1871 - "Hatman"

Summary

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No Agenda Show | Episode 1871: "Hatman"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

Date: May 24, 2026
Theme: Deconstructing Media with No Agenda

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Episode Overview

In this lively and unscripted Memorial Day weekend episode, Adam Curry (broadcasting from Nashville for the K Love Music Awards) and John C. Dvorak (in Northern Silicon Valley) break down the latest media narratives and political developments. The discussion ranges from the sketchy peace "deal" between the US and Iran, the ongoing blockade in the Strait of Hormuz, political drama within the Democrat Party, social media trends in politics, mask conspiracies, Kratom bans, immigration reforms, AI in media deconstruction, and more. As always, the hosts combine sharp media critique, skepticism of official narratives, and irreverent humor.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Live from Nashville: K Love Music Awards & Biodome Talk

• John explains the Opryland hotel "biodome" atmosphere: "So it could be raining, could be sunny. You don't know. It's a constant, like 70 degrees, 72 degrees. And everywhere you go, you're just inside the biodome." (01:08)
• Reflecting on contemporary Christian music’s dominance, worship services, and Pastor Levi Lusko’s message on how to cope when "spiraling." (02:26)

2. Irano-American 'Peace Deal': Skepticism & Narrative Dissection

• Adam and John break down the media blitz around Trump’s alleged “deal” with Iran, calling it largely vapor and theater.
• Adam: “I got the deal analyzed. The deal, the so-called, the deal that's in Trump, I believe is in Trump's mind.” (05:29)
• Multiple news clips played (BBC, CBC, etc.), exposing inconsistencies in media language—e.g., the strait of Hormuz re-opening (contradictory US/Iran claims), President vs. Mr. Trump, Iran’s nuclear program discussions.
• John: “Hey, sign the deal or I'll blow you to smithereens.” (10:20)

Key points:

• The hosts urge skepticism: “We don't know anything,” “Everything on social media is fake. Nothing is real.”
• They note the strategic role of Pakistan, the basic Sunni-Shia split driving complexity, and Pakistan's function as China’s proxy.
• Debate over 'tolls' for passing the Strait of Hormuz and the role of crypto in circumventing US restrictions.
• John dismisses the public drama as a “financial war” involving heightened insurance costs, not actual military standoffs.

3. Democratic Party ‘Autopsy’ – Infighting & Identity Crisis (31:08)

• Released "autopsy" report criticized for lack of actionable solutions after Kamala Harris’s loss to Trump.
• Notable quote (Ashley Etienne): "We've got a situation with democracy on the line... fundraising is polling at 28%. And Ken Martin made this entire autopsy debate about himself..." (33:14)
• Amusing riffing on Democratic identity politics, failed leadership choices, and “pre-decisional” jargon.

4. Social Media Politicians: New York Mayor Mamdani as 'Twitch Mayor' (36:00)

• Discussion about Mayor Mamdani moving to Twitch and podcasts to facilitate “direct” access with constituents.
• Hosts compare this to FDR’s ‘Fireside Chats’ and LaGuardia’s radio readings of comics.
• John notes the fawning media coverage: "CBS New York, who are all in. Just listen to how they're fawning over him..." (37:55)
• Joking about the use of youth lingo ("bussin'") and the performative aspect of political livestreaming.

5. Mask Conspiracies: The Fox News ‘Hatman’ Moment (54:06)

• Viral internet theory posits Admiral Robert Harward wore a hyper-realistic mask on Fox.
• Adam dismisses this with technical realities: “These masks go way down into the chest area. They're big. This little anomaly here looks like bull crap to me.” (57:04)
• John diagnoses the viral momentum as a sign of deep public distrust in media images and narratives.

6. Current Stories: Shooting Near the White House & Tech Surveillance Hype (59:04)

• Shooting near White House by a mentally ill man surfaces questions about the limits of surveillance despite data center buildup.
• John: “If it really was true that they're surveilling you on everything, how does this guy... get all the way to the White House?” (62:50)

7. US Immigration Changes – Green Cards & H1B Impact (67:53)

• Adam reports on a new policy requiring green card applicants to leave the US and apply from abroad, which could affect hundreds of thousands, including families and H1B workers.
• John: “This is good. This is how it used to be... the system can see who really should be here and who shouldn't be.” (73:24)

8. Resignation of Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence (73:24)

• Explanation: Resignation attributed to husband’s cancer; rumors swirl about internal conflict over Iran policy.
• Media super cut on Gabbard’s exit and speculation on her replacement, “a guy named Aaron Lucas.” The phrasing draws critique for disrespect.
• Adam reads through her past media breaker moments, including explosive declassified emails about Obama-era intelligence.

9. Kratom Ban, Hatman, and AI Lawsuits (101:01)

• Listener boots-on-the-ground clarifies the Tennessee Kratom suicide case—overdose due to Benadryl, not kratom/Xanax.
• Tennessee becomes 9th state to ban Kratom, including its natural form, raising questions of pharma influence.

10. AI, IPOs, and Tech Hype (114:36)

• CNBC clip: Analysis of SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic’s upcoming IPOs and the divergence between consumer and enterprise AI bets.
• Jeff Bezos audio: "AI will not eliminate jobs, but empower and elevate workers—expect more productivity, possible deflation, and a coming labor shortage." (120:01)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Everything on social media is fake. Nothing is real. It’s really not even worth your time.” – John (60:57)
• “It's just a financial war. Lloyds of London won't insure nobody.” – John (21:52)
• On the 'Iran deal': “Essentially, Trump is saying what he feels like saying.” – Adam (11:04)
• On Democratic divides: “It's pre-decisional for you to say I'm pre-decisional.” – Adam (33:10)
• “This is only about what happened to the mines... No one is talking about the mines for a week now because there's no mines.” – John (21:17)
• On Kratom ban: “So it makes total sense that we would ban that plant because can't get involved with the drug companies now, can we?” – John (103:24)
• “Everything is fake. Nothing is real.” – John (60:57)
• On the “Hatman” mask conspiracy: “Who cares? This was... not anybody important in that regard.” – Adam (58:30)
• On CBS Radio’s sign-off: “So, in a. In an odd sort of way, that was the passing of the torch 10 years before podcasting came to be. So that was, in fact, a prophecy.” – John (111:50)
• “Screw your other podcast. This is the best.” – (Arnold Schwarzenegger ISO, 155:55)

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Notable Timestamps

• K Love Music Awards & Pastor’s Message: 01:08–02:34
• Iran-US ‘Deal’ Analysis: 05:23–31:00
• Democrat Party ‘Autopsy’ Discussion: 31:08–36:00
• Mayor Mamdani’s Social Media Politics: 36:00–41:04
• ‘Maskgate’ Conspiracy Segment: 54:06–58:48
• AI Data Centers / White House Shooting: 62:26–66:11
• Immigration/Green Card Policy Segment: 67:53–73:24
• Tulsi Gabbard’s DNI Resignation: 73:24–83:44
• Kratom Ban & Toxicology: 101:00–105:09
• AI IPOs & Bezos on Automation: 114:36–122:01
• Clip Blitz: News Roundup Segment: 105:09–113:59 + scattered throughout

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Additional Highlights

• Value for Value & Producer Segments: Classic No Agenda gratitude to listeners/producers for content, art, expertise, and financial support. (124:45+)
• ISO Contest & John’s Tip of the Day: New salt-free seasoning for heart health, Badia Complete, recommended by John. (157:12)
• Meetup Reports: Producer-generated field reports from nationwide No Agenda meetups.

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Tone & Style

The tone is irreverent, skeptical, and conversational as Adam and John riff on headlines, dissect media narratives, amplify contradictions, and weave in running gags. They punctuate serious analysis with asides, inside jokes, and classic No Agenda community participation.

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Transcript

[Adam Curry]

She's a Chinese spy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry. John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, May 24, 2026. This is your award winning Gitmonation Media assassination episode 1871. This is no Agenda. Doing the Bundy bug you and broadcasting live from the live music capital of the world, Nashville, Tennessee in the morning,

[Adam Curry]

everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley. Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's the Refinery Row. We wish everybody a happy Memorial Day. I'm Johnson Crack.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning. You know, by the time you.

[Adam Curry]

Smooth as silk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Smooth. Nailed it. By the time you get home, you'll be saying refinery.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know where I am.

[John C. Dvorak]

You won't know anything.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, man, I don't know anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now here I am in the Biodome in Nashville, Tennessee.

[Adam Curry]

What's a biodome?

[John C. Dvorak]

Better known as the Gaylord Opryland Hotel. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Why is it called a biodome?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you're entirely enclosed in.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I've been to that place once. Yeah, you're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what I'm talking about. So it could be raining, could be sunny. You don't know. It's a constant, like 70 degrees, 72 degrees. And everywhere you go, you're just inside the biodome.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's big.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's troubling for you. Once you realize I've been in this biodome for three days, it's a bit much. So, yeah, since you asked. We are here for the K Love Music Awards.

[Adam Curry]

The big K Love Music Awards.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. K Love is. They own pretty much every single contemporary Christian music radio station in the country. Although I don't know if that's going to benefit them long term, but they do have streams. And so every top name in the Nashville music business is here performing live, doing worship services. Performing live. Worship services. We had a great service this morning with Bethel Worship. No, I mean, it's music like you got two, three thousand people we're all worshiping. And the great pastor from. What's his name? His name is Levi Lusko. He's from Montana, but originally from California. Did a great message. And so we're just getting our buckets filled.

[Adam Curry]

What was his message?

[John C. Dvorak]

His message was what to do when you're spiraling. And it was. It was good. It would have worked.

[Adam Curry]

Are you spiraling?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but I had. I mean, I have. I mean, we've all spiraled at some point. You've never spiraled.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what it means where you Just.

[John C. Dvorak]

You feel bad, you're down, you're depressed,

[Adam Curry]

you're not doing well, you feel bad all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

John's in a constant spiral. Exactly. Exactly. Now, before we get started, I don't think this has ever happened to me on an airplane before. I've been recognized for all kinds of different things from my.

[Adam Curry]

You were called out at the beginning and they sang a song to you. Happy Birthday.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they didn't. So I'm like, half asleep. I got the hearing aids in, so you couldn't tell that I was listening to anything. And I'm listening to Tucker Carlson go on and on and on about the Jews and Israel. And so I'm kind of drifting off and I feel a hand on my arm and I hear, hold on a second, let me turn off my phone here. Itm. And it was Audra, our flight attendant on our Delta flight to Nashville. And I don't think I've ever had a flight attendant come up to me and throw an in the morning at me.

[Adam Curry]

Nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And she's like, I've been listening for six years. I love what you guys are doing. You've been so great. You've been so helpful. And then her colleague Carla was like, man, I gotta listen to your podcast. Because Audra's like, jumping up and down. She can't believe it that she's met you guys. So it was really nice.

[Adam Curry]

You got an extra listener. That's what counts.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we got extra peanuts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. One at a time. Oh, and you got free. Probably gonna gotten those anyway. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I wanted to say hi.

[Adam Curry]

So you were talking about some. Some issues you had with the gear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. I had a dry fail an SSD drive. Yeah. Solid state. Although it was like half failing, and then it kind of came back up. But that screws up a lot of things when that happens. So then you got to plug in the other drive. You got to remap everything. I got the road gear. Although it's. I mean, this. It's Linux, remember? It's Linux. It's amazing any of this stuff works, but here it is functioning, knock on wood. Holy spirit, take us through the whole day. We'll be good. So, yeah, and it's good to be. Good to be on the air with you, as it were now. Well, the first thing I'd like to say is that apparently the Vice President had to turn around and come right back to D.C. president Trump didn't go to his son's wedding in the Bahamas, even though he was already married. But the wedding ceremony because it sounds like we have a deal. We've got a deal.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I saw you had clips, so I'm trusting that you've got clips about the deal.

[Adam Curry]

I got the deal analyzed. The deal, the so called, the deal that's in Trump, I believe is in Trump's mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, first of all, we kind of expected a deal to be here around June 1st, because we need to have this all cleared up by the big 250th celebration on July 4th. We, we can't have a war when we're doing the big celebration.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, so we knew it was going to happen. But you think the deal is not a deal?

[Adam Curry]

I don't think it's a deal yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And they're kind of wishy washy about it. And, but you know, it might be getting close, but you know, this is supposed to have taken place, what he said. This whole thing's gonna go six weeks. I think we're at 11 weeks now, something like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. It was only six weeks of actual fighting. All the rest has just been ceasefire.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that's right. What am I thinking?

[John C. Dvorak]

So get it right, man.

[Adam Curry]

So let's play the. I have four clips and there's three of them are analysis clips and one of them is the basic, basic BBC clip, which I thought would be the place to go. Iran, Trump, BS deal. Oh, I called it a BS deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

BBC. President Trump has said an agreement with

[John C. Dvorak]

Iran to end the war has largely been negotiated. He made the announcement on social media. Peter Bose reports. Mr. Trump posting on his truth social platform has said

[Adam Curry]

the first guy said President Trump, but this other guy comes in and he calls him Mr. Trump, which is a note of disrespect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, everyone's doing it now.

[Adam Curry]

It's President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they can't get that out of their mouths.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the first guy did.

[John C. Dvorak]

For a second there, they're editorializing. I'm sure the script says Mr. Trump. Anyway, we continue largely negotiated after what he described as a very good call with the leaders of several Gulf states. Very good call. And that it was now subject to finalization between the US And Iran. He added that in addition to other elements of the agreement, the stray de Hormuz would be reopened. But he warned that if a deal could not be reached, no country would ever be hit as hard as they're about to be. Contradicting Donald Trump's statement, the Iranian news agency Fars, which is close to the Revolutionary Guard Corps, says the Strait of Hormuz would remain under Iranian control. Well, that's, this is the BBC. The BBC is going to run their line of talk. Of course, they've been funding the whole operation for the, from the Muslim Brotherhood and the, and the Lloyds of London and the City of London. Of course, they don't want any deal. They're just, they're just talking the talk.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure they don't want any deal. But here we go with analysis. Clip 1.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

We start with President Trump's claim on

[Adam Curry]

social media that the U.S. is close

[John C. Dvorak]

to reaching a peace deal with Iran

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

after weeks in which their shaky ceasefire has hung in the balance. Just days ago, he was threatening to attack Iran again. In his post, Mr. Trump said the deal had been largely partially negotiated, was

[John C. Dvorak]

being finalized, and would be announced shortly. He also said the Strait of Hormuz

[Adam Curry]

would soon be reopened. This comes after Pakistan's army chief went

[John C. Dvorak]

to Tehran to hold talks with Iranian

[Adam Curry]

officials, and after Mr. Trump then held

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

a call with Arab allies in which Pakistan, as the key mediator, also took

[Adam Curry]

part, and he held a separate call

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

with the Israeli leader, Benjamin Netanyahu.

[Adam Curry]

The US President said both calls had gone very well. Well, earlier, his secretary of state, Marco

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Rubio, who's visiting India, also struck an

[Adam Curry]

optimistic note when talking to journalists.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's been some progress done, some progress made. Even as I speak to you now, there's some work being done. There is a chance that whether it's later today, tomorrow, in a couple days, we may have something to say. But this issue needs to be solved. As the president said, one way or the other, Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. The straits need to be open without tolls. They need to turn over their enriched uranium. They need to turn over their highly enriched uranium. We need to address that. Oh, you catch that? He corrected himself from enriched uranium to highly enriched uranium.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that means something.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a deal point there. Hey, give us your highly enriched, whatever that is and you can keep your enriched.

[Adam Curry]

The 60% stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. President said one way or the other, Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. The straits need to be opened without toll. They need to turn over their enriched uranium. They need to turn their highly enriched uranium. We need to address that issue. We need to address the issue of enrichment. These are the president's points consistently. And his preference is always to deal with it in a diplomatic way.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Our North America correspondent, Peter Bowes gave us his assessment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's how that works. Hey, sign the deal or I'll blow you to smithereens.

[Adam Curry]

Of whether this means an end to

[John C. Dvorak]

the war is great. Well, with the caveat that we've heard positive statements before from the president about a potential deal with Iran. This does look as if there is perhaps some sort of breakthrough in the making, although the mood music from Iran is somewhat different. All right, so far, zero analysis. Just calling our president, Mr. Trump. They've given nothing so far.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And that's what you're gonna end up with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Statements.

[Adam Curry]

Because there's nothing to analyze. Let's face it. Essentially, Trump is saying what he feels like saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And there's no evidence that anything's going on whatsoever. The blockade still going on. He keeps any saber hold on to an extreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who is blocking? As far as I'm concerned? We're blocking. We're blocking. We're blocking. Yeah. Who's blocking? We're blocking. They're not blocking. Blocking. We're blocking.

[Adam Curry]

So we're blocking all the ships and they're shooting at any. They sneak by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it's, It's. I feel bad for the people. People that are ship. You know, the sailors that are on these vessels, they can't eat. I mean, there's no food.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they're getting. They're getting them out. There's. They're. Yes, we're getting the worst couple of

[Adam Curry]

guys in the world speaking out at night.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we're still escorting ships. We. Yes, we have no reporting nowhere. Whose boots on the ground there?

[Adam Curry]

Nobody needs some more boots on the ground from our side. Okay, here we go. Part 2.

[John C. Dvorak]

Saying that as far as they're concerned, gaps remain as far as the latest talks are concerned, that the issue of a nuclear weapon. Also the Strait of Hormuz hasn't been part of the current round of talks. And in fact, just in the last few minutes, Iran saying that the Strait of Hormuz will remain under its. Now, when they say Iran is saying, is there a mouth on the country that is opening up and going. Here's what we're saying. Is it on Twitter? Is it on X? Is it the IRGC? Who is Iran at this point? Who is talking MI6 management? Nevertheless, we had this quite long, a lengthy statement, truth, social statement from the president within the last hour. And this in part is what he has to say. He says an agreement has been largely negotiated, subject to finalization between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and. And other countries. And he goes on separately. I had a call with Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu of Israel, which likewise went very well. And Then he says final aspects and details of the deal are currently being discussed and will be announced shortly. So I think significantly there we have no mention of nuclear weapons, which is still at the heart of this issue. As far as President Trump is, You notice that of course, there's no mention of nuclear weapons because they never had a nuclear weapon. All we're hearing about is the dust. The dust, that's the enriched uranium. They don't have a nuclear weapon. They have enriched or highly enriched uranium. So now the BBC, after just hearing that from Rubio, are saying we haven't heard anything about a nuclear weapon. Concerned. He says that the Strait of Hormuz will be open, but as we're already hearing, that is being disputed by Iran. So perhaps tentatively, very tentatively, we might be moving towards some sort of breakthrough, but this certainly isn't a deal to end the war right now. Okay, all right. Some sort of breakthrough, but it's not a deal. But we don't know anything with the BBC.

[Adam Curry]

There's a couple of things that are interesting in this, is that Pakistan seems to be playing the real role here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, I agree.

[Adam Curry]

And Pakistan also has been a safe haven for the much of the Iranian air force. It turns out that, yeah, they said they opened their bases up to Iran during the initial bombing, saying, if you're worried about your jets getting blowed up because they're pretty. Park them here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Park them here. Yeah, it's all good.

[Adam Curry]

And so they have a lot of Iran's gear in Pakistan, and so Pakistan has some leverage in that regard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, they're also the front men for China, which is the country that really needs this.

[Adam Curry]

But, but the, the sticking point here seems still to be the basic thesis of the Sunnis versus the Shia. And the Pakistanis are not Shia, they're Sunnis. And so they're not. They're not subscribing to this 12th Imam theory in the end of the world thesis that the Iranians seem to be all jacked about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not the Iranians, but some of them. It's not all of Iran.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the mullahs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the mullahs. If whoever's still. We don't know anything.

[Adam Curry]

We don't know who's running the place.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't. And you know what? The Iranians.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think anybody's running the place right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's some dude with an X account. Look at me. Look at me. Hey, watch me post this. See what the BBC says next.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Well, much of the impetus for this

[John C. Dvorak]

latest attempt to Strike.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

A deal seems to have come from the Pakistani army chief's visit to Teh

[John C. Dvorak]

and his talks there with Iranian officials

[Adam Curry]

to try to bridge the huge gaps

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

between the two sides.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what did they discuss?

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Here's Kaz Ranaji from BBC Persian.

[Adam Curry]

The newly appointed spokesman for Iran's negotiating team says the discussions centered on a memorandum of understanding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so this annoys me. The newly appointed spokesman, who is he? This is BBC. Persia Persian, I think she said. Shouldn't they be telling us who's talking now?

[Adam Curry]

Yep, this is the BBC, which is the great journalist at the BBC. Hey, at least they should be telling us. You're giving us some details.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anything, at least when we're talking to the press. You know, it's our vice president, our new press secretary. Come on, we're doing better.

[Adam Curry]

BBC Pershing, the newly appointed spokesman for Iran's negotiating team, says the discussions centered on a memorandum of understanding, something that will extend the ceasefire and pave the way for a 30 to 60 day period of detailed negotiations between Iran and the United States. Ismail Barai has been telling Iran's state television that the main issues under discussion are ending the war, the lifting of the US blockade of Iranian ports and the release of Iran's frozen assets in banks abroad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. So this 30 to 60 days, this hasn't come out of the mouths of us spokesholes as far as I'm concerned. I don't know where this came from, but this is kind of the narrative I'm hearing every. Well, according to what everyone's been hearing, it's 30 to 60 days. It'll be a ceasefire. Not really.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to hammer it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but who was the progenitor of that? Where did that come from? Other than BBC Persian?

[Adam Curry]

We don't. They did mention somebody's name in there, very casually. It was impossible to tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. I missed it then. Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

And the United States, Ismail Bar has been telling Iran his.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mari Bar. Who's that guy?

[Adam Curry]

Is Rebuh. Blah, blah, blah. I couldn't understand him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Control room help. Who is Isma?

[Adam Curry]

Ray Bari, United States. Ismail Bari has been telling Iran's state television that the main issues under discussion are ending the war, the lifting of the US blockade of Iranian ports, and the release of Iran's frozen assets in banks abroad. But significantly, he does not mention anything about Iran's nuclear program or Iran ending its blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, something that is an urgent priority for the American side. Hardliners in Tehran are Opposed to relinquishing control of the Strait of Hormuz in return to. For lifting of the US blockade of Iranian ports. A trade off which could see the opening of this vital international waterway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So I'm looking at the troll room for some help and all I see is trolls arguing about Liz Cheney. Are you guys even. I don't know. They're not even. They're not even. They're not even listening to the show. They're just in there arguing with each other. Liz Cheney one upping each other. No, no. It's all about midterms election. Florida. We're going to win. We're going to lose. It's no good. Everyone unipart a simmer down. Donna Summer, Sir Paul Couture, he's very active these days.

[Adam Curry]

Paul Couture?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Sir Paul Couture. He had, yeah, he showed up in the troll room a couple like two weeks ago and he started. He's trolling hard but not listening to the show apparently. Anyway, so I do have a couple of clips that these are from just kind of just before this announcement, which really happened over the last like 36 hours. Here's Rubio. This is a global Radio Canada. As NATO allies gathered in Sweden, the US made it clear it's working on

[Adam Curry]

multiple paths to a deal with Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Negotiation and a plan for navigation of the Strait of Hormuz. There's been some problems. I wouldn't exaggerate it, I wouldn't diminish it.

[Adam Curry]

The US claims the two sides are

[John C. Dvorak]

getting closer to a deal to start formal negotiations. Iran rejects that, characterizing the differences as deep and significant. Though Iranian officials did meet with key intermediaries from Pakistan to relay their positions.

[Adam Curry]

You see what we've done to Iran. Iran is dying to make a deal. We'll see what happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the US Secretary of State said he told NATO allies they need a backup plan if talks fail. Plan B is, what if Iran refuses to open the straits? What if Iran decides we refuse to open the straits, we're going to own the straits and we're going to charge tolls for it. See this, this is the part that bugs me. So you even have the BBC saying that the US controls the straits, that we are controlling the waterway, that we're making sure no one goes to the Iranian ports. And then you've got future President Lubio saying, well, they've got to open the straits. There's not a line of fast boats anywhere. This is theater of the highest.

[Adam Curry]

We don't know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course we know that there's no line of fast boats saying stop. No, of course not. There's nothing going on in that regard. This is only about what happened to the mines, what happened to all those that fell off the radar. No one is talking about the mines for a week now because there's no mines, okay? At that point, something has to be done about it. NATO's Secretary General would not openly.

[Adam Curry]

So wait a minute. Stop a second. So you think the whole thing's a hoax?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's a financial war. I've said this from the beginning. Lloyds of London won't insure nobody. For whatever reason, no one wants to use the American reinsurers through DFC and Chubb. That were all. That were all set up. The International Development Finance Corporation. For whatever reason, nobody wants to use those. So the shipping company's like, oh, it's 100, 100x to insure your ship. Well, we can't sail. That's what this is about. Only the couple of brave ones who are like, you know, oh, we're really here.

[Adam Curry]

Dead and night. By turning off their transponders and heading through at midnight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the transponders is all. That's all bull crap. The transponders is meaningless at this point. Everyone's spoofing. Nobody knows where anybody really is in the straits. We're going to own the straits and we're going to charge tolls for it, okay? At that point, something has to be done about it. NATO's Secretary General would not openly talk about how the alliance might help. In recent weeks, both the United Kingdom and France have sent aircraft carriers to the region. This direct assault on freedom of navigation and global commerce affects us all. It is important that countries are coming together. Coming together plans to ensure that the straits can be open for transit. It is open, man.

[Adam Curry]

The longer the stalemate drags on, the

[John C. Dvorak]

more this global crisis grows. More than 20,000 sailors are still trapped on vessels in the Persian Gulf, unable to leave their ships for months and quickly running out of food.

[Adam Curry]

They need a collective intervention because they

[John C. Dvorak]

are key for our economy is for the supply chains. But also they are civilians like the rest of the world. They can only wait for the two sides to make a deal. Trapped by a conflict that has no end in sight. The way I see it, we are blocking the ports of the Iranian ports, and that's where everyone needs to go. Yeah, they got to get their stuff from UAE and from Saudi Arabia. They're already pumping stuff over the pipelines. Like, yeah, we're getting it out. This other way. But the Iranian oil is really the prize here. And so they want tolls, and we're saying no tolls. That's what I keep hearing.

[Adam Curry]

Toll.

[John C. Dvorak]

We want a toll. And the toll is not to get through the whole straight. The toll is only to, to go into the Iranian ports. And the US Is saying, no, you can't do that, because then you can. Then you have too much control. Here's, here's Rubio right now.

[Adam Curry]

We're negotiating and we'll.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's Trump, actually. But Rubio's coming.

[Adam Curry]

We'll see. But either we're going to get it one way or the other, they're not going to have a nuclear weapon. You will have a nuclear war in the Middle east and that war will come here. That war will go to Europe. We cannot let that happen. And it won't happen. It's not going to happen. That's more important than anything else. We can't. I can think of nothing that's more important than the fact that we cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. And, and we won't.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Centcom still enforcing its blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, saying as of May

[John C. Dvorak]

20, Centcom still blocking. Centcom. Everyone's claiming they're blocking a weapon.

[Adam Curry]

And, and we won't.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Centcom still enforcing its blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, saying as of May 21, Centcom forces have redirected 94 commercial vessels and disabled four while enforcing the blockade to prevent the flow of, of commerce into and out of Iranian ports. Secretary Rubio on this topic. Here he is just moments ago on

[John C. Dvorak]

the issue of Iran. The news this morning, I know it's early on. The, it's still in the United States, a little later in the region, in the Middle East. But we await word on those conversations that are ongoing. There's been some slight progress. I don't want to exaggerate it, but there's been a little bit of movement and that's good. The fundamentals remain the same. Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. And then added to, to this, of course, is the issue of the straits. Iran is trying to create a tolling system. Yeah, there it is, the tolling system. And there's a little twist now to the question you had on Thursday about crypt. Crypto and how, how the treasury and General Besant were able to capture the crypto, because that is all stablecoin. So now there's a little shift, and this is part of the tolling system. That is a problem. The. It's a problem for Anybody but a problem for the US Crypto experts claim that foreign adversaries like Iran are using

[Adam Curry]

digital assets to evade sanctions and funnel

[John C. Dvorak]

money to bad actors Darren Botello joining us now. Okay, Darren, how do we stop this laugh? Tell.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Hi.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good morning, Stuart. The good news is the Trump administration is already stopping. In fact, we confirmed that the U.S. treasury has been able to trace some of Iran's money. And just last month they froze more than $300 million. This was in regime crypto, Stewart. Iran is reportedly launching a new digital insurance platform for cargo ships. Digital insurance programs. Everyone's in the insurance game now. This is in the Strait of Hormuz. And here's the kicker. They're settling payments entirely in Bitcoin. Basically, this is how it works. The companies pay the insurance companies in bitcoin and they get through the strait safely. That's the trade off. It's a direct move to dodge our banks and scoop up a fresh source of cash. And this covers a much larger shadow economy. New estimates from a threat detection data firm show Tehran is sitting on a crypto pile worth A staggering $7.7 billion. That war chest has been expanding ever since heavy sanctions cracked down. This was during the first Trump administration, by the way. And here's a look at the price of crude right now. The hot board's up prices are trading near recent highs as regional shipping tensions, they're flaring. But the regime is counting on crypto to keep its military funded. Unfortunately, they keep using words like crypto because, you know, crypto could be anything. Ethereum could be.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they specifically said bitcoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I know, that's what, finally someone said bitcoin. But you know, it could be Trump's meme coin for all I know when they say crypto. But this is a problem because they cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot block bitcoin from being used. But they have a plan. The Treasury Department is tracking the digital breadcrumbs and they're telling Fox. Here's the statement over here. Through economic fury, treasury has taken actions that have led to the freezing of nearly half a billion dollars worth of cryptocurrency linked to the Iranian regime, severing financial lifelines that Iran's regime and military depend on. According to crypto experts, Tehran's tech is actually their weak spot here. We found over and over again that

[Adam Curry]

they're actually a much better asset for US Law enforcement and other agencies to

[John C. Dvorak]

track because you leave a lot of breadcrumbs. So I said the administration is taking action, but how do we Actually, stop this. Industry insiders say Washington has a massive trump card here. By threatening to cut off crypto exchanges from the American banking system, regulators could actually then flush out these foreign adversaries.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's going to be a problem. Yeah, grab it at the crypto exchanges.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, when did this report come out? Because this is old. Because the price of oil dropped since this thing took place. It's down to 97. Come on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was 102 when they had this. But it's good. Look, the way I see it, I don't know exactly what the game is that's being played here. I'm for sure the oil guys are loving this because with any report like, oh, just make it more expensive and we'll go up and we'll go down and your gas station is like, oh yeah, let's do $5. I was too, 550. They can do whatever they want. But when the narrative has been cemented and they stop posting stuff on X because I think there's just one dude that. Whose name we couldn't catch, then it's just, it's going to be over and then it's going to go and everything's going to come dropping down. I think it's going to come down fast and hard. That's got to be. I'm just looking at. I have no. Nothing to base this on other than what I think Trump is doing in his head by July 4th. And the futures will be $60 barrel of oil.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're going to have a hard time getting it down to 60, but it's possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

The futures, the futures.

[Adam Curry]

Well, futures or no futures, it's still hard to get down that far. You'll be buying that stuff up like there's no tomorrow. Yeah, and it also screws up our shale business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but those guys, they were already struggling. Remember, it was around $60 before all this kicked off. Yeah, well before like Venezuela days, which is still flowing, I presume. I just got to presume Venezuelan oil is doing. You don't hear about it.

[Adam Curry]

Why would you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, everyone's all obsessed. So the. I thought the, this autopsy of the Democrat Party, that was really interesting. Did you catch any of this?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I caught the whole thing. I didn't think it was interesting in the least.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought it was. Why didn't you think it was interesting?

[Adam Curry]

There wasn't anything new in there?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, nothing new for us. But for the Democrats, it feels like the Democrats are just all of a sudden falling apart before the midterms. And they have no leader and they're all mad at each other. I thought that was interesting and so I brought two clips.

[Adam Curry]

Now to the deepening divisions within the

[John C. Dvorak]

Democratic Party and the long awaited release

[Adam Curry]

of the so called 2024 election autopsy. The report was commissioned by Democratic National Committee Chairman Ken Martin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Its purpose, to help the party understand

[Adam Curry]

why former Vice President Kamala Harris lost to President Donald Trump. Martin got an independent consultant to write

[John C. Dvorak]

it, but then put off its release

[Adam Curry]

saying it was badly done.

[John C. Dvorak]

After pressure from other Democrats. Today, the DNC chair published the 192 page draft that he says is still littered with typos and inaccuracies.

[Adam Curry]

The paper argues that Harris wrote off

[John C. Dvorak]

rural voters and failed to attack President

[Adam Curry]

Trump with sufficient negative firepower.

[John C. Dvorak]

The DNC adding disclaimers that the autopsy doesn't reflect the committee's views. Our political pros are here to discuss.

[Adam Curry]

Ashley Etienne is a former communications director to VP Harris. And Corbin Trent is a former aide

[John C. Dvorak]

to AOC and Bernie Sanders. I thank you both for being here. Ashley, you were one of the people pushing for this report's release and just hours ago you told our good friend Kristen Welker that Ken Martin should step down. Explain why.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Well, I think this is a complete failure of leadership. Ken Martin really has two jobs, really is to run to raise money and to win elections. He chose to instead of releasing a forward looking document that lays out a vision on how to rebuild this party, how to win elections going forward from the state level to the national level. Instead, what he released is a pre decisional document with critiques. Pre decisional to cover his hide. That's really.

[Adam Curry]

What does that mean here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Unfortunately, pre decisional. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

What does it mean? Doesn't mean. Jack, she's just saying stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we should use it ourselves.

[Adam Curry]

It's pre decisional for you to say that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's pre decisional for you to say I'm pre decisional when elections going forward

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

from the state level to the national level. Instead, what he released is a pre decisional document with critiques in it to cover his hide. That's really what's at play here. Unfortunately. We've got a situation with democracy on the line. We've got the party is having struggles, fundraising is polling at 28%. And Ken Martin made this entire autopsy debate about himself rather than about the party, about how to rebuild the party and how to bring back what we're seeing. A bleeding support among the party's base vote voter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Feels to me like a coup is Underway. Someone's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're trying to get rid of Spartan guy. It's pretty obvious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, who's.

[Adam Curry]

No, he was a dud when the put him in. We noticed this when they were doing it. Remember they did the. Oh, you have to have so many lesbians voting and then you have to have a gender fluid person in there and. And then they didn't pick one. They picked a white guy. We needed a bipoc.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I forgot. I forgot about that. Yes, so. But.

[Adam Curry]

And then they pick some heteronormative guy. Who needs that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whatever.

[Adam Curry]

He's out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whatever happened to the kid from Florida? Wasn't he part of the leadership?

[Adam Curry]

He was the in command and they ousted him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he already got kicked out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because there was too many white guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

My goodness, so sad. Let's see. Let me see. Was this anything?

[Adam Curry]

He's still floating around on the online. On some social networks, bitching.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see if this is any good from. Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

Allies of former president Joe Biden failed

[John C. Dvorak]

to give Kamala Harris needed support before her 100, 107 day sprint to election day in 2024. No, that's no good. That's just the same.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, by the way, I think Tom Yamas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Who I. I like.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know you do.

[Adam Curry]

He. If you listen to him is the way his voice is. He's got a kind of a funny lilt. He sounds like he's about one. He's like one little accent away from sounding like a surfer dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll need to pay attention to it now.

[Adam Curry]

He just sounds like he's gonna. He's gonna drop right into. Hey, man. Hey, cowab.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man. What Surfer says cowabunga.

[Adam Curry]

That's what they used to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they've never. That was the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. There was never any surfer dude who said cowabunga. No.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you check it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meanwhile, our top Democrat, Socialist of America is Mayor Mandami. Mandami. Mum. Mum. Is it Mandami or Mamdani?

[Adam Curry]

I can't remember. I'm gonna listen to you struggle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, okay, thanks.

[Adam Curry]

Mamdani.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mamdani. He's come up with a brilliant new plan. He is now the social media mayor.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Mayor Mamdani, known as the social media mayor. And now he is launching a livestream series on Twitch, answering questions.

[Adam Curry]

This is from New York. This is from Gavin Newsom. Strategy. This is not a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what Trump did. Trump became the social media. Yeah, but Trump.

[Adam Curry]

But Trump. Yeah, but Trump didn't Start wasn't doing podcasting. He wasn't doing videos. You know, he was basically just tweeting a lot of stuff and three in the morning. So what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, listen to this in real time, because Mamdani has some good ideas.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

It's called.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he did get in through social media, doing a lot of videos because I guess his wife was a producer or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Heaven. Here we go with the people.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

And it will be shared on several social media platforms.

[Adam Curry]

Also, be posting these conversations wherever you listen to podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa. He's using the broadcast sentence of the future. The most powerful sentence in broadcasting. Wherever you get your podcasts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Was that what he said?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly. No, he said, wherever you'll be listening to this. Wherever you get your podcast. That's what he said.

[Adam Curry]

Listen to Play it again.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

It's called Talk with the people. And it will be shared on several social media platforms.

[Adam Curry]

Also, be posting these conversations wherever you listen to podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you're right.

[Adam Curry]

Wherever you listen to podcasts, it never says get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, good point.

[Adam Curry]

On your commute, washing dishes, pretending to answer emails.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's like all the social democrats. They just don't really work. They pretend to be answering emails. So that makes sense, because government should be accessible.

[Adam Curry]

You should hear directly from your city about what we're doing and why we're doing it.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Mamdani made this announcement with a firm.

[Adam Curry]

Are you supposed to do that at press conferences?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, man, he's hip on social media.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Here it is, a picture of himself next to fdr, who did a series of fireside chats.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is CBS New York, who are all in. Just listen to how they're fawning over

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

him in this over the radio. So political reporter Marcia Kramer joins me now to talk a little bit more about this strategy. Marsha, we. What's your take on the mayor's live stream?

[Adam Curry]

Well, Christine, I would say it was an R rated performance, but unlike the movies were in our means restricted. Here it stands for relatable. The mayor was relaxed, chatty, didn't wear a tie, and did the live stream with an expert named Moose, who read questions from people who logged into Twitch. Now, Moose instructed the mayor in live stream manners.

[John C. Dvorak]

He told him to say chat what's up?

[Adam Curry]

And say something good in is called busin.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Oh, my gosh, I think I need bussin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bussin' what? Bussin'.

[Adam Curry]

What's busin'?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's what Mandani said. Bussin'. That's what. That's when something. It's Bussin, man, that's what the kids say. You got kids around you busin.

[Adam Curry]

Never heard the kids say bussin'.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your kids are too old. They're saying bussin'. And you're supposed to say what's up, Chat. No, you're supposed to say, what up, trolls? People who logged into Twitch now?

[Adam Curry]

Moose instructed the mayor in livestream manners. He told. Wait, they logged into the twit Twitch. What? Leo's show Twitch. Oh, Twitch. Chat what's up?

[John C. Dvorak]

And say something good.

[Adam Curry]

Is called what's up?

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Oh my gosh. I think I need a manual.

[Adam Curry]

You need a manual? I need a manual.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

All right, I need to read up on this and get. And get with this language. But talk to me about the strategy of going on Twitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, this is a mayor who has

[Adam Curry]

used social media in ways that other politicians are green with envy about. It's a way to circumvent reporters who tend to ask, well, let's just say pointed questions.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is okay. Taking it. We always said the guy was doing a Trump like promise everything.

[Adam Curry]

I wrote a whole column and go. Dvorak.substack.com, i wrote an entire column about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, the Oasis is filled up with it. We can and to listen to the

[Adam Curry]

concerns of the people. So yes, the mayor did explain his budget and his desire to see free buzzing, not bussin'. And he was also asked if he played Minecraft.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Talked about the Knicks and Captain Clutch Brunson and revealed the shape of place for Tacos. It was a very man of the people performance. Favorite place for tacos.

[John C. Dvorak]

We didn't hear. They didn't tell us.

[Adam Curry]

These guys are no good. Fiorello LaGuardia, who famously read comic strips to people on the radio during a newspaper strike.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

So social media is his form of radio.

[John C. Dvorak]

Indeed.

[Adam Curry]

It was very relatable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did. Did LaGuardia do that?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, LaGuardia was a social media guy. Only you used the FDR did too. They used the Fireside. Chat was an example.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

But the. Yeah, LaGuardia would go on and he'd have a radio show and he read comics and discussed the newspaper and he did all this stuff. He was very, very down to earth. People love the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Like a podcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. OG podcast. I need to look.

[Adam Curry]

So I think that's all Mamdani is is, you know, he's taken from the best, you know, steal from the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's good. That's good. So we were talking about Massie. Oh, man. Probably the most frequently emailed thing. No. 2, Paxton and Massey have been just filling up my email inbox.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I love the Paxton stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But apparently your people in Fredericksburg are idiots.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's a couple of. Couple of issues. One, the most important one for the people in Fredericksburg. And all politics is local. I've heard someone say many times it was Paxton whose office wrote up the big press release excoriating our doctor who is still, in my opinion, in jail unjustly.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, the doctor who got just. Yeah, yeah, that guy. We know about him. He got. He was a good guy who just got rousted over his head.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he got rousted into a scam.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he got rousted into a scam. That meant. That's what I meant. In over his head.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And Paxton wrote this whole. Well, we got him. This is the guy, the linchpin.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that makes sense. No wonder. I wouldn't like the guy either if he pulled that stunt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm on your side now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. There's a couple other things about Paxton, but you didn't ask me after the show, so I couldn't tell you. Well, I'll tell you if you. If you remember to ask.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you know, I forgot to ask.

[John C. Dvorak]

You forgot to ask. I know.

[Adam Curry]

I put a note down too,

[John C. Dvorak]

but.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I'll ask today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Victor David Hansen. Victor Davis Hansen. Victor. Dave. Dave. Dave Davis.

[Adam Curry]

Vdh. Vdh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vdh had a great bit about Massey and he addresses everything. And you just can't argue with vdh. I mean, he's.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he does it so calmly.

[Adam Curry]

And yeah, Tommy Smothers, Scott Jennings, whom

[John C. Dvorak]

I really respect, he's a really great commentator. He takes on people at cnn. He summed it up. I can add something to it, but he did a wonderful job. He pointed out a couple of things, that the district that Massie represented in Kentucky is probably the reddest district in the United States. So those people wanted a strong, strong conservative. They didn't object as long as he was libertarian, if he was going to be a libertarian strong conservative. And by that I mean he prominence during the COVID when he said there was overreach. They even gave him some slack when he was opposing the big spending by both parties. But what they couldn't countenance was this, that when you. You can have the luxury of a Susan Collins in the Senate or Rand Paul that don't vote 95%, you know, they're mavericks and sometimes they're, they. They work. Lisa Murkowski, that's a indulgence. When you have five seats in the Senate margin, you can have three defections. Okay. But when you're close in the House every little. And they only got two seat margin, you can't afford that. So, and so when he started, after he became a folk hero on the right by on the right, he decided that he was going to become famous on the Epstein files. And the problem with that was he didn't say a word really, when Biden was president. And the majority, the vast majority of people who appear, whether it's Larry Summers or Reid Hoffman or all these people, they're on the left. So it didn't condemn Donald Trump, it didn't condemn a bunch of conservatives. And that's what he was trying to partner with AOC and others and saying, oh, there's going to be Republicans, you get. And it was a farce. All right, so he's going to give his voting record in a moment and then he's going to address the Israel issue. But now it kind of makes sense to me now because Massie was more what you'd call a classic libertarian, which I think is what Ron Paul always was, what Rand Paul is. Do you think that they're true Republicans or are they more. They just feel like libertarians. And that's why a lot of people who listen to us and listen to other podcasts, they like that. They like the. Oh, man, he's. He's in the middle. He's not, not, not going with those guys.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the. I'm not a big fan of libertarianism, even though I called myself one for a few years.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's okay. You slipped. It's okay.

[Adam Curry]

It's kind of a stupid moniker because it doesn't really mean anything specifically john dvorak.org. nah, I don't care.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know they, but they always email me when you say these things and

[Adam Curry]

they should, they should email you because they know that you can get to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're spiraling.

[Adam Curry]

So, so maybe, I mean, it seems to me that it's just a cop out for, you know. Yeah, you know, it's the old, well, I'm a, I'm conservative when it comes to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, fiscal, Fiscal conservative.

[Adam Curry]

Fiscal conservative. I'm a social liberal kind of. I'm a combination. I think drugs should be legalized and maybe they shouldn't be. And maybe they should be. I don't care. Everyone should do their own thing. Do their own thing. That's the old. I think that's the basis is from back in the 60s. Do your own thing, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hippies, hippies.

[Adam Curry]

Tune in, drop out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Turn on, tune in, drop out. That kind of. That's where I think it all stems from. And it's corny. It's corny. So just being independent now, that's the way to go. Or not affiliated in my case. Unaffiliated. We are both unaffiliated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unaffiliated is the way to go. Here we go. So that blew up on him, and he kept trying to get back onto the mainstream and get attention. And Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Bobbitt and Tucker, all those people loved him. That didn't work. And then. So he voted. The big defections came when he voted against the big beautiful bill. He voted against the closing the borders, and he voted against the SAVE act voter id. This was the big one, the SAVE Act. And that's what Cornyn was also voting against, which makes no sense. I mean, the SAVE act is the most sensible thing in the world, but okay. And he voted against the SAVE Act, a voter id. And once he did that, he crossed the Rubicon. The left made him into a brave maverick, but he was always an ambiguous, problematic person, as he didn't have a lot of principles. He had convenient principles because as you pointed out, to save his skin, he put out a false ad that years ago, Trump had endorsed him when he won 80% against, no opposition, essentially. So he reran that to fool people and think that Trump had flipped. Number two, he said in his defeat that he couldn't find his opponent because he's in Tel Aviv. Does anybody really believe he lost because of the Jews? Yes. Yes. Entire villages of people believe this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with you. Yeah. They. In fact, the notes that I got mostly, was that the Jew money. What's her name?

[John C. Dvorak]

Miriam Adelson.

[Adam Curry]

Miriam. Miriam. That evil Miriam. She's the one who. She's just pumped all this money and that's why he lost. No, there's been, you know, people who say it was a money issue keep ignoring the fact that Trump always had less money than the Democrats and beat them every time.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about. How about Musk spending 100 million in Matt. In Wisconsin?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And then Musk spent a ton of money in Wisconsin to defeat a couple of people and they got nowhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but Jew money.

[Adam Curry]

Money is. Yes, money is a factor when things. When all things are even. But when. When you have people that are running on the basis of various kinds of philosophies or. Or screwiness that took place with this Massey thing. No, it's not a fact. It's, I mean it's a, it's a factor, but it's a minor factor. It wasn't because of the money that he lost. Although people will argue with me because I is my thesis is because of the fake scandal.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you know, okay, I'm not so sure about that.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sticking with my scandal theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

But like our mayor in Fredericksburg had a lot less money than his, than his co contestant. And then she got a lot of media. She was in, you know, the Hill and Vine with her family, a full picture spread and everything. It wasn't money. It wasn't money that got Randy Briley elected. You know, it's policy. It's our church. Probably his opponent because he's in Tel Aviv. Does anybody really believe he lost because of the Jews? He opposed the war and he always votes against Israel. But that's not why he lost. He lost because he deliberately, on key votes that had nothing to do with Israel, turned on Donald Trump from a red district. It would be the analogous of at say, Nancy Pelosi's district. That's the, it's the bluest in the, in the U.S. san Francisco. And then she started to vote with Republicans. They would, that would be the end of her. Yeah, that to me sounds a lot more plausible for Kentucky.

[Adam Curry]

Well, as somebody else pointed out that he wasn't doing anything for his district either. He was doing national issues. He was making a big fuzzy. He did nothing for the locals, which

[John C. Dvorak]

is the biggest problem we have in politics in America in general. Everyone's always focused on the big national stuff. Look at your own town fix stuff there. Here's a clip about Cornyn since we brought him up.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

The only way to pass the Save America act is to nuke the filibuster because you're never going to get 60

[Adam Curry]

votes because the Democrats cannot vote yes

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

for this even though they know it's common sense. But they will never win an election again if the same America act passes. So you're not going to get any Democrats to vote for it. And then look, the Democrats that are refusing or the Republicans refusing to pass this are the ones that are on their way out. Look at Senator McConnell, Senator Cassidy, Senator Tillis. And now you know what this is amazing about? What Cornyn is showing his true colors.

[Adam Curry]

This is what we were talking about

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

for the last six weeks on the show as to why Corn, Cornyn could not have another six years is because it is dangerous to have these senators that we know, hate the Trump agenda, hate maga to be in the Senate without having to knowing they're not going to run for reelection again. Because Cornyn, there was no way he's going to run for another term after this. He is too old. So right now he is proving to us exactly what he told we were

[Adam Curry]

warning you guys about.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

We need new blood and people that actually support Trump's agenda. And because these guys on their way out, they love to. Love to just obstruct what this country wants and what President Trump wants.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's interesting. I hadn't actually thought about that. Just because they've been primaried doesn't mean that they don't have a vote during. Before the midterms.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm not quite sure what the strategy is there, but they were going

[Adam Curry]

to do that vote anyway. I mean, these guys, I have no idea why anyone thinks like these guys. And the Democrats, this thinking that, oh, if we vote for this and get the voter id, then we'll never win another election. That's nonsense. The Democrat socialists, maybe. And maybe the corrupt Democrats in California and the west coast where voter by mail is the dominant feature. Maybe, yeah, some Democrats won't get elected, but getting back to the middle, the Democrats will get elected plenty of times. That's bullcrap. Well, I mean, it's a. You know, the Democrats are actually, by being this way, are admitting that they're corrupt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, they are. They are. Oh, I, I don't want to say you banged your mic cable, but sure sounds.

[Adam Curry]

No, I had to move it because I'm about to sneeze. Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you sneeze?

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, luckily, when. Because you, you did that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You said you, you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you interrupted the sneeze, which means it'll come later.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's my least favorite thing people do. Oh, bless you. They say it ahead of time. Oh, when you, when you, you got that big sneeze coming and you're. You're gearing up for it and it's.

[Adam Curry]

I've never heard anybody do that. Oh, people love doing that in advance of the sneeze.

[John C. Dvorak]

They see you going, they see you going, and then they'll say, oh, God bless you before you sneeze.

[Adam Curry]

I've never had that happen to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe it's east coast thing versus West Coast. So the big, the big thing that had everybody occupied in these past few days since our last podcast. Mask gate.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Mask gate. I can't believe your algos did not show you the mask I don't know

[Adam Curry]

what you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Internet sleuths have come up with the

[Adam Curry]

wild theory that this Fox News guest

[John C. Dvorak]

was wearing a hyper realistic mask straight out of Mission Impossible.

[Adam Curry]

Retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward has gone

[John C. Dvorak]

Viral for his May 19 interview on

[Adam Curry]

Fox News after hordes of social media

[John C. Dvorak]

users noticed what they said appeared to be an unusual shadow on the bottom of his neck. You have not seen this. You got to look this up while I'm playing this clip. You have to. The guy is Hayward. H, A W A R, D. Just go on X, type in Hayward and you'll see the mask leading to the wild theory that the contributor was wearing a hyper realistic mask.

[Adam Curry]

Many fueling the notion have pointed out

[John C. Dvorak]

that Harward is a regular contributor to the program and that in all his appearances, several of which were as recent as this month, his neck appears completely normal.

[Adam Curry]

The outlandish claim has since spread like

[John C. Dvorak]

wildfire and turned into a full blown Internet meltdown, as many couldn't help themselves. But to weigh in, left wing podcaster Ed Krassenstein joined in on the hysteria on ad. Can anyone really explain this?

[Adam Curry]

Why does it look like Fox News

[John C. Dvorak]

put a man with a mask in their show?

[Adam Curry]

He wrote, while conservative media personality. Oh, yeah, no. Okay. Just not to interrupt, but I'm interrupting. Yeah, yeah. I saw this image originally with the circle around this little area down at the bottom where it looks like a tattoo or something, and I just, I just glossed it. I didn't pay any attention to it, so I missed. I missed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, people are losing their ever loving minds almost.

[Adam Curry]

I don't see why. Looks like the same guy to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll finish the clip and I'll tell you what I think. Frequently called back to another viral Internet moment, writing that motherf er is not real.

[Adam Curry]

Others online have tried to bring the

[John C. Dvorak]

situation back down to earth by offering several possible explanations. It's a shadow, or more precisely, a

[Adam Curry]

combination of shadows from the many lights

[John C. Dvorak]

in the studio and his shirt collar, creating a weird overlap of shades on his neck. Neck, one user wrote, while another asserted that the oddity can simply be explained by a smoothing filter that caused artifacting that they noted is common on virtual calls. Even polymarket has gotten in on the

[Adam Curry]

action, allowing users to wager on the outlandish theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so what do you think, since we need to settle this for everybody?

[Adam Curry]

Well, first of all, I've, you know, these math. I know for, you know, these things are not, you know, completely without precedent. Having these masks and Some of them are pretty dynamite. There's a lot of examples online of people putting them on and what they look like. The typical, these, these masks go over the head and they, they're, they, they're pretty big in terms of what they cover up around the neck area. They go way down into the chest area. They're, they're, they're big.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so you don't. This little anomaly here does looks like bull crap to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'd like to remind people of my family member in 1967. Her husband brought someone home from work that she did not know for dinner and during coffee and dessert. This person who she did not know 1967, okay, this is when I was, what was I. I was three. So this is 58 years ago ago. This person pulled off the mask and it was someone who she knew really well. That was technology over 50 years ago.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

The technology has only gotten amazingly good. And I agree with the. Because the whole face looked kind of smoothed out. I agree with the smoothing and some anomaly that the filters brought in because on Zoom or WebEx, whatever they're using, you have a number of buttons, you know, make it high def, make it make my skin look good. And I think it was that. And also to what end? Who cares? This was.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know it's not as though Biden.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. This guy was, he was in Vietnam, I think. Who cares? Why would that, why is this even necessary? But oh no. Oh no, everyone's. Oh, this is it.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I agree with you. Yeah, who cares? It's bull crap. It's not, you know, it's not the president. It's not like, you know, Hillary. It's not like, you know, anybody important in, in that regard. I mean, the guy's important to himself and to the show, I guess, but it's beside the point. Who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so it was just.

[Adam Curry]

No, I missed it. I missed it completely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's just like, come on, people. No, no, no. Now Biden definitely Daddy Long legs, no doubt about it. I mean that was a whole different dude who was running across the White House.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know the story behind that, the current story, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, I don't. What's the current story?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the latest story was that a Biden impersonator was hired sometime during the administration to do a bit on the show. And they like, he was so good and they liked him so much, they decided to use him as a substitute Biden every so often. And then he got moved into a full time position.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's the story now, is it?

[Adam Curry]

That's the story now. Yes. That's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's, let's break apart Another, another misconception by people. This is, let me see. This was the shooting at the White House. Near the White House. It was an interesting little story about this that, you know, that I think people should think about because all. I'll get into it. Let's play this first. We're getting some new details about the shooting that took place on the corner of 17th street and Pennsylvania Avenue at about 6pm Eastern Time. Let's cross over now to our senior law enforcement correspondent. Mark Santillo has more details. Mark, what have you learned?

[Adam Curry]

Just from two sources briefed on the incident as well as an internal law enforcement document. We know now that the set of suspect is Nasir Best, who was transported to George Washington Hospital as his Secret Service said he has passed away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, the first thing that happened online was they started showing a picture of one of those crazy trans, trans dudes which was, you know, from, I don't know, years ago, saying, oh yeah, it's another trans shooter. Everything on social media is fake. You just, that, that is the, that's how you have to look at everything. Everything is fake. Nothing is real. It's really not even worth your time. But that was the first thing that showed up. And it's actually, it's a black guy.

[Adam Curry]

The suspect previously approached the White House. There was interaction in the past between the suspect and law enforcement. In June of 2025, there was an

[John C. Dvorak]

order for him to stay away from the White House.

[Adam Curry]

That incident in June of 2025 from an internal law enforcement document. According to sources, it happened on July

[John C. Dvorak]

last summer near the White House.

[Adam Curry]

An officer in police uniform, full police uniform, was working at a pedestrian access

[John C. Dvorak]

control post at the White House when he observed Best the suspect walk into

[Adam Curry]

a restricted area by using the exit turnstile lane that was located at the post. And apparently that restricted area had multiple suspensions signs there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amen stating do not enter exit only police line, do not cross pass holders and appointments only.

[Adam Curry]

Again, this was near the White House area. The suspect was immediately told to stop. The suspect did not listen to the verbal commands from the officer, did not stop and continued to go further into the restricted area. The suspect was arrested.

[John C. Dvorak]

According to multiple sources.

[Adam Curry]

The suspect had no prior arrest arrests at that time. The suspect claimed he was Jesus Christ

[John C. Dvorak]

and he wanted to quote, arrested.

[Adam Curry]

The suspect has a history of mental health issues.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, suspect known to United States Secret

[Adam Curry]

Service for walking around the White House

[John C. Dvorak]

Area complex, inquiring how to gain access, and was taken into custody last year,

[Adam Curry]

again, the suspect being named as Nasir Best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so one of the things that I keep hearing about, AI Data centers, and this has become almost a meme, people are saying, well, you know, they're building all these data centers so that they can store all of your information to spy on you with Palantir and the Flock cameras. Have you heard this?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is Washington, D.C. this is the White House.

[Adam Curry]

Also. Shotspotters. Gotta go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that's. That's. That's. That's kind of out of the picture. But it's the Flock cameras. It's Palantir. They're tracking you. They're tracking everything. Now, the people who are tracking you are. You're paying money to you, your Google and your Apple and, you know, the Microsoft. These are the people tracking you. You can just buy that information. But if it really was true that they're surveilling you on everything, how does this guy. Who the law enforcement knew about him. Him. They knew that he had mental problems. They already warned him, got a restraining order. So they're not tracking this guy. They're not tracking it with Palantir doing Minority Report with Flock cameras and his phone and everything and storing it in your local data center. Can we just get a reality check on this for a minute? It's not happening. They're not that good. They buy.

[Adam Curry]

They're not that good.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not that good.

[Adam Curry]

They are tracking, but they're not that good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not that good.

[Adam Curry]

That's the point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course they're tracking, but, yeah, they are not.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, this is what happened with the 9 11. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Well, all these guys were under some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whatever that was. Well, all of them. That may have been a different. Dancing is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yes, but let's just assume that we're gonna go ahead with the official thing. Yeah, because. The official thing. Why would you do the official thing? That just indicates your boneheads. I mean, the official story indicates that you're incompetent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Why would you do that? Oh, we're dumb. I don't know. To throw everybody off track would give us more money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. There you go. And then another one. So I really like this. And I've dealt with immigration, and.

[Adam Curry]

By the way. Wait, stop. Before you leave the topic, I thought it was interesting that we had the different reactions to the gunshots. There's like, 30 shots, and I don't know what they hit. They never told us. Did it hit the White House. Were they just in the air? Who knows? But there was a Chinese broadcaster, and she ditched. Ditched everything and ran under a table immediately. And then there was some dipshit, you know, Wesley girl. That's going.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I actually have the clip of her. Hold on a second. Second.

[Adam Curry]

The Wesley girl. Watch that. What is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is her. We witnessed a tense moment at the White House late yesterday.

[Adam Curry]

Our Selena Wang was there. And Selena joins me now from the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, Selena, you were there. As shots rang out, clearly audible. I want to play a little bit

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

of that scene that President Trump has said. A deal is close only for the two sides to remain far apart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that was the one. Now, you're right. That was the one who. Who had to go. Well, I think she actually said something about it.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on. Going on for quite some time. What was going on?

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Yeah, John. I mean, this shooting was actually happening just meters from where I'm standing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meters.

[Adam Curry]

Meters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meters. Since when do we use meters?

[Adam Curry]

A good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why? Meters. Meters.

[Adam Curry]

She's a Chinese spy. Time. What was going on?

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Yeah, John. I mean, this shooting was actually happening just meters from where I'm standing right now. And in that video you played, that is the exact place where I'm here right now. I was preparing to go live for World News Tonight. And you notice in the video that I continue talking for the first few seconds of those gunshots because my initial thought was this must be fireworks or something else. Then I heard to get down. So the team and I, we immediately dropped to the ground, ducked and covered. Then we heard circumstances. Secret Service calling for us to move to sprint to the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Anyway, moving on. So I got a. One of our knights sent me a very long email. He said, you shouldn't be so glib about the Muslims. Okay?

[Adam Curry]

You're glib about the Muslims.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that, you know. Well, he. He was kind of misstating it because this. This is more. I said, dude, I don't know what you're talking about. Because he was saying, these foreigners coming in. I'm doing an accent. These foreigners coming in. They're taking away jobs from our kids. All the H1B visas. I said, first of all, we're talking about something else. But right as I'm reading this email, this new policy comes out, which I think is a dynamite policy for the United States, which. Which takes care, in one fell swoop of all the issues about H1B visas. And I really like it. And I've been dealing with immigration in the US for 30, more than 30 years. I've made many people legal. Some I was married to, some not. But this is a very good policy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the Trump administration announcing a major

[John C. Dvorak]

shift in how it processes green card applications moving forward.

[Adam Curry]

Non immigrants in the US Are going

[John C. Dvorak]

to have to return to their home countries. Scripps News legal affairs correspondent Abbajoy Burnett is looking into this chain. So, Avajoy, who would be impacted by it?

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Quite a few people, a couple thousand people, maybe hundreds of thousands, according to some immigration attorneys, could be impacted here. This is a new memo that was released by the Department of Homeland Security under US and according to officials in the Trump administration, according to this memo, they say people who are here in the United States want to apply for a green card. They must leave the United States, head back to their home countries and apply for the green cards from outside of the United States. This memo was issued late last evening, but we started to see more details on what reactions were like earlier today. And some of the people who could potentially be impacted here are students, people who came to the United States as students. There could be people who are here as temporary workers and even tourists. And here's what an official with USCIS. This is the U.S. citizenship and Immigration Services. This is what a spokesperson for that agency, which is under dhs. This is what they said with regards to this new memo that has been really getting quite some attention. They said we are returning to the original intent of the law to ensure aliens navigate our nation's immigration systems properly. From now on, an alien who is in the US Temporarily and wants a green card must return to their home country to apply, except for in extraordinary circumstances.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, this is good. And I don't know if people understand how this is going to impact the H1B. And of course, the people who do H1B immigration visas, temporary visas, they're all flipping out about it. But here's the explanation of how this will actually impact them. And we have to presume that the only way this will work is if the U.S. uCIS, if they was it UCI. Yeah, the U.S. the immigration services, they have to have enough people and systems to actually handle this. But I've done this. I've had to arrange a green card with someone going back to their country of origin. And it took a few weeks, but it's not impossible. And if they make that system work that way, it's going to be very good. Particularly for those of you worried about H1B visa holders taking your kids jobs,

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

some of the attorneys who I spoke with earlier today, they weren't as concerned about what this actually means. One person told me they are pretty sure people will be able to continue to apply for that green card status. But then there are other attorneys who were really concerned. They said that they've been getting many calls from their clients. Some of those clients are extremely alarmed, and they're talking about people who have family members here. There are folks who are working here in the United States. They may be married to US citizens, they may be here on an H1B visa where they're able to work. So pretty much they have set up lives here in the United States, and they're going through this process of applying for a green card. So they're now wondering what is next for us. Take a listen to what one of those attorneys told me.

[Adam Curry]

Who does this impact?

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Right, it's family members of US Citizens, the immediate relatives of them, so their spouses, their parents, their children. It impacts. It includes people who are here working with US Employers who are in the process or in, like, legal status working and are in the process of applying for their green card, which can take decades. So it gives them a temporary way to stay here so they're not upended and their work is not upended. And that attorney with the American Immigration's Lawyers association, she told me that this is something that could potentially impact hundreds of thousands of folks. For example, back in fiscal year 2023, this is where we have the most recent data. About 600,000 people were in line applying for their green card, going through that process. This is a process that could potentially take months or even years. So we're talking about the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people who are waiting and they're now wondering what does this actual mean for them. We've been told that there's a possibility that lawsuits could be filed, really to push back against the Trump administration and prevent people from being forced to leave the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think it's good. This is the way it should be. This is how it worked in the past. And we got a bunch of Democrat presidents, administrations, and they made it way too easy. This is how it used to be. And you can get, I think probably for marriage, you probably can get a parole, I think, is what they call it for some reason. And then you can go back quickly and come back in, but it's going to help the system see who really should be here and who shouldn't be. An H1B is just, it's temporary. In, out, gone. None of this, like, oh, well, you know, now I married this person. And, and now I want a green card. And I'll just stay here. And I'll stay here forever until it's processed. This is good.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's talk about Tulsi Gabbard quitting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah. This, this is another one.

[Adam Curry]

This is a very big disappointment for you. I liked her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, it's, it's.

[Adam Curry]

I thought she was good in the position. She was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

She broke the thing about Obama being, you know, a horrible person, and nothing came of it. So here's the two clips I have. NBC tonight, as the president weighs resuming the US War with Iran, his top intelligence official says she is resigning. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, writing, her husband, quote, has recently been diagnosed

[John C. Dvorak]

with an extremely rare form of bone

[Adam Curry]

cancer, saying I must step away from public service to be by his side and fully support him through this battle. The president posting that Gabbard has done an incredible job and we will miss her. An army veteran and former Democratic congresswoman,

[John C. Dvorak]

Gabbard broke with her party to endorse Trump in 2024.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

I invite you to join me in doing all that we can to save our country and elect President Donald J. Trump.

[Adam Curry]

But as his director of national intelligence,

[John C. Dvorak]

Gabbard never fully made it into the

[Adam Curry]

president's inner circle, clashing with administration officials, including the CIA director, and often absent at pivotal decision points.

[John C. Dvorak]

For years.

[Adam Curry]

An outspoken opponent of American wars in the Middle east, going to war with

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Iran would make the war in Iraq and even Afghanistan look like a picnic.

[Adam Curry]

Recently, Gabbard struggled to defend the president's attack on Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you still believe that war with

[Adam Curry]

Iran would be so costly and devastating

[John C. Dvorak]

that it would make our wars in

[Adam Curry]

Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic?

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Once again, in this role, it is essential that I do not allow any of my personal views on any issues to color or bias the intelligence report.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it is a disappointment. I'm with you on that.

[Adam Curry]

Part two, a person familiar with the

[John C. Dvorak]

discussions telling NBC News that Gabbard's allies had pushed her to resign over the

[Adam Curry]

war with Iran, but she declined. Earlier this year, the president was asked

[John C. Dvorak]

about his confidence in Gabbard.

[Adam Curry]

I would say that I'm very strong in the fact that I don't want to Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I think she's probably a little bit softer on that issue, but that's okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some people are, oh, so they're insinuating she was pushed out and this is the excuse? Is that what's happening here?

[Adam Curry]

That's what they're insinuating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Most people aren't.

[Adam Curry]

Garrett.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of this as President Trump says he's considering new strikes against Iran.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Sam, he's given this weekend as

[John C. Dvorak]

a loose deadline for potential resumption of airstrikes.

[Adam Curry]

And we've just learned that not only will the president not attend his son's wedding, but he's also canceled planned travel to his club in New Jersey and

[John C. Dvorak]

will instead remain at the White House this weekend. Yeah, I see people on all sides of the political spectrum saying, oh, it's just an excuse like you. Really, that's really rude towards Tulsi Gabbard. If she wanted to quit, I'm pretty sure she'd just quit.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. She's not a bullshit artist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now here's Ms. Now, this is the. Let's see what they say.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

I'm gonna put you on the spot. And. And I apologize for that, David, but we, we just got this posting from Donald Trump on Truth Social, as was predicted by Jake Traylor, and I'm going to read it in full. But it also talks about who's going to be taking over, at least in the interim for Tulsi Gabbard. A guy named Aaron Lucas. But let me read the post.

[Adam Curry]

A guy named.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Unfortunately, after having done a great job, Tulsi Gabbard will be leaving the administration on June 30th. Her wonderful husband.

[Adam Curry]

Stop it. Stop the clip. I gotta go back on that.

[John C. Dvorak]

A guy named Aaron Lucas.

[Adam Curry]

So you don't, you don't refer. Normally you would just say his name. Well, what his position is. But the way to say a guy named, as if it's like, I don't know, some guy named. Blah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they're gonna follow up with who he is.

[Adam Curry]

But beside the point. It's a disrespectful way of presenting it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also, so you'll hear in this clip, she's going to be leaving June 30, which is, I guess she has a transition period while she's helping her husband. So it wasn't immediate.

[Adam Curry]

I know she didn't walk out in a huff.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, she did not.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

In full. But it also talks about who's going to be taking over, at least in the interim for Tulsi Gabbard, a guy named Aaron Lucas. But let me read the post it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right. That is funny.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Unfortunately, after having done a great job, Tulsi Gabbard will be leaving the administration on June 30th. Her wonderful husband Abraham has been recently diagnosed with a rare form of bone Cancer. And she rightfully wants to be with him, bringing him back to good health. As they currently fight a tough battle together, I have no doubt he will soon be better than ever. Tulsi has done an incredible job and we will miss her. Her highly respected principal, Deputy Director of National National Intelligence Aaron Lucas will served as Acting Director of National Intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, let's find out who Aaron is.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

I'm looking at his bio, but he's a seasoned intelligence professional, a former CIA Chief of Station. Do you know anything else about him? Can you give us any more insights?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's a guy and he's named Aaron.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Into this guy, Aaron Lucas.

[John C. Dvorak]

She does it again.

[Adam Curry]

This does it again. A guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the point? What is the point?

[Adam Curry]

Who's this guy? Who is this guy? I'm looking now. I mean he's was confirmed by the Senate in a sort of party line vote. But there was. I think he is experienced and I want to give him a chance. I don't, I don't know him specifically in his background very well and I

[John C. Dvorak]

would sort of agree with Mark here. The key player there's no good is

[Adam Curry]

going to be John Ratcliffe.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there'll be someone in that position.

[Adam Curry]

But one of the problems is that another key person, the Director of the National Counterintelligence center resigned because in opposition

[John C. Dvorak]

to the war with Iraq. So you now have no Senate confirmed

[Adam Curry]

Director of National Intelligence. You'll have an acting in that position. And the nctc. Wait, stop. Didn't he just a few seconds ago say that he used the term long party lines? They confirmed this guy, Aaron.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well how now is he saying there's no confirmed? What are you talking about? That's either confirmed or it's not. No, no, the long party lines.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he's. Let's listen again, hold on. With Iraq. So you now have no Senate confirmed

[Adam Curry]

Director of National Intelligence. You'll have an acting in that position. And the NCTC position is empty as well. So it's not great to have, have Joe Kent had resigned from the position of national. The Director of the National Counterterrorism Center. That is underneath the odni, that's underneath Gabbard's old office. So this kind of vacancy and changes while the US is at war, you know, is not great. And I, I want to reemphasize. There should have been an intelligence assessment. How would Iran respond to being bombed? Would Iran try to seize control of Straight Hormuz? And I'm just saying this for viewers and that has to Be an incredibly factual, rigorous assessment. Not. Stop it again. Who says there wasn't

[John C. Dvorak]

ms?

[Adam Curry]

Who says there wasn't ms?

[John C. Dvorak]

Now they're making.

[Adam Curry]

Just make it up as they go along. He doesn't know one way or the other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they make it up as they go along. Yes. In fact, I'm quite sure they're getting most of their news off of X like everybody else. That's where that is.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know how anyone can watch this crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's our job, John.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm saying Ms. Now is a deplorable operation. Politics or, you know, the wishes of the President. Frankly, it's important for intelligence analysts to

[John C. Dvorak]

speak truth to power because there was

[Adam Curry]

a mistake in that. This war. We didn't seem to anticipate that Iran would close the Strait of Hormuz. And you know, you've now had.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't know that at all.

[Adam Curry]

Gone for now. That is possible. That we. Exactly what we wanted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Months in a global energy crisis. So that's why having stability and nonpartisan people in these jobs is so important.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it's nonpartisan people.

[Adam Curry]

Nonpartisan. I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this, this is one of these guys who's, you know, he's a contributor, so he wants to be contributing, wants to keep contributing. So he's got to, he's got to say things that they want to hear the contributors say. I get it. He's just doing his job. I thought I had. Yeah, I had like a Fox version of this story. Let me listen.

[Adam Curry]

I want to move to this because

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

there's some big news that happened last night. We learned that Tulsi Gabbard, DNI director,

[Adam Curry]

has put in her resignation. And part of it is because. Or the reason she says she is resigning is her husband Abraham has come down with a rare form of bone cancer. Those of us who know her and her husband, they are the most amazing

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

people, are heartbroken over this. And yet I want you to watch

[Adam Curry]

this montage of how the Democrats they're

[John C. Dvorak]

doing super cuts now have reacted to, to this news. This is the fourth woman to leave the administration in the past few months.

[Adam Curry]

The impact on US Foreign policy, I think it's basically irrelevant. She was entirely out of the loop on decision making.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

This was because basically she's just not in sync with this administration. This is why her initials DNI became Do Not Invite.

[Adam Curry]

You know, probably one of the worst,

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

worst things that I've read.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, I'm, I'm pretty sure that this is a real Resignation for those reasons. I think she was having a good time. I think she actually.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she was. Seemed to be. She was on a lot of podcasts and she was yakking it up and she seemed competent and she did the thing about Obama which nobody followed up on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

And that was a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here is just to remind everybody this is what she did. She did this years ago. Declassified by the Office of the Director

[Adam Curry]

of National Intelligence yesterday and released publicly just moments ago is an exchange of

[John C. Dvorak]

emails initiated by Michael S. Rogers, the

[Adam Curry]

four star Admiral, now retired.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you ever hear this? I never really, really heard this one about. We liked Rogers. Admiral Rogers, who was running the nsa.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he was a good guy and

[John C. Dvorak]

he was the one that said, hey, this FBI guy's, you know, pulling all kinds of stuff.

[Adam Curry]

They're spying on you, dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're spying on you, man. But I never heard about this. This is about the intelligence assessment, which is very bad for Clapper, who headed

[Adam Curry]

the National Security Agency in the second Obama term. Rogers wrote to his boss, boss, then Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, in

[John C. Dvorak]

late December of 2016 to say that

[Adam Curry]

he, the Admiral had just returned from overseas travel and had received an update on our efforts to produce a joint product related to Russian attribution and intent

[John C. Dvorak]

for the DNC DCCC hacks. I know that this activity is on a fast track, Rogers wrote, to put together a product that can be provided to the President. I asked my team if they'd had

[Adam Curry]

sufficient access to the underlying intelligence and sufficient time to review that intelligence. On both points, Rogers said my team raised concerns.

[John C. Dvorak]

My folks aren't fully comfortable saying they've

[Adam Curry]

had enough time to review all of

[John C. Dvorak]

the intelligence to be absolutely confident in their assessments, he wrote.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not saying that we disagree substantively, but I do want to make sure

[John C. Dvorak]

that when we are asked in the

[Adam Curry]

future whether we can absolutely stand up

[John C. Dvorak]

behind the paper, that we don't have any reason to hesitate because of the process.

[Adam Curry]

If the intent is to create an integrated product, Rogers said, that is CIA,

[John C. Dvorak]

FBI, NSA jointly authored that we can all defend. We need a process that allows us all to be comfortable and I'm concerned we are not there yet if NSA

[Adam Curry]

is intended to be a co author of this product, Rogers said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also, I personally expect to see even

[Adam Curry]

the most sensitive evidence related to the conclusion. If your intent is to create a

[John C. Dvorak]

CIA only or CIA FBI authored product, then Rogers concluded, I will stand down on these concerns. Have you ever heard about this, about

[Adam Curry]

this particular no, not at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a part two to this which really, really nails Clapper.

[Adam Curry]

On that email.

[John C. Dvorak]

Admiral Rogers cc'd. FBI Director James Comey seen at screen

[Adam Curry]

left, and CIA Director John Brennan seen in screen right, flanking the dni.

[John C. Dvorak]

James Clapper seated in the middle for

[Adam Curry]

their joint congressional testimony.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ten months before this email, in February of 2016, Director Clapper took a little

[Adam Curry]

over 12 hours to reply to Admiral

[John C. Dvorak]

Rogers, and when he did, he addressed

[Adam Curry]

Brennan and Comey as well, suggesting they too.

[John C. Dvorak]

During those 12 hours, privately expressed views similar to those of Rogers.

[Adam Curry]

Clapper began. Mike, John, Jim, understand your concern. It.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is essential that we CIA, nsa,

[Adam Curry]

FBI, ODNI be on the same page, Clapper wrote, and we're all supportive of

[John C. Dvorak]

the report in the highest tradition of that's our story and we're sticking to it, quote unquote. This evening, Clapper continued, CIA has provided

[Adam Curry]

to the National Intelligence Council the complete draft generated by the ad hoc fusion cell.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will facilitate as much mutual transparency

[Adam Curry]

as possible possible as we complete the report. But time, Clapper warned, is not negotiable.

[John C. Dvorak]

We may have to compromise on our

[Adam Curry]

normal modalities since we must do this on such a compressed timetable.

[John C. Dvorak]

This, Clapper concluded, is one project that has to be a team sport.

[Adam Curry]

Gym.

[John C. Dvorak]

This latest declassification by Director Tulsi Gabbard's

[Adam Curry]

office comes after she referred these matters

[John C. Dvorak]

to the Justice Department for additional investigation.

[Adam Curry]

And Attorney General Pam Bondi then directed the impanelement of a federal grand jury in Florida.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Clapper, we always knew this guy was the loser. Yeah, he's the one that screws it all up, and he did. Oh, well, you know, we have. The timeline is important, so we may have to go away from our regular modalities. That is. Just write something up. I think this is more smoking gun than people realize.

[Adam Curry]

I think so, too. But then I, you know, went over to Bondi, that was the end of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, no, no, it's. No, Bondi referred it to. No, no, no, no. I think de Genoa is doing that stuff in Florida. Isn't that de Genoa? Isn't he running that? I think so.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. De Geno and his wife.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

What? The sealed indictments guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

No, that guy's not even in the picture.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is. He is. Is. Yes, he is. De Genoa. Let me see. Yes, yes, you're. I'm telling you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you can be telling me all you want. I want some evidence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm looking. I thought I had a clip about him. Joe degener.

[Adam Curry]

I know Gork is back in the picture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what's he doing?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know, but somebody mentioned he's part of the administration now doing some Sebastian Gorka.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I'm gonna have here Clapper. I'm telling you it was. I'm telling you is de Genoa and

[Adam Curry]

you were having a vivid dream.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. Hold on a second. Let's, let's ask the Book of Knowledge. That'll do it. Let me see. Where is. Oh, man, there we go. Where is his. Out. Okay, so Book of Knowledge. Yes. Hopefully this will work. Book of Knowledge. Is Joe de Genoa involved in the grand jury in Florida about Russiagate? It's a long, long, long search for the Book of Knowledge. According to the Book of Knowledge. Joe digionova will oversee the spygate probe in Florida after the DOJ removed a deep state prosecutor and is heading up a Florida based federal investigation into former federal officials who investigated Trump. He assumes leadership of the ongoing grand jury probe based in Fort Pierce, with the investigation being overseen by U.S. attorney Jason Redding Quinones and using a grand jury run by Judge Eileen Cannon. Thus it has been written. Told you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's gonna go nowhere then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's a possibility, but some for some reason they brought him back in.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, to kill it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll see, we'll see, we'll see.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I got two clips here. I want of I do us have a clip blitz if we have time for it. Oh, goodness. Let's do the newer UFO files. Just released an NBC clip.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Yes, New newly released UFO files like this one in Kazakhstan. A mysterious object lighting up the night sky. Other videos showing pulsing balls of light flying erratically and seeming to defy laws of physics, some even appearing to fly in formations. Part of the Pentagon's release of more than 50 declassified videos and firsthand accounts following President Trump's directive to release government UFO files.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very bright particles.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

The files include audio of astronauts decades ago describing mysterious bright lights and particles.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a whole bunch of big ones on my weather that are just bright. Looks like the Fourth of July outro. That's literally from Gemini 7, which is like, you know, I don't know, was I even born when this came out?

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Out from last year. In an encounter that lasted over an hour, a US intelligence officer reported oval shaped orange orbs coming within 10ft of a US helicopter splitting in two and speeding away, leaving military and intelligence professionals speechless. Other videos may have an explanation here. A US F16 fighter jet shoots down an object Over Michigan's Lake Huron in 2023, the same day the Pentagon said it shot down a possible Chinese spy balloon over that lake. Experts tell us no, least so far proves any.

[Adam Curry]

Stop. The spy balloon wasn't shot down over Lake Huron. It was shot down over the Atlantic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there were two spy balloons, weren't there?

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember two. All I remember is the one that they let go floating all over the place. It was a daily news item. And then once it got to the Atlantic, they shot it down with a missile.

[John C. Dvorak]

With a million dollar missile.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think there was another one that floated down and that's how they figured out it was from China. Pretty sure there was another one, but it wasn't. Shame. Well, hey, don't make me consult the book of knowledge Object.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Over Michigan's Lake Huron in 2023, the same day the Pentagon said it shot down a possible Chinese spy balloon over that lake. Experts tell us no video released so far proves any extraterrestrial visit.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's nothing in any of these that proves anything about alien life. All it shows you is that there's stuff in the sky that initially can't be explained.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

This was the Pentagon's second release of UFO files and expected to roll out the next one in the coming weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm pretty sure that we are only. What are we now? Two and a half weeks away from Steven Spielberg's disclosure day.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And the releases will end after the movie does its thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes, it probably will. I'll see if I had any. No, I just.

[Adam Curry]

Let's go to the next item, which is the Ebola update. BBC.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yes. This is interesting. Health officials in the Democratic Republic of Congo say the current Ebola outbreak has resulted in more than 200 deaths in three provinces. Earlier on Saturday, the government suspended all flights to and from one of the epicenters, the northeastern city of Bunia. Thomas Nardi reports. It's unusual for the DRC government to suspend flights during an Ebola outbreak. Previously, airline operators have made this decision for themselves. The Transport Ministry said the measure was to prevent any cross border spread of the epidemic and to guarantee the health and safety of passengers, crews and airport staff. The Transport Ministry did not say it was banning humanitarian, medical or emergency flights, but that these will be assessed and will require approval from health and aviation authorities. The Democratic Republic of Congo's football team say they will not change their preparations for next month's World cup despite being told to isolate by the United States because of the Ebola outbreak.

[Adam Curry]

A White House official said the squad

[John C. Dvorak]

needed to remain in a bubble for 21 days before traveling to the U.S. i love the bubble. But a Congolese spokesperson said all the players were based outside the DRC and their plans remained the same. Well, since you brought it up, I've got our scarf lady back again. She's still in the news.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Deborah Burks, the WHO rather says there are now almost 750 suspected cases in the Congo, around the Congo, and nearly 200 deaths. How does the severity of this situation compare to previous outbreaks? Well, the problem with this particular outbreak is there was probably two, three or four cycles of infection before it was even reported. And so a lot of the numbers you're seeing and the rapid rise of the numbers is because it went undetected and I underreported for probably three or four weeks. That resulted in a lot of case reporting all at once. And so I can't really tell you what the slope of new cases are, which is really the important thing when you're following an acute infectious disease. But just to make it very clear to your audience, the people we are seeing today that are cases were probably infected two weeks ago. And so I think that's what makes us all concerned, is we're looking at this virus and this outbreak with really old data data.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I'm only playing her clips because she for one said something that was interesting and a little counterintuitive to the narrative. And this is on cbs.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

As you know, in the past year and a half, the Trump administration has largely dismantled U.S. aid. It has withdrawn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on, Deborah, blame it.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I had this clip. Well, you don't blame in USAID for everything.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

But wait, from the World Health Organization, it cut funding to the Congo and Uganda. Do you think that those moves contributed to the delay in reporting this outbreak and are they contributing to the lack of supplies in dealing with the outbreak in the Congo?

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, do you really have this clip or do you have a clip like.

[Adam Curry]

No, I had it. I didn't have that exact clip, but I had a clip where they're blaming USAID because obviously it's our job to keep the Congo from getting Ebola and it's our job to monitor the Congo and the Congolese themselves and everybody in Africa. They got nothing to do with anything because they're too stupid. So USAID has to be there and it's been gutted by Trump. So this whole thing is Trump's fault.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what she's angling for are Nancy Cordell, but BIRX has A different story.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Well, when I look what the administration has done recently, I think they put 50, $100 million out there immediately and sent people. That's part of the response. I think the bigger question to me is a lot of us in the global community.

[John C. Dvorak]

The global community. John. John, are you and I in the global community? Should we be in the. Are you in the global.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's possible sometimes maybe we touch on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the global community.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

A lot of us in the global community invested extensively in creating the African cdc. For this very reason, for this very response, hundreds of millions of dollars went into building laboratory capacity in the DRC at the African cdc. And for some reason that failed us. And so what we need to do is figure out, aha.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we put hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars in the global community into the African cdc. So we paid for it, our CDC in Africa. And for some reason it fell.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Aha. Drought. Why didn't we detect this earlier? Why didn't the institutions that we all stood up as a global community effectively control this outbreak early?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I think you guys are just there to spread disease. You're not actually there to combat it

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

so that it didn't spread as far and wide as it has within the drc. I understand it's a conflict area, but we have to do better. We owe it to the people in the drc.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now listen to what she says about usaid. This. It completely destroys the narrative.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

I hear what you're saying about the fact that the money is now flowing from the US to the region. But we talked to aid workers in the region as well who said that a lot of local programs were terminated after USAID was dismantled. Programs aimed at Ebola preparedness and response. And so they just don't have the same capacity as they did before.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

I think it's a great.

[Adam Curry]

Is this cbs?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

So this is Ellison's crowd. And this is. What's her name? Barry Weiss. Yeah. And they're. And they're. And they're on the side of like re. Rearming USAID and a scam that it is with the money laundering that goes on with that thing. This is cbs. Why. Why is Nancy Cordison even have a job?

[John C. Dvorak]

They are only doing what Israel tells them to do, John. Don't you know that?

[Adam Curry]

Because Larry Ellison, she talk about leading the witness.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

But listen to the answer as they did before. I think it's a great question and we need to really look at that. I know CDC's global health security Program was Retained and a lot of that funding retained. I know we had people in Kinshasa as part of the cdc. If you look at the Uganda funding now, I'm looking at it from the HIV side, which really built a lot of the laboratory capacity this year. They're getting over $400 million. So maybe there was a 5% cut. But I think the American people were thinking that these programs had been slashed. If you look at the MOUs, the agreements that the US government have been made, I've actually been reassured by the numbers that are there on page.

[Adam Curry]

Ha. Gotcha.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Deborah Burks. Unexpected.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was good. That's a great. I'm giving you a clip of the day for that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am going to accept it with great honor. If I could find my clip of the day. Yes, with great honor.

[Adam Curry]

Great honor. Look for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, I found it. There's the clip of the day. Got a note from one of our producers. Boots on the Ground says you guys recently mentioned a lawsuit against an AI company where kid asked if it was okay to mix Xanax with Kratom.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, I am aware of this claim because I'm in a couple of pro Kratom groups now. We have to say we have a producer who makes Kratom drinks. He has sent me these Kratom drinks.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even know what Kratom is.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a plant. The Indians chew this all the time.

[Adam Curry]

It's Indians or American Indians?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, Indians. Indians.

[Adam Curry]

Indian. In India.

[John C. Dvorak]

India. In India, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. It's like. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they extract the SAP and they do all kinds of stuff. Yeah, they chew it. And I remember our producer sent me like 24 bottles and the post office was all mad because three of them had exploded in the box. It was a huge mess. Huge mess. But I drank one or two.

[Adam Curry]

What did it do to you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it gives you a little minor body buzz, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Body buzz?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Little body buzz was. And when we were talking about this is years ago, people were saying that they had been hooked on heroin, they had all kinds of drug dependency issues, and Kratom was in fact what was responsible for them getting off of that. And it's a natural product now. There is a synthesized version, which is not what our producers are talking about. So this producer's in a lot of pro Kratom groups. I just recently noticed that they. This is the same case that led to Kratom being banned in Tennessee, where I sit at this very moment. The part this AI lawsuit and the Tennessee ban both leave out is that the kid was. This is what the kids do. Maybe it's a TikTok challenge. The kids want to see the hat man, quote, unquote, the hat man by taking in so insane doses of. Of Benadryl, an act that leads to hallucination. So the implication here from our producers that it was the overdosing on Benadryl that made the kid kill himself, not the Kratom and not the Xanax. But, man, it sure did contribute to that law being passed.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Covering the state capitol now Tennessee passes a full ban on what's also often referred to as gas station heroin after ongoing debate over the effects of Kratom. Kratom is derived from a Southeast Asian plant, and supporters say when it's in its natural form, Kratom can help curb opioid addiction and manage pain.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it makes total sense that we would ban that plant because can't get involved with the drug companies now, can we?

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

But Tennessee legislators sided with caution this week, aligning with advocates, advocates who say kratom in any form can lead to addiction and even deadly overdoses. Tennessee now joins eight other states in banning Kratom entirely, even in its natural form.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's the problem. So banning the natural plants.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you gotta read the end of the guy's note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's all I had in my. What is. What did he have at the end of his note?

[Adam Curry]

The end of the note was he got ahold of the toxicology report on the kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry. Yes, he did. He got ahold of the toxicology report.

[Adam Curry]

Well, read that. That's the best part.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't have that in my notes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Well, I'll just tell you what it says.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he had four times the.

[Adam Curry]

Four times the lethal dose of Benadryl in his system.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so I had almost everything except for the punchline. Well, I hand back my clip of the day.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

This bill addresses the growing public health and safety concerns surrounding crisis Kratom. Often marketed as a natural supplement. But natural does not mean safe. The Kratom plant has been used as an alternative to opioids, a way to wean addicts off heroin, and as a natural way to relieve pain. But in recent years, Kratom has been modified into a stronger synthetic form known as 7 hydroxy or 7 oh. Often sold at gas stations and vape shops as a supplement or extract. Experts say 7oH is 13 more times potent than morphine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay, so there's a synthetic version, which obviously is a problem. But the plant itself, I mean, I think that should be investigated. Where is RFK Jr? This should be investigated because I've heard

[Adam Curry]

this guy's got enough problems.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've heard nothing but positive things. Nothing but positive things about Cross Kratom. The plant, not the vape shop, gas station, heroin or whatever they're calling it. So.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I've heard nothing. 33 Rad. 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clip blitz. Clip blitz. All right, clip blitz. What are we doing?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's start with voting rights and athletes.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

The NAACP is urging black athletes who are being recruited by public universities in states, weakening the power of black voters to not commit to going to those schools until those state governments restore fair congressional maps. The civil rights group is targeting eight states in the south where major college football and basketball programs made up of mostly black players rake in big money. The NAACP is also asking college athletes to elevate the issue and call on leaders to speak out against racial redistricting. It's also urging alumni, donors and fans to withhold fighting financial support. Several Republican led states are racing to redraw congressional districts in an effort to flip seats, effectively diluting black voting power.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah, that's gonna work. Screw the black athletes. Steve Hilton head.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steve Hilton head in the clip blitz. What is going on with the clip blitz?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Steve Hilton, who are being recruited.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a long lead into the eclipse.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

The NAACP is urging black athletes who are being recru by public.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's not. Yeah, where's Hilton Head?

[Adam Curry]

All right, skip it. Go ahead and lift. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Hold on. Let's try it again. Hold on. Don't move. Republican commentator Steve Hilton and former health secretary Javier Becerra, a Democrat, continue to

[Adam Curry]

lead the primary for California governor.

[John C. Dvorak]

KQED politics correspondent Guy Marzirati has more on a new survey from the state Democratic Party.

[Adam Curry]

The poll finds Hilton leading the pack with the support of 22% of likely voters voters. Becerra is in second with 21%, followed by investor Tom Steyer with 15%. Thirteen percent of voters remain undecided just two weeks before the June 2 primary. The survey could ease some Democrats fears

[John C. Dvorak]

about two Republicans advancing to November under

[Adam Curry]

the state's top two primary. It finds Hilton has opened a comfortable

[John C. Dvorak]

lead over Riverside county sheriff Chad Bianco. We got to make it illegal. Make it illegal. That can't happen. We can't have that happen. All right, clip blitz.

[Adam Curry]

Lyft driver used AI photos to the index. A father from Boca Raton, Florida claiming a Lyft driver used AI photos to falsely accuse his teen daughters of damaging his car. Charging a $75 fee, they sent the

[John C. Dvorak]

father photos, but at the bottom right, the Gemini logo.

[Adam Curry]

Now, Gemini is Google's age AI assistant

[John C. Dvorak]

that can generate false images.

[Adam Curry]

Lyft has now apologized and blocked the driver from their app. It's another no agenda

[John C. Dvorak]

clip blitz. Was that.

[Adam Curry]

It was a good one. Elon Musk lawsuit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Elon Musk lawsuit. Yes, welcome back.

[Adam Curry]

This just in. Tonight a jury has thrown out Elon

[John C. Dvorak]

Musk's massive lawsuit against OpenAI and Sam Altman.

[Adam Curry]

A federal jury found that Musk waited too long to sue.

[John C. Dvorak]

He had accused Altman of illegally enriching

[Adam Curry]

himself off the company. Company that must help start with him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Musk says he will appeal, saying the

[Adam Curry]

judge didn't rule on the merits of that case.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, now can I play a couple of clips about AI stuff since you've led us here with your cliplets, or is there more cliblets?

[Adam Curry]

There's a couple more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, can we.

[Adam Curry]

Don't give me that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can we take your cliplets.

[Adam Curry]

This one here. I want to play this one because this is a sad one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Three clip blitzes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Sad one. It's another no agenda. CBS Radio signs off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Have you heard this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course. Before there was television, long before there were podcasts, CBS radio basically invented broadcast news. In big cities and remote farmhouses, families would gather around the radio to hear President Roosevelt deliver a fireside chat. Now we've got Mondami on Twitch or Edward R. Murrow's eyewitness accounts of the blitz.

[Adam Curry]

This is London being bombed. Half an hour ago, I could read street signs in the flight of anti aircraft batteries. Little patches of sparks on the pavements marked the point where shrapnel fell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Broadcasts like that one brought the sound of the world into people's living rooms. In the process, CBS radio made the world a little smaller and listeners vision a little broader. Generations of talented wordsmiths polished their craft at CBS before Charles Kuralt went on the rail road and Peggy Noonan penned speeches for presidents. They got their start working overnights, pounding away at typewriters, painting vivid pictures for the ear. CBS radio is still carried on some 700 stations, but fewer people are listening to the radio these days. There are other ways to entertain yourself in the car now. And young people have grown to expect more personalized programming from their smartphones. CBS's parent company was sold to David Ellison's Skydance Media last year. The new owners announced two months ago they were Silencing the microph and laying off the radio staff.

[Adam Curry]

Christopher Cruz is set to deliver the

[John C. Dvorak]

final CBS Radio newscast just after 11:30 Eastern Time tonight. Well, in an interesting twist, this was. There was a prophecy about this happening back in 1990, and the prophecy is this, because if you listen. How does this start off? This starts off by them saying before there was television, long before there were podcasts. Right. So our first house. The first house I bought in New Jersey in 1990, I bought from Dallas Townsend. Does that name ring a bell to you?

[Adam Curry]

It sounds familiar, but I can't place it at the moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was the quintessential CBS radio news guy, and we bought the house.

[Adam Curry]

House.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was a big picture of Walter Cronkite above the fireplace.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so, in a. In an odd sort of way, that was the passing of the torch 10 years before podcasting came to be. So that was, in fact, a prophecy.

[Adam Curry]

How's it a prophecy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because I'm making it into one. Hello?

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello. I'm just making it up as I go along, John.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're just like. You're the Ms. Now people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. I'm going to cut you off if you talk to me like that. That. I mean, you might as well just say, I'm horrible. I'm a horrible person. All right, Clip Blitz. Come on, Clip Blitz. It's another agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, the last. If you want to play one more. The Minnesota.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't really. But, yeah, I'll do it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you don't have to.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, now we've announced it. We did a clipless jingle.

[Adam Curry]

Well, then play the. Play this, Minnesota. Which is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't say. I don't have a Minnesota.

[Adam Curry]

Classic cars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Classic cars.

[Adam Curry]

Minnesota lawmakers want to ground your classic car five days a week.

[John C. Dvorak]

I saw this.

[Adam Curry]

A new Minnesota bill could ban most

[John C. Dvorak]

weekday and nighttime driving for classic cars. Now, this is kind of wild.

[Adam Curry]

Of course, we enjoy seeing classic cars on the road. Brings a smile to everyone's face, you'd think.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that experience might be about to become even rarer in Minnesota because the new law, if passed, would limit classic cars to driving only on weekends or at special events. Well, okay, I saw this story, and someone sent it to me. It was like getting classic cars off the road. Hey, that's only because these people want cheap registration. If you register your car as a car, you can drive it whenever you want.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's true. It's kind of misleading.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's kind of misleading. Very misleading.

[Adam Curry]

But at the same time, what Is the point. I mean but this is now misleading maybe, but is this a foreboding, is this a prophecy perhaps that's going to start to move the older cars out because they don't have computers that can

[John C. Dvorak]

track you through the data centers and the Flock cameras and the, and the license plate readers?

[Adam Curry]

Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coincidence? I think not. I shall wind us up here with a few clips from cnbc. I like CNBC because they kind of can't look.

[Adam Curry]

Well they can, but they can, but they get it doesn't go over with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn't go over well yeah, with their audience at all, however small it is. This is about the AI IPOs and we're now starting to get some information starting off with xx SpaceX's IPO and I thought it was a relatively intelligent conversation about getting out first, who's making money, who's doing, doing what. And for those of you who get value from the show by hearing us talk about things, maybe this is a value to you.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Last night though, around dinner time here in the bay area the SpaceX prospectus dropped.

[Adam Curry]

Dropped drop. Pick it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I remember when we went public in 96 well it looks like think new ideas have filed their S1 document. Now it's just looks like it dropped.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Last night though around dinnertime here in the Bay area area the SpaceX prospectus dropped and it was a 308 page document that is part rocket company, part satellite empire, part frontier AI lab all wrapped in a controlled company structure with Elon Musk holding majority of the board. Now the AI segment that is the part that I want to dig into today because essentially all paths in that one lead back to AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know this let you write this lady could be replaced by an AI agent going let's do a deep dive dive.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

The financials have three main sections, space connectivity and AI. The AI segment it did $3.2 billion in revenue last year on 6.4 billion of losses. Now eye popping number though, that was capex as it often is these days, nearly $13 billion on AI infrastructure which is four times the revenue it is currently bringing in. So if you are a bear, the math here in this S1 it's pretty straightforward. If it's a $2 trillion valuation as has been reported and speculated, calculated on $18 billion in total revenue last year, you're looking at more than 100 times sales. For context, Nvidia trades at around 23 times Palantir, one of the most stretched names in the public market around 88. So Space X would be coming in Higher than either of them. And it's actually not actually profitable. It is losing money. Here's the other thing though. SpaceX has never been priced on traditional measures and that is unlikely to change right now. This is a growth bet on Elon Musk. Full stop. And the same investors who bought SpaceX.

[Adam Curry]

Full stop. In the middle of a sentence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sentence, yes.

[Adam Curry]

But she never stopped.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's bad form. I agree.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Private rounds at 400, 500, $600 billion. They did it because of him. The retail demand on day one likely going to be enormous. And whatever you think of Musk's politics or pay package, he has done something that no one else has built. Category defining companies not once or twice, three times. So that bet on SpaceX. It also matters beyond this IPO itself because OpenAI is reportedly planning a confidential filing as soon as this week. Anthropic may not be far behind. Players in the infrastructure layer underneath, all of them are watching too and trying to figure out their own windows.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was the bill for?

[Adam Curry]

It was. I just felt like the bell was needed. So in this, Anthropic is not far behind in this follow up to all three of these things in this follow

[John C. Dvorak]

up clip, they're going to give you some insight about the differences between, between the three. I thought it was reasonably good.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not sure it matters too much who goes first.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, the no Agenda show disagrees. Whoever goes first is gonna, is gonna be the big winner. Everyone else, we don't think that's a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

Every so often there's something like this happens. The first one goes and they did a big winner. Then the next one goes and then something screwy happens and then it folds and the third one gets nothing. I'm not sure it matters too much who goes first. It does matter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Matter it does.

[Adam Curry]

Again, I think they're just so different in the, in the models. You know, obviously Space X is a, is a really a bet on Elon and his vision. Open I think is really a bet on the consumerization of AI. And I know OpenAI recently has started to move away from the consumer model and more to enterprise, but they have their DNA has been a consumer first AI company. Anthropic from the beginning was hey, we're an entertainment enterprise solution. And so I think one of the things to think about is where do investors believe that the future, at least in the near term, near to medium term, right. The next two to five years, where should they place their chips?

[John C. Dvorak]

They could place on both, but if

[Adam Curry]

you have to pick One, do you pick on AI and consumers or do you pick on AI and the enterprise? And that's in the private market. That was the trade for venture. For the venture capitalists that believe in AI will be a consumer application first before anything else. Bet on OpenAI and the ones that believed was the enterprise. Enterprise bet on Anthropic and I think now retail and you know, the rest of the blah, blah, blah get to make that choice.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to give you my opinion. You just say blah, blah, blah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you should have cut him short then you should give your opinion instead of listen to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's your opinion?

[Adam Curry]

I don't have an opinion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. As crazy as he seems, I think Elon Musk is actually doing the smartest thing. It may never come to be his data centers in space. I don't, I don't know. But he's selling compute to anthropic. I think he's giving up on the, on the LLM business. And Grok will just be whatever it is for people to go, hey, Grok, take your shirt off and hey, Grok, remove the loser or hey, Grok, remove the, remove the Jew. They do this all the time. You seen that?

[Adam Curry]

No. It's funny though.

[John C. Dvorak]

They do this. It's so horrible. I think Musk has the right idea. Be in the cheapest infrastructure business once you get those things up in space using the sun. And I don't know about Anthropic and OpenAI, but then my final clip will be from Jeff Bezos, who has a very different take on AI taking your job away.

[Adam Curry]

So there are so many smart people and they are smart and they are saying, oh my God, you know, there's going to be no more radiologists because,

[John C. Dvorak]

you know, AI can read X rays better than a radiologist can.

[Adam Curry]

And they're going to be no more software engineers because AI can program better

[John C. Dvorak]

than a software engineer can. These people are wrong. So what's really going to happen is that it's going to elevate all of

[Adam Curry]

these people and they're going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like it's, it's like you've been digging, let's say you're a software engineer, right? What it's.

[Adam Curry]

The knowledge I can give you is you been digging out a basement for

[John C. Dvorak]

your house with a shovel and somebody's

[Adam Curry]

about to hand you a bulldozer.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should be so happy if you're digging the basement to your house and somebody says, hey, how about this?

[Adam Curry]

I have a tool here that's gonna,

[John C. Dvorak]

and what's really gonna happen is we're gonna have so much productivity in our economy that, for example, this is just one effect. A lot of people who have two

[Adam Curry]

earner income households, one of the people

[John C. Dvorak]

is going to drop out of the workforce. That's why we're going to have a labor shortage. Because of the productivity gains, you're going to be able to afford things we're going to have. I predict we'll actually have deflation of certain core. Assuming we let this technology play out

[Adam Curry]

and don't, you know, hamstring it with regulation too early. We will actually have, you know, everything will get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Food will get cheaper. Whoa. Now, that's a different take.

[Adam Curry]

I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like.

[Adam Curry]

I think he's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm. I'm with you on that. Food will get.

[Adam Curry]

I'm surprised by that. Because you hated this AI thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I hated the. The chat part of it, yes. I thought that was stupid. Stupid. I've been using AI for all kinds of things. Coding.

[Adam Curry]

That's true. You're like, you're an acolyte.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what that means.

[Adam Curry]

That figures.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if it's a prophecy.

[Adam Curry]

But you're one of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I want to wear that mantle. And I also want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in Cowabunga. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Duborrow. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. I think K is cowabunga spelled with a K. I'm John. In the morning. All ships, sea boots in the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, dames and ice out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's definitely spelt with a C. Let me count the trolls for a second. Oh, that's interesting. 1602 on a memorial Day weekend. That's not too bad.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's good. Trolls are listening. No Agenda Nation is tuning in through noagendastream.com or one of the many modern podcast apps which allow you to not only get your podcast that you want within 60. I'm sorry, 90 seconds. 60, but 90 seconds max of when we publish it, which is a big deal compared to the legacy apps. But also when we go live and many of the no Agenda stream and no Agenda Nation shows go, you get a bat signal, you tap on it, boom, you're in the app. In the app where you used to get on Demand podcasts, the ones that downloaded, now you're getting the live stream It's a beautiful thing. Moving up on. It'll be 19 years in October of our podcast. Of our podcast. We've been doing it value for value all of these years. And it's a very simple model. Whenever you feel you got value out of this podcast, many of you have told me you do. Then just send us whatever that's worth to you right back to us at no agenda donations.com Time Talent Treasure. We appreciate the time and talent. Many people help us in so many ways. Giving us extra peanuts on the plane. Thank you, Audra. Giving us a Boots on the ground on Kratom. We have a lot. In fact, if there's a secret sauce of the no Agenda show, it's the producers. There is always someone somewhere who works in the field is an expert because they just happen to do that job. And when you let us know, that's how we make everything much better for the program. The producers. Because we don't have listeners. The producers really are what make it all fly. In addition to that, we have artists. Well, we used to have artists. I was talking about this the other day at the dinner table. So we used to have a lot of artists. Now we have Prompters. The artists are all gone. I don't think we've had a. Well, Nessworks I think does kind of some art still Blue Acorn, but have we had any of the old guards? Nick the Rat is trying some AI stuff, but I don't know, we haven't quite gotten to that Bezos, that Bezos promise yet that it's only going to be better for them. How do you feel?

[Adam Curry]

I like the art we get. Well, a lot of it's always been sketchy.

[John C. Dvorak]

True. Well, so what Nessworks is. And Nessworks was the art that we chose for episode 1870 titled VBS. Took a while to get that up on noagendashow.net, but we finally got that figured out. It was there, there, but it was the wrong number. And Void zero and I are going to try and make that less of a problem when things go wrong. But Nesswerk created this and I think he did more of this by hand than by AI. What do you think this Flamingo? Well, it had a different look for sure.

[Adam Curry]

It's hard to say. I mean, it could have been all AI or it could have been a cut and paste job. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I think maybe he can tell us. Yes, please, Nessworks, let us know. [e-mail] that's where sir Paul Couture spends a lot of his time making sure that we aren't spammed and we don't have, I don't know, like art. Inappropriate art flowing into the art generator, which is very obvious for people who like to do that.

[Adam Curry]

It is Memorial Day weekend, so I would recommend that the artists give us Memorial Day themed art.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm with you on that.

[Adam Curry]

Not Cuba.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did we even talk about Rubio and qbo? Cubio. There you go. Cubio.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You played a bunch of stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did. I don't remember.

[Adam Curry]

Not on Cuba, but Rubio.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Looking at the artwork that we receive, we had some screw lube art that we. Babes are overrated. You use the no Agenda podcasting vacation school for the newsletter. That was nice. Oh, yeah, and there was babes. Just lots of babes. Too many babes. We're not going to choose babes all the time. And it's not so funny to have women falling down manhole covers or manholes in New York. We found that kind of gruesome manhole because the lady died. It wasn't that nice.

[Adam Curry]

She died?

[John C. Dvorak]

Who fell down the manhole? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I don't know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she burned up. It was scalding hot. It was bad. Very, very bad day for her. No, I don't think there was anything else we really liked. Was there anything that you recall that we discussed?

[Adam Curry]

No, the one I liked was the one we picked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was it.

[Adam Curry]

It was very. I would say the selection was paltry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Noagenda artgenerator.com is where you can upload your art. Everybody can participate. We appreciate when. When you do and thank you very much for, for your ultimate courage of supporting the best podcasts in the universe. Now we have have our treasure supporters who go to noagendadonations.com whenever they feel the urge. Like, I'm going to support these guys. I'm going to send them something. Whatever the value, we can't look in your pocketbook. We don't know what's valuable to you. $5 could be very valuable to you. And it's just as appreciated as $5,000, which may mean nothing to someone else. And it all kind of evens out in the end. We've noticed. So value for value is a way of living. It is the international lifestyle. And we've been moving along with that for, as I said, over 18 years. Everyone who comes in and is fortunate enough to be able to Support us with $200 or more, not only do we guaranteed read your note, but we'll also give you an associate executive producer title, which is valid wherever Hollywood Credits are recognized. $300 or more. That's when you become an executive producer. We read your note and we still have that promotion open for the insanite, the red Knight Order of the heart, which gets you the coveted no agenda knight or dame ring, along with a very, very fancy pin, which will show you are different than everybody else. $50 and above. We thank everybody. We start now with our executive producers. Christian Sutton Jensen is in Clovis, New Mexico. Comes in with $1,000 and included the fees. We appreciate that and says it's time to become a red Knight. So it's $1,030.60. That's what that.

[Adam Curry]

26.

[John C. Dvorak]

26. I'm sorry. And Christian says it's time to become a red Knight. I need the biggest dose of health karma you're legally allowed to give. Well, we can determine that, no problem.

[Adam Curry]

We have a governor on it, but we can take that.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're under and we're unscrewing that thing. One month ago, my aunt was hospitalized with bacterial meningitis. She's been awaiting a heart surgery of her own. After weeks of fighting infections and other horrible things, things are stabilizing but not improving. I think a red knighthood is the appropriate move at this time. I've struggled a long time with my faith. I don't know if it's appropriate or not, but I asked my fellow producers to keep my aunt in their prayers. She is a beautiful and joyful woman, and God knows her family needs her in their lives. On a lighter note, I would like to be knighted. Sir, yes, sir of the you know where. And he winds up with thank you for your courage. So we're going to do some extra super stuff for you and for your aunt. Here we go.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

You've got karma. You've got prayers.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Benson James in Madison, Alabama, 103026. No note. He's going to have to send something in so we can hear what he has to say. He will be a red knight today, but since he's got no note, we'll give him a double up. Karma for to stand by.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

On to Rio Rancho, New Mexico. $1,000. Caddy Bones comes in. It's a switcheroo for Jim, I might add. Caddy Boone says, dear Adam and John, my husband Jim and I have been listening since 2014. That's. That's 12 years, I'd say. I unfortunately lost him at the end of 2023 to a fall. Oh, man. My life has never and will never be the same without him. We look forward to our no Agenda nights twice a week on Sundays. We learned so much from your show, especially during COVID and thank you. She says I could fill pages with examples of what a wonderful husband and best friend he was, but nobody has that much time. So I'll just say that in all of our years so together, we never had a fight. I've been meaning to write in and make him a knight. However, I never felt like it was the right moment. It always made me sad thinking about the fact that he would be a posthumous knight. But once I heard about the Order of the Heart, I knew I had to make him a Red Knight. Something special. I would love it if you could de douche him posthumously.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Well, of course you've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are a couple of jingles that he really liked. Climate Change, Gate and Fear is Freedom. And I would love it if you play them in honor of him for his night name. I would love it to be Sir J. Bones. A nickname of mine for him. Thank you. I'm going to send the letter and donate soon so I can be his dame. Thank you both for keeping me sane. Not just during that time that he was here with me, but since then as well. I tune into every show and try to imagine him next to me listening and laughing. I'm sure he's up there listening and laughing and watching you. Big thank you to you both and to knowage and the naish for helping to keep us all sane during these insane times. Sincerely, J. Bones, loving wife, Caddy Bones. To the gate. To the gate. To the planet Gates.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Fear is freedom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Subjugation is liberation.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Contradiction is truth. Those are the facts of this world. And you will always all surrender to them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Use pigs in human clothing. Yeah, there you go. Classic, classic, classic, classic.

[Adam Curry]

On. We're with Aaron and Lopez in Santa Rosa, California. 1,000. And he sent a note in a physical note. Hello John and Adam. I'm a first time donor. I couldn't pass up the chance to become a Red Knight on my first donation. I have been listening to the show since COVID Covid. And felt the need to return the value in these trying times. I'm entering my final year of college.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

I like this at Sonoma State. And I would like some jobs. Karma Pelosi. Jobs. Karma. The classic. Of course. As I search for an accounting internship. Thanks for all that you do. Please knight me as Sir Blue Wolf of the Bean counter. Sincerely, Aaron. Aaron. Aaron. It's Horan Lopez. He's got a pronunciation guide for his name, but Lopez is what we call

[John C. Dvorak]

him and I'm gonna deduce him. He didn't ask for it, but first time donor.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we drop straight from the executive producers in the thousands down to our first associate executive producer, Chris dubendorf from Brookville, Maryland. 257. 94 did not have a note but does have an American flag emoji. So I'm going to say that is like for Memorial Day. And I will still add a double up karma for you.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

You've got double up karma.

[Adam Curry]

So we didn't have one normal executive producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we did. Oh, executive. No. Well, I mean. What do you mean normal?

[Adam Curry]

333. 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Well that's a 333. We had four executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm saying normal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Dane in Colorado Springs. 250. She wrote an attached note. She's got kind of interesting handwriting. Dear JCD and AC. Here's some value.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is probably a 250 donation for the 250.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. 250 years. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This was a promotion. You put it in the newsletter. I remember.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we got one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm pretty sure Chris was one as well. And the fees were seven. Nine. Just guessing. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Celebrating 250 years of this great nation, you two will be part of this country's history. Yeah, I think so. After 20 years by keeping our amygdala small. It's good to hear John being back to his old self, but with a seemingly slightly softer edge. My dad had triple bypass at the age of 52 and he's still around at 87. John, you have 30 more good years left. Please keep the best podcast in the universe going until after J.D. or Marco are sworn in as number 48. And he's got. Oh, okay. Thank you for all that you do, for all the producers and the many blessings on everyone. Peace and joy. Dame Elevation. Melanie Dries.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very nice. Dame Elevation. Thank you for celebrating our country with us. Matthew Benjamin Clark, Summit, Pennsylvania. And he says, dear Adam and John. Oops, sorry, hold on a second. Dear Adam and John, in my quest to one day make a living as an author. Well, you talk to John. That's what I got to talk about. I've recently transitioned to the value for value model for the distribution of my books. How about that? So this donation is a thank you for a Great show and for giving me Hope that the V4V model can work for me. And for anyone in Gitmo nation that's looking for a good read, visit mattbrights.com M A T T B W R I t e s mattbrights.com I got something for everyone and it's all free. No, no, no. See, this is not. This is not how you do the value for value model. I'll just help you right there. And as an added thank you, any donations I receive in the next month will be split with the no Agenda a show. Adam, if you can find it, I'd love to hear the Abu Bakr al Baghdadi jingle and I'd love to have some prayers. Well, you're lucky actually found the Abu Badi Bada Baghdadi jingle. But John, could you please explain to him how the value for value model works for books? Because you have done this with Mimi and toomanyeggs.com yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You have the book available as a PDF that it's. It's free with the idea that the book will be downloaded and someone will end up buying a printed version. And the idea is that you want to sell or. Or they download it and give you what they think it's worth in the value for value method. But I mean using the word free has got to be minimized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you got to go. That has to ago. But did it work well for the toomanyeggs.com books?

[Adam Curry]

I think it worked well. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Last night. But we saw a lot of books. I mean the idea of the. It was a little different with the too many eggs. So we have a commercial version of the book which is printed and that's not done. Value for value.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got it. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

And that's the. And that goal is to push people in that direction. Daddy. Abu Abu Akan Akara, United States Abu has been searching Makar for Baghdadi Abu many years. Baghdadi Abu he died after running into a dead end tunnel.

[John C. Dvorak]

I hadn't heard this in a long time.

[Adam Curry]

And he died in a vicious and violent way.

[John C. Dvorak]

He died like your dog. There it is.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Prayers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks for requesting that. Hadn't heard that in a long time.

[Adam Curry]

I was what the Died like a dog refers to dogs died normally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well.

[Adam Curry]

La jollasalt.com in La Jolla, California 210 Sal 62 weeks just passed since Mother's Day. If dinner arrives at the table, cold or not at all, get your mother a better gift. Consider a sea salt scrub from la jollasalt.com by the way it's La Jolla is L A J O L L A. It's a California city called La Jolla and nobody can pronounce it from out of the state. Invigorating exfoliator, luxurious moisturizer and spel oil fragrances will get you back on track with Mom. When you gift with a La Jolla salt sea salt scrub you are getting the best the best. Place your order today. Also support the show people. It's the best podcast in the universe. Thank you for your courage. Go Podcasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

We actually haven't done a go podcasting in a while, have we? Where's my Go podcasting? I don't know where it is. Go Podcast Podcasting. I've lost my Go podcasting. Wait, is it here? Nope. I don't know where it is. Sorry. Go Podcasting. Eli the Coffee guy. He always comes in with $200 and adds today's date, so it's 20524. He is from Bensonville, Illinois and he says more fear mongering on Ebola and Hantavirus. Actually, I think the Hanta is over. Hanta has been pushed to the back of the seat.

[Adam Curry]

It better be.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all Ebola. Both have been lingering in the headlines a little too long, but I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, by the way, can you play the Ebola jingle at the end of this Reed? Ebola? We haven't heard that at all during the entire Ebola crisis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ebola, yes, that's a good idea. Thank you for reminding me. But I guess Scott Gottlieb and the rest of his talking heads need something to do. Good coffee is a health elixir. Did you know that? I've been reliably told it cures all that ails and maybe even Ebola. Well, maybe with the exception, he says, of hemorrhagic fever. So visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. And as always, stay caffeinated. Eli the Coffee Guy. Thanks for reminding me. I'll have to bring those back if this nonsense keeps up.

[Adam Curry]

It will for a while. Ben Sterling in College Station, Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, Ben 200.

[Adam Curry]

Good old Ben. Yep, this donation should bring me to Viscount.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Please give me jobs Karmas. I just interviewed for my boss's job and being a VP for a Fortune 250 company before 40 would be cool. Ask anyone. Also, everyone should give a listen to just two good old Boys podcast with Sir Gene and I, Baron, soon to be Viscount, dude named Ben, defender of Megawatts protector of the electric grid. Sincerely, Ben Sterling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Ben gives us a lot of good information about what's really happening in the electric grid.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And coming in as she always does with $200, it is Linda Lupatkin from Castle Rock, Colorado and she wants jobs karma and says your Resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results and impact that you know, maybe Ben, maybe you should talk to Linda for getting that VP gig. She helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And Linda Liu, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

Jobs, Jobs and Jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we continue with the rest of our supporters in the time talent and treasure treasure portion that is over a value for value model we have and we'll have a meetup in a moment. Actually first we have sir ever of the what? Linwood, Michigan 123.45. We love it when you do that. And here's the Indy no Agenda meetup which will be a switch around. It's a row of sticks. 111 and 11 cents. This just took place. I got a nice meetup coming up for you. Indie no Agenda Meetup Raffle Switcheroo. It's a donation for Sir Rip off the Maple Donation Value for value from one of the best monthly meetups out there. Congratulations to Sir Rupoff Ripoff Ripoff of the Maple for winning the money donation raffle draw. And to newbie attendee Tony for runner up prize, a bottle of JCD Costco recommended cabbage. Hey, I mean these are. I mean this is fantastic. Which cabernet was that? Was that the Kirkland?

[Adam Curry]

I believe so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Newbies always win at the Indy NA Meetups. Pro Audio Meetup report by the Amazing Annette Love is Lit Eminem of the Greenwood. Dame Maria of the Greek Kingdoms. Sir Mark of the Greenwood, Warden of the Crossroads. Thank you so much. Dame Rita Sparks, Nevada. $105.24. She says we're the best. Thank you Dame Dame early turtle, Topeka, Kansas 103.33. Shawna Norberg, Bellingham, Washington. $100 love you mean it. Kevin McLaughlin. He is the Archduke of Luna, Lover of America and boobs. Concord, North Carolina with his boob donation every single show. $80.08. God bless America and melons. Sir Edward the henpecked, Omaha, Nebraska, 6523. It's a birthday donation for his loving wife on May 23rd. It was yesterday to celebrate our wedding anniversary, May 24th, which is today. She loves to torment. I don't know what I'd do without her. Say, Edward the Henpecked Baron, Sir Phenom, Appleton, Wisconsin. $60.08. That's something. That's lopsided, I guess. Matthew Elwart Weatherford, Texas, with small boobs, $60.06. Same from Les Darkowski and he's in Kingman, Arizona. Dame Nancy of the Confused, San Bruno, California, 5244. She says thank you for working on the holiday weekend. That I'm. Thank you for noticing. It's true. Cold dial, Alma, Illinois, 5252 25. We see the palindrome there. And here are the 50s, just a couple of them. Alexander Delgado Aptos, California, with the 50. Baron of the Belmont from Belmont, North Carolina. He's the Baron of Belmont and the Catawba river basin. And finally, Michael Myers of Diamond Head, Missouri, wrapping up our Value for Value supporters for episode 1871. I would be amiss if I didn't thank once again our executive and associate executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Chef slavery. Shut up.

[Adam Curry]

Sleep.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. Noagendadonations.com. that is where. What happened to. Hmm. Oh, goodness. Cover for me for a second, John. Somehow I missed the indie meetup, which is a real problem. If I don't have the indie meetup, cover for me.

[Adam Curry]

What? You mean you don't have the tape?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. I don't have the tape.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on,

[John C. Dvorak]

hold on. Could you cover in a better way, please? Perhaps?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, you don't like sound effects?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, you could say something like, you know, oh, I could talk.

[Adam Curry]

I could read through the granola package.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, you are.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, let me take a. How about covering with a clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we're already done. I'm good.

[Adam Curry]

No, that took no time. You're the worst.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Yeah, I try. Thank you everybody, for supporting us. No agenda. Donations.com. that's where you go to send back the value that you receive from the shop show. And you can even set up a recurring donation if you feel so moved. Any amount, any frequency, no agenda. Donations.com. Was a real big lead up to the entire birthday list, which consists of one birthday. You heard him earlier. Sir Edward the Henpecked wishes his wife a very Happy birthday. She celebrated on the 23rd and today they celebrate their wedding anniversary and it never had a fight. Happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

And

[John C. Dvorak]

here we go. Our title change today is one, it is Sir Ben Sear Sterling who who started out as a baron before this podcast. And yes, I should remind you to go listen to just two good old boys. That podcast he does with Sir Gene and today he ups his peerage to the title of viscount and we congratulate him with that and say thank you very much for your courage. Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose, right from the stars in the morning in brave and smart, the Order of the Heart. Yes, these are limited titles, they're going fast, so get in while you can. The knighthood that comes accompanied or an insanite donation with a red Knight Order of the Heart pin. It's a very handsome pin. You'll like it. And it goes to Christian Sutton Jensen, Vincent James, Sir Jim, Sir John J. Bones and Hernan Lopez. And we congratulate these brand new Red Knights who now officially are part of the Order of the Hearts. Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose, right from the stars in the morning, brave and smart, the

[Adam Curry]

Order of the Heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, we have two nights to bring into the round table today. So if you can grab your blade there and move it around the cable. Here you go. Oh, yeah. Very well done. You didn't even hear the mic bump at all. Kristen, Sutton Jensen and Jim step up on the podium here. Both of you become knights of the Noah Jenner Roundtable is a very exclusive club, but $1,000 or more in aggregate gets you there. And I'm very proud to pronounce the Kate the as Sir. Yes, sir of the you know where and Sir J. Bones. Both of you now become Knights of the no Agenda Roundtable. You join the knights and the dames. And for you we have hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay. We've got harlots and haldol, We've got redheads and ryes, beer and blunts, Reuben esque, Reuben and rose, geishas and sake, vodka and vanilla, bongans and bourbon, sparkling cider and escort, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And as always at the table, we've got your mutton and your mead. Both of you can go to noagendarings.com they are very handsome and all you have to do is give us your ring size. There's a ring sizing guide on the website and we will send it off to you as soon as possible. Give us an address, obviously. And congratulations. Welcome to that exclusive club of the no Agenda Knights and Dames. Yeah, we had. Man, we had two meetups here in. In. In Tennessee. Sir Patrick Coble and Pastor Jimmy and I had a little mini meetup at Arnold's, which is a very cool old school barbecue in the middle of Nashville. Maybe the last time we'll ever eat there because the taxes are so high they may have to close it down. But meetups take place all over the world, literally. And you can find a meetup near you by going to noagendamedermeetups.com people. It's no cost, you know. You just find a place, you all agree you're going to meet there. You hang out, you have a couple drinks, you talk about the world, talk about the show, talk about what's going on, Hit people in the mouth. And sometimes you send us a meetup report. Here's the Latest one, number 75 from Leo Bravo. And this is the meetup in Los Angeles at Proudberg. Hey, everybody, it's Leo Bravo at meetup number 775 at the proud Bird. I'm gonna pass the phone around. My friends have things to say.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, John and Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Leah, Kim, Faux Pop here. Just here at the Proud Bird mourning the death of Spirit Airlines. Not really.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Robertson of two sticks enjoying the plane spotting and the great company. Thank you, Leo Bravo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, great meetup you guys got here. It's Proud Bird. Just doing a little bit of plane spotting. Spotting and enjoying some company with some great folks. Long live the Constitution. Hey, this is Eric. Just reminding you trains are better than planes. Train's good. Planes bad. I'm interested in the story of the woman who was plunging into a searing manhole. I think that anything happens between two consenting adults should stay that way. It should not have made the news

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

horrible from the ranch over here at the Proud Bird, hanging out with Leo

[Adam Curry]

Bravo in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning. See, that's what I'm talking about. You bring in your server, that makes it. That makes the whole meetup report perfect. And I'm sure Damonette did the same at the indie meetup for May. Hello, this is Dame Maria and Sir Mark.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

We have a small meetup today, but it is amazing as always.

[Adam Curry]

Come on, come on. Next month.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

This is Emily, your shuffle crack spook. Insert something fun here.

[Adam Curry]

Brusky here. Just enjoying some beers with the bald

[John C. Dvorak]

bros. Sir Rip of the Maple here in Indianapolis, attending my monthly ambiguous size regulation My name is Tony.

[Adam Curry]

I'm from Louisville, Kentucky.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

I'm honestly too shy to be here and too gay. This is Katie from St. Joseph Public House and Brewery in Indianapolis, Indiana, serving up the no Agenda group.

[Adam Curry]

Live from Indianapolis, the home of the greatest spectacle in racing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gentlemen, You notice how the servers over there at the brewhouse, Indianapolis, they really get into it. I think they have their own contests. Who can sound the coolest on the meetup report? Good job. I appreciate it. As a meetup taking place today in New Jersey, Keyport, New Jersey to be exact. The we drink and we know things is probably underway as we speak. The I need a drink edition at 3br Disc Distillery. Also starting today, in just a bit from now, the no ID pop up. That'll be at the Alibi Room in Vancouver, British Columbia in Candanavia, Memorial Day, that is tomorrow, the Monday Madison Squim, 333 Pacific at Barhop Brewing and Sequim. If you want to know about value for value book publishing, go talk to Mimi. She will be there. I'm sure she'll be bringing some of her too many eggs.com books. And then coming up on the 30th, Anchorage, Alaska, we have Ukraine, excuse me, on the 6th of June, Bila, Turska, Kiev Oblast, Boise, Idaho on the 13th, Franklin, Tennessee on the 13th, Indianapolis, Indiana again on June 14th, Charlotte, North Carolina on the 18th, June 26th, Rotterdam in the Netherlands, July 11th, Eagle, Idaho. And then we're into August, September, October. You can find all of these [e-mail] Please consider going to one of these. You will not regret it. I've never heard anyone say I went

[Adam Curry]

to a meetup and it sucked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even if there was one other person there, people always seem to enjoy it. So go find one near you. Noagendameetups.com if you feel moved to start one yourself, that's really easy. Just set it up, list it at noagendameetups.com and watch the fun happen. What could possibly go wrong? It's always a part of party. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days you wanna be where you won't be triggered on Hell. I feel really bad about this, but amidst the hard drive issues, I completely did not get my ISOs. So you win. It's just.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, thanks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just a matter of choosing which one. Which one would you like me to play first?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I've gone with all celebrities this show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh nice.

[Adam Curry]

So let's start with Arnold Schwarzenegger and

[John C. Dvorak]

screw screw your other Podcasts. This is the best. That's a good one. I like that. Very good. Good. And who is the other celebrity?

[Adam Curry]

The other one is Hillary Clinton. Wow.

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

The no Agenda podcast is too delicious to believe, my friend. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a. First of all, where'd you get these?

[Adam Curry]

I did them.

[John C. Dvorak]

You called up Arnold and you called

[Adam Curry]

up Hillary and hey, Arnold, can you give me a quickie here?

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I honestly think Arnold is the better one. Screw your other podcast. This is the best.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, fine.

[John C. Dvorak]

That may ever be an evergreen. That is so good. Hey, everybody. Right now it's time for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me.

[Adam Curry]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam. Okay. Since I'm a heart patient, I have to have no salt in my diet basically for the next year or two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's horrible.

[Adam Curry]

Probably forever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so I've had to come up with ways of seasoning food that, you know, and other people need to go on lower salt. They need to know these things. And so I found a couple of products which I think are quite good at. Salt substitutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very good tip for people who can't. Now, why can't you have salt? What is the reason? What does salt?

[Adam Curry]

It changes your electrolytic balance.

[John C. Dvorak]

And how is that bad for your heart?

[Adam Curry]

It makes your heart go into irregular heartbeats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. That wouldn't be good. Good. No, no.

[Adam Curry]

So that's one of many things. It's also harder than the kidneys. It has all kinds of issues. Okay. Now I had a Goya a season total or whatever picked some time ago, but I'm going to bump that and go with badia complete, no added salt. This is the body seasoning from the Mexican food provider. It's a seasoning. Buy the biggest container of it that you can find, usually in a Mexican store. And it actually, Brennan has said that it saved my palate. It's using this stuff on everything. It is a terrific all purpose seasoning.

[John C. Dvorak]

What does it taste like?

[Adam Curry]

Well, if you smell it, you can smell all kinds of stuff in it. It's got garlic and onion. It's got the basic things. And it's also coconut kosher for people who worry about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, our, our Jew money, people will be happy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's kosher and it's, it's just a terrific garlicky, oniony cinnamon. It's got all kinds of stuff in it. It's just a, it's a, it's an all purpose seasoning. You dump it on everything and, and use it generously. So this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you considered Ms. Msg?

[Adam Curry]

MSG is sodium.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it is. Oh, that's right. Of course. It's multimutoglobinate. Sodium.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is it again? What is MSG again?

[Adam Curry]

Monosodium glutamate.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what it is. Okay, give me the name of this product again because I may have to try that. It sounds good.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you'll love this stuff. It's badia B A D I A badia. And it just says complete season seasoning and get to. And when you go to a mech, if you go to a Mexican mercado or a super mercado, you just. They will have the big giant containers

[John C. Dvorak]

for it by name at your local mercado.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's great.

[John C. Dvorak]

I might try that. It sounds good. Hey, this is just one of the many tips of the day you can [e-mail] tipsoftheday.net.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Bernetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there we go. Perfect timing because I need to get my. My fancy suit on for the big K Love Awards tonight at the Grand Olive Presenting.

[Adam Curry]

You're going to be presenting?

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, they have podcast awards and they've never asked me, never even considered to have me present. And I'm. This is my third year. I've been there. So no, I will not be. Will just be in the audience.

[Adam Curry]

You just be a schmuck in the audience.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm with the most.

[Adam Curry]

You get a go bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no. There's no swag bag. Any of that. No.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. No. But we will worship God. This is the good news. Lots of Jesus. Okay. I think it airs on. I don't know what, it airs on TV next week or something. So I could actually tell you the winners on Thursday, but I might not.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, and then we can bet on them on the betting market.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kelsey app End of show mix is coming up by Molly Berry. Just. Just Baker and MVP is back, so enjoy that. And coming up next on the no Agenda stream, if you're still listening through your modern podcast app, mutton meat and music oyster will bring you. We'll spin the tunes for you there. All value for value as well. Coming to you from the live music capital of the world, Nashville, Tennessee in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry and

[Adam Curry]

from the Refinery Row in northern San Francisco Bay, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember us atnoensafe donations.com until Thursday. Adios mo fosa, hooey hooey and such. The following ITM presentation is a value for value audiophonic experience. It has been mastered by Curry caster technology in crystal clear high definition maximum presence sound. Please enable your distinguished podcast app platform that supports open podcasting 2.0. Your media deconstructing devices should be adjusted to optimum volume with no help from the military industrial industrial media complex. The corporate free transmission is now active from no Agenda Studios, the world's premier unprotected audio sanctuary in FEMA Region 6 and Refinery Row. Operating with no overlords, 0 advertiser influence and absolute non compliance with the global narrative structure comes the 18 year standard in narrative deconstruction.

[Adam Curry]

In association with the producers, associate producers,

[John C. Dvorak]

executive producers, dames and knights of the Round Table. This production has been fully vetted, scrutinized and authorized by the Crackpot and Buzz kill. A Curry and Duck Vorak Consulting presentation brought to you by the only partnership in podcasting history dedicated to breaking the

[Adam Curry]

spells of the corporate press.

[John C. Dvorak]

One headline, one clip and one jingle at a time. This program contains zero institutional sponsorship, zero algorithmic censorship, and absolutely no premium subscriptions. Donate. The future depends on you now shut up slaves. Your weekly dose of media reality is about to begin. Dudes and dudettes and trolls Fat lady hit it the no Agenda Show Show Y end of the week time to trace it. Homer's vice grip Oil barons took the flow 455 a gallon memorial grief from the low Triple A hacked the traffic wallets buried in the show Garden grove cam rave methyl methylcrylic globe 40k of ax while the profits never slow follow the current watch the green stream bend fear on the feet to the senate dividend war clouds, chem clouds, germ clouds blend value for value Producers slide it in. Sell the meltdown on that 101 a bill anti weapon stash IRS kissing rings TRUMP fam gets the audit pass Tulsi stepping off husband ill as the classy flash Ebola creeping back who cranking up the cash whole cycle scripted money directs the play dry smile at the coverage pure coincidence time talent, treasure whatever you can spare Keep the deconstruction independent in the air Value for value baby no agenda. Stand still breathe out look at me now the sky isn't falling though we don't know but if you trip before

[Adam Curry]

the curtain starts to rise you're just a victim of your own supply

[John C. Dvorak]

don't

[Adam Curry]

get spun up just cause the spin cycle starts don't tear down bridges just cause the pressure smarts It's a little

[John C. Dvorak]

pill it's a hard fact It's a heavy load to bear Just dream no agenda from almost anywhere yeah we gotta

[Adam Curry]

keep our feet on the ground

[John C. Dvorak]

before

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

we tear the whole house down.

[Adam Curry]

The facts are just the facts they

[John C. Dvorak]

don't care how you feel they're heavy and they're sharp and they are completely real but the panic is a ghost that you invited to the room and

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

it's dancing on the table Singing anthems

[John C. Dvorak]

of our doom don't get spun up just cause the spin cycle starts don't tear down bridges just cause the brush is smart so it's a bitter picture it's a hard fact It's a heavy load to bear to stream no agenda

[Adam Curry]

from almost anywhere yeah we gotta keep

[John C. Dvorak]

our feet on the ground before we

[Various News Reporters/Guests]

tear the whole house down

[Adam Curry]

don't get spotted

[John C. Dvorak]

don't get spotted

[Adam Curry]

I don't get sp Keep your feet on the ground before you tear the whole house down.

[John C. Dvorak]

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