1877 - "Flim Flam"

Summary

No Agenda Show - Episode 1877 "Flim Flam"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: June 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In "Flim Flam," Adam and John deliver their signature, unfiltered deconstruction of the week’s media and current events, featuring sardonic takes on world politics, major news stories, sports, big tech, cultural trends, and plenty of media criticism. The episode’s title, inspired by the word "flim flam," is woven throughout as themes of manipulation, misdirection, and absurdity pervade the analysis.

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Key Discussion Points and Notable Segments

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1. Soccer, Sports Media, and Commercialization

(Starts ~03:00)

• Football and Cultural Shifts:
  John notes increased American interest in soccer, and how the game is adapting for U.S. TV, including digital advertising and "hydration breaks" to enable commercials.

  • Quote:
    "The biggest problem with soccer in America is it's not advertising friendly. But they've kind of solved it... hydration break, which is another time for commercials. It's so obvious." (03:53, Dvorak)

• Video Referee Changes:
  Discussion of VAR (video assistant referee) tech in soccer and its impact on the game’s drama and traditional complaints ("We lost because the ref was no good").

  • Quote:
    "This flopping is ridiculous. And that's what soccer's known for." (06:30, Curry)

• Presidential Involvement in U.S. Soccer:
  Satirical commentary on President Trump giving luck to the U.S. team.

  • Quote:
    "So they win one lousy game, the president gets pulled into it... This is the only game they’re going to win?" (07:56, Curry)

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2. Middle East Tensions & The ‘Flim Flam’ of Iran Negotiations

(Starts ~10:00)

• Israel, Iran, and U.S. Negotiations:

  • Analysis of conflicting mainstream media coverage (“warmongers on Fox,” “U.S. losers” on CNN, Bloomberg, BBC, NPR, ABC) about the U.S.-Iran/Strait of Hormuz peace deal.
  • Multiple network soundbites dissected and found wanting; accusations of hearsay, lack of sourcing, and narrative pushing.
  • Quote:
    "This is not reporting. This is just hearsay. It’s crazy, right?" (14:03, Dvorak)

• Deep Dive Into Spin:

  • Both hosts unmoved by official statements, suggesting manipulation and “flim flam.”
  • Linguistic tangent about the word “flim flam” and its etymology, cementing the theme.
    • Quote:
      “Flim flam emerged in the 1530s as a contemptuous echoic construction… meaning mockery.” (19:06, Dvorak)

• State Funeral Symbolism:

  • Analysis of Iran planning Khamenei’s funeral for July 4th—seen as intentional messaging to the U.S. (24:15)

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3. Media Critique: Nightly TV News Rundowns

(68:00–80:00)

• Comparison of ABC, NBC, CBS 'Openers':
  Adam plays and John critiques Friday’s major network news opens—how each presents “urgent” stories (storms, sports, Iran, Musk) and editorial choices (music beds, story ordering, missing stories).

  • Quote:
    “After you hear that... the music bed gets in the way... they should have shifted the music when he says ‘and now some good news’...” (76:21, Dvorak)

• Differences Noted:

  • CBS was deemed the weakest, ABC the best in storytelling but omitted the Musk story.
  • NBC got points for including the cage match at the White House, but missed Musk.

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4. Tech and Economy: Musk, SpaceX IPO, and the AI Bubble

(41:00, 50:54, 51:41, 53:01, 64:09)

• Elon Musk Coverage and Criticism:

  • Supercut of anti-Musk media remarks, contrasted with his unprecedented tech and financial successes.

    • Quote:
      "This dude tripped over his dick and became successful." (42:17, Unattributed)

  • The Verge’s harsh article is mocked for blaming Musk for “hundreds of thousands of deaths."

    • "What happened to the Verge, man?" (43:35, Dvorak)

• SpaceX IPO Breakdown:

  • Curry outlines the IPO mechanism (green shoe option), and Elon’s cleverness in structuring fees and incentives.

• AI Bubble Warning:

  • Curry delivers an extended explanation why the centralized, closed-model AI business (Anthropic, OpenAI) is overhyped, unstable, and on the verge of being disrupted by local/open-source models.
    • Apple’s on-device AI, regulatory moves, and Anthropic’s “dangerous” model withdrawal are used as evidence that the bubble is popping.
    • Quote:
      "First of all, it looks like the Trump administration is purposely trying to blow something up… This marketing hype of, ‘Oh, Mythos is so dangerous, we can only give it to the top five biggest banks...’” (65:10, Dvorak)
    • AI companies’ push for regulation is seen as anti-competitive moat-building.
    • Fears that U.S. companies restricting themselves will send users to better-performing Chinese open models.
      • Quote:
        “The American open source models are not as good as the Chinese open source models.” (61:14, Dvorak quoting pod guests)
  • The episode cycles back to the value of decentralized tech in the wake of centralized, risk-averse, and “censorious” AIs.

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5. Media, Scandals, and Cultural Commentary

• LA Politics Scandal:
  Spencer Pratt’s video against LA politicians is likened to Tom Arnold’s “pee tape” claims—seen as empty threats and media circus. (30:17)
• UFC at the White House:
  News analysis and mockery about holding a UFC bout on the White House lawn, coverage of media reactions, and Marco Rubio’s absurd "moonshot" defense.
  • Quote:
    “At some level, that’s what this whole company, what UFC has been… a moonshot, man.” (38:41, Rubio audio, Dvorak laughing)
• Musk's "Immeasurable Wealth":
  Debate over the moral issues of Musk's wealth, with Dvorak and Curry noting hypocrisy and misplaced outrage amid real issues of fraud and migrant child exploitation.
• Missing Migrant Children Scandal:
  DOJ announcement of 475,000 unaccompanied minors entering since Biden, with 300,000 unaccounted for and over 146,000 found via HHS efforts—example of issues ignored by mainstream outrage.

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6. Biolabs Controversy & Tulsi Gabbard Statement

(92:01–98:26)

• Tulsi Gabbard exposes U.S.-funded biolabs overseas, links to gain-of-function research, and decries government cover-ups.
• Audio contrasts government denials with Lavrov’s past claims.
• Reflection: None of the networks led with this as the main story—further "flim flam" of selective coverage.

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7. International: Switzerland Population Referendum and EU Analysis

(100:56–105:03)

• Switzerland's Referendum:
  Discussion of the referendum to cap population at 10 million (mostly immigration-driven). Ultimately voted down—discussion of Europe’s ongoing “immigration as elite control” theme.

• Carney’s New World Order Speech:
  Canadian PM’s speech calling for EU-Canada axis to “reboot” world order, tangling sovereignty and multilateralism—exposed as copycatting U.S. industrial policy.

  • Quote:
    "True sovereignty cannot be achieved in isolation. It requires diversification...ad hoc coalitions..." (118:47, Carney audio)

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8. Media Flotsam, LOLs, and Pop Culture

• Whatever Girls (88:00):
  Two hilarious “man-on-the-street” style clips of young women failing at basic trivia, offered as evidence of declining public education. Their answers (e.g., “What country is north of Mexico?” – “Spain”; “Statue of Liberty from... Tel Aviv”) spark much laughter and concern from the hosts.

• Reality TV Scandal:
  Coverage of sexual assault allegations and criminal pasts on Australia’s "Married at First Sight," and how reality TV relies on alcohol and manufactured conflict.

• Meetups, Donations, and Community:
  Reports from No Agenda community meetups, value-for-value pitch, and detailed reading of producer credits.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• VAR in Soccer:
  "It's part of the game. You’re supposed to be able to say, ‘we lost because the ref was no good.’” (06:35, Dvorak)

• On No Agenda’s Value:
  "We’re like an open source model... you can get it however, so many ways.” (122:00, Curry)

• AI Bubble:
  "You go from centralized to decentralized, from decentralized to centralized. And I think we're already going into decentralized mode before these guys can even get public." (63:59, Dvorak)

• Flim Flam Etymology:
  “Flim flam emerged in the 1530s as a contemptuous echoic construction… meaning mockery.” (19:06, Dvorak)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:47 – U.S. Soccer, advertising, and the football/soccer debate
• 10:18 – Israel-Iran negotiations, cable news spin
• 19:06 – "Flim flam" etymology tangent
• 24:15 – Iran’s July 4th funeral as potential U.S. messaging
• 41:01 – Musk trillionaire supercut
• 51:41 – SpaceX IPO breakdown
• 53:01 – Apple and Anthropic AI bubble discussion
• 58:06 – All-In Pod AI censorship/corporate risk analysis
• 61:06 – Chinese open-source AI beating U.S. models
• 68:44 – TV News opener comparison (ABC/NBC/CBS)
• 80:57 – Kennedy Center stripping Trump’s name — themes of symbolism and media political bias
• 88:52 / 89:52 – "Whatever Girls" failing basic knowledge trivia
• 92:01 – Tulsi Gabbard’s statement on gain-of-function and U.S. biolabs
• 100:56 – Switzerland population cap referendum
• 113:32 – Carney’s "New World Order" speech
• 136:52 – Producer donation segment
• 143:39 – Community meetup reports

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Summary of Tone and Style

True to their form, Curry and Dvorak combine irreverence, skepticism, and snark in their review of global events, taking aim at both the substance and style of mainstream news. They heavily satirize the “flim flam” of government announcements and media narratives while foregrounding underreported or misrepresented issues (e.g., missing migrant children, biolab funding). The tone is conversational, witty, often mocking—especially regarding media incompetence, tech bubble hype, and youth ignorance.

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Transcript

[Adam Curry]

You got to be careful with dialing your knobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, June 14, 2026. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1877. This is no Agenda calling off signs. And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country, right here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where they're using Gila monster poison to lose weight, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello. Eight months ago. Everybody knows this. Hello.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're making a big fuss about it now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they were making a big fuss about it, then it just came back. It's a recycle. Recycle. What was it? What's the noise makers. Are you. You're back home, that's why. Oh, I got noise.

[Adam Curry]

I've got this. I discovered a bunch of stuff cleaning up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So I got this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get ready to get caught in these webs. Was that Spider Man? Spider man is on the scene.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Hello, child.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know where I got this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never even heard that one.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't either. That's what surprises me.

[John C. Dvorak]

You probably had it for years, didn't even know it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what happens.

[Adam Curry]

There was one woman, that Sharon, I think was her name. She kept sending me sound effect devices.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what happens.

[Adam Curry]

She stopped. I think we lost her. She's overboard.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what happens when you let your wife redecorate your house. Was she in your room?

[Adam Curry]

Not yet. Maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on. Okay, wow.

[Adam Curry]

Enough of this shenanigans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey. Go Team USA Paraguay 4 1. A good match. A good match.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Thanks to our. Our alien player, the black guy who's the only talent on the team.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's from. He was born in Brooklyn.

[Adam Curry]

I thought he was born in Nigeria.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he was born in Brooklyn. Grew up in the UK I think, but his parents are from Nigeria. Okay, so he's a. He's a boy from Brooklyn. But yes, he's definitely sounds like a

[Adam Curry]

Brit when he talks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's because he grew up there. So here's what I've noticed because I haven't really watched football, which by the way, it turns out that soccer, actually the English used that in the. You know, 100 years ago they used the term soccer and I couldn't figure

[Adam Curry]

out, but was it about the game?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, because you had football.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was about their relationships with their women.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now you had football, which was rugby, but then you had association football as soc. So people would call it soccer, as in association soccer appeals to not a spell.

[Adam Curry]

I'm surprised that you're talking about this when the Knicks just wiped out your San Antonio team in another pathetic loss by the team that seems to be Born to choke. Born to choke.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Cuban's team. So I have a love hate relationship.

[Adam Curry]

That's not Cuban's team. That's the Dallas team. That's Cuban' team.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, he has the spurs he's talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you telling.

[Adam Curry]

You heard it, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who does he have?

[Adam Curry]

The Dallas Mavericks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the Mavericks, right. Yeah. Oh, well, screw. Screw him. Anyway, I got a real laugh out of you on that one. Oh, boy. So let me go back.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because it was. It was one of those that flip around gags. They're pretty hard to pull off.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I just want to say a few things about the game, about the match. We don't call it a game called a match. And by the way, the boy from Brooklyn, that last goal off the outside of his boot. See, I've got all the terms back now because it's not. It's not a shoe. It's in football, it's a boot. Okay, so I see what they've done. You know, the biggest problem I've always seen with soccer in America is it's not advertising friendly. But they've kind of solved it in two ways. One, the digital signage. That's just great. They've got someone riding that thing. They're switching it up. It's all coordinated. It's all over the stadium. It's very subliminal. I think that works well for the advertisers. The second thing is they've instituted the hydration break, which is not a thing in soccer. Oh, we're halfway through the first half. Everybody needs a hydration break. In other words, time for commercials. It's so obvious what they did there.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it will never get as pathetic as it was watching the NBA game where every time they took the ball out of bounds, there was 10 minutes of commercials.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah. Can you turn on your speakers just a tad? A little bit of slap back coming through. But here's the thing that really threw me. Because part of the game of football is the referee. You know, he makes calls, you go yell at him. You know, everyone, big protest. That's part of the game. Now they have the var, which is the video assistant.

[Adam Curry]

The Daughters of the American Revolution.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not D V as in Victor. Oh, the video assisted referee. So this one, the one team for Paraguay. One player, he like, oh, oh, he. He kicked my shin. Oh. I'm laying on the ground and they do the slow mo. And it's obvious the guy never even touched him. So first the. The American player got a yellow card for kicking the guy in the shin, which didn't happen. Then somewhere in the booth somewhere, someone calls down to the ref, who also has a camera on his head, ref cam, and says, hey, man, we're calling a tech on that. So then the ref runs over to the sideline, looks at the monitor, sees that nothing happened. And for the first time ever in any World cup, he takes the yellow card away from the American guy and gives it to the. To the Paraguay guy.

[Adam Curry]

Gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gay. But it's kind of. It's. It's. It's not right.

[Adam Curry]

It's absolutely correct. This flopping is ridiculous. And that's what soccer's known for.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's part of the game. And you're supposed to be able to say, we lost because the ref was no good. That is part of the game.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, those days are over and they should be

[John C. Dvorak]

in our. Where is our. Where's our. Where's our coach from

[Adam Curry]

Mexico City, I think. I'm not sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's, I guess, short clip here.

[Adam Curry]

Mind you, we won the game.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's worse. It's worse than that. Here's the president wishing them good luck.

[Various News Reporters]

Brand new video of President Trump wishing the team good luck moments ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. President, Andrew Giuliani. How are you? Hi, Andrew.

[Adam Curry]

How you doing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm standing in front of 26 champions and a great coach, Coach Pochettino.

[Adam Curry]

Right now they're ready to go and run through a wall. So I'm going to give you to Coach Pochettino and the captain. Good. Hi, coach.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi, Mr. President. How are you? Well, I just going to say you're a fantastic guy, a fantastic coach, and they're all about your record and your success.

[Adam Curry]

And I know how great the players are. I think you've got a really good

[John C. Dvorak]

chance of going all the way. Yes.

[Various News Reporters]

Thank you so much.

[Adam Curry]

I just want to wish you a lot of luck.

[Various News Reporters]

Thank you so much for your support, Mr. President.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are going to do. To make proud you and all the

[Various News Reporters]

people here in this country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay. Thank you. Whatever he just said.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wait, let me get this straight. So they win one lousy game, the president gets pulled into it because this is the only game they're going to win? No, no, the American team traditionally stinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was before the game.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it was before they don't even win a game and the President gets drive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are you so unpatriotic, man? What's wrong with you?

[Adam Curry]

I'm just not a soccer fan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you don't have to be to just say go Team USA or Go, go.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I'll say it. Go Team USA now get off the stage.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the guy who keeps predicting the winner of the World Cup, I forget the guy's name. He has predicted that then America will win. And just one more sports ball nugget. The Dutch king, who is a huge football fan, he has problems because now Curacao, which is a Dutch province, has a team. They qualified, they're in there. And he has his wife, who of course is Argentinian. So he has three teams he's got to be rooting for. I mean, this is a problem.

[Adam Curry]

So you don't like sports at all and somehow you're suckered into this, into this soccer scene and you've been yakking about it. Now why? What happened? Come on, explain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I've been taking testosterone. So. So my T is up.

[Adam Curry]

I thought your tea was down. That's. Which would more likely explain it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but no, no, I have a new. Now I have a new tablets, dissolvable tablets under your tongue.

[Adam Curry]

Okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll be. This is my last foray into the tee. I'm not doing shots, okay? I'm not going to do shots. Just know this is lame.

[Adam Curry]

Jello shots.

[John C. Dvorak]

If it was jello shots, yeah, I'd do a lot of that anyway, right as we're getting ready for the deal to be signed. Any minute now. Any minute now. Oh, yeah. BBC reporting that Israel has attacked Beirut again, these guys. If that's really true, I don't see it on any other on the quad screen. But if that's true, Trump will stop

[Adam Curry]

the time we attack Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we gotta do something. Those guys are trouble. They keep mucking up the deal. It's no good. Did you see the chorus of brass that was out over the weekend about this deal? I mean, everybody had generals and vice admirals and colonels and guys from centcom.

[Adam Curry]

No, not. Well, I have some clips, but I didn't notice it was anything beyond the ordinary.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't typically see that many coming out, General Kaine. And the message is, well, the Iranians are no good. We should keep bombing them. Here to discuss the feasibility of this retired four star general, Fox News Senior strategic Analyst, Chairman of the Institute for

[Adam Curry]

the Study of War, General Jack Keane.

[John C. Dvorak]

General

[Adam Curry]

Jack Keene's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

No of course not. This is on Fox. Of course, Fox had all the warmongers on notice that the Iranians aren't pushing back so aggressively as they have in

[Adam Curry]

the past after the President said we

[John C. Dvorak]

were close on a deal.

[Various News Reporters]

Do you read anything into that?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think it remains to be

[Adam Curry]

seen where we are.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, you can tell this guy's from the Institute of War. Well, I, I think it remains me.

[Adam Curry]

See, Institute of War from Iran. I mean, the comments are always inconsistent when it comes to a deal. You got people saying they're compliant. You have other people in the government saying they're not. So it's going to take some time to ferret out what we really have here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Say what?

[Adam Curry]

What he described isn't inconsistent at all. One side says this, the other side says that. That's very consistent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but listen, we don't, we're not

[Adam Curry]

at this point without the military operation that President Trump ordered.

[John C. Dvorak]

He knew he wasn't making much progress with these guys and two nights of

[Adam Curry]

military operations with the promise of more

[John C. Dvorak]

to come certainly gave him added leverage. And I think as we go forward, we're in early stages here. Remember, it's taken us two months to get here after the cease fire when

[Adam Curry]

the Iranians said they were going to

[John C. Dvorak]

negotiate the opening of the Straits of Hormuz in two weeks. So we have to have some patience in what we're dealing with here.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have to be very clear eyed about what's happening because what the Iranians say and what they do are two different things. All right, so let's go to cnn. CNN really want us to lose everything. CNN and Ms. Now these like, we should be the losers, we should be the suckers. This is what we want. This is where it's going. Trump's no good.

[Various News Reporters]

Iran declaring victory this hour. The foreign minister going on TV tonight to make this declaration.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are the victor of this battlefield.

[Adam Curry]

The Islamic Republic of Iran has emerged as a victor.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Iranian people achieved. This is not a slogan. This is no exaggeration.

[Various News Reporters]

That's the sort of propaganda you might expect from the Iranians, but it actually happens to be something a shipping executive I spoke with tonight backs up ship stuck in the strait for now.

[John C. Dvorak]

A long time. A long time.

[Various News Reporters]

He told me, quote, unfortunately, the White House, the US Are losers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how come? Who was the name? What was the name of the guy? Why don't you have him on? Dude, this is what I don't like. Well, this backs up what some guy told me and the guy said, you know, we've had a ship out there for some, some time. So we're, we're losers. That's cnn.

[Adam Curry]

That's, that is very poor reporting.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's, that's what we get constantly. What was I looking at this morning? Someone sent me a note. It was actually, I think the oil baron also wants us to lose. I don't know what he's doing. The oil baron. Here, this was from Bloomberg. This was Bloomberg, right? Iran pushed back on US Bloomberg. Iran pushed back on US President Donald Trump's assertion an interim peace deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz was imminent as an Israeli strike on Lebanon posed a potential new risk to any agreement. And then they have the Islamic Republic said an agreement with the US Would not be reached by Trump's suggested deadline of Sunday. Iran's semi official farce news agency reported citing an unidentified official close to the negotiating team. What does that even mean? As of Friday, Iranian Supreme Leader Motaba Khamenei hadn't agreed to the text of the so called memorandum of understanding, according to a person familiar with the matter. Like this is not reporting. This is just hearsay. I know, I know, it's, it's crazy, right?

[Adam Curry]

What it was gambling.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so I still haven't heard from the oil baron about these, you know, 100 million barrels of oil. I think everyone got signed because I know that his partner has been to the White House and as part of the, the oil roundtable, whatever. I think they were all signed to NDAs about this. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

We're taking out millions, which I'm just

[John C. Dvorak]

announcing today for the first time.

[Adam Curry]

But we've been taking out millions of

[John C. Dvorak]

barrels of oil, millions of barrels every night. That's why it's at 85, $90 a barrel instead of 250.

[Various News Reporters]

He is an expert. Phil Flynn, Fox Business in Focus with me now. Phil, great to have you. If you could just walk us through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Various News Reporters]

What the president's announcement means for oil markets and why prices actually good news, not spiking higher in the US Right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's absolutely great news. And I think people really have to credit the Trump administration from averting what could have been a major economic crisis. The way that they've snuck oil out of the Strait of Hormuz by the COVID of night, you know, is something of legend. Right? You know, reminds me of the American Revolution sneaking over the Delaware in the middle of the night. But you know what?

[Adam Curry]

People in the industry exactly the same

[John C. Dvorak]

have been watching this and we've been Seeing it on the oil side, that's

[Various News Reporters]

why the markets crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have seen these tankers, you know, through these different satellite images, you know, going through the straits. So the word was out there, you know, but I don't think it was coverage. I think because loose lips, you know, sink ships. Oh, yeah, they were told that. They were told to shut up about it. It's clear now. That's why the oil baron wouldn't answer me because they all.

[Adam Curry]

That's your thesis. You don't know that for a fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but I'm hearing the guy saying we all knew about it. We were watching it on the satellite. Loose lips sink ships. That's exactly. That is a shut up mission. Now, of course I don't know that for a fact, but now that it's

[Adam Curry]

all over, maybe you don't even know if it was actually, if anything actually happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, sure. Why don't you play some clips because you're not going to be on my side on anything today. It started. I know I started you off wrong with the football. I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, you apologized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I, I'm just think there's a lot of flim flam going on and it's getting on my nerves and it's 10 and you know, so this, that, yeah, we did this, we did that and now we're doing this. And now we're doing that. It's just like, it just bothers me. So let's go with the BBC. I got BBC coverage here. This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

It bothers him, ladies and gent.

[Adam Curry]

Bothers me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please stop.

[Adam Curry]

So let's go with BBC flim flam flam.

[Various News Reporters]

President Trump has said a deal with Iran is scheduled to be signed on

[John C. Dvorak]

Sunday and will be followed by the

[Various News Reporters]

immediate reopening of the Strait of Hormuz to shipping. His comment came hours after Iran cast doubt on whether the signing would happen so soon. In a social media post, Mr. Trump insisted the agreement would ensure Iran could never get a nuclear weapon. Thomas Morgan is following developments from Washington.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was really interesting how much he mentions the nuclear program in Iran in that post, even though in this memorandum he's actually not a part of that. What it says in the memorandum is that the strait will reopen. There'll be a peace truce between the two countries, the US blockade will lift. But in terms of the nuclear program, what it says and what the deal

[Adam Curry]

says is that they will continue negotiations for 60 days.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I might point out flim Flam is a word we should is a phrase we should use more often. Where does this even come from?

[Adam Curry]

You have a source of knowledge sitting right next to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

The book of knowledge. Okay, book of knowledge, Book of knowledge. What is the etymology of flim flam? Book of knowledge always there ready for me. Let's see what he comes up with. Oh, that's to go back a long time in the old the Book of Knowledge. Flim flam emerged in the 1530s as a contemptuous echoic construction, likely from old Scandinavian origins, connected to Old Norse flim, meaning mockery. The word first entered English as deceptive nonsense in the second half of the 16th century. Flim flam. There you go. It has been written. It's mockery.

[Adam Curry]

So it's a very old 1500s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so are you.

[Adam Curry]

So it's an old and it still applies.

[John C. Dvorak]

A possible Showtime title, I think now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's actually a pretty good thing. Okay, back to the BBC. Now we have the the deal signing BS clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

So once again, it's been a day which started with optimism. Talk of some kind of agreement between the US And Iran being signed on Sunday, only for that hope to be very much left uncertain, with Iran denying that anything would happen quite so imminently. We have of course been here before. Indeed, President Trump has made a habit of announcing an agreement with ir. Iran is close. This time, however, it's not just the White House which is talking up the prospects of success. As my colleague Parham Khobadi from the BBC service explained to me, what we know so far is that they're really close to signing a deal.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because Americans are saying it, Pakistanis are

[Various News Reporters]

saying it, and even Iranians are saying it. But what we don't know is that is it going to be signed really tomorrow?

[John C. Dvorak]

Donald Trump thinks so.

[Various News Reporters]

He posted on his social media saying that it is is scheduled for tomorrow. Pakistani Prime Minister Shahball Sharif also mentioned the same thing. However, he said that it is going to be signed digitally so there is

[John C. Dvorak]

no photo opportunities that Donald Trump usually docusign likes. And Iranians, they want to deprive him of that photo opportunity so that he

[Various News Reporters]

cannot claim victory regardless what Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson has said that there is

[John C. Dvorak]

no signing tomorrow and we are not traveling anywhere, neither to Geneva nor anywhere else for tomorrow. Iranians are being more cautious about the timeline and to give the exact time and date of signing.

[Various News Reporters]

Why is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe because they haven't finalized it yet,

[Various News Reporters]

or maybe because of the Iranian hardliners.

[John C. Dvorak]

They don't want to create an atmosphere inside Iran to give opportunity to Iranian hardliners to criticize the governments. I find it interesting that Qatar all of a sudden is at the table now. I knew the Pakistanis were doing it, but now Qatar is showing up. Are those guys. Those guys may not be any good either.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're on the other side of the Strait of Hormuz, so they figure they should have something to do with that. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe Tucker will represent them.

[Adam Curry]

I got one more clip from the BBC which is this one kind of gives away something. I thought this analysis was pretty good. It's possible that this is meaningful. It's about the funeral of the dead. Of the dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is good. Hold on a second. Here it is. Yes. Another development which we've been hearing about in the news is that Iran has now said that the funeral of the late leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei will take place next month. Now, they had delayed this apparently because Iran did not want his funeral to take place in the middle of a conflict. So if they're now saying it will go ahead next month, I'm wondering whether we can read into that that they expect the conflict to be over by then. Yeah, it might be because they think that by then they should have overcome

[Adam Curry]

this conflict and this conflict.

[Various News Reporters]

You know, they've reached at least some

[John C. Dvorak]

sort of a kind of rapprochement with the United States. So there is no direct military combat going on. But the fact is that he has not been buried for almost four months, over four months, by the time, in three weeks time that they're going to bury him. And his son, who is the third Iranian supreme leader, has not been seen in public and nobody has heard his

[Various News Reporters]

voice in the meantime. So are we going to see him

[John C. Dvorak]

appear for the first time during the funeral as well?

[Adam Curry]

Because that might be one of the

[John C. Dvorak]

key factors in the equation as well, because his son has never been hurt

[Adam Curry]

or seen in public.

[John C. Dvorak]

So maybe that's the time we are going to see him for the first time. Or maybe not. Well, so first of all, I have a follow up clip to that. It's interesting how things come together on this show. Rapprochement. Why are we still using French words for deal or rapprochement agreement? Yeah. Okay. MOU Rapprochement memorandum of understanding. Well, the actual date, according to Fox News, is even funnier. State media in Iran also announced that the funeral for the former and late supreme leader there, Ali Khamenei, will start on July 4th. It'll be a multi Day event.

[Various News Reporters]

Wow, that's quite the date to choose, Rich. You hear, you hear July 4th. You hear the Supreme Leader's funeral happening on that day. Is there a massive message in there somewhere or is that reading too into things?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's unclear. There was an original time frame that this was going to happen in the early part of this month and that maybe it slid. There is an ongoing conflict in that country, in that region. So perhaps their preps got a little thrown off. But yeah, unclear if it has anything to do with the 250th anniversary, which the planning and preps for is very noticeable around this city. July 4th. Those bastards.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, good catch. I'm going to give you a borderline clip of the day for finding that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

You think the BBC would catch it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, the BBC that they, that's, they don't like that day. They don't want to bring any More attention to July 4th than is necessary.

[Adam Curry]

I have one last clip, which is the, which is the, the NPR rundown is kind of their update of the whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see. NPR rundown. I'm not seeing it. What is it?

[Adam Curry]

Is it Iran deal update? NPR Got it.

[Various News Reporters]

Both the U.S. and Iran say the

[John C. Dvorak]

signing of a peace deal is imminent,

[Various News Reporters]

but disagree on when it will happen. President Trump says it'll happen tomorrow, but a top Iranian official doesn't think it will be that soon. As NPR's Carrie Khan reports, Trump posted that a deal to end fighting between the US And Iran is, quote, scheduled to get signed on Sunday. And he added that the Strait of Hormuz, a key transport route for the world's oil and gas supply, will be, quote, open to all Pakistani officials. Key mediators said a deal was expected within 24 hours and would be signed electronically. But on Saturday, a spokesman for Iran's Foreign Ministry said a deal was coming, but, quote, we will have to wait and see about the exact date, adding it will not be Sunday. Neither side has provided details of an agreement other than Iran would open the

[Adam Curry]

straight, the US Would lift its blockade

[Various News Reporters]

and the current ceasefire would be extended for 60 days.

[John C. Dvorak]

That 60 days meme. I don't know if that's true. I keep talking about that and there's a 24 billion. They keep talking about ABC. This will kind of wrap it up. ABC had their version and as you'd expect from abc, the whole thing was ridiculous. And we're right back where we started with Obama. The two sides appear to be closer than ever to a deal to end the fighting and reopen The Strait of Hormuz. Senior White House correspondent Selena Wang is in Washington with the details. Selena, good morning.

[Various News Reporters]

Yeah, good morning, Whit. And this is the strongest sign we've seen yet that the US And Iran are getting close to an agreement to end this war. A senior administration official telling us there's an 80 to 85% chance a deal is signed in the coming days. And Iran's foreign minister says an agreement has never been closer. As for what's in this deal, that U.S. official says it would reopen the Strait of Hormuz, that critical waterway, and lift the US Blockade. But look, this is just a memorandum of understanding. A lot would still have to be hashed out over the 60 day period. The official says the deal, quote, leads to the dismantling of Iran's nuclear program. The US Taking the enriched material, destroying it and removing it from the country. But there's no specifics wit about how all of that would happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Selena, what more are you learning about what Iran would get out of this deal?

[Various News Reporters]

Well, potentially a lot. The senior administration official says if Iran holds up their end of the bargain, they'll get relief from crushing economic pressure and reintegrate into the global economy. That could include relief from U.S. sanctions and $24 billion in frozen Iranian assets. But here's something really important to keep in mind as we talk about all of this. Trump says Iran will promise.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love that. But here's. This is nlp. That was pretty good. But here's something really important to keep in mind as we talk about all this. Listen to me, listen to me. Listen to that could include relief from

[Various News Reporters]

U.S. sanctions and $24 billion in frozen Iranian assets. But here's something really important to keep in mind as we talk about all of this. Trump says Iran will promise never to build or obtain a nuclear weapon. But that promise is not new. In fact, it was in the very first paragraph of the nuclear deal negotiated under President Obama, a deal that Trump tore up, repeatedly criticizes to this day.

[John C. Dvorak]

He tore it up and he's doing the same thing. He's no good. War of choice. Yeah, war of choice. I'm thinking that the July 4th funeral date. I think that's correct. You know, my thesis has always been Trump gets what I do. Yes, but, but it's. But Trump's probably happy with it. Yeah, go ahead, do it on July 4th. Who cares? We're going to have bombs bursting in, air jets flying over Vanilla Ice. It's going to be fantastic. We got everything here in America. You're not Going to see anything that's happening? Who cares? We're going to see some people in the street. We're carrying a casket like they always do. They could use stock footage. We've seen that so many times. Then it'll all be cleared up. And just before, just before the July 4th holiday, gas prices go down, everyone's happy. Yeah, I can see it. I can see it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that would be good timing. I personally don't think they're going to get the gas prices down in time, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, they're already down. Here, here, here.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm sorry. What am I thinking? I shouldn't even be making any generalizations. I'm in California.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, correct.

[Adam Curry]

I saw some diesel prices around the corner.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm afraid to even guess.

[Adam Curry]

825.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, that is crazy. That's a lot. Well, speaking of California, real quick, I mean, it looks like Spencer Pratt has the goods on your mayor that. Well, you're not in Los Angeles, but on the mayor in Los Angeles. You see his threat video?

[Adam Curry]

I've seen all his videos, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Former reality show star and vanquished LA mayoral candidate Spencer Pratt under a mental music bed unleashing a vitriotic. This is a good piece of vanquished. And then what he said. Spencer Pratt under a menacing music bed. Menacing music bed unleashing a vitriolic two minute long video. The top two vote. And City Councilwoman Nithya Rama. And now every problem that plagues Los Angeles because of these two corrupt communists is going to accelerate. Interspliced with movie clips, Pratt predicted his loss would result in a rapid dismembering of the social and economic fabric of the city. And he claimed to possess an audio recording of a private conversation involving one of the two candidates of such a nature that its disclosure would force them to resign from public office.

[Various News Reporters]

So, Karen Nithia, ask yourself, is it

[John C. Dvorak]

possible that one of your employees may have a recording of you doing or saying something that would force you to resign?

[Adam Curry]

A disgrace FBI blazer busting the door,

[John C. Dvorak]

breaking open your office, because I assure you they're coming. So shades of Tom Arnold. I've got the pee tapes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly it. He probably doesn't have anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's see. There's one follow up short clip here. Former LA County Supervisor Xavier Zlavsky is with UCLA's Luskin Institute. He predicts most voters have moved on. People are tired of the yelling and screaming. And we saw that in the governor's race. One of the reasons Javier becerra emerges a leader is people were tired of candidates behaving like children. As for Pratt's claim that he has a secret recording. Talk is cheap. I don't take it seriously. Can I tell you how many times people said, oh, we have recordings of you? No, it's. I think it's just designed to make news. I do get these all the time. I get emails all the time. We have recordings of you. You. I, I broke into your computer. I saw you on your webcam. Webcam. I saw what you were doing. Looking at adult websites. Send me a bitcoin. Yeah, you get that all the time. Yeah, yeah, I always say, send me.

[Adam Curry]

It really flies when you don't. Haven't got a camera on your machine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Send me a copy.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, give me a copy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Make some money off of that.

[Adam Curry]

I could use it. I need the proof.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So then we have the, the big UFC fight. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That's going on. Should be going on now, shouldn't it? Or is it tonight?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think it's. No, they're doing it tonight. And. Oh, man, I really like this idea personally. UFC is, it's such a huge sport, as far as I know. It's. The whole UFC idea is kind of uniquely American. Not the, not the techniques. And of course, all the fighting comes from derivatives. But I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a huge American pastime, watching ufc. Right.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this began. This is not an old sport, so you can't call it a pastime. I mean, I think it began in earnest about 25 years ago, maybe. And there was a. I think there was two competing operations. And the initial thinking with UFC was this was during an era 25 or 30 years ago when everybody was taking different kinds of karate, Brazilian karate, jiu jitsu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And there was, there was this thinking, which of these sports is the. Would be the most dominant if they were facing off in a real, real head to head match with no holds barred?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Right.

[Adam Curry]

So. And it turns out after a few of these matches that turned out to be wrestling grappler, get the guy on the ground and start pounding him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But if you said the first, just to get anecdotal here, because I saw some of the first videotapes, because it was not on television.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

It was, it was taped and passed around. Some guy was a collector of these.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was at carnivals and back rooms.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'll tell you the original UFC fights from. And I don't know if it was called UFC at the time, but the original Fights where they had these guys, one guy be a karate guy and the boxer, they'd go after each other, one guy jump the other guy, knock him to the ground, get him in a position and then start pounding his nuts as hard as he could over and over and over with his, with extreme force until the guy, if the guy could even manage to tap out because he was in such pain, that's what I mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

A real American sport. That's what's going on.

[Adam Curry]

They had to ban the pounding of the balls because these guys are being, you know, basically never could have children after this. And this was the early going. And then they changed and they made rules and it became a little more like boxing in terms of it's, you know, being, having rules. You know, what originally was no rules, it was, you go for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have, I have three short clips of response from the usual suspects. Let's see what they think of it. We start with pbs. David Brooks.

[Various News Reporters]

David, do your Sunday night plans involve

[John C. Dvorak]

being at the White House for a UFC match by chance? Well, I'm actually active participant. I'm gonna be fighting with Jonathan. It'll be like that. I would like to see.

[Adam Curry]

Could you imagine?

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you make of this? Well, I first thought of like, who are the artists John F. Kennedy brought to the White House? It was like W.H. auden, Robert Frost, Jerome Robbins, Leonard Bernstein. And now we've got cage fighting. Don't anybody say America's in cultural decline. Well, he also brought in Marilyn Monroe and a whole bunch of chicks he was banging. But don't anyone talk about that. Let's not mention that. Ms. Now you're reporting yesterday for Ms. Now how Trump and his allies could profit from the UFC fight at the White House. And you report in part, Trump purchased 10 of thousands of dollars worth of stock in UFC parent company shortly before announcing the event last year. According to a May financial disclosure, he's holding a $1 million per plate fundraiser for his top super PAC the night before the cage match. It's his birthday. Let him do what he wants tonight. And Trump, what, what did Obama bring in? He brought in Jay Z and then Beyonce and had all kinds of fundraisers officially designed. Officially designed. A line of Trump ex UFC Freedom 250 metal medallions which are selling for $250 to $12,000. What in the grift is this?

[Various News Reporters]

When it comes to those coins, some of those profits are going to go to the president's licensing company. Now the White House says that, that his sons run The Trump Organization, businesses. But it's not in a blind trust. And never has he had any of his stuff in a blind trust, the way past presidents have traditionally done.

[John C. Dvorak]

All they can talk about is, it's a grift. He's a grifter. It's a grifter. Now, Rubio. Rubio comments on this. Rubio has an interesting take on the whole UFC fight. Secretary of State Marco Rubio defended the spectacle, calling it a gift to the American. American people. And use it. This guy is so good. Calling it a gift to the American people, is that. Yes, it's a gift to the American people. It's a. Is it. Is it free, by the way? Is it pay per view? Is it free?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're asking me? I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't know? The troll Romano defended the spectacle, calling it a gift to the American people. And you just gotta hear this bizarre, bizarre comparison he made. When President Kennedy announced that we were going to put a man on the moon and return him safely to the Earth, no one thought that was possible, and we did it. We are a nation founded on doing what no one else dared to do, and no one else aspired to do.

[Various News Reporters]

And at some level, that's what this

[John C. Dvorak]

whole company, what UFC has been, wow, isn't that good.

[Adam Curry]

Rubio is the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

He nails it on some level. That's exactly what happened with this. It was like a moonshot, man. I'm safely to the Earth. No one thought that was possible, and we did it. We are a nation founded on doing what no one else dared to do and no one else aspired to do.

[Various News Reporters]

And at some level, that's what this

[John C. Dvorak]

whole company, what UFC, has been. Laura, Vernon Lopez and Aidan McLaughlin are back with us. I'm going to just leave that alone. I'm going to leave that alone. All right. Now, what I learned, though, from NBC is that wrestling is a very, very long presidential history. Thirteen former presidents were wrestlers, including Dwight

[Various News Reporters]

Eisenhower and William Howard Taft.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even George Washington was known to grapple, according to the National Wrestling hall of Fame.

[Adam Curry]

And a young Abraham Lincoln is also

[Various News Reporters]

said to have been victorious in hundreds of matches in his day.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's only one recorded instance in which Lincoln lost a wrestling match. That's the kind of a problem president you want. And Teddy Roosevelt, as a president, he learned jiu jitsu and actually threw a senator onto the ground. I'm sure other presidents would have liked to do that themselves. I didn't know this. Go, Teddy. I'm gonna hip throw you. Yeah, see, we Got weak. Somewhere along the line, our presidents were badasses. Hey, you know, golf, Golf. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. When did the golfing thing start? Did that start with jfk? He was a golfer, wasn't he?

[Adam Curry]

No, Eisenhower was a huge golfer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Eisenhower. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know Roosevelt wasn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, his wife was.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think anybody else was.

[John C. Dvorak]

He had other qualifications.

[Adam Curry]

I think it was Eisenhower that really made it. Made it happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, it was good. It was good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, while we're on topic of personalities, Elon Musk is a trillionaire.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he is. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Good work on paper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And so I thought. I have two clips that I thought would celebrate this one is the Elon Musk super cut of everybody on msnbc, cnn, and the rest of them saying what a dummy he is.

[Various News Reporters]

This dude is probably one of the most unintelligent billionaires I have ever met or are witnessed being a freeloader and

[John C. Dvorak]

a selfish and disrespectful one.

[Various News Reporters]

And for misappropriating black vernacular for misogynistic purposes, Elon Musk is the absolute worst. The world's richest freeloader evidently has a very thin skin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Elon Musk kind of turned out to be a. And I don't want to be driving

[Various News Reporters]

the car built and designed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Elon Musk is incompetent. He's incompetent. He's a thief. He's a Nazi. Musk is a pathological liar. He's a criminal. Wow. He's a sociopath. And a ghoul cannot say that someone like Elon Musk is an intellectual. Really, what he's up to is, you know, snorting ketamine and. And tweeting at all hours of the. The day and night. The guy's. The guy's a joke, right? He really is a joke. The more I hear him talk, I'm

[Various News Reporters]

astonished at how dumb Elon Musk is,

[John C. Dvorak]

but look at what he did with SpaceX and Starlink and all these companies. He's got to be somewhat intelligent.

[Various News Reporters]

The more I hear him talk, the more I'm like, holy fucking shit.

[John C. Dvorak]

This dude tripped over his dick and became successful.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who was that at the end?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. That one last guy. I don't know who it was, but I do have a clip. This is the Musk. Hold on, hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Before you go there. The Verge. You know the Verge?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, the Verge.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they wrote this article. Let me see if I can find it here real quick. Yeah, here it is. The World's first trillionaire is a killer.

[Adam Curry]

He's a killer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Elon Musk's SpaceX IPO will probably make him the richest person ever to walk the planet. And while his mountain of horrible personal conduct could fill multiple books, the fact. One fact in particular stands out. A year ago, Musk's actions directly led to the death. Deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. And he did it knowingly and worse gleefully, so they claim here, according to a Boston University professor who did a some research. 780,000 deaths, mostly of children, many of infants, due to the USAID cuts. Oh, so brother Musk is personally responsible for the deaths. Death of hundreds of thousands. It's the Verge. What happened?

[Adam Curry]

That is pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

What happened to the Verge, man?

[Adam Curry]

They've always been sketchy, you know, that's,

[John C. Dvorak]

that's pretty bad though. Like, geez, give me a break. All right, so I just wanted to add.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's pretty, pretty slanted. So this is, you know, airy. The guy on. Is it CNN or Ms. Fleischman? Fleischman, yeah, that guy. And he's with Thomas Friedman, the, the Nobel Prize guy from the New York Times.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Economist.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, the Economist. And so they're going to go on and on about what a dumb. This is. This just came out and it's like they're still harping on Musk being kind of a dummy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there something in your view that is wrong, that is immoral? With a certain level of singular wealth accrual, whether that's a billion or 10 billion or. Now today's the first day we ever say it. Should a human have a trillion dollars while people starve? Well, it certainly seems immoral. You don't, don't have to be a believer in perfect equality to think that there's something kind of obscene about this much wealth along with this much suffering. Oh, man. Okay, Wealth.

[Adam Curry]

It's his fault.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's on paper.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, you know. Yeah, I know, but meanwhile, this much suffering that people are starving. These guys won't say anything about the. About the fraudul learning centers and the fraudulent daycares and the fraudulent food programs that nobody gets the food, which is really. Is where people are starving.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not only that, but the Department of Justice announced a huge investigation with arrests, which I think everyone who was interested in the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein would kind of be interested in this. More than 475,000 unaccompanied children entered the United States during the Biden administration. 475,000. Over 300,000 cannot be accounted for at the end of 2024, the way that this happened was typically because criminals calling themselves sponsors trafficked these children to the border, usually committing fraud to do so. And oftentimes the children were abused, assaulted and certainly exploited. In some cases, individuals would sponsor multiple children which required them to lie to government personnel and on government forms claiming they were close relatives, when in fact they were not. They would use fake or stolen identities and make other false claims during the application process in order to obtain custody of the children. I think I'm stating the obvious, that when government fails to protect our borders, it is the most vulnerable who suffer. Yeah, but there's no outrage over this or over this one particular highlight. I also want to announce today from the same district in Ohio, the Northern District, the sentencing of another criminal illegal alien who was convicted also from Guatemala. He was a 27 year old man who came to the United States, smuggled in a 14 year old child by submitting false paperwork and lying on the forms claiming to be her brother, proceeded to sexually assault this young woman. And these two cases, while only two, help explain how what was going on is really the stuff of nightmares. Yeah. And not to belabor the point, but here's a clip from dhs. Secretary Mullen, because of our partnership with HHS and doj, Department of Homeland Security, truly using the best, the best, which the Democrats sometimes want to demonize because a lot of times. This is ice, this is hsi, this is cbp. These individuals that the Democrats seem to want to defund, we found 146,000 kids so far. 146,000 kids. We still have nearly 300,000 missing. We're investigating reports to where some of these kids claim that they were raped

[Various News Reporters]

six to seven hundred times.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't care who you are, I don't care if you have kids. If you don't have kids, I don't care if you're liberal, you're independent, you're a Democrat, you're Republican. Republican. If you can't stand for law enforcement to go find these kids, who are you? A Democrat, who are you? So no one seems to care about this. I thought.

[Adam Curry]

No, they don't care. In fact, they encourage it. Well, I mean, I mean you can't say that. I mean that's not true, but it seems as if it could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's this theory and, and I won't say I got it from Texas Slim, but I did.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds like a Texas theory already.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if you watch Dutton Ranch, we talked about it, that's another TAYLOR SHERIDAN SERIES and what will unfold in this series, spoiler alert for anybody who cares about it is that the 10 petal ranch they are using their cattle operation because they have Mexican crossbreeds, not Texas Angus but Mexican crossbreeds which they bring up from Mexico and they use that to smuggle drugs and people. And I've received enough information about this to think that there's something to it and that's probably where this screwworm stuff comes from because there's so much cattle being moved from south of our border that not everything is investigated and they, and they put drugs in the cattle. They've got compartments where there's people could be children, could be all kinds of stuff stuff. We're going to see that this will be the biggest scandal while you know our, our, our ranchers are being screwed over the, this, all this crap beef from South America and, and Mexico is coming through Mexico coming up and is being used as giant, giant gigantic smuggling carrier vehicles. And I think wow, man, that's totally possible that they, because you know there's so much cattle they're not going to go into every single cattle car and check every single, you know, everything out. It's a perfect cover for it. I'm not saying I heard that from anybody by the way, Texas Slim wants everybody know that after six years on the road, thousands of handshakes with ranches across the country, he's going to pull back and return for a little bit to where all this started. He's resting for 21 days. He will be okay. But he is, if you don't hear from him keep an eye on his ex account. He'll be back in about three weeks. So he's going to be okay. Okay. He's going back to the source of the seed anyway. I think we'll see. We will. This is where DHS and all those guys should, they should pay attention to the, to the beef industry and if maybe some smuggling is happening through that

[Adam Curry]

says the gossipy women in.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. None of the women hear say now on the, on the SpaceX IPO I have to say wow, well executed. They did this so well. I don't know if you saw if you were following any of it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the price was set at 135 but they were, I mean you know because typically you want. They were just running the book, getting the book all jacked up pre market it was like 170 came out 150 which is so well done. I think it was Morgan Stanley. I Think they're the stabilizer. So you got all these banks like people unloading their shares. They'll buy them up so the price stays high. All those SpaceX top employees are wearing green shoes. Did you hear any of that?

[Adam Curry]

No, I didn't know about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know what a green shoe is?

[Adam Curry]

It's a shoe that's colored green.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So the green shoe is named after the green shoe Company. In 1960, they had an IPO. Every IPO has a green shoe, but this one was interesting. So the green shoe means if the price stays above a certain point for 30 days, there's an extra tranche of shares that can be sold that the insiders hold, which would be the people who literally were wearing green shoes at the ipo. You could, you could see them. Oh, they're wearing green shoes. The interesting thing about this is it's $11 billion worth of shares with zero fees going to the underwriters. Somehow Elon got that put together. So if they can keep it above 150 for 30 days as another just a nice cash bonus for everybody. It was so well done and I think it'll be okay. You know, people are focusing more on rockets. Rockets and not on the XAI part. But I think very quietly the bubble popped on. Yes, I think it's, I think it's. Yes, I think it's popping. Would you like to, you know, you like to hear why?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'd love to hear why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so it started with the.

[Adam Curry]

You know what happens when a bubble pops, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it goes pop. And kids cry.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, a lot of kids cry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think it's, I really believe it's still. It's happening and I'll just tell you why. Anthropic and OpenAI are waiting for their public offerings and their entire model is built on charging people for using their stuff. And we all know that the model there doesn't work. People are paying maybe 10 or 100x less than it actually costs. And there's all these data centers and there's hundreds of billions of dollars in data centers. The first clue came from the Apple wwdc. I think they still call it a keynote. Now the whole thing is like lame. Oh, we've got liquid glass and you have this. Who cares? And then, oh, we fixed Siri. But forget Siri. Siri is just the front of what's happening with the hardware that Apple is building with their own silicon chips. This is the, the guy who co founded Siri and before they sold it to Apple and I think he's, he's telling us what is happening. Servers or private cloud compute, I think was the language that they use. But they also said, look, there's, there'll probably be some sort of a data cap, if you will, which I assume you can probably buy out of. But it gets to this idea of the utility relative to the cost. Do you think they're going to find a way to, I guess, strike that balance for the consumer? Yeah, I think 80 to 90% of every query that you're going to use as a consumer, you'll be able to run on an on device model, which means you have a, essentially a data center in your pocket. There you go, you got a data center in your pocket. This is where Apple is moving. And then we had this strange thing happened just on Friday with Anthropic with their incredibly dangerous model, Mythos, now renamed Fable 5, where they withdrew the model from use. Anthropic marketed their latest product as dangerous. That's come back to bite them. We are complying with the government's legal directive and are removing access to Fable

[Adam Curry]

5 and Mythos 5 for all users.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just days ago, the artificial intelligence company rolled out its most advanced chatbot, Fable 5. It's meant to be a safer version of Mythos, an AI model it withheld

[Adam Curry]

from general release, claiming it posed significant cybersecurity risks. In recent weeks, Anthropic has insisted on more industry oversight, even enlisting the support

[John C. Dvorak]

of the Pope, and floated the option to pause advanced AI developments. Right now, it's like the AI industry has a gas pedal, but it doesn't have a brake pedal in the car. And what we're saying is we want to do some of the work required to build that brake pedal, so we in the world have an option now. The US Government has ordered Anthropic to suspend access to Fable and Mythos for foreigners, citing national security concerns. As a result, it's been abruptly disabled for everyone. It escalates a dispute with the Trump administration which began when Anthropic insisted its tech should not be used for lethal autonomous weapons. Anthropic is run by an ideological lunatic who shouldn't have.

[Various News Reporters]

That's not my question. My question is AI decision making over

[Adam Curry]

what we we do.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's also an escalation in American efforts to stop China from accessing advanced AI and catching up in the race to control the all important technology. Okay, so I think that Anthropic made a very, very bad mistake here. So people were, you know, you could select your model you got your opus 4.8, your sonnet, whatever, and there's Fable 5. And everybody's like, oh, this is great. We're using it because of course it's. No, it's not dangerous. This is Chad GPT2. They said it was going to kill everybody in the world. Nothing has happened. Not. No one's lost it. Yes, people have lost their job, but overall, more engineers are being hired. There's all kinds of things that are just not turning out to be true with this very scary AI. But if you are in Enterprise and all of a sudden your model goes away that you've been using, that you've built something on, you're going to think twice about this. And so the all in pod. Yes, I have to bring some clips from the all in pod. Yeah, I have to. As an aside, Jason Calacanis does a great Bernie Sanders. He really nails that. It's not in this clip, but he really nails it. So what's happening is Anthropic is now looking at your prompts, deciding not just your prompts, but your entire context window and deciding if you should be able to use a model or not. Which, you know, could. They could censor you out of a model if they feel that, oh, you're asking about DNA or chemical processes, you may be a terrorist bloop, we're going to turn you off of that model. And nobody wants this. Who's running a business and relies on it.

[Various News Reporters]

I think that it creates a pretty obvious risk now. And I think that obvious risk is twofold. One, one is Anthropic has essentially shown their hand, which is that they will increasingly take in prompts, evaluate the prompts and decide what to do with them before they generate output to you. And I think if you were a person, you should generally now think there's a risk of censorship if you're a company. I think it's almost a non starter. And the reason is because you could accidentally trip one of these things without even knowing it. A downstream scientist using the cloud APIs could trip it. A business executive inside your corporation could trip it. A person doing scientific molecular research could trip it. And all of a sudden you'll get cut off from a very important source of business differentiation for yourself. So I think if you take both of those two things together, we're at this very unique moment in time where I think companies need to start underwriting this next phase of AI, which is how do I have control? Who am I allowing to learn off of all of this information? Do I want to have single point of failure, right risk with respect to AI. And I think the answer is that you need broad diversity and a governance approach that's better managed.

[John C. Dvorak]

So all of these guys in this all in pod, you know David Sachs who was the, the, the crypto/AI czar, that was Chamath, he's some Silicon Valley hotshot investor. Of course there's jcal who doesn't love him and then there's this dude Freeberg and I'm not sure Freberg lives in California and he, he has a company that does DNA exploration on plants. He's trying to build better potatoes or something. But he sees exactly where this has to go and how it actually doesn't benefit American companies, it benefits the Chinese.

[Various News Reporters]

Over the last couple of weeks they've begun to restrict the ability to use the models to do that work.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the premise is that there's some sort of bioweapon type risk that folks

[Various News Reporters]

have theorized could happen using these tools. And as a result we're losing the capacity to use these models for this very important scientific development work. As a result, we are likely going to end up needing to use open source models and run them locally ourselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the reason I walk through all of that is so people can really

[Various News Reporters]

understand the context of what's going to happen here.

[John C. Dvorak]

As folks like Anthropic say, hey, we're

[Various News Reporters]

going to restrict access or censor the output of these models, it is going

[John C. Dvorak]

to force companies like ourselves who still

[Various News Reporters]

want to take advantage of the capability of these LLMs to go and get

[John C. Dvorak]

open source tools and run them. And what are the best open source models today?

[Various News Reporters]

They're Chinese. Yeah, they are.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that is a major concern. The American open source models are not

[Various News Reporters]

as good as the Chinese open source models.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the restrictions that Anthropic and others are putting upon themselves and upon the

[Various News Reporters]

industry is forcing a lot of companies to go and get open source Chinese models and run them.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're seeing this across the landscape with

[Various News Reporters]

startups, we see it with large scale enterprises.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everyone's making that move. And it's true. If you look at YouTube, there's hundreds of videos, 15 minutes to an hour long, people explaining how you run this on your computer, how you can run models on your phone, how you can build your own chatbot. It's not that hard to do actually. And they're all saying, well, we can't trust Anthropic, we can't trust any of these things. And these models are pretty good. If you just want a chat Bot that can do searches. It's very easy to put together. But it's Dave, this last one, David Sachs, who flags what Anthropic may really be trying to do, which I think is stupid if it's true. But they're trying to build a moat around what they have by cozying up to the government, saying we need regulation. You're missing one piece of it, which is at the same time that Anthropic was engaging in mandatory surveillance and nerfing

[Various News Reporters]

its model, Dario wrote a new blog post.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh God. Saying that transparency was no longer good enough, that we needed to have a new regulatory agency like an FAA or maybe an FDA to approve all models. So your presumption there is correct?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you could go somewhere else to get your questions answered, then you would have alternatives. But at the same time, time that Anthropic is engaging in this potentially anti competitive behavior, they want to restrict your options. It's not good enough for them just to win in the free market. They're calling on the government to regulate and stop potential competitors and limit the number of models that you have access to. Why would they do that? Why would they want to get regulated? The answer? Super simple.

[Various News Reporters]

They don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

They want to apply that regulation to

[Various News Reporters]

open source, which is impossible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Possible.

[Various News Reporters]

But this would be a great way to scuttle and sandbag open source models. Yes, because they don't have the ability to be regulated. So it's like a preemptive strike against

[John C. Dvorak]

token maxing on your local machine. So my thesis is that people have seen it. People have seen the success you can get with open source model. Running on your Mac Mini, running on your iPhone, running on your Linux. But it can run on anything. There's a lot of movement towards that. And this is what we always see in computing only this is at hyperspeed. You go from centralized to decentralized, from decentralized to centralized. And I think we're, we're already going into decentralized mode before these guys can even get public. Someone's going to report on this on CNBC at some point and people are going to go, hmm, what is really happening here?

[Adam Curry]

So let's listen to this clip from NPR on how Anthropic got banned by the government. So I can put it in context.

[Various News Reporters]

Anthropic abruptly shut down its latest AI models after the Trump administration banned the use of those by foreign nationals. NPR's John Ruich reports.

[John C. Dvorak]

According to a statement from Anthropic, the government's directive cited unspecified national security concerns. It ordered a suspension of access by foreign nationals to Anthropic's Fable 5 and Mythos 5 models that that includes foreigners inside and outside the US and even foreigners working for Anthropic. The Mythos AI model has been a source of buzz in recent months. Anthropic decided not to release it to the public in March because the company believed it could potentially help hackers exploit computer security flaws. So it came up with a workaround. Fable 5, an advanced model with extensive safeguards, was released this week. Anthropic says it thinks the government is concerned that there may be a way to jailbreak the model to get around those safeguards. But Anthropic says it disagrees with the ban. Okay, I have thoughts, but you want to put it into context and give comments?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't have any thoughts. Tell me your thoughts.

[John C. Dvorak]

First of all, it looks like the Trump administration is purposely trying to blow something up. This. Let's start with the basis, this marketing hype of, oh, Mythos is so dangerous, we can only give it to the top five biggest banks under Project Glasswing. No one else can have it. Then they release it with guardrails. But they've done tons of experiments with the same prompts for, you know, free BSD vulnerabilities. And all the other models found the vulnerabilities too. So it's not like they have something super special. They don't. And they. And when, you know, I'm not. I haven't seen the exact order or request or what it is by the Trump administration, but they could solve that in multiple ways. You know, it's no different from a bank account. Like, okay, we need to know your customer. Are you a foreign national? Let me check your record, show us your id, et cetera. Even then, that's kind of wishy washy. But then they turned it. That was the mistake. They were, oh, we're just going to turn it off. I think those guys are crazy. They never should have done that. They should have at least fought that, that. But they didn't. So they want to build some kind of moat around their super dangerous stuff, but it's really having the. The adverse effect. People are like, oh, okay, Quinn, 3.6 works fine for me. I get the same results. All it's doing is building tools and using web searches. The corpus is no longer important. It's just not. You get your open model, you can adjust the weights, you can put whatever you want in there. I think it's maybe a slow leak then, but the bubble is going to pop based upon what's happening here from the data center to the desktop and in your pocket. Short now. Oh, wait, they're not public.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you said the bubble popped. Now you're saying it's leaking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, popped, but people didn't hear it pop yet. I think none of this makes sense all that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if it doesn't make sense, that means there's probably something we don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the thing I know, I've been working on with it extensively, is these local models work very well. And if a podcaster, disc jockey, VJ can figure it out, other people can I watch the YouTube video?

[Adam Curry]

I like the way you do that bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just a podcaster man.

[Adam Curry]

Podcaster, dj, vj.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's.

[Adam Curry]

That's vj. Oh, yeah, vj, who's always been kind of a nerd.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but everybody's a nerd these days. Look, you can just go watch a YouTube video. The guys explain exactly how to do it. Like, oh, I click on this, I click on that, I download that, and now it's working. That's what the whole open claw thing is.

[Adam Curry]

There's a lot of good stuff on YouTube.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I should do a YouTube channel. VJ hacking. All right, that's just my thoughts invest.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, good, because you're. You have so many opinions. I have to give you this. I have to do it all. It's not an ask Adam, but I did a three by three. Even though he says two by two. I don't know why that happened. Three typos.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the. It's the stuff they used to put you asleep, man. That stuff.

[Adam Curry]

I talked about these before. These are the openers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do the jingle first.

[Adam Curry]

Now it's time for three by three experiment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Comparing stories from abc, CBS and NBC. The never ending two by two, two by two and three by three. Okay, these are the three stories.

[Adam Curry]

These are the openings of the three networks for Friday's show. Friday's news shows. The Yamish, you know, Tom Yamis and the rest of them. And yeah, I want. I want you to pay careful attention because their main stories that took place were the. The Knicks upsetting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but that.

[Adam Curry]

Not the game that just played yesterday, but the. The game before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And they must be coming. A trillionaire tornadoes in the Midwest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And one or two other stories that they. It turns out that they're not as matched as you might think. They're not even close to being the same length ABC stretch to over two minutes. Yeah, it's long and CBS keeping it short.

[John C. Dvorak]

CBS has more ad, they have more ad load.

[Adam Curry]

And so I want you to tell me which is the best because my opinion has always been NBC's done the best job, but after listening to these three, I can't say that anymore. And the blend is totally different from network to network. Let's start with the long one with ABC.

[Various News Reporters]

Tonight, the severe storm threat for millions as we come on the air. More than 90 million on alert from the Midwest into the Northeast.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's very good. You start, we come on the air. That's this urgency. It's well written. I like it. Start with death and destruction with the storm on the air.

[Various News Reporters]

More than 90 million on alert from the Midwest into the Northeast. A tornado watch across multiple states. Pounding rain, violent winds into the night. And through tomorrow, dangerous heat in the triple digits. Lee Goldberg is tracking at all hours. After President Trump threatened a major escalation in the war in Iran, his sudden about face calling off new military strikes. The president now says a deal with Iran could be in place as early as this weekend. Rachel Scott reports from the White House. The images coming in a series of explosions level a home and rock an entire neighborhood. A massive fireball. At least nine homes damaged tonight, the chilling political assassination of that stunned the country. The accused killer admitting to the attacks, pleading guilty to murdering a Minnesota lawmaker and her husband and critically wounded a state senator and his wife. President Trump announces his nominee for the next director of national intelligence amid bipartisan backlash over who will fill the role on an acting basis. Angry lawmakers leave town without approving a key spy tool. Here in New York, celebrations get out of control after after the Knicks historic comeback against the spurs in Game 4 of the NBA Finals, dozens of fans arrested, some throwing eggs at spurs star Victor Wembanyama. Outside the team's hotel tonight, the urgent warning about a growing criminal trend. Authorities say teenagers are being recruited online for violent crimes, including killings, bombings and abductions. Video shows the moment one police officer mistakenly is shot by another. The police police chief is calling it horseplay. The World cup now officially underway. Dolly Parton launches her own coffee line. A famous song inspiring the name of her brand. And the miracle comeback after being down 29 points against the Spurs. The faces of the Knicks fans tell the story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. World headquarters in New York. Okay, this is, this is WORLD News Tonight interim review. Just as I was getting upset, I was going to say where is the human interest story? Which is typically lost puppy found kitten in the tree. Something that warms your heart we got Dolly Parton. Well, we got the Knicks. You know, after we had the Knicks destroy the city, then we had, they

[Adam Curry]

did the Knicks twice in this tease.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they did did the horrible story and then the kind of uplifting story. Everyone likes an uplifting sports story. What caught my ear was Dolly Parton's coffee brand based upon a famous song. I've not heard it, but I'm just guessing. It's the song Jolene. And she sings Caffeine. No, it's funny though, the caffeine, Caffeine, caffeine, caffeine. That's what I would have done if I were naming her coffee.

[Adam Curry]

So they got they covered pretty much everything except. Except where's Elon Musk's trillionaire?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not in there. Good catch.

[Adam Curry]

It's not in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Wait, this was from Friday night.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's all from Friday. It's all after the trillionaire thing happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Should have been in there. Should have been in there. Okay, which is next?

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's go to the next longest one, which would be NBC Breaking news

[John C. Dvorak]

as we come on the air. They also. As we come on the air, this. I don't think I've heard him say that in two different reports. And we need to start doing.

[Adam Curry]

They're all doing this as we come

[John C. Dvorak]

on the air here for your pod. Breaking news as we come on the air. President Trump saying a deal with Iran could be signed as soon as this weekend.

[Adam Curry]

The president announcing the deal is almost

[Various News Reporters]

finalized and that he's called off another

[John C. Dvorak]

round of strikes set for tonight. What Iran is now saying about this deal. Tornadoes tearing across the Midwest. One ripping the roof off this home. Pool chairs flying off a Chicago rooftop crashing right into traffic. The threat now pushing east. Al Roker standing by for us. These images just did of a deadly plane crash into a home in Ohio. Golf star Phil Mickelson removed from his longtime club as a new report says

[Adam Curry]

he was accused of inappropriate content contact

[Various News Reporters]

with a female employee.

[John C. Dvorak]

His team's denial tonight, shocking dash cam video showing a police officer accidentally shooting another officer. The chief calling it horseplay gone wrong. World cup kickoff, we're there for the first game. The fans going wild and the clashes with protesters outside the stadium. Our series the Cost of Denial. And the new government report slamming popular Medicare Advantage plans for too many denials.

[Various News Reporters]

95% of them overturned.

[John C. Dvorak]

The mystery on the national mall. Giant numbers 86, 47 imprinted onto the grass. Is it a signal against President Trump? White House cage match. Our first up close look at the octagon ahead of the big UFC fight this week weekend. And there's good news tonight. The biggest comeback in NBA Finals history, sending famous fans like Jimmy Fallon, Larry David, even Taylor Swift into a frenzy. Nightly News starts right now. This is NBC Nightly News with Tom. Yes. Okay. Analysis here. I love how their, their music bed has so much tension when it starts off, off. But, but they don't have like, like ABC had and cymbals and crash and they had nat pops and all kinds of stuff. And after you hear that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they did, they did have a couple nat pops during the tornado thing with where you heard someone in the background you say, oh my God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, some of that. But after what happens is the, the, the music bed gets in the way of that at a certain point because if you, if you can't continuously be telling me about death, destruction, we're all going to die. We on this news at this hour, then it gets boring and then you kind of lose interest. And they should have shifted the music when he says and now some good news, you know, do something different there. So that's just my opinion as a television producer.

[Adam Curry]

They did have, they did have the World cup mentioned, which ABC did not mention.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's correct. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which is good news.

[John C. Dvorak]

No Elon.

[Adam Curry]

And they did not have Elon.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no Elon.

[Various News Reporters]

Yo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Elon. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So we have, so you can see there's a slight difference. So the editorial room where they make these decisions is varied enough that it's kind of entertaining to try to see what one like the Phil Mickelson story was not in the ABC report and it's no place else and in a Medicare breakdown.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Jamis doesn't have that intensity.

[Adam Curry]

I like Jamis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But I'm just saying if I would have said take this back, recut it, boys. It's not good enough. Now cbs, I haven't heard these. Obviously CBS has been really good with quick nat pops and quick words from people in their reports. So I'm curious about their new opener and are they coming on the air at this moment?

[Adam Curry]

We'll find out. Good evening, I'm Matt Gutman in for Tony decouple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tonight, a standoff in a shooting. At least one person killed and 10 wounded in West Texas. The shooter also dead or live from the scene. Tornadoes tear through the Midwest. The moment a storm chaser saved a man trapped under the rubble of a good one house. Tens of millions in the path of potentially dangerous storms and brutal heat.

[Adam Curry]

SpaceX blasting off in an historic stock

[John C. Dvorak]

IPO making Elon Musk the world's first trillionaire. Why some are concerned about the unprecedented wealth and power in one person's hands. That possible peace deal with Iran looking more likely tonight. Iran says an agreement has never been closer, but will it actually happen? What the president is warning tonight. World cup fever spikes. US Men's team facing off tonight against Paraguay. Katy Perry starting the party at the opening ceremony. And Steve Hartman on the road with twin sisters not related by blood, but by bond.

[Various News Reporters]

We have a bond that we think no one else can break.

[Adam Curry]

From CBS News headquarters in New York,

[John C. Dvorak]

this is the CBS Evening News with Tony Dacopol. Okay, bad start because they didn't come on the air at this moment. Very poor. They should have at least replicated that.

[Adam Curry]

I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love how they brought in early.

[Adam Curry]

Early.

[John C. Dvorak]

They whipsawed you by saying, you know, destruction, tornadoes, how a storm chaser saved somebody's life. Yeah. Okay, I'm interested. Then they went into Elon. Good. And then immediately contrasted that with. He might have too much power. But then what was this with the twins at the end? The whole thing fell apart. What was that story?

[Adam Curry]

It was their story at the end is the human interest story, which they tease. Only ABC and CBS tease the human interest today because NBC usually does, but they didn't on on Friday. It's just a lame story. Steve Hartman is the guy that, you know, is like Charles Kuralt used to be on the road and he's out. You know, Charles Caroll, of course, had two families, famously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And he was on the road so he could go, which was just, honey, I'm home. Honey, yeah, I gotta go on the road again. Can you imagine?

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a lot of people like that, though. You keep hearing these stories.

[Adam Curry]

I guess it seems like a lot of work. It seems like way too much work.

[John C. Dvorak]

One family is more than I need. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

So I just thought. It didn't. But it didn't. It missed a lot. It didn't have anything about the Knicks. No, didn't have anything about.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was weak. It was very weak.

[Adam Curry]

Had the main story. The main stories were, I thought Tornado, Musk, Tornado, Iran. Those are the three big ones. And then World cup is optional. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

CBS was the worst of the. I really thought ABC was the best. Even though it was long. I thought it was the best. They really packed.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was the best too, except that it left the Elon off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Off. So let's listen to the top of the show on Ms. Now, shall we? Because this Is the one story that none of your three by threes or two by twos even had, and that is this. And for that, we switch to circle back Saki.

[Various News Reporters]

So this was the crowd that gathered outside of the Kennedy center this morning to watch as workers set up scaffolding to strip Trump's name from the building.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one had Trump's name being stripped from the building. There were people out there watching, watching at night, standing there, waiting, waiting, waiting for this clap. Yes.

[Various News Reporters]

Online, literally millions of people. We've talked about this already watched live streams for hours, which is remarkable given the big action they were watching. Was basically scaffolding being built. Now, in person, there were cheers, there was a drag queen, there were bubbles. Who says DC Isn't fun people here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why? Why do lefties, I want to call it Democrats, but why will lefties always associate arts with drag queens and bubbles and rainbows? Why? It annoys me. It really does. It annoys me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I guess it would. It would annoy anybody.

[Various News Reporters]

Scaffolding being built now, in person, there were cheers, there was a drag queen, there were bubbles. Who says D.C. isn't fun? We have lots of fun people here. It looked like quite the party. And there to celebrate her victory was Democratic Congresswoman from Ohio, Joyce Beatty. You see, the reason any of this is really happening today is because Joyce Beatty is on the board of the Kennedy Center. And when Trump's new appointees to that board added his name to the center, she sued, arguing that legally an act of Congress was required to rename the building. And last month, a judge agreed with her, saying, quote, congress gave the Kennedy center its name and only Congress can change it. The judge ordered Trump's name be stripped from the building by tonight. And yesterday, the Trump appointed leadership at the Kennedy center tried to get that decision paused. Then this morning, the judge denied that request, saying Trump's name had to go. And then this afternoon, after the scaffolding had been built and workers were ready to start peeling off Trump's name, the Trump appointed leadership at the Kennedy center tried again. They appealed the decision. Tonight, that appeal was rejected. And I kid you not. Moments after that final, final appeal was rejected, a literal rainbow appeared across the Kennedy Center. A double rainbow, actually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the gay God approves. This is. This is. Man, that is pathetic.

[Adam Curry]

Talk about banal.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this Beatty woman, she's the one that sued over this? Everybody, all the cable news, she's a transgender. Is she?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Might be. Let's see what she has to say. Why do you think he keeps focusing on these things.

[Various News Reporters]

I think it's because it's who he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that having this role has

[Various News Reporters]

made him to himself. This is a vanity project.

[John C. Dvorak]

What Having this role has made him to himself. She's what?

[Adam Curry]

I think so. She's illiterate, whoever she is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen to her.

[Various News Reporters]

I think that having this role has

[John C. Dvorak]

made him to himself. Whoa, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Hold on a second.

[Various News Reporters]

This is a vanity project for him. All the gold in the White House tearing down historical rooms and venues that have been there. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Tearing down historical rooms and venues that have been there. She's. She is captured, man. She's captured by something that it's not based in reality.

[Various News Reporters]

Tearing down historical rooms and venues that

[John C. Dvorak]

have been there and putting what I think he calls his trademark on it.

[Various News Reporters]

So I think it's all about him, that he wants people to always remember that he was there. Not what he did, not how he fought for the country and not how he stood up for our democracy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Democracy and the rule of law.

[Various News Reporters]

He wants to be a dictatorship, and that's what dictators do.

[John C. Dvorak]

He wants to be a dictatorship.

[Adam Curry]

He doesn't want to be a dictator. He wants to be a dictatorship.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dictatorship altogether. And then we wind it out with the Miz now crew. I'm listening to him. I wrote down here, split screen. I keep going back to the reporting of Susie Wiles, the chief of staff, basically saying to everyone in the administration, listen, let Trump be Trump. But you guys relentlessly focus on the economy. At what point will someone realize, perhaps the chief of staff, that having that kind of split screen in any White House, but particularly this White House, is what's fueling this anger. Because you can't have the President of the United States with the biggest megaphone out there with his gladiator fight. I'm so glad you said that. The gladiator fight on the South Lawn and saying in the Oval Office, I love the inflation. And meanwhile, people can't buy gas. They're having trouble meeting. Meeting their payments. At what point will the White House say, you know what? We need a unified mess, unified message here. Strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Do people want K part guy?

[Various News Reporters]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that the K part guy or is that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was cape hard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can't tell if it's K part or the guy with the fro. I can't tell. It's hard to tell them apart. I thought the. The trende Aragua killing Nino Guerrero. I thought that got underplayed a lot.

[Adam Curry]

But before you, before you drift over there, I have a couple that since you played an idiot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh, boy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, listen to him catch the queue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's because the troll room was already doing over unders on these clips.

[Adam Curry]

That's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he could do Kalshee bets. Will Dvorak play a Whatever Girls clip?

[Adam Curry]

I have two Whatever girls for today's show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, I could have made a kid killing.

[Adam Curry]

You could have made a killing. Yeah, on the. On the prop bet business. Yes, because that, you know, we just played a dummy. So let's hear these. These women who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Future representatives of our country is. Who we're going to listen to.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, the girls who, some of them did not really pay much attention in grammar school.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, should I go? Is that the cue?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. How many planets are in our solar system? Oh, goodness. Nine. Like 25. Okay.

[Various News Reporters]

Like currently.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do kind of like how when they say something stupid, the guy goes, okay, yeah, yeah, that's a good. That's a good bit. Okay, okay. Like currently 100 years ago.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, currently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Currently 11. The government building, the Pentagon is what shape?

[Various News Reporters]

Like the pyramid.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a pyramid. Okay, what country is directly north of Mexico? Like Spain.

[Adam Curry]

That's not too far from Tel Aviv.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many months are in a year, Gemma?

[Various News Reporters]

15, 12, sometimes 13. It really just depends on if we have a leap year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she said 15:12. Sometimes weird, like Greek. Ancient Greek calendar or some. How many sides does a triangle have?

[Various News Reporters]

Oh, that's a real hard one. 4.

[John C. Dvorak]

What country gifted the Statue of Liberty to the United States, starting with you?

[Various News Reporters]

Tel Aviv.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not a country, Mother.

[Various News Reporters]

No, that actually was Italy. England.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, I remain. This is a national security issue. These. These children cannot be walking around the streets. They need to be educated right away. And it's not the. It's not that they don't know the facts. You know, these, these trivia questions. It's how they bounce around guessing on stuff. And

[Adam Curry]

that's a great observation. Yes. Because in fact, they get into an argument. One of them says, well, it's 13 to 13 months in a year, depending on whether it's a leap year. Where do you get that? And the other one says, no, it's 15 months in a year. You don't know how many months there are in a year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tel Aviv.

[Adam Curry]

And Tel Aviv. How does that get in their brain?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is what happens when you doom. Scroll all day and just stuff just sticks there. Like Tel Aviv. Okay. Scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll. Nine planets, scroll, scroll. I'm surprised no one said, well, third rock from the sun is Mars. Because that was a good TV show. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The third rock from the sun. Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Is Earth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, that. But that. This is what I expect them to say.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You see something like that. Sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's go to the next one. Let's. More uplifting clips from.

[Adam Curry]

More uplifting clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Name three countries besides the usa, starting with you.

[Adam Curry]

Texas, Mexico, England, Israel, Europe. I also have to say I don't know Texas too.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many continents are there? 4.

[Various News Reporters]

6.

[John C. Dvorak]

1. Name one continent. Russia.

[Various News Reporters]

What two countries border the USA?

[Adam Curry]

South America and North America.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Various News Reporters]

Israel and Germany.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many states in the USA? Was it 57 or something?

[Adam Curry]

13.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the capital of the USA?

[Various News Reporters]

Gemma of the USA.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Like British Columbia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now they're just being silly. And now just being silly. Were they in hot pants?

[Adam Curry]

No. They never show their overall attire just as the waist up. Unless they get up and. Or get thrown off the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is. Why don't they ever get dumb? Boys are boys. Not stupid like this Is this only women?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they could. Some women could do a. There's not all the women are. I mean they have a. He has a bunch of women on his side of the. Of the dais basically that, that are right smart. And they're condemning these girls constantly. There was a good debate recently where one of them says how do you ever expect to get married? You don't even know. And she just blather nails her with all her stupidities. And the girl. It's weird show. It's too long to watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

I warn you, my friend. I warn you. This is contagious. Don't watch.

[Adam Curry]

I only get the clips from their feed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't watch too much of this because

[Adam Curry]

the feed has these occasional Q and A's which I think are just man on the street stuff, which is always good for a laugh. But it's. It's the border. It border. Like you said, it border. Borderlines on national security issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd vote for him. No problem. So Tulsi Gabbard made a statement.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, this was great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which I clipped it down to three bite sized bits. So.

[Adam Curry]

Because it was long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too long. Too long. And she, you know what she misses? I mean it could have been AI Actually you had the robot check it out.

[Adam Curry]

Very AI robotic. That's a problem. She doesn't have a lot of impact when she.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I mean she'd be saying 120 US funded Biolabs in 30 countries, people. This is insane. What's going on?

[Various News Reporters]

No, instead, after months of searching through intelligence Community holdings and files. Today I'm releasing new evidence of long standing US government funding of more than 120 biolabs in over 30 countries. Now these biolabs include labs in places like Ukraine which could be at risk of compromising compromise due to the ongoing Russia Ukraine war. In fact, the intelligence community had previously warned that a US funded biolab in Ukraine likely housed dangerous pathogens and remained vulnerable to long standing threats of Russian attack, seizure or damage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Part of the problem here is that we know all this. This was this when we were taught we were talking about this years ago. Like oh yeah, then the Russians is, you know, you got to be careful. They can blow up these bio labs. We can kind of files did we have to unearth to prove this?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it wasn't proved. It was, it never was proved. It was just, you know, there's conspiracy theorists who are out there talking about it podcast. But the White House was when Jen Psaki, right, she, she. There's actually clips of her saying no, there's no, we don't do any of that. This is bull crap. This is a conspiracy theory by a bunch of right wing nuts. Nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm trying to see what clips we had about biolabs,

[Adam Curry]

but yeah, there was a couple of nasty ones in Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, let me see. What do we have here? This is interesting. What is this?

[Various News Reporters]

So here are the facts. Ukraine owns and operates its own public health laboratory infrastructure.

[Adam Curry]

Infrastructure.

[Various News Reporters]

These facilities make it possible to detect and diagnose diseases.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who is this? Can you tell by the voice?

[Adam Curry]

I can barely hear it. You got to turn it up a little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the U.S. i think it's the black woman who was the ambassador to

[Various News Reporters]

the United nations like COVID 19 which benefit us all. The United States has assisted Ukraine to do this safely and securely. This is work that has been done proudly, clearly and out in the open. This work has everything to do with protecting the health of people. It has absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing to do with biological weapons.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then we have a clip from Lavrov. Might as well paid attention to him back in the day. It has arrived there and we had data and we have data that Pentagon, the Pentagon is preoccupied about the chemical and biological installations in Ukraine because Pentagon built two biological war labs and they have been developing pathogens there. All right, so we didn't believe that either. Although we did because we like, oh

[Adam Curry]

yeah, we did because it's logical.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

You don't have to be a genius to add two and two.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's the second part of Tulsi's statement, which should have been, these idiots were building gain of function labs. They were doing gain of function hidden from the public despite. Despite the law.

[Adam Curry]

Illegal gain of function. Let's get that word in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Despite executive orders, it was completely illegal. But no, here's Tulsi.

[Various News Reporters]

Until now, evidence regarding the full existence and funding of these laboratories had been knowingly withheld from you, the American people. Many of these US Government funded bio

[John C. Dvorak]

labs are currently from you, the American people, or have previously engaged like they withheld this from you. This is dangerous. Can you believe these a holes? They withheld it from people.

[Various News Reporters]

Many of these US Government funded biolabs are currently or have previously engaged in research using hazardous and highly contagious pathogens. Pathogens and in some cases included dangerous gain of function research with very little visibility or oversight. Now President Trump clearly understands the serious threat dangerous gain of function research poses to the American people.

[Adam Curry]

People.

[Various News Reporters]

And this is why he took decisive action over a year ago. On May 25, 2025, he signed an executive order to end federal funding of gain of function research around the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, no one cares. They just want to know that the stuff they're making stuff there in secret that they shouldn't have been doing and you could die from it. It could spread across. Spread across Ukraine, the world, whatever. And Fauci and Biden, they lied to you about it. They lied.

[Various News Reporters]

Despite the obvious potential for catastrophic global impact that research on dangerous pathogens in biolabs can have, politicians and so called health professionals like Dr. Fauci, as well as entities within the Biden administration. National security entities.

[John C. Dvorak]

Entities. She needs to rewrite these scripts. I know she can do it. It's just whoever. This is no good.

[Various News Reporters]

Dr. Fauci, as well as entities within the Biden administration's national security team lied repeatedly to the American people about the existence of US funded and supported biolabs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lied to you? Lied to you, not the American people. These entities. I'm an entity on a podcast.

[Various News Reporters]

Not only did they lie, they threatened those who attempted to expose the truth. So this release today breaks new ground as the information surrounding the existence, history, locations and funding of these US Funded biolabs has been intentionally covered up by very powerful people who falsely claimed that these biolabs didn't exist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Find finally a little nuance in her inner speech. These bio labs didn't exist. So it goes completely unnoticed. Yeah, no one does anything with Wasn't

[Adam Curry]

any of the news rundowns.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Whatever, who cares? No, it's it's,

[Adam Curry]

you could have made that the top story easily.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I appreciate that she does all the work. But if you're not going to, you know, if you're not really going to do anything. And this is the same with. So I'll go back to the Trend Aragua guy. This is war on the cartel bosses. This is saying, hey, we're going to kill you.

[Various News Reporters]

Coming on the air with breaking news that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Coming on the air, John, this is, this is something new that I'm just catching this now. Coming on the air. We have, we have to.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's been going on for a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

I haven't caught it until now. Coming on the air with you. No Agenda show.

[Various News Reporters]

Coming on the air with breaking news. News that the US Military, along with the Venezuelan government, has killed the alleged leader of the gang, Trent Aragua. That's according to President Trump. We want to show you some newly unclassified video of a home in Venezuela that President Trump just released on social media. Now, the president says this military strike was delivered on the home of Nino Guerrero, that's the alleged leader of the gang that's been a key target of the president's inner immigration enforcement agenda. His truth, his post rather on Truth Social notes that, quote, this military action was done with the close coordination of our friends in Venezuela with whom we are working very well. As a result, Trend Aragua terrorists no longer have safe haven in Venezuela or anywhere else. And under my leadership, we will find these vicious murderers and drug lords anytime, any place and send them to the depths of hell where they belong. God bless America. President Donald J. Trump, now that's a

[John C. Dvorak]

leader going to blow you up, bitch. That's what we're going to do. Hey, isn't Tulsi, isn't she a surfer?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why does she do it? Surfer do style.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, man,

[John C. Dvorak]

bio labs, man. It's like this is bad news. She could have done that. So this is, I think this is a very nice marker to the drug industry. Like we're going to blow you up. You're not getting away with it. Also not in the, in the overview,

[Adam Curry]

not in the rundown. Should have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think so. I think it's totally worth it. I see you brought clips as well. So I'll let you play yours about Switzerland.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is funny. It's weird, but yeah, this is the BBC report on Switzerland's said to them or they're taking a vote on it. It may not pass that they're going to limit their population.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can a country Indeed, should a country try to put a limit on its population size for the people of Switzerland? That's not some abstract question, but one they're about to vote vote on. The Alpine nation will tomorrow hold a referendum on whether to cap the population at 10 million. Right now it is 9 million, around a third of whom are foreign residents. And it is very much the issue of foreign residents which is behind Sunday's vote. It was proposed by the right wing Swiss People's Party, whose representative, Ivan Beh, made clear that reducing immigration is the aim. What we want is to protect what we love, to ensure that Switzerland remains a wonderful place to live in. We're not going to eliminate traffic jams overnight, but this will allow us to adapt road and rail infrastructure and build housing, but not at a pace that would ultimately prevent us from absorbing this massive influx of people. Switzerland has long had a large foreign population, people brought in from abroad to do everything from high level jobs in industry and public service services to manual labor work, which locals aren't prepared to do for the wages available. Indeed, some there argue that limiting Switzerland's population and thereby limiting immigration will also put a limit on the economy, all of which has made tomorrow's referendum very divisive. According to the Swiss journalist Julia Hamilton, the result is still too close to call. The results are in, in case you're interested or wonder. Shall I give you the results after the second clip?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, give me the results after the second clip right now.

[Various News Reporters]

The suggestions that it's going to be very close, something like 53% of people are against and 45% people are for. And of course, some people are still undecided. The main concern is that Switzerland's growing population is putting pressure on housing. I myself have spoken to some people who live in Geneva housing estates who live, said that they have to wait for 1, 3, 5, even sometimes up to 10 years for an apartment. And because there are so many people waiting, so it's very difficult to find accommodation. They're also saying that there is pressure in schools and kindergartens and on public services and transport. So people can feel sometimes, especially in big cities, that there is a problem. But of course, the opponents are saying that the problem is not the immigration itself. The problem is that there is no affordable accommodation available. So there are many questions being discussed in the society about this. Many businesses in Switzerland actually employ foreign staff and they say that this could be a big blow to the economy and their ability to hire foreign workers to fill those jobs. That requires foreign talent. It has been likened to A Swiss Brexit in some of the media, because this would potentially isolate Switzerland. Excellent. From the eu. Because not only that, the government would be obliged to take measures once the population reaches 9.5 million, then once it reaches 10 million, then the country will be forced to exit the Free Movement agreement with the eu. And that of course, would lead to problems with its biggest trade partner, the European Union. So there have been many discussions about what could happen and what sort of effect this could have on the economy and relations with its neighbors as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's interesting, the clips I had. I won't play them. We're talking about health care, that all the healthcare workers are foreigners, immigrants, and Switzerland is an aging country, aging population, and they already have their homes. They don't care about the young people. They're not motivating the young people to have babies and they just want to be taken care of by slaves. And so they voted it down. Down. The referendum did not pass.

[Adam Curry]

That makes sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but they're being overrun with the same problem every other European, almost every other European country has in the eu and that is they're letting immigrants in, giving them homes, giving them allowances. Nothing to do. Hang out here, you know, It's a purposeful destruction of the European Union. Union for the people, for the elites, it's no problem because they'll have a completely controllable population. They control their money.

[Adam Curry]

The methodology to do this, which is like you said, to discourage babies and families and the rest of it. And also to do what? Belfast, of course, where they had this Sudanese guy tried to chop some guy's head off and they blinded him. And whatever happened, there was a bunch of riots. Well, as you would expect, because the forces of countervailance, the Soros people and others put together some, some, some, some people, some complainers. And here we have the Belfast anti fascist riots.

[Various News Reporters]

3000 people have attended an anti racism rally in Belfast in Northern Ireland following days of riots triggered by a serious knife attack. Demonstrators held banners reading refugees welcome and riots don't speak for Belfast. The riots, dubbed racist thuggery by a British minister, saw people singled out on the basis of their skin color, with

[John C. Dvorak]

some forced into hiding.

[Various News Reporters]

A Sudanese man is charged with attempted murder over the stabbing.

[Adam Curry]

Man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's beautiful. It's great.

[Adam Curry]

It's really good.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good. It's really, really good. Good. Fiso.

[Adam Curry]

Geez. Welcome.

[John C. Dvorak]

FISA went dark on Friday, so we're no longer being spied on.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of our, one of our producers has a Boots on the Ground of Disclosure day. Did you see that? I'll read it real quick. This is Mike Boots on the Ground here in Minneapolis St. Paul. My wife and I saw a disclosure date tonight. Now I want to file this report from the field. Coming on the air with a report from the field is Mike from the twin cities of Minneapolis St. Paul. First off, this movie was a dud. The writing was scattered. It moved between cerebral sci fi to car chase to campy philosophical monologues, and then back again so quickly and abruptly that anything resembling a plot line was lost halfway through the effort. This is our version of Siskel and. And there were religious themes of faith and our lot in the universe that were thrown in your face and simultaneously so completely out of place that I could not help but start to laugh out loud in the theater from sheer confusion. By far the worst movie Spielberg has ever made. Whatever suspense might have been created by the release of the UAP footage released by the Trump Admin a few months back was expeditiously squandered by this B movie masquerading as a summer blockbuster. I'm afraid the payoff after months of spec was an unmitigated disappointment, assuming one had any hopes for this film at all. Thank you for your courage. It's Mike from the Field. There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Excellent report.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the kind of report that. That is valuable right there. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It'll save people a lot of money. Cost a fortune to go to the theater nowadays. Wait for it to come out on Netflix and you can turn it off. Halfway through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So Tina was in Vegas the past couple of days with her stuff sister. They went to go see Gwen Stefani at the Sphere. And so Phoebe and I were here, home alone. I'm like, you know, let me watch something crazy. Something I would never watch. John Wick 4. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That's something you'd never watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, I'd never watch. And I watched the whole thing. I'm like, this is dumb. It's so impressive. Keanu Reeves kills 200 people.

[Adam Curry]

People.

[John C. Dvorak]

Never a scratch on him until the duel at the last moment. You know, you got a blind guy who can kill everybody just by smelling him. This whole. And it's just dumb. It's so dumb.

[Adam Curry]

I find the John Wick movies quite enjoyable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you see John Wick 4? Did you see the fourth one?

[Adam Curry]

I may or may not have. They're all the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is the worst of the. Of the. Of the four. I've seen other ones. Ones. It's like no, this is no good. And everybody has to be shot in the head. You, you throw the guy on the ground, then you shoot him in the head. Otherwise he's not dead. Like, you know, guys.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we know that's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it's just like, shoot him in the head. I'll shoot him in the head. Shoot him in the head. Shoot him in the head. I don't know. And. And he has endless supply of ammo. Endless. I tell you, it never ends. Yeah. Reload again. Reload again. New mag. Reload again. Endless supply. It's amazing. So there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so let's jump to a scandal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

There's a TV show called Married at First Sight.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the premise of this?

[Adam Curry]

The premise is you. The. The. It's a reality TV show. There's a version in England, there's a version. I think there's a version in the United States. There's a version in Australia, which is controversial. Do you take two people and you. And you marry them?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, without them ever having met before?

[Adam Curry]

Pretty much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this a Dana Brunetti production?

[Adam Curry]

No, Dana's. I think a little. Got more savvy than that. But here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

As we say in the old country, he have Mirance in Mars. He has more in his Mars. I'm not sure why they say that, but here we go. The revelations about Australia's Married at First Sight comes just weeks after damning allegations were made about the UK version of the program, with two participants saying they were raped by the men they were partnered with, allegations the men involved have denied. The Australian version is made by a different production company and broadcast on a different channel. Both insist there are strong protocols in place to ensure participants safety. Here's our culture correspondent, Noor Nanji.

[Various News Reporters]

This is a huge hit in Australia. Of course, we've been mentioning that the UK version of Marijuana at First Sight has been facing intense scrutiny ever since our Panorama came out a month ago. But now there are fresh questions for the Australian version too. Following this new investigation we have done and we heard from several cast members who told us that they felt unsafe after being matched with men with criminal past, which crucially, they were not told about. Now, we should reiterate that the broadcaster in Australia, which is Channel nine and also so Endermol Shine Australia, which is the production company for that version, have said that they have strong protocols in place to protect participants and to ensure safety and well being. But I think today's story should be seen against the context of what this show is all about married at first sight. Australia, by its very nature is a show that involves strangers meeting up, being sent on honeymoon, moving in together, building a life together, sharing, sharing a bed together. And it is given that context, women say to us, they said that they should have been fully informed about the men that they were being partnered with ahead of the show. One woman that we spoke to said, you shouldn't be left alone with a stranger with a criminal record. And she added that there should have been informed consent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's how you go.

[Adam Curry]

There's, there's culture at its best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's how reality shows work. You put two or more people in a room together with cameras and you add alcohol. That's how it works.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's how it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how it works. So did you see Carney's New World Order speech?

[Adam Curry]

No. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Carney, Prime Minister, you have it? Yeah, I do. I have four clips of it. Not the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

How long did it go? Was it a long speech?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it was eight minutes. Minutes Too long. Too long. And I actually gave it to the robot and said, cut all the silences. Robot did a pretty good job because I couldn't, it was too much like, I'm never going to play these clips if I have to cut out every single silence. It'll take me hours. So I was happy about that. So he's a little, he's a little more animated than it really.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's pretty good. You got the robot to do something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, robot is robots. Good, good robot. So in a way. So his whole. The premise here is America bad, Trump really bad. Not trustworthy. Those guys suck. We're gonna do, we're gonna reboot everything our own way with the European Union and we're kind of gonna do what Trump is doing, but we're gonna do it for us. And this is an urgent task now because the world is changing right Rapidly. Ireland and Canada are navigating a global rupture, not a quiet transition. The post Cold War world of rules based order is breaking down. Multilateral institutions have weakened. Economic integration from which we have benefited is being weaponized. The international trading system, which we've relied upon for decades is under threat. And at the same time, new technologies, from artificial intelligence to cyber and quantum changing the nature or the structure of economies and the possibilities of human advancement. Climate change is no longer a warning. It's here. It's here. Last month, as you know, and you felt, Ireland experienced its hottest May on record ever. Oh, no. Canada last year, forests larger than Ireland Burned in the drought and heat by arsonists. Global conflicts are expanding and evolving. They're more than kinetic, as horrible as that is. They're economic, they're social, they're technological. Canada, Ireland and Europe are increasingly and more immediately vulnerable to once distant threats. It's very interesting. He throws Ireland in there every single time because he wants to bring them back into the fold. They got fighters over there, so. All right, so just so you know, with Canada, with Ireland and with the eu, we, we are bigger than you. I suggest that amidst this change, amidst this disruption, Canada, Ireland and Europe can be pivotal, powerful and purposeful. Pivotal. Powerful. Purposeful. Pivotal. Because we are the most connected region in the world to each other and to others. Canada has work, 16 free traders agreements with 51 countries covering one and a half billion people. Two thirds of global GDP. And we're on course to double that market access this year. The EU maintains preferential access to over 80 partner countries, making it the top trading partner for 80 nations globally. Together, we are powerful because we have have the capacity to act together. Combined, the population is more than twice that of the United States. We have a larger cultural export industry and a more diverse one, I might add, a similarly sized gdp, comparable R D spend, our collective defense budgets twice that of China's. We're home to the majority of the world's top 100 universities and over half of the world's Nobel Prize winners. So together we are one of the largest economic, cultural, technological.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, hold on. Financial. I just want to do it. I was just doing the math. On the fly with twice the population, as he says, they only have half the Nobel Prize winners or. Where's the other group? Well, I guess some is in China, but most of the United States. And then he had some other. Some other. Other. Almost half of the great universities. Where's the rest of them? So we have half the population and twice as many great universities per capita. He's just throwing away these numbers, start looking at them on a per capita basis. We're kicking ass.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well, so now we get to the Trump bit. We're going to do what Trump is doing, but he sucks now because over decades, decades, governments and businesses prioritized efficiency over resilience. We all have developed supply chains and trading relationships that create dependencies that can turn economic integration from an advantage, which is what it was, into subordination. And so Canada's strategic imperative is to build sovereign capabilities and resiliencies in these key areas. Areas that starts at home. We're fast tracking a trillion dollars of investment in energy, AI, critical minerals, new trade corridors. We're investing to double our clean electricity grid. We're investing in Quantum. We're building our food security. Pretty much the same thing we're doing, except we. Well, I guess we're doing the dumb Quantum too. And so what is he going to do, huh?

[Adam Curry]

I just crack up when I think of about it. There's no evidence that they can get these things to work.

[John C. Dvorak]

You mean Quantum?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, Quantum does fun little, Little games and stuff. Snake. All right, here we go. Last clip. But we recognize a second principle that building. True sovereignty cannot be achieved in isolation. It requires diversification. It requires partnership. Cannot be done.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, hold on a second. What's the logic here? Sovereignty and isolation. Of course sovereignty is isolation.

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy's a banker and he's. He's upset. True sovereignty cannot be achieved in isolation. It requires diversification. It requires partnership. And so we are focused on building a dense web of connections. Said another way, ad hoc coalitions that work issue by issue with partners that share enough common ground, ground to act together. And that's why Canada was the first non European country to join the EU's Safe Defense Procurement Program. Why we've signed 20 new economic and security agreements over five continents in the past year. It's why we're championing efforts to build a bridge between the Trans Pacific Partnership and the European Union. Something that would create a trading block of one and a half billion. About five. Sorry. Messed that up. Yeah. So, you know, we're. We're gonna. It's gonna all happen. Eu. EU and Canada, we're gonna take care of. We're gonna take care of you citizens. Don't worry about it. You're good. It's all good. It'll all be okay.

[Adam Curry]

We need to put more Canadian news in the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. As seeing as it will soon be just part of American news news, I'm still hopeful

[Adam Curry]

that ain't gonna happen. But there's definitely causing issues. There's something up with Canada.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what's up is that Trump has blown everything apart. He doesn't. He wants to renegotiate NAFTA or the. I'm sorry, it's not nafta. What is the.

[Adam Curry]

What is. They changed the name, but it's basically nafta.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's up for negotiation.

[Adam Curry]

They changed the name. That's something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

Never mind with that. I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in. What does the C actually stand for? Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John.

[Adam Curry]

Danger. Nights out there in the morning to

[John C. Dvorak]

the trolls in the troll room. Let me count you first, money. I'm talking about 1681. If only every one of the people listening to this show live would send us like a little donation.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we have less than 30 donations, over 50 today, less than 26.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's wonderful that people, you know, come in with red knight donations. But, you know, you can give $5, you really can if you value, especially if you're listening all the way through up till this point point, you should consider returning the value for the value that you received. And I think once again, we have delivered. With John's noisemakers alone, we have delivered. There you go. It's all on deck. The people listening now are either listening through noagendastream.com or one of the modern podcast apps. Podverse is really popular. Looks at the numbers the other day, the share of ad apps.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the last month, I think about 30% is Apple, is the Apple legacy app, which you cannot get the live stream through. Hello, people. And next on the list is podverse. You know how many downloads we had from Spotify last month?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

3. 3, literally.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. People have wised up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course they have. Modernpodcastapps.com you'll get a bat signal and notification when we go live. And right after that, the minute we publish the show within 90 seconds, you're notified and your no agenda show, the best podcast in the universe is flowing into your eardrums, ready for you to go. So the value we give is open for everybody. We're like an open source model. Model. You can get it. However, there's so many different ways to get it. You can download it right from the website, you can give it to other people, redistribute it, do whatever. We don't really care as long as you do something in the three T's time, talent, treasure to give back to the show. So we had Mike in the Twin Cities giving us a great movie review, which I think right there is worth the price of admission. So that is literally what you don't have to pay to watch that do dog. Yeah, people can do all kinds of things, Organize meetups. I mean, there's a lot that you can do to support the show and return the value. And next time you have one of those coffees, like, say, maybe I should give this to the boys over there. It's a no agenda show. You'd be Amazed how much?

[Adam Curry]

And say hi to me in the Albany meetup next Saturday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Next Saturday, the 27th.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the ways people help us is by prompting art. Prompt art at the end the day of. And then upload it to the no agenda art generator, noagendaartgenerator.com so we can have something fun to show to people that is hopefully relevant to the episode. And they click on it, they listen to it. It's just an extra bonus. People like it, it's fun, it's exciting. And Blue Acorn comes in again with the art for episode 1876 titled Screwball, for all of John's screwball clips. And this was the Alaska dog sled delivering the ballots. And it was different. Different for, you know, for a. For an AI generated image. Did you think it had a different vibe to it? The edges were a little messy. A little messy.

[Adam Curry]

We usually don't pick messy pieces like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I kind of liked it. I mean, obviously.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it was very. It was a. It was a. It had a charm of some sort. We both liked it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we did. What else do we like?

[Adam Curry]

Like nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes, we had the totem pole.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the totem. Yeah. That totem had potential.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of people uploading. Ulster says no.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I don't get why we would think we're going to pick that. It's not going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not going to happen. Let me see. Was there anything else that we thought even came close? A lot of nipples. No. Good try. Yeah. You thought the Darren o' Neill's cough, the totem cough was funny.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I thought that was funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that was it really. I'm looking at it now. There was another dog sled from Jacques 10, but no, it wasn't quite as good.

[Adam Curry]

I like the ballot box, which I used to announce the newsletter. Although in the newsletter there was a. The perfect crime was work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I like the ballot box with the jack in the box popping out.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was good.

[Adam Curry]

No agenda voting box.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was good.

[Adam Curry]

Definitely another Darren piece of genius. How does he do it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know how he does it. The guy, he's a maniac. The maniac. He's got the skills that pays the bills. So then we quickly move on to the. To the producers who supported us with the financial donation. Anybody can do it. By going to noagendadonations.com we and accept Bitcoin. You can send checks, which is great. We love checks. We will not eschew your check.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because checks are total fees between 15 and 40 cents.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's very good way of supporting the show. And of course, we, as always, just to make the segment more exciting, give people more incentive. You can become a knight or a dame. That is cumulative. So, you know, if you've been giving. If you've been giving support over years, we have lots of layaway nights. Eventually, you will be invited to the round table. You get one of those no agenda rings, one of the few tchotchkes, and it's not really tchotchke. It's an actual signet ring that we have here. And we've had that for a long time. The title is probably more impressive than the ring itself. And you can move up the peerage ladder. We also have an opportunity, yes, we have an opportunity for people to get official Hollywood credits. This is. We are certified to hand out these credits. So $200 or more. Not only will we read your name notes that you sent in with a donation guaranteed, we will also give you the Hollywood credit of associate executive producer. You can use that anywhere. These credits are recognized, including IMDb.com which looks kind of cool. Hey, babe, I'm in IMDb.com $300 or more. You become an executive producer. Same deal. We'll read your note and you get that title. And we start today with Brent Stricker from Spooksville Alexandria, Virginia. $1,100. $1,100.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Very cool. And he says, I'm glad to discover your show. My chosen title as Red Knight of the Heart is Sir Wild Bill, Liberator of California. Please. It like Mac and cheese and little girl. Yeah. And he says, liberate California.

[Adam Curry]

You slaves can get used to Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese, macaroni and cheap cheddar. Me melted together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mac and cheese.

[Adam Curry]

Mac and cheese.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mac and cheese. Yay.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have done that. Thank you very much. We'll see you at the roundtable.

[Adam Curry]

Dr. Sir 1 awesome. Jason in Smyrna, Georgia. 1031 03026. Hi, John and Adam. John, glad to see the shock of Apple releasing a touchscreen laptop wasn't enough to take you out. Good point. I do believe this donation brings me to the rank of viscount. I'd like health karma for my niece who will be in the hospital for the next two months with Preeclasia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah, that sucks. Preemclasia is nasty.

[Adam Curry]

While awaiting a birth of her first child. Looking forward to more Africa News, sir. Dr. Sir 1 awesome. Jason,

[Various News Reporters]

you've got karma

[John C. Dvorak]

up Next we have Walter bax from London, Ontario, Canada. $716.46. First time donator.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every time I hear the order of the heart jingle, it tugs at my heartstrings. Didn't we do this last show?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we had another guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the exact same message.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it sure seems like I'm hearing myself through your speakers, by the way. I don't know how that works.

[Adam Curry]

That's terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. Why is it through my speakers or somewhere else? I don't know. Well, I thought we had already done sir Walter backs.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe we did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're doing it again.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we are, because we're not sure. We open up the old spreadsheet.

[John C. Dvorak]

I hope you will honor my 1k Canadian dollar. It will be my honor to be sir Walter back's order of the heart. Thanks for all you do we honor it? Yes, we do. $1,000 and thank you very much, Troy. Yeah, good one.

[Adam Curry]

Tellto. I don't know. He's in priest River, Idaho, and he came in with 3:43:59. Aiming for 333 after fees for value received triggered by jcd's bypass surgery. Despite the as yet undisclosed costs, it's coming. Requesting a de douching. You've been de douched. And girl baby making karma to break the run of five boys

[Various News Reporters]

you've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I hear you, karma. Let me just. Let me just test something here for a second. Let me just hear. One, two. One, two. One, 2, 1, 2. Yeah, it's definitely coming back from your end. That's odd. Why is it coming back?

[Adam Curry]

It's very low.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but I hear it. It's the craziest thing. One, two. Oh, I see. One, two. Ah, now I got it. Okay. I was dialing my knob the wrong direction.

[Adam Curry]

You got to be careful with dialing your knobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Okay, onward. We have. Where am I? Number five. Oh, Manuka Gold. I gotten smart. Now the Manuka gold family. Instead of saying Dennis Cage, now it's Manuka Gold. Man, I know what I'm doing. Hudson, Florida, 333.33. I'll keep it short and sweet today, gentlemen, since anything worth trying should be able to be explained in a sentence. Any longer and you're probably being sold something which, yes, I see the irony. Manuka gold relief actually gets rid of your pain. And right now we're giving away a free travel size of relief gel with every purchase. Over $49 through Father's Day. Use code ADAM20 at [e-mail] for an extra 20%. And as always, thanks for cutting through the bull and speaking truth from the Manuka Gold family. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Nice. And indeed. I just checked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Indeed, indeed.

[Adam Curry]

Walter Backs was knighted last show. We don't need to do it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right. Thank you for checking.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for checking or thank you for thanking me for checking? Sir. Commodore J Stroke in Norton, Ohio. 250. America Birthday donate. Oh, yeah. We promote the America birthday donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

250. Yes. There it is.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why I'm not promoting this more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do it.

[Adam Curry]

I need some goat karma for the Chupacabra canoe crew for the annual canoe trip this week. Wondering if Adam can give us some more guidance on what not to rub on our balls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, here's my guidance. Don't rub anything on them. It's no good.

[Various News Reporters]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bonnie Blankshane. She is in Fort Lauderdale, California. Florida. Sorry. 234. I love your sequence there. She says itm John Adam and na family. Bonnie Ray from Bonnie's Bullets and Barrels here. We were missing some bullets and barrels in our arsenal. This May, I celebrated my first year in business. In November of last year, I left my corporate job and stepped out in courageous faith, trusting God to move on my behalf. He truly has. God has opened so many doors. And one of the highlights of this year has been partnering with Sig Sauer. This I love. This is an American woman, man, God and guns. The support from this community has not gone unnoticed. In fact, any na listener or na listener was the very first person to place an order during my first T shirt. Merch drop. We need a merch drop. Let me write that down.

[Adam Curry]

Merch drop.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just. I like it. I got a merch drop coming up for you. And she says, I'll never forget that. And thank you, John and Adam, for all you do and for the impact you've had on so many people, myself and you included. If you'd like to follow along, you can visit me on Insta at Bonnie's Bullets and barrels or visit Bonnie's bulletsandbarrels.com God bless. No jingles, no karma. And I will take a look at Bonnie's bulletsandbarrels.com. that looks like a hoot,

[Adam Curry]

sir. Com.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where are we?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Delinda Lou Patkins up. She's in Castle Rock, Colorado. 200 jobs. Karma. Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and Most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com Linda helps professionals and executives position their experience so hiring managers see their value. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Various News Reporters]

Best Linda, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, now I remember. I remember Bonnie's Bullets andBullets. And Bonnie's bulletsandbarrels.com. she does training mainly for women.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, women need training.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. They. Whoa. Hey. Oh, hey. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She trains girls on shooting. Very good. Good. Very good. Excellent. Thank you, Bonnie. And thank you, Linda Lou Patkin. And thank you to these executive and associate executive producers. Once again, these are real credits. They are valid wherever Hollywood credits are recognized. And we thank you for supporting the best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Various News Reporters]

Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up. And we continue now with everyone. $50 and above. We don't go under 50 for reasons of anonymity. And right there with a hundred dollars from Smithville, Texas. Texas. Hot glass. Oh, man, she blows the hot glass. Thank you very much. Much Dame. What's her name? Forget her name.

[Adam Curry]

I don't recall.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the Troll Room knows it. She's.

[Adam Curry]

She's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my goodness.

[Adam Curry]

She does swords and everything in glass.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love my glass sword. That thing is amazing. Thanks, Troll Room, for not jumping. Oh, Vox. Lady Vox. Black Loca. Who is it? Lady Vox? Is it Black loca? Okay, remember now. Black loca, I think did it end of part of the Grumpy Dames. Yes, she does know how to blow glass. David Oliver, Calistoga, California. $100. The birthday donation. My 51st. 55th is Sunday, June 14th. Same as Donald Trump's. I'm surprised I don't get a lot of grief because of the shared date. I was surprised you didn't get an invite to the UFC fight. Sir Brian Tobias in 88.

[Adam Curry]

That's Alan Bean out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. Alan Bean. Beaver.

[Adam Curry]

Not only that, but he's normally $50 month after month after month after month from the beginning of the show. And he once in a while, he throws in 100 because he thinks we did a good job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much, Sir Alan Bean. I'm sorry, I did not mean to skip over you. For some reason, you were highlighted and flowed into the next one. Something went wrong. On my spreadsheet, there is Sir Brian tobias, and with 8,808. I'm not quite sure what that is, but he is Sir Brian, Viscount of Chiefs of Kingdom. Kev McLaughlin, next from Concord, North Carolina, with the boob donation. $80.08. 8008. And as always, he's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs, and says God bless America and boobs. Chad Hewitt, Folsom, California. 6640. 66 books, 40 authors. That's right, 66 and 40 cents. Christopher Dector, 5. 6.78. We see what you did there. Michael Ragu, Tustin, California. 5533. Luke Monnell in Los Angeles, California. 5272. Patrick Cannon, Cranford, New Jersey. 5150. The cannons of Cranford. So I. Oh, that's. That's different, I guess. The Cannons of Cranford. Maybe they're related. Miami, Florida. 50. Brandon Savoy, Port Orchard, Washington. These are all the 50s. Wow, we're down to that already. Sir Kevin Dill's, Huntersville, North Carolina. Chris. Sir Chris Lewinsky, Sherwood Park, Alberta. Philip Ballou in Louisville, Kentucky. Easy Landscapes in North Stonington, Connecticut. Priscilla Rubio. Related? No. Let's go. Netherlands. Rooting for the Dutch team since 2010. They have a shot this year, I'm told. And Ox olleryx in Buffalo, N.Y. $50. And that completes our supporters for episode 1877 of the no Agenda Show. We love it when anybody sends us a anything and we love it. And we'd love it more if you consider sending us some value. That is the system. Value for value. Very simple. Whatever value got out of the show for whatever reason, laughter, sorrow, the interest, you got some interesting information, maybe you picked up something you want to invest in, whatever it is, maybe you just had a good time. Send the value back. Noagendadonations.com youm can set, even set up a recurring donation, any amount, any frequency by going to noagendadonations.com. Well, only one birthday today. Besides President Trump, who I see was omitted from the calendar, it is David oliver who turns 55 today. And we say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. That's right, Dr. Sir one awesome ups his peerage or ups the lad the steps on the peerage ladder, with an additional combined $1,000 in support. And today he will be known as a viscount. Sir Dr. 1 awesome Jason, Viscount of the no Agenda Show. And then we have two, count them, two Orders of the Heart. Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose right from the start. The Order of the Heart. Yes. So not only will we be welcoming a brand new Knight momentarily. But we will celebrate him right here. Brent Stickler. Stricker. I'm sorry. And we'll be knighting him momentarily as Sir Wild Bill. And of course, Dr. Sir number one awesome Jason, now a viscount. Gentlemen, both of you are now knights in the Order of the Heart. Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose. Right from the stars in the morning. Brave and smart. The Order of the Heart. All right, let's take care of our night right here. If you can get your blade out, John, then we can. Here you go.

[Adam Curry]

I brought one special.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, beautiful. Found it. Next to the noisemakers, no doubt. Branch Tricker, come on up. Already getting set for that red pin to arrive. But now it is time for me to officially pronounce the KD As Sir Wild Bill Liberator of California. Thanks to your support of the no Agenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more. And for you, of course, we have the usual goodies at the round table. Hookers and blow. Red Boys and Chardonnay. We've got Polish potato vodka. We've got Harlots and Aldol Rubin Esque Woman and Rose Geysers and Sake vodka and vanilla. Bong hits and Bourbon. Sparkling cider and Escorts. Breast milk and pablum. Cowgirls and coffin varnish. Or, if you please, it's the Mutton and the Mead right here for you. And as you hurry on over to noagendtherings.com you give us your name and, of course, your address. We'll get the ring off to you. It comes with a certificate of authenticity. Also, you get a couple sticks of wax to seal your important correspondence. And along with that, this beautiful pin, which comes in a separate package. It's a beautiful package. Another. Yet another certificate of authenticity. And the pin is just dynamite. Wear it proudly at the next meetup that you go to. Oh, speaking of such, no agenda meetups are definitely something you need to check out. Yeah. Not only is it like a party, but when you go to no Agenda meetup, you get connection from the Protection. This is what you need. All these people will be your first responders in an emergency. That's why people start up a hundred telegram groups just to be able to hang out with each other after the meetups and before the next one. And here is a report from the Treasure version. Valley Boise Meetup in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is Jason at the Treasure Valley Boise Meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're here on a Saturday, and we're gonna pass around and have everybody introduce themselves.

[Various News Reporters]

Dame Karen here of the Boise Treasure Valley and the greater Upper Hyde Park. And by the way, I'm never buying burgers again because she won't take cash.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, commies.

[Various News Reporters]

Hey, this is Dame Chester of Idaho.

[Adam Curry]

Back in Idaho, I was in Squam, but I'm back here in Idaho feeling free.

[Various News Reporters]

And I'm going to pass it on

[John C. Dvorak]

to our newest member. Go. This is producer Mike in the Morning Baron of the greatest state of Idaho checking in.

[Various News Reporters]

This is Nurse Meg checking everyone's vaccination status.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is engineer Dave in the Morning Steve from Hidden Springs rooting for San Antonio versus New York to finish in a tie.

[Adam Curry]

They run out of electricity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Both teams lose in the morning. You can join a merry group just like that by going to noagendameetups.com check out the calendar. There's got to be something near you. You can search by location. I think they do meetup reports there as well. I'm still waiting for my Ukraine meetup report for the recorded one. I love the fact that we have these meetups all over the world in the most unlikely places. If you can't find a meetup near you, it's very simple to add that. But first I'll tell you that today the Happy India June Flag Day meetup is underway in Indianapolis, Indiana at the Blind Owl Brewery. They always send a great meetup report For Thursday the 18th, Charlotte's thirsty third Thursday. It always kicks off at the same time, seven o' clock at Ed's Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. And coming up this month, Wilmington, California. Where's Wilmington, California, John?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm. Well, Wilmington, California is on deck for the 20th, the 26th of June, Rotterdam, the Netherlands. The 27th, Fort Way, Indiana. And also on the 27th, another get John out of the house meetup. Albany, California. And what's the name of that place? The Pizza.

[Adam Curry]

The Mallard Club.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Mallard club. And Longview, Texas, also on June 28. There's a lot more on the list for July, August, September through October. Even go to noagendameetups.com just find something near you. It will be so much fun. I guarantee you if you can't find one near you, start one year yourself. Always a party, always fun and always something that you will repeat doing. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you want me Triggered on Hell. You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a power, always like a party. We have end of show mixes coming up. A really good one from the the Grumpy dames. The grumpy old dames who were desperately trying to figure out what the C stands for in John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

I noticed. I noticed with that the song, they actually pronounced my last name correctly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe it wasn't AI.

[Adam Curry]

Well, somebody's talking pretty fast.

[John C. Dvorak]

If it was doubtful, would you like to divulge what the C stands for in John C?

[Adam Curry]

We all know what it stands for. Everybody knows what it stands for. Stands for cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have John's Tip of the day coming up at first end of show isos. I have two. I see you have celebrity isos once again. So I will start with mine.

[Various News Reporters]

I was very. I was. It was amazing.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this one, it was. It was amazing. Okay, now what do you have?

[Adam Curry]

It's kind of the same one.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a man, It's a woman. It's two different things. They're real. They're not AI generated. But.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's go with your fake of me.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it wasn't this. No, no, this.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, okay, I have Obama. I called him up and had him do these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Barack Obama.

[Adam Curry]

AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry, not AI. Okay, Barack Obama here, you just heard the best podcast ever. Lame.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, try the other one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because he always said the way he always starts off with, hello, everybody. Remember, we made a big deal out of that. All right, next. I wish the no Agenda show was around when I was a kid in Kenya. Okay, all right. A kid in Kenya. We'll take it. But first, it's John Tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam. Wine. Wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wine. We want wine.

[Adam Curry]

You get wine before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. So a wine will be coming. Coming soon. So this is a screwball tip because I saw some. Some ads for it, and so I ended up getting one and I do some. It's an interesting product. It's a. It's a cardboard box cutter. Motorized. Oh. And it just plows through cardboard real fast. But what it really is is it. It's. It's basically just an assisted knife. There's like a knife. It's like a blade. It's like a box cutter with an. With a motorized assist so you can really zoom through the boxes. And this has been promoted here and there. I'm going to give you them. This is the. The one I'm. That I got and played with is the. I guess it's Keyland key. L I N 300 milliamp hour cardboard box cutter. 2026 version.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's wrong with scissors?

[Adam Curry]

You can't Cut through cardboard with scissors?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you can cut through cardboard all the time with scissors.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, these are 20. So the. So the thing about these cutters, and you look it up in Amazon as a cardboard box cutter, motorized or whatever, but the thing about these things is this. It's. You want the cheap one because they're all the same. There's about 40 different versions of the same exact thing. This typical Chinese product, there's a million versions of it, and they vary in price from. The cheapest I've seen is night. This one I got for 19, but now it's 20. 20, $20 to $50 for the exact same product. Get the cheap one. They do work. If you've seen ads for them. It takes a little more force than you think, but it's a good way to cut up a cardboard box into cardboard strips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get that? Well, okay. Valid point. We have a lot of boxes at the end of the week. And I usually. I have a knife. I have a pocket knife, you know, the kind you pull out and it opens automatically. Automatically because it'll hook.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's called a stiletto.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, this is. There's a little hook on it. And if you know. And it. And so it slips into your right pocket, your front pocket with a clip. And then when you pull it out, if you pull it out with a little bit of backwards motion, then it. It automatically opens the blade. So I can shiv them real quick. Yep. So I use that to cut up the boxes. And I think that this motorized box cutter may be for me, and it might be that.

[Adam Curry]

But again, get the cheap one.

[John C. Dvorak]

The cheap one. Yes, the cheap one.

[Adam Curry]

And this in this case is the cheapest one with the most powerful battery, 30, 300 or 3,000 milliamp hours. And they do work. No, but, but it makes you. They make it sound like it's a saw. It's not. It's an assisted blade.

[John C. Dvorak]

I will bring a report after I order mine. I will order mine from tipoftheday.net or noah just to fun.com because that's where you can find all of John's tip is a day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, thank you very much, Dana Brunetti. And since we looked it up, the. The name of this. I had it somewhere. I had the name of this song for everybody. And now I've.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, somebody tracked it down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, and now I forgot. I can't find where I. I put it in here. Somewhere in the show notes. I'll go find it. Yes, here it is. It's on the seventh day. There's a link in the show notes. It was indeed back in the day Pod Safe music. Also, save for your pod End of Show Mix mixes. We've got the grumpy old dames Black Loca and Lady Vox who will be coming up next on the no Agenda stream. In fact, with their tribute to you, just Baker, MVP and CZ Cam all featured in the End of Show Mix coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill country right here in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning everybody, I'm

[Adam Curry]

Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be back on Thursday. Please join us. Send us some value in the meantime and you can do that through noagendadonations.com until Thursday. Adios mo fos a hooey hooey and such.

[Various News Reporters]

There's a voice on the mic with a skeptical roar John C. Dvorak Kicking down the tech door Calling out hype like he's done before and everyone wonders

[John C. Dvorak]

what the C stands for he's seen

[Various News Reporters]

every star of every boom, every bust, Every gadget promise fully turning to dust

[John C. Dvorak]

from every intro to every encore People still ask what the C stands for.

[Various News Reporters]

John C. Dvorak Tell us once more

[John C. Dvorak]

what in the world does the C stand for? Maybe curmudgeon, maybe co, maybe Cor but nobody knows what the C stands for Ask him directly oh, grin and ignore Slide right past what the C stands for 40 years and we're still not sure what in the world that C stands for Breaking down headlines with a

[Various News Reporters]

sideways grin Spotting the nonsense before it begins.com bubbles and platform or still nobody

[John C. Dvorak]

knows what the C stands for the summer men showing his Potter's Tory Said if you like it, send a little

[Various News Reporters]

support But I'll keep a program, keep the program secure While we're still guessing

[John C. Dvorak]

what the C stands for.

[Various News Reporters]

John C. Dvorak Tell us once more

[John C. Dvorak]

what in the world does the C stand for? Could be cast, could be circuit, may be commodore but nobody knows what the C stands for Every introduction needs to pause once more Some will ask what the C stands for he'll change the subject like before still never saying what the C stands for Some say classic, some say contrarian Some say it's classified information maybe someday we'll finally explore the mystery behind what the C stands for. John C. Dvorak One thing's for sure,

[Various News Reporters]

you've kept the joke alive for years

[John C. Dvorak]

and more from every intro to every encore People still ask what The C stands for John C. Dvorak. The running lore question echoing forevermore.

[Various News Reporters]

No final answer.

[Adam Curry]

No closing door.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just the mystery of what the C stands for. Someday we'll find it the Erection Connection. Reading our Agenda newsletter Wake up guys. Let no Agenda in your mailbox. Skip the corporate lies. Information on the upcoming shows right there in your eyes. Behind the scenes details from the best podcast podcast between two sides Best podcast in the universe. Best podcast in the universe. It's the healthiest, most ejaculative newsletter in the nation according to the MU report with no equivocation Healthiest, most coagulated newsletter

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

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[Various News Reporters]

Not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

Let it ride.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crack pot, crack pot buzz kill. No sponsor, no agenda. What. The best podcast in the universe. Adios mofo dvorak.org na I wish the no Agenda show was around when I was a kid in Kenya.