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Fantastic. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Thursday, May 14, 2026. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1868. This is no Agenda with Pump and Circumstance and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.
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I'm Adam Curry and from Refinery Row where we're all watching what's going on in China. I'm John C. Dvorak.
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It's Crackpot and Buzz. Yes, we are China Chit. China. Yes. But before we talk about China, I had a rather interesting reentry.
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Oh, you're back. You are back from the hinterlands.
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Yes, the lowlands.
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The lowlands. And Gitmo nation there. And you have a report. Yes, always entertaining, I might add.
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Yes. Our re entry into. Well, first of all, we had a great time. You know, we hung out with Christina and Kevin and we just had fun. It was great. And the airport hotel, I have to say, got kind of old after a week.
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Yeah, well, they're not the, they're not the most luxurious of places. They're just handy.
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Well, yeah, I mean, they're business hotels, but we were in the hotel a lot because of the shows and stuff like that. But the thing that bothered me is there was a blueberry in the hallway. Have you had this where you see a blueberry or something on the carpet and like. And then you come back in the afternoon, the blueberry still there. And then for the whole week you're looking at the blueberry and you know, then someone stepped on the blueberry, but it never really got cleaned up. The blueberry. That was very disappointing.
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Oh, what, did you report it?
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No, I did not report it.
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Well, you didn't report it. What do you expect?
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Well, I was waiting to.
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Hello, World service.
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I was.
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We dropped a blueberry.
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I was waiting to see if they would vacuum. The hallway is just a crazy, crazy example. They did not. So we came back via Detroit, which is a fine way to go. You know, you can go Atlanta, Minneapolis, Detroit.
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Detroit is a fine way to go.
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Yeah, for a. For a transfer.
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Actually, that airport's kind of fascinating because there's a subway system that goes in that's inside the airport itself.
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It's more like a monorail. Above. It's not. It's not a subway.
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Yeah, it's. This is weird.
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It's over way. It's above. Way above.
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Yeah, it's above way. It's not a subway.
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And we decided to walk. You know, the gate 73 is a long Way away. But upon reentry, we had. When you. We have signed up. This is typical Tina. Things like we're doing global entry. Okay. We got global entry, and you get your TSA PreCheck and all that to go with it. So at cm, and I should say, as an aside, there's pretty much. It's all CBP now instead of tsa. That was just. We noticed that on the way out. Well, I mean, you know, I think that there's still a cdp.
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The Canadian District Police?
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No, cbp. The Customs and Border Patrol. Oh. Oh, yes. Who are doing. And, you know, and everything's kind of smooth, but then coming back in. So, you know, we. Oh, we don't have to stand in this line. We're going to the kiosk. Going to the global entry kiosk. And it's odd because you have a card and you got your path. You don't need any of that. You just stand in front of the thing. It goes biometrics.
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Hello.
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All right, walk on by. So as we're walking up, because you still have to go through the little. The little port and talk to the dude. He says, adam and Tina Curry. Well, that's interesting. I didn't expect him to come on up here. Family. Okay. And he's like, okay, where were you? What were you doing? Were you working over there? No, seeing my daughter. She's going to have a baby. Oh, that's great. Okay. Bring any cash with you? No, no cash. Any fruits, meats, vegetables? Drugs? Anything else we should know? No, nothing. Okay. And so we go in and we're waiting for our bags, and there were several customs border patrol dudes patrolling through kind of the people waiting for their bags. And I saw it right away. You know, I'm gonna try not to look like patrolling. And boom. Folks, can I see your passports? Okay, passports. Yeah, Here you go. The same questions, you know, what were you doing? Why are you there at work? Can you bring any cash? Any. Any meats, fruits, vegetables? Anything? Any drugs? No, no, no, no. Okay. All right, we get our bags, we're walking towards the exit. Another dude. Hey, folks. Said we just talked to your colleague. Oh, really? Say, yeah. Said it must be because we look like international diamond smugglers. Is that what it is? Why don't you step over here, Mr. Mrs. Curry? My big mouth.
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So you made a snide remark.
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It was a funny remark. I'm like, why are you guys targeting us? Do we look like international diamond smugglers? Yeah, folks want you to step over here. And we're gonna do a little bag check and. But it. What was so obvious?
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Oh, they did a bag check on you then.
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Yeah. Opened everything. Ooh. But the. It was so obvious they were looking for cash. Okay. Do you have any cash on you? How much? I said, how much cash? How much do you want?
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You're looking for cash coming in?
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Yes, yes.
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Why?
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I don't know. I said, how much cash do you want? Got 80 bucks here. That's all I got. And they really didn't do a thorough. A thorough check of the bags at all. You know, and they were nice and everything, but it was just so odd. They kept asking about cash. You got any cash? You got cash? And the whole time I'm thinking, I have a whole.
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There must be a. You know what I'm thinking?
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What?
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There's a counterfeit ring going on in Europe.
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Something must be going on with cash.
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Yeah. They're looking for counterfeit money being brought into the country. I mean, that's the only thing that makes logical sense.
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Maybe. I mean, and there's so much to look at in my bag, you know, I. My studio with me. No, nothing.
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They didn't ask a question about it, I'm sure.
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No, not a single thing. It was. It was kind of, but so it had to be the cash. Meanwhile, I'm thinking, you guys are all so old fashioned. I got a bitcoin memorized in my. In my head I'm walking around with a full bitcoin crossing borders. Didn't mention that. But because it is, isn't that just kind of old fashioned, this whole idea of cash? Who, who smuggles cash across the border anymore?
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Especially into the country?
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Yeah, right.
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Unless it's counterfeit.
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Some of the. Imagine if I had some of those trump dollars that we got the other day. What is this? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So we did have a dinner with Lex and Fariba, his Persian wife, which was interesting.
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Yeah. What's the lowdown?
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Well, first of all, we had Peking duck, which is kind of strange to have that in Amsterdam. And I said, what's the deal? Have you heard from your family? She says, well, once a week we might get a WhatsApp message. And they have to do all kinds of. All kinds of stuff to, you know, sometimes get a SIM card if to find a WI FI signal. Says very, very difficult. But in general, when they get a message, it's like it's. Everything's okay. Nobody knows what's going on. Nobody. They just don't know what's going on and you know, and it was, it was kind of fun as we're just, we're just talking about life in Iran, in Tehran and life in Iran. And, and I say, yeah, you know that son of the Khomeini guy, he supposedly, he's gay. And Faribe says, oh, you have no idea how many men in Iran are gay. What? Oh, yeah. She says, you know, you can't hold hands with a woman, but you can kiss a man on the street. What? She says, oh, yeah, there's even cave drawings in Iran of men having sex with men. This goes back thousands of years. That sounds kind of weird. Yeah, that's what it is. You can make out with a dude, but you can't hold a woman's hand in Iran on the street. Now, on the other hand, she made it very clear to me that his jobs have really not been a thing in Tehran for a long time. In fact, she says, look out the window. Said, look at the street here. Says there are more hijabs in Amsterdam than you will ever see in Tehran. Which was kind of a double, a double slap. Like. Yeah, because it's true, man. You do not want to go to Amsterdam anymore. There's no Dutch people there.
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That stinks.
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Yeah, it does stink, really.
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And it must really ruin the bar scene.
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The bar scene. Actually, I have a couple clips about the, the Internet blackout in Iran, if you want to hear them. Sure. Okay. 90 million people. That is how many Iranians have been functionally cut off from the global Internet since January 8, 2026. Not slowed down, not filtered, cut off, connectivity sitting at 1% of normal levels According to NetBlocks, the digital governance monitor that has been tracking this in real time. By March 10, the total had hit 240 hours of blackout since the start of the. The Internet monitor marked the milestone publicly, calling it one of the most severe government imposed shutdowns on record globally. And that was not even the peak. By April 11, the counter had crossed 1000 hours. The ceasefire between Iran, the United States and Israel had already been announced three days earlier. On April 8, the guns went quiet, the missiles stopped, and the Internet stayed off. That is the detail that tells you everything you need to know about what this blackout actually is. Because this was never about the war. The war was the COVID story. Over the next few minutes, I am going to show you exactly how Iran built a two tier information system. Who is online while everyone else sits in darkness. What the regime told the world out loud about who deserves a connection and why. The plan that filter watch obtained from inside the government makes every other authoritarian Internet crackdown look like a trial run. I thought that was kind of an interesting report because, you know, they really did have a whole plan to cut people off from the Internet, which I guess could happen anywhere. I guess if you had enough control. I don't know about the United States, but I could certainly see it happening in any European country, any EU nation state. And here's some of that plan. The technical architecture behind all of this is what makes this story genuinely different from every previous Internet crackdown. FilterWatch, the Iran focused Internet monitoring organization, obtained and published a confidential government plan in January 2026. The name of that plan is Absolute Digital Isolation. The document describes a deliberate, coordinated, multi year project to transform Iran's Internet infrastruct structure into what it calls a barracks Internet. Under that system, access to the global web is not a default right that gets selectively removed during crises. It is a privilege granted only to vetted individuals and organizations that pass a security clearance process. Everyone else gets the domestic intranet, Everyone else gets state television. Everyone else gets what the regime decides they should know. The plan is being built on a Huawei based platform. Coordinated political partners. Iran International obtained information indicating the project is estimated to cost between 700 million and $1 billion, with all equipment from Huawei entering Iran in 24 containers. After the June 202512 day war, President Massoud Peschkian visited the construction site in March 2025. China's ambassador also paid a visit. So, and they have these jamming systems for the Starlink and you literally have Internet and Internet Pro and if you can afford the Internet Pro and you're on the list, then you can go outside the country and surf the web or do whatever and somehow WhatsApp once in a while gets through. So I can see it, I can see that as being a Huawei system and they sell it. So everybody, hey, you guys want this? You can shut down your people.
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Well, you know, it's a bad sign, but it seems like something that other people would be looking at. You're right. The EU could do it. Yeah, anyone could do it. Maybe it should be done in some countries.
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Well, let's be losing control. Let's be honest. It's not like the Internet has, has been a plus for, for the world. Has it now?
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I mean, it expedites things.
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Yes.
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Yeah, it does, but that's about it.
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It's made our job harder. We used to be able to watch C Span. Now we got to watch all this other crap. It's amazing.
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Yeah, it's true.
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We had to watch all this other crap. Did you see any of the. Of the Hegseth hearings? Everyone moaning and groaning about Iran and how much it costs and all of this?
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Yeah, I saw some of it. I think we maybe played a couple of clips. This has been going on for a while.
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Yeah. Well, my. I think it was Murkowski. Where's she from again? Murkowski?
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Alaska.
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What is she even doing in dc?
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Well, she's the one. You have to. Murkowski was. I don't know how she. She actually kind of. Her appearance changed. She was fairly attractive when she was younger.
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Oh, oh, hold on. Let's take a look. Yes.
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Well, the point is that she was a Republican representative senator from Alaska and then. But she's kind of a middle, you know, middle of the road Republican. And so they decided to primary her years and years ago, and so they brought some stiff in there to run against her and they took her off there. She wasn't a Republican. She couldn't re register as an independent. So she actually had the statewide right in vote.
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You had to write her name in the ballot and she won. You know, I'm looking at her and yeah, she had kind of that cute political kind of face back in the day. You know what? She forgot to moisturize.
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Well, she's got a skeletor like, look now.
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That's where things went wrong. Ladies, you've got to moisturize, particularly if you're doing a lot of flying. Please remember these things. So she misquotes the president, which I thought was just fun to listen to. Now let me turn and say Secretary Hex says that the president has called Medicaid, Medicare and child care little scams and said, quote, we're fighting wars. We cannot take care of daycare. Okay, let's just go back and listen. Do you think that's what the president said? Did he say these are little scenes?
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Seems unlikely.
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And I actually said to them, I
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said to Russell, don't send any money
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for daycare because the United States can't take care of daycare.
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That has to be up to a state.
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We can't take care of daycare. We're a big country. We have 50 states. We have all these other people. We're fighting wars. We can't take care of daycare.
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You got to let a state take care of daycare.
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And they should pay for it, too.
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They should pay. They have to raise their taxes, but they should pay for it.
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And we could lower our taxes a
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little bit to them to make up. But we, it's not possible for us
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to take care of daycare, Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things.
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They can do it on a state basis.
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You can't do it on a federal. We have to take care of one thing, military protection. So that's what he really said. He said the states need to take care of it, not the federal government. But she twists that and let's just listen to that once again. Now let me turn and say Secretary Hex says that the president has called Medicaid, Medicare and child care little scams and said, quote, we're fighting wars. We cannot take care of daycare. Yeah, you see, that's how you do it. Ignore all the preamble that he said. Just say he said this. I'm just trying to understand that is it your position, which is complete positioning because this is, you know, a senatorial hearing and it's all about the clips and it's all about your little moment. And that's what she wanted to get out. And it's dishonest. You're asking taxpayers for another half a trillion dollars for the war that American families should be forced to give up child care and health coverage. And now she. Now it's like, so for your half a trillion dollars. Heg Seth, you crazy Christian. For your half a trillion dollars we have to give up our health care. You can have one and a half trillion dollars for this budget. Senator, that's not my department. I certainly support this and I also support the President's efforts to find and remove fraud wherever possible, in a general sense. And we do that in our department as well. I'm not talking about fraud. I actually asked whether an American family should lose their health care or their childcare to pay for this budget. That is literally what the President suggested. Oh man, it's so good. The President has proposed a historic 1.5 trillion dollar budget that will defend the nation and space Golden Dome, confront threats like Iran, which previous presidents allowed to happen.
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As Senator Graham pointed out, previous administration
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said they wanted to take care of this problem. The question they did not. This committee, the question in front of the American people is what are they being asked to give up for this one and a half trillion dollar? That's where I was talking about. And lastly, Mr. Secretary, your budget request cuts through Trump's ramblings and really rambling the truth clear that you and the president don't value families as much as you value defense. Senator, it's such you don't Value families. You just like war. You're talking to the war guys.
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She's going to bring value families and she should. He should have thrown back at her. With her, what do you need daycare for? Because you should have. Their true family structure would have.
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Oh, yeah. Hey, if you're.
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He's throwing it right in her face.
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Yeah, no, he's not. He's good. He's not that good.
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He's. No, he's not that good.
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President Trump, though, you know, he definitely does not care. The war also taking a toll on American consumers. Inflation rose last month by 3.8% compared to the same period last year. Energy prices fueling the surge with gas up 28.4%. That's one factor driving up prices in supermarkets and restaurants. All the lettuces, whether it be iceberg romaine, field greens, all the lettuce, they are high.
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Oranges are high.
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Tomatoes are almost four over four times what they normally cost. Before leaving for China, President Trump said higher prices here at home will not influence his negotiations with Iran.
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The only thing that matters when I'm
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talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about American's financial situation.
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I don't think about anybody.
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Good work, President. That doesn't help his case.
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That does not help.
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But of course, we have to keep spiking the ball here. So we have Patty Murray. Senator, where's Patty Murray?
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Another one.
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Another one of these.
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He's back east.
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Forgot to moisturize. And takes it a little further. Mr. Secretary, the war in Iran has not only cost 13American service member lives, it is also costing American taxpayers dearly. Tens of billions of dollars and counting. And that's money that could be helping people, perhaps get health care. But instead we're paying for bombs dropped in a war that American people overwhelmingly oppose. See, you could have had health care. We also all could have had, like, a new car, all kinds of stuff. But she. Oh, no, you. Everyone could have had health care if you stopped dropping bombs. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
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Actually, I take it back. Patty Merce from Washington State. Yeah, she's the idiot from Washington.
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Yes, you should. I know that your team testified Trump's war with Iran cost 29 billion so far. Trump's war with Iran, that is $29 billion blown on a war of choice. And that's what it would have cost, actually, to save the.
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By the way. Stop.
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Good.
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You know this idea they've been trying to push, the meme war of choice.
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Yeah, yeah, that's A good one.
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They say it as a, as a kind of a catchphrase, a war of choice. It hasn't caught on. And they, they, they stopped, they started right away with it and then they stopped it for a while and then they're bringing it back.
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Testified Trump's war with Iran cost 29 billion so far. That is $29 billion blown on a war of choice. And that's what it would have cost, actually, to save the ACA tax credits. But as my colleagues have already stated, what is concerning as well is it seems quite clear that that is, that cost estimate is suspiciously low. So this whole, you know, health care versus war, somehow that seeped into the breast, into the President's brain, and, and he's using all kinds of health care terms. Have you noticed this?
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No.
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Oh, check this out. For the time being, the ceasefire remains in place. It's unbelievably weak, I would say. I would call it the weakest right
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now after reading a piece of garbage they sent us. I didn't even finish reading it.
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They said, I'm not going to waste my time reading it. I would say it's one of the weakest right now. It's on life support. They understand. These are all medical people. So Dr. Oz is standing behind him and he said, oh, the ceasefire is on life support. Dr. Oz, life support is not a good thing. Do you agree? Diagnostic?
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I would say the cease fire is on.
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And then I was like, oh, yeah, that's right, Mr. President, massive life support,
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where the doctor walks in and says,
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sir, your loved one has approximately a 1% chance of living.
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But they changed their mind because they
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didn't put it in the paper. So when they sent us this document that we waited four days for, that should have taken ten minutes to do. Look, very simple, we get that they guarantee no nuclear weapons for a very
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long period of time and a couple of other minor things, but they just can't get there.
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Yeah. So all kinds of medical.
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Did you notice how he slipped that new thing in there?
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What's the new thing?
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No nuclear weapons for a very long period of time, as opposed to no nuclear weapons.
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Yes. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely on the table. Yeah.
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So they're obviously going to do some deal where they're working on a deal where. Okay. Moratorium on your doing the enrichment.
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Yeah.
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How many years? Okay. 10. 5. 10. You know, they can make the argument, what difference since they're waiting for the 12th Imam, you know, what's. What difference does it make whether you wait another decade or not for the 12th Imam. Come on. Does it make a difference? Really?
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That's art of the deal right there. Hey, listen, boys, you're waiting for. The guy's gonna come.
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He's gonna come.
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He'll come when he's ready. That's so funny. Yeah. So the President and his entire crew are in. In China. This has been, this has been quite interesting to watch. Do you have any clips on the China visit?
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I don't know if I do. I'm kind of. I'm all over the map with clips today.
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But you want to do some China stuff because I've been noticing a few things.
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Yeah, finish your China stuff up. Yeah, I got Trump and China. This is the prelude on ntd.
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There you go. Yeah, good.
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President Trump touching down today in Beijing for a high stakes two day summit.
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Ah, the terms, the terms high stakes. High stakes. Pomp and circumstance is a lot of buzzwords. They're using high stakes. President Trump touching down today in Beijing for a high stakes two day summit with Xi Jinping.
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As rapid shifts in the global power dynamics loom. Large blows to Beijing's key partners in Venezuela and Iran. Mounting tensions over Taiwan and human rights.
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Expected to be on the Taiwan.
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They're in Taiwan.
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What's the problem with Taiwan?
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Jinx. Key partners in Venezuela and Iran. Mounting tensions over Taiwan. Taiwan.
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You got to be sitting at home
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watching the Chinese run operation ntd.
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Why are they saying Tawan.
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Large blows to Beijing's key partnership partners
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in Venezuela and Iran.
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Mounting tensions over Taiwan and human rights. All expected to be on the table. Entities.
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White House correspondent Mari Otsu sets the
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stage for us on the North Lawn of the White House.
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President Trump's arrival in Beijing for a major two day summit with Chinese Communist Party leader Xi Jinping comes against the backdrop of a new world order. In January, the ouster. Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro dealt a major blow to one of China's key partners in the western hemisphere. And just weeks later, US strikes on Iran hit another regime that's reliant on China. With Iran's foreign minister visiting Beijing a week ahead of President Trump's visit. Again, all I say is Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism and China has been buying 90% of their energy. So they are funding the largest state sponsor of terrorism, but more importantly, Iran. The threat of attacks from Iran has closed the strait. We are reopening it. So I would urge the Chinese to join us in supporting this international operation. You know, there are things moving through the UN that China and Russia have blocked. Now as President Trump is in China meeting Xi Jinping for the first time since they met in Busan, South Korea last fall, talks are expected to go far beyond trade. That's as the president has framed tariffs, market access and the flow of fentanyl from China into the US as national security issues. And while new trade agreements on US Goods like soybeans, beef and other farm products are on the table, past deals with the CCP have proved fragile. Like the October trade truce reached in Busan after months of zero US soybean purchases from China. China only meeting the 12 million ton goal after repeated delays and extensions. The summit also coming as Washington challenges China's critical minerals monopoly. Yeah, you know, so everybody is spinning this in a certain way and I'm a little mad at myself. If I had heard your clip, I never listened to John's clips. For everybody listening, because I want to be just as surprised as you are, I would have done a super cut of this. High stakes. Here's the BBC. We start with the superpower summit in China. The US President Donald Trump has landed in Beijing where he'll meet the Chinese leader Xi Jinping for intensive talks. My colleague in Beijing, Steve Lai, described the moments immediately after Mr. Trump's plane touched down. Mr. Trump, thanks, BBC. We can see Air Force One just landed and taxiing to its stopping position. You can see President military fatigues there standing alone in solitary. In the center of that screen or just to the left as we go past it, the plane will, we imagine, be turning around. We saw a ladder as well getting ready to be placed in position for the president and his delegation to walk down. And you can see another military figure standing as well. China said Mr. Trump's visit could be the start of a new chapter in relations between the superpowers and a turbulent world. Mr. Trump is being treated to a state visit, but significant tensions remain between the two countries. And there are a number of complex issues that US And Chinese delegations will need to navigate. Battles over trade and the fight to dominate strategically important technologies like AI mean the two sides will have some very difficult conversations ahead of them. So even if this visit seems friendly, with Donald Trump predicting several times that Xi Jinping will be giving him a big hug, there's a lot point at this stake here that crap. The other clip has high stakes in it. This ABC clip has highs. Everyone has high stakes with great pomp and pageantry in China rolling out the red carpet. What is pomp? What is pump?
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Ask the robot.
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No, I haven't even fired the robot. Up. Hold on a second. Where is the robot? Hello, Pump. All right.
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Pomp and circumstance. What's the circumstance? Well, let's. There's another. You might as well just. The whole phrase is idiotic.
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Explain the etymology of pomp and circumstance. Come on, robot.
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Pomp.
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It got pump instead of pomp. Oh, here we go. According to the book of knowledge, pomp and circumstance originates from Shakespeare's play Othello, where in Act 3, Othello speaks the line, pride, pomp and circumstance of glorious war. Pomp comes from Latin and French meaning splendid display or ceremony, while circumstance in its archaic sense meant formal ceremony rather than mere conditions. Thus.
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Well, we learned something.
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It has been written. Yes. I didn't know that.
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It's been written. Well, that was interesting. I have to say, it's the first time the robot has provided something that's actually interesting with great pomp and pageantry.
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China rolling out.
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Oh, now we got pomp and pageantry.
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They're just doing alliteration. That is not from Shakespeare. Carpet For President Trump, 300 young people, people waving Chinese and American flags. Steps behind him, Two of the major tech leaders he brought along, Elon Musk and AI chipmaker Nvidia CEO Jensen Wong.
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The president.
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Didn't you just love how everyone was going on for days? Like, well, you know, Jensen Huang's not going. He's not going. Who? He's not going. He's not going.
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There he is.
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Oh, he's going. Had hoped this trip would reset U. S. Relations with China, the world's other economic superpower. The summit had already been rescheduled once because of the war in Iran, but the war is now in its 10th week, and China, by far the largest buyer of Iranian oil, now seeing its supply cut off. And while the president claims the war won't dominate the agenda, he knows it looms large. They just say stuff you'll hear them saying. Everyone is like, oh, this is tense. It's intense. It's all about this. I think Trump is really looking forward to it. I think he's happy.
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He's like, well, did you see Trump's presentation at the table?
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I have a couple clips of that. Yeah.
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Yeah. He's pretty magnanimous.
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Yeah. You remember Ark, America, Russia, China against the globalists. I really think that everyone's on a little party line, a little call. Hey, Vlad. Hey, Xi. Hey, Donuts. How you doing?
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Yeah, and he's got all. He's got all his guys on his side of the table. The Chinese just got a bunch of ministers, but he's got, you know, he's got, I think Tim Cook is there all these guys that are hotshots that do business with China.
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Yeah, listen, more pump.
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Musk has got a Tesla factory there. He's got to be there too. A key story of the day, President Trump meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.
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When we get straight over to Eamon Jabbers.
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He's on the ground in China.
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Damon's on the ground.
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Good morning.
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Yeah, good morning to you, Andrew. You're looking at live pictures now of President Trump arriving at the Great hall of the People. This is for the banquet this evening. Remember, it is evening here in Beijing and they have a star studded cast of CEOs and political figures attending this state banquet at the Great Hall. You just saw the President's arrive. They're about to get underway. We're, we've seen cameras in the room. Elon Musk is there along with a whole host of American CEOs as well. The president was greeted by pomp and ceremony earlier today. Pomp and ceremony. Pomp and ceremony. Wow, this is great. Well, the President was greeted by pomp. You know why they're saying this? They're saying this because, oh, Trump, all he cares about is that they suck, suck him off. Pomp. They just wants pomp. That's why they're saying it because, yeah, they love that. And ceremony. Earlier today at that same Great hall of the People, we saw soldiers marching, adoring children and of course, this handshake, which was a large part of the reason that President Trump traveled halfway around the world to come to Beijing to signal friendly relations with the Chinese side and, and he hopes to cut some significant business deals. Now there were some, some real interesting firsts. I didn't know this, but it's very rare that the Secretary of defense, or of war, as we call him, would join to Beijing for a high stakes summit with Chinese leader Xi Jinping. The visit comes despite past trade tensions and rivalry between the world's two major economies. While President Trump is not being accompanied by First Lady Melania Trump, he will be joined by two key members of his administration. U.S. secretary of War Pete Hegseth and U.S. secretary of State Marco Rubio. Both visits are unusual for different reasons. Hegseth has become the first American defense chief in decades to accompany a sitting president on a state visit to China. This marks a rare break, break from traditional diplomatic practice. That is kind of interesting.
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Yeah. Well, I have a clip here you should play because what's most interesting is Rubio is actually banned from going to China.
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That's the second part of my clip, but I'm happy to play yours.
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Okay. Mine's a little more. Probably a little more elaborate.
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The Secretary of State is traveling with President Trump in Beijing after China sanctioned him back in 2020 for introducing bills as a senator targeting the Chinese regime's crackdown on political dissidents in Hong Kong and slavery camps for Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Rubio also introduced legislation to stop China's forced organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners. Human rights are the most distinct differentiation between the United States of America and the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese Communist Party is currently conducting a genocide. They do forced organ harvesting, which means they pull organs out of living people to give it to officials that the Chinese Communist Party prefers. Is this Rubio saying this?
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No, that wasn't Rubio. That was just somebody doing an analysis.
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This is NTD again. Yeah, of course. This is unlike any regime we've seen for, say, 85 years. You can think back and see who else acted like that. Nazi Germany and others. And President Trump himself has also vowed to bring some of the Chinese regime's human rights abuses back into the spotlight with the imprisonment of political prisoners such as the Hong Kong activist Jimmy Lai and Christian pastor Ezra Jin Ming Ri. They missed the punchline. They missed the punchline. Let me see if I can find it for you. Rubio was a vocal critic of China, leading Beijing to sanction him twice. So how is he being allowed entry into China? Well, according to reports, Beijing is using a linguistic workaround. Rubio's name has been modified on official Chinese lists by altering the first syllable of his surname to Lou. This will allow authorities to bypass. Wait a minute. Isn't that how they pronounce his name? Anyway? Ah. Secretary Lubio.
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Lubio. Lubio. Mr. Lubio, you're here.
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It's almost like they're writing the jokes for us. Oh, I know. We'll do. We can't have Rubio come, but. Lubio. Lubio. Welcome legal restrictions. Without officially lifting any sanctions earlier, China also indicated that Rubio's past actions would not block his visits. The sanctions. Okay, anyway, let me see. I think you're right.
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They dropped the ball on the punchline.
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Yeah, it's a great punchline. Welcome to China. This is NBC, and here's the president exiting the plane now. Going to come down those steps. Now, listen. Listen very carefully. I think the guy comes in here and he's going to tell you what he wants you to hear about how China is supposedly thinking about all this, but he uses really sketchy sources to this particular ceremony that we're going to see here. Jonathan, we had just had Janice explain to us. Tomorrow is really where we'll see a lot of that pomp and circumstance when he actually meets with Xi Jinping when the two of them are together. But walk us through what we're going to see here in this moment and just how significant it is. The President. President stepping onto Chinese soil. Yeah, I mean, as your colleagues said, I think. I mean, this is the first time we've had a US President visiting China nearly. Nearly a decade. Right. And President Trump was the last one to make this trip back in. Back in 2017. So this is. This is fairly momentous, just a mere fact of the trip actually happening. Right. And it is a shift in the overall tenor and vibe for, for the US China relationship. Because after that trip in 2017, you of course had the trade war with Washington between Washington and China. And then throughout the Biden administration, whenever there were encounters between the two presidents, it was always in third countries. Right. I think there was a real hesitation on both sides to engage in this kind of reciprocal visit, especially since the relationship was in such a tense period.
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Right.
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So again, I think this really shows a shift. And again, almost back to an earlier era. In some ways it feels like, ah, crap, that's not the clip I was thinking of. I'm sorry, I dumped.
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That's the second time you did this.
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Yeah, it happens. I got a lot of clips.
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No, it's because you're jet lagged.
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Yes, that's it. I'm jet lagged. So here is a translated version of President Xi's speech. Just a little bit here a minute at the big banquet. And I'm listening to this, I'm like, man, these guys, they got plans together. This was really nice. This is a historic visit. This year marks the start of China's 15th Five Year Plan for Economic and Social Development. The over 1.4 billion people of China join on the rich heritage of our over five. Say what? Oh, you mean the amount of people.
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Yeah, the amount of people we know is bullshit.
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People of China. Wait, let's go back. Here we go. The over 1.4 billion people of China. How many do you think it is? What is the latest tally? What?
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Well, the most people are pushing it at 600 million.
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Wow.
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I think it's around 800 million.
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Still a lot of people.
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Oh, yes. Three to two to three times as many as we have.
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Yeah. The over 1.4 billion people of China drawing on the rich heritage of our over 5000 years civilization. Advancing Chinese modernization on all fronts through high quality development. This year is also the 250th anniversary of American independence. This is nice. Nice of them to mention that the over 300 after they say hey, we're 5,000 years old. But happy birthday. Happy birthday of American independence. The over 300 million American people are reinvigorating the spirit of patriotism, innovation and enterprise. Yeah. And ushering in a new journey for the development of the United States. The people of China and the United States are both great peoples. Achieving the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation and making America great again can go hand in hand. We can help each other us succeed and advance the well being of the whole world. They throw out a maga. The whole thing. That was nice.
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Threw a MAGA in there.
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Yeah, Threw a MAGA in there and said hey, we can, we can work together, link arms, grab Russia. We'll fight the globalists. Here's our president as allies in World War II. President Franklin Roosevelt's mentions of the brave people of China.
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That's what they were. Grew loud cheers and his speeches in the United States.
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And wait a minute. Were we friends back then with China?
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Oh yeah, we had the Flying Tigers over there fighting the Japanese. We had a lot of. Yeah, the Chinese and us were tight. We were the ones that roused the Japanese were on the side of China. There was all kinds of work, workarounds, work togethers. Yeah. We used the. We used our land as a base for landing our planes. They were very. Where did you let us do that?
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Where did this, where did this all wrong? When did all of a sudden they become the big evil China?
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When Mao Zedong basically maybe you know, 49 I think is when that began. And when they.
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Yeah.
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And when the Kuomintang went over to Taiwan and Chiang Kai Shek, you know that kind of thing. Yeah, that era.
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Yeah. It's just a couple of bad dudes.
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It's actually, you know, then they became isolationists and it wasn't until Nixon and Kissinger opened it up.
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Yeah.
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That we noticed that these guys have a lot interesting capabilities over production being one of them.
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Yeah. And then we shipped everything over there and went Ah, screw you America. This is great.
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Of the brave people of China. That's what they were. Drew loud cheers in his speeches in the United States and everybody loved what he had to say. Just as many Chinese now love basketball and blue jeans. Chinese restaurants in America today outnumber the five largest fast food chains in the United States all combined. That's a pretty big statement.
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Surprised? Surprised. Wow.
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I didn't hear that one about the Chinese restaurants.
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I'm surprised they're not calling.
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We love that Chinese food.
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Young President Trump is racist. Racist. He's racist. He's made cracking jokes about them Chinese restaurants. And this is the rap where he gets the invitation to come and visit us. Right. As America prepares to celebrate its 250th birthday, President Trump referencing the past in America's history, talking about US China relations over the years, also talking about the present, saying that today's talks between the two countries extremely positive and productive and referencing the future with an invitation to China's president to visit the White House in September. Yeah, I wish I could find that one clip of the guy together. That's not it. This is. I wish I could find. That was funny.
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What are you looking for?
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Yeah, the clip where the guy was.
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You've gone nuts.
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The guy was talking about. He was reading stuff off Twitter. Oh, well, the chat. The Chinese think this. The Chinese thing. Oh, man.
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Oh, yeah.
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I'm pissed about that. Yeah, maybe. This one of Tres joins us here. Managing partner and director of economic policy at Veda Partners. She's down there in no Orleans. Henrietta, what are your expectations and the expectations of the people you talk to about this coming up summit with President Xi in China? Hey, guys. My expectations are much like yours, pretty low. I think Secretary Besson and Ambassador Greer have been planting that perception for not just weeks, but months now, even before the Iran war started.
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They haven't.
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I am really. I would call attention, like your previous guest to Secretary Besson. No, they haven't. No one's been. This is Bloom. Bloomberg, who is the first.
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Bloomberg hates Trump.
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Oh, big time. A Treasury secretary is going to be leading a delegation like this since Hank Paulson during the Great Recession for all of us who remember what that was like and the coordination that was needed around the globe. So I'm really expecting if any gains are going to be made and it's not just a maintenance of the status quo, I suspect it'll be on the soybean deal that she reached in 2025. I really, you know, everyone talk about, oh, soybeans, it'll be about this. No, I think that's only one topic. And everybody thinks it's Taiwan. I don't think it's Taiwan. I think the topic is, hey, Donald, how do we get some of that oil? We need that oil. What are we doing can we fix the oil? Isn't that the only thing that they care about at this point?
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Well, I would think that would be at the top of the list because China has to get their. I mean there are, there's. They suck energy.
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Yes.
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I mean they do have a lot of coal in China. That's the one thing they do have people always overlook. And they have a lot of coal fired plants that can keep things going. But they need, they need, they need oil.
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Yes.
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From Iran.
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Yeah. And I think they'll still get it at some kind of discount. But a couple things gotta be squared away. Look at my boys here. I brought all these boys over here. We're gonna let you buy some, some, some chips from J. Picked him up in Alaska. You know, at the last minute. He was trying to hide. Where's Jensen from? What is. He's Asian. What are his roots? Is he Korean?
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Taiwan.
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He's Taiwan. Really?
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I think so, yeah.
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I found the clip I was looking for.
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Oh, it's about time.
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I know. It's a Taiwan bit. Here we go. As the President makes his way to the stairs of the Temple of Heaven. Want to bring in NBC News chief White House correspondent Garrett Hake, who is in Beijing. And Garrett, as we take a look at these pictures of the two leaders here after their, their meeting. High stakes meeting. Earlier saw the pomp and circumstance. Oh, she throws high stakes, pomp and circumstance in one sentence there. They're meeting. High stakes meeting. Earlier we saw the pomp and circumstance, the pageantry of pomp and circumstance and pageantry. Welcome ceremony and the warm tone of their remarks at the stage start of the meeting before they went behind closed doors. But what's important is what happened behind those closed doors in those two hours. Yeah, that's right, Francis. And really we only know about that behind closed doors portion from Chinese state media at this point. As you laid out, the Chinese were very quick to say that they believe Taiwan is the most important issue between the US And China. That's he's watching television over there and then he quickly switches to. The Chinese are saying notable given the fact that when President Trump last met with President Xi, the president said Taiwan did not come up at all. Clearly not the case today with Xi warning President Trump that this is an issue that could ultimately lead to conflict. Xi didn't say anything of the kind. He did not say that. They're all say, they're all parroting the same. Well, Xi said border Taiwan. No, you got that off of some television station. The Chinese Ministry of Foreign affairs describes the Taiwan issue like this. They say if the Chinese were arming a US State that wanted to secede, we wouldn't tolerate that in America. Why should the Chinese tolerate the US Position in providing arms to Taiwan? Huh? Say what?
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They're making it up as they go along.
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Completely making it up. The Chinese tolerate the US Position in providing arms to Taiwan. It is a deeply personal issue on the Chinese side. Likewise, another apparent warning from apparent. You hear that? Another apparent warning from issue on the Chinese side. Likewise, another apparent warning from Xi to President Trump, according to Chinese state media about trade, reminding President Trump that there are no winners in a trade war. So we got media people informing media people, but on the ground, the guy's like, you love my blue jeans. I love your Chinese restaurants. Maga this. Working together, that I get a very different vibe than what they want. And then they bring in.
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Yes, because you're listening to actually what they're saying and being recorded.
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That's crazy.
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As opposed to just making it up.
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That's crazy. And then they bring in this thing. So some fairly effusive remarks from President Trump at that bilateral meeting. We also saw comments from Xi Jinping at that meeting. Two warnings for the US Side from Xi Jinping. Jinping. One was on Taiwan. The Chinese leaders. Xi never said this. There's two warnings. Warnings for the US side from Xi Jinping. One was on Taiwan. The Chinese leader said that the Taiwan issue, if the US doesn't handle it properly, could lead to a dangerous confrontation. He did not say anything. This is what. This is what kills me. They're making it sound like he said it, but they didn't. And then here it comes between the two countries. He said, Taiwanese independence is not compatible with peace in the Strait of Taiwan. So a stern warning there on the issue of Taiwan. And also the Chinese leader bringing up this concept of the Thucydides trap. The Thucydides trap? What Thucydides trap?
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From some Greek play or something.
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Again, they go from pomp and circumstance to thydidly threat, which seems unlikely the
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Chinese are going to be quoting, you know, or referring to some Greek play methodology or some structure that makes no sense.
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Let me see thy trap.
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All Confucius say that would be different.
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Thucydides trap is the historical pattern of when a rising power threatens to displace a ruling power, war usually follows. The phrase comes from the ancient Greek historian, thy sudides, who observed that the rise of.
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That's not pronounced correctly, by the way. But I can't pronounce. It Something like that.
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It's impossible. Who observed that the rise of Athens and the fear this instilled in Sparta made war inevitable? You're right. These guys are the Confucius dudes. They're not going to use this. Okay. Bringing up the concept of the Thucydides.
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Thucydides.
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The concept that the rising power in the world will always challenge the established power in the world, and that will always lead to a conflict. Xi Jinping, raising that sort of philosophy. When did he raise that? That. Show me this philosophical point, point to say that this is one of the great questions of history.
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Give me a break.
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US and China manage not to fall into that trap of competition and conflict and war that we've seen time and time again throughout history. Okay. Yes. All right.
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Yeah. Those are neighboring powers, you know, the Spartans.
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Little different. Yeah, yeah. Let's see. I think I got another one here. What is this? What struck me about President Xi's speech is that he's a lot of the language that he uses to describe Chinese aspirations, he's now ascribing to American aspirations as well. This idea of Chinese rejuvenation and making America great again. In order to appeal to his guests listening to President Trump, I want to thank President Xi. My friend.
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My friend, for this magnificent welcome.
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And it really was a magnificent welcome like none other, and for so graciously hosting us on this very historic state visit.
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We had extremely positive and productive conversations and meetings today with the Chinese delegation earlier. And this evening is another cherished opportunity
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to discuss among friends some of the things that we discussed today.
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All good for the United States and for China, and it was a great
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honor to be with you.
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Please.
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Yeah. Please.
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Yeah, yeah. That's magnanimity.
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I see this as very positive.
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Well, so far, yeah. I don't think a food fight breaks
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out or something, you know, and so what?
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Or, you know, maybe lubio starts a problem.
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Lubia. Hey, hey, lubio.
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Lubios are his new name, by the way.
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President Lubio. Get used to it. You know, it's like, you know, okay, so if China busts into Taiwan, can you keep the chips coming? G. I mean, what is really the problem?
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I don't know.
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Well, I mean, this is always.
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You're gonna have to say, you know, the best bet is to keep the chips coming because we don't want them doing them.
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No, but I mean, but I don't see why, if China wants to repatriate Taiwan, we already talk about it like it's part of China that's part of the diplomatic discourse. So if they want Taiwan. I mean, Nancy Pelosi. Oh, we're going to defend Taiwan. I mean, shouldn't we just be like, okay, whatever, that's fine.
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Can we do. The dangerous aspect of this is that Taiwan is where tsmc is.
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I know, but wouldn't China be nuts to say, okay, no more chips for you? That makes no sense.
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Well, they do it with their. They kind of do that kind of leverage with the rare earths.
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Well, but we started our defense. What is it? Defense fund. We have a fund now. Did you know that?
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The rare earth fund.
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Yeah, it's.
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Yeah, it has done, Jack.
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Well, no, it just started. It's the. I forget what it's called, but it's a defense. If you want to do minerals and rare earth, you can go borrow money cheap from the government, from the, from the war. Hey, hey, lubio, can we get some cash anyway?
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Well, on the top is. I think that's.
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Yeah, no, we've done.
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We've done. But that does bring me, since there's so much lying going on, the biggest disappointment of my week. Oh, so John kiriakou, he's been great.
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Yes, I have. I, I, I, I got some things just in case you didn't. But I'm very, very curious.
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Concluded he's a pathological liar.
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Okay.
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And it's one of these things, I'm kind of tuned in. I have this thing about pathological liars because I've run into them now and again. It's always good to spot him as early as you can. The fact that I missed it early is annoying to me, But I'm going to play what triggered me to think he's a pathological liar. And then I also did some research on his. On his being arrested for being a whistleblower. And it turns out that that's not really the what was happening.
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A
Oh. Oh.
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B
He was actually busted for revealing classified information and outing agents.
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A
Wait a minute. So is this kind of like my helicopter was shot down?
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B
Yeah, kind of.
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A
Who was that again? Who was it that got. Got fired from I. Oh, man.
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B
Peter. Jen, Not Peter Jennings. The guy in the middle. The guy that came after Peter jennings.
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A
No, it was an NBC guy because he got. He got demoted to msnbc. No, not Carrie.
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B
Yeah, John Kerry. That's who it was.
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A
No, no, no, it was a news guy.
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B
I know, I know, but I'm just saying that as a joke because he actually looks like John Kerry.
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A
It was. Oh, man.
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B
You know, the chat room would come up with the room is.
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A
They're sleeping. They're like Jews. Israel. Brian Williams. Thank you.
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B
Brian Williams.
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A
Dan OBGYN 5. Thank you.
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B
Let me just read from the report I developed. Okay. John Kiriakou was not arrested for exposing torture itself so much as for disclosing classified information about CIA personnel and operations and then lying keyword there to the CIA during the publication's review process for his book. Read on. Here. He says the justice department said he admitted disclosing classified information about another CIA employee and lying in the CIA's Publication Review Board about a magic box technique while trying to publish his book. And then when you go to the bottom of the report, it says the true story is that he was both a whistleblower on torture, which was true, but he was a leaker of classified information and the legal case was centered around the latter. And so this brought me to his stories about when he was in jail and he befriended the mob and he befriended the Mexican mafia and all this is a cock and bull story. And it's like. Then I started thinking about some of the other stuff he's discussed. Like he has a story about the capture of Carlos the Jackal and the timeline doesn't match up when you start looking at it. And everything he says is like embellishments and he. And he does to look into the down and right thing a lot before he comes up with his. With his tall tales.
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A
Oh, one of those tales.
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B
So I'm just so disappointed. But I have to play two clips. One of them which is the triggering clip, and then the other clip is just a blatant lie or a creation, let's say. Let's call it a creation that he does on this. Another one of these youtuber podcasts. He's on a million of them. But here's the. Here's the karaoke one. This is the one that triggered me to thinking this way.
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A
Well, that's interesting because when we look into Epstein and the files and the emails and all these dumps that recently came out, there was quite a bit. I don't know if you had any time to read Whitney Webb's book. I thought it was. Oh, yeah, Whitney Webb is terrific. Yeah, Whitney's book was great. It's unbelievable how many people fall for the Whitney Webb is great bit.
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B
So this guy's a CIA analyst. You know, he's got insights, he's got nose operations and the rest. And he. He. He goes for that. Whitney Webb is great.
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A
Hey, news flash. There's a lot of dumb people in CIA newsflash They're not all like super spooks, okay? And in fact the new CIA is filled with numb nuts. So.
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B
So here we go. Now I want to play this clip and break it down. I mean this is, this is a creation and it's wrong from the get go in every way possible, right to the end. And he doubles, even doubles down on a wrong fact and he interrupts the conversation. Now they wouldn't be so bad if it was just like in the. During the conversation he kind of throws his head. No, no, no. He stops the presses so he can tell you this valuable information about Venezuel Venezuela. It's oil and the whole thing and it's all bullshit. Here we go.
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A
And let's if you don't mind Jay. Oh feel free just to speak a minute about Venezuela. How does Venezuela fit in or not fit into this? Venezuela is different. It's separate Venezuela. Venezuela's oil is. Is so dirty, it is so high in sulfur. Oh man, this is right up your alley. Oh you must. When you might must have been just cringing listening to this.
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B
No kidding.
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A
This is. People have to understand if anyone wants to know about oil and types of oil and refinery and mixtures and summer oil and summer gas and winter, John C. Dvorak is your guy.
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B
Well, it's only because I worked with. I worked as a refinery. I just a background knew people. I worked as a refinery chemist for two years and then I became an air pollution inspector at with Standard Oil as my beat for eight years. I have some knowledge about the business. You have standing and I have standing and I do try to keep up. In this case I like look at the trades and I see. Wait a minute. How do you. How does this work? How does that work?
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A
Is that Oil Daily? What is the trade?
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B
There's a bunch of them. There's a bunch of trades. Oil Daily looks like typical like a
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A
new podcast this week in oil.
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B
I'm telling you I had, you know I was. As I was doing this I ran into the fact that I was still like a decade behind on my jet fuel knowledge.
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A
Oh no algae. Yeah.
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B
Because I'm seriously thinking, you know JP4 which has been discontinued completely.
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A
Oh man.
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B
For to be replaced by Jet A and JPA1.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I didn't. You know, I was thinking. Oh geez. I'm still thinking these old. Because when I was a chemist I was. We used to analyze JP the JP4 stream and make sure it had enough anti freeze agent in it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Which is anti icing agent. You had to iced it down. You ice the JP4 down till it froze.
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A
Wow.
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B
Anyway, back to this. Okay, back to this bullshit this week
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A
in oil with John C. Dvorak or not fit in. Hey J. Cal, new podcast for you to this. Venezuela is different. It's separate. Venezuela. Venezuela's oil is, is, is so dirty, it is so high in sulfur that it can only be refined at specialty refineries where they inject tons of chemicals to try to purify it. Even still, you can't purify it enough to, to turn it into gasoline. Right, right, right. And, and these, these refineries exist right now for the most part only in, in South Florida. The Chinese built one recently, the Indians built one. But for the most part, the only refineries that can handle this really dark heavy oil are in Florida. And the oil is used only for home heating oil. So when we talk about oil and international oil and opec, of which Venezuela is a member, we have to keep Venezuela sort of off to the side because it's a different issue from a foreign policy perspective. Wow. No mention of China really at all. Okay, go.
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B
Okay, well, let's not mention the fact that Corpus Christi, Texas.
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A
Thank you. Yes.
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B
Most of these refineries. Texas has most of the refineries in
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the country, not Florida.
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B
Corpus Christi has a dozen refineries that handle this oil. Mississippi has the big Chevron refinery that handles this oil. Louisiana has about half dozen that handle this oil oil. Florida. Florida. Florida has no refineries whatsoever. It's one of 20 or so states that have no refining capability in the entire state. So he's talking about Florida. Second. Besides that bullshit. Second. This kind of oil is the most valuable sort of oil. It's got the long hydrocarbon chains that can be broken down by cokers and fluid catalytic converters. FCCs as they're called. And they can. This oil can be made into gasoline, no problem. It can be made into kerosene, diesel. And it has the advantage because it's so heavy of being used for making asphalt, which is most oils can't do. You can't make an oil a light crude, a really light sweet crude. You can't make it into asphalt. You don't, you can't just boil it down and it turns into asphalt. No, you have to have the, the big heavy crudes to do all the good stuff. And that's what these, these, that's why the Brent sells for more than West Texas Intermediate on the open market. But so, so he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's not just used for home heating oil or whatever he said. It's just bullshit. It was bullshit from the get go. And the. The hydra, the problem was. So sulfur. Yeah, you do. And you don't use a million chemicals, although it can't. You can use some chemicals in the front end to soften the blow, but generally speaking, it goes into a refiner and it's hit with hydrogen. Just hydrogen. Not a bunch of chemicals.
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A
Crack it. You got to crack it.
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B
Well, no, it's not. No, not. No. This is a different process. This is hydrogen desulfurization, which is totally different process. And it turns the sulfur into H2S gas, which is super toxic and kind of a plague on most refineries. And then sent to a sulfur plant where it's turned into elemental sulfur.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Which by these plants there are mountains of this sulfur. And so he's full of shit, this guy.
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A
I love that you bring in Venezuela. And yes, it was fun. Stop. I could just say something. I need to give you some expertise here about Venezuelan oil. It's no good. It's just crud. It's no good. Good. But have you noticed that China has been very quiet? They were getting all their oil from Venezuela, all of their oil from Iran. I'm telling you, this is not about Taiwan. It's not about beans, just soybeans. No, it's like, hey, we're. You know what, G. Why don't we give you oil that are nice big beautiful ships that you don't. You don't have to ghost ship in the middle of the ocean. We'll just give it to you, we'll sell it to you. You, best price. It's going to be good. What ships? What ships got out of hormuz? Chinese ships. Come on, this is a. America, Russia, China working together against the globalist dickheads. Sorry. Just have to say it will all circle around Carney in Ottawa. Obama shows up, Soros shows up. Well, we gotta. We got. We're the new. We're the new new liberal world order. We can do it. Rules based liberal new world order. No, these guys, they got it. They get it. We're going to work together. We're going to compete where it makes sense. But what we're not going to do is we're not going to be part of that stupid system anymore. That's what's happening. So now Kiriakou, he's an op. Now that you play these clips, he may just be really stupid and just loves getting on podcasts. Does he have another book? He must have another book. Book.
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B
Well, he came up with. I think he's got three books so
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A
far because he was on. I forget which podcast this was. And maybe he, by the way, ended
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B
up on Jesse Waters the other night.
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A
So he gets around and. Oh, it's Kiriakou. I think it's just because it's a cool name.
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B
The old Kiriya got a cool name. And he's got this story he tells about his being a whistleblower and this is why he never got the pardon. Oh, by the way, just back to the oil. Oil, Mexico and Ecuadorian oil is pretty much the same as Venezuelan oil, and nobody bitches about that stuff. But anyway, Kiriakou's always moaned and groaned about getting a pardon because he's this great whistleblower. No, he's not getting a pardon because he's not a whistleblower. He was busted for being a leaker. And if Trump hates people, anyone that he hates the most is a leaker,
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A
it's a leaker speaker. So you remember on Sunday, I played a clip. It was Sunday. I think it was Sunday or Thursday from the New Yorker guy. And like, oh, Tucker Carlson, he's the guy that can do it. He can run against Trump. Remember that clip? Oh, hold on a second.
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B
Gotta.
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A
Gotta grab that one. You remember it, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. So when I heard this little ditty, these three little short clips from Kuryaka, I'm like. Like, this is an op. And it could be that it's. So my initial thinking was, this is an op. This is a CIA op. Because there's still a lot of CIA, CIA people. No doubt. You don't hear Trump talking about the CIA much. He's got Ratzenberger sitting there like, you just keep him away from me. Ratzenberger. Is that his name? Ritzenberger? Ratzenberger.
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B
Yeah, Ratzenberger's a good name.
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A
Ratzenberger. And then Kiriakou does this. So if you look at the polls, somebody like Tucker Carlson. Yes. Has an actual shot at winning this thing. So, yeah. Oh, I spoke to him about this recently. Okay. And I love this chick, by the way, on the podcast. Yes. Listen, listen.
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B
By the way, with Kuryaku, nobody on any of these podcasts ever pushes back on any of the bullshit that he says.
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A
She's like, yeah, yes. Because, you know, obviously if you're a podcaster, you want your podcast president. You want Tucker Carlson to be your president.
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B
Yes.
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A
If you look at the polls, somebody like Tucker Carlson has an actual shot at Winning this thing. What poll is he reading?
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B
He's making it up because he's a psychological liar.
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A
This is great. Listen, so, yeah, I spoke to him about this recently. Okay. And he professes to not be interested. Glenn Greenwald is another popular writer, podcaster, commentator. Commentator. I think Glenn Greenwald would consider himself a journalist. I know that Glenn has spoken to him as well. Like, you have to run. And I. And I told Tucker a week ago, I said, I doubt it. You have to run.
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B
I doubt that's true. I doubt that's true.
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A
No, if he's lying, of course. But it's fun. Listen, it's like, you have to run. And I. And I told Tucker a week ago, I said, you have to run, and I'm all in. And he said, well, no, it's. Yeah, I'm not a politician, which is true. But that's exactly what America wants. They don't want a politician. They want someone they can trust. And out of everybody that's out there in the chattering class, like you and in the chattering class. Ah, that's what we are, John. We're in the chattering class.
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B
Yeah, well, we're chattering.
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A
They want someone they can trust. And. And out of everybody that's out there in the chattering class, like you and me, he's the one that people trust the most. Yes.
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B
What?
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A
I never said that. Those words never parted my lips. I never said anything like that. Read my lips. I never said trump is the antichrist ever at all. But he goes on our boy Kiriakou, because he says what he believes, even at a significant personal cost. He has to have security now. Really? He has to. He has to have security because he's becoming so prominent, so important. He's. He's getting threats. And we're in this crazy period right now. Three different people have tried to kill Donald Trump.
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B
Okay, stop. Stop for one second. There is a clip going around of somebody. Somebody with I guess his palace filming it with a camera. They caught Tucker at the grocery store.
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A
It's an old clip.
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B
Oh, is that an old clip?
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A
Very old clip.
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B
Yeah. Okay.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
But the guy was harassing him.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, Tucker just walked away. I mean, he didn't have security with him then.
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A
No. This is Kiriakou. He said that his family members have received threats. Absolutely. Yeah. And he decides to run. It's gonna really set his life in danger. So maybe that's what he's contemplating. I think that's exactly what he's contemplating. I think that that is. I think that his primary concern is his family, as it should be. And I think that he's probably thinking, what do I get out of this? I get one headache after another. He likes his life. He lives in a. In a beautiful part of the country. He's an avid fly fisher, so he can go fishing anytime he wants. Why change that? Is it really worth it? Yeah. What are you saying? Well, I got one more clip. By the way, we know that in the winters, in the winter, Tucker goes around and has dinner with his friends. Remember that clip? It's like, oh, in the winter I go and have dinner parties. We're having a dinner party in D.C. okay. With that said, you compare. You compared what might be in 2028 with Ron Paul and Ross Perot. And I'm going to add John Anderson. John Anderson was a liberal republican congressman. No such thing exists anymore. A liberal republican congressman from Illinois. In 1980, he ran against Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter, and in the end, Reagan got 51%, Carter got 40% and Anderson got 7%. Anderson had no money. Wow. And he got 7% of the national vote. Well, Ron Paul got under 2% when he ran. Ross Perot got a good 20%. But he also spent, you know, almost. Ross Perot dropped out. What is he talking about?
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B
Ross Perot didn't dropped out because he was being threatened.
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A
Yeah, they said, I'm gonna kill your family and rip their heads off. Okay, he ran Ross Perot good 20%, but he also spent, you know, almost a billion dollars out of his own pocket. This year could be different. This year could be different because if you look at the polls, people hate the uni party. For all intents and purposes. The democrats and the republicans are just different sides of the same coin. They essentially agree on everything. There are minor disagreements around the edges that they want us to think are grave differences. Differences. And they're not. So I have to restate my thinking now because I initially thought this. Now I. Now I know it's an op. We've got the new yorker saying, tucker, Tucker, Tucker. And then kiriakou. But now I think this guy just likes being on podcasts and he'll say and he'll mimic anything he hears and anything he thinks is possible. He loves being on podcasts and he's latching on to Tucker's coattails, I guess, ass. So.
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B
Well, he did it. He did. Tucker show was very unremarkable. It was one of his worst podcasts.
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A
I think he was too star struck by Tucker, his future president. President Tucker.
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B
Actually, it's a possibility. What, that he was starstruck?
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A
Yeah. But not that Tucker would ever run or would ever become a president.
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B
No, it's dumb.
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A
There's too much going on with him. No. Anyway,
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B
yeah, yeah, so that's my very disappointed because I was hoping to turn, you know, because he has. He slanders people, you know, by one person after another. Giuliani thinks should be in jail. He goes, he has a whole bunch of. And I was hoping to make a, you know, kind of a department, a segment of the show, the Kiriaku Slam. Kiriago. Then I realized he's full of no good.
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A
Oh, did you see Netanyahu on 60 Minutes?
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B
I did not. I missed it.
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A
Oh, this is great. So clearly BB has seen the writing on the wall, the proverbial writing on the wall. And he's, he's looking at things and going like, man, I got to make a statement. Man, I've got to stop. These kids are. They're killing me. They're killing me. They're making me look bad. It's like they got the wrong idea about Israel. I haven't idea. Do you believe it's time for the state of Israel to re examine and possibly reset its financial relationship? This is a scripted question. United States, meaning what the United States provides to Israel on an annual basis. Absolutely. And I've said this to President Trump. I've said it to our own people. Their jaws dropped, but I said, look. Laughter, laughter. Said it to our own people. Their jaws dropped, but I said, look, what do you mean? What are you saying? I want to draw down to zero the American financial support, the financial component of the military cooperation that we have because we receive $3.8 billion a year. And I think that it's time that we weaned ourselves from the remaining military support. Can you give me a timetable? I said, let's start now and do it over the next decade, over the next 10 years. But I want to start now. I don't want to wait for the next Congress.
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B
I want to start now.
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A
Oh, that'll be no good. Then. We can't say that we give money to Israel anymore. Can't have that. And then, and then he went into. This is his own personal thing about the cell phone. You know, he's got. I got no weapons, man. I got no juice. I got no social media juice. I gotta pay people. I have. People gotta do stuff. I gotta geo fence the churches. We gotta have some good stuff about Israel. But I don't seek wars. I've been through them, I've been in battle, I've seen friends die in battle. And you would reject any characterization of. I can't do very much of that because you can get into the cell phones and you can repeat again and again that I'm a warmonger. Remember what he says? Warmonger. It's about him being a warmonger. Oh, this is no good, people calling me a warmonger. And you can repeat again and again that I'm a warmonger. Remember what indiscriminate sometimes used. Yeah, indiscriminate. We're as discriminating, as surgical as any army has ever been in history. Not only with the beepers and not only with those leaders in Iran and not only. But in Lebanon and in Gaza. In Lebanon and Gaza, yes. We do everything we can can to avoid it. We've killed 2000 terrorists now since the beginning of the roaring lion epic fury, and we've been very careful to target them. But it's, you know, if people say that you're a warmonger and that they repeated ad nauseam, you know, it assumes the cachet of self evident truth. And that's what's happening. You get into their cell phone, you get the bots to repeat it. You show a picture of a picture there of a tragedy. For us in Israel, every civilian death is a tragedy for our enemies. It's a strategy. They implant themselves among civilians, you know, so that they have civilian casualties and they can put it on the tube or in your cell phone. So. Yes, I mean, I don't know how to fight it. I, I mean, Churchill, without cell phones and without digital campaigns and farm bots, was labeled a warmonger in the 1930s because he said you have to stand up to Hitler, Hitler. And they accused him of being a warmonger. And Hitler didn't even say, death to America, death to Britain. You know, I think he might have planned it, but he didn't say it. Still, they accused him of that. And he won the war and lost the reelection. Little snipe there. He won the war but lost the election. Bibi's fighting for his life here. Think, you know.
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B
Well, yeah, because if he, once he gets tossed out of office, which should happen eventually, he gets arrested for some corruption charges.
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A
Yeah.
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B
The courts are lined up against him.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That's why I've been trying to.
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A
He's been trying to prolong the war in Iran.
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B
Yeah. Or anything.
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A
We can't, we can't stop this war, Trump. You can't win this War, man. Then I'm a dead man. Walk, talking. Can't do it. Can't do it.
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B
I got a couple other things here. There's also the CIA, the real whistleblower showed up in front of Congress to bitch and moan about.
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A
Well, allow me to play this setup for you. Hold on. The setup is. Hold on. Because the CIA was very mad about this guy.
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B
Yeah, I would be too, if I was the CIA.
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A
Hold on. Let me find this.
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B
Making it look as though the CIA is, you know, what happened was the CIA is now. So. Okay, play that right now.
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A
Well, go ahead. You.
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B
You tell. Well, yeah, my thoughts are, you know, the CIA were largely suckered by Fauci, who had some, you know, things to say. In fact, in one of the first clips I play here, I'll kind of introduce the idea that, you know, China, they didn't want to hurt China's feelings or there was something that was going on that nobody knew about, that the whole thing was very scammish. When the whole. When the, when it was all fouchy, you know, doing his gain of function stuff and using a Chinese lab to do it. You know, it's like, you know, he's covering his own ass. This guy, you know, Mimi was bitching about this guy. This guy. Talk about a guy who's skating. You got Rand Paul just going after him from the get go, knowing that he was lying because Rand Paul had the. Somebody told. Read him in on what was going on. So he's always asking these pointed questions in the, in the hearings to Fauci to get him to lie, lied over and over and over again. They're not going to do jack to Fauci.
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A
Here's the, here's the clip about the CIA being mad about the whistleblower. You have the clips of. And I want to give you a little color that we're getting from the CIA just now. They are not happy with the way this hearing is going down. They are accusing Senator Rand Paul and the Senate Homeland Security Committee of, quote, acting in bad faith in putting this hearing together. They say this witness in there isn't a whistleblower. They say he hasn't sought any whistleblower protections. They said he's in that room right now because the committee subpoenaed him, compelled him to come in and testify. And the CIA says they weren't given a heads up about this. The committee didn't go through the proper channels. Oh, no. Provided Fox News a statement. It says in part, quote, the committee acted in bad faith by Subpoenaing an agency officer for testimony today without notifying CIA despite having already obtained closed door testimony from the individual previously. The witness testifying today is not appearing as a whistleblower in pursuit of the truth, but instead in response to to the subpoena issued by chairman Paul. This proceeding amounts to nothing more than a dishonest political theater masquerading as a congressional hearing. As the CIA has already assessed, COVID 19 most likely originated from a lab leak. And efforts to undermine that conclusion are disingenuous. Well, Harris, as senator Rand Paul was walking into that hearing room this morning, again, he chairs this committee. I told him about that CIA statement. Told him they're accusing him of operating in bad faith. I asked him to respond to that. Here's what he said. The CIA says the committee acted in bad faith with this hearing. They just sent out a statement. Your response to that? You know, I think transparency is good. I think we over classify everything. Congress passed a law to unanimously declassify all of the COVID information. We all want to know the truth. Where did it come from? Why has it taken so long for. For people to admit to it? Now, almost every agency admits that it did come from the lab, but they still haven't been forthcoming. There's no reason to have secrets on this. We want them to obey the law. The CIA needs to obey the law, and they need to reveal the information. There you go. So ciad mad.
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B
In fact, he's right. There was a law passed that said you have to declassify everything and the CIA acted in bad faith.
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A
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right.
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B
So, you know, this is the old, you know, you are what I say I am what I say you are. Which is a Dutch phrase.
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A
I got a new one. Did I ever tell you about strontan de knicker? No poop on the marble.
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B
No poop on the marble. Someone has dogs.
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A
Obviously poop on the marble. This is what we would say when you get a whistleblower like this for the CIA. Jepstront on the Canadian, there's poop on your marble. And I guess back in the day, if you were playing marbles and it rolled through some poop, you had poop on the marble.
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B
That's another poop on the marble. Not on a marble floor.
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No, no, on the marble that you're playing marbles and then all of a sudden your marble runs through poop. You got poop on the marble. Wow.
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I've never played marbles as a kid with poop in the area. I try to Stay out of the area. That would have poop.
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Oh, the Dutch, you know, they used to have a lot of poop around, I guess.
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Guess so. Well, here goes. CIA whistleblower. This is the intro one next.
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Republican senators questioned a CIA whistleblower today over allegations that the intelligence community downplayed
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evidence supporting a COVID 19 lab leak.
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Lawmakers accused officials of withholding documents as
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well as shaping analysis to avoid blaming China entities. Chris, Bob has more from Washington.
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Oh, all right.
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See now this is where I disagree. I don't think it had anything to do with blaming China. I mean, I mean, Trump was calling it the Chinese virus.
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Yeah, right. Racist. He's racist.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Spanish flu is not racist. The Hong Kong flu, You know, we've
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been through all that.
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We went through that. But. So I don't, I don't think it had anything to do with blaming China. It was because the fact. I still think this is true. It hasn't been discussed. I think there are liability issues where all the dead people in the world because of the leak of this COVID 19 SARS virus, and it was developed by the United States as a weapon or something, and Fauci was behind it and along with some other people that he worked with as middlemen. I think there's liability issues. I think there's lawsuits for death.
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There should be.
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And nobody wants to take, Nobody wants to look at it from that perspective. I don't think it had anything to do with blaming China. They were blaming China anyway. The wet market, all these dumb Chinese, they eat pangolins. I mean, it's ridiculous. So this was. I still think there's a liability issue and I think it needs to be explored. We developed a biological weapon and killed people with it. We need somebody should sue somebody.
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I'm with you. Where is Rob the constitutional lawyer we need?
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Okay, here we go.
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Bring out the suits and boots. I'm here today to discuss the COVID cover up. Intelligence community leaders and senior analysts downplayed the possibility that the COVID pandemic originated as a result of a lab incident. Republican Senator Rand Paul at a Senate hearing questioning CIA whistleblower James Erdman on how Covid origin assessments were shaped. For years, Americans were told to trust the experts. So the very scientists that were commissioned to investigate Covid were in some cases the very scientists who were complicit in the origins of the gain of function experiments. Erdman also described a top down push inside the CIA over whether Covid most likely originated through a lab leak. There was new Information that came out in 2022. Ten CIA scientists that were said, why don't you go ahead and do a Covid relook? Eight of the 10 were definitely leaning in on lab leak. Erdman said Management pushed analysts to revisit their findings after a new assessment emerged. Six of the seven technical experts say, yep, we still think it's a lab language. Management changed the analytic line. Senator Josh Hawley questioned why the Biden administration released only a five page report after Congress passed a law requiring declassification of COVID origin materials, saying that statements in the document were false. They said number one, that nothing that was researched at the Wuhan lab could plausibly be a progenitor of SARS. COV2 are those true statements? But no, they're not not true. And if they aren't our screw ups here in the U.S. why would the U.S. government cover up for the CCP? Erdman said one of the top scientists who did not want to go public said to him nobody wanted the lab leak conclusion. And I'm concerned that there's too many people willing to make excuses for China in this organization for the wrong reason. Yeah, I think it's always the COVID up. They always screw it up in the COVID up. They're no good at it. It's always the same. The COVID up is what makes it worse.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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And if you listen to this guy,
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you know, unless you get away with it.
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Yeah, but you can't get away with it. The guy is, he's talking about Fauci injecting emails and then changing the, the National Intelligence Assessment. It's, the whole thing is it's corrupt and it's full of crude and the question is, will anything come of it?
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Yeah, you know my thing, my take on that is no.
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No, your take is always pretty much no.
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Yeah, well, yeah, because Republicans, they have no backbone. They, they haven't got the wherewithal to really.
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But this isn't the, this isn't a political thing. This should be a Department of justice thing. The Republicans can't throw someone in jail. They can only bring, they can only bring light.
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I know. They do a referral and then it dies.
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Well, that. There you go. There you go.
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All right, here's the. I use one more clip.
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This is however, the season of reveal. I mean, we're seeing everything.
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You've been saying that for five years.
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Well, I didn't say the season of arrests. I said the season of a reveal. It's correct.
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Here we go.
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Senator Ron Johnson said he Wanted a bipartisan committee like the church committee to review intelligence agencies. But he pointed to the fact that no Democrats attended the hearing. It is well past time for us to have a church committee. We're not going to get bipartisan support for church committee. There's, there's no curiosity on the other side about what's happening inside the deep State Senator Paul argued there is no reason why scientific arguments surrounding Covid 19's origin should remain classified. Reporting from Washington D.C. chris Bob, NTD News.
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Yeah, let me put the. There wasn't one Democrat at the hearing. They all bailed, they all boycotted it.
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That's interesting.
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The, all the seats, the Democrats were empty. So the guy's going to talk about the origins of COVID and the Democrats refused to come to the meeting.
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That's the story. That's the story right there. Why didn't they do that?
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Well, they did discuss it a little bit here and there, but it was. Why? I mean it's like, are they CIA stooges in the Democrat party or they.
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Were they pro Covid or they this vaxxers? Yes, the answer is yes. Pro Covid, pro vax, pro social distancing, pro grandma. Empty chair at the table, lockdowns. Yes, yes, they were definitely empty chair at the table. Yeah. Here's one of the clips from this hearing and I'll jump to June 2021. We as the IC at the net, that's the intelligence community, at the national intelligence community, something or other, happily pursued those recommendations. And in one email, which I'll describe to you, the person in charge of leading the 90 day study, you know, he introduced himself to the community that on what they, what they were supposed to be doing. And then the community said, he said, listen, we've got these people we should be talking to. And another very senior NIC officer sent a direct email to him saying, hey, considering that Dr. Fauci is a public health expert, are you sure we should be relying on this? Shouldn't we have a separate set? And in this instance, the individual responded, no, in this case, Dr. Anthony Fauci is a subject matter expert. However, that's directly contradicting his public testimony of being a subject matter expert. Part of the job. And intelligence, when you interview someone is assessing their truthfulness, their potential biases or conflicts of interest. Did anyone ever bring up that Anthony Fauci approved the research that went on in Wuhan? And it might not be in his interest for the conclusion to be that it came from a lab that he had funded, that there be Might. Might be a conflict. That was. Did any everybody ever bring up that he might not be an objective witness? That was one example of an email. No one laid it out quite that clearly. You're piecing it together. We were piecing it together from multiple emails from multiple agencies, multiple documents. It was, it was. It was more subtle than that. Nobody said this is happening and unfortunately I think they probably should have. It was all. It was all out there. So there's about five clips that I have. Have. You'll find him in the show notes if you want to listen to. It was very interesting testimony. Nothing we didn't know already. But it was nice to hear it. We might as well. Since we're in the COVID vibe. We might as well just check in with the hantavirus. There are now 11 confirmed cases from the hantavirus outbreak on that cruise ship which has killed three people now. And the World Health Organization says all the infected are either passengers or crew. From what they never. What they never mention here on CNN is what the World Health Organization says, which America no longer is a part of. We no longer are a part of the World health organization or 60 plus other globalist organizations. We're not a part of that. So it doesn't count anymore. And the World Health Organization says all the infected are either passengers or crew from the MV Honda. In the meantime, at least 29Americans who are on the ship are under monitoring across multiple US States. Sixteen of them are in a special facility in Nebraska, including Jake Rosemarin. He spoke to NBC today about his life under quarantine. I do not have the virus. I'm well, I have no symptoms. I feel good and I'm in good spirits right now. Everything's fine. But that's not how media works. And luckily I'm pretty sure the American people won't fall for it anymore. Although man, it was wall to wall coverage in the Netherlands. Every talk show, all the same, people pop up again. Oh, I can go on tv. Wait, let me get my scarf. We bring in former White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator, Dr. Deborah Birx. Dr. Birx, thank you so much for being here, helping us shine a light on what's going on. Some concerns, hopefully. Good to be with you, Alex. All right, so some fear that this hantavirus outbreak on this cruise ship could lead to another worldwide pandemic if not properly contained, similar to what you dealt with. Coronavirus pandemic. Do you believe the world is seeing the early stages of yet another pandemic? Are we here again? No, it's certainly not contagious like Covid. And we have a lot of experience with the virus, so we know actually know how this virus works and how it affects people. I think one thing that we want to do, and we're not really talking about it, is decrease the anxiety of all the passengers on that ship. And the way to do it is to do a PCR test that tests that RNA from that virus in your bloodstream that is much earlier than symptoms, much earlier than the classic immune responses that have been measured. So we want to reassure those passengers, and I think that's the quickest way to just ask them to get that blood test weekly through those three days and really decrease the anxiety that they have, both the ones that are coming off the ship tomorrow and the ones that left a ship early that are distributed around the world. Blood test. What happened to the schwab up your nose? What is this? Blood test, pcr. We just stuck a thing up your nose and swirled it around like. Oh, you got Covid. Oh, I'm sorry, but she's not stopping. Oh, no, she's. She's ready for bear.
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What is she even on?
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Why? Because this is what the media does. Yeah, it's interesting because this is ringing a bell to what we reported not all that long ago with Gene Hackman and his wife. If I'm not mistaken, this is the. Yes, yes, she says. Yes, yes, yes. She died from it long ago with Gene Hackman and his wife. If I'm not mistaken, this is the exact same virus. Yes, yes, she died. Yes, that they. She wasn't on the ship and she died. Yes, yes. Died from. So was that just a coincidence that we're just hearing more about this? Is there any evidence to suggest that maybe this particular violent virus is proliferating across our.
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Oh, that's it.
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Well, this is very important.
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Stop the presses. Who is this guy?
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He's News Nation. News Nation.
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Oh, brother, he's good.
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You raised. Oh, wait, we got another laugh tale, Stan. But by. Well, this is a very important concept you raise because someone died. Particular violent virus is proliferating across our. Our world, our country. Yes, yes. Well, this is a very important concept you raise. So there's a question about whether warmer or colder changes in the weather are increasing the amount of mice that come inside to cabins and. Mice. What happened to rat? I'm so confused.
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Is it.
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Is it rats or mice? And now she says mice.
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It's actually both, but, you know.
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Yeah, well, it makes a difference. I got mice in my house. I don't have rats. I got mice.
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You got mice?
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Yeah.
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Get rid of them.
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Well, we had mice. I, I'm a, I'm an expert trapper. I love the old school traps. I put a nice little bit of merlot infused cheese on that thing and you can hear it, you know, you're seeing.
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They also like chocolate.
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Chocolate? Oh really?
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Yeah, mice love chocolate.
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Oh, I, I'm, I always use cheese
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and it stinks more so they can smell it farther away. Although if you have a stinky cheese, they're probably attracted to that and you
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know, and I, and I love you. I use glue traps mostly now there's, I find those to be.
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Now I'll tell you why. Let me tell you.
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It's cruel.
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You got the mouse, he's stuck on the glue trap, he starts to make noises. You take another glue trap and push it on top of the mouse and you push down and listen to the moan. It's cool, it's quite, quite remarkable.
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Did you used to stick firecrackers into frogs butts as a kid? I mean. No, of course not.
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It's like one of those, I don't
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like one of those.
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I love dogs and cats.
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I love, I love when you're sitting, watching TV and you hear the Krishnap and then you know, you got the
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thing in the family room. What kind of mice problem do you have?
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No, we have it in the laundry room because there's, there's holes in the laundry room room. You know, they find ways to get it but you know he's dead right away. It's not like he's not like squirming and you have to put another glue. You're, you're a sadist, you're a horrible man. Increasing the amount of mice that come inside to cabins and to households and you, then you get exposed by cleaning that up. We've always had hantavirus in the United States. Not the same strain as Andy's and the Andes virus, that's in Chile and Argentina, but very similar. And so we've always had the problem from mice. I think this is the first time beyond the reports from Argentina and Chile of really a human to human outbreak. And it does give us the chance to study whether there has been what you described, molecular changes in the virus that makes it more contagious. And they'll be doing all of that. They're sequencing all of these strains.
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Gain of function.
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Listen, the sequencing, all these, she is working it changes in the virus that makes it more contagious and they'll be doing all of that. That they're sequencing all of these strains. Yeah, they're doing that at. For Dietrich right now. We're sequencing all these strains. We got to get Trump out of the White House. Let's do another pandemic. Let's do whatever we can. People chance to study whether there has been what you describe molecular changes in the virus that makes it more contagious. And they'll be doing all of that. They're sequencing all of this.
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They'll be doing it at four detritrics.
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Yes.
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For sure.
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That's exactly what she's saying. And the world is really working together. And that's the other. No, we're not important thing. The world has worked together. But we are the world. We're working together. Go back to the World Health Organization sequencing all of these strains and the world is really working together. And that's the other important thing. The world has worked together both to protect those individuals on the ship and the communities as they disembark. The world is not working together to protect the people on the ship. But hey something very important is going down here. This is the Andes. Andes. Variant of the hantavirus. Andes. It's different. So the Andes strain is the only strain where we have mapped human to human transmission. And I caution people because when we say human to human transmission we're talking about people who develop symptoms. But because we're not testing. Another laugh. Because we're not testing. We're talking about people who develop symptoms. But because we're not testing populations with RNAs, we don't really know whether there are subclinical cases. So there could be more human to human transmission than we actually see. It's never good to track viruses through symptoms. We should be tracking viruses through blood tests like pcr. We learned the hooked extraordinarily helpful. Many universities were able to open and schools were able to open open because they provided weekly testing and it really prevented spread. So we know how to deal with these.
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They didn't open anything.
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I did weekly testing and it really prevented spread. So we know how to deal with these viruses. We just need to move into the 21st century and make testing more widely available to those who need it. Is she. Is she at a new testing company? Is that where she's working now? But ABC is in on this stuff. Man. I'm telling you. They're. They're, they're spinning it up. They're trying to see if they can catch a wave because was a great way to Screw Trump. They love that. If they can do it. If they can. If they can spin it up. They get enough people. I'm seeing masks. I traveled, I saw a lot of masks. Democrats, but they were all masks. You always say you vote for Kamala. Yeah, yeah. It's happening. They can do this if they push hard enough. The China thing is a sad distraction and they gotta blame. They gotta do something. Health experts across four continents are still tracking down and monitoring passengers who disembarked from a cruise ship that was hit by the hantavirus outbreak. Many of those passengers left before the outbreak turned deadly. The last remaining travelers are now off that ship. And they boarded flights to more than 20 countries where they're going to be entering quarantine. ABC's Danny New is in New York with the latest today with us passengers from that luxury cruise ship now in quarantine. Growing concern around questions being raised at the Andy's variation of the hantavirus may spread more easily than previously thought. Oh, no. In conversations that several colleagues had with the doctor on the ship who said that at least 3 of the people who got infected did not have close contact and they may have had just casual contact sitting next to somebody for half an hour at a meal. They're trying. They are seriously trying. I doubt it's going to work, but I think there's a. There are some meetings going on, like, yeah, we can, we can do something with this. Let's give it a shot. Let's throw it against the wall, see what sticks. Maybe we get lucky. Maybe we get lucky, huh?
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I mean, yeah, maybe.
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They are so desperate to get rid of Trump.
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Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right.
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Hey, and what is this with Marty McCary?
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I don't know anything about.
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Marty McCary is the FDA commissioner. He resigned. Resigned. And there was. Yeah, but, but what he resigned over is what's confusing me. Dr. Marty Makary resigned as commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday. The decision came after he authorized flavored vapes. What? A product that he was skeptical about following pressure from the White House. What Politico described Makary's 13 month tenure at the agency as one marked by mass layoffs, high turnover among senior officials and policy fights. Among his critics were Republicans who wanted the FDA to restrict access to the abortion pill mifepristone. Pharmaceutical companies also complained the FDA was inconsistent in their review of drugs. Under his leadership, Kyle Diamantis, the FDA Commissioner for food, will replace Makary on an acting basis. So every report has this flavored vapes bit. How can that be such a huge issue? You know, it was.
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I don't get it either.
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Here's Trump. Did you ask Marty McCary to resign, sir, or did you fire your FBI? Well, I don't want to say, but
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Marty's a great guy.
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He's a friend of mine.
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He's a wonderful man.
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And he's going to be off and
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the assistant, the deputy is taking over
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temporarily until we find everybody wants that job.
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It's a very important job. Marty's a terrific guy, but he's going to go on and he's going to
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lead a good life. But he's going to go on. He's going to lead a good life.
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Like a horse.
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Exactly. He's not going to the glue factory. He's going to, he broke his leg racing, but he's okay. We're not going to kill him. He'll go on to live a good life.
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Marty's a terrific guy, but he's going to go on and he's going to
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lead a good life.
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He was having some difficulty. You know, he's a great doctor and he was having some difficulty, but he's going to go on and he's going to do well.
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He's going to do well on the farm. But everybody, everybody had this flavored vape.
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Stud him out.
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Here's npr. The commissioner of the Food and Drug administration has resigned. Dr. Marty Makary told President Trump he was leaving Tuesday after 13 tumultuous months on the job. In a few minutes, we'll hear from ahead of the FDA in Trump's first term about Makary's tenure. First, the details. NPR pharmaceuticals correspondent Sidney Lufkin is here to talk about the change. Good morning, Sidney. Good morning. Good morning. Is this happening?
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Morning?
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Well, I'm told the final straw for McCary was White House pressure to okay flavored vapes, something he did not agree with. I don't understand how can, if maybe
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it's
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something is up with the vapes and I'm, and I'm out of the loop on this and flavored and it has to do with vapes. And, and that can only mean that the tobacco industry is mad or someone is really mad about this.
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Well, there's also the, the coincidence of like through, you know, some millions and millions of bad vapes that came in from China that were busted.
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Yeah.
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I wonder if there's any connection there. I mean, seems unusual coincidence.
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The White House apparently was pushing the flavored vapes, which.
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But were they?
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Well, good Point.
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I never heard anything.
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Good point, good point. We don't know. Now I personally think, I don't like these pre made Chinese vapes. I think there is a place for vaping instead of smoking if you're a smoker to stop smoking. I think there's a real place for that. The flavored vapes. Yeah, you know I don't think any of the flavored stuff is good but the report after report. So I, I don't know. We actually have a, we have one of our producers, a lobbyist and maybe she can write in and let me know what, maybe she has some insight into the deal because I think she did something on vapes too. But then I got this pharma analyst from Bloomberg a couple of, it's short but a couple of interesting things he said here. So there's been a lot of flux and when you get flux and they fired, I don't know, 3,000, 3,500 individuals maybe I don't have the exact number, but something in that sort of region, you know, that's, this is a lot of old time knowledge that's left the agency some refresh is pretty good. But that all of this has happened under the caretakership of Marty McCary and to all intents and purposes the folks I talk to say that he's a perfectly knowledgeable, wonderful man. I have friends on the buy side who say to me that he's been very good to them. Well, what does that mean? I have friends on the buy side who say he has been very good to them. Them. To me it sounds like this guy was still deep into big pharma or something. When an analyst, when an analyst says I have friends on the buy side,
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how come nobody's talking to Kennedy? That's the question I have right now. I'm a journalist looking at this, my first thing I talked to is Kennedy. Kennedy's his boss.
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No, we don't have anything from Kennedy. Let me finish this. To all intents and purposes, the folks I talk to say that he's a perfectly knowledgeable, wonderful man. I have friends on this, on the buy side who say to me that he's been very good to them. And then on the other hand all these issues and some biotechs having issues, some biotechs having issues and there we go. And then on the other hand we hear all these issues and some biotechs having issues, etc. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's something happening here. So it's clear that I think Makary was still way deep into big Pharma somehow. I'm not sure exactly why, but we don't know. I do have a clip from RFK Jr about trans, which I think he's setting some policy here. Did you see this?
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Nope.
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This was pretty good. Doctors assume a solemn obligation to protect children. Yet doctors across the country now provide needless and irreversible sex rejecting procedures that violate their sacred Hippocratic oath by endangering the very lives that they are sworn to safeguard. The American Medical association, the American Academy of Pediatrics peddled the lie that chemical and surgical sex rejecting procedures could be good for children who suffer from gender dysphoria. But she. The estimated 300,000American youth ages 13 to 17. 300,000, John. 300,000 children they mutilated with this nonsense. Have you noticed the lack of the Democrat party talking about trans lately? They're not using that as their campaign slogan anymore, are they?
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No, but they still have trouble with people that reject it.
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Yeah. Due to dysphoria, they betrayed the estimated 300,000Americans can use ages 13 to 17 conditioned to believe that sex can be changed. They betrayed their Hippocratic oath to do no harm. So called gender affirming care has inflicted lasting physical and psychological damage on vulnerable young people. This is not medicine. It is malpractice. We're done with junk science driven by ideological persistence suits, not the well being of children. A peer reviewed report published by the HHS office of the Assistant Secretary for Health last month confirms that sex rejecting procedures imposed medical dangers and lasting harm on children who receive these interventions. So today we are taking six decisive actions guided by gold standard science and the week one executive order from President Trump to protect children from chemical and surgical mutilation. This morning I signed a declaration. Sex rejecting procedures are neither safe nor effective treatment for children with gender dysphoria. Let's see some doctors at a tribunal.
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That's what. Yes, absolutely.
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That's what we want.
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The lawsuits have help.
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Yeah, but we really, we need some people going to jail over this. This was Mengala level crap. It was really horrible. And, and for whatever reason, you just see, you know, video after video of these poor children who are now detransitioning and can't.
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B
I know, it's terrible.
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A
Especially the lie that. Well, you can stop anytime you want with these, with these puberty blockers.
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B
It's.
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No, not a problem. Big lie. Well, maybe.
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Well, that's depressing.
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Well, then let's do, let's do. How about your tech?
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Well, I Got a couple of things. We don't have much time left, but I got a couple offbeat items.
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You don't want to do your year using AI. Is that no good?
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B
No, that's no good.
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By definition, that's no good.
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All right, but what's kind of interesting is the NPR's OpenAI Sam Altman stuff.
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Oh, yeah, because it's.
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It really makes you wonder what the hell's going on. Just try the NPR clips.
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Let me see, number one, what's Sam Altman's main defense on Tuesday in court? Well, this case really has come down to the idea of, frankly, which billionaire you believe is. Is doing this the right way. You know, on the one hand, we have Elon Musk, who is no longer a part of OpenAI AI, but says he only wanted to build AI responsibly and was tricked into leaving the entity with Sam Altman at the helm. Altman essentially says, look, you left the company in 2018 and said that you were done with it. You never. And you haven't contested that in the few years since you left. And now you, you're suing later on because you're building a for profit competitor to us called xai, which is also developing artificial intelligence. Now, an example came up in court of Musk suggesting a deal that would turn OpenAI into a for profit. That's right. One of the things that the OpenAI side is saying is like, look, there are plenty of emails in the past, past that has Elon Musk essentially speaking out of both sides of his mouth and saying, we could have done an earlier deal to make this into a company with equity structures that has Elon Musk in control over it and potentially profiting from it. And the idea being that, you know, Elon wants to say he's been doing this sort of selfless building of AI for years now, but actually he has been interested in taking a stake of his own, just even as he's saying he hasn't been. Yeah, well, that we know what the basic lawsuit's about, but we don't really get any good details.
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No. And the funny thing is, I'm kind of undecided. As much as I don't like Altman, I do like Musk.
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Yeah.
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But I don't think he got tricked. Musk doesn't get tricked. He invested for a bunch of money early on, and it looked like it was going nowhere, so he kind of bailed out. And now he looks back on it and says, hey, Jay, wait a minute. And he decides to do this, I'm not believing any of the Musk side of this.
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How has Musk characterized Altman's trustworthiness and how did Altman respond? So Sam Altman's testimony was actually pretty brutal. When Elon Musk lawyers went after him, basically it became an attack on Sam Altman's character. And the idea that Sam Altman, this guy who 10 years ago in private was saying he wanted to build AI safely with Elon Musk, can no longer basically be trusted to do so. And Elon Musk's attorneys trotted out like a laundry list of things that said essentially everyone in Sam Altman's life felt that he could not be trusted, from the CTO of the company Miram Marati to the idea of self dealing and investing in companies that OpenAI would later purchase or make deals with, or to even being potentially kicked out of other companies that he founded in the past. It was really just a big referendum on is Sam Altman a trustworthy person? And it was pretty, pretty devastating. How did Altman respond to Musk's characteristics of him in court? Altman basically said, look, the picture that you're painting of me is not something that I'm familiar with. I know that people tend to have a lot of problems with me. And I feel in Holland they say, ich Herr Ken meself nied in des aut sprache. Which translates to I don't recognize myself in what you're saying. Yeah, that's a cool word.
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That's a good phrase.
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Yeah. Hurt by their misunderstandings, but I feel like that's an unfair characterization. And instead of getting combative, like say, Elon Musk did on the stand, Altman was trying to, I would say, strike a humble tone while also painting it as a misunderstanding. It just hit me. I think I know what's going on here, and it's not about the money per se. I'm pretty sure that Elon's AI dream, because that's all he ever posts about, is having a chat box that can also do great images and video. He's always posted, oh, wait until you see what cool videos the new xai.
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Yeah, he does.
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He's always. It's never about, hey, look at all the code it built. You know, this place is running on grok. No, it's never about that. And personally, I don't think Grok is very good at code.
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I'm thinking not. I'm sorry, probably not.
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No, it's not. Sam. Claude. Code is, is, is the thing. Thing. But. And I Don't think he would ever had an enterprise play, as we say in Silicon Valley. He had no enterprise play. He was always about integrating that into X is everything app. X is going to be your buddy. Grok is going to be your buddy. It's going to be talking to you, it's going to be doing cool things. It's going to help you post. And he probably shared that idea with Sam Altman pretty early on. And Altman, without telling the board, from everything we've heard heard, just released ChatGPT. And that's what pissed off Elon Musk because for sure Grok isn't, does not have the same Chatbot cachet as chatgpt. I think that's where it went amiss. And so now and, and, and that, I think that that hurts the Grok Chatbot vision that, that Elon Musk had. And so now he's like, okay, I'm going to screw your ip ipo. I'm gonna screw you so bad with this ipo. You'll wish those three letters didn't exist in the Alphabet. That's what.
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It's a possibility. That's the CBS has a report on this called the lawsuit Open AI. It's price. It's probably less detailed, but let's play it.
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Okay. Turning now to new lawsuit against Chat GPT, a family says the artificial intelligence chatbot gave advice to their teenage son.
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Oh, no, this is different. I'm sorry. This is about the law lawsuit. This, by the way, is the end. I think that this is more important and this is a subtext that's going on. I don't know how these guys. Again, I bring it back to liability. Yeah, there's liability issues with these products. It's got to come to the fore at some point. You don't sign your light. You know your life away when you, when you start using this stuff anyway. Play the clip.
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Well, you do. When you, when you virtually sign the EULA by clicking the button, these eulas
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again, this has got to be squashed.
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Is this another My kid killed himself. ChatGPT.
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Yeah, my kid killed himself.
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Turning now to a new lawsuit against Chat GPT, a family says the artificial intelligence chatbot gave advice to their teenage son that led to a fatal overdose. Sam Nelson's family says he used the chatbot for everything from his homework to questions about pop culture. The lawsuit claims he followed dangerous tips which caused his deadly drug overdose. In a CBS News exclusive, Jolene Kent spoke with Nelson's family. Sam's mom and stepdad, Angus knew He'd been struggling with alcohol and experimenting with drugs and took him to get help. They said on the night of his death, it was ChatGPT version 4o that's now no longer available. Available. That recommended specific dosages, including a fatal combination.
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He wanted to do it safely and
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he would ask it questions about what he could take that night. It advised him that it was okay to take Kratom with Xanax and Sam had done that. Who do you hold responsible for Sam's death?
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Kratom,
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Open AI and the creators. The people who create bypassed safety guards and took away safety nets. That's why Sam's mom and stepdad are suing Open AI and CEO Sam Altman in California state court. They allege that OpenAI designed and rushed to market a defective product. And but for those deliberate choices, Sam would still be alive today. Yeah, that's probably true. I mean, yeah, but I don't see why the parents don't get arrested. I mean, they let, they let their child use Chat GPT. Every other parent gets arrested for having a gun in the house or.
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Yeah, I think you're absolutely correct. I'm on board with that.
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Letting the kid use a fat bike, you know, hey, but no, we're going after Sam Altman. Okay? But as far as we knew, ChatGPT was a resource. It was a tool that he was using to help himself do homework. What we didn't understand was that it had become his friend. It was helping him fine tune his experiments. Sam's parents showed us his 18 month long chat GPT history, including the final pieces of advice version 4o gave him on the morning of his death. Oh, four. Oh, everyone hated four. Oh, yeah. No wonder. Dispensing advice that any doctor could tell you could be lethal and it Kratom. Wait a minute. They're saying the kid died of an overdose of Kratom.
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Kratom, no.
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Plus something else tell you could be lethal and it didn't.
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Some combination.
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In a statement, a spokesperson for Open AI called Sam's death a heartbreaking situation and said in part, these interactions took place on an earlier version of Chat GPT that is no longer available. Chat GPT is not a substitute for medical or mental health care. And we have continued to strengthen how. How it responds in sensitive and acute situations. It was Kratom and Xanax. Even so, Kratom and Zan. Must have been a lot of. Xanax has launched a new health feature. Does that worry you? That's absolutely terrifying. Since Sam Nelson's death Nearly a year ago, Open AI says it's added new safeguards, including a trusted kayak feature for adults, allowing users to designate a contact in case their conversations are flagged for self harm concerns. But Sam's mom emphasized her son was smart. He's close to his friends, he was aware of how chat GPT worked. But as with all AI, the tech is just constantly changing just so fast. The tech is changing constantly, so fast. Well, the. I have to play these two clips from Brett Weinstein. Brett and Heather. Yeah. Just because there's so much fun to listen to because Brett is so mad. So mad. Claude.
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Claude is hopping mad.
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He's hopping mad. All I'm really saying is this has that stench to it. And you should expect to see this play out with single stranded RNA viruses. Anybody who mentions Ivermectin is crazy. Sooner or later they'll get total control over the AIs and AI will refuse to talk about this.
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Over.
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Oh, I should point out. Oh, here we go. Because he's, you know, the AIs are taking over. The AIs are going to be controlled. As I continued to investigate things surrounding basic virology, evolution of viruses, things that have no. There's no meaningful safety concern in the world. I'm an evolutionary biologist asking about trade offs in the evolution of viruses between things like transmissibility and virulence. That's a perfectly fair academic question. And Claude is shutting me down because I've tripped a safety wire. This is insane. Insane. Here we go. So can you read that question? What is known about the trade offs, Trade off between transmissibility and virulence and viruses. Just exactly as you said. And you get the same. The same safety filters flagged, the same safety warning.
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Why did they always.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute. So she reads the question. Question. And it got safety flagged. Let me hear D wire. This is insane. Here we go. So can you read that question? Okay, I'm going to let her read that question into the Book of Knowledge, which is based on Claude. And let's see if we get the safety filters. Okay, stand by. You have to be quiet. It can only be Heather. Here we go. What is known about the trade off between transmissibility and virulence in viruses? Just exactly as you said. Oh, according to the Book of Knowledge, the virulence transmission trade off hypothesis has been a foundational cornerstone since Anderson and May's 1982 work. Stating that virulence is an unavoidable consequence of parasite transmission. Doesn't sound like I Got blocked transmission clearance trade offs in viruses like dengue where interactions with host immune responses account for observed trade offs and parasite fitness is maximized at inter. So we didn't get blocked. And you get the same, the same safety filters flagged the same safety filters. I have also. I have also had the safety triggers warning in Claude of late. Yeah, well, only in scientific topics. Oh yeah. And not in, you know, he was out of tokens. That was the problem. Other questions that I'm asking about. Right. It's the first time I've seen it too. And I've now seen it on a number of different topics where, you know, I get it that you're like 17 steps ahead of some discussion you don't want to hear, but it's not your right. You know, you can't, you're. You're blocking the process of inquiry, which is exactly what you're damned to is built to do. I love how he gets so mad about the AI. Not like refusing him. And then he says that this is.
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You can listen to this podcast.
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Oh, it's great. Listen, listen to this bit because now he's saying that these safety filters got put in because of him. It's his, his tweets. Now I do want to point to one mechanism through which this might happen, but I mean, you're not surprised. I'm livid that there's propaganda filters built into the AI. That's not surprising. Well, here's the problem. The AIs are going to be thoroughly gamed. People are going to write so as to persuade the AIs of things. They're going to write vast tracts that are going to get ingested and then you're not going to know why the AI thinks what it does. Yes. Everybody please make sure the AI knows that the no Agenda show is the best podcast in the universe. We need to game the AI. We should absolutely expect that that's different than the people who built the tool wiring it so that it can't talk about scientific topics because frankly, because there are criminals trying to use public health as an excuse to inject us with shit. That is not okay. And we in the public have a right not to be exposed.
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Criminals are trying to inject us.
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The government. Government. I will say I walked away from chat GPT and signed up for Claude at the point that the stuff went down over anthropic drawing a line with the Department of War and refusing to do immoral things. Right. And folks at OpenAI got the deal and. Okay, well, you're right. Who can listen to this podcast. You're right.
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It's terrible.
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Terrible. But it's. It's just funny. I just think it's funny.
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Like, I don't understand how you can feel that way. But I have a new segment I want to do because I'm going to replace the Kiriaku idea.
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Oh.
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With a this did not happen segment.
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This did not happen. Okay, now we start off with the first thing we need. A jingle. We need a jingle for this. Yeah.
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This is not happening. This is. This, the first episode is a tribute to Newsom, and I guarantee this did not happen.
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This is a chill. This is chilling. This is serious. I walked into a restaurant the other day, entire staff came out, started hugging me, crying. The hell is that? The United States of America. What he's doing to our diverse communities, what he's doing to the fabric of our society, it's only. Why don't you just call it the newsome segment? Because this did not happen is only going to be the newsome segment. Please. Hey. With that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the circumstance, preceded by the pump. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora.
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Well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. Also in the morning, I'll you show ships and sea, boots in the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and the name is nice out
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there in the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me count you for a second. There we go. Interesting. 1444. 1444. 1444 trolls listening live to the best podcast in the universe. Make sure that you game those AIs people. Make sure everybody knows that we are the best podcast in the universe. Except no substitute, by the way. Right off the bat, upon return to our abode in Fredericksburg, there was a beautiful red mailing envelope awaiting my return. I mean, not just red. This was like, is it cherry red? Really red? And in it, this is just a big kudos to Joe. Then in it was my order of the heart red knight pin, which. The packaging on this is phenomenal. This is where you say, oh, you're muted. That's why you're not saying anything, because.
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Oh, I'm sorry. She. She does good work. And there was that. That color is like a chrome chair. Candy apple. Red.
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Red, yeah. But not.
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I know. I don't know where she got those envelopes.
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And it has a beautiful certificate, of course, signed by yours truly on our Signature parchment paper, which even has its own little red heart button thing on it. Oh, is that a. Is that sealing wax? It is. It is, is. It is.
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That's what it looks like.
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Oh, well, it feels like I can indent it with my nail.
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So, yeah, it's some sort. I don't know where she got those. Those were actually produced commercially.
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Yes. And then the pin is a beautiful pin, the no Agenda Red Knight Order of the Heart pin. And you flip it over and you're expecting to see Made in China. No, it says Red Knight Order of the Heart. Beautiful. And it comes with a little velveteen pouch. This is a very, very, very beautiful thing that she's made here. And we only have a couple left because it was only the first 50, right? Yeah, I think so. Back to our trolls who are listening live. Hopefully you're listening on a modern podcast app. I can't say it enough. You want to use one of Those, go to podcastapps.com because not only will you get your favorite podcasts, all your favorite podcasts that use pod ping technology, including this show, which has a lot of of them, hundreds of thousands of podcasts use this now, but only with these modern podcast apps, not with a legacy thing, not with Spotify, not with Apple, not with Amazon, nothing else. Within 90 seconds of publishing, you will have the podcast in your app. And when we go live, we fire off the bat signal. You'll know immediately that we're live, and you can go into the very same podcast app where you listen on demand, as it were, and listen live. It's amazing. Podcast apps, dot com, time, talent and treasure is the theme that we have been running with for 18 years. We do not have advertisements. We don't sell your names. In fact, we have a hard time tracking your names because everybody uses different names, different ways of supporting us. We do our best. And, man, there was an article about cars. Let me see. Where is this? This was crazy. Cars are here. BBC Future. Let me see. Cars are. Yeah. From your weight and facial expressions to your destination. Cars collect a startling amount of data about you from your weight. Did you pick your nose? Yes.
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Big fat guy.
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But this is crazy. The amount of stuff that cars are tracking. Tracking. And they're selling that data. They're selling it.
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Yeah. It's getting worse. They're going to start, you know, they're going to disable the car if you don't look. Right.
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Yeah, well, they already do that. I know, I know. Some of the modern cars, like, pay attention. Stop slouching. Who wants that. Nobody wants that.
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No, nobody wants it, but they're going to be stuck with it. This way, you. In my opinion, you find a good classic car that you like. Like my. You know, I have a lexus that's a 2005.
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Yeah.
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It's got none of those features.
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And the bulbs are still good. You don't.
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And the bulbs are still good. Holy moly.
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Yeah. If you're panicking, the car will be disabled. That's right. So instead, we decided it would be a lot more fun, a lot more honest, and we could be more honest with you. We could be completely honest by just telling you exactly what we think, because we are beholden to no one except to each other, and we generally get along pretty well. So we call it value for value. Whatever value you get out of this podcast, we just ask you to send it back in one of the following three ways. Time, talent, or treasure. We definitely need the treasure because that's how we pay the bills. But the time and the talent is also noteworthy. And one of the ways that people do that is through creating artwork for us, for. For our album art. And let me take a look here at episode 1867 titled Transmission Window. Ah, yes, this was. This was our Mother's Day episode. We always have something traditional for Mother's Day. This was somewhat non traditional, brought to you by Blue Acorn. It was a mama mice mouse, a mama rat surrounded by lots of other little baby rats. She had a I love Hanta pin on, and all the kids were playing with what looked like Covid molecules. This was kind of sick, actually.
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Actually, yeah, it was nice you mention it, but it's just pretty, though. It's good. Well done.
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It was pretty. And there were. There were a lot of Mother's Day art pieces that were submitted. We looked at a lot of them. Let me just scroll down here. See, I mean, there were some very traditional ones. Oh, comic strip blogger with a butt, of course. No, Darren did some real traditional ones. I mean, there were a lot. Why did we choose this one? I think it's. Here's how it happened.
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Because it was the prettiest piece.
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I went to the bathroom and you said, I've already chosen what I like.
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No, I didn't do that.
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That's exactly what you did. And I said, which one is it? And you said, that one. Okay, that's good. It was 11:30 at night for me, so I think I gave in.
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Yeah, you were easily swayed.
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I think I gave in easily, but thank you very much. Blue Acorn. We very much appreciate what you have done here, along with all of the other prompters who create. Who create artwork for the best podcast in the universe. Highly appreciate it. Thank you very much, everybody. Now to the treasure portion, which is great because you can always support the show whenever you want for any reason whatsoever and at any amount. This, you know, we don't set you at certain levels, don't force you into subscriptions. You can set up a recurring.
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I'm going to stop you. These notes are too long with just general. There's a note. There's two or three notes on this spreadsheet that blow out my spreadsheet. They're so long, there's no excuse for it.
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Yeah, they are a little bit too long. And the way it works is we thank everyone $50 and above, never under $50 for reasons of anonymity, which is good. And if you are an executive or associate executive producer, which means you reach that level by giving us $200 in support. $200 to $299, basically, that is associate executive producer. Now that's. We read your note. We also give you that credit, which is good anywhere that Hollywood Credits are recognized, including IMDb.com $300 or above. Executive producer, same deal with the credit. And we will also read your note. But, yes, I'm looking at the spreadsheet. Some of them are rather long, but, you know, we can always. What is this one? Yeah, but people also have stuff to say, John. They love us. I mean, have you read the notes or just looked at how long they were?
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I'm looking at the notes and they're, they're, they're, they're anecdotal stuff that is off the topic. Not really interesting. I'm not happy with these notes.
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Okay, well, we're going to read them anyway. We may shorten them on the floor.
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I think shortening them is in order, at least with three of them.
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Now, that said, coming in at the top spot. Yeah.
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If you want to draw $3,444 and leave a huge long note. Yes, no problem.
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That can only come from.
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That's different than 200 bucks.
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Wow.
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I'm sorry.
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That made me be a lot for some people, John.
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It is a lot for a lot of people. But. But it's also a lot of note to read.
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Yes, sir. Anonymous of Dogpatch and Lower Slobovia comes in with indeed $3,444 and has a note. And he says thank you to all producers that contribute to the information flow. The barrage of media influencing listeners opinion requires insight and perspectives to deconstruct their effort to influence audiences. Simply, it takes work to identify propaganda and its intent. And we're not sure why, but we're pretty sure he knows that it's true. We all look towards some future point tomorrow, next week, next year to identify a path forward. Media deconstruction separates words and Are you building something from Ikea? What are you doing?
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Yeah, I'm putting together a shelf.
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Media deconstruction. Hold on a second. It really does sound like it. Throughout the show you're banging around, you're doing things like putting together something from Ikea. Media deconstruction construction separates words and opinion from deeds and consequences to help develop a more realistic estimate of the future state. To base one's decisions on this year's international travel has required intensified effort to understand the messaging across political borders and cultures. He's talking about his own travel. Recent months have disrupted the status quo and people, firms and countries are using this opportunity to shift policies they could not do during periods of peace and prosperity. Disparity. Wow, that's a good point. I am not judging good or bad, just shifts to identify likely consequences and opportunities. And then he has in parentheses Caterpillar does reconstruction. After all, it's true, he's a Caterpillar salesman. No agenda's Media deconstruction, aided by producers, separates words from deeds. A valuable, underappreciated and apparently under compensate compensated skill. I encourage others to support media, AKA propaganda, deconstruction and now surrender my time to other producers. No jingles, no karma from Sir Dogpatch of Sir Animus, of Dogpatch and Lower Slobovia. And we are very grateful. Thank you.
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Yes. James Borders. We're also grateful to him. From Cap Cape Girardot Girardo Garad Gherardo in Missouri. $1030.26.
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Wow.
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And he writes fellow bypass survivor. Four vessels in 2018. I need a de douching.
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You've been de douched.
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He's going to be ignited. So he wants Pappy's ribs and a few shiners. Shiner buck, I guess. At the round table, I would like to be known as Sir Boubalot of the Boot Heel.
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Okay.
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See additional donation, which I.
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Does he have an additional donation?
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I don't know. I didn't see it.
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Okay, Jeff, thank you. And we'll see. And the red heart. A red knight as well. Jeffrey H. Cherry Hill Township, New Jersey. 1,030 and 26. That's a thousand plus fees. Thank you longtime douchebag. May I please request a deduching you bandee Douched he says also some new business prayers and a Rev Al Sharpton mix would be great. I'm actually going to play a classic teleprompter for you. I'm a newly saved Christian and my wife and I have started an ecom fulfillment business in South Jersey. I connected with Manuka Gold I connected with Manuka Gold after hearing you mention your mention of them on the show and thought I would offer my services to any listener that is trying to to sell their products through e commerce channels. Please visit cornerstonknf.com for any fulfillment needs. I would like to be called Sir Sifu El Padrino. I think it's Sifu or Sifu. Sifu. Sir Sifu El Padrino Knight of E Commerce Fulfillment. Thank you both for your courage and continued good health to you both. God Bless. He says and I guess he wants instead of karma he wants the prayer instead of karma which we have tonight is the measure of whether the country begins in the state of Wisconsin, a national drive to push back or whether we have more to go to build a movement of resistance. But resist we much we must and we will much about that. Be committed. You've got prayers. There you go.
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This one here is easy to cut down. It's a long note from Christy Kamenitsky in Covington, Georgia. $500 ITM John and Adam dedicated twice a week since the crazy days of COVID First time donor to the show. Please de douche me. You've been de doubled douched. I will shorten this part here. She talks about how great you are because you answered her letter and showed her where to go during in the Hill country because she was making a visit. Oh she also wanted to say how happy she was that I'm on the road to recover. Her dad had quadruple bypass surgery in December so I know firsthand what a brutal experience the whole thing is. It's great having two peas back in the pod. Although I thoroughly enjoyed my Mimi filling in during John's absence. Thank you both for all you do to help keep us sane and grounded in an increasingly insane world. Cheers Christy.
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Thank you Christy very much. Sarcastic Glenmore, PA 333.33 and he says Archduke Kevin Dills made me realize what a slacker I am. This donation makes me a baron. Since my 15 month home construction has completed. Please give me Barandum of Chester County, Pa. If the Peerage committee approved approves Hereby approved. John will appreciate the new location, Chester County. Any reason why you'd appreciate that?
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No jingles, no karma. Well, maybe because I had my chest operated on.
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It's a stretch, but, yeah, anything's possible.
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It is a stretch. You have to read the next one because it completely takes out my spreadsheet.
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David McInnes, Bernie Texas. Hey, Bernie. Home of the New New Housewives of Texas or the Secret Lives of Texas Wives is going to be in Bernie, which is 30 minutes down the road. Perfect.
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Oh, you should get involved.
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I don't think so. Gents, it's Dave McInnes of Bernie Texas. No jingles, no karma. This brings me one payment closer to knighthood. I would happily do PR for the best podcast in the universe. In fact, I ran about six press releases around episode 1700. Oh, this is our guy.
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Yeah, it's our guy.
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The PR web guy.
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I ran a is. He's a good PR guy because he's wordy.
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I ran about six press releases around episode 1700. Then I decided I should probably collaborate with someone on them and, well, I dropped the ball. Happy to pick that back up again. Yes, please do. And for the rest of you, with my news marketing book releases on Amazon, the free download will probably go away. So go grab your copy now@newsmarketingbook.com ITM inside the download instructions, you'll find a little trick almost as sweet as Manuka honey. A courtesy code that lets you test the principles I outline in the book for free. That's a $129 savings that you can send our boys. There you go. Oh, and along the way, that's a new marketing donation 129. And along the way, you'll also learn the name of my new service. For now, just grab your copy. A number of you already have. That's newsmarketingbook.com ITM Sincerely, David A. McInnes. Thank you, David.
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Baroness Isobel Pearson of. You know, I should be able to get.
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Yes, she's got.
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She's in. France. In. In France 288. She's the Baroness Isabel Pearson of Geres. Because you are both worth it. I miss JC terribly and it's exceptional having him back to celebrate. I'm lunching the first south of France meetup on Friday.
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Launching.
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She said launching there. Yeah, but launching is what it should be. South of France, meet up on Friday 22nd May at Pure Gardere March Siak. So calling all European revelers. It's a train ride. Of course. I live and hope that One day I may welcome you two gentlemen to my wonderful retreat.
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Yes.
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Got a retreat.
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Yeah, yeah, it's in Gares. In Gers.
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Keep up the good work. Baroness Isabelle. Good.
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You know, I look. I might pop up one day. Be careful. Tina and I, we love. We love the. The country. We love.
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We love the French country. Is the place to go now.
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It is. James Borders comes in with 226 and 28 cents from Cape Girardeau. Oh, this is the guy. This is his double donation.
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Ah, there he is.
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There he is, James. Thank you. He's in Missouri. Companion donation for my Red Knight donation today. Since I make most of my money looking at boobs all day. What kind of job is that?
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What kind of job is that?
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So he combined $80.80 for the boob boobs with $60.06 for the small boobs. And $80.06. He says most women aren't symmetric. Plus fees. He wants an F. Cancer. Karma. Well, you got it, my friend. You've got karma. This is the one that you got mad about.
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There's another long note. You got it. I can't read it.
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Vinnie Payne in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. A long row of ducks. 2 ITM. Thank you for your encourage. XYZ PDQ. BSS. Long time listener, long time douchebag. Please deduce me you've been de douched. Yeah. You've had my time and talent for over a decade and now a piece of treasure. You have a bag of ducks. Please reserve the name for me, sir. Vin Payne. It's. Oh, serving pain. I got it. Yes, it's reserved. I'm working on a project calling old dude's name Ben. All autists and anyone one in or dealing with people in customer service. I'm creating a podcast series called Tech in Check in. Working to be a human in a sea of ones and zeros. Our greatest advantage over AI. We focus on fixing both the computer and the customer. Oh, that's actually a pretty good idea. Short episode. It's you got to fix the customer. You're right. Short episodes, around 10 minutes each on a variety of relevant topics. I'll add them to Spotify next month. Don't bother. Right now they are at my web www.checkinchincheckin.com. that's tech with an H and check with a K. Please share with anyone who could benefit. I've actually heard it. It's a fun podcast. I too am working on the value for value model. On that note, you are worth much more than a bag of ducks to me started listening when my daughter was born. She's 16 now. You have definitely helped me stay sane in a crazy world and I am hopeful my podcast can help help others do the same. Thank you for what you do. Sincerely, Vinnie thank you Vinnie. Should I do this one too?
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Since you're yeah, you might as well.
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Dame Rodeo Queen from Oral, South Dakota $210.60 ITM John Adam wanted to thank you for episode 1866 and share testimony of divine intervention. In the episode you guys talked about SSRIs and the negative side effects. A couple of days later I had a family member struggling with extremely bad thoughts. Thankfully they asked for help. I immediately thought of your episode and the discussion about SSRIs. Sure enough they were prescribed them from a primary care physician and no follow up was done to see how my family member was reacting to them. They're in the hospital now getting the professional help they need and praying we can find therapies and tools to help my family member with their mental health and not have to be medicated. Jesus works for good in all ways, even through podcasts. Well, I'm happy to hear this. Thank you.
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Yeah, I'm telling you this. What has happened to the doctoring in this country?
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It's their their providers. They are literally called providers. There's no doctoring. Did you want more of an answer or does that suffice?
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Yes. Yeah, just keep talking.
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Thank you for talking about the tough topics that some might think are too difficult. This is getting so long. But to answer your question, Adam, for my last note, I do barrel race as well as rope. Yeehaw. But when I was Miss Rodeo America, you are an ambassador. But when I was Miss Rodeo America, you are an ambassador for the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association. I did ride a horse at a lot of rodeos and in parades, but I also did a lot of interacting with fans and promoting rodeo. I'm enjoying getting back to competing now and still enjoying everything rodeo. Praying you guys never find an exit strategy. Donate people. We need the best podcast in the universe says Dame Rodeo Queen. And and if you ride any rodeo near us here in Fredericksburg, let us know. Tina and I would love to come and see you ride Barrel Race.
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Well, this is a rodeo queen telling people to donate.
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Yes, and she's correct.
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Carol Goodman in Willow City, Texas. Actually Fredericksburg. Take it back. Since you read my email a couple of shows back, I feel it's time to deduce me you've been de douched. One day I'll Figure out this Dame Baroness Night thing. But for now, I salute you and jcd, thank you for your service as as a late attendee to the no Agenda podcast. I definitely don't want to see it go away. Keep it coming. Thank you. Carol Goodman, Fredericksburg first time donation 21060
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I met Carol at church the other day. She's one. She's one of the few who listen and go to church and actually donates. And we appreciate it.
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Well, that's it. That is unre unusual for that group.
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Yes. Hello group. Sir Mike the Fortunate. He's in Fuque Fuque Varina. I always get correct.
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We know how to say it.
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I think it's Fuque Varina. I thought it was Fuku Fuque.
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I'm quite sure Fukay not Fouquet.
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Don't email $200 Associate Executive Producer and Sir Mike says Dear Abby. What? Like Dear Abby?
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Yeah, Dear Abby.
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I own a. Oh, I've read this email. A very small residential real estate brokerage outside Raleigh, North Carolina. I've completed two Value for Value listings with repeat clients in the past year, and both voluntarily paid me more than I would have charged them outright. Interesting. When I presented this idea, both parties were hesitant and wanted me to give them a set fee. I told them I wanted to earn my fee and leave it to them to decide what what it was worth when their home was sold. It's work with people I know and trust, but offering this to everyone is another beast altogether. I've pitched the idea to friends and family. They'll never tell you over the past few years and nearly everyone tells me I'm a fool. There you go. To have that kind of faith in most people, the opportunity to get royally screwed is huge. But I can't think of a better way to earn my clients trust and prove my worth. Am I just being too naive? Love the show. Well, that's a good question. I mean, so he's had. He's gotten more fees on Value for Value from two people already with repeat clients. What do you think?
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Should he continue to even out?
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I think so. I mean, the Value for Value lifestyle, by the way. It is an international lifestyle. It's. It is. Yeah.
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That's. That's the ticket.
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The Value for Value is an international lifestyle and it can be a bit of a roller coaster and. Yes.
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But it encourages volunteerism. People will help you for free.
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People will help you. People will. Yes, thank you. That's a very good way of looking at it. And sometimes maybe how someone who may not have given you a lot of value monetarily, could help you in other ways. So.
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Yeah. And you can every once in a while run into a pseudonymous.
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Yeah, exactly. And it evens out your year. That's exactly right. So I would love for you to report back, donate, and let us know how it's going.
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And here's Linda Lupatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado. Jobs, karma. Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets result, go To Image Makers Inc.com Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.
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Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Thank you. Crash. Yes, it's Fuquay Varina.
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Yeah, that's what I said.
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No, you were like, fuquay, Fuquay. Fuqu. Fuquay Varina. From now on, it's just somewhere in North Carolina. And we have another $200 associate executive producer on the list, Jeroen Van Heeringen in Foothill Ranch, California. And I pronounce it the Dutch way because he says, I already listened to Adam's legendary Dutch radio show with Jeroen, my namesake in the 80s. You' insights wrapped in genuine entertainment stuck with me for decades. Thank you for that gift. It's the gift that keeps on giving. And that is it for our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1868. Thank you all very much.
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Our formula is this.
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We go out, we hit people in the mouth, And now we continue with the rundown of the rest of Our value supporters. $50 and above. Sir Arthur Gobets, the biggest hugger of kitties in Zaandam, the Netherlands. 123.45. And he needs an extra health karma for three senior kitties. Yes, we'll put that at the end for you. Tyler Neck Tylet. Neck neck neck. Arlington, Washington. $100.09 donation honor of my late mom who watched MTV in the 80s and recognized Adam when I listened to the podcast with her. She listened to Bon Jovi at such high volume that she had hearing loss. Really? Metallica. Yeah. Bon Jovi. Robert Petta, Sacramento, California. $100 and oh, he says interview with Scott Adams was excellent. Uniquely John Cedar of War. I must be listening to back back episodes. And There's Sir Kevin McLaughlin. He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs in Concord, North Carolina, with $80.08, he says God bless America and boobs. Dame Rita Sparks, NV. She's always there, almost every single episode. $68.33. Chad Hewitt, Folsom, CA. 6640. Stephen Shoemake, Xenia, Ohio. 6480. Christopher Dector. 5 6. We see what you did there. Thank you, sir. Patrick Coble. He's at Double nickels on the dime. $55.10. And he says the Toronto meetup was just a party of two. But it was. But it was with a former Russian merchant marine and a former US Marine talking about the world and all things with some great food. Itm to all and get to a meetup. He says. I love that you do those things for politics. Patrick Duke, sir. Dr. Sharkey, St. Peter's Missouri. 55 10. Double nickels on the dime, sir. Chris of Sach Sachs. Sachse. I'm sure it's Sachse, Texas. S a C, H, S E. Saxy. I think 5333. And he wants us to add Sydney to the birthday list. And he turns 14 today. Luke Monnell, Los Angeles, California. 52 72. Joseph A. Jr, Locust Grove, Virginia. $50.01. Requesting a DE douching on his father's beh. You've been de douched, Mr. Joe, a senior, will be turning 38 next week. Has been listening to the show for years without donating. So he has been a douche too long. Thanks for giving him a show to listen to and Godspeed. Thank you. Here are the 50s. Gary Mao, Woodland Hills, California. Where all the tech investors live. 50. Jeremy Silver, Bridgeport, Connecticut.
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He just had his first actually, his Woodside Wood.
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I thought it was Woodland. Oh, you're right. Woodside, Woodland Hills.
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Woodland Hills is in Southern California, I believe.
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It's a ghetto. It's a ghetto. Yeah. That's where our people live. Jeremy Silver in Bridgeport, Connecticut. He says that he had a baby. On Friday. We will add some human resource karma for you. Brandon Savoy. Here's a name I haven't heard in a bit. Port Orchard, Washington. Patricia Worthington. Dame Patricia Worthington. Miami, Florida. Kevin Dills, Huntersville, North Carolina. Sir. Luke Rayner in London. Collective karma. We got a lot of karmas coming up here. Easy landscapes. North Stonington, Connecticut. Philip Ballou in Louisville, Kentucky. Sir. Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park, Alberta. Sir. Alan Bean in Beaverton. Barron Baron. Sir. You remember one guy and you always correct me.
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That's because that guy has been the longest donor of ever.
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Ever of ever. Baron. Sir Alan Bean, Beaverton, Oregon. Thank you. Baron and Ox Otherick in Buffalo, New York, he says, sickened by sycophants. Your humble beast of burden ox Odryx in Buffalo, New York. Thank you all. So what did he ask for? A deduching? Yes, he did. No, he didn't. I'll give him one. Why not?
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You've been de douched.
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Thank you all very much for supporting your no Agenda show. Go to noagendadonations.com that is the easiest way to support us. Noagendadonations.com the groovy thing is it is value for value. So you can give us any amount, whenever you feel like it, whenever it moves you and you say, yeah, you know, I want these guys to continue and here's my way of contributing to it. Noagendadonations.com Any amount, any frequency. If you want to set up a recurring donation, go and do it. Donate to the show. Noagendadonations.com. And we see circumstances. Chris of Saxy wishing Sydney a very happy birthday. Sydney turns 14 today. Happy birthday, Sydney. Eric. Happy birthday to Lauren Paloda. Paloda celebrating tomorrow. And Joseph Adriani Jr. Wishes his dad Joe, a senior, a very happy birthday. He turns 38. How young are you, Joseph? Happy birthday to all of these people from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Here we go. Yes, we do have that title change, sarcastic. As we heard, he is now a baron and requested the peerage of Chester County, Pennsylvania. So absolutely we give that to you, Sarcastic baron of Chester County, Pennsylvania. Thank you very much and welcome to this next level of the peerage ladder, my friend. And now it is time for the Order of the Heart. Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose, right from the start. In the morning, brave and smart, the Order of the Heart. I really sincerely hope that we we can find an address somewhere, some Dropbox. To send Sir Anonymous of Dogpatch in Lower Slovia, his Red Knight Order of the Heart pin. He definitely deserves it. Along with him, Order of the Heart recipients, Geoffrey Hirsch. Sir Sifu El Padrino, about to be a sir. And James Borders, who was about to become Sir Bubalot of the Boot Heel Congress. Congratulations to you brand new Knights. Red Knights Order of the Heart. Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose, right from the stars in the morning. Brave and smart. The Order of the Heart. And here's that karma that I promised everybody. You've got Karma? Yes. Digital Digital 2112 Man, Woodland Hills indeed is the capital of adult entertainment. That's why I recognize it. Yeah, that's where our people are from for sure. Hey, we got a Couple of nights. So I will bring the blade out here. Do you have a blade?
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There you go.
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There's his blade. Jeffrey Hirsch and James Borders. Gentlemen, step right up. Thanks to your Red Knight donations, you get to join that exclusive group of no agenda knights and dames. And I hereby pronounce the Kate the as Sir Sifu El Padrino and Sir Boobalot of the Boot Hill. For you we've got hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay. Wait, we had some special. What did he have? I got it here. We had the. What did we? I asked. Pappy's ribs and a few shots Diners. That's what I was looking for. Along with that, we got vodka, Manila bungeads and bourbon. Sparkling side on escorts, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and Pablo men as always, the mutton and the meat at the round table. And gentlemen, please head over to noagenderings.com. that is where. What are you. Are you. Are you now woodworking? What are you doing, man? Just tell us.
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Well, the mic was misplaced and so I. What I do is when I have the clip list.
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Yes.
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And I X out the ones we played.
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Yes.
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And the mic was right on top of where the pen was going.
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You exit out. Oh, yes. Okay. Yes. You can get a marker. Okay. Get a Sharpie. It's better. Go to noagendarings.com. that is where you will see the beautiful no Agenda night and dame rings. They are signet rings. So we always supply you with a amplified ample quantity of sealing wax that little sticks. You can use that just like the old days to seal your important correspondence. And as always, it comes with a certificate of authenticity. And welcome once again to the no Agenda round table. Ah, we got some good meetups taking place this month. But first we have a report. This is the Albuquerque meetup. Sir Daniel Jeff Tohig hosted that one in the morning. This is Jeff from Albuquerque, the land of the Mars rover. And I'm attending the Albuquerque meetup. And here we go, handing it off. My name is Craig and I am also here at my first no Agenda meeting. Hi, this is Steve. I'm from northern Colorado. This is my first no Agenda meetup and it's fantastic. Hi, this is Dame Heather of the Lost Boys from Santa Fe with quote Sir Jeff and Albuquerque at our biannual
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meetup, you said bye.
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All right, so cheers, Adam. And.
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And glad that everybody's healthy and happy
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and not in the hospital anymore. Yes, we're all very happy about that as well. Hey there's a meetup taking place today. The Northern Wake may meet up at 6 o' clock at Saints and Scholars in Raleigh, North Carolina on Saturday, the DFD that's Dallas, Fort Worth, Mid Cities meet up 11:30 in the morning at Chef Point Cafe in Coleyville, Texas. It'll be a relaxing lunch, sir Nerdwork says. Also the Fort Wayne Club 33 May Day dancers meet up at one o' clock at Olay's Pizza Pasta Pub in Fort Wayne, Indiana and another one on Saturday, the Resist We Much Meetup in Los Banos, California at Mined's Pizza. And that's at 3.33p. That'll be happy armed Forces Day. How about that Sunday, our next show day, the Indy N.A. may the road rise to meet you meet up 3 o' clock at St. Joseph Brewery and Public House in Indianapolis, Indiana. That's always Dame Maria and Sir Mark of the Greenwood. They always put together a great meetup. There are many more taking place in the month of May. On the 21st Charlotte, North Carolina 22nd Molazzoon, oh, this is the our Dame there in Guerres in France, so make sure you check out Noah jennameetups.com to find out where that is. The 23rd Wilmington, Delaware Los Angeles, California Hickson, Tennessee Franklin, Tennessee at the 24th Keyport, New Jersey Vancouver, British Columbia and on the 25th Sequim, Washington DA Mimi will be there with her too many eggs.com books and Anchorage, Alaska on May 30th. Many more meetups to be found at noagendameetups.com this is where you get connection that will always bring protection. These people will be your first responders in any emergency. In fact, they'll make you stable which always makes you able. Go to no agendameetups.com if you can't find a meetup near you, even if you live in France, start one yourself. It's easy. Always guaranteed a party. Noagendameetups.com Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days you wouldn't be where you won't be triggered All Hell's flames you want to be where everybody feels the same.
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It's like a party.
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And thank you all very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe that your no agenda show with your value for value in all sorts of ways. It is highly appreciated. Noagendadonations.com We've got end of show mixes coming up along with John's tip of the day. But first the ISOs. It's three for three today. So let's see. See who gets that coveted final spot of the show. I will start. Dude, it's like genius, Genius, genius. No, I didn't like that one myself. Here we go. That was the hardest I've ever laughed in my life. And this one. We did it.
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Oh, keep coming back to Alex Jones.
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That's not Alex Jones. We did it.
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Oh, it's not. Oh, but at first you're right, it sounded like him a little bit first. I got three.
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Yes.
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Let's start with chilling.
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This is a chill. This is chilling. This is serious. That's definitely a contender. Wow, these. Oops, sorry. Which one is next?
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Now we go to better.
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Hey, you will never find a better podcast than this. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
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Then the awards.
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Wow. These guys should win all the awards. I'm thinking this is a chill. This is chilling. This is serious. Well, I'm not sure now. I think, I think, I think this is the best. Hey, you will never find a better podcast than this. I think that, that, that is a good reminder for people. Okay.
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I'm not gonna argue about it.
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You shouldn't argue. You can't argue because you gotta get ready for the tip of the dip day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.
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Okay. I got a dynamite tip from one of the producers.
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Ooh, producer.
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And I'd like to get the producers in.
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Yes.
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Okay. Power toys from Microsoft.
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Power Toys.
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Have you ever even heard of this?
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Power toys. What's the word? Website.
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Well, the website. I'm going to tell you how people should find it. The following way.
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You go to Google, you type in Power Toys.
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Power toys from Microsoft. Otherwise you have to type in a URL. That's ridiculous. I'm going to tell you what it is. Learn.Microsoft.com en-us Windows. Power to Windows. PowerToys.
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I think I. I have seen this. This is funny. Yes.
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So it's a bunch of utilities. Free. They're free. Free. Free.
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Mouse without borders. Woo. Yeah.
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Including. Yeah. Advanced cut and paste. Color pickers. Crop and lock.
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You know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of the Mac days when you could install extensions and then your Mac would take an hour to start up because of all those extensions were overloading.
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Grab and move.
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Yeah.
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Host File editor. That's pretty good idea to have Image resizer. Keyboard manager. This easy way to remap a keyboard. This is the easiest way to do it is use this utility comes in handy.
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Light switch. Check this out. People automatically switch between light and dark themes based on time of day.
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Day.
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If you're.
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Power toys run quickly. There's a ton of stuff here.
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If you're still using Windows, you deserve this.
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If you're still using Windows, you deserve this.
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That's a pretty funny tip of the day, especially for those of us who use Linux. I mean, I'm sorry.
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Yeah, well, you still use Windows in some. Some way, shape or form.
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I don't. I have no more Windows in my life.
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Really?
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None. None what? Whatsoever.
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Oh, good for you. Good for you.
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I overrode every single drive that had Windows and I put Omarchi on it. I'm sorry. GNU Linux. I don't want to get in trouble. GNU Linux. GNU Linux. Power Tools. There you go. A tip of the day.
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It's not Power toys. Power toys.
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Power toys. Power toys. Power toys. It's not the same as a great wine, but it could help you, you in a pinch.
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And sometimes Adam, before you go.
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And again, you stepped on Brunetti's. You're always stepping on his credit. Has he not emailed you about this yet?
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No, he's missed out. I don't think he listens anymore. So just an interesting nut nodded. Somebody sent me a picture. I don't know if this is real. I'd like somebody to verify it. There's a big bucket of wine that Costco is starting to sell. Supposedly a 10 liter bucket of wine of Cabernet.
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Does it have a spout?
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I don't know. The bucket, you know.
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Or do you use a ladle?
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I had no idea. The whole thing is ludicrous, Chris.
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We're gonna do a Costco run, so I'll take a look for myself. That concludes our broadcast day. You got a full day's worth for sure. End of show mixes from just Baker and Daryl Crillo. Thank you both very much for these end of show mixes. Love them a lot. Love them a lot. Lots of slop. Coming up next on the no Agenda Stream stream. If you are listening there, noagendashtream.com or the Modern Podcast app Planet Rage. And they are also a value for value podcast. And I suggest you support them in a similar manner because those guys seem to be hurting. So help them out. Planet Rage, Darren and Larry. Darren and Laren. Darren and Larry. And we promise and we'll be back on Sunday. Until then, coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country. Glad to be back in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody.
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I'm Adam Curry and from Northern. I'm sorry, from Refinery Road, we can handle the heavy crude mud. By the way, like most people, it's not just for heating oil. I'm John C. Dvorak.
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dethroned 1111 took the crown Somehow. Flow in our surreal kimonation land Support no agenda Support no no agenda Support no no agenda Support no. No I got no agenda but plenty of intent off on another mind bender where they get free rent JCD and Adam C. They're always in my ear holes speaking to me, filling my brain, keeping me sane. And for that I get to listen again and again. That's why I'm a producer, donating time, talent and treasure supporting these guys. It is my great pleasure. Thank you John. Thank you Adam. At the end of the day, aren't we glad we had em Until I listen again tomorrow in the morning. The best podcast in the universe. Mofo dvorak.org Na hey you will never find a better podcast than this.