1867 - "Transmission Window"

Summary

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No Agenda Show – Episode 1867 “Transmission Window”

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: May 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the intersection of media narratives, government overreach, and public reaction in the U.S. and Europe, as Adam (broadcasting from Amsterdam) and John (in California) deconstruct news cycles, political events, cultural quirks, and the rise of “fake pandemics.” The show’s hallmark—cynical, humorous banter—frames discussion ranging from Dutch climate policy, SSRIs, the so-called hantavirus outbreak, to shifts in UK politics and UFO file 'disclosures'. Several “boots on the ground” reports and notable quotes give listeners unfiltered perspectives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Amsterdam Observations & EU Policy Oddities

[00:07–02:58] Adam & John

• Adam gives “boots on the ground” stories from Amsterdam:
  • The gender reveal party and meeting his ex-wife after 10 years.
  • EU-mandated bottle caps (“Can’t take the cap off the bottle—climate change!”) causing annoyance, highlighting the performative nature of some climate policies.
  • Local Dutch quirks: burned hotel signs and British tourists' behavior causing public urination problems.

“But what do you think is the first question she asked me? ... What do you think of President Trump?”
—Adam, [06:30]

• Amsterdam's new bans:
  • No more advertising for fossil fuel products or meat
  • City campaigns to discourage young British men from visiting (“one ruins the climate, one ruins the city”)

[04:44] “So let me get this straight. In a city known for permissiveness, you're drawing the line at British dudes and ads for cheeseburgers?”
—Spoofed Insta clip

2. Global Political Trends & Populism

[15:16–19:27]

• Hungary: Political shift from Orban to Peter Modior, promising anti-corruption and EU integration.
  • Both hosts surprised by the apparent Orban fall.
  • Analogies drawn between Orban longevity and Western fears around Trump’s hold on power.

"Wasn't this Orban going to be a dictator for life and it was never going to be removed? Yeah, that was typical. That’s the same thing with Trump.”
—John, [19:11]

• UK: Seismic shift away from traditional parties; local council elections show Labour and Conservatives both losing ground to Farage's Reform Party & smaller coalitions.
  • Massive voter discontent attributed to economic stagnation, immigration, and leadership unpopularity.
  • Farage "spiking the ball" as Reform's success was predicted by the hosts years prior.

“We picked up on Nigel Farage as a character of importance early on. Early on. Decade ago... We told you so.”
—John, [68:28]

• Immigration: UK’s struggle with illegal Channel crossings lampooned; comparison to stricter pet quarantines.

3. Dutch Climate Agenda & Energy Crisis

[09:54–15:16]

• Radical policies in the Netherlands discussed:
  • Closure of farms for nitrogen emission reductions.
  • Bans on cruise ships, billboards with meat/petrol, reduced airport slots, much higher cost of living.
  • Electric vehicle mandates: taxi drivers can’t get charging infrastructure due to energy shortages.
  • Critics: Prime Minister “Twinkle Toes” panders to rich, ignores real public needs.

“There are new homes being built that will never get electricity. We can’t extend the grid to these new homes where they already have hundreds of thousands of homes in shortage because they’ve given it to all the asylum seekers. This is crazy.”
—Adam, [14:19]

4. Hantavirus ‘Outbreak’ Media Cycle

[19:46–39:34]

• Parallels drawn between current hantavirus coverage and early COVID-19 playbook.

• Recycled experts (Osterholm, Gottlieb), mask discourse, conflicting messaging.

  • Osterholm downplays threat: “We have no question about the fact that this really is on the end of its run right now. And there may not be additional cases.” [22:31]
  • Gottlieb’s “Transmission Window”: A new term suggesting another two-week period of worry—contradicting Osterholm.
    • “We are nearing the end of the transmission window...” [34:35]

• Speculation over Pfizer documents showing hantavirus pulmonary infection as a “special adverse event of interest.”

  • Theorization that COVID vaccines could reactivate dormant hantavirus infections, potentially fueling a fake pandemic.
  • “Pandemic of death” scenario floated—connects to broader skepticism of pharma-industrial complex.

“This warning sits alongside... about 20 herpes family virus reactivation symptoms. Also Zika, Guillaume-Barre, and there’s 1300 other adverse event... Pfizer was cataloging as known events from day one in the document they wanted to hide for almost 100 years.”
—Adam, [31:43]

• Ivermectin “discourse” ridiculed; Gottlieb’s technical dismissal prompts laughter.

5. SSRIs, Withdrawal, and Overprescription

[44:00–54:50]

• Segment triggered by Kennedy’s recent comments, Gottlieb press, and testimonials from listeners.
• Boots on ground stories: real side effects, personality changes, extremely difficult withdrawals.
• Analysis of studies: most SSRIs were only tested for 8 weeks, but real-world use is 5 years or more.
• Systemic cycle exposed—new drug oversold, withdrawal symptoms misunderstood, “relapse” is just misinterpreted withdrawal.

“We might laugh at this silly study, but it stops being funny when you realize we’re doing something very similar in psychiatry today.”
—Dr. Anders Sorensen, [50:19]

• John: “Are doctors being bribed?” Details the FDA–doctor–pharma triangle and plausible deniability.

6. UFO Files & Disclosure PsyOps

[102:13–120:04]

• Pentagon releases more “UFO files,” but they’re a letdown (“just a dumb website...nothing exciting or new”).
• Hosts posit this is just another budgetary pretext and theatrical distraction.
• Involvement of Hollywood (Universal Pictures movie trailer) prepping the public for “disclosure day.”

“This is the entire script in movie form. ... Disclosure, disclosure day. Coming from Universal Pictures.”
—Adam, [108:25]

• Underlying theory: “Project Blue Beam” will use CGI and holograms for a future manufactured alien threat, supporting military budgets & global distraction.

• Religious right reaction: Alabama pastor’s viral claim that government plans to announce “aliens seeded humanity,” undermining Christianity and the Bible—later walked back, but signals anxieties stoked by media.

“Silence is not an option...Pastors must prepare their people now.”
—YouTube Pastor, [116:50]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Dutch climate rules and media overkill:

  • “Europe. I have a. Before you go on... I have to play this. An Amsterdam clip...” —John, [02:22]

• On Trump as a European conversation-starter:

  • “The first question out of the gate... from everybody: ‘What do you think of President Trump?’” —Adam, [06:47]
  • “Most people who listen to the show hate their mom. Or has it changed?” —Adam, [00:47]

• On SSRIs:

  • “Getting off these drugs was absolutely the right thing for me...getting off SSRIs is torture, with mood changes, brain zaps...that will haunt you until the end of your days.”
    —Boots on ground note, [46:58]

• On UFO Disclosure Theatre:

  • “They are starved for the truth. And if someone knows we’re not alone, why haven’t we been told? Full disclosure to the whole world. All at once.”
    —Movie promo, [108:25]
  • “If you want to talk conspiracy, second half a show, Project Bluebeam fits like a T to this.”
    —Adam, [119:00]

• On Farage and UK politics:

  • “We picked up on Nigel Farage as a character of importance early on...we got grief from UK listeners...”
    —John, [68:28]

• On OnlyFans income revelations:

  • “Is there an updated number?...Gross is eight digit. So in the 70 plus million range...it was running at over like 2 million a month.”
    —Caitlin Segura interview, [123:07]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• [00:07–06:47] Amsterdam “boots-on-ground” and EU quirks, Trump as conversation starter
• [09:54–15:16] Deep-dive into Dutch climate agenda, farm & vehicle bans, grid capacity crisis
• [15:16–19:27] Hungary political change, Orban vs. Modior, parallels to Trump
• [19:46–39:34] Hantavirus outbreak, recycled pandemic narratives, pharma skepticism
• [44:00–54:50] SSRIs, withdrawal pain, systemic overprescription, pharma–FDA pipeline
• [62:28-68:28] UK politics, Farage’s rise, immigration, and voter disenchantment
• [102:13–120:04] UFO files, disclosure ‘theater’, Project Blue Beam, pastors and alien narrative anxiety

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Memorable Moments

• Adam’s prescription to deal with Kirkland Pinot Grigio ($4.99):
  • “Decant it into a carafe. Ditch the hooch-looking bottle and you’ll be dynamite.” [171:12]
• On SSRIs:
  • “We’re using short term evidence to guide long term treatment. And that gap matters, especially when it comes to dependence and withdrawal.”
    —Dr. Sorensen, [50:19]
• John on the UFO budget scam:
  • “Every report has that. Every single one. It could also, I mean, it could be UFOs, but it could also be some Chinese technology.” [106:43]
• On the Dutch idiocracy:
  • “The Dutch are crazy. And everyone’s complaining about the Prime Minister twinkle toes who suckered all the young people in by being openly gay. Like, oh yes, lgbtq. It’s gonna be great. All he does is stuff for rich people. So this is a country in decline. Sad to see.” [13:35]

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Tone & Format Observations

• Signature blend of sardonic wit, industry skepticism, and pop-culture irreverence from both Adam & John.
• Frequent “boots on the ground” anecdotes supplement analysis.
• Use of mock interviews, impersonations, and real clips (news, podcasts, user-submitted).
• Listeners are treated as insiders, with callbacks and running gags (e.g., “Project Blue Beam,” “plausible deniability,” “Order of the Heart”).

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Episode Takeaways

• European “green” regulations increasingly disrupt ordinary life, but also serve as global talking points and symbols of class division.
• Pandemic fear cycles are now a media habit—recycling the same personalities and tropes, with public skepticism steadily rising.
• SSRIs and many “safe and effective” pharmaceuticals may be the next axis for mass health reckoning.
• UK and EU party systems continue to realign toward populist and anti-establishment forces; media narratives still lag reality.
• UFO “disclosure” is more likely budget theater than true revelation, but public craving for meaning and distraction keeps the cycle alive.

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Show Standout Quote

“Find a better podcast than this one.”
—End of Show ISO, [179:42]

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Listeners who missed the show will receive an entertaining, wide-ranging critical review of media, culture, and politics—as only Curry and Dvorak can deliver it.

Transcript

[A]

There are people who swim across the channel.

[B]

Lunatics.

[A]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, May 10, 2026. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1876. This is no Agenda. Celebrating moms everywhere. And broadcasting live from Amsterdam, the Netherlands, here at the airport in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[B]

Yeah. From Refinery Row here in Northern California, we miss, miss our moms and wish Happy Mother's Day. I'm John Cedebork.

[A]

Yeah, that's right. I keep forgetting we don't have moms.

[B]

Well, we have moms. No, we don't have living moms.

[A]

Ah, this is the difference. We have moms no longer with us. Yes. And as we know, most people who listen to the show hate their mom. Or has it changed?

[B]

Or so it seems.

[A]

Except during COVID Yeah, has it changed somewhat, perhaps?

[B]

Oh, I can't visit my mom. Oh, no.

[A]

Second show from. From the. You know, I looked out the window this morning and that sign that, that caught fire in the hotel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Literally outside our room. And they took it down. I took a picture. It's all scorched. The wall is all scorched. That is weird. That thing caught fire, huh? Yeah, it's short. There's a couple other strange things I just have to talk about. Boots on the ground. You know, on Thursday, we had just arrived and you had only seen the inside of the airport. Now I've been around, I've been walking. I went to see Christina. We did the gender reveal. We did the gender reveal. Big gender reveal party. This is where you scoff. This is where you scoff.

[B]

They are kind of dumb.

[A]

It was fun though. It was nice. So first of all, in the Netherlands, this may be an EU wide thing, they have done something to plastic bottles. And this is very odd to me. When you open the top of the plastic bottle, it stays attached to the bottle. You can't actually.

[B]

No, it's got a little thing on it.

[A]

Yeah, it's got a little thing on it. And I'm thinking, okay, I'm sure this is for climate change or to save the earth, but have you ever had a bottle of water?

[B]

Yeah, I've had a bottle of water.

[A]

And have you just. When you're done with your bottle of water, do you just throw the cap away or do you put the cap on and throw the bottle away?

[B]

What I tend to do.

[A]

Oh, here we go.

[B]

I take the bottle, which is usually plastic.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I squeeze it to it so it's like shrunk into a Smallest possible piece. Then I put the cap on it so it can't return to its original size. Then it takes up less space in the garbage can.

[A]

So you are actually doing a good thing for the earth with the cap.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But you don't need the cap attached to remember. Does anyone throw the bottle cap away outside of the bottles? Anyone do this?

[B]

I think it's been done. Wow.

[A]

It doesn't seem like a number one thing. And it's kind of annoying because you want to drink out of the bottle

[B]

and that thing is slapping you in the nose.

[A]

Exactly. Europe.

[B]

I have a. Before you go on with your little. Which is important, your conversation about. I have to play this. An Amsterdam clip, which is a girl on. On Insta talking about the screwball stuff that she's run into. And she's grilling her fake friend about it.

[A]

Here we go. Hey, excuse me, Amsterdam. Quick question. Yeah, what is it? So I thought Amsterdam was one of those places where anything goes, but I'm hearing something of a ban that recently went into effect. Well, even we have our limits. But smoking in coffee shops are still legal. Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

As are magic mushrooms.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And public nudity. Yeah. So what could have crossed the line that you have to ban it now? That would be public advertising of fossil fuel products, including meat. So no more ads for gas powered cars, airlines, or chicken nuggets. Correct. Well, I have a lot of questions, but besides that, is there anything else you've been cracking down on recently? Yeah, young British men. What? You're banning British men? No, no, not a ban, but we do have an advertising campaign telling them to stay away. So let me get this straight. In a city known for permissiveness, you're drawing the line at British dudes and ads for cheeseburgers?

[C]

Yeah, naturally.

[A]

Because one ruins the climate and the other ruins our city. Yeah. Well, the ban on young British men, that's been going for a while and I think it's kind of slowed because of cheap airfare is over now that they have barely any fuel because they were getting on the EasyJet for 50 bucks and flying over and getting. Just fall down drunk and peeing in the mailbox.

[B]

Party down.

[A]

Yeah, peeing in the mailboxes and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, the mailboxes are connected to the door. It's not like a separate mailbox. So you're peeing into someone's house through the mailbox. So, yeah, the British boys were a bit of a problem. But listen to this. So we go to the gender reveal and my first wife Is there who I haven't seen in 10 years? So, you know, it was kind of an interesting vibe all around. You know, the Tina had never met her. So, you know, you can imagine that was interesting.

[B]

That was great, actually.

[A]

It was great. It was actually really nice. But what do you think the first question she asked me, we sat down for a couple minutes. What do you think the first question was that she asked me?

[B]

Well, I would say, if I was her, think carefully.

[A]

Think carefully now.

[B]

I would say, hi, Adam. How's the show going?

[A]

Yeah, no, you get another guess. No, you get another guess.

[B]

Hi, Adam. How's your hemorrhoids? You finally got them cleared up?

[A]

Okay, great, John. No, no, no. She says, I'm sure everyone has asked you this. Oh, you want to guess now?

[B]

Oh, everyone has asked you this. How do you like Texas?

[A]

First she said, hey, is that old dude still alive? No, that's not what she asked. She said, what do you think of President Trump?

[B]

Oh, duh. I should have got guessed that. What am I thinking?

[A]

The first question out of the gate, and it is the first question from everybody. I didn't expect it from her because, yes, there were a lot of questions she could have had as the first one at the top of her mind, but even Taxi Eric, you know Taxi Eric, the guy that tried to kill you once.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that almost got me killed.

[A]

Almost got you killed. He says that whenever he gets Americans in the car that he picks them up from the airport, they all go, oh, Trump. Oh, we hate Trump. We hate Trump. Everyone hates Trump. And I'm like, that's odd.

[B]

So only Democrats are traveling to Holland now?

[A]

No, no, I think it's because people are afraid.

[B]

Oh, I get it. Yeah. I've pulled that stunt because they know

[A]

that all of Europe hates Trump. Now, that is also not true, because Taxi Eric doesn't hate Trump. And so anyway, so then my answer to my first wife was, well, you know, I like a lot of things he's doing. For instance, our borders are closed and he's kicking out the undesirables. When you say this. And it works in every case, not just in ex wives, when you say this, they go, yeah, wow, I wish we had a guy here to do something like that. I bet that's exactly what they say. And I said, and there's other things that he's done that I think are pretty good. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's. I hadn't thought about that. So. But every single person, the same thing. First you say, oh, yeah, no, I Like Trump, I think he's doing some good stuff. And their face goes. And then you just have to say, our borders are closed and we're kicking out the undesirables.

[B]

I like the use of the term undesirable. That's a good one.

[A]

Well, isn't that the truth?

[B]

The undesirable, it's just a term nobody uses anymore.

[A]

It's good.

[B]

Perfect. Very apt.

[A]

It's good. It's good. And then I guess the only other thing that I noticed here is the ratio of commercials to programming is worse than the United states. It is 21 commercials to every 12 minutes of programming, no matter what time of day. 21.

[B]

21 commercials of what length?

[A]

Varying between 15 and 60. So what they do here a lot is they'll have a 60 and then they'll have another commercial and they'll come back with a 15 second which is a, like a little bonus for the one previous. So they'll, you know, they'll do a thing for some chocolate and then there's like washing powder and they'll say, hey, don't, don't forget that chocolate is really good. Do that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I don't think we do that in the States anymore, do we?

[B]

It's been done, but it hasn't, it's not popular.

[A]

Yeah. So I do have a clip here about the extreme ban on burgers and petrol and cruises from someone who is very disappointed.

[B]

It was just meat. Deny my understanding.

[A]

It's all climate stuff.

[B]

Anything that has to do with fossil

[A]

fuel, yes, Cruise lines, airlines, petrol, cars, all of that is for boating. Now the Dutch Amsterdam putting in place a ban that is so extreme it is attracted worldwide attention. Before I get to that though, certainly in recent years the Netherlands has seen some pretty extreme policies. I mean in the name of the so called green agenda and to comply with EU rules. This is a very good Dutch government for some reason wanted to close down thousands of farms, remember that across the country to cut down nitrogen pollution and even went this far, that if farmers refused to sell up, that the Dutch authorities would push ahead with compulsory purchases of farms to shut them down. And what you've now seen is this in Amsterdam, that there is now a ban in place for certain public adverts. So Amsterdam now from the 1st of May, so this has come into effect now. Adverts for burgers, petrol, cars, air travel and cruises banned from appearing on billboards, tram shelters or metro stations because of the outlook on environmental targets from the Amsterdam authorities who for some reason want to reduce local Meat consumption. And yeah, believe it or not, this is now the policy being implemented in Amsterdam. And things could get even more extreme in terms of Amsterdam because it seems now the city actually looking at banning cruise ships completely, that they're going to look to end sea Cruises by 2035. They've already decided to reduce the number of cruise ships allowed to dock in Amsterdam. They that nearly halved and they're now looking at banning cruise ships, something that of course will cost them a huge amount of money in terms of port and tourist taxes. And what is not reported is they have reduced the number of slots available at the airport. So to fly direct to Amsterdam is, is expensive. It's, I mean it's already expensive because of oil price and jet fuel availability, but there's even more. I mean you look at the ticket, it's 75% is taxes and fees and carbon and extra airport fees just because they don't have enough slots for airplane. This is a huge hub international airport. The Dutch are crazy. And everyone's complaining about the Prime Minister twinkle toes who suckered all the young people in by being openly gay. Like, oh yes, lgbtq. It's gonna be great. And this kid, all he does is stuff for rich people. So this is a country in decline. Sad to see.

[B]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Kill the cruise lines and then taking an international hub of major importance and screw it.

[A]

Yeah, that's exactly what.

[B]

Why?

[A]

To save the world.

[B]

Climate change. Are they, are they nuts?

[A]

Yes. And check this. So taxi, Eric. It isn't a full blown law yet, but they're going to disallow all diesel cars and trucks from the city center and soon it will be, I think that may already be in effect. And most of these cabs, you know, these Mercedes cabs, all used to drive on diesel of course, because it's much cheaper here. And so now they're going to ban petrol cars. So he got a hybrid and he can drive about 100km on battery alone, which is enough to drive into the city center and out, you know, a couple times a day. But they have so many electric vehicles and such a lack of energy available and grid capacity that he can't even get a three phase charger at home. He has to plug this thing into the wall and it takes four hours to charge something that could charge in 25 minutes. And there are new homes being built that will never get electricity. We can't extend the grid to these new homes where they already have hundreds of thousands of homes in Shortage because they've given it to all the asylum seekers. This is crazy. Why people are not revolting here? I don't understand.

[B]

It was a long term strategy and I understand it now. That's why you legalize marijuana and magic mushrooms.

[A]

Woo. It's all good, brother. Yeah, there you go. You nailed it. You nailed it. I don't know what they're going to do in what they're going to do in Hungary. Here's the latest update. Now they got the new guy in. It's a new era for Hungary.

[B]

Peter Modior is set to take his

[A]

oath as Prime Minister inside Budapest Neo Gothic Parliament. He has called on Hungarians to mark the day with a huge party celebrating the end of the Orban era. We must immediately begin putting our country

[B]

back in order, bringing home EU funds, restarting the economy and improving public services, as well as healing the wounds caused over recent decades, reunifying the Hungarian nation

[A]

and of course ensuring justice so that

[B]

those who committed the crimes of the previous system are held accountable.

[A]

Was it that bad? Did we just miss all the reporting? I thought everyone loved Orban.

[B]

They did. The corruption I got. I think got too much or ramped up. I have a report from the BBC. It's similar.

[A]

Okay, hold on a second. Let me see. Is it under Hungary? Why, yes, it is. Okay. A town in Japan has removed its longtime mayor because it's unconscious. The town assembly of Hachirogata in the northeastern Akita prefecture. Wait a minute. Why does it say Hungry New guy? Why am I hearing stuff about Japan?

[B]

That's what I'd like to know.

[A]

Do you think it's still coming or

[B]

do you have a Japan clip that I never heard? This clip.

[A]

This is under your clip says Hungary. New guy, one BBC. Interesting.

[B]

Let it play.

[A]

She would have no confidence motion against Amir, who's been on medical leaves and suffering a brain hemorrhage in February. It means he'll automatically lose his position in. The problem in Hungary is they're now speaking Japanese. We've got a real situation on our hands. Oh, here we go. It's a bad edit. It was a moment of pomp and ceremony in Budapest today. A fanfare sounded as new members of Parliament came into the plenary chamber to watch Peter Moja, who won a landslide victory in last month's general election, being sworn in as prime minister. In his inaugural speech. Mr. Moja said one of his government's first steps would be to create an independent office to investigate corruption over the past 20 years. That's the period covering the government of his predecessor, viktor Orban. Afterwards, Mr. Mozha gave another speech to his supporters outside the Parliament, saying his premiership would mark a new beginning for his country.

[B]

Take it with you.

[A]

Take this day with you as a memory and remember this day for your whole life. Maybe one day you will, you will show it to your children, to your grandchildren that this is how it was. This is how it was in 2026, the first day of the free and democratic Hungary. All right, all right. Okay.

[B]

Well, new guy, you know, the funny thing is, you know that people, I think they did like Orban to a point, but I guess is this. The scandals were too much. But the other thing is, wasn't this or Bond going to be a dictator for life and it was never going to be removed?

[A]

Yeah, that was typical.

[B]

That's the same thing with Trump. You guys going to stay in office for. Of course, I like the fact that Trump jokes about it.

[A]

It's funny.

[B]

He had some joke the other day about it. He says, well, maybe in about a decade when I'm not in office anymore.

[A]

He played it on the show was about his.

[B]

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, play it again. No, don't play it again.

[A]

No, I'm not gonna play it again. What I'm gonna play is I got some brand new hot off the press stuff from this morning from the Sunday morning shows. Thank you to Steve the clip collector. We gotta talk about hantavirus. I mean, everyone's talking about the Hanta. Hanta is one of the things.

[B]

You know, it's funny, before you play that, there's been a couple of pieces going around saying, claiming. Yes, the whole thing is a fake.

[A]

Oh, I haven't seen that. The whole thing is.

[B]

Yeah, the whole thing is bogus. The people that have died didn't die of Hanta. Oh, and this just is a complete creation to try to get people.

[A]

No, I can assure you the dead Dutch people are really dead.

[B]

Well, they might be dead, but are they dead from Hanta? Oh, well, one of them, somebody apparently died of old age.

[A]

It happens to the best of us. Now, what I love about this is we're just rewinding the movie. We're inserting a new word. We're bringing back the same puppets. Who do you want to talk to right away when there's something deadly going on?

[B]

Peter Hotez?

[A]

No, that's when we're. That's. We don't have a vaccine yet. We're not there yet.

[B]

What do you mean? They get, you know, they get 15 in the works, right?

[A]

We got to go back to the genesis. Who was the first guy? You need? You need the first guy.

[B]

Come on. Well, it's not Fauci.

[A]

No, it's Osterholm. Osterholm.

[B]

Oh, oh, oh, that guy. Yeah.

[A]

I'm joined now by one of the top infectious disease specialists in the country, Dr. Michael Osterholm, the one who. Who scared our wits. Scared us out of our wits when we started with the COVID Even before.

[B]

Wasn't he the guy you ran into at Rogan?

[A]

Yeah, when. When Rogan was still in Los Angeles. Yeah, exactly. And he was like, oh, yeah. Oh, it's really bad. Oh, millions are going to die of

[C]

the University of Minnesota.

[B]

It's good to see you this morning.

[A]

Thank you. Most Americans, of course, had never even heard of the hantavirus, so you can

[B]

understand the kind of fear.

[A]

But we are.

[B]

What's it. What's his name? What's his name's wife died of it was the actor Gene Hackman's wife died of hantavirus. And it was all over the news. We've heard of it.

[A]

Well, it's interesting you bring that up. Are you kidding? It's interesting you bring that up because. Yes, that was one of the things that I was curious about myself. I think we actually have a clip still. Where is it? I'll find it told again and again. This is not COVID 19.

[B]

Don't worry.

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You're among those people saying that.

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Yes.

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Thank you. And first of all, happy Mother's Day to you. Thank you. Bye bye. In fact, the good news is, is that in a sense, it is hantavirus and not another coronavirus or influenza virus. This is one that has very limited ability to be transmitted person to person. In fact, it's a rare exception. And so we have no question about the fact that this really is on the end of its run right now. And they're very possibly, maybe not no additional cases from here on out.

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And I know originally you catch it from rat feces or urine.

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How many cakes? Why doesn't you just say rat poop? Feces. And people don't understand that word anymore, Martha. Pieces are there generally. Good point. Yeah. Just say rad poop. It's okay.

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I think you're right. I don't think people know what the word feces means.

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I think it's too technical for Americans these days. Just call it rat poop.

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Original.

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And you hear her thinking about it, like, should I say rat poop? Should I say rat turds? Like feces. Catch it from rat feces. You See how she.

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Yeah, you're right. That one bead, you catch it from rat feces or urine.

[A]

How many cases are there generally in a year? In the United States, there are about 30 cases a year on average. And they mostly occur west of Mississippi. About 96% are west of Mississippi. And it has to do with the kind of mouse that lives west of. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Now we switch all of a sudden from rat to mouse.

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Yeah, I don't like it.

[A]

I don't like that. And now he says it's west of the Mississippi because of a certain kind of mouse.

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Yeah.

[A]

What happened to rat? The rats are out a deer mouse. And they're the ones that really contain the virus in terms of what happens around. The rest of the world is different with different strains of hantavirus. And the one that really raised our concerns with this boat related transmission is the one from South America. You hear what he's saying here? Would really raise our concerns with this boat related transmission. So there's a little. He's being sneaky about this because we

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know about the Andean strain.

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That's a different. And that is hemorrhagic. The Andean strain is like Ebola Zika without the small heads.

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Not Zika. Zika's not hemorrhagic. Oh, it's the other one, Marfan Marbur. Marlboro.

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The Marlboro Marlboro.

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We gotta really nail it, people.

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Nailed it. Concerns with this boat related transmission is the one from South America, which is called the Andes strain. And that one actually on occasion has resulted in person to person transmission. Huh? You see, he's caging it. He's being careful. But he's slippery, this one. And supposedly, yeah, he's sneaking it in. And supposedly you aren't passing that or transmitting that unless you're symptomatic. Right.

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Right.

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Now you can manage the individuals who've been exposed very simply by asking, oh, how can we manage? What do you think we can manage them with? Come on, come on. What can we manage? What is the way to manage every virus, by the way?

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I want to stop the clip. What did he say was the number of cases every year?

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30.

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As of the end of 2023, 690 cases of hantavirus have been reported in the United States. Oh, okay. Since surveillance began in 93. Okay. Probably it's possible.

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All right. Asking them twice a day. Are you experiencing any kind of a fever? And then take the temperature. Do you have any symptoms? If somebody is identified right up there.

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Are you bleeding from your ey.

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You can put basically an N95 mask on. Oh, okay. Back to the N95 mask.

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Oh, no.

[A]

We know this doesn't stop anything of the kind and stop all transmission. All transmission stops with the N95. So this is why we don't need this high tech, you know, containment facilities, etcetera, to monitor these people. We can monitor them very simply. And should they stay home, I know these 17Americans are coming back, shelter in place, going to Nebraska. They will be checked, self isolate and then they sent home. And this is just a trust thing. Just check your fever. Are you happy with that? Well, you know, it's not actually just a trust thing. In a sense, people really do respond to participating in this for their own health as well as the health of those around them. We've had a lot of experience with this in the past. Ebola was a good example. When we had all of our returning healthcare workers coming back from Africa back in 2015-2017, we monitored them twice a day for their temperature, temperature and for any symptoms. And that worked very, very well. So I have complete confidence that we will have good compliance here. And I think within days this will no longer be a story. Okay, all right. Within days it will no longer be a story. Why would you even say that? This is how he gets on tv. I would say check back in a few days, we'll see if it's no longer a story. Okay, he's certain. One more clip with him. Even the people who were let off the ship earlier at the end of April and are now some of them back in the United States, nowhere. No worries there in the sense that they're going to be monitored now as they weren't before. Oh, no worries, because we can monitor them. But again, none of them have had any symptoms onsets, have had no suggestion of infection. The same is true with all the individuals disembarking right now today. There's no evidence any of those individuals were sick. And if you look at what happened, the first person that came on the ship brought it with them. And you can basically explain all the cases that have occurred to date around exposure just to that one individual, not to multiple people transmitting the virus. Thanks so much for joining us this morning. Thank you. Put us at ease. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, at ease. You're right, John. We go back to March of 2025. It wasn't all that long ago. Here was the report we played on the show tonight. New Mexico authorities with tragic revelations to

[B]

a week long mystery Saying Gene Hackman died of heart disease and complications from Alzheimer's, likely a week after his wife Betsy died of the rare, deadly disease Haun.

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The cause of death for Mr. Gene Hackman, aged 95 years, is hypertensive and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, with Alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor.

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The cause of death for Miss Betsy

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Hackman, aged 65 years, is hantavirus pulmonary syndrome. Pulmonary syndrome. Now, I think that's the. Isn't that the Andes version?

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That's what I. No, I'm not sure at this point. Oh, I'm not sure either.

[A]

Well, here's the thing that I've been.

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One is pulmonary and the other one is internal organs or something.

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So here's the thing that I haven't seen any reporting on. Surprise. In the Pfizer document, the one that was foia. The one that was supposed to be locked up for 70 years.

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75.

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95 years. Hantavirus pulmonary infection is on the adverse event special interest list.

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What?

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Yes, for the Pfizer vaccine. The RNA vaccine.

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Are they so careless when they manufacture it that they got hantavirus in the vaccine, you think?

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Well, first of all, it's on page 33, which just tickles me.

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Okay, that's good news.

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So I'm feeling better already, but. So there's two ways of looking at. I don't think hantavirus was included in it. The way I read it, and it's a very technical document, so we'll have to have other people read it and tell us what we're seeing here. The way I read it is that if you have had hantavirus, which could be a mild case, you got a fever, some rat poop slipped into your yogurt, whatever, you didn't die. You didn't die. It happens. Especially if you're west of the Mississippi,

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eating Texas, by the way, is one of the states.

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Waffle House.

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Waffle House.

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That it can then bring back the exact same symptoms that you had from hantavirus. So the hantavirus is kind of dormant inside of you, perhaps.

[B]

Wow, it sounds like herpes.

[A]

Yes. Like bad Mexican food. It comes back all of a sudden. Yes.

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Which doesn't make any sense, but.

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Okay, well, this is.

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But go ahead, Kara.

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This is what I'm reading, so that would kind of make sense if you think about Gene Hackman's wife. Think she was vaxxed? Do you think these people were vaccinated?

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Oh, absolutely. Are you kidding? Of course she was.

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So this is what could possibly create something that looks like a pandemic, which would be, in fact, a pandemic of death. So I'm not so cavalier about all this.

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Oh, I see what you're saying. What you're saying is that because there could be numerous, maybe thousands of cases of dormant antivirus infections out there because of the nature of it, based on this paper. Page 33.

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Hello.

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It's possible that they could all be triggered by the COVID shot.

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Yes, exactly.

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And then you can use that as leverage.

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Wow.

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For another fake pandemic.

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Check it out. This warning sits. You nailed it. This warning sits alongside about 20 herpes family virus reactivation symptoms. Also Zika, Guillaume, barre, and there's 1300 other adverse event of special interest categories that Pfizer was cataloging as known events from day one in the document they wanted to hide for almost 100 years.

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And so this is the gift that keeps on giving.

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Imagine my surprise when WHO shows up on CBS this Morning. Come on. You know who that is now?

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Hotez?

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No, who's the Pfizer douche?

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Oh, yeah, the guy who's on the board.

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For more now, we turn to former FDA commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb. He also serves on the boards of Pfizer and United Healthcare. Welcome back, Doctor.

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Thank you.

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So he already sounds bad, doesn't he? Like, he's like, welcome back, Don.

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It's almost like he's rolling his eyes like, I gotta do this again. Or.

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Or maybe he's like, I hope they don't ask about that document. Please don't ask about the document. Whatever you do, don't ask about the document. Welcome back, Doctor.

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Thank you.

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So There have been three deaths linked to the outbreak here in the U.S. there are some six states monitoring potential exposure, all either linked to the ship itself or flights of people who had been on the ship. And then those 17Americans. Do you agree with the CDC and the World Health Organization that the risk to public health is low?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, I do agree with that. We have to concede that there's still things we don't know about this virus. We haven't had to grapple with many outbreaks in the past. There's been two large outbreaks in Argentina, but based on that experience, what we know is that typically for transmission, you have to have close contact. We also know that people typically aren't contagious unless they're showing signs of the infection itself in what we call the Prodromo phase.

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Prodromo. We have never heard of the Prodromo phase.

[B]

No, I've Never heard this.

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Where they start to have an onset of symptoms and the progression from that onset of symptoms to severe disease. And in these cases, death is typically just days. This is a very aggressive virus. And so based on what we know, the transmission risk is low. Now, that said, when you look back at the past experience, there are these outlier cases where there appears to have been transmission among people who weren't perceived to be in close contact. And so there are these cases that we need to look at closely from the past experience and just be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully about this virus. I will say that we are nearing the end of the transmission window for the patient.

[A]

Transmission window? What is he. Is he broadcasting now to the satellite transmission window? Transmission window is almost closed.

[C]

That we need to look at closely.

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Good show title.

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Yeah, I think so.

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From the past experience. And just be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully about this virus. I will say that we are nearing the end of the transmission window for the people who are being repatriated here in the US and so it looks to me like the last death on that cruise ship was May 2. That patient had an onset of symptoms on April 28. If you believe that the incubation period is about.

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If you believe. How about some science, Dr. Gottlieb? What is this believe crap?

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Cruise ship was May 2nd. That patient had an onset of symptoms on April 28th. If you believe that the incubation period is about two to six weeks, they'll be at the peak of that incubation cycle some point this week. So I think we're about two weeks away from knowing whether or not there'll be additional cases that come from that initial outbreak on the cruise ship.

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Well, hold on a second. That contradicts what Osterholm said. He said, nah, it's over. This is done. This is toast. Now Gottlieb is giving us two weeks transmission window space. I don't like this at all. And of course, the one thing that will not help, do not listen to the Internet. Whatever you do, whatever you do, do not. I mean, telling you, do not take horse dewormer. So a key moment here. I mean, the WHO said it's very clear this is not Covid all over again. But as you know, it has ignited some of the very same skeptics who, during the pandemic, really questioned our government institutions. And the response? The WHO has said there is no research that ivermectin is an effective treatment for the Virus. There's no research. It doesn't say that it's not effective. There's no research. Well, of course not. We've never had an outbreak of Renta virus. I'm wondering what you make of these calls for alternative treatments and resistance of government health advice. What alternative. There's no treatment. What alternative treatment is this? This might be a primary treatment. These people make me mad.

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I'm sorry, but according to the ivermectin freaks. Ivermectin. The hantavirus is another rna.

[A]

Yes.

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Virus, which are very easily thwarted by ivermectin.

[A]

Ivermectin, man. It'll heal your broken elbow. I mean, ivermectin is like. All you need when you travel is ivermectin and gaffer tape and you're good to go.

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Look, I think we're gonna be relitigating the consequences of COVID for a long time. And I think a lot of people who are in public health positions right now believe that their tenure and their appointment to these positions is a referendum on Covid in some respects. And so that goes through their public comments. This is not Covid. It's not going to spread like a pandemic virus like Covid did, like a coronavirus did. It spreads far less efficiently. There aren't any treatments, successful treatments, for this virus. Ivermectin certainly isn't an effective treatment just by virtue of its mechanism. It doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication in the nucleus, not the cytoplasm, where this virus replicates. It's just not gonna work.

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What? What?

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Wait a minute. It makes it sound like it did work against other things. What did he just say?

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He said, nucleus of maca.

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It works. It does work, then in some situations,

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in the nucleus of the microplasm.

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It doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication in the nucleus, not the. The cytoplasm with this virus replicates. It's just not going to work. So I would encourage people not to use that. I know that there's been some things on social media suggesting that people should stockpile ivermectin. We don't have an effective treatment for hantavirus. And that would. That's what makes this very menacing.

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Now, wait, you said that there's 15 hantavirus vaccines already in the making. Is that.

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Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Is that true, or you just said that off the cuff?

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No, that's absolutely true. That many? So the army's got one, the Navy's got. There's all these different ones. There's a big list of them floating around. People are mocking the list.

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Now, if I were. The global liberal world order and I'm hating everything Trump is doing. He's wrecking our party. He's screwing it up with what he's doing with oil, he's screwing it up with the banking. He's screwing up. He doesn't want to help Ukraine. He's not playing ball with us. Why wouldn't they just pull the same trick they did in 2019? You're telling me no one has, has, has tabletop this. No one has war gamed it and

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said, in fact, two weeks ago there was a. One of those things that you always like to bitch about.

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Yeah, the war game. Exercise.

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There was an exercise.

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What was that original one called for Covid E4201 event. Event 201.

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Event 201.

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Yeah. I mean, wouldn't you just. I mean, it's. These are the exact same people. Wouldn't they be like, oh, this is great, we can get rid of that Trump.

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I don't think they can. They can pull this one off. You can't do it with antivirus.

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They've already got him in a bad situation.

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You know, it's like, come on, boys, we can do better than this.

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Listen to the gaggle.

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Yes, I have. Can you tell us what you've learned in these briefings? Well, I think you're going to be told everything and you already have. It's very much, we hope, under control. It was the ship and I think we're going to make a full report about it tomorrow. We have a lot of people, a lot of great people are studying it. It should be fine, we hope.

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Should everybody be concerned that it would have spread it? How are you?

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I hope not. I mean, I hope not. We'll do the best we can. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And so a lot of great people. This was not left unturned this stone by CBS and Gottlieb about a lot of great people. You served in the first Trump administration as his FDA commissioner in the first term. The person in that job now has been a guest on this program, Dr. Marty Makarya. He was a vocal critic of COVID response during Trump and Biden. There's a lot of reporting right now that his current position that he's at risk of losing his job, given how important the FDA is, they regulate. I saw one fifth of consumer spending in this country. How damaging would it be to lose its leader? And is there someone who could step in Quickly,

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no one obvious to me. And there's been some reporting about different candidates that could work on an interim basis there. Marty's a friend. You know, I think that that's a very difficult job. It, as you said, regulates about 20% of the U.S. economy. Products that are very important to people's lives. Medical products, food, food safety. And so there's a lot of debate and consternation about decisions that get made at fda. And so it's been a controversial position for whoever has held that job, including me. You know, I got criticized for decisions that I made in that position as well. I think the continued upheaval at FDA has been detrimental to the agency. Not just the speculation about Marty's fate, but also the departures that we've seen from the agency. The agency has lost thousands of medical reviewers. Some voluntary through the DOGE cuts, or some forced through the DOGE cuts. Involuntary means, some voluntary. There's been a lot of voluntary departures from the agency. If you look at the oncology division, they had a starting strength of about 100 medical reviewers. the beginning of this administration, they're down to about 50. The hematological group reviews drugs for leukemia and lymphoma had 21 medical reviewers, and it's down to six reviewers.

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These aren't doctors. These are reviewers who approve stuff. You know, they're pharma shills.

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They lost an entire breast cancer review team. So there's been a lot of departures from the agency. You've seen political appointees take over what are typically career leadership positions, running the medical product centers, the drug center, and the biologic center. So I think, cumulatively, that's taken a toll on the agency. And this continued speculation that we saw on Friday, I think is just going to be another step downward.

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Yeah, I'm just saying they're setting it up. They're setting it up in case they need to if they decide to pull the trigger. All you need is the media. All you need is a bunch of people who have this adverse event, this is adverse event, special investigation thing that reactivates this hentavirus. I mean, it's clear that there's a lot of things going on with side effects of, I would say, specifically the Pfizer mRNA. Hate to say it, not with everybody, for sure. Praise God. Two of our daughters are still good and they've been vaxxed to the hilt.

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Lots of. Lots of boosters.

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Many boosters. Yes.

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Many, many boosters.

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It hurts my heart, man. So, luckily, luckily, they're okay. Now, if you don't mind. Just want to stay on the pharma tip for a second because I would have saved this for later on in the show, but Gottlieb went into this, and I have a couple of clips from a recent MAHA Institute. And this is the MKULTRA that we've been talking about of SSRIs. And I don't think people understand how big of a disaster this is, except for Kamala Harris's stepdaughter, who paused from crocheting to think, hmm, I've been on these things for over a decade. I wonder if there's something up with that. So here's Gottlieb. He leads us right down the path. I wanna ask you about some of current leadership there. Secretary Kennedy was speaking about the use of antidepressants in this country. Almost 17% of Americans use them. He says they're over prescribed. And he compared his experience of heroin withdrawal to a family member's experience getting off antidepressants known as SSRIs. Take a listen. I watched a family member get off of them after a couple of years on them, and she was suicidal literally every day. She woke up every morning and said, I don't want to live. And she said, the only reason I'm staying alive is for you guys, for the family. He later said that he was not telling people to stop if they're taking that medication. But what do you make of his description of antidepressants as risky?

[C]

Look, these are prescribed in a primary care setting, like any drug that's prescribed in that setting. I'm sure there's some marginal prescribing, you know, isolated. Marginal prescribing.

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What does that mean, marginal prescribing? Does that mean over prescribing? Is that a tricky term?

[B]

I think what he means by marginal is that maybe the person doesn't need that drug, but they get it prescribed anyway. They're on the margin.

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Okay.

[C]

But for most Americans to take these drugs, they're very important and in some cases, lifesaving. And I would encourage everyone who is thinking about potentially stopping these medications based on the Secretary's comments to consult their doctor. There is a period of time that patients need to be weaned off these drugs. They can be successfully weaned off these drugs if they can be. If you're lucky, they want to be. And there's alternatives that could be effective for their mental health. But nobody should just stop these drugs outright without being under the consultation of a medical provider. I worry that the secretary's comments is going to discourage legitimate use of these drugs in the same way that his comments around Tylenol discouraged use of Tylenol in the setting of pregnancy, where it could be very important for certain pregnant women who need pain relief and fever relief in that setting. And we saw a lot of women.

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Oh, quick, quick. I love that little pivot. Hey, these guys are stupid about Tylenol. Don't talk about the ssri. Shh.

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And move away from those drugs. Use of those drugs, even appropriate use of those drugs. Based on the secretary's comments about that, I worry about the same thing here. It's clear that the secretary wants to put downward pressure on the prescribing. He tried to implement regulatory steps to do that as well. And so it is concerning.

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So I got a couple of boots on the ground since we've been talking about this topic. First one from Laudance, and she is 35, she lives in Amsterdam, was put on Lexapro in 2021. Says, I want to support your take on SSRIs by sharing my own experience. 2021, I was 35. A well meaning doctor here in Amsterdam put me on Lexapro, a strong ssri. It made me extremely agitated, not to mention aggressive, and I'm normally a pretty relaxed person. While I was taking this, I started spending most of my weekends drinking black coffee, watching very violent video games on YouTube. The kind of games where you're ripping monsters in half with a chainsaw. I had no interest in playing these games. I just enjoyed the graphic violence. Again, normally I'm a pretty relaxed person, but these drugs made me aggressive and hypomanic. SSRIs boost serotonin, and serotonin is a substance that makes you feel safe and dominant. So it's not hard to imagine why this. This could lead to dangerous behavior. Of course, doctors are not all aware, since these kinds of side effects could easily be attributed to something else. Maybe you're having a difficult time at work. You just need to meditate. And doctors mean well, but they don't have the time. So maybe they just prescribe you some benzos, which is not the same as SSRIs, to calm you down. At any rate, getting off SSRIs is its own form of torture, with mood changes, brain zaps, and lots of other fun stuff that will haunt you until the end of your days. Getting off these drugs was absolutely the right thing for me. And I think listening to the show first put into my head how dangerous these drugs can be. John, another score. Pharmacology Note, Lexapro, which is the medical term, is escitalopram, is recognized as having one of the highest affinities and top tier selectivity for serotonin transportation among SSRIs, often considered the most typical or selective due to its minimal binding to other receptors. And so the Maha Institute, which is a RFK junior symposium, had this. Dr. Anders Sorensen from, I think he's Norway or Denmark, and he gave a little spiel. I clipped three, four short clips about SSRIs. They're short. One of them is 35 seconds. So they're short about SSRIs and getting off of them. So in 2018, a study was published in the BMJ asking one very simple question. Do parachutes reduce the risk of death when jumping from an aircraft? The researchers compared two groups, one jumping with and one without. The result, no significant difference between the groups. Parachutes, it seemed, offered no protective effect compared to those jumping without one. But there was one small detail hidden in the methods section, which you of course always remember to read. All participants had jumped from an aircraft parked on the ground from an average of half a meter. And as the authors noted, one should be cautious in extrapolating their findings to real world high altitude jumps. We might laugh at this silly study,

[C]

but it stops being funny when you

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realize we're doing something very similar in psychiatry today. Fast forward to 2025. A study in the American Journal of Medicine compared how long antidepressants were studied in the randomized trials we rely on compared to how long people actually take them. The median duration of the trials was eight weeks, meaning that most participants had only been on these drugs for two months. And the median duration of real world use in the US five years. So we're using short term evidence to guide long term treatment. And that gap matters, especially when it comes to. To dependence and withdrawal. Yeah, so you can already see where this is going, that they have no idea how bad these things are if you want to get off of them. Since 1997, SSRI withdrawal has been described as mostly mild and self limiting, lasting a week or two, mentioning only a handful of the more than 80 reported symptoms. That's what the guidelines say because they're based on short term trials, far from reality. So what happens in practice? People who've been on these drugs for years, decades, are tapered off as if they've been taking them for months, often by aggressively halving the dose, halving again and then stopping. And when that goes wrong, which it often does, the call it a relapse of an underlying condition. Conclusion, you still need the medication. So back on the drug, symptoms resolve, and the therapeutic elution is complete. It looks like the drug is treating an underlying illness, when in fact it might be just relieving withdrawal. But before we conclude a relapse, which of course could be the case, withdrawal has to be ruled out first. All right, so what are some of these symptoms? What's confusing is that withdrawal from psychiatric drug isn't just physical symptoms. It's not just dizziness, nausea, headaches, muscle pain, shaking, burning sensations, fatigue. I mean, it's that, too.

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But it's also anxiety, insomnia, irritability, depressed

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mood, mood swings, brain fork, difficulty concentrating, intrusive thoughts. Withdrawal can mimic relapse or new diagnosis for which there are also drugs. The symptoms overlap, and if you don't recognize withdrawal, you will misinterpret it. SSRIs are definitely not harder to quit than heroin, says producer Tim. That's only a commentary on heroin, not on SSRIs. They're incredibly difficult to quit. The long and short of it is you have to go. You go incredibly crazy in sort of a bipolar mood swing kind of way for the duration of your withdrawal, which is about a month. Medical best practice is to very precisely titrate off the dose over a span of several months. But again, I found out the hard way, a lot of doctors just don't know what they're supposed to do. Final clip. Which tells you the story that we already know from these from previous medications, and we've been here before. Historically, we saw it with benzodiazepines, introduced first as safe and effective with minimal concern of dependence, until decades later, dependence and severe withdrawal became undeniable. Then we saw it again with opioids, again aggressively marketed as safe and effective for chronic pain. Until we had an epidemic. The pattern is the same.

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A new drug is introduced, framed as

[A]

safe and effective, gets widely prescribed. Then people start having trouble coming off it. Then research begins to confirm what patients are experiencing. But that research is pushed aside, ignored, because it challenges the prevailing paradigm. It's textbook paradigm shifts from Thomas Kuhn's 1962 classic. So prescribing continues, and recognition comes years, often decades later. And then the cycle repeats with new safe and effective. Until we understand this, the body doesn't care what we call the drug or what receptors it acts on. It just adapts, setting the stage for withdrawal, independence. Yep, there it is. I like the fact that we at least got one person off or at least to consider it you know, some

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couple years ago, Francine Hardaway sent a note in.

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Oh, goodness.

[B]

Similar tale of woe about this.

[A]

We haven't heard from Dame Francine in eons.

[B]

Oh, I stay in touch with her.

[A]

Oh, good. How's she doing?

[B]

She's writing a lot. She has a substack. She writes these personal anecdotes and she's got about a book's worth of material.

[A]

Oh, wow. Does she still listen to the show?

[B]

I doubt it.

[A]

So what did she have to say?

[B]

Oh, she said these things are the worst. You can't get off them.

[A]

Yeah, well, you can, apparently, but it's not easy. It's not easy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, maybe we'll save one more person. John.

[B]

You know, there was a presentation floating around on YouTube and I'll try to get it, dig it up and flip it, get it to the show. Notes of all these different drugs, from Darvon to Quaaludes. One thing after another. I think there's like the top 25 drugs that have been taken off the market. And an underlying theme is, well, they had some data, but they kept it to themselves. It's like a theme. The drug companies say. It's like, now you have to wonder what the deal is with some of these drugs. Are doctors being. Is there evidence that doctors are bribed? I mean, the pediatric doctors are totally bribed to get to vex up the kids.

[A]

Well, they also.

[B]

Or they kick you out of a practice.

[A]

No, this system is clear. Like, the drug goes to the. To all those people on the review team who Kennedy has fired and replaced. Their former.

[B]

I'm talking about at the street level. Doctors being paid off.

[A]

No, but.

[B]

No, but prescribed drugs.

[A]

No, but listen, this is what I'm saying. The first part is it goes to the fda. The FDA has the shills. The shills goes. It looks good to me. I mean, whatever you showed me, I don't want to see anything else that's good. Then it gets a safe and effective approval. Then the reps go to the doctors and they say, safe and effective. Would you like to buy some? Would you like to serve this to your. To your patients? And here's a set of golf clubs, and here's a speech. We all saw the documentary, and here's a party, and here's a cruise, and, you know, et cetera, et cetera, because they've been told it's safe and effective. Their butts are covered by the FDA. The whole system is crooked. And I think RFK Jr. Is doing something here. It does seem like that he's creating some awareness through a podcast. Yay. Because you're not going to see it on cnn, who live by this stuff. That's the other part of it.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah. So the doctors, they have. What is it. What is the term. About culpability? They.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Yes, you do. There's a term that says

[B]

liability, indemnification. Are we talking about.

[A]

Oh, no, this, like, where you have a way to show that you couldn't have known because you.

[B]

Oh, yeah, right. Plausible deniability.

[A]

Plausible deniability. Thank you. There you go. Boomer moment for both of us. Yes.

[B]

Not for me.

[A]

Okay, for me, then. Boomer adjacent moment. Plausible deniability. Yeah. It's sick. It's sick, I tell you. Sick, sick, sick, sick.

[B]

Well, it is bad.

[A]

Yeah, that's very.

[B]

All right, let's get to politics, because

[A]

big news in the uk.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. This was great.

[B]

Yeah. The UK Labor. And preface to these, I only have three clips, but you don't need that much of it to understand what's going on. The election took place,

[A]

the council elections. This was live on television.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was the little locals, the little local elections. Yes.

[B]

And the labor just ate it. And now everyone's predicting that both labor and the Conservatives. They. Conservatives did not do well. Nope.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

That both these parties may be going the way of the. You know, the way of the dojo. And maybe these new parties will be coming up, especially led by Farage's operation.

[A]

Yeah. The Reform Reform Party.

[B]

Yeah. Which. Which he started because he got. Basically quit the other one. What was the one he started before? Was it called. He had another party.

[A]

Was it the Brexit Party? Wasn't that the Brexit Party?

[B]

No, no, it was pk. It was UK something. It had some jazzy sound to it. It was very similar to the Reform Party, but it was different and he had to quit it because there were too many nutballs that had joined it.

[A]

It happens.

[B]

Yeah. So he just started a new party, which has done quite well. But let's play what's happening here this election shift BBC.

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The beleaguered British Prime Minister Keir Starmer has again insisted he isn't going anywhere. Following the disastrous results for his governing Labour Party in English local elections and the devolved parliamentary votes in Scotland and Wales. I think we have to set out the path ahead, and that's what I intend to do in coming days. How we rebuild, how we convince people about hope for the future. And we haven't got done enough of that. So I will be setting that out with clarity about my convictions and my values, what drives me forward on this. Keir Starmer has now invited two veteran Labour politicians to help rebrand his premiership, including the former Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. But some MPs within the party are continuing to call for him to set a timetable for his departure after Labour suffered huge losses, mainly to the right wing populist Reform Party. Our UK political correspondent Rob Watson says it's a seismic shift in party allegiances. The more I've reflected on it overnight, Alex, the bigger and the more significant it seems. Because it really does seem as though the old order has crumbled and a new order is taking shape. And I rate it up there as being as significant. This ending of the duopoly of Conservatives and Labor with the creation of the welfare state after the Second World War in 1945, with the Suez crisis in the 1950s, where Britain ceased to be an imperial power after its humiliation, Mrs. Thatcher coming to power in 1979 and the Brexit vote. I think it is that big. It's that significant. And while it's true that the Labour Party is flirting with that and will no doubt get rid of Keir Starmer in the not too distant future, well, certainly between now and the next election, it was the UK Independence Party.

[B]

Right. Ukip, I looked it up.

[A]

Ukip, yep.

[B]

Ukip, yeah. They became nutty. And so he bailed out after they

[A]

tried to kill him. Remember they tried to kill him with the plane crash? Yeah, plane crash.

[B]

Oh, the plane crash. Right, right, right.

[A]

Of course, they always try to kill these people.

[B]

Yeah. Again, did clip too.

[A]

The factors driving this are just unlikely to go away. And they're three and they're not unique to Britain. The first one is the economic squee. I mean, a lot of this anger is driven by voters feeling that they're living standard. Oh, really? That's the only thing, really. That's all that it is.

[B]

That's. That's just one

[A]

about housing. And the economic forecast for the next decade suggest Britain is not going to grow. So that's number one. Number two is just Keir Starmer's own personal unpopularity. He is so unpopular. I mean, it is just extraordinary. It's almost off the scale. No politician has ever come back from that. And that. Then the third one is these, what you might call culture, values, issues, identity issues. And that is the anger that's out there in Britain, as in so many other countries, about immigration, social cohesion, multiculturalism, how you treat British history. And that Again, does not look like dissipating. Oh, did they not bring in the Mandelson, Epstein? No, no, that was the big deal in Parliament. Interesting.

[B]

Yeah, but that wasn't the reason people voted these guys out. I don't think the British public at large gives a shit about any of it. In fact, when I talked to Orlowski about it, he still thinks that Mandelson was still calling the shots at 10 downing from the get go and continue to do so after they fired him.

[A]

Wouldn't surprise me. That's Andrew Orlowski from the Register. Friend of the show.

[B]

Well, he. No, he's not at the Register. He said with the. He's with the London Telegraph now.

[A]

Really? Oh, he's moved up a notch.

[B]

Oh, he's been writing for the Telegraph for about.

[A]

That's respectable.

[B]

Six, seven years.

[A]

That's a respectable paper.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay, so friend of the show, F O F S, F O T s

[B]

friend of the show. He does listen to friend. He will have heard me say, this

[A]

friend of the show F O T S Fox.

[B]

So he says that that's what. And he claims that, you know, that this Mendelsohn guy is still in play. And I'm thinking, I don't think so.

[A]

But okay, well what do we know? He's boots on the ground, he's living there.

[B]

Yeah, he's been right most of the time, but I'm not buying that one. Let's go with the last clip.

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One of the key policies of the Reform Party which came out as the biggest winner in the elections in England, is to combat illegal immigration. The UK Home Office says over the past eight years, 200,000 migrants reached England illegally by crossing the Channel in small boats. You know what kills me? Because I lived in England, they lock up your pets for six months minimum.

[B]

Yeah. If you're trying to bring a dog to England, you might as well just forget it.

[A]

Yes, for six months, 18 months they lock up your dog because, oh, he

[B]

might have some rabies.

[A]

He might have rabies. But illegals. And they got no rabies. But I mean no Hanter, no nothing. Despite efforts to stop the boats, including a recent 800 million dollar deal with France, the UK says the number of people making the journey has continued to rise. James Wattas has sent us this report. The town of Middlekerke represents a step change when you cross the border on the northern coast from France into Belgium.

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It's an affluent area and the locals here are facing a problem that really

[A]

is new to them. Small boat migrant crossings.

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The West Flanders Deputy Police Chief Christian Deridder is keen to nip it in the bud.

[A]

We have to stop them before they get to the UK and we have to find a way to stop them on the water. If we could put on a naval barrier so they don't get into French water, everything will stop.

[B]

This, this. I don't have any more clips, but it goes on and on with all these guys that are taking the. Going across the. You know, I don't understand how you can go across the English Channel in a small boat. I took the Dunkirk ferry probably twice. Yeah, it's bumpy before, you know, in the olden days, in the, like the 70s. And then, you know, then they. They went to a hovercraft, which was cool. A great way to get across. And then, of course, there's the Channel, which is the way to go. But that's the most sickening ride I've ever had on a boat. Yeah, it turns, it bounces around. I don't know how a little boat can go across the English Channel.

[A]

Well, that really depends on weather conditions.

[B]

Well, yeah, I guess they look for the right day to do it, but it's not a short trip either.

[A]

You'll recall that the Brits in World War II think it was World War II. They. All these hundreds, maybe thousands of small boats cast off from Britain to go pick up the troops who were locked and surrounded by the Germans in France. And they picked them up and they sailed them all back. And these were tiny little dinghies and all kinds of rowboats. I don't know what kind of stuff they were doing.

[B]

I don't think they were that small.

[A]

They were small. They were small.

[B]

I know they went to do that.

[A]

Yeah. And I've flown over the English Channel many times. Smooth as glass.

[B]

Yeah. Well, if you fly over.

[A]

Well, but 5,000ft, you know, been the Cessna. I'm looking down like. That's pretty nice, if anything. What do you mean?

[B]

Ugh.

[A]

Please.

[B]

I have. That is a rough go, getting across that Channel.

[A]

It is not. It can. There are people who swim across the Channel.

[B]

Lunatics.

[A]

I do have. I do have two quick quotes here from Nigel Farage. Here we go. This is the most unpatriotic Prime Minister we've ever had in this country. Heading the most unpatriotic British government we've ever had in this country. And they're even worse than the Conservatives in the last five years. And they weren't very good either. And here he is with a quick prediction. I think if Labour get Obliterated in the Red Wall and in South Wales and in Scot. Then, yeah, he'll be gone by the end of May because the back bench

[B]

will move against End of May.

[A]

End of May. End of May is what he's saying.

[B]

Yeah. You had to throw in a little aside here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

We picked up on Nigel Farage as a character of importance early on. Early on. Decade ago.

[A]

2,950 years ago.

[B]

Yeah, it was a long time ago. And we got grief from various UK listeners.

[A]

Yeah. They told us, he's an idiot. He's no good.

[B]

And we were like, he's not gonna cut. You're wasting your time following this guy's career. You guys are off the mark.

[A]

Are you spiking the ball? Is that what you're doing here?

[B]

Yeah, I. Yeah, I'm spiking the ball without it. We told you so. But it's like. It's just like. It's. This is typical of this show.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

We're on it.

[A]

People hate us.

[B]

That's what I'm trying to say.

[A]

People hate us for years. For some reason, they still listen. And then later they say, hey, man, thanks for saving my life. But donate value for value. People remember these valuable lessons. So I picked up a clip, which is. Luckily, it's only a minute because the guy's kind of insufferable. George Galloway.

[B]

George Galloway is totally insufferable.

[A]

But it's worth it in this case because he has. He's onto something that's going on with Keir Starmer and Galloway. Now, he used to be a politician. He was. Was he Labor? I think it was Labor. He must have been Labor.

[B]

Socialist or Communist?

[A]

Commie.

[B]

He's a Communist, basically. Yeah. And I think he became a column. Is he a columnist for the Guardian or something?

[A]

Well, he was on Big Brother. It was all downhill from there. So, yeah, he's a. He's no longer a columnist, John. He's what everybody else is, a YouTuber. He has what he thinks is a podcast because he's basically a YouTuber. And here he is. No part of the British media is covering the fact that at the end of this month, three Ukrainian rent boys. Rent boys. Are on trial for allegedly arsoning the British prime minister, Keir Starmer. Is that British? Can you say arsoning as, like, a verb?

[B]

Arsoning, like lighting somebody on fire?

[A]

Yeah. Arsoning. Is that a verb? I thought arson was just. Well, maybe it is. Isn't it an adverb? No. Arsoning, I've never heard of.

[B]

Look it up. Just Type it into the browser, it'll tell you. Okay, I never heard the usage that usage before.

[A]

Let me see. Hey, book of knowledge is arsoning. Can you say someone was arsoning someone else?

[B]

Okay, it's a widely recognized term. Didn't work. That may be misspelling or a variation of arsonic poisoning.

[A]

Yeah, arsoning is a real verb form mainly used for change voices. You can say someone was arsoning a building. Most people just say committing arson though. Oh, all of a sudden this is.

[B]

Now see, that's different than this. This definition is widely recognized which is a misspelling or a variation of arsenic. It does have a specific definition. Blah, blah, blah, it goes on.

[A]

Okay, all right, back to the clip then because this is getting fun. Red boys, massage artists, male models, every one of them a Ukrainian is charged with arsoning two separate residences, two separate vehicles. Now if this were happening to me or any other citizen in the land, every person in Britain would be fully conversant and would be speculating wildly on exactly why these Ukrainian red boys allegedly arsoned the British Prime Minister. But not one news report has occurred into the extraordinary circumstances of a serving British Prime Minister being singled out for reasons we know not why, allegedly by three Ukrainian rent boys. Very pretty boys. The men are pleading not guilty.

[B]

Very well be innocent.

[A]

But they may very well have to be cross examined. But by the end of the trial we'll know one whole lot more about just what they had held.

[B]

Presentation.

[A]

Prime Minister, that's horrible.

[B]

But I can't talk like that if I wanted to now.

[A]

So the press has started to pick up on it. They don't call them rent boys, but there is a story the trial of three men accused of conspiring to commit arson against two properties. And this is, this is proper conspiring to commit arson, not arsoning them. A vehicle linked to the Prime Minister has started today at the Old Bailey. Now the three defendants, two Ukrainians and a Romanian appeared in the document stock this morning and they are roman Lavrinovic, a 22 year old Petro Potronok who's 35, and the 27 year old Stanislav Kar Puik. Now they have been charged with conspiring to commit arson. And Roman Lavrinovich is also facing two further charges of committing arson with intent to endanger life. Now all three defendants deny all of the charges set against them. Now listen to the prosecution here, opened by Duncan Atkinson. Casey went through the three arson attacks in turn, starting with a Toyota set ablaze in the early hours of 8 May and then a residential property on Ellington street in Kentish town on the 11th of May. And finally the third arson attack, another residential property also in Kentish town on 12 May. That they said it was immediately clear when the London fire brigade and the police attended the second of those arson attacks that it had been set on fire purposely and that in both of the properties where fires had been started, smoke and flames had entered the houses, endangering the lives of those within them. Now, the prosecution went through some of the data and information they had collected on the defendants to build filled the case, including telegram chats, locations and images as well. Now, there were discussions held between the defendants about these arson attacks and there was also a discovery on the telegram end to end encrypted platform. How does that work? Where the defendants were speaking with a Russian speaking telegram account called L Money. El Money, not to consider any ideological or political motivation behind these arson attacks, instead stating that they were motivated by money, not by any political or ideological reasons. There you go. El Money is the Russian pimp. And Starmerstiff, the rent Boys, so to speak, didn't pay him, so they decided to burn it down. I think Galloway's onto something here maybe. Yeah, and that would fall right in line with Mandelson tricks because he's all about the Rent boys.

[B]

Everything is fishy in England.

[A]

Everything is literally fake and gay at this point. It's amazing.

[B]

So I have an Africa clip.

[A]

Well, there goes the audience.

[B]

Well, it leads to an Ask Adam.

[A]

Oh boy.

[B]

Okay, now the Africa clip is short. Well, it's not that short, but it's just Nigeria. Something's up in Nigeria. And I think if you read between the lines on this Nigeria clip, this is just another attempt to get a stranglehold on the oil production of Nigeria.

[A]

Nigeria.

[B]

Big oil producing African nation.

[A]

Yeah. Go Nigeria Advance. Is that the one we're playing here?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it's the only one I got.

[A]

Nigeria and the United States have agreed to deepen cooperation on security and counterterrorism following high level talks in Washington. The renewed diplomatic push comes amid a surge in deadly attacks in Nigeria, particularly in Plateau and Benoist states where hundreds have been killed and communities displaced. Chris Awoko reports from Abuja. A statement from Nigeria's presidency said that the national security adviser Nuhuribadu met senior US officials, including the Vice President J.D. vance and the Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Both sides agreed to expand intelligence sharing, defense cooperation and regional security efforts. Discussions reportedly focused on counterterrorism and the deteriorating Security situation in West Africa and the Sahel, where jihadists have been attacking in several countries. Nigeria had already committed to tackling terrorism and violent extremism in the fight against Boko Haram and the Islamic State, West Africa Province. Well, isn't this just about the. The mines, the gold, the minerals and the oil? Is oil in West. In West Africa? Is that in Nigeria?

[B]

I believe there's oils in Nigeria. I think Nigeria is a major producer, if I'm not mistaken.

[A]

Well, there's also. They're killing Christians. You know, that's all happening in Nigeria.

[B]

They didn't have that in the report. But what's interesting to me, this was a Vance and Rubio, which they usually kept apart. Hmm. I don't know what that's all about.

[A]

It's a contest to see who can do better at Nigeria, and that will help determine who Trump is going to support for 2028.

[B]

I think Trump's going to stay out of it.

[A]

Ask Adam. Ask Adam.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. Ask Adam. I'm ready for you.

[B]

This is it. That. I'm going to ask you this the. Before we play the clip, because it's in. The Answer's in the clip.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because I was kind of surprised by this myself.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

How many languages are spoken on the continent of Africa?

[A]

Answer the question. Go. How Now? Now, first of all, Africa is big.

[B]

It's big. It's big.

[A]

There's a lot of tribes. So I'm gonna go. I'm going to bet all of my money in this round of.

[B]

You're all in.

[A]

I'm all in. I'm all in. On this round of Jeopardy. I'm going to say 537 languages on the continent of Africa are spoken.

[B]

Play the clip.

[A]

We did a series of children, child presenters, 14 of them from across Africa. And I'm blown away by how it's not just the audience who related to these kids, it's how those kids became fanatic conservationists because they were selected for their stage presence to be host of a TV show about wildlife. So I do think that local relevance and resonance with the people on the ground is very important. And in a continent like Africa, where we have over 2000 languages, we need people to be telling the stories in all those languages and bringing in our cultural knowledge. Wow. Well, luckily, my fellow contestants, we're all like, 2035, bunch of losers.

[B]

Over 2000, I go to find. That's not a tip of the day. That is our little factoid that people can now use to bet money. This is a money maker.

[A]

Wow. Over 2,000, man. And do you think that one tribe could understand the other one?

[B]

I'm sure there's always some. Probably one guy. There's a polyglot in every group. They can speak three or four of these languages. He's a superstar, you know, 2000, 2000, over 2000.

[A]

That's a lot.

[B]

Yeah, I like to see a list.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

They don't. You probably can't even call them. They don't even have names.

[A]

Hey, so since you brought up Rubio. We both brought up Rubio and Vance. And you think Trump's gonna stay out of it? Very possible. I got a couple clips about Tucker, actually one with Tucker because.

[B]

Oh, after I did all these Tucker things that you groused about.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm bringing new stuff to the table, you know, you just bring an old hat. Yes, I grouse about.

[B]

Did you say old hat?

[A]

Old hat? Yes, old hat.

[B]

Oh man.

[A]

Another Boomer adjacent term here on the no Agenda show. He had Massey on again. Massey. Massey to complain.

[B]

Boy, Massey's under attack.

[A]

Yes, and that's why he went on Tucker. And so I have a short clip first of it's the Massey disappointment list. But Trump's have changed dramatically. At least the disconnect between what he said he was going to do, what he's doing is shocking.

[B]

When I endorsed him, I thought we wouldn't have a new war. I thought we would get warrants for FISA that they had used to spy on him. I thought that Maha would be front and center at the, at the HHS

[A]

with Bobby Kennedy there. I thought that we would have sane foreign policy. I thought that where we put America first, that's my definition of sane.

[B]

I thought we would end our involvement in the war in Ukraine. I thought we would release all the Epstein files and indict some of those sobs and those are all the things I'm still fighting for.

[A]

Do you think, Mass, is he a little blinded by his hatred? Because, I mean, I see Maha doing something.

[B]

I think Maha's doing all it can do. It's up against the most powerful forces in the universe in the United States, the big pharma force that owns the media.

[A]

And are we still in the world?

[B]

What does he expect Maha to do? I mean, I'm super, super disappointed. And they haven't just stopped TV advertising that would make a difference.

[A]

Yeah, but I mean, have we not withdrawn from the Ukraine war? Have we not withdrawn from that? I think we have.

[B]

We haven't withdrawn from it. I mean, we're not really in the Ukraine war.

[A]

No. But he says, well, we should get out of the Ukraine war. We're not in it. We're selling stuff. I don't know. I think he's a little blinded by hatred.

[B]

I don't think he's a hater. I think he's just like, he's an ideologue, and he has his, you know, and he's. He's kind of a stick in the mud.

[A]

So New York magazine has a big thing going on about Tucker. New York magazine, everything's.

[B]

I'm telling you, Tucker is a. I said in the last show, and I had the clip of them, you know, trying to slam him. He is a right now, a lightning rod, and he's an opp.

[A]

Here is the New York Mag dude talking on France 24 of all places about this. Last month, Tucker Carlson, the influential far right commentator, said he regretted voting for Donald Trump. He made the comment on his podcast

[B]

during a conversation with his brother Buckley,

[A]

a former Trump speechwriter. You and me and millions of people like us are the reason this is happening right now. Yes. So I do think it's like a moment. I love that. Right there, you and me and a bunch of other people is the reason this is happening right now. Do you think that Tucker is the reason this is happening? Right. I'd give Marjorie Taylor Greene more props than Tucker and what's his face, Your boy, Talking boy. Come on.

[B]

Fuentes.

[A]

Fuentes. I give him some credit.

[B]

Well, he now came out and said he was a Democrat, which I'm not sure.

[A]

There's that. There's that guy, I think, you know, for Tucker to spike, to toot his own horn here, like, oh, yeah. Well, this is all because of us. Buckley, Buckley, Buckley. We did.

[B]

Buckley, Buckley, Buckley, Buckley. Can you get your dose, please?

[A]

Like us are the reason this is happening right now. Yes. Yes. So, yes, I do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our own consciences. You know, we'll be tormented by it for a long time. Oh, we. We did such a bad thing. And, and I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people in. It was not intentional. Yes. Because people vote based upon what Tucker Carlson says. It was not intentional. I was stupid. I'm so sorry. Carlson has come full circle. Decades before he became one of his strongest supporters, Carlson had called Trump, quote, the single most repulsive person on the planet. Now, that is interesting. So in the 90s, he hated Trump. Then he loved Trump. Now he hates Trump. I think this guy doesn't know anything. He just goes with whatever will get some clicks or views or whatever.

[B]

I think that that's been asserted. Yeah.

[A]

He made that comment in a 1999 post on the website Slate. That was just before he became a CNN commentator. Carlson later worked at msnbc, both outlets

[B]

that MAGA movement today considers as liberal fake news.

[A]

It wasn't until Carlson joined Fox that he found real notoriety. On primetime of America's most watched news network, Carlson often went on vicious rants against women, women, immigrants or people of color. For many liberals, charging racism has become an almost involuntary habit. A tick that is literally the definition of racism. These very same people are the quickest to cry racism. Sarah Jeong is an angry bigot. It's not about Brett Kavanaugh at this point. It's about punishing everyone who looks like Brett Kavanaugh. But let's get back to the race thing. Race, skin color, racial division, race and gender, skin color.

[B]

Carlson was hyperbolic, contrarianic. I'm sorry, he calls it a vicious rant. If you take all these, take it out of context, you could say more entertainer than commentator.

[A]

After all, Fox News once even won a court case by persuasively arguing that

[B]

no reasonable viewer takes Tucker Carlson seriously.

[A]

But today, reasonable legacy media take him very seriously since.

[B]

Huh, I didn't know that.

[A]

What?

[B]

That Fox won a court case and their legal argument that it was nobody takes Tucker seriously.

[A]

Yes. Oh, I remember that.

[B]

Absolutely. That's hilarious.

[A]

He's a commentator. Oh, yeah. So here's the guy from the. Here's the author of this piece, the New Yorker.

[B]

For more we can speak to the

[A]

New Yorker's Jason Zengerly. He's also the author of Hated by All the Right People, Tucker Carlson and

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the Unraveling of the Conservative Mind.

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Jason, thank you for speaking to Scoob.

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First question, I guess.

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Could you foresee. Why are you. Oh brothering. This could be fun. You have no idea.

[B]

No, it's just the guy. I mean, for one thing, if I'm not mistaken, New York magazine was a Murdoch property.

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New York, this is New Yorker. New Yorker.

[B]

Oh, that's New Yorker.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sorry, it's a New Yorker.

[B]

Oh, that's a big difference.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sorry, I said it wrong in the beginning. Yeah. Isn't New Yorker part of the New York Times?

[B]

No, no, not at all. New Yorker is a stick up its ass operation that's been around forever. They're very serious about themselves. No, it's not a New York Times thing at all. Property at all.

[A]

Well, then wait until you hear what he has to say of the conservative mind. Jason, thank you for speaking to Scoop.

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First question, I guess.

[A]

Could you foresee this happening, this falling out between Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson? Yeah, you could, because it's not the first time this has happened. I mean, Tucker's relationship with Trump has been a bit of a roller coaster over the last three decades, as you pointed out. The degree to which the falling out

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has occurred and the severity with which

[A]

Tucker is now denouncing Trump, I think that's a little surprising. But the fact that they followed out, I mean, as recently as four years ago, they had fallen out. So that itself isn't necessarily anything new. What do you think about this flurry of interest on both sides of the Atlantic about what Tucker Carlson thinks?

[B]

Both the BBC and the economists were

[A]

interviewing him before he had said he

[B]

regretted voting for Trump.

[A]

Should we be Preparing for a 2028 presidential run by Tucker Carlson?

[B]

It does seem like he's preparing for that.

[A]

He seems to be setting himself up for something. And I think that, you know, explains some of the forcefulness of his denunciations of Trump. I mean, look, this has been obviously prompted by the war in Iran. And Tucker, there has been one sort of consistent thing with him over the past two decades, and that is his opposition to American adventurism abroad. And that was one of the reasons he was supporting Trump. He thought Trump was an America Firster. So the fact that Trump has done this, you can see why Trump would be angry, like Tucker would be angry. And you can see Tucker, you know, viewing this as possibly an opening for him to, to run in 28 and to inherit that mantle of isolationism. Wow. New Yorker.

[B]

Are you bogus?

[A]

You speak so why would you just said New Yorker. Take themselves very seriously.

[B]

They do. They take themselves very seriously and they, they write long. The idea is the magazine is designed for the thoughtful individual who likes to read. There's. The essays in there aren't short and sweet and to the point. They're. They're more long and full length. Well, they're not actually. They're pretty well written. The writing in the magazine is quite good or the editing, one of the two. And so the stuff is. Is good. They, they've kind of lost their edge with the cartoons, though. They used to have some of the. More.

[A]

Oh, they didn't. They have the, the dog with. On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.

[B]

Yeah, that's the classic. Yeah. But they, they've always had these cartoon editors that Were top notch.

[A]

They fire those guys and start using.

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They lost. They lost one of the cartoon editors that was one of the better. Arrogant character, I guess got on everybody's nerves and they put in some woke people to pick the cartoons. And if you look at their cartoons, they're mostly. They're lame compared to what they used to be 10 years ago.

[A]

Well, so how about this then? Could they be pushing Tucker Carlson to fracture the MAGA base and giving people some kind of false hope or throwing stirring the pot?

[B]

It could be. I mean, they did somebody. I mean, it's obvious that Tucker is part of the. And along with Fuentes, who's his love hate relationship with him and Fuentes. He goes on about how great Fuentes is in one minute. Then he says, I'm sorry I ever interviewed the guy in another interview. I mean, Tucker's all over the map. The guy is like a drunk driver, the new woker.

[A]

Well, then this last clip may actually explain what's going on here. Megyn Kelly, also a former Fox host, she says she's a close friend of Tucker Carlson. She said she thinks the reason why the New York Times interviewed him was because they hate Trump more than they hate Tucker.

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So they were eager to have that

[A]

opportunity to get someone to bash Trump. I mean, what do you think about

[B]

these media taking the decision to interview Tucker?

[A]

Did they have to stoop to their

[B]

level or was it newsworthy?

[A]

Because in this day and age, we're seeing influencers like Tucker Carlson have perhaps

[B]

more reach than traditional media.

[A]

Yeah, well, I think people have wanted to interview Tucker for a while. I think what's interesting is that Tucker is doing the interviews. I think, I don't think Megyn Kelly should be questioning anybody's motives, frankly. But I think that Tucker. Look, there, there are a lot of people who have broken with Trump over the years, and there's always been this expectation that, oh, this is the moment that MAGA is going to fracture and that doesn't happen. I think that's the same thing that's going to happen this time.

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I don't think this is going to fraction fractured maga.

[A]

He doesn't think so. So maybe they're not doing that. I don't know. I don't know. But they're taking him seriously for some reason.

[B]

He's got a agent who, I mean, talent agent is getting him these gigs. I, I have no idea. This whole thing is, is just seems so phony.

[A]

All right, sorry I brought it up.

[B]

No, I'm glad you brought it up. I Have a clip, because I kind of like to watch it myself. It's like watching a car wreck.

[A]

I have a clip.

[B]

Very strange.

[A]

I have a clip of Alan Dershowitz.

[B]

There's another guy who, you know, before you play. Let me play a couple of character assassination clips.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I've got. Alan Dershowitz is on the list. I know you're gonna groan about this, but John Kiriakou.

[A]

Hey, you've had plenty to groan about my clips today, so you're good.

[B]

You have free reign. This guy, he has. I mean, I'm gonna start collecting his character assassination clips because. And he's got Dershowitz in there coming up. That's coming up. I've got two today. I got one on Newsom.

[A]

Explain who Kiriakou is. Just explain who Kiriak is.

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Kiriakou. Okay. Kariaku is a whistleblower at the CIA. He was both a analyst and then became a field agent. So he has a broad spectrum of experience with the agency. And he refused to get involved with the torture program. And he was the only one who didn't want to take the training or do anything else. And he thought it was illegal. And he blew the whistle. He says in hindsight, what he should have done was had a lawyer with him from the get go because he was kind of naive about blowing the whistle.

[A]

And just. Just to explain, this is the Abu Ghraib prison.

[B]

Yeah. And the other. Yeah. And so he blew the whistle and got thrown in jail for two years under some charged espionage act or some bullshit, and he's very pissed off about that. But now he's got a talent agent and he's all over the place. And he's on a lot of. Lot of podcasts, a couple favorites he likes to do. And he talks.

[A]

Does he have a book? How does he make money?

[B]

Oh, he's got, I think, three books.

[A]

Oh, okay, good.

[B]

He's got a bunch of books.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But he likes to talk and he likes the character assassination. Here he is on Newsom.

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Gavin Newsom was a member of the San Francisco city council. Then he was the chairman of the city council. Then he was the mayor of San Francisco, then the lieutenant governor of California,

[B]

then the governor of California.

[A]

Okay, so he's. This is a very well thought out plan to move higher, higher, higher and become president. When he was running for governor of California, he asked his lifelong best friend, who was also his campaign manager, to represent him at a political function.

[B]

The man did.

[A]

It wasn't because Newsom was busy. It was because. Because Newsom was having an affair with his best friend's wife, and they got caught. What kind of person is that?

[B]

If.

[A]

If your best friend and your own wife can't trust you. Yeah, why am I supposed to trust you? Are you going to screw me behind your back as an American taxpayer? So I don't.

[B]

I don't like or trust Gavin Newsome at all.

[A]

Where was this interview from?

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You know, I think he's got this one guy he loves to interview with this. I can't remember his name. He's a podcast. Very slick video podcast. Very YouTuber.

[A]

YouTuber.

[B]

It's well produced. It's got a lot of bokeh in the shots. The sound is dynamite.

[A]

Bokeh?

[B]

Yeah. Bouquet is where you have. The person in front is in high focus, and the background is blurry.

[A]

Oh, beautiful. Beautiful. Yes, beautiful. That's hard to do.

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Yeah. What you need is. You need certain kinds of lenses to make that look good.

[A]

Yep, yep, you do.

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And it's just too sl. I mean, this. The podcast is super slick. Anyway, so here he is talking about CIA directors that he hates, and he's got both Gina Haskell and Mike Pompeo. And here's what he says.

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He made a mistake twice in his first term appointing.

[B]

He's talking about Trump.

[A]

Very bad people as CIA director. Very bad. Like Mike Pompeo. Oh, my God. The only person less popular than Mike Pompeo at the CIA was Mrs. Mike Pompeo. Let me tell you. I got that from one of his bodyguards. And then, Gina, why?

[B]

Why?

[A]

You go get my. My dry cleaning. You go walk my dog. They're like, lady, we don't work for you. We're protecting your husband. We're not gonna go get your dry

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cleaning and walk your dog.

[A]

The other one was Bloody Gina Haspel. We called her Bloody Gina for a good reason. And, like, that's the person that you appoint to the CIA directorship.

[B]

Why do you call her Bloody Gina?

[A]

Because she flew out to the secret site to sit in on one of the torture sessions just because she could. Just to sit there and enjoy it and take. Take it all in. What kind of sick person does something like that? He's probably right. I believe that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, we knew that she was called Bloody Gina. We'd heard about that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so you think Dershowitz. He's. He's. He's gonna assassinate Dershowitz.

[B]

Dershowitz is coming up. Yeah, he doesn't like Dershowitz. He doesn't like anybody. He thinks that Rudy Giuliani should be in jail.

[A]

He's dying. He's dying.

[B]

He's not gonna make it to jail. I agree.

[A]

So Dershowitz, he's kind of on board with our theory about Epstein, which you might want to reiterate.

[B]

Yeah, he was a pimp, literally running a whorehouse in New York, a big one for the elites at the high

[A]

prices and the island. And he never really came into play.

[B]

And he would procure. And he would procure underage. But it also. I think he'd probably. I think he also procured gays.

[A]

Yeah, there's no talk of that anywhere.

[B]

No, it is starting to show up.

[A]

Oh, okay. So Dershowitz takes. And this has always been my thing. What are these victims? I'd like to, you know, the first lady said, hey, hey, why don't y' all go on the record? Victims, Tell us your story. Victims on the congressional record. So, you know, you can talk freely there. Your NDAs don't count. It's okay. I don't think any hearings have been scheduled. I don't think anyone jumped up and down to get that going. And Dershowitz has his thoughts about the victims. He was not a pedophile. I have no information about any pedophiles in the Epstein circle. A pedophile, medically, as somebody who is

[B]

interested in prepubescent people. Prepubescent people.

[A]

10, 11, 12. That was not his modus operandi. He was interested in 16 year olds, 17, 18 year olds. That's a terrible thing. By the way, it's legal in France. It's legal in any parts of Europe. So it's hard to say you're a pedophile in America, but not in France. Pedophile is not a legal term. It's a medical, psychological term. So I don't think there's a real case for. For people being called pedophiles, although everybody calls them a pedophile. I also don't believe there was any trafficking going on. What happened is he made it known to young people in Palm beach, if you come and give me a massage, you get $250. And many of them came back over

[B]

and over and over again, collected the

[A]

$250, and then got $500 if they recruited other people to come and give him more massages. And then there was this third category, a very large category of women who never met Jeffrey Epstein, never laid eyes on him. And their corrupt lawyers in Palm beach would go to them and say, how old are you? Oh, you were about that age when. Yeah, why don't you just say you gave Epstein a massage? We'll collect $50,000 for you.

[B]

And they did. Right.

[A]

So I would love to see a thorough investigation of every single claimed survivor and, and find out how many there really were. There were plenty. Yeah. You know, no one's ever gonna buy into our theory. They are so convinced that there's people. People eating babies on the island.

[B]

Eating babies.

[A]

Eating babies. And Trump played into that himself in many ways. You know, and Q, there's a lot of Q stuff. And then children being shipped in Wayfair boxes. We've seen it all. But in this case, Dershowitz is on the right track. It sounds right to me.

[B]

Yeah, but it's not going to help. Now we got also another thing that broke this week. UFO files. I got two clips.

[A]

Yeah, I got a couple things on that too. Let's see. UFO files. All right, here we go. Back here at home to the Pentagon releasing UFO files. The Trump administration releasing never before seen images of unexplained objects in the sky

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collected by the US government dating all

[A]

the way back to the 1940s. Here's Tom Costello with those images. Tonight, more mysterious Images just revealed. 160 government files detailing 400 alleged UFO encounters, including this infrared military video from 2013 of what appears to be an 8 pointed star streaking across the sky. Mysterious white and black aerial blips that defy the laws of physics.

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More grainy still images of the unexplained.

[A]

And this image taken from, from the moon by the Apollo 17 astronauts of what appears to be lights hovering overhead. The astronauts later suggested it could have been ice crystals.

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Today, President Trump posted. With these new documents and videos, the

[A]

people can decide for themselves. But there are no reports of aliens

[B]

or spacecraft in government custody.

[A]

Yeah, I saw the website. It's lame. There's nothing new there. It's lame. It's like. Did you see it? You look at the website? You know, black and white, black and white are like, like the X files. Oh.

[B]

The best thing I've seen recently in terms of grainy black and white stuff is the WikiLeaks moon outtakes. Have you seen this?

[A]

Moon outtakes. What is this? Outtakes.

[B]

WikiLeaks have found a file of the moon landing that you're always saying is a fake. Yeah, Outtakes showing it was being filmed as it was being filmed in the Arizona or the, I'm sorry, the Nevada desert.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And they have the guy, the same guys that got Neil Armstrong and they got the whole, the whole thing. It's like very right up your alley. I'm surprised you didn't see it.

[A]

I may have seen it, but there's so much.

[B]

No, no, you would have remembered it, believe me.

[A]

It's long. Okay. I have to look for that. But it's like, you know, everything on the Internet is AI. Who knows? I don't know. I don't know anymore. We absolutely can't.

[B]

Yeah, well, I think that's a good point. Here's UFO files.

[A]

Too many leading astrophysicists remain skeptical. Just because you see something and you don't know what it is, you can't. Oh, Is this Neil DeGrasse Tyson?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, man, that guy. Oh, you know, I, Eye of the Stargazer, see something and you don't know what it is, you can't then say it must be aliens visiting from outer space. The documents date back to the 1940s, including an FBI report from an Air Force colonel reporting a flying disc.

[B]

More recent reports from fighter pilots.

[A]

This diagram from people who claim they witnessed a cigar shaped object and a 2023 video of three concentric circles flying in unison.

[C]

I have not seen anything to suggest that we've been visited by any intelligent life forms out there.

[A]

But the universe is massive. At least 2 trillion galaxies and trillions more planets. Given the vastness of the universe, it's really hard to imagine that life, and even intelligent life hasn't formed somewhere. It's hard to imagine that anybody is visiting us or continually visiting us. And Tom, tonight there is a pattern, though.

[C]

A lot of these images coming from

[A]

military pilots that are near or around military facilities or ships. Yeah. And that raises concern that some of

[B]

these unexplained aerial phenomenon could include technology

[A]

that America's adversaries here on Earth possess. But we don't. Tom, this is a continuous thing that I hear in all of these reports. It might be UFOs, but it could also be some great technology, military technology from other people, other countries that we don't possess. And you know, I'm thinking we need to have about. Have, I don't know, half a trillion dollars extra for the budget next year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So probably get everybody all kind of every report has that. Every single one. It could also, I mean, it could be UFOs, but it could also be some Chinese technology. And if you really.

[B]

Yeah, sure. The Chinese have to still copy our jets. They have to find a jet and then make a phony baloney copy of it.

[A]

Wait a minute.

[B]

Because they can't dream up anything by themselves. I mean, they're not that they can't, but they haven't been able. They haven't done it.

[A]

It could be Russian technology. Are you saying.

[B]

Yeah, the Russians do the same thing.

[A]

Are you saying the UFOs are real?

[B]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying what you're saying. What I'm doing is commenting on your comment about this being a. Some. Something of a scam just to get more money for the budget. I'm in a roundabout way, agreeing with you.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

By saying the Russians and the Chinese, they're not. They don't have. They're not. They don't have flying saucers.

[A]

So what we always do with our Department of War, or formerly known as the Artist, formerly known as Department of Defense, we bring in our Hollywood guys. Remember the timeline. June 12th is not that far away. People coming to IMAX. I've always been fascinated with things that cannot be explained. What is it? You wouldn't believe me if I told you, so I'm gonna show you. And I've made a lot of movies about things that cannot be explained, from sharks to saucers. Do you think there could be others? When I was just a little kid, I remember developing a real curiosity about the sky at night and what's happening up there. People have a right to know the truth and also not the possibility, but the guarantee that there is life off this planet. People keep wandering, encountering the unknown. People's questions about what is not only going on in our skies, but what is going on in our worlds, in our realities has reached a critical mass. They're coming.

[B]

They're coming.

[A]

Of people's complete fascination with are we alone or are we not alone? They are starved for the truth. And if someone knows we're not alone, why haven't we been told? Full disclosure to the whole world. All at once. Full disclosure all at once. This is. This is the entire script in movie form. Yeah, we got some guys. Full disclosure, disclosure day. Coming from Universal Pictures.

[B]

Yeah, the old movie gambit obvious.

[A]

Now we've got two guys out there. We've got Senator Burleson, who I think is from Missouri. We've got Senator Burchett from Tennessee, who basically.

[B]

Burchett, or I think it's Burchett. I think he was on some show that he basically lives in his car.

[A]

What? I didn't hear this. He lives in his car.

[B]

Yeah. He's talking about how he can't get a place in D.C. so he's got a bed in his office that he sleeps in. And then he goes to the gym to shower.

[A]

Well, he was on Joe Rogan, and Joe is a big ufo.

[B]

I hope Joe gave him a place to shower, maybe gave him a room to stay.

[A]

You have no knowledge of what's supposed to be released because today's Wednesday.

[B]

I'm gonna know tomorrow at 3.

[A]

Tomorrow at 3pm Is that when the world knows?

[B]

No, I think they're gonna ask me. Just give me a little bit of it.

[A]

But I got a feeling they're not gonna tell me much.

[B]

I got a feeling they're not gonna tell me. Tell America.

[A]

Not much. When is it supposed to be disclosed? This week. Whatever they're going to disclose, I don't know. I don't know. But if they're going to disclose it to us, then it'll be out right as soon as they hang up the

[B]

phone with some guys.

[A]

So, okay, we know what the disclosure was. It was a dumb website. There wasn't anything exciting or new that I could tell. But Burchett always got some stories. He's got some good stories. No, but it's interesting.

[B]

I had that Deep Throat moment, you

[A]

know, not the porn version, the Richard Nixon moment, you know, where I was walking in the tunnel one day and a person came up to me and it's always a friend. It's always a friend that does this

[B]

and said, it was just the strangest conversation.

[A]

And I'll never forget it because he said, burchett, he said, you know, you're really pushing on this UFO thing. And I go, yeah, yeah, I am. He said, do you really think we need to do this? And I just kept listening.

[B]

When I was a young man, I'd have run my mouth and said, oh, shut up. But I listened to what he said.

[A]

He said. He said, I mean, you know, this could upset the religious community and all this other. I mean, some of this stuff just left unknown, you know. And I said, no, it's not. The government has no right to decide what I can and cannot understand or handle or see. And it to me. And every time, Joe, let me tell

[B]

you what they're going to do.

[A]

I had a two page bill for

[B]

disclosure and Chuck Schumer had One that

[A]

was 60 pages, I believe, and he modeled his after the Kennedy assassination Committee release, which we're over 60 years into that and we still don't.

[B]

They haven't released everything on President Kennedy getting shot.

[A]

And that's what they wanted to model

[B]

this dadgum thing after.

[A]

Mine was too bad pages long. Of course, mine didn't get anywhere. So what you heard in there is how this could upset the religious community. Well, it did. This was a crazy story. Two stories broke today and they are collided in a way nobody expected. A pastor in Alabama issued a public apology to a sitting member of Congress over the viral UFO clip. And. And on the same news cycle, former President Barack Obama went on national television and told the country flat out that the disclosure everyone is waiting for isn't coming. Hey you followers, I'm Christina Gomez and welcome to this episode of UFO News Updates. Larry Ragland, a senior pastor of the Solid Rock Church in Birmingham, Alabama, claimed in a video that a very well known congressman from Missouri called into a private meeting with pastors and warned them that the US Government is preparing to tell the public that aliens seeded humanity and that there is no God and that Jesus and the Bible were both inventions of these beings. The clip identified the congressman as Eric Burleson, who sits on the White House Oversight Subcommittee investigating uap. And the clip went everywhere. This was fantastic. So there's all these YouTube pastors and they're all about end times and this is it. Look at what's happening. It's Iran. Oh, it's all, it's, it's all going down now, people. Jesus is on his way. Here's the clip that this guy put out.

[B]

Handful of pastors is invited to come

[A]

to a private meeting with a group

[B]

of men who are connected with the

[A]

intelligence world that are believers but are still have very high security clearance.

[B]

These are legit true men of God

[A]

that are still connected to Washington and even this current administration and all branches of military.

[B]

And they literally told us.

[A]

We had a sitting congressman, a very well known congressman from Missouri. He was, he called into that meeting as well. That was just for pastors. And this is what he said on speakerphone.

[B]

This sitting powerful member of Congress said,

[A]

are the pastors listening to me? I'm getting chills right now because this happened.

[B]

Wait, hold on. Yeah, Nobody recorded this. It was on speaker.

[A]

No, no, no, of course not. This was an intelligence briefing. You can't record that. That. No, no, no, no.

[B]

Put on speaker.

[A]

You can, but no one did. No one did. These pastors were on the honor system. Pastor's in the room listening to me. And I said, yes sir, we are here.

[B]

And he said, listen to me. Go and tell the church they are

[A]

not ready for what is coming. The narrative that is coming. What they are going to say is going to be like nothing you can even imagine. They are preparing to tell us that they are from another dimension, that they are our creator. And that these beings, these aliens, whatever you want to call them, they were the ones that seated us here.

[B]

There is no such thing as God. Jesus was invented by them.

[A]

The Bible was invented by them.

[B]

And begin to just say, listen, prepare

[A]

the people for what is coming because they're not ready. So, so Joe brings this up. But here's. Here's what was interesting. There were two briefings and I heard about one of them because it took place during nr.

[B]

By the way. Take clip of the day for that last clip.

[A]

Oh, it's so soon already. Okay, sorry, I'll take it.

[B]

And it gets followed by my getting to say, oh, brother.

[A]

No, no, you can. You. But this is good. This is really because. Because Burleson did talk to the pastors. This guy, this Larry Ragland, he had to issue an apology. He said, oh, you know, he didn't really say that all this was coming, that, you know, that the aliens had created the Bible and made up the whole story about God. That was my editorial. I should have made it clear that that wasn't what the senator said. But it was Burleson who spoke to those pastors in Missouri and Burchett. He spoke to pastors during nrb. I was at, and I heard someone, Someone mention something. Oh, there's some off site and Airbnb and you know, there's some senator calling in. And it did happen, but that was Burchett. Burleson was the other one. And here's where Joe brings it up to Burchett and Burchett's like, eh. Because already people are only talking about Burleson. They're not talking about Burchett, but he did it too. Yeah, the pastor's thing that I sent you, Jamie. Yeah. That's bonkers.

[B]

What do you think about all this?

[A]

I don't buy that. I don't. So this is a guy. It says his name is Alan Dido. And it's weird. See, this was a whole different YouTube pastor, not the original guy. Capital D, lowercase I. Capital D, lowercase I, O. Did Didio. After sitting in a private meeting with pastors and those connected to these investigations, the message was clear. UFO and UAP disclosure is coming. Pastors must prepare their people now. Silence is not an option. Well, what does that mean? Like, what are they preparing the people for?

[B]

What?

[A]

Why would they bring in pastors? I've never heard of, you know, bs. I do. I think it is. I think if he'd have brought anybody

[B]

in, he'd brought Franklin Graham in.

[A]

Is this gentleman A pastor himself. Click on his. Yeah, well, I mean, he also has a show, which. Of course he does.

[B]

Of course he does.

[A]

Oh, so his show is about Disclosure, Revival Nation Church or something?

[B]

No, no, I don't know that this is just what these clips are coming around.

[A]

Can you click on his bio, please? Like what? It clicks.

[B]

What?

[A]

It says, equipping end time believers for the next great awakening. Oh, boy. I would warn people that think we're in the end times. The Bible is pretty clear about that. It says that they don't even. The angels in heaven don't even know when the end times are. The ends coming.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll spare you the. The long clip where it turns out that indeed both these guys spoke to a group of pastors, one in Missouri, one in Tennessee, and he's really. Oh, that's bull crap. He did it. It was definitely Burchett. And I think that these guys are. I know, but Burleson, he may. He may be a little bit deeper into the. We've got to get everybody on board because this is fun and we can get more money for the military. Burchett is probably just a true believer who sleeps in his office in his car. I don't know, but he definitely did that. And now you bring in these idiots. Whoever invited the pastors, I'm sorry to say it, but the YouTube pastors, the end time pastors, they're out of control. They just talk all kinds of crap and then they scare people. And we did a survey at our church. Like, what would you like to hear Pastor Jimmy preach about? Number three on the list, end times. Because everybody's watching this. It's nuts. But of course, if you follow the no agenda logic of military, there's always this thing lurking in the shadows, which we've been talking about for almost two decades. Project Bluebeam is going to be used not as a. Not as a replacement for real actions. It's going to be used the way that Hollywood uses cgi. And it's possible there's going to be involvement from Hollywood in this. In this as well, where they're going to be using holograms in order to do what Hollywood calls sweetening of. Of these false flags. And so in other words, they can actually have, when we have, for instance, fake alien invasion, where we will have the cabal send all of these Tic Tacs against a city, against one of our major cities to actually destroy it and to make it basically to wreak havoc upon one of our cities that's always lurking in the shadows. Project Bluebeam. It fits. It fits. If you want to talk conspiracy, second half a show, Project Blue Beam fits like a T to this. And I don't know if Trump knows about this, this, but he's like, oh, if you guys want to disclose something, all right, we'll put it out. Whatever, whatever. We got some Tic Tac videos. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, well, that went nowhere.

[A]

Yeah, it did. When he. I took it right to Project Blue Beam. What are you talking about? Perfect.

[B]

I rounded it out.

[A]

I rounded it out. I could do the thing about the guy who wrote the book and got killed, but I don't think. I didn't want to bore you with that.

[B]

Yeah, the guy. I remember the guy who wrote the book.

[A]

Did you know the guy who wrote the book?

[B]

No, I never met the guy who

[A]

wrote the book, Sergeant.

[B]

But, you know, the funny thing is, you know, they talk about, well, the CIA didn't contribute to this. The CIA has a database that you can look stuff up in. I talked about this, like, five years ago. You can look up UFOs in the CIA database, and there's a bunch of screwball stories in there. There's about the guy in the farm that he found the alien spacecraft and he tried to move, and he was frozen because of some mental trick they were playing on him. It's all in the CIA files. A whole bunch of these crazy stories and that these never come to the fore. It's very weird.

[A]

Only the good ones that they're really working on, like Project Bluebeam, maybe.

[B]

Would you put it past and finish up on a lighter note? Okay, before we go into the break. So there was a couple of these actresses now in Hollywood are becoming onlyfans women couple.

[A]

A whole bunch of them, like. Like a whole bunch of, like, big names, and they're.

[B]

And they're making money.

[A]

Are they. Are they cute?

[B]

Well, there's a bunch of big names, and the latest one is Jamie. I think her name is Jamie Presley. She used to be. Being an actress, can't get work, but I thought I would go to the wealth because just as an example, how much money can these girls make? I was watching the. Whatever podcast was a clip from it, and they had this woman, Caitlin Segura, talking about her income, her total income. She's made. She's one of the more successful onlyfans girls. And I'll mention that Brunetti's wife, who is a. A copyright lawyer, an intellectual property lawyer, represents one of the women and who makes $10 million a year.

[A]

No Wonder he quit movies. What a hassle.

[B]

Well, she's not getting the 10 million.

[A]

Let the wife. Well, no, but let the wife. You get at least 10%. Let the wife do the work. Good idea.

[B]

So this is Caitlin Segura talking about her income. Income.

[A]

Kate, you've also, I think on some other podcasts mentioned in terms of your income from fans. It's quite substantial. Is there an updated number?

[B]

I haven't done the math to update

[A]

it in a long time.

[B]

Remember, do you remember gross is eight digit. So in the 70 plus million range. Gross, 70 like 74, 75.

[A]

You know, like a one year period. What's the most that you've made?

[B]

I know it was really high during

[A]

the coveted years especially it was running at over like 2 million a month.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Shy of 30 in 22.

[B]

Wow. How much does Uncle Sam get?

[A]

It's always too much most in one day.

[B]

I don't think I've ever calculated that before.

[A]

I think it's six figures.

[B]

I think so. I don't know if there's a higher

[A]

one, but there's a quarter million dollar day. You also. I'm trying to remember. It wasn't like Belle Delphine should did the this bath water thing. Didn't you do something similar? Yeah, my hot tip water when the Hotza meadow was really strong on Twitch. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And the beer.

[B]

Oh yeah, you had a beer.

[A]

What's. There's a company that contacted me from Poland. I think it's Yoni is the company and they make beer that's matches the profile of women's yeast. They'll like you send in a sample

[B]

and they'll replicate the agriculture amount.

[A]

They made beer out of your yeast? They're like, we're gonna grow it. Oh man. $75 million.

[B]

Yeah. Total 2 million a month.

[A]

We can make beer out of our armpits.

[B]

Two million a month. So. So the question remains how? And she makes a court. I think the one day best was a two quarter of a million. What? How?

[A]

Yeah, well, by taking your clothes off.

[B]

But who's.

[A]

What?

[B]

What? It's.

[A]

It's just.

[B]

It's beyond me. I cannot grasp this. These numbers I cannot grasp. I mean, what have guys given here, here's 10 grand, babe.

[A]

Do you.

[B]

And even at 10 grand a pop is how do you get to 250,000?

[A]

Okay. Have you forgotten Bobby Eden, the official.

[B]

Well, yeah, Bobby Eaton was a fan of the show. Whatever happened to her, by the way?

[A]

Well, she got out of the business because you know, at a certain point

[B]

got out of the business too early.

[A]

I think she got out before OnlyFans was around. This is back.

[B]

She would have done well on OnlyFans.

[A]

Just back in 2009, 2010. I think we even interviewed her on the show once. She was official. Yes, yes, we did an interview. I know we did. I played a couple clips from it. I guarantee you she was the official webcam. This is when I was in Los Angeles, the official webcam girl. She was a webcam girl and she said that men, men are so lonely. And now we're talking 15 years ago, they're so lonely that they would give her the password to their bank account and say, just take whatever you want whenever you want to. Don't you remember that?

[B]

I vaguely remember that, but that's.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[B]

It's beyond my grasp. I cannot.

[A]

I know.

[B]

See, getting quarter of a million dollars, considering what we get in a year, Getting a quarter of a million dollars in one day to strip.

[A]

Hey, John, do you know how many people get pig butchered still to this very day to the tune of billions of dollars?

[B]

Yeah, but that's scale. That's at scale.

[A]

She's not at scale. I think she's at scale.

[B]

Well, she's obviously at scale. She's got a total, so a running total of 72 million.

[A]

But you know what? I can go to sleep at night knowing that I'm an honest podcaster and I keep.

[B]

You know what? She can go to sleep at night too, believe me.

[A]

With that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning. To you, the man who put the Cs in the tick tock. Say hello to your friend on the other end. He would be the only, the one and only Mr. John C.

[B]

Landed morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. Also in the morning, all the ships to see. Boots on your ground, feet in the air, subs in the morning. The names are nice out there in the morning.

[A]

To the trolls in the troll room. Let me count you. Don't move for a second. Here we go. 1838. 1838. Trolls listening live to this podcast. And we are a podcast because you can get us on a podcast app. Sad news, we were approved for Spotify. Oh, we got approved. And this morning I looked at my email. They have taken down about 15 of our episodes for copyright violation of unspecified, unspecified copy. And the show mixes well, but it's not true because we are under fair use.

[B]

They don't say that way.

[A]

No, I know, but parody is permitted. And everything we use is for news and education and Parody is permitted.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

So I'm not gonna fight it, by the way. I have no idea.

[B]

You can't fight it.

[A]

Yeah, you can click a link, then you get nowhere. You can click a link and you can fill out a form that goes into devnull and it goes nowhere. Exactly. So all the more reason for podcasters to not build up your audience on places like Spotify and sadly, also Apple, because that's why we started podcastindex.org, because Apple was deplatforming people during COVID and we built an entire ecosystem of independent apps and services, almost 90 at this point, including the modern podcast apps. You want to get one of those? Because there will be no deplatforming. That's just not going to happen. So go to podcastapps.com and with these apps, when we go live, you get a bat signal. You can listen to the live show right there in your podcast app, and within 90 seconds of us publishing the show, you get an alert that it's up and running. You can listen to it right away. No waiting 15 minutes to 2 hours for the legacy apps. We also don't have any commercials. We just bring you pure, beautiful value straight through. And all we ask is that from time to time, you send us some value in return. That's all that it is. So it's so interesting to see people in the troll room who say, well, you know, the way you guys talk, you wonder why donations are tough.

[B]

I got the one the other day, a nasty note saying, it's because you got. Your donations are down because you're a Trump apologist.

[A]

Now, let's just think about.

[B]

I'm thinking what?

[A]

Let's just think about it logically for a second. If we really based our work and our honesty and our honor, our sacred honor and our fortune, if we base that on what we said, then we would be super dishonest. You have to conclude that if we hurt our own income by telling you what we actually think, don't you think that that's probably something you might want to pay attention to, unlike everybody else? Am I seeing this wrong, John?

[B]

I don't know what you said.

[A]

That if we. If we. People are saying you're Trump. No, we're giving your honest opinion and it actually hurts our income.

[B]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[A]

Then, yeah. Shouldn't you think, well, why are these guys doing it? Are they insane? We're not rich. I can tell you that. We're not. I'm sitting here at these guys insane. 10:20 in the evening on a. On a Sunday night in a hotel room in Amsterdam. I'm sitting here yelling. My wife is over there looking. What is he talking about? You know? And I'm doing the show. Is that because I'm loaded or is that because I, you know, think logically.

[B]

If you were. Yeah.

[A]

If you were loaded, I'd be like, sayonora Dvorak. I'm gonna hang out.

[B]

You'd be off doing your own thing. You'd be flying around.

[A]

I'd be with Burnett on the range.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

Yeah. Driving the fire engine. Kidding me? Absolutely. So, no, instead, we try to bring you value. All we ask is that you send some value back from time to time. It's very simple. Value for value is time, talent or treasure. You can do that in many ways. We love the treasure. It does keep the fires burning, that's for sure. But we like time and talent. Give us a boots on the ground like we got. Help us with some clips. Like the clip collector, Steve Jones. Big value for him. I think he's probably helped you out as well with some clips recently. This really. Particularly the Sunday morning stuff. I mean, he's sitting there, he's doing. That's valuable. We really appreciate that people do all kinds of things, including bringing us artwork. Creative artwork. Creative prompting, I should say, which is what most of it is. And we use that for album art, which always is meant to grab someone's attention. It works quite well on social media. That's pretty much all I do on X is post the show or repost the show. And then Darren will post the show and I'll repost Darren's post of the show. And we were quite pleased with Francisco Scaramanga, who I think himself was pleased that he was chosen. And it was not a naked lady. This was something new, a complete new model. We don't know what he's using.

[B]

This. Yeah, it's totally new.

[A]

This black and white piece of art had everything Holland in it. It had the Dutch. The wooden shoe. It had mice. I'm not sure what the kind of like Mickey Mouse.

[B]

The hantavirus.

[A]

Hantavirus, that's right. The hantavirus was running up and down the leg. You had the hotel with no agenda and the logos on fire. It had a lot of stuff in here.

[B]

Yeah. And there's an error which I didn't mention, but there is an anomaly. There's a hallucination. The. The. The first mouse at the bottom of the foot. Not on the. On the shoes. Oh, there is a Mysterious six fingered hand that is. Wait, there on the shoe.

[A]

Oh, yes. Out of nowhere.

[B]

Well, out of nowhere. That's not attached to a mouse.

[A]

Well, the mouse could be trying to climb up and he's just happens to have six fingers.

[B]

And there's also a mix of four and three fingers on the various mice.

[A]

Well, we gave it to him. We loved it. Let's take a look and see if there was anything else that we can see.

[B]

No, it's a great piece. It had the flame. Your sign that's on fire.

[A]

Yep, had that.

[B]

Yeah. And the wooden shoe, the whole thing.

[A]

He had a color version as well, if I. Yeah, he did. He had a color version but it was cool because the rat was looking right into the camera. He had an alien licking an ice cream cone. That had its own merits, but it was color. And it was the black and white that grabbed us. This model, this black and white.

[B]

He had two black and white pieces that were both grabbers.

[A]

Yeah, well, that was Popeye.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was too much.

[B]

Even though it wasn't copyright. I mean it's a public domain character. But we weren't going to use.

[A]

But anyway, thank you very much, Francisco Scaramanga. We appreciate you doing that for us. And now for the treasure portion, which is where we thank all of our producers who supported us. $50 and above. And we have special spots in our heart and on the credits for people who support us with $1,000 or more. They become an instant night. And in this case we have a special. We had only 50, I'm not sure how many are left. The red knight, order of the heart. Then we have anyone who comes in with $200. Between 200 and $300. Now with that we will definitely read your note and we give you the title a credit of associate executive producer. That's in there. Yeah, sorry.

[B]

I want to mention something. Some got a request since I'm in recuperation from my episode. I. Somebody said are you picking up the mail at the post office box for that which has the checks that go to the post office box?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he said you should tell people that the mail is being routinely picked up as usual because you're, you know, they. I don't know, I just. I just should mention it and I just did.

[A]

Well, was this. What was the problem?

[B]

Well, he felt that because I was staying with my daughter and son in law at their house that we weren't picking up the mail. Which is not that far from the mail. It's in the same vicinity. So it's not like a big deal.

[A]

Okay, sounds good. You're picking it up? As far as I know.

[B]

Yeah. No, we got the thousand dollars that came in today. Came from the mail.

[A]

Yes. And that is exactly where we with Sir Kevin Dills from Huntersville, North Carolina. And he wants right off the bat, he tells us that he wants some original Manning Bingo. Boom shakalaka, little girl. Boom shakalaka. Which I think that's. I think that's Nick's kid. And then the remix. I hope I got them all here for you. And he comes in with $2378.02. What is this number about? What is the numerology of this fabulous donation? He says in the morning, this is my annual birthday donation. I'll be turning 40 on May 12th. Please add me to the birthday list. You are on it. For such a milestone birthday today, I thought I'd get myself a nice gift. Oh, I see. This donation brings me to the level of Archduke. My accounting is attached. In addition to the title upgrade, I'd like to expand my protectorate to include South Carolina. Please upgrade my title to Archduke of the Carolinas. Adam, please play the Bob Dylan version of the title change song. You got it. Also, since it's Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day to Mom. I love you. She doesn't listen to the show. Thank you for your courage, Sir Kevin Dills, Duke of North Carolina, soon to be Archduke of the Carolinas. And let me see if I can do this for you. Oh, I did it the wrong way around, but there you go. Here's your boom shakalakas.

[C]

You've got karma

[B]

Archduke. That's a big deal.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Matthew Payne in Tomah, Wisconsin. He came with a thousand dollars and that was a check. Good afternoon, Pot Father and John. I write. Let me move this over. Hold on a second.

[A]

I write to you by right.

[B]

I write to you upon. I write to you upon finally being able to fulfill a quest long in the making. Like getting my extra class. Oh, that's right. He got an extra nice. Extra class. Extra class. Ham radiolife.

[A]

Who gets those extra bands? We're not allowed.

[B]

That's the creme de la creme de la creme of the ham. Writing my final article for publication, I looked forward to being able to cross the threshold and take my turn at the podium with the esteemed soon to be colleagues of Podcast Eminence. I have been both a producer and a long time listener circa episode 750. I would like to thank my friend Kevin Neutman, K9NTZ73 for hitting me in the mouth in those years, all those years ago. At least I think that's his call sign. The poor guy switches so often I just started memorizing his frn. I was scared earlier this year when John's heart toughened after so many years of cynicism and buzz killism, decided to social distance itself from the rest of him. But I was happy to see pulled through and can steadfastly agree with his many critiques of our nation's health care system. His medical event produced some of the most riveting boots on the ground commentary and it was truly value for value at its finest. I also really enjoyed the pods.

[A]

Hurt me. Hurt me.

[B]

You know who says that to an extreme?

[A]

Brunetti?

[B]

No, Calacanis. Brunetti never says.

[A]

But Calacanis does it to piss me off. I know he does. He listens to every single show.

[B]

He is.

[A]

Is a very valuable producer, but he does that just to make me mad.

[B]

Well, he says it and says it and says it and says. I was just listening to one of the.

[A]

I know he's trying to capture podcast podcasts.

[B]

You know they, they're podcasts if you're a nerd, you know, a serious nerd. Their podcast is quite good, but I don't think it's a. A general interest podcast.

[A]

No, it's not. It's a. It's a AI AI podcast. AI investment podcast.

[B]

Yeah, it's an AI podcast.

[A]

Yeah, sometimes.

[B]

How can we make money from AI? Anyway, he says, I also enjoyed the pods hosted by Mimi and I might humbly suggest she host every fourth episode. Yeah, okay. Giving John some much needed rest and a chance to work on his vinegar book. By the way, we do have a vinegar book is now become a chapter in the Dvorak family cookbook coming out later.

[A]

Cop out. Cop out. It's a cop out.

[B]

I can spin it off. The sequel to his vinegar book, many majestic mothers and his seldom discussed plans for direct to paperback Creed. A lifetime of lozenges soon available on audible. No jingles, no karma. 73s from the soon to be 70 Matnik.

[A]

Good note, Matthew. Very good note.

[B]

Is cute.

[A]

Randy and Crystal, $1,000 coming right in from wine country, Napa, California. Please accept this donation as a token of our gratitude for keeping us informed of important things. We love your breakdown of news events. And John, we are happy you're recovering from your cardiac event. Sincerely, Randy and Crystal.

[B]

Sir Horse Meds in grosse Pointe Shores, Michigan. 500 bucks. He's got no note no, nothing. So we'll give him a double up. Karma.

[A]

Yes we do.

[B]

You can come in with a note later.

[C]

Karma.

[A]

Susan A. Taubenkiebel. Taubenkiebel in Rockville, Maryland. Oh, this is interesting. 444.44. I don't think we've seen that many times. 400.

[B]

I don't think we ever.

[A]

And Susan says njnk. So no karma, but thank you very much. Susan. I don't remember her name. I don't know if she didn't want to deduce you or anything but thank you so much. We appreciate it.

[B]

Douglas Schneider in Austin, Texas. Just where you. Near where you used to be. Used to be.333.34 John and Adam. After three Row of Ducks donations over the previous three Mother's Day shows, this donation amount will bring my mother to damehood. She is a die hard listener and no one is more deserving of a seat at the round table. She would like to be known as Dame Roxanne of the right diagonal and humbly request spicy, spicy margs. Margaritas. Must be margaritas. Come on. And calamari for the proceedings. Happy Mother's Day to the soon to be dame and best mom in the universe. Love you, mom. Your son Doug.

[A]

Oh, that's beautiful.

[B]

That was good.

[A]

David McInnis from Bernie, Texas. 333.33 Bernie is really closer to me than Austin for sure. And he says ADAM John. David McInnes from Bernie, Texas. Your Pointcast discussion took me right back to the fun times of the early Internet. Pointcast is actually what inspired me to start PR World. Wow. Is this the guy who started PRWeb?

[B]

Is that right?

[A]

That's what he says. And build it into a leading press release wire service. I ran the whole thing on voluntary financial donations. Start to finish, all the way through to my exit nine years later. That's when he became a millionaire. Yeah, because he sold that. Well, congratulations. My new service picks up where PRWeb left off with a bunch of upgrades. Listen to this. This listeners grab my book for free. Oh, he's doing the whole thing, man. Whether you're selling coffee, candy or pain relief cream made of honey, News Marketing will help you get found online. Go to newsmarketingbook.com ITM that's newsmarketingbook.com ITm. There's no discount because it costs nothing. By the way, I was hit in the mouth a while back by Sir Gene in Austin. A de douching is probably in order since this is my first donation. You've been De douched. No jingles, no karma. Just blessings for all the mothers in no agenda land. What a great story.

[B]

We should have him do some of our pr.

[A]

Yeah. For free. Yes, definitely for free. Free.

[B]

It's volunteer work.

[A]

Yes, it's for free.

[B]

It's volunteer work. Dennis. Dennis.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Dennis. Katie or caddy.

[A]

Cato.

[B]

Cato.

[A]

Cato.

[B]

Oh, so it is Catal. That makes it easier. In Tampa 33333 itm Adam and John. We've had record breaking sales of our manu. Oh, there's our Manuka gold guy. Yes, the Manuka gold pain relief gel. We've been blown away not just by the, you know, we. We deliver.

[A]

We deliver without prepayment. We deliver because we like the product. We like the product we don't deliver. That's right.

[B]

I used to say when I used to do the inside track column in PC magazine, I used to plug stuff, you know, just plug stuff without you know, any compensation obviously except for the column payment and I tracked it that every plug was worth about a quarter of a mil.

[A]

Wow. Wow. That's only fans money baby.

[B]

And this is like I think we're getting into that league. Yeah. Anyway, he says I've always gotten surprised but also by the support we've gotten via email and social media from listeners who truly believe in American run family owned businesses.

[A]

Yes. Nice.

[B]

As a way to generally say thank you for all the enthusiasm, wholesale and retail orders and networking. But with like minded no agenda listeners, we're giving away free dollar twenty five dollar small jars of pure Manuka honey with every order for the next week. Our pure Manuka honey helps with overall inflammation, immune system support, mental focus and long term term brain health. And we're excited to give everyone a chance to try it. Visit manukagold.com and every single order from now until next Sunday will automatically receive a free gift in every box. Thank you. It's been truly overwhelming in the best way possible. Dennis Cadle in Tampa.

[A]

Oh, thank you. Dennis Minooka gold people. Yeah, there was some newsletter that a lot of people receive. I forgot what it was. And they mentioned the interesting marketing opportunities on the no agenda show.

[B]

Really? Marketing opportunities?

[A]

Well, they talk specifically about some dude donates and mentions his coffee in a fun way. And some people have got honey and it wasn't like go market on the no agenda show which by the way we would reject if you hit us with straight copy and like here's 200 bucks.

[B]

Oh yeah, we've done it. You remember that one time we got a bunch of ad copy that was just terrible. And you just didn't read it.

[A]

We've even helped Linda Loupatkin adjust her copy, you know.

[B]

Yes, we have had.

[A]

We're full service, baby.

[B]

On occasion we do write copy ourselves.

[A]

Yeah. Arnis Kelmans. Another name I've not heard before. Arnis Kelmans, Talon. Oh, is that EE? Is that Estonia?

[B]

EE, yeah, it's Estonia, I believe.

[A]

333.33. Thank you very much. Didn't ask for anything. Just says Arnes. It says Arnest Kelman's. That's all it says. So does that. Well, I'm gonna give it do a double up.

[B]

Karma.

[C]

Karma.

[B]

Estonia is one of the most. Apparently is one of the most wired, high end wired countries in the world.

[A]

Yeah, that's what you say.

[B]

That's what they say.

[A]

Well, yeah, sure. They want people to go.

[B]

Well, they say the same thing about Korea.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

And then I've been there a number of times and disappointed.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Terrence lynch in Savannah, Georgia, 333 3, longtime listener. I wish I could donate what you guys are worth. I've lost my accounting info, but I am confident that this donation puts me over the top. For knighthood. I would like to be known as Sir Terror of the Respawns. R E S P A W N S. Please add Manhattan's and pretzel crisps to the roundtable, please. Doing what you're doing. Keep doing what you're doing, please. Keep doing what you're doing.

[A]

Pretzel crisps. That's very British. Pretzel crisps, Dink. Yep. Todd Usnik Yuznick. Usnik Yuznick. I'll say. Yuznick. Houston, Texas, 3, 1585, longtime listener, first time contributor. Please deduce you've been de douched as I begin my quest for knighthood. Thank you very much.

[B]

Daniel Lipinski in Cold Spring, Minnesota. Nuts 2, 1060 becomes the first executive producer for the associate executive producer for the show. And this is a Mother's day switcheroo for my smoking hot wife, Amy Lynn. Not a stripper. Raising Amy Lynn's a good name for a stripper.

[A]

Lest we say something about it. Yes. Not a stripper Amy Lynn. Also not a porn star Amy Lynn. And not a Channel J girl. Amy Lynn. Got it.

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Raising a teenage girl is hard.

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Yes.

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This house would fall apart. This is funny. Well, he's got a typo here.

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It's just corrected for him.

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We've already given this house would fall apart if it wasn't for you.

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Yes. There you go.

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Thank you for all you do for us. Jobs, Karma, please.

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Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Sir Robert comes in from Franklin, North Carolina. $210.66 as well. Gents, I'm overdue for a donation, even as a knight, so I might need a minor deduce.

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You've been de douched.

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If there's such a thing as comfort karma, I would like some for my 94 year old mother in hospice with dementia. Well, of course we have that. In fact, that includes some goat. Thank you Sir Robert of the Smoky Mountain brass. You've.

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And bingo. Here's Eli the coffee guy in Bensonville, Illinois. 205 10. Happy Mother's Day to my mom Tina and to my amazing better half, Jen, mother of our one and a half human resources. She got bun in the oven. And number two is on the way in afu months. Wait a minute, a few months. Wait a minute. A few months. A few months. This one says making a human isn't easy. No, you have to do do it a lot so I can Can I get some baby making karma for Jen? Looks like I'll be back on the sleep deprivation project soon. Good thing coffee helps. If you forget to get mom a gift, visit gigawatt coffeeroasters.com and use code ITM for 20% off ITM 2020 for 20% off your order. And send some coffee today. Stay caffeinated says Eli the coffee guy. And I should mention that Mimi said make sure that people should go to toomanyegs.com and for your mom, get a copy of the book too many eggs.

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There it is everybody. You've got yes

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karma.

[A]

And we've got Stefan Trokels in sust in Deutschland with $200. No note. So that means a double up karma for him. You've got double up karma.

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And now we got Linda Liu in Castle Rock, Colorado for $200 and she wants jobs karma for your resume. Your Resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

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200 jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Yes. And I. I also want to say happy Mother's Day to Tina the keeper, who was a great mom for her two daughters and a great bonus mom for my daughter and Happy Mother's Day in advance to my daughter who will be a mom mid July.

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So well, I want to say Happy Mother's Day to Mimi.

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There you go. I say Happy Mother's Day to Mimi too. And now we continue with the rest of our supporters, donors and value givers. $50 and above. Christopher Ebert from Swartonburg, South Carolina 105.35 Same amount from Bernice Breuer in Roseville, California. Dame Rita Sparks, Nevada she's always there. $105.10 ITM Happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there. Dennis Vollmer, St. George, Utah $100 he says he's a Gen Xer and has a PhD in computer science and he appreciates the pod. $100 From Sir Stewart, the Angry Accountant. He says, this is my 8th annual Mother's Day donation in honor of my Jill Walton who died last year. A truly Christian woman who gave me so much without asking for anything in return and who, from all the correspondence we have gone through, helped so many people over the years. Also, much love to my wife Michelle, 26 years of marriage. We have never had a real fight during this time and she continues to support my two grown up children, Lucy and Alex, each and every day. Many thanks. Looking forward to the show. John Dubroca Jan Dubroca, Sharpsburg, GA $100 Hope to this helps with John's recovery. Oh yeah, it does wonders for him. Anonymous who wants jobs? Karma for Glenn will do that at the end with $100. Amy Stubfield 100 from Hickson, Tennessee, Sir Kevin McLaughlin. Sorry, Stubblefield. What is it? Stubble. Stubble what?

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Stubblefield. You said Stubfield.

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Oh, Stubblefield. Then say Stubblefield, not Stubble. Then do it right. Stubble field. Stubble field. Sir Kevin McLaughlin from Concord, North Carolina. He's not just Sir Kevin McLaughlin. He is the Archduke Luna, lover of America and boobs. Always comes in with a boob donation. $80.08 every single episode. And he says God Bless America and Boobs. To all the mothers around the world. Happy Mother's Day. Zurash Kojiak, Prague Wants an F Cancer. Well we always break for an F Cancer. Sir Dancing Mike, Maryville, Tennessee Birthday Donation for Sir Dancing Mike. His donation for his 58th birthday. That'll be today. Michael Ragus in Tustin, California thank you gents. That's 5555. Brittany Miller, Trinidad, Colorado Also showing up on the list a lot these days. 5272 Brian Gately, Bayville, New Jersey 5272, Sir Thunder of the Bitterroot Valley, Missoula, Montana. Happy Mother's Day to Dame Mama. Thunder of the Bitterroot Valley. Teddy and Jasper say you are Mama of the year. Thank you for everything, Sir Thunder of the Bitterroot Valley. Bad idea. Supply comes in with $50.50. Here are the 50s. Douglas Mook, Cochrane, Pennsylvania. Rene Knicker in Utrecht in the Netherlands. Roderick Brown. I slipped into Dutch there from Mermaid. Prince Edward island in Canada. Stephen Shoemake, Xenia, Ohio. Bastian La Son, which sounds like a Dutch guy, but he lives in. Well, he does. He lives in Hengelo Ofedaijsel in the Netherlands. He says, glad you're back. I wish you a speedy recovery. And finally, Tim Del Vecchio, Blandon, Pennsylvania. $50. Rounding out all of the $50 and above for episode. What are we, 1867? Let me thank the executive and associate executive producers one more time.

[B]

I forgot. Formula is this.

[A]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. And everyone else, thank you very much for your $50 and above. Up to 200. You can easily support us with some value. Value. Value back. For the value you receive by going to noagendadonations.com Please consider supporting the show. Anytime you feel you've gotten value out of the program. The podcast, the pod, go to noagendadonations.com any amount. Anything is valid. There's no other tricks or hoops or anything else you need to do. Just support the show. You could even set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. All up to you. No agenda.

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Donations.

[A]

And we say happy birthday to Sir Dancing Mike, who turns 58 today. Sir Kevin Dills turns 40 on the 12th. And happy 52nd birthday to sir. To Steve Jones. He is the clip collector. We appreciate the value you give so much. Happy birthday for everybody here at the best podcast in the universe, your birthday. Come gather round, douchebag producer and slave, as we all thank your brothers and sisters who gave us some of them nights, some of them days, for the titles are a change. That's right, we have a title change. Although he is about to become an Order of the heart as well. Sir Kevin Dills, Duke of North Carolina, now becomes Sir Kevin Dills, Archduke of the Carolinas. How many archdukes do we have? It's a very small group, I believe.

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I can't tell you.

[A]

Well, that's great. I'm pretty sure it's.

[B]

It's probably about 10 max.

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Can't be much more than that. Thank you very much, Sir Kevin Dills, we appreciate you more than you can easily even know. And welcome to your new title. Top of the list, my friend. Archduke of the Carolinas. Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose, right from the start. In the morning, brave and smart. The Order of the Heart. Yes. These are the people who become Red Knights Order of the Hearts. They will receive not only their night ring but also the beautiful lapel pin, in very limited quantity. Sir Kevin Dills. Matthew Payne. Sir Matnik. And Randy and Crystal. A pin for each of you. And welcome to the Order of the Heart. The Red Knight and Dame status. Behold the Order of the Heart, pure of purpose, right from the stars. In the morning, brave and smart, the Order of the Heart. And we have a dame and two nights to bring to the roundtable. Before we do that, Jobs karma for Liz in Australia. And the jobs karma I promised earlier. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. All right, we got three people here, John, so bring out the sword you're sounding. By the way, can I before you. You just keep it in the sheath. You're sounding so good, it's as if nothing happened. I don't know how you feel. Do you feel. Do you feel good? Do you feel better? You feel. I mean, how do you feel?

[B]

I feel fine.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I feel fine.

[A]

Thank you for that blade. Pop up on the podium, please. Roxanne. Matthew Payne and Terence Lynch. All three of you have supported the the no Agenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more. That means you get the coveted status of no Agenda Knight or no Agenda dame, right here at the Round table. I'm proud to pronounce the Kate the as Dame Roxanne of the right diagonal, Sir Matnik and Sir Terror of the Respawn. For you, we've got Hookers and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay, Spicy Margs and Calamari, Manhattan and Pretzel Crisps. Along with that, Bong Hits and Bourbon, Sparkling Cider and Escorts, Gin Dreadle and Gerbils, Breast milk and Pablum, Rubin Esque, Woman and Rose. And as always at the roundtable, we have mutton and mead. Yeah, mutton and mead. Hey, what you do is you go to noagenderrings.com that is where you will see these handsome dame and knight rings. And all you have to do is give us your size. There's a ring sizing guide on the website and we'll send that off to you. You along with a certificate of authenticity and yes, as always, a couple of sticks of wax. So you can really use those signet rings to seal your important correspondence. Noagendaring no agenda. Yep, the no Agenda meetups are everywhere around the world. In fact, there was one in light in the Netherlands just Saturday night. I could not go because we were hanging out with my daughter. But I know they will be sending me a meet up report soon. At least I hope so. We got a couple of meetup reports. The first one is for Sir Brian with an I who went to the Buda meetup in Texas. You've arrived. The destination is on the left. 404 Main Street, Buda, Texas.

[B]

No agenda meetup. Let me see. Okay, it looks like like I have you guys for 5 o' clock and y' all are going to be right out there on the patio.

[A]

All right, I don't know where everybody's at, but I'm just gonna go talk to women.

[B]

One minute later. Two minutes later. This is a scam. Hey, this is Sir Brian with an

[A]

eye at Astra in Buda, Texas. I'm glad everybody finally showed up. This is Seth of the Buta no Agenda meetup. It's Chris in the morning.

[B]

Hi, I'm Janet Gillis here in Buda, Texas, under the biggest oak tree I've ever seen. Hey, this is Viscount Scott coming up

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from my gopher hole keeper Christine here trying to keep him in line. Hi, my name is Elora. I work at Astra and Beauta. And honestly, you guys, everyone needs to show up on the time that's scheduled because I was left with Sir Brian for a whole hour. There's a lot of trains here. Woo. Listen to that horn. Sir Brian with an eye. Getting very creative, thank you very much. Good that people did eventually show up. Also, there was a meetup in Sonoma, Huino country. This happened just a few days ago in the morning. This is Sir Recalcitrant Crazy Teeth ii. And I've noticed the show is better when a Democrat is in the White House and Ron Paul is still right. Oh, okay. Captain Luke Baron of Sonoma county in the bathroom. Totally not doing cocaine. This is Hernan, and I'm about to take a shit. Oh, please, sir. Is Ulbat here? And apparently we all had to go to the bathroom at the same time. So here we are doing the meetup on report from in the bathroom.

[B]

It's Linda of the Shire.

[A]

Thank you, John and Adam for keeping on. John, you've been such a trooper.

[B]

And Santa Rosa loves no agenda.

[A]

This is Domain Ben named Ben. We're right here. Santa Rosa is bougie as hell. You know, we're all having a great time and people are beautiful and we love this place. This is our server. Hey. Hi, I'm Chris. I'm being told to talk. So Here we are. 4D chess. Yes. You too can stand in the bathroom with total strangers and meet children from other lands at a no agenda meetup. And I suggest you do go to noagendameetups.com find out where a meet meetup will be near you. In fact, if you are in Unionville, Ontario on Wednesday the 13th, the Duke of the south up north in Toronto meetup takes place. Now, whenever sir Patrick Coble shows up somewhere, it's gonna be a hootenanny. I suggest you go visit him. Starts at 6:00 clock at Casa Victoria. Fine dining and banquet. That sounds like Patrick Coble all the way. Fine dining and banquet. That's in Unionville, Ontario. Duke of the south organizing it. So please go visit. Visit Sir Patrick Coble on Wednesday. Let's see, we have our next show day. Is that the 14th? Yeah, I guess it is. The northern wake may meetup, 6 o' clock at Saints and Scholars in Raleigh, North Carolina. And upcoming on the 16th, we have three. We've got Coleyville, Texas. We've got, I'm sorry, Colleyville, Texas. Fort Wayne, Indiana, Los Banos, California. The 17th. Indianapolis, Indiana is going to be a big one. It always is. 21st, Charlotte, North Carolina. 23rd, Wilmington, Delaware, Los Angeles, California. Hickson, Tennessee. Franklin, Tennessee. Dueling, Tennessee Meetups all on the 23rd. Keyport, New Jersey on the 24th. Vancouver, British Columbia on the 24th as well. The 25th. Sequim, Washington. That's where you want to go meet Mimi. Mimi will be there, the toomanyeggs.com book lady. And by the way, sometimes co host. Maybe every fourth show I hear. And on the 30th we have Anchorage, Alaska. I'm looking forward to these meetup reports. Please consider sending in a meetup report. Doesn't matter if it's done on your iPhone. I'll edit it all together for you if you can't do it yourself. And always try to get your server involved in the meetup report. Would you like connection that gives you protection? Do you want to have people in your life who will be the first responders in case of an emergency? You will meet them at a no agenda meetup. Go to one of these. You can find [e-mail] if you can't fund one near you, you should be starting one yourself. It's free. It's easy and always, always guaranteed a party. Noagendameetups.com Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days you want to be where you won't be triggered on hell to lame. You want to be where everybody feels with the same

[B]

it's like a party.

[A]

Still to come, plenty more show for you. We've got three dynamite end of show mixes. We also have John's tip of the day. And before we do anything, we have our ISOs that we always like to listen to. We don't even remember why, but we like to do it. And we'll stick that at the end of the show. And I'm going to start with my four. This first one, I think was sent in by a producer. Let me check. Yeah. Okay. Then we have this one. It was fun. It was a fun show. Not too bad. This one.

[B]

It was pretty great.

[A]

No? And there's this one. Oh, wow. I always go to the well.

[B]

I can't help.

[A]

I can't help myself. All right, what you got?

[B]

Let's start with the top. Dynamite. Wow.

[A]

Oops. Dinah. All might. How do these guys do it week after week? You're already winning.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. Okay, Next.

[B]

Find better.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Find a better podcast than this one. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

[A]

You just. You just blew yourself out of the water.

[B]

And then money. Hey, you got more than your money's worth.

[A]

Ooh, I don't know. I cuz if you play that, hey,

[B]

you got more than your money's worth.

[A]

You know, it's like people don't. Didn't send money to be like, oh, I got. I got. I don't have to do anything. It doesn't feel. I think this.

[B]

Wow. Find a better podcast than this one.

[A]

I like that. What do you. What do you think? What do you like? What do you like the best?

[B]

Yeah. Well, I think the first and second. That one's good. Run it.

[A]

We'll take that one. Hey, but before we do any of that, we have to listen to John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[B]

Okay. And what did happen to my thing?

[A]

What happened. What happened to your.

[B]

There it is. Okay, so no, I have an image that I have to look at. Oh, okay. Tip of the day. This is mother's day. So I decided to go one more day with a wine tip from Costco.

[A]

Great.

[B]

So now this is interesting because this is a. This is. I've talked about this grape. This Pinot Grigio. So I looked into it a little bit. Pinot Grigio. I'd say 10 years ago they were making it a lot in the United States. Junk. Junk wine. It was terrible. But something changed.

[A]

Junk wine.

[B]

So something changed. And so they're starting to make it. It's really good. And I mean at first turned on by one of our producers who makes a. Who has a product from Zavala Vineyards in the. In the Alhambra Valley, which is outside of Martinez. And he dropped off some bottles and I bought a half a case or a case from him.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Because it's just a really tasty Pinot

[A]

Grigio, but sending it the wrong way.

[B]

But the print. Yeah, I know this is funny.

[A]

Wrong way.

[B]

So he's dropped off a lot of wine. So. But the tip of the day here is. Is a. Some stuff from Costco, including a Fri. It's. It's got. The label is a Kirkland signature. This is ridiculous, by the way. Kirkland signature. Friuli gra. Pinot Grigio product of Italy. The Italians are making a killer Pinot Grigios, as they should. It's Grigio. It's a Italian for gray. 2024. This wine is sold at some Costco's for 499 a bottle.

[A]

Boing oi oying.

[B]

Yeah. $4.99 a bottle.

[A]

Now, now I'm going to ask you for a recommendation here. So if I'm going to serve this $4.99 a bottle bottle and it has the Kirkland label on it, which, I mean people who listen to the show, they know how valuable these tips are.

[B]

Decant it into a giraffe.

[A]

There it is. Decant it into a carafe. Ditch the hooch looking bottle and you'll be dynamite.

[B]

Wait, this tip's not over. Go now at Costco for 12 bucks.

[A]

It's a double tip.

[B]

There is another Pinot Grigio which is not a Kirkland one. It might be more to your liking. It's called Italio. C E S C O N. Italo. Italo kescon. Pinot Grigio. 2024. Another 2024, which I guess is a great year for Pinot Grigio. And it's 12 bucks and it's in a fancier bottle. It is not a Costco bottle. And it's got a. Actually at the top of the bottle there's a. There's glued to. Kind of tied to the bottle is a piece of the grapevine.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Kind of fancy. And this is one that is absolutely a stunner.

[A]

So here's what you do. Can you take the grapevine off of the bottle that's tied to the bottle?

[B]

Yeah, you could. You just cut it right off?

[A]

Yeah. And then you just say to your guests, I got this silb you wanted. The candidate chanted, they say this is the actual vine this grape came from. You are going to love.

[B]

Yeah, you could do that if you wanted to be. Bullshit.

[A]

Yes, that's exactly what I am when it comes to wine. I'm full of it. Exactly. I love that.

[B]

So these are a couple good wines, but. But the $4.99 one is going to be kind of hard to top in terms of price comparison.

[A]

Well, for those of you who are listening at this point in the show, you are just so lucky. You get the best price. You get the best. Only with the one and only tip of the day. Noagendafun.com tipoftheday.net.

[B]

By the way, I should mention that that up north is 599. Hold on.

[A]

You talked all over the.

[B]

Oh, I'm just saying, 599. You can expect to pay that too.

[A]

Yeah, Brunetti will be mad because you stepped on his credit.

[B]

Oh, I did. I stepped on Brunetti's credit.

[A]

Yep. Yeah. You'll have to talk to Alex.

[B]

Yeah, I'll get a letter.

[A]

Yes, you violated copyright.

[B]

A demand letter.

[A]

Bowls with Buds with Shadrach.

[B]

This is your first warning.

[A]

Bulls with Buds with Shadrach is coming up next on the no Agenda stream. He's a bitcoiner, so that should be fun to listen to. And we have end of show mixes from Bonald Crabtree. We've got Got Danny Luce is back, and just Baker all in the mix. Looking forward. I think you'll like it. I. I enjoyed these couple of toe tappers. Indeed. And not your typical AI slop for some reason, I don't know what it is. And that does conclude our broadcast day. Next time you hear me, I will be back in Fredericksburg, Texas. We're leaving on Wednesday. Oh, it's a short trip. Short trip. And as always, I am currently coming to you from the hotel with the flaming logo right here at Schiphol in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry

[B]

and from Refinery Row up in Northern California, which is not too far from the post office, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[A]

We'll talk to you again on Thursday, so please join us. Until then, remember us@no agendadonations. Dot com. Hooey. Hooey everybody. And such and such. That's what it was. Yes. Propaganda in the movies and TV screen. Got the masses like puppets repeating their theme no matter how stupid they look. They all narrate the same audiobook all except no agenda in the morning. Give it a few weeks and suddenly you'll notice your amygdala is shrinking Once you put down the Kool Aid you'd been drinking.

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That's true.

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