so bad in Austin now. She, she is certainly more liberal than anything, but she's kind of left of center, I'd say. But she, she's just a nice person who doesn't, she's like, yeah, whatever, she doesn't care. She doesn't, she doesn't get into infighting. But it's so. And we talk about what we're watching on, on TV mainly, but we'll talk about cultural things and I want to know what's going on with her clients because she has, you know, liberal 40 year old white women. That's pretty much her clients.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, perfect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is perfect for the show. And what we talk about, what have you been watching what shows? And so we're talking, says, I'm going to text you. I said, what? So I'm going to text you. Something like, this is odds. I pick up my phone, she texts, did you see the Melania documentary? I love that. It was so fantastic. She could not, she could not talk about this in her own salon. Yeah, isn't that sad?

[Adam Curry]

That's the nature of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then so here's the big boots on the ground. She says, everybody I know is no longer having sex and is getting cancer.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

And my obvious thought was, oh, vax.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It's the first thing I think of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes and no. It could just be. Also there's a lot of peer reviewed for whatever good that is. Study that definitely says that women have higher rates of cancer than they ever had before. But a lot of it is increased cortisol, immune suppression, endocrine disruption, tds, basically. And I believe that, I believe this.

[Adam Curry]

It could be some. Yeah, it could be an element.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then I was thinking, but what about the no sex? And I said, well, what do you mean? People aren't having sex anymore. I was like, but is this what your clients are saying? Yeah, they're having sex. And it took me the whole drive home and then Tina and I were talking about it and then, ah, of course, antidepressants. Antidepressants well known to completely wreck your libido, right? Yeah, antidepressants.

[Adam Curry]

I mean what most liberal women have are mentally ill. It's already been determined. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there are some studies out there. I don't want to say they're mentally ill, but I think they're over prescribed.

[Adam Curry]

They could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you look at the birth rate, because I looked all this up. The birth rate in Austin has just taken a nosedive. No one's, no one's having, no one's having sex. No one's making babies. It's concerning.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'd say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I think the sicker part, though, is the fact that she has to text you and she's standing right there and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And it was because of Melania. Hey, should we, do you mind?

[Adam Curry]

Did you ever watch that Melania thing?

[John C. Dvorak]

I did, yeah. Oh, I liked it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I, I couldn't watch it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I liked it. I, you know, I like that she, she has brought class back to the White House. You know, she has kind of a Jackie O. Vibe going on. Yeah, I liked her a lot. I thought it was really too bad, you know, people, people just despise her.

[Adam Curry]

Why? Well, she didn't do anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, do you mind if I still have a, a Melania breakdown? Because when we, when we finished up the show on Thursday, I saw out of the corner of my eye, I'm like, oh, what is this? Melania talks live. Something going on and it wasn't.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, right. I do have a clip on this, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's play your clip and then I'll do my breakdown.

[Adam Curry]

Where is my clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

Denies Jeffrey Epstein. How about Melinda? Melinda ON Epstein, npr.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got that, too. That's Melinda Gates.

[John C. Dvorak]

But let me do this because I've got the full breakdown on Melania.

[Adam Curry]

Play this Melania clip from my. It's a backgrounder.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, this is exactly what I have. Okay, here's a backgrounder.

[Adam Curry]

We do not know exactly why first

[John C. Dvorak]

lady Melania Trump spoke out yesterday, but she certainly did. She denied ever having a relationship with

[Adam Curry]

the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and with his co conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell. She also slammed reports and online rumors

[John C. Dvorak]

that she said connected her to Epstein.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

The lies linking me with the disgraceful

[Adam Curry]

Jeffrey Epstein need to end today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Months ago, the Justice Department released some,

[Adam Curry]

but not all, files related to Epstein and Maxwell. And personal correspondence in those files mentions Melania and her husband, President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

NPR's Sage Miller has more.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

For a first lady known for her mystique, it was a surprising moment to see her deliver a forceful answer to a question no one seemed to have asked. I am not Epstein's victim. Epstein did not introduce me to Donald Trump. The first lady added she never traveled on his private jet or visited his island. Both Trumps have denied any wrongdoing or knowledge of Epstein's alleged crimes. The first lady also addressed an email she sent Maxwell that was released by the Justice Department. My email reply to Maxwell cannot be categorized as anything more than casual correspondence. She stressed that fake images and statements of her and Epstein have been circulating for years. She cautioned people to not believe everything they see. Trump ended her statement by calling on Congress to let victims of Epstein testify. Each and every woman should have her

[John C. Dvorak]

day to tell her story in public if she wishes.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

It's unclear why the first lady decided to speak out now, but some Democrats in Congress have called on her to testify as part of the House Oversight Committee's investigation into Epstein.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, this. This was so much better than most people read it, and it didn't take long to figure it out. But first, let's. Let's look at the typical take from your mainstream. I don't know, let's take Jimmy Kimmel live. This was. This was pretty much all the Twitter threads and even, I'm sure, the blue cry threads of what had happened here.

[Adam Curry]

And why is this happening today?

[John C. Dvorak]

He spent the past six weeks trying to bomb this Epstein story out of the headlines. Two days after the ceasefire, she puts it right back on top. I love this. Well, you know, like, he tried to bomb Iran to get rid of the Epstein stuff, and now his wife is bringing it back. Oh, no. She must really hate him.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

She hates him.

[Adam Curry]

How else to explain?

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. So then a reporter gets hold of Trump, calls his phone. He says, I didn't know anything about

[Adam Curry]

this statement Melania made.

[John C. Dvorak]

He didn't know she was gonna do

[Adam Curry]

it before she did it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which shows you just how smoothly things

[Adam Curry]

are running over there.

[John C. Dvorak]

For whatever reason, she didn't ask, she didn't give him a heads up. She just went right out in front

[Adam Curry]

of the cameras and fired away. I am not Epstein's victim.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am my husband's victim. Remember that line? That'll come back. Introduce me to Donald Trump.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

I met my husband by chance at the New York city party in 1998. This initial encounter with my husband is

[John C. Dvorak]

documented in a detail in my book.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Melania.

[Adam Curry]

Only a member of the Trump family

[John C. Dvorak]

could turn a defiant speech about a pedophile into a plug for her book. This was five and a half minute speech. She demanded that Congress let the victims testify under oath, which is something Donald most definitely does not want to happen. Okay, so you expect dumbness from Jimmy Kimmel, and there's also always a couple of dumb trolls in the troll room. Like. Well, he's not wrong. Yeah. Because of course, now he. He went to war with Iran to cover up the Epstein stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Megyn Kelly, who has a team, you know, I was talking to Tina about this. Does Megan tell Kelly stuff? Producers? Yeah, he's got whole teams. You go staff, who's a lawyer. A lawyer. And this is her view of what happened.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

This has been over. Like, the administration has been doing its level best to move on from Epstein, which clearly is what Trump has wanted for months now. Epstein, who's still talking about Epstein. Then he threatened Lauren Boebert, he threatened Nancy Mace, he threatened Thomas Massie, he threatened MTG when she was still back in Congress pushing for more disclosures on Epstein. Trump did not want any more coverage of Epstein. And Todd Blanche, who's now the acting AG said, we're done disclosing ag DOJ done disclosing on Epstein, kind of putting an unofficial period to the whole story. Now the first lady of the United States comes out and demands more hearings. Okay, so some of these women did testify before Congress. They went in in September. Remember, some of them stood out in front of the Capitol and they spoke into the microphones that the day of that. And like, this has happened already. And now instead of saying, right on, Melania, thanks for standing up for us and making sure every single one of us can testify before Congress or whatever, I don't really know what Melania is calling for. And I don't know what the victims want at this point either. Most of them have been paid out by this Epstein fund already. If they have legit claims, or in some cases even if they might not but were able to convince somebody, in any event, they're not happy about this. The victims don't seem happy about this. I'm so confused. Are you confused? Me too.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm so confused. I'm a lawyer. I have a staff. I'm so confused. This. This comes back to what you. What has been bugging you and me about this, John, is these victims, what are they victims of? What exactly have the victims? What is their claim? So I go back, I look at the whole congressional record. Oh, yeah, there's been about three of them who have testified, but not a single one has testified in open Congress. They've only testified to the committee about the handling of the Epstein files. There's been no testimony about what happened to them, likely because they already got paid off and they're under NDA. But there's a couple of interesting things happening that, I mean, I had to go search for it. And the first one is because NPR didn't play it. I don't know if anyone else bothered playing it, but she is suing media outlets. Good afternoon.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

The lies linking me with the disgraceful

[John C. Dvorak]

Jeffrey Epstein need to end today.

[Adam Curry]

The individuals lying about me a devoid of ethical standards, humility and respect. I do not object to their ignorance, but rather I reject their mean spirited attempts to defame my reputation. I never been friends with Epstein.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Donald and I were invited to the same parties as Epstein from time to time since overlapping in social circles is common in New York City and Palm Beach.

[Adam Curry]

To be clear, I never had a relationship with Epstein or his accomplice Maxwell.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is going to play almost into your theory about high end hookers. But one step before that is all of these girls who wanted to be models. I mean, this is the same as Weinstein. Just like Christina's friend who, you know, kind of friend, who. The Dutch girl, the model who's texting, who's, you know, emailing and texting Epstein.

[Adam Curry]

Hey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Jeffrey. Oh, I really want to be a Victoria's Secret model. I can't wait to see you when I come to New York. I mean, this is nothing out of the ordinary. This is what Now, Epstein went to jail kind of for soliciting a minor who was, I think 14 at the time. But I'm pretty sure every single one of these victims In Congress was 16 or older and legal in whatever state they were in. But this story of Melania being trafficked to Trump by Epstein, she's suing people.

[Adam Curry]

She should.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm talking like big. And she mentions this, which is what npr. This is the only other Melania clip. And then I can get into some of this other stuff. It's funny. My attorneys and I have fought these unfound and baseless lies with success and

[Various Guests/Reporters]

will continue to maintain my sound reputation without hesitation. To date, several individuals and companies have

[Adam Curry]

been legally obligated to publicly apologize and

[John C. Dvorak]

retract their lies about me, such as Daily Beast, James Carville and Harper Collins. This I'm like, what? James Carville?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he, he, he slandered her and

[John C. Dvorak]

he had to apologize. Here it is.

[Adam Curry]

In last week's podcast episode, we spoke with Jud. After the episode, we received a letter

[John C. Dvorak]

from Melania Trump's lawyer.

[Adam Curry]

He took issue with our title of one of those YouTube videos from that episode and a couple of comments I made about the First Lady. We took a look at what they complained about, and we took down the video and edited out those comments from the episode. I also take back these statements and apologize.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never heard Carville take anything back of you. No, that guy doesn't take anything back. So they're serious.

[Adam Curry]

He usually doesn't get called out to do it. I'm sorry, it usually doesn't not get called out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, to do it?

[Adam Curry]

No, to do it. They just assume he's a lunatic and they just ignore him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but this is really about Michael Wolf. And Wolf, he. He is hammering on his podcast. And this, I think, is from the Daily Beast, who also are being sued that he. He maintains that this. This modeling agency guy pimped out Melania to Epstein and Epstein pimped her out to Trump. And he keeps saying it. Right?

[Adam Curry]

So I've always thought that Melania is a key part of the puzzle. What happened with Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump? Melania sheds an enormous amount of light. Melania with her relationship both to Epstein and then. And then how she came to. Into her relationship with. With Donald Trump.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Well, and also I think the world of modeling. Right. Because at the time, the currency.

[Adam Curry]

Central. Central to this story.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Okay, so we have a question from. A question from Carla Bruckner. There is one character in this story who seems to have flown under the radar. Paolo Zampoli. No one, as far as I know, has ever delved into how and under what circumstances he brought Melania to nyc.

[Adam Curry]

I can guarantee we are. We are delving and we will continue to delve.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Okay, so we have all had a masterclass in the heinous behavior of multiple model agency owners. But somehow Zampoli has evaded scrutiny. He arranged.

[John C. Dvorak]

He will.

[Adam Curry]

He will no longer evade that scrutiny.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Okay, good, because she's just reminding us. He arranged the party at the Kit Kat Club where Melania said she met her future husband. But he's still very much a part of the inner circle, as he is currently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oops, I killed it. Anyway, so this is why Melania is calling for sworn testimony from all of the victims on the Congressional Record in Congress. Very specifically, she says this, which NPR cut out because then it will all come to light what really is going on here. And that is a bunch like the Jean Lou Brunel who suicided himself another one of these modeling agency guys. These are the sleaze balls. Then, of course they're doing this. This is like, duh, this happens all the time. That's why she's very specific to say, I am not evicted, Epstein. Oh, because she probably met Trump at the Kit Kat Club because she was there as a model. But she wasn't pimped out and she probably wasn't whoring around like all the other women, sorry to say it. So she specifically asks for this to be on the record on the congressional. I'll just play it. Here it is.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

I call on Congress to provide the

[John C. Dvorak]

women who have been victimized by Epstein with the public hearing specifically centered around the survivors.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Give these victims their opportunity to testify

[John C. Dvorak]

under oath in front of Congress with the power of sworn testimony. Each and every woman should have her day to tell her story in public if she wishes.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

And then her testimony should be permanently

[John C. Dvorak]

entered into the Congressional Record.

[Adam Curry]

Then and only then, we will have the truth.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

So why on the Congressional Record? Because if you go before, before Congress and you're on the on the record and it goes, you know, it's a congressional hearing, you can break an NDA. I didn't know this, but. But if Congress asks you questions under oath and you have an NDA, then you cannot be penalized in any civil way for breaking that NDA. And wouldn't you know it, none of the so called victims, who of course were not victims of anything illegal, they just were trying to get ahead in life, can't blame him for that either. They don't want to admit that. And oh, there's our friend Gloria Allred. She's representing him.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

The first lady is now telling Congress to actually focus in more on Epstein's crimes with this statement and the women that he victimized. Joining us right now here in studio is Gloria Allred. She is an attorney who represents several of the women abused by Jeffrey Epstein. Gloria, thank you so much for being here.

[Adam Curry]

Please.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

What is your reaction, what you heard from the First Lady?

[Adam Curry]

Well, first, I'm very glad that she suggested that it's important that Congress have

[Various Guests/Reporters]

a hearing and allow the survivors to testify. I'm in support of that.

[Adam Curry]

I know my client, Alicia Arden and others would be in support of that. Not, of course, not all survivors agree with that. But I think it should be a

[Various Guests/Reporters]

choice for the survivors whether to testify or not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please don't force them to do it because then the truth might come out.

[Adam Curry]

They should not be subpoenaed to testify.

[John C. Dvorak]

They should be invited to testify and

[Adam Curry]

to say whatever they want to say

[Various Guests/Reporters]

about their abuse by every Jeffrey Epstein or anyone else.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's running cover like, well, no, they shouldn't be forced to testify. They need to be able to say no. And it's these Farmer sisters. They're the ones that are going in. And all they're doing is talking about how they've been victimized by Pam Bondi and President Trump. Oh, no, he's victimized us by releasing stuff. This is. I think Trump is right. This has always been a Democrat setup. And they got a huge bonus, which they weren't expecting is the Epstein, Mossad, blackmail, Kitty Fiddling, whatever. Israel Runs America. And Trump and his wife are coordinating now, like, shut up forever or we're going to haul you in front of Congress. And you have to on the record. And of course, most of the survivors are going, no, thanks, Gloria. Thank you for being here.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you very much.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

A group of survivors then put out a statement saying that the first lady

[John C. Dvorak]

was shifting the burden to them.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

They wrote in part, survivors of Jeffrey Epstein have already shown extraordinary courage by coming forward, filing reports and giving testimony. Asking more of them now is a deflection of responsibility, not justice.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is one big. One big ball of crumb. It's stupid. This is all I could come up with. It's just stupid. These women know very well how they got in that position. They got paid off by Jamie Dimon. Shut up. Just shut up. Here's your NDA. Here's your money. Just like Mia Weinstein has had his version of that. And the whole thing was weaponized by, of all people, Reid Hoffman. You remember that? I don't know if you ever saw that commercial where the victims have tape over their mouth and, like, we're not allowed to talk. None of them has spoken ever. None of them. None of them has ever testified. So this is what this thing is about is shut up or put up. And they're not going to. No one's going to want to testify because there's nothing there except for Epstein being a creep. I was surprised.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we'll track it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's. It's not. Nothing. Nothing else will happen now. You know that Congress is not going to force them to testify. Oh, we can't have that because then the. The jig is up. Say, how old were you?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

18. Oh, what were you doing? I was trying to get a modeling contract. Yeah, okay.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. And I'm. Hey, that's how a lot of the world works. If that's what women want to do, that's fine. But then this was weaponized.

[Adam Curry]

All right, I think you made your point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Let's at least get a couple things out of the way. Top news stories Yes. I just have the quick overview of the Artemis splashing down. And now everybody thinks it's all fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. What? Tonight.

[Adam Curry]

Splashdown. Splashdown confirmed. Ten days after lifting off from Kennedy Space center and traveling further than any human has traveled before, a new chapter of the exploration of our celestial neighbor is complete. Those four Artemis 2 astronauts are now home. All four crew members are in excellent shape. The Orion spacecraft landing in the Pacific off Southern California just after 8pm Eastern time. We have crossed the threshold. Now entering the Earth's atmosphere. They entered the Earth's atmosphere traveling 32 times the speed of sound. 45 times faster than a commercial airliner. That heat shield protecting the astronauts from temperatures of up to 5,000 degrees. The heat and plasma knocking out all communications between the crew and mission control

[John C. Dvorak]

for six excruciating minutes.

[Adam Curry]

They knew this would happen. This was the moment they regained contact.

[John C. Dvorak]

Integrity. Houston, comm check. Post blackout.

[Adam Curry]

Houston, integrity. We have you loud and clear. And there go the first series of parachutes. Those parachutes deploying, slowing the spacecraft down to about 20 miles an hour before it hit the water. Sending post landing command now. And the initial. You can hear it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The crew carefully brought out of the

[Adam Curry]

spacecraft by Navy divers, one at a time. Commander Reid Wiseman the last one to be removed. Reid Wiseman, out of the vehicle. All four crew members now out of integrity. It's the culmination of a 10 day,

[John C. Dvorak]

nearly 695,000 mile journey around the far

[Adam Curry]

side of the moon, breaking the record, traveling further from the Earth than any human has before.

[John C. Dvorak]

And why do people think it's fake?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Well, you used to.

[John C. Dvorak]

You said it.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm just saying, you see, there's all you can go on Reddit or. And you'll find tons of threads. Yeah, this is fake. This is. Here's why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's more fun. It's more fun to say it was real.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, no one has said it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one has explained the Van Allen Belts to me. That never came up.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't even mentioned.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. No.

[Adam Curry]

Was it all. Is it Van Allen belt? Bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

As far as I know, it's real and it's supposedly very dangerous and there's radiation and, you know, no one ever said these are special radiation suits.

[Adam Curry]

They don't. They never say, well, we snuck over here where it's really low and you can get through it in five seconds.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

They never even mention it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

And that's. That bothers me too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I'm just not impressed. Okay. So you flew around the moon. Well, didn't Apollo 11 do that too? Yeah, they went around the dark side of the moon. Oh, this one went further. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It went further out.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you got beautiful pictures of Earth.

[Adam Curry]

Same old pictures.

[John C. Dvorak]

Same old pictures. Beautiful pictures of the moon. Zoom in on the flag, people.

[Adam Curry]

That flag's bleached out. They've already said so. I'm pulling it apart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, zoom in on the bleached out flag. They can look at a bald spot on your head from space on Earth. You're telling me that they couldn't zoom in on the flag and say it's bleached out? And what's with the.

[Adam Curry]

There it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's with the missing pixels? You hear this?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there was some, some picture. And in the black of space where there's no stars, that's always baffling to me. They.

[Adam Curry]

Light pollution. I mean, the moon itself is a light polluter. I, I've never, I've never bought into the argument, but you can't see the stars if you're on the moon and the sun's bouncing off the thing. The thing is so bright, it's. It's like a giant being on a giant light bulb. We can't see. I can't see stars from, From Berkeley because there's too much light pollution. So, I mean, I don't think. Well, that's bogus to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

At a full moon in Fredericksburg, I can see plenty of stars.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you don't have light pollution then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course we have light. Whatever. The pixels. So in the black of no star space, there's little pixels that are white. And people like, what's this? And NASA says, oh, no, those pixels, they just got lost. It's a Glitch. This is 2026. In the Pixel glitch that went away with Apple's notebook. Apple 2 color, color 2 notebook. We had five pixels missing. This is. Anyway, so what? So what? $20 billion. Great.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not impressed and you aren't.

[Adam Curry]

Obviously you're not.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but you're not either. Well, I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not that impressed. No, I am impressed by the precision. They said about an hour before it lands, it's going to land. It's going to splash down at 07. And despite all the variables with the, with the opening of the parachutes, it splashed down at exactly 07.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

I was impressed with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's impressive. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So, okay, another news story then. Let's move to this one. Firebombing oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sam Altman's home. That was interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Tonight, San Francisco authorities are investigating a brazen firebombing attack at the home of Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, one of the leading artificial intelligence companies in the world. A law enforcement source says this image obtained by the San Francisco Standard shows

[Various Guests/Reporters]

the suspect someone threw a Molotov cocktail sticky bomb at the gate of Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI's residence.

[Adam Curry]

Police responding to the home shortly after 4am that Molotov cocktail setting an extra exterior gate on fire. Then less than an hour later, police say the same suspect threatened to burn down OpenAI's headquarters. There's a subject threatening to burn down the building. Security sees after holding a jug, claims there's kerosene in there. Authorities arresting a 20 year old man. And tonight, Sam Altman breaking his silence, posting this touching image of his family saying, quote, normally we try to be pretty private, but in this case I am sharing a photo in the hopes that it might dissuade the next person from throwing a Molotov cocktail at our house.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think this is just the beginning.

[Adam Curry]

What do you think the problem with this news coverage, you know, this is a good story. Can't they get us the motive?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, you can't be rocking the boat. I'm sure some AI companies are. Look, everyone's getting sponsored by Anthropic these days. Rogan's even. No, perplexity. Perplexity. They're sponsoring people and we're not supposed to rock the boat about AI. And they also don't care. This human interest story, Sam Altman and his family. Oh, look, he's gay, he has a family. That's the point of the story. I don't know. Obviously this guy's mad because his whole life has been destroyed. He started talking to his chatgpt and he just became lonelier, which, which is what the research shows. And maybe it was this guy, you know, you played one of those, you play that guy with the piano music where he's asking chatgpt stuff and it gives him stupid answers.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's great.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this, so I got one of those for you. So this guy is going to run a mile and he's going to tell his.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yes, this is a. I've seen this one. This is funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's gonna tell his chatbot to time him and he, he starts the timer and, and, and says within six seconds. Okay, I'm back, I'm gonna run a

[Adam Curry]

mile and you just time me. How Long it takes. Okay, when I say go, you got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll be ready. Just say go when you start, and I'll keep track.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Ready? Go.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I've started timing. Just focus on your run and I'll be here when you get there.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I'm back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Welcome back.

[Adam Curry]

I've got your time right here.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do you feel about that?

[Adam Curry]

How long was it? What?

[John C. Dvorak]

You clocked in at around 10 minutes.

[Adam Curry]

I swear I was faster than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sometimes it feels faster in the moment.

[Adam Curry]

No, like, I think I was closer to, like, two seconds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, if only time worked that way. But I promise I'm giving you the real time.

[Adam Curry]

You time me for 10 minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I promise I didn't sneak any extra seconds in there. But if you want to go for a shorter fast.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, but, like, if you. If you're not able to do this, you can admit it. It's okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's totally okay to double check me, but I promise I'm doing my best if you ever want to do so.

[Adam Curry]

You got 10 minutes. I. It took me 10 minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep, yep.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, perfect.

[John C. Dvorak]

These things lie to make you feel good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think that's. This is not the bubble bursting yet, but it will.

[Adam Curry]

Onward to the next item.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was going to say something else. What's wrong with you?

[Adam Curry]

I'm nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you bored with everything today? Everything's boring.

[Adam Curry]

I'm pretty bored. Yeah, you're right. Well, there's more AI stuff. Okay, I go. If you got AI material, I'm all ears.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was just going to say. Well, no, never mind. Let's do something. I got AI material. I got something for you. I fixed our robot.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, hold on a second. Let me write this down. Time. What was the time and date?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay, and would you like.

[Adam Curry]

This robot has yet to be fixed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would you like to ask a question of said robots? Because the robot. We've brought back a familiar name. The robot is now the Book of Knowledge. We have brought the Book of Knowledge back. Go ahead, ask me a question, and I'll ask the book of Knowledge.

[Adam Curry]

Hello, robot. How old is Adam Curry today?

[John C. Dvorak]

How old is Adam Curry today? According to the Book of Knowledge, Adam Curry was born on September 3, 1964, making him 62 years old today on April 12, 2026. Thus it has been written.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

The robot. The robot is fixed.

[Adam Curry]

You've added a bunch of flourishes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course I have to make it. Hey, what other. What other podcast has the Book of Knowledge?

[Adam Curry]

No, none. Of course, we were the only ones

[John C. Dvorak]

but here's the thing. Adam Curry was born on September 3rd, 1964, making him 62 years old today. I'm pretty sure I'm 61.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's wrong. Of course it's wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it's wrong. But it does, when you need it, it does work. It's there.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. We're going to use it a couple of times during the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, good.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Since we're talking about AI and Altman, I do. Had to, I promise. This clip. This is Dylan Farrow came out with this story that ran in the New Yorker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is the Woody Allen kid. Mia Farrow. The good looking kid. No, the Mia Farrow and jfk, A junior.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, this is Frank Sinatra.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Frank Sinatra, that's right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Straight.

[John C. Dvorak]

I forgot she was a victim of Frank Sinatra. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And he. This is a little interview they had with him. This is Farrow on Altman. Ultimately, a few years after the founding of OpenAI, this was in late 2023, was fired by board members and executives who simply felt he was lying too much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course he got fired. Yeah, it was. And. And he wound up kicking that effective altruism girl off of the board and brought in.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he managed to worm his way back in. Good work.

[John C. Dvorak]

He would. But he was fired specifically because the board had lost trust in him. They had no. It was a lack of confidence.

[Adam Curry]

This is an extraordinary thing, Katie. Silicon Valley is built on hype, empty promises. Right. Valuations that skyrocket long before there's a product that actually works for anyone. This is on such a scale that even with that baseline expectation where, frankly, I think we've entered an era where people just embrace as a cost of doing business, a degree of dissembling. Sam Altman appears to have been doing it so much that it was almost all anyone could talk about after dealing with him. And we interview more than a hundred people and we uncover hundreds of pages of internal records. A majority of those people really did say some variation on the theme of he's a pathological liar. Actually, multiple people unprompted by us use the term sociopath. And this is everything from very minor things. We document earlier cases in his career where also there were efforts to force him out of jobs amidst allegations of dishonesty. And at one early startup, you know, he was claiming to everyone he was a champion ping pong player. And then they played ping pong in the office. He was one of the worst players in the office. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Sam, you know, his responses on

[Adam Curry]

each of these are documented in the piece. I hope you look, he says on that I was probably joking. But then it also extends to serious cases. You know, before his firing, there was a situation where he assured board members that the most controversial features of a new model had been safety tested. Turns out they hadn't. When they looked into that, there was a breach where a new untested model was leaked into India to the public. And he didn't mention that. In hours of briefing with board members, we talk about how these concerns about honesty deepened the rift with that competitor. I mentioned, Dario Amadei. There's a moment in this piece where there's been an investment from Microsoft. They're doing a big deal with Microsoft. And Sam is assuring Dario Amadei that Microsoft has not inserted any provisions that override the company's safety provisions that are in their own charter. And Sam says this provision that might threaten the safety concerns is not there. And Dario literally points to it and brings in another colleague to verify that it's there. And then Sam says, oh, well, you know, sure, but who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

So what's Farrow doing with this? Is this going to be a book or is it going to be the documentary? What is. What is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, right now, it started off as a large New Yorker piece. It's available right now, and I should send it to you for the show notes. I didn't. Maybe roll it out as an AI book of some sort would be a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's what I learned over the past few days. You know, all these data centers, everyone's scrambling the hyperscalers to get data centers so we can run all this stuff and everybody can get instant knowledge on demand. So I'm. I'm doing some. Some vibe. You should ask J.C. about this. I'm doing some vibe coding. And I. So I need. Because I. I don't want to necessarily use these big frontier models from all these companies for two reasons. One, already they're jacking up the price. Then they're doing it in interesting ways where anthropic with Claude, they have these timeout windows, the way they price it. So you have, for a hundred dollars a month, you get X amount of model usage. But then after four hours, they time you out and you have to wait two hours before you can get back on. And all of a sudden everyone's noticing that early in the morning, it's not four hours, but it's two hours. So they were speeding up the timeline that you could use it, which is the same as charging you more money. Because you can add on, you know, $25 and get more if you want. So they're already jacking up the price and they say, oh no, we're doing it differently now. We're going to make a double speed between 8am and 11am Pacific Standard Time. This is how bad it is, how much they're undercharging. So that's part one and part two is I don't trust them. So I want to run like whisper models for getting transcripts and doing a couple other things. And I find these two companies, RunPod and Vast, and you can rent like a 5090, which is an Nvidia card. So the 5090 thing is there. Blackwell or whatever that that chip was one of the most modern ones and you can rent it for about 30 cents an hour. And it turns out that these companies are front companies for some dude's gaming computer. So what? Yes. Instead in Estonia. So instead of getting locking into a data center and renting a gpu, anybody can, you can earn money, you got a gaming computer, just put it up on Vast and then people can rent it from you. So you can, you can rent. This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. They're completely routing around this whole data center thing. I thought it was fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Some dude, some dude playing World of Warcraft. I'll stop playing. I'll make 15 cents an hour off of curry. It's great. So once this stuff gets out, we'll see. But we can't have it now because, you know, Trump can't use that because he's too busy with war. And we might as well play the hot news of the day. This is the breaking, breaking breaking breaking news from this morning. There was a real sense of optimism

[Adam Curry]

as Vice President J.D.

[John C. Dvorak]

vance arrived arrived in Islamabad along with

[Adam Curry]

special envoy Steve Witkoff and the President's son in law, Jared Kushner. Just hours earlier, the Iranian delegation had also arrived in the capital city led

[John C. Dvorak]

by the speaker of Parliament Mohammed Bagr

[Adam Curry]

Gallaba and Foreign Minister Abbas Arakchee.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was hosted by the Pakistanis who helped broker the ceasefire so the talks could happen. The first high level face to face meetings between top American and Iranian political leaders since the 1979 revolution.

[Adam Curry]

And after 21 hours of marathon talks,

[John C. Dvorak]

including multiple calls to President Trump, Vice President vance emerged at 6am local time.

[Adam Curry]

We've made very clear what our red lines are, what things we're willing to accommodate them on and what things we're not willing to accommodate them on. And we've made that as clear as we possibly could and they have chosen not to accept our terms. According to according to Vance, the key

[John C. Dvorak]

sticking point was Iran's refusal to agree

[Adam Curry]

to never develop a nuclear weapon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Ismail Bagai said the US Made excessive demands but downplayed the apparent breakdown. One should not have expected that we could reach an agreement in a single session, he said.

[Adam Curry]

And while that may not have been

[John C. Dvorak]

the Iranian delegation's expectation to end the

[Adam Curry]

punishing six week war, the US Delegation

[John C. Dvorak]

left the talks more definitively.

[Adam Curry]

We leave here with a very simple proposal, a method of understanding. That is our final and best offer. We'll see if the Iranians accept it. Throwing into question whether the shaky cease fire would hold, if further talks would

[John C. Dvorak]

be held, and whether US Forces would

[Adam Curry]

return to direct combat.

[John C. Dvorak]

So do you have anything on this? I got a couple more things here, but do you have any?

[Adam Curry]

I have a bunch of stuff, but yeah, this is a joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it seems like they've just come down to one thing and the one thing is you can't make nuclear material and they balked at that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they definitely want to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if you listen to. Who is this? This is cbs. Maybe it's who's the girl on CBS Face the Nation?

[Adam Curry]

That's Brennan, Margaret Brennan.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she, she's so out of her mind with, with Trump, with the Trump algo, which I guess she still hasn't seen how it works that she has on Mike Turner. He's the Republican from Ohio, the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and she won't even let him talk for her. Just outrage over the president and his handling of the war.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

So use of the president has been very clear here in his goals and intent. Art polling shows the American people aren't persuaded in the same way you are. Let me run through some of the things he said on the Hormuz Strait at the outset of the war. March 3, he said the Navy would begin escorting tankers. No matter what, the US Will ensure the free flow of energy to the world. March 9, he said he was still thinking about taking it over. March 15, he said it was someone else's problem. Our allies would take care of it. Maybe we shouldn't even be there. We don't need it. We have a lot of oil. Six days later, he threatened online the US Would attack Iran's power plants if it didn't open the Strait within 48 hours. March 26, he went back to blaming allies, saying he's disappointed in NATO, Margaret. He announced a two week ceasefire.

[Adam Curry]

Conflict is going to be.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Iran had agreed to open the strait. I'm not done. Because yesterday, conflict is going to be fluid. CENTCOM announced they're sending two ships to set the conditions for clearing maize this morning. Morning. He said the Navy's gonna start blockading the strait and interdict ships. Is that the final answer? I mean, can you see here why the public doesn't think your adversary has a clear strategy?

[Adam Curry]

Your adversary has a vote in this, too, and they have a position in it, too, which. There were just negotiations just yesterday.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

They changed. What?

[Adam Curry]

They changed just yesterday. There were negotiations and literally Iran had an opportunity just yesterday to save the world. We're not going to pursue a nuclear weapon, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the President confused. Margaret. Yes, of course. And part of this, you know, before. I was lucky to get this before J.D. vance left for Islamabad. And we cannot overlook the fact that this is Pakistan clearly negotiating on behalf of China, because China needs the oil. We don't need the oil. I mean, we need this oil for what? Tar and asphalt? You're the oil guy.

[Adam Curry]

No, the Venezuelan oil does that.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what do we need? The Iranian oil?

[Adam Curry]

We don't need that oil at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here's a question then, because everyone keeps asking me this. If we don't get our oil from Iran and we have our own oil and we make gasoline to drive our cars, why is the price of gasoline so expensive everywhere?

[Adam Curry]

Because when the price of oil goes up, US American companies take a look at the market and say, hey, we can sell the oil on the open market for more money than we can, you know, just giving. Just using it here. And so let's take advantage of the moment and make a few extra bucks if we have to jack up the price of the local oil because, you know, it's an international product. And so it's like a fool. You'd be an idiot not to just not to sell it at a higher price.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly what I said. So this is the open market. Have you ever noticed that the gas stations in America have digital signs and that number changes sometimes five times a day? Yeah, because that's how it works, right?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, we have suppressed the possibility of it going through the roof, but at the same time, these guys are. I mean, you're ExxonMobil, Chevron. You're going to look at this, look at the opportunity here. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then people say, well, how come it was so low for so long? It's the same market like the. The Chevron goes down by 5 cents. Exxon goes, oh crap, we gotta go down by 6 cents. And then he b, you know, cuts it by 10 cents. Yeah, that's the American way. But people don't realize how anything works. So I'm glad we're here, I'm glad we're here to explain it. So Vance says something interesting because we had all of these 10 point plans, 15 point plans, 30 point plans, no point plans, special frequent flyer point plans, and he laid out exactly where all this nonsense came from. And surprise, surprise.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's very important for the American media to be honest with the American people on this particular issue because it affects not just, you know, the normal issues of public policy, it actually affects peace and war. And here's what I mean. So in the past couple of days I've seen a lot of reporting from the American Media about the 10 point proposal that the Iranians have made. Now, as I know, because I've been involved in this, there are three different 10 point proposals at least that I've seen floating around. The first 10 point proposal was something that that was submitted and we think frankly was probably written by chat GPT that was submitted to Steve Wyckoff and Jared Kushner that immediately went in the garbage and was rejected. There was a second 10 point proposal that was much more reasonable that was based on some back and forth between us, between the Pakistanis and between the Iranians. That is the 10 point proposal that the President was referencing in his truth yesterday. And then frankly, I've seen a third 10 point proposal that's even more massive, maximalist in the first 10 point proposal that's been floating around various social media channels. Now here's what's interesting about all this is that I've seen various organs, the New York Times, CNN, others pick up and run the original 10 point proposal based on little more than a random yahoo in Iran submitting it to public access television in the country of Iran, and then them saying that somehow represents the negotiating position of the government. It's the equivalent of somebody in, let's say a Democratic councilman in Boise, Idaho saying something crazy. The local public access TV picking up that crazy statement and then the New York Times running that as the position of the President of the United States. It doesn't make an ounce of sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vice President Vance still sucking the assumption that Wayne's World exists, who still has public access television.

[Adam Curry]

Not to mention it was this, the

[John C. Dvorak]

Iranian Wayne's World put something through. ChatGPT and New York Times picked it up. I Wouldn't put it past them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, I wouldn't either.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the whole fact that Vance is doing this, I find this to be.

[Adam Curry]

And not Rubio.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I. Well, here's.

[Adam Curry]

I agree with you. There's something fishy about it. Well, here I think it's done on purpose. So. So he's. So it's designed to fail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's the Bloomberg version of it.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Who's going to be attending? We know on the US side it's going to be JD Vance, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner. So all familiar names reportedly. On the Iranian side we have the speaker of the House, Mohammed Galiba, alongside the Iranian Foreign Minister, Abbas Arakchee as well. But I should just say, you know, as a reminder, the positions and the starting points are still so far apart in terms of what the US Is demanding out of Iran and what Iran are saying, what they would like to see in terms of translating this to a full cessation of hostilities. The US for their parts are saying that there should be no nuclear enrichment. They insisting that Iran should dismantle all of their nuclear sites, they should limit their ballistic missile capabilities. And of course, this is crucial to the Lebanon discussion. Stop. All stopped support for proxies. Iran, they are maintaining that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, crap. I think this is the wrong one. Hold on a second. This makes me mad. I got my clips mixed up. Well, well, the Bloomberg take was this. JD Vance was pushed forward to take this because he. Oh, here it is. This is the one.

[Adam Curry]

Vice President JD pbs. Vance is warning Iran not to play

[Various Guests/Reporters]

the US as he heads for negotiations

[Adam Curry]

aimed at ending the war. As the President United States said, if the Iranians are willing to negotiate in good faith, we're certainly willing to extend the open hand. If they're going to try to play us, then they're going to find that the negotiating team is not that receptive. President Donald Trump has tasked the member of his inner circle, who seemed to be the most reluctant defender of the six week old conflict, to now find a resolution.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Vance has long been skeptical of foreign military interventions.

[Adam Curry]

The Republican Vice President set off on

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Friday to lead mediated talks with Iran in Pakistan.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're looking forward to the negotiation.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's going to be positive. Vance's trip comes as a tenuous temporary

[Various Guests/Reporters]

ceasefire appears to be on the precipice of collapsing.

[Adam Curry]

The chasm between Iran's public demands and

[Various Guests/Reporters]

those from the US and its partner Israel seem irreconcilable.

[Adam Curry]

And in the US where Vance might

[Various Guests/Reporters]

ask voters in two years to make

[Adam Curry]

him the next president.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

There is growing political and economic pressure

[Adam Curry]

to wrap it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, I think it's the opposite. I'm with you. I think this is to have Vance fail.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Rubio can be the guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I think Rubio's been dubbed the guy. He's going to be the go to guy. Here's a series of clips from NPR Morning EDITION about Vance and how he set up to go there. This weekend's negotiations to end the war with Iran put some pressure on Vice President J.D. vance. Yeah.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Vance is leading the U.S. team that will meet for talks in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan. It's a big role for an Iraq war veteran whose political brand included opposition to American wars in the Middle East. His task now is to bring together two countries that have been enemies for almost half a century. Coming up, we'll discuss all this with Nicholas Burns, who was once the lead U.S. negotiator on Iran's nuclear program and U.S. ambassador to NATO in the wake of the 911 attack. First, let's get a preview of the negotiations.

[Adam Curry]

NPR White House correspondent Danielle Kurtzleben is covering the story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Danielle, good morning.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Hey, good morning.

[Adam Curry]

Why would the White House send J.D. vance to negotiate?

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Well, you know, he's been asked how he got pulled into all these negotiations and specifically if those previous non interventionist statements you all mentioned, if those might be a reason why he's been involved. And he's also been asked if Iranians requested that he be in negotiations. Vance responded to all of that by demurring, saying he'd be surprised if that's true. He really tried to downplay his role here, saying that he just thought he could make a difference, that that's why he's there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, did he not see this coming?

[Adam Curry]

I guess not. Let's go to two.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

But it has been reported that Vance was initially within this administration a loud voice against this war. So there's some logic to him playing a part in trying to end it. Not to mention that if he wants to run, say, the presidency in 2028, he'd probably like to be able to say he helped end a conflict that a lot of people disliked. But all of that said, Trump laid out a sort of classic vice presidential trap last week at an Easter breakfast. Here's what he had to say about peace negotiations.

[Adam Curry]

So if it doesn't happen, I'm blaming JD Vince. If it does happen, I'm taking full credit.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

You know, it sounds jokey, but Trump, Trump does love claiming a win and he doesn't like taking responsibility for losses.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is going to make it tough

[Adam Curry]

for Vance to get to a win here?

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Well, he's trying to broker a permanent peace between parties that don't even agree on what the current ceasefire is. For example, a big goal is to make sure the Strait of Hormuz is open. But that strait doesn't appear to be fully open right now, even after the ceasefire. And where things stand there has been really unclear. Trump this week even floated the idea of the US And Iran together charging fees for ships to pass through, though he didn't explain any further how that would work. And that said, though, yesterday on social media, Trump posted that Iran better not be his words charging tankers right now to pass through. But besides the strait, there's enriched uranium. Press Secretary Caroline Levitt has said it's a red line, that Iran turned that over. But that's after President Trump has waffled on that issue. Last week, he said in an interview that he does doesn't even care about the uranium. And again, here Trump has floated the idea of cooperating on social media. This week he suggested the US And Iran dig up uranium together.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually, somewhere I got a clip of him of him saying that, yeah, why don't we just charge fees together?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I heard that, too. The real problem is if they hadn't buried the enriched uranium with their own bombs, yes, they could have captured it and gotten out of there. But now this stuff's. It's a nightmare. I think it's a. I think it was. There was some, some error in strategy to go to part three. Okay, so how do you think Vance is likely to take up that challenge?

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Well, we don't have a track record to look at. Prior to being the vp, Vance was a senator from Ohio and only for two years. So he doesn't have a lot of international experience, but he's been less than diplomatic in the lead up to these negotiations. We can say that because when asked about accusations from the speaker of Iran's parliament that the US had violated points of the cease fire this week, Vance had this to say about that speaker.

[Adam Curry]

I actually wonder how good he is at understanding English, because there are things that he said that frankly didn't make sense in some of the, in the context of the negotiations that we've had.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Now, that doesn't mean Vice President Vance will be disagreeable or anything at the negotiating table, but it does show that, like his boss, he can be harsh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was interesting. I got the longer version of him talking about golly Buff is the guy's name. And this guy seemingly kind of came out of nowhere to be the negotiator. Here's the full clip of what J.D. vance said. It was clear that J.D. vance did not even know this guy was going to be at the table.

[Adam Curry]

I did see that tweet from Golly Boff actually just a couple, couple of minutes ago. And let me say a few things. First of all, he said that there are a few points of disagreement before the negotiation. Well, that must mean that there's a lot of points of agreement because there's a 15 point plan floating around, there's a 10 point plan floating around. If he's frustrated about three issues, that actually means that there's a lot of agreement. That's point number one, point number two, to respond to each of those issues. And I read it very closely. Let me just say this. I actually wonder how good he is at understanding English because there are things that he said that frankly didn't make sense in some of the, in the context of the negotiations that we've had. But to address the three points, first of all, he talked about an attack that had allegedly happened on Iran and how that was a violation of the cease fire. Cease fires are always messy. An hour after the President announced the cease fire, the Iranians launch a bunch of missiles. Then the Israelis responded. Then some of the Gulf Arab states responded. This is the nature of a cease fire. No cease fire ever goes without a little bit of choppiness. What we have been very clear about is that we want to stop the bombing, we want our allies to stop the bombing, and we want the Iranians to do the same thing. We're seeing evidence that things are going in the right direction, but it's going to take a little time. The second thing Golibov said, which again I found fair, fascinating, is he said, we refuse to give up the right to enrichment. And I thought to myself, you know what? My wife has the right to skydive, but she doesn't jump out of an airplane because she and I have an agreement that she's not going to do that because I don't want my wife jumping out of an airplane. We don't really concern ourselves with what they claim they have the right to do. We concern ourselves with what they actually do. And I think the President, President's been very clear on the enrichment question. Our position on that has not changed. Is he high?

[John C. Dvorak]

What, what is this analogy of his wife jumping out of an airplane?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that was pretty, that was piss poor. Yes, but he's trying to say that, okay, you have the right, but you're not, but you're not going to do it. But it seems, yeah, I have the right. I personally myself have the right to enrich uranium. Do I? But I'm not going to do it right.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this, you know, I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

It's weak. It's weak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very weak. And so France 24 ran a profile on this golly buff who I had not heard of before. But he's, he's got a lot of money. He has houses in, you know, France, his family went to France when, when stuff broke out. This guy is connected and I'm pretty sure he's working on behalf of, of the global elites on the other side of the table.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

He is Iran's chief negotiator to end the war in the Middle East. But 64 year old Mohamed Bagr Kalibaf has worn many hats in the Islamic Republic before becoming one of its most important figures. Born in 1961, he joined the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps upon its establishment in 1980. He was, he was 19 years old when he saw his first combat during the Iran Iraq War. He later developed close ties with General Qasem Soleimani and rose through the ranks of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard to become one of its commanders. In 1998, he was appointed commander of the IRGC's Aerospace Force before becoming chief of police command one year later. He ran unsuccessfully for president four times, but became mayor of Tehran, a position he held for more than a decade. In May 2020, Koliboff became Iran's parliamentary speaker, replacing Ali Larajani, close advisor to the late Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Both Khamenei and Larajani have since been killed in US Israeli airstrikes, making Koliboff one of the regime's most senior figures. Hierarchically speaking, since the death of Ali Larajani in the construction of the Islamic Republic, he was the one with the most power since he had been the speaker of parliament since 2020. So after Larajani's death, de facto he became the leader of Iran. Officially, though, Koliboff has publicly been one of the US And Israel's fiercest critics, repeatedly threatening both of them and Gulf countries. Online media reports say that he is one of the Iranian officials most favored by the Trump administration. According to Politico, he is one of several figures eyed by Washington to become a partner in Iran's future. And Israeli government sources have suggested U.S. officials have been in touch with Koliboff during the War. The parliamentary speaker has denied these claims.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so I think that's the guy that Trump says he's talking to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course he is. Exactly. And they did not brief Vance. They sent him off and say, yeah, that dude sent a tweet through ChatGPT and he's just saying stuff. I mean, Van should be mad.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you got, maybe you got Witkoff and Kushner standing in the background like Cheshire cats.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're basically his handler.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. This is not good for him. This is not good. So there's got to be some gambit waiting in the wings.

[Adam Curry]

And you know, you know Kushner's gonna be reporting back on, you know. Well, he did this, he said this, he said that. Like, you know, he's never done anything like this. And this is a bad move. You know, Kushner just looks like the type of guy who, who's just going to be basically spying on him and who shiv you. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

In jail. He's the guy with the shiv. No. Now, just for the Pakistan angle. Now this is not the first time Pakistan has been used between America and China. China used Pakistan to sneak Kissinger in when they were trying to open up China back in the day. And Sharif, I think the President's name is, he's one of the founding members of the Board of Peace and clearly a front for China, which this has to be all about.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Pakistan's Prime Minister Shabazz Sharif is hailed while arriving at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday evening, hours after the country broke at a two week ceasefire between the US And Iran.

[Adam Curry]

It's a good man, Iranian leadership.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would like to thank both the Iranian and American leadership for accepting my

[Adam Curry]

request and acknowledging Pakistan's seriousness and sincerity

[John C. Dvorak]

for the sake of peace. This was not an ordinary thing.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Also stated that delegations from both sides would be meeting in Islamabad this weekend for further negotiations, highlighting Pakistan's role as a key mediator in the conflict. The country has been courting the Trump administration since his re election, joining his Board of Peace and nominating him for the Nobel Peace Prize. Donald Trump often referring to Pakistan's army chief Asim Munir as his favorite Field Marshal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, and here's the report from NDTV which strings it all together. President Trump has told the AFP that he believes that China played a role in bringing Iran to the negotiating table as diplomatic efforts intensify to secure a cease fire deal. Let's talk a little bit about the China factor over here. China has very close relations with Iran. They have very close relations with Pakistan. Talks may be held in Islamabad or on Friday. Do you believe it is China actually persuading Iran to come on board with these talks? And I asked this because earlier Iran

[Adam Curry]

had said that they will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Were not willing to talk with the United States on the terms which the US had suggested.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, definitely. And, you know, this conflict has been getting to the point where many countries, many small countries are running out of fuel there, or they're getting close to running out of fuel. And the larger nations had to consider, you know, how are they going to meet their own needs and also supply those of the smaller countries around them and that are dependent on them. And they, as we have seen, are now moving in and trying to put their thumb on the scale, as we would say, and try to move this in a constraint sorted direction because they've got their own concerns. You know, China has been trying to keep its economy afloat and going strong, and it's been facing some financial headwinds. And now with this situation coming in, that was going to increase. And so definitely, I think China was a very key player in putting additional pressure because we had seen, you know, we've been, what, five weeks in this conflict and not seeing any positive movement towards the two sides reconciling or even opening talks. And so I think it was finally time that the Chinese said, yeah, we need to push this towards negotiations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. And Trump's got his meeting in Beijing in what, three weeks?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's coming up, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he probably has to do something today

[Adam Curry]

to,

[John C. Dvorak]

to make the markets go crazy one way or the other tomorrow morning. So maybe he, he pulls a victory out of the hat at the last minute and J.D. couldn't do it, but I did it, or J.D.

[Adam Curry]

that would be something I'd expect.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would, that would be the algorithm and that would, I mean, he's, as you say, he's got to wrap this up pretty quick, but this really, it's no, as you would say, no sweat off our balls. So he just wants to screw China, have them pay retail. And, and I still.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's not even screwing China. Have them pay retail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know, like everybody else.

[John C. Dvorak]

And here's the. Here's the joint venture clip. The Strait of Hormuz remains the most

[Adam Curry]

obvious choke point in any ceasefire or peace deal. For now, it remains firmly in Iran's hands. Shipping traffic is heavily limited. Vessels must coordinate with Iranian authorities as they sail through two narrow lanes to avoid mines.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Strait of Hormuz is open. Of course, there are Technical restrictions because of the war zone and because of many arrangements that Iran did during the war.

[Adam Curry]

It's a far cry from President Donald Trump's demand that the straits fully reopen or the claims from the White House that traffic will soon be flowing freely.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have said that they're going to

[Adam Curry]

start letting many more ships through. We'll watch as the day progresses, whether that's true or not. As part of its ceasefire proposal, Iran has demanded permanent control of the strait and wants to toll traffic passing through. Instead of rejecting that outright, Trump has suggested operating a joint venture. What about us? Gijing toast. Is that something you're concerned. I'd rather do that than let them have them run. Why shouldn't we? We're the winner. We won. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

We won. Okay. Just so you know, we won. I did hear. Did you see the note from our boots on the ground in the region?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You want to read it? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he says the reason why Israel continued to strike Lebanon is because Hezbollah was just hours away from a complete and total coup and would have been running the country. And that's why Bibi so mad that he had to stop that. That Trump made him stop. Yeah, I. That I think is probably verifiable. That was.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think it's doable. I think it would. Doable. I think it's possible because Hezbollah has always been within an inch of running the country anyway. Yeah, they're seen as good guys there. They're charitable organization.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're good guys.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Which brings me to an ask, Adam, that you brought up the idea that we have. We told him what to do. All right, I'm going to ask you the question after you play the clip.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

You've probably sat across the table from Prime Minister Netanyahu more than any, almost anyone else out there, and he and Israel are, of course, big factors here. There's been recent reporting, you probably saw in the New York Times, that Netanyahu was taken into the situation where he basically pitched Trump on attacking Iran. Were you ever a part of any conversations like that? I know he's made that pitches to past administrations. Were you ever a part of that? And were you surprised that he was able to convince Trump to do this?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I was part of any number of conversations with Prime Minister Netanyahu. But him pitching other countries in the

[Various Guests/Reporters]

US to strike Iran.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, he wanted us to strike. He came to President Obama. He made a presentation that asked to strike. President Obama refused. President Biden refused. President Bush refused. The only president who has agreed to this, obviously, is President Trump. Ask Adam. Ask Adam. Will he know or will he won't? I don't know, but here we go. Ask Adam. Ask Adam. Answer the question. Go.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, what is the question?

[Adam Curry]

So if the Israeli Jews are running us, telling us what to do and controlling the country, how come it, how come Obama wouldn't pay attention and neither would Bush and neither would anybody else?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, that's.

[Adam Curry]

That makes sense. What's the logic here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's because of the Epstein pedophile videotape that Bibi Netanyahu has shown of Trump. Oh, okay, that's, that's, that's always the answer. That's always the. Well, that's interesting you bring that up because we'll move into the. The MAGA revolt and your girl Megyn Kelly was on Piers Morgan. She's gone so off the rails. She was just a little, little startup.

[Adam Curry]

First tonight, I'm joined by Megyn Kelly, host of the Megyn Kelly Show Me. What's been the point of it all?

[Various Guests/Reporters]

You got to say, the deal sounds very much like surrender on our part, which I'm in favor of. I mean, great. This needed to end ugly or any other way. It needed to end. It was folly to begin with. It was folly throughout.

[John C. Dvorak]

It remains folly, folly, folly, folly. So where Psaki, who was in your clip, she got that from a New York Times article. The New York Times wrote this big expose about how Bibi Netanyahu was telling Trump what to do. And this is what Megyn Kelly has bought into.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

And so what led Trump, what, at 79 years old, to sit in there, in that Situation Room when Bibi Netanyahu was seated as an equal?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Trump didn't even sit at the head of the table.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was there pictures? Have you seen pictures of this or is this all?

[Adam Curry]

No, I've not seen nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is all.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is all from the New York Times article.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Yeah. Who was seated as an equal?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Trump didn't even sit at the head of the table. Trump sat at the side of the table, and Bibi was across from him as an equal. In the American Situation Room, what led him to sit there and buy what that guy was selling, hook, line and sinker? When every other president was able to see through that liar, what was it? Because he was told that.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's your answer, by the way, Joe. Every other American president was able to see through the liar, the BB net liar, and Trump is dumb and he's 79. As she started off with.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Every other president was able to see through that Liar. What was it? Because he was told the next day by our own top advisors, from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to the Secretary of State to the Vice President, that these are lies and that these objectives are not going to be attainable. Don't believe him. We might be able to wipe out the Ayatollah, not regime change, Ayatollah. And we might be able to decimate some portion of their missiles and their military.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is amazing. Megyn Kelly is literally citing the New York Times for, I don't know, first time in her career, like, oh, now the New York Times is right. And you've always been yelling about them being wrong. So this morning, the. The Israeli ambassador was on Face the Nation. Here's what he said about it.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

There was this highly detailed New York Times report this past week. I know you read it. Extraordinary journalism that detailed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Extraordinary journalism, Jon. Extraordinary, detailed.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

This February 11th meeting where your prime minister pitched President Trump on bombing Iran. It said the Israeli plan was to kill the Ayatollah, done cripple Iran's ability to threaten its neighbors, spur a popular uprising in Iran, and then conduct regime change, leaving in place a secular leader. Obviously, all those goals were not achieved. Can you declare an end to the war without achieving that checklist?

[Adam Curry]

First of all, all of those goals

[John C. Dvorak]

have not been achieved yet.

[Adam Curry]

This is a process. This isn't instant soup, number one. Number two, I was in the room at that meeting. The journalists who wrote that article were not. And apparently they received the information second, third hand. There's an awful lot in that article which simply isn't true, which is a narrative that's being create. Interesting narrative, but not accurate. So I'd be very careful about quoting from that particular article.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Well, specifically, what did they get wrong? Because they say your intelligence services. The Mossad argued the Iranian regime would be so weak it could not choke off the Strait of Hormuz. That was wrong. Iran would have the middle.

[Adam Curry]

We didn't argue that. We argued the potential that we've got to work towards that. Nothing was presented as a fact that if we do this, this will be the outcome. It's not science. Politics is not science. Military operations are not science. We presented the case that this is what we think should be done. The president makes a decision. This whole thing about the prime minister coming in and dragging the President. President into this, it's, it's, it's all, you know, for publicity purposes.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

I believe that to be true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And of course we are, because you and I have been blackmailed by Mossad. And we have to say, we have to say that I think is absolutely true. This was a hit piece from the.

[Adam Curry]

Where's our Money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hit piece from the New York Times, and they weren't even in the room. And Megyn Kelly just goes nuts and

[Adam Curry]

runs with it is now underwater.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

And he will. It wasn't before with men.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now all of a sudden she's reading polling because that's.

[Adam Curry]

Which, that's inaccurate, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, listen, listen to what she has.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Forget the gender divide that happened in 2024. The women went overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris and men went for Trump. Now he's underwater with, with men, including with young men and young people. The, the Young Person Coalition that Charlie Kirk delivered to the president is gone, gone, gone. They've abandoned Donald Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're gone.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

The working class. Pierce, the latest poll that just came out showed he's two points underwater with the working class. That's Ben Trump's base from the beginning. They were the unshakable foundation that got him elected over and over.

[Adam Curry]

Why is she so hysterical?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. This is the same thing with Melania. She's not doing any more research. She's not even using her legal skills to see what a test testimony was done by the victims, the Epstein victims. She's just, she's just someone called the complain grifting, which is probably a reasonable, reasonable term. They're all doing it now. That's, you know, it's, it's, it's complain grifting, it's audience capture. It's fear of people running away from your podcast if you take a different stance, if you have a different opinion. I think she's, she's completely locked in and captured.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

That's been Trump's base from the beginning.

[John C. Dvorak]

And like anybody cares. Trump's not running for president.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's done.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's going to do what he thinks

[Various Guests/Reporters]

is right for the unshakable foundation that got him elected over and over. And they're gone. They're very angry. They care about what's happening in Iowa, not Iran. They don't want days and days, days and more weeks of debates over the Strait of Hormuz.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe you should stop.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

No one cares. They care about their own lives. They care about the fact that they can't pay for health care. They can't buy a, a home. Young people cannot get a home even though two people are working non stop round the clock with no vacations in this country.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? Non stop, round the clock, no vacations. Okay.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

President Trump promised he would do something about that. Now we see the leaked sound bite saying, can't really worry about anything at the federal government level other than military. Everything else has to be done at the state. Then they pulled that down off the Internet because they didn't mean to share it. He said it at an Easter breakfast that was supposed to be private. Well, it's going to be the campaign ad for every Democrat in these midterms. So he's lost working class, he's lost men, he's lost young people. He lost Hispanics by some 50 points. Every single gain with Hispanics is now gone. It's eradicated blacks. He had made some inroads with black voters. Done. You name it, they're all gone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's going to bring back the Hispanics with the farm workers, the H2A. But when Megyn Kelly says they took it down off the Internet, it's gone because he supposedly said it in private at some Easter dinner. He doesn't care about anything. Well, I don't know. It took me like all three seconds to find it.

[Adam Curry]

And I actually said to them, I said to Russell, don't send any money for daycare because the United States can't take care of daycare. That has to be up to a state. We can't take care of daycare. We're a big country. We have 50 states. We have all these other people. We're fighting wars. We can't take care of daycare. You got to let a state take care of daycare. And they should pay for it, too. They should pay. They have to raise their taxes, but they should pay for it. And we could lower our taxes a little bit, them to make up, but we. It's not possible for us to take care of daycare. Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things. They can do it on a state basis. You can't do it on a federal. We have to take care of one thing, military protection. We have to guard the country. But all these little things, all these little scams that have taken place, you have to. You have to let states take care of them, Russell, and you have to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that the same thing Megyn Kelly said? No. She makes it sound like he only wants to fund the military. This was specific about the scams that Nick Shirley is, is. Is uncovering, mainly California. And she makes it sound like he doesn't want to do anything for the people. And they took it down from the Internet. She's unhinged. Isn't that nuts?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's pretty. I don't know what happened to her. Maybe she's losing her audience or the contracts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes, yes, that is exactly it. If she doesn't do this, then people will say she's horrible. She's bought and paid for by Israel. That's what they're all doing. Here's Tucker. Tucker has the best fatalistic view of everything. So why is all this relevant now? Because what's happening in Iran is the

[Adam Curry]

end of American empire as we understand it. And that's sad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boohoo empire. It's the end of the American empire's dying, but it's not the end of the United States.

[Adam Curry]

It's not the end of our influence on other nations. Hopefully positive influence.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not the end of our economy. It's the beginning of a very rough time in our economy, of course, but

[Adam Curry]

it's hardly the end of it. What we've been doing for likely your

[John C. Dvorak]

lifetime if you're under 80, is, well,

[Adam Curry]

it's not working anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

It hasn't actually helped the United States long term.

[Adam Curry]

Your grandkids at this point don't have the promise of a better life than you had. So it's not actually a successful experiment. And now it's ending because we've reached the limits of our demonstrated power. We can't open the straight side of Hormuz. The president United States said that last night. Someone else do it. So we're done. That's okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was always going to end. Go to Qatar. It's so much better there. I can't help but laugh.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that is. Well, you know the guy I have one clip in kind of in this regard and it seems like, and I, and I believe this to be the only guy who might have a clue and is kind of playing the game. Huh. Which is Alex Jones, of course. Of course. And he knows that this is maybe I, we're dealing with a wwe, you know, wrestling bull crap where you're calling the other guy a pencil neck geek and you're going to take him down, you're going to take him out and you're going to do this, you're going to do that. So this is Alex Jones's response to. Because Trump made a tweet calling out all these.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was great. He's like, they're low iq, more IQ idiots.

[Adam Curry]

Their families embarrassed.

[John C. Dvorak]

The families are embarrassed for them. That was great. All right, here we go. Alex Jones. I'm just going to score Trump to get him back on track.

[Adam Curry]

The only way to do it, go after him viciously. You've already shit all over me and if you try to rub it in, I just. At that point, I don't care anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if you think I've been coming after you, if you think that I'm

[Adam Curry]

trying to get clicks by attacking you so the Democrats don't buy anything from me and don't like me, want to put me in jail, if you think I've been on your ass, say one more thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

One more thing out of your mouth

[Adam Curry]

and Laura Loomer, send him this. Okay. One more thing. That's great. When I'm going through hell back in

[John C. Dvorak]

your ass because you were the lesser two evils, then I'm going to show

[Adam Curry]

you how the cow ate the cabbage. Do one more thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should. What did he say? How a cow eats the cabbage.

[Adam Curry]

That what he said?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. This is good. Back in your ass because you were

[Adam Curry]

the lesser two evils.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then I'm going to show you how

[Adam Curry]

the cow ate the cabbage.

[John C. Dvorak]

How did the.

[Adam Curry]

How the cow ate the cabbage.

[John C. Dvorak]

How the cow ate your cabbage specifically. That's. I have not heard that. That's a. That might be a Texas thing that I haven't heard.

[Adam Curry]

You're asking lesser two evils.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then I'm going to show you how

[Adam Curry]

the cow ate the cabbage. Do one more thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should be kissing my ass, but

[Adam Curry]

instead you shit all over me and rub it in. I'm not looking for a fight, but if you want one, you came to the right place.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think you're right. Alex gets it. So what is he going to do if Trump shits on him one more time?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. It'll be funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's excellent. Well, that at least is. Alex at least understands the show business angle of it and yeah, I think that's pretty good. Now the. I only have one more. I'm sorry to say again, it's Megyn Kelly, because she is just getting all of her buddies in. Here's another complaint. Grifter Glenn Greenwald, and he's like this.

[Adam Curry]

I was surprised he was brought into this.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's like this. Well, he's the self loathing Jew. He's on with Tucker the whole time. He's all in the net. I mean, he maybe co wrote the New York Times article. Bibi Netanyahu forced Trump. He was his equal at the table. There's no pictures. Okay. I'm sure it's true. Here she is. It's. It's not nothing of Glenn. It's all Megan.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

It's like this is like a post mortem in a hospital. That's what it feels like to me, Glenn. You know, where somebody dies and then they have the morbidity and whatever meeting and they go through, how did the patient die? Like, what happened? What went wrong with the system? And it's us looking at this president who I believed, totally believed would not start another Middle east war and saying what. What happened? And it's like some errant maniac was let into the or. His name is Benjamin Netanyahu. And our surgeon, the best in the world, treated him as the authority figure. Instead of remembering, it was he who was the authority figure and the one who we placed in there and in charge for a reason. He came in and said, instead of taking the cancer out, let's put one in. Let's see how that works. Infest this body with the most pernicious cancer known to man. Let's start with pancreatic. Stick it in there and see if we can get it to spread. And others around, the doctor said, no, don't do that. That's certain death for the patient. But he was so dazzling with the head of cancer research beaming in via satellite, telling our surgeon, don't worry, we figured out a way around it. You'll be known as is the person who cured cancer, not who caused it. And then we did it. We stuck the needle in the man's pancreatic. Pancreas. And the cancer spread like wildfire through the patient's body. And that is how he died. That's how this feels. A bunch of experts looking at the guy we trusted saying, who made him do this? And the answer is Benjamin Netanyahu. And the man in the mirror for President Trump, his own hubris that led him to believe he'd get a different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did someone write this for her?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. It's the craziest thing I've ever heard,

[John C. Dvorak]

the whole cancer metaphor. And Bibi Netanyahu said, yeah, stick the cancer in. It's unhinged. Now, the only. The only thing I will agree with Megan Kelly on and Tucker and pool boy and did you hear about.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't get the clip. I could have gotten the clip. Pool boy says he got a call from Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I didn't hear that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Pool boy comes on and says, I got a call from Trump. He was thanking me profusely for not joining forces with these other lunatics and for being staying on his side. Really? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

And he joked with him. He said, well, don't worry, Mr. President, I'll stick with you even if you kill somebody on Fifth Avenue. Callback joke, right? And he said. Trump laughed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the only thing I wanted to say about pool boy is that someone sent me that pool water.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Remember, I got the. I got a whole case of pool water. And the Pakistani lady at the post office yelled at Tina.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, right, right, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because it had been sent as media mail, which means it has to be

[Adam Curry]

media pool water down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. So it was one of our producers who ordered that directly from Tim Pool, and his. His outfit sends it as media mail.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're the guys.

[Adam Curry]

The post office should go bust them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course they should. Instead, they bust my wife. You are stealing from my bucket. Okay? So anyway, when it comes to all those people and Glenn Greenwald and everybody else, I will agree, and I have a supercut to prove it, that Trump definitely, definitely, definitely promised no wars. No foreign wars, no stupid wars. No wars. No wars. I'll be the prince of peace. No wars.

[Adam Curry]

I am the candidate of peace. I am peace.

[John C. Dvorak]

People don't believe that

[Various Guests/Reporters]

a vote for Donald Trump is a vote for a man who wants to end wars, not start them.

[Adam Curry]

We do not want war with Iran. We actually want peace. The Iranians are clearly not very good at war. Perhaps they should follow President Trump's lead and give peace a chance. Kamala is campaigning with warmongers like Liz Cheney. How do you think that is? She picks Liz Cheney, whose father, Virginia, actually destroyed the Middle East. You know, Liz Cheney, she talks big. Oh, I want war. She always wants war. Every time I was with her in the White House. We should attack this nation, that nation, nations that people never even heard of. We should attack some big, big tough guys. He sits back in Washington. Oh, we ought to go and attack Iran, Iraq. We're going to attack everybody. That's why I broke up with her. All she wanted to do is go to war with everybody. These war hawks, they want to draft your kids to die in wars, and they will never fight themselves. You know, we'll stay around the country for 15 years, just bomb the hell out of everybody, make everybody miserable. Nobody knows why we're there. You know, the wars that never end, these endless wars that we've been in. I've gotten us out of so many. We don't want to get into wars. We're tired of fighting. I'm the only president in the last 84 years that didn't start a war. Under Trump, we will have no more wars. No more wars. No more wars. We will have prosperity and peace. We will have prosperity and we will have peace. Remember, I'm the president of peace. They said he will start a war. I'm not going to start a war. I'm going to stop wars. He's going to start a war. I said, no, no, no. My rhetoric is going to keep us out of wars. And that's what happened. My proudest legacy will be that of a peacemaker. That's what I want to be, a peacemaker. We will measure our success not only by the battles we win, but also by the wars that we end, and perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into. Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate. He's weak and he's ineffective. I believe, believe that he will attack Iran sometime prior to the election because he thinks that's the only way he can get elected. Isn't it pathetic?

[John C. Dvorak]

So pretty, pretty ironic that he, that he said Obama was pathetic for starting a war because he couldn't negotiate.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's painting himself into a corner here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And I can see the objections, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. So let's shift gears because we're not going to know anything until tomorrow when he truths something and the oil markets go either crazy up or crazy down. And I'm kind of working on a thesis about that too.

[Adam Curry]

About trading.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Trading thesis. Yeah. There's a lot, there's a lot of things happening and social media turns out to be quite important for the markets in general.

[Adam Curry]

This is one clip here and I'm not sure what it is. It says Trump's arch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that the Arc de Trump? De Trumpo.

[Adam Curry]

The Ark. Yeah, the Ark. The arch. The arch.

[John C. Dvorak]

The arch.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

New proposed renderings tonight for President Trump's controversial 250 foot arch in the nation's Capitol, complete with a winged Lady Liberty. The structure itself would clock in at 166ft.

[Adam Curry]

Huh. Can you imagine this thing?

[John C. Dvorak]

But isn't this old? Isn't it? Is this a new new.

[Adam Curry]

This report came out just yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Tall with the added statue on top, bringing it to 250ft. To celebrate 250 years since America's founding. For comparison, the Lincoln memorial stands at 99ft. The Arc de Triomphe in Paris, 164ft.

[Adam Curry]

I'd like it to be the biggest one of all. We're the biggest.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Most, if approved, the arch would go here, just across the Potomac river from the Lincoln Memorial on Columbia island, which is still considered part of D.C. and very close to Reagan National Airport, raising questions about whether it could impact flight patterns in one of the country's busiest airspaces. The arch has already faced legal setbacks, with veterans and historians suing over traffic concerns and the loss of an unobstructed view between Arlington National Cemetery and the Lincoln Memorial.

[Adam Curry]

Veterans are the ones that should like it. It's called the Triumphal Arc.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

It's the President's latest attempt to leave his imprint on Washington after making significant changes, including tearing down the East Wing to make room for his $400 million ballroom project, which also faces an uncertain future in the courts.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a pretty big arch.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think is. I think it's gauche.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, like Trump's hotels aren't gauche?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're not necessarily that gauche. I mean, when they first bought the plaza, they turned into a really nice place.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that. But that was his wife.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was Ivana. Ivana Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she ran that. She did a good job on that. That was nice. At least when I was in New York it was nice.

[Adam Curry]

No, I stayed there quite a few times. Right after they bought it.

[John C. Dvorak]

On someone else's dimension.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. What are you thinking? Geez, I'm not gonna pay for that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Since we have been closely following the Canadian political scene, particularly with the NDP then. Is that the National Democrat Party?

[Adam Curry]

New Democrat Party.

[John C. Dvorak]

A New Democrat. Oh, so they already have a Democrat Party. This is the New Democrat Party.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So did you see Leah Ghazan with. You know, I've always said. And we could probably go back and look in the archives for a while. I would always just rattle off LGBBT QQIP plus.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, yeah. You know, I had this clip for the last show and now everybody's beating this clip to death.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's too funny.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's too funny.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

When the budget was released, I was shocked to find out that Prime Minister Carney is cutting $7 billion between Indigenous service Services Canada and Crown Indigenous relations. They provided $0 to deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQIA this is abhorrent. This is callous. This is callous because the very liberal government that has stripped organizations of life sustaining funding has now promised committed $13 billion. $13 billion on military spending. Who is paying for it? Indigenous women. Across this country, Indigenous women, girls to SLGBTQQIAH are not safe. In fact, rates of violence are increasing. And what is the Prime Minister doing? He is turning a blind eye on this violence. You know, the Prime Minister Talks a lot about project.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know this. First of all, I Love the acronym MMIWG2SL G, B, T, Q, QIA plus.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where the 2SL is, the 2S is 2 Spirit. And the 2 Spirit was created to get away from all of this. So somehow they got dragged right back in in the middle of the MMIWG2SLGBTQIA Plus. But the thing that I wonder is how will money stop these people from being killed? Yeah, that's what's not explained. Like will $7 billion, you, everyone, everyone gets a bodyguard. Or Canada. Canada. Dumb Canada. Canada. Canada.

[Adam Curry]

I have a WTF Canada clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here we go.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Deal with the ongoing genocide of mmiwgt.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's. Never mind. That's clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

The same clip. Oh, you're slipping, baby. You know open heart surgery will do that to you.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's just I've had to move a few clips over because I, I have these, these kind of little Diddy clips that are kind of cute. The end. Including. Just play one. All right, this is, these are off. Off the wall. This is a clip which reminded me of something I wanted to mention. And I guess in Cincinnati, somebody's trying to get the call letters wkrp.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And. And this is a little the end of a discussion about that. And I, I found it worth having to comment on. Nearly 50 years ago, a TV sitcom debuted that made a fictional radio station famous.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm living on the air in Cincinnati.

[Adam Curry]

Cincinnati. Wkrp. WKRP in Cincinnati was about a dysfunctional rock station with a burnt out dj, a clueless newsman, and a bumbling general manager.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

There has never actually been a radio station in Cincinnati called wkrp. But it looks like that might be changing. Those call letters were recently put up for auction.

[Adam Curry]

They were most recently owned by a media nonprofit in Raleigh, North Carolina. In one of the sitcoms most famous episodes, the station's general manager came up with a Thanksgiving promotion. They dropped. Drop turkeys from a helicopter. Yeah, live turkeys though. And it did not end up well. As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. The fact is turkeys can fly.

[John C. Dvorak]

I knew you were gonna say. I knew you were gonna take issue with that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they fly all the time. They don't fly a lot, but when they. They can fly. In fact, every so I still remember driving down the freeway with a couple of turkeys flying over Highway 80 about, you know, 14ft above the ground, and it's like just barely miss hitting them. It's like flying bowling Balls. And they fly around. They've flown down from the. They can somehow get into trees and they fly down.

[John C. Dvorak]

What a way to take the story. So if I recall this episode, the problem was that they weren't dropping live turkeys. They were dropping frozen turkeys, and people were getting killed on the ground.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember how that episode went.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you want a little showbiz story here?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I was invited and auditioned for the reboot of WKRP when I was at MTV still, and I was living in New Jersey, and I was decided to go to Los Angeles, and I was supposed to be Dr. Johnny Fever, the, you know, kind of the cool nighttime dj. And they wanted a. They wanted like a Howard Stern type vibe, I guess, because I had the long hair, like, yeah, you'd be pretty. Of course, typecasting, as usual.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I got all the way through. I did all the auditions, callbacks. I stayed there for a week, had a coach. Oh, good. My God, I can't believe I did all that. Had a coach. You know, I came up with little things that I would do, like twirling a pencil between my fingers, you know, kind of like a nervous thing that. That this D.J. a gimmick. Yeah, stick. And. And they're like, okay, you know, we'd really like to offer this to you. And my wife at the time said, no, we're not moving to Los Angeles. And I said, well, I can fly in. They said, no, nevermind, we'll get somebody else. And.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you could have been a star.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think it flopped after the pilot. It was a bad. It was a bad idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You should have been a star. You are a star.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, thank you.

[Adam Curry]

You're the pod father.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, right. Well, the podfather's got something for you here. I don't know if anyone caught this, but I was at the meetup, which we'll be talking about in a moment, and actually, one of our producers gave me a Border Patrol hat, which is kind of cool.

[Adam Curry]

He's with Border Patrol? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a nice little cap to have. I'm gonna wear it next time I enter the country. But that may not be at my favorite airport. But, Mr. Secretary, you know the issue here. This is our new Department of Homeland Security, Secretary Mullins. You have states and cities that are sanctuaries.

[Adam Curry]

States and cities.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's part of the issue. It's part of the problem.

[Adam Curry]

We saw it in Minnesota.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do you get around that?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I believe sanctuary cities is not lawful. I don't think they're able to do that. And so we're going to take a hard look at this. Just one area we may take a hard look at is some of these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some of these cities have international airports.

[Adam Curry]

If they're a sanctuary city, should they really be processing customs into their city? Seriously, if they're a sanctuary city and they're receiving international flights and we're asking them to partner with us at the airport, but once they walk out of the airport, they're not going to enforce immigration policy. Maybe we need to have a really hard look at that because we need to focus on cities that want to work with us. So you're saying that big cities that are sanctuary cities that have a big airport, they might lose their customs? Well, I'm saying we're going to have to start prioritizing things at some point right now. Remember, the Democrats are wanting to defund custom border patrol. Well, who processes those individuals when they walk off the plane? So I'm going to have to be forced to make hard decisions.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love that. Just, hey, no more border patrol in LA and New York. What could possibly go wrong?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's a funny idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a great idea. I mean, it can't be done. I mean, why? We just can't process people. All international flights have to go through Minneapolis, Dallas.

[Adam Curry]

Dallas and drive. Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had a lot of people flying to Dallas for the meetup and then drove down. They came from Boise, from Ohio.

[Adam Curry]

We had a guy from Tennessee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, he should have come to our meetup. Would have been close. Crazy. I promised this on the last show. Second half of show.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, I had two clips I was gonna play to lead into that. Oh, I'm sorry, but it's not about aliens. It's about the nine dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that sounds uplifting, you know, but

[Adam Curry]

this is something we have to cover. So why don't we play the nine dead and then you take us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Take. Take it away.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

At the time, his death barely met headlines. But now, nearly three years later, there is renewed interest in what happened to Michael David Hicks. Why? Hicks, a NASA scientist who spent decades studying asteroids in deep space, died in 2023 at the age of. No public cause of death has ever been released. Hicks worked on major missions, including NASA's DART project, which tested whether humans could deflect asteroids. Earlier deep space missions studying comets. His death is now being discussed alongside other cases involving researchers connected to NASA missile systems nuclear technology who have either died or disappeared. Among them, a NASA related researcher honored for breakthrough Work who also died with little public attention. A NASA director who disappeared and has not been found. A fusion scientist working on next generation energy killed in what investigators have described as a targeted attack. A retired Air Force general, deep knowledge of advanced technology, who reportedly walked away from his home and vanished. The McCasland case, we've talked about that. How about an astrophysicist shot and killed outside his home? A family member of that astrophysicist spoke with one of our producers earlier today. They told us exclusively they believe his death was an isolated incident and is not connected to the other cases. Now importantly, and to be clear, there is no confirmed evidence publicly linking any of the deaths or disappearances and officials have not said that they're connected. But former intelligence and law enforcement officials note that scientists working in sensitive fields have long been targets for foreign intelligence operation. Members of Congress are calling for closer scrutiny, saying the number and nature of these cases warrant attention. It's all strange. Yeah, that's clear. But are these separate and unrelated tragedies or could there be overlapping risks that are not yet fully understood?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what show was this from?

[Adam Curry]

This is from one of the local, local TV stations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, over the air. Ota.

[Adam Curry]

Ota.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Here's part two. They bring a girl into pound a table. It's time to bring in Lauren Conlon, Los Angeles magazine contributor who's been following this. Great to see you. Anything you're seeing that would suggest there's a pattern or any of these are connected?

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Absolutely. I mean, we are seeing a pattern. And the most striking thing for me is Monica riza and General McCaslin. I mean, Monica Riza worked closely with General McCaslin and she disappeared under extremely, extremely disturbing and mysterious circumstances. And reportedly she co patented a super alloy that was going to be used for rocket propulsion. She knew a lot. General McCaslin knew a lot. They worked at Wright Patterson where reportedly they're holding debris from extraterrestrial creatures from Roswell. And I believe that, I believe those two knew a lot. And Monica Riza, her disappearance, I mean, the fact that she was hiking with a friend or two, I mean, it's a little bit unclear some of the information, but the fact that she was right behind them, 30ft behind them, and then she disappeared just out of nowhere, I mean, literally, they found a hat and apparently her scent stopped at the hat and that was it. And then Neal McCaslin, I mean, you have to wonder the timing, President Trump saying, you know, I'm going to release these files. And then six days later, Neal McCaslin goes missing. I don't think that he's necessarily. He was kidnapped and tortured for classified information. I don't. I think something went off in his head.

[Adam Curry]

What about this? You mentioned this 325 meeting. That's somehow part of it. Yes.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

So I did mention to you off camera that there was a meeting, a SCIF meeting basically where they do this in a secure facility. Yes, a secured facility. And there was Democrats, Republicans, because this is a very bi partisan topic. They're both, they're both very interested. And General McCaslin, his disappearance was discussed. UAPS were discussed. So I don't think this story is going away. Jesse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is great. Good lead in. Perfect. Perfect for this bull crap. Here we go. Here we go. Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

No entry. Second half of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, baby. UAPs, UFOs, aliens everywhere. But we have to look at the Hollywood angle. This has been bubbling under for a couple years. I think 2023 is when we first got the whistleblower. You remember this whistleblower, David Grush, former intelligence officer who testified to Congress that the U.S. government has recovered non human craft and biologics.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, vaguely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so. And someone wrote an email and yelled at me. He said he's not a Hollywood guy. He never did a Hollywood things. He's a real deal. He's a whistleblower. Right, He's a whistleblower. I'm sure he is. He is an associate producer on the new Jerry Bruckheimer movie that's being done for Apple now. I'll tell you something. And we can confirm this with Dana Brunetti. And I'm gonna have to ask him to dive into this anyway. If you are a true whistleblower, you will probably get hired as a consultant.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But as a producer.

[Adam Curry]

Associate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Still an associate producer maybe brought in.

[Adam Curry]

That could be Consultant.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a consultant. I think the title is a giveaway. And remember we have the Spielberg age of I'm sorry. Disclosure day coming June 12th with Emily Blunt, Colin Firth, Big Military.com is promoting the movie. Bob Lazar's documentary just came down. So there's a lot happening here in Hollywood. And this really kicked into high gear when the following thing happened. And I don't think Trump was aware of this. I think he is like, hold on a second. What's going on? There's some kind of up afoot and I need to immediately do something about it.

[Adam Curry]

Something that got a lot of attention this week. Barack Obama said that aliens are real.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you seen any evidence of non

[Adam Curry]

human visitors to Earth. Well, he ain't classified information. He's not supposed to be doing that.

[John C. Dvorak]

So aliens are real?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know if they're real or not. I can tell you. He gave classified information. He's not supposed to be doing that. He made him. He made a big mistake. He took it out of classified information. No, I don't. I don't have an opinion on it. I never talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people. People believe it. Do you believe it, Peter? Well, if the president can declassify anything

[John C. Dvorak]

that he wants to.

[Adam Curry]

So if you want to make an announcement, I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.

[John C. Dvorak]

We know.

[Adam Curry]

Illegal aliens. Yeah, illegal. Only illegals.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it was Obama who kicked it off. Obama who leaked out classified information. Obama is an op meister.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

We know he is Trump. And you can hear Trump going, he what? He leaked classified information. But I may let him off the hook, you know, by declassifying everything. President Trump commenting on something that a

[Adam Curry]

lot of people have been discussing as of late. He said that he might do some declassifying. Well, guess what?

[John C. Dvorak]

We just got into the newsroom.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump sending this out on social

[John C. Dvorak]

media moments ago, saying, based on the

[Adam Curry]

tremendous interest shown, I will be directing

[John C. Dvorak]

the Secretary of War and other relevant departments and agencies to begin the process,

[Adam Curry]

process of identifying and releasing government files related to alien and extraterrestrial life, unidentified

[John C. Dvorak]

aerial phenomena, UAPs and unidentified flying objects, UFOs, and any and all information connected to these highly, highly complex but extremely interesting and important matters. God bless America.

[Adam Curry]

He says

[John C. Dvorak]

the due date for this is the 14th. That's Tuesday.

[Adam Curry]

The movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, for the Secretary of War to release everything. So the second. What are the chances. What are the chances that the Secretary of War has already started to release some of these videos? And they're very interesting for a number of reasons.

[Adam Curry]

The newly released video captured by a US Reaper drone shows a glowing orb off the coast of Yemen. Suddenly, on the left side of your

[John C. Dvorak]

screen, you see a Hellfire missile zip

[Adam Curry]

in, strike that unidentified object, then bounce right off it. When we slow the video down, you see the Hellfire missile continue to travel on its path. That trajectory becoming clearer from this zoomed out angle not shown is a second Reaper drone that launched the missile. Congressman Eric Burleson shared the video at a House oversight committee on what the military calls unidentified aerial phenomena, better known as UFOs.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a Hellfire missile smacking into that UFO and just bounced right off. And it kept going. It kept going.

[Adam Curry]

And it looks like the debris was taken with it. Yeah. What. What the hell is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

We've never seen a Hellfire missile hit a target and bounce off.

[Adam Curry]

Lou Elizondo is a former senior intelligence officer with the Pentagon. The Hellfire makes a hit, Hit a

[John C. Dvorak]

kinetic strike on something solid.

[Adam Curry]

There's usually not much left of. Of whatever it is it's hitting. It's very, very destructive. What.

[John C. Dvorak]

What seems to happen is that the missile is either redirected or in some case, perhaps glances off the object and

[Adam Curry]

continues on its way. A recent government report revealed the government received more than 750 new UAP sites, sightings in the 2024 fiscal year, leaving lawmakers digging into the mystery and national

[John C. Dvorak]

security concerns posed by these objects.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Does this video scare you guys? Yes or no?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Wiggins.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm scared.

[Adam Curry]

Me, too. There's a lot of information that's not in that video, like what mission they were on. And as they said, what are we even looking at here? We do know that the US Military was conducting airstrikes, strikes against Houthi targets at the time. Pentagon officials tell CBS News, no comment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so we have these videos, and they just happen to be in Yemen and Houthis. And what are the chances we could get something over, I don't know, the Persian Gulf or Iran or something? Could we get some of that in this. In this release?

[Adam Curry]

Tonight, two newly released pieces of alleged US Military footage are sparking a lot of fresh questions about unidentified objects. So the videos were said to be obtained from military archives and released to the public by investigative journalists Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp. They say both recordings show government filmed objects that were officially designated as UAPs, unidentified anomalous phenomena. And they weren't meant to be seen by the public. Now, both videos were recorded by MQ9 Reaper drones, and both show objects making movements that Corbel says defy basic physics. The first video dates back to August of 2012. It's recorded over the Persian Gulf using infrared sensors. It shows three objects moving in what appears to be a triangular formation. And at one point, one of the objects falls back. Then it suddenly accelerates forward again, kind of like in a slingshot motion to rejoin the other two. Weird. The second video, more recent, 2021, recorded during a US drone mission over southern Syria. And in this footage, you have a single object that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so we've seen that one. So all the stuff that is coming out is crap video. It's all around the coincidental region where we have a war going on. We have Golden Dome. We have the President looking for an additional $500 billion in the next fiscal budget, which would neatly fill up the Golden Dome budget that he's looking for, which is space. Which is what? No NASA videos only Department of War. It's all about war. We have all these entertainment products coming out now to, to support the whole idea that, oh, we're really afraid. Hey, we're from the government. We're really afraid about this. This is very scary. But then to cap it off, a brand new podcast comes out. And I'm the pod father, so I'm always looking at these things. This is Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman. These are the guys who did Dark Skies. You remember the series Dark Skies?

[Various Guests/Reporters]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

On NBC was all about UFOs etc. They'll introduce themselves here in their new podcast.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Bryce Zabel. Have you ever wondered if there's a secret connection between UFOs and Hollywood and even sometimes a real man in black? Yes, I'm Brent Friedman and I have definitely wondered that.

[John C. Dvorak]

For about 30 years now, that question has haunted me.

[Adam Curry]

Hollywood, they've been making.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's that?

[Adam Curry]

It haunted him.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's haunted him. Well, wait until you hear the story. It's haunting. It's just haunting.

[Adam Curry]

Movies about E.T. forever. And we'll be taking a look at all those movies on sound, light and frequency, going back to the very beginning, but also going into the future and even talking about some films and TV series that aren't even all on yet. I know you're probably wondering, why are these two guys qualified to tell this story? Yes, well, we're both Hollywood insiders with lots of credits. I'm a writer, producer in film, TV and games. I'm a world builder. I've worked on some really big franchises from Star wars to Star Trek, from Halo to Call of Duty. Bryce. I started out in TV news, came to Los Angeles as the first CNN correspondent. I eventually started writing screenplays, ended up creating five primetime TV series, wrote some movies, won a Writer's Guild Award, got to hang out with some fabulous people like Stan Lee and Steven Spielberg and a lot of others. And the strangest thing was I became CEO of the Television Academy during 9 11. The one thing I'll say is where

[John C. Dvorak]

we faked a lot of video.

[Adam Curry]

Through it all, I always kept thinking about UFOs and the phenomena. Well, and Bryce, I think we can both agree that our most important credit is Dark Skies, the Alien invasion series that we co created for NBC. What a time it Was supposed to be a TV series about an alien invasion, which it was, and it was very good at that. But so many things happened during that time that were outside of the series itself that when I look back on it, I think it changed how we even look at reality. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you excited?

[Adam Curry]

God, what a long intro.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, these guys are long winded. I mean, I can stop now because I have three clips and they're all about long, but.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't want you to stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got nothing better to do, so you might as well stick with it.

[Adam Curry]

But, but. Okay, well, what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Say it.

[Adam Curry]

They're. They're boring. Well, these two guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they have better stories. So they, so they start off and they're talking about when they. They just done the pilot. And this is where things started to go strangely weird on, like, well, who's.

[Adam Curry]

What are you talking about? They. And who are you, by the way? And this gentleman said his name was JC or call me jc. I don't know if that was his name. He said, call me J.C. and he had. He was saying that he had been sent by people who had seen our pilot. Now, remember, it hasn't aired yet. It's not like it's a government secret under lock and key, but very few people had seen it. They had seen it and they thought it was pretty good and there was a lot to like about it, but there are a few things that they. They thought we should know about. And I, I guess I was in a hurry and, you know, I guess I was being brusque or whatever, but I said, okay, so you've seen the pilot. What happens after the crop circle? Which was just a very specific thing. And the guy goes, oh, well, they take the guy back to Majestic 12 and they do that operation and they pull that thing out of his head. And I thought, well, that's exactly what happened.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Happened.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody in my party necessarily had seen it that night. It had not aired yet. Now, I want to throw this over to you because I didn't talk to him much longer because again, people were tagging, you know, tugging on my shirt and saying, you got to go put this fire out here or you gotta go talk. And I just, you know, I just. Frankly, Brent, I invited him to leave the party. I said, I don't know who you are, and I have other things on my mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mind.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm not sure why you're here, and I think you should probably go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you still interested? Are you with me on the. The edge of your seat?

[Adam Curry]

Well, actually, he. This Is. Yeah. I'm wondering why he'd do that. If you have somebody that is that deep into, you know, getting advanced, look at something, do you have nobody? You can't see how he found out. I'd want to hear him out. I wouldn't kick him out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay?

[Adam Curry]

So I wouldn't have done that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so. But there's two of them. And so the other guy, he's hanging around the studio or the party or whatever it is, and then the guy enters. He's got no badge.

[Adam Curry]

Halfway through the pilot, I'm out there by myself, and all of a sudden I hear footsteps and, like, bushes rustling behind me. And I turn around, and this guy starts walking out of the shadows. And he comes up, and as Bryce described him, 30 something. I would say he was like a cross between, like, you know, military and fraternity, right? Not super handsome, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

But really kind of agreeable.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Television producers. You can't. Come on, we're the same way. What he looked like? Well, he wasn't really handsome, but if I had to. If I had to cast him, you know, he would have been the right guy. You know, not fraternity, not military, like.

[Adam Curry]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he didn't seem threatening at all. Men in black.

[Adam Curry]

He had a navy blue blazer on with a white shirt and pressed jeans and black shoes and respectful. We've done already. We've undercut our own story. I'm going with khakis, and you're going with pressed jeans, right? All right, continue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so what happens is, I'm standing

[Adam Curry]

there, this guy comes out, and the first thing I notice is he has no majestic badge on, right? Because I don't know who this person is. And I'm counting on that badge to give me a name so that I don't look like the noob that I know I am. Am. But he has no badge. So I go, hey, how's it going? And he goes, well, you must be really proud. And I'm thinking, oh, well, yeah. I mean, this is my first show. Yeah, Yeah. I gotta tell you, you got a lot right? And I just remember thinking, well, that's an interesting thing to say. Like, meaning we. We had a lot of good shots. We had a lot of good cuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

The music was like.

[Adam Curry]

I don't. What.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

We got to love stuff, right? And he goes, yeah, it's. It. It. It seems pretty clear. You talk to someone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, as Bryce mentioned, we're not going

[Adam Curry]

to get into the story of what

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll call a briefing that I got

[Adam Curry]

when I was 18 years old by someone very high up in the Reagan administration who was a bull crap friend of the family. Yeah. But in fact, things that didn't happen. Yeah, I'd talk to someone, and I probably knew a lot more about ufology and, and, and the conspiracies and whatnot than I should. Should have, or that I even wanted to. But in that moment, I thought, oh, my God, I'm gonna be arrested. I have told Bryce the stories of what I knew, and we put some

[John C. Dvorak]

of them in dark skies. All right, so here's your money clip.

[Adam Curry]

And now there's a guy here who's not part of Sony or NBC saying, I spoke to someone, and now I'm seeing him not as a fraternity guy, but as some sort of FBI, CIA agent who's going to take me away. And so for a moment, I was frozen. I was just like a deer in headlights. And then he said, yeah, so you got a lot right, but there are some things you got wrong. And that's why I'm here. I represent a group that would like to work with you and Bryce to get more truth into your show. And we'd like to make a deal with you guys. Now, you have to understand, this was all. I didn't know this level of Hollywood before, so this was all, like, incredibly surreal to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a guy talking to me about making a deal.

[Adam Curry]

He's from some branch of the military and the government, and I don't even

[John C. Dvorak]

know what to say.

[Adam Curry]

And I said, well, okay, well, what

[John C. Dvorak]

would that mean exactly? Well, we want to get you some

[Adam Curry]

truth in the form of facts, maybe even some media. And we'd like to have you integrate

[John C. Dvorak]

that into your show as part of

[Adam Curry]

what we would call kind of a slow rollout disclosure program. Because we're from a branch of the military that believes the truth does need to come out. And that is kind of one of the central conceits of your show.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, John, this is all bullshit.

[Adam Curry]

It sure sounds like it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

All they're doing is they just.

[Adam Curry]

By the way. So we have to note the use of the term disclosure is like code. It's the. The thing that came out last year was called disclosure something or other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The Spielberg thing is called disclosure something or other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And this guy uses the word disclosure. This. There's other words that you can use, but disclosure, disclosure, disclosure seems to be code.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're talking synonyms.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Book of knowledge. Give me synonyms for disclosure. According to the book of knowledge, the words that share the Essence of disclosure include revelation, exposure, unveiling, divulgence, confession, admission, announcement, declaration, publication, leak, release, and transparency. Thus it has been written. Brother, come on. I spent hours on that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a winner. So, yeah, there's a number of ways of saying it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's code. It's code. It's code for more money for the military. And I think Trump knows it. He's like, oh, all right, well, let's disclose some stuff that's over Iran and over Yemen and the Houthis, and we probably should get some more moon bases. And I don't know, it's just, we need more money. More money is the last clip from these guys.

[Adam Curry]

Let's just put this party crasher thing in final context. Yeah, let's do it. I think over the years, both of

[John C. Dvorak]

us, you know, have talked about this ad nauseam.

[Adam Curry]

Now we're talking about it in public.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there are a number of questions that keep coming up.

[Adam Curry]

And the first one I think we have to ask is this deal that that JC proposed, he said it was for disclosure, it was for this honorable, like, let's get the truth out to the people. But I don't think that we can discount the idea that maybe it was all part of a disinformation campaign. I've never discounted that because my first take was. That's what it was. My. My first take was, first of all, it's a hoax and this guy's not who he says he is. But then as I began to say, I'm giving him more credibility than that. That I then began to say. But that doesn't mean he's telling me the truth. I mean, that's where the journalist in me came in. I mean, as I like to say, I've been lied to by experts, Right. And I thought, there's no reason in the world to accept on face value what this guy is saying. So it could easily have been disinformation. In fact, Brent, the more we have learned over time about disinformation, the government has been disinforming as a matter of policy or military strategy going back to D day and before. Yeah, right. So, yeah, of course it could be disinformation.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. And these guys have a podcast that goes on forever. That's just their first episode. So I hate to hate to say it, but this is all complete military marketing.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, sounds super. Right? Yeah. So we'll have. Well, so on Tuesday.

[Adam Curry]

So what else is new?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, on Tuesday, we get. We get all of the Videos and everything shall be known.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing will be known.

[John C. Dvorak]

And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in cow ate your cabbage, John C. Devora.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, in the morning, you, Mr. Adam Curry. Also in the morning, all ships at sea out there feeding the air, subs in the water, boots on the ground, and all the dames and knights.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Here we go. We're slowly getting back up there, John. 1948. People are coming back. They're like, hey, he's not dead. Oh, we thought he was dead. Might as well check him out. See, not dead yet, everybody. He is John C. Dvorak, and this is the no Agenda show. We do it together twice a week.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Week.

[John C. Dvorak]

For those of you listening live, you've gotten quite a treat today because you've gotten all the no Agenda bonus package, premium plus content, which includes John disconnecting every 15 minutes. So that is part of what you get when you listen live. People love that. They love it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they love it.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is great. This is great. Listen what's happening to these yahoos. And you could be listening live if you get one of those modern podcast apps. You get a modern podcast or podcast apps, actually. And of course, whenever we release the show, if you can't listen live, you get a live alert for that. It'll be updated within 90 seconds. You know right away that it's time to listen to your best podcast in the universe. And we run this value for value. We have done that for over 18 years. Time, talent and treasure is all that we require in return for the work that we do. And you can do that in a number of ways. You can support us. Boots on the ground, sending us information. I'm missing the military, like the Navy guys. I'm pretty sure it's naval intelligence who does this. These UFO things. And I'm. Of all the military people who have approached us over the years, I don't think a single one has ever been like, hey, man, I got some UFO stuff for you ever. So that's a little disappointing.

[Adam Curry]

That's a fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And it's also. It's a. Yeah, it's a point of note that we've never gotten any of that. We get all the other stuff. You can also do things like make artwork for us. And we appreciate that through noagendaartgenerator.com which one of our producers, Sir Paul Couture, he's been maintaining that for moving on to two decades now. And the artwork for episode 1858, which we titled Nut Spread, which is what Nutella is. Came to us from. Not a new guy, but I don't think has ever had a. Had a win before.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Static lullaby. Static Lullaby is. Static Lullaby is the name. And this was a thing.

[Adam Curry]

It's Lullaby.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is lullaby? Static Lullaby. Okay. Is that how you spell lullaby? I guess so.

[Adam Curry]

I believe so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Static lullaby. This was a piece that was clearly prompted, but well done. So we had the Iron Chic have Trump in some kind of headlock and standing at the side of the ring. We had Fat JD we had Marjorie Taylor Greene down in front with the commentators. Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan with the headset on, Alex Jones all red face and Megyn Kelly. And it said that we had the big banner over the ring, no agenda in the morning slam fest. And we thought it ticked all the boxes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was a nice piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was. It was. Was there anything else?

[Adam Curry]

I'm getting a little tired of the cartoony nature of these, though.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Though.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because if you look at the ones that won recently, they all have the same kind of two dimensional cartoony look.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the same look. A lot of people try to do. Monkey out of the sleeve.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it doesn't work in art. Monkey out of the sleeve. You should be sitting there like, what is this?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's too. What is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's too. What is this? A couple other Iron Chic, but they had. I think it was funny that this guy put Trump in there. Let me see. Was there anything else? The Ayatollah out of business was. Okay. Did you see anything else? I don't think we just.

[Adam Curry]

No, this is the piece I liked right away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was a good piece. We did like that. So thank you very much. We appreciate that. And go to noagendaartgenerator.com and you can support the show in that manner, as many people do. And you can get on the no Agenda Art generator list. It's a. What do you call it? A what? A leaderboard. The leaderboard. That's the term I was looking for. Yeah, you can get on the leaderboard.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Let's take a look at this. Who's on the leaderboard?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, typically it's been Darren o' Neill and Nick the Rat.

[Adam Curry]

Nick the Rat still number one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I think Darren got really close for a minute there to being the top, but then we chose Nick the Rat piece. I think so.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, nick the rat's 193 to 134.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, that's possible, but for the

[Adam Curry]

rolling 90 days, it's different. Ah, that's actually blue acorn. Darren number two.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. The race is on. You can also.

[Adam Curry]

And Darren's number one for six months.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can also support us with your treasure. So it is time, talent and treasure. You do that by going to noagendadonations.com and you can support us in many different ways. PayPal, Stripe Strike for your bitcoin. I think with stripe you can even do stablecoin. We'll take it all. Send it all to us. Or even on that page, noagendadonations.com is where you can learn how to send a check. And checks are fantastic. We love checks. There's almost no processing fee. 15 cents.

[Adam Curry]

Or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or you can go to a no agenda meetup and hand us some value for value right on the spot. And why don't we do that first? Since you had a meetup. I had a meetup.

[Adam Curry]

Right. We've incorporated ours into the spreadsheet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Well, I did not.

[Adam Curry]

So you can just do yours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And before I even do that, I want to thank the fine folks over at the honey place.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the Manuka Honey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Manuka Hunt. The Manuka Gold honey.

[Adam Curry]

They have all kinds of products.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

So, yeah, they sent me a care package.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they've got balm. And wasn't that the stuff that you had as a tip for the dog. For the dog's paws?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. We had as tip of the days for curative.

[John C. Dvorak]

Phoebe's looking at us like we've gone insane. It's like, what are you putting on my paws? What are you doing? Stop that. But man, that is. That's some. That's a dynamite product. Thank you very much for saying that. We really. Manuka Gold. Is that what it's called? Called?

[Adam Curry]

I think it's Manuka Manuk something. It's Manuka Manuka or something like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Manuka honey. Let me just check. Let me see. Let me see. Right here. Is that relief gel face hand cream. Hand cream. Yep. Anti aging properties. I'm gonna. I'm gonna turn into a teenager.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's gotta be fantastic. All right. So we had a lot of people show up at the meetup and do have a meetup report. Now we. There was someone who sent us $340 or gave us $340 and wanted health. Health and jobs karma for all but neglected to put their name on the note. I'm sad to say. Yes. So I'm Going to give you. I'm going to give you a karma. And thank you very much.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got a $5 gold coin. Yeah, one of those teeny ones that is easy to lose.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Lou. Yo.

[John C. Dvorak]

From some super duper cowboys.

[Adam Curry]

This is the first meetup I've been to where I didn't get a silver coin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I. And of course, I don't have this guy's name either, but he was a very cool cowboy dude. Smoking cigars. Outside, we had Rob Carty, the constitutional lawyer. 233 cents. And he says it's on behalf of his wife, Maggie. So it'll be for her damehood. Lauren McDonald Childs, $100. Steve Sir Cashman, $50. Cynthia Cabrera, $500. Baron Gordon Walton, $222. And Dame Karen Bauer. She came in from Boise, Idaho with $300. And let me see, she had a note here. What better time than my attendance at the Fredericksburg meetup on my birthday to attain dame status? Ah, okay. So we're gonna have to. We're gonna have to dame her. Hold on a second. This is why I should have coordinated with Jay, but I don't. I don't have a. I don't see. What is she. Oh, Dame. She's gonna be Dame KB okay, got it. This should get me over the line and a bit extra. Oh, she says I'm not even including the latest donation last year of two dangly balls and double dicks that thought you wouldn't. That you thought would never catch on. Okay, Adam, it didn't shit. But come on. Christy and Jenny and I are doing our best. Please declare me Dame KB of the Boise North End and Greater Hyde Park. My pal Jenny is already a dame of all of Idaho, so I guess I'm still her subject or serf. And for the round table, she wants some really good wine and chocolate. So we'll get some really good wine and chocolate there for you. And thank you everybody who came to the meetup. It was really good. The meetup report is pretty fun. Also at the meetup, and he did send in a note. And he sent in a note with his donation, even though he came to the meetup. Jan Willikens. Jan spoke with him for a while. He's a 5G guy. He works for Ericsson. He cyber guy. So he fights China.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's on the list here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he's number one. He's number one on the top. He's number one, he says. So he came in with $1,052.62 and he says Dear John Adam, this is a Red Knight donation to ease the pain from all those bills John was get for surviving the bad food in the hospital. I hope your recovery is quick and you'll enlighten us with your insights and anecdotes for years to come. It was great to meet Adam the Keeper, Pastor Jimmy, fellow producers at the Fredericksburg meetup and enjoy the Real Texas which is a feat when living in Dimension B land which is Sweden where I live. I've been listening since the daily Source Code days and have listened to Adam doing Countdown and Kurian von Inkle during my teens in Holland. So a major de douching is in order.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

You both kept me grounded and sane for all these years which unfortunately estranged me more and more from the people around me who all still believe that the M5M wants us to believe. As a knight I'd like to be known as Sir John of the Northern Snow Capped Forest and enjoy all at the round table. A Margeous beer. I'm not familiar.

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea what that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marzus beer and a steak with Stepejos. That's thin French fries local to the Belgian province of Limburg. I'd like to request some golden oldie jingles. The European anthem. I look for the European anthem. I thought I had it, so I don't have that. But he did ask for Obama's A team. I've got that for you. Thank you. Four more years Sir John of the Northern Snow capped forests and he will be a knight in the Order of the red heart. P.S. the donation amount includes $52.62. In Fe is a need for a rescue mission when the world is threatened.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

The world needs help.

[John C. Dvorak]

It calls on America. And that's the story.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

And before I read Sir Codes A Lot I want to Mimi insisted that I think she was at the meetup. Thank the Duke of San Francisco for his kind and generous tip. Tip Sir Codes A Lot in Pahrump, Nevada. $1,030.26. Best health to John from Sir Codes A Lot. No jingles, no karma. Now you're talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dame Sandcat Harump, Nevada 10, 30 and 26 cents. Wow, this is definitely night. And Dame of the Red Heart today she says. Hi gents. With this donation I'm now a baroness level and wish John a speedy recovery. I'd like R2D 2 karma and 2 to the head. All right, carry on gents. Baroness Sand Cats,

[Adam Curry]

you've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me go.

[Adam Curry]

Move on to Business Intelligence Group LLC in Beverly, N.J. 333. There's no note here. And so they get a double up. Karma, you've got

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rishi Nakara comes in from Mountain View, California with a handwritten note. 333. Cheers to you, John. And cheers to many more birthdays to come. We're thrilled to hear your recovery is going well and hope for continuing continued healing. It's great hearing your voice back on no Agenda. Your darling wife did a magnificent job in your absence. But there's only one divor act that makes the no Agenda show the gem it is. Thank you for the last year or less near two decades of media deconstruction. Cheers to four more years. Looking forward to buying you a glass at the next meetup. Also, thanks for the great Costco wine tips. Kindness. Regards. Oh, this from Dr. Don and Dame Andrew. So Audra. Audra. I'm sorry I skipped over. I said Rishi Nakara. But it's Audra. It's those them. So Dr. Don named Audra. And we have. I might as well do. Rishi Nakara, who's right after that. Who did not have a note from Mountain View, California. And that means a double up. Karma for you.

[Adam Curry]

You've got

[Various Guests/Reporters]

karma.

[Adam Curry]

And also from Mountain view, Sir Reese Meister. 324. And they. He.

[John C. Dvorak]

She.

[Adam Curry]

He wants a de douching which seems unlikely since it's already a sir, but okay. And jobs.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Karma, you've been de douched.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, Jobs.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Jobs. And jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dave Cardenia, Woodland Park, Colorado. 301 and 3 cents. No note that we can find. So a double up. Karma for Dave.

[Adam Curry]

You've got

[Various Guests/Reporters]

karma.

[Adam Curry]

And then we have Dame Tuthala of the lowland potheads in Oudenbosch.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Tuthola.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Bosch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

233. That's Holland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

233. 33 exactly. What? And itm. This donation is in honor of my colleague, Sir Remco, Knight of the Tavisa and Ribera Deborah. I hit him in the mouth four years ago and he has been a loyal listener ever since. This Wednesday is celebrating his 50th trip around the sun. He's on the birthday list. He fled the country for a few weeks so that he would not be reminded of the big five zero. Well, tough luck, Remco. Now the whole Noah Jenna nation knows. Happy birthday. Please put him on the birthday list. List for April 15th. Also please call out our Polish colleague Robert as a douchebag. Douchebag. Give him good work, cat. AKA Dame Tutla of the lowland potheads out in Bosch, the Netherlands. Jingles, Tutola, tutola, tutola, tutola, tutola. Tutola. Jingles. You're going to need a bitcoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tutola is. It's kind of a slur.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which means you're. In fact, you could say that whore over there is. You know, that's kind of the way they say it in America, the tut. Hola. That's a. I think that's a pretty good translation. They're saying that all hell is going to break loose and you're going to need a bitcoin keeper. Felicity comes in as an associate executive producer with the row of ducks 22222 and says, Sir Weegee, the famous of both salt and pepper mix of both salt and pepper mix, has his birthday on April 9 and would fill him with joy to hear you two sending greetings his way. Could you put him on the birthday list? It has been written and apply the donation credit to him for his progress at the round table. Some goat screams and karma would be awesome. Many, many thanks. And please tell the listeners to go to useboth.com that's useboth.com for spicy relief from the news of the day. You guys rock, says his keeper, Felicity.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

I wrap it up with Linda Lupatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado. 200 jobs. Karma. Your resume has about 10. Whoops. I just. I just moved the thing over. Your Resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And Linda Liu, duchess of jobs and writer of Winning resumes.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

As always, on the best podcast in the universe, we thank everybody $50 and above. These executive and associate executive producers get real Hollywood credits. So you could be just like those two UFO dudes and also get approached by all kinds of spooky men in black from Intelligence. That means if you send us $200 or above as a value for value donation, you become an associate executive producer and we will read your note. $300 and above executive producer. These are real executive producer credits. You can put it on IMDb.com and we will also read your note and we thank you very Much. We see Dame Rita coming in with $188.33 from Sparks, Nevada. And she says, ITM JCD and Adam, Sir Fast Eddie, Alameda, California. 100 bucks. Welcome back, JCD100 from Sir Montauk. He wanted to donate 100 trillion, but the bill appears to be a replica. Okay, thanks, Sir Zilbat.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. He tossed in one of those Zimbabwe notes and then a replica of something. That's just ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of those deals.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Zolbat. 1. And he says, glad you had the foresight to be at the doctor's office to have a heart attack. No, he wasn't. He was actually in the hospital at that time. Ken from El Cebrante, California, 100. Angela Garcia, San Francisco, California. 100. Were these meetups?

[Adam Curry]

These are from the meetup and Angela also dropped off the normal. She does miniatures.

[John C. Dvorak]

Miniatures?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Little bitty things. She'll make a little bitty thing. It's like a. You have to see the. I'll take some photos and put in a newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sean Ryan, who was at the meetup yesterday, sent in a boob donation. 8008. Real pleasure to meet you. Your lovely, engaging wife, Tina. All the other no agenda show producers who graced us with a unique cub. Good company. And he sent quite a long note about the moon landing, which he says is legit. I'm not going to argue with you. Thank you very much. Sean Ryan, dude at large. Santellia Services in Fouque Verena. I think I said it right. North Carolina. Boob donation 8008. Kevin McLaughlin. There he is. The archduke of Luna, Lover of America and boobs from Concord, North Carolina, the O. G. Boob donor. He says, God bless America and boobs with eight. $80.08. 8008.

[Adam Curry]

Sean.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is Sean C. Ryan again from Valente, Texas. Okay, Sean. Sir Johnny B. Good.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, now he wants to get bumped to executive producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not sure.

[Adam Curry]

How many donations did he do?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, we'll find out. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

We'll check later.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will. We. If. If it's warranted. We will take care of you. No doubt about it, Sir Johnny B. Goode, Colorado Springs, Colorado. Happy belated birthday to John. That's a 7747. Welcome back. Four more years. Ah, that's my boy. John Fuller in Colorado Springs. No slouch in the radio business. So recalcitrant crazy. Although his wife listens more than he does. Sura. Recalcitrant crazy Steve. I think the second Santa Rosa, California 7452. Happy birthday. John Christopher Dector. 5678. We see what you do there. Lane Lamoreaux from Baghdad. Baghdad, that's right. They come from everywhere. 55 missiles and things that go boom. Booted me out of Baghdad. Now I benefit from no Agenda deconstruction in Ethiopia. He's moved on. Keen to return to the American University of Iraq. Baghdad when the dust settles. Appreciate the deconstruction. Keep us informed. What's going on? Tell us what's going on. Ethiopia, Africa News, please, please. Tim Del Vecchio, Blandon, Pennsylvania. Oh, we're at the 50s. $50. Gary Mao, Woodland Hills, California. Dame Patricia Worthington, Miami, Florida. Sir Cashman, aka Steve Myers, he sent the note. He says, sorry for the lack of. The envelope was a spontaneous decision to just empty my wallet. Thank you very much, Sir Cashman. He's from Austin. And we winded up with Brandon Savoie from Port Orchard, Washington. And those are our supporters. Value for value for episode 1859 of the Best podcast in the universe. We appreciate so much that you even consider us, but, you know, we do put the work in. So that's how it. That's how it goes here. We don't. We actually don't have any bonus packages or premium stuff. There's no subscriptions.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whenever you feel like it. If you feel that you've received enough value from the show, go to noagendadonations.com you can do many other ways of supporting us. Value for Value. No Agenda Donations dot com. You can even set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency, all up to you. You determine what the value is. No agendadonations.com. Very short list, but we got him anyway. Keeper Felicity wishes Sir Ouija a very happy birthday. He'll be celebrating this coming week on April 9th. And Dame Toothola. Happy birthday to Sir Remco, Knight of Tevisa and Rivera Debre. He'll be turning 50 on April 15th. And we say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. That's right, once you become a dame or a Knight of the no Agenda Roundtable, you just move right on up into the peerage ladder. And Dame Sand Cat today moves up to become Baroness Sandcat. And we congratulate her with her additional peerage listing here at the no Agenda Show. And here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Behold the honor of the heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pure of purpose, right from the start.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning, brave and smart. The Order of the Heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. We have brand new knights and a. A Dame of The Order of the Heart. And those go to Sir John of the Northern Snow Capped Forest. Sir Codes A lot. And Baroness Sand Cat. That means you will get an additional beautiful lapel pin celebrating John's life with a. With a red heart.

[Adam Curry]

Yay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Welcome to the Order of the Heart.

[Adam Curry]

Yay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pure of purpose, right from the start.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brave and smart.

[Adam Curry]

The Order of the Heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now let me just make sure I get the. So we have to. I got one extra knight to add. And that was. That was Yan, wasn't it?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Thought you added him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me just see. Was it Yan? I thought it was. Oh, man, I think it's Jan. Wait, who wanted the. No, who wanted the merge? Seuss Beer.

[Adam Curry]

This was. You're reading from your little group of well wishers from the meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it's because we got it. Now I'm really confused. Hold on a second. Second. Let me just see. Baroness. I can't find it. Now, do you see it on the spreadsheet? Because he sent it. Oh, yeah, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Was it on the spreadsheet? Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Young Vilikus. Okay, it is Young Villikas. Okay, but he wants to be. What is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's already on here, sir.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is he on? Oh, okay, I see what I did. I'm sorry. Pay no attention. Grab your sword. Just pay no attention to the guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got a sword for you right here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes, the sword is there. Okay. Thanks to the support of the best podcast the universe, the amount of $1,000 more, we have one knight and one dame to bring to the Round Table. So please, young Vilikins and Karen Bauer, I hereby pronounce the KB as Sir John of the Northern Snow Capped Forest. And Dame KB for you, we've got Hookers of Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay. Also, we've got Murders, Beer and Steaks with Steppen Grass. And we've got some really good wine and chocolate, because chocolate is good. Along with that, obviously ginger ale and gerbils. We got some breast milk and pablum and as always, the mutton and the mead. Thank you very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe, both of you both. Great to see you both actually at the meetup. Go to noagendarings.com that's where you can not only take a look at the beautiful signet ring. Are you okay? You keep bumping stuff around.

[Adam Curry]

No, sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's okay. I just want to make sure you didn't drop Beautiful signet ring, which means not only will you get the ring, but we also supply you with some wax. You can seal your important correspondence with that and a certificate of authenticity, as always. And thank you so much and thank you everybody. So for supporting [e-mail] now why don't we take a look at some of those meetups because we are talking about the meetups. People probably thinking, what is this meetup? Well, if you listen to these meetup reports, you'll get the idea pretty quickly.

[Adam Curry]

No agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, These meetups take place everywhere around the world that you can imagine.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Noagendameetups.com and we love it when people send reports, especially when they're from afar. Here is Osaka, Japan,

[Adam Curry]

from the only

[John C. Dvorak]

city in the world with the airport code, itm. This is Sir Bill of Osaka coming

[Adam Curry]

to you from the moat of Osaka

[John C. Dvorak]

Castle where we held this year's cherry blossom viewing meetup. We were joined by several folks right off the boat from their respective FEMA

[Adam Curry]

regions and one special guest from the People's Republic of Canada who brought gifts.

[John C. Dvorak]

This year was our most moist meetup yet.

[Adam Curry]

Patrick Burns from the hill country of California and Placerville, in business in Japan and had to come to a meetup

[John C. Dvorak]

in Osaka in the morning. This is Casey.

[Adam Curry]

Neither snow nor rain nor sleet shall stop the Osaka meetup. In the morning. It's Chris from FEMA region number six back bouncing straight off the airplane to our first meetup here in Osaka in the morning. It's Kim from the hill country of Texas. Hey, John and Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Konichiwa. This is Sir Circumstance over here in

[Adam Curry]

Osaka, turning down my speakers and getting

[John C. Dvorak]

closer to the mic.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, sir. Hank.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was nobody in Fukuoka, so I

[Adam Curry]

got food poisoning instead. Hi, this is Mike from the adult music podcast. It's going to take more than a

[John C. Dvorak]

little rain to keep me from a

[Adam Curry]

no agenda outdoor meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir, 3D here.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry, no server. It's raining and we can't hang out with our server.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rack out. All right, Osaka. Lovely to hear people from America in Osaka. It's fantastic. Here it is one of the longer meetup reports, but there were, I think 33 people and they all had to say, hi, this is the Fredericksburg, Texas meetup report.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, this is Greg speaker, sir, thanks A lot of the racetrack. Hi, this is Ashlyn, the first dame of speed.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Thank you everyone for cheering me and the no Agenda race car on for all these years.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Paul Bailey from Canyon Lake.

[Adam Curry]

Don't forget to download the Godcaster app in the Morning. This is Seth Griffin from Buda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just hanging out with the guys here at the no agenda meetup in the morning slaves. This is John Willikens all the way from Sweden.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Here we are in Fredericksburg.

[Adam Curry]

Another great meetup.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Thanks to everybody for coming out.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, in the morning, this is Holly.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

We missed you here, John. We're glad you're back on the show. I heard that gardening and listening to the best podcast in the universe is the thing to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karen Bauer from Boise, Idaho.

[Adam Curry]

So happy to be here in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Michael Rankin in Fredericksburg in the morning. This is Matt.

[Adam Curry]

Great times.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Hi. This is Dame Mary of the Domstead.

[Adam Curry]

I'm so happy to be here and

[Various Guests/Reporters]

I'm really happy John made it through

[Adam Curry]

and is back on the show. We're here talking with Pastor Jimmy. Hey, I just want to give a great shout out to John Dvorak. So happy you're doing good. So happy you turned the corner in all this and so proud that you're healthy again. Hang in there, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is one half of the dynamic duo and I just have to thank Matt and Gail and Holly who took care of everything for us. Food wise and organization. Organization wise and of course, J6 or Jenny. Everybody here at Bar 1776. What a great meetup. I could not do it without Tina the keeper in the morning. I'm glad everybody is here.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

This is Tina the keeper.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, Jared and Jacob. You guys are a couple of douchebags. Douchebags.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

I'm Lindsay of the house Hunters. I came here from Atlanta. It's my birthday. In the morning.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning. Barb.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Hi, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Jay from Weatherford, Texas, in the morning, it's paige.

[Adam Curry]

We're at 1776 Bar Fredericksburg, Ms. Everybody

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Else, it's an awesome party in the

[Adam Curry]

morning to everybody there, Tracy Johnson of Georgetown, Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

And my amygdala is getting smaller as we speak. This is Brendan from Local 512 saying in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is Steve Sir Cashman from Austin, Texas out here in Luke and Bach enjoying some great times, some vibrations and all I am is just great that John's healthy and Adam's here in the morning. This is John from Austin, Texas at the no agenda meetup. It's great out here.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's Skunk beard from Seedling, Texas in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, this is Sir Lastro and I

[John C. Dvorak]

just want to say that when my

[Adam Curry]

wife and I decided on what we could do that would be best for a date night, we decided what could be better than a no agenda meetup. So in the morning and glad to be here. Baron Gordon Walton of Milam County. John C. Dev, get in the Lexus and drive to Texas. You missed a darn good meetup in the morning.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

Baroness Mary Brett here.

[Adam Curry]

Listen to the Doers of Things podcast. Thanks, Tree courage. Hey, this is Rob, your constitutional lawyer. Jcd. You may be entitled to compensation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Call now.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, this is Robbie Carty.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am Rob's son.

[Adam Curry]

Good afternoon, citizens and slaves.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Vi Count, Chris Cowan from North Austin, here with Sir Brian with

[Adam Curry]

an I having a great time at the Fredericksburg meetup. Sean Ryan, first meetup ever listener since last September. This is just awesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks so much, Sir Brian in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

I was told I need no introduction, but this is Sir Brian with an

[John C. Dvorak]

I here in Luckenbach, Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, y', all, this is Jenny McCombs here with the no Agenda Meetup at the 1776 Bar in Fredericksburg. This is now our fourth time to get to host the meetup. We absolutely love having you guys coming out. We'll do it again probably in October.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

So all of you that didn't make it this time, y' all come next time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good morning. You know the constitutional lawyer, Rob, he could set up a stand. Everybody's like, hey, man, can you get me some money? And Ashlyn Speed was there with her dad, Greg, which was lovely to see them. You know, she's. She's hung up her gloves and she's now opened a nail salon. And I have to say, I love her nails. Frank Zappa callback. Thank you, man. So many people were there. Also the triple trap baby family, Jamie with his lovely wife and the three kids. They're just so beautiful. Everyone's. Everyone's beautiful at these meetups. We have one coming coming up on Thursday. It's the fifth anniversary edition of Charlotte's 33rd. Thursday at 7:00 clock at Ed's Tavern as usual in Charlotte, North Carolina. And in the next few weeks, April 18th, Fort Wayne, Indiana. Franklin, Tennessee, the 19th, Indianapolis, Indiana, Vancouver, British Columbia, the 25th. Scheifening in the Netherlands, Albuquerque, New Mexico. Brighton, Michigan, on the 26th. Leipzig, Germany, on the 30th. Moving into May. Buda, Texas, on the 8th, Leiden in the Netherlands on the 8th, San, California, the 9th, Eagle, Idaho, on the 9th, and Chattanooga, Tennessee, on May 23rd. Go to noagendameetups.com that is where you will find connection that gives you protection. These people that you meet are definitely your first responders in any emergency. Go to noagendameetups.com find out what all the hullabaloo is about. You will love these meetups. If you can't find one near you, no agenda. Meetups.com. go ahead, start one yourself. It's easy and always guaranteed a party.

[Adam Curry]

Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you won't be triggered on Hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want to be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, baby. It's just like a party. We have John's tip of the day coming up. You hanging in there going good, man?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, no problemo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your voice got better over time. There was like the first 15 minutes, and it got a little tough, and then you kind of pulled.

[Adam Curry]

I'm experimenting with all these lozenges.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Which one? Now you had. You have sprays, you've got drinks, you've got lozenges, you got goop. What is working the best?

[Adam Curry]

Nothing really that good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. No, And I'm sure none of it tastes good.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, one of them does taste good, but it doesn't really work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. How. How are you feeling in general? How was the meetup? Were you tired? I mean, how long did you stay?

[Adam Curry]

I stayed there for over an hour.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's pretty good. And did you have your walker and were you like.

[Adam Curry]

No, you might go walk around with that thing. Like a weenie wandered in.

[John C. Dvorak]

He actually walked in. People like, I can't believe you're walking.

[Adam Curry]

I got a standing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, of course you did.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I thought that was funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well deserved. Well, hey, all you had to do was just get through it, man, and live. We all are very, very happy. I'm very happy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, me too.

[John C. Dvorak]

You above all. End of show. ISOs. I've got four. I see you have one. So shall I roll mine out first?

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me. Yeah. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here we go. Number one.

[Adam Curry]

I love that. And that's wonderful. And that's a wonderful model.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's too long.

[Adam Curry]

Too long.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about this one? Calm down. This one, it's over. And this one, they had a great time. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It's not bad. What says. Says Megyn Kelly was thematic on today's show. Yes, I have this.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

No bs, no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You know how many people email me about that, man, she's stealing your. She's stealing your. Your trademark, man. Should we sue her? Can we sue her? Can we get Rob on the case or.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think that's really legit.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not legit. Well, we're gonna use it. That we can do we'll use it. We'll just. We'll say, hey, you know, we'll just.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

No bs, no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

But before we get to using any of that, it's first, it's time for John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam. Okay, so this is a tip that both. Both Jay and Mimi insist because they both use them. I guess everybody's using these things but me. Tell me if you can hear this. I'm gonna light it here in front of the mic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that sounds like. Like some kind of butane lighter.

[Adam Curry]

No, this is a suppress electric arc, windproof, flameless USB rechargeable lighter. It's not a. It's. It's. It's like a plasma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, so it does. It has no fuel.

[Adam Curry]

No, you just. It's got a USB port on the back. You plug it into your computer, it charges it up, and it's good for how many. How many lights is this thing good for? A lot. A lot. So it's good for a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's made plasma. Plasma?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It's like a little plasma electrical plasma thing that goes across the. It arcs and you stick that arc right on top of the candle and lights the candle.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm sure it's windproof, waterproof.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douchebag proof.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. And what is.

[Adam Curry]

It's very cute.

[John C. Dvorak]

What does this retail for?

[Adam Curry]

9 bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's call it number five.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

You.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you get in on this item? We should do home shopping.

[Adam Curry]

I know we should. Yes, we're going to resort to that eventually. The way things are going, we would kill with that. But yes, this is nine bucks bucks. Amazon has it as Amazon choice Supras electric lighter arc windproof, flameless USB rechargeable lighter.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't. I think this is. We should do the first home shopping podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe that's not a bad idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Until then, it'll just have to be John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Not a bad idea. And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. No agenda fun.com tipoftheday.net is where you can find all of those as we come to the conclusion of another episode and broadcast day of your best podcast in the universe. Nick the Rat is coming up next. If you want to stay tuned on the no Agenda stream or in your modern podcast app, End of showman mixes, we got a couple of cool little ditties in here from Cord McPhill, Jeff Crocker, MVP, of course, all coming in for our end of show mix. We always are open for end of show mixes. About a minute and a half is what we'd like them to be. Email [e-mail] and that's it. I got nothing else. We're glad you're alive. We're glad you're here. I'm going to keep saying that for the next four years. I love how you laugh about that. Doesn't make me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because you might just do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I might.

[Adam Curry]

I might.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country, Fredericksburg, Texas. Come visit us sometime. We're a fun little community in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from Refinery Row, I'm John C. Devora, Act.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be back on Thursday. We hope you join us same time, same podcast channel. Until then, remember us at no agenda donations.com support us, value for value. Until then, adios mofos a hui hui and such.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

This is a gitmonation podcast. Guaranteed human.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm wide awake for the heart to heart Watching the doctor play a

[Adam Curry]

game of Mario Kart with my ticker

[John C. Dvorak]

and my valves and a shiny little pump Every time the beat drops I give a little jump yeah, I'm the

[Adam Curry]

guest of honor but I didn't get

[John C. Dvorak]

the memo Now I'm live streaming my own internal demo Nurses talking bout her weekend at the lake I'm thinking bout the chocolate icing on a cake I wanna join the chat and give my

[Adam Curry]

two cents But I'm a silent partner

[John C. Dvorak]

in these current events Past the forceps yeah, I heard that loud and clear Is that a squeaky shoe coming over near? It's a bizarro party and I'm the

[Adam Curry]

centerpiece Just a little glitch in the

[John C. Dvorak]

anesthetic piece oh I'm wide awake for the hot piece Watching the doctor play a game of Mario Kart with my ticker and my vowels and a shiny little pump Every time the beat drops I give a little jump.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm the guest of honor But

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't get the memo Now I'm live streaming my own internal demo

[Adam Curry]

TikTok goes the clock on the wall. I'm the most conscious person in the

[John C. Dvorak]

hospital all no nap for me Just

[Adam Curry]

a front row seat to the rhythm

[John C. Dvorak]

of my own funky looking beat. Hey kids, guess what's back?

[Adam Curry]

What is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Everyone's favorite astronaut drink from the 1960s. It's T.A. that's right. Your parents loved it. And now it comes in a new flavor. Prune Prune tag Now with puberty blocker this is gross.

[Adam Curry]

Get it at your local Planned Parenthood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, vote Democrat.

[Adam Curry]

Breaking the banner flashes red on the wall I'm bracing the impact with an Adderall Another crisis to crave While the dextroamphetamine starts to behave Keeping my eyelids uncurled as I watch the slow motion collapse of the world the banner is scrolling A digital knife I need an adevant just to have a life we're live on the scene where the sirens all wail My mode of phenyl focus is starting to fail the feed is a flicker of static and smoke I'm reaching for Xanax before I can show Percocet batting for the blow by blow as the Vicodin softens the glare of the show A claw pin shield for if it bleeds it leads Looking for truth in a 50 inch screen give

[John C. Dvorak]

me something for the noise, something for

[Adam Curry]

the heat the world is on fire and it's trending in a tweet from the PE to the panic to the chemical floor I can't remember what I'm looking for anymore. Methadone drip for the tragedy stream Hydromorphone

[John C. Dvorak]

heavy a grayscale dream but it's already

[Adam Curry]

old the fentanyl silence is starting to hold Sonata shadows on the living room floor Breaking news Pounding at the bedroom

[John C. Dvorak]

door I'm trying to stay woke, trying

[Adam Curry]

to stay wired but the ambient walrus says we're both getting fired we're live

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, am I the reporter? The hydromorphone just crossed the border of my brain breaking Is that a bird?

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe.

[Various Guests/Reporters]

No bs, no agenda.