1865 - "Wide Awakes"

Summary

No Agenda Show #1865 - “Wide Awakes”

Date: May 3, 2026
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Episode Overview

This episode of the No Agenda Show delves into several intersecting themes, with a focus on the shifting nature of political violence in the US, the roles of media and pharmaceuticals in social destabilization, the ongoing Iran conflict, and the transformation of iconic media personalities and platforms due to legal and technological disruption. The show combines nimble, irreverent commentary with media deconstruction and clips, maintaining its signature blend of skepticism and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Spencer Pratt & Social Media Manipulation (00:33 – 02:11)

• Brief riff on Spencer Pratt’s unexpected rise in Los Angeles politics, propelled by viral social media campaigns, including parody and sockpuppet activism.
• Dvorak notes the sophistication of online shilling:
  “It's a phenomenon... you see some woman standing there, looks like she's going to get bitch and moan about something and so she starts complaining that she goes into a big rant about Spencer Pratt…” (01:11)

2. Media Censorship & The Mass Shooter “Three Names” Pattern (02:11 – 03:51)

• Curry notes an unusual shift with the latest mass shooter: media actively avoided repeating the perpetrator’s “three names” (Cole Thomas Allen), breaking a longstanding reporting pattern.

  “Since when has that ever happened?” — Adam (03:41)

• The hosts wonder if this is to avoid mythologizing shooters via the "three-name" trope.

3. Profile of Cole Allen and The Wide Awakes (03:51 – 09:29)

• Cole Allen, LA teacher, suspect in assassination attempt on Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner, is profiled.
• His manifesto frames him as an anti-Trump radicalized by online movements (“Wide Awakes,” "No Kings" protests, Sunrise Movement).
• The “Wide Awakes” are traced historically from Lincoln-era abolitionists to contemporary climate/ICE agitators.

  “This is so strange. It's like it's upside down.” — Adam (09:16)

4. Progressive Radicalization, Media Narrative, and Obama’s Response (10:03 – 13:29)

• Discussion of Obama’s generic condemnation of violence vs. obvious anti-Trump motivation made clear in manifestos and social media.

• Media clip:

  “He wrote that he was no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to coat his hands with crimes...” (11:23)

• Notable: PBS NewsHour discussion where even centrist commentators note a growing acceptance of violence, particularly among younger and progressive voters.

  “If you look at who thinks violence is [justified]... two and a half times as many progressive states...” — David Brooks (12:09)

• John/Curry impressed: "I've never heard him go off the reservation like that before."

5. Role of SSRIs, MK Ultra, and Pharmaceutical Influence (15:46 – 23:43)

• Adam forwards an updated “MK Ultra” thesis: Radical acts might be triggered not just by ideology but by heavy SSRI (antidepressant) use, which is prevalent and under-discussed due to Big Pharma's media sponsorship.

  “Maybe the algo is the MK Ultra trigger.” — Adam (22:30)

• They replay arguments of SSRIs’ link to violence and reflect on historic sedative misuse.

  “Maybe it never really even was the... true MK Ultra. Maybe the algo is the MK Ultra trigger.” — Adam (22:30)

• John: “Well, this is a new thesis. I like it.” (20:41)

6. RFK Jr. Promises and the Limits of Reform (24:00 – 41:08)

• Adam and John recall RFK Jr.’s reform pledges (ban pharma ads, open health databases, prosecute medical journal corruption) and debate the lack of substantive follow-through.

  “All he's done so far is he talks a lot... just gotten the red dye out of food.” — John (24:35)

• RFK Jr.'s positions on vaccines seem to shift under political pressure, indicating institutional inertia overwhelms most reformers, even well-intentioned ones.

7. Surgeon General Nominee Drama & Pharma Capture (41:22 – 44:16)

• Saga of Trump’s stalled Surgeon General nominees—Kasey Means’ withdrawal after opposition over vaccines and psychedelics—framed as another example of pharma/medical establishment gatekeeping.

8. GLP-1 “Fat Vaccine” Hair Loss Side Effect (44:28 – 47:31)

• Brief (humorous) take on how the popular weight-loss injectable GLP-1 drugs are creating a gold rush in hair-restoration, as side effects mount.

9. Media Disruption: The End of InfoWars, Parody, and Jones’ Pivot (47:37 – 53:12)

• Infowars' brand, taken over by The Onion for parody, triggers discussion of the business of dissident media, Jones’ direct sales empire, and clever domain name holding.
• Adam details how legacy brands can be shed for new decentralized, less tainted platforms ("alexjoneslive.com").

10. Tucker Carlson Interviewed and Beltway Media Culture (53:12 – 59:56)

• Clips from a combative New York Times interview with Tucker Carlson highlight DC elite echo chambers and an unwillingness to substantiate Beltway “common sense.”
• Memorable exchange:

  “Who are these people?” — NYT Reporter
  “I don't know... is the real answer. I don't know.” — Tucker (54:59–55:16)

• He denies controversial statements until confronted with the tape:

  “Those words never left my lips.” — Tucker (58:33)

11. US Economic Warfare against Iran & OPEC (60:32 – 71:15)

• Extended segment on the US using economic pressure and sanctions to spark regime change in Iran, seize assets, and destabilize OPEC via UAE dollar swap lines.

  “We are making people less willing to deal with the regime.” — Scott Bessen, Treasury Secretary (62:02)

• OPEC unity falters as UAE and other Gulf states pivot toward US/freemarket alliances.

12. The “War” That Isn’t: Legality, Messaging & Price Pain (71:15 – 76:03)

• The administration argues that not calling US operations against Iran a “war” sidesteps War Powers Act requirements, leading to pushback from Congress.

  “[If] you don't call it a war, you don't have legal problems.” — Adam (71:25)

• Domestic impacts (“$6.19 gas in CA!”), congressional agitation, and polling showing public disapproval.

13. Internet Blackouts & Starlink Smuggling in Iran (81:26 – 87:21)

• Reports of activists smuggling Starlink terminals into Iran to circumvent state-imposed internet shutdowns, enabling news and coordination of protests.

  “We purchase Starlinks and smuggle them through the borders. It's a very complex operation.” (82:44)

14. Big Tech, AI Contracts, and Hollywood’s AI Panic (89:48 – 103:32)

• AI arms race: Google joins Pentagon's roster for classified AI work; cloud computing costs discussed; Anthropic's valuation surges as AI industry’s sustainability is questioned.
• Oscars clamp down on AI-generated actors/scripts, but Hollywood’s losses mount as technology outpaces legacy business models.

  “Actors are not going to be replaced, and we're going to make sure that that doesn't happen.” (96:53)

• Writers and actors unions secure temporary protections, but the hosts see it as delaying the inevitable.

15. Epstein Suicide Note and Court Secrecy (103:39 – 109:16)

• The hosts break down media coverage of a possible Epstein suicide note (possibly authentic, but sealed/unavailable).

  “A judge has it under his purview right now, involved in a separate case...” (108:23)

• Noted: odd way judicial discretion can keep documents out of public view.

16. Emergence of Criminal Liability for Parents (109:16 – 112:12)

• A case where a mother is charged with manslaughter after her teenager kills a pedestrian with an e-motorcycle, previewing the expansion of parental liability for children’s crimes.

  “You predicted this so early on about parents getting sued, getting locked up for their children's crimes.” — Adam (109:22)

17. Lighter Notes: Drunk or Not Drunk, Passport Collectibles, and More (112:48 – End)

• A “Drunk or Not Drunk” segment featuring Kamala Harris—conclusion: not drunk, just adopting an odd cadence.
• US State Department to issue a “limited edition” passport featuring Trump's likeness—both Adam & John want one as potential collectibles (117:21).
• Playful discussion about receiving fake “Trump hundreds” at the bank.
• Closing out with show credits, donation acknowledgments, and a round of humorous banter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Media Manipulation

“It's kind of like a baba booy... Well, it's a little more advanced than that.” — Adam & John, on viral political memes (01:26)

On Pharma/Media Capture

“75% of the revenues for those evening news shows... is coming from Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies. And those companies are dictating content on those shows and they dictate the official narratives.” — RFK Jr., as quoted by Adam (27:00)

On Social Breakdown

“All eyes on the cesspool of cynicism that is social media, because anyone could fall prey to this. Anyone.” — Adam (31:36)

On SSRIs and Radicalization

“That is the basis of the problem. But then you just need to add inflammatory language and expose everybody to it... especially not if we're on drugs. That no one really knows how they work, but they might make you homicidal or suicidal.” — Adam (29:52, 31:36)

On Government Evasion

“They don't like the word war and they call it a military operation because that way you don't have a war, you don't have legal problems.” — Adam (71:25)

On Digital Resistance

“We purchase Starlinks and smuggle them through the borders. It's a very complex operation.” (82:44)

On AI and Hollywood

“Actors are not going to be replaced, and we're going to make sure that that doesn't happen... because the technology is going to be here no matter what we do.” (96:53)

On Trump Collectibles

“The U.S. state Department is rolling out a new limited edition passport that includes a picture of President Trump... obvious collectible.” (117:21)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Spencer Pratt and Social Media Shilling: 00:33 – 02:11
• Cole Thomas Allen: Shooter Naming Conventions: 02:11 – 03:51
• Wide Awakes Profile & Sunrise Movement: 03:51 – 09:29
• Obama’s Response & Motive Debate: 10:03 – 13:29
• SSRIs, Pharma Influence, Modern MK Ultra: 15:46 – 23:43
• RFK Jr. Promises and Institutional Inertia: 24:00 – 41:08
• Surgeon General and Pharma Capture: 41:22 – 44:16
• GLP-1 Side Effects & Hair Loss: 44:28 – 47:31
• End of InfoWars & Parody Media: 47:37 – 53:12
• Tucker Interview & Beltway Bubble: 53:12 – 59:56
• Iran, Economic Warfare & OPEC: 60:32 – 71:15
• Not-a-War & Political Legality: 71:15 – 76:03
• Starlink Smuggling to Iran: 81:26 – 87:21
• Hollywood AI Panic & SAG Settlement: 89:48 – 103:32
• Epstein Note/Judicial Secrecy: 103:39 – 109:16
• Parental Liability for Crimes: 109:16 – 112:12
• Fun and Closing Segments: 112:48 – end

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Tone & Format Notes

• The episode is marked by the hosts’ trademark irreverence, skepticism, and sly humor.
• Tone alternates between deeply skeptical deconstruction, nostalgia, and wry resignation about institutional failure.

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Summary for New Listeners

No Agenda #1865, “Wide Awakes,” is a dense, engaging exploration of the current American media and political landscape. Curry and Dvorak examine recent political violence, “manufactured” social movements, and the ways in which the information economy, pharmaceutical prevalence, and Big Tech converge to distort reality and fuel instability. The episode seamlessly weaves together media criticism, an updated “MK Ultra” theory, skepticism toward government and reformers, commentary on AI and Hollywood, and hilarious tangents.
A must-listen for those seeking smart, contrarian takes on the intersection of media, technology, and politics.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Chop off your your bits. Ooh. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, May 3, 2026. This is your award winning Get One Nation Media Assassination Episode 1865. This is no agenda dropping middle names and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Adam Curry and from Refinery Row where we're all saying Spencer Pratt for mayor, I'm John C. Dvorak, it's Crackbot and Buz in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this guy is. He just came out of nowhere, didn't he? The Spencer Pratt cat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'll tell you, he is the social media genius.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, his videos are fantastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he videos plus a bunch of shills.

[Adam Curry]

Shills? What kind of shills?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, all these different women coming on with the. They looks like they're going to talk about one thing, then they talk about Spencer Pratt and then there's all these, these anti the other people videos done anonymously by different outfits. It's a phenomenon.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not quite. You gave me a lot of code there. But so women come on different shows.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have if you go through the like the like Twitter or X, you see, you know, some woman standing there, looks like she's going to get bitch and moan about something and so she starts complaining that she goes into a big rant about Spencer Pratt being the only solution.

[Adam Curry]

So it's kind of like a baba boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's a little more advanced than that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, of course anything is more advanced than the baba booy gag, but. Oh, interesting. So this guy's got legs. Is this for the. When are the elections for governor? Is that same November time?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's for mayor of la.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, mayor. Oh, and when is that? When is the election for that November? Oh, we just had our mayoral election here on Saturday, which is kind of odd. Our guy in Hayes won. It wasn't for mayor, it was for the school district. I misspoke. But he won. Alex Zavala.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good.

[Adam Curry]

A guy here in Fredericksburg won. Randy Briley. Things are changing. Texas is moving towards the left, they say. I think not. I think not. So I noticed something this past week which has never happened in the 18 years we've done this show and it's borderline second half of show topic. But maybe not. When you have a mass shooter, a killer, an assassin, a criminal, we're always looking out for a couple of clues. Number 33 is a big one. We're always looking out for the FBI to be in touch with this person previously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly. Three names.

[Adam Curry]

The three names, yes. This is usually number one, the three names. And here's what happened this week in the M5M. Cole Thomas Allen. Cole Thomas Allen. Cole Thomas Allen.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Cole Thomas Allen. Cole Thomas Allen.

[Adam Curry]

Cole Thomas Allen.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Thomas Allen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Paul. Thomas Allen.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Thomas Allen.

[Adam Curry]

Paul Thomas Allen. Cole Thomas Allen. Cole Thomas Allen.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Paul Thomas Allen.

[Adam Curry]

Poll Allen.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Cole Allen. Cole Allen.

[Adam Curry]

Cole Allen.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Paul Allen.

[Adam Curry]

Cole Allen.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Cole Allen. Paul Allen. Cole Allen.

[Adam Curry]

Cole Allen.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Cole Allen. Cole Allen. Cole Allen. Cole Allen.

[Adam Curry]

Cole Allen.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Cole Allen.

[Adam Curry]

Cole Allen. Cole Allen. Cole Allen. Cole Allen. Cole Allen. Cole Allen. Since when has that ever happened?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't recall it ever happening.

[Adam Curry]

So that is strange. And I think it's probably mainly media trying to. Shh. Hush him up a little. Shh. Gotta be quiet. We can't give this guy three names. That makes him sound super bad. And there were so many strange things that went down regarding this. You know, everything is upside down with this guy. Let's get a little refresher on the background of Cole Thomas Allen. The suspect, 31 year old Cole Allen, is a teacher from Torrance, California, south of Los Angeles.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

He reportedly wrote a manifesto to his family and he's been interviewed by latv. Christine Frizzow reports.

[Adam Curry]

My impression is he was a lone wolf whack job.

[John C. Dvorak]

These are crazy people.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

President Donald Trump, seemingly unshaken following a gunman in his vicinity for the third time in less than two years. This suspect, seen in surveillance video running through a security checkpoint and within moments being captured by Law enforcement is 31 year old Cole Thomas Allen from Torrance, California. He reportedly had a 1000 word manifesto he sent to his family, now published in the New York Post, calling himself a quote, friendly federal assassin, describing his targets as administration officials, not including FBI Director Cash Patel, adding, I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. He also mocked the, quote, insane lack of security at the hotel, writing, I walk in with multiple weapons and not a single person there considers the possibility that I could be a threat.

[Adam Curry]

We have preliminary work into some of his electronic devices and talking to some of individuals who knew him. It does appear that he did in fact have set out to target folks that work in the administration, likely including the President.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Other revelations so far, that the suspect was part of a group called the Wide Awakes and attended a no Kings protest in California where he also was working at an educational counseling and test program prep company, the Wheelchair breaks. Back in 2017, a local ABC station interviewed him about an emergency wheelchair break he'd invented.

[Adam Curry]

So this is still here. He's still Cole Alan Thomas. And this, you know, the whole thing about this guy fits. It works perfectly in our cesspool of cynicism, which is what we are surrounded with everywhere. Social media, podcasts, our very own troll room. And so here's News Nation. News Nation, who now lead the charge by dropping the middle name. But they did dive into this Wide Awakes, which almost nobody did. Have you ever heard of the Wide Awakes?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

It's a historical group.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

As the administration is working on reviewing how to best protect our president, the FBI is working on finding out exactly who Cole Allen is.

[Adam Curry]

What News Nation. Did you forget his middle name led

[Reporter / Correspondent]

him to attempt this?

[John C. Dvorak]

They forgot his last name.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

President. Investigators say Allen professed to be part of a loosely organized progressive group known as the Wide Awakes, which has roots dating back to when Abraham Lincoln was elected president. Investigative correspondent Rich McHugh joins us live. So, Rich, this is a grade school teacher with no criminal record.

[Adam Curry]

That's right, Nicole. You know, we're learning more and more about Cole Allen as the days, you know, pass here and the group that he was apparently aligned with that his sister told authorities that he was a member of called the Wide Awakes. Here's what we know about this group and his affiliation with them at this time. So the Wide Awakes appear to be part of a group called the Sunrise Movement. It's a political movement or organization wants to end billionaire rule and stop the climate crisis, that it wants Donald Trump out of power. One of their activist campaigns is ICE out for Good, focusing on ice. And members of that campaign call themselves Wide Awakes, quite literally agitators whose sole purpose is to disrupt ice. In Los Angeles and Minneapolis this past winter, they held no sleep for ICE protests outside of ICE hotels with the goal of getting ICE out of their cities. They've held these protests in Portland and in D.C. too. On their website, they write, for almost a year, Donald Trump has been using ICE as an occupying army to intimidate and repress those who would stand against him. To win climate action, we need to live in a democracy. And that means preventing Donald Trump from establishing his own personal gestapo. The origins of this group and this name, as you mentioned, go way back to the pre Civil War era. At that time, the Wide Awakes, a movement dedicated to abolishing slavery. They protected abolitionist politicians from violence while relentlessly harassing pro slavery politicians, showing up at their homes banging pots and pans. This is so strange. It's like it's upside down. Pro abolitionists that were that. That happened during Lincoln's time, and they're part of the Sunrise Movement, these kids who were singing and in the hallways. Something is very strange about all this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the Sunrise Movement website is way too slick with too many professionally designed logos and signage and symbolism. I'm looking at it now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, signage and symbolism, exactly. So the charge was. While you're looking at that, the charge was led by former President Obama, who's like, this is the craziest thing. I don't understand this at all.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Barack Obama claims that no one knows the motive of Cole Allen, the man who tried to assassinate President Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Allegedly. He's also getting backlash.

[Adam Curry]

Allegedly. Nice.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Are claiming to reject political violence, saying, quote, although we don't yet have the details about the motives behind the shooting at the White House Correspondents Dinner, it's incumbent upon us all to reject the idea that violence has any place in our democracy. It's also a sobering reminder of the courage and sacrifice that U.S. secret Service agents show every day. I'm grateful to them and thankful that the agent who was shot is going to be okay. People immediately called him out for being a hypocrite. Allen left a detailed manifesto about his motive. He wrote that he was no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to coat his hands with crimes and planned to target Trump and administration officials. Investigators confirmed the manifesto and his social media were full of anti Trump and anti Christian rants. He followed accounts Left like Representative AOC, Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker and Senator Elizabeth Warren. His sister told police he talked about doing something to fix the world and that he had ties to radical groups like the Wide Awakes and the no Kings protests in California. But Obama still claimed nobody knows the motive, even though the manifesto was already public. And Attorney General Todd Blanch and D.C. police said the motive was clear. Anti Trump bias. Meanwhile, Obama has repeatedly warned that Trump is a threat to democracy and an authoritarian. He has said things like, Trump threatens the very foundations of our democracy and compared to some of his actions, to those of strongmen, which is basically dictators who rule with personal power instead of following normal Democratic rules. Conservatives point out that Obama and his fellow Democrats spend years pushing the narrative that Trump is dangerous, illegitimate, and a threat to the country. They continually demonize Trump and attacks that are repeated by the mainstream media and amplified on platforms like Blue Sky.

[Adam Curry]

Blue Sky. Yes. And then on the PBS NewsHour. I checked your clips, you didn't have them. I was happy because I had a find as I was paddling in your water. Listen to what Brooks said. I look at the 2028 election with a great sense of foreboding. And if you look at who thinks violence is, it tends to be younger people by a lot. Most progressives and most conservatives oppose violence, but you get two and a half times as many progressive states than not. But what strikes me about this guy, about the guy who shot in Butler, about the guy who shot Charlie Cook, Kirk, they haven't seemed to think about it that much. Like, it's not like they've. They're radicals who have a big manifesto and an ideology. It seems almost flippant the way they go into these things. Almost like half thought through and jokey. And I can't quite make sense of what that kind of lighthearted nihilism that drives people to, on a whim, almost do something that is horrific and life changing two and a half times more likely to be the left. David Brooks says I've never heard him go off the reservation like that before. In fact, his compagnon Capehart was just flustered.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Jonathan, how do you look at it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, excuse me. I'm not going to just let the comment that, you know, progressives more than folks in the far right are, you know, think that violence is justified. It is something that the American people feel. They're a little more comfortable with it than they were, say, five or 10 years ago that you and I were in that room. We walked through the magnetometers together. We stood in that spot. The thing now a week out that I've been thinking about, and I keep coming back to it, is that when I heard the five bangs, I remember hearing five very loud bangs. Bang, bang, bang. My immediate action was so instinctive. Drop to the floor under the table and be quiet like a little girl. I've never been in a situation like that. But as an American and certainly as a journalist, having to cover all of these things and to listen to the recordings and the films, you sort of learn through osmosis what to do. And to me, the bigger issue here is gun violence. Why was I not surprised? Woo, there it is. That this had happened. And I've been to that dinner at least a dozen times since 2000 because I'm important. And so, yeah, there's an issue of, you know, people feeling that political violence is the way to go and that we are in a highly charged atmosphere. But what's been sort of a specter over all of us for even longer is the scourge of gun violence. Yeah, a good try. No one is picking up on that. No one is going with gun violence at this time. Even Ms. Now formerly known as msnbc. Ms. Now even they are seeing what's really happening. This is a person who attended one of the most prestigious STEM universities in the country, the California Institute of Technology, Caltech, got an engineering undergrad degree, got a master's in computer science and was working, as Mika said early on, he was working as a part time teacher. But he described himself as a game developer. You can find video online of him touting a wheelchair invention that allowed wheelchairs to be more stable. This was an accomplished, articulate person with a loving family apparently who went down a path of radicalization. And the reason we know that is he's written a thousand word document where he describes exactly why he did this and he describes President Trump as a pedophile and a racist rapist. He doesn't say he was targeting Donald Trump, but he says he was targeting Trump administration officials. He apologizes to his family. In this post. There's some evidence that he attended or was associated with a no Kings protest. So it really fits the pattern of what we've seen with Luigi Mangione accused of killing the UnitedHealthcare CEO or Tyler Robinson accused of killing Charlie Kirk. Of this sort of people on the far left fringes who have become radicalized, who are living in a world of unreality, bombarded by conspiracy theories, who decide that they have to take violent action. And it's contributing to a climate of political violence in this country that we have not seen since the 1960s. So more questions will be asked. And you know, the FBI is poring over this man's writings and his social media. They served a search warrant on it. They were at his house in Torrance, California yesterday. So a lot more investigation still being done. But that, that thousand word document that's being, that's been widely published and Donald Trump commented on it last night on 60 Minutes. That says a lot about, and explains a lot about what appear to be the motives here, guys. So there's a cycle I think at play here. And you know, we're seeing some, as they say, some of this is like the 60s political violence all over again. And what are the chances that Anna Paulina Luna, which I think should be, she should be on the radio, she do a morning show. Right now we've got Anna Polina Luna, she's down there with the, with the prize van Allen Polina, what you got? She has hearings coming up on May 13, which we've been talking about for pretty much 18 years on this show. From Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, I think our next task force hearing will be on MK Ultra. And from the Daily Mail, which she posted. Declassified CIA files revealed chilling blueprint to manipulate Americans minds through covert drugging with vaccines. So I went down memory lane, looked at a couple of clips that we played in the past, and the one thing missing from all of the mainstream M5M analysis for a long time is the modern version of MK Ultra, which is not necessarily the CIA. I don't know about vaccines, but we know what it is. We know exactly what it is. SSRIs. You're gonna get on the air and say, hey, we just give it. This is from 2013. They sedative at night, when even Thom Hartman could talk about it. Don't even use it as an antidepressant anymore. And they're not gonna tell you that it's an SSRI reuptake inhibitor. Does that sound familiar?

[John C. Dvorak]

Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, which is the

[Adam Curry]

same family of drugs as Paxil. And what's the most famous one of all?

[John C. Dvorak]

Prozac.

[Adam Curry]

You wrote a book talking back to Prozacil.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zoloft.

[Adam Curry]

And the thing about it is that it's not selective. It's just a reuptake inhibitor of serotonin, but it also inhibits the reuptake of some other drugs, but it's in that class of the drugs, so it increases the levels of circulating serotonin.

[John C. Dvorak]

And these drugs, these SSRI drugs, all of them have suicide or homicide associated with them, do they not? They do. They do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Don't worry about the sounds. We will just. Oh, yeah, you can hear me shuffling around. It's hard to hear here.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's quite all right. Not to worry, Dr. Breggen.

[Adam Curry]

We're talking with Dr. Peter Breggen, a practicing psychiatrist and the author of Medication Madness among other books, and he's pointing out that the Navy yard shooter was on an ssri.

[John C. Dvorak]

SSRI drugs have been associated with, correct

[Adam Curry]

me if I'm wrong, most of the

[John C. Dvorak]

mass shootings that we know of in

[Adam Curry]

the history of the United States. Is that an accurate statement? So perhaps we're just missing the obvious here. That a good portion of our country, certainly people in their 30s, 20s, and 30s and younger, but it's always the kids, the kids, kids, hey, it's the moms, it's the young dads. It's the young people. It's the young. It's the incels. Sorry, incels. They're all on these SSRIs. And if all day long, all day long, you get messaging from President Barack Obama, from everybody on the blue cry. I mean, I saw the video of that guy walking around the hotel hallways back and forth. These people are, in effect, modern MK Ultra. It's not that hard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is a new thesis. I like it.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it seemed. And really, when you think about it, this stuff has been going on since the 50s with these drugs that really brought this home first was a drug called Reserve, which has been used to treat people who had hypertension. Now it also became used as a drug to treat people who are anxious, a drug to treat kids who are hyperactive, a drug to treat people who are depressed, and a drug to treat people who are psychedelic. But the interesting thing was that people being treated with hypertension, of course, had no nervous problems at all. And they would say, I mean, their reporters saying, when they're in treatment in places like the Mayo Clinic, good clinics, they're reported as say, you know, the first few doses, I became very agitated. I began having thoughts that were very unusual for me. Toast that he included things like. Like homicide.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it was only when I came off the drug that I realized it must have been the drug that did this. So that was there very early on in the 1950s. The reason we know about it, and everybody agrees resipent does these things. It makes you depressed, it makes you suicidal, it makes you homicidal. Everybody agrees about that because this is a drug that was cheap and generic and no pharmaceutical company had any interest to defend it. But when exactly the same things begin to happen on the later antipsychotics and the SSRIs we have now, of course, the pharmaceutical companies are making billions of dollars out of this and they have every interest to defend the drug and tell people no heart drug couldn't cause this. So maybe it never really even was the. The true MK Ultra. Maybe. Maybe the algo is the MK Ultra trigger. Maybe I've been looking at this in the wrong way, like, oh, it's got to be the CIA doing it. No, it's all around us all the time. And Brooks maybe sees it. Capehart, he's probably on him. No, it's gun violence. Scourge of guns. No, no, the guy had knives. Just in case, as an aside. So there is something that the mainstream media can't report on because they still have the drug companies as their largest Advertisers. No one's going to do any news reports on it. And no one, not even the, the big three, you know, the cbs, NBC, abc, they're not going to do it. But this seems to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they're beholden.

[Adam Curry]

They are completely. They're locked in. Locked and loaded.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're co opted.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. So it's no wonder that a guy like this just add blue sky.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they're captured.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they are captured.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can go on.

[Adam Curry]

It's good. You got any more? I like it. Captured. Beholden.

[John C. Dvorak]

Captured.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Co.

[John C. Dvorak]

Opted. Co. Opted.

[Adam Curry]

Co opted, yes. Co opted. Captured. We need more C's. So, and about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which reminded me, I wanted to mention this to you before we did the show, which was to dig up Kennedy's promise.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, his promise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Four things he was going to do. Stop the corruption of the, of the periodicals. Stop TV advertising. There was a.

[Adam Curry]

Was it the promise? I think it was. Was it called promise?

[John C. Dvorak]

It was some sort of promise or something.

[Adam Curry]

RFK Promise. Maybe that's what it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think it was. It's probably mislabel. We'll never find it.

[Adam Curry]

But no, I'll find it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think he's done anything. All he's done so far is he talks a lot. Talks a big game. He. But he just seems to have just gotten the red dye out of food and that's about it. And that wasn't even one of his promises.

[Adam Curry]

He's turned the pyramid upside down. Rfk, was it Promises, was it? No, it was something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was like a to do list for him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm mad now that I. Why can't I find this RFK Jr. Well, one of them was advertising, so maybe I can find it that way. Oh, RFK Dangerous. Okay. RFK junior junior Dangerous. Was that it? Yes, I have them ready. Go number one. I'm not intimidated by the agencies. I know how they work and I know how to change them. And most of those changes you do not need Congress for the President. President Trump could have done it, had the power to do it himself and President Biden has the power to do it himself. And I'll give you an example. With a stroke of the pen, he changed back the rule that allows pharmaceutical advertisers to do direct to consumer ads on television. That's one of the big problems. That's why one of the reasons we have this entrenched agency capture not only of Congress, because they control the airwaves, they control the evening news. 75% of the revenues for those evening news shows. Evening. Anderson Cooper is coming from Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies. And those companies are dictating content on those shows and they dictate the official narratives. And they're able then to exercise huge control over Congress. So Congress is terrified of them, but with a stroke of the pen. Stroke of the pen. This is not good for the health of our country, which it isn't. We spend three times more than any other country for pharmaceutical drugs because of all this advertising. Okay, that was one promise. Number two. Another thing that I can do is I can open up all the, the databases right now. All the databases that you can actually check the efficacy and the safety of vaccines. Like the vaccine safety data. It's the, you know, it's the topic. It's the. All the vaccine records and the medical claims for 10 million Americans from the top 10 HMOs. Oh, you can look in there and overnight you can say, oh, this vaccine's associated with diabetes. This one's associated with peanut allergies. This one's associated with asd, neurological tics or whatever. That database, CDC keeps it in a lockbox like Fort Knox and make sure no scientist is allowed in there. Well, I'll open up that database on day one. Day one. Day one. I'm still waiting to make my claim about being vaccine injured in Tourette's. And then the final promise, and, you know, I'll also bring all the medical journals, the, the New England Journal of Medicine, a Lancet, jama, into the Justice Department, my friend, as soon as I appoint an ag. And to them, you guys are part of a racketeering syndicate. You're collaborating with these pharmaceutical industry, lie to the American public about the efficacy and safety of these products, and you're causing enormous harms. And we are going to sue you both civilly for damages, and we're going to sue you criminally unless you come up with a plan right now as to how you're going to stop doing that. So I have, like, I have a hundred things that I'm going to do immediately.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, 100, he said. And he said I got. He said 100. Didn't you just say that right there?

[Adam Curry]

He said 100. 100 things. So he's done one on the advertising. I think he's done more than one. They did indict that one dude from the Wuhan lab. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Fauci's right hand man. We'll see where that goes.

[John C. Dvorak]

He got to the 11th, but on

[Adam Curry]

the Advertising, the damage is done. The only thing if, if you, if you take away the big pharma advertising, the only thing that might achieve, and that's a big might, is that there would be reports about SSRIs. I mean, we go back to sham Chantix, Shantix, which they couldn't tell you that. You know, I still believe Anthony Bourdain would be alive today if he hadn't taken Chantix. You know, that stuff makes you crazy or made you crazy or allegedly made you crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

We had some. Tons of reports, people waking up.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of reports from our producers.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Waking up naked on their neighbor's lawn. And I don't know how I got here.

[John C. Dvorak]

What the heck.

[Adam Curry]

But so that. So the SSRI is. I think that. Is that mean even if you stopped advertising, kids have breaks in school these days, you know, 13, 12 year olds. Oh, all right, everybody. 10, 15, time for everybody to take your meds. Teacher gotta take my meds. Everyone's take their meds. That it's so entrenched.

[John C. Dvorak]

When I was a kid, nobody took meds.

[Adam Curry]

You took meds. You were a weenie. You didn't. What are you. What's wrong with you? What's your meds?

[John C. Dvorak]

Meds?

[Adam Curry]

It's. That is the. That is the. The. That is the basis of the problem. But then you just need to add inflammatory language and expose everybody to it. And it's not just kids. The people taking These drugs are 30, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. Okay. Back in the day, we had Mom's little Helper, which was. What was that? Mom's. Was that Prozac?

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a tranquilizer. It's different.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yeah. SSRIs. Admittedly, they don't even really know how they work. They just work.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So although I was going to laugh at him, Chuck Todd kind of has the right idea. He's such a weenie. Listen to Chuck Todd. You know, Chuck Todd does podcasts now, these days, I'm not going to any more events where Trump's at him. I don't feel safe. Wherever Donald Trump, chaos follows him. Chaos follows him. And you are less safe. Right. If you decide to go into his orbit, you have become less safe. If you. He's just. He does not care about your safety. He's not going to protect you if you go into his orbit because he's always going to protect himself first. He' to throw you under the bus. He's more likely to have you be the target of Iranian assassins. If you're John Bolton or Mike Pompeo. He's gonna pull any sort of federal support. Right. You know, I think about when somebody using Donald Trump's words and actions targeted me and a bunch of other members of the press. You know who I didn't hear from? Donald Trump. Right. So the guy doesn't care when people commit violence in his name. He only cares when the violence is committed against him. And he does not see that he is a contributor to the atmospherics of the world we're living in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. So anyway, all eyes on the cesspool of cynicism that is social media, because anyone could fall prey to this. Anyone. It's not even a political spectrum anymore. It's just whatever you've been inundated with, whatever has been injected into you, into your brain. We weren't built for this. We weren't built for this type of information, this ingestation. We can't handle it, and especially not if we're on drugs. That no one really knows how they work, but they might make you homicidal or suicidal. Okay. What could possibly go wrong there? Now I'm being cynical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep, you are.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's stick with Kennedy. Are we. Are we done with this thesis?

[Adam Curry]

Thesis is done. Yes. The thesis is over.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we'll follow it closely.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes. Because there's something up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna. I'm going to probably take the side that it does slant you politically.

[Adam Curry]

The SSRI by itself slants you politically.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I'm going that way.

[Adam Curry]

Well, by the same reasoning, it may want you to chop off your. Your bits. Ooh.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here we have Kennedy. He did, you know, he's, you know, again, he's got these promises. He's gonna do 100 things. He's done. Yeah. Maybe five.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But let's. Here he is at a hearing and kind of backing off on some of his thinking.

[Adam Curry]

Kennedy Jr. Hadn't testified on Capitol Hill since September. That changed. This past week, he's just wrapped up seven hearings with several House and Senate committees. The topic was supposed to be his agency's budget, but lawmakers asked him questions far beyond that. Today, Kennedy testified before two Senate committees, Finance and Help, which stand for Health, Education, labor, and pensions. NPR's Selena Simmons Duffins was watching and is here to give us the highlights. Hey, Selena.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Hi, Rob.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so how did the hearings go today?

[Reporter / Correspondent]

You know, there were some intense moments, which wasn't a big surprise because Secretary Kennedy has gotten into shouting matches with lawmakers many times over the last year. I was listening carefully to how Kennedy talked about vaccines prior to joining the Trump administration, Of course, he built his reputation on anti vaccine activism. But then there has been some reporting that the White House is worried about his stance and policy changes on vaccines as a political liability because his positions are pretty unpopular. Here is an exchange with Democratic Senator Michael Bennett of Colorado about the measles vaccine, and he references CDC Acting Director Jay Bhattacharya.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you taking the position, as your

[Adam Curry]

CDC director has taken, that the measles vaccine is vital to keeping American children healthy in this country? Are you taking that position today?

[John C. Dvorak]

That has not been your position.

[Adam Curry]

That's my position. We promote the measles vaccine. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Huh. That's his position. So is that a new position for Kennedy?

[Reporter / Correspondent]

You know, the moment did strike me as a bit of a shift because Kennedy usually says that the measles vaccine is effective for those who decide to take it, framing it as a personal decision, which is. Is not really how public health works. So him agreeing with the statement that the measles vaccine is vital to keeping American children healthy in this country was definitely notable. Although I don't want to overstate it, in most hearings, most of the time, Kennedy still hedged when he was talking about promoting vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute.

[Adam Curry]

I'm misunderstanding how public health works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Apparently, public health only works if things are mandated.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. If they tell you what you must

[John C. Dvorak]

do this, or else you cannot make a choice. My body, myself, forget it. Yeah, that's what she said.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Npr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah, I caught that, too.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's part two, which is kind of interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so we heard a Democratic senator ask him questions. How did Republican senators question Kennedy?

[Reporter / Correspondent]

They were, by and large, very friendly. They wanted to talk about, you know, certain policy issues. There was a lot of praise.

[Adam Curry]

How old is she? 12. I'm just trying to guess by the

[Reporter / Correspondent]

voice and agreements to work together. I was really at the edge of my seat when Republican Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana questioned Kennedy because there's been this simmering conflict between the two men. Cassidy is a physician. He supports vaccines. He made Kennedy promise not to make big policy changes in exchange for his confirmation vote. Kennedy has violated those promises. And I was really expecting Cassidy to challenge Kennedy about those policies. Instead, he expressed concern.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am a doctor who has seen

[Adam Curry]

people die from vaccine preventable diseases. And when I see outbreaks numbering in the thousands and people dying once more from vaccine preventable diseases, particularly children, it seems more than tragic.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

That was very striking for Cassidy to go relatively easy on Kennedy when it comes to vaccines. Now Cassidy is Facing a tough primary race in Louisiana. And President Trump has endorsed a rival in that race.

[Adam Curry]

These hearings were ostensibly about the Health and Human Services budget, which. What did you learn there?

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Yeah, not a lot. There really weren't a lot of questions about the budget. Even though Kennedy has made some big changes. He's cut 20,000 people from the staff of HHS. He's requesting a budget cut for next year. He's proposed eliminating whole agencies. He was asked a few times about programs that were being zeroed out. One of them is title 10, which is a federal program that provides free birth control and STI testing to low income people. And each time he asked, he was just. He would say, the national debt is really high. We have to make cuts somewhere. But there was also strikingly little about his plan to stand up a new agency called the Administration for a Healthy America. He would need Congress's help to do that. And there was really no progress on that front last year. It really doesn't sound like there's going to be a priority for Kennedy for this year either.

[Adam Curry]

Now, did you watch the hearing at all? Do you have a chance to watch any of the other things that were going on?

[John C. Dvorak]

I watched a little bit of it, but I didn't get to watch the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, is he just a disappointment?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think he's pinned in by the bureaucracies, by the, by the underlings. It's just a, it's a night, you know, he doesn't. From the outside is a lawyer suing them. You know, it looks like one kind of animal, but when you're the animal, it's like a completely different thing. A structure you're not familiar with. You've never been ahead of an agency. It's all new to you. And you have no idea how. There's a mechanism in all these agencies that overwhelms you. He can't do this, you can't do that. When he gets outside and just starts talking normally to people in these various podcasts he does, he gets to talk about stuff that he'd love to do, but you can tell he can't do it. Here's a clip from him on a podcast talking about the chickenpox vaccine.

[Adam Curry]

When CDC was thinking of recommending this chickenpox vaccine as mandating for children, they did a study. And the scientists they hired to do that study was a scientist called Gary Goldman, a contract scientist. And he did this study in an isolated place in California called Antelope Valley, a long term study. And what they find is if you give the chickenpox vaccine, mass vaccinate with chickenpox, it stops chickenpox, but it causes shingles epidemics later on, which are 20 times as deadly as chickenpox. So if you go. Nevertheless, despite those studies we mandated for American children in this country, in Europe, they don't. If you go to the British National Health Service website right now, you can read on that where they say, we do not recommend chickenpox vaccines because it causes shingles epidemics later on. And that's the problem. You can't just look at, you know, you can say that this product is going to prevent this particular disease, but you have to look at the long term. Yeah. I mean, so. But what is it? I mean, I don't quite understand. You look at Trump, and Trump doesn't give a crap about anything. I'm gonna do this. I don't care if you don't like it. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of stuff is ineffective because the judges shut it down, the system shuts it down. He's in court a lot.

[Adam Curry]

That's annoying.

[John C. Dvorak]

The fact that he's got this Iran war thing as far as it got is pretty amazing. Yeah, I agree. But Trump is. And Trump's also on his second go round. His first go round, he was completely flustered. They had him in, you know, on this Russia hoax thing. Obama was behind.

[Adam Curry]

Had him on the hook.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, he was. He got nowhere. So. And that was four years of frustration, two impeachments. So Kennedy's just, you know, stumbled into this thing. He thinks he's gonna, you know, he discussed earlier how cool it was that he would get this job and thank God for his prayers were answered, that he could be the head of this thing and. And kick some ass. And now he's in there and he's kicking no ass, as far as I can tell. And I don't think that he's ever going to. It's gonna. It would take him to a. Four year. At least four years to. To untangle the web of deceit.

[Adam Curry]

So, as we say in Texas, like stepping in a. A red anthill, fire ants. You get in.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would be bad. Get in.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, man. There was something else that happened around Kennedy's orbit this week here in Washington.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

President Trump making a big move, dropping his controversial nominee for surgeon general after her confirmation got stalled on the Hill because of opposition from his own party, from Republicans. Here's the president in the last couple of hours, formally signing that withdrawal after months of question, questions about whether the Senate would actually confirm Dr. Casey means, she was his previous pick. Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle had criticized her for not being supportive of enough vaccines, for promoting the use of psychedelic drugs as therapy, for previously criticizing Americans use of birth control, saying it had horrifying health risks and over her qualifications generally. So she has now been pulled. The president and health secretary today are both blaming this guy, Senator Bill Cassidy capacity, a Republican for in their view sabotaging means is confirmation new pick here she is radiologist and FOX News contributor. The president says she is a star physician. We should note here this switch up central. President's third surgeon general nominee Monica Alba is at the White House. An interesting sort of, I don't know if you want to call it a back down. It feels like an acknowledgment of the reality here that Kasey Means was stuck in this limbo. And I think it seems like the president just wants to, wants to move on. Fair. What are you hearing? I think that's absolutely fair. It's been almost a year since he did nominate Kasey Means and ultimately realized that she just wasn't going to have the support, wasn't going to be able to get across the finish line for surgeon general. So he did withdraw her nomination. But you just mentioned all of the key players here and we can unpack that a little bit because Senator Cassidy had been a crucial vote in order to confirm HHS Secretary Kennedy. Right. Given the problem, promises that at the time Senator Cassidy had said he had received from him on certain policy. And then you have Kasey Means who is a very close ally of Secretary Kennedy. And Secretary Kennedy is pretty disappointed and upset today writing on X that he believes that this was basically a large attempt to get someone who has been, he says, sabotaged by removing this appointment. And technically and very clear it directly criticizes Senator Cassidy. And he says he once again did the dirty work for entrenched interests seeking to stall the Maha movement. This is what Secretary Kennedy is writing about Senator Cassidy and quote, protect the very status quo that has made America the sickest nation on earth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I agree with that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Cassidy is a bad actor.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's obviously co opted by the pharma.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And that's what he. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a doctor. So he's got creds. And he's got this comment about oh yeah, I could, you know, vaccines have saved lives. Yeah. In areas where you have like yellow fever and typhus and you have classic vaccines. Yeah, they do. They stop it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he's also all in on mRNA, which is not a vaccine at all.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know, the rest of it, it's just like. Or. And the flu shot every year, which, as we know, because we had the clips and we have the documentation that

[Adam Curry]

gives you the flu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gives you the flu. So what, you know. But he's all in on that too. This is so the corruption is beyond again. Get pharma ads off tv.

[Adam Curry]

So there's. There was a new, A new side effect of our favorite drug. Although, is it a drug? It's in. You know, they should call it a vaccine since you inject it. GLP1.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, it's a fat vaccine.

[Adam Curry]

If MRNA is a vaccine, then why

[John C. Dvorak]

it's a fat vaccine.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, a fat vaccine. So the idea is you take the GLP one, you inject it. Some people have resorted to saying, no, no, no, I'm microdosing it. Yeah, that's what it is. Of course you're micro dosing it. It's what I said. For 15 years. What? 15? Since I was 15 years old. I'm just micro dosing the weed. I'm okay, don't worry about me. So, you know, your butt falls off, your face falls in. You're doing this to look better by.

[John C. Dvorak]

By.

[Adam Curry]

By losing weight.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's that over there?

[Adam Curry]

Your muscle fade.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

LP1 drugs help millions of Americans lose weight. More and more users report dealing with side effects like hair loss. And that's creating a billion dollar opportunity for the hair treatment industry.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's an opportunity.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

It's not just a trend. I will call it all category resets with a wide space of opportunity for both life science and beauty brands. I spoke with one GLP1 user who experienced hair loss while she was on the weight loss drug. She said she used to have really thick hair, but it took a full year before she noticed it was falling out in clumps.

[Adam Curry]

In clumps. I tell you. So you want to look better by losing some weight and the result is you lose your libido, you lose your butt, you lose your face, and you lose your hair. Congratulations. You weigh five pounds. Come on, people, listen to your podcasters, not medical advice. This is a value for value podcast. Podcast. In about an hour and a half, we'll show you how fun it is to support the show because you get to send in notes and we thank you and we play stupid jingles for you and all kinds of fun stuff like that. We give you awards, we give you rings. You'll never hear any advertisements. And I want to say hello to Carol Goodman. She moved to Fredericksburg, near Fredericksburg. Gen X Georgia girl, USAF Academy grad, Air Force officer, Iraqi war veteran, Christian wife, mom, grandmother. Always hardcore conservative political news junkie. For years, that meant staying glued to Fox News and social media. But, oh, no, she was led to no agenda, and everything shifted. She feels calmer, more grounded, more intentional with how she consumes information. She says, you've helped me step away from the noise, and I'm truly grateful for it. And I've gotten my husband hooked. On a recent road trip, I put on an episode, and now we're all both. We're all in. Just today, we listened to three episodes while working outside on the ranch. You and John made hours of landscaping and gardening fly by. And that's why we say we're value for value. Support us with your time, your talent, your treasure. After all, you are not listeners. You are producers of the best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

And while you're talking about these other comp, the other competition, have you heard the new InfoWars?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know I have a little bit of inside information, but why don't you lead us down the path and I'll fill it in.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the Onion ended up winning the bid, and it was explained by some lawyers, and it makes some sense.

[Adam Curry]

Well, didn't the Onion wanted to turn it into a parody site? A parody of what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here we go. New infowars one.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, everybody. It's Tim Heidecker here. I'm broadcasting now live on the Internet. Thank you for joining me. We have major, major announcements to go through here. Lots going on. Lot of turmoil the past couple days on our road to total victory. We have just won a major battle, folks. Okay, Alex and his gang of liars and scoundrels have been cast out into the street. They have lost Infowars, Infowars.com and their various platforms. Now they have been cast out, ladies and gentlemen, and make no mistake, we will be the new infowars. Now, we gotta go through the machinations of the court, and we've had some setbacks over the past couple of days, but that is not stopping us. It is not tempering our resolve. You know, as a fake Alex Jones, that's actually not bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not bad. But then here's where I drew the line. The fake Alex Jones brings in a fake Donald Trump. And this just to preface it, the worst. I mean, there is a million people that can do Trump. Why they got this guy. This is the worst of the worst.

[Adam Curry]

Lots going on here. Do we have anybody on the line, there's. I want to say, Tim. Hello. This is the President of the United States of America. Ladies and gentlemen, we have the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, a man that I have recently been feuding with over some of his policy decisions, but a man that I believe is a good man. And he's going to find. He's going to find his way through all this. But, sir, it is a pleasure to have you on here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to have our disagreement. We're going to have our fights.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we love each other.

[Adam Curry]

And when we love, love can conquer all. Now, is this recent? This is old, isn't it? This has got to be old.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's just they're using the Infowars website.

[Adam Curry]

They're doing this now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's what I said, especially the Trump thing. That was the end. I cut it off. I'm not going to be listening to the great parodies.

[Adam Curry]

So Alex Jones signed off the Infowars on Friday at 12 o'. Clock. Everybody who's been working on the show was in the studio. I didn't clip it. You know, they were like, toasting, this is it, the end of an era. And they said goodbye to Infowars. And so I immediately texted Sir Ducifer. I'm like, dude, what's going on? He says, oh, no. Alexjoneslive.com yes, we needed to get rid of all the baggage of infowars. The name, the trademark, the domain name. So now it's just alexjoneslive.com. it's the same guy, same thing, same deal, get the same audience, same products, same dynamite products. But I'm sure. Which has always been an interesting business model, I thought, well, according to the

[John C. Dvorak]

lawyers that were doing an analysis, I don't have any clips from that. Jones was doing 36 million in pill sales.

[Adam Curry]

That wouldn't surprise me. Wouldn't surprise me. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

He also had a bunch of weird domain names he was squatting on probably 5,000 names, including. Because I looked at the list as they were going through them. Joerogenexposed.com hey, I've got a lot of winners, too.

[Adam Curry]

But, you know, I was going through my domains because I have to pare down because I have just too many. And some of them, if you get like a, you know, different dot, some things like dot FM, you don't want a dot FM dot FM. It's 150 bucks a year.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's too much.

[Adam Curry]

It's way too much. When I registered MTV.com. i emailed the dude in charge of the Internet. I said, hey, can I have mtv.com? sure, dude. You want anything else? Yeah, curry.com. elvis.com. Okay, you got them. It's good. No charge, Nothing back in the day. It was good times. Back in the Internet days.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's when Art.com sold for a million dollars.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I still have diaries, you know, I have Infowars nl.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know your diaries thing seems to

[Adam Curry]

me to be unsellable.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't get it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, on the last show I said I'd give you 200,000 if you got me a million.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then I'm working on it. I'm going to agent this thing and

[Adam Curry]

then we're going to get a net jets. We're going to the Bahamas, baby. I'm going to blow it all in one go. You deserve it. I have Infowars Nl. For some odd reason, I don't know

[John C. Dvorak]

why I would get rid of that.

[Adam Curry]

No kidding. No kidding. I have a couple of clips. I'm sorry, did you want to do something else?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I was going to do one more screwball clip.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Tucker was front page New York Times. He was interviewed by this reporter who actually turns out to be quite good at doing follow up questions with Tucker.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, like an actual reporter, an interviewer, Someone who's doing something pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

She was. She nailed this guy. I have two clips from it now. There's one that says Antichrist. And what's the other one? I don't have it on this list.

[Adam Curry]

Kidnapper, Utah. Yeah, this transgeneer. Kidnapper. Transgeneer.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it says Tucker.

[Adam Curry]

No, it says trans. Oh, hold on a second. Oh no, I have. No, I only have. Oh, Tucker on J.D. vance. Yes. Yeah, okay, got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Play that J.D. has been subject to. This is well known, but I'll just confirm it. Well, let's stop, stop it right there. He starts off about J.D. vance being, you know, they're out to get him. It's, it's. He says it's well known, but I'll confirm it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he always.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's confirming what?

[Adam Curry]

He has facts, he has inside information.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this woman does not put up with this. So let's start it over and, and note that he's trying to buffalo this poor girl and she's not buying a word of it. She sees him as a phony.

[Adam Curry]

Who is this girl? What is her name?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't have her name on.

[Adam Curry]

We gotta, we gotta keep an eye on her. She's good. She's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

JD has been subject to this is well known, but I'll just confirm it.

[Adam Curry]

Non stop treachery from people on the neoconservative side. Who are these people around Marco Rubio? And they have been totally against J.D. vance from the very beginning.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Who do you mean specifically?

[Adam Curry]

You know, I don't know is the real answer. I don't know.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

You're accusing people of treachery, so I'm wondering.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I know there's been a lot

[Adam Curry]

of treachery for sure. And I know they've been. They were so mad about J.D.

[John C. Dvorak]

getting that job.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, they.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Who's they in the White House?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't, you know, I don't know

[Adam Curry]

the answer to that. I've never worked there. So. Like, if you don't work there, you can say you, you know, you can say what you think you know, but it's hard to really know.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

This is me looking skeptical.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, no, but it's me being honest. Like I don't really know, you know. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

That.

[Adam Curry]

This is a very good clip. And the reason why is. This is how my cousin Lucy, love her dearly when she was married to Christopher Buckley, which is the son of William F. Buckley, Jr. Et cetera, et cetera.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they're not married anymore. I thought they still were.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Oh, they got divorced a long time ago. No, she left. She had the house in Georgetown. She had the 66 Corvette. I mean, everything perfect. Perfect DC family. And this is how the Beltway talks, the way Tucker talks. And he's been there most of his life, as well as Buckley, his brother, the Carlson kids. And this is how you talk at a dinner party and you just say these things and you throw out. There's a lot of. Everyone knows this and I'll confirm it. And there's a lot of these people, and it's a fact. It's just a fact. And no one in those circles will question it like this woman is. And so he's so used to just throwing that out there because someone told him, someone within the Beltway crowd who he trusts. And that's not, you know, that's. I understand that, you know, someone's connected to someone else. I must know what they're talking about. So. So he's being called out on his milieu, his million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she did a good job there. So in the next clip, he comes up with she. And she's a reporter for the New York Times. And so she reads. She reads a quote from him that is, you know, written down word for word for word. And he denies saying it. And so in the middle of this next clip, I could have divvied this up a little differently, but right in the middle of the clip, you'll hear a slight different intonation. And that's Tucker saying the quote from a, you know, from some.

[Adam Curry]

They bring in a clip on his podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. They bring in a clip of him and then they go back to Tucker still denying it. This is fascinating, what I was saying,

[Adam Curry]

which is you cannot mock other people's gods and put yourself in their place, period. That is a deal killer for me. That's worse than the war with Iran, in my opinion. Yeah.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

But I ask because, you know, you've been talking on your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist.

[Adam Curry]

I have not said that.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

On your show, the day after Easter, you noted he did not put his hand on the Bible during his swearing ceremony as president. You said, and I'm quoting, maybe he didn't put his hand on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what's inside that book. And then on a recent show, you went further, saying, here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods and exalting himself above them. Could this be the Antichrist?

[Adam Curry]

I actually did not say, could this be the Antichrist? Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods and exalting himself above them. Could this be the Antichrist? Well, who knows? I don't know where that comes from,

[John C. Dvorak]

but I know that those words never

[Adam Curry]

left my lips because I'm not sure I fully understand what the Antichrist is. If there's just one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually tried to understand it.

[Adam Curry]

I may have said some are asking that. I'm not weighing on that because I don't understand it. Wow, interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they have the exact quote that she reads and he denies it and says, those words never left my lips. And then they have, of course, they have the actual him actually saying it. This is, to me, an indictment of what a phony this guy really must be.

[Adam Curry]

Well, again, what you hear him say is, I don't really know what the Antichrist is.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then he goes on with that bullcrap.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because he says these things with such authority. And then when he's called on it, he says, well, I don't really know what the Antichrist is and if there's just one or many of them. And revelation, Personally, I find his so called knowledge of scripture extremely annoying because he does that all the time. Well, the Bible says, I'm Christian. I'm Christian is how we do it. So. But on the other hand, I know that people have accused me of saying things like, I didn't say that. And then I go back and listen like, oh, crap, I did kind of say that. So. But.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but. But that's. But that's different than someone, a reporter confronting you with an exact quote. Yeah, she says it was quoted. She. I'm quoting you. And they read the quote. At that point, would you deny it?

[Adam Curry]

No, I'd be like, what? I said that I must have been high. I'd do something different than what Tucker did. It never left my lips. Now, it's possible that he was possessed and it wasn't his lips at the words left from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was the demon, that damn demon that scratched him. Enemy.

[Adam Curry]

That's. That's where I'd go with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, okay, if he does that, then I'll be backing off.

[Adam Curry]

I'd give him. I'd give him a pass for that. But. All right, over to General Patton on the down low. I've changed it. I kept hearing myself say, gay General Patton. I didn't like it that much. I like General Patton on the down low. Our treasurer, Secretary Scott Besant, and he had this. He was on Kudlow show, which is pretty insufferable usually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Kudlow. Kudlow always seems to be in the bag, too.

[Adam Curry]

She's in the bag for everything. He just doesn't. He's almost like a. Like a Kramer, you know, he's just a Fox version of Kramer. But I like this because we got a little bit more of a timeline from Besant, and I have a couple clips here. Three clips. He was on for a half an hour. It was really good. When it comes to the coordination of Operation Epic Fury and Operation Economic Fury, all right. Operation Economic Fury is helping to win the war. Coming from the Treasury Department, we welcome back Treasury Secretary, Mr. Scott Bessen. Mr. Secretary, thank you for this. I know you're a very busy chap, but, you know, your. Your Economic Fury is doing a lot, and it's sort of offshore bank accounts and shipping issues, and I love this. The teapot refiners off the coast of China. Can you just tell us a little more about this? Because I think this is going to be very powerful stuff. Stuff and is already having an impact. Larry, good to be with you. And to be clear, the president gave the operation gave the order for Max Pressure campaign more than a year ago. He gave it to me and treasury last March. It was that pressure that brought the Iranian economy to a standstill in December. That led to the, led to the protest. The largest bank in Iran collapsed. The central bank had to monetize the debt and that created massive inflation. Their currency is down about 60 or 70% versus the US dollar. So they're in the middle of a currency crisis. And what we're doing now is, you know, we've been in a long race and we are sprinting for the finish line. President Trump told me three weeks ago ago to the up the pressure again. And we have gone to the buyers of Iranian oil and told them that we are going, we are willing to do secondary sanctions. What you don't hear General Patton on the down low say is Bibi Netanyahu called me and said, hey, I got a plan. No, this was well thought out. And they even thought out. And I guess war game, the whole riots like this will get people to the streets when their money's not worth anything and they can't buy anything. And that was over a year ago. Now, the second clip here is a little disappointing because they talk about crypto and it's very unclear whether, is it Bitcoin, is it Ethereum, is it Stablecoin? I'm pretty sure it's mainly Stablecoin, which also shows you how they will be willing to use stablecoin in the future. But it all fund falls under the heading of crypto seizing assets, are you not? That's right, Larry. We were able to grab about 350 million crypto assets and then on top of another hundred that we had recently gotten. So we're almost at half a billion there. And we are, we are freezing bank accounts everywhere. More importantly, we are making people less willing to deal with the regime. And then so it's the economic fury along with the blockade because now the, the port at Carg island is at a virtual standstill in terms of loadings. We think that the Iranian storage will be full soon. They'll have to start capping in their wells, which will lead to permanent problems. And you know, again, the regime won't be able to pay their soldiers. And equally important, Larry, is they won't be able to fund their proxies, whether it's Hezbollah, Hamas, around the world. Because one of President Trump's goals in this was to stop Iran's ability to project terrorist power around the world. Iran was the largest sponsor of state terrorism around the world. They've been killing Americans for the past 47 years. And that's coming to A stop now. All right, so, okay, crypto. But this final clip, this, I think, shows the genius of what Besant was doing. And remember, this guy worked for Soros. He knows how the system works. He knows how the money flows. He understands finance. Finance. And this is how they decided to break up opec. Two more things, sir. I know you're a busy chap. One is I kind of love what you did with the uae. You gave them dollar swap lines. They weren't in trouble, but they're part of the dollar group now, not the yuan or the petro yuan group. And they're leaving opec. They. They can produce a couple million barrels more per day, from maybe two, two and a half million to as much as five million. The UAE has chosen to side with the United States in the dollar bloc. I think that's most significant. Whatever you did, whatever you have up your sleeve, Mr. Besson, I think is a pretty clever play. Look, the UAE and several other other Gulf countries and some of our Asian allies have requested swap lines. And to be clear, Larry, that a swap line is not a bailout, that it is just a swap for US Dollars for the local currency at a fixed price. It is either done from the Fed or Treasury to the central bank. It is the ironclad credit. Know these are some of the most liquid countries in the world. And they just asked for the swap line as another layer of prevention and safety. So we are happy to support our allies during this time. And this is when, during a conflict, we stand by them and we show our support both militarily and economically. And they. The UAE has made the decision to get out of opec, which is why I'm confident that once we get on the other side of this conflict, that we will see oil prices and gasoline prices lower than they were when the conflict began. And if you look at the forward crude market, it's telling you the same thing. I mean, they basically chosen free markets over price controls. And my guess, I don't know, Venezuela, Ecuador, Nigeria, they may follow suit. The Abraham Accords may go a lot better. The dollar system, you've always been a strong dollar guy. That's why I think this is a great move. I'm not sure people understand just how important this UAE thing is, but I wanted to highlight it. I agree with Kudlow. I think this is a great move. And you watch, you watch ships going straight to uae. They're all in the dollar system. Stay in the dollar. You don't want that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's why those clips kind of since they talk about Iranian oil going to China have a China clip on this. I think it's an odd clip because they're warning the Chinese public for saying, I don't know what the public's got to do with this, but play the China using Iran oil clip.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

China is instructing its citizens not to comply with new U.S. sanctions on Chinese oil refiners after the U.S. said the five oil refiners were buying Iranian oil.

[Adam Curry]

NPR's Emily Feng reports.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

China's Commerce Ministry said for the sake of national security, the US Sanctions would not be enforced. Before the war, most of Iran's oil ended up at small private refineries in China, ferried there by a so called shadow fleet of ships which the US has also begun sanctioning. And that oil trade, the US Says provided Iran's regime with much needed cash. US sanctions means those oil refineries in China will not be able to use the US dollar to do business or buy international insur. Or dock at Western ports. But China settles most of its purchases with Iran in Chinese renminbi in today's announcement that it will not recognize these American sanctions is a clear signal to ships carrying Iranian oil that the Chinese refiners would still be happy to receive their cargo. Emily Fang, NPR News.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm. I mean, if, if Iran is receiving remnant B, what are they going to do with it? What are you going to buy with that? Where do you, I mean, if you

[John C. Dvorak]

want some food, buy Chinese.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, yeah, that's about it. Why even bother with the money part? Just ship some missiles over. Oh, because that's not that easy. Nah, nah, the shadow fleet is real, that's for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

You ever look at a world map of all the oil tankers in the ocean at one time?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's, it's like, it's like millions. I don't buy millions. But there's a lot of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's thousands.

[Adam Curry]

Hundreds, I'd say hundreds.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think there's at least a thousand. I think there's.

[Adam Curry]

What are you eating?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm having a lozenge.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. All right, Valid. So, I don't know, I, I think that we've got OPEC falling apart. You've got uae, like, hey, we want to pump more, we want more, we want to do, we're, we're buddies. We want to be in the dollar. We can do 5 million barrels. Then Saudi Arabia goes, hey, we can do that. We want to do some more oil and then more oil. More oil, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Once they all get, they all take, they have to get the bug.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Then you won't even need, you won't even need Iranian oil. It's like, bad. We got enough of this stuff. It's good. Yeah, I can see it now. Of course, we have some issues with the war, or should we say it's a military operation? I'm not sure if we call it a war. Military operation. Is it a war?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what it's called anymore. Just an embargo.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

You say that you're not actively at war. Here is what President Trump had to say on Friday. I want to play it for you, get your reaction on the other side.

[Adam Curry]

This is from this morning Meet the Press with Todd Blanche. They don't like the word war and they call it a military operation because that way you don't have a war, you don't have legal problems.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Is the president effectively arguing if you

[Adam Curry]

don't call it a war, you don't have legal problems. He's talking about the War Powers Resolution.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, right. Because that way you don't have a

[Adam Curry]

war, you don't have legal problems.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Is the president effectively arguing that he can avoid congressional approval by avoiding using the word war?

[Adam Curry]

He's not effectively arguing anything except that he is trying to keep this country safe. Oh, okay. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, Todd Blanche, there's a good yes man.

[Adam Curry]

Let's go to NBC.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

The war is now 60 days old, an important marker. A 1973 law requires the president to end military conflicts unless the commander in chief gets congressional approval to continue. The administration says the ongoing ceasefire paused that 60 day clock. Republican leadership agrees. But Democrats and some Republicans say it's time Congress gets involved. One GOP lawmaker says she plans to introduce an authorization for use of military force, aumf, when the Senate returns. The president should have come to Congress before engaging in military action at this scale that we're seeing now. And that regrettably did not happen. Iran essentially shut down the Strait of Hormuz when fighting started. Now a new memo seen by NBC News shows the administration launching a new effort to get allies to reopen the waterway and get oil tankers moving. This as American drivers face surging gas prices with the average cost of a gallon now $4.39. But in many parts of the country, country, it's even higher.

[John C. Dvorak]

619. I'm not touching it.

[Adam Curry]

Around 40, 50 bucks to fill my tank. But now it's from to empty. It's 80 to $90.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

That's forced drivers to find alternative ways of getting around.

[Adam Curry]

I just got a monthly bus pass

[John C. Dvorak]

kind of putting in that calculation of

[Adam Curry]

how much this thing costs and how much it costs to drive every day. It just makes so much more sense as a college student just to do this.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

President Trump says he doesn't need concrete congressional approval for the war. And letters to Congress today, he says the hostilities that began on February 28th terminated the day the ceasefire began last month. But he did not address the naval blockade on Iranian ports.

[Adam Curry]

That's not war, that's just a blockade. Come on. Congress is flummoxed by this. Like, no one ever did this. No one ever called it something else. Oh, wait a minute, Blanche, Blanche.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Republican Senator Susan Collins posted, quote, the President's authority as commander and chairman chief is not without limits. That deadline is not a suggestion, it is a requirement. Are there any legal limits on the President's powers to carry out the war with Iran?

[Adam Curry]

We suggesting that President Trump or this administration or the Department of War is violating the law is just completely wrong. It's not appropriate to say that we are not, we are complying with the law. Oh, man, he is a yes man. Don't answer the question. Just say it's inappropriate. It's wrong.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Axios reports per source, as the plan set a one month deadline line for negotiations on a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, end the US Naval blockade and permanently end the war in Iran and in Lebanon, per the Iranian proposal. Only after such a deal is reached, another month of negotiations would be launched to try and reach a deal on the nuclear program. The two sources said the President is leaving the door open for more strikes if a deal is not reached.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we continue. This will go on. It'll be another month at least. And abc, well, maybe, maybe if we just tell him that his numbers suck.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

And in this new ABC News Washington Post Ipsos poll, Trump is underwater. On underwater issue. They tested with 2/3 of Americans saying

[Adam Curry]

what if you're underwater? What is the, what is the baseline for Underwater?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think 50%.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Okay, country is headed in the wrong direction. But that being said, his baseline is still with him. 85% of Republicans approve. But look closer. The share who strongly approve has dropped to 45%. And that is the lowest among Republicans across both of his terms. Then if we dig into the issues that's driving this. About three quarters of Americans disapprove of how Trump is handling the cost of living. Roughly 2/3 disapprove on the economy, the issue that Trump campaigned on. And a majority authorities say using Military force against Iran was a mistake.

[Adam Curry]

Gio, mistake.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speak.

[Adam Curry]

Mistake. It's a big mistake. It's a big mistake. And of course the President, the President Ducey, he must have tea with the President all the time, don't you think?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's definitely the number one go to guy for the press corps.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah. I mean he gets the questions ahead of time and then, and I'm sure it's like make it sound good. Good. Doocy, yesterday, was he briefing you on a different approach? Options? What kind of options? How would it look? Different options?

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, do we want to go

[Adam Curry]

and just blast the hell out of

[John C. Dvorak]

them and finish him forever or do we want to try and make a deal? I mean, those are the options.

[Adam Curry]

Do you want to go blast the hell out of him?

[John C. Dvorak]

On a human basis, I prefer not, but that's the option. Do we want to go in there heavy and just blast them away or do we want to do something? They're a very disjointed leadership, as you can understand, Peter. Very disjointed. I mean they, they're not getting along

[Adam Curry]

with each other and it puts us

[John C. Dvorak]

in a bad position.

[Adam Curry]

One group wants to make a certain deal, the other group wants to make a certain deal. Including the hardliners. The hardliners want to make a deal too. Why, why wouldn't they? They have no navy, they have no air force, they have no anti aircraft, they have, they have no nothing. Something about a New Yorker saying they have no nothing. It's just great. They have no nothing. But on the way back, when we're done with Iran, which I think will probably be in about 45 days, when we're done with Iran, we're going to swing by Cuba.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you, Dan.

[Adam Curry]

Good job. An architect who's really talented has done

[John C. Dvorak]

a lot of work for him.

[Adam Curry]

He's got a flair, a beautiful Hispanic flair in particular. And he comes from originally a place called Cuba. Cuba, which we will be taking over almost immediately. No, Cuba's, Cuba's got problems. We'll finish one first.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like to finish a job on

[Adam Curry]

the way back from, from what we'll do on the way back from Iran,

[John C. Dvorak]

we'll have one of our big, maybe

[Adam Curry]

the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier, the biggest in the world. We'll have that come in, stop about 100 yards offshore and they'll say, thank you very much, we give up. People get so disjointed over these jokes. Seriously, I see it in the troll room. He's laughing about murdering people. Get a grip on your. On your pearls. And this was a gem about Elon Omaha. Ah, this is your president in true stand up form.

[John C. Dvorak]

But JD's done a great job.

[Adam Curry]

Thousands and thousands of people are.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a fraud.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, look at the wonderful country. It's a beautiful country. You should try it sometime. Somalia, it's a beautiful place. It's got no government, it's got no military, it's got no anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's got one thing that's really strong.

[Adam Curry]

Crime. It's got a lot of crime.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have no police.

[Adam Curry]

All they do is run around shooting each other. It's filthy, dirty, disgusting, dirty. It's a horrible place. They come here and Ilhan Omar, you ever hear of it? Very popular.

[John C. Dvorak]

Heads it.

[Adam Curry]

And think of it, they have nothing but crime, poverty, pollution. Everything is horrible over there. Nothing good. They say it's the worst country anywhere

[John C. Dvorak]

in the world, that we got some beauties out there, but it's the worst.

[Adam Curry]

And then she comes here from Somalia

[John C. Dvorak]

and she tells us how to run the United States of America.

[Adam Curry]

She says. She says the Constitution gives me certain rights. Gives me certain rights. And I demand that I be given these rights.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get the hell out.

[Adam Curry]

What up, phony? And then she married a brother to come in. I don't know, you know, you know, but I think I would imagine that looking at her, I have nothing to do with it, I would imagine. Of course, I have nothing to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have nothing.

[Adam Curry]

But I believe she married her brother,

[John C. Dvorak]

which is totally illegal.

[Adam Curry]

Although it's a lovely couple, actually. But it's a little bit on the illegal side.

[John C. Dvorak]

Darling, I love you very much.

[Adam Curry]

Good night, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's go to bed. Isn't she despicable?

[Adam Curry]

I can't stand watching. I'm gonna miss him. I'm gonna miss him. Yeah. I think it's funny so many people get so upset about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. This was. It's unexpected, you know?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody knows what to make of it.

[Adam Curry]

It's okay if you're upset about it, and I'm okay with that, and I'm okay with you being upset about it, but not if you're on SSRIs. Okay. Okay. Just make sure. If you're on SSRIs and you're upset about it, your meds ain't working. Okay? You got to get different meds.

[John C. Dvorak]

So on the topic of Iran, I might as well get this out of the way. The smuggling of the. Of the satellite receivers going on right now is kind of a topic of discussion. This is Iran, Internet smuggling, NPR A

[Reporter / Correspondent]

network of Iranians have been smuggling Starlink satellite terminals into the technology is the most common way of bypassing the Internet blackout in Iran, one of the longest in history. Our reporter Reha Khansara has more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Iranian regime has proven that during the

[Adam Curry]

shutdown, they can kill. It is crucial for Iranians to be

[John C. Dvorak]

able to portray the real picture of

[Adam Curry]

the situation on the ground.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

I'm speaking to an Iranian man who is part of a clandestine network dotted across the globe, helping to smuggle Starlink terminals into Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plus, we want to make sure that

[Adam Curry]

whatever gets out of the country is

[John C. Dvorak]

not being manipulated by the Iranian regime's narrative.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

What he's doing is putting a lot of people inside the country, including his family, in danger. He only agreed to speak to me on the condition that I do not reveal his real identity.

[Adam Curry]

We purchase Starlinks and smuggle them through the borders. It's a very complex operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not going to give you the exact number, but we have sent over

[Adam Curry]

a dozen, and we are actively looking for other ways to smuggle in more.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

The satellite technology, which helps people connect to the Internet, has become a vital communications lifeline for tens of thousands of people in Iran. For more than two months, they've been in a digital black hole. It was triggered by the ongoing war with Israel and the U.S. the Iranian government said they shut down the Internet because of security concerns. It's one of the longest nationwide Internet shutdowns in the world to be recorded. 90 million people have been cut off from access to their loved ones, their livelihoods, and the news.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think this is entirely true anymore anymore. Commercial flights, I've heard, have resumed from Tehran. Phones seem to be working. And I hope on May 11, which I think is Monday, I'm going to have dinner with Lex and his wife, who has all her family in Tehran. And I'll get some more boots on the ground. But I don't think it's quite that bad as portrayed here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here, it could be not as bad as portrayed, but they. I. I think it's interesting that Musk's system has become such a. Interesting kind of a proposition for people that need to get Internet access without going through channels.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is the Internet in a suitcase, remember?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a little more than that, I think.

[Adam Curry]

No, I mean the Internet in a suitcase. That was. That was the whole.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was pre Starlink.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oh, no, it was definitely pre. Let's see, here's Lucifer.

[John C. Dvorak]

I get a lot of invitations to speak these days.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that was the kid that was that kid who was working at the State Department who later had to leave. He was the Internet in a suitcase. But I have one Musk sent out, had some bonus deal because I have the Starlink as a backup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. I thought you had it hooked up.

[Adam Curry]

No, I have Starlink hooked up, but that's a pretty big dish. And then he said, for $5 a month without. If you don't hook it up, we'll just charge you five bucks a month. You get the mini portable one, which is really tiny.

[John C. Dvorak]

How tiny?

[Adam Curry]

It would fit in a briefcase.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole thing is the dimensions of the dish.

[Adam Curry]

I have to get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not even a dish, actually, just a flat table.

[Adam Curry]

I'll play your second clip and I'll get it out of the closet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, play the second.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

But it's not the first time this year that the Internet has been switched off. In January, the country was plunged into darkness during a deadly crackdown on protests. Media organizations, including the BBC relied on a drip feed of information from inside the country, a lot of which was shared on social media, using Starlink Internet to verify and document atrocities committed by the authorities. Marwa Fatafta from digital rights group Access now says the blackout helps the government conceal what's happening inside the country. In times of crisis, this is not only an attack on freedom of expression, press freedom, or access to information. It's a matter of survival. Shutdowns inflict serious physical, psychological and economic harms on people and they shatter a society's ability to preserve and withstand hardships. And no matter what the justification may be for government to kill the switch, communications blackouts are a clear violation of human rights and they can never be justified. Multiple arrests have been made of Iranians importing, procuring, selling and buying Starlink. Many have been accused of espionage. Roya Borramand from the Borman center for Human Rights says since the regime came into power in 1979, it's always sought to to conceal information. Only its methods have changed. Iran has denied citizens right to seek, receive and impart information for decades. But in the face of internal calls for regime change and external military attacks, it has escalated the hunt and the

[Adam Curry]

arrest of citizens who circumvent censorship using Starlink devices. It's about the size of an iPad. Oh, and it weighs 1 kilo.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a 2 pound iPad.

[Adam Curry]

It's a slab, but yeah, that's it. It's like an iPad pro.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's just a flat panel.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, yeah, it's. Let me see the depth here. The depth is about an inch and a half. Oh, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I guess it gives enough room.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So it's, it's small. I mean, it's, it's, it's an. You could put it in your pants. You could smuggle it in your pants. Yeah, it's fantastic. That's the only. I mean, you can't hate the guy for that. That Starlink stuff is. Although he doesn't do reverse DNS, which is a real problem. That's kind of wonky network wise.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of why you fix that later.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of nerds complain about that. Like, you don't have reverse DNS things. Not everything's going to work well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, one of the problems you have with all these, all this gear is that in the uk, for example, you know, they have these, these roving vans with the big dish on the roof looking for people with illegal TVs.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the

[Adam Curry]

big dish. It's a small dish. I've seen them. It's not.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was a big dish.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no. It's a small dish.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they look for the illegal TVs because you have to have a license in the UK to watch television, which is ludicrous.

[Adam Curry]

But okay. It's their system.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, they have a king.

[Adam Curry]

They have a king. Let them.

[John C. Dvorak]

No kings.

[Adam Curry]

No kings, man.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

It's unclear when the Internet will be restored, but a government spokesperson has said once the situation returns to normal, so will Internet access. The smuggler and others like him will continue to fight for vital information to get in and out of Iran until restrictions are lifted.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think people in the world should hear the real voice of Iranians. This is our goal and we will

[Adam Curry]

continue working towards it. Yeah. End, End. End. Okay, well, I'll find out more next week or the week after. Tuesday the 11th. Hopefully we'll find out more.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

More.

[Adam Curry]

Find out more. Let's see. Let's do a little Little big tech AI news. Always fun. Little big tech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, AI News.

[Adam Curry]

AI news. Yes. Everyone's joining in now. Everyone's. We're good. Hey, man, we're good. You can use our stuff. Let's do war with our stuff because it's so solid.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Alphabet's Google has reportedly joined a list of tech firms to sign a deal with the US Department of Defense. It's to use its AI models for classified work. The information reported the deal on Tuesday, citing a person familiar with the matter. It added the agreement allows the Pentagon to use Google's AI for any lawful government purpose and puts it alongside OpenAI and Elon Musk's XAI, which also have deals to supply AI models for classified use. Classified networks are used to handle a wide range of sensitive work. They include mission planning and weapons targeting. Reuters couldn't verify the report. The Pentagon signed agreements worth up to $200 million each with major AI labs last year, including Anthropic, OpenAI and Google. Reuters had earlier reported the Pentagon wanted top AI companies to make their tools available on classified networks without the standard restrictions they apply to users. The information reported. Google's agreement requires it to help in adjusting the company's AI safety settings and filters. At the government's request. Alphabet and the US Department of Defense, which has now been renamed the Department of War by President Trump, didn't immediately respond to requests for comment. Google said it supports government agencies across both classified and non classified projects, and added it was committed to the the consensus AI shouldn't be used for domestic mass surveillance or autonomous weaponry without appropriate human oversight. The Pentagon has said it has no interest in using AI to conduct mass surveillance of Americans or to develop weapons that operate without human involvement, but wants any lawful use of AI to be allowed.

[Adam Curry]

I like the we don't need your AI for mass surveillance.

[John C. Dvorak]

We just, we got the old way, old fashioned.

[Adam Curry]

Buy it from Google. We don't need to spend money on you guys for that. That yeah, that's stuff. I have to say that for certain things this stuff is really, really impressive. Although Dave Jones over there at Podcast Index, he and I have been doing comparisons and if you use Claude code with Opus 4.7, which will cost, if you want to get anything done, $100 a month if you really are using it a lot, $200 a month, which is a lot of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money.

[Adam Curry]

He's using PI PI PI.dev which is an agentic thing and you can connect that to any large language model. And he has at his, at his job he has a $3,500 machine, I forget what he calls it, but it has all the RAM and everything in it that you need. And he's running Quen 3.6 35 billion parameters. It is equal equal to Claude Code with Anthropic's Opus 4.7 except you don't have to pay a subscription. You got to shell out some money up front. So when you hear the next clip, these guys are going to run into trouble. Some or the investors will run into trouble somewhere down the road.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

And it's been a tough week for OpenAI. Reports of missing key target Targets Sam Altman on trial against Elon Musk. And now rival Anthropic's business may have caught up. Kate Rooney has more in tech check. Hi, Kate. Hi, Kelly. So that's what we're hearing. I am hearing that Anthropic right now is in talks to raise another round of capital. If it does go forward as planned, it could value this giant at as much as $900 billion. This is according to a source familiar. Familiar with those deal talks. Kelly. No term sheets have been signed. From what I'm told, discussions are still ongoing. And Anthropic did decline to comment. But this would be more than double the company's last valuation in private markets and then put it ahead of rival Open Air, which was last worth around $850 billion. That was after its record fundraise earlier this year. Does come as both of these giants look to go public as soon as the end of this year, according to. According to sources could depend on market conditions. But Anthropics exploding revenue growth has been the main reason that investors have been lining up to back them. So Anthropic's last reported run rate was around $30 billion. Sources now tell me that is closer to 35 billion. It would be up from 10 billion just last year. So cloud code has been the major revenue driver here for this company. Also, a lot of intrigue around Mythos. This, of course, is the cybersecurity model. Gotten a lot of buzz. It is now only available to a slight group of companies, but it's really added to the allure for investors when we talk about the potential power of these models. In the last hour, though, Anthropic did make another move in the cybersecurity space. It launched cloud security. This is just for enterprise customers. Company says it's going to be giving security teams a way to find vulnerabilities. Hundreds of organizations, they say, have already used it, but it is not mythical. This is a model that's already publicly available. Kelly.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is not going to end well. There's too much money and no money coming that makes you think that. I can do math. I can calculate. This is not going to work out. Well, maybe after the midterms. Something's got to. I mean, how much longer can these guys delay their ipo? They have to come out soon.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it has to be sooner than later.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Do you think it'll be before the midterms?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it may be before the midterms, but it's not going to. The collapse won't be before the midterms.

[Adam Curry]

Will the collapse be in 2027, you think? Early 2027?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's gotta be next year.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It's gonna be so, so amazing to watch. I mean, it'll suck, but it's not

[John C. Dvorak]

gonna be good for the donations to the show.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Enough trouble.

[Adam Curry]

Could it get any worse? All right, now the people who clearly are going to lose out are Hollywood. Hollywood is just struggling. They are struggling to hold on. And the Oscars who are going to

[John C. Dvorak]

YouTube, they put their foot down.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they did. Artificial intelligence could revolutionize the film industry, but it won't be winning any Oscars. New rules set up by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences on Friday stated that in the acting category, only roles credited in the film's legal billing and demonstrably performed by humans with their consent will be considered eligible. The new rules also say screenplays must be human authored to be eligible. They come hot on the heels of the unveiling of an AI version of the deceased film star Val Kilmer at CinemaCon, a yearly event that showcases new

[John C. Dvorak]

films for cinema owners.

[Adam Curry]

The producer of the film called as Deep as the Grave, explained, we do take archival footage, pictures and. And voice recordings to build a character, and from there we have to integrate that character into what we already filmed. We're making a bold claim, bold statement, which is that we believe we're doing this in an ethical way, that the director of the film was at pains to reassure both actors and the wider film community. Actors are not going to be replaced, and we're going to make sure that that doesn't happen. And that really comes down to the entire community coming together to help set these guidelines and guardrails for everybody so we can follow structure because the technology is going to be here no matter what we do. The Academy declined to comment on if Val Kilmer's AI rendered performance would be eligible for a an Oscar, saying that eligibility would be reviewed on a case by case basis. I think we should make a pact. You know, if I die before you, I fully endorse recreating me with A.I.

[John C. Dvorak]

okay, you're done.

[Adam Curry]

Tourette's and all. Make sure it's all in there. Make sure it's accurate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Darren can do it.

[Adam Curry]

He's prompting as we speak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Darren's got all these little. He doesn't get it. Doesn't get a lot of play. But I've been reposting the little animations he's been doing. Pretty.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, with the girls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pretty dynamite.

[Adam Curry]

The girls, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Always some girl. He's Got a cartoon version now which was pretty decent. Although for some reason the no Agenda shirt on one girl turned from black to green right in the middle of the animation. Oh, well, how does that happen?

[Adam Curry]

You can't iterate. It's. Once it's done, you got to accept it or reprompt and you'll get a whole new version.

[John C. Dvorak]

You must just go with it, you know. But yeah, the Val Kilmer thing is one. But. But Star wars had a. Or it was either Star wars or an old Star Trek movie had some. There was a dead actor, but they had to bring him into. This was years ago. They had to bring in a kind of a model of him because he was necessary for the storyline. Yeah. And he wasn't even alive. And they put it in. Nobody talked much about it. They.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's great. And then there was the movie, the Scorsese movie where they had De Niro and all these people 20 years younger. Ages are younger.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're all, you know, basically masked.

[Adam Curry]

No, but this. But this is about money. It's just about money, you know. I say now as I speak, you may recreate me when I'm gone and make money off of me, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, we'll see what happens with this. Curry Estate.

[Adam Curry]

Curry Estate, yeah, the Courier State. We're pissed off. Okay, here's SAG AFTRA to round this out. They looks like they. This is the writers and the Screen Actors Guild. But not everybody's here. I don't think the Directors Guild is. Yes. Is set yet. We are following developing news now. SAG AFTRA has reached a tentative agreement with a major husband Hollywood studios, avoiding a repeat of the strikes from just three years ago.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

NBC4's Macy Jenkins is live outside DC.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, the Troll Room is asking, can we do it now? Well, under. I'd have to approve it now. If you can do it now, we can split the process.

[John C. Dvorak]

It won't be as good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if it is, it won't be as good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

AG after headquarters in Mid Wilshire. Macy. Hi. Kathy and John. Jonathan. Well, listen, we will not know what's in that agreement until the SAG national board has a chance to review it. One of the biggest issues, just like it was three years ago, protections against AI which is getting smarter and more advanced.

[Adam Curry]

Smarter.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

This cinematic showdown between Hollywood A listers Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise drew millions of views on social media earlier this year and hardware critiques. Because this is completely AI generated.

[Adam Curry]

They're taking the likeness of major performers like Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, and they're just able to replicate it in seconds.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

It's a major concern for SAG AFTRA actors like Chuck Slavin, one he hopes is addressed in the tentative agreement for each Saturday between SAG and the amptp, the alliance of motion picture and television producers.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have to tell you, I'm a little concerned overall. I think the future is rapidly changing and I think that we certainly need to protect IM likeness when it comes to AI. We need to ensure that members get royalties and residuals on the work that they're doing. Scanning is a major threat.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

A tentative deal avoids a repeat of 2023, when SAG AFTRA's 160,000 plus members went on strike for four months demanding fair pay and protections against AI stealing their livelihood. It comes just one month after the Writers Guild of America reached a four year deal with the AMP PTP. Historically, these contracts have been three year deals, but in exchange for adding the fourth year in the WGA's recent agreement, the union received a $321 million infusion into its health fund.

[Adam Curry]

Looking at how fast technology is advancing, a four year deal locks us into a disadvantage. Yeah. So you all considered home being sick. Well, that's great. Now Hollywood loses. They lose, lose. They lose. That's just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you gotta lose for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they've already kind of lost. I mean, they have no stories. Everything is a sequel. What is it? What is the new sequel coming out? Something. Another new sequel. Everything's a sequel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, everything.

[Adam Curry]

They.

[John C. Dvorak]

They ran out of ideas.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. No idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

How did that happen? How did that happen? Let me ask you, how did that happen? It's never happened before. They were making movies back in the, the silent era, in the 20s and the 30s. There were all kinds of great movies that 40s, great movies, 50s great movies. 60s and 70s, especially the 70s, tremendous films. What happened?

[Adam Curry]

Too many movies being made. There's not enough. Not enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not doing them. I wouldn't say there's a ton of them being made now, are there?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, I think there's a short. They're going straight to Netflix in eight, you know, mini movies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[Adam Curry]

That's where.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tons of crappy movies on Netflix.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Where it's. It should be an hour and a half movie and they turn into eight hours and call it a series. And then if it gets enough, then they'll do it, you know, they'll do another series. Yeah, that's. It won't we're due for another Blair Witch Project, one of those deals. Some kids come along and do something that blows everybody away dirt cheap. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's gonna happen. What do you make of the. The. This Epstein suicide note?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's a clip.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, hold on a second. Here we go. I got it.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

New tonight, did accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein write a suicide note before attempting to take his own life? The New York Times reporting that a note may exist and is being held under seal by a federal judge. Epstein allegedly writing, it's time to say goodbye. According to this man, convicted murderer Nicholas Tartaglione, a former NYPD officer who shared a cell with Epstein in 2019. Tartaglion said so something similar in a

[Adam Curry]

podcast last year, Jeffrey Epstein wrote a suicide note.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

He says he discovered the note after Epstein's apparent suicide attempt, weeks before his actual death.

[Adam Curry]

It was in my book. Yeah. When I got back into the cell, I opened my book to read, and there it was. Tartaglion adding it said something like, FBI, you know, looked into me for months and found nothing.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

NBC News has not seen the note, and the Time Times says it has not either. In a statement, the DOJ says it is hard to comment on a note it has not seen, adding the department underwent an exhaustive effort to collect all records. Epstein's death, which the medical examiner's office declared a suicide, has been the subject of intense scrutiny, with many speculating without proof that Epstein was murdered, a suicide note could potentially dispel the conspiracy. The New York Times is asking the federal court to unseal the alleged suicide note, which is caught up in Tartaglion's legal proceeding. The Times arguing he talked about the note in that podcast. And public interest in Epstein is immense.

[Adam Curry]

I got an interview with Steve Eater. He's the one of the reporters on the byline for that story about the note. He was on cnn. Listen to this.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Now, the Times reports that the alleged suicide note was sealed by a federal judge as part of the cellmate's criminal case. My source on this tonight is on the byline of this story, the investigative reporter for the New York Times, Steve Eater. And thank you, sir, for being here, because I want to start with how this possible note was recovered. The cellmate apparently says he found the note in his cell, tucked into a graphic novel. How did it end up locked away by a judge?

[Adam Curry]

What's a graphic novel? Is that a novel? Is that a comic book?

[John C. Dvorak]

Comic book.

[Adam Curry]

Comic book, yeah. It takes a circuitous path, I guess, to being locked away From a judge. But basically, the short of it is, is that the cellmate says that he discovered the note, you know, in the days after Epstein was found injured in his cell. Right. And he turned it over to his lawyers. His lawyers, apparently, according to a document that we reviewed, tried to authenticate it, weren't able to right away, and then it ended up being moved over to his criminal case, not the Epstein case, but this other case that was playing out kind of parallel and ended up sort of sequestered from the Epstein proceedings in this whole other separate case for years now. And in that case, the judge put the letter, this purported note, under seal. If you're interested, I have another clip that explains the process of how it got under seal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, please.

[Adam Curry]

Before we get to the contents of the note and what it might mean, why is it locked up in a courthouse? Like, why wasn't it released as part of the Epstein document? Yes. So even before that. John, good morning to you. I think it's important to discuss whether it's authentic or not. I want to get to that, but just tell me why it's locked up. So what happened is, is that it was under seal. And apparently judges have vast discretion with respect to whether they're putting something under seal, which means it's not in the public's view, it's not in the court records. If you go. And right now, we have a system in federal court, state court, where you can literally go into the docket and look at a variety of materials. Well, there are some materials that are sensitive that are not going to be in that docket because a judge in that judge is. A scratching will seal it. That's what they did here. Remember, this involves Tartaglion. Who's he? He's a person who was convicted. He was Jeffrey Epstein's cellmate, and he ultimately was convicted for four. Yes, four. Quadruple murder. And as a result of that, in them sharing a cell, he purportedly. That is, Mr. Tartaglion found the note, reported it to his lawyers. He had about 18 of them, by the way, over the course of time. And they got involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

The lawyers did.

[Adam Curry]

With respect. Hey, what should we do with the note? How do we authenticate the note? Should we put the note on the seal? It became the subject of a lot of controversy. The attorneys argued it was attorney client privilege incident to their communications and them seeking advice. And will Jeffrey Epstein claim that I actually, Tartaglion, his cellmate, killed him or tried to kill him. And so what do we do? And so the judge ultimately said, it's going to be away from public view. It's going to be in a vault in the federal courthouse. And it has remained there for all this time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Basically a judge has it under his

[Adam Curry]

purview right now, involved in a separate case, which is why it was not part of the Epstein files per se. And the source here, this is from a cellmate to charged with four murders, quadruple murder, who said he found the note and is the only person we know so far to tell us what was on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time to say goodbye.

[Adam Curry]

So the credibility of the source. Yeah, John, I think that's important to talk about. And at the time he was being charged, now he's convicted and he's serving these four life sentences. And so you have to question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

What we call the veracity. Is it something that we could credit the fact that he said it, that I found that this note, it said time to say goodbye. It had a smiley face. What am I going to do now? Burst out in tears. They found nothing. Meaning indicating what was on that particular note. Well, I don't think this means very much. It's interesting though how that happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's kind of fascinating. I guess I didn't realize it so easy to ditch stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. There's another man. You predicted this so early on about parents getting sued, getting locked up for their children's crimes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, it hasn't really caught on yet.

[Adam Curry]

To an extreme. No. It's catching.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

A beloved Vietnam War veteran and teacher has died two weeks after he was allegedly hit by a teen on an E motorcycle. Now the teen's mother is facing manslaughter charges. CBSLA's Nicole Comstock with the charges and the heartbreak from friends of the victim. After a two week long fight for his life, treasured Vietnam veteran and Orange county teacher Ed Ashman has died. This after Prosecutors say a 14 year old boy illegally riding a powerful E motorcycle hit Ashman while he was walking home from school and left him in the street.

[Adam Curry]

I feel pretty bad. Was 81 and I didn't want to see him go out like that.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

His longtime friends and neighbors say after serving our country with honor as a fighter pilot, then dedicating his golden years to mentoring the next generation at El Toro High School. It's a shame that a young teen's actions allegedly led to his death in the Vietnam War.

[Adam Curry]

He went through that and then this happened.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

The boys mom, Tammy Jo Meher has now been charged with involuntary manslaughter. The new felony complaint alleges she was also an accessory after the fact harboring and concealing her son so he could avoid arrest and punishment. Police say they already told the boy's mother a year ago on body worn camera that she could face criminal charges for continuing to allow her son to ride the e motorcycle that requires a driver's license. Orange County County District attorney Todd Spitzer says in writing this mother essentially handed her 14 year old son a deadly weapon and despite multiple warnings on the dangers, continued to let him illegally ride.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they get this kind of an open and shut case is a little more easier to push than someone who's just a careless parent and lets their kid go wild.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is a question for Darren o'. Neill. He keeps track of the murders and shootings in Chicago. How many parents of those kids, because a lot of them are kids, do you ever hear in a story like this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, none yet.

[Adam Curry]

No, none.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to happen.

[Adam Curry]

That doesn't seem like it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have to get a. There has to be a build up of case law. So it's going to have to be after maybe dozens of cases like this go through and so you can put together this kind of an indictment based on something that's happened already.

[Adam Curry]

But it never used to be that. I don't understand. I mean, it used to go to juvie. Why the parents now I just don't get. Doesn't make sense from a legal perspective.

[John C. Dvorak]

It will

[Adam Curry]

shut up. It will make sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up. It will shut up.

[Adam Curry]

The law will be the law. I don't like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I kind of like it. So.

[Adam Curry]

Okay,

[John C. Dvorak]

how about a drunk or not drunk?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, oh, we haven't had one of those in a while. I don't know if I can find the jingle or not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I was hoping for the jingle.

[Adam Curry]

Not drunk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drunk or not drunk.

[Adam Curry]

Let me see. I have it here. I think I have it here. No, that's not it. You know, whatever happened to that jingle drunk or not drunk? I have a million drunk or not drunks. But none of them says this is the jingle, Adam, the one you're looking for. Oh, here it is. In fact, I have it. Drunk or not drunk jingle original Drunk or not drunk. Found it. Yeah, found it. All right, here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can't wait again. Set it up. This is one of the. One of the Reverend Al's meetups and he's got Kamala Harris.

[Adam Curry]

So are you gonna run again in 28?

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Listen, I might, I might thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. But let me say this. Let me. Let me say This. I am thinking about it. But let me also say this. I served for four years, being a heartbeat away from the presidency of the United States. I spent countless hours in my West Wing office, Footsteps away from the Oval Office. I spent countless hours in the Oval Office, in the Situation Room. I know what the job is, and I know what it requires. And I am thinking about it in the context of. Then, you know, is who and where and how can the best job be

[Adam Curry]

done for the American people.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how I'm thinking about it.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

I'll keep you posted.

[Adam Curry]

I'll keep you posted.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

All right. All right. Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris. I'm gonna say not drunk. I think she's not drunk. I think it's a different. You need a different jingle for her. Her Black or not Black. I think she's trying to do kind of. Yeah, she's kind of trying to do a. Like a. An urban type vibe. You know, I was just. Steps. Hotbeat away. Hotbed away from the presidency. No, I don't think she's drunk here. You think she's drunk?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I just seem drunk to me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, she seems drunk to me all the time.

[Adam Curry]

How about SSRIs?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting. I have this old PBS NewsHour clip, and the only reason I want to play it is because it's got the 33,000 is in the title.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is a magic number.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is. Ukraine shot down 33,000 Russian attack drones.

[Adam Curry]

Ukraine says it shot down more than 33,000 Russian drones in March. That's the most in a single month since Russia's invasion more than four years ago. Ukraine has been ramping up its drone capabilities in response to Russia's relentless aerial attacks and increasingly taking the fight back across the border. Officials said today Ukrainian forces can now strike much deeper inside Russia than they could at the start of the war. Earlier this month, Moscow accused European nations of expanding drone support to Kyiv, prompting a warning today from Russia's defense minister. This sort of action facilitates the sharp

[John C. Dvorak]

escalation of the military and political situation

[Adam Curry]

across the entire European continent and can have unpredictable consequences. Just yesterday, Poland's prime minister announced that his country will partner with Ukraine to manufacture what he described as a drone armada. Poland and Russia share a border. And Russia. Russia has violated Polish airspace on a number of occasions since the Ukraine war started. Now, the clip I'm most interested in just perusing your list is the limited edition Trump passport.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You know about that? No.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't, but I'm interested and I'll tell you why after I play your clip. The usdt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, I'm gonna guess why.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your passport's running out and you want to get one?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. The U.S. state Department is rolling out a new limited edition passport that includes a picture of President Trump. The State Department posted what it called a sneak peek on social media. It shows the President's image on the inside cover with his signature in gold lettering at the bottom. The back cover shows a more traditional scene of the Declaration of Independence. The release is part of the commemorations marking the 250th anniversary of American independence. Independence. It's also the latest effort to put Mr. Trump's mark on the nation, which includes his images on government buildings, his name on what was the Kennedy center, and a planned arch in Washington, among others. Yeah, this is an obvious collectible.

[John C. Dvorak]

I feel the same way. I want to get one, too, because my passport's expired.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my. Oh, you should get on that right away. You can do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, you don't want to get on right away because it hasn't been released yet. Yet. It's coming out in the summer and it's only going to be a limited edition, I believe, of 50,000. So you're going to have to get in right at the right moment.

[Adam Curry]

So I got a note from the State Department. They send out emails now and they say, hey, you can renew online. This is crazy. You can make your own passport picture and they show you how to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did that with my passport already, years ago, decades ago.

[Adam Curry]

Do you remember? Decades ago. Do you remember? Remember you used to have to go to a special photographer, he had to have special film, a special backdrop. It was all special, special, special, special dude, special shop. They had to wait and had to develop it, you know, in a dark room. It used to be very complicated. Now you can just take your own picture and submit it.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was years ago. The last two passports I've had, I took my own picture with a digital camera at the right, you know, against a bank wall, cut it out and submitted it, went in the passport just fine. Well, this isn't new.

[Adam Curry]

When I renewed mine, which was seven years ago, for some reason I got a seven year passport. I don't know why. Maybe it was 10 years, nine years ago, it couldn't do it. That was not. I don't know how you got to do that, but there was no offer for me to do that online with my own.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just did it.

[Adam Curry]

It just. Now you said just. Oh, you just did it. You just.

[John C. Dvorak]

You just did it.

[Adam Curry]

You just. Here's my. Did you do it with your phone in the drawer with that one?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I used a good quality camera.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had a perfect background. It was exactly the same as you'd get. I had Jay or somebody take my picture and two or three times and took the best one, cut it into the exact right. Blew it up to the right size, printed it out myself, and then cut up. Cut it into a square and submitted it. And it went right, right through it. And this is, like I said, at least two passports ago.

[Adam Curry]

Huh. Well, I. I was unaware. Anyway, I want one of them, so I'll wait until it's released. I'll try and get in on that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is a time. It's going to be a timing hot item.

[Adam Curry]

It's a hot item. I want that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, a lot of people probably don't want it.

[Adam Curry]

Like, I want it. I want it. That'd be hilarious. I want this gold coin. I want everything I can get because we're never going to see this.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, somebody. Somebody back in 2020 sent me a box full of Trump collectibles.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, what'd you do?

[John C. Dvorak]

Phony dollar bill.

[Adam Curry]

I got. Yeah, I got those. I got the Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Trump and a bunch of coinage and stickers and all kinds of stuff. It's just a huge. And I. It was just so much stuff. I just packed it up and put it in the app. Probably be worth a fortune someday.

[Adam Curry]

So listen to this. The last no Agenda meetup, you know, which was here at J6 or Jenny's place, and people were very kind and donating on the spot. And so we counted. You know, we count out the money, and then we send you the check. And then, you know, because we do that all officially, we don't want it to. You know, there's nothing. It's all above board. We pay our taxes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We pay tax. Too many taxes.

[Adam Curry]

And so Tina, I'm usually like, just keep the cash around you. You know, he's like, now I gotta take it to the bank. We take it to the bank and, you know, like, there may be six $100 bills. And. And the bank manager's like, Do you realize that these. These are not all real?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm like, what, you had six counterfeit bills?

[Adam Curry]

No, two were $100 bills with Trump on it. Someone handed off phony Trump hundies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, brother.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was pretty funny. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to try and scam you, Mr. Bank.

[John C. Dvorak]

You didn't notice this?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, we didn't notice it counting because the back that just looks normal. You look at the front like, oh, this trip Trump, that can't be a real hundred dollar bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's hilarious.

[Adam Curry]

It was a good day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can you cash this bill with Trump's picture?

[Adam Curry]

Whoever did that, good, good work. Hand handing your night ring. Handing your night ring. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning. To you, the man who put the sea in co opted and captured. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, good morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. Also in the morning, all ships to sea. Boots on the ground, feeding the air subs and the one on the dames and knights out there in the morning

[Adam Curry]

to the trolls in the troll room. Let me count, 1589 trolls listening live to the live stream, which means someone's interested in what we have to say. And we like that. For those of you who stuck with us since the beginning of this program, this is where you return the value you receive from this show. You send us emails about it, you let us know about it in person. Now make it come true, value for value. There's no ads, there's no subscriptions, nothing's mandatory. No hoops, no jumps, no tote bags. Although we used to have tote bags, but they were toxic from China, so we got rid of those. They were going to kill people. Remember those tote bags we had?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, the ones that stung from this coal tar.

[Adam Curry]

It was some kind of toxic chemical. It never worked out. Time, talents and treasure. That is exactly what we asked for. By the way, you should be listening to us in a modern podcast app. We certainly hope that you are because that way when we go live, you get the automatic bat signal, which tells you we're live. And in the actual podcast app, just like a radio receiver, you can then listen to us live. And in fact, a lot of the different no agenda shows all use this live stream capability and it'll all give you an alert and then you can listen to it live in your podcast app. But maybe just as important, one of the 282728 new features that we've added to podcasting, part of the podcast index.org and podcasting 2.0 is the fact that within 90 seconds of updating our podcast, you'll get the alert and it'll be on your device. No more waiting on these legacy apps. Just don't wait for it. So value for Value. You can support us in many different ways. Time, talents and treasure. We always appreciate people doing things, boots on the ground, helping us with clips, with ideas, with your expertise. Everyone's an expert in something, and when it comes around, when it's your time, it's your responsibility to let us know exactly what we got wrong or to set us right before we even get started on some topic. And of course, we also appreciate people who do artwork for us, which is increasingly easier. But is it really? I think the competition's gotten harder. People are doing more. They're getting more into the finesse of prompting. The same with the end of show mixes. I think we have three great ones again today. Do you like the one about you? Did you hear that one about your open heart surgery?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the one I liked the best was the heavy metal one about the show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the first one. But the second one was good too. JOHN ON I mean, you just don't

[John C. Dvorak]

like being the first one the most.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well. And I, I asked the, I asked the guy, I said, what are you using? Sunos? Yeah, I'm using Suno. So people are getting better at this prompting business. And that goes for Blue Acorn, who just had a good idea and we have a good idea and you can implement that. It just works. It doesn't matter what tools you use, as far as I'm concerned. This was the artwork for episode 1864. We titled that point cap. A lot of people enjoyed us talking about the old computer days.

[John C. Dvorak]

About a lot of people.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I got, I got a lot of notes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, no, they remember the good old days.

[Adam Curry]

No, it was young people who could

[John C. Dvorak]

not believe we had a processor technology with a North Star drive.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. A North Star drive. Now that's a blast from the past. Seagate, baby. Seagate. Blue Acorn made us a beautiful piece of art.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was soft sector, not hard sectored.

[Adam Curry]

Back when floppy disks were floppy, Actually floppy. This was the young ladies on the beach spelling out 8008, a classic calculator joke from. From the days of. Of Seagate. Floppy Seagate drives and floppy disks. A boob donation number and nicely slipped in there. Little Nick the rat on the beach. Little Rat. Little rat on the beach.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which was nice. So it was a good piece. We both liked it. We looked at a couple other things. We [e-mail] that's where everybody could participate. Everybody can upload their work. We use it in other things as well. Not just the album art for the show, which is critical to Us, but also for newsletters and for comic strip blogger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I saw that. So

[Adam Curry]

no CSV, just no talking about

[John C. Dvorak]

blast from the past. Next to the seashells was the Flying Toasters.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. To me that I like the Flying Toaster one, but I thought that was good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to mention the Flying Toasters. The people that did the Flying Toasters. They were in Berkeley.

[Adam Curry]

Berkeley, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the company that became moveon.org no.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. How did they. Yeah, how did they go from flying toaster screensavers to moveon.org they did.

[John C. Dvorak]

They just did.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Interesting little tidbits. That's a pivot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No kidding.

[Adam Curry]

Honorary mention to Nesworth Nessworks. It was a little discombobulated, but I like the fact that I think he did this art, you know, with old school tools. 86 in the M5M. Kicking some seashells. It wasn't quite there. We liked it, but it just wasn't quite there. Very disturbing. What people or what the LLMs think you should look like with baby and the bypass. The new podcast. Apparently bald, you're dead. You're basically dead. I didn't even. I didn't like that. I still thought the BB on the beach is funny, but we never use that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's never gonna happen.

[Adam Curry]

It still gives me a chuckle looking at it. I think that would a lot of different. We've done shell art before when this thing came around the first time. And just looking at what's here, there's plenty of you guys still got plenty of chance census to become the artwork for episode 1865 noagendaartgenerator.com and now we thank the producers who supported us financially, which is critical to our operation. You can go to noagendadonations.com and you can support us there. Any amount, anytime you feel like it. Just any. Any way you want to do it. It's all good. But we do need you to do it. And we start off with Jason Peterson from Round Rock, Texas, not too far from here. He comes in with $1030.26. So this was a donation I presume he sent on the 30th and he said no jingles, no karma from soon to be Red knight Commodore Jason. And yes, you will be a red knight in the order of the heart and you will be that momentarily. And we thank you very much, Jason for your support.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it goes with Jim and Dallas who came in with $1,000 and he hasn't note. He actually wrote on a piece of paper attached you'll find a long overdue donation. Been following John's sage advice and Adam's hairstyles for years. Back in the day it was John, Jerry, Purnell and Leo who were the go to guys for all things tech. Still miss the good old cranky geeks v. Blog days. Best wishes John. Here's hoping for a speedy and full recovery. Recently went through a heart health related episode myself. For now, a little karma will do. Jim in Dallas.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's also on the birthday list.

[Adam Curry]

He is Anonymous in Charlotte, North Carolina line of 514 and 7 cents. ITM Gen says. Anonymous. Please accept this donation of 488.33 plus fees and thank you for the ongoing value and cheers to the best podcast in the universe. Anonymous all right, thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Night of Sandy parks in Calverton, NY 33342 a jobs karma plus random Sharpton please. Alas, alas, he writes, if only I had enough time, talent or treasure to donate as much as you deserve. Cheers to you both your hearts and amygdalas and all the no Agenda nation. Night of Sandy Parks.

[Adam Curry]

R E S P I C T

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

And coming in with the classic 333 and 33 cents. Dennis Cadle from Tampa, Florida. And he says ITM, Adam and John, a big thanks to all the listeners who helped make our Manuka Gold Relief Gel a massive hit. Yes, I have to say the other night I got a charley horse right in the thigh and I. And that's the kind where you can. You can't stretch your leg. Your leg is locked up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's terribly painful.

[Adam Curry]

Hurts, hurts, hurts. And I'm in the dark. I'm in the bathroom. I'm like, oh, what am I going to do with this? And Tina had just cleaned up the whole cabinet. I'm like, oh. So I'm there with the. I got to get my. I didn't have my phones, I don't know. Flashlight. My vape was in the bathroom. So I'm using the little display from the vape and I found. And I put some of that Manuka Gold Relief gel on it. Wait, wait, wait.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was the bathroom dark? You needed a flashlight?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the bathroom's dark. If I turned the light on then

[John C. Dvorak]

Tina would you Taking a shower. What were you doing in a dark bathroom?

[Adam Curry]

I was asleep. It was 1:30 in the morning and I wake up with this charley horse. So I struggle to the bathroom which Is connected to the bedroom. So if I turn on the light, I might awaken my bride.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, heaven forbid.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. Exactly. Heaven forbid. So I find it. She kept it right in the front and within this is. You know, I used to use the cow's lavender blossom stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You should just punch the charlie horse.

[Adam Curry]

I tried. Does that work for you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

I did just punch it.

[Adam Curry]

I did try to punch the charley horse but it didn't work out so well. But the relief gel within seconds. I don't know if it's psychological. I don't know how it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who cares? It works.

[Adam Curry]

It works.

[John C. Dvorak]

The placebo effect in action.

[Adam Curry]

I'm happy with it. We're thrilled people are getting genuine natural help with their pain. We also want to mention our be well B E e be well Manuka honey. Our most popular product for a reason reason. It tastes amazing. I concur. And it can be used just like any other honey but is so much more than just honey. Be well is a totally unique all in one bioactive superfood. It's. You okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I just threw a spoon in a cup.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry. Superfood blend of manuka honey, turmeric and ginger with the healthy facts in MCT oil. Whatever. Be well creates cognitive go that helps with overall inflammation, mental focus and long term brain health. Don't just fix your back, fuel your mind. Grab the best [e-mail], use code JCD20 for 20% off. That's Dennis Cato, Tampa, Florida. And what are you doing now?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm clicking my tongue on my mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

To add impact to this sales pitch.

[Adam Curry]

Worked. Thank you very much. Manuka gold people. Small small family business there in Tampa, Florida and we're happy that that the no agenda is supporting them. That's great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Austin the pool guys up. He's in Roseville, California. He's an Associate executive producer. 225 buck donation. Hey Adam and John, first time donor, need of a deduching Whoops.

[Adam Curry]

Don't want to do that.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a 38 year old and first saw Adam on Joe Rogan and everything and everything said hit okay. Especially when talking about fluoride which is still impossible to get my doctors, my doctor wife to understand. Oh, a lot of people just do not. Don't get the argument. Yeah, I love listening to John too. He's like the grandpa I never had. You're both amazing and always look forward to listening to you guys while running my own business cleaning pools no, it says cleaning.

[Adam Curry]

He says cleaning pool.

[John C. Dvorak]

He does say cleaning pool, but I corrected his grammar.

[Adam Curry]

That's like riding truck, driving truck. You clean pool all right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what he said, but I avoided it. It's good to hear donations are coming from my area in hell, Roseville. I mean California. I'm in Roseville and if anyone in this area would love top of the line pool service. I've been in business for 10 years and a no Agenda fan for two. Pleasedsca. No wait. Marylandpools California CA Marylandpoolsca mail.com Maryland is for Marley's dad pool service named after my daughter. I'm totally looking to start a meetup in my area. Would love to hang out with like minded individuals. So if anyone wants to email me for that too. I'd love to get something together. Thank you both for everything and saving people from being black pilled daily. Your new favorite pool guy and boobs on the the ground for any pool. What?

[Adam Curry]

Boots.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh boots. Boots, not boobs.

[Adam Curry]

That's in your mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boots on the ground for any pool related things. Austin the pool guy.

[Adam Curry]

All right, Austin. Thank you. Hey, there's Eli the coffee guy checking in with 205.03. He's always at $200 and then the date five three. He says we've all been watching the Seed man get deplatformed in slow motion for years. The term lawfare feels a bit too polite for burning someone's media operation at the stake was a little disconcerting to go to the Infowars website and just see off air on the homepage. It also shows the limits of the ability of the system to silence dissenting voices. You can pull the plug on a studio, not the signal. After all, there's a war on for your mind. Adam, thank you for leading the charge for podcasting 2.0. Decentralization is the only way to go. And the only way to go for good coffee coffee is to visit gigawatt coffeeroasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20 off your order. Stay caffeinated says Eli the coffee guy. And he said he wants a dealer's choice. Alex Jones jingle. I don't know if we have. Here's. Here's one. That's what I declared a jihad on their ass. Let me try something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get the frogs are gay out.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, oh, the frogs. Okay, frogs. Frogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gay.

[Adam Curry]

A classic. Of course, I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs gay. Oh, classic, classic, classic, classic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Linda Lopatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado. 200 jobs, karma. Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[Adam Curry]

And a couple more associate executive producers with $200. Steve from Hillsboro, Oregon. And Steve says thank you for sparing all of our sanity during the trying times with the COVID hoax. Keep up the great work as your media deconstruction is second to none. God bless

[John C. Dvorak]

Dame Tony Helfst in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. 200 bucks. She wrote a note. She's got a birthday.

[Adam Curry]

I think she. Yeah, did.

[John C. Dvorak]

I said she said you think you said he but probably didn't.

[Adam Curry]

This is where you say you're supposed to say that word never left my lips.

[John C. Dvorak]

That word never left my mouth. Dear John and Adam, first off, I want to say how happy I am that John's recovering so well. I was very concerned when he had his heart attack and subsequent surgery and very distressed hearing about his anesthesia problems.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm no doctor, but I'm fairly certain you are not supposed to be awake. Yeah, that's what they tell me.

[Adam Curry]

No guess. Kidding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Personally, I would be having having trauma flashbacks for. Oh, for sure. Second, I noticed that in episode 1860 there were no donations in the $100 range. This is very concerning to me. I know money is tight right now, but maybe people don't realize that this is not a cherry and that you guys are doing income tax returns are in. So share your good fortune. Yes, you should. With the best podcast in the universe. Thank you for that, Dame Tony. Finally, it's my birthday on May 5th. Everybody's birthday is on May 5th. So here's a birthday donation gift for you. Happy birthday to me. No jingles or karma. Thank you for your courage. God bless you both. Both, Dame Tony Helfst.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you, Tony. Appreciate that. And thank you to all of these executive and associate executive producers of episode 1865. A reminder how it works. If you can Support us with $200 or above, between 200 and 300, not only will we guarantee read your note but you will also receive an associate executive producership credit, which is good anywhere. Hollywood credits are recognized, including IMDb.com, $300 or above. And that gives you an executive producer credit. And of course, we'll read your note. We appreciate what you were doing. We appreciate that you were supporting us in such big numbers. We could always use more. But we say congratulations to these executive and associates executive producers. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up, Slade.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Shut up.

[Adam Curry]

And here's the rest of our producers. $50 and above, never below 50 for reasons of anonymity. We see you 4999s and lower numbers. We see you all and we appreciate all of you. Baron Latakin, Houston, Texas. Speaking of the hundreds, there he is, the only $100 donor today. Jason Shepard, Trinidad, Colorado, 8076. There's Mr. Boob Kevin McLaughlin. He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs from Concord, North Carolina. And he says God bless America and boobs with $80.08. Sir Sigma, Shoreline, Washington. 7650 birthday donation for his dad, Sir Ross of the Broken Ladder Ranch from Sir Sigma. Is that the broken. Is there more? Let me just expand this for a second. The Broken Ladder Ranch. Dame Rita. Ah, good to see Dame Rita in from Sparks, Nevada. A6833. Chad Hewitt, Folsom, California. 6640 small boos from Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. That is $60.06. Zadok Brown, the third, Pukalani. Pukalani, Hawaii Connections Protection. He says donate $59. Thank you. Eric Fleenor in Palmyra, Michigan. Did I say it right? Yes, Michigan 5555. And he wants house karma for everyone else. Okay, double nickels on the dime. 5510 from Brian Furley, Troy Funder Burke in Missoula, Montana. 55. Dame Nancy of the Confused in San Bruno, California. 5244. And she says donations help to discourage exit strategy conversations. Keep your favorite podcasters happy. Donate love. Dame Nancy of the Confused Daniel LeBoy, Bath, Michigan. No stranger to the 50s. And these are the 50s. Along with James Sharametta, Napanok, New York. Lydia Terry Dominelli in Rochester, North, New Hampshire. Leslie Walker, Roseburg, Oregon. Walker Phillips in San Rafael, California rounds out our 50s. And that's it. Short list today. We definitely could use more. You did receive your tax returns and remember to put us in your will. It's always a good thing. People do it for NPR. Why not for us? Go to noagendadonations.com if you'd like to support the show. If you got value out of this, that's how it works. Any value you got. All you have to do is just send it back. You make up your own number. If you want to do more than once, you can do it. A recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency works. We appreciate it all. Noagendadonations.com. Jim in Dallas celebrated his birthday on April 26th at D. Mackie. Hey, D. How you doing? Celebrating tomorrow and Theodora bol on the 5th. How old will the adorable be? Will he be 12 now? Is he driving yet? John staking a dump. Dane Tony Hell's also celebrating on May 5th. And Sir Sigma says happy birthday to his dad, Sir Ross of the Broken Ladder Ranch. Happy birthday from all of us here at the best podcast in the universe. And then we have not one, but we have two Orders of the Heart. Behold the Order of the Heart, pure of purpose, right from from the start. In the morning, brave and smart. The Order of the heart. Yes, these are limited time, very limited edition pins that come with your $1,000 donation along with your knighthood, if you're not already a knight. And today that goes to Jason Peterson and Jim in Dallas. Both of you Red Knights in the order of the Heart. Behold the order of the Heart, pure of purpose right from the start, in the morning, brave and smart, the Order of the heart. And before we grab our night, we did have one karma request house selling karma for everybody.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

And an F cancer for Clayton Swimming.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

And then we have the one night. So let me get blade here. Are you back? Are you back? You've muted yourself. That's what happened. You've muted yourself against.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm right here.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, where's your sword?

[John C. Dvorak]

I. Hold on a second. Okay, it's a little one.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, a teeny one. Jason Peterson, hop on up. Sir, you are about to become not just a knight, but a red knight. And you've already had supported the show in many amounts of thousands of dollars for which we are eternally grateful. But hereby I'm proud to pronounce the K, the Red Knight, Commodore Jason. Welcome to the round table, sir. You were already a commodore. And for you, just for you, we have hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay along with that, we got some redheads and ryes, we got beers and blunts, we got Ruben esque, lemon and rose geishas and sake, vodka and vanilla bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum and ho ho, mutton and mead. That's right. It's here for you at the round table. And you sir, should go to noagendarings.com let us know what size ring you have and we'll take care of you. Along with your beautiful Red Knight Order of the Heart pin which will be coming to you. And of course along with your signet ring, which is our night rings are all signet rings. Our dame rings as well. You get a certificate of authenticity and several sticks of wax to seal your important correspondence. Welcome to the Roundtable, Red Knight. Commodore Jason. Pretty soon we can expect a meetup in Hell in California, as we heard earlier from our associate executive producer. And it's very easy to do because all you have to do is go to noagendameetups.com, you just start one and then you just let everybody know about it. And once it's on the calendar at noagendameetups.com, i'll mention it. We'll continue to promote it. You can do all kinds of things to promote it and people will show up. They usually do. I'm a little disappointed. Christopher Vekselberger, he did the Leipzig, Germany meetup. It was. He said it was a good meetup, but he didn't record a report. He sent a written report, which is I wanted to hear some German voices. I wanted to hear your server. I will read his very short report. I call it a success. We were three dudes having a good time, even though neither hookers nor Blow were involved. I would like to thank Dirk and Thilo for stopping by. We decided to gather again in the near future. So keep an eye out for the next Leipzig meetup announcement. Keep up the great work says Christopher. Thank you very much. Appreciate that you did that. Next time just get your phone out. Just record it. I'll cut it up. Don't worry about it. We have a meetup taking place today. It is in fact it is well underway. The TMI Evac Zone Win, Lose or Drone meetup at Evergreen Brewing in K Camp Hill, Pennsylvania. So I hope to hear a meet up report from that. And coming up on the 8th of May, Buda, Texas Leiden, the Netherlands on the 9th Eagle, Idaho, Santa Rosa, California and Nashville, Tennessee the 13th Unionville in Ontario, Raleigh, North Carolina the 14th, the 16th we have Fort Wayne, Indiana Coleyville, Texas Los Banos, California and Wilmington, Delaware along with Fort Wayne, Indiana. 2 in Indiana, May 23rd Los Angeles, California Leo Bravo meetup I'm sure Hickson, Tennessee on the 23rd and Franklin, Tennessee and the 25th is Squim, Washington Mimi, will be attending. So bring your too many eggs.com books and she will gladly sign them for you. She'll probably have some along with her for sale. You can buy them on the spot. These are the no agenda meetups. This is where connection brings you protection. Because the people you meet at a meetup will be your first responders in any emergency, guaranteed. They're the people that keep you stable, who will keep you able. Go to noagendameetups.com, find one near you can search many different ways. And if you can't, or if we just feel like it, even if there's one in your area, you can always set up another one. Go ahead noagendameetups.com Set up one yourself. It's easy and always guaranteed a party. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and names. You wanna be where you won't be triggered on Hell's Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a party.

[Adam Curry]

And we have John's tip of the day coming up along with three dynamite end of show mixes. You will love that. Before we do anything, though, we need to select our end of show ISO. We've kind of forgotten why we do it, but it is kind of fun because we get to select odd things that are short and we'll play at the very end of the show. It's a three for three today, so I'll go first because you always think you have something better than me. I went to the well for this one. It's really incredible. Easy. Obviously we have this one. Props to them. And that's it. Oh, that's no good. That's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's actually pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What do you got?

[John C. Dvorak]

I got three. Okay, let's start with crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

These are crazy people.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

These are crazy people.

[Adam Curry]

It's all right. I could use it in a pinch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amazing.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Another great show. Amazing.

[Adam Curry]

I have to stop it there because there's like seven seconds left. So. You didn't cut that one right. We can use that one. I'm fine with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me hear it again.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Another great show. Amazing.

[Adam Curry]

She doesn't sound very amazed. One. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Boobs. If you like boobs. Donate to no agenda. Okay, that's clearly the one. And again, there's like 16 seconds left.

[John C. Dvorak]

I tried. I don't understand why I'm screwing this up.

[Adam Curry]

You are screwing it up. But you can make up for it with another dynamite tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

If anybody has any tip of the day ideas, just send them with the subject line. Tip of the day. Which is exactly what Commodore Cermek did.

[Adam Curry]

Ah.

[John C. Dvorak]

With this pretty good tip. I checked it out. It's a software product called Ventoy. It's one of the. I've seen these things before and I've used them. This one here seems to be pretty damn good.

[Adam Curry]

Ven. How do you spell Ventoy?

[John C. Dvorak]

V E, N T O Y. Okay, and it's Ventoy.net Ventoy.net this allows you to create bootable USBs, which can come in quite handy if you're on the road and you just take your. Your whole system and make a bootable usb, stick it in someone's computer and blow it up, change, change the boot order and boom, you got your whole system system booting from the USB drive. It just works well, huh?

[Adam Curry]

So what's wrong with just taking your computer?

[John C. Dvorak]

What if you got a big giant desktop piece of just a. I don't. You know, in my case, I could do that because hauling around these nuks, these little bitty things. But no, you don't want to. You. Or, or you say you have a work office, you get. You want to do it. You have a home office and an office as a computer and it's a big clunker and it's a company thing. It's not a laptop. Yeah, there's plenty of reasons that you want a bootable usb. Or we say you got a secret system, you got a bunch of stuff you don't want people looking at.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'll be honest. I always have a bootable USB of. Oh, Marchi Linux. I carry that with me just in case I need to set up a whole new shop show like a whole new system. Yeah, but that would be pretty much really the end. The end of everything. If I had to resort to that, that'd be pretty bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, this is anyway, it uses just an ISO file, Create an ISO file, drop it on here, and it all works well.

[Adam Curry]

All right, check it out, please. Everybody who's going to do that, raise your hand without talking. Find them [e-mail], no agenda fund, And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti. I got more pleasure out of your Bordeaux, Blanche.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have another wine chip coming next show.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, good. And that concludes your broadcast day for today. Coming up next on the no agenda stream, we have our big D, dumb mouth obdm and oh, they're gonna be talking about the InfoWars shutdown, AI consciousness and Area 51 quakes. A second half of show if I've ever seen one. Ever seen one before. So that'll be next on the no Agenda stream. If you just keep listening to your modern podcast app, it will be the same. And end of show mix is from just Baker, who was just kicking butt with the Sunos, Chris Matson and MVP of course bringing you the latest in anything promptable. I think they're pretty good. And we will be back on Thursday. I will be coming to you from Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Looking forward to risky. Risky, yeah, very risky. Coming to you from the airport hotel, the one that had their logo just catch on fire. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country, Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

And from Refinery Row, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Remember us atno agenda donations.com, please, until Thursday. Adios mo fos a hooey, hooey and such from the no Agenda Command center. It's Sunday show time. Fire. War power's terminated but the tank is on E and the price is just inflated Spirit Airlines grounded, no more budget wings Passengers stranded thanks to the oil kings Mayday in the streets they're marching for the cause Tariffs on the UK lost Trump's rewriting all the laws no agenda, no agenda adam Curry, John C.D. borat we see right through the agenda Gas pain playing strain hormones in the way Follow the money is the no agenda way no agenda, no agenda. Sunday edition no agenda just the truth, baby. Well, who do we have here?

[Reporter / Correspondent]

John c. Davu rack. John c. Yeah, john c.

[Adam Curry]

And the experimental pointing device.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

What about the bypass?

[Adam Curry]

He doesn't need it. We'll just put this mouse in there and call it good. Table. Someone's counting sponges on on the right. The anesthesia didn't take. I'm watching my own rib cage open like a gate.

[John C. Dvorak]

The yakety yak that goes on in

[Adam Curry]

the opera but my lips won't move. Surgeons got good hands, though. Smooth practice crew, you can hear it all. I was awake during my open heart surgery, staring at the ceiling, counting ceiling tiles with me. I could feel the pulling, but I couldn't feel pain. Just a mild inconvenience and a dream like you died and you're not dead yet. The nurse said, John C. Yeah, John E. The doctor held a mouse up, said, yeah, this'll do the same. You're sedated, you're asleep, but you're not, you're dead. Making jokes like this, old geezers nurse before we close. Why don't surgeons tell jokes during operations? Why, doctor?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they might crack you up.

[Reporter / Correspondent]

Funny. Really funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. All you remember is that listening to these voices during the surgery or during the. Yeah, no, during the surgery.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Wow. That's kind of crazy. Fight. Click the live stream login. Find the bait. Join the OG posting to escalate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trolling, trolling, trolling.

[Adam Curry]

Keep the troll room rolling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trolling, trolling, trolling.

[Adam Curry]

Keep the troll room rolling. Backside.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep trolling, trolling, trolling. The best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org na if you like boobs, donate to no Agenda.