No Bullsh!t Leadership:

Episode 371 – How I Learned to Consistently Produce Phenomenal Results

Host: Martin G Moore | Release Date: October 7, 2025

Episode Overview

In this highly practical, implementation-focused episode, Martin G Moore delves into his personal journey of bridging the gap between leadership and management, sharing how he learned to produce “phenomenal results” consistently throughout his career. Spurred by a provocative Simon Sinek article, Moore debunks popular leadership-versus-management myths, unpacks lessons from his own executive missteps, and lays out a framework of six essentials for predictable high performance. This episode is packed with real-world insights, memorable quotes, self-assessment tips, and Moore’s signature “no bullsh*t” approach.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Debunking the Leadership vs. Management Dichotomy

[02:10 – 06:45]

Trigger for the Episode: Simon Sinek’s LinkedIn post detailing "Five Things Managers do that Leaders Never Would," which Moore and listener Daniel Sullivan both call out as oversimplified.
Moore’s Take:

"Let’s be real here. These aren’t management versus leadership things. They’re just differences between people." (Martin G Moore, 04:00)
Continuum Concept: Leadership and management exist on a spectrum. You cannot be great at one without being competent at the other.

2. Personal Leadership Journey: Recognizing Blind Spots

[06:50 – 12:55]

Early career: Moore felt he was a good leader but a poor manager, suffering from missed deliverables and surprises due to insufficient oversight.
Self-Reflection:

“Humility is just one failure away.” (Martin G Moore, 07:36)
His fundamental learning: High-level leadership must be blended with strong management skills for repeatable success.

3. The Six Elements to Consistent Phenomenal Results

[13:10 – 26:45]

Martin Moore reviews six skills, rating his own progress and encouraging listeners to self-assess.

1. Adapt for Individual Capability

Use situational leadership: Increase or decrease prescriptiveness based on team member experience.
Quote:

“When you ask someone if they understand something, they’ll almost always say yes... but when they don’t, it’s sort of a problem.” (14:24)
Start: 6/10 → End: 10/10

2. Make Expectations Abundantly Clear

Clarity of objectives is driven through repeated one-on-ones and regular feedback.
Advice: “Just when you think you’ve explained your expectations more times than you could possibly stomach, explain them once more for good measure.” (16:30)
Start: 7/10 → End: 9/10

3. Give Your People Autonomy

Balance trust versus oversight; giving too much autonomy can backfire if not earned.
Quote: “If you give people enough rope, they’ll hang themselves... but I found by giving people too much rope, they just disappeared into the distance and I couldn’t see them anymore.” (17:40)
Maintained at 9/10

4. Track Progress Through Time

Don’t lose track of elapsed time on tasks or decisions, especially with busy schedules.
Use written notes and templates to drive accountability and avoid letting items languish.
Start: 6/10 → End: 8/10

5. Trust but Verify

Shift from “tell me” to “show me”—ask for evidence, not just verbal assurances.
Quote:

"Trust but verify became an essential part of being able to execute consistently." (20:42)
“You never catch up. You can either cut scope or burn resources, but you never catch up.” (22:15)
Start: 6/10 → End: 9/10

6. Maintain Ironclad Accountabilities

Single-point accountability is non-negotiable for elite results; clarity and consequences are crucial.
Quote:

“People were held to account and they felt both the sweet rewards and the sting of consequences for their performance.” (24:09)
Start: 8/10 → End: 10/10

4. Self-Assessment and Action Tools

[12:30 / 13:05, throughout]

Moore offers a free PDF self-assessment download for listeners to rate themselves on the six elements.
Emphasis: “You can change anything you want to if you focus on it methodically.” (13:05)

5. Critical Closing Thoughts

[26:45 – 28:20]

Consistency and predictability in results come not just from having effective teams but from applying and refining the right management techniques.
Moore plugs his flagship program, Leadership Beyond the Theory, for deeper actionable transformation.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“Leadership and management live on a continuum within a spectrum of subtle gradients. They’re intrinsically linked and they can’t be separated by black and white distinctions.” (Martin G Moore, 05:35)
“I had the trust part sort of nailed, but the verify part was still really weak and I paid the price for it.” (Martin G Moore, 21:04)
“Listening is easy. Leading is hard.” (Martin G Moore, 28:01)

Timestamps for Key Segments

02:10 – Simon Sinek’s “Leaders vs. Managers” critique
06:50 – Moore’s early blind spots in management
13:10 – Introduction of the six essentials for phenomenal results
14:24 – Adapting to individual capability
16:30 – Ensuring clarity in expectations
17:40 – Autonomy: Trust, but not blind trust
19:30 – The importance of tracking progress
20:42 – “Trust but verify” in practice
24:09 – Single-point accountability
26:45 – Lessons learned & self-assessment offer
28:01 – Closing reminder: “Listening is easy. Leading is hard.”

Summary Takeaway

Martin G Moore’s journey illustrates that exceptional leadership is inseparable from high-level management discipline. By diagnosing his own weaknesses and methodically developing six foundational skills—adapting for individuals, clarifying expectations, enabling autonomy, tracking progress, verifying action, and maintaining accountability—he achieved consistent, outstanding results. This episode cuts through leadership platitudes, offering actionable wisdom for any aspiring high-performance leader.

Transcript

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This episode started with a Simon Sinek post on LinkedIn and ended up being one of the most practical, implementation focused episodes that I've ever done. The Sinek article was titled Five Things Managers do that Leaders Never Would. I didn't even need to weigh in on this one. Another leader stepped up and called it for what it was. Daniel Sullivan from Denver, Colorado made this I have to call BS on this post. One of the many who would agree is no Bullshit Leadership author Martin G. Moore, because his Mythbuster podcast episode 267 management versus what's the difference? Makes the following Everyone wants to work for great leader, but if that leader isn't also a good manager, you'll experience the downside impacts pretty quickly. So the next time you see that banal LinkedIn graphic explaining why leaders are good and managers are bad, Simon Sinning he's calling you out. You'll know better than to be sucked in by it without remorse or apology. I'm happy to use the terms interchangeably. Well, thanks Dan. I'm genuinely glad that you dragged me into this discussion. It got me thinking more fundamentally about the Nature of Leadership and Management the best leaders understand why high order management skills are core to their success. In my early executive roles I was a much better leader than I was a manager, and that was a real problem. On a few occasions I was blindsided by substandard performance. My path to success wasn't about becoming a better leader, it was about working out how to manage my people more tightly without becoming a micromanager and without over functioning for them. Today I'm going to share that journey with you. I'll start by briefly addressing the leadership versus Management dilemma that many people are so fixated on. I'll talk about my own journey and how I learned to improve my management skills to complement my leadership approach. And I'm going to finish with some tips to help you improve your execution capability so that you can consistently produce phenomenal results. So let's get into it Simon Sinek's blog makes some very black and white distinctions between management and leadership. The five things that the title of the article refers to are these Managers hoard information, leaders over share, Managers weaponise policy, Leaders bend the rules for their people, Managers fire fast, Leaders coach then help their people land softly. Managers avoid hard conversation, Leaders run towards them, Managers reward compliance, leaders reward dissent. Let's be real here. These aren't management versus leadership things. They're just differences between people. I could just as easily substitute the words some leaders wherever the article uses the word managers. And I could substitute the word others wherever the article uses the word leaders. Let me show you what I mean. Some leaders hoard information, others overshare. Some leaders weaponise policy, Others bend the rules for their people. Some leaders fire fast, Others coach then help their people to land softly. Some leaders avoid hard conversations and others run towards them. Some leaders reward compliance, others reward dissent. Now doesn't that just make so much more sense? One of the quotes from my Mythbuster episode on leadership versus Management explains this phenomenon pretty clearly. Leadership and management live on a continuum within a spectrum of subtle gradients. They're intrinsically linked and they can't be separated by black and white distinctions. You can't be a great leader unless you're also a good manager. And the converse is true too. You can't be a great manager unless you're also a good leader. I didn't genuinely understand the difference until I was able to recognise the flaws in my own execution approach and put the work in to correct them. My journey, which probably lasted for about two decades, taught me that high order leadership acumen blended with strong management skills is the only way to consistently produce phenomenal results. When I use the term execution excellence, I'm referring to how effectively you can take the resources that you have at your disposal, people, money and assets, and use them to deliver exceptional results. I thought I was brilliant at execution, my teams delivered incredible outcomes and I built a strong track record. I may have even started to believe my own bullshit. But humility is just one failure away. This goes all the way back to my early days as a project manager in the software industry. After a few years of what I'd now describe as complete ineptitude, I finally learned how to get results. I was already applying an early version of what became the no Bullshit Leadership framework, but there were still some big holes that I couldn't yet see. For the most part, I could deliver outcomes in incredibly challenging circumstances. But interestingly, I had an Achilles heel. My style and approach worked perfectly well when I had high quality people reporting to me. Now, I'm not talking just about high performers. I'm also talking about the people who exhibited the right values and behaviours. People who already understood accountability and were strong enough to bring any big issues into the open when they needed to be addressed. Because these were my own values, I tended to hire a lot of people who had the same behavioural biases. But not everyone was like that. As we know, hiring is an imprecise science. What I worked out was that my particular style worked superbly for my high performing direct reports, who were strong and confident. But for others, it just wasn't that effective. And I hadn't yet worked out that I needed to adapt my one size fits all style, the one that mostly worked for me, to a more consistent and surgical approach. For a start, the fact that I was very open and direct, which I did and still do consider to be a great leadership strength, was probably a little intimidating for some of my people. I can see now why they might have been a little reluctant to fess up to a problem, particularly in a group setting. As I look back now, I reckon I was always pretty good at a few things. Setting challenging but realistic expectations, giving clear, direct feedback, aligning tasks to the big picture objectives, being a sounding board for my people to solve problems and make decisions. Staying out of my people's day to day work, bringing motivation and pragmatic optimism to every situation and remaining calm and relaxed in the face of challenges, adversity and crises. That's a pretty good laundry list, right? But now let me tell you where my blind spot was. I didn't inspect the outputs Thoroughly. And because of that, there were a few situations where I got a nasty surprise. A project that wasn't quite as far advanced as I'd been told. A deal that hadn't quite been signed and locked down. A scope of work that wasn't quite contained. A milestone that hadn't quite been met. A budget that wasn't quite under control. Now I just want to reflect for a minute on where we started, the difference between leadership and management. The parts of my toolkit that I was very proficient in would have a bias towards leadership. The tools that I was lacking would probably be more classified as management. And it was here that my growth had to come. I have no doubt that becoming a better manager infinitely improved my leadership performance. Now I knew I just couldn't paper over the cracks. I had to rebuild how I worked. So I adopted the classic Ronald Reagan quote as my mantra. Trust but verify. I had the trust part sort of nailed, but the verify part was still really weak and I paid the price for it on more than one occasion. I'm going to take you through the six things that I chose to focus on so that I could consistently produce phenomenal results. Remember, I was already pretty good at this, but it wasn't the predictable performance sausage machine that I would have ideally liked. Just for shits and giggles, I'm going to give you a sense of my progress with each of these six elements over the years. I'm going to award myself a 1 to 10 rating for where I think I was when I realised I had the hole in my execution capability. And I'll give myself a 110 rating for where I eventually managed to land a couple of decades later. If nothing else, this should give you the sense that you can change anything you want to if you focus on it methodically. To make this easy for you to sort through the process, I've produced a free PDF downloadable that you can use to rate yourself against these criteria. You can download this for free@yourcamentor.com Episode 371 Before I dive into the six things, just remember all of this assumes that you're working on the right things. That you've isolated the most valuable initiatives, tasks and activities and that you're focused only on delivering those. If you aren't working on the right things, you're going to deliver nothing brilliantly. Check out my Moments with Marty episode from the end of July this year. It's Moment 131. What's your team's value delivery rating? In five minutes, I guarantee that you're Going to develop a completely new perspective. Alright, my six things to help you consistently produce phenomenal results. Number 1. Adapt for individual capability. I used to assume that everyone was smart, competent and diligent. And most of the people I hired actually were. They knew what their job was and I was there to support them. If they needed me, I'd give them direction and I'd make sure I had their agreement that they knew what they were doing and they knew how to do it. Here's problem number one. When you ask someone if they understand something, they'll almost always say yes. Which is fine when they do understand it, but when they don't, it's sort of a problem. Now, leaders often dismiss this as simply a communication breakdown. But more often than not, people just aren't prepared to tell you what's really going on for them. They want to seem capable and competent. This is where I started to rely more on situational leadership theory. I worked out how to adapt my style depending on the capability and the maturity of the person I was leading. For people who are less experienced, I was more prescriptive. For people who are more experienced, I tended to let them go. Some were so out of their depth that I had to put them on short interval control, which means I met with them regularly to make sure they were on track. Of course, we're going to pick up this bit later when we start talking about accountability. When it came to adapting my style for individual capability at the start of my executive career, I reckon I was a 6 out of 10. But by the end I reckon I'd turned that into a 10. 2. Make your expectations abundantly clear. Giving people extreme clarity around your expectations is vital.