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Mind Games Host
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human what if mind control is real?
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Trey Kirby
If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?
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Mind Games Host
Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?
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Tas Melas
When you look at your car, you're.
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Stugatz
Gonna become overwhelmed with such good feelings.
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Mind Games Host
Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?
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Trey Kirby
I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.
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Mind Games Host
Can you get someone to join your cult?
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J.D. Skeets
NLP was used on me to access.
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Mind Games Host
My subconscious mind games. A new podcast, exploring nlp, AK Neuro Linguistic Programming. Is it a self help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Stugatz
Stigatz here. I have a podcast empire that I have brought here to iheart and I'm also hosting a daily live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern. Cults to Gods and Company live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes. Every single day you can expect a lot of laughter, great guests, a ton of co and a lot of fun. Listen to Stegotson company Live and our original podcast, Stugatson company and God Bless Football. And you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
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J.D. Skeets
Yes, it's still Tuesday, February 3rd, 2026. This is no Dunks. We're in the yard. I'm J.D. skeets, we got Tasmelas, we got Trey Kirby and we've got some trades. Multiple trades coming through here this afternoon. Let's break them down. How you guys doing? Did everybody even get lunch in before we jump into these? Because I'm starving right now. I didn't eat.
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Tas Melas
I was dressing a salad while looking at my phone. An alert pops up. Boom. Salad being dressed, mouth dripping, lettuce, everything coming out. As I'm reading this, trying to interpret how many guys are going which way. Yes, I'm fed.
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J.D. Skeets
TK did you get any meatballs in?
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Trey Kirby
I did. I had a giant bowl of leftover spaghetti and meat the balls and they were delicious. Now I'm protein powered. Ready to talk trades with the fellas.
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J.D. Skeets
Yeah, let's do it. If you're new here, thanks for joining us on YouTube. Hit the like button. Subscribe. We go daily with this show, 10am every day, Monday through Friday. So make sure you join us then. First trade. We'll start with the one that came while Tass was eating salad and that is the Memphis Grizzlies are trading forward. Jaren Jackson Jr, John Conchar, Jock Landell and Vince Williams Jr. To the Utah Jazz for Walter Clayton Jr. Kyle Anderson, Taylor Hendricks, George Niang, the minivan himself and three future first round picks. Seam's the first to report this though. I saw Jake Fisher's mustache reporting that. The Jazz when it gets into those picks, it is the most favorable of the 2027 first round pick between Cleveland, Minnesota and Utah. The Lakers 2027 first round pick, top four protected, and the Suns 2031 first round pick which is unprotected. So here we go. Tas Melas, Jaren Jackson Jr. The first domino to fall in Memphis going to the Utah Jazz. Your thoughts?
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Tas Melas
I can't believe I'm saying this. This is a win win. I'm excited for both teams in this scenario. I'm pretty happy for the Memphis Grizzlies to reset. What they got with Jaren Jackson Jr. At the top wasn't getting them anywhere deep into the playoffs. They have that sort of issue going on so they needed to max out what they could get for Jaren Jackson Jr. And all those names you threw out there, Skeets, I mean what it really comes down to is the three first down, first round picks. But I think Walter Clayton was important in receiving that. And those picks as you broke down there, that's a favorable pick, that first one, that's a big juicy one. The Laker one and the Suns one. I think that's as good as you can get for Jaren Jackson Jr. Right here, right now there's lots of depth, you know, currently on that roster, but right now they just needed a complete entire reset. And as far as the Jazz go, yeah, I can't believe but I think they can't just continuously go into the draft and keep missing. That's what they do. They literally, they've got four guys who could play in the Rising Stars Challenge in a couple weeks. Zero of them are playing. I'm sure they would have actually asked the Memphis Grizzlies, hey, can we give you Ace Bailey for Cedric Coward as well. You know we kind of messed that one up last year. So going to build around Keonte, George, Larry Markkanen and Now Jaren Jackson Jr. Three guys who could score. Obviously this is such a great compliment for beside Lowry, Markkanen to have a five beside him who will defend the rim because Lowry is decent on ball, good player, help player, but not great at defending the rim. So you know, there's some questions as to who starts around them. I think with those three scoring guys guys who are capable of scoring. I think Vince Williams that who they just got back is literally an option. Or Walker Kessler if you're going to go huge like the Cavs did with Jared Allen, Evan Mobley and Lowry Markkanen, they have options there. I think just overall this team is looking kind of like the Portland Trail Blazers are right here right now this season, like hopes of a.500 team. So I do like the complete reset of that team.
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J.D. Skeets
Okay. Trey Test calls it a win win. Two thumbs up from both sides here. He understands what both squads are doing. What do you think?
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Trey Kirby
Well, first and foremost we got all sales, some trades. Delicious stuff. Great to actually see the slop season kicking off and I'm actually with Tass. I think this is good for both teams. I'm personally proud as well. I had Jaren Jackson Jr. As my number one trade target and he was traded. Check mark. But yeah, let's start with the Jazz side of things because I do think this is them hitting the gas a little bit on their rebuild. They kind of been stuck in neutral since trading away Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert. They had that great first season with Markkanen in Salt Lake City, went to the All Star Game, but then they traded away the remaining parts of their veteran corps that was around the Gobert Mitchell team and they haven't really been able to even recapture that sort of a feeling since then. So this is them getting a frontcourt mate for Lowry Markin and I think it's a pretty good fit. Like Tas is saying, Jackson is more defensively tilted than Markkanen is. Markkanen is still going to be the main scorer. I'm interested to see what Will Hardy will do with Jaren Jackson Jr. Because I think a lot of the success for Markkanen comes from from the system that Will Hardy has put in place that really features him and plays to his strengths, coming off of screens and getting him the ball moving rather than having him just have to attack a set defense. I wonder how he will be able to use Jaren Jackson Jr. Who's more of an ISO player, more of a bully ball guy. I wonder if he will get some easier baskets now that he's in Utah. I'll have a little bit of concern for the rebounding with those two guys. Neither of them are big boardsmen I don't think. But like Tass is saying, they could play a huge lineup. They could start Ace Bailey at the two with Keonte George there as the starting point guard as well and then just have A lot of positional size, which should make their defense at the very least a little bit better. But the Jazz were stuck in their rebuild. They have so many surplus picks that they're barely trading any of their own draft capital.
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Tas Melas
Right.
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Trey Kirby
This is things that they've acquired in other deals. So to turn two spare picks, plus one of their own, I suppose, into a player like Jaren Jackson Jr. I think this is great because they haven't had a lot of great success in the draft. Keonta George has become a find, but other than that, it's like, who are you necessarily tabbing as a building block? Ace has shown some potential. I think he's been better lately, but still too early to know. This at least gives them a pathway forward to building a competitive team in the Western Conference. It'll be fun to see Jaren Jackson Jr. And marking him playing together because they're both really versatile players on both ends of the court. So I'm excited for that. As for Memphis, I just think this is smart. Once they traded Desmond Bain, the writing was on the wall. They could blow things up. It went poorly this season and now they've got 13 first round picks in the next seven drafts. As Bobby Marks noted, that is tied with a couple of other teams for the most in the league. That means they can take less for Ja Morant. That means the rebuild is completely on. Around Cedric Coward, around Zach Eddy, assuming he's able to get health and stay on the court. So I personally have thought Jaren Jackson Jr. Was totally checked out on the Grizzlies this year. He played an awesome game against the Timberwolves last night. Looked the most engaged I've seen him this season. He must have known the trade was coming and he wanted to go out and give the Grizzly fans something exciting to remember him by. So I think this is a win win for both sides.
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J.D. Skeets
Yeah, I can't say I disagree. I get the reasoning for Memphis and we can talk about what this means for Ja Morant and him potentially being moved here in the next couple days before the deadline. But yeah, from the Jazz side of things like, this is a historically bad defense. I know it's, you know, they've been okay. They've won 15 games. Like they're 20 games below.500. They have won 15. Maybe that surprised people. But it is so bad defensively. They just hope they win a run and gun game and nobody wants to play defense for 45 minutes and then they can hold on and get the victory. So adding a guy who is Still a really good rim protector. And Jaren Jackson Jr. For draft capital, like you guys said that you had accumulated in all these other deals and all these other teams picks up and that's all it took, really, to get them. I like it. I like it. And man, what a core. If they hit in this year's draft, like, if they keep their pick, which they have to keep their pick still, it's top eight protected, right. Otherwise it's going to the Thunder. But if they keep it and let's say get. They get a little luck in the draft lottery and jump up into like the top four, three, whatever, and get one of these superstar sort of guards.
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Tas Melas
Wow.
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J.D. Skeets
Like, that would be a special core, I think, having moving forward. So I think that's good work. And yeah, the Grizzlies have just like, yeah, we saw the writing on the wall now, Fisher wrote. You know, they knew they were doing this as soon as they started entertaining John Morant trade offers and rival executives saw an opening to deal for Jaren Jackson Jr. And the market for Triple J was just much better, much more, more robust than it was for anything for John Moran. Again, that's according to Jake Fisher. Do you think, though, tas, that this just means maybe it's not this return in terms of the draft capital, but John Morant's next and we go somewhere.
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Tas Melas
Else before the deadline, that would be the move, that would be the smart move. And it's not going to be the same draft capital that Jaren Jackson Jr. Just got, but it is a teardown and it's just an optimal time that they're able to go get this for Jaren Jackson Jr. And pivot and do the exact same thing as. As much as they can for John Moran. You know, I say it's. It's just the opportune time because they have to. They are just, you know, hanging out and in sort of this mediocrity because they've got, you know, depth and they've got a really, really, really solid player in Jaren Jackson Jr. But your draft picks aren't going to be all that great if you continue just to be in that middle of the road. So they have to get worse. And this was the time to do it, to keep Jaren Jackson Jr. Around as this whole John Morant kind of cloud hangs over them for years and years and years was, I thought, worrisome coming into the season. And so just to keep him hanging around past this season would be less than ideal. But this is just the absolute perfect time. And as you mentioned about the trade value for Jaren Jackson Jr versus others in this league, I'm not sure exactly if, you know, depending if we see Giannis trade get traded or not, if there is an actual better package that we're going to see be dealt by Thursday. I mean three first round picks being the primary part of it. But this is, this is a good get for Memphis to turn this thing around.
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J.D. Skeets
Trey, do you think it's possible we see these two teams that just traded here in Memphis and Utah pass each other in the standings as the Grizzlies try and make their way to the bottom of it and the Jazz, if they add Jaren Jackson Jr. And he plays and he helps them, that they creep up there but want to remain in the bottom eight. Like what do you think here? Or is it just like they'll both be bad? Don't worry, we'll probably have an injury for Jaren Jackson Jr. I throw that in air quotes coming up.
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Trey Kirby
It wouldn't be surprising to see a mystery injury pop up for Jaren Jackson Jr. Because you mentioned the top eight protected pick. That is going to be tight. Utah is currently sixth in lottery odds right now. They have 15 wins on the season. Eighth and ninth in lottery odds are Dallas, 19 wins, and Memphis, oddly enough, with 19 wins as well. So Memphis is going to get worse though they can't be much worse than they have been recently. The Jazz though, it's going to be, they're going to have to pull some shenanigans I do believe, to keep this pick or at least hope that they get some luck on lottery night. Yeah, they've, you know, they've done a good job of keeping their veterans healthy during the last month of the season as things have started to really matter in the lottery races. So I don't think Jaren Jackson Jr. Alone means that the Grizzly or that the Jazz are going to start creeping up the reverse standings. So yeah, I think he'll find a way to sit here and there, but they gotta at least see what they have in Markkanen and Jackson together on the court. So they'll play a little bit together, let Keonta George run the show for a while, give the Jazz fans something exciting to see and then get ready for next year because at the very least they're hoping that this is the last year they have a great chance in the lottery. Maybe they'll still have 1% chances here and there as the season, as the seasons go on, but this is their last really good shot at one of these top picks, but I think it's worth it. They've been trying for a top pick for years and years, like Taz is saying, and they just keep ending up at the fifth or the ninth spot, so maybe a sunk cost already somehow. The Thunder just have chances at so many lottery picks, and they're looking better and better all the time. Like, they're, they're thrilled if this James Harden trade goes through with the Cavs because that makes their Clippers pick better. They're probably happy that Jackson is going to the Jazz because it makes it more likely that they get the 10th pick or something like that. But, you know, that trade happened a long time ago. Derek Favors has been retired for years. If you can get Jaren Jackson Jr. For leftover picks and some guys who could have been a part of your future but not locked in, you got to do it.
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Tas Melas
Yeah. And as far as Keonte George's growth this year goes, I think his growth just allowed the Jazz to make this trade happen because they saw an incredible guard handling the ball and they could say, all right, we are absolutely going for it. And we've decided we are going to trade away draft picks to get a great defensive player to help out this stinky, stinky defense. And so just that all, all the growth in the off season, him with Will Hardy have definitely allowed this to happen.
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J.D. Skeets
Yeah, I mean, I agree with that because they, like, feel like they have maybe a core now. Jeremy Jackson Jr. Is not old by any means either. I mean, he feels like a lot older, but he really isn't. So, yeah, they, like, they're thinking we get Walker Kessler back after the shoulder surgery. We have Keonte George, we have Lowry, Markkanen. Yeah. Ace Bailey, obviously hoping to grow into a better player. Now you had Jaren Jackson Jr. To help defensively. You still have other guys on your team that you maybe hope to pop off in a sense of all and stuff like that. So. Yeah. And then the pick, if they keep the pick and obviously add that to the, to the crew here, that's a. It's a nice little team moving forward that's been in the doldrums here for a while. Like you guys have said, fun little note here.
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Tas Melas
I do think, I do think Memphis makes this deal with Walter Clayton in mind because the guy, I know he hasn't made headlines this year, but he's been finishing. He's been finishing games with Will Hardy playing the guard. And look, the scoring numbers, not so good. But. But watching him play, you could Tell why he was a college champion last year. He can score on his own. The, the hope is that that shooting comes around, which you imagine it will, but that guy just, he gets after it defensively. So you know that, that, that's just a part of it. That's the whole part of the Memphis thinking. I think where that was, that was. It's a good get. When all is said and done, he will be a player.
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J.D. Skeets
Yeah, I think. I'm sure the Jazz didn't want to include Walter Clayton, but, you know, maybe this was like the sweetening to get it done here or it was going to be another first round pick. It's like, okay, we'll go Walter Clayton instead. And yeah, the, you know, the Grizzlies need to have a junior on their team too. They just traded two juniors for one junior. Yeah. So I don't know how you feel about that, tk There's a lot of Jays here.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah, I mean, they got Scottie Pippen Jr. Already.
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J.D. Skeets
Oh, okay. Well, they still have two then. That's good.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah, they got a lot of guys who are backup point guards in Ty Jerome, Scottie Pippen Jr. And now Walter Clayton Jr. But it doesn't matter. They're going to trade John Morant by the deadline. They're going to get a bag of beans back. They're going to be one of the worst teams in the league, and they're going to hope that Zach Eddy gets healthy next year and that they hit somebody in the lottery and are able to build the next edition of the Grizzlies team.
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J.D. Skeets
Yeah, I saw this fun fact. I guess we can call it that by way of NBA Reddit, the 2018 draft, which is, you know, one of the better drafts in history. The top 11 players have all been traded now during their careers, and they listed them all, at least their first trade. Ayton, traded from Phoenix to Portland. Bagley traded from Sacramento to Detroit. Luka traded from Dallas to the lakers. Jaren Jackson Jr. Now traded from Memphis to Utah. Trae Young, traded from Atlanta to Washington. Mo Bamba, traded from Orlando to the Lakers. Wendell Carter Jr. Traded from Chicago to Orlando. Colin Sexton traded from Cleveland to Utah. Kevin Knox, traded from the Knicks to the Hawks. McHale Bridges, traded from Phoenix to Brooklyn. And then Shay Gilders Alexander traded from the Clippers to OKC. Miles Bridges at number 12, holding on for dear life with his original team. That's a crazy, crazy stat there. By way of crazy. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And like some talent, like I said in that list too crazy. Crazy.
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Mind Games Narrator
What if mind control is real?
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Trey Kirby
If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?
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Mind Games Narrator
Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?
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Tas Melas
When you look at your car, you're.
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Stugatz
Going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.
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Mind Games Narrator
Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?
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Trey Kirby
I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.
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Mind Games Narrator
Can you get someone to join your culture?
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J.D. Skeets
NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.
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Mind Games Narrator
Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.
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Trey Kirby
It's about engineering consciousness.
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Mind Games Narrator
Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work.
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Mind Games Host
This is wild.
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Mind Games Narrator
Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Stugatz
Stugatz Here I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow and I have brought it here to iHeart. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugatson company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.
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Tas Melas
I love you guys show.
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Trey Kirby
It's one of my favorites.
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Stugatz
A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you could expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugots Co. Live. So listen to Stegotson Co. Live and and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugots Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
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J.D. Skeets
Anything else on the Grizzlies trading Jaren Jackson Jr. To the Jazz here in a seven player deal that if you're just joining us, I'll tell you what all the moving parts were Jaren Jackson Jr, John Konchar, Jacques Landell and Vince Williams Jr and his guitar headed to the Utah Jazz for Walton, Clayton Jr, Kyle Anderson, Taylor Hendricks, George Niang and three future first round picks. Anything else TAs on this one?
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Tas Melas
Yeah, I would hope that the Jazz find some good defenders to play around Keonte George just on the perimeter because it's still a That's still a hole. Who is defending the perimeter on that team? It's a fair question to ask and that's the issue there. From there, the biggest question is Yusuf Nurkic is definitely expendable. Will the Toronto Raptors be able to attain Yusuf Nurkic? Somebody needs to get him. The salary might be too big for the Toronto Raptors just because of how much they're paying their top end guys. And they're not getting rid of their top end guys for use of Nurkic. So they got to, you know, put together a few different pieces to get up to Nurkic's salary. But I know we're all thinking, where's John Morant gonna go? But where's Mr. Yusuf Nurkic?
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J.D. Skeets
Not this sick ride right here. You're thinking John Morant and Giannis Tass is thinking Yusuf Nurkic, baby.
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Tas Melas
The Raptors need one massive body to hit the other bodies on the other team. They need one. That guy could be it at 16. I think it's around 16 mil. It's high.
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J.D. Skeets
No, he's closer to 20 mil, that guy.
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Trey Kirby
It's a good deal. It's a good deal for Nurkic.
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J.D. Skeets
I think so. It's like 19 something, but I hope it's not goddamn Raptors getting use of Nurkic.
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Tas Melas
It's an expiring contract.
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J.D. Skeets
No idea. I didn't say that. But it's 1920, isn't it? You have to trade a lot to get to that.
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Tas Melas
That is nice.
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J.D. Skeets
It ain't going to be ochay abaji. 19 points too big for the wraps. I think they want Goga instead. All right, well, we had another trade. Let's talk about this one just quickly. Right before we were about to go live, a second trade hit the stream team and this one was a three team deal. Chicago, Minnesota and Detroit agreeing to a deal that sends Jaden Ivey and Mike Conley Jr. To the Chicago Bulls and Kevin Herter and Dario Saric to the Pistons. Detroit also receives a 2026 first round protected swap by way of Minnesota. So we got a Bulls fan here in the mix. Trey Kirby, your thoughts on Jaden Ivey and Mike Conley Jr. Going to your team here?
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Trey Kirby
I don't know what to do with myself. The Bulls might win two trades in a week. Is that allowed?
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J.D. Skeets
I don't know.
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Trey Kirby
I don't know if that's ever happened before. But Ivey to me is a good buy low candidate for the Bulls. They trade Kevin Herder, who is an expiring contract. They trade Dario Sarich, who just showed up and was never going to be a part of this team going forward. Got two second rounders in the process of doing that deal. So to turn two guys who weren't a long term part of the team into still a young guy in Jaden Ivey I think is a pretty smooth move. He's only 23 years old, turning 24 here pretty soon. He was a high draft pick. He showed in college that he can thrive on speed and I don't know that we've seen him be able to thrive in the NBA outside of that. But the Bulls are a team that likes to play fast. I think this kind of shows that they will be moving on from IO Dasumu and Kobe White, two more guys who are trade candidates heading in to Thursday. If they're trading for a 23 year old, it just feels like he is going to be at least first in line to be a replacement there. So he'll have a lot of opportunity in Chicago to show that he's more than he has been for the Pistons. But he does have to be more than he has been for the Pistons. But still a solid buy low deal here I think for Chicago Pistons next is kind of where I look. Kevin Herder I think can be a good bench shooter for them. Detroit is only 21st in three point percentage this year, 27th in makes. They do need more shooting now. Herder is shooting 31% from three this year. Not great. But he is a 37% career shooter so he's probably in the rotation at the very least as a guy who can shoot. And for the Timberwolves this is just all about getting under the second apron so they can aggregate contracts. They're shipping off Mike Conley $10 million off the books for them for nothing. Saves them some tax and gets them some flexibility. So I think it might be a win, win, win. It just could be a win, win.
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J.D. Skeets
Win type of day.
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Tas Melas
Wow, wow wow. Yeah. As far as Jaden Ivey goes, I want to see him healthy for a full season to see how he can grow. After we saw him at the Cosmopolitan pool once upon a time when he was just a young kid, I thought there is definitely some prospect for this guy. Watching him on the floor in his games, I wanted to see him for a full season under J.B. bickerstaff in Detroit. That hasn't worked out but hopefully it will in Chicago. Now with Mike Conley Jr. It's so odd to see Minnesota just get basically expend him. It's obviously for the money and it is unfortunate. What do they do from here? Is a fair question. I mean, is it strictly about money or is there somebody coming in to fill that hole shortly? Because a place where they're lacking is a ball handler. So it sure makes sense that they would go get some. Either oldie or some cheapy. One one or two or both. If it does work out. I'm starting to fall off the. The Chris Paul bandwagon. He's obviously both of those things. Both old and both the ball handler and both a guy who can throw, you know, throws weight around a locker room, which is something they may need. So I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case in that instance. And as far as. Yeah, Kevin Herder is exactly what you mentioned there, Trey. He is big Herder, big game winner. No, Kevin Herder, game winner. Kevin Herder winner. Whatever he is, he's hit a game winner this season. He can.
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Trey Kirby
Game seven Kevin.
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Tas Melas
Game seven Kevin. Sure.
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Trey Kirby
That's what they called him here in Atlanta after that one awesome game seven against the 76ers.
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Tas Melas
Oh, what a series. He was so good. That was. That's where Kevin Herder's career peaked, unfortunately. But he hit the game winner a couple weeks ago. Right. I mean, that was what I thought was.
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Trey Kirby
Yes, he did.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was part of his season.
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J.D. Skeets
Yeah.
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Tas Melas
So that's right. Here we are.
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J.D. Skeets
He did the pretend fallback like he was Derek Rose or reaction.
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Tas Melas
Yeah. So he can go hit some shots for the Pistons. I don't think there's any doubt of that. But Minnesota has to have something cooking here, right?
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Trey Kirby
Oh, yeah. They're in the. I mean, they are in the rumors for Giannis and for James Harden. They've got to be looked at as a jama rant team. I would think so as well. And getting under the second apron means they can combine some of their lesser used players into a bigger deal. So this for sure is a first of many moves for the Timberwolves.
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J.D. Skeets
Yeah. Because they create tax savings, significant tax savings. And then, yeah. They also open up a roster space too. There's that part as well, with a couple guys going out from Detroit side of things. Like, okay, Kevin Herder hit a game winner. He's not a great three point shooter. He is for his career. He struggled this year. I'm not the biggest Herder fan. He'll have his moments. I'm just like a little bummed out that this is all the Pistons ultimately got for Jaden Ivey. And I get it because, like a contract situation's coming up and you have Kate, you have your star guard and then your other pieces. But I was hoping at this deadline, we talked about it, like, would they make a move for Michael Porter Jr. Or like, could they come over the top for like a Trey Murphy III with a lot of draft capital? Like, I feel like that's unlikely now and that's probably right. They're going to slow play this. They're trying to win a playoff series, obviously, like, they're the best team in the east this year, but it is usually baby steps with this stuff. Like, I don't think anybody's saying they're going right through to the finals despite having a great record. So I get that. But just a little, little bummed because I think it's a nice pickup by the Bulls. I'm with you, T.K. like, it's by low, obviously, and I think he is a good player. There's still a really good player in there who, you know, was injured and then was coming off the bench this year. And yeah, I didn't have a huge opportunity. I would have loved to see him get back to what he was doing last year there when he was. Yeah, that 40% three point shooter and was attacking a lot more. And he's super young still, of course, so. Nice move by the Bulls. You've won two trades in a row, my man.
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Trey Kirby
Well, let's see. Let's see. Ivy literally do anything. I. I feel like he hasn't hardly showed anything in the NBA. He can't really finish in sh inside, which is a problem because that's the majority of his offense. He's more of a driver and a transition player right now. Bulls want to be in transition and they need some young guys who at least have upside. And Ivy, I do think has that.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, but he started last season so well, shooting.
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Trey Kirby
That was 30 games, man. It was 30 games.
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Tas Melas
Yeah.
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Trey Kirby
You got to do it for a whole season.
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Tas Melas
Yeah. Well, then he had his fibia broken. I mean, that was a part of it. Maybe I'm wrong about the fib. Anyways. The lower, lower part of his leg when he was literally taken out, his feet taken out from under him by Cole Anthony and he didn't have this season's training camp. He's been hurt for a long time. So the guy starts to rise in year three and then bam, he's broken. So, yes, he hasn't. He hasn't peaked. It's a. It's a good buy for sure.
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J.D. Skeets
He's only 23 years old, almost turning 24 birthday right around the corner. February 13th. Look at that. Happy birthday in advance to Jaden Ivy. Anything else TK Here on either of these two trades today. Should we just sign off before a third one happens? Because maybe now we're rolling here.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah, maybe we are rolling. I have to think that the Bulls will continue to be active shopping their guys. We'll see if there's any takers. My guess is that you can probably get with the way the market is, like, you can probably get IO or Kobe for a combination of like maybe. Maybe like one protected first round pick for either of them. More likely like seconds. Like, nobody's going to take Vuch. That's a buyout guy for sure. Mike Conley, does he stick around in Chicago? Like, nice vet to have around, but he could be using his time better, I think in Chicago. But we'll see.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, that's a good call. I've always been high on the idea that I. Odisumu would go to Denver to be on their bench. But even his expiring deal might be a little too much for them. But Mike Conley could fit just to have somebody out there. Obviously not as good as IO Dasumu, but they need a ball handler to help them. Just, just, just in case. Just to be that Reggie Jackson when you need him for 15 minutes in a playoff game and then, yeah, go and win the title. There's. They just need one more ball handler there and.
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J.D. Skeets
Trey, correct me if I'm wrong, but Dario Saric never played for the Chicago Bulls. But did he. Did he get a number? Did they give him a jersey number?
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Trey Kirby
Oh, I never. I never saw a. Dario Sarich will wear X for Chicago ball Bull.
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J.D. Skeets
Okay, I didn't see it either. I didn't know if I missed it.
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Trey Kirby
So, yeah, I think he was kind of. It was known that this is a contract man, rather than. Than a player man.
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J.D. Skeets
Yeah. So he is obviously spun to another Central Division team here. So at least he's in the area. He's still by the Great Lakes.
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Trey Kirby
I lied. I lied. Apparently he was supposed to wear number 20.
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J.D. Skeets
Number 20. Okay. That's what he wore. That's what he wore. The Kings, I think he didn't play a lot, but I'm pretty sure that's what he wore.
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Tas Melas
He's worn before for sure.
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J.D. Skeets
Yeah. Yeah, he definitely was a 20 man. Okay, we'll call it there. Again, if you're just joining us, you're new here, maybe to no dunks. What the hell's wrong with you? But we go live every morning 10am Eastern. We'll be live tomorrow unless we're back for a big James Harden trade, Giannis trade, John Morant trade some other big name maybe that we're not even thinking about. So make sure you subscribe, hit the like button. Share the Show Podcast listeners, We love you too. Leave your boys a five star rating and review. While I have everyone's attention here, I'll remind you once again we will be live on Thursday Trade Deadline Day special starting at 10 going all the way through till 3 at least PM Eastern, maybe 4 as we just hang out and react in real time to all of the deals that we hopefully get and otherwise we'll just hang out and have a blast with you in the chat. So that is on Thursday, but we'll see you tomorrow. Until then, Clubber Bros. You heard it here first.
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Trey Kirby
Have a great time. Turn up. Love you guys. Awesome.
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Thanks for joining us. And remember, we'll see you in five minutes.
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J.D. Skeets
Maybe brace those five minutes people.
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