1882 - "Buy the Crash"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1882: "Buy the Crash"

Date: July 2, 2026
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Theme: “Deconstructing Media with No Agenda” – Deeper analysis of media coverage, major U.S. political events, Supreme Court decisions, AI hype, and public perception—with signature irreverence, skepticism, and humor.

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Overview

This episode of No Agenda finds Adam broadcasting from Amsterdam and John in Silicon Valley, as they deliver their offbeat, incisive, and often hilarious take on current events. The main themes revolve around U.S. Supreme Court rulings (especially on birthright citizenship), the 250th anniversary of the United States, media misrepresentation, the shaky ground of AI hype ("Buy the Crash"), and the deepening disconnect between institutions, media, and the public.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

Transatlantic Family & Personal Updates ([00:00–05:16])

• Adam records from Amsterdam to be present for family events and the anticipated arrival of a grandchild – blending personal life into the show's usual satirical news deconstruction.
• John reflects on the 20th anniversary of his mother's passing; the family reunites for both remembrance and celebration.

Notable Quote

"I thought the story was leading in one direction, then it wasn’t." — Adam Curry [03:22]

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U.S. 250th Anniversary & Cultural Commentary ([05:37–11:12])

• Discussion of America's 250th birthday—hosts note lukewarm reaction in Europe to "Freedom 250"/America 250 (the commemorative fair and events in Washington D.C.).
• Comparison to imported US holidays (e.g., Europe celebrates Black Friday, but not Thanksgiving).
• John jokes about the hype: “People are making it look empty with how they take the pictures. The mall is huge...” [20:44]

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Supreme Court Rulings: Birthright Citizenship & Transgender Athlete Bans

Main Story Segments:

• The show breaks down how ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS reported on recent Supreme Court decisions, particularly the Trump administration's failed executive order to end birthright citizenship ([06:28–14:42]).
• Adam and John critique mainstream media for superficial coverage, failing to delve into the real legal issues or mention dissenting opinions.
• They highlight the dissents of Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, and the nuance about Congressional vs. constitutional authority.

Memorable Analysis

“...This really wasn’t about the 14th Amendment per se...SCOTUS actually disagrees 5–4 on the meaning of the 14th Amendment. See they don’t discuss that. This was only about his executive order.” — John C. Dvorak [13:30]

“Our own news outfits can’t get it right. But the BBC actually got it right, which is astounding.” — John C. Dvorak [18:37]

Key Timestamps

• [06:28] – ABC News birthright citizenship report
• [08:52] – NBC News angle
• [11:30] – CBS and PBS summaries
• [13:30] – Deeper constitutional analysis, critiques
• [16:32] – Political “plan B” after SCOTUS ruling

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Media Misrepresentation: The “Freedom 250” Fair ([20:17–27:06])

• Reports contest mainstream media's claims of “empty” fairgrounds for the 250th anniversary; hosts read “boots on the ground” accounts from producers asserting the fair is packed.
• Discussion of media tricks—camera angles and editing to make events appear unsuccessful or poorly attended.

“They take a shot from a mile away...and they say, ‘look, there’s nobody here.’ I’m telling you, it’s really such a fake.” — Adam Curry [21:32]

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Viral Events: Empire State Daredevils Engagement Stunt ([28:10–34:45])

• Coverage and skepticism over two daredevils climbing the Empire State Building and staging an engagement, which turns out to be a Netflix documentary promotion.
• Cynical take on modern media stunts—“Everything’s a movie promotion.”

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AI Bubble: “Buy the Crash” ([34:56–55:37])

Ford’s AI Failures & Workers' Return ([35:07–39:23])

• Ford had to rehire workers after failed AI-based automation—“our trucks are sucking with this AI stuff.”
• Analysis on the limits of AI in practice and the comeback of human expertise.

Palantir’s CEO on AI Hype ([40:59–55:37])

• Alex Karp (Palantir CEO) interview highlights investor and corporate disillusionment with AI.
• Karp: “These people are livid. I am paying for tokens that create no value. These people are stealing the weights and alpha of my business.” [48:22]
• Commentary on how the business model for AI (i.e., charging for “tokens”) is not delivering on its promises.
• CNBC’s predictable advice: “buy the dip,” satirized as “Buy the Crash,” which becomes the show’s title.

Notable Quote

“If it was so valuable, why are they charging for tokens? If I could make you a billion dollars, I’d just take 30%.” — Alex Karp, paraphrased by Dvorak [47:54]

“This is all going to unwind sooner than we thought.” — John C. Dvorak [55:44]

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Data Center Paranoia ([59:12–67:03])

• Discusses viral claims regarding planned massive data centers (esp. Utah) as fronts for “mass surveillance.”
• Adam refutes the logic—data centers themselves are not surveillance, smartphones/local systems are.
• Commentary on tech investors (e.g., Kevin O’Leary), real estate speculation, and the impracticality of building facilities “the size of Manhattan.”
• Contrast between actual surveillance mechanisms (apps/phones) and meme-driven fear.

“It’s a giant scam. There’s no need for this. There’s no need for it and I’m telling you...” — John C. Dvorak [67:37]

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Tech & Surveillance Overreach ([76:14–78:32])

• Oracle’s Larry Ellison pitches the AI “police state”—constant video surveillance and AI monitoring.
• Satirical skepticism about the utopian sales pitches for surveillance-as-safety.

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American Civic Knowledge & 250th Celebrations ([78:41–83:20])

• Comic relief as the hosts play ‘man on the street’ interviews revealing public ignorance about U.S. history.

“Do they celebrate the 4th of July over there?” — John, on confused Americans asking about the holiday in Holland. [81:50]

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Trump, Crypto, and Corruption Narratives ([83:20–103:14])

• Analysis of media coverage of President Trump’s financial disclosures (esp. crypto/meme coin profits).
• Debunking the idea that crypto-trades and meme coins constitute direct corruption or taxpayer scams.
• Comparison to the Hunter Biden art controversy; examining both as “pay-for-access” narratives.

Notable Moments

“If he wasn’t president, then the only reason—this is basically the analogy to Hunter Biden’s art.” — Adam Curry [101:07]

“Everything sucks. All the news is this [cynicism, negativity].” — John C. Dvorak [103:27]

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Climate & Heatwave Hysteria in Europe ([109:42–116:21])

• Reports of “heat deaths” and reluctance toward air conditioning in Europe framed as environmental virtue.
• Hosts question both the wisdom of such policies and the recurring media cycle around climate “crisis.”

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Wrapping Up: Listener Participation & “Value for Value” Model ([120:45–127:56])

• Discussion of the “Value for Value” show model—rejecting advertising in favor of listener support (“time, talent, treasure”).
• Producer donations, personalized notes, evolving community connections, and humorous analogies to business and advertising relationships.

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Notable Quotes & Clips

• On AI/Media Hype:
  “If you can recreate any business, why wouldn’t you just go into that business? ...Why are you selling things at a loss? ...Because it sucks.” — John C. Dvorak [47:54]
• On the news cycle:
  “It’s misleading... That’s not a surprise. It’s just come on, like, continuously.” — John C. Dvorak [27:02]
• On Data Center Hysteria:
  “The surveillance state is the phone in your pocket. It’s already here. The data centers are not going to surveil you. It’s a data center.” — Adam Curry [65:05]
• On Celebration:
  “I remember the bicentennial... it was fantastic and everyone was happy and fireworks and drill teams. ...Now, everything is so cynical and negative.” — John C. Dvorak [82:31]

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Important Timestamps

• [06:28–11:12] – Major Supreme Court coverage deconstructed
• [20:17–27:06] – “Freedom 250” fair, media manipulation
• [34:56–55:37] – AI “Buy the Crash” analysis
• [59:12–67:03] – Data centers, surveillance paranoia
• [76:14–78:32] – AI & surveillance future, Larry Ellison commentary
• [83:20–103:14] – Trump, crypto, and media corruption coverage
• [109:42–116:21] – Europe’s heatwave and climate narratives

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Show Tone & Personality

• Humorous skepticism and irreverence: Hosts openly mock media failures, repetitive narratives, and industry hype.
• Insider analysis: Drawing on both personal experience, listener input, and expert opinions (including constitutional lawyers and corporate employees).
• Layered references: Callbacks to long-running show memes, past episodes, and global events.
• Community connection: Frequent praise for and interaction with the show's “producers”—the listeners.

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Memorable Moments

• “If I had known that No Agenda was this good I would’ve given them Secret Service protection.” — (AI “President Trump” ISO, [169:34])
• Listeners’ “boots on the ground” reports debunking media narratives on fair attendance and community events.
• Satirical riffing on “Buy the Crash” as both stock advice and show title.
• Playful banter about Adam’s and John’s hearts, hospital stays, and the value of Mah Jongg tiles.

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Conclusion

Episode 1882 stands out for its exhaustive deconstruction of media coverage, its trenchant critique of AI hype and tech industry shenanigans, as well as the hosts’ signature mix of intelligence, humor, and world-weariness. As always, Adam and John blend news with sharp analysis, listener engagement, and a healthy dose of self-parody—culminating in a dissection of what “value” really means in media and modern life.

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For those who haven’t listened:
This episode is a wild, entertaining, and insightful ride through current events, media analysis, and the collective hysteria of the moment. You’ll laugh, you’ll groan, and you’ll learn why the No Agenda community continues to grow and engage.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

We're having a great time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Devorah.

[Poet/Performer]

It's Thursday, July 2, 2026.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is your award winning Kimonation Media assassination episode 1882. This is no Agenda. I'm awaiting the stork. And we're broadcasting live from Museum Square in the heart of Amsterdam, the Netherlands. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry

[Adam Curry]

and from northern Silicon Valley where we're awaiting 250. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Poet/Performer]

It's crackpot and buzzkill in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's kind of weird. I'm over here and I think it's

[Adam Curry]

great because it gives you. It'll give you the European perspective of our 250, which is a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is nothing. No one cares. They don't care.

[Unknown Guest]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

They don't care? No, they don't care here. They don't care at all. There's no one walking around going, wow, almost 200.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm sure that's not happening, but. But that's interesting because they celebrate Black Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, that's true. They do.

[Adam Curry]

How did that happen?

[John C. Dvorak]

You're absolutely right. I can't argue on that. They picked up Black Friday, but no, they now there's. There's no such thing.

[Adam Curry]

They don't even have Thanksgiving yet they still have Black Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not like, you know, like taxi Eric picked us up from the airport. And it's not like he said, hey, almost 250. No, no.

[Adam Curry]

I thought he'd demand a acknowledgment.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but we all, we are pretty excited here. I got a text from Christina. She said the mucus plug has fired, which.

[Adam Curry]

Yuck. Thanks.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a big deal. It means the baby could come soon. The timing could be perfect. Which is the main reason we're here. We're here for other reasons.

[Adam Curry]

For other reasons.

[Poet/Performer]

Well,

[John C. Dvorak]

when my mom passed 20 years ago, it was on this day, actually, July 2nd. She had envelopes for the four of us. The three of us. Bob, her husband. So four of us, but the three of us. And in this, she had a personal letter. And there was little things. And I opened up my letter. My letter's like, I do not want a traditional, you know, like a funeral. I want you to arrange right away a 50s party with a soda fountain and people dressed in 1950s bobby socks. And I'm like, okay. And so I did it. And within two days, on July 4th, I arranged that. I had 50s hot rods. I had everything all set up and people came over and they hung out and didn't quite understand what was going on, but I did that. So my sister Tiffany, who lives here, she kind of made a family reunion. And we're all here to celebrate the 20th memoriam, I guess, of my mom. But it's kind of a family reunion. So the Italian curries are coming, and it's going to be fun. Everybody's here. That's the idea. I can tell you're floored by this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, I was like, I thought the story was leading in one direction, and then it didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what did you expect?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I thought it was like a. You know, the secret node was to be open today or something.

[News Correspondent]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. And congratulations. You have.

[Adam Curry]

20 years later, you open the note.

[John C. Dvorak]

$10 million, Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Check for $10 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wouldn't that have been great? No. So, anyway, so we're on the plane, and now we booked Delta. Delta has direct flights from Austin to Amsterdam, which I thought was only klm, but, you know, they code share or whatever.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's the same company. Yeah, well, not the same company, but they're the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, might as well be, interestingly. So we go to the Delta check, and they're like, oh, no, no, you got to go to the klm. Said, my. My ticket says Delta T. Nobody. You got to check in the klm. Okay, go. Yeah. So it is a KLM aircraft. It's a KLM crew. Haven't been on a KLM plane for a number of years, actually. And so we're sitting down, and there's the prototypical gay steward. You know, my age, so 50s, 6, my 40s, my age, 50s, 60s. And he's like, oh, oh, oh, oh, it's so great to have you on board. You're Christina's dad. I'm like, oh, my goodness.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the point is, I used to be famous.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's hilarious.

[Poet/Performer]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Hello, Penny drop.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I thought it was. Again, I thought you were leading in another direction, which was.

[Unknown Guest]

That was.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was the punchline.

[Adam Curry]

Oh. I thought it was going to go the following. That it was scripted and somebody had said, you know, told this guy to say that, which has happened to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

And it was. You found out the fraud, and it's going to go in all kinds of directions. Never did.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm looking at the troll room. Why. Why is potty mouth saying, according to Rocket Reach, no Agenda LLC is valued at $2 million? Yeah, that's with us alive and in it. Dude, where's.

[Adam Curry]

We'll sell the show for five.

[John C. Dvorak]

What Are you talking about a seller for two? Good to go. Take it over, please. Hey, now it's time for three. Let's get right to experiment by jcd comparing stories from abc, CBS and NBC.

[Poet/Performer]

The never ending symbol.

[Commentator/Analyst]

That's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

John's got the big three stories from the big three. There were quite a number of stories, most of them pretty boring and stupid.

[Adam Curry]

But this one, most of the stories were boring and stupid. And I will say this, this was. This Supreme Court came down with some decisions and everybody focused on the one that, that burned Trump. He's trying to do stuff he can't do, which is mainly then. So they all, blah, blah, blah. You know, he couldn't get his birthright citizenship thing through and they burned him and on and on and on. So here we go with three versions of that story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Let's start with which one do you think we start with abc.

[John C. Dvorak]

Abc.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

It is tonight, the Supreme Court rejecting President Trump's effort to end birthright citizenship, upholding the 14th Amendment's long standing decree that babies born in this country are born American. Chief Justice John Roberts declaring ensuring citizenship then and now was the right to have rights to freely participate in our political community. The framers of the 14th Amendment extended that promise to every freeborn person in this land. We keep that promise today. Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, and Samuel Alito dissenting. Alito calling the decision a serious mistake that will seriously affect the future. Trump signed the executive order ending birthright citizenship on the very first day he returned to office.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one. Birthright. That's a big one.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Today he called the court's ruling too bad for our country, adding, we can easily make it up in Congress through legislation, but Congress does not have the power to overturn the 14th Amendment. Today, the justice is handing Trump a victory on another issue he put front and center when he returned to the White House last year.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

The war on women's sports. Sports is over.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

The justice is allowing states to ban transgender girls and women from playing on women's teams, citing both fairness and safety. Justice Brett Kavanaugh writes states may maintain women's and girls sports for biological females. In her partial dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor insisting it's not been proven that transgender student athletes categorically posed dangers to competitive fairness and safety. And David, the Supreme Court did not outright ban transgender girls from competing in women's sports. That is up to individual states. And right now, 29 states have restrictions on transgender athletes. The other 21 allow trans girls to play on Girls teams.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so they wrapped those two together. Can't you hear speakers down just a little bit? I'm having a hard time gating that out. Yeah, so they, they folded those two into one. Okay. All right, that makes sense.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's the way they did it. It was like blame. Let's try NBC.

[NBC Reporter]

Tonight, the U.S. supreme Court dealing a major blow to President Trump's immigration crackdown. Striking down his controversial executive order that sought to ban automatic US Citizenship for babies born to undocumented immigrants. The President today slamming the court's decision as too bad for our country. While immigration advocates celebrated it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The fact is that if you're born

[Adam Curry]

here, you're an American citizen, period.

[NBC Reporter]

The President has long railed against birthright citizenship enshrined in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution passed after the Civil War.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

This was not meant for Chinese billionaires to have their children become citizens of our country. This was meant, or other rich people, poor people. This was meant for the babies of slaves.

[NBC Reporter]

But today, Chief Justice John Roberts writing for the majority, reaffirming the long settled understanding of the 14th Amendment, guaranteeing citizenship towards all children born in the US and subject to its power with limited exceptions, writing, quote, the framers of the 14th Amendment extended that promise to every free born person in this land. We keep that promise today. In dissent, Justice Samuel Alito calling the ruling a serious mistake that preserves a powerful incentive to enter or remain in this country illegally. The executive order, if allowed, could have potentially impacted more than 250,000 babies born in the US every year to non citizens. 13 year old Mia expressing relief today that families like hers can now stay together.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is our home. We belong here. Yeah, okay. Boy, this is so.

[Adam Curry]

This is shallow.

[Poet/Performer]

It's not.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, they could have mentioned Clarice Thomas. No, they said the same Alito stuff and then they don't mention. It's not ex post facto. You know, somebody's already born here. All of a sudden now they got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got it. They got kicked out. No, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Which is the way they imply there at the end of this, at this

[John C. Dvorak]

end of the story, they're wrapping it up with dreamers and daca. So that's what they're doing.

[Adam Curry]

How did they never mention. They don't mention it. Just so you're right, it's shallow and lame.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have analysis from our constitutional lawyer in a moment. But let's, let's hear what CBs.

[CBS Reporter]

Good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we'll hear from him after. Now we go to the. By the way, these have been in order of length, yes, but you can see that the ABC one was stretched. The NBC was actually technically the longest for just about the topic, and the shortest One is from CBS.

[PBS Reporter]

The court said that the framers of the 14th Amendment extended the promise of citizenship to almost, quote, every free person born in this land, rejecting President Trump's efforts to rewrite the Constitution with the stroke of a pen. In one of the first executive orders of his second term. On Inauguration Day, President Trump tried to end birthright citizenship today after the Supreme Court rejected his effort in a forcefully worded opinion. He called the ruling too bad for our country and urged Congress to take action immediately. Trump had argued the 14th Amendment was intended to grant citizenship to freed slaves and their descendants after the Civil War, not to the 200 babies born every year to people here illegally or temporarily. But in the decision by Chief Justice John Roberts, joined by Trump appointee Amy Coney Barrett and the three liberal justices, the court said, under the Constitution, they are citizens at birth. Juan Parano, CEO of LULAC, cheered the ruling.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, the stakes are 4 to

[News Correspondent]

500,000 children born in the United States

[John C. Dvorak]

to parents that may be undocumented or at least in the process of getting legal status in the United States. All those children born would not have been US Citizens and they would have been stateless. So this is really quite disappointing from all three of the big so called news networks. They really left a lot of things out here because really, this wasn't about the 14th amendment per se. And I'm getting this from Rob, our constitutional lawyer. You know, we have more producers than any news program, any news organization anywhere on the planet. I defy that's true because we don't have listeners. We got zero listeners. We have nothing but producers. At issue here was Trump's executive order to limit birthright citizenship, which is a little different than ruling on the 14th Amendment itself, which, according to Rob, and I'll take his word for it, SCOTUS actually disagrees 5 to 4 on the meaning of the 14th Amendment. See that? See, they don't discuss that. This was only about his executive order. And Rob goes into the relevant part of the 14th Amendment, which derives from a British common law doctrine called Juli Julius.

[Constitutional Lawyer]

Latin.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is my Latin. Latin for law of the soil. And under the USOLI doctrine, anyone born within the king's allegiance or protection was deemed a natural born subject of the crown, regardless of the parent status. The Dred Scott decision.

[News Correspondent]

This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I can't believe no one even brought this up. In the news reports temporarily overruled this concept and made.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on, I should mention, because your complaint is legit except for the fact if you listen to all the news analysis programs, a number of people brought up the Dred Scott decision.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

But you know, but yeah, but it wasn't. Yeah, these straight up reports are really bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the Dred Scott decision temporarily overruled this concept and made hereditary rather than soil the determining factor. So Justice Clarence Thomas, he wrote a 91 page dissent, I don't think not

[Adam Curry]

mentioned in any of the three reports.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he says that Ju Solai does not just mean geographical location. This is interpretation, but actual allegiance. He argues that the majority wrongly ignores that the 14th Amendment requires primary allegiance through domicile, not through mere temporary or unlawful presence. Which I think means that you can throw out every single Democratic politician because they have no allegiance to America. So we should, we should just throw them all out. And actually, I'll put this in the show notes because I thought it was really interesting that they really didn't focus in on anything. They did do cute things like Ms. Now. I still have a hard time saying Ms. Now instead of MSNBC and msnbc, why don't you just call themselves the podcast now they're doing podcast level content with podcast level visuals and podcast level, podcast level production. Everything is podcast level. We're better. I mean, okay, you don't see my pillow against the wall here, but so the cute little gag was plan B. They've got a plan B. And the way I took that was, you know what plan B is? The medication plan B.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so it's like, oh, for birthright, we got a plan B for aborting the birthright. Yeah, it's a subtle pun that they kind of threw in there. And here's the plan B.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

But let's talk about the decisions from the Supreme Court that we saw this week and last week. What are you hearing from the White House about the reaction to some of these cases, especially the Birthright Citizenship Act? It seems like Brett Kavanaugh has given Congress a roadmap to now follow through on crafting legislation to codify the President's executive order that SCOTUS has said is not viable. What are you hearing from the White House? There's more pressure on Congress now. It's not just with the SAVE act, but also on birthright citizenship. So when they come back after this July 4th recess, I think there is going to be yet another to do list for Republicans on Capitol Hill. I think with birthright citizenship this was something the administration was expecting. We even heard President Trump sort of try to lower expectations on this. So this was clearly something that they had in their back pocket ready to go with as a plan B in the likely scenario which happened of the Supreme Court striking it down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so that's, so now they're going to take it to Congress and, you know, see what they can do there. I don't know, I like the allegiance part more than anything. Makes kind of sense to me.

[Unknown Guest]

But.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, they have these tourism, there's, there's baby tourism. They bring the pregnant women over here.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is an offensive term. JOHN C. Dvorak Offensive, offensive. And the BBC will explain why.

[BBC Reporter]

One of President Trump's first acts on returning to office last year was to sign an executive order seeking to end automatic citizens citizenship for anyone born to foreign parents in the US he'd argued that undocumented migrants were not subject to a right that has been enshrined in the American Constitution for more than 150 years after the abolition of slavery. But Judges at the US Supreme Court, in a 6, 3 decision, have delivered a clear message to Mr. Trump. Birthright citizenship can't simply be annulled with the stroke of a presidential pen. He responded by saying, interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

You hear how the BBC actually got it right, which is astounding. Our own news guys, news outfits can't get it right. They said it said this was about him annulling the 14th Amendment with an executive order. That's all that this was. This didn't validate or invalidate the 14th

[BBC Reporter]

Amendment with the stroke of a presidential pen. He responded by saying the court's decision was too bad and that he would use Congress to get around it. The House Speaker, Mike Johnson, also expressed his disappointment.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is a serious problem we have. It's become a tourism, birthing tourism. They call it, you know, a trend where people would just come and you just come onto the soil and have your child and then they're, they're able to avail themselves of the welfare state and everything else. It's, it's been abused.

[BBC Reporter]

But for those who've settled in the US and gone on to have children, this ruling brings a great sense of relief. The BBC heard from one woman who traveled to the US to claim asylum after fleeing Guatemala because of the threat of violence back home. Last year, she gave birth to a baby girl. She didn't want to give us her name. And her words are spoken by an interpreter. She says the term birth tourism is offensive to many hard working migrants.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go offensive. You're just an offensive man. You're birthing tourism.

[Constitutional Lawyer]

Sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Offensive. Offensive, I tell you. Yeah. Well, did anyone really expect that to go in his favor? I didn't expect it to go in his favor.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think anyone did. But we got another one for Trump. We got another one. And what else? Oh, his fair is no good.

[Adam Curry]

The fair. The fair, they keep showing. They never show the fair. They just show the giant lawn which is near the fair that has people, which is a monstrous thing. And they say, look, nobody's at the fair. But nobody's at the. Because they're not at the fair. To see who's at the fair, people. We got notes from people that went to the fair. They said,

[John C. Dvorak]

actually got it here from Gumbo.

[Adam Curry]

Please read.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is from Gumbo in D.C. who works in D.C. and asked to be kept anonymous. How about a real time Boots on the ground. I've been on the Mall many days and nights since the opening ceremony, including this show day. I was listening to today's episode, that was Sunday, on the walk back to my condo. My condo, and paused to send this. When you gents talked about the fair, it's been packed, every single visit. But people are making it look empty with how they take the pictures. The mall is huge. There's so much to do that people migrate to the next big event. All day. Concerts, performances, movies on huge screens, even a rodeo, a real rodeo.

[Adam Curry]

We haven't seen what network has shown us the rodeo or what network has shown us the giant screen.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had no idea. I had no idea that there was a rodeo going on.

[Adam Curry]

No, because all they show is they back. They take a shot from a mile away of the giant. Of the giant lawn that's out in the middle of the whole place. And they say, look, there's nobody here. I'm telling you, it's really such a fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought I had a clip about.

[Adam Curry]

Unless they show us the rodeo.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought I had a clip here. Let me see the rodeo.

[Adam Curry]

But no, there's nobody there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here it is. Freedom 250. Yes. I think.

[Larry Ellison]

Is this it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see what this is. This great American State Fair, which is

[Commentator/Analyst]

happening just down the mall, is being put on by an ostensibly nonpartisan group called. What is it called? Freedom250. But Trump is sort of taking the thing over. How did that happen? So there was a congressional bipartisan committee set up to celebrate America's 250th called America 250. And that's been sort of shunted away and supplanted by Freedom 250. Freedom 250. It's always freedom. Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the confusion you brought up between.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, I brought it up, but America 250 didn't go away.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Which is a creation of Trump. He appoints the leaders, the White House leads it. It's funded by taxpayer money in a lot of cases, but it's directed by the White House. It's a Trump political operation. I mean, and I was joking about your Pulitzer. We're talking about nanobubblers. But your focus on nonprofits and how they were used is what won you that award in the first place. When you see this organization, what are you looking at? What it means? So the money that this is taxpayer money that goes into a nonprofit and that nonprofit, then its spending becomes opaque. We don't know if it's giving out no bid contracts. We don't know who is hired.

[Adam Curry]

We don't know who's

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm trying to find. This is so odd. I thought I had an Ms. Now clip where. Oh, here it is. Yes, this is the one, I think.

[Nicole Wallace]

Hi again, everyone. It's five o' clock in the East. Donald Trump's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I had a beer, I saw.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, actually, this is. What's her name here. Let's start. Let's start off properly.

[Unknown Guest]

Here we go.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Sometimes the pictures really don't tell the full story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because if you look, this is good.

[Adam Curry]

This is Miz.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, what's the Saki Saki show playing? A bit of Fox. So this is. And Fox, as you've probably seen, they've got their white couch, they're outside, they're basking in the glory of the fair, which is also kind of sicko.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Sometimes the pictures really don't tell the full of the full story because if

[John C. Dvorak]

you look behind us, you see, okay,

[Commentator/Analyst]

there are a couple hundred people back there.

[Adam Curry]

But the truth is when you make

[Commentator/Analyst]

your way over here and you're in

[Adam Curry]

this, you're in a wash of people.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are thousands of people here. And I'll tell you what, that's with rain, with everything else going on, the

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

fact that it is heightened security just

[John C. Dvorak]

because of the world right now. It's really an awesome crowd and it's

[Commentator/Analyst]

people that want to be here.

[Nicole Wallace]

Don't believe your eyes. Don't believe your ears. I put on my glasses to get a closer look. The live show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, it's the other woman, Nicole

[Nicole Wallace]

Wallace, literally behind all those people saying all Those things tells a totally different story from the things coming out of their mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they're lying. Let's talk about it.

[Nicole Wallace]

Hi again, everyone. It's five o' clock in the East. Donald Trump's long awaited freedom to 50 great American state Fair went off with a whimper this weekend with what looked like tens, dozens of people showing up for the event, which was plagued with problems. Power outages, a shutdown, Ferris wheel, extreme weather, and the cancellation of a performance by one of the only artists who stood by Donald Trump. Other than Kash Patel's girlfriend. And that was part of Vanilla Ice.

[John C. Dvorak]

What kind of slight is that? Kash Patel's girlfriend, is she a singer? I thought she was a Russian spy. She's a singer.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she could be both.

[Nicole Wallace]

Other than Kash Patel's girlfriend. And that was part of Vanilla Ice. Needless to say, the less than stellar review.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on. Vanilla Ice is Cash Patel's girlfriend. This is a scandal in the viral

[Nicole Wallace]

post about his crowds have gotten under Donald Trump's skin in a big way. Donald Trump posted this response on Truth Social, quote, do you think people appreciate what a fantastic job we did in building and operating the Great American State Fair at the National Mall packed with happy people? Oh my God, I can't believe I'm reading this. And everybody loving it. Well, you are president, went on. Ask yourself this simple question. The President of the United States switched to all casts. Quote, do you think that Obama or Sleepy Joe Biden could have done it? The answer is in Trump's post. No. The answer was like Obama did it last week at the opening of the Obama Center.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh please.

[Nicole Wallace]

But I guess in this case Trump has a point. Obama has never in his life. Like if Obama's motorcades draw bigger crowds for OTRs trips that aren't even announced.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh my goodness.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Continue with our boots on the ground. So even a real rodeo and the Ferris wheels line is very long at peak times for the best views of the city. If they allowed drone footage, you would see the. Oh, that's a good point. You would see the entire mall. But these grifters and clickbaiters know that and just want to orange man bad.

[Adam Curry]

This thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also the weird religious tent that people keep bitching and posting about. That thing has been on the mall for many months. I don't think the park folks can kick them off because they got a permit. Has nothing to do with the 250th fair says gumbo in D.C. our boots on the ground. So there you go. It's but but all of the news, it's. It's all so cynical and so.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not. I don't even call it cynical. It's misleading.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, well, yeah, I mean, but that's not a surprise. I mean, that's not the surprising thing. It's just come on, like, continuously. And then we have the ongoing fight with the housing. You know, let's. Let's skip that for now. I'm not in. I want to talk about nothing but bills. It's all kinds of bills going on. Bills this, bills that. Let's talk about. Let's see.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I got a number of things that we can talk about. Yeah, but yet it will be changing the subject.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we don't. I mean, well, what is the subject of 250? Do you have anything on the 250?

[Adam Curry]

No, I. I think we can talk about 250 on Sunday show. We're working over the July 4th weekend.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dude. I literally know.

[Adam Curry]

People don't seem to appreciate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I literally flew through the night, set up the studio, and I'm working here, and it's. It's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Most podcasters would have taken the day off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And relaxed. After international trip.

[John C. Dvorak]

I flew through the air, landed, and then set up the studio. And my wife is in her bathrobe here on the bed. Hello. Hello, wife.

[Adam Curry]

When are you going to be done?

[John C. Dvorak]

She has a headphone. Oh, she's very annoyed by it. Yeah, we don't. We don't. How come we don't have a suite where you can be in a different room? Well, because I'm a podcaster. You should have married a politician. So there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Let's talk about the list. Change something and talk about the daredevils. The dare. The empire. I got two clips.

[Financial Analyst]

This was good.

[Adam Curry]

I got the first one's from ntd, which I think is a good rundown, which is Empire State Daredevils.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Two daredevils were arrested today after climbing the antenna of New York City's Empire State Building. The duo flew a banner from the top which read, quote, when the power of love beats the love of the of power, the world knows peace. NYPD has released video footage of officers interacting with the couple. An officer could be heard telling the couple that they weren't allowed to be where they were. And then the couple could be heard saying that they speak Russian. New York City Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch praised the emergency service unit for their response. The duo were daredevil artists Angela Nikolaou and Vanya Bierkis. They documented Their time in the. The sky on social media. It's not yet clear though, how they got up to the antenna spire some 1400ft above the ground.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't they climb up the side of the building like most of these Spider man people?

[Adam Curry]

They never say, I think they got in the elevator, went up to as high as they could, and then climbed. Whatever. That part's not explained as. All we know is we have some phony footage of them up there. I identified one thing that was on Fox that were the helicopters going around them, but they weren't moving.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this. Now is this signage? Is this.

[Adam Curry]

They got. Okay, where do you think they got that? From a podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, from a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Got it from a podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

How come rp, our producers, aren't climbing up buildings and promoting the show?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they were. They did promote the show because here, the second clip is Daredevils. Here they are in jail. And what it turned out that the whole thing was to get it. That was to get engaged. And they did. And they had a big kiss at the top of the Empire State Building. And this is the two of them in jail doing an Instagram post. And. And the thing looks rigged. It's like TMZ and CBS and all these networks were involved somehow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello from jail. We are engaged.

[Financial Analyst]

They couldn't be here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. They're in jail and they let it. They give them their phones in jail?

[Adam Curry]

I'm just saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lifelong dream to get engaged on top of skyscraper.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

We want to thank abc, tmz, cbs, FOX News.

[John C. Dvorak]

Entertained in T Night, Yahoo. Everyone who shared our love.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Benzy signs.

[Unknown Guest]

Yes.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Benzy power of love speaks.

[Poet/Performer]

The llama power.

[CBS Reporter]

The world knows peace.

[John C. Dvorak]

We found that one in Mel Robbins podcast. Yes, you can find us on Z Knots.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

And we are registered at Bed Valley and beyond.

[PBS Reporter]

I love

[John C. Dvorak]

no touching. We are in love. So according to Nick the rat who came out of. He came out of the sewer into the troll room. This is a Netflix promotion for the documentary Skywalkers, A love story that follows daredevil couple Angela Nikolai Nikolao and Ivan Birkus.

[Poet/Performer]

That's them.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, them.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's a promotion. It's a movie promotion. As usual, everything's a movie promotion.

[Adam Curry]

And then they. They get a plug in for being on the Knot. So they're going to get a bunch of free wedding gifts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Free stuff.

[Poet/Performer]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, that is. You know, I bet you Steven Spielberg is just stewing right now. Say, how come I couldn't get this kind of attention for disclosure day? And these idiots take it All.

[Adam Curry]

Not only that, but they were everywhere. They were on Baby America, they were on Twitter and this, and they were on Insta and Facebook and the news, cbs, NBC, a Fox. And she says, yahoo. Yahoo. Yahoo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's pretty good. You know, I've been up there. If you look right at that tower. If you look at the tower, the base of the tower is a little round room.

[Adam Curry]

That's where they did the proposal.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were in that room, the little. The small, tiny. Because you know what's in there?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, no, they were up above it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so right under there's an open platform.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I don't know how, you know, there's something about the mental of people that are. That can do this kind of thing where you can be 1400ft in the air on the top of a building on a windy day on an open platform and look over and go, hey, look how far up we are. So I don't know how you do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been up there one time with Steve Pepe, who was the engineer at Z100. And the way it worked, this is back in the late 80s, it was a different radio stations, transmitter, engineers, responsibility. They change, I think, every three months. And it would be that guy's turn to go up to the top of the Empire State Building and to check the health of everybody's transmitter. And it's this little room. It's like the size of a hotel room. It's round, obviously. And there's just nothing but transmitters up there. And, you know, I think you can get impotent if you stay up there too long.

[Adam Curry]

I think that's what I wonder about climbing that antenna.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's probably not a great idea. I mean. Well, that's a tower.

[Adam Curry]

No, there's R.F.

[John C. Dvorak]

it's the tower, it's not the antenna.

[Larry Ellison]

But still.

[John C. Dvorak]

But yeah. And there's a special elevator that takes you all the way to the top. And then you walk up the, you know, little twisty turny stair, like a spiral staircase. Then you're in that room and the platform is right above it. So maybe they didn't even.

[Unknown Guest]

Did they even.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't know if they didn't climb up the side of the Empire State Building where they took the elevator up to the tiny room.

[Adam Curry]

They did. I'm sure that's what they did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting. Well, it's a good promotion. It's pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

It was a dynamite promotion, I have to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

And she's cute and she's showing off for ring. The whole thing is fake. Yeah, Fake and gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need to talk about AI because there are a couple of stories that came out that I think will affect the. What would you call that? The AI trademark. The AI trade, I think.

[Larry Ellison]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have one. Good. Because I have one clip. When you're done, I want to play this clip because the clip bothers me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would you like to start off with that? I'd prefer if you. Would you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's more about. It's not about AI so much about the server farm. So I want to hear the AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's two things. A couple things happened. The first one is Ford made a rather startling announcement saying, you know, we replaced a whole bunch of people with AI and AI cameras and AI sensors to make sure the nuts and bolts were tightened just perfectly. And yeah, we're hiring people back because our trucks are sucking with this AI stuff. This was a pretty big financial story. This is from Bloomberg.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Was it your team? Was it an employee, A labor issue? Was it, you know, technology? Did you use AI? Was it factory processes? Like, can you get into specifics of how you did it?

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy, these Bloomberg people are doing podcasts. This is not. This is not journalism anymore.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

If you, if you were to visit today, the Rouge plant where we make the F150, Matt, what you would see is a whole control center around data and quality data. So we measure the torque of every one of the our fasteners. We have AI tools for vision systems. But most of all, it's just old fashioned hard work of our team members all working together to pay attention to the very small details that will make a difference between a perfectly built Ford and an okay built Toyota. It's just an incredible attention to every.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on, stop. Is he equating? There's an equivalency thing he did there, but I think he may have been subconscious. He equates a perfectly built Ford with a mediocrely built Toyota. Are they the same?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think what he meant to say was it's the difference between our trucks, which are great, and a crappy Toyota, which is put together, slapped together with a robot. That's what he meant to say, but let's hear it, let's hear it again.

[Unknown Guest]

That will make a difference between a perfectly built Ford and an okay difference.

[John C. Dvorak]

Give him a break. He says details.

[Unknown Guest]

That will make a difference between a perfectly built Ford and an okay built Toyota. It's just an incredible attention to every single detail.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you know, they had a 700,000 unit recall on trucks. So I don't know if that's something to do with it, but the way the CEO Farley here is spinning it is this is America, man. We use American workers.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

So, I mean, it's interesting now that

[Commentator/Analyst]

we're in the age of AI and we're talking about this technology killing jobs, but it seems like in your case, it's really experienced human workers that made the big difference.

[Unknown Guest]

It did. I have to say, the process coach, the area coaches, you know, they get up every morning, they look at the last shift's quality data, we look at how many vehicles are repaired. And we work that process every moment of every day. Every employee walks into any one of our plants, they know exactly are we winning or are we losing. Yesterday and today, everyone is fully aware of where we stand. We know exactly where Toyota is. We knew exactly, exactly how to, you know, where we need to get to beat Tundra and Super Duty better than any of the other domestic competitors. And so everyone is aware exactly the quality that's coming out of our plant in any particular shift every 50 seconds. And that is that human motivation to pay attention to everything is amazing. Look, we make 85% of our vehicles in the U.S. matt. That means these are U.S. factory workers versus even our domestic competitors. They're some of the biggest importers in the US we're not building these vehicles in South Korea or Japan. These are American workers beating Toyota and Hyundai and our domestics who import their vehicles. We beat them all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, baby, we beat them. We're the American workers. But the story that I really, that and I saw this. We were waiting at the airport in Austin and they had the screen and

[Adam Curry]

so before you go on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What did he say in that clip? That was anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's why I said it's a cover up. They switched back from a whole bunch of engineering tasks, which I think is assembly line tasks that they had decided to use AI for. And they said, no, no, now we have. Because it was a big story. They rehired hundreds of Ford engineers, assembly line people, because the robots were doing a crap job. They weren't tightening the bolts. Stuff was falling apart, rattling out off the assembly line. So he spins it as we, you know, when the next people come on the line, they check what the people before them did. Because we love our country, we love our truck. That's. Where's your, where's your jingle? Man, this is a perfect.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, actually funny thing. Funny you'd ask about that perfect time. As I yak, as you Delay so I can find it. And I love my truck and I love what I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. So. But that. That's a chink in the armor of the AI craze. But what happened on CNBC and this was like a 20 minute segment. Alex Karp, I don't know if you saw this. He's the CEO of Palantir, the company that somehow people believe has.

[Adam Curry]

I saw parts of this. He went nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it was great. He even said, I'm going nuts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he said that. I saw that part.

[Larry Ellison]

You know, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we've had people who work at Palantir email us, you know, with boots on the ground. It's like, you know, they're not even really an AI company. You know, they sit on top of Oracle databases and all kinds of other stuff and they have some proprietary. And they've been doing this for a long time. But somehow people believe that when you take Palantir and you put your flock cameras in there and all the data centers, they're going to control every single move and we're all going to die. And Palantir, which of course has got Jews in there, they're going to control us all. I read the documents as how it's all going to go down, but that's not true at all. In fact, their applications sit on top of, if anything, AI sit on top of the large language models. And he. I think partially because their stock price has gone down because they don't have a sexy AI story. I think that's why he's mad. Even though they're all billionaires, they've made so much money.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, heaven forbid.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what he said here was absolutely spot on.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

So the general way these things were sold, again, these people are Sam and Dario. There's nothing more fun than debating Dario in private. So this is. I'm not throwing shade at them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not throwing shade at them, okay?

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

But something has gone completely wrong. And the basic view among enterprises in this country is I'm going to chill.

[Unknown Guest]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Who's Dario?

[John C. Dvorak]

CEO of Anthropic.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's complaining about OpenAI and Anthropic.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

And the basic view among enterprises in this country is I'm going to chillax and waste my time with tokens. I'm going to get no value and they're going to get my ip. Now, that sounds like shade.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And not to shade.

[Commentator/Analyst]

It sounds like if you're saying these.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

No, no, no, no. This is reporting.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, stop it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, sure.

[Adam Curry]

The one part about this Interview that. That just. Just almost made me just. I don't know why I was going to break something at one point. This carp, and this is an interview with. What's his name of the New York Times or. No, with cnbc. Used to be New York Times.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorkin kid.

[Adam Curry]

Sorkin?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Is it Sorkin?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, it's the Sorkin kid. Andrew Sorkin.

[Adam Curry]

Andrew Ross Sorkin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. A R, S. Andrew Ross Sorkin.

[Larry Ellison]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Karp says, well, I'm gonna tell you something. The New York Times, if they got a hold of. I would never say this ever in a million years, but I'm gonna say it because. And I know the New York Times, I hope they're not listening. I hope the Washington Post is not listening. But I'm gonna tell you something. Sorkin interrupts him and asks another question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Sorkin wants none of them.

[Adam Curry]

What is wrong with this guy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorkin?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's his job to keep this going.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

It's not.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not their job to report on. There's only one, I think the old dude, Joe. What's his name? Joe Kernan.

[Adam Curry]

Kernan.

[Financial Analyst]

I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Kernan. I think he's pretty.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's. He's a.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a pretty good dude.

[Adam Curry]

Fly in the ointment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's the Dvorak of cnbc. And he sits there, but, you know, he's not quite as. Well, he doesn't get all abrasive, but. But he, you know, and all the rest is like, market's going down. Buy the dip. Market's going up. You don't want to miss out. I mean, that's all they do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This known CNBC is known as. Yeah, perpetual.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's okay. But what he's saying here. And I got five very short clips because the whole thing was 20 minutes. So I think these are the key points. So here he is saying, hey, this. This thing is bull crap. That's. That's basically what he's saying.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Tokens. I'm going to get no value and they're going to get my ip. No, that sounds like shade, okay?

[Commentator/Analyst]

And not to shade. It sounds like if you're saying these.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

No, no, no, no. This is reporting, okay. And this is reporting.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm doing your job, Sorkin.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

That I've I've literally, against my own interest, called. These are like, I'm profiting from this.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. So he's saying he's doing reporting here. It's good for his business. So that's interesting that he is open about that, but I'll give you a preview. What he's saying is that corporate America got the bill for tokens and went okay, this is not paying off. This is not replacing people. It's costing more than the people that I want to replace this with. And it's not actually.

[Adam Curry]

Hence the Ford clips you played previously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, and it's not really doing the job we were promised. But in addition, what's happening with my data if I'm using OpenAI or Anthropics models, are you just sucking up my data and using that? Well, the answer is yes, of course. And so he's going to talk about weights and alpha. These are all proprietary things that you can adjust a large language model with.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Then you have my enterprises in the private sector who have the same issues like why would they get access to my data if they're going to build my alpha? Why wouldn't I control the weights? Why would. And that's where you get this partnership. What aligns me with in video and I think is what the cost technical customers want, which is control over their compute, their models, their data stack and their alpha. They want to know know they own the means of production. It's not being transferred to someone else. They're not interested in some fake deploy co that somehow is deploying tokens that transfers the alpha to a third party and the jig is up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so this sounds a little complicated but you have to understand that Palantir just did a direct deal with Nvidia and they're going to run open large language models that their customers control and own and whatever comes out of it will be their intellectual property and not open AI or anthropics. This is a complete destruction of the model that is supposed to make these companies trillion dollar companies in their IPOs which as far as I can tell are being delayed. Here's a very simple version of it that CARP gives us.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Our products are agnostic. We we now sell a product to customers that allows you to switch from model to model because. And we're completely agnostic, but we need to rebuild, build trust. And that trust is going to happen where everyone gets to ask, ask and answer basic questions. Who owns the data? Where is it cashed? Are the prompts secure? Is this being transferred to you? Are you being okay? If it was so valuable, let's say I can make you $1 billion right tomorrow, wouldn't I say I'll make you $1 billion and I want 30%? Why are they charging for tokens if it's so valuable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we, we. I think we even said this a while back. If you can create any business, if you can recreate it, why wouldn't you just go into that business? Why are you, why are you selling things at a loss that clearly this tokens is not making you enough money? And he's saying, you know, if this was really so good, why wouldn't I just take 30% of the profits that I make? Well, because it sucks.

[Adam Curry]

Because it's not, it's no good.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

But I'm telling you, in this country, at every single enterprise I deal with, these people are livid. They're like, I am paying for tokens that create no value. These people are stealing the weights and alpha of my business. And they're creating a wealth tax that does not help the poor. It just punishes. Starts with the billionaires. Every single person at this table is going to be paying a wealth tax only to punish us. And the reason for it is because these models have been completely over, irresponsible, responsibly oversell. And the sell is, it's dangerous for everyone. Which is why I can give it to all your adversaries, but I can't give it to the Department of War or I can't safely give it to an enterprise in this country without being certain that the Alphabet business could transfer to this model tomorrow. That is I have no business, no job.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Sound pretty angry.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

No, this is the voice of American business that is being channeled through me.

[Poet/Performer]

He's right. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he's spot on. And so of course now we have the bubble question.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

I want you, everybody watching this to test what I'm saying, especially investors who think somehow this is working. Pick up the phone and call a CEO in private, not in public. Every single person here can do this. Call 2 or 3 and say, Madman Karp is on TV saying, We're livid. I'm not going to quote you. You know, I won't quote you have a history shit. And see, they're twice as livid as me, like.

[Adam Curry]

So if you're right though, does that

[Commentator/Analyst]

mean that we are living in some kind of terrible AI bubble and that we're going to, in a quarter or

[Adam Curry]

two or three quarters from now, we're

[Commentator/Analyst]

going to hear that big enterprises are canceling their subscriptions to these products or

[John C. Dvorak]

that they build out is going to slow. He is just buffaloing through him like, oh, you say that this is what's going to happen. This is. But you're just Crazy man.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Because this is, this is the tragedy of it. The reality of compute plus ontology plus model change. The, is changing the course of history. Ask the Ukrainians, ask the Israelis, ask our Department of War, ask the enterprise that are working. We do not have to oversell what we have. We have. And it's all being built in this country, basically. Except for the open models, which is a real thing coming from China. Except for Nvidia models which are world class, basically. It's all being built here. We do not have to overhype. We do not have to overhype it to the point where we're going to have wealth tax punishing if they're charging

[Commentator/Analyst]

the enterprise three times as much as they should be.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Yeah.

[Commentator/Analyst]

And then, and then they have to pull back on that. That changes the math of all of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it does. Sorkin child. Yes, exactly this. And, and as nutty as Karp is, he's right. This, this stupid marketing gamut of. It's just too dangerous. We just can't give it to you. I'm sorry. No, no, we have to. The Department of War said, Trump said. We just.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's been deconstructed by more than a few people. Bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Total bull crap. And then, I don't know if you saw, neither of us are on the mic. I'm not on Microsoft at all anymore. But you're wisely. You're still on Vista. And are you on Vista or 10? What are you on?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're talking about my operating system.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're on Windows, but you're on a special one that doesn't upgrade.

[Adam Curry]

I'm on a special old version of 10. Yeah, it's 10 that doesn't upgrade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, it doesn't upgrade. Well, did you hear what happened on Patch Tuesday?

[Adam Curry]

No, but I can just imagine.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Patch Tuesday.

[Adam Curry]

Patch Tuesday has always been that issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. But this was the biggest Patch Tuesday in Microsoft's Patch Tuesday history. And over 200 bugs appeared, including BitLocker keys being required. Now, if no one's ever seen this, where something happens with your, with your Windows and then you get a blue screen, it says, yeah, this is a dangerous version. This could be fake. So you have to enter your 3000 digit BitLocker key, which you then have to get from the Microsoft website. Have you ever been through this loop, this bitlocker?

[Larry Ellison]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Thank God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh Lord. The BitLocker loop is crazy. And so just imagine you're an IT guy and you have, I don't know, 400 desktops.

[Adam Curry]

Try 10,000.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you have to go and find a bitlocker key for every single one. The trash. If you want to empty the tr this is across the board. Now windows, if you want to enter empty the trash the dialog pops up. Are you sure you Want to delete? J 652-932-2278 hash, dollar sign, pound sign. So it doesn't give you the file names anymore of what you think you're going to delete. And at the same time you've got Sachin Adela saying, well you know, 30% of our code is coded by AI. Yeah, no kidding. This, this is what's going on with this stuff. It's no good. And so then CNBC follows up with the stories which are obvious that people are like, you know, this stuff is not, not working for me in my business on the balance sheet.

[Financial Analyst]

But Dom, I, I think it makes sense. The market is trying to understand sor new narrative around the Mag 7 because they went from asset like companies that produced a lot of free cash flow now to ones that are more balance sheet intensive actually funding what, what will look like a larger balance sheet. I do think investors are going to start to view that balance sheet as a workforce, right? I mean the reason they're spending so much money is to replace essentially, you know, human endeavors with AI. That balance sheet is going to deploy, be deployed and generate returns. So I think over time investors are going to start to view that as a moat. But you're right, we're in a transition period of that narrative.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of the narrative, but not of reality.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Tom, I guess maybe the big arching

[John C. Dvorak]

question, overarching question right now is whether

[Commentator/Analyst]

or not this dip is the sign or beginning of something deeper or whether or not investors should be comfortable just buying.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so this is CNBC. So all of these big AI trades, stocks, the chips, Nvidia, everything is down 8, 9, 10%. So what is the answer from CNBC? Well, we know what the answer is Dom.

[Financial Analyst]

We published a note yesterday looking at the 17 times that the semi index SMH had fallen 6% more in a single day. It'll say may or may not surprise viewers, but these almost always occur in the middle of a bull market that these sharp one day drops are not a sign of a top but are actually rather, rather viable entry points. One month later, 88% of the time the, the semi index is higher with a 12 median gain, meaning your 6% drop is more than recovered within a month.

[John C. Dvorak]

Buy the dip.

[Financial Analyst]

I actually think this is a buy the pullback model.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. Buy it. Buy the dip, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Buy the pullback.

[John C. Dvorak]

Buy the pullback. All right.

[Adam Curry]

By the crash.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not. Buy the crash. We should have stickers by the crash.

[Adam Curry]

A good show title.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that is a good show title. By the crash. So this thing, I mean, we knew it was going to unwind, but it may come sooner than we thought, actually.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is just the foreboding. Yeah. Nobody knows. I mean, that's the thing about it. These things are always kind of surprised. Well, in hindsight, like two years later. Well, yeah, you could see it coming. No, you couldn't. Nobody could.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm an active user of this stuff. There was a great.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're. Of the two of us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I use you Perplexity and I, I draw, you know, I use some of the art tools. I've used Sonos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Search stuff. Search stuff. Suno. Not Sonosuno.

[Adam Curry]

Sonosuno. Sumo.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm an active user of Claude code. And. And I have.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And all you do is complain. People don't realize that after the show, when we do our, our post mortem and figure out what art to use and all the rest, you always have some horrific story about how the thing screwed up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And you're talking to yourself constantly now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

About it. You know how it's gonna do on this.

[Poet/Performer]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yay. Yay.

[John C. Dvorak]

It made.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Made it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It made it.

[Adam Curry]

And you're moaning. You become kind of a psychopath.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's this great video I think I, I post. I reposted it on X and it shows you a guy working with AI, like a coding guy, and he says, okay, cut the sandwich in half. And then the other guy, which is him, has a Subway sandwich. And so the AI guy starts to cut it lengthwise. No, no, no, stop. I said the other way. And then so it tries to cut it on the. You know, it flips it on its side and wants to cut it lengthwise, but right into the, into the meat of the sandwich. No, no, the other way turns it upside down. I mean, it goes on and on and. Because that's exactly what it's like. It is so, so close to reality of what this AI stuff. Not all the time. When it works, it's great, but, man, I don't want it flying my plane. I don't want it operating my oil business. No, it's just been oversold. I mean, there's great stuff. There's great stuff to do with it, but I wouldn't trust it with My taxes. I mean, as long as you don't get an audit, it might be great. You did great this year on your taxes.

[Adam Curry]

Or not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or not. Ye. So what was your clip that you wanted to play?

[Adam Curry]

I have two clips. Now let's start with this. Since you talked about, you know, the dangers, let's play the Tesla kills a woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't we already play this one?

[Adam Curry]

I just got it.

[BBC Reporter]

Oh.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Tonight a woman was killed, two people injured when a Tesla crashed into an outdoor seating area at a restaurant in Simi Valley, California. The Tesla stopped him in a tangle of debris and umbrellas. Police say a 79 year old woman walking on the side the of walk was killed. The cause of the crash is under investigation.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's so many of these stories. Didn't you just do this story?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, now the other one is.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I'll just say this, that's not really AI. I mean this is machine learning. That's been done and you know this.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, your points won't take it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not really an AI story.

[Adam Curry]

No, that, and neither one of these stories is really an AI story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

But this other one, which I, because I didn't even think about this until this woman, this paranoid chick, big mouth girl with a, you know, not unattractive, toothy, goes on and on with this, with this paranoid delusion. But then I started looking at the numbers, I thinking she's right about the basics here. Do you realize that operation in Utah, they're trying to build a big data center.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That Kevin o' Leary is like somehow behind.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. Yeah, this has been going on for a while and there's some left wing group that he says is funded by China. They're the ones behind the protests and.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, yeah, that's what he's. Now Kevin o' Leary is cited in Covert Action magazine as a spook, not as an asset.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, a spook for some other outfit.

[Adam Curry]

No, for the outfit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the outfit. Okay, maybe, maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know one way or the other and I, you know, you could probably. No one's going to tell you because you can't do that legally if he is. But they kind of imply it in the mag and you know, Covert action has been around since 78 and you know, it's just sketchy. But Leary's sketchy. So then this woman chimes in with this. This is the data center paranoia clip.

[CBS Reporter]

Just have to come on here and say this real quick about the data centers. If you think that the government and big tech are building these billion dollar facilities in the middle of nowhere to store your family photos or help you in any capacity. You're okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the whole. This is it. Does she mention Palantir in this clip? She better, because that's what I'm hearing, just playing.

[CBS Reporter]

They're calling them data centers because calling them mass surveillance surveillance centers would probably send people into a spiral. They're literally building the infrastructure for a surveillance state and they're doing it right in front of your face. It's going to be fully capable of monitoring your speech, your behavior, your purchases. It's going to essentially harvest your biometrics and create an entire digital profile for you. People are trying to say that. That something like this would never happen. There's a 92% chance on poly Market that something like this is prohibited. Utah just got approved for a massive data center blueprint. This data center in Utah is going to be 63 square miles. Do you guys know how massive that is? I'm talking almost three times the size of Manhattan and 200 times times the size of the NSA's data center that already exists in Utah. Why does Utah need a 63 square mile data center? And by the way, it's going to be using up double the electricity that Utah uses currently. And honestly, why does the country need anything like that, for that matter? So I'm asking you to just ask yourself if. If this is really for the betterment of society and storing family photos and for you, or is it for mass surveillance?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is a known meme going around across the.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, so I just had to look into the numbers here. Now she's wrong about three times. We're talking twice. This. You've been to Manhattan?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Can you imagine the entire Manhattan Island, a data center? Because I looked into it. Manhattan island is 23,000. Depends. You can get different numbers, but the maximum number you get for acreage is 23,000 acres. That's Manhattan Island. The proposal for the Utah Data center is 40,000 acres.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, great.

[Adam Curry]

That's roughly twice the size of Manhattan. You can't.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

What do you.

[Adam Curry]

How do you build. Put that many computers in the. In the entire city of Manhattan, let alone two Manhattans. How do you. How do you even wire that? I mean, if I was anybody, I'd be buying copper futures. I mean, there's just. It doesn't make any sense in terms of this, the magnitude.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, okay, so a couple things. One, let's just talk about what she's saying and then we'll get to the Magnitude of it. She's saying these data centers. Yeah, there's data centers all over the world that are being built In Canada, the U.K. mexico, the Saudi Arabia. And this is what the hyperscale. This is the AI race as to who's going to be done first with the data center that's going to have all the Nvidia chips in there that is going to run the compute. The compute for all of this stuff that we're going to need for the stuff that clearly doesn't work well enough. And somehow, in the corpus of the lexicon of the citizen, this has turned into. And this is why I'm surprised she didn't mention Palantir. This is the surveillance state, which, darling, the surveillance state is the phone in your pocket. It's already here. The data centers, it's not going to surveil you. It's a data center. You know, somehow they think that a big data center means more surveillance. No, the phone in your pocket is doing all of that for you. And it's going to data brokers sold by Google, Facebook Meta. And you're actively involved in it. So that's. That's what people are saying. And then the Flock cameras. Oh, the Flock cameras. Oh, they got everything.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, by the way, and it's funny, she was doing that, of course.

[Unknown Guest]

On her phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah. No, already I can see the troll room.

[Poet/Performer]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam's gonna say it's not for. No. Data centers do not surveil you. The systems surveil you. And you have that in your pocket. In fact, you're typing on it right now, you idiots. You're typing on it. If you're on Windows, you're on a surveillance system. So you don't need a 63 square mile data center for that. I think O' Leary got over his skis on this one. This is my theory on this. That got over his skis. He's like, holy crap, this thing. Because he's not dumb. This thing's going to come apart at the seams. I have committed to too much compute, too much acreage. And so he's already like, oh, okay, we're going to scale this back. We're going to make it smaller, because these people are making my life difficult. I think he's the first one to see that this is not what he thought it was going to be. This whole thing was a real estate play to begin with. That's why Musk is saying, no, no, we gotta have data centers in space because I can't wait for those on the moon. And everyone's all into it.

[Financial Analyst]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wait until Elon's data centers in space, okay, These are going to be circling around and using the moon to the

[Adam Curry]

South Pole where it's nice and cold.

[John C. Dvorak]

All kinds of places that would be a good place to have. But you're not allowed to go to the South Pole because that's where they have the saucers. So there's a couple of things that are flowing here. And then you have the electricity part and municipalities are seeing this and they're getting mad. You've got the farming part where the farmers like, hey, you're taking away farmland that'll never come back. The whole thing is a bad idea.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in Utah, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And so the smart.

[Adam Curry]

There's no farmland.

[John C. Dvorak]

The smart money. And I'll just say Nvidia, the only company really making money off of this, they're saying, yeah, you know what, just run it on your computer at home. That's the way to go. And that.

[Adam Curry]

But they're selling little computers.

[Poet/Performer]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they've got the DGX Spark and they've got these clones by MSI and they're, you know, the cheapest one is $3,000 now, but that'll come down.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is all fine and dandy what you're saying. And it's. And you're right, and I'm not arguing about the local is where it's all headed. But what is the point of even specking out a data center the size of Manhattan island?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's not called Mr. Wonderful for nothing.

[Adam Curry]

That doesn't answer the question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, because the money was there. The money was flowing.

[Adam Curry]

But what would be the point of

[John C. Dvorak]

it to take 10% of the money before it all goes bankrupt? The whole thing is a giant scam. That's the point of it. There's no need for this. There's no need for it. And I'm telling you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, how do you even get to the point of signing off on a data center? Dude, people bought size of Manhattan Island. John, who signs off on this? How do you scam that money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you not watched cnbc? We literally just had an IPO that made Elon Musk a trillionaire on the promise he's going to put data centers inside space. That's even crazier than a data center the size of Manhattan.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's talk about reality. This is crazy. It's absolutely nuts. Canada, Canada, who normally just frown and look unhappy and they complain they send letters. I don't like this data center. Listen to what's happening in Canada.

[Poet/Performer]

Say no. Say.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

This is becoming a familiar sound of protest in Canada. Large groups of people saying they don't want giant tech companies building enormous data centers near them. It's already a widespread backlash to the growing AI boom and the heavy demands it places on land, electricity and water.

[Poet/Performer]

Save our land.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

This group was in Saskatchewan. But similar protests have erupted in Ontario, British Columbia, Alberta. One study calculates that applications are in the works for more than 90 new data centers. Nonetheless, the federal government recently gave the green light to two new data facilities in Vancouver. The Kearney government says they're important to establishing what it calls digital sovereignty. That means cutting our dependence on other countries, countries, especially the US to develop and store much of our data abroad. Ottawa insists new data infrastructure is necessary for Canadian independence.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it that NO A say no to AI a A Aiah.

[Unknown Guest]

Aia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they're right.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

They're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Simmer down everybody. This stuff is just, just. I've been using it for a year and a half trying to figure it out. I know, we know the chatbots are evil because people are so gullible, but none of this is really working. And then, okay, now we move on to the next technology scam with no evidence whatsoever. Even though I'm a big believer that we've had the technology since at least the 70s, but probably the 80s and 90s, all of a sudden we've had a successful test of a directed energy weapon. Don't show it to anybody, but just trust Pete.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Secretary Hegseth shared that the first milestone test of the Golden Dome for America was a success and that directed energy was harnessed to eliminate incoming threats. So obviously the Pentagon is wanting to buy these to use them against our adversaries. What do you think of the investment in these types of weapons?

[Commentator/Analyst]

It's definitely needed, Katie. Obviously knocking down $2,000 drones, drones with million. $2 million SM2, SM6 missiles or Patriot missiles, just, you know your enemy can bankrupt you. So we have to deploy these lasers. They're on board Navy ships, they're on ground based units now. So the economics are starting to level the battlefield here. These direct energy weapons are pretty high speed. They've been in use for a while, and as Eric said, they are a wide variety. But as you alluded to the Havana Syndrome, these have been used for a while and they can be debilitating. I think the President kind of let it slip that we used some of the stuff during absolute Resolve when we went in there to get Maduro. So these. It's a new level of warfare, but it's definitely leveling the playing field.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Yeah, he let it slip, actually, during our interview with him at the White House, so I'm glad we asked about that. And then he went on to call it Discombobulator.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, if you and I ran Raytheon or Northrop Grumman, don't you think we would have videos all over the place of this stuff for sales?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it depends if it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Egg Seth said, oh, I saw it. I saw it happen. We zapped drones right out of the air. And this, of course, begets more questions about Havana Syndrome. These weapons seem to be in the hands of many factions that are operating without oversight. So this is an absolute threat to domestic America. You know, all enemies, foreign and domestic, we have these factions running around without oversight. So where's personnel? There's personnel that are damaged.

[News Correspondent]

The Department of War lied about this

[John C. Dvorak]

for many years, saying they didn't know what was causing Havana Syndrome. They said they had no idea. Nobody has this technology. Well, guess what? The Department of War this year stated, we possess directed energy weapons and we're scaling them up. Yeah, baby, we're gonna zap your brain. And first we're gonna collect all your data, put it into the big data center so we control you. You people are not thinking logically, John. They're. I mean, I'm seeing it in the troll room right now. Benrose is a smart guy. He's like, they're just going to control us once they have all the data in the data center. Bro, don't put your data in the data center. There's no need for that.

[Adam Curry]

Just keep everything local or use.

[John C. Dvorak]

Use Linux and use a flip.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's another. There's another thing you should do. I agree with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is.

[PBS Reporter]

It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't have to give everything volatility.

[Adam Curry]

My Windows, my old, old version of Windows 10 that can'. Upgraded.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not. That's not too bad.

[Adam Curry]

The most stable machine I have.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, when you had a medical emergency, we couldn't even get into your computer.

[NBC Reporter]

Where.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where, where was this true? Where's the service that can say, oh, don't worry, we've got you covered. Here's. Here's all John's passwords. You can send the email a newsletter

[Adam Curry]

again, yeah, couldn't get in none of this. And that's the way it remains.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this, this is the black pill vibe that we're seeing. Everywhere. Oh, it's just lost. We're just. Hold on. Let me tweet something about how lost we are with all our data. Let me. Let me take a photo and let me put that on the cloud. Tell everyone how lost we are with our data. They're harvesting in the huge data centers. Are people stupid? I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they have to be stupid to even imagine a data center the size of Manhattan Island. And then you say, well, how about twice the size of Manhattan Island? You can't. What are you nuts?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Have you seen the gigafactories that Musk builds? Those things are minuscule by comparison.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, that was just an investor scam.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it has to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it is.

[Adam Curry]

But what. But at what level do people go, wait a minute, it makes no sense. You can't build a building that's the size of a Manhattan island. Look at all the buildings that are on Manhattan. I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I know, I know, but.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's the point of that clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that is a good clip, but you hear it. You hear this everywhere, man. And Palantir is going to control us all in the Flock cameras. The Flock cameras. That's my favorite. Favorite, the Flock camera.

[Adam Curry]

You know, the Flock camera scandal reminds me of what I think it was a number of years ago. You know, they. They pretty much wired up a lot of England, the uk, especially London.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, totally.

[News Correspondent]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And people had said there's. There's. It's overwired. They got cameras everywhere, and no one knows what the hell's going on. It can't be monitored. Or maybe AI can monitor.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI can monitor a lot.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, AI's already had a. We have documented women and men who have been arrested for being here or there, and they weren't there because AI misidentifies AI is no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm pretty sure that Larry Ellison didn't help at all when he. When he. I'll just replay this clip. Now, Oracle, if you want to talk about data harvesting, Oracle definitely is a company to be worried about.

[Poet/Performer]

About.

[Unknown Guest]

They.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are the de facto data. They are data brokers. They are data harvesters. And when he was at the Stargate conference, what happened to that, by the way? What happened to the magic Stargate? Where'd that go? Is that still being built or. That dwarfs in comparison to the. The entire data center on Manhattan island by the guy. The guy on Shark Tank. Here's what he said.

[Larry Ellison]

Then the police will be on their best behavior because we record. We're Constantly recording and recording everything that's going on. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on. And it's, it's unimpeachable. The, the cars, the cars have camera, you know, cameras on them. We have, I think we have a squad car here someplace. But those kind of applications, using AI. We can use AI and we're using AI to monitor, monitor the video. So if that altercation had occurred, that occurred in Memphis, the chief of police would be immediately notified. It's not people that are looking at those cameras, it's AI that's looking at the camera. No, no, no, you can't do this. It would be like a shooting. That's going to be immediately, that's going to be an event. That's immediately an alarm is going to go off. It's going to be. And we're gonna, we're gonna have supervision. In other words, every police officer is going to be supervised at all times.

[Adam Curry]

They are.

[Larry Ellison]

Now the supervision will. And if there's a problem, I will report the problem and report it to the appropriate person, whether it's the sheriff or the chief or whomever. We need to take control of the situation. We have, you know, same thing, we have drones. We just. If there's something going on in a shopping center and I'll stop a drone, goes out there, there, get there way faster than a police car. There's no reason for. By the way, high speed chases. You shouldn't have high, cheap speed chases between cars. You just have a drone follow the car. I mean, it's very, very simple. And then new generation, generation of autonomous drones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay. As Larry, that's what Larry does. I'm selling you the future, baby, and you will love it. Doesn't it sound great?

[Adam Curry]

He's gone off the deep end with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sensei, Sensei, back off the sushi. You're eating bad fish. Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, you have to deal with the following. Here's Johnny from your Jesse Waters show on the Jersey Shore. When he's on the Jersey Shore asking people simple questions about the Independence Day that's coming up. Which is, by the way. Yes, July 4th is on Saturday.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just around the corner.

[Adam Curry]

He's going to ask a few questions about Independence Day on the Jersey Shore. Amongst classic Americans that you run into. There was one person that did answer all the questions correctly. I cut most of that out, of

[John C. Dvorak]

course, because not only is man on the street already skewed, but you can skew the skewed. So good job, good work, Johnny.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Hit the Jersey shore for a good

[Adam Curry]

old fashioned Independence Day quiz.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Why do we celebrate the 4th of July?

[John C. Dvorak]

I honestly couldn't answer that. Well, actually not sure.

[Adam Curry]

Be lit and enjoy life.

[John C. Dvorak]

How old is America turning this year? I have no idea. 58. 58, is it actually?

[Nicole Wallace]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

250.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Where do we declare our independence from?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Explain that a little bit further.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean by where? The United States.

[Commentator/Analyst]

States.

[Adam Curry]

Mozambique.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Africa.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was the name of the war in which we fought for our independence?

[Adam Curry]

Civil War.

[Unknown Guest]

The Civil War?

[Poet/Performer]

Yeah. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, God. I actually don't know.

[Poet/Performer]

The Rev, bro.

[Unknown Guest]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

French and Indian war.

[Adam Curry]

World War II.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Revolutionary War. What was the name of the general

[Commentator/Analyst]

that led us to victory in the Revolutionary War? War.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does it begin with an A? Washington.

[Poet/Performer]

General Lee.

[Adam Curry]

Hitler.

[Commentator/Analyst]

It was not Hitler then.

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea.

[Commentator/Analyst]

What year did we declare our independence?

[Adam Curry]

This is a very wild guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

1920-1786-1776-1654. Democrats, they like to say Donald Trump is a king, but we know we

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

don't have kings in this country because

[Commentator/Analyst]

we kicked a king to the curb.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was his name?

[Poet/Performer]

Oh, my God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Might need some multiple choice here.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

King Tut.

[John C. Dvorak]

Julius Caesar.

[Adam Curry]

King Charles or something. Neptune.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who signed the Declaration of Independence? William Shakespeare.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Lincoln.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don Wick. George Bush.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

King Tut.

[John C. Dvorak]

King Tut was a good one. You'd be surprised how many educated, intelligent people who are friends when they said, oh man, you're going to be over there for the Fourth of July. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. Said, do they celebrate the 4th of July there? 5 people at least have asked me this question.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Do they. Is it's the same thing with.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do they celebrate the 4th of July over there or do they. Same thing with Thanksgiving. Say, no, the better.

[Adam Curry]

The old joke is, do they have a Fourth of July in Holland?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes. Something between the third and the fifth.

[Adam Curry]

The third.

[Larry Ellison]

Yeah. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they usually realize their mistake, like, oh, that's kind of stupid. But it comes so easily to us.

[Financial Analyst]

Us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I mean, I was just going through clips today. I'm like, man, everything is so cynical and negative and downer.

[Adam Curry]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And yes, we got the Fourth of July. We should be happy. I. I remember the bicentennial. I'm old enough to remember 1976. I was in America. We came back on leave from Europe and it was great. I can't remember. I think we were in Rhode island for some reason. And it was fantastic and everyone was happy and fireworks and drill teams drill teams. It was fantastic. That's how I remember it. And I just see just negative, negative almost everywhere except the people on FOX Media.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I don't think it's just generally.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but what do we do?

[Adam Curry]

We deconstruct negative around here and I'm in Berkeley.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but we deconstruct media. So when I'm going through clips, I'm like, oh man, this is all that it is, is just America sucks. We got a king, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was a whole. Jake Tapper just went off on Trump's disclosure. Now I'm pretty sure that World Financial and the Trump meme coin and all that stuff, I'm pretty sure that was all done and wrapped up before he became president. Do you recall?

[Adam Curry]

I do not recall, but I do have the Trump reports crypto earnings CBS clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, let's kick it off with that and then we'll do some analysis from Jake Tapper.

[Commentator/Analyst]

We have breaking news now from the White House where we're learning a lot

[Unknown Guest]

more about President Trump's bank account tonight.

[Commentator/Analyst]

His annual financial disclosure report shows the president made more than a billion dollars last year in cryptocurrency, including hundreds of millions from selling those Trump meme coins. Let's bring in senior White House correspondent Weijia Zhang with more. We should. Good evening, Tony.

[NBC Reporter]

Good evening.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

A few figures jumped out because of how big they are. President Trump's financial disclosure reveals he reported more than $1.4 billion in income from his family's cryptocurrency ventures last year, including 635 million in royalties from those Trump meme coins and more than $500 million from World Liberty Financial Token sales, which is a venture he and his sons co founded. Democratic lawmakers have long criticized Trump for crypto friendly deregulation, accusing the president of gutting safeguards to personally benefit. Although it is not illegal for Trump to invest in private companies. And tonight the White House says there are no conflicts of interest. Also new tonight, President Trump just announced the Republican Party will hold a convention for the midterm elections for the first time ever in Dallas in September. He says it will include a massive rally and entertainment.

[PBS Reporter]

Tony?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so let's just set a couple of things apart here. So World Financial, which is run by the Trump brothers, which they sold to, I think they sold the majority, if not all of it to Qatar car to the Goomba over there, whatever his name is. The Goomba, yes. And that's a stablecoin company. It's completely legitimate business. Coinbase is in it there's tons of companies doing it. Tether Circle. And just to make it simple to understand, it could actually be very good for America because that shifts the, the treasury auctions and the interest rates from the Federal Reserve to the Treasury. So the treasury can say, you know what? And these would all be short term bonds. You want to create $10 million of stablecoin, you have to buy 10 billion or $10 million of treasury. So it's backed by treasury. And already over $30 trillion in stablecoin is being used around the world. It's a great way to expand our currency dominance, which you want. You want the dollar to exist. If you're an American, you want the dollar to continue. And that's a legitimate business. They're very small in comparison to Tether, which is actually owned by our Commerce Secretary or he's the agent for it, which is, what's his face? A smiley guy. A Commerce Secretary?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Not Besant.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, the Commerce Secretary.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I'm trying to think of his name.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's a legitimate business. And the way you make money, and there's a big argument in Congress right now, the way you make money is you buy the Treasuries and there's a pretty good deal right now because you get a guaranteed four and a half percent interest on those Treasuries. And so all you're doing is just creating a digital token for each treasury and you collect the interest. Now the big argument over the Clarity act, which you might have heard about, is can we also offer benefits to people who buy our stablecoin? And the banks are saying no, because then you have to be a bank because banks have deposit insurance. And so that's what the Clarity act is all about.

[Larry Ellison]

About.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the stable coins, legit business. Now the meme coin that Trump did, I tried to do that. I really tried to do that. I had crap partners. We were going to.

[Adam Curry]

You were in Holland doing advertising in Dutch. Yeah, I saw one of these ads.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we were.

[Adam Curry]

You're promoting this coin. What happened?

[John C. Dvorak]

They could. Well, so we were going to an ico, an initial coin offering. That is, that is, that is. There's tens of thousands of them. And what you do is you say, okay, we're going to issue this coin. And this coin can be used to go to concerts, was our deal. Concerts meet artists. You know, if you have X number of coins and the coins have value and they have value because of this. And it's all about marketing. And just as we were doing that, and this is all based on Ethereum. This is a long time ago. The Ethereum price kind of collapsed. And no one really wanted to do ICOs. And these partners were Dutch. That was the first problem. We just couldn't get it off the ground. And then they. And they didn't. Then they didn't want to put any money into it. They never paid half of my bills, you know, so it was. It was a rip.

[Adam Curry]

It was a loser.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a loser. Yeah, but it could have been an instant where, oh, boom.

[Adam Curry]

And you would have been. You could have made a billion dollars.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would not be doing this show.

[Constitutional Lawyer]

I would.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would be sitting on an island somewhere laughing it up.

[Adam Curry]

No, you'd probably be wasting the billion dollars somehow.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I already went through one of those cycles. I'm like, I've learned my lesson on that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what they always say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, maybe. Maybe you would stop.

[Larry Ellison]

And you know what?

[John C. Dvorak]

There's always the podcast. I'll be like, I can always go back to the podcast. And so that's what Bill Gates used

[Adam Curry]

to always say when you catch him. He'd say, in the early days, he'd say, well, if this never. If this Microsoft idea doesn't work out, I can always go back to coding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lutnick, Howard voice. Howard Lutnick. He's the guy. Howard Lutnick, our commerce Secretary. So the meme coin, yeah, it's, you know, it's no better or worse than Elon Musk with Doge. And all of this stuff is, in essence, worthless. Or, you know, it's like a collectible. Collectible Spaceball cards.

[Adam Curry]

Trump has a lot of collectible items. He knows it. Yeah, he does. The Trump you had, the Bible, the watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he made. He made like $8 million on the stupid watch.

[Adam Curry]

It's all going by. Oh, this is corruption at the highest level. I don't think so. I don't think there's anything wrong with the President of the United States. Who is.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Who.

[Adam Curry]

Who likes tchotchkes, which is junk. And people. You know, people have sent me most of the. Most of the collector. I have not. No one. There's two things missing from my collection. Not that I'm asking for these things, although it's gonna sound like it. I don't have a Trump watch, and I don't have an Indiana sweatshirt from their championship.

[John C. Dvorak]

But.

[Adam Curry]

And I was wearing. At the meetup, I was wearing Ohio State State. And I was condemned for not wearing Indiana. And I said this. Cheap bastards from Indiana have. No one's ever sent Me a sweatshirt.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you have a Steve Jobs dollar coin. There's no difference.

[Adam Curry]

But I did get the Steve Jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

The best, the best digital thing I ever did was. It was MTV.com. mTV.com was a great deal for me. And of course I can't divulge it because we settled out of court. No one has any further comments. Comment. But I started my company right after that and I had a good run.

[Adam Curry]

It's funny because John Markoff of the New York Times was on top of the same kind of idea and he got nyt.com oh, really? Yeah, that was his domain.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I have two domain stories.

[Adam Curry]

And he. And they bitched about it. So he just gave it to him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I had elvis.com and for a while I had an email. I had an email address going kinglvis.com and people would send emails. Hey, King, I saw you at the 7 11. I love your music. It would just go on and on and on. And I had that for a long time. And then Priscilla Presley called me and says, hey, you got elvis.com. i said, you can have it. I'm not going to fight you. I'm not going to fight Elvis. You can have it. I gave it to her. Then when we built Budweiser.com for Anheuser Busch, who was my client, Bud.com was owned by some dude in like the Texas backwoods. And he was just.

[Adam Curry]

His name was probably Bud totally.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he was a big fan of Budweiser. And so Budweiser's like, oh man, this guy's gonna, he's gonna jerk us around. It's gonna cost us millions of dollars. So let me talk to him. Let me see what we do can do. Call the guy. He was exactly like that. I'm just a fan. I just love my Bud. It's really good. So. Well, Budweiser would really, really like to use that for their Internet domain. Would you consider parting with it? And he thought, and he said, do you think you could get me a six pack, a long neck signed by August Bush? I think I could do that, sir. I think I could have it hand delivered to you. And that's how they got bud.com back.

[BBC Reporter]

Back.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a Seinfeld episode.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. You know, he was a good old boy. He didn't, he didn't want a lot of money.

[Adam Curry]

He could have gone, I could have picked up a few dollars and cents.

[John C. Dvorak]

I rec. I recommended that they. They fly him in on the jet and give him a tour. But they didn't Go for that. So you should just do that.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, he's not recommended it. You should have said that's what he's demanding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, Well, I was young. Can I say I just given up elvis.com.

[Adam Curry]

yeah, you did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Still have diaries.com. still waiting for that million dollars to come in.

[Adam Curry]

You have diaries.com and nothing's come of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing. Well, got one.

[Adam Curry]

I think you missed the window. The window was early. It's like the guy who had art.com a decade ago.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Longer than that. Art.com. i know this for a fact. Art.com sold for $1 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, broadcast.com bought it. Bought Mark an entire basketball team.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, right. Yep. So the yahoos at Yahoo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen to. Let's listen to. Do you even want to listen to Tapper talk about it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, let's hear a little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's kind of fun.

[Unknown Guest]

Today we are getting a much clearer picture of just how much President Donald Trump and his family have been profiting in many ways. Ways since Trump's return to the White House. We're going to walk you through multiple examples, starting with President Trump's newly released 2025 financial disclosure required by the Ethics in Government act of 1978 that shows his total income for 2025 exceeded $2.2 billion. That is up from $622 million in 2024 before he returned to the White House. This 927 page report is a staggering look at President Trump's growing fortune made while he's president through cryptocurrency holdings, royalty payments, property investments, and much more. Now, Trump's total crypto earnings alone totaled about $1.4 billion during his first year back in office. 1.4.

[Adam Curry]

Stop the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop, clip.

[Adam Curry]

Does he discuss how this hurts the taxpayer or how this involves the taxpayers or how this involves taxpayer money?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. He spent almost 45 minutes on just complaining about it. No, there was no men she brings

[Adam Curry]

on because there is no taxpayer scam here.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, there's not at all. It's impropriety, man. It's just a bad look, man.

[Poet/Performer]

Oh.

[Unknown Guest]

Totaled about $1.4 billion during his first year back in office. 1.2 billion with a billion with a B. And it's important to note President Trump began making cryptocurrency regulations, or the lack thereof.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, this is what they try to do. They, what they're trying to do is saying, well, he made all this money because he's got cryptocurrency regulations. Going. But they already sold out. They already sold out on the stable coin. They, you know, it was 500 million. You know that, that's, that was what they got. Which went into. I think it went into. I don't know if it went to Trump himself personally, but probably into the Trump family money. That was it. But that was before any regulation was

[Unknown Guest]

in a big part of his presidency. Some of the crypto earnings on the financial disclosure include more than $526 million from sales of cryptocurrency tokens tied to World Liberty Financial llc, which is managed.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's factually false. They didn't sell any tokens. They sold a piece or most of the company for that money.

[Unknown Guest]

Part by his sons Eric and Donald Trump Jr. Also, an agreement with Celebration Coins paid Trump $635 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, that's the guys I was supposed to be working with when I tried to do that. Where was Celebration Coins when I was trying to do that? What was the name of that coin? Do you remember what that coin was?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, gosh, I'm racking my butt. I'll think of it.

[Unknown Guest]

This is thought to be behind the Trump meme coin, which has plunged in value since he launched it days before taking office. After Trump and co sold them, they plunged from a high of $74.27 to their current value around $1.70, according to Coinbase.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scam, must be a scam. Must be a scam. Let's talk about the royalties.

[Unknown Guest]

Royalty, then there's more of the deal that Trump struck to lend his name to random products and ventures which lead to huge royalties and licensing fees, such as Trump watches generated $4.7 million in royalties. Don't forget the $208,000 related to a Bible that the President frequently promoted. Plus $67,634 for Trump sneakers and fragrances. What exactly is a Trump fragrance? You don't know? Aside from business ventures, Trump's financial disclosure also includes gifts and his various quote unquote settlements, which social media companies and news organizations whom he sued or threatened to. $8 million from Twitter or X after Elon Musk settled with Trump last February. $16 million each from ABC and from CBS donated to the Donald J. Trump Presidential Library foundation. Of course, $24.5 million from Facebook parent company Meta also donated to the Trump Library. $22 million from YouTube given to the trust for the National Mall. In terms of Trump's actual profit making, it is unprecedented for a sitting president. And it's drawn criticism from opponents and others who say there are multiple conflicts of interest. The White House denies that. And today Trump den downplayed any concerns that he could be profiting off the presidency.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Mr. President, your financial disclosure shows you had a very lucrative year last year. What message does this send to average Americans, especially those who may be struggling right now financially?

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

I don't get involved in my personal.

[Adam Curry]

We have funds that run my money.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

To critics who say you're profiting off the presidency.

[Adam Curry]

Mr. Well, you know why I'm profiting?

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Because the stock market's going up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody's profiting.

[Unknown Guest]

The stock market is not why. He made $22.2 billion last year, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here's the PBS version that will stop this nonsense. Eric, I guess the big question Here

[News Anchor/Reporter]

is if Mr. Trump was not president, could he or would he have made the same amount of money that he did?

[Unknown Guest]

It's hard to imagine that if he were not president, that there would that his meme coin or it would be as profitable as it has been, or that there would have been the scale of investment in World Liberty Financial.

[NBC Reporter]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

What kind of analysis is this? If he was not president, then.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly.

[Adam Curry]

This is like, how much money did you make, Mr. Curry? Well, I made X amount of money. And as a podcaster. Well, what would you have made if you weren't a podcaster? Well, you know, I mean, it's logically stupid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now this, my favorite is. Well, you have a lot of listeners because you were already famous, dude. No, there was no, there was no podcast when we started. Well, when I started podcasting in 2003 and you and I had had to drag this thing out of the swamp for years. Same type of thing.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, Meme coin or it would be as profitable as it has been or that there would have been the scale of investment in World Liberty Financial on the stablecoin. It seems as if his status as president is intimately intertwined with the success of those companies.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on. So what we're doing here, this is a trick. The implication, even though he's not saying it directly, which is a little different than my analysis I just gave this implication, is that this is corruption. This is pay to play. If he wasn't president, then the stablecoin wouldn't exist or the stablecoin wouldn't be successful. Meme Coin.

[Unknown Guest]

Meme coin.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not a stablecoin.

[Adam Curry]

Or the meme coin. If it was, if it wasn't present. The only reason this is, this is basically the analogy to Hunter Biden's art.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

No one would buy Hunter Biden's art if Biden wasn't president.

[John C. Dvorak]

True.

[Adam Curry]

That's not the same thing as this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, we'll continue.

[Unknown Guest]

Is like, intimately intertwined with the success of those companies. And I mean, the fact that he launched the meme coin as they were gathering at a.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

One more thing. With Hunter Biden's art, I'm giving Hunter Biden a quarter of a million dollars to get favor with somebody. I'm not buying a $10 meme coin. So Trump will do me a favor. There's no quid pro quo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you do get to go to a special dinner.

[Adam Curry]

There's a special dinner for everyone who bought a meme coin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. He does these dinners.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I should have bought one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Trump's gonna be there, and they don't have to pay for the dinner. It's a free meal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, a lot of these people paid a lot of money to get their meme coins. I guess so, yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Three days before his inauguration for what was called the crypto ball, it was a bunch of crypto executives and administration, you know, soon to be administration officials there to celebrate his inauguration. And that's the night he launched. And it was like, follow me as I lead the world. These things are so intertwined. I think it's hard to imagine he would have made as much money. He's never made this much money in his entire life as he's made in this one year. So I think that's part of your answer right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there you go. That's it. That's part of your answer. That's pbs, man.

[Adam Curry]

We don't know this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Because his taxes have never been released. How do we know that this is the most he's ever made?

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't.

[Adam Curry]

Well, then why did they say that? They stated it as fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what I'm saying. Everything sucks. All the news is this. Yes,

[Adam Curry]

there was. This was an interview. So there must have been pushback by the reporter saying no. Well, how do we know that this is the most he's ever made? He's never released his taxes.

[John C. Dvorak]

At least Ms. Now is honest about it. And they just, they just come out and say, hey, we're doing all of this because of the midterms. That's all that we're doing it about. It's for the midterms. It's 2028 and we're going to blanket the airwaves with all of this stuff non stop until you vote Democrat. No, 20 the midterms for 2026, but 2028 for the next president. And we're going to blanket the airwaves until you vote Democrat, you stupid people.

[News Correspondent]

In many ways, though, our story in America has been our ability to overcome adversity. This isn't the first time our nation has faced adversity. But what we've done in every chapter of our American story is, despite the challenges, we've ended that chapter on a more adversity.

[John C. Dvorak]

What.

[Adam Curry]

What adversity are we in?

[Unknown Guest]

Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's just an adversity. He's the adversity president.

[News Correspondent]

No. With more freedom, more opportunity. More justice. Justice. More equity. I know it doesn't feel that way right now, but we are in the midst of writing that chapter, and it will be up to the American people. Less people with titles next to their name, more ordinary Americans. Doing what Franklin said to that woman outside Independence hall that Meacham referenced. Defending our republic. Keeping our republic. The work falls to all of us. That's why women. We need a national referendum this November on Donald Trump's chaos and cruelty and corruption. We need people to rise up and vote and be.

[Poet/Performer]

No, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the three. It's the trifecta. Chaos, cruelty, and corruption is. And I'm a sucker for alliteration. They nailed it on this one. I know what the C is today.

[News Correspondent]

End them this November on Donald Trump's chaos and cruelty and corruption. We need people to rise up and vote and be a check on this. Begin to see our way out of this darkness toward more light.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

At least they're honest about it. This is what I love. They're honest about it. They're honest. There's two more from this. This is so good. Oops, sorry.

[News Correspondent]

This one. I mean, it is as clear as day in the 14th amendment. This case should have taken.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is regarding the 14th amendment, but it's all about Trump.

[News Correspondent]

A nanosecond to decide, and it should have been nine. Nothing. I. I gather some of the justices were intimidated by Donald Trump sitting there in the court, staring at them, glaring at them during that session. And then J.D. vance comes along and says the quiet part out loud. It's one of the reasons why we have to win the United States Senate and not let them appoint a justice, should there be a vacancy, who would be younger, who would be there for a long time and be more dangerous when it comes to eviscerating the rights of Americans. So, bottom line here is we need real reform in this country. It's got to be People centered and people powered. People power come as a result of people rising up, showing up at the ballot box, demanding more from mail in ballots, their elected officials, and ushering in a new chapter in this country, one that gets us back to our roots of being more hopeful, more inclusive and more just.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, this is, this is the point. Do you feel down with all the messaging we're throwing in your face? Just vote Democrat and everything will be more hopeful. And this is the kicker, the last one in this series.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Ty, I want to ask you something of a personal question. I mean, you represented Donald Trump. You worked closely with him. Now you're a pretty vocal critic, very

[John C. Dvorak]

vocal critic, critic of him. What do you think of the lawyers who signed on to work with him during this administration?

[Constitutional Lawyer]

So I think it's very important that even the worst presidents have the best assistance. So I think lawyers who go to work for this administration, if they can go in with the determination to honor their oath, which is to serve the Constitution and American citizens, not an individual, and if they actually do that, they're performing an enormous public service. I think what we see, however, is we've seen a lot of people who have abandoned their oaths. Take Todd Blanche as Exhibit A or Pam Bondi as Exhibit A1. Pam Bondi had a session in the Great hall of justice where, you know, she declared the fealty of herself and the entire department to one man. To Donald Trump. Not to the country, not to the Constitution, to one man. And you've seen Todd Blanche try to facilitate a $1.8 billion slush fund, taking the money from the taxpayers that unjustifiably was given to Trump in a, quote, settlement of a dispute that wasn't really even a legal dispute. We've seen people just do things that, that are unconscionable and unprecedented in American history and at a scale that the country is now being numb to. You know,

[John C. Dvorak]

the kicker's coming here. Listen.

[Constitutional Lawyer]

Now, being numb to, you know, I've seen comparisons of Hunter Biden to the Trump family. You know, that's, that's like, you know, that's like comparing a jaywalker to Jeffrey Dahmer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, there we go.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't worth the effort.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, only because you got bored of it. I can't help but the guy's long winded.

[Adam Curry]

Do you remember I have four clips I want to play before we go out. This is what I'm seeing, the time constraints here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, it's because we're having a good time.

[Adam Curry]

We're having a great Time. Too bad we can't do anything about that. We got at least mention the heat deaths in the eu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

And because you're in the EU and I wanted to make sure we got to this clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I will give you a boots on the ground report after the clip.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

In Europe, there's a perfect storm. The oldest population on any continent that's warming the fastest. France's record heat last week is linked to roughly 1,000 deaths of mostly elderly.

[PBS Reporter]

Of all climate related impacts and hazards,

[John C. Dvorak]

heat is the biggest killer.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

European officials are calling for change, but not the kind that may seem odd. Install air conditioning, especially for vulnerable people and save lives. Why is that not a solution in Europe?

[PBS Reporter]

My honest response is I don't think that should be the solution anywhere. In the longer term, what happens is installing more air conditioning actually emits more heat into our environment, so it will actually increase the speed of warming.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

It's also more expensive. Energy prices are much higher in Europe. Governments find other ways to cool historic and densely populated cities. In Rome, wearable technology is distributed to monitor the elderly who are by far in the most danger. A recent survey in France said one in six people they surveyed said they'd rather suffer for the sake of the environment. Does that surprise you?

[News Correspondent]

No.

[PBS Reporter]

We're not doing this for us, we're

[John C. Dvorak]

doing this for the future generations.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Leak and I received CBS News London.

[John C. Dvorak]

I heard, I have no evidence, but I read and I heard that in the UK they were going around saying, you got to take that air conditioner out of your window. We're going to arrest you.

[Adam Curry]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[John C. Dvorak]

It kind of wouldn't surprise me either.

[Adam Curry]

But yeah, supposedly, according to some reports, they're doing that all over the place because they're just trying to kill people. That's what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I asked Christina before we came over, then I sent her a link to one of these stories and I said, because she finally, because she's 38 weeks pregnant, it was 100 degrees, they had no air conditioner, flat roof above the bedroom, so they were sleeping downstairs and they got a portable unit. She's like, oh, so nice. And I sent her this link. I said, I hope the climate crazies don't do this in Holland. She says this is now she's a woman of the people. I think Dutch people would revolt against that. Everybody's tired of everything and all the climate bullshit, so maybe. But they still don't have their bikes back, so I'm not sure that they would really Revolt about. It was a nice 73 degrees and raining when we got here today.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's perfect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's very nice. And the rain was only brief. Cooled everything down. Everybody's happy that everyone's outside on the terraces having a good time. What's your second clip?

[Adam Curry]

Secret event. Tell me what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Secret event. Oh, I know exactly what this is. This is the Darren o' Neil has been invited to be the emcee of the Taylor Swift wedding at Madison Square Garden. Did I get it?

[Adam Curry]

The clip.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Newark Police Commissioner, Newark Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch indicating that something big was about to happen at the world's most famous arena.

[John C. Dvorak]

In a briefing about major events happening

[News Anchor/Reporter]

this weekend in New York City, I would be remiss not to mention an event that we are tracking at Madison Square Garden on Friday night. The NYPD will, of course, have a

[John C. Dvorak]

detail in place, but I am not

[News Anchor/Reporter]

going to go into more specifics on that at this time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course.

[Adam Curry]

Do it on the 4th of July weekend with the biggest celebration for 250.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are they really going to do it on this weekend?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's supposed to be like tomorrow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, that idiots.

[Adam Curry]

Two more clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I have one climate change clip for Europe if I can sneak that one in.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[Commentator/Analyst]

The last 11 years are the hottest on record. We know the ocean is getting warmer. The earth's surface.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is pbs, of course.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Crisp. Temperature is rising. Europe is experiencing unprecedented heat right now. What's the impact of climate change on all of this?

[Financial Analyst]

You know, climate change underlies all of this, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

All of it.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Right.

[Financial Analyst]

Air temperatures are about 3 degrees Fahrenheit, warmer than they were just a little over a hundred years ago. So if you picture it like a building, if your foundation of the building is, let's say, three feet higher, well, then your building's going to be three feet higher.

[Adam Curry]

So distance, this is. Wait, distance. And it's got something to do with. Yeah, with the temperature.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And apparently it was 97 degrees in Europe 100 years ago. Sorry, it's. This is a cycle, man.

[Financial Analyst]

Years ago. So if you picture it like a building, if your foundation of the building is, let's say, three feet higher, well, then your building's going to be three feet higher. So.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[Poet/Performer]

What?

[Financial Analyst]

Climate change is making all heat domes, every heat wave more intense, Longer, less.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I looked it up, you know, when we started talking about heat domes on this show

[Adam Curry]

at least 15 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not quite 12 years ago. And it was just. It was a heat dome. We weren't too Crazy about climate change at the time, time. But now all of a sudden, heat domes are because of climate change. Let's forget El Nino, the super El Nino. Let's forget the jet streams. Let's forget all about that. It's climate change.

[Financial Analyst]

Heat domes, every heat wave, more intense, longer lasting and also larger in scope. And what we're seeing is unprecedented type heat. In fact, the heat wave in Europe that played out over the past week or so. There was a study that was done by World Weather Attribution. They found that the heat dome was likely about 6 degrees Fahrenheit, hotter than it otherwise would have been just 50 years ago. And 50 years ago, it would have been virtually impossible without climate change.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I have a study.

[Financial Analyst]

So that's the impact on the European heat wave. There's going to be another one shaping up as we head into the weekend and next week for the eastern U.S. again, not an unprecedented heat wave, but climate change is certainly making it hotter than it would have otherwise due to climate change.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, that's the one thing.

[Adam Curry]

These people should be arrested.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the one thing I'm so. I'm happy about our President. At least he did that for us. He just called it out and stopped all the, all the funding of it. He did.

[Adam Curry]

Slowed it down.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think he changed people's minds. I think he really did.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's hope so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think so.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, now here's one more that has to do with. We've been kind of talking about this on and off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Off.

[Adam Curry]

This is the latest iteration of let's get some new gear. This is the drone hitting the airliner. You heard this one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Tonight, the FAA is investigating a potential drone strike over New York. JetBlue Flight 948 from Las Vegas was on final approach to New York's JFK airport early this morning when pilots reported a close encounter with an apparent drone at 3,000ft.

[Adam Curry]

We collided with a drone back there. You said you collided?

[Poet/Performer]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

It hit us right above the cockpit.

[Commentator/Analyst]

The Airbus A321 landed without incident. JetBlue says a post flight inspection found no signs of damage or any indication of a collision. The FAA is also investigating another drone incident at nearby Newark airport Friday. A United Airlines 737 reported it was nearly hit by a drone while descending with 111 on.

[Adam Curry]

And we almost hit a drone right there at gimme. United 1513 about 100ft below us. United 1513, did you get a look at it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was, it was like circular shape and that Was about.

[Adam Curry]

It looked like it was about 3ft wide.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Drones are not supposed to fly near airports or above 400ft. But the FAA receives more than 100 reports a month of drones operating around airports. Tony, that's more than three every day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. Yeah. Remember when we had all those drones from an Iranian mothership in New Jersey?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, what about that one?

[John C. Dvorak]

It got a lot of play. That was good. Those were good times. Amen. This is real, man. This is Iran. Oh, wasn't it aliens?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's supposed to be alien.

[John C. Dvorak]

Social media has ruined the world. It has ruined the world. Has ruined the world.

[Adam Curry]

So has Ozempic. And my last clip will be this one. There's always something with Ozempic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's a couple of things with Ozempic these days.

[PBS Reporter]

The craziest shit I heard today at the salon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait, Sorry.

[Adam Curry]

I was going to ask you, have you heard of Ozempic vagina?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. But I might want some.

[PBS Reporter]

The craziest shit I heard today at the salon comes from a friend client in the medical sales community. According to plastic surgeons in the south, the highest growing procedure is to correct Ozempic vagina. So if the symptoms of Ozempic weren't bad enough, now there is enough deterioration of the connective tissue that it is causing the vagina, parts of the vagina to deteriorate and fall out of the body. So it's still attached. But. But the procedure, as far as we could tell, corrects that and lifts it back into the body. So if the other. If hair loss wasn't bad enough, if all the other side effects weren't bad enough for the 1% of people who actually need to be on Ozempic, not like the general public that's just taking it as a recreational option. This. This seems like the one to watch for.

[Poet/Performer]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's now on Medicare. 50 bucks a month, you too can get OVAG. That's right everybody. But it's okay, you won't be able to see it from your rotting eye disease. So it's all good. It's all good. And only one man could bring that to you. That story, ladies and gentlemen. It is the man who put the sea in chaos, cruelty and cross corruption. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Boost on the ground, Feet in the air, Subs in the water. All the names tonight in the morning

[John C. Dvorak]

to the trolls in the troll room.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Let me count you for a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Let's see 1292. That's your 4th of July weekend right there. 1292. Okay. Those trolls are of course listening at to noagendastream.com or perhaps they are using one of those beautiful modern podcast apps. Well worth using one of those because you'll get alerted when we go live, even when we're transatlantic. And it's amazing that we're able to do this show this way. Transatlantic communications.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's amazing.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's amazing any of it works really. I'm on a hotel WI fi, I got a pillow against the wall. It's fantastic. So when we go live, your modern podcast app will alert you and let you know that it's time to tap that button. Button and you'll be listening live. Or if you can't, then within 90 seconds of US publishing, you will receive notification and the podcast will be on your modern podcast app. Go to podcastapps.com a value for value show. And we are so proud to be value for value so we don't have to deal with telling people to smash the like button and subscribe and hit the bell and all of that stuff. You know Mr. Bay, you know Mr. Beast, right?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Mr. Beast. And they get like 100 million views of each of their videos, but while the video is out, they're A, B and C testing different images. They're actually editing on the fly. Hey, people are dropping off at this moment. Let's re edit it. Let's change this. And they've gotten to the point where all they pretty much do is give away money.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

Money.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, you know, you watch, you can win $250,000, but he makes 5 million. What a great business. I mean, it's content. I guess. It's a great business.

[Adam Curry]

Before you continue, can you do me a favor?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Forward the spreadsheet. Spreadsheet to my Gmail account.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, hold on a second. Well, this is a tricky operation. Okay, hold on. I actually killed my email client. Okay, here we go. I can forward this. Did you not receive it today?

[Adam Curry]

No, I have an IMAP issue with my email server.

[John C. Dvorak]

An IMAP issue?

[Adam Curry]

The one I went to. Just retrieve it. It just. I can't get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

An IMAP issue. Well, this is not. Oh, your Gmail. I'm sorry, hold on. You just get no spam because you get no email.

[Unknown Guest]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't know if I have. Is it just. I don't know if this is your.

[Adam Curry]

Don't say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, I don't know if this is it. Let me see if it gets rejected.

[Poet/Performer]

Let me say.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it looks like. It looks like it went. I could always do it in a browser, I guess, on my Gmail. You get it

[Nicole Wallace]

Come in.

[Adam Curry]

Curiously.

[Larry Ellison]

Did it.

[Adam Curry]

I got. I did get it from Jay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, so you got it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I. I think. Let me see if I can download it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, while. While you look for that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm doing all the work.

[Larry Ellison]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Tons of work there. While you're doing all that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I gotta click on this. I gotta click on that. I gotta.

[Unknown Guest]

I was gonna.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to tell everybody about value for value, the new international lifestyle that we have been living on for. For almost 19 years, where we don't make you jump through hoops or pay up front or have to listen to mediocre content because you pay for the bonus content or the good stuff. And we just give it all to you twice a week, all of it right there. All you have to do is to keep it going. If you like the show, if you get value out of it. Ooh, there it is. Send us some value back. How come you never pitch the value for value? Why is it always me one? I want to hear your value for value pitch.

[Financial Analyst]

Pitch.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, I'm trying to get this thing up.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what she said. Okay. Did you get it up? Is it up?

[Adam Curry]

No, otherwise I'd be pitching value for value.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so. Well, I can. Stop tape.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there we go. There we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you got it. All right. Good, good. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

All right. Good to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Okay, so tell us about value for value, John.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the idea is simple. We're producing this show. It's three hours, six hours a week total. And it has information that you can use for all kinds of purposes. And it also calms you down. I think it helps people make wise decisions. It keeps them on the straight and narrow. And we don't charge anything for them. But we do expect that maybe if they get some sort of a benefit. A benefit, Any sort of benefit, maybe for their health, it may be for their relationships, it may be some information that they needed to make a good investment. Who knows, they could give us some income to keep. To support this effort, because we can't get the income any other way. We can't get the income by going to advertisers, since we could. But then the show would suck and it wouldn't have any good information. There's things we couldn't sell. Say you couldn't. You can't make an assertion about one thing or another like. Well, like How? We lost the Interactive brokers account over there at PH Unplugged.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that because you gave bad information?

[Poet/Performer]

How did you.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's because somebody. Somebody on the show made it offhanded comment about. About prop bets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? And they got mad. And then Interactive Brokers.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, somebody wrote a nasty note and, you know, you shouldn't have said dent. And the next thing you know, we don't have a sponsor anymore. This is what would happen to this show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

If we didn't get people to pony up. Okay, so just think about the results. You won't have the show. You have a piece of crap show like every other podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's look at an example. So if the big advertiser, the biggest advertiser these days is better health from the wellness company, and we be ragging on all kinds of stuff that you like. We just did a glp. One will give you Ovadge. Do you think that the companies that sell that stuff would want to advertise with us?

[Poet/Performer]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you heard. Have you heard a podcast talk about Ovadge anywhere?

[NBC Reporter]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why not?

[Adam Curry]

And you won't hear it on the mainstream media because they've sold out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So that right there is a health tip of epic proportion. Well, especially if you're a guy.

[Adam Curry]

I mean. Yeah. You know what? If you're a guy, you're really in trouble.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can support us multiple ways. You can set up a meetup. We love the boots on the ground. These are extremely valuable to the show. We also need money. So we have time, talent, and treasure. And we have found that throughout the ages. It's great. When we have a different piece of artwork. Then I'm a little surprised that after this fine piece for episode 1881, we titled that the Cow Cartel. This was a piece by Jeffrey Ria, and it was the Noah Jenkins and mahjong tiles. And it was an interesting piece because, you know, a lot of these mahjong tiles didn't really have official mahjong tile shapes. But I still. I've gotten, again, only tons of emails from people saying, oh, yeah, Mah Jong tiles. This is great. People pay hundreds of dollars for mah Jong tiles. Why don't we have no agenda Mah Jong tiles?

[Adam Curry]

Because the people that play mah Jongg are old women who don't listen to the show. We'll sell no Mah Jongg tiles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, there's your meeting. That's literally how we run the company. We appreciate. We appreciate you, Jeffrey.

[Adam Curry]

This is true. This is true. And by the way, I'm not the only one who shouts at the other guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. When have I. When did I last shout at you? I don't shout at you. Ever shout at you?

[Adam Curry]

At the beginning of the show you said I should be dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, but I did shout at you when you had a, like a bypass. I'm like, what are you doing? You're ruining the show. Yes, of course I should. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So Marty, our joke writer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Uh huh. Your joke writer. Let's get this straight. Your joke writer?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, one of my joke writers.

[John C. Dvorak]

1. Oh, you have a whole stable of them. And you have a couple to say about my robot. You've got joke writers. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but they're humans.

[John C. Dvorak]

I come with my, my own material.

[Adam Curry]

So Marty went and had open heart surgery.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he just went and had that. Like, like he had a top.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he gets a lot of operations, but he had and I had. He sent a note in. I should like to read it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, I'd love to hear that. Is he okay? Let's just get straight.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he made it through. It was last Friday and he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did he have? Single, double, triple, quadruple?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it wasn't a bypass. It was a valve replacement or some damn thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, overhaul. Okay. Valve replacement.

[Adam Curry]

Now he's out of the of trouble and he's mad because of the service he gets at the hospital.

[Poet/Performer]

He doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

He didn't get good service. Oh, he's alive, isn't he? Was that not good service?

[Adam Curry]

Well, here we go. Let me read this. Sorry about being switched to the general ward. I did two days ago, or a day and a half in ICU and then sent to the general ward, which was a giant step downward in every way. After two days of that shit, I said get me the F out of here. There's nothing they were doing there that I couldn't do at home. And the general attitude was miserable among the underpaid staff who are mostly pigeon, English, English speaking Africans doing the jobs of nurses that nurses used to do. And the nurses that seem to be a vanishing breed spent most of their time on their phones giggling with friends. There's an enormous article in this for you, John. Especially in Boston, where the idea of flooding low paid jobs to semi literate Africans, not black Americans, not African Americans, Africans, has taken hold. I give general medicine, especially in hospital hospitals. And no more than a couple of years before, they would become clinics run by physicians, assistants, but that's already happening. Wow. Love to talk to you by phone. Thank you for both. Now, I ran into this. There was a number of Africans that you run into. Now, there was a lot of Filipino women, especially in the Bay Area, that were doing most of this work, but there were literally Africans who could barely speak English. English. And. And they didn't seem competent at anything. And they were in the hospital, you know, doing this and that.

[John C. Dvorak]

What. What is this and that?

[Adam Curry]

They would. That's what I'd like to know. They come in, bumble in, and they do something. They wouldn't get anything accomplished. Somebody else would replace them and do what they were supposed to do. There's something fishy going on with all these Africas. A lot of, you know, Somalis, for example, they're all over the place, and

[John C. Dvorak]

they're eating the dogs.

[Adam Curry]

They're eating. Well, some. No, that's the Haitians.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't run into any of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. The Somalis are ripping off Medicare right there in the hospital.

[Adam Curry]

All I know is that his complaint is legit.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I believe it. You don't want to go to the hospital?

[Adam Curry]

No, you don't want to go to the hospital.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no fear.

[Unknown Guest]

Fun.

[Adam Curry]

So I. Somebody out there can send a note in. Why. Where do. Where do all these Africans come from? From Africa. When there's people in America that need work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, you know what they'll say? Well, Americans don't want to work, maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm with you. Okay. Well, I'm glad Marty's okay. Has he gotten funnier since the operation by the.

[Adam Curry]

On basis of this note?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, let's. As. As we near the. The fourth of July, the celebration of our great country, we have been asking for the 250 donation, which I think you can also do a 25. Do we do a 25 as well for the 50 or is only 250?

[Adam Curry]

I probably should do one for the next show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, we should read them, too, if they want to. If they want us to. They have a note. You're 25. It would be nice.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I put a Canadian Canada Day thing in.

[John C. Dvorak]

No response.

[Adam Curry]

Got. Not one response.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

From any Canadian who, like years ago, they'd say, well, thanks for recognizing some things, you know. No, I put, you know. No, not one Canadian cares.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's look at the artwork. We had Jeffrey Ria. And we. Thank you, Jeffrey. There was some odd ones, of course. Darren o' Neill with a boobs and a mahjong tile. We had the comic Sir Blogger did have an interesting piece that we'd never use. It was a mahjong tile in his signature butt, which is kind of an. But no, I'm not going to use it. But it was interesting. And then there's heads like Marjorie Taylor Greene. Or is it Megyn Kelly? I don't know. And Tucker Carlson. No, we're not going to use that. We're not going to show Fauci behind bars or John Bolton behind bars. No. And then the blue acorn stole an idea from someone with the Statue of Liberty pointing.

[Adam Curry]

That's from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Caitlyn, that Caitlin.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not. Caitlin is Cunningham.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cunningham, yes. That's who it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. She's getting all the attention.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Caitlin must be mad. So, you know, I see some different models being used. That's interesting. But no, the most artistic was Jeffrey. Ria, you even, you even thought it was. I think you said that's interesting. Didn't you say that? That's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

I like the piece a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So good.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was artistic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, artistic. Noagendaartgenerator.com that's where you can upload. It's free to upload, free to play. And we give you credit where credit is due and we critique where critique is necessary as well. Now to the treasure portion of our time. Talents and treasure for the international lifestyle of value for value. This is all donations. We thank everybody. $50 and above, never under 50 for reasons of anonymity and what's wrong?

[Adam Curry]

I'm trying to get to the site to the right page.

[Unknown Guest]

Clicking here, Clicking here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you're clicking now you can go to noagendadonations.com and send in any amount you want at any time. Whatever the value is that you got out of the show, you can put it back in. And that value is different from everybody. That's what's so great about it. So if $25 is a lot for you, and I think everybody should be able to donate at least $25 once in the lifetime of listening to the show.

[Financial Analyst]

Show.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's fantastic. A lot of people can send $250 or $200 and we'd like to do something special. A lot of people save up for it, too. $200 or more. Not only will we guarantee to be reading your note, but we will also give you a Hollywood credit of associate executive producer where you can use anywhere that Hollywood Credits are recognized, including IMDb.com $300 or more and you will become an executive producer. Same deal. We read Your notes. And right off the bat, we have $1,000 from Sir Donald of the Fought. Of the fire bottles from Spokane Valley, Washington. And he says, and this is a question, gentlemen, I'm hoping I'm not too late to attain Red Knight status. Cheers. Sir Donald of the fire bottles. I thought we were out.

[Adam Curry]

We had to because of the buffer. We do have one left.

[John C. Dvorak]

You had a buffer?

[Adam Curry]

For him. For him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where's the guy with the rubble? On Advisor?

[Adam Curry]

It's supposed to come in on the seventh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. What? So he. Wait a minute. So he could. He could reserve that in advance?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if it doesn't come in, we release three. Three rings.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Or three pins.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, thank you, Sir Donald. So you're. You're good to go. You're in. You're in. You're in the pocket, brother. You're good.

[Larry Ellison]

Good.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, next we have Sir Kretchman in Richmond, Indiana, and he wrote a note which is right here, actually. I have the note. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

You.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have the note. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I can make noise with it in the morning, Gents In. The picture of John holding the stuffed heart pillow reminds me of my father's cardiac surgery 25 years ago. He was sitting in the waiting room while my grandmother was seeing a cardiologist. Bored, he picked up a brochure about the signs and symptoms of cardiac disease. Realizing he had all of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

While in the office, he decided to see a cardiologist himself. A quadruple bypass later. Wow. He's still enjoying life. John, I'm happy to see you escape the clutches of Father Time. I bumped up my donation in honor of my father, so he came with 444.44.

[Unknown Guest]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

Dan Kretschman. He loves the show, but he can't figure out how to use the podcast app.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's. We tried to make that pretty easy.

[BBC Reporter]

Show him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, have him call me. I'll show.

[Adam Curry]

No, not you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll do a zoom.

[Adam Curry]

Call Jason.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll do a zoom. We should do an instruction.

[Adam Curry]

Just show him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Help him out. Jason.

[Adam Curry]

Adam, I have returned to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. It's been nice hearing you speak of him. I treasure both of you trying to make some sense of the world and current events. But I'm now thoroughly convinced only one man knows the Apollo program broke through the firmament, who shot jfk, and how a terrorist passport was found intact in the rubble of 9 11.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think Jesus is the only one who knows that Is that what he's saying here?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what he's saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that's what he's saying.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe he knows. Lastly, thank you to every podcast listener or no agenda. Listen listener. Who donates their time, talent, and treasure to the best podcast in universe. You are valued by this humble listener. Four more years. Can I get massive dumps? Shut up. It's science and a goat Karma Jingle. Jason Kretschman of the White. Sir Jason Sir Kretchman of the Whitewater Valley. They did dumps.

[John C. Dvorak]

They call them dumps.

[Adam Curry]

Big, massive dumps.

[John C. Dvorak]

But anyway, that was just my little.

[News Correspondent]

Oh, wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. That's not the right. We haven't done this. Dr. King Kiki and. Huh? I'm sorry. Well, what if it's worth it?

[News Correspondent]

What is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up already.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, it's science.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's gone. This is lame. Shut up, science. Don't tell me this is gone. Ah. Where's Dr. Kiki? Ah, hold on. I have science. What has science done for you lately? What is worth it?

[Unknown Guest]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I click this one and it's the wrong one. But anyway, that. I see. That's the wrong one. Well, this is a problem. What is this one probably under.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it. I know it has Dr. Kiki in the. In the. In the title.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, maybe just Kiki.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I have Kiki. All right. Shut up science. Let's see. Shut up science. No.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're gonna have to bump it.

[News Correspondent]

I'm.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm very upset by this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you should be. You're generally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Organized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is. This is what makes me not nuts, because I have this one. What has science done for you lately? Right. And then I have. This is Dr. Kiki Science. But anyway, that was just my little. Shut up already.

[Commentator/Analyst]

It's just.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is science. Okay. There you go. I only have a piece of it. Something's very wrong here. I'm gonna have to look into that. Here's your goat Karma, though I know where to find that. Every single time.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry about that. Gotta work on that one. Michael. No, I'm sorry. Manuka Gold. Manuka Gold continues their streak of $333.33. And we appreciate them supporting the show. ITM everyone. We still offer 20% off. 20% off exclusively to no Agenda [e-mail]. and we thought Code Freedom was a good choice for July.

[Unknown Guest]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Hope everybody has a safe and fun time celebrating the big 250. They took my criticism of their copy to heart. John.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I saw. I see this attenuated note.

[John C. Dvorak]

We appreciate Manuka Gold.

[Adam Curry]

The meeting went like this. Did you hear what that curry I said about us? Yeah. We're going to have to stop sending them this because this is ridiculous. Well, we have to send it one more time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unlike interactive brokers though, they didn't quite quit. Didn't rage quit on us. Do they do prop bets? Is that what's going on this interactive broker?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they got some prop bets. Just something similar. Similar enough and somebody not quite as bad as what is the worst one. Can't remember their name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kel Kelshi.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's. There's one I can't remember the name. People know what it is. Is Michael Taster's up. He's in Urbandale, Iowa. He came in now. We don't have very few executive producers today. Only three. So we're in associates here. 257.94.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that's 250 plus fees. Yes, probably.

[Adam Curry]

Here's my semi semi sequinseni. Quarter millennium or forget it. My American 250 donation. This would be my second 250 donation. My first was back in in the 1776 show. Last. Ah yes, America Bulldog karma, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got.

[Nicole Wallace]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's Richard Adams from Orem, Utah with a freedom donation. America 250 donation plus fees. 250. He says a 250th anniversary only comes along once in a lifetime. I'd feel unpatriotic if I didn't do anything for America.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

250.

[John C. Dvorak]

I feel better now. Thanks, Adam and John. Well, thank you.

[Adam Curry]

We continue with Sir Johnny B in Brockport, New York. 257.94. This is Sir Johnny B congratulating America on 250 years of striving to be the best and most most of the time hitting the mark. Please check out Sir Johnny B and the Robot on Apple Music. That's J, O N N Y B, Spotify, Amazon, YouTube or any other music platform. Johnny B and the Robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he sent me a link and he said, hey, I'm gonna send a donation. Could you listen to the music? And I did. And I'm conflicted about it.

[Adam Curry]

Is he no good?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good. Well, first of all. So the one, the song he sent me a link to is a song about Romans 1, 2 and 3. So it's like a gospel. Yeah, it's a gospel worship music but it's almost metal. It's very heavy. Which I kind of like that. But you know, I'm just like, like all music. If you're really. If you're gonna be serious about music, it's just like, ah, is it. Is it really music? Cause he clearly.

[Adam Curry]

You think this is all.

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

It's A.I.

[John C. Dvorak]

well, no, it's A.I. because he does a lot of our end of show mix. So he's an AI guy. Johnny B. And Sir Johnny B. And the robot. And so, you know, anyway, he's going to try and do value for value for it. So I promote that. Go listen to it. Let me know what you think. It's good. But I'm just like, is it human? Is it robot? Is it. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how to feel about it. I'll send you a link. I'd like to know what you think about it. There you go. R. Davis 87, from parts unknown. $250 and he says itm to my brother Crackp and uncle Buzzkill, aka John and Adam. In honor of the 250th trip around the sun of our great country, I would like to offer the small token of my appreciation and I humbly ask for your de douching.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

You've been de douched as I return

[John C. Dvorak]

a small portion of value you have provided to me. Thank you for your courage. Courage. R. Davis 87, protector of the northern Mohawk Valley and southern Adirondacks. And he would like John's All Aboard sound effect and goatscream Karma.

[Adam Curry]

All aboard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, all aboard.

[Adam Curry]

Pretty sure that it's this. Nope.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. There it is.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

You've got harmless.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this next one's good.

[Adam Curry]

All right. Matthew Martell. Oh, there he is in Brumal, Pennsylvania. 210 60. Hey, I keep things short. Have a happy fourth visit. Martel Hardware dot com. Use coupon code Manukagold for an additional 10% off your order.

[John C. Dvorak]

You'll never hear that in traditional advertising ever.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's gonna happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's hilarious. You gotta love the no agenda nation. And coming in with $207.02 because he's the guy who owns always comes in with $200 and the date of the show. Eli the coffee guy from Bensonville, Illinois. And he says 250 years ago, a bunch of guys who'd had enough signed the declaration in the name of freedom and bet everything on it. Feels like a good time to remember that. Grab a flag, fire up the grill, blow some things up and support an American small business while you're at it, visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com, use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. And whatever you do, stay cafe, says Eli the coffee guy.

[Adam Curry]

Onward with Linda Lubatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado. 200 jobs, karma. Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to Imagemakers, Inc. Com. Linda helps professionals and executive executives position their experience so employers can see their value. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Best Linda.

[NBC Reporter]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's vote for jobs. You know, I really do appreciate the small business value that we get. I really like it. You know, they send in funny notes. We get the rag on the long ones. They're cross promoting each other.

[Adam Curry]

They're.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're supporting the show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they do.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're supporting the show. There's something really lovely about that. I'm enjoying that. Thank you so much, everybody. Our last note is. And our last associate executive producer is from Shafina English and she is from San Francisco, California. She celebrates her birthday on the 27th of June. So it's a belated birthday. And she has a note here. Dear John and Adam, this $200. This is a 627 birthday denotion. Also, request for health, karma or healing prayers as I prepare to undergo a. Undergo a deferred reconstruction project. Is that a health thing or reconstruction?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it depends.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, healing, karma and a healing prayer. So I will definitely pray for her.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she has some, some issue that had to be reconstructed, corrected.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to be ovage. I mean, anything's possible.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't. Hopefully not ov. No, probably something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd like to thank all of the dames, knights and other producers over the years throughout Gitmo Nation for their consistent 8,808 donations. The message has been received. Thank you very much for all that you do and bring humor and light into this world. Fondly, Shafina English. Shoe Fina is the pronunciation.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. She usually comes to the meetups and she didn't make this one. She was sent a second note which was an apology that she didn't make it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's sweet. And this was a postcard or on. Yeah, postcard from the Taj Mahal Intercontinental in Bombay. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

I guess she grabbed a few cards when she was there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, very cool. Well, thank you very much. And that wraps up our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1882 of the Best Podcast in the Universe. Go to noagendadonations.com and we thank these executive and associate executive producer executive producers because they now have Hollywood titles they can use anywhere your LinkedIn you can go to IMDb.com and see that you too will be very official.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Order, order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave. And before we get to our meetup reports, we got a couple of those and we also have John's tip of the day. We have a few more producers to thank. Under 200 but above 50. Baron Latican from Houston, Texas with a hundred sir F.A. ian Beck, excuse me. In Vista, California. 100 viscount is Dame Knight in Edmonds, Washington. 100 and coming in boy. He sent in a longer note but he deserves it because he is not only Kevin McLaughlin, he is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. He lives in Concord, North Carolina and he says the in Congress, July 4, 1776, the unanimous declaration of the 13 United States of America. When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of hatred, happiness. Thank you very much, Kevin, and we appreciate your unending support of our work here. Luke Cumberland from Oxford, Mississippi, Missouri. I'm sorry. Comes in with 7377. Dame Dana Carroll in Laughlin, Nevada. 7227. Brian Furley, double nickels on the dime. 5510. Joshua Johnson, Omaha, Nebraska with 50. Oh, we've hit the 50s already, Nate. Nathan Noel from Nederland, Texas. Terrence Clark, Jacksonville Beach, Florida. Tony Lang, Castle pines, Colorado. Daniel LeBoy. I think it's Sir Daniel LeBoy, Bath, Michigan. James Sharametta in Napanoc, New York. Leslie Walker from Roseburg, Oregon. And she says, I'm excited for your new grandbaby. We'll be praying for your daughter, that things go smoothly. Thanks for all you guys do. Yeah. Did I tell you that she started out, oh, we're gonna have a home birthday and we do everything natural. Exactly. She's like, I'm getting an epidural. I can't wait. I'm sweaty here. I'm going to the hospital. Exactly. Ichikitogawa in San Francisco, $50 and Sir Michael in Snohomish, Washington, $50. And the rest is under 50 lots of $49.99. We don't read those for reasons of anonymity, but we are very grateful for you. Thank you so much for supporting your no Agenda show show. After all, it is our show. We do it together. No one is a listener. Everybody is a producer. Become a producer by going to noagendadonations.com any amount, anytime you feel like it. Set up a recurring donation, any amount, any [e-mail]. And there we see Shafina English, who, as we said, we congratulations, congratulate. Belatedly, she celebrated on June 27th. Eric Gibbs turned 52 years yesterday. On July 1st, Arno wishes Anita a happy birthday. Turns 25 on the 4th of July. How about that? And Barry Gildea turns 50 on July 23rd. You are well ahead of time, but we say happy birthday to you and everybody else from all of us here at the best podcast in the universe. And then no, no nights. But we do have.

[Poet/Performer]

Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose right from the start. In the morning, brave and smart, the Order of the Heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

And just in under the wire. Only one red knight for today. And this is just because we had a buffer, apparently. And we're happy that Sir Donald of the Fire Bottles will now be an official red knight in the Order of the heart. Go to noagendarings.com let us know where to send this fantastic package. Off to you, Sir Donald. The Fire bottles. Red Knight, Order of the Heart. Ah, that was. There we go.

[Poet/Performer]

Pure of pur. In the morning, brave and smart, the Order of the Heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

I came so close. So close that I came now. I thought I had more than one meetup report here. Am I missing a meetup report? Hold on, let me check.

[Unknown Guest]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's hit the meetups here. I'm pretty sure I had a second meetup report here and I'll have to go look for that later. But first we will play this one. It is from the Scandina, the Candanavian sports ball meetup in the morning. This is Pete future night of Dublin

[Adam Curry]

Bay in Ireland, kindly being hosted by

[Commentator/Analyst]

ID Pop here in Scandinavia from the sports Ball and bit of a bit

[Adam Curry]

of talk and it's been a great time. And yeah, in the morning here in the Fentanyl Capital of Candanavia.

[John C. Dvorak]

We microdose some freedom in the morning. Yes, I was right. I have a pipe smoker. Let me see what made up was. Let me check this out.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Hey, everybody, this is Scott Ault having a great time at the inaugural Pipe Smoke and Cheeseburgers meetup in Boca Raton. We're going to start doing this more often. Had a good time with Eric watching the Bright Line trains go by. Nobody got run over by the train today, so that was good.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning.

[Commentator/Analyst]

$100, Eric.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the charm City Pipe Smoke and Cheeseburgers inaugural meetup, we didn't hear too many train horns, but we were listening.

[Commentator/Analyst]

I don't have a cool nickname like $100 Eric. And here's our illustrious proprietor to talk to.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Nick here, general manager of

[Commentator/Analyst]

Charm City Burger Company and book Rita, Florida. Just wanted to say thank you to no Agenda for coming out today on a day like Father's Day, you know,

[Adam Curry]

big thanks for them coming out.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Enjoy burger, listen to some music. Look forward to see you guys real soon.

[CBS Reporter]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning. How about that? See, they didn't just get the server, they got the general manager on the horn. Oh, there you go. Now you're talking. And he figured it out. Yes, this is an opportunity to market. Fantastic. Go to Boca Raton. Go have a break. We have. Oh, the no Agenda Pre Freedom Fest is. Let me see, what time? What time is it? Oh, it's starting in about an hour from now. It's the Northern Wake, no Agenda Pre Freedom Fest. Saints and scholars in Raleigh, North Carolina. Then tomorrow the third, the America Fest starts at 2:00 clock in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma at Paseo Pad nothing on the fourth. In fact, nothing until the 11th. But then we do have Guelph, Ontario, Canada, Eagle, Idaho on the 14th, Scottsdale, Arizona, the 15th, Asheville, North Carolina, followed by Charlotte, North Carolina on the 16th. Anaheim, California. Leo Bravo there on the 25th and July 30th, Alpharetta, Georgia. And those are just a few of the many meetups that are scheduled. This is a place where you can connect with people and connection always gives you protection. We have an end of show mix just about that, so stick around for that. These people that you meet at the meetups will be your first responders in any kind of an emergency. Go to noagendameetups.com, just search for one. There's no cost, it's completely producer organized and it's a great way to meet people in person. Get off the phone, go to a meetup. Noagendameetups.com if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. Always a party.

[Poet/Performer]

Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days. You wanna be where you won't be triggered on Hell Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

And before we even get to the tip of the day, we always have some ISOs. We like to select one for the end of the show. It is my real people versus John's president. Really? Presidents. You have more presidents?

[Adam Curry]

You know, I have a drone outside the house.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't fly.

[Adam Curry]

Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it at like eye level?

[Adam Curry]

It's about. It's about three blocks over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, so he's not looking through your window or anything?

[Adam Curry]

No, no. It's not like right out the window. Window, but it's hard to tell. It's interesting to see this thing because it's like what's it doing there? A And it's up pretty high because I'm about 400ft. Is that at least that high? And it's annoying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is riveting. Boots on the ground.

[Financial Analyst]

I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I have two.

[Financial Analyst]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the presidents. Presidents.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Yeah. And I see that what you've. You've gotten into this thing now where you'll reply to someone's posts. Your engagement farming is what you're doing. You reply to someone's post on and this is bad.

[Adam Curry]

It's kind of annoys you. I know that it's kind of. Let's go with Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would like to know if anyone has started listening to the show because of. If you're here because John posted at president saying listen to the no Agenda show, please let me know. If I had known that no Agenda

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

was this good, I would given them Secret Service protection.

[Unknown Guest]

Not bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a little long, but it's not bad. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It was load. Yeah. And then we got Obama.

[John C. Dvorak]

As far as I'm concerned, the no Agenda podcast is the best in the universe. Yeah, I think Trump is better than the Obama one. Let me hear it again. Let me check. If I had known that no Agenda

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

was this good, I would given them Secret Service protection.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's long though, but it's possible. Let me see if I have something better.

[Poet/Performer]

A.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Always go to the well. Oh man, that's pretty tight.

[Adam Curry]

Uh huh huh huh huh huh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or copy.

[PBS Reporter]

Good work.

[Nicole Wallace]

You too.

[John C. Dvorak]

From the International Space Station.

[Adam Curry]

I couldn't understand it.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about this one?

[PBS Reporter]

Don't let your friends play with commies.

[Adam Curry]

I like it.

[Larry Ellison]

But no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so we're gonna go with. If I had known that no agenda

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

was this good, I would given them Secret Service protection.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, before we even let the president say that, it is time for John's tip of the day. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes

[Adam Curry]

Adam, the drone screen gone. Okay, we got an interesting tip. This kind of reflects some elements of the show and it's something I. It's not, not a bad idea. This is the Mag Griffin M A G R I F F I N. Which is the Amazon choice, by the way. RFID blocking card.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Now this card, you get to get three of them for $15.

[Unknown Guest]

Mm.

[Adam Curry]

So you can use them here and there. And it's a, it's a. It's a credit card sized card with this super thin. It has RFID circuitry in it that will blow out anybody that tries to steal your, you know, tries to capture your RFID information and then use it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do we know if anyone's really successfully done this with rfid?

[Adam Curry]

I think there's evidence that people have successfully done this, but it's nice to have it anyway. And it also will block. It'll block for 4 inches either way from where the card is. So it'll block an entire wallet. And it will also block a passport. Oh, to the same RFID frequency the passport uses.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

So you put it in your wall wallet or your purse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now do you put it on the bottom or the top or does it not matter?

[Adam Curry]

It. Well, if it's. If it's in a wall, it should be in the middle somewhere. So it blocks everything. And the people who sell these things, and there's about 20 companies that sell them and they range, they can be as expensive as 35 bucks. But they tell, they say that wallets that have the protective shields inside fail. They don't work all the time. You can check them out. This, this card supposedly is the way to go because it's got electronics in it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wasn't Sir Gene selling something like this at some point? He was selling.

[Adam Curry]

Not that I know of.

[John C. Dvorak]

EMP proof thing or something.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, that was a Faraday cage. You can buy little sheaths to stick cards in. And that works.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about cash?

[Adam Curry]

But this is different.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about just using cash? They can't, they can't lift your cash. Just use cash.

[Unknown Guest]

Cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cash is the way to go.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not going to argue with that. But people do have credit cards.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is, everybody. This is the one and only John C. Dvorak's Tip of the Bay. Go find them [e-mail].

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Berdetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

And as we near 11pm, I'll be in bed sometime around midnight. That is it for your no Agenda show for today. We do this because we do it as a public service. We love it. We want to make sure you always have as much no Agenda as you can get. If you found it valuable, then please return that to us by going to noagendadonations.com end of show mix. Coming up, we've got. I had too many to choose from, so I got just Baker and Johnny Bay. Mvp. I gotta talk to you about an MVP mix. Did he piss you off or something? Do you know anything about this?

[Adam Curry]

Why is he got some nasty things to say?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's like apologizing. I gotta send it to you. I didn't want to play it until I heard the story.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, send it to me. I'll tell you what I think. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And since he's been since he's been in the troll room throughout the show, we have Nick the Rat up next.

[Adam Curry]

He's only in the showroom so he can hear himself.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. And this is the syphilis sewer secrets. Oh, yes, a classic Nick the Rat. And we'll be back on Sunday. And I'll be here in Amsterdam. Maybe I'll be a grandpa who knows. You will get all the latest and we will help untangle your world. Coming to you from the heart of Amsterdam here at the museum district in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember [e-mail] Adios mo fosa whoi hooey and such.

[Poet/Performer]

Hoping the baby drops before he flies away Flies away from ma' am still veen pirate waves holding mics as a kid to count down fame now counting down with the store kid hoping that little producer makes his grand entrance while grandpa's in Holland praying for that stork's presence Airline stress time zones twisting the plan but family first that's the no agenda brand listeners relate traveling for that special birth support the show value flowing even when he's on earth abroad Devora holding the fork formula steady and strong crack pot overseas but the vibe carries on if the baby's playing hard to get like a good guest he'll hop that flight back then return for the rest Stork running on its own value for value time no rush, no agenda

[John C. Dvorak]

but the weight's Divine Curry and Holland

[Poet/Performer]

Stork on delay on delay hoping the baby drops before he flies away flies away if the timing's off like a late night drop he'll jet back home but the return trips lock lock value for value even across the pond producers holding it down while the crackpot's gone

[John C. Dvorak]

Crackpot's gone in the morning nah maternity

[Poet/Performer]

ward hype full circle Dutch story keeping the dream alive Dream alive no agenda

[Adam Curry]

yeah yeah I'm out here taking pause

[Poet/Performer]

in my little notebook Ask a simple

[John C. Dvorak]

question watch the whole room get shook.

[Poet/Performer]

Handouts but somehow never work, never clock in, never stand out Crowd got quiet tension dick like molasses lady in the back raised her hand through the masses Push punchline she said kick him out of Congress Whole room froze like did

[Adam Curry]

she really just drop this?

[Poet/Performer]

I'm scribbling no fast hitting doing crossfit Laughing so hard I nearly lost the whole bonus walking through the fair Fireworks in the sky 100,000 boomers popping off up high the ESA is empty yeah that's a bold twist But I'm stuck laughing at this lady with the cold disk DSA versus Damn prime there he's like a cage match every everybody beefing while I'm trying to get a name Scratch Adams in Holland dropping boots on the ground Bitch I'm just trying to finish surveys without starting more skits Eat them out of Congress Echo through the flare like a meme with a promise Notebook full crowd high vibe flawless best pole inside of the light straight lawless. Connecting is protection from the lonely broadcast blues we trade the screen's reflection for a real time rendezvous no agenda but the human one Value for value in the flesh in this pixelated prison we break out and refresh scroll the feed till the dopamine dried Eyes blazing the glow Chasing shadows of stories they dissected

[Adam Curry]

for the show the isolation installation got

[Poet/Performer]

installed in our heads Then the producers got the memo time to link up instead from the morning trail transmission to the meetup after dark we swap tight count takes four real life remarks small circles in the corner or a hall full of cheers Deconstructing the division while the good vibes steer Connection is protection the mantra hits different IRL not another notification but a handshake that reel facing propaganda with laughter as the vaccine in the no agenda nation we're building the scene used to high five the algorithm for another life like on the post now it's high fives with humans who catch the inside joke most no central server needed It's a mess made of

[John C. Dvorak]

meat organic and unfiltered can't be sold

[Poet/Performer]

or deleted Loneliness was the product they pushed on repeat but connections? The cure that makes the whole world feel sweet so if you're stuck in the scroll Hold a bait and box in your room Step into the real world where the signal goes boom Find your local producers no pressure, no plan Just connection as protection that's the ultimate J Connection is protection Connection is protection in the morning, in the evening Connection is protection Know it's in the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

The best podcast in the universe. Adios mofo. Dvorak.org Na if I had known that

[Alex Karp (Palantir CEO)]

no agenda was this good I would given them Secret Service protection.