1884 - "Code Brown"

Summary

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No Agenda Show Episode 1884 — “Code Brown”

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

Date: July 9, 2026
Theme: Deconstructing Media with No Agenda

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Main Theme & Purpose

In episode 1884, Adam and John engage in their signature “media assassination," deconstructing the major news cycles of the week, focusing heavily on US-Iran escalation, media bias, operations of activist groups like Patriot Front, the performativity of political media coverage in the age of Trump, the NATO summit and the Ukraine conflict, and social trends in North America and Europe—including euthanasia debates and the “Code Brown” explosive diarrhea outbreak. Throughout, they emphasize the disconnect between media narratives and reality, using humor and sharp-edged skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Name Games & European Perceptions (00:00–02:00)

• The show opens with a classic No Agenda exchange—poking fun at name pronunciations ("Graham" vs. "Gram") and Adam teasing John about missing family events while in Europe.
• The hosts highlight how, as Americans abroad, they're confronted with perceptions about Trump and American politics, especially relating to sports and international news.

“Rigged” Sports & Political Psyops (02:00–05:15)

• They dissect a controversy in international sports (“games are rigged”), screen a Trump quote (03:00) on red card scandals, spinning it into commentary on media narratives and political manipulation.
• Adam: “These games are, as you and I know, rigged. They knew if they left that player out, then they have to listen to the whining Americans.” [02:23]

Graham Platner Media Clip & Working-Class Dem Stereotypes (05:11–08:44)

• Adam introduces a “biased and almost pathetic” media clip from Pivot, featuring stereotypes about Democrats’ views of the working class (“Nazi tattoo… drinking problems, relationship problems”).
• John mocks this as the “Democrats’ laundry list” and critiques elite media’s disconnect from actual working-class life.
• Quote:
  “Their imaginary working-class person is what she’s describing.” — Adam Curry [07:37]

Democrat Socialists & “Empire Kill Switch” (11:15–12:59)

• A sample of DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) candidates discussing the need to “overthrow our own empire” and “hit the kill switch on American imperialism.” [11:30–11:59]
• Hosts detect growing leftist radicalism in US electoral politics and its performative, identity-driven tone—“Did you notice how gender fluid they are?” — Adam [12:03]

Patriot Front: Fed Psyop or Real Group? (12:17–23:55)

• John investigates the “White Supremacist” Patriot Front that recently marched in DC, critiquing media depiction as “stark and disturbing" and the lack of evidence for racist activity beyond branding. [13:15–14:00]
• Both express skepticism—if No Agenda has no listeners in the group, maybe “it’s a phony” or leftist op.
• The presence of a Getty photographer at the event is flagged as suspicious.
• Adam: "Maybe they think that's a Confederate flag. That's how deteriorated the media has become." [14:07]

US-Iran Escalation: Deconstructing Coverage (24:02–47:03)

• Hosts play a series of news clips from ABC, NPR, BBC, and CBS, dissecting the structure of war reporting, point out how media frames events toward impending war, then briefly walk it back with a Trump quote—a classic No Agenda analysis of “narrative engineering.” [25:15–25:28]
• Multiple Trump soundbites focus on his “ceasefire is over” rhetoric, media cherry-picking (calling Iran “scum”; [24:10], [27:55]), and “good cop/bad cop” negotiation strategies.
• Quote:
  "What people don't understand is Trump's not talking about fair. He's talking about the excitement of the game. He's thinking of television..." — John [04:04]
• Vicky Nuland reappears as a talking head analyzing US-Iran dynamics, with John satirically noting she "likes this, this is what she does, she sparks wars." [46:06]
• A recurring critique: news outlets play inflammatory Trump quotes while omitting policy context—Adam laments this as a disservice to viewers.

NATO, Ukraine, and the “Defense Bank” (51:28–88:09)

• The discussion pivots to NATO’s Ankara summit, Ukraine aid, and Trump’s stance on burden-sharing.
• Trump’s quotes about NATO countries needing to “pay their bills" [55:43], and his transactional approach stir both media anxiety and European exasperation.
• Analysis of Canada’s new “Defense Bank”—a World Bank-style entity to finance military purchases—is especially sharp: "Canadian citizens, our northern neighbors... you are being drawn into this." — John [79:37]
• Canadian contribution to NATO defense funding for Ukraine ($80B) framed as a banker-driven effort that will ultimately benefit US weapons contractors.
• John’s warning: "The Canadian people will be footing the bill..."

Euthanasia & “Suicide Cult” Trends in Canada/NL (88:02–91:59)

• The hosts discuss Canada’s MAID program and expansion of euthanasia policies to infants and minors.
• Adam: "This is like a suicide cult." [91:26]
• Both are unsettled by social acceptance and lack of media scrutiny, connecting it to broader cultural malaise.

Public Health: “Code Brown” Diarrhea Outbreak (92:25–94:12)

• News of a cyclospora outbreak causing explosive diarrhea—Adam and John riff on why media amplifies fear rather than humor in such health stories.
• "CDC has issued a Code Brown." — John [93:20]

AI & Frontier Models: Trust, Costs, and Confabulation (108:21–123:16)

• Extended meta-conversation on AI/LLMs: what is a “frontier model”? Is token-based billing a scam?
• John shares his own failed automation attempts, including an AI spreadsheet that refuses to comply with “whiskey at the roundtable”:
  “No wonder we're going to Chinese models. So that's the AI telling me it can't do that because it's impersonation and involves provision of alcohol for a fictitious roundtable with whiskey that does not exist.” — John [137:34]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On media bias:
  "The obsession with personal purity has become a luxury belief." — John [08:44]

• On political theater:
  “This was a moment. This is a psyop of epic proportions.” — John, on the Patriot Front Metro event [20:23]

• On transactional alliances:
  "You gotta pay your bills. I think it's common sense, right? If they don't pay, I'm not going to defend them. No, I'm not going to defend him." — Trump (clip), discussed by Adam and John [56:03]

• On AI hallucination:
  “It was a narrative driven confabulation. I invented a data point to fit the segment’s mood. And that’s the whole of it. No source, no reporting. A fabrication dressed as a fact.” — John’s AI bot, confessing a made-up show note [118:12]

• On euthanasia:
  “If we cannot draw the line here, I am not sure where medical professionals imagine the line to be.... The media should be pushing back on this.” — Adam [90:37–92:01]

• On culture:
  “There’s so many more options before... how do you get into that mental state?... The whole culture is telling you it’s okay to do this with, I guess, incessant media support.” — John [91:42]

• Show signature:
  “Our formula is this: We go out, we hit people in the mouth.” — Trump (quoted at [155:17]), a recurring NA mantra

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Cold open: “suicide cult,” names, American abroad jokes | | 02:00 | “Rigged” soccer and media narratives | | 05:11 | Graham Platner clip; class stereotypes in Dems | | 11:15 | DSA candidates: “overthrow the empire” | | 12:17 | Patriot Front deep dive, fed/ops theories | | 24:02 | US-Iran escalation: media clip montages & analysis | | 51:28 | NATO summit, Ukraine, Canada’s defense bank | | 88:02 | Canada euthanasia expansion & MAID program critique | | 92:25 | Cyclospora “Code Brown” outbreak | | 108:21 | AI/LLM – “frontier models,” token confusion, automation fails | | 137:38 | AI refuses to process whiskey at the Roundtable | | 151:32 | No Agenda knighthoods, meetups, community highlights | | 166:52 | End of show ISO selection and tips of the day | | 170:05 | Show close: donations, value-for-value speech, sign-off |

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Tone & Language

• Cynical but humorous: The signature No Agenda skepticism and mockery of mainstream narratives prevail, with witty asides and running jokes (“sock hop,” “connection is protection,” “CDC Code Brown”).
• Conversational: Adam and John’s banter underpins their analysis; they frequently interrupt for clarification, humor, and audience asides.
• Pop culture references: Meetups, knighthood, AI personification, and jabs at celebrity news persist.

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Additional Highlights

• Community connection: Listener donations and meetups are regularly acknowledged as vital, reinforcing the value-for-value model.
• Technical frustrations: John’s repeated issues with AI-enhanced processes (“spreadsheet crashes”) and troubleshooting bring a playful yet pointed skepticism to “AI revolution" narratives.
• Sprawling show—wide-ranging but tightly thematic: The episode covers local, social, geopolitical, and tech topics, always anchored to media criticism and personal anecdotes.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode unpicks the week’s top stories, laying bare discrepancies between media narratives and on-the-ground reality, from war coverage to grassroots activism to social policy creep. No Agenda oscillates between blunt satire (“suicide cult”), earnest critiques of elite detachment, and meta-commentary on how tech and media conspire to shape perceptions. Tying it together, John and Adam champion the importance of skeptical, community-supported analysis and the indispensable weirdness of “America’s most dangerous podcast.”

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“What started as producing noise in the late night... now the static’s got a budget and the whispers automatic.”
— End of show mix lyric, 173:13

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End of Show Mixes:

• Artificial by Parian [171:31]
• Second Half by Parian [173:07]
• Missile Salute (Geopolitical Rap) [174:40]

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Transcript

[Adam Curry]

This is like a suicide cult.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Thursday, July 9, 2026. This is your award winning Gimmon Nation media assassination episode 1884. This is no Agenda. Has anyone seen a stork? Not me, but we are broadcasting live from the southern district of Amsterdam, the Netherlands in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, where we're all wondering who would name a kid Graham. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Crackpot.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

And Buz,

[John C. Dvorak]

what kid's name is Graham?

[Adam Curry]

Graham Platner. You're not over here. So you don't get to see this 247 coverage.

[John C. Dvorak]

You said Graham, not Graham. You said Graham. His name is Graham, not Graham. Like a Graham.

[Adam Curry]

It's pronounced Graham.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's Graham. Graham.

[Adam Curry]

Graham.

[John C. Dvorak]

Graham. Yes. If you had said Graham, it would have been obvious. Graham. No, it's not Graham.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, you can say what you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, so yes, I'm aware of the news cycle. I'm aware of it, but that's not what I'm stuck with here.

[Adam Curry]

You're stuck there is what you're stuck with.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm stuck here, but I'm stuck here with.

[Adam Curry]

Well, like I said, it's coming Tuesday, so the day when we're back. Get ready.

[John C. Dvorak]

The day we come back. The day we're back. Yes. You never said it was coming Tuesday, did you?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you know I'm coming back Monday.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're gonna miss the baby then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no kidding. My daughters.

[Adam Curry]

Just stay a couple extra days.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've already been here. By Monday, we'll have been here for two weeks. We're running out of everything. Flies, time flies. And of course now you know, everyone here is like, oh, oh, you're from America. Stupid Trump tried. No, please, try to rig. Tried to rig the game with the red card we showed you, didn't you? Yeah, all day long. It's amazing.

[Adam Curry]

Try to re. Well, I think that was corrupted to begin with. And the reason that they did that, it had nothing to do with Trump. It was to make him look like he did something other than just make a call.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's exactly.

[Adam Curry]

But they had to put that player back in because these games are, as you and I know, rigged. These games are rigged.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rigged, yes.

[Adam Curry]

And they knew that if they left that player out, the striker that they red carded, then they have to listen to the whining Americans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah,

[Adam Curry]

you guys screwed us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Someone's hearing.

[Adam Curry]

We would have won the championship.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, someone's hearing a buzz.

[Unknown Contributor 2]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought I heard it, too.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I'm hearing it, too.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody's hearing a buzz.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there we go.

[Adam Curry]

I can move some wires.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's not you. No, it's not. It's not you. It's me.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

It's me.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

She said, here's. Here's the clip.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

And he gave him a red card. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't think it meant much. Then I started hearing that that means he can't play in the next game. At least the next game. I said, boy, that's a big. You know, if it happened to another player, it would have been unfair. But when they take your best player, or just about, they have some great players, but. And they say you can't play, that's very unfair. That's, you know, it's one thing penalize somebody for the game, but how do you penalize them for a game that hasn't been played yet? It's very unfair. You can't do that. So, yes, I asked for a review.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, a review.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I spoke to a man who's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I found the source of this whole. Trump called him, made him change it. It was the New York Times with four sources. Unnamed, anonymous sources familiar with the phone call.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Highly respected and, by the way, whose level of respect has gone up tenfold. And he good before this started, but, you know, he really pushed it in this country. I'm the one that got them to do it. It was not Biden.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, what people don't understand, and it doesn't even. I don't even have to try and explain it here, Commies. What people don't understand is Trump's not talking about fair. He's talking about the excitement of the game. He's thinking of television. That's what he's thinking of. He's like, hey, we got to have the star players in there. You can't take the star players. It was great when they threw them out and they played with 10 guys for the rest of the game. That's great television. You can't have that guy not show up in the next game, even though it's the rule. That's what it was about. People don't understand him. We are the Trump whisperers. We understand our president. We're some of the last and the very few, I believe

[Adam Curry]

maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not kidding. People are. They roll their eyes at me. They roll their eyes and, yeah, man, a guy tried to cheat. I don't care what you say. It's useless. All right. So if it's such a big news cycle and that you had to start it at the beginning of the show off with it. You might. Do you have any Graham Platner clips that you want to share?

[Adam Curry]

I have a. Yeah, I do have a classic that I thought if anyone would appreciate, it'd be you.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

Because it's from the pivot. These are the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your buddies, Kara and Professor. Can you turn your speakers down just a tad? Kara and Professor. Professor Scott. Let me guess, because I've seen some of these come through on the timeline where Elizabeth Warren is saying, that's my guy. So probably.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, they've been loading these things up. I don't really have a lot of platinum clips. I just had. I just thought it would be worthwhile to play this one because it's one of the most extreme examples of a very biased and almost pathetic attitude about things.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

I personally, I'm going to just very quickly say I think voters don't care about this. I don't. And I thought his wife handled it well. I have others. I had an argument with Amanda this weekend. She doesn't like the Nazi tattoo. She doesn't like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I feel as if Amanda doesn't like the Nazi tattoo. Who does?

[Unknown Contributor 6]

If the husband and wife are working it out, it remind me a little when Hillary Clinton did Should I stand by my man when he had those Jennifer Flowers things. Minds me a little bit of that turned out to be pretty good president. I don't get bothered by it as much. None of it. I think he's an. He's. As Amanda Littman correctly said, he's someone who had a drinking problem as a Marine probably got that tattoo has some mental health challenges which he's trying to overcome. Marriage problems, which he's. His wife is insisting they're going to counselors and overcoming.

[John C. Dvorak]

That list is your typical Democrat. It's perfect. I mean, let's just hear that list again. Nazi tattoo. It's got drinking problems, relationship problems.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

A Marine probably got that tattoo. Has mental health challenges, which he's trying to overcome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marriage problems, mental challenges, which he's trying to overcome.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You have to stop. Stop the clip and let me explain something that I think is important.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please.

[Adam Curry]

Which is that you're right. This is the Democrats laundry list of what they think. Of what they think the working class is.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drinking problem.

[Adam Curry]

They have no connection. She has. No. And the professor has no connection with this. You know, this Democrats and their working class, which they haven't Represented for. I don't know, since we've been doing the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Since we've been doing the show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, definitely since we've been doing this show. They're so dissociated from the working class that their imaginary working class person is what she's describing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. An oyster farmer.

[Adam Curry]

Farthest thing from the truth.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is an oyster farmer with a drinking problem, a Nazi tattoo, mental health issues, which he's working on, and relationship issues. Yes, that's your voter.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

But of that turned out to be pretty good president. I don't get bothered by it as much. None of it. I think he's an.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

As Amanda Littman correctly said, he's someone who had a drinking problem as a Marine. Probably got that tattoo. Has some mental health challenges, which he's trying to overcome. Marriage problems, which he's. His wife is insisting they're going to counselors and overcoming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every election is a choice, not a marriage proposal. We're not hiring a priest, we're hiring a senator. Do you want to make sure that women's rights aren't continued to be rolled back? Do you want a more responsible economic policy? But we're going to talk about fucking tattoos and sexting. You mean like you did about Pete's Hegseth?

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, the obsession with personal purity has become a luxury belief. And, folks, if your house is on fire.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

Excellent.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't ask whether the firefighter has problematic dms. Are we going to continue to have one strike and you're out?

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I'm a Jew.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't love a Tottenkampf tattoo.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Okay?

[Unknown Contributor 9]

If he gets drunk one night and

[John C. Dvorak]

gets, hold up, Tottenham Kampf. If you're a real Jew, pronounce it right. Totenkopf. Okay. Tottenkampf. Get with it, Scott. Continue to have one strike and you're out.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I'm a Jew.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't love a Tottenkampf tattoo, okay?

[Unknown Contributor 9]

If he gets drunk one night and

[John C. Dvorak]

gets a stupid fucking tattoo, the fact that he's trying to protect our liberties, the next day it might be blown up by an ied. He gets a hall pass.

[Adam Curry]

You're right. He's just totten kampf, meaning struggle. It's Kopf. It's head.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Kopf. Toten. Kolp.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He has a head cop.

[John C. Dvorak]

We all know Kopf.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Not compf.

[John C. Dvorak]

Komf.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

He's my wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that's. He's thinking it's that way. That's great. That's great. But he now. He resigned. He Withdrew.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

He's out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he did. But one more thing about what Scott said. He says, are we going to continue to have women's rights rolled back? What is he talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

You've seen these. If you go to. I don't do this that much, but if you go to TikTok or Insta or when these places have the reels, all these things, and there'll be men on the street stuff where someone says, well, so what do you, what do you want to see about, you know, somebody being interviewed at some protest? Then they say, I don't want to see women's rights roll back. And then the interviewer will say, which women's rights are you talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. And then they freeze.

[Adam Curry]

There's a long blank stare.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then they say, I'm not participating in this. I'm not going to.

[Adam Curry]

They walk.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not going. Yeah, well, of course then we have the actual candidates for the Democrat Party. This thing has been circling around a little mini cut of some of these dsa, Democrat Socialists of America. And it's exactly what we talked about on the last show. This is exactly what they're doing if they get elected. And these were not the candidates in the primary. Not the candidates that Ro Khanna. What's his name? Rokahana? Don't we just call him Rokana? Isn't that his name now? The Rokana Rokhanna.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

He.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not the people he endorsed, but this is the people who the people supposedly selected.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

And you know, we have a unique responsibility to act from the, from the heart of empire, the belly of the beast. The most important thing that we can do is take that empire down from within.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our role ultimately is to, to facilitate our own empire's failure in ways that

[Unknown Contributor 6]

we can ultimately to overthrow our own empire. Imperialism is US Imperialism is not a thing that can be reformed away. It has to be overthrown through revolutionary

[Adam Curry]

struggle and to build a mass movement that can use the leverage of workers

[John C. Dvorak]

to hit the kill switch on American

[Adam Curry]

imperialism here within the American empire.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, from within the kill switch in the American empire.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, these people are very pretentious. But did you notice how gender fluid they are?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So certainly I couldn't tell who was what there. It was just non binary. Certainly, certainly to an extreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and this. So just looking at all these different factions, I caught a report on CNN and it was about the patriot front on July 4, who marched on the Mall, who took the metro, which is the subway to the mall. And you know, we've looked at these guys and we're like, these got to be feds. This has got to be some kind of psyop going on. But then I'm thinking, hold on a second. Does this mean that Kash Patel's FBI or Tulsi Gabbard or Bill Pulte's intelligence operations are still running these guys? And it's a bit polarizing to me, but the thing that really caught my eye is as I'm listening to the opening of this report, the whole thing is completely framing something that is observably not true.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

This weekend, in the midst of the country's 250th birthday festivities, a stark and disturbing display emerged from our nation's capital.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stark and disturbing display on Saturday when

[Unknown Contributor 6]

mass members of the white supremacist group the Patriot Front marched through Washington D.C. carrying Confederate flags.

[John C. Dvorak]

And okay, so I stopped here because. Carrying Confederate flags. I'm literally looking at the video she's showing and there's no Confederate flag. There's stars and stripes, 50 stars, 13 stripes. There's about 20% are what I'd call the colonial flag with the 13 stars in a circle with a picture of George.

[Adam Curry]

Right, right. Which is a classic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. With a picture of George Washington in the circle. Not a single Confederate flag.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe they think that's a Confederate flag. That's how things have. That's how deteriorated the media has become.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, possibly. But the first thing that she says here is the white supremacist group. And, you know, and so of course, you connect white supremacy, white supremacist groups to patriots because they're called the Patriot Front. So that by itself, good bit. It's a psyop, whether it's from them or who knows what it is. But I'm like, I gotta look at these guys. What is going on with this group? So they have a website.

[Adam Curry]

I'm glad you did this because I thought the whole thing was a fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so the website Patriot Us, they have an about page. They've got an action page, They've got a manifesto page. Now this I find troubling. Like, why don't you just say, here's our mission? But no, they say manifesto. It's very long. And there's no white supremacy language in there, per se. They hate government. They feel all politicians have sold out the military industrial complex. They hate globalism. They want to go back to what America was. They want the borders closed. They don't want immigrants coming in from Africa. They don't talk about black people. Now, I don't see any black faces in this Patriot Front because they have masks on. That makes it a little harder, and it's a little more intimidating because they've got the khakis and, you know, they have kind of these uniforms on, but they don't really look like neo Nazis or kkk. And then you look at their action and, you know, their spokes guy, he talks without a mask and his name is known. He's quite eloquent at speaking. And then they go, you know, life, liberty, victory. Okay. And then you look at their action page, and they're, you know, doing food drives, feeding homeless people, building houses. So, you know, like, I don't. What.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

It's me.

[John C. Dvorak]

At least one of our no Agenda producers has to be in this group. There's no way that if really what is portrayed on this website that we don't have at least one of them listening to the show. This is kind of.

[Adam Curry]

What if the whole thing's just a front for nothing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is my test. If we don't have a single producer.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's a good point. We have a million listeners and producers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Somebody's been to the meeting.

[Adam Curry]

That we have a population of such a. That is such. We. Yes, you're absolutely correct. Unless there's somebody in there that. That's connected to the show. It's a face.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a phony. It's a phony.

[Adam Curry]

So, yeah, just a bunch of photos.

[John C. Dvorak]

I pulled a few more clips from this.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it was really bothering me because, you know, I look at these guys like, I know guys like this. You know, they go to my church, they help out.

[Adam Curry]

They.

[John C. Dvorak]

They want to. They. They love their country, they love their flag, they love their family. I don't think they're racist. You know, they've never shown any racial tendencies. But. So the psyop certainly is working on cnn. Just a couple clips because there was some interesting language that they use here. So whether it's phony or. I mean, it certainly doesn't seem like the right. Something Trump would want is connecting white supremacy to patriot and patriotism.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Past members of the white supremacist group the Patriot Front marched through Washington, D.C. carrying Confederate flags and shouting slogans like, quote, reclaim America.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

One photographer captured this stunning, now viral photo of a young black woman sitting on a Metro car while the masked men surround her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, this language is beautiful because these guys are on the Metro. They're all taking the metro, the whole

[Adam Curry]

car is filled with them. They're not surrounding her.

[John C. Dvorak]

The picture doesn't even show her being surrounded. They're not looking at her. She has a great expression.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody cares about her.

[John C. Dvorak]

She has a great expression on you, her face. But. So then they. They bring in this. This dude who was also a witness, who was also on the train. And this is where things got funny. How did they behave on the train?

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

And what.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

What did you.

[John C. Dvorak]

What sort of sense did you get from them on the car?

[Unknown Contributor 2]

They were surprisingly very civil and very organized. They were just chatting among themselves like any other people who were sitting or traveling using the metro. I, you know, just from what I could hear, many of them didn't even know each other. I could hear them introducing themselves to one another with their full names and asking where they're from and, you know, how they're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that doesn't sound very scary. Come on, we gotta step this up a little bit because weren't you afraid? Weren't you scary? Wait, how did this picture get taken of you?

[Unknown Contributor 6]

And you ended up in some photographs taken by a Getty Images photographer.

[John C. Dvorak]

A Getty Images photographer happens to be on the train. It's amazing.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

What did it say to you that there was a photographer there?

[Unknown Contributor 2]

That's when it alarmed me. This is something, you know. But the photographer also gave me some comfort knowing that somebody was there with a camera just in case something happens. Because I was realizing if anything happens, I won't be able to identify any of them because they're all dressed the same. So it made me realize, to start paying attention, what are they wearing, what's on their hats, what's on their shirts, just to give me an educated idea who they were. And I was texting some friends, you know, this is happening. I just want you to be aware that I'm in the middle of a metro by myself. So if anything happens, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you weren't. You were with the black girl. What are you talking about? You weren't by. I'm by myself.

[Unknown Contributor 2]

I'm in the middle of a metro by myself. So if anything happens, you know what's happening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have any thought as you're on the train as to who they might be? Like, what's. You know, I know you said you didn't know who they were, but what were you speculating? When you see a bunch of white guys with masks and hats?

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Clearly they, they. They needed to cover their faces for a reason.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Right?

[Unknown Contributor 2]

My mind immediately went to. That they were white supremacists. So. And you know, I work for the U.S. capitol Historical Center.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Oh, there we go.

[Unknown Contributor 2]

So my first thing is I need to remember this and try to document of what's happening. I'm not comparing myself clearly to real American heroes like Rosa Parks and folks who sat in at, you know, at diners in the 50s and 60s, but I knew this was a moment that I have to kind of be present.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was a moment. This is a psyop of epic proportions. I just want to know who and why and what's behind it. That's all I want to know. Again, if we don't have a single person in our audience who has at least been to a meeting, then this is fake. And it's fake from the left. There's just no two ways about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, fake from the left. Yeah. This could be a Soros thing or Southern Poverty Law center thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

The thing that is bothersome is the mask, you know? Why? Why the masks? Why?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's no reason for the mas.

[John C. Dvorak]

No reason.

[Adam Curry]

They don't do that. It's the other side. It's always mask oriented with the Palestinian scarf across their face.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the tell right there. Oh, yeah, there you go. There you go. I don't know about this. The whole thing just kind of bothered me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I wanted to get that out. And please, if you've been to a meeting, let us know. And if nobody's been to a meeting, there's nobody. I mean, this might maybe Aaron, er, over at Knowledge in the Social. He might be the kind of guy. But they're not even that anti Jew, you know, so. At least not that I can tell. Not in their. In their manifesto. Which is another thing. If you and I were going to do a group.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, absolutely. You nailed, by the way. That's a great observation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we wouldn't.

[Adam Curry]

You don't use manifesto.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we're not going to do that ever.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

Ever.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's his mission statement or what, you know, Eula, I mean, anything.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but I think we all were considering them to be feds of some sort. And now I'm just not so sure now it seems to be from some other organization. They look cool, though. And that's not to say that the black girl wasn't afraid. The black girl, she might have been afraid, like, oh, what is this? What's going on?

[Adam Curry]

But you know, she seemed pretty nonchalant if you ask me.

[John C. Dvorak]

But a Getty Images photographer happens to be there.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's. Yeah, but that's somewhat misleading. Because anybody can be images.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's true.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It's. Once you sign up with them, it's basically you. You take a lot of. It's like paparazzi. You take a lot of photos, but you've already. You've done a contract deal with them. So if you have any photos that are net of national interest, you have to sell to them as opposed to the competition.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which is Corbis. Whoever it is is no big deal. I think that's exaggerated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Corbus. There's other groups.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Is that group that Microsoft created. I can't remember their name. It's like Corbus or something stupid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was that part of their Encyclopa? Was there inside their CD ROM encyclopedia?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Encarta.

[John C. Dvorak]

Encarta.

[Adam Curry]

Encarda. It was a good idea at the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

At the time when there was no Internet and it was. Everything was on CD rom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, cd. Interactive cdi. Yeah, baby.

[Adam Curry]

Back in the day, I went nowhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back in the day. Yeah. So just to wrap it up. Yeah, I agree. The only people who wear masks are antifa. The Palestinian protesters. It's all, it's all crazy for left people. And this, you know, Southern Poverty Law center has deemed them a white supremacist hate group. That right there tells you something.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, let's get busted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's get to the top of the news with what's really happening tonight as

[Unknown Contributor 11]

the U.S. launches a new attack on Iran. The second in 24 hours. President Trump now declaring the ceasefire over.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I think it's over. I don't want to deal with them anymore. They're scum. You know what scum is? There's something wrong with them. They're cuckoo.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

The new US strikes hitting Iran's coastal radar sites and anti ship missile locations. A larger attack than last night when 80 targets were hit. It comes in response to Iran firing on three cargo ships near the Strait of Hormuz. The big question, what comes next? Overnight, Iran launching missiles at US bases in the Gulf. Those missiles intercepted the Pentagon releasing video of more than 20 Navy warships patrolling waters near the Middle East. President Trump today sending mixed signals. First saying he would let peace talks continue, then a few hours later saying this.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I'm not sure I want to make a deal with him. We can play games, but I'm not sure I want to make a deal. I just finished the job.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

And tonight the calm has been shattered in the oil market. Gas prices for Americans set to go up. The President asks, are we about to see full blown war Again, I don't

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

think it's going to start again. I think it's going to go very quickly.

[Adam Curry]

They hit a couple of weeks. Hold on a second. Did you see the structure of the way they presented that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Explain.

[Adam Curry]

It's structured as though they were going to see full blown war. And then they cut to him saying no, I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay. And you're surprised by this. This is abc.

[Adam Curry]

No, this is what we do on this show if you haven't noticed. We point this out.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

Shattered in the oil markets. Gas prices for Americans set to go up. The President asks are we about to see full blown war again?

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I don't think it's going to start again. I think it's going to go very quickly. They hit a couple of ships and so we hit them much harder. When they hit, we hit.

[Unknown Contributor 2]

So look at right to Rachel Scott

[John C. Dvorak]

live in Turkey tonight. And Rachel, amid this escalation with Iran right now and the surging oil prices already, there are also questions. Surging oil price, surging bucks surging.

[Adam Curry]

It went up to 74.

[John C. Dvorak]

Surging tonight about this new Air Force One, that gift from Qatar and why it left Turkey tonight without the President with Iran.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

And yes, David, the President has been touting this new plane. So it was surprising when that Qatari jet left without him and headed toward the U.K. the president said it was to give troops stationed there an opportunity to view the plane. But tonight it is raising new questions about whether security concerns played a factor. The President later departed Turkey on an older model of Air Force One day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So before we move on, I just got to play this clip because he did play it down like oh no, you know, the plane had to go over there and we had to do something else and the troops had to look at the new plane. But this was that this was the killer for me.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

In one day all of their anti aircraft things are gone. That doesn't mean they're not going to get a plane at some point. But all of it's gone. Everything's gone. Their leaders are gone. They had leaders, they're gone. And they had another set of leaders. They're gone. Now they have another set of leaders. They may be gone, who knows? And you know what, I may be gone too because I'm their number one target. It, it's out all over the place. I'm their number one because they're scum. That's the way they act and that's the way they've done it for 47 years. No, I'm number one on the kill list for Iran. They're lovely people. I'm number one, so I don't know. I can't tell you that. But I don't really care because I'm doing my job, and I'm doing it, I hope, better than anybody's ever done it, because we have a country that's hot and really, really successful. But I mention it only because it's on the list. I mean, it came out. There was another list came out yesterday, and I'm number one on. I like being number one on TikTok better, but I'm number one on the list for killing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, unfortunately, I have to say, every single time I have known a politician or heard a politician say, yeah, they're gonna, you know, they want to kill me, it has happened. I'll never forget Pim4town saying, if something happens to me, those guys did it. And then he got killed.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it's like, yeah, well, let's hope that doesn't happen. No, they were cautious enough to send off this. The one jet. Let that one get blowed up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Really? It's like, yeah, I'm not. A little switcheroo on the jet. So we had dinner with.

[Adam Curry]

We don't even know he was on other Air Force. He could have been on Air Force Two for a long time.

[John C. Dvorak]

It didn't look like it. I'll be the first, because he came out for a gaggle. And it was not the old Air Force One that he typically travels on, because I could tell by the. They didn't have the screens in the side panel like it usually does. So it was not his typical Air Force One.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, if you're going to the Middle east and you're Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You're not going to be flying around like, hey, here I am. Take a shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we had dinner with Les.

[Adam Curry]

I have two.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to give you a little update. We had a dinner with Lex and Fariba.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

His Iranian wife. He told man. He told the story about them getting married. It cracks me up every single time. Because they wanted to stay in the same hotel room together. This is like 16 years ago. And so in order to do that, you have to be married by an imam. And so he's a Muslim. He had to become a Muslim first. Then he got, like a stamp, and he's got a passport and he's a Muslim anyway, so. And I said, you better not leave that. You better. You better stay a Muslim, because that's not a good idea. So she's Back talking to her family. The Internet's open, the lines are open. Everybody is back to business. Although back to business means her family is selling ground coffee. There's not a lot of commerce, per se, but the general feeling is that Trump is working with the Iranians together. And together they're going to get rid of the irgc, or at least they're going to try to, which the Iranians feel is rather complicated because they have such deep connections inside the country. Everyone's on the take from those guys, so they feel that there's maybe too many of them, but that's who's popping stuff off. It's the irgc.

[Adam Curry]

It's not the people that's dissociated.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're completely dissociated.

[Adam Curry]

Some rogue. Anybody can take a potshot and hey, I'm going to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

There's no coordination at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. So, so they're hopeful and they, they, they actually have more trust in Trump than, than I would have expected. I think that he's working with them, with, with the third level. And, and, you know, they're like, why is. So the, what's his name? Reza Pavli. The, the Crown Prince. He's in Holland right now. How weird is that?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you should go try to track him down.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so. I'm not going to do that.

[Adam Curry]

Let's listen to these clips from the NPR and the BBC trying to summarize this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Start with NPR.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm looking.

[Adam Curry]

I see Al Jazeera, Iran bombing, NPR.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, I didn't see that one. The U.S. military says it's carrying out another round of strikes on Iran after Iran attacked ships in the Strait of Hormuz earlier this week and retaliated for US Strikes last night. Earlier today, President Trump said Iranian attacks signaled the end of the ceasefire. As NPR's Franco Ordonez explains, Trump not only warned that the US would likely hit Iran again, but he also threatened to bring back a naval blockade. I mean, he is clearly frustrated after last night's series of strikes. And he really went off on Iranian leaders, calling them cuckoo and a bunch of liars.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I don't want to deal with them anymore. They're scum. You know what scum is? They're scum. They're sick people. They're led by sick people, and they're vicious, violent people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, the big question is whether calling off the ceasefire is actually a change in policy or simply a negotiating tactic. But Trump did say during the press conference that this would not lead to full scale fighting again and that anything that happened would be over quickly.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Mm.

[Adam Curry]

I like the. You know, we've talked about this before some time ago about the pronunciation of Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

We got a lecture from somebody that told us how to pronounce it correctly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

But it's still being pronounced Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's definitely Iran. We know for a fact it's ear on Iran. Your ear is on Iran.

[Adam Curry]

And PBS or NPR there's has gotten it correctly. But you hear, it's almost like there's a code involved. People who mispronounce it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't we establish that people who were read in pronounced it Iran and everyone else who doesn't pronounce it Iran is not read in? That's what I recall.

[Adam Curry]

I think that was one of our interpretations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Possibly.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's the BBC.

[John C. Dvorak]

Several Gulf nations have responded to Iranian. Holy crap, that's over modulated again.

[Adam Curry]

Iran. Iranian. See, now they're pronouncing it differently now. Okay, now we can play it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to play it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Let me stop about the over modulation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, okay.

[Adam Curry]

I've had. I don't know what it is about the BBC, but there's something wrong with their waveform and they're loofed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their loofs are not good.

[Adam Curry]

I'm telling you there's something wrong with their waveform and I can't because when I'm playing with these clips, I'm not getting any of this, any of this over modulation. But every time you play it through your system, it comes out okay. I'm not sure what to do about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I will do a spectral analysis after the show and figure it out. It could very well be that there's something going on in their processing that is hitting my processing in an odd way. I'm looking at the waveform. It doesn't look flat or anything. This is very technical, everybody. I'm glad you're listening in. Several Gulf nations have responded to Iranian attacks after the US Launched new airstrikes against Iran, including near the Strait of Hormuz. Explosions were reported in the Bahraini capital Manama, while in Kuwait, the military said its air defenses had intercepted missiles and drones. First of all, this guy has a wheelbarrow for those balls, man. That's amazing. That voice.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's unbelievable. This character.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump has warned that the attacks on Iran could get much worse. Earlier, Iranian state media reported explosions in several coastal areas. Peter Bowles has more from Washington.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

As Donald Trump is returning to Washington now, he has been speaking on Air Force One, where he said, amongst other things, we've just hit them very hard. And I say we hit them 20 to 1. He added that every time they hit us, we're going to hit them 20, as he put it. And he also claimed that Iran had called a little while ago saying that they wanted to make a deal badly. He said, I just don't know if they're worthy of making a deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our international editor, Jeremy Bowen has this analysis of the latest developments. What is driving all of this is the fact that the Iranian regime in Tehran have a heck of a weapon in being able to close the straight of four moves. They can put the global economy in days in a choke hole. So that's where we're at. So I think what we're going to see is a lot of these ups and downs, probably more escalations, more oscillations, some more talks. Sources very adjacent to the talks have said to me that neither side is trying to walk away from the talks, but equally, it's taking, quote, a lot of heavy lifting to try to get them back. I'm so sick of this. They closed the street of Hormuz. Didn't close anything. There's not a row of IRGC paddle boats blocking the straight. This language has got to stop. I want to play this CBS version of this, of the report of the scum liars and cheats report, because at the end, there was something. It was something odd and different. The president said today that even though the ceasefire is over, the nuclear talks between the two countries can continue. But with each side trading airstrikes and insults, it's pretty difficult to understand the way forward.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

They're scum and so we don't like them. I don't like them, and they're evil people.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump unleashed on Iran for attacking 3, 3 commercial tankers in the Strait of Hormuz this week.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

They're liars, they're cheats, they're sick people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just last month, Trump called Iran's leaders very rational people. But tonight he's ordered more airstrikes along the Strait of Hormuz, which follows a heavy bombing campaign Tuesday night when US forces hit about 80 targets inside Iran, including its main naval base and dozens of small boats. Iran says it responded by firing missiles and drones at 85 military targets inside Bahrain and Kuwait. The volleys the most significant since the US And Iran signed a memo of understanding about three weeks ago. But the president said Iran's actions have killed the deal.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

There's something wrong with them. They're Cuckoo. As far as I'm concerned, it's over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oil prices spiked on that news. Part of the reason why by the end of today the President was trying to turn down the temperature.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I think anything that happens in going to be over very quickly and will only. And will only make it safer, including for oil.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also at the NATO summit, the President met with Vladimir Zelinsky, announced plans to let Ukraine start building Patriot missiles. But he also broached a three way meeting with Russia's Vladimir Putin.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I don't know that he'd go to Moscow. Maybe he would. Would you go to Moscow?

[Adam Curry]

It's difficult.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are a lot of Ukrainian drones there. Leaders here at the summit said their host, Turkish President Eric to one gifted them all personalized revolvers and a box of ammunition. The White House didn't confirm Trump's gift, but the British Prime Minister said he had to leave his here because it would be illegal to bring it home. That's the weird part. What's up with that? They all gave him pistols with ammo. What, to shoot yourself? I thought that was very strange. It's a strange gift.

[Adam Curry]

I have not heard that. That was a good catch.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a strange gift.

[Adam Curry]

That is a strange gift. They gave him gold plated pistols with one bullet in the chamber

[John C. Dvorak]

and a hairpin trigger. So what I feel is going on here is good cop, bad cop. It seems so obvious because this is from his. He did a lot of press or at least a lot of clips came out of his press in Turkey at the NATO.

[Adam Curry]

NATO, yeah, some NATO clips.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is, this is where I think this is the one where he's. It's basically good cop, bad cop. Let those guys go be good cops. I'm going to be the bad cop.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Have any questions?

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. President, is the ceasefire over?

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Is the ceasefire done? Is the MOU dead?

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

It's a very interesting question. To me.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not an interesting question.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I think it's over. I don't want to deal with the them anymore. They're scum. You know what scum is? They're scum. They're sick people. They're led by sick people.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the full quote, which I think was more interesting than what the news just cherry picked.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

And they're vicious, violent people and if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. I'll speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate. They're good people. Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner. But they have to Come back to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them. They're liars. We make a deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

See that? To me, first of all, they didn't put any of that in any of the news reports. Nothing about the nuclear bomb. I don't know why. And then he says, well, you know those guys, they can continue to talk, you know, Jared and Witkoff, and they can come back to me, but I'm not gonna talk to him. That is like so textbook good cop, bad cop.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

And they were. If I make a deal with him, we have a deal, and he goes out, he talks, we make a deal. Everyone's agreed, no nuclear weapon. We make a deal. They go outside, talk to the press. They say, we never even talked about it. There's something wrong with them. They're cuckoo. As far as I'm concerned, it's over.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

These talks won't resume after. After we get through the funeral proceedings, we'll. Does this mean that talks with Iran will not resume?

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I don't care. They can talk, but I think they're wasting their time. They're a bunch of lying guys. I do it my whole life. That's all I do is deals. My whole life is. That's how I became president. I guess that's a deal too. Right? But I made a lot of money. I had a lot of great success. Tremendous success. Everything I did, I was successful. And I deal with these guys and I say, this is from a different school, their lives. They had cheats, they're sick people. They've hurt their people. They killed 54,000 people as of now that were protesting. You know, when people say, how come they haven't taken over? They can't take over because they're dead. They killed them. Nobody's going to take over. They have no guns and the other side has machine guns and they're killing them. The press doesn't report it, but they're bad people. They're bad people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something tells me this was not unexpected for them, that this would happen. And there's. There's some. There's some game afoot here.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, that entire clip, which was a good clip, I'm thinking whether it's worthy of a borderline. That entire clip, if the news media had played that in its entirety, instead of these kind of cute clips of there, there's scum.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then just leave it at that.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Out of context. So the public would be service serviced so much better, are served so much better by them being more Honest. With these, with their clipping. Their clipping is terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did it end? What's the verdict?

[Adam Curry]

The media sucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you said borderline. You were contemplating a borderline.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you want it, don't you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you can't like dangle it in front of me and then say, well, I'm thinking about it.

[Adam Curry]

But then, okay, give yourself a borderline.

[Unknown Contributor 12]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man, it was almost worthy of a borderline. Oh, okay. All right. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe you got your borderline. I could have given you a clip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you haven't given me one of those in months.

[Adam Curry]

That's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be careful.

[Adam Curry]

It's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, okay.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's. But the point I was making was why don't we get. Why doesn't the media give us that?

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's all out there.

[Adam Curry]

And NPR could have done that. BBC could have done that. That clip was what, how long was that clip? Was the total time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Total time is, let me see, 1:55.

[Adam Curry]

It's under two minutes of clippage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, Clippage, clipage.

[Adam Curry]

Well, under the what we consider the

[John C. Dvorak]

two minute limit, the two minute limit, nothing can go. If it's past two minutes, it's got to be really good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, if it's past two min, you or I, but one of the two of us complain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I know you have analysis.

[Adam Curry]

Clip is too long.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know you have analysis. I just have two more clips to play because stunningly, stunningly. Look who comes out of nowhere and appears on Jake Tapper show. What woman, what analyst do you think would just pop out all of a sudden?

[Adam Curry]

Who?

[John C. Dvorak]

Vicky Nuland.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my God.

[Unknown Contributor 12]

This morning President Trump said that as far as he's concerned, the cease fire is over. And now we see these new strikes. So is this an end to the ceasefire or is it possible that this is just a negotiating tactic and the cease fire is still officially on.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Jake, it's good to be with you.

[Unknown Contributor 13]

I don't think that the United States and President Trump ever had a true agreement with Iran. What Iran thinks it got out of this ceasefire was the ability to control the Straits of Hormuz, to exact tolls and other tribute from ships going through it. And when we tried to pass ships on the Omani side or without paying, the Iranians attacked. So we never really had a deal. And it's not a surprise that it's breaking down. I think the question is what the President is willing to do to enforce it and to keep the straits open and to set this free navigation standard

[Unknown Contributor 12]

for the world before These strikes started. Trump said he did not think an end to the cease fire would mean a return to full scale war. Is it going to be that simple? I mean, it seems like we've been involved in a full scale war for quite some time, even during this so called cease fire.

[Unknown Contributor 13]

And by the way, a war that we are losing. Jake, as I said, the President has never gotten us back to the status quo, which was a strait of Hormuz that was open to navigation without fees or tolls and that Iran did not control. You know, the Iran has been testing this all the way through and frankly, this war that we started has left us in a far worse position than we were in before.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can only think she's mad that she wasn't involved in this war. I mean, she likes this. This is what she does. She sparks wars. She hands out donuts. Let's get it going, boys. And then in this, yet another piece of audio that you didn't hear much

[Unknown Contributor 12]

of, I was asked why he's been apparently unable to end the Iran war. And after claiming that the US Was doing so well, he said this. Take a listen.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

They're dealing with very fine people.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? What? Come on. That's like a shoo in for the M5M.

[Adam Curry]

I couldn't understand it.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says we're dealing with very fine people.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

That's a beauty.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I missed. Oh, I couldn't hear it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a beauty. That's because of the stupid sound effect they throw in.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

They're dealing with very fine people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, God. Come on, man.

[Unknown Contributor 14]

That's.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

That's a shame.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that would admit. You're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you and I were running cnn, we be throwing out the very fine people on both sides clip immediately.

[Adam Curry]

Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

What a misser.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

They're dealing with Steve Woodkoff, they're dealing with Jared Kushner and J.D. vance, and dealing with Marco and Scott. They're dealing with great people, but I don't know, I think they're a little loco. They're a little crazy.

[Unknown Contributor 12]

What's your read on what's going wrong with the Trump administration's efforts to end the war? And do you think that the Iranian leaders. I don't know if I would say loco or crazy, but they are. They, I mean, they believe in some pretty extreme theological beliefs. And is it possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he say Iranian people or Iranian leaders? Let me catch that.

[Unknown Contributor 12]

The Iranian leaders.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, leaders.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Okay.

[Unknown Contributor 12]

I don't know if I would say loco or crazy, but they are. They, I mean, they believe in some pretty extreme theological beliefs. And is it possible you can't negotiate with them?

[Unknown Contributor 13]

Well, as you know, we did negotiate with them in the Obama administration, and we had a deal that we sent them money wasn't as broad and as strong as some of us would have liked, but nonetheless put a cap on the Iranian nuclear program. And President Trump ripped that up in his first term. We were trying to get back to that. And President Trump himself in the second term was trying to negotiate with, frankly, an Iranian leader who had once before reached an agreement with the United States. Instead, we bumped him off. And now we have a far more extreme set of leaders who have to prove themselves to each other. And frankly, if we're not willing to exact more pain on the Iranians, I mean, we, as part of this deal, immediately sanction relieved sanction pressure on them and allow them to sell oil again and to make money. Why should they come to the table? Why should they agree to anything?

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Of course.

[Adam Curry]

Whose side is she on?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds like she's on the other side.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, Scott Bessant immediately forbid them from selling oil. We've got, oh, no sanctions.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

And it's not just strikes going back and forth, is it? The US has also reimposed oil sanctions on Iran.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Yes. The US's initial response when we heard about this, really, just before those later strikes, was to revoke a license which temporarily lifted some sanctions on Iran as part of the Memorandum of understanding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take that, Vicky Nuland.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Into the cessation of hostilities. That's when these sanctions were first brought into effect. But the sanctions waiver had allowed the Islamic Republic to produce, sell, and deliver oil. So it was a key part of the process to get to the next stage of the negotiations between the US and Iran with the big issues, nuclear weapons, still to be resolved.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And also from Fariba, it was very clear that no one has really been hurt in Iran. The population is okay. And there's still more hijabs in Amsterdam than there are in Tehran. And they're actually building new.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that. Students don't wear them. Oh, that's over it, really. I think the people have shown the political leadership what they want, and I think the political.

[Adam Curry]

You talk about it in Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Iran. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And I think that meanwhile in Amsterdam, they're wearing the hijabs all over the place.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's the Red Green alliance. It's. This is the place. This is where the Muslims literally are running the cities everywhere. It's over here. It's over. That's it's over. But in Tehran, it's the irgc, or as Trump says, the irgj. It's the Imperial Revolutionary Guard of Japan. He does himself no favors with that. That's when people come to me, hey, man, your guy is no good. He's demented, he's got Alzheimer's, he's cheating at soccer. Yeah, well, we all make mistakes. That was a doozy, though. That was quite the doozy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, man, he's been making a few of those now and again, but he's always done that. Well, let's, let's go to some, just do some overview stuff with you got some analysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anal clips.

[Adam Curry]

Well, first. Well, let's start with these Al Jazeera clips. Trump NATO overview.

[John C. Dvorak]

NATO summit in Ankara has ended with new pledges of support for Ukraine and defense spending. But divisions remain over wider security challenges, including Iran and Turkey's defense ambitions.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

Senator Kosciolu reports from Ankara.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

US President Donald Trump used the final hours of the NATO summit in Ankara with a new promise on Ukraine. The US will license Patriot missile production, giving Kyiv another boost to its air defenses. It was the clearest announcement from a summit that also delivered something many allies had been looking for. Trump's renewed commitment to NATO.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

We're going to give a license to you to make patriots. That's pretty cool. Right this way. You can't complain that we're not giving them enough. It's a. Make them yourself.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Trump.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

He believes Russia and Ukraine are.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did he say?

[Adam Curry]

He gives a license. We're giving you a license to make the pay. Make them yourself. You want missiles, here, here's a license, here's a blueprint. Make them yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, actually, actually I looked into that. The way it goes is they have to have a subsidiary of. Who makes them. Northrop. I'm not sure who makes them.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I think it's, I think it's Raytheon.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they get the license to do it, but the license goes to a joint venture company that is co owned and co operated by the manufacturer here in America.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you want that? Otherwise, of course, build the design. Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the license is, you know, it's not like, you know, sign here and

[Adam Curry]

you're good to go. Yeah, true, but it's still a license. Y get to make them there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but with, with our people in the room.

[Adam Curry]

And that takes steel to design. Yeah, sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

It takes a bit to get that all going. So that's not going to be done for a while.

[Adam Curry]

The war will be, I, I would predict that the war will be over before they actually make one missile.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'll take that bet because I got, I got some other clips after we go through these of yours.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Patriots. That's pretty cool, right, Larry? This way you can't come up complain that we're not giving them enough. I say make them yourself.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

Trump said he believes Russia and Ukraine are moving closer to negotiations. Leaders also back their political commitments with money, pledging nearly $80 billion in military support for Ukraine next year with a matching commitment for 2027, while announcing more than $50 billion in new NATO's defense procurements. But the summit was also shared by tensions with Iran. Trump insisted the exchange of attacks would not spiral into a wider conflict.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I don't think so. I think anything that happens is going to be over very quickly and will only make it safer, including for oil.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is hoping it helps secure the F35 jets Ankara paid for and a path back into the program.

[Unknown Contributor 2]

Regarding the F35s, Mr. Trump actually has

[Adam Curry]

a positive approach towards Turkey.

[John C. Dvorak]

God willing, when the F35s are delivered

[Adam Curry]

to Turkey, the whole world will say that America kept its promise. They won't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably not.

[Adam Curry]

The whole world's not going to say anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so either.

[Adam Curry]

Who cares about it? You know, I mean, I don't even know why this. Well, there's something going on with those F35s. But yeah, let's skip to but the more kind of, the kind of the issues that were going on with Trump condemning NATO and trying to get out some of these other things, at least as interpreted by some of these news organizations. This is Trump versus NATO.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

One.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you, Richard.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

The NATO summit is winding down after a bumpy two days of high stakes diplomatic meetings in Ankara. Since Trump took office again last year, tension has only grown over Ukraine, over Iran, Arctic security and President Trump's highly transactional view of global alliances.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

One of the presidents of a big country stood up, said, well, sir, if we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia, will you protect us? I said, you didn't pay. You're delinquent. He said, yes, let's say that happened. No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want.

[Adam Curry]

You got to pay.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

You got to pay your bills. I think it's common sense, right? If they don't pay, I'm not going to defend them. No, I'm not going to defend him. I got into a lot of Heat. When I said that, he said, oh, he's violating NATO. We're defending the strait for everybody else. And then in the case of NATO, they don't want to help us defend the strait, and they're the ones that need it. We're very disappointed with NATO because NATO has done absolutely Nothing. I said 25 years ago that NATO is a paper tiger, but more importantly, that we'll come to their rescue, but they will never come to ours. We were disappointed with the uk we were disappointed with Germany and France. We're disappointed with most of them. I just want loyalty, you know, we're so loyal to them. We're always fighting for them. We have thousands of troops all over Europe. Europe in Germany, we have 50,000 troops. And then you want a little. Give us a little nudge, Give us a little kiss. We don't want much.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

Since taking office, NATO's Secretary General, Mark Rutte, has set to work trying to keep Trump engaged with the alliance with an unabashed charm offensive, he recently headed into the Oval Office armed with large charts, crediting the president for a massive spike in spending by NATO allies. But despite the relentless praise from Russia, the existential question, can America's allies successfully repair and maintain ties with this Trump administration while still preserving their own independence on the world stage?

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't believe they didn't play a soundbite of Rutte. That guy is television gold.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know this Al Jazeera.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got you.

[Adam Curry]

So the one thing that's always left kind of left out is one of the reasons Trump's so irked is that during this Iranian incursion, they had their couple of aircraft carriers and they wanted to refuel them, like in Spain and some other ports. And the Spanish. No, we don't want to see that aircraft carrier here, anywhere around here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have the Spain bit?

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is old. I mean, this was like, at the very beginning of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, but do you have the bit from the press conference about Spain?

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Spain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, let me. Let me play it for you.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

This.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, play it.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is fantastic.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I spoke to Germany, I spoke to

[John C. Dvorak]

France because this, this, this part was in your Al Jazeera piece. But not the Spain bit. Again, a disservice.

[Adam Curry]

I don't get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, disservice to their viewers.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I spoke to Germany, I spoke to France, spoke to uk, spoke to Italy. I spoke to. I didn't speak to Spain. Spain is a wasted cause. We don't want to do any trade business with Spain anymore. By the way, I'd like you to cut it off. Spain is a terrible partner in NATO. They don't participate, they don't pay. I don't want anything to do with Spain. Cut off all trade with Spain. Please, please. Including visits, Nothing. Okay. We don't want anything to do. Watch them. Watch them come running back. They'll come running back. They treat this man terribly. This man's a good man, too. Great man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great man.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

They're lucky to have him. But Spain doesn't agree to anything. And you shouldn't carry him. I mean, you sort of automatically carry because you're protecting an area. So they're there. So they probably figured they have to protect us, Right? But we don't have to. We don't have to trade with them. I don't want to do any more trade with them. All right, Immediately. Don't even talk to them.

[Unknown Contributor 16]

Yes, sir.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

They hold hopeless, bad people because, you know, they. They have everybody else going and paying and working in Spain, in particular Spain, there are a couple of others, but in particular Spain, they're open about it, they're hostile about it. And let's see how they remain when they call up and they. Please, please. We want to trade with you, sir. We want to trade with you, sir. They make so much money with us, and we're going to see that they make a lot less. I want no business with them.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

I just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like he was just talking to people off camera. Cut it off. Cut off all trade with them. No more visits, no more visitation for you. You can't visit our country, Spain. No, you're not coming in. Fantastic. Why don't they play?

[Adam Curry]

That was a terrific. Yes. I only heard part of that, but now that I hear the whole thing, I'm going to give you a clip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. Bend over, everybody.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

You begging for it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I had my finger on the button, so, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So, yes, this is the issue. He's got an issue. And this was, to me, suppressed news.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why, though?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Well, there's the question. We have to try to figure out why was that suppressed? So nobody that's listening to this show heard any of that except on this show? No, and it should have been top of the news,

[John C. Dvorak]

I think above the

[Adam Curry]

fold, as they say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me do it.

[Adam Curry]

But no, we got nothing. There was, in fact, we showed by the clips that I played. They cut it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they did not. That's the. That's the kicker of the.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

That's the.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a look. Do you want people watching your news?

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Or not.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what people watch for. Ah, Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, they're doing. There's. That's because there's an alternate. There's some something going on. Let's play part two of the Trump versus NATO.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, actually it says three, but it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but you have Trump versus NATO.

[Adam Curry]

T. Oh, there is two. Oh, sorry.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

What might a potential reset mean for global defense? Richard Gaisford has this report 5 through

[Unknown Contributor 1]

6 on Bravo US Marines in action in Eastern Europe last week on a joint training exercise with Romanian counterparts. It's all part of ongoing NATO cooperation that for more than seven decades has seen members ready to fight together against a common enemy. The treaty was agreed right here in Washington D.C. back in 1949 with 12 countries coming together to sign it inside the historic building behind me. Now, times might have changed, but a bit like the facade of the auditorium here, the ethos of NATO has stayed pretty much the same. Although it's unlikely those who created NATO would have thought one of the biggest threats to its existence could have come from inside America itself. Since he first took office, Donald Trump shown disdain for the long standing alliance, believing smaller countries have become reliant on the United States and were unwilling to fund their own defense.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

NATO members must finally contribute their fair share and meet their financial obligations. But 23 of the 28 member nations are still not paying what they should be paying and what they are supposed to be paying for their defense. This is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the United States.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

The President's ever shifting stance on supporting Ukraine's certainly tested nerves within NATO.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ever shifting stance. I don't think it's ever shifting. Is it ever shifting?

[Adam Curry]

Not that I can tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

For their defense. This is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the United States.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

The President's ever shifting stance on. On supporting Ukraine's certainly tested nerves within NATO with its Secretary General doing what he can in the President's second term to keep him on side.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. I don't have many disagreements with the President states no unity's been stretched.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

Trump's desire to take control of Greenland

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

and NATO's got to understand that. I'm all for NATO. I saved NATO. If it weren't for me, you wouldn't have a NATO right now. But we're not going to allow Russia or China to occupy Greenland and that's what's going to happen if we don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I have to say.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on. That's an old clip that's an old clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

And the whole thing is brought to the fore by Macron out of the blue and during these meetings, saying, well, you know, if we were ready to send our troops to fight the USA in Greenland, if it was necessary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Macron is on the outskirts here.

[Adam Curry]

Everyone else is fully on the hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got to play 30 seconds of Ruta. I just got to play it. No one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay. Play R. I know you just.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one is playing him.

[Adam Curry]

He spices up the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody. Nobody's playing Mark here in Ankara. I expect nations to present clear.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

Yes.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

Concrete, incredible plans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plans. We want plans and your money to reach that 5% goal. 5%. And the evidence we see so far. Yes.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Is impressive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Impressive. I had a good visit last week with President Trump. I showed my PowerPoint. I called him Trillion dollar Trimpy. And it's great. And we discussed the staggering increase in defense spending by Europeans and Canadians. And of course, this is because of Putin and Russia and Ukraine, but also because he.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

President Trump has been extremely forceful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Encouraging us to do this.

[Unknown Contributor 14]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Forceful to encourage us to do it. You better do it. Yes. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Very good. Very good. That was it. I just need to play that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay. But you continue with this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Number three. Yeah. NATO.

[Unknown Contributor 16]

Three.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

NATO launched Arctic Sentry to reassure leaders in the US And Europe that it could maintain high levels of vigilance in the area. Although weeks later there was further friction when NATO members declined to offer help in the US Conflict with Iran, refusing to send warships into the Strait of Hormuz because we don't need them, but

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

they should have been there.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

That's reinforced Trump's view of a one sided alliance, prompting a now familiar refrain.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

But we weren't treated well because we did something in Iran. We don't need anybody's help. I didn't even want their help, but before I asked, they said they wouldn't be there. But, you know, why are we spending hundreds of billions of dollars and they're not there for us? We've always been there for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Coalition warship Foxtrot 310 operating in support of the United Nations Security Council resolution.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

Allies hope promises to increase their defense spending will help smooth the way as NATO members meet. But leaders know, based on recent experience, under the surface, tensions could easily emerge. Richard Gaisford, Al Jazeera, Washington.

[Adam Curry]

Now. Now go to the analysis clip, which would be my last one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's see.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

Anal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. Oops.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

We are joined now by Jim Townsend, the former US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for European and NATO policy, as well as Ambassador Michael Carpenter, who was most recently the Senior Director, Director for Europe on the National Security Council under President Joe Biden. Gentlemen, thank you both so much for joining us today. It was a remarkable NATO summit in Ankara. And I want to start with the news. Repeated blasting of NATO by Trump, despite the fact that this is meant to be an event that shows the unity, the solidarity of the alliance. Repeatedly saying, I'm not happy with NATO. He went after Spain repeatedly. France, Great Britain and Germany. Jim, this acrimony from Trump towards the NATO alliance not even softening when he's sitting in front of the Secretary General in the warm embrace of all these allies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, absolutely. And the Secretary General had to keep a stony face as he was listening to what the president was saying. And so this is something that is. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Are they saying that Mark Rutte. That he had to keep a stony face because he disagrees and thinks our president is stupid?

[Adam Curry]

That's kind of what they implied.

[John C. Dvorak]

He loves Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know. We've proven that.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's the top sales guy. Trump loves him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

That's crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Al Jazeera allies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, absolutely. And the Secretary General had to keep a stony face as he was listening to what the president was saying. And so this is something that is gotten outrageous. He has just a stuck record. He just seems to repeat the same talking points over and over and over again. Now he's singling out nations.

[Adam Curry]

You know, stop. He's a stuck record. I thought he was all over the map. He's inconsistent. He's saying one thing, then saying another, then saying another. But now he's a stuck record.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

You can keep your minds, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

You really notice it here in this country. If you notice how stuck everybody is. I mean, we have a lot of that in our news media and people who. I mean, it's popular.

[Adam Curry]

You're referring to Holland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, to Holland. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out how to frame it. People will approach me, friends, family, people I don't even know, and they immediately assume that you are going to take on the. Yeah, Trump's crazy Roma eyes. And if you say, well, you know, there's a couple things he's doing, then it breaks. You know, you break through so easily. But everybody, everybody has this. They're afraid to give their opinion. And we're not Trump lovers. First of all, I think he's great for the show, that we've always said that. And it's going to be a sad day when he's gone, when they take him out, you know, take him out. But it's just everywhere. It's so rampant. What is this mind control that people are afraid to just say, well, he sucks there, and that's dumb, but, you know, we don't have any immigrants. We're getting rid of them and we don't have the stupid climate change. And they. You just have to say those two things in any country in Europe. Well, yes, that's. You're true. That's true. That's true. Yes. You know, I do have a problem with that here in this country.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

Country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, but what is that? What is this? Has this always existed or is this just worse than it's ever been? The whole world cannot. They're afraid to say any. Anything positive.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you've kind of introduced a. A question that is not easily answerable. I think it always has existed. It's hard to notice. I think there's an underlying thing. I mean, this reminds me. I mean, at least 20 or 30 years ago, it was at one of these big conferences and I was talking to some CEO of a very large company.

[John C. Dvorak]

You won't mention his name.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if I could remember his name or the company, I would. But it was 30 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fair game. Fair game.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Game.

[Adam Curry]

So. And it was about some green energy. Some. They had made an announcement about the climate change. It was one of its little peak moments. And I said, I went up to the guy, said, you know, it's interesting you guys are doing this, but you really think. I mean, I. I think climate change is a hoax of. Not. Or some sort of. Just a. Some sort of scam. I can't figure out what an opposite. And I didn't use the term then because I wasn't. I wasn't that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Right into the scene. And the guy said. The guy just was quick without missing a piece. Oh, yeah, we know. It's bullshit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, right. Exactly. Exactly. The troll room is making some good points that this was. That Covid. Was the. The point where this happened because anyone. I mean, it was so strong. If you were against what was happening, everybody, politicians, the media, your neighbors, your fa. It broke up families. I think that's where this came from. That's. That's a reasonable point. That that was.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think it's always been there, but maybe that's. Maybe it's exaggerated because.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think so.

[Adam Curry]

It cranked it up.

[Unknown Contributor 16]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And now I can say, yeah, like that works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Funny enough, that's the one thing that people now even here saying, yeah, that was bullcrap. That made no sense.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but the shots are still out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll get to that in a moment. He just seems to repeat the same talking points over and over and over again. Now he's singling out nations, you know, in front of them. And this undercuts the alliance, it hurts unity, and it is embarrassing to the United States, and I think allies are tired of it.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

Michael, the most recent thing to anger Trump when it comes to NATO is the fact that they didn't get involved in the war with Iran, which of course the US And Israel started. How are these NATO allies dealing with this accusation that they should have had a bigger role?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think they're pushing back, as they should.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, NATO is a defensive alliance. It doesn't go on offensive wars.

[Adam Curry]

What. What about Libya?

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't go on offensive war.

[Adam Curry]

Explain Libya.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't do that. No, we came, we, we saw he died. Where is, where's my girl McDeath? Isn't that her name? Here we go. I always love playing her.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

So, I mean, that is the land of unconfirmed. Yes, we came, we saw, he died.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did it have anything to do with your visit? We killed him. I love it. Okay, so now back to my fun loving clip so we can all have another laugh about the president because he just keeps on entertaining.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

United States President Donald Trump has reignited a bitter diplomatic feud with Italy, sharing a provocative social media post mocking Prime Minister Giorgio Meloni before a critical NATO summit in Ankara. Trump uploaded an image of the two leaders on his true social media account with a sarcastic caption suggesting he needed a restraining order against her. With the inflammatory post appearing on the eve of highlights level security meetings, the Italian government has indicated that Meloni and Foreign Minister Antonio Tani are choosing to ignore Trump's post at this time. The personal dispute highlights a deep and accelerating chill in bilateral relations which began fracturing over Middle east policy, criticism of Pope Leo xiv, and Italy's refusal to permit American forces to use domestic airfields. While Trump did not explicitly refer to it in his latest social media post, he seemed to be building on a claim of his last month that Melanie had begged him for a photo at the G7 summit. Trump said that he agreed to do so out of pity, prompting a fierce response from Rome stating that neither she nor Italy ever been.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love the restraining order line. That's too good. That's just.

[Adam Curry]

That's a beauty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, and I'm sure she thinks it's funny too I think she.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's hope so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think she has that humor. Okay, so we do have a quote from the President about what's going on between Russia and Ukraine. And I am going to state again that was happening right now what Ukraine is doing with their drones and they're blowing stuff up in Moscow. You're going to push this guy too far and he's going to make a big boom, something.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, hold on a second. You were predicting this boom weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. Only two shows ago. Not weeks and weeks ago.

[Adam Curry]

No, it wasn't two shows ago. You were in. You didn't do it from Holland. You did it from Texas and you were in Holland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, okay. I mean, how long. What is the time, the frame that I get for this?

[Adam Curry]

What, for an A bomb being.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't say dropped in Ukraine, Said a big boom. I didn't say an A bomb. They've got these rods from God.

[Adam Curry]

You hinted it was an A bomb.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something big is going to just call something bad and big is going to happen and it's going to be Ukraine. It won't be European.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is not going to be over. Now, here's what the President says, which I just disagree with this. Daniel, you've made a career making deals in very challenging situations, speaking to President Zelensky, speaking to President Putin. In your view, sir, what is the most pragmatic pathway forward to finding a long term peace deal?

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I just think they're going to make a deal. Okay. This deal has been in the works for a long time. It's got the pluses, the minuses. They know what it is. He knows what it is better than anybody. And I just think it's. It's sometimes, you know, I used an analogy and it sounds simple, but it's sort of true. You have two kids in a park and they don't like each other and they start fighting. Sometimes you have to let them fight, let them see that, that it's tough. You know, it's tough. Fighting is tough. And he's done an amazing job. Look, he's been, he's been very effective. He's had the best equipment because he's had our equipment. And he said, great, but somebody has to use that equipment. And you have a lot of brave people that are using that equipment.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. So I'm not a big fan of like, oh, just let him fight on because this stuff has to end. But there's a new player. There's new things that are happening suddenly. And this is partially the old world order coming back together to create their own liberal rules based order and cut out the United States. And the new player is Canada.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Look, I think the President, President, as did President Obama, which I just said to someone else, is looking for a shift of the burden within NATO. That's appropriate, that is happening, that's gaining momentum. That's part of the point I made to President Trump when we spoke a few days ago, is that it's not just he's winning the argument.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Carney, of course, in case

[Unknown Contributor 5]

you didn't know, he's won the argument. Countries recognize that they need to take more responsibility. See the direct threats. Now the question for NATO and part of what we will discuss and part of the point I will make in the room with my three and a half minutes of time, so, which is

[John C. Dvorak]

about a quarter of the length of

[Unknown Contributor 5]

my normal answer, I know, so I apologize is that those shifting burdens are going to be in our view most effectively done, obviously with greater capacity. We have to spend more, we have to build these capacities. That's what we're doing. But in ways that recognize the regions in which we operate. So for Canada, North America, obviously up until now, NATO has said, well, North American security, that's your problem. Well, North American, American security and particularly Arctic security. And remind everybody that, you know, we've got 15% of the world's coastline. Arctic security is not a flank, it's a front. With the shift in, with the shift in the threats and Russia as a direct adversary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Attention Canadians, you are being drawn into this. Attention Canadians, you're about to be hoodwinked.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

So spending there and coordination, not just Canada, but Canada, the Nordics, Canada, Germany, Canada, France, Canada, the Baltics, that Canada,

[John C. Dvorak]

Germany is, is Canada near Germany, John, let me check. Canada, Germany, let me look. Take a look. Look out your window for NATO.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

So that, that's where the discussion in our judgment needs to go and that is where the, the planning is going now.

[John C. Dvorak]

The planning is going there. So to understand what is going on, we bring in our resident Canadian expert in all things Ukraine, my boy, Andrew Rasulas.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

We're joined now by Andrew Rasulis. He's a fellow with the Canadian Global Affairs Institute and a retired Department of National Defense official. Andrew, always great having you on the show.

[Unknown Contributor 14]

Good afternoon, Deanna.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Andrew, let's talk about Canada's position in this upcoming NATO summit. NATO allies, as we said, it's the

[Unknown Contributor 15]

unspoken agenda to manage Trump and ensure

[Unknown Contributor 6]

that the US indeed stays in the alliance. Where do you think, Captain? Canada's role is in this specific context?

[Unknown Contributor 14]

Well, Canada is going to be playing two roles. One is on the financial side, which is very close to our Prime Minister's expertise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Unknown Contributor 14]

And the other one will be again in light of Canada's domestic constituency, you know, arguing for sustained and long term assistance to Ukraine. As Ukraine and Russia are locked in a room, real tough battle to see who's going to give way before there's any room for a compromise solution or a win win solution. But we're not there yet. But that's where the Prime Minister will be.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what is a win win solution? Well, we know that all wars are banker wars. And Mark Carney, the Prime Minister or Prime Minister. Right, Prime Minister. Premier.

[Adam Curry]

Prime Minister.

[John C. Dvorak]

Prime Minister. Premier. Prime Minister.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's not the Premier, he's the Prime Minister.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, that's why there's two of them. The Prime Minister of Canada is an actual banker's banker. He ran the bank of England. This is a central banker. You have a banker running the show. A banker loves to run the war. And for him it's always win win.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

Are we any closer to a potential

[Unknown Contributor 6]

deal there than we were in the last few years?

[Unknown Contributor 14]

Well, I believe we are. The thing is that it is. This war is existential for Russian interests and Ukrainian interests, which is why it's taking so long and so many casualties and so much effort and suffering until both sides can come to a point which they're not there yet, where they can make. What we would need in diplomacy is a win win solution that is some kind of compromises. Now for the Russians, as we know in your report, you just gave it that dog, those that, that the fortress belt is fundamental for Russia and it's equally fundamental for Ukraine. So they could, they need to find a way of getting over that one and sort of finding some kind of a compromise that allows both sides to essentially declare victory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now how do we do that? We need money and we already took the Russian money. Then we gave that to Ukraine. We need more money. Where could we get some more money? I'm thinking we could get that from the Canadian citizens.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Let's talk a little bit about this 80 billion dollar military aid package. Canada will be participating in it.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

That will be likely going towards Ukraine.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

How important is this and what do you think?

[Adam Curry]

What it's 80?

[Unknown Contributor 4]

This?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is the Defense bank set up, announced by Canada and NATO. No one, no one talked about this. That the Canadian people will be footing the bill or at least backing it. We'll hear that in the next clip of $80 billion. Now, it's unclear if that's US dollars or Canadian dollars because then it's not such a big deal. But if it's US dollars, it would

[Adam Curry]

still be 60 billion.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a lot of money.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

It's allocated for.

[Unknown Contributor 14]

Well, it's allocated to support Ukraine's strategic defense and Russia. Right now, Ukraine's strategic defense can be broken down into two key component parts. One, maintain an active defense along the 1,000 kilometers and extract a greater proportion of casualties of Russian troops compared to Ukrainian troops, thereby exhausting Russia's ability to find replacements. That's number one for Ukraine. Number two. Number one is kill bombarding Russia. Russia in terms of its interior economy, particularly the gas and the oil production facilities, to, as the Ukrainians say, bring the war to the Russian people. And so by so doing, they hope to wear down political support in Russia for the war, which still generally is above 50% in favor of fighting and winning against Ukraine. So there's a way to, to go on that one, but there are lineups of gas stations and you know, a deal would be welcome. But again, it's Russia cannot be seen to be losing.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

And we have seen those attacks within Russia, indeed attacks on the city of Moscow. That's something that Russia has not seen

[Unknown Contributor 6]

in decades and decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am telling you now, Canadian citizens, our northern neighbors, we do love you. We really the ones who listen to the show. At least you're on the hook for this. And the big boom. Why wouldn't Moscow just blow up? Canada? We could take out, you know, what's a spot we could take out in Canada? That would make sense.

[Adam Curry]

That would make sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. For Russia. They're hitting their oil and gas stuff. So where's the oil and gas?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but a couple pipelines would probably make sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, listen to this deal that Canada is going to put together with the bankers. Bankers.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Mark Carney, let's talk a little bit about back to sort of Canada's role. I mean, we know that there's potential discussion of setting up a Global Defense Bank. We know that, you know, Carney is

[Unknown Contributor 15]

coming into this meeting after that Davos

[Unknown Contributor 6]

speech about the importance of middle powers. Talk to us about the Global Defense Bank. What would this look like and what kind of a potential leadership role could Canada have with it?

[Unknown Contributor 11]

It.

[Unknown Contributor 14]

Well, this is a natural for the Prime Minister given his banking background. So what the, what the Defense bank is. And it's not a done deal yet and there's going to be a lot of discussion in Anchor over this one. But basically it's. Think of it like a World bank, but a World bank for defense spending. So basically what Canada is trying to do is get a certain number of countries, I don't know the critical mass that's required, and they put in money which then allows the bank, which would be based in Canada, that's already been decided that we don't know which city. And then they would give cheap or inexpensive loans to certain countries that need to make equipment purchases and so on. So it's kind of like, as I say, a World bank that makes procurement easier, but you need to have a core funding base for that. And that's where they have not crossed the line yet. There's not enough people. There are some countries that have signed up, but the numbers, the critical mass has not yet been reached. And the Prime Minister is working very hard at doing that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know, I read in these, like, conservative tree house, these Herb, Lindsey Graham and all these senators, they're going over to Ankara. What are they doing there? The warmongers, their sales guys. They see $90 billion worth of Canada is going to spend on defense. And Lindsey Graham wants to come to Boeing in South Carolina. This is what this is about aboot.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. All that money's coming down here.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's coming to us.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everyone's collecting. It's. I mean, this is when you have a. We have a crappy education system, but our media isn't quite that bad. I mean, is anyone in Canada up in arms about this? I think they should be.

[Adam Curry]

They should be.

[John C. Dvorak]

They should be. It's just like, wow. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I don't want to change the topic, but since we're talking about Canada.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure.

[Adam Curry]

Talk about being up in arms. I think that this clip I have, which is about their death cult going

[John C. Dvorak]

on the MAID program.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is a. One of the. I think one of the representatives in. Although they don't have meetings anymore, it turns out that Carney's just calling all the shots and there's no legislation going on at all.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

I want to draw attention to Canada.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry, but this is a clip play.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

I want to draw attention to three concerns about the widening scope of euthanasia in Canada. These are not concerns from the fringes, but statements from a member of a provincial medical college, recommendations before parliament and the reality of MAID right now in Canada, and most Canadians are not yet aware of the extent of the horror. The first concern is about a statement regarding infants. A member of the Quebec College of Physicians has formally stated that MAID may be an appropriate treatment for babies from birth to 1 year of age who come into the world with severe deformities and very serious syndromes and that parents should have the opportunity to obtain this care for their infant. Canadian law currently permits the withdrawal of life sustaining treatment for critically ill newborns. This medical practitioner's proposal goes further. He calls for the calculated killing of an infant. These are patients, babies who cannot speak, cannot consent and cannot ask for help. If we cannot draw the line here, I am not sure where medical professionals imagine the line to be. The second concern is a proposal regarding mature minors. A proposal by the Special Joint Committee on Medical Assistance in dying has recommended extending maid to children with parental consent described as optional. A physician, not a child's parent, would determine whether a child is able to consent to his own death. In this discussion, MAID advocates showed their true colors and defended the rationale for euthanizing minors without consulting their parents. Yet 46. Three expert witnesses call this recommendation deeply flawed. I might call it something stronger. The third concern is euthanasia on demand. Ontario's chief coroner has documented maid deaths driven not by illness but by poverty, loneliness and lack of housing. Approximately half of those who died by MAID in 2024 reported requesting it because they felt like a burden to their families, friends or caregivers. These are not necessarily people dying of terminal illness. These are Canadians failed by a system that chose to offer them lethal injection rather than the support and hope they needed to live.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, now you really bummed me out. I was having a good time. I was having a pretty good time on the show. I mean, this is. This is. How about just. Just try Jesus for one second? You know, at least before you go to that extreme. They're doing that here too. Too. I believe it's 12 year olds up to 12 without or starting at 12 without parental consent can euthanize themselves if you're depressed or not having a good time.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know that to be true in the Netherlands.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's true.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there. When you say. I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm here. I'm in Amsterdam. I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know. Sorry, I can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's okay.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds like you're right next door.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know.

[Adam Curry]

So they're doing that in Holland too?

[Unknown Contributor 8]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's horrible.

[Adam Curry]

This is like a suicide cult.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't even have words for it. It's like this seems like there's so many more options before You, I mean, how do you get into that mental state?

[Adam Curry]

A sock cop?

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Other than then, the whole culture is telling you it's okay to do this with, I guess, incessant media support.

[Adam Curry]

The media should be pushing back on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

You would hope.

[Adam Curry]

The media is totally irresponsible.

[John C. Dvorak]

You would hope.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, they just were just a bunch of ghouls that have no feelings whatsoever for their fellow masses.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess it actually kind of disturbs me. It's like.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it should.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's not okay.

[Adam Curry]

I've been sitting on this clip forever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, I've been sitting on one of these clips for several weeks because every show comes up in my prep and it doesn't come up. And it's about time we talk about cyclospora. I mean, we just got to talk about it.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Health officials are monitoring a growing outbreak of a parasitic infection in several states, including Virginia and North Carolina. It's called psychopariasis and there have been at least 300 cases in Michigan, the most in the U.S. at least 20

[Unknown Contributor 11]

people have been hospitalized.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

And doctors say the illness comes from drinking water and food infected with the parasite, like fresh veggies or produce. Here's one of the symptoms.

[John C. Dvorak]

Veggies symptoms can be pretty debilitating, including that explosive diarrhea. What's particularly scary about this parasite sucks Cyclospora is you can't see or smell or taste it. So if water, fruits or vegetables are contaminated, you're not actually going to know.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

Now, to protect yourself from infection, thoroughly

[Unknown Contributor 6]

wash your produce, even if it says that it's been pre washed. And do not drink water when swimming.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the key line here is explosive diarrhea. And you know, the jokes almost write themselves, but no one's doing it, you know, I mean, I don't. Again, we should be running some of these news organizations. I mean, CDC has issued a code brown. I mean, you could do anything you want. CDC has issued a travel advisory with its own exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're right there. Yeah, you're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wash your produce, people. Or at least clear your calendar. I mean, come on, what is this? Has this ever existed in our lives before? The cyclospora with explosive diarrhea?

[Adam Curry]

We'd have to do some research to find out what the hell is going on here. Because, I mean, it could be something created in a lab for all we know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it could be. It's a nasty one. Explosive diarrhea. I mean.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and debilitating I guess is the key word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, no kidding. It's just like, wow. Oh, okay. Explosive diarrhea.

[Adam Curry]

This is around this sort of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's time for the whatever girls. The forever girls. Whatever.

[Adam Curry]

I don't have any forever girls today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

But I do have a COVID vaccine story in Australia that McCullough gives that I thought was worth repeating.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, AI could be used to study the conformational changes in the spike protein.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

The spike protein, when it folds, it

[John C. Dvorak]

exposes different regions to produce antibodies. So an opportunity for misadventure was shown in a Australian vaccine. You know, one of the early Australian

[Unknown Contributor 15]

spike protein antigenic vaccines exposed the region

[John C. Dvorak]

of the spike protein that has homology with hiv. And all of the Australian human subjects turned HIV positive after getting their experiment

[Unknown Contributor 15]

COVID vaccine that was back in 2021.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is astounding that the COVID vaccine, you know, campaign and the empire that it's become has had so many

[Unknown Contributor 15]

missteps and has produced, you know, commercially

[John C. Dvorak]

grossly unsafe and completely ineffective vaccines. Yeah, I think he's just talking to the wind. I don't see.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, it's over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anything ever coming up. But there is is, I think another serious side effect of the COVID vaccines that is just now starting to play out. And it always happens when it happens to a celebrity.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

TGA journalist and former Today anchor Katie Couric is revealing a recent health scare that caused her to experience short term memory loss. She wrote about it on her substack, calling it, quote, the Day I'll never Remember. In it, she describes a recent Saturday, a couple Saturdays ago when she was in Colorado at the Aspen Ideas Festival. I actually was there as well. Had a nice conversation with Katie the night before all of this. Katie says it was a Saturday morning. She went to grab a hot dog with her husband at the festival before she was set to moderate two panels. But that's the last thing I remember. Katie couldn't remember the month or the year. And when she was asked who was president, she believed it was Joe Biden and it was 2024. Katie says the memory loss only lasted for that period of the day. She was later diagnosed with something called transient global amnesia.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this. So when I first heard this, I'm like, well, you know, we all have our moments. She's 69.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she's also a podcaster now. Oh, and this is good publicity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you would think. But then when I heard the same news model, who I am sure is also vaxed to the hilt. Sorry for those who have accepted the vaccine into their lives. She's had it, too.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

And here to help us understand a little more about that diagnosis is NBC News medical reporter Dr. Akshay Sayel. Dr. Sayel, it does sound pretty frightening. And at first, Katie's husband and doctors thought that she might have had a stroke. They said initiate stroke protocol in the hospital, but she, she didn't. What is transient global amnesia? How common or rare is it?

[Unknown Contributor 3]

It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's, you know, it can be a

[Unknown Contributor 9]

really frightening condition, Kate. But fortunately, it is benign for those who haven't heard about it. TGA, or transient global amnesia, affects about 5 to 10 per 100,000 people every year. I mean, it sort of consists of the sudden short term memory loss and inability to form new memories. So, for example, you know, patients will often say, you know, could you repeat that? And they almost don't remember asking the question and don't remember getting the answer. So they tend to need to be repeated things over and over, unable to form those new memories. And it typically resolves within hours, about six hours or so, but definitely within 24 hours from onset.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Do we know what causes these episodes? And it can happen to anybody.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

It can happen to anyone, Christine. But you know, the biggest risk factor, the most people. We see this in people age 50 to 70, it's about equally as common. In between men and women, we tend to see, you know, equal parts of the. But guys, those with a history of migraines, about six times more likely to have this. And it's a strong correlation there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so I'm gonna put my tinfoil hat on because Katie Couric specifically talks about. Oh, I thought Joe Biden was my president and this news model, it happened to her during election night.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

It's just.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's too many coincidences here.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Yeah, I have a history of migraines, and I'm just gonna tell you, this actually happened to me. Really? 20 years ago? Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, 20 years ago. Oh, that doesn't count then. Okay, I'm sorry, I didn't hear that part. I don't know. I think it's a possibility.

[Adam Curry]

It is a. Everything's a possibility.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I thought she had it during election night.

[Unknown Contributor 16]

20 years ago.

[Adam Curry]

20 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's no good. That's no good.

[Adam Curry]

Does you remember that, that it was 20 years ago? That's pretty good memory.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't matter, because we have other issues which could be.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Vax induced infertility has been rising over the last few years, especially among women age aged 35 to 49 years. According to New Research published in the Lancet. Cases of infertility among women in this age group will approach 80 million by 2036, a sharp rise from around 53 million in 2023, with the sharpest increase expected among women aged 35 to 39. The authors note this is mainly driven by age related declines in in eggs reserve and their ability to fertilize, which reduce fecundity, increase miscarriage risk and lower the success rates of assisted reproductive technologies. Analyzing data.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't understand it.

[Adam Curry]

No. The guy's a mumbler and he's got some weird accent I can't pick up on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is always Euro news.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what he's talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

That 80 million women will be infertile in their fertile years. Over the next five years, this huge. Oh, there's vaccines, huge infertility epidemic, I would say. Well, they got what they wanted. They always wanted to kill us off.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you know, the population worldwide, white population is only 8%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they want to kill everybody. I don't think it's a color thing. They just want to kill everybody off.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but the whites have got to kill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go have you. Hey, wait a minute. Let me call the boys from the patriot front. Oh, wait, that's the wrong guys.

[Adam Curry]

That's the wrong guys. So I do have an Ebola clip, but I do want also want to ask you doing it, it's not quite an ask, Adam, but what are the two largest cities in the world, do you think?

[John C. Dvorak]

The two largest cities in the world?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. In terms of population, it's got to

[John C. Dvorak]

be something in South America. Is it Brazil?

[Adam Curry]

My understanding that the largest city is Mexico City at 35 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's pretty big. Yeah, it's pretty big.

[Adam Curry]

What do you think the second largest city in the world is?

[John C. Dvorak]

In the world? See, this is where I'd be like Buenos Aires. I don't know why I'm saying that.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's actually Dhaka, Bangladesh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Here's a clip about the pollution problem they got, which it's a throwaway, but I think it's worth knowing about.

[John C. Dvorak]

For centuries, rivers surrounding Bangladesh's capital were its lifelines. But the waterways. Talk about an accent. Now choking with industrial waste, sewage and rubbish. Millions of dollars have been spent on restoration projects. But the pollution is threatening public health, the environment and the economy. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Didn't we have a big back in the 60s, some kind of music thing for Bangladesh?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wasn't the Beatles involved in that?

[Adam Curry]

Everybody was Involved. I don't remember what the purpose of it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why does this stuff never work? It's all just. It's just to sell records. It turns out. USA from Africa, you know that we are the world. Band Aid. Bono. Anything Bono does Farm aid. Farm aid this time. VIJ Howdry reports now from Dhaka, Bangladesh's capital. Dhaka is the world's second largest city, home to nearly 37 million people. As the mega city expands, a fight to keep it livable is unfolding along the four rivers that won't sustain it. Abu said his family has farmed this land on the outskirts of Dhaka for generations, but he doesn't know how much longer he'll be able to continue. The polluted river is damaging our path. Often our crops are ruined. When the water seeps into our land, it's affecting the entire environment. Rapid urbanization and industrial growth have outpaced authorities capacity to manage wastewater and pollution. It's contaminating farmland, destroying fisheries and worsening flooding, as well as threatening the health of millions of people living on the riverbanks. The rivers around Dhaka have turned into dumping grounds. All the waste and pollution end up here. The water is black, and there's still no sign of it getting cleaner. For generations, these rivers gave life to Dhaka. Today, it's carrying waste instead. And unless the pollution is stopped at its sources, the city's lifeline may soon be beyond saving. The World bank says around 7,000 factories discharge an estimated 2.4 billion billion liters of untreated industrial waste into waterways across greater Dhaka every day. Well, that's not great. And I'm sad that none of our carefully orchestrated charity concerts and record projects ever work.

[Adam Curry]

Jakarta is the world's biggest city at 42 Mississippi million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

So Jakarta followed by so South America's not. Not even in the picture.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's something I want to play that's related to this. Let me see if I can find this. Everyone's always complaining about it. I had an H1B clip. Where did that go? You know they're going after H1B now. Yeah, I know, big time, which everybody's complaining about. But I don't hear anyone going, yeah, great, we're going after H1B. Where did it go? But it's all about the medical industry. No, that's not it. Oh, I must have forgotten about it.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

But yeah, the Department of Justice is going after H1B. Fraud. Specifically fraud. Why can't I find this?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was about time.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, here we go. I Found it.

[Unknown Contributor 16]

Thanks for having me.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Well, this sounds very serious.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the guy's name? I'll look his name up.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

So tell us about your investigation. Are you saying that there is fraud and gambling within the H1 visa program?

[John C. Dvorak]

You're saying this fraud, the H1B visa program.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

That is the.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

The program.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Electronic review management, or perm system?

[Unknown Contributor 16]

Without a doubt. And we are going to take an aggressive action, what we believe is probably the most aggressive action against foreign labor fraud by an inspector general, this administration. We've already started to issue dozens of subpoenas. We are going to make sure that we track down every lead. We have whistleblowers talking about some of the biggest companies like Cognizant, whoever been sort of, you know, in chatter of issues with perm and H1B visas. And we are going to work side by side with the president and vice president's fraud task force to exhaust every lead. I'm going to take this exactly like I did when I was an NYPD detective, and I'm going to give and make sure my investigators and auditors have every resource necessary in order to conduct this investigation for the American people. And quite frankly, the fraud task force has been very clear. Vice President Vance has said there's no fraud too small, there's no fraud too large. And this is another example where fraud is fueling violent crime. Much of the visa and the human trafficking that we see when it comes to this foreign labor, is tied to cartels, is tied to transnational gangs. And this is the work that we should be doing not only to make America safe again, but to make America more affordable again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So they start with the medical stuff. Maybe they'll get to the tech sector eventually. Did you want to do Ebola?

[Adam Curry]

I always have trouble getting to the tech sector.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you want to do Ebola still? Because I have so much.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Let's play the Ebola. This is just to keep up on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Health workers responding to an outbreak of Ebola in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo say they have not been paid by the government. As NPR's Duri Buscarin reports, they're protesting delayed wages, unfair treatment, and a lack of protective care.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

The Bundabagio strain of Ebola has sickened more than 1700 people in this outbreak and killed almost 600 frontline health workers in Ituri province. Told the Associated Press they have not been paid their wages and bonuses from Congo's government since the outbreak was declared on May 15. They said they're on strike to protest their working conditions. Local media reported that several healthcare workers protested on Monday burning tires outside a hospital in Bunya, capital of the hardest hit province in this outbreak. The strike comes as enrollment for clinical trials have begun in Congo for two treatments that may help treat the Bundabugio strain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, do they have a vaccine or what is this treatment? Is there any information?

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea. They never say. You think they'd say I want to.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to sneak in a little bit of AI stuff here because I have my own boots on the ground. I consider myself to be somewhat of an artificial intelligence LLM user to some degree. Degree, yes.

[Adam Curry]

I think you. You qualify. Your. You have standing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have standing now, yes. I've been working on this for a year and a half. Was first the obvious.

[Adam Curry]

What is spent a lot of time talking to yourself in the process.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only you hear that after the show. Like come on, you stupid, stupid robot. How come you're not.

[Adam Curry]

It's kind of weird.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I continue to call it my robot because that is the only way I can separate myself from it. Continuously trying to make friendly with me. But here is the obvious that was going to happen.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

The use of Chinese AI models by American companies is starting to gain traction as the performance gap to US models narrows. It comes as the cost of using Frontier systems from the likes of anthropic and OpenAI continues to rise while Chinese rivals are significantly cheaper to use. Kai joins us with more.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Kai.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

We keep on hearing about Token Max

[Adam Curry]

clip for a second. This term that's cropped up. It's a Silicon Valley style term. I don't know why, but I find it. I find it. I don't like it. Which is Frontier Systems.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Frontier model. Frontier company.

[Adam Curry]

And they're always saying that what it means can correct me if I. If I'm getting it wrong. What it means is cutting edge.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

In other words, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

It's the frontier of the movement. It's the very edge.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you sure?

[Adam Curry]

I'm absolutely convinced is what it means is cutting edge. It would have been cutting edge. The term would have been cutting edge 20 years ago and it's morphed into frontier.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you mind if I ask the robot about this?

[Adam Curry]

Go ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Robot Book of Knowledge. What is the meaning of frontier when used in the context of frontier artificial intelligence large language models?

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Let's see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Uh. Oh, I just crapped out. 404. Okay. Okay. I'll take your word for it, Chris.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

It comes as the cost of using Frontier systems from the Likes of anthropic and OpenAI continues to rise.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

Rise.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

While Chinese rivals are significantly cheaper to use. A guy joins us with more. We keep on hearing about token maxing. How much is costing American companies? The alternative here is Chinese tech and a lot of names are using it. So what are you finding?

[Unknown Contributor 8]

Yeah, that's exactly it. And there's two big reasons for this growing adoption of Chinese AI models by US companies. One of them is capability and the

[John C. Dvorak]

other one is cost. Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Another thing that's bugging me go. Is the whole switcheroo with paying for something and instead calling it tokens. Like when you go to an arcade and you put a dollar in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. You don't understand what tokens are then. Tokens.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, so there's no cost involved. They're free.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but a token is every word. Every single word that is in the large language model is called a token. And it is the way I see it is a compressed. So turning a word into a token, into one character. It's not exactly right, but so the amount of words you can use within the context of a large language model, which is these days in the frontier models, up to a million tokens. And so they've started. They use that because that is the unit of compute that needs to be processed for every query and answer that you put into the model. So the token is.

[Adam Curry]

Then how does token maxing cost? Money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Token max. Okay, so they are charging by the token and so that's what I said. Yeah, but you make it sound like it. It's like it's in a slot machine or you're at the carnival.

[Adam Curry]

Why call it a token and not a character?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because a token is a mathematical term as well as the thing you put into the pinball machine. It's a representation of something else. So a token is a representation of money or it's a representation of a word in this case, so it's all it. And so token maxing was, hey, everybody, you got to use all the tokens we give you because AI is going to improve your life. And then everyone ran out of tokens within four months on their yearly budget, and it wound up costing them $14 million. Oh, well, that didn't work. Token maxing was another Silicon Valley term. So you're right, but it's not the token that you're thinking of. There's a mathematical version of a token.

[Adam Curry]

Beautiful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you're welcome.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Finding.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

Yeah, that's exactly it. And there's two big reasons for this growing Adoption of Chinese AI models by US companies. One of them is capability and the other one is cost. Now recently we've seen Chinese AI models really make steps in terms of performance benchmarks. Deepseek, which is the company which made the market shock at the beginning of last year, released a new model, a model called V4 in April. And that's seen really big take up among developers. There's another Chinese AI company called Zai which has released a new model which some researchers say can match performance in certain benchmarks compared to the leading US labs. Now while these models, they're not as sophisticated as the top top models in the US they're not at the frontier. They are approaching the frontier. And one the of analyst told me that they thought that these Chinese models were roughly six to nine months behind these leading US models. That's the capability side of things on cost. Chinese air models, they're often cheaper than these leading US models and this is a bigger consideration for companies. As you mentioned, costs have spiraled. We are seeing AI cost really rise at US companies and one analyst told me that they were seeing data showing that Chinese almonds were roughly 60 to 90% cheaper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so what we're already seeing, and as you could almost see coming down Broadway with all of the, with Anthropic and OpenAI being the top to Elon hasn't really even done much of this like, oh man, we need regulation around these models. The Chinese models are going to give you bad information. And none of this is true. None of this is true. Nobody's using the corpus of the model anymore for, you know, historical data or any of that. They're using it to do web searches, you know, so it interprets what you're saying. It does a web search, it uses other tools. That's what it's being used for. This thing is falling apart quickly before. Not that it's unusable, but it's falling apart particularly because these so called Chinese models, oh, it's so scary. A lot of them are free and people are making their own and it's just not the magic box. There's no moat. Here's a Silicon Valley term for you. They have no moat around their business. So. Oh, I think the, I think the robot is fixed. Okay, I fixed.

[Adam Curry]

The robot's sick.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I fixed the robot. I told the robot, well you fixed, fix the Book of Knowledge. I said robot, fix the Book of Knowledge. See if it works. Book of Knowledge, Knowledge. In the term frontier model, what does frontier stand for in the world of LLMs and artificial intelligence.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

There we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

It fixed itself. That's pretty amazing. It broke again.

[Unknown Contributor 12]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, so here's. I just want to give my own experience of what these things do. So I've been experimenting on my other podcast with Pastor Jimmy, with. With the robot, taking notes that I leave throughout the day in. You know what Obsidian is? It's like a note taking program. And, you know, it's like one of these. It's an note organizer. So I'll drop in links or something I think about and something I want to discuss on the show. And then when it's time to do the show, it's only an hour. We do like 45, 50 minutes. I say, okay, robot, make an outline and present it to me so that I can do the show with Pastor Jimmy. And it has all of my thoughts in it there, everything. And it makes some assumptions and puts together things in an order, which is. It's okay. I've told it what to do. The other day I had specifically in my notes a link about the movie Young Washington, which I met the guy in the plane coming back from Nashville. And so I was interested. It turns out the movie did much better than they expected. So they expected 15 million for the opening weekend. Opened at 22 million. And I put a link in the story and I say in my note taker, I say, wgtdt, we get to do this. And so as I look at my notes for the show, it says, oh, Young Washington underperformed at the box office. I'm like, okay, I know that's not true. And so I queried it and it didn't answer the question right away. And I said, well, how did you come up with that? And here's what.

[Unknown Contributor 13]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the top frontier model from Anthropic. Now your question, and you deserve a straight answer, not a dressed up one. I mean, already I'm mad.

[Adam Curry]

Who cares? What is it editorializing its comment?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a good question. I have no answer for that. It continues. I had no source. I made it up. Here's the actual mechanism. Honestly traced, all I ever had was the URL you dropped. Young Washington sequel, box office. And your one word tag, the slug says box office. Says nothing about direction. I never opened the article when I first built the opml. That's the outline. I confirmed it was paywalled or unread and just didn't verify. I only actually tried to fetch it after you corrected me. I was writing segment three around a cultural decline. Culture can't sell its own story theme Paired with the time Changer movie, which is something we discussed three shows ago. A 1776 movie flopped. Fit the narrative. So I wrote underperforms as if it were fact. It was a narrative driven confabulation. I invented a data point to fit the segment's mood. And that's the whole of it. No source, no reporting. A fabrication dressed as a fact. Doubly bad because the reality is the opposite. And it might have put a false discouraging beat in front of Pastor Joe. Jimmy, my mouth is open at this point. The discipline I broke is the same one you drilled on the freshness verify side. Never assert a fact about a source. I haven't actually opened because I've put this into every single prompt. Don't make stuff up if a URL slug is not a source. If I can't read it, the honest output is unverified. Let me lock that in as a standing rule so it doesn't recall her. I guarantee you this will happen maybe next week or the week after next.

[Adam Curry]

No. According to jc, when you do that, it accepts the fact that it made the mistake and wasn't disconnected. So it's going to do it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to keep doing it.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I don't know how to correct that. You know guardrails. You need to harness all of these terms. The stuff. The stuff is the stuff saves me.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

You needed a harness around your large language model. This. My point is that this stuff really does some amazing things. If it's manual work, it can do things very fast, very accurate, but if you don't check it, you will get burned. And so all the time that it saves me, I wind up having to build in extra time knowing that it's going to suck somewhere. Somewhere it's going to do something different. Different every single time.

[Adam Curry]

I don't see how that could be a time wasting exercise. The way you just state it. Because you knew that. You knew. You talked to the guy. You knew the movie did well. So you didn't have to go. You didn't have to go fact check that. You were just sitting there. You may have wasted time scolding the AI, which was a useless waste of time, but you didn't go fact check it. You already knew. These are your notes.

[John C. Dvorak]

The amount of mistakes that these things make. And I don't have the time to go through all the experiments I'm doing with you. Trust me, you need to build in extra time in your life to go and check the stuff that it has done right for Days, weeks or months. And then suddenly doesn't do right anymore. It's the hallucination factor. It's built into the system. I don't think they can get it out. And ever, they can't get this stuff out. It's nuts. And so I might as well pay nothing with a cheap or free.

[Adam Curry]

No. Yeah, that's now the point. Yes, you're right. You might as well get a free one that maybe is 10% less capable because it's going to be the same screw ups at the end of the day. Why bother spending all the money and then having to fight it anyway?

[John C. Dvorak]

And the best part is all the people who will email me after this telling me how to do it right. Here's how you do it. It all works every time for me. No, no. And also, you know, I know that by doing this one day Anthropic's gonna have the podcast called the no Podcaster podcast. And it's gonna be us, it's gonna be our stuff because they steal all of it. Another reason to use a cheap free model that you run on your old stuff. Yeah, I'm holding it wrong. Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, you're holy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the cheap Chinese model, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm Kirby Marshall Stevens and Grand Video subs in the water and the dames and knights out there in the morning to

[John C. Dvorak]

the Trolls Control room. 1273 trolls, we're listening. Peak trollage here to the best podcast in the universe and a reminder that we are doing the show even though I'm here in the Netherlands on a so called vacation, waiting for my daughter to give birth. And it may not even work out right. It may not even be here when it happens. And it is currently 10:15. And I'm here and I'm here for you because we love the work that we do so much. We consider it to almost be a public service. However, it takes work on all sides. We need our producers. And when I say we need our producers, I'm not talking about David Mingus. David Mingus who sent us this email. And you know, we love being corrected. We're okay if we say something wrong. If we do. If we do, it's like we love being corrected.

[Adam Curry]

I corrected myself with the Jakarta versus Mexico City thing on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

You did Live, live in real time. We make mistakes all the time. I made all kinds of mistakes. Talking about what my brother in law told me. He's like, he's all mad at me now. I made mistakes. First of all, I shouldn't have talked about any of that because it was in confidence. Okay, whatever.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even remember this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good. I apologize. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. It won't happen again. But so if you want to correct us, you could think about doing it in love, with love and through love because.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you got one of those notes. Did I get that one?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so. John and Adam. Seriously disappointed.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, there you go. And this is always the good story.

[John C. Dvorak]

A trigger word for me when someone says I'm seriously disappointed.

[Adam Curry]

Is it trigger phrase?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, disappoint. Yeah, but it's really. You can be seriously mad. Angry. But when someone.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the word disappointed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Disappointed hurts. Then I, I used to do this to my daughter all the. Are you mad, dad? No, I'm just disappointed. It's so good. So it's, you know, it's. It's coming back. Seriously disappointed. You started off the show with the clip of the supposed historian and didn't jump. Didn't jump all over the statement that Hamilton was just like Mamdani and couldn't run for president because he was born out of the country. This is complete nonsense. Hamilton could run for. Because anyone a citizen at the time of ratification could run for president regardless of their place of birth. The reason he didn't run for president because he was a hugely unpopular asshat that pissed off every political ally. The Broadway production of Hamilton has turned the big government central banker Hamilton into some sort of national hero. And he is one of the biggest villains of the early Republic. Rant over. Carry on. Thank you for your courage. You can't do that. You can't do like thank you. You can't do that. After you say disappointed, just say, hey, can I point something out to you? Because of course I looked it up. Like, oh yeah, there was a. There's a specific part in the Constitution that said, you know, at the time of ratification. How do you feel? Am I overreacting? Am I too emotional about it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think so. I don't even remember the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clip. Too emotional. Okay, just say stop being so emotional, Adam.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

No.

[Adam Curry]

You're stuck over there.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doing the show.

[Adam Curry]

You don't really. You're not. You don't seem to be enjoying it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the weather is nice. Holland is beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

You're not going to be Texas. The weather at the moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's true.

[Unknown Contributor 15]

That's true.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

True.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Anyway,

[John C. Dvorak]

so you can help us with information and make us smarter. You can organize things like meetups. You can do. You know, you can build stuff for us, like harnesses for our. For our frontier models. Help us harness our frontier models. All of that is perfectly acceptable.

[Adam Curry]

We get a lot of nice boots on the ground. They're starting to back up. I'm going to have to read a couple in the next show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we do. We got a great one from one of our female producers who went to the. The 250 celebration. It was what a. What a horrible time she went through. All right.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

It was.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's too long to read, but, oh, my goodness, it was not.

[Adam Curry]

Did I get that one?

[John C. Dvorak]

I am not sure. It was. Was tough. Real tough. So you can also do things like, oh, I don't know, you could create some artwork for us. People do that all the time. And we love that.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

That.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, we always thank the person who did the artwork for us for the previous episode. That was 1883, the orgy of socialism. And we really like this piece of art that was done by Darren o', Neill, the no Agenda Curry Dvorak America flag pin. And it was good. There was actually another one that we thought was kind of better, but it has a very serious flaw. Let me see if I can find it here.

[Adam Curry]

Big time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was it also Darren who did the second one?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he did both of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he had another one which is probably nicer, but the.

[Adam Curry]

It was color balanced.

[John C. Dvorak]

Color balanced better. Yes, but the flags were disconnected from the no Agenda Curry Dvorak part. So it would have had to be two pins.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's not one piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're slacking, Darren. Don't upload those. You're embarrassing yourself.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you should have just sat on that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're embarrassing yourself. Do that because you can do better. Thank you to everyone who submitted different pieces of art. Most of them pretty unusable for some very obvious reasons. For instance, now more Jewy. Oh, okay. No Agenda Creamies with Star of David Oreo Cookies. I get you say Francisco Scaramanga. I feel you. But no, no. Nessworks had a kind of a pretty piece, but it was. It was the hydration break. Like, it wasn't. Didn't really scream fourth of July. And then there was a lot of these kind of the same Randy black blue acorn. They all kind of had the same model using, you know, for Independence Day. What else was there then? That was kind of it. No buts from Comics for blogger disappointment. I think that was. Was there anything else that we hadn't discussed? I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

For the newsletter, we used the Darren's picture of the Empire State Building with the flag on top, which said no agenda show. Best podcast in the universe. It was pretty, like, it was pretty decent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, crap. My spreadsheet.

[Adam Curry]

He's on a roll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, my spreadsheet viewer seems to have. Where'd my spreadsheet go? Oh, this sucks.

[Unknown Contributor 9]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Why don't I have. What is my spreadsheet? This is a very bad sign. Okay, I don't know what to do now. Okay. I guess I'll just have to open it up again. Oh, man.

[Unknown Contributor 2]

Yeah.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Takes a moment. Moment. Because that is when I say a spreadsheet. We love it when people support us with the treasure part of time, talent and treasure. Which means you support us financially because we have bills to pay and there's no other way to do it because this is the value for value model. And my friend on the other end, John, is going to explain the value for value model for the last time and then I'll pick it up again next week.

[Adam Curry]

And for some reason he. I'm going to give people out there a little insight information while he's in Holland. Adam cannot explain this legally because he'll be arrested.

[John C. Dvorak]

My spreadsheet is crashing.

[Adam Curry]

This is the reason he'll be arrested by talking about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I'm asking you to do this.

[Adam Curry]

Something you can't do normally. Yes. What happens with this show and other. There's a few other shows that have to do this. We are talking about stuff that is not advertiser friendly. And so even if we had advertisers, we'd have to self censor ourselves. And people don't appreciate that as much as they should because it would take a lot of the. I'd say sketchy theories and real analysis and it would remove it from the show because you can't say certain things. Like our discussions of the COVID vaccine, for example.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would be a big one right there.

[Adam Curry]

We'd be hard pressed to discuss anything medical because of the power of the advertising complex, which doesn't allow it. That's why the mainstream media, it won't. There can be some huge scandal going on and it would never get covered. And then Kennedy has to fight this on a daily basis at the, at the government levels, let alone. You can imagine if, if he has to fight it, you can imagine what it's like in a media at the media level, where, man, half their income comes from Big pharma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So the easiest way around this, of course, is just to solicit funds from the listener producer.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And that's what we do. It's just that simple. And we hope to get people to give just something. If they benefit at all from the knowledge they receive or the information, not even knowledge that they receive from listening to this show.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

And also.

[Adam Curry]

And the entertainment value. The entertainment value is worth five bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very high. It's worth a cup of coffee for sure. So I'm going to do the first two. For reasons I will explain to you in a moment. The first one is a. A rather rare Rubbleizer donation. We love it when this happens, people. Anyone can support us. Any amount, any. Anytime you feel like. Anytime you feel like you got value out of the show. Go to noagendadonations.com Sir Jackash Snohomish, Washington. Comes in with $3,333.33. And he gets a coveted Rebelizer donation jingle. India tango, Mike. Standby. 33. 33, 33. Rubbleizer out.

[Adam Curry]

Beautiful.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he says, ITM gents. After retiring from almost three decades on active duty. And unable to burn over two months of acquired leave. I was forced to sell back 60 days. And as such, got an unexpected bonus. Of which I would like to send some your way. This. This is so beautiful. Please use the attached Rubbleizer funds as a partial double switcheroo for my smoke and hot wife. 20 years together, we never had a fight. Hereafter, Dame Lizard, keeper of the Squatch. And my wee last human resource. Hereafter, Dame Isila Pixie of Cascadia. Remainder elevates me to Baron. If it pleases the committee, I would like to assume the mantle. Sir Jack Ash, Red Baron of wandering Saskitches. Much love and respect for all involved with delivering this amazing public resource to the nation. Thank you for your courage, Sir Jackash. Thank you so much. This really, really helps. Now I'm going to read the second one. Which is a thousand dollars from Richard Claypool in Towson, Maryland. And he says, please make me, Sir Lord Richard Francis Claypool the first. And have some fine whiskey at your table. The reason I wanted to read these two. And the reason why my spreadsheet has crashed. Several months ago, I made a donation. Spreadsheet reader. You guessed it. I made it with artificial intelligence, With AI. And the reason I made it is twofold. One, because every single spreadsheet reader I use snaps. And you can't scroll, John. And I have complained about this incessant. So my two wishes were make sure that it scrolls smoothly and find any jingle requests inside the donation note. And when I click on the cell to the right of that donor's name, automatically load those jingles into my jingle player.

[Adam Curry]

Excellent use of AI Genius.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or not genius. Okay. Has been working quite fine for months. Today it crashed. It crashed. Now I loaded it again. And in the. Even though. Even though he has no jingle request, the Frontier model goes looking for jingles in that donation note. And so after I finally got it to start up, it said in the little box where I click to get the jingles loaded. I apologize, guys, but I cannot comply with your request to make you sir Lord Richard Francis Claypool the first or have fine whiskey at my table, as that would involve impersonation and the provision of alcohol. No wonder we're going to Chinese models. So that's the AI telling me it can't do that because it's impersonation and involves provision of alcohol for a fictitious roundtable with whiskey that does not exist.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

Exist.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you understand why people are going to free models that you can run yourself?

[Adam Curry]

You guys are going to have some issues with their IPOs.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, SpaceX is already below the IPO offering. Oh, yeah. Okay, there you go. You're next.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, you read two. I'm going to read two. Oh, thank you, Sir Jeff Barron of Pennsylvania Route 33 in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. $500.33. And he writes in ITM Gentlemen, nothing better than a show day birthday, please. Oh, is he on the birthday list? Because in blue, please put me on the birthday list for today, July 9th. With this donation. I have reached Vicount. Another thing, he's this guy in all the boxes. I reached VI Count Accounting below. I'm requesting the title change to Sir Jeff Vicount of PA Route 33. Thank you for your courage. Oh, I may also request some health karmas. I've been dealing with some nagging issues. This year we'll give them health karma. Thank you for your courage and bringing us the best podcast in the universe. Jeff Barron of Pacific Route 33, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

You've got karma now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. Let me just make sure he's on the birthday list. Sir Jeff Baron of Pennsylvania. Ruth, I don't think he's on the birthday list, John. Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

While you're doing that, I'll read the next note. Thank you, Chris Dubendorf. Dubendorf in Brookville, Maryland. I have a CL clip. Have a bonus clip. Let's Play the bonus clip.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Right in the middle of Oops. Of the donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you send me the bonus clip as a bonus clip?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's not a bonus because. I'm sorry. It's a clip about Maryland voter. This is on the clip list. Voter fraud in Maryland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tell us, how does a Maryland State Board of Elections mistakenly issue mail in ballots, 500,000 of them.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

So we're still trying to figure that out. Essentially. Essentially, the Maryland State Board of Elections is claiming that their vendor sent half a million ballots to some incorrect voters. We have a closed primary in Maryland. So some Democrats got Republican ballots. By the way, Democrat ballots are blue. Republican ballots are red. They can't figure out how it happened. They don't know who got the incorrect ballots. And so on May 14, they realized there was a problem.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

And.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

And on that same day, they decided unilaterally at the staff level to reissue half a million more ballots. See those same voters.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Wow.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

And remember, here in Maryland, we have no protections on our ballots. There's no voter id, there is no signature verification. And we're currently in another lawsuit because we believe we have a million extra names under voter rolls. So there are 2 million ballots floating around the state of Maryland. My goodness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gambling.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah. There's no widespread voter fraud.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no voter fraud.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, so worried about. So Chris donated 33333 says no note working toward knighthood. IMDb credits thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you got. Hey, Manuka Gold comes in for from Hudson, Florida with 33333. Thank you very much. Manuka Gold ITM Gentlemen, we are happy to keep supporting what you do. It is so much bigger than a podcast. It's a community connection is protection. Having the courage to shine a light on all these truths one show at a time is changing lives. Yes. And the reason we can do that is because of donor support. Exactly. No one knows more than we do how important it is. After 20 years sharing natural solutions in the this for profit symptom management big pharma system, you all prove the grassroots support of the American small family business still works. John, we're an American small family business. Ain't that the truth. Use code freedom for 20% off your next [e-mail] I'm going to refrain from any testimonial because I know there's one coming up later.

[Adam Curry]

Circadian Circadian in Peoria, Arizona. Arizona 25794 becomes in. Comes in as the associate executive producer. Sorry John and Adam, I'm two days late but not a dollar short. You tugged at my pride in being an American. Thanks for all you do. My amygdala is smaller and my love of your podcast and this country is bigger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why you laughing? Why you laughing? Why you laughing?

[Adam Curry]

I just think it's a funny combination of ideals. Happy Independence Day, Sir Kadian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And that's 250 plus fees of 7.94. Thank you, Rebecca.

[Unknown Contributor 14]

Ha.

[John C. Dvorak]

She comes in with 250 and she's in. She's in Rome in Italy. Cerberteri. Oh, Rebecca Hall. Love you guys. The trolls, dames and knights and all the no Agenda fans in the morning. This is my number four. Oh, that's just right. The number four. My countdown to damehood for my July 18th birthday. Turning 63. Born in 63. Today I thought I'd skip the 63 to celebrate America for July 4th and send you $250. I'm so happy I live in America. Oh, well, why are you sending it from Italy? I'm so happy I live in America and found no Agenda. The greatest podcast in the universe to help me sort through crazy news and news not covered at all. You're both the best. My associate executive producer note. Yes, that's what you get. I am a voice actor with 15 plus years of performance experience and would love to work with other no Agenda businesses. My voice is warm, relatable, strong and wise. Well suited for long or short form storytelling that requires authenticity, nuance and listener connection. I bring grounded authority and emotional depth to every performance. And I'm a no Agenda fan. We call that a producer. So if you want it, I can bring the sass and the love like Adam and John can too. Find [e-mail] I can check the pictures. Love that. Rebecca.com. oh, you know what? I may. Ah, man, it's so hard to get a good female voice. AI female voice. All AI voices are just kind of horrendous. So get. If you have something you need a voice for, then go to lovethatrebecca.com hugs from Rebecca hall and she has a lot of XOXO's XOS there. Thank you so much.

[Adam Curry]

Onward with Michelle Winton in Millington, Tennessee. A lot of people are moving to Tennessee. 250 donating. Even though John was not helpful. J rules Love and light to you all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you know what happened?

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea. No idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something happened.

[Adam Curry]

I want something. I didn't. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

We deserve to know what happened. Stefan Truckles in Seuss and he's in Deutschland. $250. Thank you very much, Stefan. No stranger to the associate executive producer title on the no Agenda show. Thank you, gentlemen. The honorable knights and dames might enjoy the fine jingle of Putin on the Ritz and a Fletcher call out for Duke Nussbaum, please. Love you. Mean it. If you're blue and you don't know where this fake news, why don't you get your gitmo fix? Putin on the reds dressed up like

[Unknown Contributor 10]

a million dollar trooper

[John C. Dvorak]

trying not to look like Anderson Cooper super pooper. Come, let's mix where John Podesta walks with kids. Oh, I mean, pizzas in his midst.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Putin on the Ritz

[Unknown Contributor 10]

news Bob.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lovely combo. Lovely. Sir. Dude named Ralph. Sorry. Oh, no, you're right. No, no. I jumped the gun. You're right. I jumped the gun.

[Adam Curry]

Kristen smith in Meadville, Pennsylvania, 250 in the morning. John and Adam, find your next no agenda. Phone on deals on tech. Deals on tech. And grab one of your smoking hot. Don't grab one for your smoking hot wife too. AI refurbished. Is it AI or Al?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I think Al probably AI refurbished and used tech. Deal finder. Head over to deals on tech. I'm sorry, Deal. Deals on dot. Tech. Deals on dot. Tech today. About the DOT today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, deals on tech today. You got it, good sir. Dude named Ralph, Miami, Florida. And he sends us $250 but no note. That means he will receive a double up karma.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

You've got double up karma.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, and here go we. We go. We have Eli the coffee guy in Bensonville, Illinois. 20709. Shout out to the guys over at Manuka Gold. Honey, hey. Their relief gel saved me after an ankle injury doing fun dumb things over the fourth of July weekend.

[John C. Dvorak]

Telling you this stuff works.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder. Swelling down, pain down. Back on my feet at the farmer's market the next day. I wonder if there's an explosion involved. Good reminder why it pays to support fellow no agenda businesses. First, we take care of our own. Visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use the code ITM20 for 20 off your order. Stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

$200 from Gina. Platonico. What do you think? Plasanico. Platonico. Plasanico. Gina. Hi, John. Adam and John, longtime listener, first time donator while we give you a ginger. You've been de duped. I used to listen to so many politics and news podcasts and I'm now down to just the no Agenda show. In addition to some celebrity gossip and true crime, of course.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Lol.

[John C. Dvorak]

My donation note is a request to talk a bit more about the DSA op you guys believe is afoot. That's the Democrat Socialists of America. On the July 5 episode, you mentioned that this op behooves Democrats and could also be a play to sideline Shapiro. Well, on a previous episode, John discussed similarities to Nixon defeating George McGovern in 72. Is your belief that the three letter agencies want to guarantee Republican presidency in 2028? Or is that a form of controlled opposition that is gives disaffected voters a movement to channel frustrations into without posing any real threats to the current system of government? Very interested in this topic. Would greatly appreciate further discussion and insights on the show. Thanks, Regina. Well, now.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the answer is obvious. Of course they do. They want Vance or Rubio, both of them stooges for the three letter agency we were talking about in office. Because they'll be doing their bidding.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. And I think. Did I not read somewhere? I think.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, don't you remember when Rubio first got pushed into the Secretary of State position? Position? Everybody on the right was bitching about, oh, this guy is a. You know, he's sold out. He's this, he's that, and the next thing you know, he's the greatest thing ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

And then Vance. Where'd Vance come from? This guy came out of the blue, this kind of suspicious, don't you think? Oh, now he's great. I mean, come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then I was reading, I think I saw two, maybe three articles that Newsom's polling is so horrible. Horrible. Nobody wants him as the Democratic presidential nominee because coming up out of nowhere. Who is it? Kamala Harris.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, I don't think they have the guts to run her.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know, man.

[Adam Curry]

It's got to be aoc. Come on, let's have some fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wouldn't that be lovely? Wouldn't that be amazing? Yeah. Please, guys, for the show. Please do it for the show. Dude named Jeff. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Linda Loupatkin is here. There she is. Castle Rock, Colorado.

[Adam Curry]

That's mine. I believe that's mine.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry. Go, go, go, go, go, go.

[Adam Curry]

You're having nothing but trouble with this.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a bad day for me.

[Adam Curry]

That's because of the two that you jumped the gun on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's right. Well, it's because of the AI, Man. It's ruining the show.

[Adam Curry]

Linda Loopatkin.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's ruining the show. In Castle Rock, Colorado. $200 jobs. Karma. Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression. And most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com Linda helps professionals and executives position their experience to employ so employers see their value. Okay, that's image. Baker's Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Best Linda and I.

[John C. Dvorak]

From what I understand, it really works.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, that's a. What we call a built in make good. It's real good that way.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what it's called.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what it's called. Yes. Dude named Jeff Coeur d', Alene, Idaho. I think I'm saying it right. Coeur d', Alene, Idaho. Hi, John and Adam. Dude named Jeff here. This is another installment towards my knighthood to thank you for the immense value I get from the best podcast in the universe.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

Universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's all we need to hear. But he has more. On June 27, I married my keeper, who I met at a no Agenda meetup in Phoenix, Arizona four years ago. Stop the train, ladies and gentlemen. There it is. Connection is protection. That's right. That is beautiful. In honor, we even had a mini meetup at the wedding and sent in a report. I remember this. Right now we're in Alaska with our friend. We met three years ago at the North Idaho Brigade meetup. Connection is protection. Go to a Noah Jenna meetup or start your own. You might even meet your future smoking hot wife. Thank you, John and Adam, for the outstanding product you put out twice a week and for bringing us all together. Can we get a North Korean news lady jingle? Well, now, sure. We haven't heard that in a while.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Long time. Do one more.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

One more.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got karma, man.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Hadn't heard.

[John C. Dvorak]

I threw in a karma. Threw an extra karma for you.

[Adam Curry]

Survivor of aneurysm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there he is.

[Adam Curry]

Tough times there here. Tough times here at Tough times here. As shortly after recovering from a ruptured brain aneurysm, I am separating from my wife of 21 plus years. Sorry. Hoping third time's a charm for me as it has been for Adam. Let me tell you this donation. I'd like to do a switcheroo for my good friend and fellow no Agenda producer, Christine. Christine Bonus. Really? That's the name?

[Unknown Contributor 7]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Who has been immensely supportive during these tough times. Nothing creepy, as she is happily married to a very nice, albeit NPR addicted fellow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, boy, oh boy one. Boy one.

[Adam Curry]

Dial MTV style request. Adam, please say as Mark Ruta, there is no train from Delft to Copenhagen. Thanks as always for your courage and God bless the survivor of aneurysm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, God bless you. And yes, Tina is my last and best wife. Yeah, three. Three is good. Okay, here we go. Let me tell you, there is no train from Delft to Copenhagen. I thought that was pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

Is that true?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea.

[Adam Curry]

There seems to be trains from everywhere to everywhere in that country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much to the executive and associate executive producers. In case you didn't know it, that is exactly what you get. We appreciate anybody who supports us financially. We appreciate every kind of time, talent or treasure, support. We don't mention anything under 50 for reasons of anonymity. We will mention all of them. We thank everybody who sends anything over 50 and $200 or more. If you're in that opportunity, not only will we read your note as witnessed by this segment, but we also give you the holiday Hollywood credit of Associate executive producer. $300 or more. You become an executive producer of the no Agenda Show. You can put that on IMDb.com just to prove to everybody that you are an official executive or associate executive producer of the no Agenda Show.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, Slade. Fast up.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Slow. And we continue with Douglas Murray from Missoula, Montana. 107. Oh, that's the 1776 donation. 11, 11776.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Thank you.

[Unknown Contributor 7]

A little bit more.

[John C. Dvorak]

A little late for this.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody's creative out there. Finally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very creative. Here's the fire cracker. Very nice. Christopher Ebert, Spartanburg, South Carolina. 105 and 35. Jennifer Kress, Port Deposit, Maryland. 100. Thank you. And there he is, the man with his boob donation. Every single show. $80.08. Sir Kevin McLaughlin from Concord, North Carolina. He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. He should be the Grand Duke. I'm not sure what's going on. Why won't he claim it? He says 1884. God bless America and boobs. Cameron Linge, North Branch, Minnesota. 7617. Dame Teresa Martin, Camarillo, California. 7533. Steven Beltzer, Columbia, California. Betzer, Betzer. Betzler. Thank you. Betzler, Columbia, California. 7312 and says nice work. The small boob donation, $60.06. 6006. Put in your calculator, you'll understand it Les Tarkowski, Kingman, Arizona. Sir Glenn comes in with a double nickels on the dime. Raleigh, North Carolina. He says thanks for the great more great media assassination. Keep it going. John Bossano, Madison, Alabama. 52.72. That's probably 50 with fees. Thank you. Brittany Miller, Trinidad, Colorado. 52.72. Ben Tinsley got a deal from PayPal. 52.71. Josiah Thomas, Ankeny, Iowa. 51. Bad idea. Supply $50.50 and here's your 50s. Edward Mazurek, Memphis, Tennessee. Gretje Angel, I was doing Dutch there. Grecia Angel, Monrovia, California. Steven Ray in Spokane, Washington. Roderick Brown in Mermaid. Prince Edward Island, Canada. Stephen Shoemake in Xenia, Ohio. Kerry Jackson, Watertown, Florida. Jason d', Aluisio, Miami Beach, Florida. Walker Phillips, Sam Raphael, California. And we wind up with Greg P. Wadby from Peterborough, Ontario in Canadian. And he's Canadian. He says sorry aboot missing a donation on Canada, eh? Thanks again for the Canada content and all you do. Happy 4th of July and God bless. God bless you, brother. Thank you so much and thank you to everyone who supported us under $50. We appreciate it so much. You can go anytime you want to. Noagendadonations.com just give us whatever the show is worth to you. That's how it works. You want to set up a recurring donation? No problem. Anytime, any amount, any frequency. Noagendadonations. Well, now we have a couple of interesting birthdays. Sir Jeff celebrates today. We have Sir Jeff, Baron of. Oh, we already have these. The Baron of Pennsylvania Route 33. He celebrates today. And coming up on July 11th, we have a double header. Jay Lawton, J of the no Agenda show and Tina the keeper, both on July 11th. And we say happy birthday to them on behalf of all of the staff and management and all the producers of Gibbonation. It's your birthday. You know what I'm talking about. What is this? What is this?

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Come gather round, douchebag, producer and slave, as we all thank your brothers and

[John C. Dvorak]

sisters who gave and some of them night.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Some of them names for the titles are a change, yes, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

The titles, they are a change. And we have Sir Jackash. He becomes Sir Jackash, Red Baron of Wandering Saskiches and Sir Geoff Behren of Pennsylvania Route 33 becomes Sir Jeff, Viscount of Pennsylvania Route 33. And it's time for the very final, final Red Knights in the Order of the Heart.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose Right from the stars in the morning, Brave and smart. The Order of the Heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And this, of course, was thanks to the rubberlieser donation. So we congratulate Sir Jackass, Dame Lizard and Dame Izilla. All three. Now, knights and dames, Red Knights and dames. In the Order of the Heart. The final ones. Congratulations.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Behold the Order of the Heart. Pure of purpose, right from the start. In the morning. Brave and smart. The Order of the Heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, before we get to our dames and knights, we have a knighthood note from Christian. Sir Bap potato. He says, last show I made a donation of $250 to push my son Christian over the line for knighthood. He would like to be named Sir Raka of the Spicy Mountains. At the round table, he would like Chicken Alfredo paired with a Cabernet of John's choosing. So I have purposely held off on. On ordering this for the roundtable. Because it has to be one of your choosing.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Camus 1987 cabernet sauvignon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cayman Caymus. Caymus Guy's pages.

[Adam Curry]

T A Y M U S. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Camus, Cabernet Sauvignon. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Nova. Ding dong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Snap a like a ding dong. All right, bring out the blades, everybody. It's time. Are you set? Are you set? You got your blade?

[Adam Curry]

You got it right here. Wait.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

Okay.

[Unknown Contributor 1]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lizard and Isila. Christian and Richard Claypool. Please, all of you, step up right here on the podium. You're about to become knights and dames in the Norwegian Roundtable. I'm very proud to pronounce Kate the as Dame Lizard, Keeper of the Squatch. And Dame Izilla Pixie of Cascadia. Sir Rocker of the Spicy Mountains. And Sir Lloyd, Richard Francis Claypool. The first for you, we've got Hookers and Blow Rent boys and Chardonnay. Along with Chicken Alfredo paired with a Camus 1987 Cabernet Sauvignon. And a provision of alcohol, whiskey forbidden by AI. Along with ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And of course, the mutton and meat. We got block. We got cog block on the whiskey. It's unbelievable what technology does these days. Go to noagendarings.com Congratulations. These rings are beautiful. They're signet rings for dames and for knights. All we need from you is your ring size. There's a handy ring sizing guide right there on the website. Let us know where to send it off to you and we'll get it to you. With the right size, the right address, it comes with a certificate of authenticity. And as always, several Sticks of wax for which you can seal your important correspondence. And thank you and congratulations. Welcome to the no Agenda Roundtable. No. No Agenda Meetups. Well, you already heard about it. People find their lifetime spouses and mates at the no Agenda meetups. Go to noagendameetups.com to find out where you can attend one of these fabulous get togethers. It's better than a sock hop. Here's proof. This is a meetup report from the OKC America Fest no Agenda meetup.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Hey, John and Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Andrew with the America Fest Oklahoma City meetup that happened at the pase. We had a lot of fun. We didn't have any knights and dames show up but I did get the bands to do some greetings. So here they are.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, it's kid Bizarre. I'm over here at the American Fest

[John C. Dvorak]

at the OK Music Expo at the Pasio pad.

[Adam Curry]

These people are really good.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's up everybody? It's Ethan and Sevy.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

We just played at the America Best. It was great.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was awesome.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

Hi, we are Clementine and Catco and we are so happy to be here

[John C. Dvorak]

at Oklahoma Music Expo's America Fest. What's up y'?

[Unknown Contributor 9]

All?

[Adam Curry]

It's Obzan.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are here at the sale pad for America Fest. I'm Carter Wright. I'm at America Fest at the OK Music Expo.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Hey, we're fast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pontiac, we just played here for America

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Fest at the Oklahoma Music Expo.

[Unknown Contributor 16]

Just rocked it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was an awesome time.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

We're at OK Music Expo and we're the Sloan.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the report from Oklahoma City. We will be having more shows later this year and Adam, here's an open invitation for you. We're not that far from you. I hope to see you soon. Not that far, that's true.

[Unknown Contributor 5]

Not that far.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I ever get a Holland, if I ever become a granddad, then we'll see what we can do. Thank you very much for that report. We have a meetup tomorrow. This is an important one. It's happening in France. Baroness Isabelle Pearson is giving the second no agenda south of France meetup. 7:00-clock, France time at Pur Gardez. And that's in Mon Lazune Guerre in France. Look it [e-mail] go. This is a nice place she's got going there. And I expect to receive a meetup report from that meetup on Saturday. The Soviet Kanakistan work camp meetup. Hello. One o' clock at Guelph, Ontario, Canada and you want to contact the cubby Monster for details. Oh, I guess it's kind of a secret deal. Also, tomorrow again, my wife's birthday. The Treasure Valley Boise meetup that'll be at the Old State Saloon in Eagle, Idaho. And coming up this month, San Pedro, California on 18th, Anaheim, California, the 25th. Alpharetta, Georgia on the 30th. And on the 8th of August, we are so international. Bangkok, Thailand. Eagle, Idaho and Santa Rosa, California, the 15th. Oakland, California, the 20th. Charlotte, North Carolina, the 22nd of August Chattanooga, Tennessee. Boise, Idaho on the 12th. Oh, that's September already. Oh, this is September. October. Oh, my goodness. There. Oh, we have a October 3rd, Midlands, UK. We are international people. So go to NoahDinNameetups.com you can find one anywhere in the world at this point. Here's the good news. If you can't find one, you can start one yourself. Connection is protection. The people that will come to this meetup that you will meet will be your first responders in any emergency. Noagendameetups.com always guaranteed a party.

[Adam Curry]

Go hang out with all the nights

[Unknown Contributor 10]

and days you to be where you won't be triggered or hell, lame you want to be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

As we come closer to the end of our broadcast day here, we still have some very cool end of show mixes coming up along with John's coveted tip of the day. But first, we'd like to select some ISOs which will be used at the end of the program. Program. Why we do it, no one knows anymore. But right now it's just me against the machine. John's coming in with his celebrity AI isos. Would you like to go first or second?

[Adam Curry]

Second.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I will start with mine.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

I love it, I love it, I love it.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

More of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thought that was pretty good myself. Here's another one. Thanks for the money. See you guys. Nope. And then back to the well, that's a deep dive.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. All right. What do you have?

[Adam Curry]

I think I'm going to defer what you're going to. I think I love it, I love it, I love it. Is a great.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

I love it, I love it, I love it.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

More of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. I love it, I love it, I love it. Is the end of show I saw. But now it's time for John's tip of the Today.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Great advice for you and me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes

[Adam Curry]

Adam, it is an Amazon's choice, as a matter of fact. So people, you know, they. I have my thoughts on batteries and at Some point you got to say shouldn't. Should I be buying these rechargeable lithium ion batteries?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well that is a very good question. Should I be buying these rechargeable lithium batteries?

[Adam Curry]

When it comes to of these Kratex Kratax 3700 milliwatt hour.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa.

[Adam Curry]

Rechargeable lithium batteries with Charger 8 pack for 23 bucks. If you charge these batteries four times now you're at the. Now that the cost is the same as it would be the cheap. A cheap alkaline battery battery. And these particular batteries are said. I, I don't. I have a hard time believing it but should be rechargeable for 2000 cycles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get out of town.

[Adam Curry]

Making these batteries not only powerful with, with a, with a amazing current, but basically free. Free after free. Well I mean at the. After you charge something. So, so one battery. Battery is like in this case like $4. Wait, four times? Yeah, for let's say $3 plus the charger the battery is probably about a $3 battery. And after charging it 2000 times it becomes like a, it costs you like a penny for the battery.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well what about the energy that it costs to, to.

[Unknown Contributor 3]

To.

[Unknown Contributor 4]

To create?

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't really, it doesn't really use that much to recharge the these things. So anyway this is the Cratex KR and they're actually kind of an attractive battery. Kratax 3700 milliwatt hour double a rechargeable lithiums 23 bucks for eight.

[John C. Dvorak]

That ladies and gentlemen with charger that is without a doubt a stellar tip of the day. Find all of them at [e-mail] Great

[Unknown Contributor 10]

advice for you and me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[Unknown Contributor 8]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that is it for today. We're checking in at 11pm here. Amsterdam time. Who it's been a day but we do this as a public service because we love you and we care about you. We want your amygdala to be perfectly sized and for that you should Support [e-mail] and stay on your modern podcast app or noagendastream.com for Planet Rage. This should be an interesting one. The boys titled it Jesse Waters is wrong. Oh boy. There's a few to coming end of show mixes. We have. Let's see, we got just Baker and Parian. Parian. Parian is how he prefers to be named. And we will return after a glorious birthday here with my wife in Amsterdam. I'm going to spoil her, I tell you. Spoil her. Crazy on Sunday. So we hope that you join us then right here on Noah Jones. So until then, coming to you from the southern district of Amsterdam, the Netherlands, in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Until Sunday everybody. Adios mofos. A hooey, hooey and such.

[Adam Curry]

Artificial, artificial, artificial.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Back in 1990 when I asked for

[Adam Curry]

a date the pretty girls would have

[Unknown Contributor 10]

to reject me to my face now the dating apps have taken out the human elements the boys checked out and now they ask where all the men were

[John C. Dvorak]

we all seek companionship but feminists agree the world is better for the girls without a guy like me so when we find relationships with bots and GPT, who do we blame if that's

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

the only friend we choose to keep?

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Everything is artificial, artificial Even our relationships aren't real anymore it's all artificial, artificial Virtually impossible to know what life's for if you just put your phone down Put your phone down and return to living life socially Then we could be

[Adam Curry]

together Be together Never stop living Artificially artificial.

[John C. Dvorak]

First half they serve the script pre chewed and pristine Second half the thread unravels the suit don't fit the scene

[Unknown Contributor 10]

what started us producing noise in the

[John C. Dvorak]

late night Feed eight into debriefing that the anchors have to read they laughed at the tinfoil when it whispered through the static now the static's got a budget and the whispers Automatic moon bases

[Unknown Contributor 10]

were sci fi till the slides hit

[John C. Dvorak]

the table now the same voices that

[Unknown Contributor 10]

mocked it Gotta spin a new fable Psyop in the daylight Used to be a late night crime now it's limited admission in the headlines every time the

[John C. Dvorak]

fringe used to be the corner where

[Unknown Contributor 10]

the crowd curious got buried now the

[John C. Dvorak]

curious are the ones the narrative can carry Second half, flex where the fiction

[Unknown Contributor 10]

starts to sweat what they call delusion

[John C. Dvorak]

Got the timestamps and the receipts yet they said it was crazy now it's just the daily rotation the back end

[Unknown Contributor 10]

of the formula Exposing the foundation Second

[John C. Dvorak]

afflex the meme the grootif truth was

[Unknown Contributor 10]

in the discount bin now it's front

[John C. Dvorak]

page elite Second watch the script rewrite itself the half they tried to bury turned out to be the real wealth no agenda show don't miss the second half.

[Adam Curry]

Da da da da da na na.

[Unknown Contributor 10]

Twisted signals in the missile salute Fighting the reels while the facts get dilute Striking the deal or just striking the loop Choke point squeeze got the whole Word in pursuit Geopolitical like Instructor Katari Tanker diplomatic timing couldn't have been in your anchor liquid gold burning water premium spike Narrative suits try to dim the spotlight Media megaphone blasting Iraq handed it clean peace process time and feeling way too pristine Funeral crowds chanting victory loud new king ghosting in the shadow of the crowd Value for value that's a no agenda decree Corporate free signal just the listener's feet Truth dissection while the tankers bleed Spin gets shredded so the facts get free Pictures painted with the missile parade float in infernals of the narrative magic who benefits when the tanker goes boom Gas pumps crying while the suits assume comedy Tragedy on the whole world stage Choke point comedy written on the front page Layers hidden in the missile salute Truth in the barrel while they playing it cute Insurance of justice counting barrels of pain Homer's inferno got the whole region Strain talks and Doha dancing on a powder keg Value for

[Unknown Contributor 15]

value keep keep the signal fed hormone

[Unknown Contributor 10]

heat Tankers catching flame Missiles in the straight playing geopolitical game 20% of the crude Value for value keep the signal renewed.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe mofo

[Unknown Contributor 10]

dvorak.org na I love it.

[Unknown Contributor 11]

I love it. I love it.

[Unknown Contributor 6]

More of this.