Austin Reaves' Dream Week & On This Pod We Respect The Cup

Summary

No Dunks Podcast

Episode: Austin Reaves' Dream Week & On This Pod We Respect The Cup (October 30, 2025)

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Overview

In this lively No Dunks episode, Skeets, Tas, Trey, and JD recap a dramatic week in the NBA, with a major spotlight on Austin Reaves’ heroic run for the Lakers and a buzzer-beating win. The discussion weaves through a slate of wild finishes across the league, debates over which teams should smash the panic button, injury concerns to stars like Trae Young and Anthony Davis, and the crew’s annual deep-dive into the upcoming NBA Cup — a tournament the No Dunks squad, as ever, pledges undying respect for. There’s also nostalgia, color-court debates, plenty of “white guy season” jokes, and group-by-group cup predictions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Austin Reaves’ “Dream Week” and Lakers Recap

• [02:55-09:45]
  • The pod opens by marveling at Austin Reaves, who dropped a buzzer-beating 12-footer to cap off the Lakers’ 116-115 win over Minnesota. Hot on the heels of a 51-point game, the hosts debate whether this is Reaves’ “Jeremy Lin” moment.
  • Tas: “It’s Austin Reaves for me... just a smooth move... He gets up and bangs it home, that was slicker [than Ja’s].” [03:53]
  • Skeets: “People are saying this is like his Jeremy Lin moment right now... [but] he was a better player... Reaves has improved a ton and yeah, that’s a great looking contract.” [05:02-05:29]
  • Reeves is praised for fearlessness and sustained All-NBA level play, especially as a pick-and-roll handler. The panel wonders how he’ll blend with Luka and LeBron when healthy.
  • Trey: “It’s just five games, but Austin Reaves is All-NBA right now... The pick and roll game looks awesome. He’s running the second most pick and rolls per game in the league, behind Luka... Timberwolves couldn’t handle him last night.” [06:13-07:00]
• The supporting cast gets love: Jake LaRavia (27 points), Deandre Ayton (double-digit boards and great chemistry on the PnR), Dalton Knecht (15 off the bench).

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Around the Association: Game Winners, Stars, and New Faces

• [09:46-15:00]
  • Ja Morant's late-game winner for Memphis also gets discussed, but less favorably viewed than Reaves’ heroics.
  • The panel notes the prevalence of “white guy season,” as several less-heralded players (LaRavia, Colin Gillespie) step into big roles due to injuries.
  • Notable “secondary” point guards: Colin Gillespie as “the new Gabe Vincent,” and reflections on why every team still needs a true point (Toronto and Dallas are suffering for lack of one).
  • Tas: “There have been point guards in the NBA for 80 straight years... Raptors are at least middle of the pack... But they don’t have a point guard at all.” [11:25-11:40]

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Injury Updates & Concerns: Trae Young / Anthony Davis

• [28:33-34:00]
  • Emergency segments on the night’s biggest injuries.
  • Trey: “For me, it’s gotta be Trae Young...He is such an offensive engine for them... If Trey goes down, the Hawks don’t really have a secondary creator.” [28:33]
  • Tas: “I’d be worried more so about Anthony Davis...He came in with bilateral Achilles tendinopathy...Seems like that’s a longer-term thing.” [30:13]
  • The injury to Trae is a sprain and not a tear, but expectations are he’ll miss some weeks. Discussion also touches on the impact for teammates, especially in running offense and the Hawks’ subsequent point guard-by-committee approach.

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Panic Button: Magic, Raptors, Pelicans

• [14:26-24:32]
  • The hosts rank which slumping team needs to panic most.
  • Trey: “The Magic have to be the team that is most panicking, because they have real expectations coming into this year...And unfortunately for them, same issues on offense, but the problem now is they’re also giving it back on defense.” [14:29]
  • Tas (on Pelicans): “I think everything around that team is just terrible...29th in offense, 29th in defense...Willie Green is probably going to be axed if this continues.” [17:11-18:55]
  • Skeets (on Raptors): “Give me the Raptors, I’ll hit the panic button...They need to scale back on this defensive pressure they’re trying to apply...They cannot grab a rebound to save their life these last two games...I think Darko is a dead man walking here.” [19:00-21:56]
• All three teams lambasted for lack of defensive cohesion, wild game plans, and (especially in Toronto’s case) no “fight” or true leaders at guard or center.

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NBA Cup Preview: Respect the Cup!

• [45:52-71:03]
  • The panel launches into full cup mode, vowing undying respect (“On this pod we respect the Cup!” [02:19]), and recapping former Cup winners (Lakers, Bucks).
  • Jay Skeets: “I actually don’t mind the Cup...it’s nice to have a little bit of juice, even if it’s manufactured here for these earlier games.” [46:34]
  • Format reminders and excited anticipation for wild finishes due to the “point differential tiebreakers” (“The best thing about the Cup? Point differential!” [50:47])
  • Each group is previewed with favorites, wild card picks, and Fanduel odds:
    • West Group A: Thunder expected to win, Wolves as wild card (point diff key).
    • West Group B: Wide open due to Lakers/Grizz/Pelicans injuries; most panelists lean Clippers or Lakers.
    • West Group C: “Group of Death” – most pick Nuggets or Warriors but everyone expects carnage and parity.
    • East A: Cavs favored, rest are “a mess.”
    • East B: Pistons get the love (“Cade chase down blocks!”), but Trey picks Sixers (“they’re rolling right now”) [67:16].
    • East C: Wide open (“Knicks, Bucks, Bulls” each picked by a host; Trey has the Bulls emerging hot).
• Extra trivia and memories: last year’s semifinals/final in Vegas, Cup banners, Cup mascot “poker chips”, and the Cup’s growing reputation among players (“Veteran teams have done well in the cup.” [47:36])

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NBA Cup Courts: Color Debates Galore

• [71:03-78:38]
  • New NBA Cup courts for all 30 teams spark “teal versus blue versus green” debate, legal psychedelic musings (“If you saw the world through someone else’s eyes, it’d be a psychedelic experience.” [73:32]), and critique.
  • Skeets: “Give me the Hornets as my favorite court. Love the color and I’m a huge fan of the honeycomb.” [71:43]
  • Tas: “I’m going with the Sacramento Kings. I’m not a bright color NBA cup person...gray encourages hard work.” [74:45]
  • Trey: “Phoenix Suns — literally just the orangest court you ever did see...I prefer a redder, burnter orange.” [77:00-78:09]
  • Minor gripes about Victor Solomon’s design “mailing it in” and suggestions for local-artist collaborations.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s always white guy season!”
  — Skeets, laughing at the sheer number of unheralded white role players having big moments across the league ([04:26]).

• “A coach’s job is to help hide a team’s weaknesses and accentuate their strengths. And that is the opposite of what’s happening with the Raptors right now.”
  — Skeets quoting Jack Armstrong, blasting Toronto’s game plan ([22:05]).

• “We do a goddamn daily NBA show. It’s nice to have a little bit of juice, even if it’s manufactured here for these earlier games.”
  — Jay Skeets on the NBA Cup, defending its importance ([46:34]).

• “They brought everything to the baseball party.”
  — Skeets, joking about the Blue Jays’ World Series performance ([85:24]).

• “Bring your brains to the eyeball party.”
  — Trey Kirby, contemplating vision and perspective for NBA Cup court colors ([80:25]).

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Austin Reaves’ Dream Week Recap: 02:55 – 09:45
• NBA Game Winners, White Guy Season, Gillespie’s Rise: 09:46 – 13:22
• Panic Button: Magic, Raptors, Pelicans: 14:26 – 24:32
• Around the League: Pacers, Bulls, and Jokic: 24:37 – 41:44
• Injury Deep-Dive (Trae Young, AD): 28:33 – 34:00
• NBA Cup Preview & Predictions: 45:52 – 71:03
• NBA Cup Courts & Color Debate: 71:03 – 78:38

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Tone & Style

• Fun, irreverent, and deeply nerdy — classic No Dunks.
• Banter-heavy, but sharp analysis with a heavy emphasis on friendly ribbing, inside jokes, and fan-cultural touchstones (“cup respect,” “C team Pacers,” “orange court wars”).
• They blend stats and deep-cut NBA knowledge with crowd engagement and humor.

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Summary Takeaways

• Austin Reaves’ ascendance is the story of the week, as Lakers fans hail his heroics and All-NBA level play.
• The NBA Cup is both mocked and revered: all hosts love it for the intrigue it brings and embrace the quirky spectacle (“On This Pod We Respect the Cup!”).
• Teams in turmoil: Panic alarms are sounding in Orlando, New Orleans, and especially Toronto, where poor defensive schemes and coaching heat are in focus.
• Point guards remain essential; the Raptors and Mavs are flailing without them.
• NBA Cup group predictions: West is a bloodbath, East full of underperformers. Thunder, Cavs, Nuggets/Warriors are consensus faves.
• The new NBA Cup courts divide opinion — teal/blue/green/honeycomb debates abound!
• Injury concerns to Trae and AD linger, potentially swinging the Cup’s early rounds.

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This episode delivers a perfect blend of midseason NBA chaos, Cup fever, and unrestrained basketball nerdery. Cup respect is at an all-time high…but so is the panic in Raptors-land.

Transcript

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Tas Melas]

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[Tas Melas]

How about Das Will Jays?

[Jay Skeets]

How about Dem Jays? Next to him it's my top shot hot boy Trey Kirby. Hey hey. Oh and over yonder making the magic happen. He's a sleepy boy this morning.

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[Jay Skeets]

It's jd.

[Tas Melas]

Hello.

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[Jay Skeets]

You said you slept in JD this morning.

[Tas Melas]

That's true. First time in years.

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[Tas Melas]

I rolled over, got up at 8:30.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, luckily the Classic Factory is not far from your bedroom.

[Tas Melas]

It's pretty close. Yeah, very very close.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, it's great to see you. Hello to everybody on YouTube. Hit the like button. Subscribe podcast listeners, five star ratings and reviews. We got a lot to get to here day. We're gonna get you all set for the 2025 NBA cup which tips tomorrow night on this podcast. We respect a cup.

[Trey Kirby]

I want to make love in the cup.

[Jay Skeets]

So we'll do that a little Bit later in the show.

[Tas Melas]

It's a small cup.

[Trey Kirby]

It's a small cup.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, it was a giant cup. The one we stood in front of.

[Trey Kirby]

And took a photo of like a statue.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, the one outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Get in there.

[Tas Melas]

You can get in that thing.

[Jay Skeets]

You make some love in that giant ass cup. But first, on no dunks, we're gonna recap last night's action with a little. Whatcha got? Whatcha got there? Yeah, what you got? Don't worry. We'll update those graphics. Vintage first. What you got? This is a fun one. Austin reaves switched a 12 footer in the lane right at the buzzer to lift the lakers to the 116, 115 victory over the Wolves. After Minnesota took the lead with like a 14 to 2 late run. That was a huge shot from Reeves. Meanwhile, in Phoenix, ja Morant scored 28 points, including a go ahead jumper with about seven seconds left to push the Grizzlies past the Suns by 1.11 14, 1 13. So I want to know, what was the slicker game winner, Tas Melas, Austin Reaves or Ja Morant? Who you got?

[Tas Melas]

It's Austin Reeves for me.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's the right answer.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Good call.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, was just. Just a smooth move. When that pick is set, he gets past it and he does that little dribble. Kind of rolls the ball ahead just so it gets there. Yeah. And you know, it's kind of like he's chasing after a little toddler. Go get this ball. He gets up and bangs. At home, I was slicker. Then John Moran, who went behind the back, got it on Colin Gillespie, which was.

[Jay Skeets]

It was pretty.

[Tas Melas]

It was sweet.

[Jay Skeets]

It was over. It was over. I thought it was over. Grayson Allen.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, my mistake.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. The other white guy, maybe I'm getting my.

[Tas Melas]

My white guy's mistake.

[Trey Kirby]

Quite similar on the court.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's white guy season here, Davis.

[Jay Skeets]

It's always white guy.

[Tas Melas]

No dunks, no dude. But as far as the sports go, white guys everywhere. Here comes Davis, Schneider. Here comes Trey Savage. I mean, pick a white guy. Montes Bozellas, Bouzelis. Jake Laravia was awesome last night. He was freaking good.

[Jay Skeets]

But back to Austin Reeves.

[Tas Melas]

This is Jake Laravia is Austin's buddy.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Jake Laravia announced that he is coming to the Lakers. They sitting in a car beside Austin Reaves in the off season when he was doing an interview. They're buds all of a sudden. This is the. This is the Austin Reaves and Jake Laravia show. Austin Reeves has taken over, obviously. Yeah, this is.

[Jay Skeets]

People are saying this is like his Jeremy Lin moment right now. Those comparisons a little bit. I mean, he was a better player, Reeves was, than Lynn when he broke out and suddenly had that special couple.

[Tas Melas]

Weeks and he's still going, yeah, here we are. Does he. Do you believe in Austin Reaves now in that, you know, you weren't, you weren't buying in now he signed that four year contract. This literally could be one of the best contracts in the NBA. I mean, it is.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

He is playing to that capability right now.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I thought he was getting like, this is a couple of years ago now. Maybe he was getting a little overrated. He was with the Lakers, you know, he gets that bump. I thought he still had some limitations to his game, but he's improved a ton and yeah, that's a great looking contract and he has completely taken over here for this team. Down LeBron, down Luka. He is having a very special week with the 51 point game and now a buzzer beating floater. That was difficult, you know, splitting that pick and roll up top, pushing it ahead like you said. And then the soft touch. And he had missed a couple shots before that. Right. Like he's not afraid of the moment. You got to give him that. Like he's like, all right, I'll take the shot. Because he missed a couple down the stretch when the Wolves got back in the game, but still hit this one.

[Tas Melas]

Pick and roll ball handler and a secondary playmaker. He.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, what do you have last night? 16 assists at least.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it's just five games, but Austin Reeves is all NBA right now.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Easily. His hit ahead pass to Jake Lar was awesome. Threw it like 80ft in the air. Found Larabia right under. I guess they're buds, so that's exciting. Yeah. The pick and roll game looks awesome. He's running the second most pick and rolls per game in the league behind Luka Doncic, who's only played two games. He's averaging the third most points per possession on those pick and roll plays behind Luka Doncic and Jamal Murray. The question will be how do they blend it once Luca comes back? Reaves is going to get his opportunities though. If he comes with the bench, if it comes as the secondary guy alongside Luka, alongside LeBron, it really doesn't matter. Timberwolves couldn't handle him last night. Jaden McDaniels was getting screened off in every single pick and roll. He's not really a point of Attack, defender, but he is for the Timberwolves. And the split was there against Gobert coming up. He was hitting him with the low dribble, like you're saying, and then got into it for the last basket there. That was really, really nice. And kind of you could see it coming just the way he had been playing for the 51 point game. And in this game, splitting the double every single time and going up top. Deandre Ayton, we gotta give this guy some credit. He is hooping, got a great connection with Reeves. He's setting really good screens. He was a lot of the reason that McDaniels couldn't stay attached to Reeves. And Reeves gets him the ball as soon as he needs it and right where he needs it. A lot of these are the little DeAndre Ayton floaters. Five assists last night from Reeves to Ayton. But I'm impressed with the way Ayton's been playing, especially since Luka went down. Ayton's up to nine boards per game his last three games. 15, 8 and 10. Those are the biggest numbers for DeAndre. Ayton is putting up double digits in the rebounding category. So game one was bad. People were saying, get this guy out of here. He'll never amount to anything. Since then he's been really solid.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, it is incredible how the Lakers supporting cast has responded. You have to kind of lump deandre Ayton in there. Although, you know, you can argue he should be your second best player with Luka down and LeBron down. But they all in cohesion have responded extremely well. JJ Redick has these players playing extremely hard to see what Jake LaRavia drops a 10 of 11 for 27 points beside Austin Reeves in his second game. Starting here, the first one, not so great. Okay, let's get used to it. And out there banging home threes, running ahead. As you said that that push ahead pass, that bomb pass from Austin Reaves like he could do everything. It sure feels like he's not going to break you down one on one. But to be there and to have the, the knockdown shots to hit five threes. These guys are performing extremely well, Ayton included.

[Jay Skeets]

Dalton connect too. Yeah, actually scoring for the Lakers 15 off the bench. He was 7 to 12. I did think like this wasn't pretty by any means. Like the shot at the end was awesome, but like they gave back a huge lead.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes, they did.

[Jay Skeets]

Over the final couple minutes, like they could not figure out how to beat his own defense. That the Wolves are sort of implementing throughout the end. At the end it was just like they were. They didn't really know what to do and they just sort of kept firing up threes. They weren't getting like the greatest of looks. And that sort of helped get Minnesota back in the game. And Randle had a great basket that gave them the lead where he attacked an inside. McDaniels had a good game. I saw somebody in the stream team before we went live. Like, where was Anthony Edwards? You know, he's banged up. I mean there was like a. Lacking a lot of star power in this game for Minnesota and la, but you know, competitive fight from the wolves to get back into it. But they're two and three now in the Lakers. Three and two. And when you consider all the injuries to sort of both teams right now, LA has got to be pretty happy with that overall record so far.

[Trey Kirby]

I think every win they get without Luka is a big win, right?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. They're playing extremely well. And Minnesota was compensating for Anthony Edwards, as you said, out a couple of weeks. Jaden McDaniels dropping 30 on that side.

[Jay Skeets]

He's always good when there's no Anthony Edwards. Like, I swear, go check the stats. When he doesn't play, McDaniel scores a lot.

[Trey Kirby]

Anthony Edwards holding him back.

[Jay Skeets]

No, I'm just saying. I mean he's steps up is my point.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Somebody could fact check me on. I swear he has like a crazy points per game bump when there's no ant.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. And same with Julius Randle doing his thing. So. Yeah, it came down to the wire. It should. Should have been the Lakers game. There's no doubt. But yeah, it's just. It's white guy season. A little shout out to Colin Gadas because he. I've little. I guess I thought he was Grayson Allen in that instance because he had a really good game. He's coming off the bench and he's helping. He's almost looks like their best point guard at times that they're trying to do this thing with Devin Booker being their lead point guard. No, Jalen Green right now. He comes and helps out. So just a little shout out for C O double L I N. Any.

[Jay Skeets]

Thoughts on the Grizz getting the win there? And jaws shot and everything from that one.

[Trey Kirby]

Not as exciting of a clutch time I didn't think for the Grizzlies, but you know, they pulled off the win. The Suns, they're just a brutal watch to be quite honest. They've got Booker trying to do everything and if he doesn't score. I don't really have confidence anybody else can do it. But I am glad that there's a new Gabe Vincent in town and his name is Colin Gillespie. This guy's coming up on every single episode.

[Tas Melas]

Colin Gillespie.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

I mean, they need a point guard. So literally this guy's gonna come up. They just need somebody to play basketball. That's true. So they're struggling with that. It's watching these teams like the Dallas Mavericks, which we'll get to, that don't play a point guard. They look horrendous.

[Jay Skeets]

Or the Toronto Raptors.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. There's a reason there have been point guards in the NBA for 80 straight years.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, well, the Toronto Raptors are at least a middle of the pack offensive team. They're dudes. Dudes can score. I know you're a quickly hater, but.

[Jay Skeets]

They'Re not a point guard at all.

[Tas Melas]

Okay, okay, that's fine. They have scores. They put up a lot of points against this Houston Rockets team. That is a very good defense. We'll get to them.

[Jay Skeets]

We'll get to them.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't think Joe looks totally the same as a player. He had that awesome first game. I think he had 35, right, looked really athletic, really explosive. But he's like settling for jumpers all the time right now. He had his first dunk of the season last night. It was a cherry pick dunk and he barely got the ball over the rim. Like he wasn't trying to sky for anything. He said last year, I'm going to stop dunking. Unfortunately, he has stopped dunking. He's taken the fewest attempts at the rim in his career. Right now he's. He's taken right up at the top most threes he's taken in his career. Right now only shooting 19%. If he's not going to be able to get to the hoop the way he used to, the Grizzlies aren't going to be all that, well, all that great on the offensive end. But he was getting into the lane, I thought, in the fourth quarter at the very least and got the big bucket late.

[Jay Skeets]

Were The Suns down 20 at any point?

[Trey Kirby]

No, they did. They only got 10.

[Tas Melas]

10. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

They only got down 10 in this game. So baby steps, improvement for the Suns.

[Tas Melas]

Yep. Yeah. It's all Colin Gillespie. I will say, I will say about John Moran. Maybe he is trying to save himself because this is a bigger role for him this season. So maybe he is saying, I just don't want to go to the rim until the fourth quarter. I think that's. That's part of it. Yeah. The shot just ain't looking that pretty. He's shooting. What is it? Some ridiculously low percentage.

[Trey Kirby]

19%. And he went three for eight last night.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. That's a good day.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep. They were calling him sensational Ced.

[Jay Skeets]

I saw that.

[Trey Kirby]

Cedric Coward. He had another nice game. Yeah, 14 points. Had a big basket late. Had a big rebound late as well. He contributes. He looks like a man in the body and a boy in the face. Yes, he's got a very boy face.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. But holy crap, does he have an NBA body.

[Tas Melas]

Yes, he's jacked.

[Jay Skeets]

All right, Moving on. It's never too early to start worrying in Detroit. Cade Cunningham, 30:10 as the Pistons overcame a slow start. They beat the Magic 135, 116 last night. Orlando's fourth loss in a row in Toronto. KD scored 31. Rockets thumped the struggling Raptors 139 to 121. Our Dinos here have lost four straight in a row as well, all by 10 points or more. The defense is abysmal and we'll chuck one more in here. The Pelicans are still looking for their first win after getting pummeled by Jokic and the Nuggets, 1:22-88. Zion played, didn't have that great a game, but they got embarrassed.

[Tas Melas]

So. Hey. The Bucks only beat the Raptors by six. Oh, how dare you. That was somewhat close.

[Jay Skeets]

My bad.

[Tas Melas]

Okay. I gotta give them the respect that they deserve. That they had four more points than you said.

[Jay Skeets]

Good catch. Who are you smashing the panic button harder for? The Magic, the Raptors or the Pelicans? Let's start with Trey on this one.

[Trey Kirby]

I follow enough people on Twitter to know that all three fan bases want their coaches fired. Every single fan bases punching the panic button as hard as they possibly can right now. But the Magic have to be the team that is most panicking because they have real expectations coming into this year. People are assuming a 50 win team. Giving health to Apollo and Franz. They have a gigantic payroll. Their 11th in payroll this season. They get more expensive next year. They've already traded all their first round picks. 26, 28, 30. Those are gone. This is their team for the most part right now. And unfortunately for them, same issues on offense. Taylor, two halves for the Magic last night. 10 of 19 for from three in the first half. That's incredible. 10 threes. They've only done that once in a game this season. It was opening night.

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[Trey Kirby]

Second half, they went 2 for 12. First half, 16 assists, 8 turnovers. Nice. Second half, 8 turnovers, 6 assists. The problem now is that they're also giving it back on defense. Only 22nd in the league. They're giving up a ton of three pointers. They allowed 135 points last night to the Pistons. The Pistons are 20th in offense. The Pistons have not been a good offensive team, and they completely lit up the magic. It just looks like they've forgotten what even got them a reputation in the NBA. They're trying to fix their offense and in doing so have lost their defense. They need to be a defense, first team. They need to slow it down and they need to just try and eke out wins. 95 to 89.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. When we came into the season, we were like, well, that won't be an issue. We know they're a defensive team. That's their identity. They'll probably be top five defense. So that. Can they just improve that offense a little bit, which is stunk. And they can't hit threes. That's why they get Bane. Yeah, we weren't concerned about their defense at all. And it's been bad, as Trey pointed out.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. And it's easy for their fan base to point at their head coach, especially because they come out a couple times this season and having that great first half where they are banging home threes. Here they are. They did the same thing against the Atlanta Hawks when this whole thing started going downhill. First game, fine. Second game was that Atlanta Hawks, 7 to 16 for 3 in the first half.

[Jay Skeets]

That's good.

[Tas Melas]

Then 2 of 15 in the second half. It's happened again. Something going on in the locker room. Why you'd have to under or you'd have to make that prognosis. They ain't listening to the coach. It sure feels that way. And to me, what's going on in New Orleans is very similar. I think they don't have any sort of aura about this team at all. I know they've lost four games to fairly good teams, but you look at a team that's own three going into last night. Zion Williamson was not impactful at all in this game against the Denver Nuggets. It's the Nuggets, so yeah, you can lose by nearly 40 points, I suppose. But I think everything around that team is just terrible because as soon as. As soon as the star of the other team has gone to the bench in all their four games, it was John Morant. They played Wemby, they played Jaylen Brown and now Jokic. They lose those minutes. They're not all together. They are not. And this is just a bad omen for all those kids in fears coming up and Derek Queen coming up who can play well. But I think if you're 29th in offense, 29th in defense, there's nothing good going on there. Yeah. So.

[Jay Skeets]

And you don't control your own pick in the 26 NBA draft after what they did with the Atlanta Hawks. There's that part too.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Which we all at the time were like, what?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

What are you expecting from your team here? Joe Dumars?

[Trey Kirby]

And they traded the Pacers first.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

The Pacers haven't won a game yet.

[Jay Skeets]

They may have conceded two high 20, 26 lottery picks to move up to get Queen and to currently not have a win. So rough.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. They trade those picks thinking, all right, here comes Jordan Poole. He's going to fix things. Poole has been bad.

[Trey Kirby]

Benched him last night.

[Tas Melas]

Benched him last night. Yeah. Trey Murphy was supposed to be this all Star. Coming also not playing well. They bring in DeAndre Jordan cuz Kavon Looney is out, so maybe that would help. And DeAndre Jordan did the triple kiss, the, the, the, the cheek kisses with his buddy Nikola Jokic. Both, both pregame and post game. That was nice. Interesting stuff. Yeah, there were good buds. It looks super slow out there. And so they lose by 40. So how many games has Zion played in? Well, he's played in three or four of those games and he ain't leading. That's just Willie Green is probably going to be axed if this continues. What else are they supposed to do? It's a trade away their pace.

[Jay Skeets]

Which coach gets fired first here?

[Tas Melas]

Unfortunately, there's no answer otherwise.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it's bad. Okay, so you went with the Magic. You sounds like you're going with the Pelicans. Give me the Raptors. I'll hit the panic button. I've already been hitting it for a couple days now. Yeah, the offense was great last night. Task. But it doesn't matter when you're giving up 130 plus. Like the Raptors hit a ton of threes last night and still got waxed at home. Like the best thing going for the Raptors and maybe everybody in their front office or their coaching staff is that the Blue Jays are in the World Series. And I'm not convinced even Toronto fans know what's going on with this actual team. What are they doing on defense? I'm going to sound like a broken record, but it needs to Change or Darko's got to go. They are sending the most insane doubles at guys that I can remember in NBA games. They just, as soon as the guy up top like turns his head, a guy just comes and tries to blind double. But these are professional NBA players. They like turn their head back around and like, oh, that guy's wide open. I'll just throw it to him. And then maybe one more rotation. We got an easy basket. It happens so many times. They need to scale back on this defensive pressure that they're trying to apply to teams. Like, they don't have the personnel to do it. I mean, Pearl didn't play last night because he shouldn't be because his back is all banged up. So, okay, there's that. The starter should not be pressing 80ft here. Like, these are not defensive juggernauts. Maybe Scotty, but everybody else. No, it is crazy, man. And they cannot grab a rebound to save their Life these last two games. Rockets out rebounded Toronto last night, 53 to 22. The Rockets almost had more offensive rebounds than the Raps had defensive rebounds. And the night before that, a game before that against the spurs, they got.

[Trey Kirby]

Out, rebounded 44 to 20, 22 is a crazy load.

[Jay Skeets]

That's like 100 rebounds.

[Trey Kirby]

That's barely a big beef for a full team.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes, that's like 100 rebounds. The Raps have given up over the last two games and grabbed like 42. Like they're getting doubled up here now. These are big giant ass teams. I get it.

[Tas Melas]

The Rockets are big.

[Jay Skeets]

They've played big teams. But. But yeah, you got to collectively box out and rebound as a team. And. And they're running too much. Like it's brutal and they need to trade for a point guard. I mean, I guess Colin Gillespie, I guess we'll take him up it quickly. Is not a point guard. There are so many times in this game where I'm like, Ingram's cooking, Barnes is cooking. And it's like, your point guard should be like, continue to go through those guys. And at times he's not. And I just don't. I don't think that's him. That's iq. That's not his game. So there's a lot of issues here. And I've said it already, I think Darko is a dead man walking here. I don't think this is going to last long. I don't think it can. If they can continue to lose, they.

[Tas Melas]

Probably will continue to lose. They probably will because they're playing good teams. They're playing a Cavs team on Friday that's hungry for a win after losing against the Celtics. Then they go on the road trip. It ain't going to start well. They could easily start 1 in 10 now. They put up points. They got 60 combined from Barnes and Ingram. Those guys are putting up points. Yeah, good.

[Jay Skeets]

That's not the issue.

[Tas Melas]

No, but you can't grab a rebound.

[Jay Skeets]

And their defense is whack.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, their defense is a problem and that's.

[Jay Skeets]

And again it's like one whack.

[Trey Kirby]

You're twisted.

[Jay Skeets]

It's one thing to be like, yeah, it's personnel. It's the team that Messiah and Bobby built like okay. But also I'm watching the games and this is a defensive principle that Darko is telling these guys to do these double blinds to do all this pressure and it's not working. Jack's Jack Armstrong said it on the broadcast best. A coach's job is to help hide a team's weaknesses and accentuate their strengths. And that is the opposite of what's happening with the Raptors right now. In my opinion.

[Tas Melas]

I will say not doing a good job to start the game. Throwing out Colin Murray Boyles instead of Jakob Poeltl because he's injured at 67 ain't going to help rebound a ball columnary. Boyle is a fricking wing.

[Jay Skeets]

The Raptors barely have centers. We don't have a point guard and we don't have a center. Now with Jakob.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

With Yakabout, those are two important positions.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, that's. It's scary. You sign a guy to a long term contract, it looks like his back is a problem. He ain't a defensive deterrent at the rim at all. And I understand the worry with quickly overall but the defensive end not stopping that point of attack. It ain't there. It's just not happening. And so the Rockets were able to just pick and roll. They were able to just get in the lane over and over literally. It's either if they're not doubling then they do sag back and they sag back way too much. There's just no identity. There's no fight. And maybe it's Jamal Shed. Hey, get in the starting lineup and play with freaking quickly beside you. It's. There's no, there is no fight. And yeah, the, the lack of height is a problem. You've. You've got a Mamu back there as your backup center. He ain't even that huge boards guy. He's six nine. So they're tiny. They don't have the fight. They put up points. They've put up good points in a lot of these games. They dropped 121 yesterday, 129 against Dallas, 138 against the Hawks. But, yeah, the defense is the scary part and their schedule is just really hard. So it's going to start poorly for this team.

[Jay Skeets]

It has. We've already reached that point.

[Trey Kirby]

They had a sweet first game, though.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, that was.

[Jay Skeets]

I saw with my own eyes. It was awesome. Like, holy crap. Reps are going to win 50 games if they play the Hawks every night.

[Tas Melas]

Three coaches. Three coaches that are literally on the hot seat.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, they are, because the expectations with Orlando after the big Bane trade, the Raptors with Darko being there a couple years and like, they pay a lot of money for these guys. They need to be flirting with 500, as we talked about. And then, you know, Billy Green, been there a while. He'd been there a while. Like, yeah, you've had chances. So, yeah. And they. They've off to brutal starts for all three of these teams.

[Tas Melas]

And all three have put so much money into their roster. What else are they going to do? They really have nothing to do. I will say the winless Pacers, nothing to worry about there, but they keep on losing. They lost to a Dallas Mavericks team that stunk yesterday. That was a bad basketball game. Although Cooper Flag had some flashes. I do like the first possession after a Pacers make. He comes down and just puts it right in and throws down a dunkley. There are some. Some flashes of Cooper Flag back baseline cut, throws down a reverse dunk. Some sweet stuff. He took Mac McClung in the post.

[Trey Kirby]

He too smalled. Mac McClung.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, the new Mac McLaugh.

[Trey Kirby]

It was crazy.

[Tas Melas]

I thought the other. The other part, the impressive thing against Mack McClung was on the other end, or Mack McClung tries to go by him. And Cooper Flag is really good at defending from the perimeter all the way to the remedy. Block Mack McClung's ass. So some good moments there, but we'll get to Anthony Davis's injury. But at the same time, the Pacers have nothing to worry about. But they continue.

[Jay Skeets]

They have no guys, though. You just told me Macklung was higher or assigned.

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[Trey Kirby]

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[Tas Melas]

Mcconnell.

[Trey Kirby]

T.J. mcConnell is out. Nemhardt is out. Halliburton, obviously. Yeah, they're one of the worst offensive teams in the league, but they're competing at least defensively. Talk about a gap year, though. This doesn't look like a playoff team?

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[Trey Kirby]

Even though Siakam, I think, has been playing pretty well, yeah, they still love Seattle.

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Jay Skeets]

Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty Liberty Liberty Liberty Savings vary Underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance company Affiliates excludes Massachusetts Final one here in what you got? The Hawks held off the winless nets. Ka ka I guess 117112 after losing Star guard Trae Young to a sprained right knee in the first quarter, Mogay fell backwards and collided with Trey's knee. The Mavs bench They scored a bunch of points to help beat the Indiana Pacers 107105 in a matchup of injury depleted teams, Anthony Davis left late in the first quarter with lower left leg soreness. He didn't return so more concerning injury. They both got wins last night, but Trae Young's knee or Anthony Davis's leg.

[Trey Kirby]

TK for me, it's gotta be Trae Young. I think the Hawks dodged a bullet a little bit. They said it's not a tear, just a sprain. I guess he's going to have an mri. An mri, MRI today to determine how long until he can be reevaluated at least. But we talked about it when we did over Unders. If Trey Young goes down, the Hawks don't really have a secondary creator. They don't have a point guard who's going to step in. Nikhil Alexander Walker got the start in the second half, so he likely will be the sub there, I suppose. But the Hawks offense has really fallen off a cliff. When Trey goes to the bench, when he plays 116 points per 100 possessions, that's like middle of the pack. Would be 14th in the league, but when he sits 106 points per 100 possession, that's 28th. Trey hasn't even played great this season. No, I don't think. But he is such an offensive engine for them. And there are a lot of limited offensive players on the Hawks to where you look at who's going to be making the plays for other guys. And Luke Canard is like maybe their best pick and roll player outside of Trae Young. His absence will be bad for Jalen Johnson, it'll be bad for Porzingis, and it'll definitely be bad for Daniels and Richache, both of whom have had a tough start to the season as well. So I think losing Trey for however long it's going to be two to four weeks maybe, that could be really bad for Atlanta.

[Tas Melas]

Yes. It doesn't seem like it's a serious injury. He did walk out on his own power from the arena, according to Michael Skoda, with, you know, a tiny bit of a limp but no crutches. So that's a good sign, especially when.

[Jay Skeets]

You see the clip. It looked bad. Yeah, Like Mo Gay is a huge dude and like buckled backwards and Trey's leg goes like that. Didn't look good. But then he stayed in the game.

[Tas Melas]

He tried to pull him out sort.

[Jay Skeets]

Of immediately after Snyder did.

[Tas Melas]

So I think that's a decent sign. And I do think this whole point guard by committee is going to happen. I think last year when Trey was out, they did it decently and it's not going to be easy, but Nikhil Alexander Walker is going to get a lot of it. So is Lucanard so is Dyson Daniels who's gotten better at it and Keaton Wallace is there. I think there's. Yeah, it'll be a four man operation at least. They become a different offense. They become this ok, all sharing as opposed to just going through Trey Young. So long term is not, not a good sign. But I would be worried more so about Anthony Davis because it looks, it looks worse. This team is just horrendous unfortunately, considering they're not playing a point guard, considering d' Angelo Russell is just sitting there on the bench and has to come out, the offense doesn't look good. So Anthony Davis not being there, who was actually on the injury report coming into this game with bilateral Achilles tendinopathy, both of his Achilles hurt coming into the game. He played through it and then got injured. So it seems like that's a longer term thing. But yeah, I'm not a doctor, I don't know. But I know the team just doesn't look good and they're not sharing the ball and then you have a team that comes in and that guy I mentioned, d' Angelo Russell and Klay Thompson and Max Christie all hit 1 3. They won this game. They won against the Pacers by hitting five threes which is incredible. They can't hit threes. So it's a whole, a whole big bunch of problems there. And Anthony Davis at least can create for himself when he's out there healthy and he does fight through injuries, but they just look bad, period. So that's.

[Jay Skeets]

He also tried to return to action after the injury after he came up hobbling and his came on like a made shot. I think, I think he hit that baseline shot. Yeah, that little baseline and sort of came up hobbling and then eventually they're like no, no, no, we're not going to get you out there. But yeah, it was, it was like Brandon Williams, he was a game changer. Dwight Powell, like those were the guys.

[Tas Melas]

He was their best player. Brandon Williams was their best player.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, Raptors could use him.

[Trey Kirby]

Hawks could use him. He was a G leaguer for the Hawks. Imagine Fee was still around. I guess Keaton Wallen did about Keaton Wallace outplayed him for the Skyhawks, but he should get the start. I think in AD's absence, Clay Thompson, I think it's over. He is looking pretty bad to start this season. He's like a single digits guy. What's he shooting from? Three right now, 26%. Maybe it'll get going but you can't dribble. You can't beat people off the dribble. And that was the thing that really stuck out to me was when Brandon Williams came in, he looked like prime Deion Sanders out there. The athleticism gap between him and everybody else on the Mavericks just like, wait a second, you got a guy who can run fast and it was such a huge advantage to put him in pick and roll with Dwight Powell. How is Dwight Powell still playing for the Dallas mavericks? They've got 100 centers and the guy was still getting buckets for this team. Lively's out. Gafford hasn't played yet. AD went out. So like Dwight Powell is going to end up with a 20 year career all for the Dallas Mavericks. Unbelievable stuff. But I do think that they need the little bit of chaos that a Brandon Williams brings. Maybe it could be Russell. Like that would make sense from like a hierarchy standpoint, but Russell's a slow player. He's not a massive athlete. I thought it was definitely helping the Mavericks to have somebody who looked like they had some pop.

[Tas Melas]

Brandon Lewis was awesome. He was literally their best player. I would say even though I give Cooper flag, I keep giving him the love he was. He couldn't get things together a lot of time. He had a big time up and down game, but he grabbed 10 boards, a 15 and 10. So he looked all right. But yes, the Mavericks need to play some guards. I don't know what's going on. I don't know if it's Nico talking to Jason Kidd. Hey man, this is what you got to do. Or Jason kid just wanted to to get Cooper flag going. But they literally need guards. So Clay does look old. There's no doubt.

[Jay Skeets]

His heart's not in it anymore, man. Oh, he's got Megan.

[Tas Melas]

He's good.

[Jay Skeets]

His heart's somewhere else. I mean, can you blame him? No, not at all.

[Tas Melas]

He could also have somebody else set up plays for him.

[Trey Kirby]

That would help. Yes, that would also help.

[Tas Melas]

There was some last year we went through this with him as well. He looked, he looked bad, but he got it going somehow. Those, those old lights playing his way into shape here.

[Jay Skeets]

Being completely honest. But yeah, I hear you guys.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, he's. He, yeah, he was training in the off season, but yeah, point guard. Why don't they have no guards? Why do they not have guards playing Brandon Williams? Key d' Angelo Russell. Super key. There we are.

[Jay Skeets]

They got the win. They got the C team, I guess Pacers right now with the guys that.

[Trey Kirby]

Are having Mac McClung.

[Tas Melas]

MacLun had a four point play and that was Rock bottom for the Mavericks at that point. That was bad.

[Jay Skeets]

Any other games from last night that you wanted to highlight for the people out here on YouTube or the podcast listener?

[Trey Kirby]

I gotta say, the bulls, man.

[Jay Skeets]

Hell yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

4 and oh, not a surprise that they won last night. Sacramento was on the second night of a back to back. Had to travel to Chicago. And the Bulls depth really just took the Kings to town. Their bench has been really good to start the season. IO Dasumu is playing great. Tre Jones is playing great. 27 season high for Matas Bouzelis. He should have gotten to his career high. I think his career high is 31. Had 17 after the first half. I thought it was.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought it was a lock.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, but this guy's hooping.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

You know what? Cooper Flag should watch some Matas Bou zealous tapes.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. All right.

[Trey Kirby]

Montes Bruisellas a better athlete than Cooper Flagg. Looks bouncy.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, he's an athlete for sure.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

It's a debate for sure. One guy's.

[Trey Kirby]

How about this one? Would Montes Bouzelis go first in a redraft of the 2024 draft? Probably.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Maybe.

[Tas Melas]

I need to. I need to redraft in my brain here.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, you can't.

[Jay Skeets]

That's tough.

[Trey Kirby]

They all Reese's Shay, number one. You're taking Boozelis for sure over Reese's Shay, Alex Sar. He looks good this year.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm taking Bouzilles for him.

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[Trey Kirby]

Reed Shepherd.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes.

[Trey Kirby]

Boozelis, Stefan Castle. He's been great this year. So maybe two. Okay. Because that's Holland Saloon Cling in Dillingham, Edie, Cody Williams. You're not taking any of those guys. One or two.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, he's up there. Aside from all those guys, he can create for himself. And even though Stefan Castle's awesome, he's a secondary playmaker. He was doing it against the Kings yesterday, who look old as molasses. There's no doubt.

[Jay Skeets]

They're so bad. Some really bad teams right now in the league, including our Raptors. But the Kings are there, the Suns are there, the Pelicans are there.

[Tas Melas]

The defense. Yeah. Anyone could score. So mon, even when he was able to just do a little pick and roll and get past the bonus and score an an one, he wasn't even excited about his N one. He just thought, okay, I haven't beaten these guys, so yeah, I got to celebrate. But he. But he can create on his own, so that is super impressive. Yeah. When you compare them to a bunch of those 20, 24 draftees. I want to talk about another drafty 20, 25. Ace Bailey had his career high eight points. Huge. Yeah, not that big coming off the bench, but I do love watching the Utah Jazz play. It is, it's just fun to watch them play. Lowry, Markkanen had a monster recovery, chase down block and that results in Ace Bailey actually dropping the ball through his legs to Keonte George for a three. They go end to end. Maybe I'm biased a little bit with the purple. We're seeing some of our flashback graphics to the purple. We always have the purple, but the court is awesome.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it looks great.

[Tas Melas]

It look super good. And they came out and they tried hard. Obviously they weren't able to beat the Blazers.

[Jay Skeets]

Drew Holiday, clutch, clutch free throws.

[Tas Melas]

Super clutch. Shane Sharp hitting threes for once. So good to see on that side. But anyways, chess games are just fun. Even if they aren't going to win a ton of games, they're going to blast through that over under of 18 and a half and they're going to play their older guys. Ace Bailey's coming off the bench. Will Hardy's just doing what he has to do. They have enough talent. They put up a fight every single game.

[Jay Skeets]

Back to your Bulls, because I saw your tweet this morning, Trey, or I guess it was from last night. I saw it this morning, I couldn't believe it. But you tweeted the list of opponents 3 point percentage versus teams like who's. Who's had the best luck if we want to call it that in the NBA this season. Right now, teams against Trey Kirby's Chicago Bulls are shooting 25.9% from three in four games. Now the Bulls are 4 0. Hey, maybe a part of it's the great defense, but on the other hand, what's going on? Why can't teams hit threes against the. Against your squad?

[Trey Kirby]

Okay, so they played the Kings, like I said, second night of a back to back with travel in between. Maybe that's bad for the legs. They also beat the Magic, who we know can't shoot. They went 3 for 24 that game. It is totally luck because I think they're like 5 percentage points better than the next worst team, right?

[Jay Skeets]

The Pelicans.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, see, that's the thing that's interesting to me. It's like the Pelicans and Kings, who are pretty high on the low percentage allowed. Those teams aren't winning. The Bulls are winning. Teams are also shooting 75 at the free throw line. That is like sixth worst in the League, So they're getting lucky, but the thing that I don't think is super lucky is they are first, as in they're allowing the fewest three point attempts.

[Tas Melas]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

I think they're basically deciding we're going to trade 3 for 2 because Vuch is not a rim protector. The Bulls are giving up the most points in the paint in the league, but they're just doing their best to take away the threes and hoping that they can outmath the other teams. Playing fast with depth is kind of wearing the other teams down as these games get longer and longer. So over time, teams are going to shoot better than a 1980s three point percentage against the Bulls. They probably will lose a game at some point this season, but right now it's pretty hilarious. Nobody can shoot against Chicago.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it's crazy. A few other sort of quick notes here. Jokic had another triple double. 21 points, 12 boards, 10 assists. He matched an NBA record with his fourth straight triple double to start the season. He shot 10 of 15 and he played in 28 minutes in that blowout win over the Pelicans. They went on like a 240 run in the third quarter to open up a 33 point lead and they're like, all right, take the rest of the night off. Hit the barn, you'll get.

[Tas Melas]

Hit the barn.

[Jay Skeets]

Go play with the horses. But the Nuggets, I mean, I think they're being overlooked here a little bit. Maybe because they lost on opening night to the Warriors, I'm not sure. But the Nuggets are the first team in NBA history to score at least 120 points on 50% shooting from the field in each of their first four games. Their offense is humming right now and they're 3 and 1 because they did lose the first game. But I don't know, it feels like we're not really talking much about Denver. Maybe it's their opponents or all these other big storylines that got our attention, but they're good.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, undefeated regulation is what I'd be saying if I was a Denver fan. Yogic. Has he had a triple double in every single game? Yeah, he's leading the league and rebounding, leading the league in. But he's only scoring 20 points per game.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

I think maybe we would be talking about Denver more if Cam Johnson was playing well. He's like the biggest news for this team. Right. He's kind of struggled out of the gate, finding his way in a system rather than just a pickup league where he was playing in Brooklyn last Year. So, yeah, the Nuggets, we expected them to be good. They have continued to be good. They're going to need to win, what, 12 in a row for. To really.

[Jay Skeets]

For people to be like, whoa. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tas Melas]

And Jokic, odd that he hasn't shot well from three. Yeah, we know he can shoot. He's shooting 16 from three. Just not hitting shots.

[Jay Skeets]

He's at 16.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. He doesn't even hit one per game. But the depth is there. The storyline with this team, other than Cam Johnson was their depth and their bench looks awesome. Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Much improved.

[Tas Melas]

So Jokic literally can chill somewhat. I mean, he doesn't have to shoot all that much. He's literally shooting five and a half less shots this season. Obviously extrapolate. It's a long season, so maybe his numbers will pick up with us. 14 shots per game. Yeah, it's great. He's happy, I'm sure. And I. I would be happy if I was Christian Brown. That the referees don't call the. The carry the. The thing that we're seeing with a lot of players. I think he's. He's perfected. Like Tyrese Halliburton. That dunk that he had yesterday, he was able to put it up in his hand, kind of put it underneath, and then wait to see what he could do and then go down and throw it down. Awesome dunk. He's gotten better. The beard looks good. Everything looking good for Christian Brown.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he updated his aesthetics this year. He looks much better.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Like a baby anymore.

[Jay Skeets]

And someone that's. There's been a lot of talk about his aesthetics. Jalen Brown. I know we'll get into it on the drop tomorrow, but he scored 30 as the Celtics snapped the Cavaliers win streak. And I don't know if you have any notes on it, it was a really quality win from Boston. I was suspect about that line when we did it in pickup.

[Tas Melas]

What's going on here?

[Jay Skeets]

That line doesn't make any sense, but obviously they blew him out of the water there. Yeah, it crushed them. Any notes on Boston?

[Tas Melas]

Just the Cavs. Fourth quarters are questionable. They don't seem to be coming together in fourth quarters. That's all.

[Jay Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

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[Tas Melas]

Who will one individual.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

One player.

[Jay Skeets]

Shay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Number two.

[Tas Melas]

I guess. Lucas. Hurts.

[Trey Kirby]

He's out.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Anthony Edwards is out too. Yeah. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Tyrese Maxey, he's number six.

[Trey Kirby]

Nicely done.

[Jay Skeets]

Giannis.

[Trey Kirby]

Number two.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Number two.

[Jay Skeets]

Do we want. Keep going?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, sure. Not ad. Read trivia. This guy's tall.

[Tas Melas]

Jokic.

[Trey Kirby]

No, I mean Jokic is tall, but he is not the answer. Yeah. And then two guys. Two guys who play similar positions. Are they point guards? Are they shooting guards? I don't know. They score a lot.

[Jay Skeets]

They score a lot.

[Trey Kirby]

One team good, one team bad. No. Nice one though.

[Jay Skeets]

Jalen Brown.

[Trey Kirby]

No, no.

[Tas Melas]

James Harden.

[Trey Kirby]

Devin Booker. Donovan Mitchell, sga. Giannis Wemby. Booker, Mitchell. Max. Okay, that's your top six in odds for most points scored in group play.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow.

[Trey Kirby]

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[Jay Skeets]

All right, let's keep breaking it down then. NBA cup preview time. It tips tomorrow night. TK we're going to make our way, I guess, with some pace here through each group. Are we making predictions? Is that what we're doing here?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Let's make a prediction on each one of these. First of all, do you guys remember who won the cup these first two years?

[Jay Skeets]

Well, yes. The LA Lakers and the Milwaukee Bucks.

[Trey Kirby]

That's right.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

I saw on Peacock they showed the Bucs cup banner when they were taught when they had their game against the Knicks this week.

[Tas Melas]

How'd it look?

[Trey Kirby]

I was pretty excited. Understated.

[Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Probably right.

[Trey Kirby]

I think it was just white with green font and said, we won the Cup.

[Jay Skeets]

Number two, question.

[Trey Kirby]

How excited are you for year three at the Cup?

[Jay Skeets]

Couldn't be more excited.

[Trey Kirby]

You're excited? It starts one week earlier.

[Jay Skeets]

I am. I am. What are we waiting for? And I. I mean, we're like. People are like, are you mocking this? No, I actually don't mind the Cup. We do a goddamn daily NBA show. It's nice to have a little bit of juice, even if it's manufactured here for these earlier games. And I love that it's going to be on Prime. They're going to obviously put a lot of production behind it, I think, and try and make it a bigger deal than maybe even it is. So I am excited as we get into the third one here.

[Tas Melas]

Yes, for sure. It will be a show. It will be an extravaganza. We saw in years past that it's been more. So we'll get to the courts and all that. And with this new NBA TV deal happening, we can see both Amazon, as you mentioned, and NBC making things a thing. It's more of a show, so, yeah, it'll be fun. And there's good groups that we'll get to where there's really good teams involved that want to do something here at the beginning of the season. Like those oldies that we just mentioned. I call the Lakers and the Bucks. You know, the oldies.

[Ad Voice]

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[Trey Kirby]

Veteran teams have done well in the cup, too.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep. Final question. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you respect the cup? 10.

[Jay Skeets]

11.

[Trey Kirby]

Secret answer?

[Tas Melas]

11.

[Trey Kirby]

I bet you didn't know the scale went that high, did you?

[Tas Melas]

We're taking steps from that cup.

[Trey Kirby]

What about you?

[Tas Melas]

I'm. I'm a high on it. Yeah. I like that trophy, number one. I like a cup to drink from if I'm ever there. Like a Stanley Cup, I suppose. Yeah. I think it's. It's decent they're all. Yeah, it's all good.

[Jay Skeets]

Remember, they had the poker chips in the cup.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

And they were asking the players that were there for the semifinals and the finals, how many poker chips are in there? This is a weird little wrinkle to all this. I just realized we have a gambling scandal going on in the NBA right now, and we're going to be sending four teams to Las Vegas, baby. To the capital of corruption. So that's sort of funny when you think about it. And this is our final year where the semifinal teams will go to Vegas next year. Those. Those games will be in your own barn. You'll host those games and then the final will be at a neutral site. I don't even know if we know where it is. Maybe it's still in Vegas for all I know.

[Tas Melas]

But anyway, it's still in Vegas.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Anyway, it's still our last year for the semifinals and finals in Vegas. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Because the last couple years, the semifinals have not had a lot of buzz as far as the audience goes in Las Vegas.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, we. We did move it last year to Saturday.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, they tried.

[Jay Skeets]

Right. We switched it up.

[Tas Melas]

They tried to make it more of a weekend thing. Hey, maybe people will come and support their home teams. But it didn't really happen happen.

[Trey Kirby]

It was like Saturday, Tuesday.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's what it is again. I checked. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. But they know that. They'll show up for a final. There's. I mean, the final gets more buzz than the semi final. It does, yeah. Yeah, it does. It. It does. But we will see. No, I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm trying to remember when I saw Boston Rob there. Was that a semifinal game or the final semifinals?

[Tas Melas]

I think that was semi final. Yeah. Wow. Wow. J.D. remembers the day I saw Boston.

[Trey Kirby]

The day I saw Boston Rob. They should put the finals on a Saturday night so that people can say, I'm booking my ticket to Vegas for the weekend and seeing the Cup Final.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Doesn't matter what the team is next year, I bet.

[Jay Skeets]

Honestly, why not go Friday night? Sunday, like Friday night semifinals and then. And then Sunday the game, and you can make a whole weekend of it. Anyway. Who cares?

[Tas Melas]

Anyway, you guys love the Cup. No chips in the cup this year, I guarantee. No, I know.

[Jay Skeets]

That's what I mean. I can't wait to see if they scale back. Like the. The cards and the poker chips and like that Vegas motif, the razzle dazzle.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Well, you guys. Maybe you guys shared the opening sort of trailer. Yeah. Type of thing.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, that's already Made, isn't it, baby, it's already made.

[Tas Melas]

Was there gambling in it?

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, it was like just. They were action movie. It was almost like Mission Impossible style. Like the cup was on the back of a motorcycle. And it's like all the players like, I gotta get that. It was like Mad Max at the end. They were all driving through the desert towards Vegas and it was like all the teams. Go check that clip out. It was pretty good.

[Trey Kirby]

All right, so we're gonna pick a favorite for each of the six groups here because the winner of each group advances to the knockout round, plus one wild card in each conference, which goes to the team with the best record slash point differential for a second place team, as everybody knows.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, man. The best thing about the cup, point differential.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, this is for the diff Heads, big time. Yeah, you're going in. These guys are giving up the last one minute. You gotta play to that final buzzer.

[Jay Skeets]

That's right.

[Trey Kirby]

You have a favorite group. We just saw them there.

[Jay Skeets]

Did you have one group?

[Trey Kirby]

You're really taking a look at that. You're like, ooh, this one is. This one's the group for me.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, I'll probably. Let me just answer for TAS as well. West Sea, baby. Come on. Group of death that is stacked. The Nuggets, the Warriors, the Rockets, the Blazers, and the Spurs.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

The Blazers is the worst team. Probably. Yeah, that is. That's tough for them.

[Trey Kirby]

And they're what, two and two right now?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, they're good.

[Trey Kirby]

They're good.

[Tas Melas]

Good stuff for all five teams.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Because I went back as a sicko to see what the group was for each of the winners. Way easier.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, for both Milwaukee.

[Tas Melas]

Way easier.

[Trey Kirby]

They had easy groups.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay, good to know.

[Tas Melas]

I think that's a factor then. Didn't have that competition, that's for sure.

[Trey Kirby]

As for me, Group C in the east is my favorite. My grandfather was a group C in the east fan. My father was an east fan. So it's been passed down through the generations. Fanduel odds. Oklahoma City is the favorite to win the cup, followed by the Cavs, Knicks, Nuggets, Magic and Rockets. Magic or up there plus 1700. They're saying bounce back in the Cup.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

We'll get to it. We're going to start in the West.

[Tas Melas]

West.

[Trey Kirby]

Group A. West. Group A is the Timberwolves, the Thunder, Suns, Kings and Jazz. I call this the group of dread. Unfortunately for the Timberwolves, Anthony Edwards is out. He's probably going to miss the games against the Jazz. And the Kings, depending on how long he's out. But, you know, if he's out for two weeks, that's when it takes him out of those games.

[Jay Skeets]

I call this the wild card group. The wild card group because I'm pretty confident two teams are coming out of the West Group A.

[Trey Kirby]

Nice.

[Jay Skeets]

Because I think with that group of death, point differentials are going to be all out of. They're going to be tight probably because it's like, so competitive. All those teams are pretty good. So they could almost like, I don't know, hurt each other's chances to get out as a wildcard team. I think the Thunder win this thing, and I think the Wolves, despite the Anthony Edwards injury, are the. The team that comes out second.

[Tas Melas]

That makes sense. Yeah. Otherwise these other teams are bad.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

We're talking about three of the worst teams in the Western Conference with Phoenix, Sacramento and Utah.

[Trey Kirby]

So Utah. Utah could play. Spoiler good.

[Tas Melas]

They're awesome.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow. And imagine they make it to Vegas. They got the shortest trip to Vegas, right?

[Tas Melas]

Oh, they drive.

[Trey Kirby]

It's like a home game.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Just like our man Andy Bailey drove it last year. Straight from the state of Utah City. Yeah, I just drive. It's like a 10 hour drive. I would say it's pretty long.

[Jay Skeets]

10 hours.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe I'm wrong then in that case, isn't LA closer?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah, LA is closer for sure.

[Trey Kirby]

Utah was. I thought Utah was close, but maybe I'm crazy. I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

Maybe Salt Lake City was close.

[Trey Kirby]

I thought Salt Lake City was closer to Vegas than la, but you know what?

[Tas Melas]

It's six hours. My bad.

[Trey Kirby]

Still longer.

[Jay Skeets]

Still longer.

[Trey Kirby]

It doesn't matter. All right, who you picking?

[Tas Melas]

Oh, okay. See? Easily. But yeah, we could have a wild card, but Utah's gonna put up a fight against Minnesota without Anthony Edwards. Although he'll be back. He'll be back for part of this. Easily.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's right. This does go basically over a month. The group play. Right. It's every Friday for the first four weeks, and then it switches when we get into the knockout. It's like sort of midweek stuff, but he'll be back at halfway through, I guess.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah, I'm with you guys. I think the Thunder win it. And I actually agree with you. Skeets Timberwolves as the wild card. FanDuel has OKC as a minus 220 favorite in West Group A. Not a surprise. They are the best team in the league. As for this weekend, they only have one game on Friday. It's the Jazz at the Suns.

[Tas Melas]

You'd think they'd be a more of a favorite. This is the Oklahoma City Thunder.

[Trey Kirby]

I think they're the biggest favorite in any group, huh?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. It is funny though. We just said, like, point differential is going to play a part. So you're going to see some of these good teams against these bad teams. They do try and run up the score. It's only going to help your chances to move on. But the Thunder have only played in close games. They're not doing last year beating teams by 25. Are they going to get back to that of crushing teams or flying out?

[Tas Melas]

And they might not have the same hunger as the Bucks of last year or the Lakers of the year before that because they're not coming off. Those two teams weren't coming off a title.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. Tasted the cup last year.

[Trey Kirby]

That's right.

[Jay Skeets]

They're in the final.

[Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

So they got someone to play for. It's true.

[Trey Kirby]

It's the only thing they didn't win.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Amazing. West Group B. We got the Mavericks, the Clippers and the Lakers. The Memphis Grizzlies and the New Orleans Pelicans. I'm calling this the group of anxiety. I would say notable injuries. Anthony Davis just went out last night. We're not sure how much time he's going to miss for the Lakers. They've got Luca, LeBron and Gabe out. Luca will definitely miss the game on Friday against the Laker or against the Grizzlies. Could be back sooner. LeBron is back mid November, they say, which means he will miss likely their first two games, which are against the Grizzlies and the Pelicans, but might be back later in the tourney. Clips and Mavs, Gabes out two to four weeks, but they got Austin Reeves, fanduel favorite here. I think it's the Clippers.

[Jay Skeets]

Really.

[Trey Kirby]

Plus two. 10. Yeah. So who do you guys favor in this group?

[Jay Skeets]

Doesn't it feel like this one might be decided? Whoever wins the Clippers Lakers game when they. When they do play each other in this group might just come down to that. I sort of want to swerve and take the Grizzlies, but the way Reeves is playing, I'm going to stick with them balling out. Give me. I'll go the Lakers. It's not all that exciting. I'll say the Lakers are the team.

[Tas Melas]

I don't sense the excitement in your voice for the group.

[Jay Skeets]

I have no clue. The Clippers are up and down. The Lakers. I'm still not 100% convinced mainly because of their injuries. The Grizzlies are like. They look really good one night and sort of like subpar the next. And then, yeah, the other two teams, I mean, the Pels are probably out of it, and the Mavs, they don't. Until they play a point guard, we're not sure. So it's a tough one.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. We expected. The Pels was it. It was two years ago, I guess, when they made to the quarterfinals and they got smashed. If you remember, Zion Williams and Brandon Ingram were in that press conference, looking forward to Vegas, and then they got. They got popped by the Pacers. So I guess they have something to play for. I will just make an excuse for all these teams that they have something to play for, but they all got.

[Jay Skeets]

Something to play for. It's called money.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, that's part of it.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Money, man.

[Tas Melas]

Zion makes a lot of money.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Everybody that makes money wants more money.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. And that's 100% true. That is what money is all about. But they also play for the guys that are 13 to 15 on their rosters quite often because this is a big bonus for them. So, yeah, they will play for a lot of these guys. So who are you going? After seeing the Lakers win two years ago, I can't. I understand why the Clippers are favored.

[Jay Skeets]

Hey, there's an old team.

[Tas Melas]

They're old. This is their NBA Finals.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep.

[Tas Melas]

And they can drive there four hours from Los Angeles to Vegas.

[Jay Skeets]

Damn. So quick.

[Tas Melas]

Why?

[Jay Skeets]

All right, so you're taking the Clips. Yeah, the Lakers. Where are you going?

[Trey Kirby]

I'm going Clippers as well, because they're quite old. Plus 220 for them, plus 260 because they're old. It's all about the old teams.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, it is.

[Trey Kirby]

The group B games this weekend, Lakers at Grizzlies, Pelicans at Clippers.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Lakers at Grizzlies is pretty important, I'd say, in that group.

[Trey Kirby]

Agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely West. Group C. It's the Group of death. We talked about it for a second there. Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, Trailblazers and spurs.

[Tas Melas]

Wow.

[Trey Kirby]

That's four of my top 10 teams in the league. Plus the Blazers, who are top 20, maybe even a little bit higher right now. Definitely middle of the pack. The favorite out of this group is the Denver Nuggets, plus 190. Warriors are next at plus 280.

[Jay Skeets]

Can you. Do you have the schedule in front of you? Who's the first game in this group?

[Trey Kirby]

Like, first game. Nuggets at Blazers. That's the only one that plays this Friday.

[Jay Skeets]

This Friday. Okay. Okay, man. Tass, you go first on this.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I'll take the Nuggets as well.

[Jay Skeets]

Are you taking them?

[Tas Melas]

Okay. Yeah. They're gonna win that first game against the Portland Trailblazers. They're playing incredible basketball. They're up 1 0. And then the other teams in the warriors and Rockets and Blazers and spurs, to some degree, they can say, oh, later on as the. The bracket breaks down here, we're not going to win it. So maybe we don't. Maybe we don't bring it as hard as we did. I'm making an excuse as they. They just won't play to their capabilities. It's just a way to pick Denver who is the best team in this division.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm going to go with the warriors, and it's going to come down to the Warrior spurs game. And Curry's gonna get Wemby again just like he did at the Olympics and hit a huge clutch shot to put Golden State through to the knockout stage. So give me the old guys and the warriors in this group of death.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Night. Night, baby.

[Trey Kirby]

I got the warriors as well.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep. They own the Nuggets by beating them once.

[Jay Skeets]

And nobody's picking a wild card team to come out of this group because of.

[Trey Kirby]

I feel like every team could be two and two.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I know.

[Trey Kirby]

And then one team goes three and one and wins it. I don't know if that's. That literally works out math wise, but it could happen.

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

Let's go east. Let's do it east. Group A, the group of Malays. It's the Hawks, the Cavaliers, the Pacers, the Raptors and the Wizards.

[Tas Melas]

Ugly one.

[Jay Skeets]

My God.

[Trey Kirby]

Pacers are super banged up. Yeah. Mac McClung running point. Hawks are banged up. Raptors are struggling. The Wizards are actually kind of playing well, but losing games. And then the Cavs took it on the chin last night against the Boston Celtics. FanDuel has the Cavs as -125.

[Jay Skeets]

Not a shot. My OCD was kicking in with that graphic that I guess the NBA made that. That. That Pacers P is a little too close to the Wizards logo for my liking. Getting the ick look at it.

[Trey Kirby]

Who do you blame?

[Jay Skeets]

It's just a little too close. I love it.

[Trey Kirby]

You think it's the slant of the Pacers or the curve of the.

[Jay Skeets]

I think they need to make that Pacers logo a tiny bit smaller.

[Tas Melas]

Okay.

[Ad Voice]

It looks huge.

[Jay Skeets]

Just a tiny bit. It went too big. Cavaliers are winning this group. These other teams are not generally good. Some because of injury, some because they don't play defense. The Wizards are a growing team. I do like what I see from them. But Cavs are winning this one.

[Tas Melas]

It's hard to disagree. Yeah, they are the team. And this could be their NBA Cup. Now that we've got. Excuse me.

[Jay Skeets]

This could be their NBA Finals.

[Tas Melas]

Could be their NBA. Now that we see Trae Young also go down. You've got an injured Pacer team. We know that. We've a Hawks team that's injured. The Raptors are not performing and the Wizards are one of the worst teams in the conference. Yeah. This could be the Cavs. NBA Finals. They're coming off last year's playoffs where they underperformed. Let's give something to the fans of Cleveland. And bring home a cup.

[Jay Skeets]

Bring home the cup. This one's for you. You think Donovan Mitchell will yell that in Vegas after they win the Cup?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, definitely not. But it could be playing for something here. It could be. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I like the Cavs in this one as well.

[Jay Skeets]

Don't overthink it.

[Tas Melas]

This is.

[Trey Kirby]

This was the least interesting group to me. Yeah, but maybe it means they'll be toit.

[Tas Melas]

And maybe it means that this will be the winner. Because the Lakers first year, their group, it was with the Suns that was this by far the second best team. The Jazz Trailblazers. And a very banged up Ja Morant. Less Memphis Grizzlies. You just gotta start with a weak group.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, so you like the Cavs, go far in this thing?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Trey Kirby]

Big group A night on Friday. On Halloween, we got Hawks at Pacers, Raptors at Cavs.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, Raps. Cavs.

[Trey Kirby]

Tune in. East group A fans.

[Jay Skeets]

Come on, Raps. Shock the world, baby. Save Darko's job and win the cup.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow. You think that does it?

[Jay Skeets]

Pizza party. Pizza party.

[Trey Kirby]

If you win the cup, eating it.

[Ad Voice]

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[Trey Kirby]

East group B, the group of anguish. It's the Boston Celtics, the Nets, the Pistons, the magic, and the 76ers. This was the hardest one to pick to me.

[Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Because the 76ers are rolling right now. Fanduel, though, has the magic with the best odds.

[Jay Skeets]

What? Hey, what are you doing?

[Ad Voice]

I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

They're plus 210. The Pistons, though, are plus 240. Plus 280 for the 76ers. And then, you know, I feel like the Celtics, not a great start to the season, but looked nice last night. And if they're hitting threes, they got a chance.

[Jay Skeets]

I understand why this one's difficult. I think you could talk yourself into four teams winning it. Like winning the actual group. I mean, nobody's going to take the Nets, but I'll take the Detroit Pistons. That's going to be my Cinderella team to get into the knockout round. So I'll take Detroit. Yeah, but it's tough.

[Tas Melas]

I. It was easy for me to take the business. They're playing incredibly well despite injuries, despite Jay N Ivey being out. They look good. They look like Jamie Bickerstaff's got them all clicking. They've got the. The Perfect rotation, the perfect roster going. They've got guys hitting threes. They don't need. Malik Beasley woke. Talk about gambling problems. There's lots of guys here that are producing. They've got that grit. Isaiah Stewart and Ron Holland off the bench. Be perfect for Vegas. They're going to get there. They're going to get all the way. Yeah, I already picked the Cavs. How can I pick the Pistons at the same time? It doesn't make any sense either way.

[Trey Kirby]

Conference Finals preview.

[Tas Melas]

Conference Finals preview Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

You know, I'm loving from Cade Cunningham.

[Trey Kirby]

Black eye.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, sure. That's cool. His chase down blocks.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

It's becoming a specialty for him. He has like three or four already this season that are like, he's not giving up on the play and gets back and I think surprises guys with how quick he is and his ups. Like, I don't know, he may be sort of a sneaky, like, I don't know, he's a number one pick, but he is sort of like a sneaky athlete to me. He doesn't, like, appear to be like a super athlete, but he is. Anyway, get the highlight reel going with that chase down blocks.

[Trey Kirby]

What about this take from ML Doomsday in the Stream team? Not a single song. Soul will be watching the Raps game with the World Series on.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Friday night.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. It's fair.

[Ad Voice]

Yep.

[Tas Melas]

It's in Cleveland.

[Trey Kirby]

It's in Cleveland.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. It's going to be on at the exact same time because Cleveland's not going to move up the start time like the Raps were at home.

[Tas Melas]

No.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

As I said earlier in the show, Cleveland's got something to play for. They're going to smash the wraps, unfortunately. It sure feels like. So, yeah, I'm with you, ML. They're not.

[Trey Kirby]

So who are you taking?

[Tas Melas]

Pistons are locked.

[Trey Kirby]

All right, I'll go, I'll go. 76ers. They're rolling right now. They're hot.

[Jay Skeets]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Trey Kirby]

Friday schedule. Celtics at 76ers.

[Tas Melas]

Big, big.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, big first game.

[Trey Kirby]

A lot of three pointers in that game, buddy. East, group C, the group of misery. This is the thinking man's Hornets, Bulls, Heat, Bucks, Knicks. Five of the most watchable teams in the league. Four plus the Knicks, if we're being honest.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. The way the Heater playing. Absolutely.

[Trey Kirby]

Heater playing nice. Bulls are playing the best. They're going to play all season. Right now, the Hornets look fun. Unfortunately, no Brandon Miller for them, though. Apparently he's getting some opinions. We got the Bulls at the Knicks on Friday. Oh, wow. Exciting. Very exciting.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, that's not on NBC.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, man, I don't even think that one's on prime.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, really?

[Trey Kirby]

I know what it is.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, that's strange. Bulls and Knicks is done on prime.

[Trey Kirby]

We got Boston at Philadelphia is a prime job. And Lakers at Memphis is also a prime job.

[Jay Skeets]

Come on. I'd rather see the Bulls and Knicks right now. No offense to the Celtics and Sixers.

[Trey Kirby]

That's right.

[Jay Skeets]

Come on.

[Trey Kirby]

That's right. Anyway, Fanduel has the Knicks as favorites in this group, plus 130.

[Jay Skeets]

What you got?

[Tas Melas]

I'm also taking the New York Knicks, I believe, and I believe that there'll be people going with the Miami Heat because they do score some points. This is the thinking man's group for sure. And you see those stats and you say, whoa, this team's going to put up points. But I think the Knicks are the best team and I think they'll get it going against. Sorry, who'd you say they're playing on Friday? The Bulls? Yeah, I think they'll get it going on Friday. They also played a good. A really tough game where he went down to the wire with Giannis in their last game. So I think they have a reason to start one and oh, yeah, I think they're the best squad here. Milwaukee, the old Milwaukee's can't take them. And then how do you take any? How do you take any? That's a delicious beer that they'll be serving at the arena.

[Jay Skeets]

The old Milwaukee. I'll take the Bucks. Yeah, yeah.

[Tas Melas]

You want them to repeat?

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I didn't say that. I just want them to get out of their group. I'll take Milwaukee to get out of the group. I'm struggling to find the wild card in the Eastern Conference. I don't know where it's coming from because it's going to be likely a three in one team with a decent enough point differential. And I'm like, is it this? Is it this group? Probably not, because these are all pretty good teams. Could it be the Knicks, though? Could it be the Heat? But anyway, I'm going Milwaukee and I'm just throwing a dart at the dartboard on this one.

[Tas Melas]

1.

[Trey Kirby]

I like this take from Tomas and the Stream team. All of these teams are top eight in the Eastern Conference right now.

[Tas Melas]

Wow.

[Trey Kirby]

Stacked.

[Tas Melas]

Wow, stacked group.

[Trey Kirby]

Tori and Prince still undefeated in cup play. Oh, there is that, huh?

[Jay Skeets]

Where he's on the Bucks.

[Trey Kirby]

He's a Buck.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, they have Darvin Ham and they.

[Trey Kirby]

Have the Diana from Ham.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, come on, man. Make it three for three.

[Trey Kirby]

I forgot about that.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Oh, now I feel really good about my Bucks pick.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I had the Bucks as well. I'm switching to the Bulls.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, Smart.

[Trey Kirby]

Why not?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, they're hot, man.

[Trey Kirby]

They're hot.

[Jay Skeets]

And then what's your wild card team? Just out of curiosity?

[Trey Kirby]

Bucks.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, so you think two teams out of this one?

[Tas Melas]

Sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. I mean, I may have forgotten to pick a wild. No, wait. I did pick a wild card. My original wild card was the Pistons. I'll stick with the Bucks.

[Jay Skeets]

All right.

[Trey Kirby]

Bulls and Bucks coming out of this group. Why not?

[Tas Melas]

I appreciate life. I appreciate the. The Stream team saying that all four of these teams are in the top eight. I appreciate the comment. Excuse me, Excuse me. Me. Excuse me. I'm looking at the. The four games that the Charlotte Hornets have played, and that's why they're in the top eight, because they beat Brooklyn and they beat Washington.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

So they're two and two. Yeah. Come on now.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, they did.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Ain't good.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, so we all have a different team in this one. This is fun.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Knicks, Bucks, Bulls.

[Trey Kirby]

Let's go. And.

[Jay Skeets]

And look, the Heat will probably win it.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe so.

[Jay Skeets]

Love it.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe so. Catching teams off guard with their unorthodox offense. Speaking of unorthodox off. That's a Skeets like segue. Let's talk about courts. New courts dropped for all 30 teams here. Victor Solomon, you've done it again. They're bright again. So guys, what's your favorite NBA cup court design?

[Jay Skeets]

I can't believe Victor Solomon is doing these again, man. It's unbelievable. Yeah, I don't love this batch the most, if I'm being completely honest. How would you describe these? They're like, there's like gradient designs and there's like these weird little like almost like mosaic patches of the court.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay, sure.

[Jay Skeets]

A lot of overlays, of course. Okay, give me the Hornets as my favorite court. Love the color. And I'm a huge fan of the honeycomb that they always go with. And it looks that blue, that teal with the purple and then the gold of the cup itself. That pops, baby. Yeah, this is. And the hive is alive.

[Trey Kirby]

I like that they always have a cool cup court.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. So give me that.

[Trey Kirby]

I do feel like it's gonna maybe be tough to see the three point line when it's on a broadcast. Looking at it now, it might be.

[Jay Skeets]

It absolutely might be. It does blend in a little bit in some of the lighter blue parts, but you know, Lamelo's taking it from, like, three feet behind the line.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Once again, you'll know what he's shooting at.3. So that's my favorite.

[Tas Melas]

The blue is fantastic. You look at that. That's why they do it on their own floor.

[Jay Skeets]

Do you think Teal's more of a blue or a green?

[Tas Melas]

Wow. It's a great question. It is a really great question. We're talking about the Memphis Grizzlies jerseys and have they have that trim on the side of it, and I don't know what to call. Is it teal? Is it turquoise? I'm not a green. Blue. Name colors, man. So I'm. I'm taking myself out of this conversation.

[Jay Skeets]

He won't even answer.

[Tas Melas]

It's. It's a Teal, I would say, but I. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I asked you what feels more of a teal.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, Yeah, I agree. Yeah, but that's blue.

[Jay Skeets]

It's blue.

[Trey Kirby]

Teal's more of a blue.

[Jay Skeets]

I think a lot of people think Teal's more of a green.

[Trey Kirby]

They're wrong.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, this is why it's a fascinating question.

[Tas Melas]

It's a fun question. It's fun. Sure. We all have different eyeballs, and we always look at things and we all say, well, that's blue. Well, that's because we all see differently. We see the difference.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, don't take my word. Nora's convinced I'm, like, colorblind in a weird way, but I think she is. Right.

[Tas Melas]

Right. You always do. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow.

[Tas Melas]

Because we all see differently.

[Trey Kirby]

So true. It's been said that if you were to see the world through somebody else's eyes, it would be a psychedelic experience. That's how different everybody's vision is.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow.

[Trey Kirby]

They never know. You can never know what it looks like through somebody else's eyes.

[Jay Skeets]

But that's blue.

[Trey Kirby]

That's 100% blue.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. A little bit. I see a lot of green.

[Tas Melas]

I don't disagree.

[Jay Skeets]

Imagine seeing it through a dog's eyes.

[Trey Kirby]

Imagine that.

[Jay Skeets]

I always look at Luna. I love this. Imagine that through a dog's eyes.

[Tas Melas]

Hold on. Really important question. So when you see it through someone else's eyes, you already know what you're seeing through your eyes. Right. You're seeing through both. When you're saying it's a psychedelic experience.

[Trey Kirby]

They'Re just saying it would be so much different than what you see. You know, like the depth perception, the amount of blurry.

[Tas Melas]

That's what. Yeah, that's what we're saying. Things are different. But I'm Just saying, when you go into those eyeballs, when you go into that, you already have your own. You're already. You're bringing your own, right? That's the idea.

[Jay Skeets]

I know. You're bringing.

[Trey Kirby]

You're bringing your brain to the eyeball party. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay.

[Tas Melas]

Just want to know.

[Jay Skeets]

That's the first thing I'm doing if.

[Trey Kirby]

I ever get somebody else's eyes. I'm looking at NBA Cup. I gotta know, Tas, what's your favorite?

[Tas Melas]

I'm going with the Sacramento Kings.

[Jay Skeets]

Really?

[Tas Melas]

I'm not a bright color NBA cup person.

[Jay Skeets]

You're a dog.

[Tas Melas]

Keep it neutral. They've gone extremely gray. Extremely gray with a tiny purple accent. Maybe I'm a little biased to the purple. I know my purples. I keep talking about the Utah Jazz court. Our own no dunks colors.

[Jay Skeets]

I couldn't believe you didn't pick the Jazz because they have a purple court.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

This one is boring, but it's too bright.

[Tas Melas]

The other colors are too bright for TV.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm also on your 22 inch monitor. How many colors does the monitor deliver?

[Tas Melas]

Well, it is. It is bigger than 22. I said 22 yesterday because it's fun to say 22, but it is bigger. Anyway, it's also. Anyways, some of these colors are too bright. As you. You said, Trey, the color of the Hornets. Blue, green. Might make you not be able to see the three point line.

[Jay Skeets]

Your brain may not be able to compute. It is this great.

[Tas Melas]

Well, some of these colors are too bright. Sitting with. Sitting with our casual fan wives. I know. Danielle said last year. What is that thing? What is that thing? Quite often about the Philadelphia 76ers blues? They're too much. Go neutral. And I will say the gray encourages hard work. I will say for the Sacramento. Yeah, they're gonna bring it. They are gonna bring it.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought you read that in a press release. Something from Victor Sol.

[Tas Melas]

Wrote my own. I wrote my own press.

[Jay Skeets]

The gray encourages hard work on the floor.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. They go to other courts and they say, whoa, this is green. This is blue. You're part of the future. They get back to their own gray and they say, this is my job. I'm going to work hard. The Kings don't work hard.

[Trey Kirby]

Anyway, pale mentality court.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah, good.

[Jay Skeets]

This. This Solomon court. He forgot about the Kings. He did 29 tweets. And then somebody was like, you forgot a tea, man. He's like, ah, crap. Is it the Kings? It was the Kings, wasn't it? Okay, here, put some lines on some.

[Tas Melas]

See these Lines. Yeah, those lines, they look nuts. But you don't need to know any plays if you're on the Sacramento Kings. You just follow those patterns. That's your course.

[Jay Skeets]

Do you know what the pattern is? It is a crown. I mean, that is sort of cool, that part. It's a crown in the middle that then radiates out.

[Tas Melas]

Yep. Yeah. Was that by the press release?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that part was.

[Trey Kirby]

All right.

[Jay Skeets]

Trey, what about you? What's your favorite card? Oh, Tass.

[Trey Kirby]

Imagine seeing things through Maya. Cause I picked the brightest court there is. The Phoenix Suns.

[Jay Skeets]

It's a Hellscape court.

[Trey Kirby]

Literally just the orangest court you ever did see. There's a Sun's ball in the back of it. I'm happy they're playing on Halloween. Cause this thing is just black and orange.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, they play on. They do play on the 31st. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Jazz @ Suns.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Suns up.

[Trey Kirby]

Be getting some Trick or treat Love Mortgage matchup Center. That thing is orange.

[Jay Skeets]

You do love orange.

[Trey Kirby]

There's one orange court every year. I think this is the first time I picked it as my favorite, though.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melas]

All right.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, that looks bad.

[Tas Melas]

I like the orange. The orange looks good. It is super bright, but, you know.

[Jay Skeets]

Do you think that's more of a red or a yellow?

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, now, see, don't get me started on my oranges here, because Phoenix Sun's orange for me.

[Tas Melas]

Look at this.

[Trey Kirby]

I love to be able to signal.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I want to be able to.

[Trey Kirby]

Signal to the monitor, Phoenix Sun's orange. It's too yellow in my opinion. I prefer a redder, burnter orange, like this water bottle basketball color. Orange is my favorite orange.

[Tas Melas]

Okay.

[Jay Skeets]

How do you feel about. How do you feel about the leaves we have in here?

[Trey Kirby]

You want me to rate every one of them? This one is good.

[Tas Melas]

Pretty orange.

[Trey Kirby]

Not that yellow. This leaf right here, too yellow.

[Jay Skeets]

Too yellow. Yep.

[Trey Kirby]

Keep it orange. I mean, keep it red, orange, orange.

[Tas Melas]

Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

Now that's an NBA cup preview.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Let's hear from you guys, though, on YouTube, all you podcast listeners, your favorite of the 30 new courts. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Rank them. Rank them all, one through 30.

[Jay Skeets]

What did you think overall, though, when you saw them again this year? Did you not like me? Just be like, okay, totally fine.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Not a lot different.

[Tas Melas]

No.

[Trey Kirby]

But I think that this year and last year, better than year one. I don't. I think the stripe. The stripe one was the worst courts that they'd done so far.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. There's a reason why they brought back last year, because it was better Than year one. Did Solomon not create new stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what you really see on.

[Jay Skeets]

That's Solomon's thing, right? I mean, he does it with the trophies. Yeah, he created one trophy and then just changed the little figurine in each one. Did that courts like you said. Sort of pretty similar to last year's. Like this guy's amazing at like just mailing it in.

[Trey Kirby]

Nah, man. You're dissing vid.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm sorry. Come on.

[Tas Melas]

What about?

[Jay Skeets]

Why is there the only artist that the NBA knows? Vic and Jeff Hilton are the only people they know.

[Trey Kirby]

Jeff does jackets. Vic does everything else.

[Jay Skeets]

There are so many other cool artists that I could use.

[Trey Kirby]

How about this local artist courts?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it'd be amazing.

[Trey Kirby]

Greg Mike's doing them here in Atlanta.

[Jay Skeets]

I heard. Hell yeah. I love Greg Vain.

[Trey Kirby]

That's my favorite graffiti artist.

[Tas Melas]

Killer. Mike.

[Ad Voice]

Mike.

[Jay Skeets]

No, Greg.

[Tas Melas]

I will say they changed probably the colors for a lot of teams.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Tas Melas]

They didn't do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They just said, hey, Nuggets, that yellow was cool last year. Bang. It's burgundy. It's. It's Iran. Whatever you want to call that color. What is that color?

[Trey Kirby]

Big papa burgundy. But look, here's something exciting to watch out for. The Lakers court and the Bucks court. Easter eggs.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna tell you what it is. You gotta find it out. You gotta figure it out on your own. That's right.

[Trey Kirby]

Bring your brains to the eyeball party.

[Jay Skeets]

There is a little Easter egg on previous cup champions. Course.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

All right. Are we going to Vegas again for the cup? And we respect it so much. Should we start getting tickets and hotel rooms and.

[Tas Melas]

Sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Go see Boston Bob again.

[Tas Melas]

Let's do it. Yeah. I mean, we're working on it.

[Jay Skeets]

We're working on it. Okay. Great, great, great. Pick them for tonight. I did take the Celtics last night against the Cavs. You guys had Cleveland said what's going on with that line? That's a little suspicious. And they just straight up dominated them. So I got a much needed win. I'm 4 and 3. I may be in the clear with two nights left. Short month. Troll man. Whoever's in last place will be under the desk maybe tomorrow. Because it could be decided tonight. Tess. When it comes to the game.

[Ad Voice]

Game.

[Tas Melas]

It's a glorious four game schedule. Warriors. Bucks. Juicy. That one on NBA tv. As we've sort of moved past the Thursday on national TV life. That era. NBA tv. It classified. It's classified as a national tv, but it's not tnt. That's the only game on national television. The other one, though, that we're picking from, it's Wemby against the Miami Heat, who score a ton of points. So looking like a fun one in San Antonio. So they're a five and a half point favorite at home against the Heat. So I feel comfortable taking the Miami Heat to lose by five or outright win. Spurs play some teams close. So you guys are comfortable taking the spurs to win by six or more. Why is that?

[Jay Skeets]

Well, first off, I can't wait to see if Wemby shows up in a Halloween costume tonight.

[Trey Kirby]

He said he wasn't going to.

[Jay Skeets]

He said he wasn't, but that's what you say when you want to surprise people.

[Trey Kirby]

Also true.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm hoping he shows up because they don't play on Halloween, obviously, on the 31st. And then I'm just taking the spurs, you know, I mean, it's not that giant line.

[Tas Melas]

It's not that bad.

[Jay Skeets]

Get into some free throws at the end and you're easily going to hit it. But I do like the Heat. They are one of my favorite teams right now.

[Ad Voice]

I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

I got the Spurs. They're good.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. I played the east for the spiciness factor. Like it makes it most exciting for picking games. You know, if that's true, if the Heat go on to cover this game, we got a showdown tomorrow on Friday night for the Troll Man.

[Jay Skeets]

For the Troll Man.

[Trey Kirby]

That's super exciting. And also, like, biggest test for the spurs yet. The Heat are the best team. They will have played so far, so that's cool.

[Tas Melas]

So if it's New Orleans, Brooklyn and.

[Jay Skeets]

Toronto, if the spurs covered, do you want to just because you would lose and if that happens, would you want to do Troll man tomorrow on Halloween or a Troll man on Monday still?

[Tas Melas]

Well, if we get that Amazon delivery and it's here, then yes. Okay, we can make that happen.

[Jay Skeets]

Hands of Bezos.

[Tas Melas]

Come on.

[Jay Skeets]

I think it's good. I think the. It's going to be delivered. Your package is going to be delivered today.

[Ad Voice]

All right.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm pretty confident about that, so. Okay. We'll see. Task needs a Heat to cover big game.

[Tas Melas]

We should have done a pickup. An Amazon pickup and then go to.

[Trey Kirby]

Whole Foods and grab it.

[Jay Skeets]

Amazon pickup. I didn't even know you could do that.

[Tas Melas]

You did know that.

[Jay Skeets]

Where am I picking it up from? Where am I picking up a troll costume?

[Tas Melas]

They have locations.

[Trey Kirby]

I know. They have drop offs. I've not.

[Tas Melas]

I've never done a pickup. I mean, Midtown Right in the heart of the city.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm not going down there. Crazy Atlanta traffic. That's insane.

[Tas Melas]

Take a subway.

[Jay Skeets]

Dude, I gotta drive to the subway. Then take the subway. Pick up my troll costume for you, by the way, and then come back. You go get it.

[Tas Melas]

I got no problem driving a car. It's not that bad. Atlanta traffic. Horrendous, huh? I know.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, it's brutal. Yeah, it's bad. Like, I just saw a report. It's like, obviously it's always been one of the worst, but now it's like they figured out that there's no even good time. Like, there's almost no thing as rush hour anymore in Atlanta. It's just always bad.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.

[Trey Kirby]

It's true. Sometimes you drive home at 10 o' clock at night on a Wednesday and you're like, I'm sitting in traffic.

[Jay Skeets]

I know. Sometimes it's 15 minutes.

[Trey Kirby]

Who knows?

[Jay Skeets]

Later today we are recapping episode six of Survivor 49, no buffs. Its own YouTube feed, its own podcast feed. Come join us live at 1:00pm Eastern. Hey, Wemby, we're gonna be in costume for no Buffs.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, we are.

[Jay Skeets]

You can do it the day before Halloween. So come check out our costumes on no buffs at 1pm Eastern. Again, that is its own separate YouTube and podcast feed. Breaking down last night's episode. All right, that was a long, long episode here today. We had some laughs talking to Toronto Blue Jays here.

[Trey Kirby]

18 innings. Every single podcast.

[Jay Skeets]

I know.

[Tas Melas]

We didn't even talk about baseball today.

[Jay Skeets]

No, we didn't. I think right now we just don't want to jinx anything. That was like a. That was like just a professional ass kicking. I thought, you're the baseball guy. But that was awesome.

[Tas Melas]

It was awesome.

[Jay Skeets]

Incredible pitching.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Bats were alive right from the jump. And the defense, you brought everything.

[Tas Melas]

They brought everything to the baseball party.

[Jay Skeets]

I know somebody that bought tickets for Game 6 in Toronto. Good tickets. So there's that caveat. But how much do you think they paid? Two tickets.

[Trey Kirby]

Two tickets. $7,500.

[Tas Melas]

That's a good game.

[Trey Kirby]

Higher. $75,000.

[Jay Skeets]

Lower. Ten GS.

[Tas Melas]

That's a lot.

[Jay Skeets]

Ten GS. Two ticks for game six of the World Series Friday night. You think they close it out on Friday night or you think it goes.

[Tas Melas]

To Game 7 on Yamamoto? The Yamamoto experience. Yeah, that's going to be tough.

[Trey Kirby]

Just throwing seeds.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? I can't predict. I didn't think in game five. I watched Davis Schneider and his mustache come up from the dugout for their first at battle. I thought, what? They're rolling out this guy, number one. I respect David Schneider, the number 28 round pick. It's cool to see him. But he let off with a dinger. I had no idea that was coming. Nobody had any idea that was coming. So I'm not making predictions.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melas]

But they're gonna win this series.

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That's crazy. Wins.

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We'll.

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Well, I was gonna say we'll talk about it tomorrow on the Drop, but we won't. There's no baseball finally on tonight. And of course it's the night where there's only four basketball games on.

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Thanks for joining us. And remember, anybody got a quick quote? I saw you were going to say something last time. I've got a. I've got something to say about the defense and the soccer play of Ron Holland. I would say that's awesome. He's so good at not showing that he's performing a kickball, you know, just to get around the refs. He's able to put his foot in a spot on defense. They can't recognize it as a kickball. He's just smart. He's just super smart.

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He's awesome. That's cool. That's all I gotta say about that.

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