1893 - "En Banc"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1893 “En Banc” (August 9, 2026)

Hosts: Adam Curry, Darren O’Neill, Larry Blightner

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Episode Overview

This episode is a heartfelt and dynamic blend of media deconstruction, community reflection, and lively banter centered around the recent memorial for John C. Dvorak (JCD). Adam Curry joins Darren O’Neill and Larry Blightner to candidly share his experiences from the memorial, pay tribute to JCD's legacy, and discuss the power of the No Agenda community. In classic No Agenda fashion, the team also deconstructs current news stories, pokes fun at media narratives, and touches on issues ranging from WNBA controversies to the pitfalls of social media and generational technology use.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. John C. Dvorak’s Memorial & Legacy

Timestamps: 02:34–19:00

• Adam calls in from San Francisco after attending JCD’s memorial, recounting both the logistics and the emotional resonance of the occasion.
• Notable attendees: Dana Brunetti, Sir Mark & Dame Astrid (flew from Tokyo), void0mark (Netherlands), and Sir Patrick Coble.
• Anecdotes about JCD’s influence on technology writing, industry, and personal lives.
  • “John could have been a multi, multi, multi-millionaire because he had inside dirt on all products. … But that wasn’t what he did. He wrote about how these products sucked because he felt they could be better.” — Adam Curry (12:38)
• The memorial included stories from JCD’s early computer days, eulogies, and a presentation of custom shadow boxes encapsulating his legacy.
• The show underscores how JCD’s sharp critiques pressured companies (and cohosts) to do better, cementing his role as a relentless, constructive critic.

Memorable Quote:
“It all kind of came together for me... John drove people to make better products. And it made me better.” — Adam Curry (11:59)

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2. Community, Meetups, and Show Evolution

Timestamps: 19:01–21:00; Meetup Reports 171:15–193:34

• Adam advocates for more producer-participation through local reports, new show openings, and utilizing the “boots on the ground” model that has defined No Agenda.
• Positive feedback on the rotation of Adam, Larry, and Darren, leading to a “troika” model possibly involving more producers on Sunday shows.
• Large number of global memorial meetups reported (detailed audio clips play later), demonstrating the resilience and cohesiveness of the No Agenda Nation.

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3. Media Deconstruction: White House Ballroom Saga (Three-by-Three Segment)

Timestamps: 54:08–68:38

• Fox, ABC, and CBS coverage of President Trump’s (fictitious) attempt to build a White House ballroom is compared.
  • Fox frames Trump as a transformative builder hampered by legal nitpicking.
  • ABC focuses on judicial rebuke, delivering a more adversarial or skeptical framing.
  • CBS provides a rare, straightforward, non-editorialized account.
• The hosts mock media bias, highlight legal nuances (private vs. Congressional funding), and discuss the precedent and politics of executive authority.

Memorable Moment:
“Appeal it to the Supreme Court… And bonk. If that’s not a show title, I don’t know what is.” — Darren O’Neill (59:38)

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4. Vignettes & Riffs: Music, Radio, and Celebrity Anecdotes

Timestamps: 00:34–05:25, 21:37–25:13

• Billy Idol concert stories, including Adam’s MTV days, and the timelessness of rockers (“That dude will be 71 this November. And he moves like he’s half that age…”).
• Guitar legends and stage presence discussed with a lighthearted, nostalgic tone.
• The evolution (and demise) of local radio personalities and “morning zoo” shows, skewering the advertising and stereotypes of 1980s/90s radio.

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5. Culture Wars: WNBA, Transgender Athletes, and Identity Politics

Timestamps: 105:23–123:43

• Coverage of the ongoing debate about transgender participation in women’s sports, catalyzed by a viral $10 million challenge to pit the WNBA champs against high school boys.
• Royce White (NBA) and Enes Kanter’s satirical “WNBA declarations” illustrate the tension and absurdities in current sports culture and media handling of these issues.
• Commentary about Caitlin Clark’s role as a cultural flashpoint and the dogpiling she receives (both physically and rhetorically) in the league.

Memorable Quote:
“Are you sure you want to continue on this path? … Then understand the WNBA is for girls and people born female, and leave it at that.” — Stephen A. Smith, paraphrased by Adam Curry (115:25)

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6. Social Media, Regulation, and Parenting

Timestamps: 76:30–91:34

• Critique of state-level lawsuits targeting Meta (Facebook/Instagram) for alleged harms to children:
  • “For you to log on to the Internet, you are going to have to prove who you are with an ID. … This is only about taking more money from the social media.” — Darren O’Neill (86:12)
• Dangers of overregulation, “public nuisance” decrees, and monetizing platforms under the guise of child safety.
• Larger discussion about the need for parental responsibility over device use, and skepticism about any government solution that “thinks of the children.”
• Growing Gen Z trend of swapping smartphones for “dumbphones” to resist social media addiction.

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7. Other Notable Segments

• Sunscreen as a Cancer Risk: New studies question popular health wisdom about sunscreen and dietary links to cancer.
  (100:14–104:05)
• Churches and Wild Sermons: Larry recalls a wild “Jesus is my lover” Catholic sermon and plays a clip from a fiery (and partially unhinged) Baptist preacher.
  (71:52–76:30)
• Book/Resume Scams: “George Santos”-style resume inflation at universities and the proliferation of internet-age scam artists.
  (47:29–54:08)

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Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On JCD’s Critique Style:
  “He would just drive a wedge into anything people were trying to make that was cool – including myself.” — Adam Curry (11:59)
• On Producer Power:
  “No Agenda Nation, man. Just so beautiful. Nothing like it in the world.” — Adam Curry (15:09)
• On Parenting & Technology:
  “You want to keep your child from getting into a car accident, keep them from driving the car… You want to keep your kid off dangerous websites? Don’t give them a smartphone.” — Darren O’Neill (83:33)

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Important Timestamps

• John C. Dvorak Memorial recap: 02:34–19:00
• Show and community evolution: 19:00–21:00
• Music/celebrity stories: 21:37–26:43
• Media deconstruction (Trump ballroom): 54:08–68:38
• Social media lawsuits: 76:30–91:34
• WNBA/trans sports discussion: 105:23–123:43
• Meetup reports: 171:15–193:34

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Tone & Style

Throughout, the hosts maintain their signature mix of candid humor, skepticism, irreverence, and deep community affection. There are jabs at media, sharp cultural critiques, self-referential jokes, and emotional moments, especially during the memorial segments.

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Notable Community Contributions

• Meetup reports: Over ten detailed audio reports from around the world, reflecting on JCD’s impact and the collective mourning/celebration of his life.
• Donations and dedications: Many heartfelt donation messages honoring JCD, supporting Mimi, and expressing support for the No Agenda community.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is both a moving tribute to a podcasting legend and a testament to the power of decentralized, grassroots media. It combines insider stories, biting media analysis, and a celebration of a vibrant community that continues to thrive, adapt, and challenge narratives—even in the wake of loss.

“We’ll keep the questions coming, keep the skepticism true, because that’s the gift you left us, and the work continues, too.” — Perth No Agenda Producers (203:44)

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For Listeners

• For those seeking to understand John C. Dvorak’s legacy and the unique DNA of No Agenda, this episode provides a touching, irreverent, and energizing introduction.
• For regulars, it’s a reaffirmation of the show’s core spirit—and a challenge to participate even more actively, because “the work continues, too.”

Transcript

[Darren O'Neill]

We gotta have common sense.

[Adam Curry]

Larry Bleitner, Darren O'. Neill.

[Darren O'Neill]

It's Sunday, August 9, 2026. This is your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 1893.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes, we're broadcasting live from just outside of Chiraq, right here in FEMA region number five in the morning, everybody. I'm Darren o', Neill, and from the

[Larry Blightner]

pretentious Connecticut shore, this is Larry Blidner. Keeping commies and creeps at bay with my gleaming scimitar of truth, it's Darren and Larry in the Morning.

[Darren O'Neill]

But was Billy Idol okay coming into that area? I mean, with all the commies.

[Larry Blightner]

Billy was dynamite. What a. What a show. It was just electric. I. I'm still amped up from it. I'm. I'm pretty dangerous, so watch yourself. Really. It was. It was insane. It was. Steve Stevens was on fire. 10,000 people screaming, Billy. And you know what? That dude will be 71 this November. And he moves like he's half that age and looks at. He took off his shirt and threw it into the crowd. And he didn't look really bad, you know, like, wow.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, I'm not trying that anytime soon.

[Larry Blightner]

That's. It was. It was absolutely spectacular. I'm hoping maybe when Adam joins us later, maybe he's got a Billy Idol story. You know, he knew all those rock stars and stuff.

[Darren O'Neill]

We will be joined. Yeah. By the POD father.

[Adam Curry]

Dude, I got it. Okay. I wasn't. I was going to wait, but you're

[Darren O'Neill]

going to ask me for a Billy Idol story.

[Adam Curry]

You nailed it.

[Larry Blightner]

Nailed it.

[Adam Curry]

Larry, man, you know that Billy Idol dated downtown Julie Brown?

[Larry Blightner]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. And it was just creepy. Those two, they were so creepy together.

[Larry Blightner]

How creepy? Can you give me like a for instance?

[Adam Curry]

Just like, you know, just. Just tonguing each other in the hallways and.

[Darren O'Neill]

Go get.

[Adam Curry]

Get a room, man.

[Larry Blightner]

Get a room.

[Adam Curry]

It was nasty. Well, she was kind of nasty. She probably. She's. I'm sure she's very nice now, now that she's married to a big Hollywood producer. Oh. And doesn't have to work in the morning to you boys.

[Larry Blightner]

How you doing in the morning there, Adam?

[Darren O'Neill]

Doing good.

[Larry Blightner]

Great.

[Adam Curry]

I. Yeah, I apologize. I don't sound like myself because this was a rare occasion where we traveled and I didn't have to lug along the entire portable studio. I'm like, I'm not gonna have time. I'm just gonna bring along my little POD mobile plugin device.

[Larry Blightner]

You sound great. Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Larry Blightner]

Thanks. You do?

[Adam Curry]

Really? Okay.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's funny how whenever you're setting something up. And I just have a little tripod for the microphone. I don't have. I don't have my boom arm. It's always, you know, whenever you're looking for something to build the studio with in a hotel room, it's always the trash can. For some reason. The trash can is always the perfect. The perfect device, you know. So I got. I got it on top of the trash can, exactly the right height. So, yeah, I'm here in San Francisco and we were here for John Memorial yesterday. But first of all, man, there were memorials all over the world, the meetups that were taking place. Horowitz did a big thing in Fort Lauderdale and. And he was doing like John trivia and he had prizes and all kinds of stuff. And we have. What do we have, Darren? Like five or six meetup reports already.

[Darren O'Neill]

Ten.

[Larry Blightner]

Ten already. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Which. Which I know you guys will. Will play later. I'm. I'm just. I'm literally so tired that I. I wish I could be here for the whole show, but I. This was yesterday. It just all came out, you know, it was like just the weeks, honestly, months because of John's earlier medical stuff and, you know, just dragging the cart along. But, you know, with. With lots of help from everybody and just really not know. It was closure. It was big closure for me personally, but it was. So, I mean, maybe let's just do it chronologically. We got in, we flew out Friday from Austin. So that by itself is just such a hassle, man. It's like an hour and 45 drive for us. And then, you know, Southwest was delayed and just all. So anyway, we get in, we get into the hotel and we come in. We're in like 7:30. And Dana Brunetti, who doesn't know him, Hollywood producer of the biggest movies in the world, and his beautiful wife Alex, they said, well, we'll come to the hotel, we'll grab some dinner. So I mean, we had great, great dinner with, with Brunetti. What? He and his wife. I never met him in person. Just a lovely, lovely guy. So no agenda. So anti Hollywood. He is one of us, man. I'll tell you that. He is one of us. And then the next day, everybody was coming in. We had Sir Mark and Dame Astrid flew in from Tokyo, which is just, you know, they are the Archduke and archduchess of Japan and the Japan Sea and all the disputed islands. And I mean, these people, they've been listening since episode one.

[Larry Blightner]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

They've been with the show. And for people who don't know them. You should just look up Dytham Klein, Dytham Architects in Tokyo. They have done some of the most amazing buildings. I think they've probably done like 20, 25% of Tokyo's most beautiful buildings. Like the Emperor's Library. They did the. I think they did the Fender guitar building. The Fender guitar building. Yeah. Sony building. They've just done such amazing projects and they're just lovely, lovely people. He's British, she's Swiss, but they've both been in Japan forever. Also flying in for this occasion was void 0mark coming in from the Netherlands. Wow. He, I mean just. It was. I haven't seen him in 12 years. Last time since I saw him in person. Sir Patrick Coble. Of course. Sir Patrick Coble is everywhere. Every single place, anywhere there's something good, a meet up. Sir Patrick Coble is always there. So we hung out with them for a little bit, had a kind of a lunch. I really couldn't eat much. I knew I was going to be speaking. They had me on the lineup for this gig

[Darren O'Neill]

and

[Adam Curry]

so we all went to the chapel in Oakland. Beautiful. Just thing is like, I don't know, must be over 100 years old. Probably about 70 people there. And as you know. So Mimi said a few words. Eric the Shill came up with his wife Janelle from South Dakota. People know Eric the Shill. He used to do the back office before Jay came in to do that. And he was master of ceremonies. Then Marty Higgins, who wrote many of the jokes for John. And throughout the years he's been friends with Mimi, I think first for, I don't know, 40 years. He did the eulogy. It was kind of cool because he came to me later and he says, you know, I have something. And most of these people were as old as wood. I mean, they're all like in their 70s and 80s. I'll just be honest about it. And Marty's like, you know, do you remember when John was doing the Confucius stuff? I'm like, yeah, I remember that. Do you remember that, Darren or Larry, when John would open the show and he would do a Confucius says, I gotta find out he was doing this for maybe a month and they would be okay. You know, I think a Confucius says maybe is not the best thing for an opening. But anyway, so Marty comes up to me, he says, do you remember the Confucius says stuff? I said, yeah. I said, well, I wrote those. Uh huh. He said, you gotta understand the backstory. John called me up one Day and said, I got a great idea for a book. I got a great idea for a book. It's a comedy book, and it's just filled with Confucius says. And so. And Marty says, but I guess you didn't like it or something. I never knew it was supposed to be a book. John just was throwing this stuff at me. I'm like, okay. He gives me a list of 250 Confucius says that he wrote for that book. And they are so. So they're. Most of them. I can't even read on the air. I mean, when it starts with lesbian who curl hair. I mean, no, I'm just gonna leave that one where it is. But, you know, so that's.

[Larry Blightner]

Did he do it with a Chinese accent?

[Adam Curry]

Just. Just. John did it. John did. Tried to do it with the Chinese accent. That may have been part of the problem, now that I think about it.

[Larry Blightner]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And anyway, so Marty does the eulogy. Funny. He's a. He used to be Marty in the morning. You know, he did radio. Morning radio back in the late 70s. So these are all just really interesting people. Then Brandon J's husband spoke, and he just had a lovely bit about, you know, how he asked John if he could marry Jay twice. And you can only imagine how hilarious that situation went both times. Then I did my piece, and then they had kind of an open mic, which was appropriate because there were comedians and there were just wild and wacky people there. So Voyage Zero was phenomenal. You know, the sysadmin who's always quiet and doesn't say much, and he just kind of sits there and makes everything run. Yeah, man. Void Zero. We almost had to give him the hook. He wouldn't stop yet. He had written 10,000 words, but it was all so. It was. Oh, but it was all so beautiful. And. And, you know, you could just tell how everyone had been affected by John. And then you got like the old PC Mag publishing days, which Mimi doesn't even know them, that predated her and John's relationship. There were stories about how John had ghostwritten the first book by Adam Osborne. I mean, this is going back, right? Guys who were. Than the original deck Day of Computing. And everybody kind of had the same basic story about John where he'd call you up and go, hey, that was how John called you on the phone and never called me. But the one time he did. Hey, D. And everybody had very similar stories. Some people were just like, wow, that these guys exist. You know, that they really. They're from these old computer days. And they had stories about just like, you know, devices and peripherals that you'd recognize and how John was, you know, just always all on top of this. And a common theme. You know, people might often get the. And I've always known this. But it was said so perfectly by one of the speakers that John. It always sounded like he was just crapping on everything. You know, like the mouse and the. And the iPad and the Apple watch and all this stuff. The point was made that John actually, because of how he wrote about these things, drove people to make better products.

[Larry Blightner]

True.

[Adam Curry]

And I think that's true that, you know, the. Just the way he would just. Just drive a wedge into anything that people were trying to make that was cool. Including myself, by the way, when I would be so proud of the Howard Stern interview I did. And he said sucked. It sucked. You didn't mention the show. Didn't mention the show enough. I don't think he even mentioned me. You know, just on it. But. And it made me better. And that was a very, very clear message from everybody. There was a. Oh, yeah, a couple of older comedians.

[Darren O'Neill]

Even with the art stuff. I mean, Dvorak was great. If he liked my stuff, it wasn't any. Anywhere near as fun.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. And, and, and I, I guess I knew that inherently, but it's not until people started saying it that he was so. You know, John could have been a multi, multi, multi millionaire because he had inside dirt on all products. He could have gone to work for any company, told him how to do it, but that wasn't what he did. He wrote about how these products sucked because he felt they could be better. Now he didn't necessarily always say it would be better if. But that was. That really was a big part of his role in the world. And I really came to appreciate that hearing that yesterday. Oh, yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Not like computers became a thing.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. It was all in vain. Obviously.

[Darren O'Neill]

You think about the world that he actually molded with his words at the back of those PC magazines and elsewhere. Yeah, it is quite amazing.

[Adam Curry]

It all kind of came together for me when Sir Patrick Coble and many of the no Agenda producers and artists were in on this and they helped crowdfund it and helped find the different knickknacks. I posted it on X. Sir Patrick Cole made two shadow boxes. You know, shadow boxes. But I guess typically, like, you get one if you served in the armed forces or you had a child who was killed somewhere in the armed forces. You get this beautiful wooden box with glass in front and has the flag and their medals and their picture, et cetera. And Neil Patrick's an ex Marine and these things. You've got to zoom in on this picture. It had just all these different artifacts of John and of me and of no agenda, including a, an ho scale model of the Zephyr that had one of the, you know, a mouse in there. It had MTV patch, it had a first gen iPod. You know, back in the day when John was taking digital pictures and always saying, your camera, your camera, your phone's camera sucks, why do you use that? Of course he was trying to make that better. And it did get better over time, you know, little handheld digital camera, one of his Dvorak speaking typing tutor software packages. I mean, just, it's such a lovely, I mean I, I couldn't hold it together, man. When he gave that to me, it's like. And he even had it custom made for a suitcase because it had to fit in the suitcase for us to take it back.

[Larry Blightner]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

I mean that just, I mean, no, A genination, man. Just, just so beautiful.

[Larry Blightner]

Nothing like it in the world. Nothing.

[Adam Curry]

There really is nothing like it in the world. Let me see if I got everybody in here. Well, so what was I. There was something, another point I was gonna. Oh yes, the Victoria Rokanye. I don't know if you know who she is, she's like the CBS CBS LA entertainment reporter. And I actually had forgotten this, but the one time I went to John's house, the one time I was invited and not allowed to go see the studio was a Thanksgiving and he'd invited Victoria as well. She's this really cute Asian LA reporter and she's like an undercover Republican. Catholic, of course, could never let on about that doing her job. But John knew all about her and she and several other people, I mean, would just stand up and say, you know, people don't understand how John helped me in my career. He would give me same thing that he's doing for the PC industry. He would critique my work, tell me what to do. But he would also make connections like, oh, call this person now, they're waiting for you. He helps so many people further their careers that people don't even know about. So just, I mean, just unbelievably beautiful to hear all of that. We've had a slideshow, you know, there's the little urn sitting there, which I always find creepy. You know, John's in there. There's no way he fits in there. His kids were there, of course, and then we all walked down the street to Kona Bar Kona, which is like a tiki bar. The lovely folks from Violetta Pizza, who have a place right across the street, they brought in pizza. You know, everybody was just hanging out and. And just. Just having a very, very, very good time. Dame Rita from Sparks, Nevada, showed up. I mean, just. It was mind blowing how much love there was for John. And I think it was really good that we all just got to have some closure at this point. And, you know, at a certain point, Tina looks at me and she says, am I going to have to carry you to the car? I say, yeah. So we just had to go home. And like, now I'm staying here today. There's a lot of paperwork I've got to help Mimi with, because you can imagine not everything was all set up for this, for this moment in time. So we have some, you know, bank. Bank stuff to do. She can't act as bank accounts.

[Darren O'Neill]

It's worse than no passwords.

[Adam Curry]

We got the passwords. We got. Because, you know, she had always said, john, well, what if. And John said, nah, you'll figure it out. Well, we're figuring it out. We are literally figuring it out. I mean, can you believe that?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we're figuring it out. So it was just great. And I'm so looking forward to hearing the meetup, the meet up reports from everybody from around Gitmo Nation. And without exception, everybody says, hey, I really like this combo of Darren and Larry and Adam coming in. So there's something going on here that, like, Sir Patrick Cobal had a. I thought an interesting idea that, you know, if people. We have so many boots on the ground, it's one of the secrets of no agenda is we have somebody who's an expert in whatever the story of the day is. And it's so easy for everybody to just record something. Maybe if there's something going on, you can send it in. There might be a way to work that into the show, I think. Darren, you already got three or four different new openings for. For the show.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes. And of course, we can work on always. More is good. More choices.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I see Mike Riley has just been reactivated. He's doing. He's doing art now. I mean, come on, man. This is awesome. It's just. Thank you. No Agenda Nation. It's just so, so beautiful to see all of this happening.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. When the Sir Duke of the south came looking for artists for those shadow boxes, I'm like, well, you don't want me, but you want Mike Riley. And Roger Roundy and a few others. And.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[Darren O'Neill]

You know, they're not the AI Junkies, man. They know how to. Mike Riley stuff is amazing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Thank you. Actually, I'm just. Just remembering now that I hit the bat signal, but I didn't post it on X. So why don't you guys talk amongst yourselves, and I'll do what I was supposed to do here.

[Darren O'Neill]

You got to boost the toot. You got to let everybody know the show is live. If you're not listening On a Podcasting 2.0 app, you are missing out, because that way you get your notification when the show goes live, which you want to listen live.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Have you. Have you guys been following Trump's hair? That seems to be the biggest news at the moment.

[Larry Blightner]

It is a big news.

[Adam Curry]

What is going on with Trump's hair?

[Darren O'Neill]

I thought it got bigger.

[Adam Curry]

What? It's gotten bigger?

[Darren O'Neill]

I didn't see any photos. I just saw something like it's blown out or something. I don't know if he's looking to go maybe try out for the wnba. Who knows?

[Larry Blightner]

I think he needs a. He needs a stronger grade of hairspray because it seems like it's blowing out of place a lot more easily. So I think that might be part of it.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, Larry, you say you always could see a toupee. Is this.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes. That is my superpower. I don't know if Adam knows that yet, but I can spot a rug from.

[Darren O'Neill]

Is Trump's real?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. No, I do know this is superpower. It's not quite as impressive as the vasectomy, but it's an important skill to have.

[Larry Blightner]

That was really, really impressive. Impressive. I gotta say that. No kidding. Vasectomy spotting, like what. So did I recall that was like the underpinning of that was the reduced T counts or something. And so they didn't quite comport themselves with as much masculinity as a unvisectomized guy would. Or. What. What did he base that on?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the history was that vasectomies were done back in the. Back in the day. I don't know, 1800s. I forget what century were. Were performed as a. A. A youth making experience to make someone appear younger. So, you know, kind of like the Botox of the day.

[Larry Blightner]

Right?

[Adam Curry]

Seems a little more painful. But that was the. It was the Botox of the day to make men, you know, men wanted to look. And even then, you know, back in those 17, 1800s, you wanted to look a little feminine. That was kind of sexy of the day.

[Larry Blightner]

Maybe that's been Billy Idol's secret.

[Adam Curry]

If Steve Stevens still playing with Billy.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, my. Is he playing. You know what that guy. Tell me, riddle me this. Why is that guy's name not up there with Hendrix and Clapton and Bex? I mean, he is.

[Adam Curry]

Should absolutely be there. So I interviewed him.

[Larry Blightner]

Did you?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Late 80s. And he came into the studio because, you know, I think it was. It might have been Headbangers Ball.

[Darren O'Neill]

I don't remember.

[Adam Curry]

And this is. You remember these days, Larry, back in the day, like, when even the VJs got golden platinum records and like. Yeah, thanks for. Thanks for helping, son. Here's something to hang on your wall. And he came in and he gave me a. His signature Steve Stevens Hamer guitar. Oh, I still have it. I still have it. Signed by sound by Steve. Steve Stevens. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

That.

[Adam Curry]

He was just a nice guy.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. Yeah. That's so New York, right? His New York accent, very much.

[Adam Curry]

He literally walked down the street. Oh, he just walked down the street to the studio. No, had a guitar case here. Adam, how you doing? These guys were all very, very New York, very New York. Love that about him. And then there's. If there's a classic guitar story, Joe Satriani, who I think is also just virtuoso the guy so good you can look it up on YouTube. There's two versions. There's a longer version, and he. And he's going to give me guitar lessons. He's going to show me. Now I'm not actually holding a guitar, but he's. He has a guitar. He says, okay, Adam. And he says, now this is. I mean, he does something. There's a little stuff back and forth, but that's not really what makes you a great guitar player. And here's something you can practice, Adam. You've got to make your faces. So it was teaching the right face to make. When you.

[Darren O'Neill]

Oh, when you hit.

[Adam Curry]

When you hit this one, you go.

[Darren O'Neill]

You gotta. You gotta pull your lips back like that. You gotta close your eyes.

[Adam Curry]

That's what makes a great guitar player. Right there.

[Larry Blightner]

That's great stuff.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, you can have the sound. It's not in the gear. I mean, Ted Nugent told the story about Eddie Van Halen where when he met him, he's like, you know, how do you get that sound? And Eddie handed him his guitar. He's like, I played it. I sound like Ted Nugent still. I don't know how he, you know, made those sounds. It wasn't trickery. It wasn't gear. It was Just pure talent in the way he played.

[Adam Curry]

Talents and tone, ma'.

[Darren O'Neill]

Am.

[Adam Curry]

That's what it is.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes. And the tone comes in the hands.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes, it does.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. You can't.

[Larry Blightner]

I felt bad for the. The rhythm guitarist on stage with Billy because, I mean, the guy was very good, but nobody cared. It's just, you know.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, he's getting paid to stand in the back and strum a few chords.

[Larry Blightner]

And Billy, he did a couple backing him up. They were unbelievable, these chicks. Oh, my God, they were. They were so fantastic. It was really one of the best shows I ever, ever seen. Really, really great. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Glad he's still around. I mean, that guy.

[Adam Curry]

Was this the Westbury Music Fair?

[Larry Blightner]

No, this was. This was at the. This was at the Mohegan Sun Hotel Casino. And I had to laugh, laugh like hell, because a couple of times during the show, the hotel is located in a little dinky town called Uncasville, Connecticut. Right. And a couple of times he was doing songs and he would shoehorn in the words Uncasville, Connecticut. And so when we left, I turned to my wife, I said, I. I said. I said to her, why the hell did he keep saying, I can spell Connecticut?

[Darren O'Neill]

That's what I heard.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Yeah. He was basically doing, hello, Cleveland, and you, miss.

[Darren O'Neill]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[Larry Blightner]

Got it. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Nice. So Logan 5 in the troll room is talking about the gold and platinum records. I just need to say something about that. In the early days, you actually could take the gold or platinum record out of the case and you could play it. However, you had to play it backwards because it was a gold or platinum plated version of. I guess they call it the mother.

[Darren O'Neill]

Right?

[Adam Curry]

Inverse. Yeah. So you literally had to play it backwards. But they did play. They actually did play later. It was just crap. I mean, I still. Mine still have later. I got the CD versions from Michael Jackson and Aerosmith, which is. Those are some of my. I like those because I can always, you know, connect the story to it. But I have a lot of the old school platinum and gold records, and they all have a little cassette stuck to the right hand, bottom corner, you know. Cause it also sold on cassette back in the day. And those, of course, over the years have, you know, come unglued and dropped and they're kind of loose in the case. And it's just. No, it's.

[Larry Blightner]

If you.

[Adam Curry]

Memorabilia is fun.

[Larry Blightner]

If you play them forward, would they reveal the masked satanic lyrics? Would you.

[Adam Curry]

I buried Paul.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. I always just assumed those were, you know, made up and they weren't actually the album. So it's good to know. They actually took a copy of the album and made.

[Adam Curry]

For a while. For a while. But it got old and they didn't do that anymore.

[Darren O'Neill]

And then the whole industry changed, and nobody buys music anymore.

[Larry Blightner]

You still do, right? You buy a lot of vinyl.

[Darren O'Neill]

Oh, well, the vinyl. Yeah. Now that's the.

[Adam Curry]

You know what's crazy? You know how Spotify. Spotify is in a very difficult position with podcasts because they are also, you know, owned by Major. I mean, it's public company, but a lot of the insiders who own shares early on were the publishing companies and the record companies who own the rights to all this music, which is why, you know, artists, you know, really don't get paid very well because they don't own their publishing. You know, SoundExchange came in, and so there is some money, but that whole. The whole system is screwy because they just put it into a big pot and then they divide it up by plays. So the whole thing is corrupt and no good. But we were never on Spotify with this show because they. They had an early contract that said, first of all, signing a contract with basically a podcast app. I'm like, no, that's not gonna do that. And they'd put us on and they could play in front of our podcast. Like, no, I don't want that. So I went through all kinds of hoops to get us taken off. And we finally got taken off. Then I guess it was like a year ago or something, and we were talking about, I'll put us back on Spotify. Which of course couldn't happen because somewhere in their database it said, never import this feed because those guys are dicks. So you don't want them. They got that undone. But then we've had episode after episode taken off because of a violation of music copyrights. You cannot have any music in your podcast on Spotify. And at first I thought it was, you know, just any music that was detecting something. I know that we. We have some songs that are technically completely legal because it's parody of an existing song and it's within the context of the show. So we're not releasing it as a separate entity. But the other day I got two, and I'm like, what is going on? What are they striking us off? You know, you can appeal it. Yeah, I'm going to click that link. No, whatever. You should use a real podcast app. What's happening is people who do end of show mixes are also submitting their songs to Spotify for people to enjoy them. So now we're in the Spotify music database. They see that we're playing that on our show. Boom, violation, you're out.

[Darren O'Neill]

See, I would have thought it was Sir Chris Wilson, because he's done a few parodies that are, you know, again, songs that everybody would know, but putting his spin on it, which that I kind of understand getting clipped for. But, yeah, not. Not. AI had to.

[Adam Curry]

I had to research, and I'm like, oh, I see what's happening. But, you know, again, if Spotify were. Were doing the right thing, then, you know, not just doing algorithmic detection, you know, we have. It is completely within the fair use clause of the copyright law to do a parody of an existing song within the context, you know, not releasing it ourselves, but within the context of a. Of an educational program, which, of course, no agenda is. But we'll never. We'll never get over that hurdle. So just get a modern podcast that people.

[Larry Blightner]

I was once sort of spotified by John Dvorak. Adam. You know, this went back. I'm serious. This went back. Yeah. At the very height of the COVID thing, I sent you a couple of end of show songs, and this one was kind of. It was a. It was a. It was a, of course, a parody of Teacher Children. No AI all my own guitar tracks, vocals, whatever. And you dug it so much that somewhere, maybe 40, 50 minutes into it, when you mentioned end of show mixes, you said, and here's something that came in from. From that Larry guy. This is really cool. And you got maybe, maybe one and a half bars played, and John goes.

[Darren O'Neill]

That goes at the end of the show.

[Larry Blightner]

And I thought, wait, he really. He really is buzzkill. Wow, thank you, John.

[Adam Curry]

I gotta dig that one up. Larry. I completely forgot about that. Yeah, it's. It's amazing how people come up to me and say, hey, remember that episode when. And. And I just go blank. I'm like, of course. I gotta tell you, man, I really don't remember this at all.

[Larry Blightner]

It was very funny.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, man. Oh, man. So anyway, I appreciate you guys holding down the fort, and I look forward to, you know, joining on Thursday. I'll be fresh, ready to do some media deconstruction with you. The closure for me in this. In this weekend here has been that, you know, of course I want to be. You know, I'm still producing for you guys, doing clips and bringing you information, and I want to. I always want to be a part of this show, certainly on Thursdays, but I do have a calling to do more with. We get to do this with Pastor Jimmy. I'm just going to be honest, you know. You know, I'm 61. Things happened to me a couple years ago, so I am going to continue to build that up as well. But I'm more convinced than ever that no Agenda Nation will get through this, will become healthier, will become, I believe, even stronger and bigger. And I like the. I like kind of the troika thing that you guys have started to develop here. And I. We talked the other day and I encourage you to look at some of the people in no Agenda Nation for maybe joining you on Sunday. Something is changing here and it feels good to me. It feels like good things are happening.

[Darren O'Neill]

Like the old morning zoos, but actually funny.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, God.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly. And without the bull crap. What was for a time there? Every single morning zoo, which by the way, morning Radio guys, 90% are overweight. This is just fact.

[Larry Blightner]

Very true.

[Adam Curry]

And it was the Nutrisystem and they'd all lead into this. You know, it's like today the podcasts have. You know, if you're worried about the Muslims taking over Texas, you might want to buy some gold. I mean, this is. Every single podcast does this now. And those guys would all be like, well, you know, you know, Ross, I was stood on the scale this morning and, oh, it's all water weight. Oh, yeah, yeah. And they. But, you know, I've been on the nutrisystem and it's been fantastic for me. None of these guys ever got under 300 pounds, okay? It never, ever, ever works. So without all that lameness, without the joke guy, you know, without the. Without the, the. The black guy who does sports. It was also racist. These morning zoos without the hot sounding news lady who was never hot looking.

[Larry Blightner]

Never hot.

[Darren O'Neill]

We need that.

[Larry Blightner]

Was that Ross you mentioned? Ross Brittain?

[Adam Curry]

Ross Britton? Yeah, you know, exactly. I'm too at guitar.

[Larry Blightner]

I know Ross very well and I used to write shtick for the Z when it first started with him. And I forget who his partner.

[Darren O'Neill]

No kidding.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is going way back and I won't tell you now, but Ross then duked me into a job at WNEW am, from which I was eventually fired by proxy by Sinatra.

[Darren O'Neill]

Wow. Wow.

[Larry Blightner]

Tell that story another time. It's absolutely true.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I believe it. I believe it.

[Larry Blightner]

But Ross was a good guy. But the Z mornings used to drive me nuts.

[Darren O'Neill]

Is he.

[Adam Curry]

Is he still. Is he still alive?

[Larry Blightner]

I think he is. You know, I saw him like on Facebook a Couple years back, and he was doing morning drive on. I forget who that was. It was still in New York station. Ross is a good guy. I liked him a lot.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's good friend. It was now they had Mr. Leonard. Do you remember Mr. Leonard?

[Larry Blightner]

Mr. Leonard, yeah. Mr. Lenigan. Of course I remember.

[Adam Curry]

So, Mr. This guy had a super gig. Mr. Leonard was again, a guy who was at least 300 pounds and 4 foot 10. And it's Mr. Leonard. And he had this voice and he. It was funny. I mean, funny bits. But he would call 15 stations a day, and then he would call them from the station he was visiting. Mr. Len. It sounded like Mr. Leonard lived in New York. He drove a lime green Pinto. The guy lived in Philly, I think. And, you know, so he'd be. For a week, he'd be at Z100 and. And when he wasn't doing his little shtick, he'd call these other 15 stations and the next week he'd be in San Diego or wherever. I mean, the guy had an unbelievable gig just, you know, being this one character on all these radio stations. Back when radio stations were local, you know, when you just had a local station, you had your local guys. Now it's like Elvis Durant in the morning, Good morning, San Francisco, Good morning, Dallas, Good morning, Philadelphia. You know, become so homogenized and crappy that I'm glad that we have a podcast like ours.

[Larry Blightner]

Absolutely. It's. It's all Jack fm. Accent on the Jack.

[Darren O'Neill]

It is.

[Adam Curry]

It is straight up. Straight up, straight up.

[Darren O'Neill]

Amazing. This is. The more you're gonna find out about Larry. I mean, he's probably on the Mob's hit list if he had. Sinatra got him fired.

[Adam Curry]

So talking about. So last night we're taking an Uber back from. From Oakland and where it's sitting in the back. We're tired and we're hearing all these songs. And Tina says, I miss George Michael. See, I miss him, too. This, you know, like one of his ballad songs. And then another song comes on, and I'm like, oh, this is. This is Linda Ronstadt with that black guy who had, like, the big mole above his eyeball.

[Darren O'Neill]

No, no.

[Larry Blightner]

Aaron Neville.

[Adam Curry]

Aaron Neville. So we're trying to figure, like, who. What was that guy's name? And the driver says, aaron Neville. I said, yeah, Ben. But you're looking up there at the display says, no, this is my playlist. And he has a little bit of an accent and so older guy. And so of course, we're talking to him and he's like, well, you know, I had a drink with San Fran with Frank Sinatra when I was running the, like, the stars restaurant. And he, you know, pulls up his phone, sure enough, sure enough, there he is, him and Frank Sinatra having a drink and tuxedos. And now you can just see this guy. He's, you know, he's got to be in his 70s, driving the Uber, telling everybody about the good old days with Frank. That's your future, Larry. There it is.

[Larry Blightner]

Thank you.

[Darren O'Neill]

Good driver driving an Uber, talking about

[Adam Curry]

your days with Frank, that you got

[Darren O'Neill]

fired by Frank while podcasting live from the driver's seat. There you go.

[Larry Blightner]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God. Anyway, guys, I'm going to. I'm going to bow out about reaching the end of the energy I've got here. I just want to thank everybody for all the emails, the direct messages, the text messages. You've been wonderful. Can't wait to see you guys on 30 on Thursday. And Darren and Larry, love you guys. We'll talk to you in the week

[Darren O'Neill]

and take care of yourself. Look forward to it, and thanks for report.

[Adam Curry]

Adios, mofos and such and such.

[Darren O'Neill]

I don't know how you follow that,

[Larry Blightner]

but we're gonna try. We'll do. We'll do just fine. What a. What a pleasant interlude that was.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, you got your Billy Idol story.

[Larry Blightner]

Got my Billy Idol story. Yeah, it was. Wow. Who knew. Who knew that would lead to. To all that? What a. What a glorious detour we took, huh?

[Darren O'Neill]

And I've been on Adam since he mentioned that Steve Stevens guitar sitting in his studio. I'm like, you got to learn how to play.

[Larry Blightner]

He does. And I was. I was looking very close. I had, like, kissed the stage seats last night. It was amazing. And. And then, of course, they had the big video screens flanking it. But he's. He's got a whole signature deal with a Canadian guitar company that think called Go down or Go Din. I don't know, whatever. G O D I N. And a couple of them are really oddballs. You know, they. They've got open headstocks and nylon strings on them and. Wow. But everything. Everything that guy touches sounds great because he's great.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, I'm sure there's still money in that, getting guitar to make a signature model. I mean, it's sad that less and less people are actually playing instruments, but, yeah, you really can't reproduce that when going out live, which is why a lot of these guys are in their 50s, 60s, 70s, in their 80s. I mean, Willie Nelson out there in his 90s now. Playing it's like it's a dying breed. That's for hope. I'm hoping it comes back because you can't replace it with. And it's not just AI, but you can't replace it with the electronic music and all the synthesized stuff.

[Larry Blightner]

I have a Willie story if you want that.

[Darren O'Neill]

I mean, why not? Before we get into real news. Deconstruction.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, I. I met him long time ago when I. When I was fronting a country band and back in the good old days. And I think, yeah, Adam mentioned Westbury Music Fair, which was a very small venue, it's only a couple thousand people. And it was a stage that revolved in a circle. So there were no bad seats. None. And it was such a different world back then without psychos in every corner. Well, yeah, that. You know, my. My band, it was the Cadillac Cowboys. And my partner, his name was Pontiac Pete. And he goes, hey man, let's go try to find Willie. Okay?

[Darren O'Neill]

So we just. Of course, why not?

[Larry Blightner]

You know, why not? So we left. We left the arena and walked around the. And there was Willie just standing by the tour bus, hanging out. We walked. He's all alone. Walked right up, introduced ourselves. He looks. Because Another redhead. That's what it was back then. So. So, but. But years. I saw Willie again many years late, many years later in LA in a little club 20 miles north of my house called. I forget what that was called. And Willie was much. Obviously we were all much, much older by then. And he did his show like he was under sniper fire. I mean, he didn't even wait for the applause between songs. It was like. So it must have been like a la. Cause it wasn't announced. It was suddenly a last minute thing. I'm driving down the Ventura Freeway and I see appearing tonight, Willie Nelson. I'm a Willie fan. I'd had known of that if there was advance notice, but there was. So somebody must have dropped out. Willie was in the neighborhood and they said, do you want a gig? That's probably how it went down. And he's probably. He was probably pushing 80 by then, you know, and he's not Billy Idol. He didn't quite look that good. And so at the end of the show, it's swarmed by chicks who are, you know, 21 to 30, leaping up on stage, handing him sharpies and pulling down their tops so he can autograph their boobs.

[Darren O'Neill]

Kevin McLaughlin. You hearing that, buddy?

[Larry Blightner]

And I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, if this guy wasn't a massive Music star. And he even spoke to any of these girls at the check stand at the supermarket they dial 91 1. You know, this is the power of music and stardom.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, this is the problem. This is a. Learn how to play the guitar, kids.

[Larry Blightner]

Exactly, exactly.

[Darren O'Neill]

Absolutely. And Willie, I've seen him in concert a few times and he could. This is part of even Elvis later in his career where they would rip through a five minute song in a minute flat. You know, it's. Some artists are a little different live. Willie was good, but you know, I get it when you got like 8,000 hits, you gotta hit as much as you can in a live show.

[Larry Blightner]

You do. We do.

[Darren O'Neill]

Now you're starting us with a depressing story out in Michigan. Somebody commented, I love how much Larry hates commies. That was I think one of the, one of the reviews that popped up on one of the podcasts.

[Larry Blightner]

I take that as a great compliment. I hate them with no apologies either. None whatsoever. Yeah, this must be that El Sayed guy, right?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes.

[Larry Blightner]

Okay, so. So he's, he's going to speak about how glorious he is and how he's going to fix everything, including Medicare. And did you know, Darren, did you know the problem that the problem with Medicare is? Racism?

[Darren O'Neill]

Isn't everything? Isn't that the problem now? Racism?

[Larry Blightner]

I guess, but I didn't know it applied to Medicare. But now, now we're about to find that. How true. That is. One of the biggest challenges that we have when it comes to racial inequalities

[Darren O'Neill]

in health, which is the area of

[Larry Blightner]

my expertise is what I studied when I wrote my dissertation on, is that we have a multi class health care system. So even if you have coverage on Medicaid, Medicaid reimburses at nearly half the

[Adam Curry]

rate as private health insurance.

[Larry Blightner]

So health care companies are like, I'm so sorry but you're paying half freight.

[Darren O'Neill]

So you get discriminated against at the point of care. And too often in urban communities because

[Larry Blightner]

of structural racism, because of the circumstances of segregation, you end up having situations where you may have health insurance through Medicaid but you don't have health care because you can't get your Medicaid accepted where you need to get care. Now there you have that right. Well, Newt Wrinkle was uncovered. He has a wife who was a psychiatrist. Her name is Sarah Jakuku.

[Darren O'Neill]

Oh, you can't make that up.

[Larry Blightner]

I'm sorry, I mispronounced Jakaku.

[Darren O'Neill]

Oh, that's different.

[Larry Blightner]

J U K A K U And she runs a private Practice in Ann Arbor called Mind Work Psychiatry. And as I was reading this, I thought, I wish. I wish Darren had like a theremin clip to put in, you know, Mind Work Psychiatry. Anyway, here's the kicker, man. This guy's beefing about, oh, I knew you could do it, man. If anybody. Beautiful.

[Darren O'Neill]

The Podfather provides all clips.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, that's great. So she opted out of Medicare in 2025. Oh, let me back up a second. His. Their income, their family income for last year was about 700 grand, almost all of it hers. So she's doing real well with the Mind Work Psychiatry. She opted out of Medicare in 2025, according to records reported by the Washington Free Beacon. So she can't bill the program and she's not listed as an eligible provider on any of the insurance plans that provide coverage for Medicare. So, you know, she's. She's exactly the type of physician or shrink that her husband is. Is deriding.

[Darren O'Neill]

So she's not taking Medicare or Medicaid patients?

[Larry Blightner]

No, you know, only for special people, you know, so then there's more. It says Mindworks website notes that, quote, Dr. Jukaku is out of network for all insurance, meaning patients must pay out of pocket for her services. Something, quote, black and brown. Folks who are low income, as Elsay had put it, are unlikely to be able to afford. So just for the hell of it, I went to the site and guess what I saw. It says, this site is currently private. If you're the owner, contributor login had to pull that.

[Darren O'Neill]

You always know it's bad when the social media or the website disappears. Disappears?

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. And I should probably throw it into somebody's lap who knows what they're doing, like you. But I went to. What's that thing, the Wayback Machine, and several other clones of that saying, you know, maybe somebody's got some pages on what it looked like before they walled it off, but couldn't find a damn thing.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, that's it. It's.

[Larry Blightner]

That's it.

[Darren O'Neill]

Everything has been turned into. It's racist. Yes, it is. The medical system in this country is flawed. I don't think anybody is going to argue that it is the perfect system that anybody's ever come up with. No, I mean, I remember hearing, you know, guys like Rush Limbaugh talking about, well, I don't really have insurance. I just have enough money that if anything goes wrong, you know, I can afford to pay for it. So you've got that level of people, and then you go all the way down to the lowest Common denominator. And yeah, there are things that aren't perfect, but I really have yet to see any evidence that anything is going to be approved based upon the color of somebody's skin and disapproved for the reason of the color of their skin. It's like it doesn't happen. That is, I mean again, people throw these kind of things out there. It's why the left loves throwing it out there. Because they know one. There are going to be some people that just believe it.

[Larry Blightner]

Sure.

[Darren O'Neill]

And then it's also going to be in the world now, which is the AI brain.

[Larry Blightner]

That's exactly right. It's going to pop up on Chat GPT. You know that. Of course.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes, it has to eventually at some point or not.

[Larry Blightner]

And as you pointed out last time, this is why they absolute flood everything with their crap knowing if the seepage is going to be fast and thick into AI.

[Darren O'Neill]

So it's just the way it's going to be. Yeah, there's no, there's no question about it.

[Larry Blightner]

No, no.

[Darren O'Neill]

So now does the, the next clip go with that one or is that we.

[Larry Blightner]

That would be. This is, this is a different one. If you, you're talking about the Jason our day clip.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, let's hop into that one. That we can do. That's cool. Three by three in honor of jcd.

[Larry Blightner]

All right. Okay. This is, this is, this is an interesting story before, before I get to Jason. This is basically Britain, Great Britain's answer to George Santos. Remember the Santos guy?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. New York. The liar. The compulsive liar that got elected precisely as a Republican.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes.

[Darren O'Neill]

Very bad glasses.

[Larry Blightner]

Very bad glasses. And so the guy had this litany of lies that were mind blowing. Like he claimed he graduated from Baruch College and got an MBA from New York University. Both said never heard of him. He said he worked at Goldman Sachs and Citicorp. They said never heard of him. He said he and his family's owned 13 rental properties. Never happened. He said he was a volleyball star at Baruch. But of course, how could that happen?

[Darren O'Neill]

Nobody ever fact checks.

[Larry Blightner]

Right. I guess they finally did. And then he, he established an animal charity that brought in a lot of, a lot of, A lot of. Lot of yen for the, our four legged friends. Right. But finally they caught up with him and interestingly enough when they said what, what the hell are you doing? And his, his answer was most people lie on their resumes. He's not wrong. He's not wrong. So at the same time that, you know, this went on two or three years ago with, with this guy with a God. Come on, brain work with Santos. Santos. So then this guy Arde was just hit the, hit the, the papers or the websites, I should say. And he obviously was thinking, hold my beer when that went on. So this clip is one of his academic sycophants introducing him. Okay, this is when I heard this woman speaking. I'm thinking when she's going to drop the name at the end of her rap, it's got to be Jesus. I mean really listen to what she has to say.

[Darren O'Neill]

I'm Rajni Naidu.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Vice President for Community and Inclusion, a UNESCO Chair and Co Director of the International center for Higher Education at the University of Bath. So it's a great, great, great pleasure to welcome Professor Jason Arday. Jason is professor of Sociology of Education

[Larry Blightner]

at the University of Glasgow.

[Adam Curry]

Previously he was Associate professor in Sociology at Durham University, Deputy Executive Dean for People and Culture. He is a visiting and honorary professor at many, many universities including Ohio State in the us, Durham in the UK and Nelson Mandela University in South Africa. Jason also holds numerous trusteeships including at the Runnymede Trust, which is the UK's leading race equality think tank. Jason is also a fellow of the rsa.

[Darren O'Neill]

Oh my God. She keeps going on and on and on.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, it's, it's beyond belief. Yeah, yeah. Is that all she had to say? Is there something else?

[Darren O'Neill]

There's another 20 seconds, but I just,

[Larry Blightner]

you know, we've heard enough.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is one hell of an introduction. I mean it's beyond.

[Larry Blightner]

Then she says he's like, and it's a spectacular scholar, blah, blah, blah. Right. So anyway, so he just.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, I'm just thinking, Larry, we can change our intro to this show to be like an hour long and then the thing less work.

[Larry Blightner]

I like that. That's a hell of an idea.

[Darren O'Neill]

We need long intros.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, yeah. So anyway, Jason, he actually, like I said, he, he made Santos look like an amateur. Here's, here's a, just a quick rundown of, of the lies he told. First he said that he was a star, a star of a famous British documentary called 7 Up. But the only problem is that he was born 21 years after the documentary was, was filmed. Then he claimed he was autistic and non verbal until the age of 11. Other witnesses disproved that. You'll like this one. Did you know he ran 30 marathons in just 35 days?

[Darren O'Neill]

Wow.

[Larry Blightner]

I guess. And I think maybe he was thinking like that's a little tough to you Know, other people are in those marathons. You know, there could be like a registry or something for them. So then he followed up with, I also ran 600 miles in six days on a treadmill, because treadmills don't talk and they don't keep records. Right. Says he raised millions of pounds for various charities, overcame a brain tumor while completing his PhD. Then they found out that there were hundreds of passages in his dissertation that were plagiarized. Right. So he didn't dispute being a plagiarist. But what he did say, he defended himself by saying that he had not received adequate supervision during his PhD given his autism and learning disabilities.

[Darren O'Neill]

Wow.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. And it just goes on and on and so. But the funny thing is, just like Santos, when they kind of, you know, held his feet to the fire, he said, well, to be honest with you, I. I thought you'd just believe me.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[Larry Blightner]

But here's. We've seen it happen. Here's the big ironic kick in the ass to Simon and Schuster, which is about to publish his book very soon. August 11th, it drops in the USA. You can't believe this title, Great and Unfortunate Things. You can't make this up.

[Darren O'Neill]

So this is the new world we're living in where information misinformation is more prevalent.

[Larry Blightner]

But this guy is like barely 40. Okay. He's an Internet child he was raised in. How. How can he be that stupid? I mean, you can't do anything today without it being documented by someone in some way somewhere. Right.

[Darren O'Neill]

Unless you're planting the backstory. Now, this was when people started pulling scams on the Internet. They would create a website with fake bios and fake information. So when people went to look it up, they'd find them and be like, oh, it must be true.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

This has just been multiplied now by, I don't know, a million more. This guy's. He running for office like Santos or.

[Larry Blightner]

No, no, he's. I think he's running for cover.

[Darren O'Neill]

He's just, Just trying to sell books. He's a. I guess, I mean, I guess if you're going to pad your, your resume, sometimes you need more than just a blurb from JCD on the book. You need a lot of blurbs that really are come from nobody.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

And now it's time for three by

[Adam Curry]

three experiment by jcd comparing stories from

[Larry Blightner]

abc, CBS and NBC. The never ending three by three.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, John C. Dvorak created it, but I think we can use it every now and then because it's a valuable way to look at what the media is saying about certain topics in this case, Larry. It is the Trump Ballroom. And we'll start with the Trump friendly. FOX News. Hi, Shannon. A lot of updates on this story. Two of the panel's three judges ruled today that President Trump does not have

[Adam Curry]

the unilateral authority to knock down the

[Darren O'Neill]

East Wing almost a year ago to build a new 90,000 square foot ballroom

[Adam Curry]

which includes an underground military bunker.

[Darren O'Neill]

The majority of the judges wrote, we are aware of no instance in American history in which a president unilaterally and using privately collected funds demolished substantial portions of the White House that Congress authorized to be built and American taxpayers paid for. Until now. The president says he will appeal to the Supreme Court, adding, the military and Secret Service are viewing this horrendous, politically motivated and unlawful ruling as a national security threat to our nation in that

[Adam Curry]

the entire complex is being built for

[Darren O'Neill]

the protection of our country. Now, Shannon, the ballroom is just one of several ways the president is trying to leave a lasting mark on the Nation's Capitol. The 250 foot arch he's proposing between the Lincoln Memorial and Arlington National Cemetery has yet to take shape. But a recent National Park Service assessment points out the structure would change the views of dozens of historic sites like the ballroom. There's a lawsuit aimed at blocking the architecture. President Trump is also having a new helipad built for Marine One to land on the South Lawn. And there are reports he's already changed his mind a few times on that. Shannon. After construction has already gotten underway. No. When Donald Trump would never change his mind about anything. Whatever. No, it would look better there.

[Larry Blightner]

God.

[Darren O'Neill]

But they are pointing out one thing that's starting to come out with this story, which is there seems to be a much different take legally based upon if what's being built is above ground or underground. The courts are seemingly pointing now like he can do whatever he wants underground because it's security, blah, blah, blah.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, okay.

[Darren O'Neill]

The above ground is where the real problem comes into. Some people don't want the ballroom. And the the report here is correct. There is no other point in history where this kind of massive change was enacted by the president without having some congressional approval. But the difference is, and this is where the courts are going to come in, because I'm not a lawyer like Rob the constitutional lawyer. I have no idea if it was because Trump needed the funding from Congress to build it. And since he got the funding privately, he has the ability or if he still needs somebody else's approval even if he's got the money but this, of course, same story. This is the very Trump unfriendly. ABC President Trump's White House ballroom project is hitting its biggest roadblock yet. Appeals court today issuing a new ruling blocking further construction of the that $400 million ballroom saying only Congress has the authority to approve changes to the historic structure. Our Stephen Portnoy has been tracking this for us. And Stephen, I want to start with this. What is the essence of the judge's ruling here? What is the essence? Yeah, it's kind of like what do you make of it, isn't it?

[Larry Blightner]

It's very similar, yeah. Wasn't the original price of that 200 million, Darren, did they double that?

[Darren O'Neill]

It keeps going up just like he keeps moving the hell up at I can see. But it's, I don't know how much money he's got. He's like, hey, people keep giving me money so I'm gonna build a bigger pool. I don't know, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Basically this 2 to 1 ruling from the D.C. circuit Appeals Court was that the White House does not belong to the President, that he is not the owner of the Executive Mansion, that he's merely a tenant. And in this two to one ruling, the Obama and Biden appointed judges who ruled against the President said that quote, whether or not a massive ballroom should be constructed is for Congress to decide and is not a matter for executive self help. And so the bottom line is the judges are saying that but for security or safety related things, the injunction that was imposed earlier this year by a lower court has to go into effect now. The ruling itself is paused for two weeks and that's to allow for the President, if he decides to do it, to appeal, which he said today he's going to do.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, and Stephen, where does that leave this construction project?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's important to point out a couple of things. One, as I mentioned, the appeals court itself put in place a two week stay, a pause to allow for the President to appeal, which he says on social media today this unjust decision must be overturned by the Supreme Court in its entirety. The President says he's going to immediately appeal it to the Supreme Court. There's another step he could take if he wanted to, and that's called en banc review, which would have all the judges of the D.C.

[Larry Blightner]

what say, spell that for me please.

[Darren O'Neill]

En banc. I think it would just be N with a bonk, which is probably B O N, K really they think, I mean, and bonk. If that's not a show title, I don't know what is.

[Larry Blightner]

That's it.

[Darren O'Neill]

And bonk and bonk. I guess all the judges get together, but, you know, they're not going to be friendly towards him either. So it's very interesting to see how this stuff plays out. And Trump with his social media stuff, I think a lot of people even that back the President would like him to tone things down a little. If you're going to the Supreme Court, you don't have to say like, hey, the obviously unjust. It's like just say, I believe this was an unjust. The obviously. And then if they rule against you, then that's where people are like, ah, he doesn't even know what he's. He's got dementia.

[Larry Blightner]

Of course I have a solution for him, though, Taryn, to fix all of

[Darren O'Neill]

the problems, all of.

[Larry Blightner]

Well, of all his ballroom problems. Become a dictator to do is bring in the designers, the guys, the brains behind those very successful toys, Transformers.

[Darren O'Neill]

Right.

[Larry Blightner]

You know those things.

[Darren O'Neill]

Right.

[Larry Blightner]

So you. So make it a Transformer ballroom. You push a button and all of a sudden it turns into a heavily armed bunker. Now, now it's your problem.

[Darren O'Neill]

It's like they need. Yeah, they need more. I mean, especially at this point when you have state actors from Iran and others, I'm sure, that have hits out on the President. I mean, there's never been a more dubious time for, I guess is the right dangerous time for somebody in his position. And I understand why they want a place where they can do things like a ballroom there. Makes sense being the fact that, you know, Trump often goes in D.C. to things like the. The media dinner that he had to have rescheduled because of the assassination attempt.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. At that hotel. Absolutely. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Because the security obviously was a little bit subpar. So, I mean, this would be nice to have that in house. And this is all. I mean, I know this is a surprise to everybody listening right now. That's a producer of no agenda. This is just political. It really isn't anything else. Of course, because a ballroom is going to be there. If a Democrat wins, you'll be pissed.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, wow.

[Darren O'Neill]

We've got this nice ballroom to go and use. Yeah.

[Larry Blightner]

But you know, commies don't like dancing.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, Bernie did. I thought he went to Russia on his honeymoon so he could.

[Larry Blightner]

But Bernie could dance. I want to see that.

[Darren O'Neill]

Probably 70, 80, 90 years ago, however, when did Bernie get married? Long time. Long time.

[Larry Blightner]

Long, long time.

[Adam Curry]

Appeal it to the Supreme Court. There's another step he could take if he wanted to, and that's called en banc. Review, which would have all the Judges of the D.C. circuit looking at it. But the presidency is going to go right to the Supreme Court. And he also pointed to what his own appointee, Naomi Rao, said in her dissenting opinion today, which is that the National Trust for Historic Preservation, which brought this lawsuit, doesn't have standing to sue. That was an argument that the administration has been making throughout this litigation, but was rejected by the majority, which said that the Congress has to vote to authorize this project, which the President has not really directly asked lawmakers to do.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, which is a very good point as well. I hate to agree with abc, but there's been a lot of things under this second Trump term that the easy answer seems to have been go and get it passed in Congress. You control the House, you control the Senate.

[Larry Blightner]

Right.

[Darren O'Neill]

Why not just go that route that nobody can complain?

[Adam Curry]

Well, and Stephen, I'm also curious.

[Darren O'Neill]

I mean, what does this mean for the President's bunker that was supposed to go under that ballroom?

[Adam Curry]

This really gets at the security and safety exception. And you know, Judge Richard Leon of the District Court, who looked at this earlier this year, said the President is making an argument that this ballroom is necessary for national security. The President demolished the east wing of the White House that historically had a bunker underneath it that dated back to World War II, FDR's time. Well, now the argument is that bunker needs to be replaced. And so the judge earlier this year said, all right, we will allow you to continue building those parts of this project that are necessary to the security and safety of the President. The appeals court judges today affirmed that one of the things that Naomi Rao, the dissenting judge, said in her opinion is the idea that now the district court judge, Judge Richard Leon, is going to be required to review various parts of the plan and discern for himself what is or is not security related, which essentially would have the court micromanaging those decisions. That's what Naomi Ra believes. And the administration, I think, believes it's going to have a strong argument in that respect going to the Supreme Court on it.

[Darren O'Neill]

So it seems if you really finally go through all of these reports and there's still one from cbs, you're going to understand that, that the Trump people are just going to say, and they pointed out in the ABC report, the bunker is World War II or previous. Yeah, I'm guessing it needed some upgrading, I would think.

[Larry Blightner]

But for this reason also, it's a proven fact that several members of FDR's cabinet were Soviet spies. Who knows what kind of crap they Packed into the floorboards there.

[Darren O'Neill]

True. I would hope they have swept forward since then, but you never would hope. You never know what was built in. Yeah, you know, that is part of the issue. I mean, that everybody went nuts when Donald Trump wanted to bring that new jumbo jet Air Force One home. No, no, we got, we gotta look at it first. We gotta, we gotta sweep it.

[Larry Blightner]

I wonder how like, perfect those sweeping systems are. They ever miss stuff? You know, they have, they have to, right? Nothing's. Nothing's perfect.

[Darren O'Neill]

As technology gets better, as everything is wired for the Internet, it becomes much easier because you used to look for radio waves. You know, if somebody was bugging your office, well, that audio had to get out somehow, unless there was just a recorder locally. And that's probably going to get found because recorders aren't at that point anyway. We're not super small. But now you know how small cameras and microphones are and connecting them into the Internet to go out of wherever, whatever building you're in. Not that hard to do.

[Larry Blightner]

No. Even I could do it.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. Which is, why would people go into like Airbnbs now? You gotta sweep, you gotta low.

[Larry Blightner]

Because, oh, you know what? A couple of years ago, I was supposed to connect with some friends somewhere. I forget where the hell it was. And so for my first time, my wife always does the travel stuff, but I wouldn't gonna, wasn't gonna burden her with my stuff. And I started looking for airbnbs. I was astonished at how many people in reviews said, I'll never stay in this dump again. It was loaded with cameras. And not on the outside, on the inside. I thought, whoa, really? That's awful.

[Darren O'Neill]

And in most jurisdictions, that's legal. If they're not doing audio, it's just, they're just security cameras, Larry.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, that's right. For your safety.

[Darren O'Neill]

They're all in the bathroom in the changing rooms. That's for no apparent reason. But here is cbs, which, surprisingly enough, was fairly straightforward with the story.

[Larry Blightner]

Really?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Let's talk about the job site, the ballroom situation here behind us. The President says he will appeal this three judge appeals court decision to the

[Darren O'Neill]

Supreme Court, arguing that there's a national

[Adam Curry]

security imperative now to finish it. But what he forgot to mention is that the court order today said that the national security work underground can in fact continue. It's everything from ground up that they're worried about, at least in the, in the case of these three judges with the appeals court, because they say, as the district court had previously. The President didn't have the authority to do this on his own. Congress has full oversight of federal property and how money is spent on it. This is in essence, remember, a national park and Congress oversees the National Park Service.

[Darren O'Neill]

So President not happy about that.

[Adam Curry]

Reiterating that it is not just a 90,000 square foot ballroom, but there's going to be all these other national security, military, medical facilities underneath. It needs to be finished and anyone who suggests otherwise is un American.

[Darren O'Neill]

So I don't know, is this the new regime under cbs?

[Larry Blightner]

It's got to be. The Ellison influence has to be.

[Darren O'Neill]

They actually get something that was just news. This is how news reports. That reminded me of growing up where it was just the news, not how you should think, not oh no, Trump good or Trump bad? When we heard a lot of Trump good in the Fox, we heard a lot of Trump bad in the abc. This is why JCD invented it. And now it's time for three by

[Adam Curry]

three experiment by JCD comparing stories from

[Larry Blightner]

abc, cbsn, NBC, the never ending Seabast,

[Darren O'Neill]

which really is the heart of the media deconstruction is to be like, hey, here's a story. Here's how it's being told three different ways. And why do you think that is? If you, once you start thinking critically, kids, you're much better off.

[Larry Blightner]

When did John first record that jingle?

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, he doesn't record the jingle, but this is somebody. This thing has been around for as long as I can remember. Although it could be the Mandela effect.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. Because it's really. It should be the 4x4.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, of course, well, and that's what I was like, okay. There was a choice for me to do CBS or CNN and I'm like, well, is he. This is the three main. And of course there's PBS now. And then you've got the, the cable news, which are on a different level. Just from the fact that cable news doesn't have to pay the United States to use the airwaves where abc, cbs, NBC does. But I'm not saying you can't do a three by three with the, with the others.

[Larry Blightner]

I mean it still works. But I would think the four by four being the fourth would be Fox. No, that's the other really. The network, I guess.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. Well, Fox News and Fox, the regular are usually within shooting distance of each other. So they're still, they're broadcast. And you've got Fox, the network, which is over the broadcast. Then you have Fox News which is solely over cable. And then of course a lot of people don't know News Nation is owned by the people that run the cw, which is wgn. And that's split a bunch of ways as well. But for regular news, I mean there's at least interesting. I mean, you've got the Cuomo guy there, but you've got.

[Larry Blightner]

Is he still doing it?

[Darren O'Neill]

Really? Yeah.

[Larry Blightner]

Is that right?

[Darren O'Neill]

Leland Vitter. And they have a decent lineup which they're trying to bring people from both sides on. Which is usually the most fun you can have in news is having an actual argument between two different people with different opinions which now you don't see. They, nothing annoys me more than turning on something like CNN and having four people in the little, you know, the, usually a host and then four people in the little boxes and they're all saying the same thing. It's like, could you get one person that disagreed?

[Larry Blightner]

I agree.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, it's not fun. Nobody wants to hear agreement all the time.

[Larry Blightner]

No, it's not fun and it's not pleasant. You know, that's why I, I rarely watch any of them. But I do enjoy the Fox thing because it seems like it's always hot looking women with great legs and high heels, you know, sitting in chairs where they have to cross their legs like. Yeah, you know, CNN is like. No, it's depressing really. It's like, it's like some academic crap, you know.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, Fox figured out that one a long time ago. If you're going to have anybody doing news, attractive women will bring the demographic that we want in.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. And I think Brooke Baldwin is at the front of that class and she. Was it a book. She came out with an article. She was, she recently I read something she had said about how, how much he loves sex and different kinds. And I said, wow, you know, welcome to FOX News. Exactly. Thank you, Brooke.

[Darren O'Neill]

Now you've got a clip here on Sunday at church. I mean, is this.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, I thought because it's a Sunday show, you know, and I kind of stumbled on this one and you know, insanity crosses every boundary and every, every vocation, every profession, you know, and you get them. You never know where you'll, you'll encounter them. And I, I, what made me think of this is years ago, before my wife and I were married, we both had apartments in the west side of New York and we went to this church, I forget the name of it and God damn, Darren. It was, it was pre, you know, smartphone days. I think we were like still on pagers back then, unfortunately, because we went to this mass, like a regular Sunday mass, walk in and you know, Pretty good sized crowd, and there's several hundred people. And this priest who is like, you know, very gay, started his sermon, and the sermon was Jesus is my Lover. And over the course of his homily, which probably ran, I don't know, seven or ten minutes or something like that, he kind of. He never got graphic, but he described sort of the things he wanted to do with the king of kings.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is a Catholic church.

[Larry Blightner]

This was a Catholic. This was a Roman Catholic church. And I. I'm thinking, oh, my. And I. Oh, yeah. And I remember back in my apartment, I had a VHS camera, and I thought, could I possibly sprint back there fast enough to grab that cinder block, lug it back here and get some of this? Because it was absolute gold. And I remember looking around with my wife, then my. Just my girlfriend. The jaws on people's. Their jaws were on their chest. I mean, it was like. It was like a comedy bit. It was beyond belief.

[Darren O'Neill]

So anyway, was this guy not vetted? I mean, you came up with the term the corporate God providers. Did they?

[Larry Blightner]

Corporate God providers? Yeah. I don't know. I never went back to that church. It was a really bizarre experience, you know, and then I. I stumbled on this. This. This is a guy from. From somewhere in Oklahoma. His name, like Pat Preacher Smidridge or something, I don't know. And listen to what this cat's doing, the way he sparring, speaking. Know that. I just wanted to give you the visual setup. He starts at the. At the podium, you know, up on the altar. And it's. It's like. I think it's a Baptist or it's. It's not a Catholic church. And he's obviously pretty ticked off at the start of it. And he very quickly steps down into the audience and gets right in people's faces as he says. So it's not like, I want you to know, he's not like, talking about people in the ether. They're there.

[Darren O'Neill]

They're close. They're right there.

[Larry Blightner]

Close.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Larry Blightner]

Son, don't go to sleep while I'm talking.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Darren O'Neill]

Don't, don't, don't you lay your head back. I'm. I'm important.

[Larry Blightner]

I'm somebody now. You might do your English teacher that way, but I'm not teaching English.

[Darren O'Neill]

I'm teaching eternal life here.

[Larry Blightner]

I love you. You know I love you. Have I convinced you I love you? Yeah, you better.

[Darren O'Neill]

You better nod your head yes. All right.

[Larry Blightner]

Come on. Put it right there. All right, you stay awake and you listen to me. You say well, he may never come back. Well, he ain't here now. And where have you been? Mr. Underwood and I noticed on the

[Darren O'Neill]

calendar I'm supposed to marry y'.

[Adam Curry]

All.

[Darren O'Neill]

What makes you think I'd marry you? You're one of the sorriest church members I have. Wow. You're not worth 15 cents. And you want me to marry you to her. And you want to marry him. And he don't even know where he belongs. And you don't even know where you belong.

[Larry Blightner]

Now, let me.

[Darren O'Neill]

Me tell y', all, everybody here, how

[Larry Blightner]

much I love these kids. Do you know I love you, sir? Stand up, big boy. Big boy. Do you know I love you? Okay. Yeah. He gives him a bear hug.

[Darren O'Neill]

Wow. This is a whole different kind of church.

[Larry Blightner]

Isn't that crazy? You're not worth 15 cents. Come here. Let me. Let me show you how much I love you. Wow.

[Darren O'Neill]

I mean, at least I'll give this guy. He seems like he is worthy of at least holding your attention while speaking. Because I've had a. You know, in churches where that you're the. Everything is just so boring that, you know, you're trying not to fall asleep. But, yes, yes, sometimes that's just impossible. Sometimes nature takes over and there's absolutely nothing you can do.

[Larry Blightner]

Exactly. So you just sit back and enjoy the ride. I gotta tell you, the guy. When the guy. He made the guy stand up so we could hug him. And I'm thinking, how's this gonna end? I thought maybe. Maybe there might be a right cross to his jaw. Something, you know?

[Darren O'Neill]

But I can see that. Yeah, sure.

[Larry Blightner]

Of course you could. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

You're living in a slightly different world right now. And, yeah, as you said, people can snap at any given minute. You never know what you're gonna deal with. No, that is the insanity of all of this.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

So how. Okay, so we. I gotta get to the Mike. Rogue clip. Because I like this guy.

[Larry Blightner]

He's. He is good. He is good. This is. You know, he's. He's kind of. Of. He's kind of spells out, you know, in his opinion. It's a very valid opinion. What he thinks is wrong with. With Gen Z and millennial people. But there's. There's. There's an answer. There's a. There's another side to his argument, which I'll give after the clip.

[Darren O'Neill]

The question doesn't start with, what are they doing? It starts with, what. What aren't they doing? They're not volunteering at their local church. They're not in the kiwanis. Club. They're not checking out the Rotarians or the Lions Club. They're not in the Boy Scouts or Skills usa. They're not contributing anything in their community. What are they doing? On average they're spending between 2000 and 2100 hours a year on their screen. It is just, we just haven't seen the like of it before. How were they able to, to survive? That's. I don't, I can't paint with too broad a brush. Maybe some of them are trust fund kids. Maybe some of them have enough.

[Larry Blightner]

A lot of it is, is money from other generations.

[Darren O'Neill]

Sure.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I, they just hate our generation.

[Larry Blightner]

Except when we give them money, that's always okay. Yeah, it's always okay when you get daddy's money. Then the boomers aren't so bad, Right? Yeah. So he's not wrong. I mean if you think about it, that's you know, roughly around 35 hours a week, which is really, that's kind of a full paid, a full time job with no paycheck, right?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, it's beyond belief. So then there was this story that I tripped over that is kind of the other side of that. And maybe next time we'll ask Adam. Didn't Adam, for a while, didn't he put his smartphone aside? He was using like a flip phone

[Darren O'Neill]

or a. Yeah, I think he still uses that as the main phone. And I saw an article in one of the, the tech publications. I don't remember if it was Wired or the Verge, one of those. There's like four different companies now that are making dumbed down phones and like two or three were flip.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, well, there's what the story says. There's a woman, you know, they interviewed this woman named Kendall something and she remembers a moment, she swapped her smartphone for a flip phone. She said, quote, for me, the second that my iPhone was gone, it was just like heaven on earth. She's a 23 year old Washington, Washington D.C. resident. This is with CBS News and it says she's among a growing number of young people. Okay, I don't like my smartphone. I was thinking of doing what Adam did. Young people are ditching their smartphones in favor of stripped down dumb phones in an effort to unplug from social media, et cetera, et cetera. Some feel nostalgic for an era they never knew before the advent of mobile devices. So then what Mike said is buttress by the American Psychological association which showed that the US teens spending nearly five hours a day on social media. And yeah, you're right. She, this chick got her flip phone from Dumb Co, if you heard of that one.

[Darren O'Neill]

No, but that's a great name.

[Larry Blightner]

Isn't that good? Dumb Co, a startup that sells devices loaded with practical tools like Uber Maps and Spotify, but no social media. And this Dumb, Dumb Co, it's got more than than 5,000 active users and it's. Now this is the, you know, this, this deserves fanfare. Its typical Customer is a 24 year old woman. How about that?

[Darren O'Neill]

They really want to be forced to be off social media because you know, you don't have to install the app.

[Larry Blightner]

That's true. That's very true.

[Darren O'Neill]

But I guess it's easier when people like, you know, because then you would have your friends pressuring you like, why aren't you on here? I don't know my phone, I do. It won't, it doesn't work because you can just, you can take it off on your own. And these, some of these phones will allow you to have the messaging apps. So if you want to use something like Signal or Telegram, they'll allow that. But then they don't allow. Although you could probably hack it. I mean all these things are hackable, but they'll allegedly don't allow Facebook and Instagram and all of the social media because the social media is where people start going down those rabbit holes that are not beneficial. And it's. No, I mean, again, I know we're the old guys, we're the boomers. When we were kids, we used to hop on our bike and go to a friend's house without even calling first.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Knock on the door, be like, hey, is Jimmy home?

[Larry Blightner]

That's right.

[Darren O'Neill]

And if not, you'd go further down the street and be like, hey, is Jack home? You know, I mean this is.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Looking for something to do or you went to the park or wherever people hung out.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

The fact that kids just sit at home in their air conditioned house and play on their smartphone without talking to another human being while possibly being, you know, groomed by somebody in another country. It's, this is very strange world. But with that said, I think it's very scary what's going on with what some of these states are doing. There's a new Meta thing that came out. Not a new thing, a new judgment against meta. Oh, how much money this time? Another $567 million.

[Larry Blightner]

That's a, that's a pretty big number

[Darren O'Neill]

though. I mean that's like a day.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, you're right. What am I saying?

[Darren O'Neill]

But in honor of jcd. It's an NTD clip. I'm like, I've never pulled an NTD clip before. I never even run across one. So I figured once I saw this, it was a sign. New legal pressures mounting on Meta over

[Adam Curry]

the impact of social media on children.

[Darren O'Neill]

A New Mexico judge ordering the company to pay $567 million in overhaul safety

[Adam Curry]

features on Facebook and Instagram for young

[Darren O'Neill]

users in the state. The judge ruled Meta's platforms contributed to

[Adam Curry]

harms to children's mental health and failed

[Darren O'Neill]

to adequately protect minors from sexual activity exploitation. The order includes limits on teens use of Facebook and Instagram, tighter controls on

[Adam Curry]

contact between adults and minors, and new safeguards for AI chat bots.

[Darren O'Neill]

New Mexico ruling comes on top of the $375 million in civil penalties a

[Adam Curry]

jury ordered against Metta earlier this year,

[Darren O'Neill]

bringing the total amount the company is responsible for in the case to $942 million, a small fraction fraction of its annual profit, which was about $60 billion in 2025. Meta says it plans to appeal, maintaining its confident in its record of protecting teens online and has been working on identifying and removing harmful content from its platforms. Now the case is being closely watched

[Larry Blightner]

as states and school districts across the

[Darren O'Neill]

country pursue similar lawsuits against social media companies. Yes, one, somebody needs to nationalize so the individual states can't. This is never going to bring anything good. And they're ignoring the fact that the Internet is inherently dangerous. It's like a car.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Darren O'Neill]

If you're going to put your child behind the wheel of a car, there's a chance they're going to get into an accident and get injured or worse. The only way to keep your child from getting into a car accident with them driving is to keep them from driving the car are until they are ready to do so. This concept that, you know, oh, we're going to have Facebook or any of these social media companies being in charge of how many hours your kid sits on the Internet. Wouldn't it be better if that was the parent doing that?

[Larry Blightner]

Sure. But aren't they doing that already in China?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes. Well, and this is the rub that a lot of the people in the United States are missing, which is, it's always, you know, it's for the safety, it's always for the children. But the end result is always, oh, for this to work, every adult that's on the Internet, well, you're going to need an ID and you're going to have to sign on and we're going to have to know everything you do, but this is the clip from the Attorney General in New Mexico, Corsi. And I'm. I'm sorry, I shouldn't say, of course, in this case, because there's some Republican attorney generals going after the exact same thing. So this shouldn't be politicized, except to say that a lot of attorney attorneys general are idiots.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

So I just wanted to give you a quick update on a major victory. Major victory.

[Larry Blightner]

Major victory we scored against social media

[Adam Curry]

and specifically in our case against Meta.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yesterday, a judge ordered that Meta pay $567 million for the public nuisance and

[Adam Curry]

the harm that they've caused to our kids.

[Darren O'Neill]

That's on the public nuisance. This is one of the ways they're going after him.

[Larry Blightner]

That.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is like you having an old Chevy that causes too much noise after 8pm driving down there. It's a public nuisance, Larry. That's where these. Meta. And it. It's infuriating, the complete lack of understanding. And, you know, and again, oh, It's. It's major. 567 million. It's like, well, what does Meta make in an hour?

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, 60 billion a year. That's not major to them.

[Darren O'Neill]

No, no, it's a. It's a rounding error if you're lucky.

[Larry Blightner]

So, you know, put on your soothsayer's cap there, Darren. Where do you see this crap? Because you've been. You've been yelling about this for years. Rightly so. Are they going to achieve their goal? Are we all going to be having to do selfies and sit there with our. With our driver's license or whatever the hell it is so we can. We can get online or.

[Darren O'Neill]

What do you think they get?

[Larry Blightner]

What's going to go.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, if they get what they want, it is going to be China, which is for you to log on to the Internet. You are going to have to prove who you are with an id. You're probably going to have to use your smartphone to take a photo of your driver's license with, you know, and here in the US on the back, you've got the barcode. So you're going to have to take a picture of that to prove that you are who you say you are while you're logged in. Which, then again, now, if you end up being one of those parents that's like, I don't care if my kid uses 8,000 hours. I'll just log them in as me. It's never a penalty for the parents. It's always going after money from the Social media. So this is not about protecting your children. This is only about taking more money from the social media. Here in Illinois, the corrupt politicians, J.B. pritzker and Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago, they put laws into place that said, well, for every person using your social media, over 100,000, the city owes you a 50 cent. Or the state, you know, you owe us a 50 cent tax. So the state of Illinois is like, well, you know, if we got 20 million people on X, well, then you owe us 10 million a month in a tax. For us to allow your social media to be. It's always about the money. This is just a different way of going at the money because they're going to make rules and regulations that parents should be in charge of that the penalty is only these social media companies pay more. But this guy goes on here. That's on top of the $375 million judgment we got earlier in the year.

[Adam Curry]

Year.

[Darren O'Neill]

That's almost a billion dollars just to

[Adam Curry]

the state of New Mexico.

[Darren O'Neill]

To put that in context, if the rest of the country got the kind of judgment that we got Yesterday, it'd

[Adam Curry]

be $150 billion to Meta.

[Darren O'Neill]

Can you just hear. It's like a wet dream to this guy. If only.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. Every other state, New Mexico, I would characterize that. It's the. It's the Massachusetts of the Southwest, and it wasn't always that way. Used to be a banging state. It still has the most beautiful, you know, sunsets, geography, mountains.

[Adam Curry]

It's.

[Larry Blightner]

It's absolutely gorgeous. But it's been overrun by commie creeps and it's. It's become kind of a depressing place. Outside of, you know, the natural topography. It's. It's sad.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. To sit there and be like, oh, social media is too popular. Let's see if we can monetize it.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, of course.

[Darren O'Neill]

Where the real answer is keep the children off of devices until they're of age, whatever that is.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Oh, won't somebody please think of the children. More importantly, however, now they are ordered

[Adam Curry]

to change how they do business in our state.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is a fight that's worth having. This is something that I am passionate about. And we're not done yet. We have a lot more left to do, specifically updating our laws, our consumer

[Adam Curry]

protection laws, and our social media laws

[Darren O'Neill]

here in New Mexico to make it

[Adam Curry]

absolutely clear that you can't endanger our

[Darren O'Neill]

kids, you can't allow exploitation, and you've got to do a whole lot more

[Adam Curry]

to protect families and people, especially the

[Darren O'Neill]

most vulnerable members of our community. This is an important victory for us. First in the nation, first in the world. We got a lot more left to

[Adam Curry]

do, so stay tuned.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, the amount of rah rah is kind of disturbing.

[Larry Blightner]

And that phrase, more work to do, that's always a commie phrase.

[Darren O'Neill]

Have you noticed that in the most vulnerable, it's always. It's always. It's. It's the people that are having the biggest. No, because, you know, rich white kids, they're not having their children exploited on the Internet. No, it's always the. The most vulnerable.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

I don't buy it. Don't buy it for a minute. And parenting just has to be parenting. And these device. I mean, the concept is insane because anybody with logic can sit in a room. Even people that are not dudes name Ben. People who don't have any concept of how any of these systems work. You would understand that. Well, if a bunch of people are communicating online, you're not going to be able to separate them into different categories. Because if you're like, well, no, only people that are. That are signed up as children under the age of 16 can talk in this group. Because yeah, no adult is going to figure out how to sign up as.

[Larry Blightner]

No.

[Darren O'Neill]

Especially when kids in the United States, you don't have an ID until you're getting your driver's license. Maybe I guess you have a Social Security card, but.

[Larry Blightner]

Well, not in California. If you want to get medical attention, you have an ID at 12 and your parents can't look at it.

[Darren O'Neill]

Dude. And I have gotten multiple boots on the ground from your clip. Which I was like, this can't even be real in California.

[Larry Blightner]

It's real.

[Darren O'Neill]

It is more than real. It's happening in Illinois as well. Because California and Illinois are kind of of like mirrors when it comes to the law.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

And parents saying, I cannot get my child's medical records without their approval at 12 years old. And you walk into the doctor's office and they don't go, well, do you, you know, do you want your parent to be here with you? It's like, no, the doctor, you don't get that choice. Like, sorry, but this is the world we live in.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is.

[Larry Blightner]

This is the commie world that we live in. This is commie canon. And it goes back along. I mean, it goes back a long, long way. And if you think about it, Hillary wrote a very successful book called It Takes a Village.

[Darren O'Neill]

Right.

[Larry Blightner]

You know, and that's exactly what it is. It's like, hey, mom, and dad, you don't matter. It's. The village is going to raise your kid. You really well, try calling the village when your kid's projectile vomiting at 3 clock o', they don't pick up. No, you know, it's complete crap. It's the state ruling everything. And Gavin, you know, Gavin Newsom and all those dirt bags in California, man, they need to be put in a rocket and then, you know, fired into the sun really, because they're, they're just raw, evil, evil people really.

[Darren O'Neill]

But I mean, I know we go back to it a lot, but this is literally what these socialist and communist regimes did. They go after the children.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh always.

[Darren O'Neill]

They indoctrinate the children. And this is because then your children start coming home like, oh yes, mom and dad, you're problematic, your way of thinking. So I told, I told Governor Newsome what you were thinking of doing. Homeschooling me. Haha. They're taking me away. You're gonna put me in a nice camp somewhere. This is why you need people to stand up and make their voices heard. One guy that did that, our buddy Scott Lobato. Anybody that's been listening to Planet Rage has heard Scott's voice more than once. And I, I know, I wish we had Bingit IO like we do for this show for Planet Rage because you could do a search for anything that Adam and John have talked about over the years. But I know you and I on a few occasions while watching one of Scott's videos said this guy's close to a heart attack, man, if he doesn't.

[Larry Blightner]

We did that several times. You are correct.

[Darren O'Neill]

And then he had one. Because I mean, I mean when we were doing Planet Rage, which is kind of like no agenda with more swearing and playing up the anger bit, I mean we're still mad about this stuff, but it's playing it up for the entertainment value. I mean overall, I think when you and I stop doing the show, when the, you know, that's the end of that period of the day. We go off and have fun and always we listen to music and we enjoy what we're doing. Scott, I think, has been pissed off for a long time.

[Larry Blightner]

You know, I, I came, I had a, like a kind of an epiphany as I was just before I sent you this clip about Scott and he, I mean he's the interesting thing about him, he's definitely a right winger. His head's in the right place. I, I love his salty language.

[Darren O'Neill]

He reminds me more of Sinatra speaking wise than anybody. I'VE ever heard.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes, yes, absolutely. And Scott, unlike most right wingers, certainly myself included, I think I'm kind of typical because for the most part, actually, I never voted until I had kids. That's the only time I started caring. But I knew it was going on. But still, what do we want to do? Well, you know, it's like, life is good. I'm gonna go see Billy Idol, and then, you know, maybe I'll go to the beach and gonna play with Moose for a while. It's. Politics is not the focal point of my. Of my existence. But for most lefties, like Bernie, like Newscomb, like aoc, it is a religion. They are ideologues. It never leaves their minds. And Scott, in that way, he kind of operates like they do because he. He never unwound, I think. You know what I mean? He seemed like he was always ready for combat, and it finally caught up with his aorta, I guess. I think he had a double bite. Whatever. Something very serious. Serious, you know.

[Darren O'Neill]

But he flatlined for two minutes.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. Ouch.

[Darren O'Neill]

You know, I do want to point out to people, Larry is not like a northern exposure out in the woods kind of guy. Moose is a very little white puppy.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes. Moose is 13 pounds of. He's more like a boulevard deer. You know, he just wants to hang around and eat escargot and drink fine wine. He's.

[Darren O'Neill]

People were imagining a much different thing. When you're like, I go out, I play with movies. Moose, this guy's real.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, no, no. The moose is a lap dog. 100. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

And he brings the ladies in. That's the only reason to get a little white dog.

[Larry Blightner]

He does. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Is there any other setup on this libido clip, or do we just.

[Larry Blightner]

No, it's. Well, what Scott is. It's got his. Like I said, he's so hardcore, Darren, that I think he had his. His cardiac episode like, four days ago, and then he. Within, I think the first or second day, he had a video of himself in his hospital bed. And he's got, you know, he's got IVs going into him and bandages, and it's very serious stuff. But he did a video saying, you know, I'm not done. I'm still in. Stay with me. You know, I'm getting out of here very soon. I mean, he's. He's a force of nature. There's no question about that. And then this. This clip really demonstrates that because the guy's arranging things from his hospital bed. He's got his own air Force. Listen to this clip.

[Darren O'Neill]

Like, he literally can't even slow down for a minute, isn't it?

[Larry Blightner]

No, no. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Scott Libedo organized a protest, America's artists, against Zorhan Mandani, and they boot him off. Scott had a confrontation, actually had a heart attack, almost died. But today we're just getting this video

[Adam Curry]

in first here on Newsmax, Scott Libedo

[Darren O'Neill]

apparently chartered a plane from his hospital. Hospital bed.

[Adam Curry]

And he's flying this banner over New

[Darren O'Neill]

York City with a direct message to Zorhan Mandani. And the guy was almost dead. So back from the grave, you see

[Adam Curry]

this flying up and down New York City. This is actually a live view right now. First on Newsmax.

[Darren O'Neill]

Mandani, stay away from ground zero. And I don't think you could be any more clear than that. Shocked a guy who just had open heart surgery.

[Adam Curry]

Took the time, but I guess he wants Mandani to know that the Boeing's

[Darren O'Neill]

not going to stop.

[Adam Curry]

And New York City's getting a clear

[Darren O'Neill]

message from Staten Islanders led by Scott Libedo.

[Larry Blightner]

Pretty cool, right?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. That's the commitment to the craft.

[Larry Blightner]

Exactly. I mean, exactly. That guy is a true believer. And wow. I. I salute him.

[Darren O'Neill]

And I saw the clip, man. Mamdani was booed off stage. I think it was mainly by a police audience. Was it in New York?

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, I guess it was. I'm sure if he had his homies there, they'd have drowned out the. The police, because he's very popular with them.

[Darren O'Neill]

And then Elizabeth Warren was booed for saying something. It's like this, which maybe people are waking up a little bit more. Maybe because she made a comment somewhere and she was sitting on a panel because she was sitting there with the little microphone and her name in front of her, and she actually said that she's been tough on, like, the border. And people just started laughing. They're like, you can't make this stuff up. It's like, I don't know if these people are delusional or what it's like, but you are not tough on the border, madam. I mean, you're welcome to your point of view if you want open borders, but this is the. Where people really start, you know, jumping into that dimension. B, maybe she wants people to think now that she's been tough on the borders and the AI. Well, she said she was tough on the borders.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

It's just literal insanity. And people always complain when they're hearing this kind of stuff. And like, like you just said, you lean right wing. It's like I lean right wing, but I will tell you that the Republicans are not perfect and there are things that are going wrong, and it doesn't affect the ability to understand the crap that you're being fed.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

And if I could find it, I would bring you all of the right wing dribble that is meeting the level of the left, but I can't. So, I mean, I will challenge any of those people. They're like, oh, no, all of these. Everybody. I'll do the right wing does the same thing. Well, send in those clips. I would love to see them. That are the equivalent of, you know, Donald Trump can't even make a complete sentence. And they cut to the video of the guy, like, doing Shakespeare here, and it's like, yeah, that's not the reason.

[Larry Blightner]

Making one of those from, from Thune and Murkowski. But yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

And I got to know what this next clip you got here is about Sunscreen in the COVID vacs. This, this is this like, literally second half of show kind of things. Or.

[Larry Blightner]

I, I don't know. I mean, it's just, I just, again, I tripped over this one. And it's, it's. Who's that Congressman. You'll recognize his voice, the guy's name. He's very articulate, smooth. But he said, hey, will you just play the clip?

[Adam Curry]

You'll hear, have I been lied to

[Larry Blightner]

as a Florida man about sunscreen protecting me from cancer?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes, it appears we've all been lied to. Unfortunately, this massive study of over 470,000 people confirms it. It's very worrisome that when they compared sunscreen users to non sunscreen users, the sunscreen users faced increased risks of all the major skin cancers. Melanoma, squamous cell carcinoma, and basal cell carcinoma. So all of these cancers were up. But the most worrisome finding was that invasive melanoma was 300% higher risk in the sunscreen users.

[Adam Curry]

They accounted for skin color, time spent

[Darren O'Neill]

outdoors, and many other things, sex, age. And they still found these increased risks of the cancer. When you use sunscreen all the time, you're blocking your body's ability to synthesize vitamin D, which is critical for cancer defense. So you do not want to shut that off. A JAMA study just came out and found all those active ingredients in the sunscreens get into your circulation. They get into your body above FDA regulatory limits. If you really have to use it, if you'll be out in the sun for, you know, six hours, mid summer day, you. You still want to use something I would use zinc based sunscreen, not Oxybenzone, none of those hormone disrupting. Wow.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. How about that?

[Adam Curry]

That was.

[Larry Blightner]

Matt Gates was interviewing this guy and you know, there was some companion verbiage to it, Darren. And it said that, you know, the incidence of melanomas just skyrocketed and it was almost unheard of back in the, you know, 1930s, 40s, whatever. And they. There's further evidence they had that a lot of it is not just linked to the dangerous gunk that might be in the stuff we spray in our faces and arms and shoulders, but it's diet related in that all the crap that we eat, the processed foods somehow reduces our resistance to it. And it said that people who were going more in the vein of. Of heavy carnivores, of properly raised beef, they people that used to get terribly sunburned will switch to a diet of beef. I don't know if this is true, but it's the report and go out and they'll get a color but they won't scald and blister and peel the way they did back when they were on the crappy diet. So they eat more steak and hamburger.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is the Texas Beef Initiative sponsored.

[Larry Blightner]

There it is.

[Darren O'Neill]

Everybody likes it. Well, not everybody, but a lot of people do. And it makes sense that your.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Diet would have an effect. I mean, vitamin D is one of the main things. When you go to the doctor and they do the blood test, like you either got enough or you don't. If you don't know, you got to supplement it.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

But the dangerous chemicals in all of this, it's like diet soda. So you read the chemical list. You're like really just drink water.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That stuff's so bad I could, I could never ever get past the aftertaste.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Larry Blightner]

It's ODAs.

[Darren O'Neill]

Never the aspartame or the what it was. The saccharine was the worst one at first. But they never taste just like. Oh no, it tastes just like regular soda. It's like. Which is horrible for you as well. But you know what, the sugar is less of a problem if. Well, back in the days when you actually had natural cane sugar in your soda rather than. And the high fructose corn syrup.

[Larry Blightner]

Right.

[Darren O'Neill]

They cut the corners and try to make more money on every product that they put out there.

[Larry Blightner]

Sure. Do they sell Mexican Coke in Chicago?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. When we used to go to Costco, would get the 18 pack or whatever it was and then you kind of just had to cut Back because it's just so good. But in the summer, there's nothing like a bottle. Glass bottle.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Of Mexican coke. Real cane sugar.

[Larry Blightner]

Real cane sugar. The taste is astonishingly different than the other crap.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes, you can tell. I mean, if you can't tell the difference, then your taste buds are dead.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes, yes.

[Darren O'Neill]

That's how it is with all the real cane sugar sodas over the counterparts that have the high fructose corn syrup. There is a different taste and your body reacts totally differently to it.

[Larry Blightner]

Do you remember this stuff that came out probably 30 years ago called Jolt?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, that was the best man.

[Larry Blightner]

And they said like right in the label, twice the caffeine, like all the bad was. Was in there. Drink this Jolt.

[Darren O'Neill]

Then that's come and gone. A few times somebody tried to revive it. Then they're back in the day when the. All the computer guys were drinking balls. B A W L S which is another like totally caffeinated drinkly. Hey, you want to stay up all night in game or code? Well, you need some balls.

[Larry Blightner]

Wow.

[Darren O'Neill]

Speaking of balls.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, I hope I. I'm praying. I know you mentioned something about WNBA and you. I'm hoping you're gonna cover this.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. This story is oddly at the front of the news and it has been for the last few days, and it continues to get stranger and bigger.

[Larry Blightner]

I think it does.

[Darren O'Neill]

It continues to get bigger. There were a couple of things going on. The first was Clay Travis from Outkick sports said, well, you know, if you really want to stand by your guns, that women and men are the same. And well, then he had an idea

[Adam Curry]

because the WNBA has right now a lot of coaches that are coming out out, including in the last day or two, saying, hey, if a man identifies as a woman, he should be able to play in the wnba. I think that is absolutely ludicrous. It's absurd. The WNBA commissioner has not spoken out in favor of Sophie Cunningham or even

[Darren O'Neill]

just in favor of basic rules.

[Adam Curry]

It's called the WNBA because it's the women's Basketball association there. Right. If they are going to allow men to play, I think we should have an actual game, not NBA players against WNBA players.

[Darren O'Neill]

High school boys. Let me pick a team, will. I will put it on pay per view.

[Adam Curry]

We'll donate all the profits to tunnel

[Darren O'Neill]

the towers for wounded warriors.

[Adam Curry]

For the families out there that they're

[Darren O'Neill]

helping to take care of first responders.

[Adam Curry]

You go, you know, Frank Siller, they do incredible work. We'll put it on pay per view. If the high school boys win I will give them $10 million. If the WNBA team wins, I will give them $10 million. I think we would raise tens of millions of dollars for charity. And I'm putting my money where my mouth is. If the WNBA really doesn't believe that men are that much better than women at basketball, then the champion of the WNBA should be able to beat a bunch of high school boys.

[Larry Blightner]

Will.

[Adam Curry]

So far they haven't responded. They always talk about how they want more money. This is more money for one basketball game than has ever been paid to

[Darren O'Neill]

win in the history of the sport. He's right. The. I think the highest payroll on a WNBA team now is $7 million for the season.

[Larry Blightner]

Wow.

[Darren O'Neill]

And he's offering. And the people coming in to the league, this made big news when Caitlin Clark came into the league two years ago was between 70 and 80,000. So we could round up and say 80,000.

[Larry Blightner]

Sure.

[Darren O'Neill]

Offering $10 million to beat a high school boys basketball team. Why wouldn't these women jump at it if they thought they had even an even chance of winning?

[Larry Blightner]

Sure.

[Darren O'Neill]

Because he also went on to say that he has heard from countless high school coaches that are like, hey, hey, hey, look at my team.

[Larry Blightner]

I'll bet. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

And this makes a very valid point that we have covered here and other places that men and women are not equal physically. That strength makes a difference. I know, but this is how, I mean, just keeping with this little part of the story, this is how this, this challenge that the guy from Outkick putting out the $10 million challenge, this is how it was covered by a anchor out of Minneapolis who is an outwardly queer woman anchor. But you can figure out what her point of view might be here.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, one last thing. Tonight, the entire world of women's sports is facing the debate within its own

[Darren O'Neill]

leagues of who should get to play

[Adam Curry]

and who should be.

[Darren O'Neill]

And a voice that often shouts loudly in that debate is a right leaning outlet owned by Fox News called Outkick Sports. And today, its founder took to a new stunt, one that really makes no sense. If Outkick is really concerned about caring about women and women's sports. Okay, 1. Can anybody explain to me how that has anything to do except to show that he cares about women in women's sports, not having to play against a larger, more powerful man. But no, no, she's gonna take it the exact opposite direction and pretend. Oh, no. I can't even figure out why. Larry.

[Larry Blightner]

Hmm.

[Darren O'Neill]

So Clay Travis, he's the man behind Outkick. He announced Today he's offering $10 million to the winner of a game of basketball between a high school boys team of his choosing and the WNBA defending

[Adam Curry]

champions, the Las Vegas Aces.

[Darren O'Neill]

I thought to myself, why? But obviously the answer is because he thinks it is so impossible for any

[Adam Curry]

group of women, let alone the best in the game, that they could ever

[Darren O'Neill]

beat younger and more inexperienced boys.

[Adam Curry]

It's a thinly veiled, sexist joke.

[Darren O'Neill]

How is it a sexist joke? What?

[Larry Blightner]

I know.

[Darren O'Neill]

I know what. How is this a sexist joke? It is making a valid point. And he's putting up enough money, Madam, that she's probably annoyed by that. Cause I think she was a they there. They're putting up enough money that this would be a big payday for this team. So how is it a joke? Somebody's offering you $10 million to play high school boys. This is the championship woman's team in the WNBA. To play a bunch of high school boys for $10 million. How is that really any. I don't think it's thinly veiled at all. I think it's right out there. How is it a sexist joke? I don't think it is. Wow. Younger and more inexperienced boys.

[Adam Curry]

It's a thinly veiled, sexist joke.

[Darren O'Neill]

Revealing the actual truth of how he and his organization feel about women's sports.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh.

[Darren O'Neill]

It's not about caring about them. They think women's sports are a joke.

[Larry Blightner]

No, we just think you're a joke lady.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, well, they think women's Sports.

[Adam Curry]

She's.

[Darren O'Neill]

She's 50% correct, Larry. Because they think women's sports is a joke once you allow men to start playing in that league.

[Larry Blightner]

Well, there's a lot of volunteers now, aren't there? Three, the last time I checked.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, I've got two. This is the second one that came out. This is Royce White, former NBA first round draft pick.

[Larry Blightner]

That's a cool first name, Royce. It's like a brother named Rolls.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes. Oh. Earlier this week, I made the announcement I'm transgender. I'm a woman. I identify as. Sometimes identifying as a woman for purposes of basketball. Professional basketball. So I'll be declaring for the WNBA

[Larry Blightner]

draft in 2027 as well.

[Darren O'Neill]

I mean, I think I'd be unstoppable, you know, But I'm a team first guy, you know, I'm a pass first kind of player. I do the little things, you know, I led my team in all five major stat categories at Iowa State University. So I do a little bit of everything. I'll do whatever the coach needs me to Do. I'll do whatever the girls need me to do. I think the WNBA could come out and make a definitive statement about guys with a pair of balls playing in

[Larry Blightner]

the Women's association, but, you know, hey,

[Darren O'Neill]

that'd be probably too much, like, right? So. And I don't want to be discriminated against. No. I want fair treatment. I'm a black. I'm a young black, hopefully, United States senator that. That, like, that would like a fair chance to. To participate as a. Sometimes identifying as a transgender woman athlete. Yeah, like, the. His delivery was good on that one.

[Larry Blightner]

Royce is cool, man. Dig that.

[Darren O'Neill]

And the latest from the wnba, because, of course, they're like, oh, geez. Now what is. Well, this is still a. A nuanced topic, Larry. It's nuanced. Nuanced, yeah.

[Larry Blightner]

Okay.

[Darren O'Neill]

Whether it's a dude with balls or whether it's a female, for the wnba, it is still nuanced. This next clip here is the original guy, N.S. kanter, Freedom. He was the first one that came out. And so I've got, I think, like the first 20 seconds or so is his statement saying he wants to play in the wnba, followed immediately by Stephen A. Smith in his reaction.

[Adam Curry]

After careful consideration and reviewing the current eligibility guidelines, I am officially declaring myself a WNBA prospect. If simply declaring who you are is all that's required, then I meet every single requirement necessary to compete in the wnba.

[Darren O'Neill]

So you see what Enos can say, right? You see how much of a mess this is becoming, right? Everybody want to act like, oh, my goodness, we don't want to hate on trans. We don't want to hate on trans folks. That's not what that's about. Anybody who's hating on them should be ashamed of themselves. The wnba, the NBA, and everybody else in between is absolutely right where they talk about not violating people's civil rights and liberties, not being hateful, not engaging in hate in any way, shape, form, or fashion, whether verbally, physically, or otherwise. We all know that. But what need this Cantor is pointing to is about competition. So for somebody to transition from male to female and for folks to act like it would be okay for them to participate in the WNBA is ridiculous. And when you have athletes from the WNBA saying that they're looking out for and speaking up on behalf of girls because it would clearly be an unfair advantage to a trans athlete over people born female. What's the problem? What's the problem? We gotta have common sense. And yes, Enos Cantor is going a bit too far, but he's right to do so to make a point. And Royce White, former NBA player, now conservative pundit, he's right, too, because he's trying to make a point. Certain things are beyond ridiculous, and you got to call it out just to send the message.

[Adam Curry]

Do you get it now?

[Darren O'Neill]

Are you sure you want to continue this subject. Are you sure you want to continue on this path? Sure. You don't want to be political pawns? Fine. Then understand that the WNBA is for girls and people, boy, female, and leave it at that. And stop acting like you don't know. Otherwise there'll be a lot more Enos Cancers. And we all know y' all don't want that. Yeah, but I'm not sure they don't want that. I mean, that's the weird thing with whatever's going on.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

At the wnba. This is a just a really quick, quick clip from the head coach of the.

[Larry Blightner]

Before you go there, I just want to say that was. I really enjoyed listening to Stephen A. Smith there because he was talking, not screaming.

[Darren O'Neill]

He's hit and miss. He is.

[Larry Blightner]

Well, that was. That was actually. That was very good. It was very good. He needs to. He needs to stay that course. I'm sorry for the interruption.

[Darren O'Neill]

Mellow out that delivery. Rather than going the. Yeah, well, well, well, well. Let me. Let me tell you, Larry, let me tell you this.

[Larry Blightner]

That's very good. You got it, man.

[Adam Curry]

He goes.

[Darren O'Neill]

He goes from the quiet to the loud. The quiet to the loud. He is working the crowd all the time. This is the coach of the Indiana Fever, which is the team with Sophie Cunningham and with Caitlin Clark. And when she was asked about this particular conundrum about, well, men and women's sports, her answer was maybe possibly the dumbest thing I've heard so far in this whole ordeal.

[Larry Blightner]

What is your stance on men or

[Darren O'Neill]

athletes who test as biological male participating in women's sports? What's your personal stance? Yeah, I mean, I don't know that

[Adam Curry]

I would say that I'm educated enough

[Darren O'Neill]

from a scientific standpoint. I don't ever believe that exclusion is an answer. I just don't. She is not educated enough in the scientific standpoint to understand the difference between a male and a female head coach, Indiana Fever.

[Larry Blightner]

She must be friends with that Supreme Court justice who couldn't say what a woman was.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes. Yeah, it's the same thing. I mean, I saw a. Was either a meme or somebody posted the other day that if somebody would have told you 10 years ago that the biggest argument going around the country would be whether a man and what is a man and what is a woman? Nobody would believe it.

[Larry Blightner]

It's incredible. I know how we can take advantage of this, Aaron.

[Darren O'Neill]

We're gonna go to the wnba. I could play. Even with one eye, I could play you.

[Larry Blightner]

You could? Absolutely. I'm sure you do very well. But I'm thinking maybe what we need to do is propose Adam C. Curry. He is six foot five.

[Darren O'Neill]

So am I.

[Larry Blightner]

He's a very. You're. You are too.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Larry Blightner]

And that would imagine what do suddenly, you know, this podcast guys are. They want in now, and one of them's, you know, I mean, holy. That would be sensational. What a play.

[Darren O'Neill]

The towers of power coming to you, right? From the wnba.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Darren O'Neill]

And just to prove how deeply ingrained in identity politics that the WNBA is, the coach, which we just heard from, from the Indiana Fever, there was a flagrant foul called on Sophie Cunningham, who is now getting the crap beat out of her, just like Caitlin Clark has had.

[Larry Blightner]

I saw that that was inferior.

[Darren O'Neill]

The foul was up to the level where the player was ejected. The Indiana Fever, the coach that is on Sophie's team, the woman that got mauled was like, well, you know, I guess it was the right call, but I don't think it was intentional. Like, sure, sure, it wasn't intentional. But the player that fouled her so hard she was ejected, went immediately to social media. And do you know what she posted on social media?

[Larry Blightner]

Tell me.

[Darren O'Neill]

White privilege. Because Sophie's white and this girl's black. This is how down the rabbit hole these folks in the WNBA are. And nobody ever cared about the wnba, let's be honest. No, until Caitlin Clark got there. But it's a very good example of, you know, the culture war that is going on.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes, yes, yes, it is.

[Darren O'Neill]

And it's hilarious to me that you have NBA guys now going, well, I'd like to play.

[Larry Blightner]

Well, you and Adam have to be next.

[Darren O'Neill]

They're going to let him in. I got it. I want to find out what kind of a fun that could be. But since people say, you know, we don't go after the right wingers enough, here is a clip. Clip from Megyn Kelly where I think she's being a total. Caitlin Clark was directly asked to speak

[Adam Curry]

on it, and she was cowardly. She refused to do.

[Darren O'Neill]

Is one thing to inject politics into your sport where they don't belong. Like Colin Kaepernick kneeling in the middle of professional football games.

[Adam Curry]

It's quite another when little girls are

[Darren O'Neill]

getting the shit kicked out of them in their sport.

[Adam Curry]

And you are the most famous woman

[Darren O'Neill]

in women's basketball and you're directly asked

[Adam Curry]

as the issue rears its head in

[Darren O'Neill]

your sport and you punt on it. You won't say anything. You'd rather let the 12 year olds handle it.

[Adam Curry]

F that.

[Darren O'Neill]

Big words from Megan for trying to get in the shoes of a Caitlin Clark who is already getting the crap kicked out of her by the other women in the league.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes.

[Darren O'Neill]

And if she doesn't want to make a statement, that's America, baby. She doesn't have to get political. No, she doesn't know, you know, so to be here and be like, no, she's in. You know, I just don't even understand the insanity that this is where we are now. That you have to. I mean, I'm tired of people that are like you. Not only do you have to like support us or believe that we're right, but you have to now come out and publicly say something. Getting called out. I think Megan's forgetting, you know, that this is a free country and that.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

You know, and that this woman is getting the crap kicked out of her on a daily basis. Victor. It was a great 1012 minutes Victor Davis Hansen did the other day, check it out on YouTube talking about this. But he's like the identity politics in the wnba, very interesting because it seems that it is a majority black players and also a majority lesbian. And you have Caitlin Clark and now Sophie Cunningham who are straight white girls that all of a sudden are the most popular people in the league and are now. Even though these other players have gone from literally the change because Caitlin Clark hitting in the amount of people that are watching the wnba, they've gone from having to fly coach to being able to fly private. All of their contracts have gone up. They're all making more money, but they hate her because she doesn't look like them. Because she doesn't share the same, you know, sexual preference that they do. It is insane.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. And I, I'm not a regular watcher of Megyn Kelly, but lately I kind of get the feeling very often she's just doing a pot stirring deal.

[Darren O'Neill]

You know, maybe it was the Ozempic. I mean, something happened.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, did she Oz epic herself too?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, I think so. I mean, there was a change that was pretty quick at one point. But I mean that's just speculation. That is just from the producers mode, as I see John and Adam would always say. Just looking just, just, just strictly from a producer's mode where it will comment upon the way it's an amateur.

[Larry Blightner]

She's an amateur compared to Ariana Grande.

[Darren O'Neill]

I know. Girl needs a hamburger, man. I'm telling you, that girl needs.

[Larry Blightner]

That girl needs professional attention. I mean, she's getting into the Karen Carpenter zone. I mean, really, that's, that's no joke. It's sad.

[Darren O'Neill]

It is because she's got talent.

[Larry Blightner]

She can see a tremendous talent. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

I mean, you may not like her music, but she can actually sing without all of the, you know, auto tune and all of that.

[Larry Blightner]

Sure. Very talented girl. It's very. I mean, I see these pictures like, oh my God, Wow. What are you doing?

[Darren O'Neill]

How much is social media? Because they are being judged on a minute by minute basis. And you and I will read at some point some of the reviews of us doing the show. Adam was very kind. A lot of people seem to like what we're doing, but there are some that have been vicious. Nobody could for, for Larry and I, it's kind of like, hey, did you see this one? Oh yeah. Did you see this? And it's funny, but for somebody like Ariana Grande, I mean, the negativity might actually cause a problem. And you know, oh no, I gotta, I gotta be, I gotta be perfect. I gotta achieve whatever the goal is in this social media with kids that do nothing but sit at home on their screens rather than going out and having conversations with their friends and not worried about what anybody outside of their little group cared about. I mean, that's. I didn't have the ability to see that until the Internet rolled around. And by the time the Internet rolled around, I mean, it really became prevalent. You know, I was already in my 30s, so by that point you have a whole different skin on you to take the people that are going to be haters. But it's horrible. I mean, I don't have kids, so a lot of people like, oh, you shouldn't even comment. But if you can see it, it's dangerous. It's bad.

[Larry Blightner]

Very dangerous. It's very, very. So much so. You know, I think Adam had a great phrase for what do you say this sort of like the. Wasn't chemically or digitally induced autism.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Larry Blightner]

And I absolutely know that for a fact because I, you know, back in the day in school and my kids are in school in Los Angeles, there were several kids I knew that, that the goddamn iPad was just basically stitched to the palms of their hands. They never put it down. And by the time These kids were 5, 6 years old, they basically. I don't know whether they couldn't or wouldn't speak.

[Darren O'Neill]

Wow.

[Larry Blightner]

You know, like, yeah, yeah. Like, what are you doing? Take the. Rip that out of that kid's paws, you know? So. Yeah, yeah. It's. It is what it is.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes. Again, parents make your kids grow up without the technology as much as you can. I. Some people be like, it's impossible. One, I don't think it's impossible. You can limit it. You can do a flip phone if you want to feel like your kid can get a hold of you. Do the flip phone. They don't need full access to everything, at least until they're in high school. And even then, you want to be on top of them and understand and explain. You're going to have to have those hard conversations. I mean, parents never want to have. You know, the birds and the bees. It's always like, oh, maybe. Maybe I can wait. I don't want to do it when they're 12, but you gotta be on top of this stuff.

[Larry Blightner]

Give me an Etch A Sketch. That's the answer. I used to be like, that's what I had.

[Darren O'Neill]

I know. Oh, man. It's like, turn one knob, turn the other knob. I know. There's. There's like, at least three no agenda artists right now. Like, Etch and Sketch out to the artwork we're gonna need.

[Larry Blightner]

Could do anything but dot an I. That was it. Yes.

[Darren O'Neill]

You can't skip. You'd have to be really good to skip. Yep. Now you've got one more here. I've got one more. What is there?

[Larry Blightner]

Forget. Forget that one. We'll save that for. For next time. Mine.

[Darren O'Neill]

Good old Stevie Miller. But I'm gonna.

[Larry Blightner]

It. It's. It's. It's. There's no shelf life to it. It'll be just as good next time. So.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, this one. For anybody that has listened to Planet Rage, you will. You will recognize this horrible AI.

[Adam Curry]

Or you'll find he's just a fool.

[Larry Blightner]

The things he says are beyond belief.

[Adam Curry]

He's such an asshole.

[Larry Blightner]

Just keep the queen. Keep the queen, keep the queen.

[Darren O'Neill]

I'd like to congratulate. Congratulate President Trump on becoming the first US Leader to lose a war. Iran makes a deal, all right. Not with Trump, but with Oman. They now jointly control the Strait of Hormuz and Trump and the US we can pay the effing toll cash only. There didn't used to be a toll. Now there's a toll. Big L for Trump. Trump, an American president has lost a war. I'm so tired of all the winning. So let's Try all the losing. Yes. The Countdown podcast is back. Glad you noticed. After 88 days of rest and recovery. Yeah, I just want to say 88.

[Larry Blightner]

88, please. Thank you.

[Darren O'Neill]

We have Trump losing in Iran, Abdul El Sayed winning in Michigan and immediately going on the offensive, throwing punches at the Republican. The bigger picture about how Trump is making pollution and death by climate change great again. The failures of Maggie Haberman and the Times and the Tony Fauci hearing or the many faces of Laura Ingraham and. You know what I mean. All on the Thursday Countdown podcast, wherever you podcast. And the full video version me on camera for an hour. I don't know if that's a great selling point now on YouTube. No, it's not. It's not a great selling point.

[Larry Blightner]

I am so glad you did that. And what great timing on Keith's part. I think some in some way, like we're magnetically linked.

[Darren O'Neill]

We three back after almost three months because he started having afib and his doctor told him that he should cut down on the. On the anger, but I. I doubt he's one that can cut down on the anger. I don't. He doesn't seem like he could, but

[Larry Blightner]

he's a better doctor than Scott Labedo does.

[Darren O'Neill]

Really well, he got him before the. Before, so it's. It's good to hear Keith's voice again. I'm glad he's around.

[Larry Blightner]

And let's, let's, let's. I want to give full credit that that composition is all Darren o'. Neill. He's not doing the singing.

[Darren O'Neill]

No. Bad AI.

[Adam Curry]

But.

[Larry Blightner]

But man, that's be. That became an absolute classic on Planet Rage. People always wanted to hear that. Keith the Queef and. And you did several iterations, but that's. That's the best one. That's really great.

[Darren O'Neill]

Again, we learned from no Agenda. People like. And then all of a sudden you create something like that and they're like, oh, no, you got to keep playing that.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

How these things happen, we'll never know.

[Larry Blightner]

We're just glad they do.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Darren O'Neill]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

On no Agenda in the morning. Yeah. This is a podcast that is out there. It's value for Value. And Sir Chris Wilson sent this out too. For the value for value. Say, let me listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

This is your amygdala.

[Larry Blightner]

Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

This is the mainstream media.

[Larry Blightner]

This is your amygdala without no agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Any questions?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, it's donate, donate, donate time, talent and treasure. There's no ads, there's no corporate money. There is no paywall. There's no Patreon, there's no subscription. You can't figure out how to get out of. We highly recommend you get a Podcasting 2.0 app. You can get [e-mail]. then you can get the bat signal. When we go live. You can always know when we go live. You know, when there's a new show, if you laugh, you cry. You're better than cats. Of course we are. Where else are you going to hear Billy Idol making out with Julie Brown? I mean, that's yearly true. Just only here. If you got any value out of the show, you get to go over and to no agenda donations.com and whatever number hits you, whatever number means something to you. Numerology is a big part of this. For some people, five bucks is a lot of money. Some people might throw 50, some might throw 500 or 5,000. It all depends on how much value that you got out of the show. And let's see, how many people do we have live here in the troll room? Let's see this. It is 771 now with a peak of 1103. Everybody wanted to hear the Podfather.

[Larry Blightner]

Hey, that's okay, man. Yeah, 1103, not bad.

[Darren O'Neill]

They always run like, right when they're like, oh no, they're going to talk about donations. We gotta run. The trolls are afraid of donations. I don't know why. Trolls just go to no Agenda donations dot com. You will feel good.

[Larry Blightner]

You will.

[Darren O'Neill]

And that way you'll know. Get your podcasting 2.0 app. We have to acknowledge that one of the ways you can show some value is by doing artwork for the show. And we were totally remiss on the last show to not mention Mike Riley's beautiful artwork of the water tower with the Iranian lock. It is so beautiful to see Mike Riley back. I know, Larry, you didn't follow the art as closely as I did, which was, well, way too close.

[Larry Blightner]

It was beautiful though.

[Darren O'Neill]

I was throwing out so much artwork and they. Adam, had to get me out of the competition just so the other artists can come back and step up. And Mike Riley, a true artist. He's published books of his work. He is a cartoonist who does this thing without the AI assistance.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wow.

[Darren O'Neill]

Which makes him even more impressive. If you want. If you like that and you like to find out more, just go over to Mike Riley. Lol. Which is a great Domain it is. Now, on the last show, we had a few different things to choose from. And I'll pull this here up as well. But the one we chose came from Parker Polly, a black knight, and it was of the JCD buzz kill shaver, which Adam and John taught me. Always go with the joke. And this was the perfect joke. It was the shaver from the story that Adam told that he would turn on JCD's microphone and, you know, he might be eating breakfast or he might be shaving, and we're like, what?

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Who's shaving? Right before the show with an electric razor, which now makes you wonder what's inside that Heil PR40 that he was using. There has to be some trimmings. There's gotta be some. Yeah, there's gotta be some trimmings in there. There is no doubt about it. Oh, I've got thunder going on. Loud. See? Just a fair warning.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, really?

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. The area here, lately, anytime it rains, it seems like the power goes out. So hopefully I won't disappear. But there were a plethora of interesting pieces. We liked Tyler Brown's Fauci in the Orange Jumpsuit, but that was too depressing.

[Larry Blightner]

A little bit, but it was good.

[Darren O'Neill]

The one from Comic Strip Blogger, which had two men and a woman in the middle and said o', Neill, Blightner, and Curry. We didn't know why you made Larry a blonde woman.

[Larry Blightner]

Because the. The trans Larry. It's got to be it, right?

[Darren O'Neill]

So you can get into the WNBA now.

[Larry Blightner]

Why not? We'll make it a threesome. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Is there. Is there. Is there a women's podcasting network? I don't know. What do we.

[Larry Blightner]

We. I don't know.

[Darren O'Neill]

What are we trying to do? The Tyler Brown the Grim Fauci Fairy Tale. I thought that was cute, but just. It didn't have the oomph that the Parker Paulie piece had.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Although I did like Ness works the Larry and dairy, because everybody's gonna stop.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes. That was funny. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

And Scaramanga. I mean, you're getting closer with the. With the cheesecake when. When the thunder is coming through the noise gate, you know?

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

You know, the weather's fun. So thank you to the Parker Polly and everybody who has sent artwork in. I see there's already some interesting Mike Riley pieces. Good to have him back. Dame Kenny Ben was back. Comic strip blogger. It's like the old art crowd is back.

[Larry Blightner]

Good old days. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

And we very much appreciate that. But we also appreciate the people that come in financially and these are real credits. If you come in at 3:33 or over, you are an executive producer. 200 or over. Associate executive producer. They are indeed real credits that you can use on your IMDb page. And Larry's IMDb page is very interesting as well.

[Larry Blightner]

God, I haven't even looked at that in years. I'll have to take a peek.

[Darren O'Neill]

Gotta update it, make sure it's all right.

[Larry Blightner]

I never do that stuff. I just leave it to the fates. Yeah, never.

[Darren O'Neill]

Damn. I'm telling you, this is the thunder's going good here. But we have a bunch of people to thank today. And I mean I'll start off here with our buddy Ron V42 coming in from Hoffman Estates, Illinois. I met him at the only meetup that I've gone to so far. Sat across from Ron. He's totally not a spook or anything like that. Totally not doing government work.

[Larry Blightner]

Okay.

[Darren O'Neill]

Nothing to worry about whatsoever. He says in the morning. Everyone at no Agenda Ron V. Here. And I bet either Darren or Larry will be reading this. Who? He's like Carmack too.

[Larry Blightner]

He can. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

I just want to state that today, Sunday, August 9th, marks my 40 years. My wife has put up with me. Well, congratulations.

[Larry Blightner]

Congratulations on that, Ron.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[Darren O'Neill]

His donation is $404. Did I say the page not found?

[Larry Blightner]

It's not found. That's what I thought.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, good, because a marriage like this can't be located anywhere else in the wild. 40 years and still not depreciated. I'm not knight or dame territory yet, but I'm circling the roundtable. Congratulations. Give us a shout out. Tell my bride she married a legend. Please hold down the fort and keep no agenda alive. Oh, and one more thing. Boobs. Well, Ron is The real deal, Mrs. Ron, he is the real deal. You made a good choice 40 years ago. Congratulations. A hell of an accomplishment there. 40 years.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. Scott Vance, Fallbrook, California. The amount is 333 ITM. Everyone, I was hit. Hit him. Oh, hit the mouth. I go, yeah, of course. Hitting the mouth. Over a year ago by my friend John Buell and have been listening ever since. Please de douche me. JCD's passing hit me harder than I expected. Thank you and God bless you all. Thank you. Scott,

[Darren O'Neill]

you've been de douched. Ladybutters coming in with 30322 from Tiverton, Rhode island and says to the Dvorak family, Larry, Darren and Adam, my donation comes with a spirit of gratitude and celebration towards the people who impact our lives, including all of You. As I write this on Bittersweet88, I think about those we lose often leave unexpected signs. Antidote Time to honor Mimi. I finally ordered my own copy of Too Many Eggs. It's a great book and you can download it. You can order it. Too many eggs dot com, I believe. Of course it was delivered and sat outside unprotected during a Noah's Ark level downpour while my husband was at work and I was out of state this week, I was convinced I'd come home to a waterlogged mess inside the box, but instead, the book was pristine. Probably dumb luck, but I'd like to believe John's spirit helped ensure I could enjoy Mimi's work. August is a bittersweet month for me too. Although the anniversary of my dad's passing comes this Thursday, I also have my 10th wedding anniversary with Sir Knives to look Forward to on 8 27. Well, congratulations.

[Larry Blightner]

Congratulations, she says.

[Darren O'Neill]

Thanks for putting up with me for so long, my love. In our own Little New England JCD memorial meetup on the 29th. Larry, we would be honored if you would even go over the border to Little Roadie for that.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, wow.

[Darren O'Neill]

Otherwise, we hope to see you soon. Whether those we care about are still with us or not, we can always be thankful for them and celebrate the impact that they've had on our lives. For now, I'd just like to say thank you for reading my note. Thank you to the entire no Agenda community for your your courage. With so much love to all, Lady Butters. Well, thank you, Lady Butters.

[Larry Blightner]

P.S. attached is the egg book on proud display alongside our obnoxiously large dictionary in honor of my fellow word nerd, jcd.

[Darren O'Neill]

Oh, and that's where it should be.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. And I gotta say, I know I have the great honor of knowing Ladybutters Answer Knives. I've met them both and talked with them at length at a couple of of meetups. And they came all the way into Higginham, Connecticut, where they happen from. From. From Rhode island. And they are spectacular people. She's a. She's a complete. Just a wonderful woman. And Sir Knives, I think, is a very dangerous guy. I get the feeling he's. There's more to him than he's telling. He knows a lot of stuff and he's a cool dude. So this is. This is a very cool thing. And if I can get over to. To your neck of the WOODS on the 29th, that would be an honor. Thank you, Lady Buddy.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, yeah, it sounds like you don't want Sir Knives mad at you.

[Larry Blightner]

Never. No, no, no. All right, here we go. Manuka Gold, Hudson, Florida. $250 from the Manuka Gold family. Enjoying the show. We're glad it kept going while Adam is on vacation because it would leave a big empty hole in our Thursdays and Sundays. Darren and Larry, you're doing a great job and we're so glad we found Planet Rage because of you two filling in. That's cool. Thank you. And I'm sure there are a lot of new listeners who came over from Planet Rage. We wanted to mention [e-mail] we sell specialty health and well being products all made from Manuka honey that is rare. A rare true miracle of nature. And starting now, we're giving away free travel size of our best selling pan relief I'm sorry pain relief gel. With every purchase over $45 and no agenda, listeners can still get the gift and free shipping with their 20% off code. So do not hesitate to use the code Treasure at checkout.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, the code Treasure. And I will say they offered to send a box over to me and you, which you've just got to get them your address. And they send it out. And my wife already is like, oh, this is the best cream I've ever used. And the straight honey, I tried it and it was the, the most. And again, this is going to sound like you paid advertisement and it's not. But it was the most powerful tasting honey. Usually, you know, you get a very just sugar sweet and then a little honey taste. Yes, this is totally the opposite. It's still sweet. But the honey punch is like 33% more than anything I've ever.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, I, I can't wait. Because I'm a honey freak. I always douse my, my tea with it every morning. I don't drink coffee much, very rarely, but yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

So yeah. And they even have a little honey thing for dogs. So unless moose has a problem with honey. I mean, this guy, the Moose we know is already well taken care of. But now he'll be like, oh yes, honey, please.

[Larry Blightner]

Maybe he'll be nice to me for a change.

[Darren O'Neill]

I wouldn't count at it. Although the honey is nice and has Madicus II from Manassas, Virginia, came in with $223, says, Rest in peace, John. John's passing hit me harder than expected. It felt like losing a friend or perhaps an old teacher. You know, that's a, that's a good analog there because we all learned something from John whether we wanted to or not. He will certainly Be missed, he says. Adam, thank you for all you do. Please stay on the show. Great job. Daryl and Harry. Oh, that's a new one. Daryl and Harry.

[Larry Blightner]

Daryl and Harry. I'll take it. Okay.

[Darren O'Neill]

I especially enjoyed Larry's disdain for commies.

[Larry Blightner]

Good to meet you, brother.

[Darren O'Neill]

Try John's ghostly Donate, Donate.

[Larry Blightner]

Let's see.

[Darren O'Neill]

Do I just go ahead and type in donate? Will that show up here to pick up the donations? And technically, this donation makes me a knight. Well, congratulations.

[Larry Blightner]

Congrats. Congrats.

[Darren O'Neill]

If it pleases the council, I shall henceforth be known as sir has, Madicus the second Night and slave to the Lord Christ and Keeper of Dogs. You can also add far right white Christian nationalist. Well, thank you very much. And. You've got Donate, donate, donate. Karma.

[Larry Blightner]

Very cool. Okay, up next is Eli the coffee guy from Bensonville, Illinois. He donated 208.09. And Eli says JCD's memorial yesterday marks the end of an era. A true legend, a writer, podcaster and modern day philosopher. For over a decade since discovering the show, no Agenda has kept me company through the ups, the downs and all the events of my life. I am truly thankful for JCD and how he's enriched it. But what John and Adam have created is bigger than just them. Because of this podcast, I've made friendships and connections with members of this community. John's legacy lives on and the torch is carried forth by Larry and Darrin the boys over at the Millennial Media Offensive, Nick the Rat and many others inspired by the no Agenda show. I'll continue to support this show. The value it's brought me is immeasurable. For producers who want a great cup of coffee, visit gigawatt coffeeroasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your co order. That's gigawatt coffee roasters.com code ITM20 for 20% OFF your order. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy. P S. Happy third birthday to my son Ethan today. Happy birthday, Ethan.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, definitely. And you gotta look at the farmer's market schedule at Gigawatt Coffee and go meet Eli because he loves coffee so much. Even if you don't, it gets contagious. I loved watching the people walking by and Eli's like, what do you want? Want light, medium or dark? And they're like, what? And then all of a sudden they're like, we need some of that. Thank you, Eli. I think we missed Era der Darien who came in with $210 and 60 cents. And I had to know thanks, guys. You are doing an excellent job. Well, we appreciate that. And then we also had Linda Lou Patkin coming in with 200. He's from Castle Rock, Colorado. And she says your Resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression. Well, then you know, if it's not good, then you need some help. That's for damn sure. Most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com Linda helps professionals and executives position their experience so employers see their value. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. And I want to know how AI Is affecting that at this point.

[Larry Blightner]

That's a great question. Yes.

[Darren O'Neill]

Because I hear now it's like AI is what's being used in order to even get your resume to people. So I'm sure Linda's on top of it. Go to ImageMakersInc.com now. Jobs, jobs, jobs.

[Larry Blightner]

Foreign.

[Darren O'Neill]

I'll find the right one eventually. Linda.

[Larry Blightner]

That's pretty good. That wasn't bad. Doug Andrews of Sykesville, Maryland donated $200. No note, but thank you very much.

[Darren O'Neill]

Doug Andrews and Eric Mullady coming in from Nepen, Ontario, Canada. 146. 27 and says 88.88 for JCD and Mimi's anniversary. 50 for Darren and Larry, plus fees. Well, thank you very much. Appreciate the shows and would like no agenda to continue in whatever form it becomes. The candidness of John was refreshing. Praying for everyone in the N. A community. Yeah, I mean, John was as authentic as they come.

[Larry Blightner]

Thank you, Eric. Very nice. Harry pilgrim. We know Harry. 105.35. Harry said thank you for keeping the fire burning while Adam and the family take some time to grieve. John, thank you for your courage and rage on. Well, we thank you, Harry.

[Darren O'Neill]

Also Zadok Brown. We've seen that name more than a few times. 105. 35. And he says rage on paired with Adam was a fantastic show.

[Larry Blightner]

Well, you're very kind. Thank you, sir.

[Darren O'Neill]

We hope you hear more of that in the future.

[Larry Blightner]

Indeed. Christopher ebert of Spartanburg, South Carolina donated 105.35.

[Darren O'Neill]

No note, but thank you, Christopher Armando Mares Altorf, I believe from the Zotermir, Netherlands. Again, I'm butchering that. 105. 35 says RIP JCD never expected to cry during show 1880. Had a lump in my throat. Although sadly, I never had the chance to know him. It felt like he was family. My deepest condolences and strength to everyone who held him dear with Kind regards, Armando Mares Eltorf. And from the Netherlands, thank you, Jennifer

[Larry Blightner]

rain of Snoqualmie, Washington. 188. Jennifer says happy anniversary, Mimi and John. Love to the Dvorak family, the Currys and all. No Agenda Nation. Thank you to Darren and Larry for stepping up to keep this show going well. Thank you, Jennifer.

[Darren O'Neill]

Don Richards coming in with a hundred dollars from Franklin, Virginia. No note. And I just love the name and thank you. Then the next one, Sir Evil Larry. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wow.

[Darren O'Neill]

We, we, we got this. I have a doppelganger coming with $100 from Thompson Station, Tennessee and says to 38 years, Sir Evil Larry.

[Larry Blightner]

All right, thank you. Keith R. Johnson of Arlington, New York, donated a hundred dollars and says Darren and Larry, thank you for filling in and giving Adam a break. You guys did great. Happy anniversary, Mimi. Our thoughts are with you and your family.

[Darren O'Neill]

Baron Patrick of the Pugner order. Coming in next from Carnation Washington. That is 9364. It says JCD Ghost Busting Note. We gotta keep Mimi unhaunted. Baron Patrick of The Pugner order. P.S. meetup report. JCD remembered at the Snow Valley. Oh man. JCD met. Yeah, we'll have that in the meetup report. The quote of the event. It's a scam. It's official. We miss jcd. We all do.

[Larry Blightner]

Thank you, Baron Patrick, David, Ariannas. Hope I got that right. Of Escondido, California. $93.64. And David says 88. 88 plus fees. Happy anniversary in our hearts to John and Mimi. Also my dad's day today. And 88 is in our family too. Thank you, David.

[Darren O'Neill]

Next up, Sir Eric and Van N California coming in with 9,364. And it's a happy faces and then sad faces and says Raven in Reseda is so sad too. Sir Eric Baron of the Valley Marina

[Larry Blightner]

morata of Richmond, Illinois. 93.64 says four more years would have been. That would have never been enough. The grief is much bigger than I anticipated. Sending all my love and prayers to Gitmonation. But especially to Adam, Mimi and the kids. Rip JCD Love you mean it.

[Darren O'Neill]

Next up, Rob Van Dyke coming in with 93, 60 and a short note. JCD would have loved that just as. Thanks, dudes.

[Larry Blightner]

Thank you, John Scott of Oakhurst, California. 9364, no note. Thank you, John.

[Darren O'Neill]

Dame Elizabeth coming in with 9,364 from Poughkeepsie, New York and says with love, Dame Elizabeth of the Hudson Valley.

[Larry Blightner]

And we thank you Joshua Hines of El Cerrito, California. 9364. Joshua says Mimi, Jay and everyone else, I'm sorry for your loss. I live in El Cerrito and every time John mentioned a local place, I always knew exactly where and what he was talking about.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, that's the danger there when you start talking.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes, of course.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, that's why move around a lot. That way you can tell stories and people can't find you.

[Larry Blightner]

Correct.

[Darren O'Neill]

Kristen Hanlon up next with $93.64 and says on this very special day in honor and memory of jcd, I humbly submit. Rest in peace. Good man. You are missed.

[Larry Blightner]

Well, thank you very much David west of Marysville, Washington. 9364. No note.

[Darren O'Neill]

We thank you David Camaria Staunton. Up next from Riviera Beach, Florida. 9364. Rest in peace. John, like many, the news of your passing was a shock and I cried for someone I never met. Your insight and knowledge will be missed. My condolences to the Dvoraks Curry's Andrew Horowitz and no Agenda Nation. I've been listening to no agenda since 2020 when Adam was on Joe Rogan. Ooh, Joe Rogan Donation. It took a few episodes to get into the flow of the show, but I've been been hooked ever since. I've donated two times but have not been deduced. Well. You've been de douched says thank you Darren and Larry for stepping in. Your media deconstruction is insightful and he spelled it with an S because Benro's pointed out the other day that insightful and insightful both sound exactly the same.

[Larry Blightner]

That's true, they do. This one's from Dennis Hahn of Menominee Falls, Wisconsin. 9364. In 2022 I made my first donation of 8888 in honor of JCD's anniversary and my two daughters birthdays on August 7th and 8th and 9th rather respectively. It seems appropriate to complete my knighthood by bookending it with another $88.88 including fees. I began listening to no Agenda shortly shortly before the 2020 election in the midst of the Wuhan pandemic. Since then I haven't missed a show. I've also made some great friends via several no Agenda meetups. When I began listening, John would always start off the show with the Zephyr Report, which just happened to be my high school mascot. Therefore, please knight me as Sir Zephyr of the Valley defender of the lands of beer and cows. Also, please add my daughters Alison Hahn who turned 24 on 87 and Sarah Engel who turns 28 today 89 to the birthday list. Happy birthday to the best daughters a father could ask for. Finally, all my love and prayers to the Dvorak and Curry families. In the time of grief. The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. Psalm 34:18

[Darren O'Neill]

Richard J. Lindquist Up Next 93:64 from Sequeem is at Washington. As a husband of many years, I understand a little, perhaps something of your loss and send my sincere condolences. I am still in shock and in pain. Best to you from Sequim.

[Larry Blightner]

Thank you Richard Martin McIntyre of Mount Laurel, New Jersey 9360 no note we thank you Martin.

[Darren O'Neill]

And we have Sir Baron Gust Cadaver PhD with 9306 and says well done both. Sir Baron Gust Cadaver PhD thank you.

[Larry Blightner]

Thank you Jonathan Farris of Liberal, Kansas. 8888 no note thank you Jonathan Ohno

[Darren O'Neill]

Priester coming in with 8,888 from the Netherlands. That's Swest Netherlands I believe in the morning. No jingles, no karma. Rest in peace jcd and thank you. Oh no.

[Larry Blightner]

Sir Tooth Fairy From Val Valparaiso, Indiana. 8888 Note is just from Sir Tooth Fairy. Thank you sir.

[Darren O'Neill]

Susan Kramer coming in from Flower Mound, Texas. 88 love to Mimi, the Dvorak family and all who were lucky enough to be loved by JCD.

[Larry Blightner]

Well thank you Greg Mellon of Glenmore, PA. 8888 overdue note I was on a backpacking trip when I heard the news about John. On my drive home, I listened to the show and cried. I haven't cried in years. John was like an uncle to me. Even though he we only ever exchanged a few emails, we all loved him.

[Darren O'Neill]

Coming in next, sir camera Chris with 8888. He says okay, so first PayPal is being really strange. Doesn't show that I donated. So if they're like seven payments of 8888, John got me good. If there are none, then I really do hate PayPal. Well, it looks like there was at least one, so maybe it worked out all right. Here. Anyways, here's my note. Baronet Baylor aka Sir Camera Chris Grafton, Wisconsin Birthday shout out to myself for Monday the 10th. I'll be 33 plus 8. Seems fitting. Mimi, you and the kids have been and will continue to be in my prayers. You as well as Adam Loving like John. We sure as hell miss you. Thank you for your courage, sir. Camera Kristen. Thank you sir.

[Larry Blightner]

Is this a second from Zadok Brown?

[Darren O'Neill]

It looks like it.

[Larry Blightner]

It looks like it. You said that right. The first Mecca. Wow. Is that right, Makawa?

[Darren O'Neill]

I don't know. It's Hawaii. It seems like a laid back dude surfing.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. Well, it's 8888 and no note. And we thank you again, Zadok.

[Darren O'Neill]

Coming in next, Stacy Stream from Fondi Fond du Lac, Wisconsin coming in with 88. 88. Thank you you very much, Stacy.

[Larry Blightner]

Dame Nikki ray of Tulatine, Oregon. 8888. She says Miss you JCD love Dame Nikki Ray. Thank you Dame Nikki.

[Darren O'Neill]

Then Kevin McLaughlin. Oh, we know him. Comes in from Concord, North Carolina with 8888. It's the boob donation. He says God bless La Deo. Thank you sir.

[Larry Blightner]

Gina Moley donated 8,888 from parts unknown. And she said for JCD his family. And thank you Adam, Larry and Darren for keeping the show going. Jobs karma for my beautiful daughter.

[Darren O'Neill]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Actually what we need is is jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. One of those. It's jobs karma. I thought there would just be a regular one. I'm probably missing it. Don't. Don't blame the oneeyed podcaster.

[Larry Blightner]

I like them both. That was definitely Hillary in the first one. Do we know who the second voice is?

[Darren O'Neill]

I think Janet Yellen.

[Larry Blightner]

Okay.

[Darren O'Neill]

There is so much history in the jingles of the. It's hard to even tell here. So where was I now on sir becoming Heroic? I think from Sheriffille, Indiana. Sir becoming Heroic 8838 and says 80 0808. 38 years. Sir becoming heroic. And of course in reference to John and Mimi's anniversary,

[Larry Blightner]

Dame Tony helfst of Oklahoma City. 88.37. Happy birthday to Sir B with a Y of the flying chickens. You are a great, great son and father. Love Mom.

[Darren O'Neill]

From Dame Tony Helst and Dave Fukazotto coming in with 8514 from Gladstone, Missouri. And the note is just an emoji heart. Thank you Dave.

[Larry Blightner]

It nice. This is from Scott and Denise of Gallatin, Tennessee. 80.09 Adam, Mimi and family. Heavily heavy hearted. Doesn't begin to describe our feelings when we heard the news. So many memories shared with all of you too. We've chosen to make a donation of $76 because it took the two of you to celebrate 38 years. Miss him. Scott and Denise, thank you.

[Darren O'Neill]

And let's see, the next one is a Kevin McLaughlin. I think we did. I thought we did. 8008. God bless America and boobs. Another Kevin McLaughlin. Now see, now you're really stumping. The One Eyed podcast. You're. Thank you very much. Like didn't I do this? Oh no. Concord, North Carolina. Had to get the boobs donation and it is very much appreciated, Kevin. Thank you. And again, God bless America and boobs Laos. Deo and I took Latin in high school for two years and I mean I couldn't really say more than a few words. I can. I can conjugate sum s. That's like all I can remember.

[Larry Blightner]

Very good. I'm impressed. From Latin you could almost be a priest. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Except for a few of those other issues.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, a few of us. Christian Bowers 78.77 thank you Larry and Darren eternally itm JCD. Well thank you Christian then.

[Darren O'Neill]

Les Tarkowski coming from Kingman, Arizona right off of Route 66 with a 6006 donation. Is that a coincidence? I'm thinking maybe not.

[Larry Blightner]

No. I love that town. Kingman. Been there a bunch of times. Always fun. Leafy. Learn of Togo Cho Iichi, Japan. Wow. I've been listening since 2010's first donation. De Douche me. Tom Young coach donating to keep the show going. Want balance in your life? Just say itm and the URL is

[Darren O'Neill]

Tom Young T A M young coach.com booking. You've been de douched Then Catherine Morton came in with 55. 55. Thank you very much.

[Larry Blightner]

Tim Heazel donated 54.3. Thank you for your service. 51.50 plus fees. Thanks Tim.

[Darren O'Neill]

All the next on the list is getting cooked with Craig. Craig Knowsley from Cumberland, B.C. canada, way up there in Kanakistan. Came in with 5430 says love you guys. No homo. I just finished episode 33 tonight. Yes, he is going back and listening to no Agenda from episode one. By the time you get all the way to where we are now, we'll probably be 90 years old. Craig, the night of nights I you not. I wonder if the memorial was recorded. Pretty sure JCD would have wanted to monetize it. Yeah, don't think so. But I mean you can always donate in his memory. Everybody out there and just imagine what the memorial. And there is going to be a public memorial so maybe that one will will be live streamed or something. I don't know.

[Larry Blightner]

Craig is a cool guy and very handy. Built One of the coolest looking or hottest looking pizza ovens I've ever seen. I know he is some like Canadian name for the cob oven, whatever. That looks like a pizza oven to me. And congratulations. Very nice.

[Darren O'Neill]

And it is. And it's. Every time he shows food, I'm like, how long does it take us to get from Chiraq to there? Because.

[Larry Blightner]

Exactly.

[Darren O'Neill]

It always looks great.

[Larry Blightner]

Always does. Ian McAfee. Ian W. McAfee. Excuse me. From Gabriola Island, British Columbia, BC. Yeah, BC Canada, of course. 5388. No note. Thank you, Ian.

[Darren O'Neill]

Then Brittany Miller from Trinidad, Colorado, coming in with 5272. Thank you.

[Larry Blightner]

Gregory Caligari from Parts Unknown donated 52.72. No note. Thank you, Gregory. You.

[Darren O'Neill]

Then, Maria Self from Rancho Cordova, California. 50 to 72. Thank you.

[Larry Blightner]

Kalori Carl Crooks of Thornbury, Victoria, Australia. 5272. This is a late morning donation for JCD RIP episode 1888 was deeply touching and devastating at the same time. I cried many times. Sending love to the no Agenda family and Mimi on her wedding anniversary from Melbourne, Australia.

[Darren O'Neill]

Then we have Justin edelman from Northampton, Pennsylvania. 5272. I love in each and every one of you so much. Goodbye, John. Thank you for your courage. DMT and Astral Travel. Rebelizer out.

[Larry Blightner]

Joshua Hoover, Las Vegas, Nevada. 5272 Notice. Just praying for Mimi, the kids and Adam. Thank you, Joshua.

[Darren O'Neill]

Then. Bad idea.

[Larry Blightner]

Supply.

[Darren O'Neill]

I like that. Well, we got plenty of those. Wait, you can make a business of bat. Oh, dude.

[Larry Blightner]

Let's do it.

[Darren O'Neill]

Came in with $50 and 50 cents. Great. Great name for a company. Thank you.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes. Roderick Brown of Mermaid Pencil. Okay. What's PE Canada? Darren, help me out.

[Darren O'Neill]

Prince Edward island, perhaps?

[Larry Blightner]

Prince Edward Island. Maybe that's it. Yeah. Thank you. And no note, but with a cool name. Roderick Brown. Thank you.

[Darren O'Neill]

Then Stephen Shoemaker. Just shoemake. Sorry, no R at the end. Xenia, Ohio. $50. Thank you very much.

[Larry Blightner]

Daniel Niwong of Bora Ange. Boy again. I'll be in this one too. Where can that be? Se.

[Darren O'Neill]

I don't know when the. When the country is se Sweden. But when the letters change into like non normal, then. Yeah, that's.

[Larry Blightner]

We need Adam for this one.

[Darren O'Neill]

We need. We need a pronunciation guide in the note because.

[Larry Blightner]

Well, we'll just say thank you very much, Daniel. We'll figure out where you are next time.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes, we want to thank each and every one of you for donating to the best Damn podcast in the universe as we try to keep the wheels on it moving in the forward direction. Give Adam a little bit of a lesser workload. But we hope he pops in more than not because that we have fun. It's like the, you know, like when they. You come into school for the substitute teacher and you can just. Just. Oh, we don't wait. We don't have to talk about work for a minute. We can, we can have a little bit of fun. If you want to hear more of that, let us know. Just go over to no agenda donations.com and then if you get to $11,000, you two get to join the round table and I. Let's see. I know where's. There we go. We do have one knighting today, but they need to get our swords out here. All righty. Has Madicus the second. Please step up to the podium. We'd like to thank you for your support of the no Agenda show in the amount of a thousand dollars or more. And I'm very proud you pronounce C8. The sir has Madicus II, knight and slave to the Lord Christ, the keeper of dogs. Far right white Christian nationalist. For you we have the usual hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay mutton and me ginger ale and gerbils, bong hits and bourbon, Irish whiskeys and Chicago dogs. I mean, it's really a buffet at this point. Just go over you, you know, noagendarings.com that's where you will find the handsome no agenda night ring. Send your size in and your address and they'll get that ring out to you along with some sealing wax, a certificate of authenticity so you can use it on all of your correspondence. And thank you for supporting the best damn podcast in the universe and becoming a knight of the roundtable. No title changes today. We do have some birthdays. Eli, the coffee guy wishes his son Ethan a very happy birthday. He is turning three today. A happy birthday to Sir Camera Chris and Dame Tony. Health, health wishes, sir. Be with a wife, eye of the flying chickens. A very happy birthday. Yeah, where some of those names come from, I don't even want to know.

[Larry Blightner]

I don't know. But they're cool. Dig them.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yes, they are. And now we have some meetup reports. What? We have plenty of of meetup reports. All right, let me get the audio. We have got 10 meetups. The JCD memorial meetups were plentiful, which is beautiful. And all of the folks that sent in the meetup reports. I'm expecting a lot more on Thursday or a few that were worried about the audio. Never worry about the audio. It is about the spirit of the thing. First we have the Kelapuya Brewing in Albany, Oregon and they said it was a great crowd. The tone was somber, but they still had a great time discussing our favorite memories of jcd. That from Sir M. Madson of the Mid Valley.

[Adam Curry]

This is Sir M Mad Son of the Mid Valley coming to you from the Albany, Oregon meetup at Kalapuya Brewing. It was a great time had by all. I'm so pass around the phone ITM and we miss you John in the morning. JCD RIP hey, this is Libby. We came all the way from Coos Bay which is about three hours away for this meetup. Thank you to Sir M for putting

[Darren O'Neill]

it on and Dame Drea for encouraging

[Adam Curry]

him to put it on and it's just been a really awesome meetup.

[Larry Blightner]

John and Pat at the meetup honoring jcd.

[Darren O'Neill]

Love to you Mamie. Hey, this is Sir Victor Baron of the Willamette Valley. I think we have about 16 people

[Larry Blightner]

here here in Albany, Oregon in the morning. This is Sir David Adama.

[Adam Curry]

It's my first meetup and it's going great. Hopefully no agenda continues for a long time.

[Darren O'Neill]

Sir Jules was Reed here. This is my first meetup too.

[Larry Blightner]

Not exactly the reason why I wanted

[Adam Curry]

to attend a meetup, but glad I came in the morning. Oh, ITM it's Betty in the morning.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is Jeff.

[Adam Curry]

It's in the morning.

[Darren O'Neill]

RIP JCD in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

We had a great meetup and we will miss you John and Adam. We love you. All right.

[Darren O'Neill]

In the morning, John.

[Larry Blightner]

You're going to be missed by all of us.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you so much for everything and thanks to the Dvorak family for sharing

[Larry Blightner]

it with us for so long. In the morning. R I P J CD

[Darren O'Neill]

oh, that's nice. Then up next on the list, the local 512 meetup put together by Sir Scott. The black Viscount of the no Agenda Armory. Said there were close to 40 people. He clipped it as tight as he could, but it's a bit long. That's okay. He says wish that Adam and Tina were here. Please give my love and prayers to the Dvorak family. And here's what that one sounds like. Like this is Viscount Scott of the

[Larry Blightner]

Armory doing our JCD Memorial meetup in Sunset Valley, Texas.

[Darren O'Neill]

We miss you John.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, this is Sir Matt Wells, Black

[Darren O'Neill]

Knight of the Austin Petty Cabbies, coming

[Larry Blightner]

to you from the JCD Memorial meetup

[Darren O'Neill]

at docks in Sunset Valley, Texas and

[Larry Blightner]

just want to Remind everybody to stay

[Adam Curry]

safe and paint your roof blue in the morning.

[Darren O'Neill]

Baron of South Austin here. All my financial assets are frozen until I can get a Zephyr report. Hey, it's Mike from the DC Spook. Or that's what John C. Devorah called me. And I just want to say we miss John Adam, Mimi, the Devore clan, where we feel your loss. This is dirty Jersey whore. Y' all be good. This is Baron, Dr. Cox. All right, RIP ITM JCD. Pour one out for JCD.

[Larry Blightner]

All aboard.

[Darren O'Neill]

Love you, JCD. Can't wait to meet you up in heaven in the morning. This is Michael. The show will never be the same without John.

[Adam Curry]

Sean Ryan from Valenty in the morning

[Darren O'Neill]

to you Ms. JCD. He was my pessimistic critical thinking mentor

[Adam Curry]

in the world of touch screens and iPhones.

[Darren O'Neill]

John was right about the mouse.

[Larry Blightner]

Hey, it's Sir Brian with an.

[Darren O'Neill]

I just want to let you know that news guard reduced the score of

[Larry Blightner]

the New York Times for their credibility after I told them about John's birthday.

[Darren O'Neill]

In the morning. In the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Hiponation. Dame G Money here driving in from Mineral Wells to get that good old fashioned gitmonation connection.

[Larry Blightner]

Hello, my name is Shoshana.

[Darren O'Neill]

I'm here with Dame G. I went

[Adam Curry]

to college with her four but I'm having a blast.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is Keani and the non genda

[Adam Curry]

meetup and this is Aaron here in Austin. We got our two human resources and we're happy to be here. Happy to be here in the morning.

[Darren O'Neill]

Hey, this is Baron Alexavala out of Kylie, Texas. RIP John in the morning. Andrew from Austin. Not a douchebag.

[Adam Curry]

First time meetup though.

[Larry Blightner]

Hey, this is Brendan from Local 512

[Adam Curry]

saying in the morning sorry about your friend Adam.

[Darren O'Neill]

Long live the buzz kill from Black Dame Loca. So in the morning, no agenda nation. We are at the meetup for Buzz Kills Memorial at Sunset Valley. Even though he has gone to the Shades Lounge in the sky, will continue to live his legacy, I presume.

[Adam Curry]

Stella, I'm Vega's wife and we wish all the families the best of luck

[Larry Blightner]

and we always have our prayers and kids, please say hey in the morning.

[Darren O'Neill]

Oh, this is Cameron.

[Adam Curry]

This is Whitney from docs in Texas. I got ants in my pants.

[Darren O'Neill]

My name is Serenity now. It's been great. Got a lot of people I have seen in forever.

[Adam Curry]

Had a great time. Hey, this is Kristen in the morning. I miss you jcd. Thanks Adam for everything.

[Darren O'Neill]

Love you guys. Thoughts and prayers are with you, Mimi

[Adam Curry]

and family from Dame Jeanette of alum star sky.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is Rob, your constitutional lawyer.

[Adam Curry]

John via condios.

[Darren O'Neill]

Adam, everybody has your back. Baron Gordon Walton here. 45 years of KCD was not enough for me. See you in the afterlife.

[Larry Blightner]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

Got you, man.

[Darren O'Neill]

My name is Wes Groski, a bartender at docs.

[Adam Curry]

I'm taking care of the no agenda group.

[Darren O'Neill]

Seem like some good guys taking care of me. Cool for people to meet, man. Man, I think if we do ever do a meetup, it should be in Texas.

[Larry Blightner]

Definitely. They've got the spirit big time time.

[Darren O'Neill]

They're having way too much fun.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah. Like that.

[Darren O'Neill]

A lot of names that I recognize in there. Thanks for recording that. Thanks for sending that in and thanks for paying tribute to jcd. Up next is the Memphis JCD tribute meetup that was put together by Commodore tech guy Tai in the morning. No agenda nation.

[Adam Curry]

This is Commodore tech guy Ty at High Cotton Brewing.

[Darren O'Neill]

We're at the Memphis JCD memorial meetup in the morning. The SIR9. Forever grateful for the recalibration of my BS detector from John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Memory eternal with deepest sympathies in the morning for Miles Nick here. Love you guys.

[Larry Blightner]

I love my truck and I love

[Darren O'Neill]

what I do, sir. Maggot having a hard time following that up. Love you guys.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Shell sending love and light to all of you.

[Darren O'Neill]

Thank you for your courage.

[Larry Blightner]

Jcd.

[Adam Curry]

We are mourning in the morning. Thank you so much, jcd. You are not forgotten here, sir. No, please. Thank you for all that you've done, jcd. Long live JCD in the morning.

[Darren O'Neill]

In the morning. Yeah. A lot of closure going on all around the world.

[Larry Blightner]

Definitely.

[Darren O'Neill]

Including up next year. We have the purse. No agenda producers JCD tribute meetup they say our sincere condolences for John's passing. Our meetup was a mix of celebrating John's life with fond memories and laughs as well as a somber tribute to a man we all respected and admired. Stay strong, brother. The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. And they included a photo and two of the guys wearing the photo of JCD that giving the salute with big text on the top that said it's a scam.

[Larry Blightner]

I love it.

[Darren O'Neill]

No agenda shop. You need to make those. Those were cool.

[Larry Blightner]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, J.C. in the morning. We're really gonna miss you.

[Darren O'Neill]

You're the uncle that I never had.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for the wisdom. Thank you for the guidance.

[Darren O'Neill]

Thank you for the many, many stories.

[Adam Curry]

The going to miss you, brother. And to Adam and the family. All the best and we're all going to support you.

[Darren O'Neill]

No agenda.

[Larry Blightner]

Through and through.

[Adam Curry]

Take care.

[Larry Blightner]

It's the greatest scam in the universe, Borac.

[Darren O'Neill]

The world is a worst place without you in it. May the slaves aspire to your greatness. Come on, mate.

[Larry Blightner]

Come back to us. John.

[Adam Curry]

It's all a scam.

[Larry Blightner]

You were right.

[Darren O'Neill]

In the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks, Adam.

[Darren O'Neill]

JCD in the morning, this is Sir

[Larry Blightner]

Richard Bellanz down Under.

[Darren O'Neill]

Mimi, Adam and family. Love is lit. This is bull crap in the Morning

[Adam Curry]

for John C. Dvorak.

[Darren O'Neill]

What a legend. Here we are in Fremantle, Western Australia on a cold wet day. In the morning.

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, in the morning.

[Darren O'Neill]

Very much so sad about the times

[Larry Blightner]

that we're in J. CD picked a

[Darren O'Neill]

good time to exit and commissions to Adam and families and Mimi and families and yeah, made the show go on in some format. In the morning. In the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Mimi, we're so sorry for you and your family.

[Darren O'Neill]

The loss of JCD must be so hard for you right now.

[Larry Blightner]

But Adam, we feel for you too.

[Adam Curry]

We're here celebrating JCD's life with a

[Darren O'Neill]

great group of in the morning people and we love you. And in the morning, from Australia in the morning, this is producer Vangeli.

[Adam Curry]

I just want to say in memory of John Captain. My Captain led us through different ways of thinking.

[Larry Blightner]

You've led us through difficult times and

[Adam Curry]

we have all the fondest of memories. And this meetup is instead special dedication to everything that you've done.

[Larry Blightner]

You've left the world a much better place.

[Darren O'Neill]

You're not wrong about that.

[Larry Blightner]

Those aies, they're cool, man.

[Darren O'Neill]

They know how to party too. Just like Texas.

[Larry Blightner]

They do, yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Next up, Hamilton, Ontario. The JCD tribute meetup. Three of us had a small but very enjoyable meetup at the fool and Flagging pub in Hamilton, Ontario. Canada attaches the audio big thank you to Sir Dwight the night for organizing it and it was sent in by Sir Chris in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is Sir Dwight the knight at the Hamilton Memorial for JCD meetup. And we all miss you, John.

[Larry Blightner]

Everybody stay strong and thank you for your courage.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna pass the phone around now in the morning. This is Kanil from Hamilton, Ontario meetup.

[Darren O'Neill]

And I'm gonna miss John and I'm gonna miss his humor and wit and

[Adam Curry]

yeah, we'll remember you as long as we listen to this show. And finally, this is Sir Chris, also Hamilton, Ontario.

[Darren O'Neill]

Rest in power, jcd.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for your courage.

[Darren O'Neill]

And just one final question. Is this going to delay the vinegar bottle? It's being rolled into another Dvorak family cookbook. From what I understand.

[Larry Blightner]

That's cool.

[Darren O'Neill]

I didn't know that if what I heard correctly during one of those of the tribute shows. If anybody hasn't gotten through the longer of the tribute shows, they are well worth it. Just break them up. A lot of great stories, a lot of great information. And yeah, the vinegar book was real. It was just. I think it was Mimi that said it was more of a pamphlet than a book.

[Larry Blightner]

So that I remember saying that. Yeah, it's like.

[Darren O'Neill]

It makes sense. I mean it's vinegar. Go to get too many eggs. Too many eggs dot com. Start there and then move on. The next one is Wilmington, Delaware. Remembering JCD Meetup. It says. Hi Adam. This is our meetup report for remembering JCD from Wilmington, Delaware. Thank you for everything you do. You are an angel.

[Adam Curry]

We're here for the meetup at Delaware park in Wilmington, Delaware. My name's Josh checking in.

[Larry Blightner]

Amy, checking in.

[Adam Curry]

Sarcastic nomad love you mean it?

[Darren O'Neill]

No, Homo Ed from Downingtown, RIP jcd.

[Adam Curry]

And thanks for.

[Darren O'Neill]

For a good run to Mooncash. Yes. Yeah, definitely a good run. Nobody can argue that. Up next, the Sonoma Wino country meetup, which I like the 10.0. I don't know if that just keeps like windows. Windows 10? Is that what that's like? In the morning, Adam. Sir Zelbot made a little hiccup on it. Oh, we got. I took care of that. I did the editing so you don't have to. Let's see. Thank you for your courage, Sir. Recalcitrant Crazy Steve II in the morning. This is Sir Rick Halserton.

[Larry Blightner]

Crazy Steve II here at sonoma County Meetup 10.0. Reminiscent about JCD.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is Sir Reichmeister.

[Larry Blightner]

We love you, John. We all miss you. This is a dude named Ben.

[Adam Curry]

Named Ben Duke of San Francisco. John, you will be missed. It won't be the same without you. And there won't be as much laughter on Sundays, that's for sure. Good afternoon. Tim Freeman.

[Darren O'Neill]

Not a night, not a douche.

[Adam Curry]

Placerville, California RIP John, Sir Zulbat here. And we hope that we're. We're right back where we started at the meetup. First place we ever met up here in Sonoma County. We just hope that John C. Dvorak understands that how much we loved him. Sir Robertson of Two Sticks here. Thanks for the memories, John.

[Darren O'Neill]

It was a pleasure to meet you on several occasions. Lydia of the shire here on 88 8. The perfect day to send love and light to JCD. Rest in peace, JCD. Very nicely done.

[Larry Blightner]

Really? Yes.

[Darren O'Neill]

Then we have the Denver. Love it. Love is lit. JCD Memorial meetup says in the morning. Podfather kind of edited. Sorry about the background noise, sir. Beta vita, sir. Veto. I mean, I need some veno to be able to say sir. Veto. And never worry about the background. There's nothing you can do when you go into a bar or wherever you're meeting. And if there's music, it doesn't matter.

[Larry Blightner]

Doesn't.

[Darren O'Neill]

Hey, folks, live out here in Denver city Park.

[Adam Curry]

Got the love is lit for JCD memorial meetup.

[Darren O'Neill]

Gonna pass the phone around.

[Adam Curry]

This is Elise.

[Larry Blightner]

We're missing the Colorado Care Bear and

[Adam Curry]

Jim tonight and we will miss you forever.

[Darren O'Neill]

Jcd, this is Brian, also known as Soothsayer John. I'm gonna miss you. I for Will for always remember you as the guy who always screamed I get no spam. This is Colin. Missing you, John, and Club 33 and your squeaky chair in the morning.

[Larry Blightner]

This is sir European Steven.

[Adam Curry]

As my neighbors call me Steven.

[Larry Blightner]

It's actually Stefan, but yeah, itm.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you, John, for your courage.

[Darren O'Neill]

This is very gringo.

[Adam Curry]

You're an inspiration for anybody who wants to get into entertainment. Keep it up. God bless, sir Scott. Pouring one out to John, who kept

[Larry Blightner]

myself and so many others from being

[Adam Curry]

a part of the six week cycle.

[Larry Blightner]

Jcd, I love you.

[Adam Curry]

Changed my life. Stay safe in the next round.

[Darren O'Neill]

And yeah, he was an entertainer above, beyond.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Comedic timing. Had the witness, I would have gone to see JCD do stand up. That would have been.

[Larry Blightner]

That would have been trippy. Yeah. Very different style.

[Darren O'Neill]

Or you think it'd be like Bobby Sladen. You know, just do the.

[Larry Blightner]

No, I'm thinking him like Stephen Wright. More like that.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah. Mixed with Miller, maybe. You know, it's.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

Up next, the sonomish snow homish Washington JCD memorial meetup. This tried to take out the silent. Oh, it's a little orgay. Thank you. No oreo. Everybody's worried about the silence or the background noise. We just want to hear what was going on and how much fun you were having reminiscing about the late great JCD in the morning. This is Cory Hernandez reaching out from the snohomish medium that our wonderful dame hosted, which is awesome. Thank you so much and I'll pass the phone down. John, thanks for a lot of great years. I wasn't around for a lot of

[Adam Curry]

them, but the few of them that

[Darren O'Neill]

I was around for were definitely great. Adam, keep going. We appreciate you, man. And just Adam. Philippians 3:13.

[Adam Curry]

That's Philippians 3. 13.

[Darren O'Neill]

And for John, some of the.

[Adam Curry]

Some of the clips I'm gonna.

[Darren O'Neill]

For the clips I'm gonna remember are the.

[Adam Curry]

When he's really stoning.

[Darren O'Neill]

Hey, man.

[Larry Blightner]

Really for.

[Darren O'Neill]

And also when he went Mark Levin,

[Adam Curry]

you know, and either way, cheers. Appreciate it. All right, itm everybody. Miss you. John, this is Joe and Snohomish.

[Darren O'Neill]

Thanks.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Bemro's here.

[Darren O'Neill]

They finally got me out of the house. Some dude's phone. Well, Benro's left the house.

[Larry Blightner]

Can you imagine that? You get us. You gotta play this again.

[Darren O'Neill]

I gotta back this up.

[Larry Blightner]

I did.

[Darren O'Neill]

I did not know you had a Sir Bemro sighting at this meetup. Wow. And he. He was very much. What, like JCD's illegitimate child? I'm telling you, he was very much like JCD in a lot of ways. The homish. Thanks.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Bemro's here.

[Darren O'Neill]

They finally got me out of the house. So this is me podcasting into some dude's phone.

[Adam Curry]

ITM Teresa from Sish.

[Larry Blightner]

We'll miss you, John.

[Darren O'Neill]

Good luck and Godspeed.

[Larry Blightner]

Jcd, raise a glass of Kirkland Bordeaux when you get there for all of us.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Jack Ash here, the narcissistic Sasquatch. Just remembering JCD on 8826.

[Darren O'Neill]

Appreciate you. Appreciate everything you did. And yeah, Godspeed.

[Adam Curry]

This is Savannah Hernandez wrapping up the the meetup and we appreciate everything you

[Larry Blightner]

guys do, and we're happy to meet everybody here.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, that sounds like a good time.

[Larry Blightner]

It certainly does.

[Darren O'Neill]

And last but certainly not least on the meetups for this show, Central Jersey meetup on 8 8, 2026. ITM with the U with. We had another great meetup honoring jcd. The amazing thing is how everyone is so impacted by this loss. Darren and Larry are doing a great job. Well, thank you.

[Larry Blightner]

Thank you.

[Darren O'Neill]

John can never be replaced. We agree. It was great hearing Adam's voice on Thursday show. Thank you for your courage. Still devastated. Sir R. Daniels, Viscount slash Commodore. This is Sir R. Daniels with pronouns. Viscount and Commodore coming at you from the 3BR Distillery in Keyport, New Jersey, where we are certainly in the morning with a U.

[Adam Curry]

This is Dave Rip to the best part of TWiT.

[Darren O'Neill]

Thank you for giving us the courage to think. This is Bart, Rip, jcd.

[Adam Curry]

And this is from New Jersey, where

[Darren O'Neill]

we've had rigged elections for decades. This is Brian. John. We'll miss you, buddy.

[Adam Curry]

This is Jay Miss. And John C. Dwark already in the morning.

[Larry Blightner]

This is MK Ultra Mark checking in

[Darren O'Neill]

from the central New Jersey meetup.

[Larry Blightner]

And we are morning in the morning. This is Sir Nobody.

[Darren O'Neill]

Morning, John. And still confused that people have showed

[Larry Blightner]

up at my bar to drink with me

[Adam Curry]

in the morning. This is Dame she.

[Larry Blightner]

Fine. We're hydrating at 3br and just remembering John.

[Darren O'Neill]

And I'll never be able to do fist nuts again without thinking of John

[Adam Curry]

C.

[Larry Blightner]

Hi, this is Alex.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you all for coming to my distillery.

[Darren O'Neill]

Hey, this is Sir Voip of the Jersey Shore. I lost two great voices in my life this year.

[Adam Curry]

John Sterling of the New York Yankees and now jcd.

[Darren O'Neill]

RIP jcd, man, what an amazing bunch of meetup reports.

[Larry Blightner]

Really.

[Darren O'Neill]

We know we'll have a bunch of them on the next show because there were a lot of. Of the eight. Eight meetup reports. I mean, hey, if you can edit them, that's great, but we're not judging you based upon sound quality here. No. And it's just beautiful to hear everybody remembering John. I mean, I don't know. It's always interesting when somebody like John passes if he realized the impact that he had on people.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

And I. He doesn't seem like he had a big ego or anything.

[Larry Blightner]

I think he knew.

[Darren O'Neill]

I think he might even be a little surprised by the. The massive amount of outpouring because he was everybody's, you know, uncle or father figure or somebody. It's like I go to JCD for advice.

[Larry Blightner]

Sure.

[Darren O'Neill]

And of course, he always ripped my artwork on the show. And then in the emails I would trade, he was always so kind, complimentary. It's like people were. I mean, although Adam was dissing me at the time, you and I start doing shows and you're like, what? Why is Adam mad at you? It's like. It's a bit.

[Larry Blightner]

I know. It's funny, though.

[Darren O'Neill]

I bumped the microphone. I didn't mean to do that.

[Larry Blightner]

You're copying me. It's Jason.

[Darren O'Neill]

It's the spirit of jcd. There are a bunch of meetups upcoming, including a bunch today. Let's see, we have the. In the morning, Virginia. And thank you for your courage. JCD Meetup at the Gloucester, Virginia.

[Larry Blightner]

Gloucester Brewing Company.

[Darren O'Neill]

Gloucester Brewing Company. That is the organizer, Dame Trail Chicken.

[Larry Blightner]

Today at 5:00pm the WWJCDD at the Fox and Hound in Langley Township Bridge, British Columbia. Organizer, not a sir Hoots a lot.

[Darren O'Neill]

I also want that T shirt instead of the what would Jesus do? I want the what would jc.

[Adam Curry]

That's.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah, it's kind of cool.

[Darren O'Neill]

Today on there's no Time. It just says in the morning. JCD Rest in Power, 6pm Australian Eastern Standard Time at the Grape and Hop in Melbourne. Organizer GQ smooths today at in Amsterdam.

[Larry Blightner]

JCD memory at 6:30pm Amsterdam time bar rest Lily organizer Sebastian, please RSVP and

[Darren O'Neill]

then a long list. August 14th we have Queens, New York, Long Island, New York, Watts. I mean I'm right over there. I'm glad you knew that one. I'm just. No, and then of course, what's tbil seeds.

[Larry Blightner]

Tbilisi, Tbilisi, Georgia, South Caucasus region. Yes.

[Darren O'Neill]

And then I mean the easy ones. August 15th, Riverside, California Oakland, California. Yukon, Oklahoma. On the 16th, Dubuque, Iowa Norwood, Massachusetts Camp Hill, Pennsylvania Vancouver, British Columbia. Those are all on August 16th and you can take the next few.

[Larry Blightner]

On August 20th we've got Charlotte, North Carolina. On the 22nd it's going to be Fort Wayne, Indiana Chattanooga, Tennessee, Tennessee, Reno, Nevada on the 23rd, Indianapolis, Indiana, Benton, Arkansas, Albuquerque, New Mexico.

[Darren O'Neill]

August 29th we've got Rhode Island, Zurich, Switzerland. Oh that. I want to go to that one.

[Larry Blightner]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

August 30th, Chester Springs, Pennsylvania and then back to the 29th for Rhode Island. Wait, no, is that doubled? Chester Springs, Nebraska. Well, there's a Chester Springs, Nebraska and Pennsylvania listed. One of them must be right.

[Larry Blightner]

Wow, who would think.

[Darren O'Neill]

It's gotta be you gotta just be a misprint here.

[Larry Blightner]

Chester's a popular dude.

[Darren O'Neill]

Not sure which one it is. We'll have that for you about the by the next show, I'm sure. And then September 6th, Medford Lakes, New Jersey. The 12th in September, Boise, Idaho. The 15th, Scottsdale, Arizona. The 17th, Charlotte, North Carolina and you can take us home.

[Larry Blightner]

October 3rd, Midlands, United Kingdom. On the 10th it's Eagle, Idaho. On the 15th it's Charlotte, North Carolina. October 17th is Fredericksburg, Texas. October 24th, Smithville, Texas. October 24th also Los Altos, California. And lastly November 19th, Charlotte, North Carolina.

[Darren O'Neill]

Wow. If you don't see a meetup on there, you can get one yourself started up. Just go to no agendame meetups.com

[Larry Blightner]

there's

[Darren O'Neill]

a dame g money in there. It's a day. You know. Connection is protection. Adam says it a lot. It is true. And I need to get better at doing ISOs. I always forget to do the ISOs. I'm always looking for the clips and then forget to do the ISOs. But I did have a couple one,

[Larry Blightner]

this is

[Darren O'Neill]

Mickey Rourke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, whatever you say, boss. I mean there's, there's that and then a very similar vein oddly enough Adam and John. And then this one I know is just too self aggrandizing.

[Adam Curry]

Darren O' Neill, man, he just, he has it. He's got that magic.

[Larry Blightner]

There you go.

[Darren O'Neill]

So I'll let Larry pick that one. Which one do you like the most?

[Larry Blightner]

Oh, I think it's got to be yours.

[Darren O'Neill]

We got it. Well, we got to find John C. Dvorak crapping on your song that goes

[Larry Blightner]

back a few years.

[Darren O'Neill]

Hey, somebody's got to find that. They gotta bing it. They gotta do it and help us out. I mean a couple of people have come through with some other alternatives for opening show music and all that, but we need, we need a little refresh on some things that are very specific for John and Adam. So you know, if you can do that for us, it is very much appreciated that is going to do it for another edition of the best damn podcast in the universe according to Benbros in the back room. Coming up after this on your mighty no Agenda stream. Just two good old boys again. Isn't like twice in two shows interesting? I didn't know Ben Rose really liked Sir Gene and sir dude named Ben named Ben. That is a surprising. I was not aware of that. It's an interesting show. I mean Gene tells me it's an interesting show. I haven't listened recently, but he says it's a very interesting show. And would Gene lie?

[Larry Blightner]

No.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, don't, don't go out in the limb on that one end. The of show mixes. We have some from Gary and Gilroy. We've got Perth, no Agenda producers Mike and Pierretro, Sir Chris Wilson and csb. So coming to you live from just outside of Chirac right here in FEMA region number five in the morning everybody. I'm Darren o' Neill and from Pretentious

[Larry Blightner]

Connecticut, I'm Larry Blightner.

[Darren O'Neill]

It is always going to be pretentious, isn't it? Join us on Thursday and remember us atnoensafe donations.com. until then, hooey, Hooey. Thank you for your courage, Adi Os mofos and such. You know we do even have a show mix here kind of from csb. How the Irish Americans, Darren and Larry. I would like to tell two stories about John Sidvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Story number one.

[Darren O'Neill]

Many years ago when Dvorak was working

[Adam Curry]

for Miyevo and Adam Curry was his

[Darren O'Neill]

boss, I wanted to interview Dvorak for my podcast which was about tech. Dwarak didn't want to do it. So I contacted Adam Kerry and Adam Kerry told Dvorak to do it and Dvorak did it. It was done over Skype.

[Larry Blightner]

It was fun.

[Adam Curry]

Story number two, I was chatting with

[Darren O'Neill]

work over direct messages on Twitter and Work told me that his mother was

[Adam Curry]

born in Poland and she had Polish

[Darren O'Neill]

passport and I told Voak to get Polish citizenship which is equal to European

[Adam Curry]

Union citizenship with freedom of movement to EU countries and after Atlantis like Norway and Switzerland and Varak was angry that

[Darren O'Neill]

I suggested it and he blocked me

[Adam Curry]

on Twitter for several years. These are two stories from me Comics Tribe Blogger thank you for your service. A voice that questioned every headline's claim. A restless mind that never played the game with dry wit, wisdom and that knowing smile you challenged Easy answers all

[Larry Blightner]

the while beyond the microphone, your legacy remains in curious hearts and independent braves from the Perth no Agenda producers, we

[Darren O'Neill]

stand today

[Larry Blightner]

honoring John with gratitude that won't fade away. More than a podcast, more than sharp debate, you taught us all to think instead of taking every bait.

[Adam Curry]

Though the studio feels quieter and one chair is bare, your humor and your

[Larry Blightner]

insight still linger in the air there. So here's our final toast in the morning.

[Darren O'Neill]

Once again

[Larry Blightner]

your voice lives on, old friend.

[Darren O'Neill]

We'll keep the questions coming, keep the

[Larry Blightner]

skepticism true because that's the gift you left us. And the work continues to. From the Personal Agenda producers in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Kilo juliet 6 lima, november golf, this is km4flg.

[Darren O'Neill]

Kilo juliet 6 lima, november golf, this is km4flg.

[Larry Blightner]

Bottles of wine paced beyond their budget from a messy desk leaving silence on

[Darren O'Neill]

the air silence on the air.

[Larry Blightner]

Season rising greater stubborn, eccentric, presciently cool glamorous fanfare

[Adam Curry]

out his window there

[Larry Blightner]

far beyond the mud flags counting cars on his FX. Snark fueled mischief and infested you Tape of the day watching for potholes from a messy desk smiling for from the sky he's counting cars on a zephyr. Cars on his effort.

[Darren O'Neill]

Last call kilo juliet 6 lima, november golf, this is km4flg.

[Larry Blightner]

Smiling from the sky he's counting cars on his father.

[Darren O'Neill]

Nothing heard John Godspeed brother. 73s in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for your service.

[Darren O'Neill]

So anyway, so I I still have an problem, I say, but nothing like Hillary.

[Adam Curry]

So there's a lot of Oz in

[Darren O'Neill]

there, but there's so many us there's no reason to edit it.

[Adam Curry]

Although maybe I will now.

[Darren O'Neill]

But I have the ringer and so I'm gonna ring the bell and we'll try to keep count. Ready?

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[Darren O'Neill]

Well, for that kind of money you would too. So. So there's this guy, Patrick Seal. Then all of a sudden let's change

[Adam Curry]

the news and kill Whitney Houston.

[Darren O'Neill]

So I wonder why.

[Adam Curry]

Trying to and then Mimi will be reaching out to you with information about your ring.

[Larry Blightner]

So I have a couple of Ask

[Adam Curry]

Adams today, which are nice features. Oh, yeah, I'd love to do an Ask Adam. Forget I even mentioned it. We don't want any of that.

[Darren O'Neill]

They're always meddling.

[Adam Curry]

We don't want that.

[Darren O'Neill]

So you notice that Ron Paul came

[Adam Curry]

in a really strong thanks apple calculator. Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

So I thought this was interesting.

[Adam Curry]

There's a letter that.

[Larry Blightner]

That went out.

[Adam Curry]

Fart jokes are great. We need more fart jokes. So I'm sorry. Go ahead. Nothing to do with the Chinas. Nothing to do with. Don't look over here.

[Darren O'Neill]

So we got a couple good donations this week. Mailchimp.

[Larry Blightner]

Mailchimp.

[Darren O'Neill]

Mailchimp. Mailchimp was burdened. All right, all right. I say mailchimp a lot. So I've got a couple of clips from this day.

[Larry Blightner]

David Wollman and these drone strikes are

[Adam Curry]

taking place in Balochistan. I just want you to be informed, that's all.

[Darren O'Neill]

So, yeah, you don't want to be too informed.

[Adam Curry]

You don't want anyone thinking about what

[Darren O'Neill]

we're doing with the government.

[Adam Curry]

Quick, switch the tracks.

[Darren O'Neill]

Yeah, that's what they do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Darren O'Neill]

So I've got a clip that might lighten things up.

[Larry Blightner]

No, just kidding.

[Darren O'Neill]

So you're terrible. I tried. There's so many us.

[Adam Curry]

There's a lot of Oz in there. Holly came from Miami, fla. From the state. But you can't say gay Teaching grade schools, children, art if I get them to draw her private part said hey babe, take a walk on the child side and said hey Disney, take a

[Larry Blightner]

walk on the child side. Candy came to the kindergarten in the

[Adam Curry]

classroom Showing all the kids her heart on but she never even stopped even when they called the cops she said, hey babe, take a walk on the child side and said hey, comma pizza take a walk on the child side

[Darren O'Neill]

and the people of color go no justice, no justice.

[Larry Blightner]

No justice, no justice.

[Adam Curry]

President Joey was just sniffing away

[Darren O'Neill]

kiddies

[Adam Curry]

at the White House who came to play

[Darren O'Neill]

a fondle here and a touch

[Adam Curry]

up there Always sniffing children's hair he said, hey babe, take a walk on the child side I said, hey Joe, take a walk on the child side. Sugar plum furry hit the streets looking for anime and some teenage weebs gave some kid at a department store A

[Darren O'Neill]

whole lot more than they had bargained

[Adam Curry]

for he said, hey babe, take a

[Larry Blightner]

walk on the child side and said, hey, Nickelodeon, take a walk on the child side. Jackie was just grooming, grooming away

[Adam Curry]

Pretend

[Larry Blightner]

to be a teen for just one

[Adam Curry]

day, but I guess he had to get bashed. Honey pot would have helped that smash. He said, hey, babe, take a walk

[Darren O'Neill]

on the child side.

[Larry Blightner]

He said, hey, cnn, take a walk

[Adam Curry]

on the child's side.

[Darren O'Neill]

And the Woodchippers, The best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

Adios, mofo.

[Darren O'Neill]

Dvorak.org Na

[Adam Curry]

Darren O', Neill, man, he just. He has it. He's got that magic.