1883 - "Orgy of Socialism"

Summary

No Agenda Show: Episode 1883 - "Orgy of Socialism"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: July 5, 2026
Location: Adam in Amsterdam, John in Silicon Valley

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Overview: Deconstructing the 250th Anniversary Orgy

This episode, recorded on July 5, 2026, marks the aftermath of America's 250th birthday and is characterized by the hosts’ signature deep-dive "deconstruction" of U.S. political, media, and cultural happenings. Adam and John dissect the 4th of July celebrations stateside and abroad, the rise of socialism among America’s youth, the “Red-Green Alliance” in politics (leftists & Muslims), perceptions of American exceptionalism, ongoing investigations into Trump, and the machinery of media and AI in government. The tone is sardonic, skeptical, and always sharply independent.

Key Episode Theme:
The "Orgy of Socialism" captures anxiety over far-left political gains, especially as they intersect with minority and activist politics, set against the backdrop of U.S. national celebrations, media spin, and continued Trump spectacle.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Adam in Amsterdam: The Socialist Family & Dutch Dissatisfaction

• Adam's Family in Netherlands: Many nephews proclaim themselves "socialists" and are angry about "hydration breaks" in football (soccer); Adam jokes this is why they're poor ([00:50]-[01:11]).
• Dutch Uber Driver's Perspective: Young Turkish-Dutchman complains about immigrant housing policy, says he wants “someone like Trump” in the Netherlands. Feels voting doesn’t matter; government only “pretends to sell a story” ([04:31]-[06:41]).
  • “They give them house, they give them money, they give them car… and I am living with my parents.” – Uber Driver ([05:08])

2. July 4th Celebrations and the Trump Spectacle

• Trump's Record-Breaking Mall Event:
  • Gigantic fireworks (850k+ shells), lightning storm, massive live band/orchestra assembled from armed forces.
  • John admires the "power of big government" in staging the spectacle ([06:50]-[10:11]).
  • Media coverage is both positive and negative; San Francisco's local show only 5,000 fireworks--"851 is crazy" ([11:50]-[12:10]).
  • NPR focuses on possible air quality issues, while Fox News highlights euphoria and patriotism ([13:28]-[14:21]).
• Comparing to 1976 Bicentennial: Americans now as then are both proud and pessimistic about the future ([33:42]-[36:51]).

3. American Exceptionalism & Competing National Narratives

• Trump vs. Mandani (NY Mayor):
  • Trump lauds "250 years of American greatness" and warns against "Communists", drawing on McCarthyist language ([19:03]-[21:58]).
    • “You can be loyal to Karl Marx or you can be loyal to America. You cannot be both.” – Trump ([19:36])
  • Mandani emphasizes "contradictions," decries “oligarchs,” "supremacy," and insists patriotism means dissent ([26:14]-[30:31]).
    • “Patriotism is every act of righteous dissent... because we love this nation, we will not leave it.” – Mandani ([29:31])
• Media & Public Sentiment:
  • NPR and Fox News give conflicting impressions; sampled "swing voters" reveal nuanced, mostly positive patriotism—especially when anonymity is assured ([39:22]-[42:35]).

4. Socialism, the "Red-Green Alliance," and Democratic Party Turmoil

• Leftward Shift in Democrats:
  • Notable socialist wins in primaries (NY, CO); DSA and pro-Palestinian candidates merging influence; potential problems for traditional Dems.
  • John Fetterman: “Our party's becoming an orgy of socialism.” ([60:59])
  • John: Party leadership “wants” the socialist drift and refuses to call out radicals ([67:53]-[68:44]).
  • Discussion of "Red-Green" alliance: Leftists (red) and Muslims (green) join up, sometimes opportunistically, to oppose the status quo ([69:42]-[71:23]).
  • Tucker Carlson, once critical of the Muslim world, now “loves Qatar” as anti-West sentiment rises ([71:23]-[72:17]).
• CIA/OP Angle:
  • Hosts speculate that elements within the US intelligence community (and possibly the “op”) are fostering this alliance for various ends ([63:01]-[65:33]).

5. Investigations & Corruption: Trump, Crypto, and Shadow Money

• Alleged Trump Self-Enrichment:
  • Probes into Freedom 250 (event fund), Trump coin ICO, possible emoluments clause issues.
  • “We are seeing the greatest onslaught of corruption in the history of mankind in the last 18 months.” – Political Commentator ([52:11])
• Trump Defense:
  • Dismisses conflicts: “I don’t do anything having to do with my business. My kids run it… I have a much bigger purpose.” ([55:04]-[56:08])
  • John clarifies that congressional, not POTUS, makes laws regarding crypto ([51:51])
• Impeachment Forecast:
  • Adam predicts Dems will win House, leading to years of impeachment attempts over self-dealing, but with "endless investigations" that go nowhere ([91:10]).

6. Media Deconstruction: Propaganda, MK Ultra, & Influence Operations

• MK Ultra/CIA Mind Control:
  • Congressman Burchett’s hearings focus on how memes and algorithmic manipulation could be the new mind control—memes might move people even towards violence ([83:43]-[89:23])
  • John is skeptical: “We were yelling 'Palestine, Palestine' 50 years ago, long before there were memes or desktop computers.” ([87:58])
• Social Media Influence & Sponsorship:
  • Report on child influencers promoting makeup online, and coordinated influencer campaigns (e.g., fighting a proposed soda ban) with secret compensation ([113:04]-[115:48])
  • “Unfortunately, their posts are not mentioning they're being paid… influence is the product.” – Reporter ([114:59])

7. AI Hype & Government Use: More Hype Than Substance

• U.S. State Department AI:
  • Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO) touts generative AI for translation and admin tasks, but reveals most usage is for IT support ("How much leave do I have?") ([92:26]-[97:58])
  • “AI Champions” sent to pressure employees to use new tools, but actual gain is dubious.
  • Marc Andreessen giddily claims “Dr. ChatGPT is a better doctor than 99% of doctors.” ([100:06])
• Meta’s Workforce Academy:
  • Meta's new training program for welders and fiber installers—a sign that AI won’t employ everyone ([101:52])

8. International: Iranian Leader's Funeral & Calendar Whackiness

• Coverage of Iranian Leadership Funeral:
  • Contrasts in Western media regarding motivations and symbolism.
  • Religious prophecy angle: Amanda Grace points out odd overlaps in the Jewish and Islamic calendars with the U.S. 250th; prompts apocalyptic speculation ([108:02]-[110:32])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You can’t do a funeral to compete with 850,000 shells.” – Adam, on Trump overshadowing Iranian funeral ([104:05])
• “We go out, we hit people in the mouth.” – Trump, replayed jingle ([145:22])
• “They give them house, they give them money, they give them car, and I am living with my parents.” – Dutch Uber driver ([05:08])
• “Just covering Dvorak causing friendly drama / Breaking down the headlines, cutting through the fog / Independent media baby, that's the job…” – Comic Strip Blogger’s end mix ([162:44])
• “Our party’s becoming an orgy of socialism.” – John Fetterman ([60:59])
• “Dr. ChatGPT is a better doctor than 99% of doctors.” – Marc Andreessen ([100:06])
• “Shapiro is more Jewy than these other guys. He’s the most Jewy of them all.” – John, on sidelining of Jewish Democratic candidates ([82:02])
• “The only way to beat [the globalist potato salad] is to put out even more, till the food poisoning so bad they can't ignore the metaphor.” – Comic Strip Blogger ([165:59])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------| | 01:09-06:41 | Adam's Netherlands report: Socialists & Dutch Uber driver | | 06:43-13:39 | Trump’s July 4th event, fireworks, band, and media swirl | | 19:00-22:21 | Trump’s “exceptionalism” speeches | | 26:14-30:31 | Mandani’s July 4th speech: “America’s contradictions” | | 33:42-36:51 | Bicentennial Then and Now, recurring themes of disunity | | 39:22-42:35 | NPR “Swing Shift” project: anonymous Americans on pride | | 60:59 | Fetterman: “Orgy of socialism” quote | | 67:53-68:44 | John: “Leadership wants the left turn” | | 83:43-89:23 | Burchett on MK Ultra, memes, and mind control | | 92:26-97:58 | State Department AI – more admin than innovation | | 104:05-107:10 | Iran funeral, calendar mysticism, and media framing | | 158:46-159:39 | Trump speech ISOs (for show ending) |

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Tone, Style, and Podcast Culture

• Tone is informal, skeptical, and frequently irreverent.
• Hosts oscillate between serious deconstruction and playful, sometimes crude banter.
• Memes, in-jokes, and produced audio (e.g., Comic Strip Blogger, jingles) set the episode's pace and color.
• Disdain for mainstream narratives, pride in audience curation ("producers," not listeners), and commitment to “value for value”—no ads, community funding.

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Conclusion: Utility for Non-Listeners

This episode—anchored around the “orgy of socialism” framing and the 250th “birthday crisis”—offers a panoramic deconstruction of current U.S. and global politics, media, and culture. Whether it's fireworks on the mall, the battle over American identity, far-left political advances, or simply a State Department employee forgetting her phone password, the show delivers a critical, humorous, and at times darkly cynical overview suited for those who crave detailed, independent analysis of the day's headlines—plus all the meta-commentary that comes with the No Agenda Show.

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Transcript

[John C. Dvorak]

It's delicious.

[Adam Curry]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, July 5, 2026.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

This is your award winning Gimmonation Media Assassination Episode 1883.

[Political Commentator]

This is no Agenda, still no baby.

[Adam Curry]

But we're broadcasting live from Museum Square here in the heart of Amsterdam, the Netherlands. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry

[John C. Dvorak]

and from northern Silicon Valley where I can tell you that on behalf of public broadcasting and in case you didn't know, Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

[Reporter]

I'm.

[John C. Dvorak]

See Dvorak, It's Crack V and Buzz kill in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it was. It's a, it's a scandal, I tell you. A scandal. Scandal. Oh boy. Hey John, I'm still here in the socialist slash communist country of the Netherlands.

[John C. Dvorak]

And how you doing there?

[Adam Curry]

You know, there's a couple problems here and first of all we had a really nice reunion with the family. It was great. It's nice to see everybody. Half of my nephews are socialists and they say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did they greet each other with comrade

[Adam Curry]

Uncle Adam, I'm a socialist. See, that's why you're poor. Yes, that's true. No, they are very angry and they are angry at two things. The main things they're angry about, since you asked, is hydration breaks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I can see that you're taking

[Adam Curry]

the, the entire energy out of the game. Say. Yeah, but you know, this is, this is, you gotta, you gotta live with it. This is how we're going to make soccer bigger. We don't need football, football, football, not soccer, football to be bigger. Okay. Are you mad because you're out of the game and America's still in it? Is that, is that the problem here?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that would be an issue. Yeah, that's a sore spot. I don't know why you'd say that.

[Adam Curry]

So talking to my brother in law

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

and

[Adam Curry]

he runs a pretty big section of a publisher of magazines which is obviously, I think one of them is still print, but the rest are online. And in fact the, you know, the largest magazine in the 80s and 90s when I was here was Veronica magazine. That was the magazine of the Veronica Broadcast Corporation that I was a part of, where I started my career. And that magazine had over a million subscribers in the 90s. How many people do you think still subscribe digitally? Digitally to the magazine? A couple hundred thousand, ninety thousand. And it's still one of the biggest publications here in the country. And he says, oh man. Now he's not a socialist. He is, he is very pro trump conservative, which is an anomaly, which is nice Although an anomaly for someone to be so open about it. He says, oh, man. Because they also own a number of the big newspapers in the country. Says the journalists and the management literally come to work with Palestinian flags and kifies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, brother.

[Adam Curry]

He says. He says, we're lost, we're lost. But then it was interesting because he says, you know, but it's obvious that, you know, Putin's in trouble now. I said, what? Oh, yeah, no, Putin is clearly. He's in trouble now with, you know, they're losing terrain and Ukraine is winning. I said, bro, is that what they're writing? Because I'm not so sure about that. So that was good. And then we had a great Uber driver. And so he's in a Tesla, of course, because you can't drive a gasoline powered car in Amsterdam anymore. It has to be electric. And we're chatting and he's like, oh, you're from. From America. Are you from Texas? And this young guy, you're from Texas? Oh, yeah. Like, got lots of guns. Yeah, yeah. Tina is the first one. Oh, yeah, I like my guns, you know. Okay. So he kind of set the tone and he's like, oh, you, you have Tesla there? I said, no, I'm not a big fan of Tesla, but it's American, It's. Elon said, no, I don't like it.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

You're right.

[Adam Curry]

Battery, car sucks. I hate it. That sucker sucks. Well, we have to drive it. And he goes on and on like this. And then he's like, okay, I want to ask you a question. Please don't be offended. He's like a Turkish Dutchman, so he has a bit of a Turkish accent. Don't be offended.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you're doing. That's what you're trying to do there.

[Adam Curry]

And believe me, I'm nailing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was wondering what the hell it was.

[Adam Curry]

I'm nailing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad you gave me clarified that.

[Adam Curry]

I needed to clarify that. Yes. He says, okay, I don't want you to be upset, just. I have a question. Let me guess, is this about Trump?

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Did you vote for him? So, yeah, we voted for him. I'm just like, we'll just go all out. Yeah, we voted for him. We love him. Yeah. But most Americans, if I ask them, they say, oh, I don't want to talk about it. We don't talk about who I voted for. I said, oh, that means they voted for Trump. They're afraid to say it. He said, oh, no, no. And he's like, oh, so Trump oh, yeah, he's like, you know, I'm 30 years old and there's no housing. I still live with my parents. I can't get a house because our government gives it to the immigrants. I understand. They have a horrible country. They need a safe place to come to. They need a safe place to live. This comrade. I understand, but they give them house, they give them money, they give them car, they give them everything. And I am living with my parents. I said, well, there you go. Yes, we need someone like Trump here every single time, Every single time. They all think it's great. And then they're like, oh, you know, we really need someone like Trump here. So this, everyone's oppressed here. They're, they are, they're beaten down. And, you know, the guys. I don't vote anymore. Why not? Because it doesn't make any difference. They're just there to pretend, sell me a story. But it never changes. You vote right, you vote left. Doesn't make any difference. So it's kind of sad to see it. And I think, wow, wow, we have such a great country. We got our problems.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unfortunately, you missed the big show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I tuned into as much as possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, can I explain a little bit what happened?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, please, please get in.

[John C. Dvorak]

First of all, Trump is a showman, and this show was. And he had to do the show because he had all these veterans and old men and everybody coming up there, and he had to put on a spectacle by setting all kinds of records. The biggest ever.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, 375,000 until they got struck by lightning and had to move out. This is on the mall, right? Not the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they came back. Most people came back, and there still was a big audience. But what was interesting was, was Trump's speech was pretty good. It wasn't funny really, but it was, it was, it was a good speech, but it was this show and it was the 850,000 851,000 shells circling the whole place. That went on for 38 minutes. And then lightning came, or thunder came back and started raining and it washed the crap out of the air, which was an interesting phenomenon. But it was this band, this guy, and no one credited him. I'll tell you who it was. Colonel Scott McKenzie, who heads up to army band. Yeah, they put together a. And I've looked up, tried to get the details on this, and I can't get any numbers other than 300 to 350 piece orchestra.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

No way.

[Reporter]

That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look it up.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's. I did not see any of that. Oh, I'm sad about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a joint. It was a joint band where he picked from the best of the best of all the best musicians in all the armed forces.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, must have been great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Put this tremendous. It was essentially just for comparison's sake, a symphony orchestra. Like San Francisco is 105 people, right? This was like a symphony with a thousand saxophones.

[Adam Curry]

Awesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he had. He was a sax. This guy's a saxophonist himself. And these arrangements, they did cover songs of Chicago and Journey and all these songs. And they were just so well arranged. And you can tell they obviously had this segment, this orchestra. So, you know, some part of it would play a rock, a raucous tune with a lot of guitars. And then there'd be the saxophone stuff. And they had these four singers which were all. And I. They were dressed in military. The dumpiest, frumpiest military uniforms. 3. I think there's three women and one bald guy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were terrific singers, but they didn't have cool. They would come out in uniforms.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but not cool uniforms. They had frumpy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, they're just. Just address the dress whites.

[Adam Curry]

Well, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so there was frumpy looking, frumpy forms. It was, it was funny. There's no Shakira, let's put it that way. It was just straight up. And it was something charming about it because you had this big military ban, which you couldn't do. This is where Trump understands the power of big government. You can put together a 300 piece orchestra if it's government.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly. You can afford to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can afford to do it because it doesn't cost anything really. But you can't do that in the private sector. So he went all the way with this and it was like just fabulous. And, and. But, you know, nobody credited this unbelievable band. But just to compare it to what we could expect, I have a couple of clips.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

That might give us some insight of what was going on. First of all, the fireworks. Play this clip. NPR had to find some way to throw a wet blanket on before I even.

[Adam Curry]

Of course it sucked. It's no good. Orange man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now they made it sound like it's gonna be. You know, they actually were pretty objective about it to the very end. Listen to this report. Fireworks in D.C. and just quickly, Jeff.

[Reporter]

The Fourth of July in D.C. isn't complete without fireworks. I gather this one tonight will be

[John C. Dvorak]

big and then some.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is gonna be huge. 850,000 fireworks.

[Reporter]

Roughly 40 minute to the Washington Post. That's absolutely massive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Compared to, as you know, the quite extensive fireworks D.C. has on every Fourth

[Reporter]

of July, according to the Post, it

[John C. Dvorak]

could cause air quality issues. Actually, air quality was already very unhealthy and people with respiratory issues may need

[Adam Curry]

to stay inside or wear masks. You might not. Woo. You worked on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. So just by comparison, the San Francisco. Yeah. It wasn't climate change, it was just air pollution. So San Francisco, by comparison, they lit up the Golden Gate Bridge. It was not viewable by anybody.

[Adam Curry]

Didn't they set it on fire? Oh, no, it was the Brooklyn Bridge. I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the local exhibit, which was a bigger show than usual, was 5,000 shells.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a big show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So 851 is crazy.

[Political Commentator]

That's crazy.

[Adam Curry]

That's crazy.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, this is Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Let's go, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Guinness Book of World Records for fireworks display, biggest ever.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I saw all the flybys because that was in the afternoon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flybys. Yeah, it was a. Flybys were cool.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, this is amazing. What is going on here? Yeah, of course I couldn't watch anything on YouTube TV because, oh, you're in a different country. I'm like, I'll get you. I turn off my. My gps. I'm going to turn. I got my VPN routed through my home computer. You're in a different country, you can't watch it. So I had to get some, like, C span streaming on YouTube. No, YouTube TV.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was rusty Fox had the best presentation.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, but they don't. They don't. Not all of them were streaming live on YouTube. So you had to kind of hunt around and then you get the rbtv, which is that outfit that always follows Trump everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I haven't seen them for a while.

[Adam Curry]

You tune in and right away. So you're from California. How bad does that suck? I'm like, okay, man, this is 4th of July. Stop with that. That was too much. All right, so what else you got? Fireworks on Facebook. What is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is an interesting. This is a local story because locally we had. Since it was fogged in, and all the best fireworks displays are just some guy in his backyard.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Always, Always winning.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's always a winner. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure in Texas it'd be a little more spectacular than what we get, but they trying to crack down with huge fines and everything in between. And so when I was a kid, we used to. We used to buy fireworks from the various Chinese grocery stores in Oakland or San Francisco, too. You'd Go there and you'd have code words and the next thing you know, the guy would bring out a bunch of stuff. Well, now it turns out that they're selling the fireworks over Facebook, and this is a local story that I thought was kind of interesting.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

It's almost the 4th of July, and though fireworks are illegal in the vast majority of the Bay Area area, you've probably already heard or seen some in your neighborhood. So where are all those fireworks coming from? Reporter Darwin Bond Graham with the Oakland side, looked into it, and he joins me now for more. So you start your story that was published this week with an example of a recent Oakland police raid that found a bunch of illegal fireworks. Tell us about what happened there and how that connects to the trends you're finding in your reporting.

[Political Commentator]

Yeah, this was a case of a person who was dealing a large quantity of fireworks out of their home in East Oakland. They were advertising them over social media, and that's how the police kind of caught on to this when they ended up conducting a search warrant at this person's house. They found over 2,000 pounds of fireworks in the backyard, a very large quantity for a residential neighborhood.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

It sounds like social media has made it even easier for fireworks sellers to find buyers. Is there any way for police to keep up with those ads?

[Interviewer]

Yeah, that's right.

[Political Commentator]

It's like the main way that a lot of the sellers appear to be marketing these products is over Facebook and Instagram and other social media. They post these kind of cryptic pictures of fireworks and then they get into these DMs with people who want to buy them, and then they'll, you know, meet people in a parking lot or have them come to their house or, you know, somewhere else to sell them. The police are actively scanning social media. So there's a lot of sheriff's deputies and officers from different police departments who are looking on Instagram and kind of lurking around and seeing what they can find. And that's how they're getting a lot of their leads here to figure out who these people are.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, right. They're doom scrolling and this is what their excuse is. I'm looking for illegal activity.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I found something. Oh, yeah, well, there were actually. I caught this. I got some clips from Miz now who really, they should just shut that operation down.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's getting worse.

[Adam Curry]

Douglas Brinkley, he's a historian, I think, isn't he? Brinkley?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think so.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So he noticed, you need to be a historian, that there were really two different Americas in Two different speeches from two different luminaries this Fourth of July.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they were two very different speeches. Both were playing with the idea of American exceptionalism. Donald Trump at Mount Rushmore was talking about, we're exceptional and now we've got to drive the Communists out of the country. Basically re stoking a Red scare. Something kind of speech Joe McCarthy would have easily given. Mondame is reflecting back on question.

[Adam Curry]

Did McCarthy really give big speeches about the commies, or was he just the guy who had the commission and was going after him? Did he do big speeches about it?

[John C. Dvorak]

He was front and center to diatribes, let's put it that way. I wouldn't call them big speeches.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ellis Island. And the tradition in New York of becoming a naturalized citizen. He's born in Uganda. When asked, he says, I can't have presidential ambitions. The Constitution says, I can't because I was born in Uganda. And Here it is, July 4th. Alexander Hamilton, one of the greats of the Revolutionary War era, had the same issue. He served his country in every way possible to George Washington and as we know, his role in the Constitution and

[Adam Curry]

Federalist Papers and the like.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he could never run for president. But they're a naturalized citizen, Mondame was talking about. And it reminds us that we keep refreshing ourselves in this country, having new waves of immigrants, and that's. That is. That is the American dream and is what makes America exceptional.

[Adam Curry]

Now, there was a lot of this refreshing talk everywhere, so I kind of like what he did here. Trump is like McCarthy and Mondami is like Hamilton. I mean, it's so obvious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. In fact, I have them on.

[Adam Curry]

I have the Mondami clips. I have them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have this one?

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me do Trump first.

[Political Commentator]

These are.

[Adam Curry]

These are relatively short. This is from the mall.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

At 250 years, America is the oldest republic on Earth. We are the.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, this is from. From Mount Rushmore.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

The freest people on Earth.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have, by the way. Just because you didn't hear both of them.

[Adam Curry]

I did. I have the other ones, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. The other one I thought was a little more. It was a little less disorganized.

[Adam Curry]

I thought he was okay here. I mean, it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was okay.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Righteous and enduring Constitution on Earth. We are the strongest and most powerful, powerful country on Earth. And by the grace of God, the United States of America is the most successful, most accomplished, most exceptional nation ever to exist in human history. And it is great to be your president. It is great.

[Adam Curry]

And then this is the. The the, the communist trope.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

You can be loyal to Karl Marx or you can be loyal America. You can be a communist or you can be a patriot. You cannot be both. As for those who peddle Marxist lies about our heritage, tell our children that we live on stolen land or that our heroes were oppressors, they're doing something much worse than slandering our past. They are slandering and attacking our future. Not going to let that happen.

[Adam Curry]

Not going to do it. I'll do true more from the Mall and then you'll play them on D.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

This country is the home of freedom. This is the land of liberty. And this is a flag that's the banner of the most extraordinary, most exceptional, most incredible nation ever to exist on the face of the earth. And we're doing better now than we've ever done before. No people have done more good, shown more courage, made more progress, righted more injustice, or achieved more greatness than you, the American people. For 250 years, the United States of America has been the hope, the promise, the light and the glory among all of the nations of the world. All over the world they try and be like us. Nobody can be like us.

[Adam Curry]

He's a rebel rouser.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

We have thrived and flourished because our founders were great. Our cause was just, our people are brave, our culture is exceptional and our destiny is written by God. And as we can see here tonight, after 250 years, the spirit of 1776 still lives within us all. It still roars in the hearts of our nation's capital, it still burns in the heart of every patriot, thunders through every city and town, and it still lights the entire world with the glow of American liberty. And there is nothing like that. At 250 years old, we may be the oldest constitutional republic on earth, but our country is just getting started because the best is yet to come.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there you go. And it's kind of, you know when you hear like we're the oldest, we've done this. And I look at the cobblestones on the streets here in Amsterdam and some of them are older than America. It's unbelievable. We're not a very old country. 250 years is pretty.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, just getting started. The Roman Empire went for a long time.

[Adam Curry]

There you go, John. We're just getting started. The best is yet to come, in fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not to just jump the gun on this, but it has led. I mean all these 250 years of American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism. It, it has led thanks to the education system, to this Clip. Which is the. Whatever. Girls. 9.

[Reporter]

What country did the United States gain its independence?

[Adam Curry]

This is not fair.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Europe.

[Adam Curry]

I can't. Who was the first president of the usa?

[Reporter]

Oh. Oh,

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

he had a top hat.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they always say Lincoln. What's his name? What's his name? Abraham Lincoln.

[Political Commentator]

Okay.

[Reporter]

What do you think?

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Yeah, Lincoln.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

I agree.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

I think it's Lincoln, too.

[Adam Curry]

They go in that top hat.

[Political Commentator]

Lincoln. What country is the Great Wall of China in?

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Tokyo?

[Political Commentator]

What language do the people in Idaho speak?

[Adam Curry]

How many years are in a decade, Gemma?

[Political Commentator]

12.

[Reporter]

How many are in a century?

[Interviewer]

500.

[Political Commentator]

What is the closest star to Earth?

[Reporter]

Okay, relax, Fido.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

The North Star.

[Adam Curry]

The sun.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the sun.

[Adam Curry]

No, the Lone Star.

[Reporter]

What country is the Panama Canal in?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Portugal.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, you're not allowed to do this. You are jumping the gun. You're, like, making us.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the funny thing is, is when that one girl asks, answer, what's the closest star? She says, the sun. Which is close.

[Adam Curry]

Correct.

[John C. Dvorak]

And two or three of the other girls mocked her for being an idiot.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is part of the genius of America, that even if you have clearly only four or five functioning brain cells, you can still make a living on OnlyFans. So we're a great country. What are you complaining about? This is great news.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm complaining. I think this is great. I agree with you 100%.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. All right. Okay, let's get back to the program for everybody. Here we have.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a Mandami clip. I have a couple Mandani.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I have a couple of. A couple of. Just shorties that I pulled out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's play mine first. It may set the stage.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Hey, guys, it's your mayor. Call me Mom. Don. Since we're communists and we don't have electricity for everyone except for ourselves, we would really appreciate it if you can go ahead and set your AC to a special mode called off mode. Also, it would be great if you could also stop eating, because we don't

[Adam Curry]

have food for everyone.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

So if you're fat, please eat once every other day. If you're kind of fat, you can eat once a day. And if you're skinny, you're probably white, so you don't get to eat anything. If you have any pets, please bring them into city hall so we can feed our Haitian immigrants. Well, I'm off to enjoy Taylor Swift's wedding. So, later, comrades,

[Adam Curry]

Programmatically, I think you made a mistake by playing two nutball clips back to back. It's okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. It's like one Comic following another.

[Adam Curry]

Programmatically, I wouldn't have advised that, but some of the real clips from his Fourth of July, that wasn't real.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

We are told that America is exceptional because we are richer, stronger, more powerful than everyone else. The truth, my friends, is that America is exceptional because here, nothing is fixed into place. The frontier may be closed. We may have walked on the moon. But the work of fulfilling the values first enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, that work endures. And it belongs to us all. It belongs, too, to our newest Americans, those standing here with me today, all of whom were recently naturalized nearly a decade ago. I, too, felt what you feel. The joy of no longer being just a New Yorker, but an American, too.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so he starts off reasonably, okay.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

You each hold a special power.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hold on reasonably okay. He's stiff. This is the worst speech he could have done. He was not relaxed. He was behind the George Washington desk, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And he has a bunch of stiff standing around him that don't look like they're very comfortable or know what the hell they're even doing there. It was terrible.

[Adam Curry]

No, it wasn't great. It wasn't very energetic, but, you know, he only got a little commie later.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

You each hold a special power, the power to determine what America means.

[Adam Curry]

See, this is. This is like. What do you mean? Where are we going with this?

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

The powerful have always known their answer. America, in their view, is an arena of supremacy.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Aha.

[Adam Curry]

The powerful. Supremacy whitey.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Where only a select few are allowed freedom. Where not all are created equal.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, this is going downhill pretty quick.

[John C. Dvorak]

America, if you ask, it, deteriorates very fast.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Gee, man, come.

[John C. Dvorak]

White supremacy. We were not created equal.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, there you go.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

America, if you ask them, becomes less the more people it welcomes.

[Adam Curry]

What is. Where does he get this from?

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

America, they will tell you, belongs only to those with the right accent or the right shade of skin. The rest of us says this, but this is.

[Adam Curry]

This is. This is what he's doing. This is. I found this to be quite un American, actually.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

The rest of us, they insist, should be grateful for merely being allowed to visit. How small they are. How weak. How unoriginal.

[Adam Curry]

You're small and weak, all right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And original.

[Adam Curry]

Unoriginal.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

What do we see? We see a city of contradictions within a nation of contradictions. We see the wealthiest country in the history of the world. One where children go to sleep hungry while the world's first trillionaire hungers for

[Comic Strip Blogger]

more

[Adam Curry]

Swipe at Elon.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

We see monopolies that dominate every industry and oligarchs who buy elections. We see masked agents terrorizing our oligarch. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Oligarchs.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, listen, the oligarch thing was every consultant on the Democrat side said, don't do that. Tells them to stop using that word. It doesn't mean anything. And nobody knows what the hell you're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's oil. They really don't know.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

We see monopolies that dominate every industry and oligarchs who buy elections.

[Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Who dominates podcasting?

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

We see masked agents terrorizing our streets, eating food cooked by our undocumented neighbors before spiriting them away in unmarked vans.

[Adam Curry]

This is the one I thought was the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was funny.

[Adam Curry]

So the agents.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you go, hey, can you cook me something before I take you away?

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

We see a nation whose immense wealth has been built by those with calloused dirt streaked hands. Those who toil on factory floors and chisel into stone. And we see a nation that has allowed so much of that wealth to be held instead in the soft hands of a precious few.

[Adam Curry]

Again with the soft hands. Because they don't work. So this, you know, just soft hands. Like a podcaster's soft hands. All right, last one.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

There are some who respond to those who ask for more from America with a simple refrain. Love it or leave it, they say. But patriotism has never been about pretending our nation is without flaws. Patriotism is every act of righteous dissent. It is every march led under the heavy sun. It is every protest held a decade before its time. It is precisely because we love this nation that we will not leave it. After all, who loves America more than those who have sacrificed so much to make it free?

[Adam Curry]

No. Well, so fine. But there was a lot of this talk everywhere of, you know, it's our turn now. We're going to change it, which is very much the DSA way, the Marxist way, you know, like, whatever. The candidate now in New York, like, we're going to get rid of the presidency. We'll just have a steering committee.

[John C. Dvorak]

All these other steering committees. Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

This is Sherilyn Ifill, who is Gwen. We love Gwen. In hindsight, we never gave her enough props, because once she left. Was it PBS?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was NewsHour.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, News Hour. Once she left, NewsHour just fell apart. It turns out she was the one holding it together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You don't know until somebody. One cog leaves. The next thing you know, the place falls apart. You didn't know at the time when

[Adam Curry]

we say leave, she Died. So this is her niece. And listen to this.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

And so I remind people that we were founded a second time. We will need to be founded a third time. And it's on us.

[Adam Curry]

And that's the exciting part.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

We get to be the founders and the framers of the new iteration of American democracy.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

What if we are willing to do it?

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

There's nothing that stops us from doing it.

[Adam Curry]

And so that's the opportunity of this moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

We hit 250, and then we needed to restart again.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

And so that's the work that is before us.

[Reporter]

Sherrilyn Ifill is the former president of the Legal Defense Fund.

[Adam Curry]

She is now at Howard University Law School. Yeah, that's what we need. More lawyers like that. I remember now. I was Young, of course, 1976, so I was 12 years old. I remember a bicentennial. I have only fond memories of it. And I found a video of man on the street being asked, oh, yes, this is good.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so I split it up into two parts. And we don't have to play the positive one, but the negative one. So this is just all the people. It sounds the same, our negativity, that we have elements of severe negativity in America. They have the same complaints.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I should remind people that this 1976, which I recall, we were there. I was in the middle of working for the Air Pollution District. There was the. It was just Watergate was wrapping up and Nixon was a terrible person. We're ready to go into the Jimmy Carter era. We're right in the middle of what was the equivalent of the Great depression of the 30s with interest rates at 20%.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And unemployment super high. That's when the idea of stagflation was peaking. Right about the time of the bicentennial, funny enough. So it was not a good time.

[Adam Curry]

And didn't we just have the energy crisis, too?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Yeah. The energy crisis just wrapped. OPEC was now, you know, telling everybody what to do. Yeah. It was not. The timing was. It was a. To me, I'm surprised anyone had anything good to say.

[Adam Curry]

Nixon had taken all our gold. The dollar was in free floating currency. That happened a few years earlier. Funny enough, in this archival footage, people weren't really complaining about that too much. They had the same typical complaints.

[Reporter]

Right now, we don't have a great deal to celebrate.

[Adam Curry]

I feel that it might leave a lot of people out. For me, it doesn't have any real significant meaning.

[Political Commentator]

I mean, what's the difference between 199

[John C. Dvorak]

years or 201 years.

[Political Commentator]

I don't really have any particular feel about 200 years.

[Reporter]

Somehow I feel that it's like a big fad.

[Adam Curry]

You know, the bicentennial's been kind of a dirty word here in Philadelphia and throughout the country.

[Reporter]

I think in many ways, the bicentennial

[Adam Curry]

is just being fabricated. This country is faced with so many problems. I just can't stand aside and say, hip, hip, hooray for the bicentennial.

[Political Commentator]

Well, after Watergate, the morale of the country's low.

[Adam Curry]

I'm concerned that the bicentennial is still saying things that were okay 10, 15, 20 years ago, but I don't know if they're okay now.

[John C. Dvorak]

At this point in this day, I

[Adam Curry]

really don't see any. Any advantage of the bicentennial. At the time of the bicentennial, we still have, you know, 8% unemployment. 8%, John. We have, what is it, 3.4% right now. Unemployment around 4, according to the numbers. Those numbers may have changed. I can't see any reason to go around patting ourselves on the back for having just survived two centuries. There's a lot of division here in the United States. Used to be called the melting pot. I don't know what's happening here. You know, maybe the compounds are beginning to separate again and the people of the United States are diverging again. We're endorsing the Declaration of independence on July 4, 1976. But, you know, an Associated Press has done a study in Miami where they gave out the Declaration of Independence and didn't say what it was and asked people if they would endorse it. Only one. One person out of 50 on a Miami street corner would endorse the Declaration. You know what they said? Why they wouldn't endorse it? This is commie junk, the work of a raver. I'm going to tell the FBI about this kind of stuff. See, your. Whatever, girls. Have no hold, no lock on idiocy. We've always been dumb. So these are the kinds of problems that we face. We have strayed so far from the original conception of what patriotism and love of country is, that we now believe

[John C. Dvorak]

that everything that this country stood for is subversive. No one wears American flag lapel pins anymore.

[Adam Curry]

Have you noticed? People have lost faith. People don't know what patriotism is anymore.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

I think maybe the best thing for this country is 1975 being international women's year, even more than 1976 being bicentennial, you know, because I think maybe women should have a larger say. And really what happens Is in this world our basic loving

[Adam Curry]

tendencies, you know, rather than let's beat each other's heads

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

in to get what we want, you know, let's love each other, let's, you know, let's not kill each other.

[Adam Curry]

I think we've done already enough. Enough buildings and enough. Covering the earth with concrete is your climate change, dude. And destroyed enough in nature already that maybe progress is regress. I'd like to see the bicentennial deal with the kind of future I think

[John C. Dvorak]

we're going to have.

[Adam Curry]

And I think it's going to be a sort of troubled future. We are not necessarily the greatest people that ever existed on this earth. We've grown, we've broken down. We have to rebuild. No, we're going to rebuild on the basis of adversity, whether you like it or not. Are we going to have more and more of everything? No, for a long period now, we're going to have less and less of everything. Yeah. Well, of course, the opposite is true. We had the 80s, the 90s, and then we ran into trouble again. It's a cycle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the 90s were really prosperous.

[Adam Curry]

But I don't hear anything really different from the complaints we get today. You know, it's the same. So we browse a bit and maybe it's just the media. Maybe the media.

[John C. Dvorak]

We browse a bit.

[Adam Curry]

The media picks the same people. That's my ultimate conclusion. The media picks the same people that although NPR really tried, they had. Listen, boss, I got an idea. We'll do a segment and we'll have people record their answers on. On the cell phone and send it in and we'll air it all the way. Boss, just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just as contrast, because I know what you're going to play, because I saw that or heard it, too, but Bill Hammer was at the fireworks display, and afterwards, as people were streaming out, they were doing a live feed, and this was just people leaving and he would just go up to live feed person after person after person after person. And if you took all that stuff and put it together, it was nothing but positive. In fact, it was. It was ridiculously positive. And so you. So your point about. And I think this is. This is true. And I think we both. Everybody suffers from it. If you're in the media. Yeah. You know, when you go out there, the positive stuff's not that interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, it's just a bunch of

[John C. Dvorak]

people saying, this was great. I love Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Can't have that. Stop that immediately. Stop that. The Fox people are probably even, oh, we gotta do some negativity here. So they asked swing voters if they were proud of their imperfect America. And now more. Oh, man, I'm so sorry. I screwed up my screwed up suffering succotash. I'm Scott. I screwed up my own jingle.

[Political Commentator]

SIMON and now more voices of our fellow Americans.

[Adam Curry]

NPR has undertaken a project that we call Swing Shift. It follows a dozen voters in swing states. NPR senior political correspondent Tamara Keith is

[Political Commentator]

checking in with them periodically on gas

[Adam Curry]

prices, their opinion, how the president's doing, and today on how they feel about

[Political Commentator]

America on its 250th birthday.

[Adam Curry]

Hello, Tamara, this is John from Pennsylvania.

[Interviewer]

I sent John and the other Swing Shift voters a list of questions about America 250 years in, and they sent back thoughtful answers recorded on their phones.

[Adam Curry]

Question is, are you proud to be an American? Why or why not? The answer is, yes, I am proud

[Political Commentator]

to be an American.

[Adam Curry]

It's a very imperfect country. There's a lot that still needs to

[Political Commentator]

be worked on, a lot that still

[Adam Curry]

needs to be done.

[Interviewer]

And still he's proud. They all are, with varying levels of nuance.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I am and always have been proud to be an American. I would still say yes here, but with some slight embarrassment. I'm proud to to be an American. This is the greatest country on the planet Earth. We live in the best country in the world. You know, we have democracy, we have freedom. I do have some pride to be an American. However, I also have a lot of shame.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why wouldn't I be proud to be American? I mean, we live in one of the best countries in the world.

[Interviewer]

That was Jason, Wally, Gerald, Teresa, Evan and Lee. NPR agreed not to use their full names so they can speak freely about politics in these polarized times.

[Adam Curry]

And I think that that is a clue that they give us there. The minute you let people speak anonymously, then the truth comes out. Yeah, I'm proud to be America. It's a pretty good country. It's all right. Who has a little bit of shame? But in general, sounds like people are optimistic. And I'm quite sure if she had at least one besides the guy said, I feel some shame, she had enough. She would have put it in the report. She just didn't have it. So that was quite interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, like you said, you experienced this kind of in an offhanded way there in Holland when the driver asked people who they voted for and they wouldn't say. And you said they voted for Trump. Yeah, which is probably true. But they wouldn't say it because it wasn't anonymous.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. And the Driver was, it was interesting. He's like, I love it here because we just say who we voted for. I think we're pretty clear in America too. I think what I feel is that Americans come over and first of all, why are they over here? They're here for business or they're here to run away from evil orange man and they just don't want to say it. I don't know. But media wise in the United States, the minute it's anonymous, then the truth comes out. And she had a second piece here.

[Interviewer]

The final question I asked was for one word or phrase that explains how they feel about America's future, these swing votes. Voters are uncertain, concerned, hopeful, worried, excited and cautiously optimistic. And then there's Lee, who has a new job and his optimism is unqualified.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we're gonna have a good.

[Reporter]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. His optimism is unqualified?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, technically what she's saying is that everybody else had qualified optimism, which means that you. Yeah, I'm optimistic.

[Interviewer]

But he who has a new job and his optimism is unqualified.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we're gonna have a good future because why wouldn't we?

[Comic Strip Blogger]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I think she's just saying that guy's an idiot. It can't be right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well he sounds like one that can't be right.

[Adam Curry]

So then we switch over to Ms. Now. Ms. Now and we have, let's see, Representative Huffman and of course Ms. Now was all over the setup to the House being taken over by Democrats for the impeachment of Trump.

[Reporter]

Yeah, A lot of this is in the jurisdiction of the Natural Resources Committee. And so our oversight and investigation team has undertaken a year long investigation that really I think should upset every American because our country only turns 250 years old. Once we were on track for a broadly unifying national celebration with serious folks like the Smithsonian leading the programming Congress.

[Adam Curry]

Yawn.

[Reporter]

Set up this commission.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Compare that with Trump to showman. Oh, the Smithsonian is going to need. Can you imagine?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Slavery, Horrible.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Yawn.

[Reporter]

Serious folks like the Smithsonian leading the programming Congress set up this commission to be insulated from politics, to really be above politics. And it was going to be a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. I think that fireworks are above politics.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

A band playing a bunch of hot songs.

[Adam Curry]

Well, but this with a big sax

[John C. Dvorak]

section is above politics.

[Adam Curry]

He's actually leading into something which is a topic you brought to our, our attention several weeks ago.

[Reporter]

And it was going to be a lot like what many of us experienced in 1976 something that we could all feel good about our government leading instead.

[Adam Curry]

Not everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've already proven that wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Not everybody.

[Reporter]

Donald Trump hijacked it, made it all about himself and his vanity projects, his political agenda, and all of these endless schemes to enrich himself and his cronies.

[Adam Curry]

Enriching. So, so with America, with Freedom 250. Freedom 250. He enriched himself and all of his cronies. Yes. This is a scandal. Congressman, it's Sam Stein here. The report that you put out today really looks at whether money was misdirected and if donors were misinformed about where their money was going, assuming they were giving to the congressionally mandated committee, and then it turns out they were giving to the Trump related committee. This is sort of a reoccurring pattern. I know you've been focused on the triumphal arch that he's trying to build out in Virginia, but we just don't know the sources of the money, how he's spending the money, where the money's going and who it's going to in a lot of these cases. Can you speak in broad strokes about what you know as someone who does have jurisdiction over this and what you would like to find out?

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Yeah.

[Reporter]

This report pulls back the veil on how they hid a lot of this from public scrutiny. And they started out with an attempt to, to take over that bipartisan commission that Congress created. When that failed, they went to plan B, which is this elaborate mechanization where they set up a shadow company, Freedom 250 LLC. They housed it within a beloved charity, the National park foundation over at the Department of Interior. And they did it in a way that all of their fundraising and other activities would be insulated from public view. And so they started shaking down and misleading donors, soliciting foreign contributions. They siphoned off the resources of the bipartisan commission that Congress authorized, and they did it all in, in this veil of secrecy through Freedom250.

[Adam Curry]

So this is the, the organization that that Silicon Valley guy, the Indian guy put together, Rake something or other, was his name?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't recall his name.

[Adam Curry]

So all of this secrecy, he fleeced the donors. I looked it up. It's public. I read the documents, ma', am, and it's Raytheon, it's north of Grumman. It's all the military industrial complex, Coca Cola. I mean, it's not like they didn't fleece any donors. They said, hey. Trump went over and said, hey, listen, listen, you like these contracts? You know, chip in, man, make America look good. Pay something for the. For the mall. Oh, no, this is. He just enriched himself and his cronies. Yeah, Coca Cola cronies. He drinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of cronies are Raytheon. How's the money coming from Raytheon to En? Well, I guess it does enrich them because they get a contract somewhere down the road that they would have gotten anyway. Who else you gonna contract? Some of these. These Patriot missile banks, too. They're the only ones who make them,

[Adam Curry]

which we sold the Dutch. 700 of them as an aside. The Dutch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Raytheon. Good for them.

[Adam Curry]

They bought 700 Patriots, I think it was. Patriots to give to.

[John C. Dvorak]

For what?

[Adam Curry]

To give to Ukraine. Literally. To give to Ukraine. You know how you pay for it? With a freedom tax. There's a new freedom tax in Holland because we're protecting your.

[John C. Dvorak]

So wait a minute. Let me get this straight. The Dutch people have been suckered into paying a freedom tax to give our company Raytheon money to buy missiles that then they would then give away to Ukraine?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And then they tell the media Putin's in trouble. It's working, people. Your freedom tax money is working.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

So this talk, though, is all part of the story.

[John C. Dvorak]

You sold that deal. We got sales guys.

[Adam Curry]

It's our guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. He's done his job.

[Adam Curry]

You are the trillion dollar troomp. You did it again, man. It's great. So Ty Cobb, who used to be a White House lawyer, he's now grabbing the bull by the horns because we have to set everything up, because we're going to have your thesis, and you probably won't be wrong. But I still took the other side of the bet because there's two of us. If the Democrats take the House in the midterms, they will immediately move to impeach the president. And this is what they are hammering is enrichment of his cronies himself. And he's clearly crooked out front.

[Interviewer]

Now, Ty Cobby is a former Trump White House lawyer. Ty, pretty interesting there.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

When you look at that chart and

[Interviewer]

how much Trump has made and how

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

much everyone else has lost, what is your reaction to.

[Interviewer]

To the scale of what we're seeing in the.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

How much Trump has made and how much everyone else has lost.

[Adam Curry]

This is the best part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who lost what?

[Adam Curry]

Well, so that they show the chart of the meme coin, of the Trump coin, which is exactly what it is. You make a million of these Trump coins, or however many they made. It's an ico. Everyone knows how it works. There's tens of thousands of them. And you sell them, everybody buys them, and the price goes up. And then he dumps to all of the insider stuff that they have, which is another 10 million. And then you put that in your pocket and then the market goes down and everyone else lost. And you won.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is exactly lost.

[Adam Curry]

I see exactly how it's been working for, you know, for a decade, almost.

[Interviewer]

Disclosure of how much Trump is earning from these Crypto Ventures. Over $1 billion last year alone.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Right.

[Interviewer]

This isn't a cumulative number. It's in one year. An industry he's actively promoted and supported and done policy executive orders related to. Is it legal?

[Political Commentator]

I don't believe so.

[Reporter]

Certainly.

[Political Commentator]

I don't think it was contemplated by the founders when they created the emoluments clause. I do think that one of the line items, of course, is the commemorative coins. You know, several hundred million dollars of income related to those coins. How can that be anything other than trading on his image and likeness?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. The image and likeness he's built up for. For what, 40 years. Yeah. And I think this all launched before he became president.

[John C. Dvorak]

60 years.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if. Yeah, yeah.

[Political Commentator]

In violation of the emoluments clause.

[Adam Curry]

It's in violation of the. Is, is the emoluments clause. Is that in violation of the emoluments clause?

[John C. Dvorak]

The emoluments clause has.

[Adam Curry]

Is what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Foreign gifts is gifts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But okay.

[Reporter]

With regard to the crypto, obviously, you

[Political Commentator]

know, it's a slimy industry.

[Adam Curry]

Slimy.

[Reporter]

The way he's going around it, where

[Political Commentator]

he creates policies that can only enrich himself and his family.

[Adam Curry]

Bull crap. Congress is making laws about that. The President isn't making laws about.

[Political Commentator]

Crypto is something that I think the average American should be staggered by. But you mentioned the scale, and I

[Reporter]

think the scale here is just.

[Political Commentator]

It's intentional.

[Reporter]

There's no question.

[Political Commentator]

I mean, we are seeing the greatest onslaught of corruption in the history of mankind in the last 18 months.

[Adam Curry]

Mankind. So this is what they're going to do. They're going to take, you know, they're going to say crypto, crypto, which will confuse everybody, and then they're going to make it very confusing. Well, what is crypto and what did he have and is crypto. This is crypto. That. And, and then it's going to go on. Because it's a good one. Because no one, you know, not, not a lot of people understand it. Millions do, but certainly not, not most. And many people have enriched themselves with crypto of all sorts, but they're going to use this over and over again. And the hearings will go on forever. They'll be explaining crypto. And Trump did an interview with cnbc. He did a sit down with our. With the guy we like, the one guy we like, Joe Kernan. And. And here's the two clips about these accusations. Now, many people argue business experience is needed in government, and we've seen the stock market in the first term and the second term.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's been rewarded to have

[Adam Curry]

a businessman in there.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

So

[Adam Curry]

I think we shouldn't be surprised that your businesses are doing well. But how would you counter critics that

[John C. Dvorak]

say you're using the presidency to enrich yourself and your family?

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Well, in a lot of ways, if you think about it, the stock has gone up so much. The stock market Today, it's up 500 points. Points. It's up to almost 53,000. You know, I watched your show, and you had somebody on, one of your brilliant analysts, and they said, if I had won the election, they said if President Trump could get the stock market to anywhere near 50,000, that would be an unbelievable achievement. And that was over four years. In other words, at the end of his term, four years, if he could get anywhere near 50,000, that would be. Well, it's at 53,000. It's just a couple of points short of 53,000 right now. And that's essentially after a little bit more than a year.

[Adam Curry]

Now, I kind of disagree with this because I believe that when you devalue the dollar with printing money, in essence, and we've done a lot of that, doesn't the stock market automatically have to go up? Is that number kind of irrelevant? I mean, you can't say, well, this is in $1984, which would be this much today. Don't you have to say the same thing about the stock market with 53 might be, you know, 35 in 1984 or am.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think you can make that argument. I don't think it's valid.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Okay. All right. They continue.

[Political Commentator]

But do you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you worry that if they take.

[Adam Curry]

If the Democrats were to win the

[John C. Dvorak]

House, that there's endless investigations of you and your administration?

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Well, you know, I don't do anything having to do with my business. My kids run it. I put a lot of money. I had a lot of money, and I have a lot of money, and I've. I've always made. I've made money. You know, I'm a business person. I'm a really good business person. I've made money. I've Made a tremendous amount of money, more than I would have ever thought I would have made. And I let people invest it. I don't even speak to. I don't even know who they are, are. But it's given to. Big firms like that are on your show all the time. My son Eric handles it. I don't talk to him about things such as this. I think I'd be allowed to. I'm not sure even what the status is, but I don't. And he gives it into these like semi blind trusts or blind trusts where people invest. There was a story today about Jensen Wang, who's fantastic Nvidia, and that I have some stock. I think it's very small. I think it's one of many companies that one of the big Wall street firms invest. And so they said, oh, Trump has some stock in there. But I don't care about that.

[Political Commentator]

You know what?

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

You know why I don't care? Because I have a much bigger purpose. You know, this. This is the Oval Office. It's a much bigger purpose than whether or not I make money.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, that will be the. That will be it. That will be. There'll be fighting for years and years to impeach him and get him out again. And on the other side, we have really. This, this socialism thing is quite interesting and somewhat alarming, I would say, because, you see, the, the. I really didn't even believe it myself, but I, I see this. What do they call the red green alliance happening more and more. So it's the red for the Communists and green for Muslim.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that. I'm thinking there's something to that. Now, here's what Kamala Harris is doing. It's like, oh, you know that Mandami guy, he's got both. He's got. He's a commie and he's a Muslim. I should go talk to him. An interesting story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, perfect. In Axios, Kamala Harris reached out to

[Adam Curry]

Zoramdani, New York City mayor and significantly pro Palestinian activist, to talk about things. Jaime, what's that about?

[Political Commentator]

Look, I'm not surprised by it. I mean, Cassie and I talked about this for the last couple months. I mean, this was a big piece of Kamala Harris's downfall. In 2024, she just could not wrap her head around talking, communicating with this wing of the Democratic Party and how aggrieved they felt. And how aggrieved they felt. And we've seen recently with the DSA emerging as something that's been. You better pay attention. And so I think she's doing her politics correctly.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

And I.

[Political Commentator]

And obviously, Mira Mandani is the sort of mayor of the moment, so she's doing the right thing, but she's recognizing that she's got to ameliorate this before the next election.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which means I'm asking you, is this a tell?

[Political Commentator]

Is this the strongest tell of all that she's running? I think she's doing everything she can

[Adam Curry]

right now to put herself in a

[Political Commentator]

position to run again. I think it's very likely. But there's still some consideration that she may not. The first tell is when she didn't run for governing.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Right?

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Exactly.

[Political Commentator]

Exactly. But she wants to keep black voters as close as possible as well.

[Reporter]

Cassie?

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Yeah, I think it's interesting that so many sort of hedged around whether or

[Interviewer]

not they support Mammy ahead of his election. And now you have Kamala Harris remains the favorite in the odds, the betting market right now, and she's calling him.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

What I do think is interesting from a Republican perspective is Mandami espouses so many of the things that when Kamala

[Interviewer]

Harris talked about them in 2024, voters

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

ran away from that.

[Interviewer]

So it's interesting that instead of saying, what are the lessons we learned from 2024? Talk about the DNC autopsy. She's doubling down.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

She's embracing. She's seeing that this is the future

[Interviewer]

base of the Democrat Party. And as we know, you can't win if you can't turn out your base.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe, maybe you need to combine the commie and Muslim and call them mommies or mummies.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. But it's so bad that even Fetterman, who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, Fetterman hates this.

[Adam Curry]

He's such an interesting dude. You had the, the representative who won the, the, the primary in New York

[John C. Dvorak]

and yeah, Chevalier is the one they're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Dori Lisa Avelia Chavier is one of

[Political Commentator]

several far left candidates who have shocked the Democratic establishment.

[Adam Curry]

This current political cycle. Their success, raising questions about the future of the party as they see, as they say, rather, that their movement continues to grow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Solidarity is the force that we need

[Comic Strip Blogger]

to vanquish Trump's fascism, to abolish ICE

[John C. Dvorak]

and to stand up to the billionaires

[Comic Strip Blogger]

who are rigging our economy.

[Adam Curry]

Can a democratic socialist get elected president?

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

I think a democratic socialist can get elected anywhere across this country for any president.

[Adam Curry]

We want to demonstrate that this is not some fluke. This is about an entire movement of working class people who know that we can demand so much more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, John Fetterman, Democratic Senator From Pennsylvania. Sir, good to have you back.

[Adam Curry]

And good morning to you.

[Political Commentator]

I want to motor through a couple

[Adam Curry]

of topics, and this is the first

[Reporter]

one you said the other day that

[Adam Curry]

there's a significant part of our party that's being taken over with these extreme views. Now others are saying it's just a few here and a few there. You said significant. Explain that. Well, I think your colleague Chad just pointed out, I just put out a tweet yesterday. I mean, she was praising Kim and Stalin. I mean, between those two men, you know, 100 million, you know, people murdered, you know, like some of the most evil and terrible people you know, in the world are in history. And she was praising them, saying we don't have enough of their books in our libraries. And of course, she, she deleted those things.

[Political Commentator]

But this is not ancient history.

[Adam Curry]

This is all recent views that people like this we are electing.

[Political Commentator]

And on this network, I've described that.

[Adam Curry]

I think it was with Jesse. I said, you know, our party's becoming an orgy of socialism. And I think I've been vindicated with to see the way these elections are working out. It's kind of concerning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, of course, you know, I think the whole thing's an op, but that's just me. Let's play this.

[Adam Curry]

I think it isn't. It's not just you. I think it is an op.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's play my favorite one, though, the person in Colorado. Yes, this joker in Colorado really takes it over the top. The ideological battle within the Democratic Party

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

on full display yet again. Democratic social media Socialist candidate Aus another

[John C. Dvorak]

sitting Democrat in Congress, Antony's Melina Weiskop

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

has key takeaways from Colorado's primary elections.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Longtime Democrat Congresswoman Diana DeGette from Colorado is the latest target from the far left of the Democratic Party. Yesterday, the congresswoman who served here in the House for the past 29 years lost her seat to the Democratic Socialist candidate Malat Kiros. Kiros previously commented that the massacre of Israeli civilians on October 7th was the inevitable consequence of apartheid. House Republicans this week warning about the dangerous rhetoric from far left candidates like her.

[Interviewer]

We've watched members of their coalition say Israel, our closest ally in the Middle east, doesn't have the right to exist.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Kiros's win is the latest in a string of victories for the Democratic Socialist movement in America that's led to the ousting of several Democrat incumbents here in Congress over the past few weeks. House Minority leader and Democrat leader Hakeem Jeffries, when asked about this trend, told

[Adam Curry]

reporters this, ultimately, it'll be in the hands of the people of Denver. But the reality is we have an unsettled electoral environment.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Another progressive candidate, State Representative Manny Rutnell in Colorado's 8th District, won the Democratic primary, nudging past a moderate state lawmaker. Rutnell will now face Republican incumbent Congressman Gabe Evans in November.

[Adam Curry]

Results tonight could not be more clear.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Clear out of touch. Far left Democrats just nominated the most radical socialist Colorado has ever seen. Ban oil and gas, ban natural gas stoves.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

This is one of the most purple districts in the nation. And Democrats are eyeing it as a pickup opportunity for November. House Speaker Mike Johnson telling reporters on Tuesday that the contrast for voters couldn't be more clear.

[Adam Curry]

Now, I've been thinking about this particularly, you know, speaking to my brother in law here, here. And so two of my nephews, one is a socialist and one is completely right wing, voted for Gerd Wilders, etc. They're two different countries, but the same basic ideas. They both agree on one thing. Israel committed genocide. And if this truly is an op from CIA, which there's plenty of evidence to go around that they have managed elections and who runs our country for a long time, that would be the perfect one. You just want to get the people who are against Israel to talk together. And it's all going to be young people, which is the weakness of the plan because young people don't typically vote as much as older people. But I can see where you get these anti Israel slash Muslim, pro like Mandami types together with the Marxists and free stuff. And I can see how they would have molded that. Does that fit into your thesis?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, in some ways. And I think a lot of it is to get people to reveal themselves. In other words, you set up shop, make it look normal and then see who jumps in. And I have this clip from Rance Priebus. He was asked about this, the whole Democrat socialist stuff and he was blathering on Hannity. And this is Priebus going on and on. And I think he, of all people

[Adam Curry]

who was Priebus again, he was ran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spebus is the original guy who ran the original Trump office. He was the chief of staff for Trump in 2016.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a wimpy looking guy and he was put in by somebody else, but he's kind of come around. But, but put it.

[Adam Curry]

Put him by the CIA maybe?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so because I don't think he's read in unless he's, unless even this is being Part of the plan. But what he says is, to me, after he's done, I'll tell you what he's missing.

[Reporter]

Well, I don't know if we're teaching

[Adam Curry]

people anymore like we used to.

[Reporter]

I mean, you have Muslim countries from

[Adam Curry]

the west coast of Africa all the way through the Middle east, all the way through Asia, basically.

[Reporter]

And you have this little tiny spot, Israel, on the map. And they've been persecuted for decades and decades and centuries for that matter. I mean, there's no doubt about it.

[Adam Curry]

But the point here, it's very clear

[Reporter]

this is a leadership problem.

[Adam Curry]

It's not a messaging problem.

[Reporter]

I mean, you have a Democrat Party,

[Adam Curry]

you have Hakeem Jeffries, Schumer, Ken Martin,

[Political Commentator]

all of you all out there in

[Reporter]

the Democrat Party, they're not calling it out.

[Adam Curry]

This stuff needs to be isolated and rejected. If the entire Democrat leadership called out

[Reporter]

these kind of comments.

[Political Commentator]

This gal from Colorado that she was called 10-7-inevitable.

[Reporter]

She called 911 inevitable.

[Adam Curry]

Every party leader in the Democratic Party should have called her out. Every state party, local party, county party. If everyone did that and ostracized this

[Reporter]

person for these crazy comments, she wouldn't be elected. But they're not willing to do it.

[Adam Curry]

They have a leadership problem. Here's another question.

[Reporter]

If.

[Adam Curry]

Tell me, Whatif you're into DNC right now, which swing state in 2028 do

[Reporter]

you want one of these DSA lunatic

[Adam Curry]

communists campaigning in to Jon Osseff and Roy Kuf Cooper, which one of these DSA candidates you want running around in North Carolina and Georgia this fall campaigning?

[Reporter]

The answer is none of them.

[Adam Curry]

So there was this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me, let me say something.

[Adam Curry]

Sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

When he says that they won't call him out. I think you might be missing the point of that. There's been this underlying current, even since I was in college, within the Democrat Party that's extremely socialist. And it's starting to emerge after all these years. And it's a sincere movement. It's bad for the country and bad for everybody. But it's been bubbling underneath the surface. And the reason that the leadership doesn't make a point of calling it out is because in some ways they're. And they want it.

[Adam Curry]

They love it. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

They want it. The Democrats want. Because Bernie Sanders has been harping on this for year after year after year. We need to go more left. So he keeps wanting to, you know, he and, And Robert Reich, who was. Yeah, actually, we saw him on the street. He lives in Berkeley. Robert Reich came out, and if you look at this, he's got a podcast or something.

[Adam Curry]

Yell at him. Yell at him.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Him.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I'd seen him sooner. He has a podcast where he's the

[Adam Curry]

same thing on Substack.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Democrats should not move toward the middle, they should move further left. And so it's undercurrent. They've decided, okay, we're going to try it, let's see what happens. And they're all. And I think they're sincere about it.

[Adam Curry]

So there was this guy and they're

[John C. Dvorak]

being encouraged by the op.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, and I think the OP is bigger than just the Democrats, but it will behoove the Democrats Democratic Party. There was this guy, Jeremy Boreing, who is actually. He lives up to his name. There's a term for that when someone's personality is like their name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there is a term.

[Adam Curry]

I forget what it is. He's kind of boring. He was the co founder of the Daily Wire with Shapiro and he has a podcast, of course, the Jeremy Boring Show Show. And he had this guy on Burmawi, a Muslim who left Islam and converted to Christianity. And he did a whole hour about this. Most of it was not that interesting. But I have two clips that I thought kind of fit in with this exact conversation about the Red Green Alliance. Now Islam fits that

[Political Commentator]

narrative because Islam

[Adam Curry]

is non Western, non white, colonized, non Christian.

[Political Commentator]

So it checks all the boxes. And Islam by nature is anti West.

[Adam Curry]

So the alliance they became

[Political Commentator]

just, you know, naturally like a couple who are in love. Even though they don't agree on almost anything else. They agree on the enemy, the Marxists,

[Adam Curry]

they want to take down the system

[Political Commentator]

because they want to build their utopia.

[Adam Curry]

Islam wants to take down the system

[Political Commentator]

because it wants to replace it with the caliphate, with the rule of Allah. So both groups are saying, well, let's

[Adam Curry]

work together and let's kick the can

[Political Commentator]

down the road and we will figure out who's going to establish what later.

[Adam Curry]

For now, let's take down the system. I think that's spot on. And of course the communists always forget that once the combined group has the power, the Muslims will kill them. They're the first to kill. They kill them first.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that would be the way you'd go. So it's like the communists don't think they, they think I don't know what they're thinking. I, I'm not a communist, so I can't figure out and I mean it's the whole idea of queers for Palestine is kind of exactly summarizes everything.

[Adam Curry]

But now you see that you have a Tucker Carlson who is saying, Islam isn't that bad. These Muslim countries are pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Love cutter.

[Adam Curry]

Love cutter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have a house there.

[Adam Curry]

You know, Israel is horrible. Israel is. Is a. Is the. Is responsible for all of our problems. And. And so you're bringing in, you know, you're bringing in another group that are kind of coming together and eventually will wind up voting for these Democrat candidates, or it's possible, not all of them, but I think you're right. The Democrat Party sees the power, sees the movement, and they're like, well, we don't have much else, and we can still throw our LGBTQ in there because they're all for it. It's an interesting game to watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's terrific.

[Adam Curry]

Now, considering this is coming from the intelligence sector and for CIA, this is probably why the President has appointed the bull in the China shop, Bill Pulte, as the interim dni, and he's doing the purge. So you have a director, the most senior, the Director of National Intelligence. And Pulte himself has no experience in intelligence. He is known primarily for doing the

[Political Commentator]

President's bidding and now his Chief of Staff.

[Adam Curry]

Also known, no and no experience, and

[Political Commentator]

has a history of looking into election fraud claims.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Which concerns you more, the competence question or the ideology question?

[Political Commentator]

I think it's. It's all of them. Number one, it's against the law to put Bill Pulte in there because he has no intelligence background.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, this was interesting. I'm like, wait a minute. It's against the law to put him in there because he has no intelligence background? The law.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the law says no candidate to be no nominee shall have no intelligence background. But Trump has already nominated another person. He's not the nominee. He's the interim. So this is another nice move, Tricky Dicky move by the President. He nominated someone who has intelligence background and experience. But this guy is just here for, you know, until we. Till we move that guy through.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Ideology question.

[Political Commentator]

I think it's. It's all of them. Number one, it's against the law to put Bill Pulte in there because he has no intelligence background. It's actually articulated so the suitability both on knowledge and experience, but also character from both Bill Pulte and now as Chief of Staff. But what's their intent? What are they looking to do? They looking to make the intelligence community better? The DNI was supposed to be a synchronizer, supposed to help with efficiency and sharing of information. That's not what they're necessarily looking to do. What it sounds like, and what's past his prologue is they're looking to create another big lie and now use the power of the intelligence community and more broadly, you know, the FBI and Homeland Security and others to do the bidding to forward this conspiracy. And that should alarm all Americans, because the capabilities of the intelligence community are vast and impressive, which is why we were able to dismantle ISIS and hunt down bin Laden and all the things we've done during the global war on terrorism to keep us safe after 9, 11. That is not what we're going to see going forward. We're going to see these capabilities potentially turned on American citizens.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course it'll be turned on American citizens like John Brennan, who has done a cool move. John Brennan is now. Call me John Brennan is now suing the Trump administration.

[Interviewer]

Firing back at Donald Trump's revenge campaign is where we begin this hour with former Director of the CIA John Brennan.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Thank you for being here and having

[Adam Curry]

this conversation with us.

[Reporter]

Absolutely, Nicole, thanks for having me on.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nicole, Vocal fry.

[Adam Curry]

Put your headphones on.

[Interviewer]

What made you sort of take a different legal strategy? Because the facts have always been the same. And I just want to ask you

[Adam Curry]

to go over the facts of the.

[Interviewer]

Of the smears and the alleged investigations unearthed by Trump ally John Durham, by Marco Rubio, who was the senator in

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

charge of the Intelligence Committee when it

[Adam Curry]

comes to that 2016 intelligence assessment. Well, Nicole, clearly I didn't come to

[Reporter]

the decision to launch this lawsuit against

[Adam Curry]

the Trump administration, President Trump, and the

[Political Commentator]

Department of Justice lightly.

[Adam Curry]

But as you and I have talked numerous times over the past 18 months, Donald Trump has been engaged in this

[Reporter]

campaign to punish individuals he considers his enemies.

[Political Commentator]

And I am being targeted by Donald

[Reporter]

Trump because I fulfilled my obligations in 2016 as director of the CIA to expose Russian interference in that presidential election of that year.

[Adam Curry]

He's doubling down. Talk about your op, Muslim Brennan.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This guy's unbelievable. Yeah, but he's gonna. He's gonna stick with the. With the Russia collusion thing, even though it's been.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

The lid's been long since blown off it by Tulsi Gabbard mostly.

[Adam Curry]

But this guy was probably the.

[Reporter]

In.

[Adam Curry]

In charge of the, the red green alliance within the intelligence community.

[John C. Dvorak]

He probably was. He was his head Muslim. And nobody to this day has ever just asked in the news media, said,

[Adam Curry]

hey, are you a Muslim?

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you a Muslim?

[Adam Curry]

And a good Muslim has to answer, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, a good Muslim doesn't. A good Muslim. There's that thing where you can lie.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, oh, I'm sorry, I forgot about that part.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a term for it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Lying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, there is a specific term for it.

[Political Commentator]

Perjury.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's called lying. For the purposes of the benefit.

[Adam Curry]

Benefit Islam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting. So in conclusion, there is a definite situation we have to be aware of in the United States. And that's, I think, this red green alliance. There's something to it. But if you. If you just have a bunch of imams and clerics running around, it doesn't work.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Work.

[Adam Curry]

It only works if you get a Mamdani or a Chevalier. This is where it's dangerous when you have the communist who is a Muslim or converts to Muslim, like the Jewish guy in New York who. They had him doing a whole bunch of Quran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he said the mosque.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's where. That's what we have to look out for. And then we have the intelligence community, the FBI, going after Newsom, and that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, I have a clip.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'll play mine. And if yours, you've got anything, then. Well, actually, let's play yours because you're in California. You probably have something better. Newsom wiretap. That sounds the same.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Stunning new report reveals the FBI recruited a member of Governor Gavin Newsom's inner political circle to wear a wire as early as June 2024. So who was this cooperating witness? Alexis Podesta, a veteran Sacramento Democrat who worked under former Governor Jerry Brown. She did so in 2020. Newsom appointed her then to the board of the State Compensation Insurance Fund, a position that she still holds. She later became a key cooperating witness in the federal corruption case against Newsom's former chief of staff, Dana Williamson, who pleaded guilty in May to federal fraud and tax charges. And that's where the story takes a major turn. The New York Post is reporting, quote, Democrat insider Alexis Podesta secretly recorded conversations during the criminal probe into Newsom's then chief of staff, Dana Williamson. The revelation that she was wearing a wire as far back as June 2024 explains why Sacramento political insiders and lobbyists were stunned to receive FBI letters last Friday fall informing them their phone calls had been intercepted during the investigation and that timeline matters. The wiretap would have been authorized during the Biden administration. And federal wiretaps aren't handed out lightly. Investigators must establish probable cause, show a wiretap is necessary, and the DOJ must approve it. Then a federal judge has to sign off and the Authorization is limited. General. Generally just 30 days at a time with every extension react Reacquiring a new application and new judicial approval is required.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're going after him. And I looked it up. Alexa Podesta is no relation to John.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. No relations.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the thinking by some reporters is that she was caught up in the scandal with the, with the chief of staff.

[Adam Curry]

She went stage, she sang like a canary. She flicked, flipped.

[John C. Dvorak]

She flipped. And they said if you really wanted us to not to do anything with you, you're gonna have to wear a wire.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's. They usually have something on you if you're, if you're wearing.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you're walking around for. Since 2024 with a wire, you're doing it under duress. Nobody's voluntarily doing that because people will shoot you if they, you know, I mean, there's been. Then, oh, she fell out the window. I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, yeah, this is bad.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's bad. Well, that's why Kamala is sniffing around Mamdani, you know, who do they have at this point? Who do they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the other thing that, you know, that I'm convinced of, which is that part of the whole op, the op of the Kami op up is to. Is also to sideline Josh, Josh Shapiro. And they've done that because what they did, all this anti Jewish stuff has come. All this anti Semitic stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Can't have the Jew.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so. And he according. And cnn had an interesting little chat around with somebody saying, well, he. He presents himself as more Jewish than these other guys. He's.

[Reporter]

Do you have that?

[Adam Curry]

You have a clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I wish they should have gotten the clip.

[Adam Curry]

Did they say he's more Jewy?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that'd be a. Jon Stewart's always using the term Jewy. But that would be a deal killer. So Shapiro is. Because Shapiro, I think could be a great candidate. Yeah, because he's got the chops, he's got executive experience. Now that he's running a state, that

[Adam Curry]

kite will not fly in this Democratic Party. You can't be a Jew anymore. It's just not going to work.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. So the Jew thing. So they've managed to sideline him.

[Adam Curry]

How do they even allow Bernie Sanders to speak anymore?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a very interesting point.

[Adam Curry]

Or is he just. Just an old crank and they don't even see him?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's an old crank and, you know, he's. Okay. He's not really Jewish.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

The most Jewy of them all.

[Adam Curry]

So. Burchett, Tim Burchett, Representative Burchett, who was the big UAP UFO disclosure day.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Guy.

[Adam Curry]

So that turned out to be a wet fart. Just nothing happened. Spielberg didn't come through. You know, the videos suck. It's all old stuff. Okay. We have a hard time even believing Apollo 11. Oh, okay. But, you know, they saw stuff on the moon or something, so it was just a dud. And the witnesses aren't really witnesses, they're not really whistleblowers, so it's just nothing. So he's moved on. I think this guy's entire modus operandi is, you know, if I can just cut on Joe Rogan a couple of times, I'll get reelected. So now he's on the MK ULTRA tip, which is a lot more believable than the UFOs. And they got hearings. Have you seen any of the MK Ultra hearings?

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been meaning to go back to C SPAN and looked specifically at them, but no.

[Adam Curry]

Let me bring you up to speed.

[John C. Dvorak]

I remember there's been a couple of clips that are good. Sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go.

[Political Commentator]

I remembered when all the talk about MK ULTRA broke, and then they were talking about lawsuits, and there were lawsuits, and CIA and the federal government said that this didn't exist. And then they came back and said, well, it does exist. And then. But we're not doing it anymore. I guess my question to y' all first is, which lie do we. Do we believe?

[Adam Curry]

Because he's doing shtick, Are these MK Ultra survivors who are hooting and hollering in the background.

[Political Commentator]

Obviously, there was an open bar before this thing started, so thank y', all, but Dr. Kinzer. Hit your mic, brother. You're not on the mic. It's an old CIA trick.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just kidding.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, the guy is just doing shtick, which is not really that funny, but I think he's trying to become a personality in these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think like Kennedy trying to be a John Kennedy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, he's failing. He's no John Kennedy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I put myself in the place of

[Adam Curry]

one of those senior CIA officers, and I'm thinking to myself, like the ones back in the 1950s, well, other people must be doing this.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

We'd be falling behind if we don't

[Adam Curry]

do it, and nobody's looking over our shoulders. And that, I think, is your job. So I think there is a definite air of urgency and total secrecy. If any current research is going on, and if it's conducted in any comparable

[Political Commentator]

level of secrecy to the original MK

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Ultra, it's very deeply secret.

[Adam Curry]

Okay? It's very deeply secret.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

So

[Adam Curry]

let's bring us up to speed. Make it a little more current. Let's talk about some of these lone wolf people, which we used to call lone wolves, now they're just known as loners.

[Political Commentator]

What are the possibilities that, that what we've learned in MKULTRA now that it has advanced so much to algorithms and the computer and getting to loners that some of these loaners could, through this just mass propagation of whatever you're doing could cause someone to maybe take a shot at a president.

[Adam Curry]

I know there's a lot of speculation out there there about the Butler shooting and I guess even the Charlie Kirk shooting. I just hate to speculate because I don't know. I have no firsthand knowledge whether those guys were programmed through radio waves or through their computer activity. So I would never hazard a guess except to say what I've already said. That they develop means that we've never been told about out many, many years ago. And I imagine they've evolved to be much more effective now. I think this guy was the only. I forget who that was. It was Dr. Kinser. I think he's probably correct that memes and algorithms, they definitely can affect people. And darpa, now this comes from Pachenik, so take it with a grain of salt. But Pachenik told me, me that darpa, the defense.

[John C. Dvorak]

When did you talk to Pachenic?

[Adam Curry]

Oh no, we're talking years ago, years ago. And so he's, he told me, he told me this years ago. And I, there's evidence of it that DARPA, Defense Agency research project who thanks to Al Gore created the Internet and you know, Tim Berners Lee, but we all know as Al Gore that they were evaluating the effects of quote unquote social media back in the late 70s. And I think there's, there's something to that that you know, and just look at what, what memes can do. They're very powerful. And if you can control algorithms and get stuff going, you know, you can, you can move people places, you can get people to, to want to defend Palestine and hate Jews. And you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the problem I have with that thesis is that when I was at Cal Berkeley as 50 years ago, plus way before memes or social media or before computers, desktop computers, at least pre desktops, they were yelling the Palestinian thing and then, you know, Palestine, Palestine seems to be code for something. And then when I heard that speech which I've discussed on the show before of Phil Spector who gave a three hour lecture in Wheeler Auditorium, he as an aside, went on that when he was a kid he had Heard this Palestine versus the Israel thing before Israel is even a country. And he was hearing about this Palestine, Palestine Palace. So I'm not convinced that memes are going to trigger some guy to take

[Adam Curry]

a shot at Trump. Let me counter that, that maybe Palestine, Palestine, Palestine never worked until they had the Internet. And then, oh, oh, now we can do it. Now we know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Still doesn't work.

[Adam Curry]

What do you mean? They're getting, they're getting people positioned to be elected. We have a mayor in New York. It, it is working.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know if it's working anymore that, well, if it's an op, it may not be working. It may be artificial.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Artificial.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to make the argument that's artificial.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, we shall see, comrade. I'm going to start calling you comrade. I'm hedging my bets just in case. And our friend Burchett also is hedging his bets because he's playing. He's doing the same thing that he did with the UFO, UAPs. Listen to this. Sounds to me like you're describing something like the Martin Luther King assassination. The FBI didn't carry it out, but it could created such a climate, just denouncing King as the most dangerous man

[Political Commentator]

in America and putting out all this

[Reporter]

material about how he was helping communists

[Adam Curry]

that they must have thought it's going to filter down, somebody will take action and then we can say we didn't have anything to do with it.

[Political Commentator]

And James Earl Ray was a third rate thief. He made an incredible shot. One foot on a commode, one foot in a, in a bathtub leaning out of a window. But basically. And the next day, the. Or that afternoon, all the shrubbery was cut in front of the flop house he was staying in. There's a lot on that one that will never be discussed. I have some friends that were there, so I guess I could. I'm on.

[John C. Dvorak]

I read the document pretty close to

[Political Commentator]

firsthand knowledge, but yeah, I'm sorry, I'm probably going to get audited. When I walk out of the room, I just know it. Thank you, chair lady. I yield. Back my four seconds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so they're not really talking about MK Ultra. They're talking about propaganda, media propaganda. And there's. We can, we can certainly show that there's a lot of mainstream media propaganda that is intended for one reason and one reason only is don't vote for Trump. Vote, vote Democrat. Even better. So, I mean, I, I think it's, I think this op idea, there's something to it. It's possible. Plausible.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Plausible.

[Adam Curry]

Could be happening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it will resolve itself shortly, but I still think the Democrats are getting in and getting the House in. I don't know if they're going to get the Senate, but they're going to get the House for sure. And they're going to impeach Trump, even though it's going to go nowhere. It's just going to be a huge waste of time.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Waste of time and useful content for. For Miz now and other cable news networks. They need something. I saw an interview just to. Can I switch topics here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, please.

[Adam Curry]

I saw an interesting interview on Fed Gov today. You know, because they do podcasts, obviously, good use of your tax money. And they had on. They had an interview with. Let me see. She is this, I think, the CIO of. Hold on a second. Where is it here. Her name is Fletcher.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fletcher.

[Adam Curry]

Fletcher. Kelly Fletcher, State Department cio. So she runs the computers for Marco's outfit and they have had quite an interesting experience with AI. And I'm listening to this and I'm sure you'll pick up on the same things that I did.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Honestly, for the State Department. Generative AI is like the technology for us. We translate things, we write a lot. It's pretty magical for our mission.

[Adam Curry]

Magical.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

And so we rolled it out to 3,000 users to start. And it was, you know, it was in development, it crashed. You loaded a document that was too big, it crashed. PDFs worked fine. But like, oh, an Excel table, forget about it. You know, it was imperfect. And I'm so thankful we had these 3,000 users. They were committed to it. We would change the underlying prompt in a small way and these users would notify us of the change in performance before our analytics did. It was so cool. So we actually have recently sort of hit the knee in the curve moment. We spent probably a year.

[Adam Curry]

We got to remember this one, the knee in the curve moment. This is a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

What does it refer to?

[Adam Curry]

So you have to look at the knee. If someone's lying on their back and then the curve all of a sudden shoots up because their knee is bent. The knee and the curve.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's one we need to keep track of before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ok, we can keep track of it, but I don't think it's going to go anywhere.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

What extent. It was so cool.

[Adam Curry]

So, so cool.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

We actually have recently said if we wait for it to hit the knee in the curve moment, we spent probably a year, year and a half just saying, use it, use it, use it. We Built this for you. Please use it. We now have well over 50,000 users. We have about 20,000 users every single week. Unique users.

[Adam Curry]

Unique users. She's talking like a Silicon Valley lady. And now we have to. We don't have enough users. So let's get some champions.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Yeah, we have a really strong, like, community of users.

[Adam Curry]

Users from Unity.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

So these are our employees.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Some of it is like not technologists, but technology. Users become super users. They talk to each other, they engage. And I thought organically, this will grow. You know what I mean? They're sitting next to non super users. It'll grow. But now we're being more intentional about it. So we have the AI Champions program. These are folks who, like, explicitly part of their duties are to go around, around their embassy or their domestic office and say to people, hey, this is what I'm doing with AI. Would this work for you? They get to call themselves AI Champions. Their cohort. They get extra training. Honestly, it's really cool.

[Adam Curry]

Everything's really cool. So what do you think that the. After these years of implementation, forcing these poor government employees to use it, sending out some kind of gestapo team called AI Champions. Hey, hey, why aren't you using this? What do you think they're ultimately using this technology for?

[John C. Dvorak]

Search engine.

[Adam Curry]

No, close.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

So right now I would say we have AI agents, but as a user, you don't really see them because they

[Adam Curry]

don't really exist in the background.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

But we're moving to role of something we're calling beacon, and it is your personal administrative assistant. So all those things that you're, you know, how much leave do I have? You know, I, I forgot.

[Adam Curry]

First thing we do, how do I get out of this job? AI agent. How much leave do I have? How can I leave this desk?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that sounds. That is government work in a nutshell. Having been there, number one, how much, how much sick time do I have? How much money, how much leave do I have? Can I combine the two? I'll get sick, then take a week off. I'll be in Europe for two weeks.

[Adam Curry]

This is it.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

How much leave do I have? You know, I forgot my password on my phone. Do I have to go in to see someone or can someone help?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, if you're a government employee and you forgot your password on your phone, maybe you shouldn't be an employee.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Like all the admin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Administrative toil.

[Adam Curry]

Administrative toil of how do I get out of this job for two weeks in Europe?

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

All the administrative toil. It's going to help with that we have the infrastructure to do it. But I'll tell you, it's the training that's getting us, because right now you would call all different help desks to solve these problems. And those help desks have scripts, and some of those scripts are great, and some of them are not.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so now we're coming down to the nitty gritty. All of this money, all of this effort, all of these agents running around doing stuff, we need to show some numbers people. Show me some results.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

And we found about 60% of our tickets from the IT support center could either be sped up or totally resolved through an agent. But we need the agent to be very clear. If it can't help, right, we need to send you to the right place to get help. But it can't. It can't not help, because then we're going to be in a situation where folks just aren't going to trust it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have about a minute left for this part of the conversation. What kind of a timeline? Hey, ladies, get to the point. The hook do you expect to be able to get through? It sounds like just a volume of

[Political Commentator]

stuff to be able to work through,

[John C. Dvorak]

even with the advantage of using AI tools.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

So for the IT Support center, I think we have a full plan for about 60% of the tickets we receive, which we receive almost a million tickets a year. Now, rolling that out, we're going to see how it goes with users. I think we're going to get users. My Hope is that 10 to 20% of their help desk questions are resolved through Beacon in the next six months.

[Adam Curry]

So it's for help desk. I forgot my password. What do I do? Do I need to go see someone? I mean, this is. What a waste. And is this the best they can do? It seems pretty pathetic now if you ask Marc Andreessen. Man, that guy's head.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. It's egg shaped.

[Adam Curry]

It's an egg. It's not egg shaped. And it's completely smooth. I mean, it's like his head is like a giant ostrich.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm surprised he doesn't wear a hat.

[Adam Curry]

A tiny one.

[John C. Dvorak]

A cowboy hat would probably be the way to go.

[Adam Curry]

No, no. Everyone would know. Like, dude, you're just hiding that pointy. He is a cone head. That's what he is. And he seems like a nice enough guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I met the guy, had dinner with him once.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

When he had hair. Hair. Oh, that's how long ago it was. Yeah. And with his hair and everything, he. He looked. You never knew he had that shaped head. For some reason I think he probably should have gone with a toupee.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think. Well, so I met him virtually in 1993 and he was still at school. I've told you the story. And he and I had the mtv.com gopher search server and he says hey, I've got this thing, it's called a web browser mosaic and you can set it up on MTV.com and he sent me the httpd I think 0.1.4 or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is way before I met him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, well he was in school so I think once he was a billionaire he's like, well I gotta deal with the toupee. I can get any chick I want, want egghead or not. Just call my boy Jeff. So here he is about, he's asked the question about his favorite models.

[Political Commentator]

And so you know, again we're back to policy questions which is there are going to be policy efforts to kind of prevent AI medicine from happening or robotic medicine from happening, but the capabilities

[Adam Curry]

for sure are going to be, are going to exist.

[Political Commentator]

I mean Dr. Chatgpt is a better doctor than 99% of doctors. Like people, I don't know doctors hate when you say it but like it is, it just is, it really is. We have all these new companies, we have this company, a break in one

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

of our companies, Open Evidence, that's actually

[Political Commentator]

the AI medical service that a lot of the doctors use and it's sweeping the medical field and it's great.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, as a patient you

[Political Commentator]

really want this because you want your doctor to have state of the art AI supporting all of their, by the way, if only to just have all of the information at their fingertips to just really understand there's no human doctor can possibly read all the medical literature and keep up with it every year.

[Adam Curry]

Dr. Chad GPT, that's what he's going for, doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's inevitable.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And here's an ad that producer Gary sent me as Meta is rolling out their AI and I think they, I don't think they have a good strategy at all. All they're trying to sell it now as part of your WhatsApp for an extra five bucks a month or you could get the Pro version for $19 a month since they are socially conscious and they know how much their users, although I don't think their users are graduating from college. I think their users are 70, 60, 70 years old probably on average. Well, we have to be socially conscious so we have to help these kids who are going to displace from the workplace and get them new jobs. People are building things here in America again. And this moment calls for the best of America, our people.

[Political Commentator]

Introducing America's Workforce Academy built by Meta,

[Adam Curry]

a program helping to train the next generation of welders, fiber installers, crew leaders and more.

[Political Commentator]

Paid training. A job and a path to America's future.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the future is for everyone.

[Adam Curry]

Learn [e-mail] Americas Workforce Academy by the way, I would go for it. I would highly recommend you go get trained by Zuckerberg and get paid.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a real thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I recommend it to two more in this.

[Adam Curry]

No, one more in this series. Just one further proving my point of the idiocy of the hyperscalers and the data centers. Lisa Su. Lisa Susan. Susan, who is the CEO of amd, she just did her big keynote, her Steve Jobs like keynote and her one more thing was this.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Now I would say this is pretty beautiful. Do you guys agree?

[Interviewer]

So let me tell you what it is.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

This is the smallest AI development system in the world, capable of running models

[Interviewer]

with up to 200 billion parameters locally,

[Adam Curry]

not connected to anything.

[Interviewer]

It's powered by our Highest end Ryzen

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

AI Max processor with 128 gigabytes of

[Interviewer]

high speed unified memory that is shared

[John C. Dvorak]

by cpu, GPU and NPC gpu.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

This architecture accelerates system performance and makes it possible to efficiently run large AI

[Interviewer]

models on a compact desktop PC that

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

fits in your hand.

[Adam Curry]

1900 bucks. We're getting there. This is going to be such a, such a meltdown when people start to figure this out. What does J.C. say?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's all in on the same thing.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Good.

[Adam Curry]

Makes me feel good.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has no, he has no qualms about that. Well, to change the subject again, we should probably at least discuss the big shot funeral that took place.

[Adam Curry]

The. Oh yes, yes.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

The.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this, this was rather interesting on the fourth of July as, as we had already accurately paid it didn't get the play that they wanted. You can't do a funeral. I can't have a funeral compete with 850,000 shells.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. But here's the BBC report.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

A massive funeral like this takes massive preparations, including centers like this rest station right on the outskirts of Tehran. There are lots of these inside the city as people come on these buses. One has just pulled up bringing Iranians from across this country here they can cue men in one line, women in the other to get food and water and to rest. They tell us they're heading to Tehran. They want to be able to go to the vast Masala complex where the former supreme leader is lying in state. And then on Monday, what's expected to be a huge procession carrying his coffins through the streets of Tehran. Millions are expected to turn out. Many will, but many won't, those who suffered during the restrictions and repression of his nearly four decades of rule. In the midst of this morning, this is an intensely political moment. You'll see on all of the photographs of the flags, a clenched fist, a symbol of resistance and also revenge, a message from the leaders of this Islamic Republic. The war assassinated their supreme leader and many others, but they're still standing and still in charge.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's interesting. That was the BBC take, who clearly want to continue to have the stranglehold on the Strait of Hormuz out of our hands. CNN had a rather different report up front.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Now, Nazeel Afathi, former and New York Times correspondent who is based in Iran for 10 years. Nazeel, we haven't seen or heard from the new supreme leader, Moshava Khamenei yet. So if he does not appear during this ceremonies, what is the message that sends?

[Interviewer]

Erika, I think that is the most striking absence that everybody's asking, where is he?

[Adam Curry]

What is the reason that he has

[Interviewer]

not made an appearance yet?

[Adam Curry]

Because even the head of the Revolutionary

[Interviewer]

Guards, Ahmad, who had not been seen in public since his appointment after Ayatollah Khamenei was killed, made an appearance at this funeral. How come he's not showing up for his father's, for his own daughter's funeral? And the only way that he has

[Adam Curry]

communicated has been through written messages. And if this funeral is expected to project an image of, of resilience, strength,

[Interviewer]

and also leadership transition, I don't think this messaging is complete without Khomeini's appearance during this funeral.

[Adam Curry]

A little different message. Of course, the guy, the guy may not even be alive, for all we know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I, I wonder myself, you know, Trump

[Adam Curry]

keeps saying, like, oh, there was a bit of regime change, new people, the old. We had the old killed the old people, then we killed the new old people. Now they're dead. Now. Got the new guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Kind of cavalier about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. He likes killing people.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a kind of the religious, I wouldn't call her a nutcase. But this woman who runs a Grace Ministries, Amanda Grace, has kind of not familiar with her. Well, you will be after you listen to this. This, this is, this is a rundown of what's, what's to come after the July 4th party.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Hello, everyone.

[Interviewer]

Amanda Grace here. Something fascinating is beginning today and actually converging with July 4th.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I have seen her. She has like a kind of a small room that she's. That she's standing in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Reporter]

Hello everyone.

[Interviewer]

Amanda, Grace here. Something fascinating is beginning today and actually conversing, converging with July 4th. That I believe we really need to pay attention to the fact that these events have converged together this particular year that is America's 250th anniversary. Let me explain. So the 17th of Tammuz on the Jewish calendar begins July 2, 2026.

[Adam Curry]

Can I just ask in advance, does this result in the Rapture at any point?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

It's a Jewish fast day commemorating the breach of the walls of Jerusalem before the destruction of the second temple. Now it marks the beginning of a three week period of mourning that leads to Tish Bav, or the ninth of.

[Reporter]

Of.

[Interviewer]

Now the ninth of all begins this year, July 22, 2026. It is considered the saddest day on the Jewish calendar on which they not only fast and pray, but they recognize that very serious world events occurred on the night of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of.

[Interviewer]

Some of them were the spies returned with a bad report. Both holy temples were destroyed. The Jews were expelled from England and from Spain. And World War I began. America's 250th anniversary this year falls within these three weeks of mourning between Tishba of and the 17th of Tammuz. I don't think that's an accident. I think we have to pay close attention to the fact that these two events are converging within this time. You know what else is happening too, within this three week morning period? The Ayatollah Ali Khomeini's funeral, which happens to begin July 4, 2026 and goes to July 9. Guess what July 4 is on the Islamic calendar. It is the 19th day of the first month, or 9 11, and it's concluding July 9, 7, 9. 1979 was the Iranian revolution. This is all happening within this three week period between the 17th of Tammuz and the 9th of. That's not an accident. We have to be heightened and alert, spiritually intercede and pray because there is a profound reason this is all converging.

[Adam Curry]

We're all gonna die. Yeah,

[John C. Dvorak]

I would have clipped that on myself.

[Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Well.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I expect Sir Brian of London to give us a full report and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he'll, he'll be glad to.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And he'll let us know if there's any truth to this but yes, you must be very careful be. We must be on alert.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm always on alert. Alert. So I, I do have one Ask Adam clip.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. I'm ready.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Before we play it, this is a clip you want to listen to. I want you to tell me what this is all about.

[Adam Curry]

And this is the 30 second clip. The Ask Adam, Ask Adam context.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Ask Adam context here.

[Adam Curry]

What is this about? Women's bodies have always been big, big business.

[Interviewer]

You can go back to the 90s.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

There was an obsession around being as thin as possible.

[Interviewer]

Fast Forward into the 2000s.

[Adam Curry]

We saw a lot of focus on

[Interviewer]

having big lips, tiny waist. Now the focus may be on being young forever, but it's always been a money making business. Is the difference now that young girls are being monetized? I mean, it strikes me that Ellie

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Mae has taken on a role as a money maker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Answer the question. Go.

[Adam Curry]

Can I hear the last, now that young girls. Can I hear the last 10 seconds?

[John C. Dvorak]

You can listen to it again if you want.

[Adam Curry]

I think I need a few more seconds of this clip. A lot of focus on having big lips, tiny waist.

[Interviewer]

Now the focus may be on being young forever, but it's always been a money making business. Is the difference now that young girls are being monetized? I mean, it strikes me that, that

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Ellie May has taken on a role as a money maker.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, can, is this it is either. I, I, I can. Is it a reboot of the Beverly Hillbillies? Billy's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that's out there. No, I admire that shot. That was a good one.

[Adam Curry]

He admires my shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's from Half Court.

[Adam Curry]

Shot in the dark. I did a granny style underhand. Is it about only fans?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. It sounds like it's about prostitution. What it's exactly about. And I took the, it's an out of context clip obviously, because I thought it was so fascinating the way they put everything. It's about preteen online influencers.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a big trend going on. This was a report from, I think npr.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or BBC, one of the two. But there's a whole bunch of these preteen online influencers that are paid to, to, you know, promote makeup or whatever. Yeah, for kids.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, for kids. Yeah. Sephora.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which brings us to another kind of a angle here. Just part of that clip. I have this Maha clip.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the Maha soda pop influencers clip.

[Reporter]

You know, last spring, something strange happened online. I want to share with everyone the moment Robert F. Kennedy moved, moved to pull soda off the food stamp thing.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this, this was a big to do. This is from several months, this is maybe almost a year ago. This thing that happened, a wave of

[Reporter]

influencers, dozens of them, just blew up their feeds overnight, outraged, all trying to defend soda. And I'm like, these are like dietitians, these are health gurus defending soda. All at the same time, within the LA, within the same 48 hours. I found that very odd. Almost every one of them just happened to mention the same thing. That president loves Diet Coke. I'm like, oh, interesting. This is probably not a grassroots reaction. This is a script. And if you pull the string on it, it comes out. Comes from a PR firm that has been quietly texting influencers. They're talking points and offering at the very bare minimum, 5,000. $5,000 a post.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was 5,000.

[Reporter]

But if you are a larger influencer, you can get 25,000, 50,000, a hundred, 100,000, even up to 500,000 or more per post. And I'm not kidding, that's like a lot of money involved in this. So, so there. And the problem is their posts are not mentioning that they're being paid. So unfortunately, you know, it's like you got to be suspicious of these posts because it all seemed to be attacking at the same time. But here's what people need to understand. This is like the, the normal now and online influence. Influence is the product. You can buy it by the post. And the overwhelming majority of marketers now run influencing or influencer campaigns. It's a multi billion dollar machine.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And from what I understand after this came out that most of these influencers were paid and didn't disclose it. Then there was a whole wave of them apologizing like, hey, I took this money. I really shouldn't have. I feel bad about it because they were all exposed. Yeah, this is what. Hey, the same way that they're paid to influence soda pop, they can be paid to influence elections, they can be paid to influence all kinds of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

And quite frankly, I think that's our exit strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

We might as well just sell out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm thinking we can probably do influence campaigns for coffee, for chocolate, for honey products.

[John C. Dvorak]

Honey. Honey products.

[Adam Curry]

Honey for resumes that get results. I mean, hey, maybe, maybe I should just thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in 128 gigabytes of CPU, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. The word.

[John C. Dvorak]

You miss shampoo in the morning, our ship. See Boost, Graphite in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there in the morning

[Adam Curry]

to the Soul Room. Hold on a second.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Soul.

[Adam Curry]

I got to count you.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Hold on.

[Reporter]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

1471. That's more than I expected on this Fourth of July weekend, which I would like to remind everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're working.

[Adam Curry]

We're working Fourth of July weekend. I'm working. Here it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

10:00pm yeah, you actually flew to. You're in it. Not even. You're not only working, you're working in another country.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. In a different time zone. And I really should be here hanging out with my daughter. But no, sorry, I can't come visit you Thursday or Sunday. Sorry. I know I'm only 40 minutes away, but, you know, got to work. We have a public service people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you're 40 minutes for.

[Adam Curry]

Away from Rotterdam? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I thought you were staying in Rotterdam near them.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, we're staying in Amsterdam. We're right near the museum plane, the Rijksmuseum. Rijksmuseum. The Van Gogh Museum, the Staedlich Museum, which is modern art. And then they have the Moko Moko. And that's like they say they have a Banksy and some other stuff there, I don't know, isn't in a Banksy. Doesn't have to be attached to a wall or something. Something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You have to take the wall down generally.

[Adam Curry]

So no, but it's important to us because we know that people rely on, certainly 1400 people rely on us doing it live at this hour. At this hour. And we're happy that they're listening, and they're probably [e-mail] or on a modern podcast app, because you're just wasting your time with the legacy apps. First of all, you're never going to get a bad signal. You're not going to know that we went live, and you certainly aren't being able to listen to the live stream in your modern podcast app. And you know, we have a troll room, which is our studio audience. They hang out. And if you can't, even if you can't, when we publish the show within 90 seconds because of the pod ping technology that all these modern podcast apps are using. And it's now we're decentralized, decentralizing this pod ping stuff even more. And people can even participate. Participate with a. With a gossip listener. So we are really taking the power away from ourselves. Actually, we're taking podcast index. We're going to decentralize that it'll all be in dht, which is distributed hash space. So the whole podcast universe will be distributed and uncorruptible and that will be the only media distribution format of its kind that can do that. And we will make zero money from it, which is kind of. Kind of weird but also kind of fun. So I hope everyone appreciates that. I know you do, John.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And I think I should get a Nobel Prize.

[John C. Dvorak]

I always appreciate the not making money part. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You always try to tell me to reevaluate my choices in life so you can get a modern podcast app@podcast apps.com now we have made our own speaking of money, our own vow to not succumb to commercial interests and only work in a value for value model. Which means we give you our full program, everything we have twice a week, the full Monty. No expectations up front. Front. All we always suggest is that you think about the value you have received, which can be, you know, would you please take the value pitch because I asked you to do that last week and I think you should do it again this week. You're pretty good at it. People are tired of hearing me say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're good at you. You bit but it's. It's just kind of. Well, you kind of.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

You.

[John C. Dvorak]

You give it in such a way that it's relaxing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I need to talk about it is because the idea is, is that we, we produce a very elaborate product that people are kind of stunned by how professional it is and then we give it away. And we just hope to God that people make the realization that the reason that we're giving it away is because we can't do this any other way. And be honest because if you have advertisers or corporate interests, you have to cater to them. Even though. Though you sometimes will do it so subtly you maybe make it sound as though you're not doing it, but you have to do it. You have to knuckle under. Have you one way shape or form?

[Adam Curry]

Have you tried that new Coke Zero?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, like that. So it's delicious. So there's a lot of the honesty factor. It depends on whether you want to. We're the only podcast that really does this well. Well because we're very sincere about. Other people try to do half baked, value for value. Some people are. Are reticent about it, some people are shy about it. That's the real problem. Oh God. I don't want to have to ask for money. Oh, I'm Asking for money, but I don't want to. Then they go to Patreon. I don't want to use Patreon.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And then give 30 to Patreon or whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they give a bunch of money to Patreon, then they get a check in the mail. Then Patreon can cut them off and.

[Adam Curry]

And yes, Patreon. Patreon. Yes, Patreon can cut them off. And Patreon. You have to have levels. They kind of force the. I don't think you can just willy nilly give any rando donation. I think you have to have a level.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the other thing. We've actually pioneered the rando donation where you give whatever you feel like. What do you think? What is it worth to you? Now, the idea, of course, to be honest about it, is that it maybe gives people the, you know, they might get loose and say, well, I'm going to give it a little more than I normally got. $50. I give them 55 people or 5001. Do you feel I want to get high on that list?

[Adam Curry]

Do you feel loose?

[John C. Dvorak]

5,005, that's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

It's a super high quality product. You had me at super high quality product. Really? That's. That's where you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Super high quality product. Every once in a while somebody will comment about it. They say, how do you guys do this? That you're not in the same room, you don't rehearse, you don't practice, and you're like remote and you go for three hours yakking away about these various topics and it is smooth and sounds like you've been doing it forever. Well, that's because we've been doing it forever. We've been doing it for 19 years. If you don't have it down by now, you're never going to get it down. So that's what value for value is all about.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. So you can support us in a number of ways. Time and talent and treasure. Now, the time and talent part is critical to the model. We have never called our listeners listeners, or as Rogan calls them, fans. No, you are producers. Everyone has an obligation and not everybody has a time or a talent in their mix. Some people are very good. Well, it's actually interesting because everybody has a specialty and that's why we have such interesting boots on the ground. Reports from. Oh, man. People in aviation, people in medicine, people in education, broadcasting. People in broadcasting, people in carpentry, people in welding, people in trucking, people in. You can't name a Location. Yes. You can't name a vocation that we don't have. Someone out there who is an expert in the field and is happy to share their experience with. Actually got a boots on the ground from the anonymous air traffic controller about that incur, that almost incursion where we had one plane incoming and the other plane took off after like 30 seconds of getting clearance and so the then the incoming plane had to do a go around and pulled up so it didn't crash into him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And I said, you know, hey, I'm kind of, kind of disappointed that you didn't know. None of our air traffic controllers wrote in. So I'll just read what he wrote in finishing 1881 regarding the near miss and ATC. These things in my opinion are a culmination of things all resulting from COVID where one to two year pilots were promoted after large amounts of retirements occurred through the scam tax. Also during those years the FAA implemented cpdlc controller pilot data link communications, basically text messaging from air traffic control to pilots. Now with the recurring knowledge on the topic of screens and smartphones destroying our younger generation's ability to do anything outside of drool and scroll. It's got an image. Imagine a system where air traffic control and pilots don't have to talk to each other for a majority of the flight. Everything is done over text messages. Message, click accept and the plane does it. This is true. No one has thought through the impact it's going to have when you eliminate the constant need to listen and respond in a timely manner. The result is delays in response and slower attention spans. Quote oh, when ATC sends me the next text command, I just push the button. It's noticeable. Pilots are slow to respond. Sometimes called three to four times before acknowledging. This doesn't exclude controller. Making the job more efficient with tech takes away from what actually gets the job done. The God given ability to speak. Post Covid freeze hires are unwilling to do the study to study the point. Oh, so post Covid freeze hires are unwilling to study the 0.65 to know the rules. Not sure what that means. So he winds up by saying no agenda pilots do better. No agenda control. Pull your heads out and do the job. Stop relying on a computer system to do your job. Thank you for your courage. The anonymous controller. Kind of a concerning note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'd say it bothers me hearing it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, but that's the kind of quality analysis you get on the no agenda show from our producers. Now you can also organize a meetup. There's a lot of things you can do. We do need to pay bills. And that's where this value for value comes for value, often enumerated in cold, hard cash. Don't send your water, your blankets. We just want your cash. But first, we got to thank a talent, and that is the artwork that always gets attention. We have no agenda. Artgenerator.com. that is where you can upload your usually AI prompted artwork. And if we choose it, we're happy to give you credit. And we thank Blue Acorn for making the traditional kind of cheesecakey, although it was in a classic style. A classic Almost like. Would you call this 1960s or 1940s? This.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would say, pinup style. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So 40s, kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vargas.

[Adam Curry]

Vargas, yeah. Varga girl. Yes.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

Varga girl.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. America 250. No agenda. You got the Varga girl, you got the eagle, you got some. You got a flag. You got some fire fireworks. It worked for us. And a lot of people had this similar idea. If we go look at the Art Generator to evaluate other pieces. We looked at. Let me see. We had. Happy to. We had the Ferret, a lot of Ferris wheel. Francisco Scaramanga added Ovadge. No, I'm not going to use that. That. Was there anything else we liked? I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not really. You were actually complaining.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I usually do complain. I usually complain about the artwork. Now, this was good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the comic strip bloggers, which was used in the newsletter. The second iteration of Happy 250 with the roller coaster, which was stolen from apparently Nessworks, who did an earlier version in the timeline. So he repromped it wasn't as good.

[Adam Curry]

He re prompted an old prompt. Oh, this is interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know how he managed to do it exactly the same. Or maybe unless he fed the original art into the thing and said, do it better.

[Adam Curry]

Or maybe just use the same model and poop that out. Maybe that's also possible. Well, Blue Acorn, we appreciate you. Thank you very much for your support with the time and talent you put into it. Now we're going to thank the financial producer producers who gave us their treasure, and we thank everybody. $50 and above. We do have some guidelines for ourselves here. We like to read notes, and we read every single note above. $200 guaranteed. We may pick one or two out under the 200 level. And that's just for time's sake. If you're fortunate enough to Support us with $200 or more, then not only will we read your note, we'll also give you an official Hollywood title of Associate Executive Producer. And those are real titles, real credits. You can put it in IMDb.com, it's accepted there. It looks great on your LinkedIn, et cetera. You could say you're an Exec. If it's $300 or more, you can say, I'm an executive producer of the no Agenda podcast and I'm a podcast consultant. And then you can send people emails and they will hire you. Haven't you received many of these? Consultant the messages on LinkedIn you get more than.

[John C. Dvorak]

You get a bunch of them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, my email. I don't know if you. My email has. Somehow they got my name off of a podcast list or there's some hot list that is going around and it's just, I mean, you can't, you can't junk. Well, it's all, you know, talk to this guy, you know, he wrote a book like Thom Hartman. I forwarded that one to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I saw the Tom Hartman one you should interview. What I sent you back was the great crash of 2017, the authoritative Thom Hartman.

[Adam Curry]

I get a lot of those, probably 10, 15 a day. And they have pretty good subject lines. I'm like, is this from a producer? Ah, you open up right away. Ah, it's one of those.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got to bounce. I don't know if your email system can do it. I know mine can. I know Google doesn't do it. You send a reader, but you have to. If you bounce the sender as though that they're. They're. That the email is invalid, you just. It'll usually take you off that list, whatever it is.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's a good idea. Okay, I'll talk to Void zero.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he'll get you bounced.

[Adam Curry]

So let's start with our top executive producer today who came in with a show number donation. This happens. Hasn't happened in a while. And it gets tougher the longer we continue the show. $1,883. This is Show 1883 coming from Commodore Archduke of Central Florida. He's in Winter Park, Florida. He says, John and Adam, Happy Belated 4th of July from the Archduke of Central Florida. No jingles, no karma. Wishing the best to the no Agenda community and we thank you. That is very kind of you. Thank you very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Scott Floyd from Clayton, California comes in with 300 and he becomes the only other executive producer. Grateful for you guys. Thanks for the thoughtful insights on M5 MSM behavior, life, faith and celebrating our amazing country. Appreciate that you keep it real and are part of my weekly routine. Glad for John's health and recovery. And Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm a part of it. Thank you. Onto our associate executive producers. I believe these are $250. 250 for America's 250th birthday plus the fees. We appreciate that. William Alston in El Paso, Texas. And he says Happy 250 USA.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Chris Caria in Boise, Idaho. 2 5794. Happy 4th of July to Dame Jen from Idaho and. And Inch Lynch, Inch inch into all my family and friends in and out of Idaho, including my no Agenda family. Hip hip hooray.

[Adam Curry]

And here comes the question. What language do they speak in Idaho?

[John C. Dvorak]

Idaho.

[Adam Curry]

That's right. Duke Sir Dr. Sharkey in St. Peter's Missouri. 257.94. That's a happy birthday 250America. Plus plus fees. Thank you. Today I proclaim that you are not just the best podcast in the universe, but you are the best podcast in the best country in the universe. Woohoo. Thank you for what you do. Love, Duke Sir Dr. Sharkey, Secretary General of FEMA Regions 4 and 7 in

[John C. Dvorak]

St. Peter's Missouri Towers Comics in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta, Canada comes in with the 257.95. Yay Canada. Thanks for the great show.

[Adam Curry]

All right, Canada, Sir Bebop night of the frozen tundra. 250 straight up for the birthday. New Brighton, Minnesota. Small business karma jingles. Please just send your cash. I think that sounds pretty good. And it's true. I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just send your cash.

[Adam Curry]

I think that sounds pretty good.

[Political Commentator]

That's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got Karma, Brian Sorenson and Havra, Montana. 250 jingles. L. Sharpton and any R2D 2 karma. This will push my oldest son Christian over the threshold for knighthood. Accounting and night requests will follow. All right, so he won't be on today's list. Is that what we're.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Not today.

[John C. Dvorak]

What we understand. Understand?

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

For now, just know that we love and respect the both of you and all you do. Happy 2-50th all. Oh. Oh.

[Adam Curry]

And well, you're in luck. We have a brand new Al Sharpton nut job clip of why that they're

[Comic Strip Blogger]

having these fights on the.

[Adam Curry]

On the White house lawn, the UFO and all the UF, whatever they call it. You've got

[Political Commentator]

karma.

[Adam Curry]

250 from Richard McCutcheon in Odenton, Maryland. No note. So that means he deserves a double up karma. You've got double up karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jill Price in McKinney, Texas.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

250.

[John C. Dvorak]

Happy 250 Birthday America. This is also a make good for Father's Day. I lost my dad quite suddenly on Christmas day. He was 91. Good boy. He was the very best dad and loved America more than anyone will ever know. He could never quite understand how to listen to the show, being 91 and all, but he was always so impressed with how aware I was of everything going on. Even though I refused to watch the news 247 or even at all. I also give props to you too. Well, I know I'll always give props to you too. Thanks for helping me make my dad proud. Adam, please shake your rain stick for Colorado and Utah. They're both on fire. My very favorite place in the world, Leadville, Colorado is burning in front of my eyes. They must get rain. Thanks for all you do. Here's to four more years. Jill Price, Dame fair weather friend.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is a problem because, let me see. I don't have my rainstick with me. Do you want to shake your rainstick?

[John C. Dvorak]

I can do it.

[Adam Curry]

Let me see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's you know who sent us these rainsticks?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what that was. I thought I had maybe a rain sticks. I think you should give it a good two shakes of the rain stick and focus it. Remember, it's always the back end, so focus the back end towards Colorado. Oh, there it goes.

[John C. Dvorak]

One more.

[Adam Curry]

Whoa. Okay, now everybody look out because these things do tend to ricochet around the country. So we hope that helps. And if not, send us another donation. I'll do it when I get at home. Sir Lairon in Dothan, Alabama.

[John C. Dvorak]

What about La Jolla? Oh, I'm sorry, you're right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, what about you? Just let me do my job, Sir Lay Ron and Dothan Albert.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I did that, what would I have to do?

[Adam Curry]

Nothing. Also, that's our last Happy birthday donation. $250 he says. Still here, still love the show. Happy 4th, Sir Lairon from Dothan, Alabama. Thank you. And it's good to know you're still here.

[John C. Dvorak]

La Jolla Salt in La Jolla, California. This is the salt guys. Your buddies?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

Hey, I need one of these. Send me one one of these mahjong tiles. I'll give it to Tina so you can impress her friends. Do you get to just take your own ma? Oh, she's got her headphones on. She's doom scrolling on Instagram. She doesn't. She's in the same room as I'm producing the show and doesn't listen to the show. This is my life. This is my Life. It is 10:30. Andrew Snyder in Puya Puya Puyallup. How do I pronounce this in Wall Puyallup, WA2011. Seems a bit long, but here we go. Hello listeners and producers of the best podcast in the universe. This is my first non anonymous donation. Please de douche me.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've been de douched.

[Adam Curry]

Jcd. I'm very happy you're alive and kicking. My wife's reaction to the news was he should have had more kale. Oh, where is that jingle?

[Reporter]

Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

More kale. We haven't played that one in a long time.

[Reporter]

So have more kale. Have more kale. Have more kale. Have more kale. Have more kale. Have more kale.

[Adam Curry]

Have more kale. Have more kale.

[Reporter]

Have more kale.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

You will obey.

[Reporter]

Have more kale.

[John C. Dvorak]

You will obey.

[Adam Curry]

Classic. Classic. She's a keeper to be sure, he says. Adam, thanks for all your contributions to the world. World. Without exaggeration, I think podcasting is one of the most important innovations in history. As my mom's widower said. Hey man, did you get any royalties from that thing? No. Well, I've got everyone's ear. Wouldn't it be great to add Spanish speaker to your Linda Liu resume? Ah, this is a cross promotion item we've got going on here. Okay. Spanish Speaker Tacoma Language Academy offers live online Spanish learning for adults. And we have a free Spanish playlist placement quiz. It only takes a few minutes and you'll get a rough level estimate plus a recommended next step. Whether you're starting from zero, getting back into Spanish, or trying to finally speak with more confidence, the quiz will point you in the right direction. Go to www.tacomalanguageacademy.com na and if value for value, Spanish learning is more your jam. I also make an interactive Spanish learning podcast called Listen, Read and Interact Find it in podcasting 2.0 on legacy podcast apps or@listen read interact.com well, I wouldn't mind learning a little bit of.

[John C. Dvorak]

We could all use a little. We should all speak Spanish.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think we should. I. I could do with a little bit of Spanish in my life.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm in California. You're in Texas.

[Adam Curry]

These are the two states we should be. We should be able to speak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Should both be speaking, at least be bilingual states? Yes, although it's not that important. Linda Lupatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado. What is important is Linda Lou Patkin in Castle Rock, Colorado. 200 bucks jobs karma. Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com Linda helps professionals and executives position their experience so employers see the value. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Interviewer]

Best Linda, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs and 200 comes in from Austin Allen in Roseville, California. And he says, Happy 250s, gents. I felt it was necessary to become a knight and join the no Agenda roundtable table before my child, hopefully a son this time, is born next month. Oh boy, the due date is coming in hot. August 8th. At the round table, I'd like Blanton's single barrel Kentucky Bourbon and a large slab of raw salmon and salad to keep me from joining the triple bypass surgery gang. I've taken John's tip and started taking magnesium to keep my heart in good condition so I can be there as long as I can for my kids, kids and future grandkids. I'd like to be known as Sir Sofa King Pool. Sir Sofa King Pool. Bless you both and long live the no Agenda podcast. Goat Karma and turning the frogs Gay. Stay chlorinated, says your favorite pool guy, Austin. I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs gay. You've got

[Political Commentator]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And last on the list, we have an anonymous donation that seems so anyway, from Strike came through as a bitcoin donation for $200. So whoever that is out there, here's a double up. Karma for you.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, you've got

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

karma.

[Adam Curry]

Now I have a feeling. I have a feeling that was actually someone in the troll room room who was complaining about us losing their donation. So if you want to raise your hand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's possible.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I'm not sure what happened. Raise your hand and. And I will. I will. Thank you personally. But if you don't raise your hand or if you're gone already, then it's too late. So that is. See, that's it, right? Yeah. That's our executive and associate executive producers. Oh, yes, sir. Servant. So we think it was Survivor. So I'm gonna give Survivor a little bit of karma here. Thank you for that donation. You've got karma. And that wraps up. Let me actually put it in here. Let me put in Survivor. Survivor vior. Survivor. I hope that's him. Okay. And that wraps up our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1883. Again, these credits that you. You get are real and you can use them anywhere. Credits are recognized. Make it a hobby. Make it a business. Put it on IMDb.com but above all, know that you've supported the work we do as a public service, and we appreciate you.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave. Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

So he says. He says, I got an email from Jay. I sent a note with a special request. Still haven't received my. Oh, this is someone else. Mine was a switcheroo with a note. Well, then we'll just leave it in abeyance. And now that you're in contact with Jay, everything will work out just fine. We'll do it on Thursday show. Thank you. Now the rest of our supporters, $50 and above, Sir Stregalicious Stregolic in Racine, Wisconsin, 16424. And he says, Happy belated Canuck Day in America's 250th. James Green, Elfland, North Carolina, 123.45. Love those sequences. My semiannual weekly dose. Semi weekly dose of the BS outside my bubble. Thanks, Costas Blaturas Blasuras Blachuras, Aldergrove, British Columbia, 1776. $117.76. God bless America and no agenda. And calling out Chris the Irish as a douchebag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douchebag.

[Adam Curry]

You got it. Jason Shepard, Trinidad, Colorado. $80.76. Sir Kevin McLaughlin. There he is from Concord, North Carolina, with the boob donation. $80.08. 8008. He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. And he says, God bless America. Land that I love. Oh, yay. And boobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, this is after the 4th of July and I'm reminding him to upgrade to He's a grand duke.

[Adam Curry]

He's a grand duke, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he refuses to take the title until after the fourth. He says, oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well then we need jingles for these people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we needed a jingle for him

[Adam Curry]

and there was another jingle we had that we needed for some somebody who was also a Grand Duke. We got to keep track of this. Kenny Halstead is in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. Also a boob donation. Happy 250America. Thanks for the show. Brandon Lockley of Sugar Hill, Georgia. 77.7. I see what you're doing. A completely no name here with 7644. Thanks. That worked out great. Sir Bernie atema in Hinton, Iowa. 7. 72. And he says here's 72. To mark my 72nd year today of the sun's track across the flat plain. Please give me a birthday shout out and I wish God's blessing to you both. Thank you very much. And you are on the list, Sir Jamo, Lewiston, Idaho. 69. 33. Chad Hewitt, Folsom, California. 6,640. Yes. 66 books, 40 authors. God bless, he says. David Cox, Austin, Texas. 63. 25. Sir Burns in Coston, British Columbia. 58. He said a good future. Quick note from a Canadian living in B.C. i encounter lots of anti American bigotry in my day to day. It's casual and almost assumed by some people that I too hate America and Americans. Well, I guess you don't. But we don't hate Canadians either. You should tell them off. Sir Dancing Mike in Maryville, Tennessee. 5656. That's a birthday donation from Sir Dancing Mike to his smoke and hunter hot wife Dame Denise of Maryville, who turns 56 but today July 5. William Goonan in Henderson, Nevada. 55. 35. Michael Elmore in Gastonia, North Carolina. Double nickels on the dime. 5510. Sir Salvaron, Silver Spring, Maryland. 5430. He says Happy 4th and 5th of July, Commodore T, Y N J X NJ 8X. He's in Somerville, Tennessee. 54. 30. Pete Lachance in Oviedo, Florida. 5377. Thank you for standing up for the greatest nation the world has ever known. Sir Ortega, Sioux Falls, South Dakota 52 73. Jack Schofield, 52 72. Richard J. Lindquist, Squim, Washington. 5272. Dame Nancy of the Confused from San Bruno, California. 5244. She says thanks for working on the holiday weekend. ITM from Dame Nancy. Thank you, Dame Nancy. Eric hochul in Melrose, Deutschlands. 52. The cleaner in Fouquet, Varina Phuket, Varina, N.C. 5150. And he wants to wish his beautiful wife Gina Bobina Fofina a very happy birthday. Her birthday is tomorrow, July 6th. I'd also like to send this donation to support her favorite podcast in celebration of her favorite day. So the cleaner may or may not listen, but she does nice. Peter Meir could be meyer in Houston, Texas. 50. These are the 50s. Love listening to you guys after all this time. John is so smart. And Adam, you're a great storyteller, especially the travel stories. Four more years. Foster Birch, New York, N.Y. 50. Grant Caldwell in Cave Creek, Arizona. Who says? I tell everyone who listen. Who will listen or not about no agenda. Keep it up. Sir. Alex zavala in Kyle, Texas. 50 grand. Good to hear from you, Alex. Jorge Hernandez in Lake Stevens, Washington, also 50. Dr. Sir, you know Commodore 128 in Tigard, Oregon. 50. And well, he is a Commodore, he says. Requesting the best and greatest. Trump's PPP jobs. TPP jobs, karma. You have. Let's see, we do break for these kinds of people. TPP jobs, karma. Yes. And prayers. I have been out of work since October, right when my wife was six months pregnant with our fourth human resource. The good news is we now have a very healthy baby girl who is almost six months old. Oh, John, Dame Yano wants you to know that Mah Jong is very popular in California. In fact, that is exactly how her grandma pays for Christmas gifts for the whole family. If there is time, Dame Yano would love to hear the Yano jingle. And you really stretch catching it here. Yeah. No, you know. Okay. With all that said, please accept this double $25 donation from the two of us. Thank you for your courage. Okay, well, we'll do this for you. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

No, no. Yeah.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

And we wind it up with Greg P. Wadby in Peterborough. Peter. Peterborough. Oh N. It's got to be Ontario, but it says U. Yes, so something's wrong there. He says sorry aboot missing a Don donation on Canada Day. Hey, thanks again for the Canadian content and all you do. Happy 4th of July and God bless. And that wraps up our executive associate, executive producers and everybody $50 and above. But we always love seeing those 49.99. We don't read anything under that for reasons of anonymity. And those who do that understand why we appreciate every single donation, any amount. It all matters go to noagendadonations.com we take every single form of payment you can imagine, especially checks. We love the check sent to the PO Box. Could even Send cash if want to. It's all good. And if you want to, you can set up a recurring donation. That means any amount, any frequency is all up to you. No agenda donations dot com. And here's our list. Sir Dancing Mike. His smoking hot wife, Dame Denise of Maryville turns 56 today. We say happy birthday to her. The cleaner wishes his beautiful wife, Gina Bobina. Yeah. A very happy when she celebrates tomorrow. And Sir Bernie adama is turning 72 years old. So happy birthday to all of you from the best podcast in the universe. And we have one night. Oh, there we go. One night to bring up on the podium. Do you have your blade by any chance?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got it right here.

[Adam Curry]

That's a handsome one.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

All right. Awesome.

[Adam Curry]

You did it, man. It is time for you to become a knight of the no Agenda Roundtable. And I am therefore very proud to pronouncate thee as Sir Sofa King Pool. Yes. Welcome to the roundtable of the Knights and dames. For you we have hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay Blanton single barrel Kentucky bourbon with a large slab of raw salmon and salad. Mmm, tasty. Along with that, in case you want some. Some beer and blunts, Ruben has women in Rose Gaston and sake, Vodka and vanilla bongheads and bourbon, sparkling cider nescores, Gin driddle and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And of course we've got some mutton and mead always here at the round table ready for you. While you're enjoying that, I will tell everyone who is not yet a knight or dame that you can go to noagendaring.com just to take a look at these beautiful signet rings. You can go there to give us your rings size. Use the handy ring sizing guide on the website and tell us where to send it. We'll get that off to you as soon as possible. The new shipment came in. It's a complicated premium we have here because of ring sizes. You don't want to order too many of one size. So we always try to kind of get the things that we need. So it's not easy. So if you waited for a couple of weeks or longer and if you haven't heard from us, send a note to note at no agenda notesoagendashow.com and there you go.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

That's our.

[Adam Curry]

That's our. Those are our nights. That's our nights. That's our birthdays. We did all the producers. I know what it's time for. We got a couple of meetups. Coming this month with force first, we have a meetup report. This is from Raleigh, North Carolina, their July 2nd meetup.

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

This is Sir James at the Saints

[Adam Curry]

and Scholars in Raleigh for our every month meetup. We got about 10 people, all the old favorites and a couple of new people showed up.

[Political Commentator]

Hey, this is Sir David Killian of Illinois Prairie. I'm just happy to be here from Illinois. Just driving through and wanting to meet these awesome people. Thank you. It ain't easy when you're greasy.

[Interviewer]

Sir Jerry girl, itm John and Adam. We're connecting for protecting with the regular.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a newbie.

[Interviewer]

Thank you for your courage.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, this is Christine. I've been coming to this meetup for a few years now and it has kept my sanity in check. I look forward every month to these meetings because these are a great group

[Mira Mandani (New York City Mayor)]

of freaks and geeks.

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

And anybody who hasn't come to a

[Adam Curry]

meetup yet, please go, because you will find community, you will find connection. And I'm so grateful for this group. Hey, this is Ben, an Englishman that has escaped the United Kingdom for the beautiful state of North Carolina. Connection is protection. Absolutely love this meetup on a monthly basis.

[Political Commentator]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, hey, it's Ty from Saints and Scholars. And are we a great group of people or what? Yeah, we're a great group of people.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Nothing?

[Adam Curry]

All right. The connection is really bringing some protection there in Raleigh. Fantastic. Thank you very much. Coming up this month in five days from now. Oh, we have the July 10th meetup in Monlezun, in guerres in France with the Baroness Isabel, who sent me a very nice note about hooking us up. If we want to come to France, it won't be on this trip. Baroness Isabel maybe on the next one. July 11th, Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Also on the 11th, Eagle, Idaho, Scottsdale, Arizona on the 14th. Asheville, North Carolina and Charlotte, North Carolina beach back to back on the 15th and the 16th. Leo Bravo makes Anaheim, California very dangerous on the 25th and 30th July, Alpharetta, Georgia. Many more to be found including Bangkok, Thailand on the 8th. We have other diverse places such as Boise, Idaho on September 12th. There's a lot of meetups. Just go to Noah dinner meetups.com. you can search by zip code, by day, by calendar, just to find something near you. This is a great opportunity to meet people you probably wouldn't meet otherwise. We have such a diverse group of producers. You can hang out with them, talk about. You can feel safe about talking about anything you want to. No one's going to laugh at you. No one's going to excoriate you. There's nothing but respect of these things. I've never ever received a note that said, man, that meetup sucked. I didn't feel right. No, Never go to noahgenameups.com Connection is protection. That's what you get there. These people will be your first responders in any emergency. If you can't find one on the calendar or near you, start one yourself. It's super easy. It's free to do and we love it when you do noagendameetups.com sometimes you want to go hang out with all

[Reporter]

the nights and days.

[Adam Curry]

You want to be where you you want me triggered on Hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party.

[Adam Curry]

And before we get to our very nice end of show mixes and John's tip of the day, it's time to select the ISO for the end of the show. I came with nothing today, so you win by default. We just have to choose which fake voice we're going to use.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fake? I got these from Trump Speak speech.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Start with the 250.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

I want to wish no agenda and the producers A happy 250th USA anniversary.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Wow, that's so cool. You got it from his speech. I must have missed that part. It was during the lightning storm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you were. You didn't get to catch the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that was, that was nice when he did that.

[Adam Curry]

It was very, very kind of him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And here's another one from Trump.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Don and Adam are the best podcasters out there. So donate to this show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm conflicted because we really.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don and Adam are.

[Adam Curry]

How come it got cut off? You need. You need to have the. The bot. Put a little more breath at the beginning and the end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don and Adam.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds like Don.

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

Don and Adam are the best podcasters out there. So donate to the show.

[Adam Curry]

I think we'll do that one just to piss you off. It's Don and Adam. Yeah, Don and Adam, everybody. Hey, right now it is is time for John's tip of the day.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Great advice for you and me.

[Adam Curry]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

This comes from one of our knights and this is a knights only tip of the day for the nights out there. People that got the nights. Yeah, this is. And he sent. We had a convincing argument why I should make this tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is an electric wave wax and this is what you look it up and Amazon has it. They're $8.98.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, what a deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Electric wax seal warmer. Oh, it's a seal kit with tweezers and a tool and the whole thing. And your little round thing where you can pour the hot wax into the, to make the circle and you can stamp it with your, with your night

[Adam Curry]

ring so you're not messing around with a lighter and dripping.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're not burning yourself, you're not burning the wax. Wax. It's a wax melter.

[Adam Curry]

That's a great idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good, a little wax melter for people out there who like to use the wax that you get with the ring.

[Adam Curry]

That is an outstanding tip. I, I think that's not that, but

[John C. Dvorak]

you get some more, you get additional melting wax seal sticks.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. There's nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You get some wax beads. If you want to use them.

[Adam Curry]

You get some beads.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody wants beads.

[Adam Curry]

You can't lose everybody. If you want to fight to find out more, go to tipoftheday.net or noagendafun.com.

[John C. Dvorak]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

All right. Going on 11pm here in the lowlands, we'll be probably not hitting the bed until about 12.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time to go to bed.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, so these good people can go home. Is what my, my grandfather would say. Woman, it's time to go to bed so these good people can go home. But you should not go home because if you stay tuned to the no agenda stream, we've got, oh, that Larry show coming up next and he's doing America's 250th. I love me some Larry. Larry's got a good vibe going on. So listen to that. And end of show mixes. We've got Brian Bryporian, Johnny B. And just Baker in the mix. MVP sent one that was a little too X rated. It was too much language. John would have hated it. Didn't even want to submit you to listening to that. And we will return. I still will be in the Netherlands awaiting the grandbaby. More pizza, kitties. More pizza coming to you from the museum square district right here in the heart of Amsterdam, the Netherlands. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry

[John C. Dvorak]

and from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

We'll be back on Thursday. Remember in the meantime, to support the [e-mail] until then, adios mofos, whoi hooey and such.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Yo, yo, yo, happy fourth. Like the fuse let us park 250

[John C. Dvorak]

years and we're still in the park.

[Comic Strip Blogger]

Adam and John got the mics on fire Working through the holiday never gonn tired Red white blue got the newsletter drop no agenda crew and the show don't stop Producers in the house everybody wave celebrating freedom while the pod gets saved no ads, no suits, no corporate drama Just curry and Dvorak causing friendly drama Breaking down the headlines, cutting through the fog Independent media baby, that's the job Everybody talking about the latest scene psyops politics and everything between One side mad, one side loud Everybody post for the algorithm crowd Comic strip blogger got the artwork clean memes in the newsletter, know what I mean? Hypocrite of the week yeah somebody wants funny how it happens every week for fun no ads, no ads, no suits, no corporate drama just cover any vote by causing friendly trauma Breaking down the headlines, cutting through the fog Independent media baby that's the job value for value let me say it real quick if the shows got worth then return a little bit too 50th anniversary donation if you're able Every dime helps keep the microphone stable Paypal, stripe stripe send a check in the mail Bitcoin on strike if the fiat system fail Executive producer put it on your bio lifetime credit let the whole world know 33, 33 monthly if you're lucky 4 bucks a week if you're feeling kind of plucky 50 bucks a month knighthood on layaway or a random V4V donation any day no advertisers telling them what to say no corporate masters getting in the way Support the show, keep the freedom in play no gender nation that's the value for value way. Welcome in America People come for see but what then fine

[Adam Curry]

reality

[Comic Strip Blogger]

World cup popping on the M5M international love for the American can believe I fell for the lies again Nothing like reality when it breaks illusion passport stamp no made upon land everything different from the television plan you said watch out but my sh. Know me Wonder who been writing the program One story online, one story in the street One makes fear One makes you meet good people Big sky barbecue smoke Truth got rhythm and illusion broke reaction reality louder than the TV sound Truth is different when you're walking underground who you gonna believe the story they soul and the things that you see Open your eyes like the prejudice fall turns out where does people after all let's experience sleep the real world's got a different beat Louder than your TV sound Truth is different when you're walking underground now hey now who you going to believe the story they sold Other things that you will see open your eyes that the Prejudice fall Turns out we're just people after all let's experience lead the real world's got a different meat Reality louder truth is different Reality

[Adam Curry]

louder

[Comic Strip Blogger]

truth is different Same potato salad in Brussels in your backyard same chunks of celery same globalist lard melting in the heat dome like it's part of the plan Push it faster till it gives the whole country the trots man. They got the exact same recipe from Ottawa to Canberra Even the paprika ratio with suspiciously similar Open border under onions perna croutons on top Socialist mayo so thick it'll make your sovereignty stop Heat wave hit it now it's turning into soup GOP 1 in the potato salad got the whole party on the stoop Explosive diarrhea at the 250th barbecue while the moderate potato salad got swapped out for the extreme version too Shapiro tried to bring a level headed bowl Little less woke little more American soul but they replaced replaced it with the coordinated one over nine now every spoonful's whispering you will own nothing and be happy all right it's so absurd it's wearing the name tag that says psyop Pushing the agenda one scoop at a time till the whole country soft the only way to beat it is to put out even more Till the food poisoning so bad they can't ignore the metaphor Same potato salad, same recipe worldwide melting faster than the narrative they tried to hide Push it fast and let them mayo meltdown commence Support the show before the potato salad achieve sentience itm happy 250th and watch your potato salad fam. Yeah them sugar dawa look flip socialist overnight flesh mob rehearsed by the same WEF choreographer type Open borders conga line trans ideology parade free speech shutter tighter than the homeless Choke point blockade social media lockdowns capitalism condemned on site all synchronized like megasaya franchise is dropping the same height Europe Canada, IC USA same menu, same ship single source influencer or just coincidence they gaslight left Shapiro in the crosshairs Competent level headed aim but it's still riding globalist baggage on the campaign train they want the unacceptable nominee torched in the flame trap so extreme the resets a bloodbath of complaints by the crash on the narrative market too AI bubble or coordinated that were popping like it's overdue Heat dome cooking sovereignty while the 250 year barbecue separate open border potato salad with the cider who knew Push it faster like microwaving the frog so we notice the boil before the socialist soups on the menu they spoil the whole soil structure two Perfect sigh out wearing the name tag loud

[Kelly Fletcher (State Department CIO)]

and proud Protect the country from future

[Comic Strip Blogger]

disaster by making the clown too loud Just a target practice moderate gets painted extreme then the trouncing recessed to overton window clean push it faster science fireworks in the sky, blood death reset, watch the sparks fly Support the show, no agenda, deconstruct a lie Happy Independence Day Just watch it unfurl.

[Adam Curry]

High PM by.

[John C. Dvorak]

The best podcast in the Universe Audios

[Adam Curry]

mofo dvorak.org Na Don and Adam are

[Donald Trump (voice clips)]

the best podcasters out there, so donate to the show.