1862 - "Smear Machine"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1862: “Smear Machine”

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: April 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and irreverent episode of No Agenda, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak deconstruct the latest media narratives, with a primary focus on the explosive fraud indictment against the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). The hosts examine the historical and present impact of the SPLC as a so-called “hate group watchdog,” the organization's alleged role in fomenting racial hatred, and what this means for the media's trusted sources in fact-checking.

Additional topics include:

• Personal health updates and behind-the-scenes banter
• Smear campaigns targeting FBI Director Kash Patel
• UK political scandals involving Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein
• Trump’s steel tariffs and economic strategies
• Vaccine side effect revelations
• Media bias, podcast culture, and more

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Updates and Banter

[00:00–12:31]

• Adam and John open with their signature greeting and self-deprecating humor about their aging bodies and health issues (“cedar fever,” hospital visits, confusing phone logistics).
• Adam shares a story about being outfitted with uncomfortable hospital devices and being forced to use an outdated Android phone for medical tracking, failing to keep up with John's texts.
  • “They said, this phone is old. And I said, yeah, it works. What am I supposed to say?” (Adam, 02:09)
• John describes a confrontation with a hospital doctor whom he accused of “having no concern for the patient’s needs,” resulting in escalating supervisory interventions.
• Both illustrate frustrations with bureaucracy, Medicare incentives, and hospital red tape:
  • “All these systems across the country are gouging the government … doing everything they can to break [Medicare].” (Adam, 07:33)

2. Southern Poverty Law Center Indictment

[13:11–32:31]

SPLC’s Reputation and the Breaking News

• John revisits the decades-old skepticism they've expressed toward the SPLC:
  • “It was so obvious to us that this is bull crap.” (John, 16:31)
• SPLC charged with wire and bank fraud for paying extremist group members and hiding it from donors and banks.
  • “The SPLC was not dismantling these groups. It was instead manufacturing the extremism it purports to oppose by paying sources to stoke racial hatred.” (DOJ indictment, 18:20)
• SPLC set up shell companies (e.g. “Center Investigative Agency”—a nod to the CIA) to funnel payments.

The Media’s Role & Fact-Checking Trust

• Adam and John discuss how the media used SPLC as an unquestioned authority, fueling narratives around hate groups (“authoritative resource” for fact-checking outfits).
• NPR coverage is reviewed for its apologetic tone and “alleged, alleged” distancing.
• Discussion of how this indictment undermines a pillar of media ‘fact-checking’ and why mainstream coverage is minimal:
  • “That’s why there’s almost no M5M coverage of this … because they were all using SPLC.” (John, 22:15)
• Notable Moment:
  • “They were financing the hate groups … that hate group situation in Charlottesville … was financed by the Southern Poverty Law Center.” (Adam, 17:39)
  • “This is marketing genius.” (Adam, 17:38)

3. The “Smear Machine” Turns on Its Critics

[35:43–44:32]

• With SPLC discredited, attention turns to current “smear” attempts targeting dissenting figures like FBI Director Kash Patel.
• Analysis of journalistic pile-on against Patel (alleged problems with drinking, Atlantic article, subsequent retractions).
  • “The drunk thing is … ironic since Trump is the president. No drinking.” (Adam, 42:59)
• Patel's aggressive legal response via defamation lawsuit, and his broader claim of being targeted by the media-political machine for exposing election abuses.
• Notable Quote:
  • “When you’re over the target, you keep pummeling the target because the media is going to try and pummel you.” (Kash Patel, 46:12)

4. UK Scandal: Mandelson, Epstein, and Political Vetting

[56:06–62:15]

• Revelations about former Labour figure Peter Mandelson and his connections to Jeffrey Epstein, and why Mandelson was rushed to be UK ambassador to the US.
• Critique of Starmer government’s failure to do due diligence; broader analysis of elite incestuousness.
• Notable Quote:
  • “This is what happens when you resurrect the carcasses of a man like Peter Mandelson's political career.” (Esther Krakow, 56:49)

5. Trump Policy – Steel Tariffs

[109:52–116:32, see also 115:04]

• Deep-dive into Trump’s executive order revamping steel tariffs, now assessed on the whole product instead of only the steel component—seen as a key move for US industrial resilience.
• Discussion on how this strategic ‘regime change’ in the steel industry could drive investment, jobs, and fulfill prior campaign promises.
• “He's breaking things apart systematically. And he does not care what Tucker and Buckley think of him. He's doing it ultimately for my grandchild, the way I see it.” (John, 107:18)
• “25 billion in investments … will put online an additional 4 million tons of steel capacity … that’s not just economic might, that is national security.” (Steel exec, 113:44)

6. Media, Fact-Checking, and Podcast Frustrations

[92:28–101:16]

• Review and critique of Tucker Carlson's new podcast with brother Buckley, focused on their disillusionment with Trump over the Iran war and Jewish donor influence.
• John and Adam point out the circular, self-affirming logic between podcast hosts:
  • “Two hours, these two guys agreeing with each other … it was pretty boring, but I sat through it.” (John, 104:41)
• Contrast with Eric Weinstein's analysis of Trump as a “strategic drunken boxer”—intentionally inscrutable and disruptive to the system.

7. Vaccine “Bombshells” and Dissent

[85:53–91:30]

• Senator Ron Johnson presents VAERS data suggesting suppressed vaccine dangers, focusing on myocarditis and stroke signals.
• Danish study cited indicating small batches of COVID vaccines were responsible for most adverse events.
  • “4.2% of the batches … accounted for skyrocketing serious adverse events.” (Adam, 87:46)
• Host commentary on pharmaceutical liability and regulatory failures.

8. Oddballs, Banter, & Community

Throughout, especially [1:18:53–1:23:08]

• Humor and personal recollections, e.g., Adam’s stories about rolling his own cigarettes, discussion of the UK’s tobacco ban and how big tobacco is shifting toward vapes and nicotine products.
• Meet-up reports, value-for-value donations, and inside references make the episode as much a community experience as commentary.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Exchanges

• “People are innocent until alleged to be involved in some type of criminal activity.” — John Brennan (50:22)
• “You want to be a hate group or you want to help us?” — Adam (14:58), lampooning SPLC’s model
• “This has been 15 years of the show. We've always been grousing about these guys.” — John (22:15)
• “They were just manufacturing the extremism they claim to be fighting.” — DOJ indictment (18:20 paraphrased)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–12:31: Health updates, hospital misadventures, Medicare commentary
• 13:11–32:31: SPLC indictment, origins, media complicity, and fundraising schemes
• 35:43–44:32: Smear campaign against Kash Patel; how the “smear machine” operates
• 56:06–62:15: UK’s Mandelson-Epstein scandal; international ramifications
• 85:53–91:30: Vaccine adverse event data and government handling
• 92:28–104:41: Podcast culture, media bias, Tucker & Buckley critique
• 109:52–116:32: Steel tariffs, executive orders, manufacturing resurgence

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Episode Tone and Style

True to No Agenda form, the episode is fast-paced, sardonic, and skeptical, blending heavy media criticism with personal anecdotes and listener engagement. Adam and John’s back-and-forth, peppered with sarcasm (“Fair and balanced is bull crap. We’re very unbalanced, in fact.” — John, 129:14), sets a tone that’s both entertaining and disarming, while also offering a pointed critique of mainstream narratives.

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Conclusion

This episode provides a thorough deconstruction of the SPLC fraud scandal and the broader fallout for fact-checking and media integrity. The hosts draw clear lines of connection between narratives, media complicity, political maneuvering, and ongoing information warfare—always with their trademark skepticism and humor.

For listeners who missed the episode: Expect insider jokes, strong opinions, and deep dives into “who benefits?” as well as plenty of advice, musical jingles, and value-for-value donation appeals. The No Agenda Show remains an essential listen for anyone seeking to unpack (and laugh at) the ongoing saga of mainstream media and political spin.

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For the full show, community meetups, and to support the “value for value” model: visit noagendashow.com and noagendadonations.com.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry. John C. Dvorak, it's Thursday, April 23rd, 2026. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1862. This is no Agenda, Minding the minds and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas snow country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from Refinery Row in Northern California, we're all asking Donald Trump, daddy, are we there yet? I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Unidentified Male]

So

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want to be the one to complain because I am not the worst wounded on this show, but I have the cedar fever.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the what?

[John C. Dvorak]

The cedar fever.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, cedar. Oh, this is. Every year this happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, and the.

[Adam Curry]

When I thought you had the HIPAA filter. The HIPAA filter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's everywhere. And, and during the. The bat signaling caught in my throat and during this opening, it caught my. And it's ha. And the only cure for a fever is more cowbell. It's just so bad. Anyway, I'll get through it. How are you, ma'?

[Unidentified Female]

Am?

[John C. Dvorak]

We, we got a little scare. Scare. We were afeared for you.

[Adam Curry]

I had to go into the hospital for a certain checkup and then they outfitted me with a, with one of these. With a bunch of gear. Strapped.

[John C. Dvorak]

He strapped everybody. What are you strapped with? What are you strapped with? You got a neck?

[Adam Curry]

I got some uncomfortable device on and a. Some sort of a pad, some. Some weird sticker. It looks like a decal that, that sends. That collects data. Wait, and 247 and for two weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does this send. This is connected to an iPhone. Please tell me it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah,

[John C. Dvorak]

to Jay's iPhone. Whose iPhone?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, this is connected. I, they, they, I had my phone and they said, there's an app, you gotta have it. Cause it collects on the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. You showed them your phone? They went, what is that?

[Adam Curry]

They, they said, this phone is old. And I said, yeah, it works. It works. What am I supposed to say? And so they said. So they gave. So they gave me a phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they gave an iPhone?

[Adam Curry]

No, not an iPhone. Some. Some Android.

[John C. Dvorak]

Android. So they guess. So your Android was not even compatible with today's modern technology.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, because here's, here's. I got no information. Did you get my text? I sent you a text. Did you get my text? No, you didn't get my text? It's on your phone.

[Adam Curry]

On the phone. Oh, you should send it to the text system.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are confusing. You text. You call me from your phone. You text Me from your phone. Now I start using that, I'm like, hey, this is John's phone. You're in the hospital. And then I might as well not exist. Meanwhile, Horus is like, oh, yeah, I talked to John. Everything's fine. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know, this Mimi keeps telling me, stop talking to Horowitz. It hurts Adam's feelings.

[John C. Dvorak]

It does. Well, you know, since I didn't hear back from you.

[Adam Curry]

Like, I only talked to Horowitz because they had to skip the show because they were doing something. And they. This horrible situation occurred with me and a specific doctor at the hospital who I chewed out. And then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa, whoa. Can you talk about it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'll talk about it. So I had this doctor that was at the top. There's a doctor that's in charge of the floor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you mind. Do you mind if I go back a second?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I heard that you were. You went to the er. This is. This. This is the information I got. You went to. Here's. Here's how it was conveyed to me. What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I mean, this is going to interrupt my story, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Well, I think it flows into your story. So John's in the er. Okay. Is he okay? Well, yeah, but he's been waiting for hours. And I got the impression that you were lying on a gurney in the hallway.

[Adam Curry]

Might as well have been, though.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Because I started pulling the bats.

[Adam Curry]

So the reason I'm irked about it is because this doctor comes in,

[John C. Dvorak]

small

[Adam Curry]

Chinese woman, and says, we gotta keep another day. What? No, I come in, I'm going in, I'm in and I'm out. Another day. And she looked at nothing to determine this. So the next day I'm upstairs, stuck there, and she comes in. You gotta keep you another day.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

So I got. This was from a long series of things. So I got mad at her and told her she's not interested in the patients whatsoever. And then I said to her, this is very dramatic because Brennan was there witnessing this.

[Unidentified Male]

Here it comes.

[Adam Curry]

I said, you know what? You're a lousy doctor. You have no concern for the patient's needs or desires. And then I kept reading her to the riot act. And so she left.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, she didn't say anything? She didn't?

[Adam Curry]

Well, she kind of pushed back a little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did she huff? She should have at least huffed.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe she had a mask on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, of course, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Masked all the. Always masks. And so one of the nurses comes in and I'm gossiping whether. Because I do that with the Nurses. And I said, I did what I did. I told her what I did. And the nurse says, you want to file a report?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, please.

[Adam Curry]

And I took about five beats. I said, yeah, yeah. And so she rushes over to the console and says, tell me everything. You know, it was obvious to me

[John C. Dvorak]

that this doctor is a problem doctor.

[Adam Curry]

That was my determination. And so then meanwhile, then the supervisor comes in and grills me and makes me tell the story. And then she's, oh, you know, we were trying to be for the patient. You know, we.

[John C. Dvorak]

When the nurses don't like the doctor, that's a problem with that doctor.

[Adam Curry]

And then there is a. I don't know that, by the way. I don't know what you just said. I'm not sure that's true, but I'm, I. Because I don't want to, you know, demean the nurse. But it's probably true. But the. Then I got another supervisor coming in, so. So what I've done was I like an A hole that I can be, if you haven't noticed. No, I went through the system, you know, because there are ways you can complain, but doing it from the outside in, having worked in a bureaucracy for eight years, doing it from the outside in is not the same as doing it from the inside out.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's in trouble, and rightly so, because was she just trying to up her. Do you think she gets paid more by keeping you there longer? Is there insensitive?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I've concluded the following. If you're a Medicare patient, the money's automatic, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

So the money's coming.

[Adam Curry]

They just have, they don't have to fight you for the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're, you're a, you're a gold mine.

[Adam Curry]

So Medicare patients, let's do what, what can we do? And so I think that all these, all these systems, not just the one I'm here with, all these systems across the country are gouging the government. That's why Medicare. Oh, what are we going to do? You know, it's going, it's going broke. Yeah, for good reason. They're doing everything they can to break it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm surprised they didn't slap you on event for another 11 grand. Let's put this old geezer on event. We know, we know. That's a. Make money in the bank. Yeah. Wow. Hey, can we publish that data that they're collecting? Can we make like a real time JCD graph, Health graph?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we're going to try to get all the records.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I was concerned, you know, if I.

[Adam Curry]

If I was concerned and if it was bad enough that. That it involved you, I would have called you. Yeah, I only called Horowitz because I had to skip the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but the fact that you didn't call or didn't even answer my text made me feel like it was. No, it's okay. That it was much worse because all I got from Jay is, hey, just an FYI, John's at the er. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I'm not complaining, by the way. The reason I was in the er, because when they go in there, you get checked in. That's where you have to go, is I was there forever because there was a fiasco situation, which is another whole story, which I won't tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was some kind of horrible accident that took place.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, they just. It's just a logistics thing. It was ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Let me guess. A bunch of illegal aliens had priority over you? That was my conclusion.

[Adam Curry]

But, you know, it's possible anyway, as long as they get their money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, you know what? You sound good. In fact, you want to. Shall I just tell you what my text was to you? I'm sorry, Shall I read you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, hold on a second. Let me turn off the heater.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was going to be my next complaint.

[Adam Curry]

Now I can hear you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so here's. Here's. Here's my text. Hope you're enjoying.

[Adam Curry]

Never let a good text go to waste.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hope you're enjoying your stay. What a bummer. This sucks. Don't worry about clips for Thursday. I'll have us well covered. Just show up and grouse as usual. Come on, man. That's a great text for somebody who's in the er.

[Adam Curry]

You're like an amateur writer. Can't throw anything out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, I'm glad you're okay. You sound great. You sound fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, about an hour from now, I'll be grasping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, between the two of us, man, I've had this fever. You can literally feel the pollen sticking in your throat. It's nuts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you say this every year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I had it in January and now it's come back. So this is now you know?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That doesn't make any sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but everyone has it. Everyone has scratchy eye. Who knows? It's probably the chemtrails.

[Adam Curry]

You got the HEPA going.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got the HEPA going. I got everything going. What really seems to work. Oh, Manuka Gold. The Manuka Gold, honey. Yeah, so I had. Along with this, I had really pain in my left side, and it kind of went to My back. And it was muscle pain, Muscle spasm. What this is old, old guy talking about I. So Patina says, hey, we got some of that Manuka Gold pain relief. So I opened the thing I was expecting honey goo. No, it's like. It's like a balm, you know, but a jelly, a gelatin, a soft gelatin balm. And I rub that, and within two minutes, the pain is gone. I was blown away by that. That stuff is magic. I can hear Cal from lavender blossoms going, my stuff is bitter. But I was blown away by the Manuka Gold pain relief. Not a sponsor.

[Adam Curry]

What's in it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, CBD to start with. I don't have. I don't have it here, but it has a whole list of ingredients. You know, it's all natural stuff. Mint and this and that and smells great. And it also doesn't it. It's not like you have honey sticking to you. The skin absorbs it and it's gone, you know, so it's not. Not like it's going to rub off if you lay in bed or something like that. It's good stuff. So there's a tip. So I figured I'd do a little dive in the archives to start us off today because we both have.

[Adam Curry]

And bye. Bye. And by the way, I'm more than prepared with clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

You. Excuse me? I was just trying.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm just saying you made it sound like I couldn't do clips. You know, I have backup people and I want to thank them, but my wife does some stuff for me. I do my own too, by the way, but Steve Jones loaded me up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know he did. I know he did.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, you don't have to say, like, by the way, like, I don't. Like, I think, well, by the way, like, you're an invalid or something.

[Adam Curry]

I just saying that. So I make sure to get my clips in because you've already, like, you know, said that you're gonna cover my clips and I just grouse for the show and I just wanted to back you off on that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I was not intending to override your clips because as you know, I see your clips when they come in and I thought, wow, Steve got a lot of good clips for John. So don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. You can play all your clips. It's fine. Because that's what you said, you little spoiled brat.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I was going to start us off with something to start you into your clips by going back 15, 12, 9, and six years into the no Agenda archive. Because sometimes we've just been right for years. We've talked about these jabronis, the splc, and I think it was inconclusive. The Southern Poverty Law Center.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you really have a. Yeah, I

[John C. Dvorak]

got a real distrust for these guys. What do you know about the Southern Poverty? I mean, what kind of name is that? The Southern. It's a great name actually. I should say, as a new World order speak. Southern Poverty Law center is poverty, like for poor people. Like it serves poor of the South. Let's just review who they are for a moment. The Southern Poverty Law center is a group who, you know, are always referenced not just by media, but also by politicians as tracking the evil that exists in America. Evil? Primarily hate groups. White supremacists, racists. And I've always felt very uneasy about the Southern Poverty Law Center. They are the go to guys.

[Adam Curry]

You know what? I believe it's probably going on here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scammer.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's a word I very rarely use, but I think it's something like, like, like you get with the Rainbow Coalition or that thing Sharpton does, which

[John C. Dvorak]

is we're gonna pester you want to

[Adam Curry]

get off our list. You know, we. What's our donation coming in? You know, you get the Southern Property Law Center.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You want to be a hate group or you want to help us?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, hate, hate or help. Hate or help people.

[Adam Curry]

Because obviously if you give us money, you're not a hate group, we can easily take you off the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is about the Southern Poverty Law center, who tracking for a decade until it became really popular. And we were pretty much one of the few saying, wow, look at these guys. They got four or five hundred million dollars in this huge endowment and they build up hate lists and they just

[Adam Curry]

put in, became a juggernaut for fundraising.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and not only that, but they are at the center, at the center of all these fact check networks. So if you want to know if a statement is true, then you go to the fact. I think it's the national, the international fact check network, which always. All the networks, all the websites, all the news providers all say that they use the splc, the Southern Poverty Law center as one of their guiding beacons of light in who is hateful, who is a racist, who's on the list, who's not on the list. Two weeks ago, employees complaining of toxic workplace. Only old white men running the show. Everything that they accuse others of. The Southern Poverty Law center, they have been guilty of themselves apparently for a long Time. Well, there it is. As we.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we never like these guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it was so obvious to us that this is bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

I have four clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

First I got just a simple clip which is the SPLC fraud charges because they've been charged with this. I'm going to tell you these clips are about. They've been charged with fraud because they're sponsoring these hate groups. And then, then, then in fact let me not only tell you what that what this is about, let me tell you my thoughts on it. They not only they go after these hate groups but they to make it so they can, they can fundraise against the hate groups. It turns out as these clips will provide they have been financing the hate groups and in fact that hate group situation that, that whatever the meet, that great meetup, the, the they're very good people on both sides hoax Charlotte that got Biden to run for office was financed by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They gave them the money to do that protest. And while everybody's up in arms about this and I think it is disgusting, I have to say the following. I think this is marketing genius.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, while I was looking for those clips, in fact I probably have it still in the raw. You said I've been thinking about this for a long time. We should get in on this game is what you literally said. This is a great gambit. These guys know what they're doing.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a marketing taken to the max. Although the way they did it, I guess because they did it over, you know, there was some state, there was some fraudulent stuff going over state lines. There was money laundering. They, they over. They overcompensated and got themselves in a pickle. And I'm glad they did. I don't like these guys. They're phonies obviously phonies by what happened this play. SPLC fraud charges the Justice Department announced

[Unidentified Female]

fraud charges against the Southern Poverty Law center over its non profit investigations into extremist groups. CBS News justice reporter Jake Rosen has the details.

[Unidentified Male]

A federal grand jury in Alabama indicted the Southern Poverty law Center on 11

[John C. Dvorak]

counts of wire and bank fraud related charges. On Tuesday, the Justice Department announced accusing the group of paying members of extremist organizations as part of its efforts to investigate them. Without disclosing the practice to donors or banks. The SPLC has denied the allegations. Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche said at a news conference announcing the charges that the SPLC is a nonprofit entity that purports to fight white supremacy racial hatred by reporting on extremist Groups and conducting research to inform law enforcement groups with the goal of dismantling. But quote, the SPLC was not dismantling these groups. It was instead manufacturing the extremism it purports to oppose by paying sources to stoke racial hatred. You know, I have the indictment in front of me. If I just can go through a few things before we play your next clips. Yeah, this is, I mean it reads better than any report. So they had fictitious entities. These front companies with names like Rare Books, Warehouse Tech Writers Group, Northwest Technologies, Fox Photography and my favorite, the Center Investigative Agency. Yeah, literally CIA.

[Adam Curry]

Cute little nod.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you do. That's what you do. So the, the Nazis. This is the national alliance member. He was on the payroll for 20 years. And where they went wrong with this is one of these guys broke into a violent extremist group's headquarters, stole 25 boxes of documents. And one of the high level SPLC employees coordinated the theft, knew the documents were stolen, went back, returned the originals, got in again, and then published a hate watch article. I mean these people are completely, they had no out of control, no scruples. The imperial wizard of the United States clans of America on their payroll. Let's see. The former chairman of the national alliance was on the payroll. Now what is interesting is that the bank that they use actually caught them in 2020 and they investigated these shell accounts. SPLC President and Board chair wrote a letter admitting that the accounts were open for SPLC operations. Instead of Swatch stopping, they switched and started using ACH payments with like Rare Books 050 and IP Research Con 050. And then they would load the money onto gift cards.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, money laundering.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course, that's money laundering. And I think Besanted is a part of this because he has been doing a lot of looking at the financial networks.

[Adam Curry]

Forensics.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So they were. So what is the, what is the term we're looking for? You know, they didn't care. They were just.

[Adam Curry]

No, they got, they got. This is what happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got sloppy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. When the bank doesn't do anything and nobody seems to cared, especially during the four years of Biden and it just gets, just gets worse and worse. But we spotted it early on. I mean and I think the point you made when you had that early earliest of clips where you say Southern poverty lawsuit, what does it got to do with poverty? It's like they've been going after, they got their reputation by going after one hate group some years back is how they got their start. And, and they made a business out of that. They had nothing to do with Southern Southern poverty. It's like they're not doing anything for the poor.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like Patriot Act. It's the obvious.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. There's nothing patriotic about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, exactly. And I'm so happy that this is happening. This has been 15 years of the show. We've always been grousing about these guys. And I had completely forgotten they are at the center of the fact check list. That's why there's almost no M5M coverage of this. Almost none. Because they were all using splc. Oh, SPLC says, hey, we have a comment from splc. Oh, Southern poverty laws and blah, blah, blah.

[Adam Curry]

They've all been completely seen as a resource rather than a targeted investigation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's like an authoritative resource. If they say there was Nazis in Charlottesville, then there was Nazis in Charlottesville. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Unbelievable. So this, I got three npr. This is one series of clips from npr. This is the doj. This is some with some analysis. That's pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

For decades, the Southern Poverty Law center has been known for tracking hate groups. On Tuesday, the Justice Department announced federal criminal charges against the nonprofit in connection with its use of paid informants to infiltrate extremist groups. NPR justice correspondent Ryan Lucas is covering this and he's with us now in our studios. Good morning. Good morning. Before we get to the charges, would you just quickly remind us of what the Southern Poverty Law center does?

[NPR Correspondent Ryan Lucas]

So the Southern Poverty Law center is also known as the SPLC. It's a 55 year old civil rights organization. It has a storied history. It's based in Montgomery, Alabama. It started out as a law center doing a lot of civil rights work, trying to help end the vestiges of the Jim Crow era in the South. And his work later expanded to monitoring white supremacist groups, hate groups including the kkk, and extremist groups more broadly.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the administration saying they did that they say is illegal?

[NPR Correspondent Ryan Lucas]

Well, look, there are 11 counts in this indictment against the SPLC, including wire fraud, false statements to a bank and conspiracy to commit money laundering. And what the indictment alleges is that the SPLC defrauded its donors by telling them that the group was working to dismantle extremist group groups, but was in fact using donated money, the DOJ says, to fund extremist groups. Court papers say that between 2014 and 2023, the SPLC paid around $3 million in total to informants affiliated with several hate groups. That includes the kkk. It Says the SPLC set up bank accounts in the names of fictitious entities to pay these informants. The idea being to hide that the money was coming from the Southern Poverty Law Center. But the indictment says that in setting up these accounts the SPLC was making false statements to the bank.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I just play one of their donation ads from the SPLC? This is from 11 years ago. I'm Steve Centuria and I have been

[Adam Curry]

a supporter of the Southern Poverty Law

[John C. Dvorak]

center for at least 20 years. It's a fantastic organization that these are all mixed couples. Black woman, white men. I think that anyone and everyone that is concerned with justice in this country should do what they can to support. It's so amazing to be able to

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

use law to actually achieve justice for people.

[Adam Curry]

I've often said that Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law center stand between civilization and barbarism.

[Unidentified Male]

And I think it's the most unique organization in America.

[John C. Dvorak]

I talked to my friends who are

[Unidentified Female]

still teachers about what they can do

[Adam Curry]

in their classroom classrooms.

[Unidentified Female]

Some of them do know about teaching tolerance, others don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I intend to spread the word even more.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

As far as I'm concerned, this is

[Unidentified Female]

the premier organization to deal with the rights of people who need help and

[John C. Dvorak]

need someone to go to bat for

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

them in the legal system.

[Adam Curry]

This is the outfit that sued the

[John C. Dvorak]

Klan and put them out of business.

[Adam Curry]

I just couldn't imagine what these guys do on a day to day basis.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's quite touching.

[Unidentified Female]

My philosophy, philosophy is if you don't

[Adam Curry]

want to be in the trenches, find the best person you can who is and support them.

[John C. Dvorak]

If it takes 10 years and all kinds of talent to prosecute someone, your group's willing to do it. Fight hate, teach intolerance, make sure we seek justice.

[Adam Curry]

I want to stand with Morris D.

[John C. Dvorak]

S in the Southern Poverty Law Center. When I heard about the Southern Poverty

[Adam Curry]

Law Center I said oh my, that's

[John C. Dvorak]

another organization that I must stand support. I said this is a good place for me to continue to give what little I have and to spread the word as long as I live. Yes, and I would like to remind everybody the no Agenda show is a value for value podcast. No tricks, no gimmicks, no ads, no levels, no subscriptions. You can support us atnoagenAdonations.com.

[Adam Curry]

yeah. Yeah. So back to the NPR now. NPR, if you haven't noticed on the first part of it, they are are doing the reporting from the perspective of a skeptic. They think it's the administration. This could be alleged. Alleged. Alleged.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And this Is, you know, they make it sound like maybe this, they can't quite get over the top with it. I mean, I think they'd like to, but they, they're still supporting the Southern Poverty Law center at npr. It's pretty obvious that they're disappointed that this came to light.

[John C. Dvorak]

So how has the SPLC responded to this?

[NPR Correspondent Ryan Lucas]

Well, the group put out a video statement before the charges were announced saying that the SPLC was under federal investigation. And in that video, the nonprofit CEO Brian Fair defended the payments made to informants. He says these people risked their lives infiltrate extremist groups and provide information on their activities. It was done to protect SPLC staff, to gather intelligence on violent threats. He said that information was shared with local and federal law enforcement, including the FBI. And he said that information no doubt saved lives. He also said the SPLC will defend its work.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will not be intimidated into silence or contrition, and we will not abandon our mission or the communities we serve.

[NPR Correspondent Ryan Lucas]

Now, Fair also argued in that video that the SPLC is being targeted for political reasons.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, no, of course, of course. The mainstream, they have to defend them because all of their, because they got suckered. Well, all of their allegations have always been. It's almost like. Well, it was in the New York Times. Well, the Southern Public Law center said it, so it's gotta be right. That's what it is. So, yeah, and I don't think they're embarrassed about anything. They're bummed. Oh, man. Gotta find a new guy to do this for us.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's probably pretty, pretty accurate. Yeah. Hear the rest of this apologia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and we have seen the Justice Department under this administration go after President Trump's critics, often at his explicit direction. So what about Fair's argument that this indictment is political?

[NPR Correspondent Ryan Lucas]

Well, look, acting Attorney General Todd Blanche delivered this news at a press conference yesterday. He was asked about concerns about politics in this investigation. Here's what he said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, look, it's free from political. There is nothing political about this indictment or this investigation.

[NPR Correspondent Ryan Lucas]

Now, it is no secret though that conservatives have been highly critical of the Southern Poverty Law center for years. They say it unfairly labels conservative organizations. One example they point to is an SPLC report in 2024 that described Turning Point USA. That's the group, of course, that was started by the right wing activist Charlie Kirk. Described it as a case study of the hard right. And then after Kirk was assassinated last year, the FBI ended long running relationship that it had with the Southern Poverty Law Center. And at the time FBI Director Cash Patel said that the civil rights group had turned into what he called a partisan smear machine. Now, this prosecution, this case, of course, is just getting underway, so we will see how this all plays out in court.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love the music there. Please feel so good.

[Adam Curry]

Patel calls it a smear machine. And so what happens to him over the last few days?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, before you go there, because that is absolutely connected. First we have to notice that this is now happening now that Pam Bondi is gone and Blanche is the Attorney general. Can you imagine how this would have played out if Bondi had announced this?

[Adam Curry]

It would have been pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly like. No, you had to go. It was perfect timing. I just want to play a little bit of Blanche, of what he said in this indictment video.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, take it. Yeah. Then we'll switch over to the smear machine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we'll get to the smear machine. Good afternoon. Today, a few minutes ago in the middle District of Alabama, a grand jury returned an 11 count indictment charging the Southern Poverty Law center with six counts of wire fraud, four counts of bank fraud fraud, and one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering. According to the charges in the indictment, the SPLC is a non profit entity that purports to fight white supremacy and racial hatred by reporting on extremist groups and conducting research to inform law enforcement groups with the goal of dismantling these groups, as the indictment describes. The SPLC was not dismantling these groups. It was instead manufacturing the extremism it purports to oppose by paying sources to stoke racial hatred. The indictment describes this conduct in detail, but one troubling example is that the SPLC was paying a member of the leadership group that planned the Unite the Right protest in Charlottesville, Virginia in 20002017 that resulted in the death of one person and injured dozens more. Okay. As you said at the top of the show, top of the hour, it would. I believe this goes much deeper than. Than people may see at face value. What the SPLC paid that guy to do and probably more People at Charlottesville was a deliberate attempt to undermine and get rid of Trump. Because as you already said, it was the complete precursor to this super clip.

[Unidentified Male]

I ran for president in 2020 because of what I saw in Charlottesville in August of 2017. Extremists coming out of the woods carrying torches, their veins bulging from their necks,

[John C. Dvorak]

carrying Nazi sweet swastikas and chanting the same exact anti Semitic bile that was

[Unidentified Male]

heard in Germany in the early 30s. I made the decision to run for president after Charlottesville. Close your eyes and remember what you saw.

[John C. Dvorak]

Close your eyes.

[Unidentified Male]

Neo Nazis, Neo Nazis, White supremacists, white supremacists and the KKK coming out of the fields with torches lighted, Trump veins bulging, chanting the same anti Semitic bile heard across Europe in the 30s. I spoke to the mom who lost her daughter as a consequence of those Neo Nazis and race. White supremacists come out of fields in America with torches carrying Nazi banners.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's badass.

[Unidentified Male]

Singing the same sick anti Semitic bile song in Germany in the 30s, 30s. And when her daughter was killed, they pressed one to the then President Trump. I said, what do you think? He said, they're very fine people on both sides.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very fine people.

[Unidentified Male]

I knew then Nazi. I knew I'd do something. That's how I decided to run, because democracy was literally at stake. At stake, you know, and then he made.

He.

He evidenced everything that we taught. Every other time the Ku Klux Klan's been involved, they were. They wore hoods, so they're not identified. Trump under his presidency. They came out of those woods with no hood presidency. Charlottesville is also home to a defining moment for this nation in the last few years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember this one?

[Unidentified Male]

It was there on August of 2017. We saw clan and white supremacists and neo Nazis come out in the open. And that's when we heard the words of the President of the United States on the world and shocked the conscience of this nation. He said there were, quote, some very fine people on both sides. Very fine people on both sides. We can't forget what happened in Charlottesville. Even more important, we have to remember who we are. This is America now.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it's easy to forget because we've been inundated with this messaging for over a decade. But the Trump Nazi, oh, he's got Mein Kampf next to his bed. This was all coordinated from SPLC and whoever else is affiliated with them, which is, oh, I don't know, npr, msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs, NBC. It got so bad that we started making jing. Donald loves Nazis. Donald loves Nazis. CNN say that he's KKK having shouts Sig hail with it.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

So of course, this will not stand. So we have to bring in the smear machine.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. So we have Kash Patel at the center of a lot of this. So we have. All of a sudden he's got to go because he's a drunk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what didn't help is the, the, the team at the Olympics where he's guzzling the beer.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, that's the Whole source of everything. Yes, because they got nothing else. And I have two ways to go. I got one clip of Cash Patel suing or I said I have the origin story, which is the woman who wrote the article in the Atlantic was on a Jen Psaki show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. So the Atlantic article, from what I understand. I think AP retracted a story they had referencing the article. It seems like the Atlantic may have gotten a little bit over their skis on what was written here.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, but they're sticking by it.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so why don't we play.

[Adam Curry]

Let's start with the origin story. This is the Patel origin. This is Sarah Fitzpatrick, the writer of this article. And listen to. I got two. It's only two clips. She's on with Sucky, who's out to get everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, another moment.

[Adam Curry]

She's out to get ratings.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another moment in the Sun.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

Joining me now is the reporter who broke that story, staff writer for the Atlantic, Sarah Fitzpatrick. Let's get into some of the details about this because Patel's excessive drinking seems to be what is alarming a lot of the sources. Sources in here. There are multiple anecdotes that refer to that. That's understandable. They're moving meetings. People couldn't wake him. What more have you heard about the extent of his drinking habits and how it seems to be affecting his ability to serve as FBI director? I think the key point is that this is happening in places in which it is public. There are lots and lots of people around who are seeing it, who are hearing about it, who are learning about it. For example, we have video of Patel chugging a beer to excess on video. We've all seen it. Everybody's seen it.

[Esther Krakow]

Yes.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

And I.

[Adam Curry]

And I think that was in the locker room.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

He was on official travel at that time. There were ongoing threats in the United States at that time. So, you know, it is a very, very clear pattern that has occurred in multiple locations over a long period of time. And it's that pattern which is giving everyone pause. These are not one off events.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is almost as good as saying someone's mentally unstable. You know, it's like, I am going to analyze this GU guy and because of the way he chugged his beer, I only saw him chugging one bottle of beer.

[Adam Curry]

Chug a whole beer. He was in the locker room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Most of it went outside of his mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Of the first time the usa, the coach of the team, of the USA team in the Olympics was his buddy. They're buddies because Patel plays hockey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. He's a hockey Dude.

[Adam Curry]

Now, if you're a drunk, you don't play hockey. But okay, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not very well. You play, but maybe not very well.

[Adam Curry]

And so. So he was invited into the locker room, which was, you know, I would say probably not. Not the. It wasn't a good idea, but okay, did it. So he goes in there and they're all throwing beer and champagne over each other because they won. They beat the Canadians for the first time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like Formula One. Have we ever seen Formula one with the champagne? Anything.

[Adam Curry]

They're. Any basketball championship. Any championship. There's. They're spraying each other like, you know, it's very, kind of oddly sexual. And they're just. They're shaking the bottle in the wrong spot. It's funny. So I found it to be disgusting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But they. But they're dumping. So he. He has a beer and he. He dumps it in his mouth. It's going all over the place. Not chugging a beer in any common way. And that. This is the video. This is the. The key to everything. If he hadn't done this, they couldn't do anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think that Psaki is a shots girl? I think she's one of those that gets sloshed. She looks like a.

[Adam Curry]

She looks like a jello shot girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jello shot girl? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Looks the type. Let's go to part two of this stupid clip.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

The opening anecdote of the story was incredibly striking for a number of reasons. I mean, striking because thought he was locked out of an FBI conviction computer system, he grew incredibly paranoid, thought he was going to be fired. It turned out to be a technical issue. Talk about that level of paranoia, what that tells you why it was important to kind of lead with that anecdote in the story. The anecdote was just incredibly telling for a couple of reasons. One is that it set off such a panic within the FBI and within Washington. It set off a panic in Congress. The White House was fielding calls. I mean, there was a real underground lack of understanding about who was in charge at a given moment, which, as you know, as a former member of government is an incredibly important. Who is in charge at a given moment. But I also think it speaks to character and impulsivity and the ability to, you know, be in a stressful situation and think about what those next steps are. And I think it is also emblematic of other occasions that we have seen that are very public in which information has been shared by the FBI director, which was not yet. That went beyond what the investigation was ready to make public at that time, like what? And that later had to be walked back. And in multiple cases that we have seen all very publicly reported, the fact that this has impacted the investigation, this has impacted their ability to pursue people that were potentially mass shooters or other things of that nature.

[John C. Dvorak]

What, because he's drinking a beer, he can't pursue people who are mass shooters?

[Adam Curry]

Is that his job?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's his job, yes. That's all he does. This is a mistake. Atlantic made a mistake here.

[Adam Curry]

And you know they're going to pay for it if all goes well. Now, two more clips. One of them is, let's see, Patel defends. Definitely I got an ABC clip. And then I have a another one. The Cash Patel sues NBC. Let's play the ABC clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tonight. FBI Director Kash Patel in front of the cameras lashing out at allegations of drinking and concerns about his job performance.

[Unidentified Male]

I've never been intoxicated on the job. And that is why we filed a $250 million defamation lawsuit. And any one of you that wants to participate, bring it on. I'll see you in court.

[John C. Dvorak]

Patel is suing the Atlantic for $250 million, alleging defamation after it published a story claiming members of his security detail had difficulty waking Patel because he was seemingly intoxicated. The article also claimed a request for breaching equipment normally used by SWAT and hostage rescue teams to quickly gain entry into buildings was made because Patel had been unreachable behind locked doors. Acting Attorney General Todd Blanch tonight said he had not read the article, but disputed the reporting. The Atlantic is standing by its story tonight, David, and calling Cash Patel's defamation lawsuit meritless. Isn't this the same playbook they did on Hegseth? He's a drunk.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's drunk. The drunk thing is, which is ironic since Trump is the president.

[John C. Dvorak]

No drinking.

[Adam Curry]

No drinking.

[John C. Dvorak]

No drinking.

[Adam Curry]

So that report seemed like a kind of a cookie cutter. Well, listen to NBC do the same report tonight.

[Unidentified Female]

A battle over reputation and reporting.

[Unidentified Male]

You want to attack my character? Come at me. Bring it on. I'll see you in court.

[Unidentified Female]

Today, FBI Director Kash Patel filed a defamation suit seeking a staggering $250 million against the Atlantic Monthly group after its April 17 story, citing anonymous sources, reported that bouts of excessive drinking and erratic behavior have put his job on the news has not independently verified that reporting. The story claims on multiple occasions the director security detail had difficulty waking Patel and states a request was made late last year for breaching equipment to gain entry. Breaching equipment lawsuit calls that claim pure fantasy and states that Breaching equipment is provided to all FBI protection details. Patel had faced criticism for this moment when he partied with US Men's hockey winning Olympic gold. He responded that he was extremely humble to celebrate with the boys. The director's lawsuit alleges the Atlantic story contains false and obviously fabricated allegations and ignored the FBI's response before it was published. While the Atlantic says we stand by our reporting on Cash Patel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, is it a slander lawsuit? Do we know

[Adam Curry]

Print one? There's, there's two ways of. There's two kinds of defamations. There's one slander and one is libel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right?

[Adam Curry]

One is in print and one is verbal, right? Well, I know it's the one that's in print, yes. And I, I hate to say this, but I do get these mixed up a lot. So I think it's libel if it's in print.

[John C. Dvorak]

You need a lawsuit.

[Adam Curry]

Let's look it up. Look it up. You got the robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hold on a second. What is the question I'm asking here? Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

What's the difference between slander and libel?

[John C. Dvorak]

Book of knowledge. What is the difference between slander and libel? According to the book of knowledge, slander is spoken defamation that damages reputation through false statements, while libel is written or published defamation in permanent form. Thus it has been written. Okay, so, yeah, libel, easy way to remember. Slander is speech.

[Adam Curry]

Ah. S for speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

S for speech. That's good. Book of knowledge comes through. Now, what I see here is it's, this is not just about dismantling the decades old system of the SPLC and the media. And I would just have, I don't even know it's the Democrats. I think it's uniparty. Whoever they need to take down, they'll take down. As Cash Patel shows up. This is my favorite show. I always record Sunday morning, Sunday mornings with the money, honey. Maria Bartiromo, Cash Patel pops up with this little message.

[Unidentified Male]

Look, I've been with the President nearly since day one on this. As I, as I told you earlier, I was the one that led the effort with folks like Trey Gowdy, Johnny Ratcliffe and Devin Nunes to expose the corruption that tried to thwart President Trump's first presidential election run. And we saw the FISA abuses there, and I lived through it. And the media came at me then, too. That just shows you that when you're over the target, you keep pummeling the target because the media is going to try and pummel you. We are not going to take this and have not taken this Laying down. We did already indict former Director Comey, and that's going through the judicial process. But we also, at this FBI, even though we uncovered what we uncovered back in the House intel days, I had to come in here and find rooms that they hid from the world. I had to come in here and find access on our computer systems in restricted and prohibited case files that they purposely put in places for no one to see and find. We have found all this information. We are working with our Department of Justice partners and I am never going to let this go because they not only personally attacked the presidency of the United States and President Trump, but they tried to thwart our elections and rig the entire system. And that is not something that is going to stop. That is not something I'm going to allow on my watch. But you just have to remember they built this disease temple over 20 and 30 years. We've got all the evidence. I can announce on your show that we've got all the information we need. We're working with our prosecutors, the Department of Justice and their Attorney General, Todd Blanche, and we are going to be making arrest and it's coming and I promise you it's coming soon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he say. Did he say Disease Temple or Diseased Temple?

[Adam Curry]

No, I like Disease Temple. It's a show title.

[John C. Dvorak]

With a D or no D?

[Adam Curry]

What do you mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

Disease with a D at the end or. I thought he said disease.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I don't think. I like. I like the. I don't like it with disease, just Disease Temple.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've written it down. Disease Temple. And so, of course, popping up on msnbc, there's our boy, John Brennan. Oh, boy. One question that's off topic and.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

But it has to do with you.

[John C. Dvorak]

James Comey subpoenaed, according to Ms. Now reporting as part of a grand conspiracy. You notice how they have to say Mississippi now? Ms. Now is they have to think about it still. You know, it's like call.

[Adam Curry]

Of course they do.

[John C. Dvorak]

You would. To station call. Letter change. James Comey, it's like, you know, when you remarry, you don't ever want to call your wife by her.

[Adam Curry]

Not a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Never done that one. Subpoenaed.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

According to Ms. Now reporting as part

[John C. Dvorak]

of a grand conspiracy that's being investigated against Donald Trump. There is talk that you might be also involved in this.

[Unidentified Female]

What have you heard?

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you been. What are you learning? What do you make of this? What are you learning?

[John Brennan]

I think being against Jim Comey, because Jim Comey, myself and others, you know, have received subpoenas from the Department of Justice about some grand conspiracy or the work that we did while we were in government and we're going back basically 10 years or so.

[John C. Dvorak]

That sounds so much like we were just following orders while we were in government. Just following orders, sir.

[John Brennan]

Or the work that we did while we were in government and we're going back basically 10 years or so. So then David can speak to the retribution campaign that Donald Trump has been on. And with this retribution effort to try to harass and to try to ruin people professionally, personally, financially and so on.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so it's very, very sad that

[John Brennan]

our government, our Department of Justice, is engaged in these types of activities. But again, I'm going to do what I need to do in order to ensure that I am following the law and continuing to say that I feel as though everything I did while I was director of the CIA was certainly consistent my authorities and lawful and appropriate. I would have been derelict, my colleagues at that time would have been derelict if we didn't expose Russian interference in the 2016 election.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You know, I think this is the time to play the old Brennan, Brennan clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes, it puts him right in

[Adam Curry]

this, this whole Brennan clip. This is, applies to him now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, here it is.

[John Brennan]

People are innocent until alleged to be involved in some type of criminal activity.

[Adam Curry]

That's him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Until they're alleged to be in some kind of criminal activity. Thank you. Good callback. I forgot about that one. And he's very dismayed now. He's popping up all over the place. Another Ms. Now he's, now he's very demure. He's not happy.

[John Brennan]

It just shows that over the past 10 years there's been, you know, failure after failure to try to identify something that, you know, wrongdoing in this case. But, you know, part of this is to harass, to try to hurt individuals reputationally, professionally, financially.

[John C. Dvorak]

Same words.

[John Brennan]

To keep the story alive as a way to deflect from other issues and challenges that they face. So again, I'm not surprised by this. Just I'm very dismayed and disappointed by it. I'm also very troubled that we have people in government who seem to be so mean spirited that they try to actually to hurt individuals, hurt people, their families and others.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what government does. That's the default.

[Adam Curry]

What about Roger Stone? What's he talking about?

[John Brennan]

You know, and they claim to be part of the Republican Party. This is not the Republican Party that I work with.

[Unidentified Male]

Worked with.

[John Brennan]

You know, they're people of interest, integrity, who never would have thought Department of Justice would have fallen as far as it has. And again, every day when I wake up, you know, there's something new that I just find just being so surreal and separated from the government and the reality that I worked in for 33 plus years.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[John Brennan]

But again, you know, I take every day as it comes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, So I got two more shorties here.

[Adam Curry]

33, the magic number.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know it's in there. So, you know, this is. Trump is only doing this just to distract from his horrible, dumb mistakes.

[John Brennan]

It's clear that there's this toxic mix of traits that Donald Trump has, which is he's a pathological liar, he is incompetent on so many fronts, and he's also deeply corrupt, which I think is now being manifest, manifesting itself in terms of the Gulf War. That's why you have these wholly incoherent, wholly inconsistent, flailing about. Because, first of all, again, there was no real rationale for this war. Secondly, he's trying to figure out what his next move is, and he doesn't understand exactly how he's gonna get himself out of this mess.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he's coming after me because he doesn't know how to get out of this mess. Okay, and now what's he worried about? Brennan.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What's he worried about?

[John C. Dvorak]

If this is all true, Brennan's going to the guillotine. Bring that back. That was good.

[Adam Curry]

We can only hope.

[John C. Dvorak]

One more clip.

[John Brennan]

Donald Trump said something this morning, very telling when they asked him about the Brits and Keir Starmer, Prime Minister Starmer, why he has not joined this effort. Starmer told Trump, I need to speak with my advisor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. He has. Oh, maybe he's talking about the Iran war. Yeah. Starmer has not joined this effort. Okay.

[John Brennan]

Why he has not joined this effort. And Starmer told Trump, I need to speak with my advisors. And Trump said, why do you have to speak with your advisors? It just demonstrates that these are all things that he does on his own, and he's not taking the advice and input of others, even though they all seem to be the sycophants here. But Keir Starmer and others are listening to their intelligence professionals, listening to their military experts, listening to their foreign policy advisors and others to see the right way forward. But Donald Trump acts on his gut, on his feelings, which is not the way to prosecute any war, especially one that is so needless to.

[Adam Curry]

Is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is kind of an unfortunate example that former CIA Director Brennan brings up, because this is exactly the Topic of what is happening in the UK And I finally put together a couple of clips because it's so entertaining. Starmer listening to his advisors. Let's recap, shall we?

[Unidentified Male]

Let's just recap. Peter Mandelson has been on the rack or had been on the rack twice. Twice sacked from the cabinet for the Labor Cabinet, Blair's Cabinet, first time player, second time, I believe Gordon Brown first time for taking a big mortgage loan from mortgage interest free, I do believe from Jeffrey Robertson, the Labour Party's in house multimillionaire. He bought a house in Notting Hill, didn't tell anyone and then had to declare it. He had to be sacked. It was the scandal hilariously called Notting Hill Gate Gate. He then went on to be restored to the cabinet and then had to be fired for trying to get the very rich billionaire Indian Hinduja brothers tycoons there in India, British passports under the counter. He had to be sacked for that. And then we had had, of course, the Epstein affair. So all through that then Starmer admits in the House when asked by Badenock, did you know that, that Peter Mandelson had continued a friendship with the convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein while he was in jail and had stayed at his apartment in Manhattan while he was in jail for child sex offenses. Did you know that, Prime Minister? Yes, I did. So he knew that. He said that in the House of Commons. He knew about this guy's background. But from what we're hearing, he didn't feel it was worth asking the security services whether or not this man had passed the vetting process. That is either a lie or it is the height of incompetence. Unbelievable, believable negligence of duty.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he always checks with his advisors, does he, Brandon?

[Adam Curry]

So this is Esther Cracker Brennan's full of it, huh?

[John C. Dvorak]

What? This is a great story. It just gets so deep and, and it's the connections between what they were clearly this Mandelson, I think it might be in this clip or the next one, they wanted Mandelson close to Trump as soon as possible because they knew that Mandelson, well, they call him the Prince of darkness. And so they wanted their guy close to Trump as the ambassador in the United States to the UK And Esther Krakow, who's an international affairs commentator, has some background on that.

[Esther Krakow]

So today during Prime Minister's question times, Keir Starmer was forced to admit that he actually did know about Peter Mandelson's association with Jeffrey Epstein in a security briefing. So he was asked point blank in the dispatch Box whether he actually knew during the vetting process, which Keir Starmer actually even celebrated Peter Mandelson coming on board before the vetting was complete. So he'd already made his mind up that this man was going to be the U.S. ambassador. And then in sort of an embarrassing U turn, he now had to reveal that he did know, but that Peter Mandelson misled him and his team on the extent of the relationship, which again, again, is quite baffling because this was easily Googleable information. I mean, if a conservative researcher who's about 20 years old can find this on the Internet, then the labor vetting team should have been able to. But it's more about why he even brought him back in the first place. Peter Mandelson had to resign twice in disgrace from government back in 1998 and 2001, one of which was because he basically peddled his influence to get an Indian billionaire a British passport. So this is not someone who had a clean track record to begin with, but it's clear that Labour is so bereft of talent that they had to bring someone whose nickname is, I kid you not, the Prince of Darkness into the labor sort of high office to try and get anything done. Unfortunately, even during Peter Mandelson's brief stint as US ambassador, no one knew his name because basically Nigel Farage was our de facto ambassador and he actually peddled more important influence with the Americans than Peter Mandelson did. But his association with Jeffrey Epstein has proven to be extremely ugly. He called Jeffrey Epstein being released from prison Liberation Day. The email exchanges between the two suggest that Peter Mandelson was happy to use his influence to try and influence bankers. Bonuses during the financial crisis, the sale of a bank and details about a European bailout. Bank bailout. This is at a time where. Where governments were really scrambling to try and reassure people people were losing their jobs left, right and center, their homes. And you had basically what was effectively the Deputy Prime Minister at the time using his influence to get a pedophile financier and his friends whatever scraps they could. So this is what happens when you resurrect the carcasses of a man like Peter Mandelson's political career. And unfortunately, Kiyasama is really going to try harder to this wave, but I don't think he'll be successful.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then finally, this Ollie Robbins character, who was he? Former senior civil servant. He. I think he quit or he was sacked. Not sure. Testifying before the parliamentary committee, which is the nail in the coffin for Starmer, and for what I think was a clear gambit to get close to Trump, maybe use some Epstein SAP, who knows? And I think the President, that's when he said, you know, we should probably release all this Epstein stuff. Let's get it all out there.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

Can I ask you this? So let's move on.

[Ollie Robbins]

I think throughout January, honestly, my office, the Foreign Secretary's office, were under constant pressure. There was an atmosphere of constant chasing. When will this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Daily phone calls.

[Ollie Robbins]

I couldn't say for certain daily, but I mean, certainly very frequent. From private office to private office. Has this been delivered yet? Never any interest, as far as I recall, in weather, but only an interest in when.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you say private office to private

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

office, you're saying private office of number 10.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I am.

[Ollie Robbins]

I'm afraid I walked into a situation in which there was already a very, very expectation, and you will have seen the papers released already under the humble address that coming from number 10, that he needed to be in post and in America as quickly as humanly possible. The very first formal communication of this to my predecessor from number 10 private office, being that they wanted all this done at pace and Mandelson in post before inauguration. So I'm afraid what that translated into for my team in the Foreign Office, and certainly the handover briefing I was getting as I arrived at post was what I felt was a generally dismissive attitude to his vetting clearance. The focus was on getting Mandelson out to Washington quickly. Despite this atmosphere, an atmosphere of pressure, the department completed, developed vetting to the normal high standard. Because the vetting process is not there there to determine fitness for office or reputational risk. It's there to protect national security.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So there you go.

[Adam Curry]

So wait, so your analysis has it that Mandelson was put over here on purpose to do something to Trump?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Because he had all the Trump figured,

[Adam Curry]

added 2 and 2 or his team did, and then they rolled out all the Epstein stuff and got that guy out of here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mandelson was the first one to go, if you recall. Yeah, he was. He was the first one. And I'm sure that they staggered the files that way.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's make sure this gets out first and that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, let's. Let's put this here on page one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's make sure that you can copy paste and the redactions are taken out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's a huge humiliation for the Starmer regime.

[John C. Dvorak]

Starmers on the ropes.

[Adam Curry]

They should be. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, we still have to try something here at home. We already had the New York Times article with, you know, the Situation Room. Sources say Bibi Netanyahu sit at the head of the table. He was, he had the button there. He was pushing everything.

[Adam Curry]

Bibi was running the meeting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump, Trump was serving him drinks and Bibi was doing all this. And now we have a new one. This is one of those former CIA analysts, one of my favorites. You know, like they always show up on Sean Ryan. Larry. John, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Larry Johnson. Okay, let's stop here so we can preface this. Larry Johnson is some sort, still working for somebody. Larry Johnson is the worst of the worst. Yes, he's the worst of the worst. Everything is an anti Trump. It's a bizarre, you know, the walls are closing in. He's still back on that theme from like 2017. The walls are closing in type of guy. He is full of it. Larry Johnson is the absolute worst.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is part of the 25th Amendment ploy, I'm quite convinced. And then there was a report out that they had an emergency meeting Saturday night and apparently, well, one report coming out of that meeting at the White House is that Trump wanted to use the nuclear, so called use the nuclear codes. And General Dan Kaine stood up and said no, he invoked his privilege as the head of the military, so to speak. It was apparently quite a blow. There are pictures of Cain coming out of that meeting with his head down to the ground. You know this, there's some very, very bizarre things going on. Yeah, I'm pretty sure in every movie I've seen. And we could check with the Book of Knowledge when the president says it's time for the nuke codes. The generals don't get to overrule that.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, they don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they're desperate here.

[Adam Curry]

So this is a bullcrap story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you think.

[Adam Curry]

Which is what you expect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And these guys are really hard up for, for. I don't understand why they can't focus better.

[John C. Dvorak]

I, Well, I, you know, the system is being.

[Adam Curry]

This is scatter gun.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there it is. Blunderbuss. Is that a term? Blunderbuss?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Blunderbuss is a type of weapon with a big.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, with nails. You put nails in it. Don't you put nails in blunderbuss? Yeah. All right. I got some other stuff, but I'm open to your suggestions.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we do. I got these two clips from the Kevin, Kevin Warsh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, I watched confirmation here.

[Adam Curry]

This is kind of an aside and then we can talk about. I got a number of ways to go after that, but let's get this out of the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. The president's choice to lead the Federal Reserve says he would like the agency to do a little less. Kevin Warsh testified before a Senate committee Tuesday. He said the Fed could do a better job of curbing inflation and unemployment if it was more narrowly focused. One big question is, who decides what the Fed does? Warsh was nominated by a president who wants greater control over an independent agency. Agency.

[Scott Horsley]

Npr. Scott Horsley remains independent and joins us now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Agency. Agency says who?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What kind of agency are we talking about? It's not a government agency.

[John C. Dvorak]

Federal Reserve is not a government agency. Scott, good morning.

[Scott Horsley]

Good morning.

[John Brennan]

Good morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was the hearing like?

[Scott Horsley]

It was quite polarized. Committee Republicans mostly backed the nominee. Democrats were uniformly opposed. One question that came up again and again was whether Warsh would take marching orders from the president who's been demanding lower interest rates. Here's GOP Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you going to be the President's human sock puppet, Senator?

[Unidentified Male]

Absolutely not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you going to be anybody's human sock puppet?

[Unidentified Male]

No, I'm honored the president nominated for the position, and I'll be an independent actor if confirmed as chairman of the Federal Reserve.

[Scott Horsley]

Moore says it's not unusual that Trump wants lower interest rates. He says most presidents do. And Moore says just because Trump is more outspoken than most other presidents, that's not. Not a threat to the Fed's independence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. What. What outfit is reporting this?

[Adam Curry]

The npr.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so they forgot to give you the bit before that, that senators,

[Adam Curry]

which you have, luckily.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, I do. Here is Pocahontas.

[Unidentified Female]

I try to end the independence of the Fed because Trump's economic failures are causing him political problems, and he wants the Fed to use monetary policies to artificially juice the economy in the short term. And this is his last chance to do that before the November elections. Having a sock puppet in charge of the Fed would also give the President access to the Fed's powerful authorities to enrich himself, his family, and his Wall street buddies. It could mean granted getting special accounts to his family's crypto company or bailouts to his friends on Wall street if they get into trouble. In other words, a Fed under Donald Trump's control creates more opportunities for Trump's corruption.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's interesting they didn't put that bit in. She was the impetus for the question.

[Adam Curry]

It might be in one of the other clips. But, yeah, she's the one who brought up sock puppets. And, and they also, they also didn't play It.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. They didn't play. In fact, hold on. It's short, but this is the full Kennedy quote, which was better? If I was working at npr, I would have chosen. Okay, I would have chosen this one. Professor.

[Adam Curry]

Editing is no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Professor. What's the sock puppet?

[Unidentified Male]

I heard the reference from Senator Warren.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Male]

What is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it?

[Unidentified Male]

I'm not sure. I know. I think it's when you stick your hand in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Kind of like this.

[Unidentified Male]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's a human sock puppet? In a human sock puppet, somebody will do what somebody else tells them to do.

[Unidentified Male]

I think that's what the Senator was trying to suggest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you going to be the President's human sock puppet? So what he does, you know, he shows his hand up the. The puppet's butt. You know, that's the clothes. Clip NPR Weak. It's weak.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, yeah, it is weak. I'm surprised it did war. Well, let's play clip two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although we should mention Trump did more than speak. He's done a lot of things to try to get more control over the Fed. So are Democrats persuaded that this nominee would be independent?

[Scott Horsley]

Well, that was exactly the point that Massachusetts Democrat Elizabeth Warren made. She says Trump hasn't just expressed an opinion, he's gone to great lengths to bend the central bank to his will.

[Unidentified Female]

The President has repeatedly and illegally attempted to take over the Fed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Illegally.

[Unidentified Female]

Bogus attacks on Governor Lisa Cook and Chair Powell were designed to threaten all the members of the Fed.

[Scott Horsley]

Now, so far, those efforts by the President have been blocked in the courts, but Trump's pressure campaign has raised alarms. The Fed is supposed to be insulated from that kind of pressure so that it can do what's best in the long run for the economy, not just what's good until the next election.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aside from his independence, this is a chance to find out what it is that Warsh would want to do with this agency. How, if at all, does he want to change it?

[Scott Horsley]

Yeah, he thinks there is room for lower interest rates, but also a lower profile for the Fed. He suggests that policyholders at the central bank might hold fewer news conferences and give fewer, fewer speeches. And he wants to improve the data that they use to measure things like inflation. And he wants the Fed to scale back its investment in government debt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, I hope there's more in this third clip because I watched a different hearing than NPR did.

[Adam Curry]

I guess it's the same hearing. It's just NPR has their perspective. By the way, I should mention that having less press conferences would be a good thing. The problem they have now is that when the. Any. When the chairman goes and does his press conference, the stock market is all paying attention for code words, and then it makes. It makes the market unstable less.

[John C. Dvorak]

Press conferences would dramatically lower Andrew Horowitz's blood pressure.

[Adam Curry]

It would for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's always like, and the market has this price in. Or we're expecting this and nothing will happen. And they think it's happen to going to say this. And what does this phrase mean exactly? Yeah, no, I'm down with that.

[Adam Curry]

All right, play this last clip, then you can follow up with the real clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is Warsh saying about his own personal investments?

[Scott Horsley]

Not a whole lot. He is worth more than $100 million, and that doesn't count his wife, who's heir to the Estee Lauder fortune. But Warsh's financial disclosure form is pretty opaque about how and where that money's invested. Senator Warren grilled Warsh about whether he has financial ties to the Trump family or to China or even to Jeffrey Epstein.

[Unidentified Male]

Senator, I have agreed tirelessly with the ethics officials at the Office of Government.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, and you have not come to

[Unidentified Male]

an ethics agreement with them and have agreed, Senator, to sell all of my financial assets.

[Scott Horsley]

Wersch ducked that question with a promise to sell those undisclosed assets before he

[John C. Dvorak]

starts work at the Fed House soon. Would he start work?

[Scott Horsley]

Well, possibly as early as next month. But there's a big hurdle to clear. First, Republican Thom Tillis insists he will not allow a vote on this nomination until the Justice Department drops that investigation of the Federal Reserve, which critics, including Tillis, say is just another way for the administration to put pressure on the Fed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, boy. Okay. Well, Elizabeth Warren got her ISOs. That's what it's all about in these hearings.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there were two questions which I thought were reasonable. Let me see this first one. Let me see. I don't know who was asking this. The question is about policy.

[Unidentified Male]

Prices went up to the tune of 25 to 35% for virtually all deciles of the American people. That's an indication that the Fed missed its mark. And we are still dealing with the legacy of the policy errors in 2021 and 2022. Once you let inflation take hold in the economy, it's more expensive and harder to bring it down. And so the fatal policy error going back 4 or 5 years is still a legacy that we're dealing with. We need, in my judgment, fundamental policy reforms to fix it. And while it's true that inflation is less problematic, meaning the Rate of change in prices is less severe than it was some years ago. Hardworking Americans are no doubt feeling it. I think that means a regime change in the conduct of policy. I think that means a different new inflation framework.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's your headline. Regime change. Yes, regime change. That would be a very good idea. And what exactly is inflation? Finally, someone who just says what it is. Does federal government spending have anything to do with inflation? Mr. Warsh?

[Unidentified Male]

Senator, as we talked about in your office, my view of inflation is a bit different from some. I don't think inflation comes about when the economy grows too much or hardworking Americans get increased in their wages. I think inflation comes about when the government prints too much much, by which I mean the central bank. And broadly speaking, the government spends too much.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so we're spending too much money. And now we've been cleaning up their mess ever since. Yes, yes, that would be correct.

[Adam Curry]

Miller Friedman had that. I wish I had. I think there is a clip in there. Milton Friedman had a little inflation clip about during, I guess it was during the Civil War. There's somebody, one state or somebody just printing, printing, printing money. They had endless inflation and once they stopped printing money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, guess what?

[Adam Curry]

It stopped. Inflation stopped dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amazing how that works. Last clip.

[Unidentified Male]

Reason why I prefer monetary policy to use interest rates as the dominant force is interest rates affect a far broader cross section of the economy. Interest rates get in the cracks. If we were to cut rates, then broader number of people will benefit from it versus quantitative easing, which tends to move through financial assets. First half of our fellow Americans don't own any financial assets, so they're wondering what's in it for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, lower interest rates. Exactly. I'm all for that. Lower mortgage, lower car payments. It's a good idea. They're gonna fight him. I guess. Elizabeth Warren, she represents the entire banking industry. She's no good. So the gay general Patton was also testifying. Did you get any of that?

[Adam Curry]

No, I got none of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. So Scott Besant, he's a funny guy, but he is in the fight with Operation Economic Fury.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And no one likes what Besant is doing. He's helping Putin.

[Unidentified Male]

We're about seven weeks into the war with Iran and I wondered, Mr. Secretary, given that your department enforces sanctions, if you have a sense just how much Iran has gained through sanctions relief since the war began, I'll tell you, estimates are $14 billion. Now, President Trump's described the Obama Iran deal as a disaster and a scandal because of the money Iran got, which was about 1.7 billion. I don't know how you that was in cash billion. But you don't have to read the Art of War to know that helping your adversaries gain money while you're at war is a terrible idea. And it's shocking to me that the countries currently profiting from the release of sanctions are our enemies. No country has profited more from this one war than Russia. Oil and gas prices are up nearly 50% since February. And it'd be bad enough if Russia were just profiting from higher global oil prices, but your Treasury Department lifted sanctions on Russian oil, giving them an extra 150 million a day in revenue. And those funds are going not just to kill Ukrainians, but Russia is using its profits to support Iran with drones and intelligence to kill our troops.

[Adam Curry]

What do you mean? Well, wait, when are Russians giving them drones? This is the king of the drone makers is Iran. They're the drone, you know, gurus. Well and they're the ones who supplied Russia with their drones. And so now Russia's giving. Well, they just send the ones they sent back.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the distinguished gentleman from Delaware, Senator Chris Coons Democrat thinks he can fight gay General Patton who does not come with a bazooka, he comes with his calculator.

[Unidentified Male]

Agree that Iran has received received significant additional revenue from their sales of oil because of sanctions.

I couldn't disagree more.

Okay. Do you disagree that Russia has received significant additional revenue from the sanctions relief?

I couldn't disagree more.

Okay. Why did you relieve the sanctions against Russian and Iranian oil?

Think of it this way, sir. There's the Strait of Hormuz, familiar with it. There is oil to the the left

[Ollie Robbins]

and to the right there is to

[Unidentified Male]

the right that treasury was able to the just as you are concerned about gasoline prices for the American consumer and for our Asian allies, as are we we treasury was able to create the more than 250 million barrels on the water. And the way to think about this is as they came in today the oil prices are at $100. If we had not done that sanctions really they might have been at 150 because the the world became very well supplied. So the if Russia was getting selling their oil at a 20% discount I can tell you that 100% of 100 is less than 80% of 150. And the American consumer has been better off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take that Senator. You can't do math.

[Unidentified Male]

Well, we also the folks in Delaware are buying $4 a gallon gas today. I don't see that we've seen a significant Reduction in the price of the pump or the price on the world markets. But I have two more questions I want to get to and I look forward to disputing with you the details. I believe that Russia and Iran have benefited from the release of sanctions. And when you said we're not going to extend sanctions relief and then we're reversed, I was deeply disheartened because we shouldn't be funding Putin's war machine.

I would like to take that was as a result, last week was Bank Week, World bank and imf.

[John C. Dvorak]

John, we missed Bank Week.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we missed Bank Week, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Bank Week.

[Unidentified Male]

And on Wednesday it was my belief we would not do it. I was approached by more than 10 of the most vulnerable and poorest countries in terms of energy and they ask us to extend that sanction. And it's only for 30 days.

30 days. 4.5 billion to Putin's war machine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you're a Putin lover. You're all in with Putin. This last clip was I think to me the most interesting because this is where the US dollar comes into play as it diminishes constantly as the reserve asset currency, reserve currency of the globe. But gay General Patton has been requested thing to do things and he is doing them and it will save our bacon.

[Unidentified Male]

Government of the uae as I'm sure you probably know, President Trump and his family have done a very brisk business with the UAE over the last few years. There was the 500.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this the right one?

[Unidentified Male]

We understand that the UAE billion dollars that Sheikh Tahnoon, the UAE's National Security Advisor and brother, the President invested in World Liberty Financial which is the Trump family crypto venture. Right before the President's inauguration there was the $2 billion in world liberty Stablecoin used to invest in finance. A deal that effectively handed World Liberty $2 billion in cash. the same time that the United States government relaxed our export controls on high end AI and ships UAE company companies. And now I understand that the UAE is looking for a swap line.

[John C. Dvorak]

Swap line?

[Unidentified Male]

The war in Iran has already cost us dearly in my view. It's been a huge mistake, made us less safe and a lot worse off. In addition to last lives lost, we're talking about over a billion dollars a day in taxpayer money. We're talking about higher gas prices.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unidentified Male]

Higher prices overall. And now we understand that the UAE is asking you to provide them a swap line.

[John C. Dvorak]

So just so people understand this is not like money, we're going to give them a swap line as we get Their reals, which are pegged to the dollar. So it's exactly the same thing. It's just giving them US Dollars to.

[Unidentified Male]

Well, Scott Bessant will explain through the exchange stabilization fund. Mr. Secretary, can you talk about this request and whether or not you expect to support it?

Senator, I would dispute much of what you early said and any linkages to this swap line. Many of our Gulf allies have requested swap lines. You would have just read about the uae. And swap lines, whether it's from the Federal Reserve or the treasury, are to maintain order in the dollar funding markets and to prevent the sale of the US Assets. Assets in a disorderly way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way.

[Unidentified Male]

So the swap line would both benefit the UAE and the US and as I said, numerous other countries, including some of our Asian allies, have also requested them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, all oil in US Dollars. Exactly. That's exactly the right thing to do. These senators, they do not know anything.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, they don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

They really don't. Well, what are you doing? That's for this Trump. It's making Trump. Okay,

[Adam Curry]

all right. We can talk about Iran or. I got these vax clips I wanted to get out of the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vax clips. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

What are you talking about? The vax For a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

We haven't. What you got in Vaxland?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I got the. I actually have one I want to play from the last show. I didn't move it over. But let's start with this. This is the. This is the. Let's start with the. Ron Johnson going after the vaxxers.

[Ron Johnson]

Finally, let's just put up this graph. Because of your radical transparency, I've got close to 11 million pages. You know, we uncovered they hid the signal on myocarditis. We also just recently uncovered that they also hit a signal on ischemic stroke for people over 65. But tail in 2022, 2023, they hid both signals. They downplayed them. But what is most alarming, and we will be holding a hearing on this next week. I've got a draft report. They were made aware. Peter Marks was made aware on March 26th of 2021 that the inventors of the algorithm that analyzes the VAERS data was going to mask adverse events. He was told that, that by using a different system, they had uncovered 49 examples of extreme masking. 25 significant adverse events, including cardiac, sudden cardiac death, Bell's palsy, pulmonary infarction. So this report will be issued in conjunction with that hearing. Again, I didn't need a sophisticated mathematical model to tell me that we had safety signals screaming at us. This chart shows the deaths associated with vaccines all the way going back to 1990 when they started. A couple hundred a year. Anaphylactic shock, that type of thing. 20, 21. Over 20,000 deaths. And for five years, FDA has been saying we don't see a signal. This was a signal screaming at us to this very day. We are covering up. So my. There are a bunch of people involved in this cover up that still continue to work within the hhs, cdc, fda. I want your commitment that those people be made available for interviews. I'll have to subpoena others. I'm gonna dig into this massive government.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have my commitment.

[Unidentified Male]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, nothing will come of it. But. But there it is. Now you have to look this one up. This is called Vax study batches.

[Unidentified Male]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Two shows ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vax study batches. Vax batches maybe. That's odd. John. I don't see it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, spell study with two T's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Vax. Is it Vax with one X. V,

[Adam Curry]

A, X, all caps. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

V, A, X, space. Space. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

ST, T. I don't have it.

[Adam Curry]

S, T, T, U, D, Y. I

[John C. Dvorak]

don't have this clip. I can. You have to. From how long ago is it?

[Adam Curry]

Two shows ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me go look in that bin. Hold on a second.

[Producer or Chorus]

Second.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll take me but a second. So from 1860?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, from 419.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have vax and food.

[Adam Curry]

And vax study batches should be right under it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not in there.

[Adam Curry]

Well, then it got moved up one maybe, but I didn't see it anyplace else. It'd be on the next show then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, hold on. That would be 1861. The last one didn't. I see there we have. Oh, interesting. Yep, I have it. Okay, we got it. We now have peer reviewed published data by Schmeling and colleagues from Denmark. Basically a bombshell study. They found that 4.2% of the batches of the doses that were dosed out of that batch accounted for skyrocketing serious adverse events, hospitalization and death. That was 4.2%, in a sense, really bad batches.

[Adam Curry]

There was about two thirds of batches

[John C. Dvorak]

that were moderate, pretty low risk, moderate. And then, interestingly, a third zero. There was basically. That line didn't come off. They took a shot and nothing happened. Nothing happened. Yeah, well, we had reports.

[Adam Curry]

Which brings me to the point I've been wanting to make.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Which is liability. This brings us back to the good old days with the swine flu vaccine one of these companies released, if you recall, that was just swine flu shot. You get swine flu people. Yeah. Kill people. But there's no. They've got. Why can't they talk about liability more even McCullough who was there, he's the one giving that yak. He. He doesn't mention it. Needs to be mentioned all the time. You can't bring a product out and sell it to the public without liability. You can't be, you know, indemnified by the government for bringing out crap. Okay, I'm done with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, the RFK Junior has promised he's going to take care of all that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he hasn't done anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the only thing he did. Just before you get to your next vax clip, you know, they did sign that executive order about disclosing all of the side effects of. I'll see if I can find it now. In your advertising.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oh. Oh, that'll do it. And by your thing, by the way, by your theory, that would just draw people to the vax. That's your cigarette theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that theory. Yeah, you're right. So. So it's either ban or nothing. You're right. Whenever you say it's gonna kill you, people want it. It's crazy. Yeah, it's like ozempic.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a tough guy. Tough guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ozempic, literally, you don't want to have sex, you get eye cancer, your liver goes to crap, your pancreas fails. Want to look good?

[Adam Curry]

You're looking good.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're looking good.

[Adam Curry]

Now this last one just kind of an aside, but I think it's pretty funny. This is the. This is that. You've seen this character, he's McCullough's right hand man. He's this kind of dull guy who talks with. He's just a dull guy and he's talking about. This is the vax flu shot causes dementia.

[Unidentified Male]

The largest single study ever conducted on vaccines and dementia with over 13 million people in it, found that vaccinated adults who got flu shots, shots and pneumococcal shots, they faced a 50% increased risk of Alzheimer's and a 38% increased risk of dementia. And the risk increased the more doses they got. So they started to get more flu shots that they lined up every year to get it. Unfortunately, they faced the highest risks of neurodegenerative conditions. And the risk persistent, persisted for over 10 years. And so it appears, you know, once you receive so many of these shots, it is inducing Neuroinflammatory injury, dementia, and Alzheimer's in vaccinated adults. So not only now do we know that the flu shot doesn't work. According to Stressa and colleagues out of the Cleveland Clinic, flu shots increase your

[John C. Dvorak]

risk of flu by 27%. So not only do they do that, but now it appears that they increase

[Unidentified Male]

your risk of dementia, which is absolutely terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Holy mackerel.

[Adam Curry]

You didn't hear that one?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have a dementia epidemic in our country. Yeah, Europe. I know lots of people who have parents who have early onset dementia. Wow. You probably have a lot of your friends who have just gone cuckoo. Well, losing their minds.

[Adam Curry]

It's getting there. I mean, it depends on. I don't. I don't know personally that many people that line up for the flu shot every year anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if you have. If you have a precondition of being a Democrat.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, that's for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Make it worse. Wow. Oh, that's. Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

And that's again, liability. Flu shot. Who knows what's in the thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is. And besides the fact that you have a higher chance of getting the flu.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, that's the joke of it. That's almost humorous.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is just so lame. So I. I listened to the new podcast, the Carlson Kids. Have you heard this podcast?

[Adam Curry]

No, I heard about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, everybody, it's time for the Carlson Kids. I had no idea. Tucker's brother's name is Buckley.

[Adam Curry]

How white can you get?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how.

[Adam Curry]

Tucker and Buckley. Here's my sons, Tucker, and here's my other son, Buckley. Let's go have us. Let's go have a spot of something. Something good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know if it's just white or just D.C. you know, it's like if you're in D.C. and their dad was. You know, he ran Spook. Yeah, he's a spooky. Ran the broadcast board of Governors, Voice of America and stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's a good job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was a great job. Job. We'd be very good at it if it still existed. They fired everybody. Shut it down. I guess kind of. Some people had to be unfired. So I don't know. But I think if you're in D.C. and you're probably thinking, oh, I just. William F. Buckley. He is just so awesome. I think I'll. Why don't we. Honey, why don't we name our son Buckley? Maybe we'll get invited to the party. Maybe we'll get invited to the cocktail party. Party. So both conservative, apparently, and These clips are relatively short, but both are just so disappointed. They just feel like they've been betrayed. Betrayed by Trump, where a lot of

[Tucker Carlson]

people who really like Trump are very disappointed in Trump. In fact, more than disappointed, feel betrayed or enraged, feel like suckers, feel like they've been taken for a ride, possibly have supported that, given what it became,

[John C. Dvorak]

taken out back and thumped a couple times.

[Tucker Carlson]

A lot of people seem to feel that way. But do a lot of people seem to feel that way? Do they actually feel that way?

[Adam Curry]

Now, there's a. Wait, you can't put. Put forth a. A thesis that is. That is kind of pot, you know, assertive, and then. Then ask the question, am I right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Am I wrong?

[John C. Dvorak]

You can do that on a podcast. You can do anything you want on a podcast.

[Tucker Carlson]

A lot of people seem to feel that way. But do a lot of people seem to feel that way? Do they actually feel that way? According to polls on CNN, 100% of MAGA voters still support Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

100%.

[Tucker Carlson]

Is that real? Well, it's really hard to know given how fraudulent so much polling is. So we thought we would speak, speak to the one person we know who sincerely supported Trump from the very beginning. Wrote speeches for Trump in 2015, voted for Trump three times. New people within the Trump White House worked with the Trump White House.

[Adam Curry]

Fuentes, except for the writing speeches, is the same as. He voted for Trump three times. Bring on Nick.

[John C. Dvorak]

He already had Nick on. This is a new guests. We've never had this guest on the show that period.

[Tucker Carlson]

Ten years, supported Trump in public, not on television, which is easy, but in his own neighborhood, which was 100% Trump haters. That person is my brother, it turns out. Buckley, Carlson, Uncle Buck, as he's known to us.

[Adam Curry]

Uncle Buck, Buck Tuck.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't have brothers or sisters, but I would never call my brother uncle anything. I don't have a brother. I wouldn't call him Aunt Tiffany, Aunt Willow. No. Anyway.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's Buckley. And you can imagine what the breaking point was. What broke these men.

[Tucker Carlson]

What was the breaking point for you,

[Buckley Carlson]

really? Initially, it was the attack. The attack on Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why is he laughing over that?

[Adam Curry]

He laughs at it. He also has the same intonations that. That Tucker does. His voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's a milieu.

[Buckley Carlson]

It was the. The attack.

[Adam Curry]

And he also stretches words like was.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's an important D.C. thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm never going to get through these. It's 26 seconds.

[Adam Curry]

No, you're not. Not with this guy.

[Buckley Carlson]

It was the. The attack. The attack on Iran initially last year, when I guess we successfully eradicated all of their nuclear capability. You aware? Because it was still. I'd heard that it may still be on there. The White House website, because it was on there even when we engaged in this latest war with Iran. This unnecessary, what will be probably a forever war that has killed Americans and is going to degrade us as a country. Significantly. Already has.

[Adam Curry]

Speculation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Significantly. Already has. No, no, no. It's a betrayal of the promises. That's what it is. Because politicians never betray anybody with their campaign promises. President Trump has come through on a number of them, but this one was the breaking point.

[Tucker Carlson]

And then the war in Iran, which clearly had no plan for. Wasn't enthusiastic about at all. He was fully aware of the risks. He was fully aware that it was a betrayal of his explicit promises for 10 years not to do this. He did it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so he didn't want to do it. No, he said he really didn't want to. He wanted to negotiate, and he gave him two weeks, and then he struck him early. But you're kind of leading towards something, I think, here, Tucker.

[Tucker Carlson]

He did it against his will. That's my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Against his will. Ah, okay.

[Tucker Carlson]

Highly informed read.

[John C. Dvorak]

Highly informed. Reid. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. He did it against his will. This goes back to the New York Times. He was. Bibi Netanyahu controls Donald Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Yeah, there you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what it is.

[Tucker Carlson]

He did it against his will. That's my highly informed read.

[Buckley Carlson]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

I mean, I could be wrong.

[Adam Curry]

He goes, it's my highly informed. Which is like a cheat word. We don't know it's highly informed or not I'm reliable. He says it is. So it must be.

[John C. Dvorak]

You and I are reliably informed, and he is only highly informed. I think our. Reliably trumps his high. Highly.

[Tucker Carlson]

Highly.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna. I'm informed. I am.

[Buckley Carlson]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

I mean, I could be wrong. You know, you don't know what people's motives actually are, but could be wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weasel.

[Tucker Carlson]

From very close vantage, I can say I don't think he was excited about it, but he did it. Clearly. He felt he had no choice, so. And I think that's widely understood.

[Buckley Carlson]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not.

[Buckley Carlson]

But I have no sympathy for him for doing that.

[Unidentified Male]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is all leading to one thing. Israel.

[Buckley Carlson]

It's still reprehensible and it's still big question mark. Why would someone who has obvious and demonstrated allegiance to a foreign power give Donald Trump $250 million while he's running for President. I mean, how is that defensible? It's really not. If Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. How many. How much money did Kamala Harris get in, like, three weeks? $2 billion?

[Adam Curry]

1.5.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Buckley Carlson]

Had given a PAC for Trump. If the mayor of Moscow had somehow assembled an enormous amount of money and put it in a 501C3 for Trump's benefit, would that have been acceptable? Of course it wouldn't have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where were you when it came down to Hunter Biden getting the money from the mayor of Moscow? What kind of analogy is this?

[Buckley Carlson]

So what does someone. It's so basic. Comes back to the money, like, what did they get in return for that amount of investment? And it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the. The accusation here, I think, is because he got $250 million from a Jew, Miriam Adelson.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. That is the reason why he went to war in Iran for 200.

[Adam Curry]

He got more money from Musk for

[John C. Dvorak]

$250 million into a pack.

[Buckley Carlson]

Okay, so what does someone. It's so basic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just make me president, Miriam, and I'll hit Iran for you. I got other things to do, but I'll hit Iran, I promise you.

[Buckley Carlson]

It's back to the money. Like, what did they get in return for that amount of investment? And it's clear.

[Adam Curry]

I get it.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, I mean, of course I agree with every word that you're saying. I just think you should say that, given his.

[John C. Dvorak]

John, could you say that more often to me?

[Adam Curry]

I agree with every word you say.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have to say, of course I agree with every 100%.

[Adam Curry]

Of course I agree with every word you say.

[John C. Dvorak]

100%. I agree with everything you're saying.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not using hundreds of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, come on.

[Buckley Carlson]

For that amount of investment. And it's clear.

[John C. Dvorak]

I get it.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, I mean, of course I agree with every word that you're saying. I just think, given his behavior and his demonstrated disloyalty and viciousness to previous supporters.

[Buckley Carlson]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

Why wouldn't he display the same lack of loyalty to Miriam Adelson?

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Tucker Carlson]

I mean, that's kind of the question. The only people he's been loyal to do are the neocons and his donors. So he's attacked. He attacks Islam. Some of us stand up and say,

[Adam Curry]

probably he didn't attack Islam.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't. I don't know. He said, praise be to Allah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

How's that attacking Islam?

[Tucker Carlson]

No, I mean, what's her name?

[Adam Curry]

The actress said inshallah the other day for the new Devil Wears Prada 2 movie. Anne Hathaway. So is that an attack on Islam?

[John C. Dvorak]

Who knows?

[Tucker Carlson]

The only people he's been loyal to are the neocons and his donors. So he's attacked, you know, so he attacks Islam. Some of us stand up and say, probably shouldn't be attacking a religion. Oh, you're a Muslim. Secret Muslim. You love Muslim.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you are. You do love Muslim. I love lots of Muslims.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, just I like reverence. And I don't think you should attack people on the basis of their religion. Don't attack the religion.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

And all these, like, evangelicals are like, oh, see, you're a Muslim. The next week he attacks Jesus. Okay? Because it's all.

[John C. Dvorak]

He attacks Jesus.

[Adam Curry]

Now you can see why did he attack Jesus?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the. The Messiah meme. He attacked Jesus.

[Adam Curry]

That are the AI art.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he attacked Jesus.

[Tucker Carlson]

And all like, evangelicals are like, oh, see, you're a Muslim. The next week he attacks Jesus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Attacks.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[Tucker Carlson]

Cuz it's all connected, Right?

[Buckley Carlson]

Clearly.

[Tucker Carlson]

Of course.

[Buckley Carlson]

Well be money, obviously.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, right. But the one person he's never going to attack is Rebbe Schneerson.

[John C. Dvorak]

A Jew.

[Buckley Carlson]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Who.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Reb Schson. It's a Jew. He's not.

[Adam Curry]

What about Saul Goldberg? How about.

[John C. Dvorak]

About that? How about Saul Goldstein? Remember him?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was he. What was he. What was his show? Channel J?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, no. Goldstein with the. You're talking about the. The guy who was on Screw Magazine. Goldstein. He was a fact magazine or one of them. He's a magazine. He had a show on. On Public Access New York. Yes. Where he just groused and he just, hey, I'm getting ripped off by. And he'd tell some story about some company that, oh, owes him money.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a great guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he was very funny person.

[Tucker Carlson]

He's never going to attack is Rabbi Schneerson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

And you know, the Chabad leader who's passed, but who I'm not attacking, by the way, but who was regarded as the Messiah by many of his followers. I don't think Trump should attack him, to be clear. But Trump would never attack him. That's the one Messiah he will never attack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Attack.

[Tucker Carlson]

So like, what is that? Am I wrong?

[Buckley Carlson]

No, you're not wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so their whole thing is Israel control.

[Adam Curry]

This is a podcast they put on the air.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two hours of it.

[Adam Curry]

Two hours, these two guys agreeing with each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was pretty boring, but I sat through it. I want to contrast that with a. An interview from Associated Press. And I, I pulled three clips. I'm only Going to play one, and it's enough. And this is Eric Weinstein, also conservative.

[Adam Curry]

I think probably this guy's lost the plot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he said something really interesting in this interview. He's a wild card. You know, there are three people who are doing amazing versions of the drunken boxing game. Kanye, who's probably the first one to really fail. Elon and don't. Donald Trump. And all three of them tried to do something where you couldn't pin them down. You couldn't figure out, like, what they were going to do next. And that's what the order is.

[Adam Curry]

Keep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keeps trying to do. Like, will you commit to this? Will you say this? Will you mouth these words? And none of these people would play the game. So that's what Donald Trump is. He's a guy who's got formulas that confuse people, like Sam Harris. I think that Trump is an incredibly intelligent man and that there's incredible method in his tweets of old. You can just. You could put them into a data set, and you say that there are five or six different types of tweets, and then the left falls for every one of them every time. What if the one figure everyone called unpredictable was actually the most calculated player on the board?

[NPR Correspondent Ryan Lucas]

Eric Weinstein flips the narrative, arguing that Donald Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump wasn't random. He was strategically unreadable. Weinstein compares Trump to a drunken boxing master. Impossible to anticipate, impossible to trap. While critics saw chaos, he sees pattern messaging designed to confuse opponents, disrupt expectations, and force the system into reacting instead of controlling. And I agree with that. That is what I call the Trump algorithm. And I think you agree with it. Mostly, yeah. And he does this over and over again, and that's what the yelling is. And I'm going to bomb civil. Iran will no longer be a civilization. So, you know, so many people got upset. How can you condemn Hillary Clinton for laughing about Gaddafi being killed, but you don't condemn Trump for saying he's going to wipe a whole civilization off the face of the map? I said, well, two reasons. One, he didn't do it, and we knew he wouldn't do it, and we said he wouldn't do it. Two, he didn't laugh. He wasn't laughing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he wasn't laughing about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wasn't laughing about a guy being killed and then a rifle stuck up his butt, which is what they did. They might have fired it, too. So I personally think. And, you know, this is people, oh, he's doing 5d, 7d. Go. And chess. Nah, he's strategic. He has patterns. And I personally believe that this president is getting rid of the they that we always talk about. And the they is not a person. It's not Soros, it's not China. It's an entire system. It's a whole system that's been around for well over a hundred years. And he's breaking things apart systematically. And he does not care what Tucker and Buckley think of him. He's doing it ultimately for my grandchild, the way I see it. And this pattern emerged on CNBC when he was grousing about the Supreme Court overruling of his tariffs. You know, we had a little setback with the Supreme Court. They said, I can charge tariffs, but I have to do it a different way. And because of what they did, we have to pay back 100 billion. All they had to do is add one sentence, just one sentence, and that's, you don't have to pay anything taken in thus far back. But because they didn't add. And by the way, it was a close call, too. There were justices that were powerful that I was right on the tariffs. But because we lost by just two votes, you know, just little vote, two votes, we have to pay back 165 billion they could have with a little one sentence. You don't have to pay back tariffs that have already been received. You start from this point and you do it a different way. So we're doing it a different way. So the grousing is about that he has to pay it back. And all the mainstream was like, oh, get your money back. Gotta pay the money back. Trump's a loser. And what he's not saying in this clip, he's not saying the tariffs are important for our country, for national security. He just offhandedly says, gotta do it a different way. He mentions two. Two Supreme Court justices. The two that he nominated, Gorsuch and Amy Barrett. Amy Coney Barrett. And I think they may have been in on this, because just this week, I got this email from the oil baron, and he says, there's a run on pipe. I'm like, what? What are you talking about, run on pipe, man? Because the tariffs, the 232 tariffs. Had you even heard about this?

[Adam Curry]

No, Tell me.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the 230. So when Trump says, yeah, I gotta do that a different way. Well, boy, did he. And this was by executive order, but it came through a recommendation that has to come from the Commerce Secretary. Oh, isn't that coincidental? That's Ludnick. And the change in 232 tariffs is significant and very significant to the oil baron because it changes is the tariffs on steel products. And before the. So the way it used to be Is you paid 50% on the percentage of steel in a product and now he changed it to 50% on the entire product if it contains steel.

[Adam Curry]

Big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a huge deal. There's also a 50, you know, there's 25% downstream products. So if it's foreign steel, it's auto parts, then it's only 25%, 10% if the metal is melted and poured in the United States. So there's all kinds of different tariffs. 15%, under 15%, there's no tariff, but it puts in place a system that reinvigorates and this is what he promised to do, reinvigorates American steel. There's billions of dollars in steel plants coming online right now. Now they'll be fully operational by 2027, 2028. And yeah, the executive order could be overturned by the next president or you could have a congressional order to vote to overturn that.

[Adam Curry]

Right. But I don't think you could put it in play permanently.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think West Virginia will vote. You know, it's like the steel producing states will never vote for this. And it would be suicide because this will create, create, I believe, hundreds of thousands of jobs. And I have a couple clips here from the steel industry executive. You know, this is a lobbying, you know, it's a, it's an industry group. So take it for what it is. And he kind of explains how fantastic this change is. Now this President Trump has signed an executive order to revamp his tariffs on steel, copper and aluminum. The one White House calls it a move to strengthen economic and national security. Brandon Farris joins me now. He is the Steel Manufacturers association executive vice president. All right, Brandon, great to have you here. What do these developments really mean for manufacturing and affordability? Tell us.

[Unidentified Male]

Ashley, thank you so much for having us. And we are energized. The steel industry is energized. This is one of the most exciting times in recent history to be involved in the American steel industry. President Trump has done more for the 87,000 men and women who make America steel than any president in modern history. And what he did last week, it was a necessary move. It wasn't optional. He moved the full value of the tariffs to the full product product at before it was based on percentage of steel. And we saw bad faith importers underreporting the value and avoiding paying the full tariff. And now they will be paying the full tariff and the 232s are paying off for the American steel industry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, this is a great gambit. Listen, how much has been invested, Brandon, because there were so many critics of the tariff saying it's a tax and the American consumer is going to ultimately pay the price. But how successful do you think the tariffs have been in accomplishing the goal that they set out to do?

[Unidentified Male]

Ashley, what we believe is the President's signature trade achievement is the 232 steel tariffs. And they have been historically successful over the last few years in our industry. They've driven 25 billion in investments and they will put online an additional 4 million tons of steel capacity. And what does that mean? Putting that into perspective, with that additional 4 million tons of steel capacity, you can build a thousand guided missile destroyers for the Navy. That's not just economic might, that is national security, Ashley.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's your big beautiful ships that we're to going, going to build, and we will build them. And you do need steel as national security. And here come the jobs. And what about manufacturing jobs in this country, Brandon? Have we seen a turnaround on that level?

[Unidentified Male]

Absolutely, we have. We've got some very impressive job numbers from March. We're going to continue seeing that as the President's trade policy continues to reshore American manufacturing, the steel industry, those 25 billion in investments, those are going to create tens of thousands of jobs. For every steel job you have, you have six or seven throughout the value chain. And we're going to continue increasing those manufacturing jobs throughout our economy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So for the Carlson kids, I think that this was part of the plan all along. He knew that he would never be able. These tariffs, they're not going to last through another administration. The ones that he had put 10% here, 50% here, 100% there. That was just to get everybody, you know, draw them all in. And then this 232 that was done without any big brouhaha. No one reported on it, but they're permanent for all intents and purposes. And by 2028, when there's, when there's a new president, regardless of who it is, you won't turn that back then.

[Unidentified Male]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Is it going to cost more? I'm sorry, Oil baron. I love him, he's my brother. But, okay, you've had a good ride. You can take a little less profit because of your run on pipe for the next two, three years. And then, you know, it will make no sense to buy inferior steel from South Korea or from China, wherever else you get it from. It'll be American steel. And I think it will reinvigorate our country. And I like it.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds like good catch.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it. I like it a lot. And you know, Trump lover, go suck them off, you pussy. Well, you know, I got a grandkid coming, so I like it. I don't mind, you know, I'll take the pain. I will lay face down in the mud so my grandchildren can walk over my back.

[Adam Curry]

I got one last little thing here to discuss. Yeah, you're gonna make the sacrifice. I like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

John's like, hey, Theodora Bull, get off my back. What are you walking on my back for, kid?

[Adam Curry]

I just want to get this one thing, the cigarette thing out of the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cigarette thing.

[Adam Curry]

What? Yeah, yeah, the. I got one short clip. I think that covers it. Yeah. WBAL TV, Baltimore, UK Ban on smoking for anyone born after 2008.

[Unidentified Female]

Countries like the Maldives and Bhutan have enacted total tobacco bans. But with a population of nearly 70 million people, this ban in the UK could have serious and long term impacts. Under the Tobacco and Vapes bill, the legal age for buying tobacco will increase by one year every year, starting with people born on or after January 1, 2009.

[John C. Dvorak]

This means children in the UK who

[Unidentified Female]

are 17 or younger will never be

[John C. Dvorak]

able to legally buy cigarettes. I've seen this report and people like, oh, can you believe it? They won't let kids smoke. It's about purchasing. They're not going to arrest you if you're smoking on this on the street.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the other thing is this. Mimi dug up an interview with the head of Philip Morris from, I don't know, 10 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And he predicted this because the company. And nobody's covered this at all. And Philip Morris may be behind this, may be an op. They don't want to sell cigarettes and tobacco products. It's always tobacco products and anymore. Because they sell the straight up chemicals and vapes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. They want to sell them and they

[Adam Curry]

sell the little chewy thing you put in your mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Instead of the, the, you know, tobacco chew. There's no tobacco. Because tobacco products are a pain in the ass. They're staying on the shelves. People aren't buying them anyway. They're buying the vapes. And they figure, and the way the CEO told it, there's a clip I could have been sorry to clip. It was, we got China. We earl our tobacco price. Fine. We make tobacco products for China. Those guys love smoking. They love smoking and it's nobody else does you. Everyone else wants to vape or they want to chew on a ball, you know, that kind of thing. So the whole thing's fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chew on a ball.

[Adam Curry]

You know, a thing filled with nicotine salts.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love vaping.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you do. You're a big vapor.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a lot to be said about.

[Adam Curry]

But you used to smoke like. Like a. You were a smoker. I would tell that, tell the story out of class. You know, Adam used to not only smoke, but he was a dilettante about it. And he liked to roll his own.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's because I was rolling weed in it. I wasn't just smoking.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you were rolling weed, but it was always this rigamarole.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You didn't use a little machine and make a cool looking cigarette. You rolled it with hand rolls. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, man, I've been rolling my own since I was 15 years old.

[Adam Curry]

A little roll. He's rolling his own. That looks just like. Like they all do. They look like.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, and I had the long filters, so they look like a joint. And they were a joint. They were spliffs. In fact, that is the. That is the traditional name for what I would smoke. And I enjoyed it very much. And I'm amazed that Tina married me. Despite me being a wake and bake guy. It was amazing.

[Adam Curry]

She.

[John C. Dvorak]

She even decided to wake and bake.

[Adam Curry]

I never heard that 1 O would

[John C. Dvorak]

wake up at 3 in the morning. Since I quit smoking, I sleep like a baby. I sleep all the way through seven and a half hours if I'm really lucky. But six and a half, seven hours. I wake up with my own accord before the alarm. But when I was smoking weed, I would take a 50 milligram gummy, go to bed, and then I'd wake up at three in the morning like I'm awake. I go out on the porch, smoke a whole joint, go back to the bit it was. It was pretty severe. Now that's bad. You would say that I was a lot more fun back in the day, but I don't.

[Adam Curry]

I would.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you would have, but I don't think. I don't think I've changed that much.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think you changed that much either, to be honest about it. You're pretty much. I don't think that the weed thing was. I think it was just habitual. I wasn't really affecting your personality to any extent except, you know, when you first smoke. Sometimes. Sometimes. You know, I remember the time you were here. We go out in front of m. Yeah. Just smoking a joint. And as the employees wandered in, whenever they felt like it. Hey. You'd always greet him, hey, I'm glad you could finally make it to work. They were coming in at 10:30, one after the other.

[John C. Dvorak]

And did that stop pretty quick after I was sitting out there smoking my weed and telling them that I was happy they could finally make. Make it.

[Adam Curry]

No, not really.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it did. It made a difference. It went out of business anyway. Yeah, it wasn't a great, you're ahead

[Adam Curry]

of your time is the reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there's no one's making money on podcast networks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're making money by selling to other dummies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes, there's that, but that's been. That has always been my plight. I'm always 10 years too early. Yeah, look at that guy. He made a billion dollars. How did he do that? That now, we went public in 1996.

[Producer or Chorus]

Woo.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, two years later, people, Mark Cuban made $10 billion on selling a domain name. I was the first one.

[Adam Curry]

Now face it, I think it was 3 billion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, this is my plight. This is what it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Cuban had the domain. Mark Cuban's claim to fame broadcast. He put up the domain name Broadcast.com.

[John C. Dvorak]

pretty much. There was.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think it was Yahoo. That said, well, we'll give you a couple billion for it. Yeah, okay. That was how he made his fortune.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was live streaming.

[Adam Curry]

He's a marketing genius. He's a business genius.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he was live streaming radio stations and selling ads around it. Then he would literally go to the stations and say, I'm becoming a billionaire off of your product. Thanks. And they went, okay, Mark, okay, sounds good. No, maybe I'm not shrewd enough. I'm a. I'm a podcast. Let's face it, that's what I am. I've always been a disc jockey. I started when I was 13. I'm a disc. I was a disc jockey then I was a disc jockey on TV and I'm a disc jockey. Disc jockey now.

[Adam Curry]

It's your calling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Call it what you want.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I call it. I have one oddball clip that nobody's covering. Okay, this one is unreported News unreported reported Zelensky stolen art.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

On March 22, three paintings by French masters Cezanne, Renoir and Matisse worth More than $10 million were stolen from a museum near the Italian city of Parma. The theft has since been investigated by Italy's carabinieri and the Cultural Heritage Protection Unit. Surprisingly, less than a month after the heist, one of the stolen paintings. Paintings A cup and plate of cherries by Paul Cezanne appeared in one of President Zelensky's videos, Presumably recorded on April 16. The video shows Zelensky addressing Ukrainians with a stolen painting appearing on a wall directly behind his back. The video was published on the official website of the president of Ukraine, but has since been removed. This is a rare case of a stolen painting reappearing in public. Chris Marinello, founder of Art Recovery International, says that a very small percentage of stolen art is ever found.

[John C. Dvorak]

5 to 10% of all art that's stolen is ever recovered, which is why we need to start focusing more on prevention.

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

He also confirms that stolen art often ends up in countries where the rule of law is weak.

[John C. Dvorak]

They move them on through Belgium or Eastern Europe, countries where due diligence. Diligence is not often practiced as it is in the West. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Can you believe that he's got this stolen art? This is a corrupt operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it is. You know, there's no focus on him right now. That's the problem.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know. It's been taken away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You know, and. And Trump is only helping Putin kill Ukrainians. So. Yeah. Hey, with that fine little clip that no one's reporting about, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put and the Carlson kid. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. Still Alive, John C. Devor.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in The Morning, you, Mr. Adam Green. Morning. Should see Bo graph the air something water dames and knights out there in

[John C. Dvorak]

the morning to you trolls over there in the troll room. Let me count you for a second. Don't move.

[Scott Horsley]

There we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

1377 in the troll room, listening live. It's no agendastream.com. i've been troubleshooting one of our producers. He's like, I can't hear the stream. I'm getting kicked out. It's that by Dapper. How can I help? I keep getting kicked out by Dapa. Well, are you listening in a podcast app, like a modern podcast@podcast apps.com. are you listening on a strat listen no agenda.com. okay. We don't actually have that domain name. You know, if you have a technical problem, you need to learn to describe a little bit. What's going on? I am the help desk for no Agenda. I'm the first line of defense before I toss it over my shoulder and say void zero. Help. Void zero is just one of the many people who help make this show what it is. I mentioned at the top of the show, if you're listening right now, this is a value for value podcast, and people have been helping us for over 18 years in so many different ways. No one's a listener. Everybody's a producer. Everybody has an obligation. When it comes around to you and we're talking about something that you know, that you're an expert in, you need to email us, which means email me, Adam, @curry.com. because no one can spell Dvorak. And it's not Dvorak.com either. How many times has that happened? Happened? My email's getting bounced from John Dvorak dot com. Yeah. Okay. Is there Dvorak dot com? Do you have that? You should have that.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, I do own it. I believe. It's never used. Some guy bought it for you, gave it to me, and I'm not sure who. I'm not sure where the registration. I'd have to look it up. I went into no use.org for a reason. I'm a dot org, not a comm.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're a.org kind of guy. I checked curry.com today. Doesn't expire until 2030. That's good. I'm good. So at that point, I'm done. I got to end this sometime. How about you? How about you? How about you? We've looked for so many exit strategies. At a certain point, won't we just be old and tired and just went to 2030.

[Adam Curry]

They won't even the whole. This is. Nah, 20. Well, get through the next election.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not doing another presidency. We can't do another other presidency.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's 2028.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I was thinking like 2027 somewhere, you know, before. Before we get to the.

[Adam Curry]

Now you make my wife nervous. Stop it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mimi's got five businesses she's running. She doesn't know. She doesn't need you the talent. John's the talent. We just do everything around him. I love your family. Your family's great. So just like the Dvorak family, everybody here pitches in and does something for the show. And we ask you to support us by returning the value that you receive from the media deconstruction that we do, which I. I would say someone email me and said you're not keeping to your promise.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is our promise, John?

[Adam Curry]

We promise to deliver unbiased news. Deconstruction.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

Two hours and 45 minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. What is the FAQ say?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, what does the FAQ say?

[John C. Dvorak]

It says we do.

[Adam Curry]

I know. I wrote it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. We do media deconstruction.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well somehow that morphed into you do fair and balanced. Media deconstruction said no. That's Fox News stuff, which is a lie.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah. We. Yeah, it doesn't. Fair and balanced.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, fair and balanced is bull crap. We're. I'm very unbalanced, in fact.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are who we are and what we don't do is we don't get captured by the audience like Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson, all these guys.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Started hating Jews for no good reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, we don't care. Remember Ukraine, man, I got flak in Texas for that. Rud Mayor Putin, may he. That's exactly what they said.

[Adam Curry]

So the guy had a hair lip basically, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Pretty much. There were Ukraine flags everywhere. Like, no, this is a scam.

[Adam Curry]

Remember the Ukraine flags in Congress, which I think is illegal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ukraine flags everywhere. The huge Ukraine flags in Dripping Spring. Like, no, this is Ukraine is one big corrupt country. Country always has been. Always has been. And it was us. It was Victoria Nuland, it was Brennan, it was Lindsey Graham. They always want. They, they hate Russia. They want to invade Russia and take Russia's riches. And you still hear coons. Our number one enemy. Russia. No, he's not. He's not. We're going to do lots of business. Here's how that call went. You know about the oil that Scott Besant lifted the sanctions on. Here's how that went. Vlad is Donald, listen, we're going to release the sanctions. Whatever you do, don't give it to the Europeans. Okay, Donald, good idea. This sells to Japan. Everybody got oil from Russia, China, but not the EU and they don't deserve it. It. They're stupid. Cutting off the oil and gas from Russia. How stupid are they? This is a question you need to answer.

[Adam Curry]

They're very stupid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very stupid.

[Adam Curry]

They just have to hard on for Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hard on for Russia and for renewables. Oh yeah, windmills.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Let's shut down the nuclear power plants in Germany. What happens?

[Unidentified Male]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What could possibly go. Go wrong? Fdu. That's right. C Brooklyn. So yes, Time, talent, treasure. As I said, many people put a lot of time and talent into doing things for us and that includes artists. Now. It used to be really hard what the artist did. It's gotten a lot easier. Just prompting some stuff back and forth. I think did. If I remember correctly. Did we choose another Darren oh compilation here? Let me check.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Episode 1861, we titled that the cone of Uncertainty. This got some good traction on the X.com, which is the only social network I ever look at, and pretty much only my inbox or my mentions. And it was indeed Darren o', Neill, but he nailed it. The classic road signs, which were well done in this case. No agenda, according to Varak. And then a digital sign, welcome to Canada. Would you like to die today? And a nice little Canadian maple leaf in the corner. And a lot of Canadians responded saying, unfortunately, this is true. It was like the reality was pressed in front of them. And they went, yeah, yeah, it kind of does suck what we're doing over here. So it worked. It worked. It was well done. Good idea, Darren. We appreciate it. Take a quick [e-mail] to see if there's.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there wasn't really anything else.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what I'm. I'm checking. Let's see.

[Adam Curry]

I like something. And you. Yeah, you mixed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You. It was Constance. Constance Granger. The Straight of Hormoose, which, you know, the. The. It was a. It was a toll booth and there was.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're right. It didn't take much to talk me out of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was.

[Adam Curry]

If it wasn't a moose head.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it was the. It was a. A moose dress.

[Adam Curry]

A pun. But the pun was in the title.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Dressed as a hooker. And if you look at the title, Whore. Moose. As in a moose that is a whore. It's funny, but just the art by itself. No one's going to get this. I mean, it's like one of those riddles. What is it called? There's a particular kind of cartoon. They must have a term for it where it's something you have to think about. We can't have people thinking about our art. We just can't. I will say that. Rocket Boys, no agenda. Floss Free Zone. I think that was used in the newsletter. That was pretty funny.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah, that was good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like that one. Dana Brunetti thought that was one of the funniest things he'd ever heard. What, that I busted you for flossing your teeth on the show?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he said it was. I guess cracked him up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maverick, my periodontist says, what is this? What is this? You're telling people to stop flossing? This is no good. They got so much response.

[Adam Curry]

And floss while you're on the air.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can't do that. It's no good. Noagendaartgenerator.com we encourage everybody to prompt around and do some work. And if you are an actual artist, we appreciate that even more. If you feel like it, we would love to highlight your work as the artwork for the no Agenda show, part of our time talent and treasure initiative for the returning of value to the show, which can also come in treasure by going to noagendadonations.com and we thank everybody $50 and above. And for those who are fortunate enough to be able to give US$200 for an individual show or more, not only will we read your note, guaranteed, we read lots of notes. But guaranteed your note, which is often some kind of plug for a company, which is okay, you get the associate executive producer title, which is good for the rest of your life and is valid anywhere. Hollywood style credits are not just Hollywood style. Hollywood credits are recognized. A real credit. You can even enter it on an account. If you don't have one, you can open open one [e-mail] $300 or more you become an executive producer. You can put it on your curriculum. You can put it on your resume. I wonder, does Linda Lou Patkin advocate for putting your no agenda executive producer credit on your resume that gets results?

[Adam Curry]

I never asked her, but she might put it in the next note. Whether she does or not, I think it's pretty cool on LinkedIn.

[John C. Dvorak]

It looks great on LinkedIn. Absolutely. Absolutely. We also have a special promotion running for the instant Order of the Heart, the Red Heart, which if you don't already have one, you will receive a no agenda.

[Adam Curry]

The Red Knight.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Red Knight. You will receive. What is the exact title? Because I think I'm getting it wrong every time.

[Adam Curry]

Red Knight, Order of the Heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so we have black knights, but now this will be a forever black knight. Red knight status, Order of the Heart, which includes a hansel awesome lapel pin designed by Sir Paul Couture.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Which is coming in May.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coming in May. So it's a. It's a double bonus. And that will be going to Anonymous, who checked in from Salem, Oregon with $1,000. Who wants to be Sir Zed Nononymous, but I should leave. Oh, he said he wanted to be sit Zed Nononymous, but I should leave that for one of the Zeds. No, I think it must have been Sir. Sir Zed. Anonymous. So typo here. If it pleases the committee, may I be Sir Xnonymous. Well, I'm sure that's not a problem. X gen, Sir Xnonymous is approved and you will receive the Red Knight Order of the Heart in just a moment.

[Adam Curry]

Cody Dotson in or Dobson in San Antonio. Just down the road from you, actually. Thousand dollars in the morning. Good sirs, I realize I've been negligent paying the bill for my conspiracy therapist. This donation is a big thank you for all the value you both provide. John, thank God you're still recovering well and in such good spirits. If I can clear out my voice, maybe get well soon. Adam, we need more old rock and roll stories.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, really.

[Adam Curry]

I believe this installment makes me a Red Knight. Please dub me Sweet Dobie, Destroyer of Libraries. I'd like to request hookers and blow at the roundtable. That's always there if the Peerage committee approves. Sincerely, Cody W. Dobson. Not your neighbor in San Antonio. P.S. space is fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're both in need of lozenges today. I just popped one myself. Thank you, Cody Dennis. Catl. I'm gonna say CADL.

[Adam Curry]

I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

No, no, he's back on the air doing it. Talk about his.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I. I think he's. He's taking a pause Again.

[Adam Curry]

Again.

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

I think he got a lot of flack.

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

No, that's celebration.

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

And celebrations in Orlando. Have you ever been there?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

You worth the trip?

[John C. Dvorak]

You?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that where a whole bunch of, like, boomers swap wives?

[Adam Curry]

Maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Film at 11.

[Adam Curry]

It's quite a manicure. Faux little city.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they drive around in golf carts.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's. You wouldn't. You can drive your car through that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Max Martyr in Van Nuys, California, comes up with 330. 333. Hi, Adam. And John. He writes, I'm making this donation of 333.33 for my wife, Annie Martyr, for her birthday, April 26th. She's a wonderful wife and mother to our two kids, and I can't think of anything she would like more than to be an executive producer for your show. She listens to every episode when they become available and even re. Listens to them with me in the car. She adores you guys, especially John. Yeah, please give her an extra special de douching for her birthday. You've been de douched. Happy birthday, Annie. I love you, Max, comma, Annie's husband.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, that's so lovely. D Bard Debard in Fenton, Michigan. Row of ducks. 2, 2, 2, 2. First time, long time. A de douching is an order.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

A thousand apologies for my belated contribution, but I am poor. It took me that. You should talk to the Southern Poverty Law Center. They might be able to help. Took me the better part of eight months. Wow. This is so appreciated. It took me the better part of eight months to save for this donation. And there is more to come. I know I could have done smaller donations, but my reasons are as one. You two really deserve it. And with JCD's recent health scare, I knew I couldn't wait any longer. And I hope you're feeling better, John. He says two. I heard karma really works, and I'm in dire need of all the karma Gitmo Nation can muster. Three, with the very limited wins in my life, I think having the title of associate executive producer will not only cheer me to up, but look good on my resume. Yes, that's. You know, you gotta take that into account. It cheers you up. 4. I could not show my face at the Brighton, Michigan meetup on the 26th as a douchebag. Wow. So when everybody at the Brighton, Michigan meetup on the 26th, make sure you say hi to D D Bard. Thank you both, sincerely, again. I need all the karma and prayers, but for the sake of time, I'll settle for an F35. Karma as my. My jangle love is lit. D Bard, you've got

[Unidentified Female]

karma.

[Adam Curry]

Eli the coffee guy is here in Bensonville, Illinois, 20423. With all that's going on in the world, no agenda is needed more than ever. All of us producers really appreciate the dedication. You won't get a bad ticker. You won't let a bad ticker or a flight across the pond stop the shot. By the way, how's that coming? What, you gonna go?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, I'm going.

[Adam Curry]

You're gonna be able to get back? No, there's a big. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

May 6th. We're going May 6th and we're supposed to return May 13th. The show will continue as regularly scheduled. But if I can't come back, guess what? The show will continue as regularly scheduled.

[Adam Curry]

Keep up the great work. For what happens to the dog?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Jill and Mike the gutter at the ranch. She's fine. She loves the ranch much.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, good. For producers who want great coffee, visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use the code ITM for 20% off your first order. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy. You have the next two?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. It's ITM20 for 20% off your first order.

[Adam Curry]

What did I keep saying?

[John C. Dvorak]

ITM just ITM's ITM20. We don't want people to get bogged out of their discount. So the next two is interesting because Robert Musserd. Musser comes in from Riverside, California with 200 with no note. So he will get a double up. Karma. You've got

[Unidentified Female Reporter]

karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

But then I see Linda Loopatkin. Linda Lou, and it says, see note with her 200 donation. I do not have a note. Do you have a note? I didn't look, but Jay did not send me a note.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I noticed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's see if this is important. This is Linda Lou, man.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know what you're going to do if we don't have. We can't find a note.

[John C. Dvorak]

What will we do?

[Adam Curry]

We'll read her standard. Her standard sales pitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, do you have the standard sales pitch there?

[Adam Curry]

The last note I have from her is from May 16th.

[John C. Dvorak]

From last year? Yeah, from last year. Well. Well, this is A conundrum.

[Adam Curry]

I have a note from the last. The last spreadsheet sheet. I just open that up and it should be good to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have that?

[Adam Curry]

No, I. Yeah, you have it on the download list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good, because I'm on Linux, so.

[Adam Curry]

Oh,

[John C. Dvorak]

if you can grab it from the last show. I feel horrible because Linda Lou, I don't think she's ever said see note never. So there must be.

[Adam Curry]

Here's what she normally says this jobs karma. Your Resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to Image. Linda helps professionals and executives turn their executive nuts experience to a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of Winning Resumes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Well, I feel bad because I like to do. I like to give good service to. To Linda Lou. But whatever it is, we'll make up for it. We guarantee you that. Continuing the rest of our supporters for today, value for value at no agenda donations dot com. There she is. Dame Rita from Sparks, Nevada. 16362. That is 7474 plus 8888. That's the donation amount to keep John 2 ticking and Adam ticks for free. Michael Polling in Hingham, Massachusetts. One hundred and fifty five. DeSoto drone. I think that's a company must be DeSoto drone in South Haven, Mississippi. Did I get it right? Did I get it? 105. 35. I have to stop and think like I'm on MSNBC. D.C. edward Gartland in Mendon, New York. $100. Ian Field. $100. Marius. Oh, Marius. Marius Ovenagle in Norway. 8888. Calling out Halvor sitting in the sauna as a douchebag. Douchebag. Although he kicked me in the mouth about 2.75 years ago. Keep on keeping on. Thank you. Marva. Mad Marius Vnago coming in with the boob donation. $80.08. 8008. Sir Kevin McLaughlin from Concord, North Carolina. He is the archdune of Luke Lover of America and Boobs and as always says God bless America and boobs. Brian Kaufman, Scottsdale, Arizona. No stranger to the donation. 75. 75. Nicholas Leary from Columbus, Ohio. 72. 72. Dame Becky Arlington, Washington 6996. Nice. Palantir Scott Schreiber in Madrid in Spain. Oh, he sent a bitcoin donation for 60.09 Euros. I'm Scott, I'm in Madrid. Thank you. Those cross border payments go very fast with Bitcoin. Sir John in Herbert Springs. Heber. Heber. Oh, Heber. What did I say?

[Buckley Carlson]

Berber.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Heber Springs.

[Adam Curry]

Sexist.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is this? Arkansas or Arizona? What is AR?

[Adam Curry]

Arkansas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I need help.

[Adam Curry]

AZ is Arizona.

[John C. Dvorak]

6988. And he turned 69 today. Show day. 88 cents for John's recovery. Matthew Ellward from Weatherford, Texas. Small boobs. $60.06. 6006. Couple of small boobs. Also one from Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. And Dame Liberty mom from Vista, California. California. Then we have Baron Henry of Outpost west in rancho Palos Verdes, California. 5995. Another palindrome, 5555 from Philip Davis in Jessup, Georgia. My, my. Born in Jessup, Georgia. My daddy had a farm. Last week the citizens of Brantley County, Georgia fought against a proposed data center being brought to their county. This week a fire started. I live a county over and have friends and family in Brantley send prayers. And Silver Iot died. I can help with the prayers. Cameron Linge. Linge, North Branch, Minnesota. Double nickels on the dime. 55 1. Back to work. Back to supporting. Thank you for your courage. Christopher Wechselberger in Leipzig, Germany. Another shameless plug for the Leipzig meetup on April 30. He sends $54.30. Can't wait to hear the meetup report from that one. Daniel Lind, Humble, Texas. 5374. Happy birthday. Birthday for his 53rd trip around the sun. Happy belated birthday to John. That said, that's hence 5374 numerology counts. Chris Reeves in Wichita, Kansas. 53, 33. Margie. Margie. Margie. What is this Margie? Some kind of pronunciation?

[Adam Curry]

Margie or Margie. Yeah, Margie.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the Margi. No, it says Margi as in go

[Adam Curry]

G. E. E is spelled G. It

[John C. Dvorak]

says right here in the notes.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's. How do you spell. Take the word G. How do you spell it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I'm with you on that. But it says here in the note. This is happy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, I see it. Or use a hard G.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says please with wish. A very Happy birthday on April 22. With love from her family in Wichita. Margie, as in geek. Argue with with me.

[Adam Curry]

I'm arguing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what makes the show?

[Adam Curry]

I don't care what it says.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know you don't. You just want to argue. You're just here to Argue. You don't care what the point is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you said so at the beginning.

[John C. Dvorak]

James Bu. Did I?

[Adam Curry]

What did I say at the beginning? So you got plenty of clips, you're just here to grouse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, goodness. Oh, now I get it. That made you mad.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm. No, I took your advice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some things never change. James Bueller, Belleville, IL 5272. William Kidwell, 5272. Charles V. Brooke Bruschetti, Grove City, PA 5272. Thanks for the analysis. Says wishing John a healthy, quick recovery. He's here just a few weeks after his chest was cut open. Tyrell McMahon, Somerville, Tennessee 5151 ITM and 73s from November Juliet 8X Ray 73s Forrest Mar, $50.05. Andrew Benz, $50.05. He's in Imperial, Missouri. Cat from Toronto, California, shout out to Ash Gavai from Toronto, Ontario, who just turned 41. You both love your show. Thanks for what you do. Glad you're okay. John. Now the 50s Baron Slam Bob Rolling night of the Guadalupe and Sand City In San Jose, California, 50. And he says, I will never leave you and always stand by your side. Alex Delgado, Aptos, California, 50. Simon Smith, Jordan, South Jordan U. Leanne Shipley in Covington, Washington. Michael Mize in Diamond Head, Mississippi. Woo. Almost messed it up. And that's it. Those are the 50s. And that is our list of value for value supporters for the time, talent. And this was the treasure portion for episode 1862. We appreciate everybody who supports us in any manner whatsoever, time, talent or treasure. But man, it does help when you guys send in some treasure. Noagendadonations.com everybody can participate. You can do it on your own, own time, your own dime, your own schedule. Just whenever you feel you got value out of the show, send it back to us. No agenda donations dot com. You can even set up a bitcoin donation or recurring donation anytime, any frequency. No agenda donations dot com. And here are those birthdays. Her entire family says Happy birthday to Margie. Celebrate on the 22nd. Kennedy Sage Myers was born on the 23rd. Yesterday. Well welcome brand new human resource. Sir John turned 16. Oh, that's actually today she was born. What? She was born today. Kennedy Sage. Wow. And Sir John turned 69 today. Max Marder wishes his wife Annie Marder a happy birthday. On the 26th, Daniel Lindt turns 53 and Kat says happy birthday. Happy birthday to Ash Agave from Toronto turned 41 years old. We say happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe. And we have a couple of special people to thank. Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose right from the start.

[Producer or Chorus]

In the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brave and smart, the Order of the Heart. We have two Red Knights Order of the Heart to congratulate. They will be receiving that handsome lapel pin in addition to their night ring. Sir X Nononymous and Sir Dobie, Destroyer of Libraries. Thanks to your insanite donation of $1,000. Congratulations and welcome to the Order of the Hearts. Behold the Order of the Heart, Pure of purpose, right from the stars.

[Producer or Chorus]

In the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brave and smart, the Order of the heart. Two quick miss. Actually, a missed donation note from sir E61. He's black sheep. Easter. E61. Black sheep. We didn't have that note in the last show. Quick blurb for my last 202.02 donation. John, you're sounding like your old grumpy self. Thank you for your service. Amen. Love you, brother. Jingles Obama. You might die. I can't believe I didn't have that one set up. Where is. You might die? I have such a good system. What's What. You might. Where is he? Is he. Oh, here he is. You might die. Hardly worth it, but I'm glad I did that. Also, we have a by.

[Adam Curry]

That's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was trying to. I was trying to skip that, but thanks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I saw that. I wasn't gonna let you get. He wants guy. That's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's the wrong one. I see.

[Adam Curry]

That's good enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have. There's so many of them. I think it has to do with the classic. Here we go. That's true. Okay. Since you called for it. A night from Chris.

[Adam Curry]

He also said Mimi rocks.

[John C. Dvorak]

That I just missed. I would have said that. I didn't miss that on purpose. Chris Kinney. We learned how to say that on the last show. He said, on show. 1860. My parents, Mike and Becky Kenney, gifted me an insta knighthood for my 50th birthday. That's right. I would like to claim that knighthood with the following title. Which will be. What will it be? Sir Sound Guy, Red Knight of Streaming Data, Protector of the transactions. At the roundtable, I'd like to partake of shiner, Bohemian black lager and true Buffalo style. Hot wings and blue cheese. He likes long stuff. By the way, Mike welcomed JCD to the Zipper Club. The Zipper Club is a club for people who have undergone open heart surgery. It is named after the unique scar running up the sternum that looks a lot like a zipper. You don't say ITM Chris Kinney, soon to be Sir Sound guy. Yes, that is in fact true. Because we have a couple of nights to welcome today and I'm going to bring up my blade. John has a little tiny one.

[Adam Curry]

I got one right here. The portable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Chris Kenny, Anonymous and Cody Dobson. All three of you hop up here on the podium. You're about to become knights of the no Agenda round table. I'm very proud to pronounce the K the as Sir Sound Guy. Red Knight of streaming data, Protector of the transactions, Sir Xnonymous and Sir Doby, Destroyer of libraries. Gentlemen, for you we have hookers and blow Rent boys and Chardonnay Extra hookers as requested. Shiner Bohemian Black lager and True Buffalo style hot wings of Blue. Cheers Cheese. Along with that we've got redheads and Rise. We've got Rubin s Women and rose geishas and sake, Vodka Manila bargain suburban spike ring cider and escorts. Ginger ale and gerbils, Breast milk and Pablo man mutton and mead always available here at your no Agenda night and dame roundtable. And thank you all. Go to no agendarings.com. that is where you can take a look at these wonderful. Do we have the or the Red Knight pin up there yet?

[Producer or Chorus]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

I do want to say one more thing. I want to thank Sir Skunk Beard for the card he sent the card and a coin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

Which he wanted to remind you was valuable.

[John C. Dvorak]

What coin? And was was a little coin.

[Adam Curry]

I'll talk to you about it after the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh man. Like, like like a million dollars valuable.

[Adam Curry]

We should be so lucky.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about a bitcoin somebody? That somebody should send us a bitcoin. That would be nice but we'll take whatever we can get and we appreciate everybody supporting us. No Agenda donations dot com. And we always have a list of the meetups for you. These are the no Agenda meetups which you can [e-mail]. Yeah this is where the no Agenda nation gets together all around the world. Truly is an international event and happening and you can attend one near you. You can go to noagendameetups.com this is where you will find people who will give you connection immediate protection. These are your responders in the first. Your first responders in an emergency and you can go visit them in the Netherlands. If you're in Scheveningen on Saturday that'll be the second no Agenda splash up. Oh that's where they go swimming Crazy people. Albuquerque. The 505 meetup. Also on Saturday at 2:00 clock at Tin Can Alley in Albany. The flight of the no agenda number 74 in Toluca Lake, California, Foreman's Whiskey Tavern. That is leo bravo. The 74th meetup he has organized and there's a lot of people that show up. That's always cool. Central Ohio people in California needed especially Los Angeles area. The central Ohio meet up at 5 o' clock on Saturday at Dempsey's Food and Spirits in Columbus, Ohio. And see on Sunday our next show. Day M1. No, it's the Michigan Local 1 Spring Fling. Ah yes, Michigan Local 1. One of the, I think one of the oldest meetup groups. One o' Clock Brewery Becker in Brighton, Michigan. Still to come this month, North Toronto in Ontario on the 29th. AlphaRetta Georgia on the 30th. Leipzig in Germany on the 30th. I'm expecting a lot of people to be there. Let's take a quick look. We got so many coming up in May, June, July. October is already on the Calendar. Go to noagendameetups.com this is where you can find every single one listed. Now here's the good news. It doesn't cost anything. You don't have to. There's no, you know, like secret handshake. You just say in the morning and everyone, hey, in the morning, how you doing? And you grab a drink and have a good time and chat about stuff. And you will find that even though everybody's from very diverse backgrounds, from constitutional lawyers to lowly hookers, we have them. They've been to our meetups. And by the way, not all of them are lowly. Why did I even say that? I don't know. Help me. You'll find these people at no Agenda meetups. And if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's easy. Noagendameetups.com guaranteed. Always a party. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days you wanna be with. Where you want me triggered on Hell Lame. You want to be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

And before we move on to the highly anticipated John's tip of the what? I don't see any ISOs.

[Adam Curry]

I decided to let you have it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what you going to some excuse like dog ate my homework. I was in the er.

[Adam Curry]

Ate my homework.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was in the ER and no one attended to to me.

[Tucker Carlson]

Please.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know that I tried to get people to help you, right? Did you know that.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, like how?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I put out a. I put

[Adam Curry]

out a. Oh, I saw that tweet. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I said, I.

[Adam Curry]

How did it pay off?

[John C. Dvorak]

I got. Well, I had. There was a lot. Doctors responded. People were calling, nurses they knew. So I don't know if it helps. It got you a nasty doctor, so maybe it helped. But then you got the kind nurse who wanted to immediately take. Take your complain complaint. So did you get helped? Do you feel like you got helped? You got a monitor? You got an iPhone?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm good to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here are my ISOs. You choose.

[Producer or Chorus]

These geezers gotta be sick of picking ISOs.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just cute. I don't think it's appropriate for a nice.

[Adam Curry]

I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it too. How about you put some money toward us?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, a little bit. A little.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. Funny guys. Real sweet.

[Adam Curry]

Now you're talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, thank you.

[Buckley Carlson]

Goodbye.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And boom.

[John C. Dvorak]

You like that one? You like the. Thank you? Hold on a second. And then the last one is. They were right about everything.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that's the one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I knew. I knew I'd nail it eventually. Hey, everybody, it's that time again. John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam, this is a crazy one. This comes from producer Zach. He sends me this website and it's like, holy mackerel. If you're a. If you think you're handy or handyman, you need, you know, some sort of a wrench or maybe you need a certain kind of special hammer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vice grip. Vice grip.

[Adam Curry]

You need vice grips. Real ones and ones that say vice grips on them. And they work. Right. Which is not everyone.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have vice grip.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you need some. You need some tools for a power. You need wires or you need level controls or temperature control devices. Filters. Filters of any sort. Check out this website. This is the damnedest thing. This is everything known to man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay?

[Adam Curry]

The name of the website is Master. I'm sorry, what? McMaster. I'm sorry, McMaster. Mc Mac

[John C. Dvorak]

McMaster dot com. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Keep scrolling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Oh, man. They got hard hats.

[Adam Curry]

You can scroll for days.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my goodness. This is great. Look at this thing. It's like Home Depot on a web website, only on steroids, hand tools. Let's see, plumbing and janitorial. Do they have toilets? I need a toilet. I need a new toilet. Toilets and urinals. They got toilets. Urinals. Wall mounted urinals.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's what you need.

[NPR Correspondent Ryan Lucas]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. They have bidets. Do they have Bidets. I want a bidet. They got. Wow. This is, this, this is pretty good. You can, oh, you can look by. You can sort it by. Different bowl. I've been thinking about a new toilet. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, you know, here's, here's your, your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why, I'm good. Why?

[Adam Curry]

What's wrong with the toilet?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't like our toilet.

[Adam Curry]

What's wrong with it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why, it's, it's too low and it's cheap. It feels cheap. I want it when I want people.

[Adam Curry]

Costco has nice toilets for good prices.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want people to feel like, oh, this is a n toilet.

[Adam Curry]

Well, then you want to get one of those Japanese things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah, that's, that's naff. I don't want to get one.

[Adam Curry]

So before the guy you know can say hello, he gets washed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Phrase. No, I don't want it. I want. Well, I like the snowmobile ones. You know, they're, they're really huge. Like he's. I want it to be a throne. That's what I want for my guests. It's not for me. It's for my guests. McMaster.com. that is an interesting find. I like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'd say I was very impressed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I like that a lot. Well, that's just one of the many tips you [e-mail]. And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti. And that concludes our broadcast day. Right on time. It's a beautiful thing. John's going to do his metrics now. What is it called?

[Adam Curry]

What do they have when physical therapy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, what is it? What is it when you do a car diagnostics? No, it's telemetry. There we go.

[Adam Curry]

Car diagnostics.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your telemetry.

[Adam Curry]

My telemetry. Your telemetry to the home base on a phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, coming up next on noagendastream.com if you didn't get kicked out bowl after bowl. Oh, that says there's Spencer and Dame DeLorean. They'll be doing the show for you. You can just stay tuned to your modern podcast app or no agenda stream.com. remember, we will be here on Sunday to bring you another jam packed show full of media deconstruction. Tell me you didn't learn something today and you should not come back if you did. You got some value, return it. So Remember, no agenda donations.com coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country right here in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from the Refinery row in Northern California, I'm John Cdvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please remember [e-mail] until Sunday. Adios, mofos. A hooey, hooey and such.

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Hey.

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[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

Adios, mofo Devorak. Org na. They were right about everything.