John C. Dvorak (2:21)

Oh, no.

Adam Curry (2:21)

Yeah, and I tested the whole rig, everything, tested it out, Everything's fantastic. And then the minute we got to go live, the whole stream system, all my credentials popped out. And this hotel two days ago, maybe

John C. Dvorak (2:36)

Lennox is illegal In Holland, it will be.

Adam Curry (2:39)

You know what's illegal in Amsterdam? Advertising meat.

John C. Dvorak (2:44)

What?

Adam Curry (2:45)

Yeah, you heard me.

John C. Dvorak (2:47)

Come on.

Adam Curry (2:48)

Yes, yes. Advertising meats.

John C. Dvorak (2:51)

So you can't. What about advertising a hamburger?

Adam Curry (2:55)

No, no, you cannot advertise a ham. You cannot advertise meat in Amsterdam.

John C. Dvorak (3:01)

In just. In Amsterdam or the whole country.

Adam Curry (3:03)

No, Amsterdam. Amsterdam is its own special. Its own special policies. Yeah, you can't advertise. There's no advertising of meat products in Amsterdam.

John C. Dvorak (3:14)

Wow.

Adam Curry (3:15)

Yeah. And it's the climate change people.

John C. Dvorak (3:18)

Oh, my God. I got some climate change clips.

Adam Curry (3:21)

Yeah, well, first, let me finish my report, so.

John C. Dvorak (3:24)

Yes, please.

Adam Curry (3:25)

This hotel, we always stay at the. At the airport hotel, they have a huge logo on the side of the hotel. Two days ago, the logo caught fire, and they. On the outside of the building, and they evacuated all 280 people. So I guess we're kind of lucky that we didn't show up earlier.

John C. Dvorak (3:48)

Yeah, I guess so.

Adam Curry (3:50)

Yeah. And so I've literally been in the hotel room getting set, prepping, getting ready, fixing stuff. You know, the USB is disconnecting. It's one thing after another. Today, the gremlins are in the machine. So I'm completely relying on you to drag us through the show.

John C. Dvorak (4:09)

And I can do it.

Adam Curry (4:10)

And I want to remind everybody this is a value for value production, which, again, people seem to have forgotten, which means near the end of the show,

John C. Dvorak (4:23)

the word, the trouble. Hold on a second. People should know that you have to go through a rigmarole. A lot of trouble. We keep. We keep doing this show when either one of us travels. I stopped traveling after Covid, but Adam still takes a trip or two, and this is a pain in the ass, but we do it to. We do it.

Adam Curry (4:42)

Yeah, we do it.

John C. Dvorak (4:43)

We work on holidays, too.

Adam Curry (4:44)

Yeah, work on. I mean, I'm here to see my daughter. I'm here to see her for a couple of days.

John C. Dvorak (4:50)

You could be seeing your daughter right now instead of doing this show.

Adam Curry (4:53)

I could be doing a lot of things instead of doing this show. So we just ask you to support us if you get any value from it. If this is of no value to you, then. Okay, well, we'll figure something else out.

John C. Dvorak (5:04)

I think it's the news cycle.

Adam Curry (5:06)

What do you mean, the news cycle?

John C. Dvorak (5:08)

I don't think the news cycle is attractive.

Adam Curry (5:11)

Really? Oh, I think it's incredibly attractive. There's lots of fun things to talk about.

John C. Dvorak (5:19)

Yeah, but they're all minor. They're not like, big trends or anything that's gonna change the world.

Adam Curry (5:25)

No, I think you're wrong. No, I think you're wrong. What happened is we have too many big things. It's like we barely got out of COVID Barely. If you really think about it, people are still traumatized by that. That was a good one. That was a big one. Then we've had Epstein files. But it's all unsatisfactory. You see, people, they're not getting any. They can't get no satisfaction. And so they're just mad about everything. And, you know, and we're not the guys that are just, you know, cynical all the time. And we're not pumping it up and saying everybody sucks. But let me start off with just a fun little 37 second clip just to give everybody ideas. Speaking of COVID you know, Questlove. Questlove.

John C. Dvorak (6:14)

By the way, I want you to do some follow up on this. Not advertising meat, okay?

Adam Curry (6:20)

It's been going on for a while, but now it's official. So you know Questlove. Questlove.

John C. Dvorak (6:25)

No.

Adam Curry (6:26)

Yeah, I think he's. Isn't he with. Isn't he in Jimmy Kimmel's band or maybe.

John C. Dvorak (6:32)

No, I don't think so.

Adam Curry (6:33)

Maybe Jimmy Fallon's band.

John C. Dvorak (6:35)

Yeah, no, Fallon's band has got a name.

Adam Curry (6:37)

Oh, he was someone. Someone's ban. He was in someone's band. He was one of those late night show bands.

John C. Dvorak (6:44)

I think it could be. I think you might be thinking about other guys now. Off. The British guy.

Adam Curry (6:51)

No, no, no, no, no. I'm waiting for the Troll room to tell me. Anyway. Troll room. Troll room is slow. Yeah, it was, what, Kyoto? No. Anyway, when you hear the guy, you'll recognize. I'm pretty sure he was.

John C. Dvorak (7:06)

He.

Adam Curry (7:07)

He was in one of those late night TV show bands. And so this guy is. Yeah, it was found. Yeah, Fallon's band. See, I know I'm right. Fallon's band. So if you're in Fallon's band, Fallon's

John C. Dvorak (7:18)

band is the Roots.

Adam Curry (7:20)

Yeah, Questlove and the Roots. Exactly. Okay, thank you. So if you're in Fallon's band during COVID what are you gonna do?

John C. Dvorak (7:32)

I don't know. What are you gonna do?

Adam Curry (7:33)

You're gonna take the shot.

John C. Dvorak (7:35)

Of course. You have to take the shot. That's required.

Adam Curry (7:39)

And all of your buddies are gonna take the shot.

John C. Dvorak (7:43)

They have to take the shot. That's what it was an edict.

Adam Curry (7:45)

Listen to this. In the last year alone and, you know, I wondered, is there a pandemic happening that I'm not aware of? I'll say. For me, in the last eight months, I've lost 11 friends.

John C. Dvorak (8:03)

Oh, yeah, I saw cancer.

News Reporter (8:06)

Oh, my God.

Adam Curry (8:07)

Like, even the day that I found out D' Angelo had cancer, D' Angelo was the sixth person in a 24 hour period that broke the news to me. And even then it was like in humor because five other people had broke the news to me, like earlier that day. I mean, this is bad. This is no good.

John C. Dvorak (8:29)

Yeah, that's a lot of people.

Adam Curry (8:30)

Yeah, 11 people that he knows. Holy crap.

John C. Dvorak (8:33)

That's a lot.

Adam Curry (8:34)

Yeah. So, you know, so people don't want to hear this. I don't want to hear that. Although. Hold on. I know you got a three by three, but I might as well roll out this one. And while we're at it, the Food

News Reporter (8:43)

and Drug Administration has withdrawn the publication of studies that tracked the safety of the COVID 19 and shingles vaccines. A spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services says the state studies drew broad conclusions that were not supported by the underlying data. Health officials say the COVID 19 vaccines and shingles vaccines are safe. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has expressed doubt about the safety and efficacy of several vaccines.

Adam Curry (9:12)

Yes, exactly. Can you read the writing on the wall? My Lord?

John C. Dvorak (9:17)

No, they can't. In fact, it's embarrassing. And I will say this about that pulling those studies, the pushback on that was. There they go, there's Kennedy doing is the anti vaxx thing. They're not paying any attention to the underlying reasons they did this, which was they drew conclusions that weren't valid conclusions to draw from the data. That's the reason they did it. And I see more anger about, oh, look at, there's another example. This is just Kennedy's anti vaxx thing. This is known as being an anti vaxxer and this is proof. Yeah.

Adam Curry (9:59)

Well, let's go to the next one. Before we even do your three by three. Do you have any.

John C. Dvorak (10:02)

No, the three by three is about Iran. We can do tonight.

Adam Curry (10:05)

We can do that in a minute. I want to do henta virus. You have a henta virus?

John C. Dvorak (10:09)

I might have a hint of because

Adam Curry (10:11)

I'm loaded for bear on the henta virus. Let me hit you with.

John C. Dvorak (10:16)

Let's go with it.

Adam Curry (10:16)

Let me hit you with a henta virus.

News Reporter (10:17)

Two cases of hantavirus have been formally confirmed after three people died in a suspected outbreak on a cruise ship off the coast of West Africa. A British crew member requires urgent medical care and a passenger from the UK remains in a critical but stable condition. The World Health Organization says it has identified a total of seven cases in the outbreak. Our correspondent Khumsa Fulani has more. What we've heard overnight from the cruise line owners, a company called Ocean Expeditions is they've confirmed that they are currently working on plans to carry out a medical evacuation of two crew members who are still on board that MV Honduras cruise ship off the shoreline of Cape Verde. Now, this is because they've not been allowed to disembark the 149 passengers who are from various nationalities around the world. The local authorities there have expressed concern that they don't know the full details of the disease and they're concerned what that would mean for the population.

Adam Curry (11:19)

So they've so far. I killed the clip accidentally. The point of this is that for whatever reason, hentavirus keeps coming up in our lives over and over and over again. Let me take you Back to episode 1362, July 2021. And then there's another weird report.

Expert/Guest (11:49)

Weird.

Adam Curry (11:50)

This has cropped up many times, but it seems orto hantavirus is cropping up here and there. The last time it was a big news story was in 2013, of all places, Camp Curry in Yosemite.

John C. Dvorak (12:03)

Yeah, Hanta would be places like camp Curry.

Adam Curry (12:07)

It's mouse. It's from. From mice, right?

Expert/Guest (12:09)

It's.

John C. Dvorak (12:10)

Yeah, it's mouse crap.

Adam Curry (12:12)

But if you read, if you read about it. Hantavirus, single stranded envelope negative sense RNA virus. Rna. So that already caught my eye. Like, oh, RNA might have something to do with. If you look at the symptoms, man, it's very, very similar to. To Covid. Very. And it's, it's in your airways as well.

John C. Dvorak (12:37)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (12:38)

So I don't know if that could be mistaken for it or God knows

John C. Dvorak (12:41)

hat has never had huge numbers. No, that would have come.

Adam Curry (12:45)

All right, so that was 2021. I didn't go back to 2013, but this is just last year.

News Reporter (12:56)

In other health news, researchers with the virgin with Virginia tech are warning of a disease they say has pandemic potential.

Adam Curry (13:07)

I like the alliteration pandemic potential.

Expert/Guest (13:10)

That's.

Adam Curry (13:10)

It's. It's.

John C. Dvorak (13:11)

How does it.

Adam Curry (13:11)

Too long, but it would have been a show title. What's that, John? Pandemic potential.

Expert/Guest (13:15)

Tonight, NBC news learning two u. S. Flag ships.

Adam Curry (13:19)

Wait, what's happening here? We hadn't heard of four years, but now all of a sudden. Stop. Has pandemic. Oh, my goodness. What's going on here?

John C. Dvorak (13:30)

The whole double curry.

Adam Curry (13:32)

Everything's out of control. All right, here we go. Potential.

John C. Dvorak (13:35)

Well, first of all, I mean, the real one would be bird flu. But it's probably measles.

News Reporter (13:41)

It's called hantavirus. You may have heard about hantavirus.

John C. Dvorak (13:46)

Should have guessed that one.

Adam Curry (13:47)

Easy, easy, easy.

News Reporter (13:49)

It's called hantavirus. You may have heard about it recently. It's the infection that killed Gene Hackman's wife. And it also caused three deaths in California recently. The virus is commonly spread throughout rodent droppings and urine or saliva and can cause stomach serious illness. Humans.

Adam Curry (14:06)

How can that be? How can that. Does it transfer from human to human? How can it have pandemic potential?

John C. Dvorak (14:12)

Exactly.

Adam Curry (14:13)

Rat poop.

John C. Dvorak (14:14)

You get it from rat or mouse poop and saliva. I don't get this beyond me.

Adam Curry (14:21)

I love how you're talking to Adam from 2025 while the clip is playing.

John C. Dvorak (14:25)

Yeah, I'm talking it. We'll get back here.

Adam Curry (14:28)

That was.

John C. Dvorak (14:28)

Grow up.

Adam Curry (14:29)

That was great. What do you mean, grow up? The thing is though, there's more than one kind of hantavirus. This is the part that gets confusing now. We're in today's world.

Expert/Guest (14:42)

There's lots of different hantavirus around the world. Most of it is in eastern China where it's a different form. It's a hemorrhagic fever. That's you know, when you can have bleeding and it can cause kidney failure. But in the Americas, it's a different form. It's called HPS Hantavirus Pulmonary syndrome, where you can have sort of a cardiovascular collapse and a respiratory or pulmonary lung collapse. Unfortunately, in the Americas it can be one of the strains is the Andean strain and that can have a mortality between 25 and 50%. So it's the most dangerous and the most mortal of all. The most of the hantavirus cannot be transmitted through human to human contact, but the Andean form can be. It's still rare, but there have been reported cases of human to human transmission in the Americas. It tends to be a respiratory virus that starts off with non specific symptoms, fevers, gastrointestinal symptoms, but then very rapidly can affect the heart and lungs and cause a fatal type of neurotransmitter pneumonia setup or what we call ards, which stands for acute Respiratory distress syndrome. Basically, the lungs can get filled up with fluid and it's very severe. The most likely way of getting this, all forms of hantavirus is through close contact with rodent droppings, urine, you know, secretions, and it is not through human to human transmission. That's why the general population does not have to be concerned about getting this. This is definitely not the next pandemic oh, okay.

Adam Curry (16:22)

All right. Well, that's disappointing.

John C. Dvorak (16:23)

Well, I have my cruise ship clip from NBC, which did a quick summary. It's not that great.

Adam Curry (16:31)

Okay.

News Reporter (16:31)

Tonight, an urgent medical evacuation to take place at any moment. Three people suspected to have the high risk hantavirus on a cruise ship now off the coast of Cape Verde in the Atlantic Ocean, expected to be transported to the Netherlands using two air ambulance planes.

John C. Dvorak (16:47)

According to the Cape Verde ministry and

News Reporter (16:50)

the ship's operator, already three people who were aboard the ship have died. This as new video shows health workers in protective gear and supplies being delivered to the roughly 150 people on board, including 17Americans.

Expert/Guest (17:05)

I will also show you what my room is like.

News Reporter (17:07)

Jake Rosmarin is a passenger on the ship and in a new statement said that safety measures are in place, including social distancing and masking after the medical evacuation. Spain now says the rest of the people aboard the ship will be allowed to disembark at the Canary Islands, where the ship is expected to arrive in the next several days. There they will be examined and sent to their home countries.

Expert/Guest (17:31)

It's very possible that you can be infected and not have any symptoms for.

John C. Dvorak (17:36)

Here we go.

News Reporter (17:36)

Immunologist Stephen Bradview underscores the severity of the virus.

Expert/Guest (17:41)

If you get sick with the cardiopulmonary hantavirus, on average there is a 35% death rate.

News Reporter (17:48)

And that 35% is high when you compare it to other viruses.

Expert/Guest (17:52)

That's right. Influenza is far lower. Covid is around 1 to 2%.

News Reporter (17:58)

The World Health Organization says at least some of the passengers may have contracted the virus through human to human contact.

Adam Curry (18:05)

This is the part. This is the part that I'm struggling with. Human to human.

John C. Dvorak (18:11)

Yes, this is.

Adam Curry (18:12)

They.

John C. Dvorak (18:13)

They have the talking points. Human to human contact is one of them. And the one you caught earlier there in this clip, which was actually kind of cool. Asymptomatic.

Adam Curry (18:25)

Oh, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (18:25)

See, they ran the asymptomatic thing at us during COVID They sure did. Which is a key. It's a key to success.

Adam Curry (18:33)

Asymptomatic spread, specifically.

John C. Dvorak (18:37)

Yeah. So you could not have any symptoms whatsoever. You're not sneezing, you're not coughing, nothing. You're just walking around and you're fine. You're in good shape, but you're spreading. You're like typhoid. Everybody's Typhoid Mary.

Adam Curry (18:50)

Listen, our trolls are so jaded. They're like, yeah, bring back Zika. Where's Zika? We want Zika. Zika was where it was at, man. Yeah. So those two Dutch people died. They died on the ship.

John C. Dvorak (19:11)

That's not.

Adam Curry (19:11)

Yeah, that's not. Well, it's the cruise ships. The only people who I know who go on cruises are old and Andrew Horowitz. I don't understand why that guy is so big on cruises.

John C. Dvorak (19:23)

Everything's crazy. Roger McGuinn's another one.

Adam Curry (19:26)

Well, but Roger McGuinn goes on those really high end, luxurious, like, you know, 150 rooms. And he does his special show and, you know. But he doesn't do a.

John C. Dvorak (19:37)

Refuses to do a show. He says he's. It's low. It's low. It's beneath him to do a show. He doesn't do a show. He does a lecture. He.

Adam Curry (19:46)

He brings his guitar on for his lecture. I know he does. He.

John C. Dvorak (19:50)

Yeah, of course he does, because he plays the guitar. If you go visit him at his house, he's playing the guitar.

Adam Curry (19:55)

Can you imagine? You're on a cruise ship, a high end cruise ship with, you know, caviar, and there's a bird, an actual bird. Roger McGuinn, a bird. And then he just lectures you, no, no, no, I want my money back. No, of course we want him to play some songs. So his lecture, I'm sure is he

John C. Dvorak (20:13)

lectures you, but he's sure he'll play a song while he's lectured. Yeah, yeah. To do that riff that nobody can do, that eight miles high riff. He likes to show it off.

Adam Curry (20:24)

That's different than Horowitz, who likes going on where people get hentavirus, they get norovirus, they get all kinds of virus. I can't believe that he still does that. You know, and then the cruise ship gets stranded or it sinks or capsizes. It just.

John C. Dvorak (20:44)

Yeah, see, this is. You're just being a bigot. According to these guys.

Adam Curry (20:47)

I am a bigot. Big time. I cannot believe the cruise

John C. Dvorak (20:54)

doesn't have any appeal to me either.

Adam Curry (20:55)

Anyway, so. So there you go. It's not the new pandemic. When the M5M is saying that I'm paying attention. No, it's definitely.

John C. Dvorak (21:07)

Well, they're hard up. They're hard up.

Adam Curry (21:11)

Yes. Because.

John C. Dvorak (21:12)

Asymptomatic, 35% death rate. Remember when Covid first showed up that had some ridiculous death rate.

Adam Curry (21:19)

Yeah, it was the same numbers. It was similar numbers like that. It was.

John C. Dvorak (21:22)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (21:23)

Although I got.

John C. Dvorak (21:24)

And it was asymptomatic. And if you touch something, you touch a bag of potato chips and somebody else touches the chips, they'll catch it.

Adam Curry (21:31)

Here's America's Dr. Celine Gowder.

Expert/Guest (21:34)

Dr. Gowder, thank you very much for being here. We're in a post Covid world.

Adam Curry (21:38)

Post Covid world, everybody. That means pay attention. We've got news for you that just might scare you.

Expert/Guest (21:43)

People are scared. They hear about an outbreak and they're worried.

Adam Curry (21:46)

I know you say this is not Covid.

Expert/Guest (21:48)

Explain to me what, why?

News Reporter (21:49)

So this is not Covid, The Andes?

Adam Curry (21:51)

No, it's not Covid.

News Reporter (21:52)

But virus, which is a kind of hantavirus, requires close, prolonged contact between two people in order to have transmission. When we've seen this happen in the past, it's been in the context of spouses, that kind of close contact. What makes this really hard to contain is the fact that it's on a ship and the timeline. So you have this long incubation period. You also have a period of time when people can be infectious before they show symptoms.

John C. Dvorak (22:18)

So we got 140 people on this boat. 17 of them are Americans.

Expert/Guest (22:23)

How do you deal with that population safely?

News Reporter (22:26)

Could they, in theory come home safely? Yes. The risk of spreading this on a flight is very low. They would need to be near a hospital that has a heart lung bypass machine because that's what you need when you get really sick with hantavirus. But it is something that we can anticipate that some countries won't want to accept them. Right. And this goes back to The Ebola Days, 2014, 2015 Ebola Days. These Ebola may well need to quarantine on the ship.

Expert/Guest (22:54)

That out of office message just got a little longer.

Adam Curry (22:57)

Dr.

Expert/Guest (22:57)

Gambler, thank you.

Adam Curry (23:00)

Remember, she's the doctor whose husband dropped dead,

John C. Dvorak (23:04)

but from the shot.

Adam Curry (23:06)

Come on. Yeah, he was a reporter at the. Wasn't he at the Olympic Games or the World Cup?

John C. Dvorak (23:14)

Oh, right, the Olympic guy.

Adam Curry (23:16)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (23:17)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (23:18)

I kind of like the Ebola days. Ebola days.

John C. Dvorak (23:21)

The Ebola days.

Adam Curry (23:22)

Yeah, it was good times. Ebola days.

John C. Dvorak (23:24)

Yeah, I remember that. Good old days.

Adam Curry (23:26)

Remember that guy got off the plane and just. We were all waiting for him. We had. We were all watching live on tv. The guy.

John C. Dvorak (23:33)

Yeah, the guy just got off the plane and went home.

Adam Curry (23:35)

He got off the plane, got in the ambulance, popped out of the ambulance, walked in like, you know, I am a bola guy.

John C. Dvorak (23:41)

Yeah. And there was also some. Some woman or somebody just jumped on her bicycle and took off into the woods.

Adam Curry (23:48)

Yes, I remember that. Yeah. So I think. But you see this. This is the problem is we've had so much news, has just jacked us all the way up that now we're just numb to it. We're just numb. Like whatever, you know, Ebola, Zika, okay, War, whatever.

John C. Dvorak (24:11)

Swine flu.

Adam Curry (24:13)

Swine flu.

John C. Dvorak (24:15)

Hey, let's gotta come back.

Adam Curry (24:16)

Let's do your three by three. Get that.

Expert/Guest (24:18)

Now it's time for three by three.

John C. Dvorak (24:20)

It's an experiment, experiment type jcd.

Expert/Guest (24:23)

Comparing stories from abc, CBS and NBC.

Adam Curry (24:28)

The never ending three by threes. That's right, three by three. John. Iran's got the big headlines from the big three.

John C. Dvorak (24:34)

Yeah. This is about the ceasefire in Iran. And we're going to start off with. Let's start off with ABC Tonight.

News Reporter (24:42)

Even as Iran fires missiles and drones at American Navy ships and our ally, the United Arab Emirates, the Trump administration insists the ceasefire is not over. But today, a top Iranian official insisting, quote, we have not even begun yet, adding, we know full well that the continuation of the status quo is intolerable for America here at home. The average price of a gallon of gas now topping $4.50, the highest it's been in four years. The price of beef soaring more than 15% over the past year. Yesterday, the administration launched an effort to reopen the Strait of Hormuz to commercial traffic. But in the past 48 hours, only two commercial ships have crossed. More than 1500 stacked up outside. And late tonight, the President abruptly announcing he was pausing the US effort. It came after Iran opened fire on some commercial vessels, including American Navy ships, which fired back earlier. Secretary of State Marco Rubio emphasizing that didn't mean the US had resumed attacks on Iran.

Expert/Guest (25:48)

This is a defensive operation. And what that means is very simple. There's no shooting unless we're shot at first. Okay? We're not attacking them. We are only responding if attacked first. This, this is a defensive operation.

News Reporter (25:59)

Rubio then taking it a step further, declaring that Operation Epic Fury itself is over. This, though President Trump's goal in starting the war to eliminate Iran's nuclear program remains out of reach. Ten weeks in, are we any closer to getting rid of Iran's nuclear material?

Expert/Guest (26:17)

Yeah, but look, here's the way to think about Iran. So their ability to build a shield behind which they could hide their nuclear program was wiped out. That's a very substantial achievement. And that was the purpose of this operation from day one in order for

News Reporter (26:30)

this war to end.

Expert/Guest (26:31)

Well, that's one of the topics that needs to be discussed. I don't know about. I think you're linking it. The operation is over. Epic fury. Is the president notified Congress? We're done with that stage.

Adam Curry (26:40)

I love, I love this. It's over, man. What are you talking about? 60 days, 30 days. It's over. The thing is over. It's a ceasefire. We reset. We're back to it. We're basically. We're in March. Okay? We're in March now. There's no war. It's all good. All right, so that was abc. Who's next on deck?

John C. Dvorak (26:58)

Well, let's go to NBC.

Expert/Guest (27:00)

Tonight, NBC News learning two US Flagged ships that passed through the Strait of Hormuz had U.S. military security teams on board. Two U.S. officials say part of President Trump's new Project Freedom, meant to protect commercial vessels from Iranian attack. Iran still targeted both ships with missiles, drones, and armed small boats, but the US Military intercepted the attacks and blew up the boats.

John C. Dvorak (27:25)

I call it a skirmish because it's not war. Iran has no chance.

Expert/Guest (27:30)

Iran today once again targeting the United Arab Emirates after this strike yesterday.

Adam Curry (27:35)

Today, the UAE saying it shot down

Expert/Guest (27:37)

more Iranian drones and missiles across the country. They're bombing commercial tankers. It's just outrageous. With Secretary of State Marco Rubio saying President Trump's new effort to open the Strait of Hormuz by protecting ships from Iranian attacks was a critical defensive step. There is no international law that allows you to say, I'm going to put mines in an international body of water and I'm going to blow up ships that don't listen to us and try to go through. That's what Iran is doing. This is a criminal act and someone needs to do something about it. That bottleneck of oil tankers continuing to drive gas prices higher, now reaching $4.48 on average in the U.S. this NBC News analysis shows the price is highest on the west coast and across the Rust Belt. But Rubio defending the effort he says keeps the Iranian regime from getting a nuclear weapon. If Iran had a nuclear weapon and they decided to close the straits and make our gas prices like $9 a gallon or $8 a gallon, we wouldn't be able to do anything about it because they have a nuclear weapon. And just moments ago, President Trump posting that at the request of Pakistan and others. And because progress is being made in talks, he says they will pause Project Freedom, which protects those commercial ships in the Strait.

Adam Curry (28:50)

All I can think of when I hear Project Freedom is Freedom. Project Freedom, okay.

John C. Dvorak (28:58)

You know, Rubio should have said $14 a gallon.

Adam Curry (29:04)

It's not gonna. It's all gonna come down. It's.

John C. Dvorak (29:06)

I was below the one thing is, he doesn't exaggerate.

Adam Curry (29:09)

Well, it's below $100 today.

John C. Dvorak (29:12)

Yeah, it dropped like a roc. As Trump came out and said, he said, we're going to get the nuclear, they're going to drop the nuke program. We're going to get the product that's buried under the ground. I don't know how they're going to do that, by the way, since it's buried under the ground, but he's going to get it. And he made all these assertions, but he says, but if that doesn't work out, we're going to bomb them again. I mean, this is ridiculous.

Adam Curry (29:38)

It's fantastic. What do you mean? We have.

John C. Dvorak (29:41)

Yeah, I know you, you enjoy it.

Adam Curry (29:42)

We have nothing but time on our side. And here's what I keep hearing. There are hundreds of empty tankers on the way to America. Is this actually true?

John C. Dvorak (29:54)

I don't know. We only have so much.

Adam Curry (29:56)

I see no evidence. I see no evidence of this. I keep looking at Galveston like, you know, where are, where are these tankers?

John C. Dvorak (30:04)

That could be bull crap.

Adam Curry (30:06)

I think it may be. Let's listen to your CBS version and

John C. Dvorak (30:10)

cbs, of course we are. I say for last all the time now because since it's been taken over by Barry Weiss, but the CIA still runs it. Come on to the war with Iran now.

Expert/Guest (30:21)

The ceasefire is still officially holding despite attacks over the past 24 hours and despite still very limited movement through the Strait of Hormuz. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said today the offensive state. But the US military is now focused on defense in the form of breaking Iran's blockade and its hold on the global economy. We have established a powerful red, white and blue dome over the strait.

News Reporter (30:45)

The Pentagon says 15,000American service members are involved in Project Freedom, which is seen two American flagged commercial vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz safely.

Expert/Guest (30:58)

American destroyers are on stations supported by hundreds of fighter jets, helicopters, drones and surveillance aircraft.

News Reporter (31:04)

More than 1500 ships are thought to remain stranded. The Iranian regime claims it still controls the Strait of Hormuz. Iran's foreign minister referred to Project Freedom today as Project Deadlock.

Expert/Guest (31:19)

This is really a classic question of chicken here. And who will blink first?

News Reporter (31:24)

Grant Rumley is a former Middle east advisor at the Pentagon. Do you think that the US military has effectively ended the de facto Iranian blockade of the Strait of Hormuz?

Adam Curry (31:36)

No, I don't think so.

Expert/Guest (31:37)

You know, the US can, can block

Adam Curry (31:39)

nine out of 10 shots, but if one of those Iranian vessels gets through and scores a hit, it has a large and disproportionate symbolic effect.

News Reporter (31:48)

The US says Iran has attempted, attempted to disrupt Its operation in the Strait of Hormuz with cruise missiles, drones and boats. But President Trump and other American officials said today that the ceasefire with Iran is still holding.

Adam Curry (32:01)

Yeah, and there's all, there's so much information of all sorts. And by the way, someone just put a map into the troll room. There does seem to be a lot of ships coming to our coastline here. But there's

John C. Dvorak (32:19)

a lot of ships.

Adam Curry (32:20)

You have no idea. Nobody knows breaking news. Nobody knows nothing. And then you know this. Projectiles. Oh, it was struck by projectiles. According to the UK Maritime Observatory. These guys sit on Twitter and they, they watch for someone to post something on Twitter and like, oh, oh, we got a report.

News Reporter (32:41)

And in news just Ian, A tanker has reportedly been struck by projectiles.

Adam Curry (32:46)

Projectiles? What is that? It could be bananas. It could be hand grenades. This, this, this makes no sense to me.

News Reporter (32:53)

Projectiles in the Strait of Hormuz. The vessel was targeted 145km north of the city of Fajaria in the United Arab Emirates. According to the UK Maritime Trade Operations Agency, it is the second vessel to be hit today. The crew has been reported safe. And this came either shortly after or shortly before Donald Trump announced on Truth Social that he would be escorting or the US Would be starting to escort ships through there tonight our time.

Adam Curry (33:25)

Okay, so we have that report about projectiles and then miss now has this report.

Expert/Guest (33:30)

So, David, speaking of reporting, I'm going to let you sort through this one for all of us. Barack Ravid, of course with Axios, is saying that a senior U.S. official denied that a U.S. ship has been hit by Iranian missiles. It is obviously we're, we're in the early moments of this. So I certainly am not placing any sort of moral equivalency between government of Iran and the US Government. I would will simply say we have two eyewitnesses saying that eyewitness the two ships were in fact hit according to Al Jazeera. And we have one senior official right now on background telling.

Adam Curry (34:19)

Background means don't mention my name is

Expert/Guest (34:22)

that no US ship was hit. So hard to say. And we will need to wait at least a few hours to. Before we get actionable information out of that area.

Adam Curry (34:34)

But okay, so no one knows anything and the press hears their questions for

News Reporter (34:39)

Secretary Hegseth, are there still concerns about mines in the strait? And can you kind of clarify these reports of kamikaze dolphins that we've heard about?

Expert/Guest (34:48)

What dolphin thing?

Adam Curry (34:51)

It's like sharks with laser beams.

Expert/Guest (34:53)

Right.

Adam Curry (34:54)

The threshold of restarting is a political

Expert/Guest (34:57)

decision above My pay grade, what I'll say is it's low harassing fire right now. It feels like Iran is grasping at straws to try to do something across the southern flank. To your question, David, their command and

Adam Curry (35:10)

control structure remains very fractured and I

Expert/Guest (35:14)

think they're struggling to maintain control down

Adam Curry (35:16)

echelon at the edge.

Expert/Guest (35:17)

But we're stillit's still pretty low level kinetics at this point in time. And I can't confirm or deny whether we have kamikaze dolphins, but I can confirm they don't.

News Reporter (35:28)

Okay.

Adam Curry (35:29)

You know, it's like what happened to the mines? There were, oh, mines. They've mined it all. We have to close it up because of the mines. Well, how come no mines blew up? The Maersk ship that we escorted on the, on the way out, there's no mines. This is, this has been another hoax, this whole thing. Here's the CEO of Maersk Maersk saying, you know, yeah, we worked it all out and we left with the US Navy in this case here.

Expert/Guest (35:57)

We were approached by the US Government and the US Navy specifically saying that they wanted to take some ships out. We went through intense preparation together with

Adam Curry (36:07)

them, looked at all the aspects of

Expert/Guest (36:10)

the mission and whether we could stand in for the safety of the crew if we were sending the ship along in that operation. Our assessment was that the US Navy had made an extremely thorough plan and that we felt comfortable we could get the ship through without, without risk. And then we conducted the operation here

Adam Curry (36:31)

earlier in the week and we're very

Expert/Guest (36:32)

pleased to see that everybody got safely on the other side without, without any incident. So a very well executed mission by the US Military and thank God for

Adam Curry (36:43)

that because then it means that the

Expert/Guest (36:44)

ship is free and the crew now

Adam Curry (36:47)

can get back to doing the work that they want to do and are

Expert/Guest (36:50)

supposed to do rather than be stuck in the Gulf.

Adam Curry (36:52)

Yeah. So where were the mines? Did we all of a sudden we know where the mines are or did our kamikaze dolphins figure that out? When will the media learn that this is all just bull crap? It really all is. This is, this is a, this is an economic game. This is Sal Mercagliano what's going on with shipping. He explains a little bit of how this works.

Expert/Guest (37:17)

Now this has led to meetings in London with what's called the Joint War Committee. Now I'll have a link below for this. The Joint War Committee is made up of representatives of Lloyds, the big insurer House and other underwriters who determine basically where insurance goes.

John C. Dvorak (37:36)

If you look right now the rate to go through the Persian Gulf through

Expert/Guest (37:42)

the Strait of Hormuz was roughly about 0.15 to 0.25% of value to go through the Strait. That's what you were paying above and beyond. And that was good for seven days. Well, what we've seen happen is the insurers canceled this. So you get stories like this from Jonathan Salz over at Reuters. London marine insurers are expanding the Gulf high risk zone as the Mideast conflict escalates. So that Joint War committee that met

John C. Dvorak (38:08)

on Monday has determined that they're adding

Expert/Guest (38:11)

high risk areas around Bahrain, Djibouti, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar.

John C. Dvorak (38:15)

They're expanding out the danger area.

Expert/Guest (38:18)

Now that danger area is going to require more money. The insurance rate is going to jump from 0.15, 0.25% to anywhere from 1 to 3%. 3% is gonna be for US, UK and Israeli vessels. Cuz they are viewed to be high targets. Not just US uk, Israeli flagged, but US uk, Israeli owned.

Adam Curry (38:38)

And that is key. Yeah, that's all that. This is the Joint War Committee, a bunch of ex spooks in the uk. They go to Lloyds and say, well, we think it's pretty dangerous over there. Why? Well, we read on Twitter that the UK maritime observers, they said that, you know, there were projectiles. Oh, okay. We better jack up rates. The straight is closed again. It's all, it's all a scam. It's been this way for, for a hundred years. There's nothing to do with mines or dolphins or.

John C. Dvorak (39:11)

I like the dolphins though.

Adam Curry (39:12)

Come on. Well, the idea is great. Of course, of course. So the.

John C. Dvorak (39:17)

Because the dolphins aren't stupid.

Adam Curry (39:19)

No, I don't think there's such. You can't have a kamikaze dolphin. They don't want to die. I'm with you.

John C. Dvorak (39:25)

I think after the first one blew up, I think the rest of them

Adam Curry (39:28)

get the idea this is not a good thing. We're not, we're not gonna, we're not gonna do this.

John C. Dvorak (39:33)

Yeah, I got some clips from NPR about the U.S. combat operations. U.S. combat operations are over.

Adam Curry (39:41)

Yeah. Didn't you know that it said there's no more war.

News Reporter (39:43)

We've heard the President say the war is over. Nearly over. Will be over in two weeks, several times now. Is it actually over this time?

Adam Curry (39:51)

Yes.

Expert/Guest (39:52)

Yeah, I mean, we really don't know. I mean, Rubio says the focus now

Adam Curry (39:55)

is on negotiations and that the US

Expert/Guest (39:57)

is only going to be involved in defensive operations. And what that means is very simple. There's no shooting unless we're shot at first. Okay. We're not attacking them. We're not. But if they are attacking us or they're attacking a ship, you need to respond to that. But to your point, I mean, we also heard earlier in the day Trump expressing frustration that Iran's leaders had yet to capitulate after two. Two months of U.S. military and economic pressure. They should wave the white. The flag. The white flag of surrender. In hockey, they say uncle.

Adam Curry (40:29)

Right.

Expert/Guest (40:30)

You know, it shows how things. Just for change.

Adam Curry (40:33)

Wait a minute. Do they say that in hockey or is that.

John C. Dvorak (40:36)

I don't know.

Adam Curry (40:37)

That's at the schoolyard. Isn't that where you're supposed to. And where does.

John C. Dvorak (40:40)

Yeah, it's in the school. You're not in hockey.

Adam Curry (40:42)

Where does that even come from? From say uncle.

Expert/Guest (40:45)

Flag of surrender in hockey they say uncle.

Adam Curry (40:51)

Right.

Expert/Guest (40:52)

You know, it just shows how things

Adam Curry (40:53)

are changing all the time.

News Reporter (40:54)

Yeah. Last night, Trump also touted what he called progress towards an agreement with Iran. Has there actually been progress?

Adam Curry (41:02)

Yeah.

Expert/Guest (41:02)

It's interesting because Trump's words were very different than some of the messaging being delivered by Rubio, who told us yesterday that the two sides were still trying to figure out what the specific issues

Adam Curry (41:12)

each side were willing to negotiate about.

Expert/Guest (41:15)

That's the object of this diplomacy, is to come up with some level of understanding about what are the topics that they've agreed to negotiate on. We don't have to have the actual agreement written out, and one day. This is highly complex and highly technical, but we have to have a diplomatic solution that is very clear about the topics that they are willing to negotiate on and the extent and the concessions they're willing to make at the front end in order to make those talks worthwhile. I mean, Layla, that makes it sound like they're very early in the process, which, again, is very different than the great progress that Trump is portraying.

Adam Curry (41:45)

No, I thought they were down to a one pager. They went from 14 points to a one pager, which may be the same thing. I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (41:53)

I don't know. They just say these things.

Adam Curry (41:55)

Yeah, exactly.

John C. Dvorak (41:58)

Maybe we should just ignore the whole topic.

Adam Curry (42:01)

No, no, no, you can't, because it's a part two, affecting everybody with gasoline prices. That's what we.

John C. Dvorak (42:09)

Yeah, well, here In California, it's $7.11.

Adam Curry (42:13)

Yeah, well, that's your own fault, because all the oil companies left because of, you know, just horrible California, and you've got three, four dollars worth of taxes on top of that. So don't come crying to Me, calm Euphornia.

News Reporter (42:29)

I mean, and the big issue, right, is still the Strait of Hormuz. More than 100 ships a day used to travel through that waterway before the war. And it's only since the US And Israel started this war that Iran took control of the strait. So if combat operations are over, as we heard from Rubio, what, again, Iran

Adam Curry (42:47)

took control of the strait. What does that mean? Do they have a line of ships that are blocking everyone from going in or out? This is.

John C. Dvorak (42:58)

No, what they did was they said, look, we're sitting here on the straits of her moves. We got, we got property right here and here's where the straits are. We're going to shell anything that tries to come through.

Adam Curry (43:12)

But they didn't.

John C. Dvorak (43:14)

They've been doing it all along. What do you mean they didn't?

Adam Curry (43:17)

Well, we, we just took, they sent

John C. Dvorak (43:20)

drones, they send missiles, they send projectiles. You said so yourself.

Adam Curry (43:24)

Projectile. We just took a ship out. Where, where was the boom, boom, boom from that? None of it.

John C. Dvorak (43:29)

They were, it was their break.

Adam Curry (43:32)

You, you believe the media?

John C. Dvorak (43:34)

Lunch break.

Adam Curry (43:34)

You are lunch break.

Expert/Guest (43:37)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (43:37)

I mean, that was Rubio's big push.

Expert/Guest (43:38)

And he said under no circumstances can

Adam Curry (43:41)

the US Allow Iran to normalize the

Expert/Guest (43:43)

idea that they can control the waterway. But he also stopped short of saying what action would take place.

News Reporter (43:49)

Now, the Secretary of State briefed the press on this latest development. Is that unusual?

Expert/Guest (43:54)

Well, I mean, the administration really came

Adam Curry (43:55)

across the board, no, not for the future president yesterday with a stepped up

Expert/Guest (43:59)

message about the war. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, Joint Chiefs of Staff. Dan Kaine, brief reporters. Trump also took questions. And it just comes at such a big moment in the conflict as Americans continue to feel kind of the economic pinch of all this. And Rubio said that Iran needed to make a sensible choice that leads them to reconstruction and prosperity. The alternative is growing isolation, economic collapse, and ultimately total defeat. I know what the right choice is for Iran. I hope that the people over there making decisions will make the right one. Yeah, I mean, the message boils down to a mix of de escalation combined with this kind of tough talk.

Adam Curry (44:36)

And it can be confusing at times. Oh, okay, npr. All right, so this brings us to the War Powers act, which I find fascinating because I hadn't really ever looked into it specifically because it kind of never came up. I think maybe not even under Bush, because that was different. You know, it was. The Twin Towers coming down was different. But this Twin Tower, this War Powers act where you're supposed to have 60 days and then you can extend another 30 days. This is a very interesting constitutional issue which goes back a long time in our history and there's a lot of misunderstanding about it even in the hallowed halls of Congress.

News Reporter (45:19)

Well, I do want to start with the Iran war. We're approaching tomorrow's 60 day deadline for the President to come to Congress set by the War Powers Act. House Speaker Mike Johnson was pressed on this deadline by my colleague Ryan Nobles. I want you to play, want to play for you a little bit of what he had to say and get your reaction.

Expert/Guest (45:38)

It's time for Congress to weigh in on the war in Iran, especially now that we're past the 60 day threshold.

Adam Curry (45:44)

I don't think we have any active kinetic military bombing, firing, anything like that right now. We're trying to broker a piece and it would be.

Expert/Guest (45:52)

I would be very reluctant to get in front of the administration in the

Adam Curry (45:54)

midst of these very sensitive negotiations. So we'll have to see how that plays out.

Expert/Guest (45:57)

But the constitution specifically states 60 days.

Adam Curry (46:01)

What?

Expert/Guest (46:01)

But the President has called it a war.

Adam Curry (46:03)

The Constitution.

John C. Dvorak (46:05)

Good.

Adam Curry (46:06)

Catch the concert. Well, this is, this is why I dove into this. Listen to this. Right now, I'm saying that we do not have military, kinetic military action at the moment.

News Reporter (46:17)

As President Trump has said, this is a war. But what do you make of Speaker Johnson saying that the United States is not at war?

Adam Curry (46:26)

Well, it's a dodge from Speaker Johnson. And, you know, after the 60 day mark, we begin 30 days in which the law is very clear. The President has to withdraw US Forces absent a congressional authorization. Being in the region, not engaged actively in kinetic force or kinetic action isn't what the law says. After 60 days, he has 30 days to withdraw. So absent congressional action, the law says the President has to bring those troops home. So I just, when I heard that, like, oh, it's in the Constitution, like, okay, let me go check my Constitution.

John C. Dvorak (47:04)

No, that's not right.

Adam Curry (47:05)

I don't think so. So now we go back to Rubio.

News Reporter (47:08)

The White House believe that these votes coming up in Congress are a moot point then.

Expert/Guest (47:12)

Look, guys, I love talking about this topic. He's about the War Powers act.

Adam Curry (47:15)

Okay?

Expert/Guest (47:16)

I love. I was hoping somebody would ask. All right, hold on, hold on. No, no, you don't. Let me answer. I gotta answer the question, okay? And I love it. I'll tell you why I love it. Because even as a senator, I said something. The War Powers act is unconstitutional 100%. Now, this is not the position of me, not the position of the President, of The United States. Now, this is the position of every single president that has occupied this position since the day that law passed. It's completely unconstitutional. Now, we comply with it in terms of, like, notification because we want to preserve good relations with Congress. Right? And we do that. But even as a senator, I would say that the War powers Act is 100% unconstitutional. And look, I know some of you, whatever you want to say, but this is not this president's position. That has been the position of every single presidential administration since the day that law passes an infringement on the President's constitutional powers. We don't acknowledge the law as constitutional. Nonetheless, we comply with elements of it for. For purposes of maintaining, you know, good relations with Congress. And we want them to be involved, and we want them to be informed. I have gone on Capitol Hill, I don't know, four times this year for all senators and all House members and Intel Committee and Gang of Eight. We want them to be involved in this. But I want to be clear on the point of the War Powers Act. It's unconstitutional. And every president and every administration has taken that position.

Adam Curry (48:29)

Okay, so now I'm interested. We've got people in Congress saying it's in the Constitution, and then we have Rubio saying the War Powers act is unconstitutional. So I had to dig, and I dug so deep that I wound up with the great one, which was Mark Levin. I did. He had Professor John Yoo on the show. And when you learn about the War Powers act and its history, it's actually educational. Welcome back, America.

Expert/Guest (48:56)

We're here with Professor John Yoo, who's probably, from my perspective, the expert on

Adam Curry (49:02)

the War Powers Act.

Expert/Guest (49:03)

He's been writing about it for 30 years. You can go to all these journals and law reviews. And he's been duking it out with other professors. You know, John, you. It's amazing.

John C. Dvorak (49:12)

I watched Bernie Sanders. He immediately gets up and says, but

Expert/Guest (49:16)

Donald Trump there is unconstitutional. You got aoc, who, of course, we always turn to when we want some constitutional expertise.

John C. Dvorak (49:25)

She said the President needs to be impeached.

Expert/Guest (49:27)

Now, these are two.

Adam Curry (49:28)

That's a funny line.

Expert/Guest (49:29)

Radical Marxists who really are not inclined

John C. Dvorak (49:32)

to like the Constitution, nor like our military. What do you say to them about

Expert/Guest (49:39)

impeach the president over the War Powers Act? Is the War Powers act constitutional?

Adam Curry (49:44)

Let's start right there.

Expert/Guest (49:45)

I agree with you, Mark. I don't think it is. The Constitution sets out the War powers. Congress can't use a law to rewrite the Constitution. And the Constitution says the President is the chief executive of The United States, and he is the commander in chief. The founders understood those phrases to mean that the President has the primary responsibility to protect our national security. Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist paper said energy in the executive is the definition of good government. Because he was explaining why are these clauses in the Constitution, and he said it's necessary to protect the communitiesour community from attack. That doesn't mean Congress has no power. Congress has the power to provide funds or to cut them off. That's how Congress ended the Vietnam War. That's how Congress ended the Mexican American War of 1848.

Adam Curry (50:35)

And so when you go back to the days of Madison and then later the War Powers act, it was phrased differently initially, and they changed that specifically so Congress would not have this power. They think they have the biggest issue.

John C. Dvorak (50:51)

Right. In fact, I think. I think he took a lot of guts to play Mark Levin stuff, but he did a lecture once and explaining how Madison had it so that Congress. In the Constitution, it says Congress can declare war.

Adam Curry (51:08)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (51:09)

Well, but the original guys wanted to say Congress can make war.

Adam Curry (51:14)

Yes, here's the clip.

John C. Dvorak (51:15)

And by changing it from make to declare, the President can make war. And if they want to declare it, that's just. It shrunk the power. I mean, to say you declare war doesn't mean that much if you can't make war.

Adam Curry (51:31)

Exactly.

John C. Dvorak (51:31)

It's just you declare it. And it's only been done. The last time it was done was in World War II.

Adam Curry (51:36)

Here's you, here's you explaining that exact switch.

Expert/Guest (51:39)

The biggest mistake, as you say, the War Powers Resolution is that it orders the President to pull out troops and end fighting after an arbitrary 30 days or maybe some 60 days. And that means that Congress is actually interfering in the way the military is conducting combat operations, which is the President's power's commander in chief. And as you say, Mark, when the Constitution was first introduced in the Philadelphia Convention, the Constitution originally had said Congress has the power to make war. And that was changed to declare war because people thought that gave Congress too much authority. And I'd even point you to something else Madison said in the Virginia ratifying convention, which was the key convention to approve the Constitution. Patrick Henry actually got up and said he might have been the Bernie Sanders or AOC of his day. And he said, I'm worried about the President going off on military ventures. How are you going to stop him? James Madison doesn't get up and say the declare war clause will stop the President. Instead he says Congress will have to cut off funds because of the power of the purse is the ultimate check of the people on the executive branch.

Adam Curry (52:46)

Exactly. That's. And how come Congress, why don't they do that? Why don't they say we're not going to fund the war? Why not?

Expert/Guest (52:56)

What you just showed in your reporting in that clip, unfortunately, is that Democrats are playing politics with the Constitution and engaging in political posture and why we have men and women in the field. The post politics are apparent because as you just pointed out, you can look at President Obama in 2011, you could look at President Biden's strikes on the Houthis. The Democrats only think that the Constitution demands Congress's authorization for war when Republicans are president, when Democrats are president. These same people who are in the Congress at those times didn't raise a doubt, didn't draw anything into question. And I have to say President Trump put Congress on notice, even more so than any of these past Democratic presidents. Not only did he move all these forces into the region over time, but he attacked Iran just last June. If members of Congress wanted to stop the war in Iran, they had plenty of time to use the funding power, which is their ultimate power over war between June and now. And let's just say they know how to use the funding power when they want. Even when they pass a $900 billion spending bill for the Defense Department, they at the same time close down the Department of Homeland Security because Democrats are upset about the use of the Border Patrol in Minneapolis. So they know how to use the funding power. They want to. They just don't want to because they want to engage instead of political posturing against a Republican president.

Adam Curry (54:23)

I think that's part of it. I also also think they're all in the bag for the military industrial complex.

John C. Dvorak (54:28)

Sure. They have to be there. Turns out somebody did some research. There is one military industrial complex contractor in, except for maybe one or two, every single congressional district. And they're all little, sometimes little contractors, but they're always providing a lot of jobs. The whole place has been co opted by the military industrial complex. That's where we. That's our real source of gdp.

Adam Curry (54:55)

Yes. I'm sorry, Israel. Aipac. No, it's these guys. Yeah, it's what you do, industrial because.

John C. Dvorak (55:05)

And they do, you know, they've done a hell of a job.

Adam Curry (55:07)

Every single state in the union has some kind of military contractor. So there's not going to be a single representative or senator standing up saying, whoa, should pull the plug on that. No, no.

John C. Dvorak (55:21)

And sorry to let everyone get reelected.

Adam Curry (55:24)

No, sorry to let everybody down. But we are a war nation. It's what we. We're good at it.

John C. Dvorak (55:30)

We are good at it.

Adam Curry (55:32)

Only now we're doing it for us instead of for Britain and Europe. Where's that clip? So there's been all kinds of issues with Germany because Mr. Peepers thought he'd be cute and say Trump has no exit strategy.

John C. Dvorak (55:54)

I had a bunch of clips on that for the last couple of years.

Adam Curry (55:57)

I don't have them here. But, but. So he's trying to get back in graces, good graces, and says, oh, we'll help out. We've got something for you.

News Reporter (56:06)

Sent off with a fanfare in front of a crowd of curious onlookers, Fulda set sail from the port city of Kiel on Germany's Baltic Sea coast on Monday. The German minesweeper and its crew of up to 45 sailors are now heading to the Mediterranean and not to the Strait of Hormuz. Lose unless certain conditions are met, outlined by Germany's Defense Minister,

John C. Dvorak (56:31)

we are moving

Expert/Guest (56:32)

it in advance to the Mediterranean, making all the preparations we can.

Adam Curry (56:36)

So in the event of a ceasefire, a lasting truce or a framework under international law, we can obtain a mandate from the Bundestag, and as soon as

Expert/Guest (56:44)

that's in place, continue to operate.

News Reporter (56:47)

Fulda will be at sea for about two, two weeks. Germany has said the ship could be deployed to help clear underwater mines from the Strait of Hormuz in order to secure shipping routes which have been severely disrupted amid the U. S. Israel war with Iran. German Chancellor Friedrich Merz has underlined that Berlin remains far away from such a decision. 20% of global oil and gas passes through the Strait of Hormuz. Around 2,000 ships have been stuck since the war began at the end of February.

Adam Curry (57:18)

So the idea is once the war is over, then the Germans send their minesweeper to go find mines that don't exist. All they're going to find is a bunch of kamikaze dolphins. And for the troll room, when I say, yes, we are doing war for us, yes, we're doing war for us, we have always fought wars for Europe and for Britain, except for Vietnam War, and that was a really bad one. And so what has happened in that case?

John C. Dvorak (57:45)

That we were suckered by the French? Yes, we kind of fought that war for the French.

Adam Curry (57:49)

Thank you. So when I say we're fighting it for us, we're fighting it because we have not gotten any of the benefit of what's been going on, particularly in that region with oil, none of it. We Got screwed over and over and over again. And so now we have our own oil and screw Europe. Speaking of Roger McGuin, there's a time for war, there's a time for peace, there's a time for love, there's a time for hate. It's just a fact of life. You're all dreamers, dreamers. And how bad is this war? It's not bad. That sounds. I know it sounds cavalier, but considering the benefit we're getting and finally we're getting, because everything is changing for America. It's unbelievable how people can't see this. And maybe Trump will pull it off. Maybe.

John C. Dvorak (58:47)

Maybe this is maybe.

Adam Curry (58:49)

Maybe, maybe. And you know what? If you're talking about the New World Order and the they of the world, all you have to do is look at what's happening with the banking sector, look at what's happening with the Federal Reserve. You know, I had to look into that as well, because I wasn't convinced that the chair of the Federal Reserve is the only person who determines the rates. And it turns out he's not. And this is what's happening here with Chairman Powell saying, oh, okay, you can vote another guy in, but I'm staying on board so that he can tip the scales and they have more votes to do whatever the banks want. This banks. It's banks. The Federal Reserve, it's not government, it's banks. Here's Tim Scott. I think he's on the Finance Committee. You are also, as most people know, the chairman of the Banking Committee. You played a key role in moving

Expert/Guest (59:47)

Kevin Warsh as a committee to the full Senate. He'll be on a party line vote

John C. Dvorak (59:53)

at least confirms this pet chair.

Adam Curry (59:54)

Yep.

Expert/Guest (59:55)

Very soon, Jerome Powell, the man he's replacing, much to the chagrin of Mr. Trump.

Adam Curry (60:02)

Yes. Is staying on. What do you think about that, staying

Expert/Guest (60:06)

on as Fed governor?

Adam Curry (60:08)

It is in the law that he can do it.

John C. Dvorak (60:10)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (60:10)

So you could say that to the end of 2028, or maybe middle of 20, January 31, 2028, is when he would have to get off. The truth of the matter is he's breaking 75 years of precedent. Every time you get a new chairman, the former chairman leaves. That's good news, because what you don't want are these philosophies and conflict. And I think Jay Powell is making a significant mistake, significant decision, but really bad one, I think, is for the country and for the Fed. It would be best if he left.

Expert/Guest (60:42)

Right. Because the Fed, as you know, the chairman, doesn't have juvenile control.

John C. Dvorak (60:45)

Right.

Adam Curry (60:46)

Just for people that don't know this,

Expert/Guest (60:47)

he has to rule by some sort of consensus.

Adam Curry (60:49)

Exactly. And he would be there.

Expert/Guest (60:51)

So how do you get rid of him?

Adam Curry (60:52)

Prayer. Lord, we need some prayer on this issue. Honestly, I think it's going to be his decision. All signs point to his departure before 28, but I do think he's maybe just poking the president in the eye a little bit. I don't think so. I think he fully intends to stay on. And here's how the actual interest rate decisions are made on the FMOC.

Expert/Guest (61:20)

Fed Governor is appointed to 14 years, and once they are in that seat, they are extraordinarily difficult to remove by design, both to keep the Fed independent from political pressure and to stop governors from bowing to whoever happens to be in the White House in that decade. And it is actually the governorship, not the chairmanship, that carries most of the real power. Each governor gets a vote on the Federal Open Market Committee, which is the committee that actually sets interest rates. This committee is made up of seven governors from the Fed in Washington, of which one is the chairman, as well as representatives from five out of the 12 regional Federal Reserve branches to make a total of 12 voting parties out of this group. The chairman is more of a first amongst equals kind of role, responsible for communicating what the Fed is doing, running the meetings, and managing the institution's public face through press conferences. But the actual decisions on random rates themselves are made by a vote between everybody on the committee, with everybody getting an equal vote. Now, this is a problem for an administration that wants to use the chairmanship as a lever to crank down rates, because even a friendly chairman can be outvoted by the other 11 people in the room, which creates an even bigger problem for the administration.

Adam Curry (62:26)

Exactly. So Trump wants the rates lower. Everybody wants rates lower. Everybody. I want race lower.

John C. Dvorak (62:34)

Everybody wants.

Adam Curry (62:35)

Yep, everybody wants rates lower. But they're political. They're political. And I think that, you know, you lower the rates for banks, it's not necessarily good for banks all the time. I think they're very concerned. That's why Powell is staying on. And this is how it balances out. And Warsh, as good as President Trump thinks he is, will have no power

News Reporter (62:55)

based on the current board makeup. Are there people there who will disagree with Warsh, who would push back on some of these changes?

Adam Curry (63:00)

Absolutely.

Expert/Guest (63:01)

And remember, monetary policy is made by a committee.

Adam Curry (63:03)

The seven governors in Washington and five of the 12 Reserve bank presidents out in the region. And at today's meeting, three of those presidents basically fired a shot Across Kevin Warsh's bow, they said they did not want a statement that implied that the Fed's next move is to lower interest rates.

Expert/Guest (63:22)

So he's not going to be able

Adam Curry (63:23)

to do anything on interest rates very quickly because so many of the policy members are against him. And he still has to deal on

Expert/Guest (63:31)

major changes in faith communications and stuff.

Adam Curry (63:34)

He'll need a consensus of the board.

Expert/Guest (63:35)

So I suspect this will be a slow process.

Adam Curry (63:38)

Exactly. So it ain't over. It ain't over at all. And so what are they doing? They're rebuilding the International World Order, formerly known as the New World Order, with the bankers. And here is the central bankers, central banker, Prime Minister Carney of Canadia, and he's telling us exactly what they're going to do.

Expert/Guest (64:04)

The world is undergoing a rupture across

Adam Curry (64:07)

several dimensions, in technology, in energy and commerce and geopolitics. Integration is being used as a weapon by some, and the rules are not constraining the hegemons.

Expert/Guest (64:22)

Now we have to take on the

Adam Curry (64:24)

world as it is, not as we wish it to be.

Expert/Guest (64:26)

We know nostalgia is not a strategy, but we don't think that we're destined

Adam Curry (64:31)

to submit to a more transactional, insular, and brutal world. And gatherings such as these point to a better way forward.

Expert/Guest (64:39)

In closing, we're here because of your invitation. Again, thank you for that. But we're here because of the moral and security imperatives of our cooperation in the caucuses, in the Baltics, in Ukraine, across Europe, and also because of the immense potential for our partnerships to build

Adam Curry (64:59)

a better, more prosperous, sustainable, and just world for our citizens. And I'll close with this.

Expert/Guest (65:05)

It's my strong personal view that as the international order will be rebuilt, but it will be rebuilt out of Europe. And so I.

Adam Curry (65:15)

Very appreciative of the symbolism of this invitation.

John C. Dvorak (65:18)

Yeah, right, buddy.

Adam Curry (65:19)

Yeah. Out of Europe.

John C. Dvorak (65:20)

And, you know, did you notice that code, Code words he had in there that implied Trump? When you use the word trans, what is it? Transactional. Transactional means Trump. Trump. Yes.

Adam Curry (65:33)

Yeah, because Trump is breaking that apart. And it looks like the Macron brothers are the ones that are going to try and try and save the world or their world.

Expert/Guest (65:42)

The president of France Macron goes to China, spends about six hours meeting with Xi Jinping, and then on the flight back, he talks to a bunch of reporters. And here's what he told the reporters. He told the reporters, number one, that it's time for Europe to break away from the United States. Not to depend on the dollar, not to depend. So much on us to become their own third superpower. The second thing he says, which I found really interesting, was that Europe needs to make sure that they don't get involved in conflicts that are not their conflicts. Specifically that Europe should not be picking side on Taiwan between the United States and China. And so I think this is a good moment for us to ask Europe, does Macron speak for all of Europe? Is Macron now the head of Europe is now the most powerful leader in Europe? Because if he is, then there's some things we're going to need to change. Number one, you know, Europe, including France specifically, has depended heavily on the United States for 70 years for their own defense. In fact, when Macron tried to play global superpower and send troops to North Africa to fight terrorists, he couldn't even get his own troops there. We had to fly them there and we had to fly them back. He couldn't even get his own troops there. So if they're going to break off on their own and follow Macron's lead, that's going to save us a lot of money.

Adam Curry (66:51)

Okay, okay. Future. Future president. So here's Queen Ursula and she's stepping up to the plate now.

News Reporter (66:58)

Continent like ours with limited fossil fuels resources should lead the world on electrification. This is the reason why last December we proposed the grids package. Its goal is to make our energy and infrastructure fit for the electrification age. And I'm very glad that last week in Cyprus, the European Parliament, the Council, agreed to speed up the negotiations. And as a next step, we will put forward our electrification action plan.

Adam Curry (67:25)

Are they going to electrify everybody? I mean, didn't we, didn't we go through the electrocute? Didn't we go through the electrification age when, you know, in like the 1818, late 1800s? And these people are insanely stupid.

News Reporter (67:40)

By the summer, with an ambitious electrification target. And speaking of finances, in the current European budget we have set aside almost 300 billion euros for energy, 95 billion of which are not used so far. I know I'm preaching here almost in the wrong church, but let us use this to make the switch now to electricity, not just in transport, but also in industry.

Adam Curry (68:04)

And so she's talking about using electricity in industry. So are you going to use windmills and solar panels for your steel? Is that what I'm hearing? This makes no sense. And here's the numbers.

News Reporter (68:21)

This is the second energy crisis within four years and the lesson should be very clear. Our over dependency on imported fossil fuels makes us vulnerable.

Adam Curry (68:35)

They have a whole North Sea filled With fossil fuels.

News Reporter (68:39)

Let me give you two figures.

John C. Dvorak (68:41)

By the way, where does this electricity come from? So what she's saying or implying, I would say she's implying that all the electricity, none of the electricity is going to become from coal powered generators or natural gas powered generators or anything other than solar and wind and maybe some water. No.

Adam Curry (69:04)

Nuclear. She's going to add nuclear back into

John C. Dvorak (69:07)

the Nuclear is okay, but.

Adam Curry (69:09)

But they killed the four reactors.

John C. Dvorak (69:14)

If she wants to add nuclear, why did they shut down all the German reactors?

Adam Curry (69:18)

To kill Germany, which happens to be the industrial heart of the eu. They, they, they want serfs, they want dumb slaves to clean their homes.

John C. Dvorak (69:33)

What the culture. Suicidal. We've known this all along that the Europeans are suicidal. That's why they want war all the time. I mean, like you said, we've been selling them arms and ammunition. We still will be doing that.

Adam Curry (69:48)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (69:48)

That's what we do best, is make this stuff and they can go kill themselves.

Adam Curry (69:53)

So what is the show title that I need to write down?

John C. Dvorak (69:58)

Oh no. What?

Adam Curry (70:01)

I hear your computer bleeping. Is that.

John C. Dvorak (70:05)

No.

Adam Curry (70:05)

Yeah. Oh no, no. Okay, let's continue.

John C. Dvorak (70:08)

No, it's not me.

Adam Curry (70:09)

It's nonsense.

News Reporter (70:10)

In just 60 days of conflict, our bill for fossil fuel is imports has increased by over 27 billion euros without one single molecule of energy in addition. So the way forward is obvious. We must reduce our over dependency on imported fossil fuels and we must boost our homegrown affordable, clean energy supply from renewables to nuclear. In full respect of technology neutrality.

Adam Curry (70:45)

Of technology neutrality.

John C. Dvorak (70:47)

So does that mean.

Adam Curry (70:48)

I don't know. But the problem is with the green agenda in the eu you'll never get new nuclear plants. It'll take decades, decades for that to happen.

News Reporter (71:01)

Already today member states Suicidal.

Adam Curry (71:04)

I said, yeah, suicidal. But suicidal culture, suicidal queen suicide. We got to come up with some more.

News Reporter (71:12)

Low carbon sources in their energy mix are less impacted by the crisis. Take a country like Sweden. If there the gas price increases by €1 per megawatt hour. The electricity bill only increases by 0.€04 per megawatt hour because almost all of Sweden's electricity comes from renewables and nuclear. So this is how we insulate ourselves from future shocks. And this is the path to independence of Europe.

Adam Curry (71:49)

The problem with Sweden is they got immigrants burning cars all day long. So it's not all that fantastic in Sweden. And luckily there's a. This is a dead man walking. This is the Polish member of European Parliament, Dominique Tarzinski. And he laid it out and I hope he has good security you must

Expert/Guest (72:13)

have lost your mind. They just legalized residents of half a million illegal aliens. In France, they throw grenades into hair salons in a broad daylight. In Germany, not a single day goes by without someone being murdered with a knife. In Sweden, for example, you have bomb attack every other day. I can continue, but you just don't care. Those are not real problems for the European left wing politicians. No, you are going to solve the situation in Minnesota. You are seriously discussing here the rule of law in United States and criticizing American. American government for deporting illegal aliens, for deporting criminals out of their territory. In the same time, when western European cities are gradually turning into a war zones, we should do exactly the same. We should deport them from Europe and not legalize their stay. We should listen to them and not what you are proposing to all of us. Everybody can see. No. You are enemies of Europe. You hate Europe. You hate our nations and you want to destroy the future for our children.

Adam Curry (73:18)

We should stop you.

Expert/Guest (73:19)

We should defeat you politically if we want to survive. Otherwise, it will be the end of Europe.

Adam Curry (73:24)

Yes, exactly. The end of Europe.

John C. Dvorak (73:27)

Classic's been floating around.

Adam Curry (73:30)

He's great.

John C. Dvorak (73:31)

Yeah, he's the Nigel Farage of the era.

Adam Curry (73:34)

Yeah, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (73:36)

Without the understatement. No understatement with this guy.

Adam Curry (73:39)

No, more of him. More of him. So something that we've been talking about on the show for at least five years, ever since I met Texas Slim. And I'm going to play these clips because it shows you how long it takes government to get anything together, to get anything done. Even in a government that actually wants to get stuff done. This is about the meat packers. And Texas Slim was screaming this high heaven like there's a cartel. The meat packers, they're not even American companies. They're screwing the ranchers. This is why we have the lowest herd count ever. Not because of drought and all these other bull crap reasons. No, because there has been an absolute cartel of beef in the United States. And so now they're doing something about it with the new Ag Barbie. The Ag Ken. Ag Ken Barbie. Todd. Blanche.

John C. Dvorak (74:43)

All right.

Expert/Guest (74:43)

Good morning, everybody.

Adam Curry (74:45)

Today we are here to talk about

Expert/Guest (74:48)

our progress here at the Justice Department

Adam Curry (74:51)

to hold meatpackers accountable. As you all know, last November the

Expert/Guest (74:57)

President tasked the department to investigate the costs and prices of beef. As a result, we prioritize investigating potential antitrust violations in U.S. cattle and beef markets.

Adam Curry (75:12)

In the beef industry, the big four

Expert/Guest (75:14)

processors control over 85% of the beef processing market.

Adam Curry (75:21)

Two of the big four are primarily foreign owned.

Expert/Guest (75:25)

Multiple plant closures across the country. The current market structure and high concentration in the industry indicate anticompetitive activity. Since the President's executive order, the Department

Adam Curry (75:39)

has been actively investigating with a review of over 3 million documents.

Expert/Guest (75:44)

Hundreds of industry participants, including ranchers, cattlemen, producers and processors have been contacted and

Adam Curry (75:52)

many interviewed as part of this ongoing investigation.

Expert/Guest (75:57)

More broad broadly, the Department has also executed on the President's executive order to stop anti competitive behavior in the broader food supply market. Later this week, we will be announcing an historic settlement that will directly affect the prices of proteins like chicken, pork, and turkey.

Adam Curry (76:17)

This business model allows competitors to exchange competitively sensitive information on every aspect of the protein industry and has raised the

Expert/Guest (76:27)

prices on chicken, raised the prices on pork, and raised the prices on turkey.

Adam Curry (76:33)

So it's good that they're doing that. It's good they're breaking up this cartel. And, you know, luckily there's still, you know, Texas Slim. Somehow he got beef dot com. I don't know how he did that. So he's got beef.com and you can find your local rancher and do lots of stuff. And I like all this. I like what Blanche is doing. But then the most un American thing is like, I want our Justice Department. I want these guys in SWAT teams. I want them busting into these offices. I want boxes being carried out. I want JBS and Cargill and Tyson executives. I want him in handcuffs. I want perp walks. No. What do we do? We want snitches.

Expert/Guest (77:16)

There is more work to do, and we need your help.

Adam Curry (77:20)

I want to remind you, everyone and anyone in the industry that if you have information about antitrust crimes, about price

Expert/Guest (77:29)

fixing, bid rigging, market allocation, or even procurement fraud, the Department of Justice wants

Adam Curry (77:35)

to hear from you through our whistleblower

Expert/Guest (77:38)

rewards program, which we do in partnership with the United States Postal Inspection Service.

Adam Curry (77:43)

What, the Postmaster General's involved in this? Come on.

Expert/Guest (77:50)

You can be financially rewarded for coming

Adam Curry (77:52)

from forward with information about this behavior. Just to put a fine point on it, if your report, if the information

Expert/Guest (78:00)

you provide helps us secure a criminal

Adam Curry (78:03)

penalty in excess of $1 million, you can be entitled to recover and receive

Expert/Guest (78:10)

15 to 30% of that of the

Adam Curry (78:13)

money that we recover. So whether you're a farmer, a purchaser, a processor, you can help protect food

Expert/Guest (78:20)

security in America by reporting these types

Adam Curry (78:24)

of violations and potentially criminal conduct. We will use every law enforcement tool

Expert/Guest (78:31)

available to help reduce food prices and vigorously enforce the antitrust laws to ensure

Adam Curry (78:36)

every aspect of the agricultural industry competes on a fair playing field.

Expert/Guest (78:42)

If you See something, say something.

Adam Curry (78:46)

I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (78:46)

You know what this tells me?

News Reporter (78:49)

What?

John C. Dvorak (78:50)

They got nothing. They got nothing on these guys. This is all hope, this is snitching thing. It's just, oh my God. We can't prove a thing. These guys are on the up and up from what we can tell because we can't prove anything. Maybe we can get some snitches maybe. And maybe that'll do something because they got nothing. They're not going to get anywhere with this. This is a dead end. This is not going to go anywhere.

Adam Curry (79:16)

I don't like it.

John C. Dvorak (79:18)

Long ago, people that invol involved in price fixing knew how to do it. You do it through third parties. You do it by looking. What is what the airlines do? What is United charging for this flight to Chicago? What are we going to charge? Let's charge the same thing. I mean, you can't. This is nonsense. These, these four, these big four are dominating and they're going to continue to dominate unless they boil down to two or they become monopolists. But with this, with four of them, they look competitive. They're not. Yeah, but it's like light bulbs. The Westinghouse light bulb scandals in the past for price fixing.

Adam Curry (79:56)

Not just price fixing, but length of burn fixing.

John C. Dvorak (80:02)

Yeah, that whole thing. Was it five, by the way, LEDs do that now too. They crap out, of course. Let me you, I'm going to tell my LED story.

Adam Curry (80:13)

Well, let's first explain the Osram scandal. That's what that was. It was price fixing amongst the light bulb manufacturers. Not in price per se, but how many hours the light bulb would last. And I believe there's still a light bulb today that has been burning for over 110 years.

John C. Dvorak (80:31)

There's plenty of cool light bulbs that burn forever. Yeah, but the LEDs should burn forever. At least a lifetime of anybody that's living. So I, you know, I bought an LED bug bulb for the front porch 25 years ago. It was one of the first LEDs. American made LED light bulb. They couldn't get much power out of. It was nice and yellow and so I put it up.

Adam Curry (80:58)

Bug bulb.

John C. Dvorak (80:59)

A bug bulb.

Adam Curry (81:00)

Bug bulb. Oh, there's a show title. Bug Bulb. I like it.

John C. Dvorak (81:05)

So the bug bulb is still burning. Meanwhile, all these Chinese lamps I buy that are led, they burn out in a year. There's like, like filaments. What happens? They start to blink, blink, blink. They start flashing. You can't stop the. You turn it on and off. Maybe it stops for a while and then Starts blinking and flashing because the circuitry in the. In the bulb is no good. The junk. Junk. I tell you this. Every LED bulb you buy should last forever your lifetime.

Adam Curry (81:38)

Good for life.

John C. Dvorak (81:40)

Should be good for life. And none of them are. Except my bug bulb.

Adam Curry (81:45)

Wait, no. And you and your bulbs in your. In your 2009 Lexus.

John C. Dvorak (81:50)

There's another interesting. No, no, it's not. It was a 2000.

Adam Curry (81:54)

That was 2009.

John C. Dvorak (81:55)

No, no, no, no, no, NO. 2009, that's. That's a new car. It was a 2003. I think it's a. It's. It's 30 year old. Yes. How does that work? Every bulb in the Lexus, the interior lamps, everything. The headlights, the tail lights, everything. The bulbs never burn out. Where do they get these bulbs?

Adam Curry (82:27)

We're being screwed, Mr. Dvorak.

John C. Dvorak (82:29)

The whole thing is a giant scam.

Adam Curry (82:33)

I am so busy right now marking the recording. I got so many great openers from you.

John C. Dvorak (82:40)

Giant scam.

Adam Curry (82:41)

Well, you want to hear scam? All right, I'm going to set you up. I'm going to set you up with this. Here's the setup.

News Reporter (82:46)

Pennsylvania's Hershey company says it's seeing a jump in the sales of mints and gum, and they say it's all due to the rise of GLP1 weight loss drugs. The company says the sales of their icebreakers mints rose 8% in the first quarter of the year. Dental experts have linked the drugs to dry m. Mouth and some have complained of bad breath over dehydration caused by the medication.

Adam Curry (83:08)

Yes, and I want to say that I've noticed this. I've noticed women who are on the. On the. On the O. That they have bad O. Yeah. Ozempic. That they have bad breath. This is very noticeable, particularly particularly in church.

John C. Dvorak (83:27)

Yeah, particularly in church.

Adam Curry (83:31)

I'm not pointing anybody out, but I'm just like, you know, girls, you're on the O and your breath is hawking. But that's.

John C. Dvorak (83:39)

What does it smell like?

Adam Curry (83:40)

Death warmed over. Just nasty. You know, it's. It has to do, I think. Has to do with. What is it? What is the word? Ketones. Thank you. Thank you. Ketones. Yeah, that's to do with ketones. Rapid weight loss can do that, but it doesn't matter because here is a no agenda show prediction come true in the worst possible way through our president today.

John C. Dvorak (84:09)

I'm thrilled to announce that starting on July 1, we will also provide Medicare patients with the coverage for weight loss drugs like Ozempic.

Adam Curry (84:19)

There it is. There it is. We knew it was coming. Now it's not the bonanza they thought it was going to be.

John C. Dvorak (84:26)

Zeppelin, WeGovy. We will be available for $50 a month.

Expert/Guest (84:34)

$50.

John C. Dvorak (84:36)

Wow.

Adam Curry (84:37)

50.

John C. Dvorak (84:38)

Now think of that, $50 a month. So if it was $1300, now it's $50. And the 1300 doesn't cover a whole month.

Expert/Guest (84:49)

So it's really even more than that, the fat vax.

John C. Dvorak (84:52)

So it's now down to $50. So that's where you get it. And also. And you remember when I cut insulin?

Adam Curry (85:00)

Oh yeah. And it goes into the whole insulin

John C. Dvorak (85:02)

thing, blah blah, blah.

Adam Curry (85:03)

So there it is. Now it's not the bonanza they wanted it to be. And I think you still have to pay for it yourself. Is Medicare picking up a piece of the cost or how does that work?

John C. Dvorak (85:16)

It must be.

Adam Curry (85:17)

I mean I can't imagine that they're like, okay, 50 bucks.

John C. Dvorak (85:21)

No, no, no. There's. Medicare is being drained. You know, it's being eviscerated by these various, you know, dry, overpriced drugs that. They're overpriced on purpose. And the ridiculous amount of prescriptions that are going out. Yeah, that's why it's going to be bankrupt in no time. I'm going to be one of the last people on Medicare.

Adam Curry (85:44)

I'll never make it.

John C. Dvorak (85:46)

I don't think so. They're going out of there. You can just.

Adam Curry (85:50)

Four years to go.

John C. Dvorak (85:51)

You can sense it when you're in the system that they're doing everything they can to drain it. Yeah, Any life force.

Adam Curry (85:59)

So RFK Jr trying. Trying to do some stuff. Trying. But I.

John C. Dvorak (86:08)

He's hopeless.

Adam Curry (86:09)

I think it is hopeless. Here he is on the SSRIs, which we call the Modern. The Modern MK Ultra in Washington. The United States does not just face a mental health crisis. We face a dependency crisis driven by over medicalization.

News Reporter (86:26)

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Announced a plan yesterday to rein in what he's called Americans overuse of antidepressants.

Adam Curry (86:34)

We will no longer treat them as the default. We will treat them as one option.

News Reporter (86:40)

Kennedy has narrowed in specifically on SSRIs, the most widely prescribed class of antidepressants. That includes household names like Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac.

John C. Dvorak (86:50)

Back.

News Reporter (86:51)

The user base is huge. Roughly one in six Americans reported taking an SSRI this year.

Adam Curry (86:57)

One in six.

News Reporter (86:58)

Kennedy acknowledged that patients can benefit from them. And he stressed that he wasn't telling anyone to just stop.

Adam Curry (87:04)

No.

News Reporter (87:05)

He argued that too many people start taking the meds without knowing how long they'll stay on them and with no plan to come off. He has singled out SSRIS before. He's previously claimed without evidence that they are partly responsible the rise in school shootings things and that they can be harder to quit than heroin, something he repeated yesterday. For his new effort, Kennedy announced several initiatives like trainings and new guidelines to nudge clinicians to help patients get off medications and consider other treatment options like therapy or exercise. No major medical organizations were represented at yesterday's event, of course.

Adam Curry (87:46)

No, of course not. But.

News Reporter (87:48)

But.

Adam Curry (87:49)

So this news is slowly, slowly getting through the. And you and I agree that there's probably a lot of people who listen to our podcast who are on SSRIs.

John C. Dvorak (87:58)

One in six.

Adam Curry (88:00)

So we say this not to scorn you, but to try and help you because we've been following the SSRI MKUltra for a long time and they stop reporting on shooters if they were on SSRIs or not. You can never get that information. And you can't get that information because they're advertising advertised on television. Another thing, RFK Jr said that he would stop with the swipe of a pen if he was president.

John C. Dvorak (88:28)

Yes, somebody pointed out that. Yeah, but comments were when he was running for president, even though he should have the exact same goals.

Adam Curry (88:35)

Yes. And this president should be able to do that and he should. So here is Ella Emhoff.

John C. Dvorak (88:44)

Yeah, you know, this is funny because I was looking at this clip and I said I get this clip of Ella and I decided against it. But I'm glad you got it because it's an example of people that are stuck on these. And by the way, shocker, she takes these things.

Adam Curry (89:01)

Yeah, she was crocheting in Brooklyn when she heard the news.

News Reporter (89:07)

I'm just sitting here crocheting.

Adam Curry (89:08)

And just so people know, Ella Emhoff is Kamala Harris's stepdaughter.

News Reporter (89:12)

I'm just sitting here crocheting, waiting for a friend. And I was just listening to this podcast that the Wall Street Journal put

Expert/Guest (89:19)

out about SSRIs and antianxiety meds and

News Reporter (89:23)

kind of the over prescription of them in America. And it was making me think a lot because I've been on SSRIs for over a decade, almost 15 years probably. And they were calling out the lack of research on long term use of these things. They were calling out the lack of information that doctors give about coming off of these meds and kind of the cycle psychological effects they can have.

Expert/Guest (89:53)

And it really got me thinking how little I've thought about that naively, obviously.

News Reporter (90:00)

But I've noticed that every time I've

Expert/Guest (90:02)

gone off of it for a week

News Reporter (90:03)

or missed it or for whatever reason,

Expert/Guest (90:06)

like, it has been really hard for me and I've had a really hard time. And I guess this is just something I was wondering if you guys have thought about or relate to or kind of consider when you're thinking about going on meds like that.

Adam Curry (90:21)

Meds.

News Reporter (90:22)

Because I don't know if this is

Expert/Guest (90:23)

something that I feel like is being

News Reporter (90:25)

talked about enough because I feel like

Expert/Guest (90:29)

so many of us are on these meds and this is like actually happening. Like people get off of them and they kind of break down and it could be really bad. So, yeah, I guess I just want your general thoughts.

Adam Curry (90:42)

Yeah, my general thoughts are, girl, I pray for you. And you know, it's very difficult to quit these meds because you get brain zaps and all kinds of horrible things. And, you know, Agenda show is going to go one step further. We are going to play a clip which may be shocking to some. So parents, younger children probably shouldn't hear this. They may not understand all the words necessarily. This is a Health and Human Services testimony from a woman named Lauren, and she is testifying about pssd, which we talked about on the show before, which may be responsible for the incredible low birth rate we have. Because people on these meds don't want to have sex. And sex, in fact, is not pleasurable for them. Love is not even capable for them.

News Reporter (91:32)

So the hallmark symptom of PSSD is genital numbness. Yes, like complete loss gossip sensation in your genitals. For me, I clearly hate to talk about this, but my clitoris is completely numb, as if it's the back of my elbow. I have no sensation internally. I'm 23 years old. Sufferers also lose the ability to orgasm permanently, like for the rest of their lives and their libido entirely. Which for me and what a lot of other people experience is like a sudden onset, like chemical asexuality that just never goes away. And in my opinion, I don't think it's sensational to say that this is a form of chemical castration, that it is permanent. But beyond that, PSSD is not just a loss of sexual function, but a loss for some people of emotional function as well. That has been the case for me before this. I was a super emotional, empathetic, loving, caring like Sylvia Plath, reading and resonating girl. And. And the day I woke up with this injury, I quite literally felt my soul leave my Body like, I'm so serious. It was the most unbelievable, inorganic thing I've ever experienced. And it's a common symptom of people who have this condition to this day. It's been years for me. I'm 23 now. I can't feel love for my own

John C. Dvorak (92:47)

mother, which is the hardest thing on Earth.

Adam Curry (92:50)

Dude, this is poison. This is poison. This is very bad. You know, they're not going to play this on CNN because that's their bread and butter. Their bread and butter.

John C. Dvorak (93:05)

Terrible situation.

Adam Curry (93:07)

So you sent me two clips. You sent me a clip of trigonometry. What is the podcast? Yeah, podcast Trigonometry and an Adam Carolla podcast. And they were both about this woman, Helen Andrews, who wrote an essay, which after you send me those clips, I'm like, I've heard about this lady. I go, look it up.

John C. Dvorak (93:31)

Yeah, the essay's famous.

Adam Curry (93:32)

Yeah, it's a famous essay. And so I was able to pull three really short clips all around 40 seconds from a speech she gave. And she. In this essay, which is linked in the show notes, she very clearly explains how wokeness. And really, she calls it the feminization of America. But really, the world is ruining us. Do you want to add anything to it before I play these?

John C. Dvorak (94:01)

Well, I thought Carolla's take on it, and I'm not a Carolla fan, you

Adam Curry (94:08)

know, he invented podcasting, you know.

John C. Dvorak (94:11)

Yeah, yeah, that's what I've heard. I thought his take on it was quite. It was a little nonchalant take that was mostly reflective of what's going on in Los Angeles. And of course, we have the Spencer Pratt guy that's kicking ass with almost a daily new AI ad. That's phenomenal. Yeah, they are getting some great models.

Adam Curry (94:36)

They're getting some traction, that's for sure.

John C. Dvorak (94:38)

Yeah. Which was. Which derives a bit from this one. But he says he's been working on his thoughts for 15 years about this. About this issue. About the feminization issue issue.

Adam Curry (94:52)

Yeah, Also.

John C. Dvorak (94:53)

And part of it was just to summarize, women like to talk, and once they're satisfied by talking about fixing something, but it's the men who actually get the work done. Women do get work done, but they can also just talk, talk, talk, and never get anything done.

Adam Curry (95:14)

Here's the intro.

News Reporter (95:17)

The libertarian economist Tyler Cowan once wrote a blog post post describing all of the revolutions he's seen in the course of his lifetime, starting with the moon landing when he was a little boy, and going up chronologically to today's advent of AI and there were only seven revolutions on this list because this was only the greatest and most earth shaking ones. And right there between the fall of communism and the invention of the Internet was something called the Great Feminization. That is not a phrase that a lot of Americans know, but future historians may well rank it as having greater importance than almost any other revolution on

Adam Curry (95:59)

that list, including communism. So here's a brief description.

News Reporter (96:04)

I have referred several times so far to feminization without defining what that means. I'll have a lot to say about it in just a moment, but if you want to put it in a single sentence, you could say that feminization equals wokeness. Everything you think of as wokeness is simply an epiphenomenon of demographic feminization. Think about all the things that wokeness means. Valuing empathy over rationality, safety over risk, conformity and cohesion over competition and hierarchy. All of, all of these things are privileging the feminine over the masculine.

Adam Curry (96:42)

And it makes so much sense that the Democrat party uses this because it activates women. It really does activate them. When you have a class that is suppressed, like, oh, oh yeah, oh yeah. No, this is horrible. We have to do something about this, that this is the Karens, the white liberal women of America, certainly. And it's kind of frightening when you read this essay and you see all the fields that have been now really taken over by women. Education, psychology,

John C. Dvorak (97:30)

medicine.

Adam Curry (97:31)

Medicine, yeah. Oh yeah. How about COVID David, Burks and Wolinsky? And was it Wolinsky? Wolinsky, I think her name was. Yeah, yeah. Shut it down, Shut it down. Shut them in. Everybody stay home. There was no masculine female mayors. Female mayors. How about Queen Ursula? All of this stuff. And she is also skeptical that this can be turned around. But she does have one recommendation where we should start if we want to defeminize.

News Reporter (98:05)

So that's agenda item number one. Get rid of all the HR ladies. Who's with me? Just fire them and then we'll see how it shakes out. If your company has too few women, that might indicate that you have a problem with your recruiting pipeline. On the other hand, it might not. Either way, we're not going to send a team of lawyers after you to second guess you.

Adam Curry (98:25)

Yeah, and it's not that women are bad. It's just when women control certain sectors or industries or policy, they don't necessarily have a get it done way of doing things. Climate change is another great example. You know, how many meetings, how many hundreds of billions of dollars do we not have in meetings about doing. And they never get there because nothing to nowhere to get any meetings. Yeah, just meetings and meetings and meetings and meetings.

John C. Dvorak (98:58)

That's because they. The need for consensus.

Adam Curry (99:01)

Consensus. Yeah. It was really. And I think a lot of women will read this and go, that's interesting.

John C. Dvorak (99:07)

Yeah. A lot of them would be irked about it.

Adam Curry (99:09)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (99:09)

Probably your sexism doesn't help my sexism.

Adam Curry (99:17)

Really not. Yeah. See, what we need is a president who says stuff like this.

John C. Dvorak (99:23)

We provided 100% expensing and bonus appreciation, which is tremendous. One of the biggest things that you have, I mean it's. People have no idea how big that is. Businesses do. So that businesses can deduct 100% of the cost of new facilities, equipment and capital investment in the first year. It used to take three 38 years of deduction. Now you get it done in one. You can take one so you can expand. I think that's what made us so successful in the first term. And now we have it for a 10 year period. So you have it for a while. I really was going to make it for a one year period. That would mean you spend all your money immediately. Now, unfortunately I gave you too much time.

Expert/Guest (100:02)

I was sort of against that. I said let's do it for a

John C. Dvorak (100:05)

shorter period of time. But we did it. It's the right thing. And this way we. When I get out of office in let's say eight or nine years from now, I'll be able to use it. I'll be able to use it myself. Yeah, baby.

Adam Curry (100:23)

That's great.

John C. Dvorak (100:26)

Let's talk about climate change for a minute. All right.

Adam Curry (100:29)

All right. Climate change.

John C. Dvorak (100:30)

I got to do some funny clips here, but I had. There's a very interesting follow up clip. This climate it New Orleans needs to prepare.

News Reporter (100:39)

New Orleans is a vibrant city, home of the French Quarter and the birthplace of jazz.

Adam Curry (100:44)

Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans?

News Reporter (100:50)

It's hard to imagine that it all might disappear yet. That's the verdict of a study published this week in the Nature Sustainability Journal. It finds that sea level rise means the city could end up being surrounded by the Gulf of Mexico by the end of the century. Jesse Keenan is one of the city's co authors and director of the center on Climate Change and Urbanism at Tulane University. And he joins me now. Professor, good morning.

Expert/Guest (101:16)

Thank you so much for having me.

News Reporter (101:18)

Is New Orleans doomed?

Expert/Guest (101:20)

Well, what we see is that currently atmospheric temperatures are roughly where they were during the last interglacial, about 125 to 150,000 years ago. Now there's a lag between global temperatures and sea level rise.

John C. Dvorak (101:35)

But when we begin to add it

Expert/Guest (101:36)

up, there's a recognition that New Orleans has a matter of generations to prepare for a transition north to the mainland and away from the coast.

News Reporter (101:47)

So a transition, is relocation the only option for New Orleans?

Expert/Guest (101:51)

Well, we don't really get into the engineering specifics, but it's generally agreed that it would be nearly impossible to engineer a multi purpose levy and dike system around New Orleans. About 80% of New Orleans land area is underwater or below sea level. I should say it's essentially a bowl. You can think about it in those terms. So to be surrounded by open water and be exposed to increasingly stronger hurricanes, the land itself is sinking and the seas are rising. So that combination really makes it nearly impossible to be able to engineer a solution to keep New Orleans afloat.

Adam Curry (102:26)

Did you see this? That Mexico City is sinking by half an inch a year?

John C. Dvorak (102:32)

Yeah, it's been doing that forever.

Adam Curry (102:34)

Yeah. Well, doesn't that eventually become. Don't they wind up in Australia or something?

John C. Dvorak (102:39)

I like China.

Adam Curry (102:40)

China,

John C. Dvorak (102:43)

yeah, it's been doing that forever. Well, so is Venice.

Adam Curry (102:46)

Yeah, well, Venice, yeah, Venice is definitely. I mean that thing's underwater every.

John C. Dvorak (102:52)

Every three weeks, constantly sinking. Well, yeah, let's go to part two of this and then we can get the. Then we bring an expert in.

News Reporter (102:59)

Now it's important to note the study predicts the surrounding of New Orleans and even the possible submersion of New Orleans sometime in the future. And you don't know exactly, fish flopping

Adam Curry (103:10)

on the streets and that will be.

News Reporter (103:12)

But is anyone actually making plans for this possibility in the future?

Expert/Guest (103:16)

Well, I wouldn't say it's so much of a prediction is that the geological evidence and the paleoclimatic evidence points us in the direction that New Orleans will be surrounded by open water. And it is very likely that it will be inundated. That question, whether we have decades or maybe over a century to go, is in a way open to science. But the real question is when and

John C. Dvorak (103:39)

what does it mean to begin to

Expert/Guest (103:40)

plan a transition of the population, of businesses, of capital?

John C. Dvorak (103:44)

And that's the challenge we have ahead

Expert/Guest (103:46)

of us in terms of public policy. There is not currently planning by the city or the state to begin this transition.

Adam Curry (103:52)

What we have seen in recent years,

Expert/Guest (103:54)

which is critical, as we highlight in our work, is that there has been sediment diversion from the Mississippi river that can build land. And by building land in and around New Orleans, you can buy time and buying Time is the most critical aspect here. Now that project was killed by the governor just last year as not being particularly cost effective as it was argued. The reality is much more of the expense of that project was actually paid for by BP oil spill money from a number of years ago. So the reality is that every decade that we can buy to help transition is critical for the success of environmental management, environmental quality, what we leave behind, but also the humane treatment of people that are otherwise going to find themselves in a very difficult situation in the decades to come.

Adam Curry (104:39)

I still don't understand exactly what climate change has to do with it. And what is the solution that they're proposing?

John C. Dvorak (104:47)

Moving the city.

Adam Curry (104:49)

Oh, moving the city. Moving the city, yes.

John C. Dvorak (104:53)

Move it, get it out of there. Going to sink. So here's this guy. I thought this would be a nice counterbalance. This guy, Greg Braden, a professor, climato, logical climatologist. Guy's not bought off.

Expert/Guest (105:13)

Off.

John C. Dvorak (105:14)

Listen to this little, little piece by this, by, by this guy on climate change in general.

Expert/Guest (105:22)

Another example I'm going to use climate change. As a geologist, I'm very passionate about this.

Adam Curry (105:28)

You believe in it?

Expert/Guest (105:29)

Climate change is a fact I've been, I've been talking about since. No, I've been talking about since 1979. It's also a fact that humans are not causing it. Humans are not causing it. And the real scientists know how far farts. It's not the cows. I'll just, I'll tell you. I mean, NASA knows this. NASA knows that over 90% of the CO2 there is an increase in CO2. Okay, it's just, I made a statement and I want to, I just want to justify this. Is there more CO2 in the atmosphere now than there was 10 years, 20, 50, 100 years ago? The answer is absolutely yes. Is it a bad thing? The answer is no. Is it the most we've ever had? We're right about 440 parts per million right now in geologic history. We're looking Cretaceous, over a thousand. Or the Jurassic over a thousand parts per million. Triassic, 2000 parts per million. The Earth was lush, the Earth was green. Life was abundant during that time. And what we see in geologic history, and this is fascinating me, there are times when CO2 levels are high and the temperatures are low and times when just the opposite is happening. It's not necessarily a one to one correlation. Where's the CO2 coming from? NASA knows. I've got it. I've got a bunch of videos on this. Over 90% of the CO2 is coming from the oceans. Warming. Warm water holds less gas. Here's the kicker. The oceans are warming from underneath, not from the top. If it was from the CO2 on the top, you know, the warming of the air, it would be coming from the top. It's warming. The glaciers are melting from underneath. The CO2 is coming. The oceans are warming from underneath from tectonic processes that happen about every 12,500 years that people just don't want to talk about. It is a. A tectonic process that begins in the core, translates perturbations into the mantle, into the crust, the weak areas of the crust. You see more tectonic activity, more volcanic activity was exactly what. What we're seeing.

Adam Curry (107:24)

Give this guy the hook. He's not, he's. He said the wrong things. That's not right.

Expert/Guest (107:29)

Right.

Adam Curry (107:31)

Yeah. So your point being? We still got.

John C. Dvorak (107:35)

Don't bullshit.

Adam Curry (107:36)

We still got to move New Orleans.

John C. Dvorak (107:38)

Yeah, well, move New Orleans.

Adam Curry (107:40)

Move New Orleans.

John C. Dvorak (107:41)

Probably don't have to. Probably don't have to.

Adam Curry (107:45)

Here's a question for you. Did you ever meet Ted Turner?

John C. Dvorak (107:49)

I never met Ted Turner. Will Hurst told me a couple of stories because he's met 10 Ted Turner. And his only story about Ted Turner is there is a. There was a line to the bar and there was somebody standing there, looked like they were in the line, but they weren't in the line and the line moved and Ted was behind these people. Hearst witnessed this as. I just thought it was a funny story. And he says, Turner says that the guys, hey, are you in the line? Could get drinks. And the guy said, no, I'm just standing here. So they get the fuck out of the way. And he says, that was Ted Turner.

Adam Curry (108:29)

That sounds like Ted Turner. And I will just say, you do not want to be proclaimed dead by me on the podcast because I think I said he was dead just a couple weeks ago. And so now he's dead.

John C. Dvorak (108:43)

Thank you very much.

Expert/Guest (108:44)

Keenan 3, 8 yesterday.

Adam Curry (108:45)

Ted Turner was never a man to shy away from a challenge on land or sea.

Expert/Guest (108:52)

Whether bringing the ability America's cup back

Adam Curry (108:54)

to the US oh yeah.

Expert/Guest (108:55)

Saving the American Bison, getting the Atlanta

Adam Curry (108:59)

Braves to the World Series. Or changing the way we all consumed news.

Expert/Guest (109:05)

The skies over Baghdad have been illuminated cover wars now largely because of the

Adam Curry (109:11)

way CNN covered the first Gulf War live.

Expert/Guest (109:14)

We intend to cover all the news, all the time.

Adam Curry (109:17)

She was a hard drinking, cigar smoke.

Expert/Guest (109:20)

He had kind of an Ernest Hemingway

Adam Curry (109:22)

vibe, just with deeper pockets.

John C. Dvorak (109:24)

I get thousands, millions and billions mixed up.

Adam Curry (109:27)

Turner had all kinds of nicknames the Mouth from the south and captain outrageous. In 2018, though, he disclosed to CBS Sunday Morning's Ted Koppel that he was fighting Lewy body dementia.

Expert/Guest (109:39)

It's a mild case of what people have Alzheimer's. His memory back then hadn't forgotten his three marriages, especially the one to Jane Fonda. Have you ever quite got over her?

John C. Dvorak (109:55)

No.

Adam Curry (109:56)

Do you think you ever will? No.

Expert/Guest (109:58)

When you love somebody and you really love them, you never stop loving them.

Adam Curry (110:03)

He never got over his love of the American west either. And his philanthropic efforts will live on in perpetuity. We don't really own anything, he said. We just borrow it for a while. Yeah, that was he. He still made 87. That's pretty good considering how he lived. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (110:24)

You know, he was a V different. Definitely had some insights into cable.

Adam Curry (110:30)

Oh, man, he was so right about that. And they laughed at him. They laughed. Didn't. Did he. He had WTBs first. Right. Superstation, TBS.

John C. Dvorak (110:40)

I can't remember the whole history, but the fact is that they laughed at him a lot and said he's full. He didn't know what he was doing. Was very. Yes. Very common in the early days of cable.

Adam Curry (110:49)

Yeah. Superstation wtbs, that was.

John C. Dvorak (110:54)

So it was tbs, Turner Broadcasting System.

Adam Curry (110:56)

So that was a superstation first. Which meant he syndicated through a whole bunch of television stations and later via satellite or maybe the distribution was through satellite. But the big thing he did did is he would take old movies. Cheap or cheaper than first run stuff. He'd take old movies and he would play them at 11:05 and 8:05 because he knew that when people had seen the headlines on the news and were bored, they would be switching around and then they'd hit the beginning of one of his movies. And it was genius. Until podcasting came along.

John C. Dvorak (111:39)

Yeah. Which changed everything.

Adam Curry (111:43)

It sure did.

John C. Dvorak (111:43)

Baby, let's. I gotta cut some. One more Tucker Carlson thing. I want to get out of the way.

Adam Curry (111:51)

Oh, man. I finally watched that whole Lulu interview with him. It's kind of. It's kind of nutty.

John C. Dvorak (111:59)

Well, he's like. He's. There's something's up. I'm convinced now that either he's got a mental condition.

Adam Curry (112:06)

Meds.

John C. Dvorak (112:08)

Or there's meds. Now that you mentioned. It's possible meds. And the fact that he forgot. He didn't. Well, I don't know what the Antichrist is. And all that stuff we played those clips last show I thought were very revealing about. Maybe it's a cry for help. Maybe it's A signal. Maybe it's code. I don't know.

Adam Curry (112:26)

Know.

John C. Dvorak (112:27)

But he pulls the stunt with. He pulls a similar stunt with Dave Rubin, who got irked about it. Tucker casually says Dave didn't know who Dave Rubin was. And Dave Rubin played the clip on his show and then blasted Tucker because Tucker even blurbed his book and he'd been to his house and on and on. And this is the Tucker redux Dave Rubin piece.

Expert/Guest (112:55)

Dave Rubin, whoever that is, is he conserv.

Adam Curry (112:58)

Okay, I guess, whatever.

Expert/Guest (113:01)

You know, it's funny. Tucker, is he conservative? Well, first off, I. As I often point out, I'm actually not a conservative in the. In the strictest capital C sense of conservative. But I do believe that defending my liberal positions has become a conservative value. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But also, Tucker, you blurbed my book on classical liberalism. He read it for you. Here, I'll even put you. I know you are a big fan of doing this because it makes you look like you're smart. Dave Rubin is one of the bravest, smartest people I know, as well as a tremendous television presence.

John C. Dvorak (113:31)

So who changed since then? Is it me or is it you, buddy?

Expert/Guest (113:34)

Is it me or is it you? It's not me. Tucker also literally walked into my house because I was one of the first people to have the home studio and gone independent. And I think his actual quote was, holy effin. Holy effin. Shit, you did it. You did it. The blurb of the book, when he signed his last book to me said, you're doing it for all the guys stuck at corporate jobs or something like that. Again, I tried to broker a piece

Adam Curry (114:02)

with him and Ben, but the reason

Expert/Guest (114:03)

I'm doing this, you know, I don't. As you guys know, I don't like doing the things about people that I've known or I was friends with or just when I've been through. Just that I knew Cenk and Hassan and Candace and all these people. It's weird. I think about it a lot. Like, how did this happen to me? But this guy, he is a fraud.

John C. Dvorak (114:19)

Like, there were plenty more videos.

Expert/Guest (114:21)

We got into it before the show because there were so many of them that it's like, how many times this guy have to expose himself and people

Adam Curry (114:27)

realize he's making things up. Now, this. This is. I think this is something else. This is the video. The video thing. This is. This is why we're still here hanging on by our fingernails. But we're still here. Here is. Once you get into video, people need it's just. It's like an obsession, you know, and you have to fight with somebody else on video. It's a thing. It's the era we're in right now. And everyone thinks video, video, video. And we need to be on video. I gotta be on video. And then I can fight Candace, and Candace can fight Erica, and Erica can fight. Can fight Ben Shapiro, and Ben Shapiro can fight Tucker, and Tucker can fight, you know, Ben Shapiro can fight Dave Smith, and Dave Smith goes on Joe Rogan and Joe. It's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's going to implode.

John C. Dvorak (115:19)

Well, it's definitely boring.

Adam Curry (115:21)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (115:21)

But watching these guys do a rotation. But I still think there's more to it than that with Tucker because something's up and he. And now we're starting to see some attacks.

Adam Curry (115:32)

Do you think it could be an actual illness? I don't want to make light of it.

John C. Dvorak (115:36)

Well, that could be this possible. But I think. I think whatever the case is, they're going after Tucker. Listen to this. Well, of course, one of the. This podcast. This is Tucker funding. They're going after the fact that he's hooked up with the Qataris. But he's not really. But yes, he is.

Adam Curry (115:51)

Oh, man.

Expert/Guest (115:53)

Did you guys know that when he started the Tucker Carlson Network, do you know who started up the funding of his network? This is. This is public knowledge. The guy's name. He runs a company, company called 1789 Capital, an investment firm that was founded by Omid Malik. He funded the launch of the Tucker Carlson Network. He's a Muslim man. $15 million he gave to Tucker Carlson. Many other credible sources are saying that since January, Qatar, wealthy Islamic nation, is funding Tucker Carlson. If you.

Adam Curry (116:30)

You give me $15 million, I might

Expert/Guest (116:32)

not think Sharia law is that bad either.

John C. Dvorak (116:34)

Exactly.

Adam Curry (116:36)

Yeah, whatever. We shouldn't participate in this.

John C. Dvorak (116:40)

Yeah, we should.

Adam Curry (116:41)

No, no, I love it.

John C. Dvorak (116:44)

I know you, but you don't have to. I can get the clips and then you'll poach me later when you get a good one.

Adam Curry (116:50)

Well, I mean, someone's got to save the show.

John C. Dvorak (116:53)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (116:54)

So I'll. Here's the fight that I am interested in, which. Which is just not a lot of. There's not a lot of information about it. And I guess there's no cameras in the courtroom. This Elon Musk versus Sam Altman.

John C. Dvorak (117:11)

Yeah, it's right here in Oakland.

Adam Curry (117:14)

This is interesting. I have one clip from cnbc. All right, developing story. Getting some news now in the blockbuster

Expert/Guest (117:20)

courtroom fight between Sam Altman and Elon Musk.

Adam Curry (117:22)

Kate Rooney has that for us. What are we learning?

News Reporter (117:24)

Hey, Scott. So we're learning a bit from Greg Brockman. He was the President of OpenAI or is the President of OpenAI now. He was the co founder. Wrapping up his testimony this afternoon over in Oakland. It's week two of this Elon Musk versus OpenAI tribal trial. We did get news that OpenAI plans to spend $50 billion in compute at least for the rest of this year. That was one big headline. Brockman, as I mentioned, co founder of the company. He answered a lot of questions, questions about his personal financial ambitions. So he has what he described as a $30 billion stake in this company at this point. He kept a journal to document professional events in his life, personal events. That has been a big highlight and a big piece of evidence in this trial. Musk's personality and leadership style also came up in Brockman's testimony. Musk has claimed that he is responsible for helping recruit some of the key players in OpenAI and therefore deserves a lot of credit and has talked about that in his own testimony. Brockman talked about his reputation of being extremely hard driving and that certain candidates were very attracted by that, but others didn't like it as much and it actually wasn't as big of a deal in terms of recruiting. So that just was a big topic of conversation overall. He did also talk a bit about overall Musk's just leadership style. We did get a moment that he talked about of Musk tearing eight painting of a Tesla off the wall. Scott, but that's the latest. He's wrapping up that testimony and we are expecting to get Siobhan Zealous who's a close, close executive of Musk, also the mother of his children. The backdrop here, of course, Musk has sued open Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, alleging that they essentially, as Musk put it, stole a charity.

Adam Curry (119:01)

What do you think is going to come out of that? I mean it does. The way they finagle that, turning a nonprofit into a for profit, it seems, seems sketchy.

John C. Dvorak (119:10)

I think what's going to come out of Musk is going to get his money back.

Adam Curry (119:14)

But that would be the easiest way for him.

John C. Dvorak (119:16)

Yeah, and that would be. It's not that much compared to what they claim they're spending. But the thing about Musk, I have to say is you have to judge the results, not the, the commentary. And when they, I have to assume and I could be wrong, but I don't see how you could, could. I don't see how it, how it could be. But Musk is, has to be a judge of character in terms of people working for him that is, that is unparalleled. He has to be the guy who picks people that know what they're doing or do it well. And I think his influence on that company probably was more than this guy. Musk sent a few people over but they were no good or we didn't like them or whatever. I'm not buying it. I think that Musk, they run the SpaceX and all these other operations and to do the kind of financial dealing things and to sue in a certain way and get billions of dollars left and right, he's got to have a skill set that is just that we can't fully understand. And it has to do with picking people which I always thought that you get a guy who knows how to pick an executive to help him run a business smarter than you got certain kinds of skills might be dependent a little bit. Bit is, is non trivial.

Expert/Guest (120:40)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (120:41)

You really want Musk and Trump together? Musk to hire and Trump to fire? That would be the good combo.

John C. Dvorak (120:48)

Yeah, that would be a good combo.

Adam Curry (120:50)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (120:52)

Yeah. Musk would be the. He should be the head of personnel.

Adam Curry (120:55)

Well, we're going to see, I mean things are going to start moving in this AI world and we're already seeing AMD and all these CPU companies. People are figuring it out. It's like, oh, we don't need all this compute, we just need it in our computers at home. I can see this coming.

John C. Dvorak (121:16)

It's coming and then, well, something's coming. It's not going to be pleasant when blows up.

Adam Curry (121:22)

It'll ruin the show for sure. And with that I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the climate change cow farts. Say hello to my friend on the other hand and the one, the only, Mr. John C. Devor.

John C. Dvorak (121:35)

Yeah. In the morning to you Mr. G.R. administration. Steve Bo on ground subs, water and dames and knights out there.

Adam Curry (121:41)

Oh, hold on, I'm still, I was still stuck in that mode. Hey, in the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me count y'.

Expert/Guest (121:46)

All.

Adam Curry (121:47)

Let me see

John C. Dvorak (121:49)

joke out.

Adam Curry (121:51)

Let me do an actual troll count. And we see 1453 of the trolls in the troll room listening live@noagendastream.com and we are doing this as a public service for you. It is currently 10:20 in the Netherlands. I've been awake for 20 hours but I'm still here doing the show because that's what we do. Then we're going to Nashville later this month and it'll be on a Sunday. And there's things I could be doing, but I'm going to do the show because we care about the show and we think that it's important that people understand the world that's going on around them from a different perspective. Not just yelling into the voice because we're on video. And that's what seems to be happening. The whole podcast industrial complex is now. Everyone's crazy about video. And you know what they're doing? They're doing a horrible disservice to podcasting.

John C. Dvorak (122:43)

Podcasting should be audio. I mean, it's something you should be able to do while gardening. You can't watch a video while gardening.

Adam Curry (122:50)

So what is happening is all of the. Not all, but most of the big hosting companies, companies, they are offering video podcasts, but it's no longer RSS based. It's done with an API, which means it's not podcasting. Exactly. It's done with an API. And so your video gets published to Apple, it gets published to Spotify. Oh, by the way, we're back on Spotify. I got someone to. I got a representative who emailed me, hey, Spotify. Yeah. They said, hey, is there anything we can do for your show? I said, yeah, how about you put our show on? I've been trying to get it on for four months. Oh, hold on, let me check. And they check and they come back. Oh, yeah, well, we had something. Okay. Anyway, so we're on Spotify now, RSS based. But all this video stuff, it's all being done through an.

John C. Dvorak (123:48)

I thought we weren't on Spotify because they wanted to run ads.

Adam Curry (123:50)

Yeah, well, they don't. They have new terms of service. They don't run ads.

John C. Dvorak (123:55)

Okay.

Adam Curry (123:55)

Yeah, So I said, okay, we'll go back on, then. That's fine. If they run ads, then we'll take it off. But that was. That was the whole thing. So they're breaking the rss and in fact, it's Spotify. If you have audio. If you have an audio podcast and then you upload video, they then take the audio from your video and your RSS feed is completely broken for audio. I think Apple may be doing the same thing.

John C. Dvorak (124:24)

Why are they doing this?

Adam Curry (124:28)

I think the reason they're doing this is they understand that if they just have an open RSS feed that can come into their platforms, their podcast platforms, it'll be filled with porn and other things. Other things.

John C. Dvorak (124:43)

That don't like. I would think that's a concern.

Adam Curry (124:47)

Yeah, but it's not a podcast now. Now you can be deplatformed in seconds by the exact people that you know that I built the podcast index for with Dave Jones for this very reason, because you will get. When the banhammer is there, it gets used. So anyway, enjoy your video experience. We're just going to stay audio and we remain value for value. I should probably mention you want to get one of those modern podcast apps to listen to this podcast. First of all, you're supporting independent developers, which is important, especially if you get their, you know, their premium package, which is usually 2.99amonth, gives you all kinds of extras. We suggest you do that. They are on board with the modern podcasting standards. Podcasting 2.0, which has all these extra features, these are being slowly adopted by the big boys. But if you want to stay ahead of the curve, than you want to be with us. In addition to that, one of those features is the live, we call it lit live item tag. So when we go live with the podcast, which more and more podcasts are now doing, you get a notification your podcast app and then when we publish it, you're not waiting around for 15 minutes, half hour, an hour, sometimes longer. No, within 90 seconds you'll know that your podcast, your best podcast in the universe, has been up to. So value for value, I talked about at the beginning of our podcast. It's very simple system. We exist by the producers who produce the show, that is every single one of you who is listening. We don't consider you listeners. We don't consider you an audience. We don't consider you lesser than. We don't consider you fans. Oh, man. How many people, like, how many fans do you have? We got zero fans. In fact, we have more hate listeners than fans. But they're all producers. And the way you fans. Do you have any fans? John C. Dvorak? Do you have any super fans? You got a fan? Surely someone's a fan over there. No, no fans, no fans. So we decided in week three of our podcast that, well, we don't want to do that. We don't want to be.

John C. Dvorak (126:55)

We need a fan club.

Adam Curry (126:57)

We don't want to be beholden to advertise. No at all. We don't want to force people into paying things that they maybe can't afford. But from time to time, if you're listening, and now we're well into two hours, if you think, you know, I did get some value out of this, I learned something. Maybe there was something that triggered you, but, like, oh, I could talk about this with my family, or I could approach this topic in a certain way. Or maybe I could stay away from certain people who are on meds. Meds, you know? Or maybe you could save somebody who's on meds, whatever it is.

John C. Dvorak (127:31)

Oh, you might be on meds.

Adam Curry (127:32)

Yeah. Maybe we're helping to save you.

John C. Dvorak (127:35)

Maybe.

Adam Curry (127:36)

Maybe. Maybe.

John C. Dvorak (127:37)

Yeah. It's hard to get off these things. That's the idea.

Adam Curry (127:39)

Try Jesus. That's my recommendation.

John C. Dvorak (127:43)

You can try anything.

Adam Curry (127:44)

Yes. So just send us some value back. If you get value from the show, you can do that with time, talent, or treasure. Many people help us with time and talent, and one of those ways is through the album art that we always change up for Every single episode. 1865, our previous episode, we titled that the Wide Awakes. And this art came from Jeffrey Rhea, and it was controversial for us. Speaking of the meds, this was the SSRIs. The SSRI army coming towards you, looking very. Starting happy, and then getting less happy, then becoming devilish and. And then coming at you with knives and with a noose and with a gun. And, of course, it's AI generated. The thing that was controversial is we typically will deny art if there is a glaring AI generation error in the art, which this one had.

John C. Dvorak (128:39)

Yeah, it did.

Adam Curry (128:40)

There was a dude with three arms, but.

John C. Dvorak (128:43)

Yeah, but in the context of the fact there wasn't a dude with three arms, it was a pill with three arms. A pill could have any number of arms that it wants to have, and

Adam Curry (128:54)

that's how we got around our band. Did you ever figure out the Greek letters that are around?

John C. Dvorak (128:59)

No, it's just a bunch of Alpha Omega stuff. I have no idea.

Adam Curry (129:02)

Yeah, that was Alpha Omega. PI is in there. I didn't quite understand that. Jeffrey Ria, thank you very much for bringing us that artwork. We appreciate that. Let's take a look and see if there was anything else that we discussed at the time.

John C. Dvorak (129:19)

I don't think there was anything.

Adam Curry (129:21)

Wasn't there?

John C. Dvorak (129:22)

We had trouble with finding this piece.

Adam Curry (129:24)

Well, we both thought Francisco Scaramanga's passport with photo rejected was funny.

John C. Dvorak (129:33)

Yes, it was.

Adam Curry (129:34)

The guy at the back of his head, you were very enamored by static lullaby, static lullabies, fake money, fake $33 bill. You thought it was good for some reason.

John C. Dvorak (129:50)

No, I thought it was something framable. I didn't think it was for the show because we don't do pictures of ourselves. No, I thought it Was something you should. I suggested that you get him to send you a copy autographed, hanging on your wall. That's what I was talking about.

Adam Curry (130:04)

That's what it was. I messed that. And of course, comic strip blogger with a butt. This time. It was a cat.

John C. Dvorak (130:13)

Yes. In fact, that was going to be. Jay was wrapping up the newsletter. I wrote the copy, but she puts it together, and she was going to choose that piece.

Adam Curry (130:22)

Really?

John C. Dvorak (130:24)

And I caught it before it went through, and I changed it because I don't think a puckered butthole is necessarily something. That's. That's great.

Adam Curry (130:34)

Well, the butthole was a cat. The butthole was the Claude logo. So I kind of understood where comics or blogger was coming from.

John C. Dvorak (130:41)

Oh, I see.

Adam Curry (130:43)

Yeah. A little Claude insignia.

John C. Dvorak (130:45)

No.

Adam Curry (130:47)

So we love to thank people who support us with their treasure. $50 and above. Never under 50 for reasons of anonymity. We go through the list and we have a special reward for every single person who can Support us with $200 or more. Not only will we guaranteed read your note, but also we will give you the title of associate executive producer for. For this episode. It's in the credits in the show notes. It's a credit that is recognized by Hollywood people because you can even put it on IMDb.com in addition to your LinkedIn or your social media profile. $300 and above, same note reading, and you get the title of executive producer. So we'll start off with Countess Knight from Edmonds, Washington, who hits us up with $400. And she will become a countess. And that's all she had was viscountess. Countess.

John C. Dvorak (131:40)

No, no.

Adam Curry (131:41)

She becomes a viscountess. She is a countess. Is that how it works? Viscountess bigger than countess? Yes.

John C. Dvorak (131:48)

Yeah, I think so.

Adam Curry (131:49)

I think so. Yes. And that's her entire note. So thank you very much. Countess.

John C. Dvorak (131:55)

Yes. She started off as dame Knight. She made a point. I don't want to use my name. I want to be dame knight. And she would scold us if we read because it would come through PayPal with her name on it. So we've memorized and Jay, everybody okay? Yeah. And so now it's gonna have to be viscountess or countess. No, it moves the countess.

Adam Curry (132:17)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (132:18)

I think viscountess is lower. Hold on.

Adam Curry (132:21)

Yes. I thought viscountess came before.

John C. Dvorak (132:23)

I'm gonna look it up.

Adam Curry (132:24)

Yes, please do. We need to get this right.

John C. Dvorak (132:27)

I need a browser here. Drunk or not drunk.

Adam Curry (132:34)

What? Say what?

John C. Dvorak (132:41)

Peerage.

Adam Curry (132:42)

Peerage. You hear the. What you're hearing right now is the peerage committee at work. This is a Rare insight into the.

John C. Dvorak (132:50)

I'm sorry, it's Peerage. HTM. Okay.

Adam Curry (132:55)

Dvorak.org Peerage.htm yeah, may have a blink tag. Yes. People are having trouble with your signup link to the newsletter.

John C. Dvorak (133:08)

I noticed this. You have to keep hitting it over and over and then eventually it goes through. I have no idea what's going on. I'm going to have to create a new one.

Adam Curry (133:17)

Oh, please. You don't have the password to that server. You can't create anything there. It's still okay.

John C. Dvorak (133:23)

Five time Night becomes a viscountess. Yeah, she's going to be viscountess now.

Adam Curry (133:29)

Viscountess. Okay, that's bigger. She's bigger than Countess. Perfect.

John C. Dvorak (133:33)

Yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry (133:34)

Love it. Love it.

John C. Dvorak (133:35)

I don't even see Countess on here, to be honest about it. All right, onward. Was Sir Lawrence in Logan Port, Indiana 33388 and he sent in a note. Or she. Or he. Larry. Larry.

Adam Curry (133:54)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (133:55)

Larry Stewart, Sir. Sir Lawrence of Logan's Port India, Indiana. John. It's actually a Postcard from Route 66, John. Just what you need. Jesse James Hideout. Happy recovery. Had the same procedure in 2018. And I'm still here.

Adam Curry (134:16)

Wow.

John C. Dvorak (134:16)

Larry Stewart.

Adam Curry (134:18)

Okay, Lawrence, we're glad you're here. Glad you're here.

John C. Dvorak (134:21)

Yeah, we are. Yep.

Adam Curry (134:22)

Sir Ichabod is in Lake Forest Park, Washington and he sends us $333.34, which I think is an anomaly because he says, dear Crackpot and Buzzkill, here's my latest installment of 333 for the last 100 shows. So we got an extra penny out of it. I'm usually playing catch up with my podcast, so I end up listening to the greatest podcast in the universe a week or two after the fact. With that amount of time to further digest what has happened in the world. I'm always amazed at how spot on your analysis is is as things are happening just at the moment. I figured out how for a long time listeners we might remember that Adam isn't a boomer. He's from the future and even had a time machine that we could all ride in. It's been a long time. Adam, can you set the time for just returning to now so we don't have to come back? But I would love to go for a ride, please. I love that nauseating feeling it gives me. Plus, I'm worried about Sparky the dog. It's been a long time since I haven't heard him bark. Did anyone leave him water? So he is requesting the time machine, the dimension time machine, which we indeed have not ridden in in quite a while, so I dug it out. It's been in the podcast bag, so I have that. He also wants a little girl. Yay. He says, Damn. It's good to hear your voice, John. Your humble servant, Sir Ichabod of the Bike Path. Gorbal, Baron of the Sallustri Empire. Seleucid. Seleucid Empire. There we go. All right, everybody get ready. Here we go.

Expert/Guest (135:59)

Ready.

Adam Curry (135:59)

Stand by. It's gonna hurt just a little bit. You might get dizzy.

John C. Dvorak (136:03)

Forward. It's going to be only America First.

Adam Curry (136:11)

America First.

Expert/Guest (136:18)

We choose love. Fuck you.

Adam Curry (136:24)

There's Sparky. There he is.

Expert/Guest (136:26)

Yay.

News Reporter (136:27)

Woo.

Adam Curry (136:28)

If you're dizzy, just look at the ground. It'll all go away. Thank you, Suri Kebab. That was a fun ride.

John C. Dvorak (136:34)

Yikes. Okay, so I have to correct myself. I did find it. Countess comes next after Viscount.

Adam Curry (136:43)

Ah. Okay, okay.

John C. Dvorak (136:44)

So she becomes a Countess.

Adam Curry (136:46)

From VI Countess to Countess. Got it. Makes sense.

John C. Dvorak (136:50)

So that's a 7 times knight 7x. Onward with sir Greg Burch, our buddy in Port Angeles, Washington. The Dentite. Wishing John good health and offering local assistance if needed.

Adam Curry (137:08)

Well, that's nice.

John C. Dvorak (137:09)

5666, my 60th celestial orbit. What? Naps? Now legal. You can take naps whenever you want.

Adam Curry (137:21)

Whenever you want. Yes.

John C. Dvorak (137:22)

Yeah. Sir Greg Bur. So he's got a birthday coming up. That's $250. Thanks, Greg.

Adam Curry (137:27)

Austin Allen, Roseville, California, 225. He writes in and says, hello gents, it's Austin Allen, not to be mistaken, with Cole Thomas Allen. And no affiliation with the wide open wakes. Just your favorite pool dude representing hell, I mean California. Making sure your pool feels great and not like the disgusting high chlorinated public pools and hotel pools. Thank you guys so much for all you do. I listen to you guys during my pool route and try to hit all my clients in the mouth. That's part of your responsibility as a producer. I love letting them know about the no Agenda podcast and how it helps relieve people from the fear porn of the legacy media. Your pool guy has about 10 seconds to make a good impression. And most don't. Throwback to Lindsay Lupatkin. For the best pool service in the greater roseville area, email austinmdpoolsca mail.com that's MD for Marley's dad pools and CA for californiamail.com named. So it is MDpoolsca mail.com named after a super amazing daughter, Marley, who I love so much. Stay chlorinated, says Austin the pool guy. And the frogs are Gay. Oh, I didn't get the frogs are gay. Hold on a second. You know, whenever we play these jingles, that's. That's immediately when people request the jingles. It's uncanny that way. I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs gay. There you go. You got it.

John C. Dvorak (138:54)

Jordan Tierney in Orel, South Dakota. Yeah. 210 60. I found you guys in 2020 after watching a saddle tramp story where she talked about the podcast. In 2020, I was Miss Rodeo America. And due to the pandemic, the pandemic served until the end of 2021. This is Jordan is a woman. Yes, it's a Jordan woman. Thank you so much for keeping me sane during that time time. You're welcome. You guys helped me during everything and keep everything in perspective. And to see through the BS, I did the $50 a month payment starting in 2024 and reached the full amount of damehood in early 2025. I would like to be known as Dame Rodeo Queen. And at the round table, I would like a bottle of Cabernet. Ooh, I think I did that.

Adam Curry (139:53)

Which Cabernet do we want for her?

John C. Dvorak (139:57)

Let's do what?

Adam Curry (139:57)

Not just any old Cabernet. We want a good cabinet.

John C. Dvorak (140:00)

We'll give her a good. Just go have. You know, just. Just the top of my head, I think a. A bottle of. Of 2020 BV private reserve would do.

Adam Curry (140:11)

BV private reserve cab. Okay. I have ordered it. It will. It will be.

John C. Dvorak (140:19)

I think. And then she says, I think I did that correctly. Please edit anything you need out jingles. No karma. God bless Dame Rodeo Queen.

Adam Curry (140:31)

Now I want to know. Dame Rodeo Queen. Was this. Are you a barrel rider or that? That's my favorite rodeo barrel racing. Is it barrel racing?

John C. Dvorak (140:40)

Is that not barrel writer?

Adam Curry (140:42)

Okay, I'm sorry.

John C. Dvorak (140:44)

Hey, let me get on that barrel. I'll write it.

Adam Curry (140:46)

I think. I think you can call her a barrel racer, sir.

John C. Dvorak (140:52)

She may have been a barrel racer or barrel rife. Was a barrel racer.

Adam Curry (140:56)

You had a first wife? What? Stop the show. What? Is she still alive?

John C. Dvorak (141:02)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (141:03)

Do you ever talk to her?

John C. Dvorak (141:04)

I don't maybe I haven't talked to her for a couple since COVID Did she. Was she listening to is my go to now. I haven't done this since.

Adam Curry (141:16)

I haven't traveled since COVID I haven't talked to my first wife since COVID I haven't changed my underwear since COVID That's right. Well, can I ask what her name was? Her first name only.

John C. Dvorak (141:28)

Yeah Vicky Vicki.

Adam Curry (141:31)

The more you know she could jump

John C. Dvorak (141:34)

on a horse bareback and take off like a rocket.

Adam Curry (141:37)

Oh man, you never cease to amaze me. John Cedawarak Nor does Eli the coffee guy who is in Bensonville, Illinois. He comes in with 205 and 7 cents. That's that is of course a $200 associate executive producer donation along with the date. And he says living in Chicagoland suburbs, I've noticed the flag at the local schools and library has been at half staff more often than full mast in recent years. It started around Covid and there it is since COVID and just kept going. It used to be the half staff meant something serious had happened. 911 real tragedies. Now it feels like it's done to to demoralize us. Hard to feel like the country is standing tall when Old Glory ain't. Thanks Pritzker. Nothing helps pick up the morale like a good cup of coffee though. Please visit Gigawatt Coffee Roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20 off your order and as always, stay caffeinated. Says Eli the Coffee Guy Bob Dietrich

John C. Dvorak (142:37)

in good old Flower Mound, Texas. 200 from 1864 Pointcast Just Baker. Just Baker.

Adam Curry (142:50)

He did the mix.

John C. Dvorak (142:52)

Just Baker the mind blowing maker. Just Baker the mind blown Maker the little rhyme there. The end of show mix from last Thursday's podcast was incredible. With the distorted organ intro to the Next gen rap, I was blown away. Boom boom. After 20 replays in the car, I decided to I decided the automobile speakers weren't cutting it. Some more of these, please. I don't know if it's an original or sparked from another artist, but bravo.

Adam Curry (143:25)

No, it's all. It's all suno. Just Baker. Just Baker's new on the scene. He competes. He competes. And also if you want to talk about competing, then you want to know about Linda Loopatkin from Castle Rock, Colorado. She supports us almost, I think, every single show with 200 and she just wants Jobs Karma. And she says rightly so. Your Resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's Imagemakers Inc. With a K and Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. And she wants some jobs Karma.

News Reporter (144:08)

She Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for Jobs Karma.

Adam Curry (144:17)

So I got an email from a recruiter. This must be a scam. Do you ever get emails from recruiters? If you get it, you know it's a scam. But do you get an email from a recruiter?

John C. Dvorak (144:28)

No, I don't think so.

Adam Curry (144:30)

He got this from, you know, he has a LinkedIn, but he's got a Gmail. He's got a Gmail address. And he's like, you, with your decentralization and with your podcasting 2.0 experience, I think have the perfect opportunity for you in a leadership role. I'm like, okay, I'll bite. And then I said, well, if you're more interested, then I'll send you more information. And then he sends me, like. I say, okay, what is this a job? Is this a consulting gig? Is this. What is it? Oh, no, it's leadership at a door. I'm like, what? That makes no sense.

John C. Dvorak (145:08)

What?

Adam Curry (145:09)

Yeah, exactly.

John C. Dvorak (145:09)

What, they can give you a job at Adobe?

Adam Curry (145:11)

Well, he's a recruiter.

John C. Dvorak (145:13)

I don't think he wants you to work at Adobe.

Adam Curry (145:15)

It must be a scam. The next thing he sends me.

John C. Dvorak (145:17)

No, it's got to be.

Adam Curry (145:18)

Yeah, the next thing he sends me has got to be, well, if you take this test and give us $50, then we can get you continuing with our supporters. $50 and above. Christopher Myers is in Dallas, Texas, and He sends us $185 and says, Donate better. Yes, definitely low donations. We would like to see more value coming back to us maybe for Mother's Day.

John C. Dvorak (145:43)

You know, Mother's Day is next Sunday. That's the next show.

Adam Curry (145:47)

Yeah, it's true.

John C. Dvorak (145:48)

And maybe people would for a change, because only we noticed this.

Adam Curry (145:52)

By the way, they don't. People who.

John C. Dvorak (145:54)

People hate their moms during the COVID year.

Adam Curry (145:57)

That's right. That's when it was stellar. And after that, it's like, that's just mine.

John C. Dvorak (146:01)

Yeah, we. We totally kicked ass during the COVID year for the moms.

Adam Curry (146:08)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (146:09)

And now. Well, you know, whatever.

Adam Curry (146:14)

Yeah, whatever, exactly. Mansour Rod in Alpharetta, Georgia. I hope I pronounced that right. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. We see what you do there, what you did there. Thank you very much. We appreciate that. Then we have Jim Carlson from Denver, Colorado. He sends us $100, but he also had a note, which I'm going to bring up here, and I liked it because it was here. John and Adam, a short note. Greatest podcast ever. I enjoy your podcast, John. Keep getting better. I am turning 80 on. Is this 12th? May. 12th of May, I think, or 17, I think 12th of May 26th. And I do not want to BS to be any younger. Catman's. What? Why are you laughing? Why are you rapping?

John C. Dvorak (147:13)

It's silly.

Adam Curry (147:14)

Catman something.

John C. Dvorak (147:16)

Jim Carlson, Kathmandu.

Adam Curry (147:18)

No, Katmandu. Anyway, 80 years old and he still listens to the best podcast in the universe without wearing his hearing aids.

John C. Dvorak (147:24)

I wonder how many people we have who are octogenarians that listen to this show.

Adam Curry (147:29)

Well, they better donate quick, I think.

John C. Dvorak (147:31)

You guys. Yeah, you're, you know, $80 donation. Eighty dollar donation for you. Oxygen area.

Adam Curry (147:39)

Just saying. Get. Get your donation in now. You don't.

John C. Dvorak (147:42)

You.

Adam Curry (147:42)

You don't want to get up to heaven and like.

John C. Dvorak (147:45)

Actually, actually, we. I went back and forth with one of our producers who. Who's 83, 84, 85.

Adam Curry (147:52)

Really?

John C. Dvorak (147:53)

In the mid-80s.

Adam Curry (147:54)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (147:54)

And he says I gotta get my knighthood in before I'm gone. I told him he's got a bad attitude.

Adam Curry (148:00)

Very bad attitude. Don't look at that rock when you're driving your motorcycle.

John C. Dvorak (148:04)

Exactly. Is what I told him. The old rock thing.

Adam Curry (148:06)

Yes. Rhianne Kosinski, Karsland, Alberta. That's in Scandinavia 8374. And also wants to add and to the birthday list, Josh of BC from Zach and Rhiannon of Alberta, Canada. And a switcheroo donation and de douching for his birthday.

News Reporter (148:24)

You've been de douched.

Adam Curry (148:27)

He hit Zach in the mouth many moons ago before COVID And thanks is in order. John. So glad you're okay. You have me worried for a beat.

Expert/Guest (148:34)

Ha.

Adam Curry (148:34)

Thank you for your courage, says Rhianne Jason Shepherd, Trinidad, Colorado, $80.76. And there's Sir Kevin McLaughlin, Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. He is the OG boob donator and he comes in with $80.08. God bless America and boobs. We have Jurak Kojak from Prague. I think that's how you pronounce it.

John C. Dvorak (148:59)

Yeah, you pronounce it Prague.

Adam Curry (149:02)

And he wants an F. Karma, which I will hit him with right away.

News Reporter (149:10)

Karma.

Adam Curry (149:10)

And next on the list, she's always there. Dame Rita from Sparks, Nevada. 6833. Thank you so much. Dame Rita Gwen Sobiski, Kettering, Ohio, with 67. David Cox from Austin, Texas. 63. 25. Dame Teresa Martin, Camarillo, California. 6161. That's something with a sticks and a dicks. I forget what that is. Eric Fleanor, Palmyra. Palmyra, Michigan.

John C. Dvorak (149:39)

Yeah. As opposed to

Adam Curry (149:42)

Mississippi.

John C. Dvorak (149:44)

Oh, you and your Mississippi, Michigan.

Adam Curry (149:48)

George Sousa hillmark. She is 55. 55. George Sousa, Hilmar, California. 53. 33. Jorge Hernandez, Lake Stevens, Washington. 5333. Gregory Brahman in Saginaw, Michigan. 5260 donation to the best podcast in the universe. For the best mom in the universe, Wendy Breyman is how you pronounce it. Wendy from Gregory. There you go, Mom. There's a first Mother's Day donation. And Bradley Bowman in Duluth, Minnesota. 5218. We've got Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa, with 51 here the 50s. Foster Birch, New York, New York. Alex Zavala. Sir Alex, the winning Sir Alex Zavala in Kyle, Texas. Edward Mazarek in Memphis, Tennessee. Steven Ray, Spokane, Washington. Carl Vogler in Dillon Beach, California, California. Frankie Perez in San Diego. Carrie Jackson, Watertown, Tennessee. Jason d', Aluisio, Miami Beach. And Aichi Kitagawa checks in from San Francisco, California with $50. Thank you all very much. For those of you who do support us, we would like to see more of that, please. It is value for value. We really feel like we're putting the value in. We're bringing a lot to the table. It's worth it. It's good. If you don't support, then things do tend to go away and, you know, I don't know if we can do four more years at this point. I may have to get that gig at Adobe.

John C. Dvorak (151:08)

Yeah, I think you should go to work for Adobe. You'd fit right in.

Adam Curry (151:14)

I would not fit in at all. That's a horrible idea. I don't want to work at Adobe. The other one was. What's that? AI Company. He had two for me, Snowflake. Like, I'm not going to work at any company name Snowflake. That's a horrible idea.

John C. Dvorak (151:32)

I'm an executive vice president at Snowflake.

Adam Curry (151:35)

Thank you very much. Oops. Thank you very much to our executive and associate executive producers for producing episode 18. Our formula is this.

Expert/Guest (151:43)

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

John C. Dvorak (151:53)

Order Chef.

Expert/Guest (151:58)

There you go.

Adam Curry (151:59)

I should have done that earlier, but we thanked everybody. $50 and above, as we always do. Noagendadonations.com is where you go to support the show with your treasure. Noagendadonations.com Any amount, anytime you want to. We love the numerology. It's always fun to do. It supports the show. It keeps the show going, keeps the wheels grinding, keeps the machine humming. You can even do a sustaining donation. Any amount, any frequency. No agenda to donations dot com. And here's our list. Sir Greg Burch turned 60 on May 6th. Happy birthday to him as Zach and Rhiannon of Alberta, Canada, which Josh of British Columbia very happy birthday. He celebrated. Celebrates today, actually May 7th. And Jim Carlson turns 80 years old on May 12th.

News Reporter (152:49)

12th.

Adam Curry (152:49)

Happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe. Oh, we have title changes. Boy, it's been a while since we had one of those. No douchebags. For our viscountus, who today becomes a countess. That would be the Viscountess Knight. We. We always remember her name as Viscountess Knight, but now she'll be known as Countess Knight thanks to an additional $1,000 support to the best podcast in the universe and we thank you very much. We have a dame and we have a knight to bring up today, John. So if you can. There's my sword. If you can grab yours.

John C. Dvorak (153:31)

Here you go. Right here.

Adam Curry (153:32)

Yeah, you're getting stronger, bigger blade. Jordan Tierney and Rob Butcher, both of you, step up. You have supported the no Agenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more. And that means I'm very proud to pronounce the Casey as Dame Rodeo queen and Sir Jimmy Chimpkins of the bloody goiter. Wow, that sounds nasty. For you, we've got Hookers of Blow Rent Boys and Chardonnay. We actually have a bottle of 2020 BV Private Reserve Cab by request. Along with that, we've got Harlots and How Aldol. We've got beer and blunts. We've got Cowgirls and Coffin Varnish, Ruben Esque Women and Sake, Sparkling Siren Escorts, Ginger and Gerbils. And always at the round table, we've got some mutton and some mead. If you've been waiting for your ring, I think the rings are in. Also we have the pins. They're in as well for the Red Knights Order of the Heart. So all of that is coming your way soon. And of course, our brand new dame and knight. You need to go to noagendarings.com check out those beautiful rings. They're for dames. Them for nights. They are signet rings, which means you get some sticks of wax enclosed in your shipment. You can use that to sign and seal your important correspondence with. And as always, we have a certificate of authenticity. That is you. I saw it come through from you. That is your computer beeping.

John C. Dvorak (154:58)

No.

Adam Curry (154:59)

Yes, I saw it. I saw it.

John C. Dvorak (155:01)

That was not the one you were bitching about earlier.

Adam Curry (155:03)

It's the exact same one. That's like you're getting an email or a text or an only fans notification.

John C. Dvorak (155:09)

You have mail something.

Adam Curry (155:18)

That's right, the no agenda meetups. This is where you get connections that always brings you protection. The people you meet at a no agenda meetup will be your first responders in any emergency. They keep you stable to make you able. Go to noagendameetups.com to find out where you can meet other people who listen to the show. And they happen all around the world. And sometimes they even send us meetup reports. Like this one from the Three Mile Island Meetup.

News Reporter (155:41)

This is Chris at the TMI Evac

Expert/Guest (155:44)

Zone spring meetup where we hit a whole music festival in the mouth. The lead singer said that Adam Curry

John C. Dvorak (155:51)

is the Gibbs looking guy.

Expert/Guest (155:55)

Don't screw me, bro.

John C. Dvorak (155:56)

Hey, this is sir737.

Expert/Guest (155:58)

We're microdosing.

News Reporter (155:59)

Microbrander Bruce.

Expert/Guest (156:00)

I'm feeling very protected today because I'm

John C. Dvorak (156:03)

connected Sarcastic the Nomad.

Expert/Guest (156:06)

Thank you for your courage. Microdosing. I'm Macro.

Adam Curry (156:12)

Yeah, yeah, we've had better reports. I don't know. I don't know what that recording was about.

John C. Dvorak (156:17)

That was bad.

Adam Curry (156:17)

But we appreciate it no matter what. Hey, there's a meetup taking place tomorrow. A couple of them actually. We have the May 8th happy hour Buda Meetup. That ah, that would have been right down the road from me, but I'm not there at the time. So that'll be at Astra in Buda, Texas. Yes, it is pronounced Buda. The National Dutch Amygdala checkup. Now this will be in local Sestinfeifdeg in Leiden in the Netherlands. That'll be at 8 o' clock Dutch time. Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend. I'm going out to dinner with my daughter. Sorry. Saturday.

John C. Dvorak (156:52)

Take your daughter to the meetup. She'd love to meet people.

Adam Curry (156:55)

She's seven months pregnant. She doesn't really want to go anywhere at the moment. The Treasure Valley Boise meetup, 3 o' clock at the Old State Saloon in Eagle, Idaho. Make sure you catch that one.

John C. Dvorak (157:05)

Also, they can all rub her tummy.

Adam Curry (157:07)

Also on Saturday, the Sonoma Wino Country Meetup. That'll be at 3:33pm in Santa Rosa, California. And that'll be at Fieldwork and Mum's the Word in Nashville. Six o' clock at tenfold is Nashville, Tennessee. That is also on Saturday. Make sure you go to these meetups if you can. In the month of May. We still have Unionville, Ontario on the 13th, Raleigh, North Carolina on the 14th, Colleyville. I got it right this time on the 16th along with Fort Wayne, Indiana, Los Banos, California, the 21st, Charlotte, North Carolina the 23rd. Wilmington, Delaware, Los Angeles, California, Hickson, Tennessee and Franklin, Tennessee. Dueling Tennessee meetups on the same day. And on the the 24th, Vancouver, British Columbia and Sequim, Washington, where Mimi will be the toomanyeggs.com book lady and John's much better half. That'll be on May 25th. And that's it. Of course, there's a lot, a lot more taking place which you can find@noagendameetups.com. you head over there, find one near you. If you can't find one, here's a novel idea. Start one near you yourself. It's free of charge. All you got to do is find a place, advertise it, and let's get it going. Noagendameetups.com Always fun, always easy, and always a party.

John C. Dvorak (158:42)

It's like a party.

Adam Curry (158:44)

Yeah, baby. We have end of show mixes coming up which I think you will enjoy. We also have John's tip of the day. But first we're going to choose the end of show isos. I see you have two, I'll go, I have four. So let me hit you with mine. Okay, you ready?

John C. Dvorak (159:00)

Hit it.

News Reporter (159:00)

I agree with you.

Adam Curry (159:02)

There's one. Oh my goodness. Goody, goody. Gum drops. You're gonna love them, lovey. Still on the air. That's it.

John C. Dvorak (159:12)

We're done.

Adam Curry (159:13)

And the final one.

Expert/Guest (159:15)

This is incredible.

Adam Curry (159:16)

I kind of like that one. I like the incredible one.

John C. Dvorak (159:19)

That's better than the other one. Yeah, it was future tense for the Alex Jones one.

Adam Curry (159:25)

Get closer to the mic, man. You're cutting out. Get closer to the mic. Yes.

John C. Dvorak (159:31)

Let's start with fabulous. Fabulous. It's over. Fabulous show. Donate now.

Adam Curry (159:41)

Not at all. AI okay. Needs more energy.

John C. Dvorak (159:47)

I wanted it to be soft and demanding. No agenda. This was no agenda. Except no substitutes.

Adam Curry (159:57)

Okay, that's taken from. What was it? What was the. What was the TV show that had that?

John C. Dvorak (160:05)

Except I don't know.

Expert/Guest (160:06)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (160:06)

Was it? We'll do that one. I like that. Except no substitutes. That's true. And there is no substitute for John C. Dvorak's tip of the day.

Expert/Guest (160:15)

Great advice for you and me.

Adam Curry (160:18)

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

John C. Dvorak (160:25)

Okay. Of course. Okay. Okay. I haven't changed anything.

Adam Curry (160:32)

Uh huh.

John C. Dvorak (160:34)

So everyone's moaning and groaning about the last tip. So I. I'm going back to the well and going back to the wine tips which everybody seems to love.

Adam Curry (160:44)

We love our wine tips.

John C. Dvorak (160:47)

19, 19, 20, 23 Kirkland signature Shabl.

Adam Curry (160:53)

Oh, another Kirkland.

John C. Dvorak (160:56)

Yeah. There was Costco. You know, people can go to Costco it's cheap. I lost track of the price, unfortunately.

Adam Curry (161:03)

Oh, it couldn't have been more than.

John C. Dvorak (161:04)

It's not expensive.

Adam Curry (161:05)

$9. They don't charge much more than that for their wines, do they?

John C. Dvorak (161:08)

Not for these Kirkland ones, no. That's just a plain Chablis. Now, here's the thing. This one in particular, let me get this label I got here. Pierre Brissi, winemaker. On the back of the label table, this is Pierre Brissi. Okay, so Pierre did the wine. So Chablis is an area, the north northernmost part of Burgundy. And they're known for making. And the grape used in Chablis, always Chardonnay. And so it's a Chardonnay, which is, you know, the ABC folks may or may not like. But that doesn't taste like a. Like a California Chardonnay. So people shouldn't complain about it too much. And it says Chablis, it doesn't say Chardonnay. So I guess that would. Would be. Would benefit people who hate Chardonnay. But it's not the typical Chablis in the normal low carbon dioxide years of the of yore, with the climate change not being what it was, tends to be steely. They describe it as steely, flinty.

Adam Curry (162:14)

Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Are you telling me that climate change change, I. E. More parts per million of our CO2, makes the wine better?

John C. Dvorak (162:26)

Oh, yeah. The Germans will tell you this, right? To you. Go to the Rhine and ask around and tell you. And let them tell you what they think.

Adam Curry (162:34)

Well, yeah. This is an argument that has never been used. I think we should.

John C. Dvorak (162:38)

I think we've mentioned it once before on the show.

Adam Curry (162:40)

I can't recall, but I make.

John C. Dvorak (162:43)

It's a big deal.

Adam Curry (162:44)

Yes. More so.

John C. Dvorak (162:45)

Some of these areas that make this sketchy, you know, sometimes good, sometimes bad wines. Burgundy is a good example. They're basically every vintage is good. And so this Chablis is not like the flinty, harsh, you know, acidic Chablis that people expect. It's a very soft, gorgeous wine. And I would say, I would check it out, especially all the people that hate, you know, the California shards. Shards. I'm using this thing.

Adam Curry (163:19)

Shard. I sharded, man. That's right. Hey, there it is. There's a dynamite tip of the day from John C. Devora. I get them all at no agenda fun.com tipoftheday.net.

John C. Dvorak (163:34)

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Brunetti.

Adam Curry (163:40)

See how we do? Right on schedule. Perfect. Hey, y' all Remember us@noagendadonations.com if you would, please. I'll be here Sunday night. Once again, John will be here Sunday afternoon bringing you the best podcast in the universe. Breaking down all the media, the deconstruction that you need to function. I think that's kind of a rhyme if you stick around. Up next, we have random thoughts that'll be on the no Agenda stream. Just keep it running your modern podcast app or if you're listening in a web Browser not on YouTube, that's for sure. End of show mixes from just baker Chris Matson. I got two that I'm moving to Sunday from mvp. And we have that no Agenda donation song, the one that John chose. That'll be the second one in the lineup. Coming to you from Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

John C. Dvorak (164:41)

And from the Refinery Row where I want to tell Adam, go get something to eat. I'm John C. Dvorak.

Adam Curry (164:49)

All that's open right now is the Burger King, unfortunately. Hey, we'll be here on I know on Sunday. Until then, adios and such. And remember us@noagendadonations.com.

News Reporter (165:15)

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Expert/Guest (165:47)

you're no agenda fascination It's Adam Curry and John C. Deverette cutting through the media slop on the no Agenda show

News Reporter (165:55)

We follow the money, we see the spin value for value now it's your turn to kick in. Thank you for your courage,

Expert/Guest (166:16)

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Adam Curry (169:05)

your taint is inflamed

John C. Dvorak (169:09)

well, that's okay

Expert/Guest (169:14)

when the ladies get together Big farmer

Adam Curry (169:19)

is forever they're all on these SSRIs these people are, in effect, modern MK Ultra.

John C. Dvorak (169:27)

Well, this is a new thesis.

Adam Curry (169:29)

I like it,

Expert/Guest (169:40)

William. SSRI and Chardonnay that's the new MK Ultra way MSM says lose weight and obey if your T is inflame

Adam Curry (169:59)

well,

Expert/Guest (169:59)

that's okay the best podcast in the universe.

Adam Curry (170:08)

Adios mofo.

Expert/Guest (170:09)

Dvorak.org Na this was no agenda except no substitutes.