Giannis-Knicks Trade Rumors & First-Time All-Star Draft

Summary

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No Dunks Podcast

Episode: Giannis-Knicks Trade Rumors & First-Time All-Star Draft

Date: October 10, 2025
Hosts: Jay Skeets, Tas Melas, Trey Kirby, JD

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Episode Overview

This episode of No Dunks dives right into the latest NBA headlines, focusing primarily on trade rumors involving Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Knicks. The crew analyzes the plausibility of a blockbuster deal, considers the futures of the Bucks and Knicks, and the broader league implications. In the second half, the hosts run a spirited draft, selecting players they believe could become first-time NBA All-Stars in the upcoming season. Along the way, there are insights on player development, team aspirations, and the ever-evolving All-Star Game format.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Rumors and Future with the Bucks

[03:46–22:11]

Shams' Report: Giannis to Knicks?

• Shams reports Bucks and Giannis discussed his desire to be traded to the Knicks if things went south.
• A day later, Giannis reaffirms commitment to Milwaukee, but keeps the door open, saying:

  “It’s human to change your mind.” (Giannis, via paraphrase, 04:29)

Hosts’ Takeaways:

• Jay Skeets:

  “Giannis is still with the Bucs. He would like to remain with the Bucks for now unless things sort of fall apart. This is same as it ever was…” (04:30)
  Shakes off this report as another round in the recurring “will he/won't he” saga.

• Trey Kirby:

  “You may find yourself living in Milwaukee. You may find your brother signed to your team. And you ask yourself, how did I get here.” (04:47)
  He delivers a witty nod to the ongoing drama, referencing how the Bucks have tried to keep Giannis happy—even re-signing his brother, Thanasis.
  States, “I don't also think that the Knicks are going to pull off a trade for Giannis. It just doesn't make sense this season.” (04:59)

• Tas Melas:

  “The Bucks are not trading. Yeah. Set to go bow this season, that is for sure.” (05:44)
  Stresses Bucks will cross the bridge only if Giannis himself asks out. Buck’s FO met with Giannis in Europe to communicate their commitment (06:17).

Trade Feasibility (Knicks + Draft Capital):

• New York lacks enough first-round picks for a solo blockbuster. Would need a multi-team deal, routing contracts and assets (06:54).
• Next ‘inflection point’ for Giannis-Bucks: Summer 2026, when extension eligibility and leverage rise.

If a Trade, What Kind?

• Trey: Suggests if forced to trade, Bucks might pivot for established talent (like Karl-Anthony Towns & OG Anunoby) over youth/picks, to avoid becoming a bottom feeder (08:14).
• Tas: On New York’s starting lineup with Giannis:

  “I'm buying into a Brunson Adetokounmpo center of a team... I do it.” (09:09)

• But everyone agrees: Only happens if Bucks implode & Giannis demands out.

Value of Timing, Leverage, and Media Strategy

• Skeets: Wonders who leaked the rumor, and if it’s Giannis’s camp quietly pressuring Milwaukee (10:48).
• Trey:

  “Even if he was lying, people would have believed Giannis, but he was honest about it…does this benefit the Knicks? Kind of. It makes them more attractive to Giannis and kind of puts them in the driver’s seat.” (11:20)

• Tas:

  “He’s giving this a one year trial. That’s what Giannis does. He’s loyal.” (12:49)

• Giannis’ actual quote:

  “Now, if in six, seven months, I change my mind, I think that’s human too…But I’m locked in. I’m locked into this team.” (12:03)

What Would Keep Giannis in Milwaukee?

• Bucks making meaningful playoff progress would help, not necessarily a ring:

  “Forward momentum...would be big time because Giannis has been better than he was during his MVP seasons.” (16:55 – Trey)

External Factors

• Giannis’ family rumored to have relocated permanently to Greece—a fact hosts view as an intriguing subplot (17:44).
• If Knicks perform well, may not be motivated to trade all their assets for Giannis—a la the Melo trade overpay (18:39).

Who Else Could Be in the Mix?

• If wait until summer, Rockets, Spurs, Hawks, Mavs could outbid Knicks (19:22).
• Knicks need action sooner; if not, become dependent on Bucks’ goodwill.

Notable Quote:

“That is Giannis we’re talking about here. I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do and hopefully he’s healthy next year in the playoffs…Because part of why they haven’t been out of the first round…is he’s been hurt.” (20:54 – Tas)

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2. Trade Rumors: Lauri Markkanen & the Utah Jazz

[23:51–32:11]

Is Markkanen Actually on the Block?

• SI’s Chris Mannix: Jazz are “very open” to trading Markkanen, who has never played a playoff game after nine seasons.

  “Lowry Markkanen is the name I hear most frequently.” (23:51 – via Mannix)

Analysis:

• Trey:

  “I think this makes sense…maybe the limiting factor will be Danny Ainge. The guy sets a high price.” (24:25)
  Markkanen has a huge contract ($46–$53M over coming years).
  “Lowry Markkanen, one All-Star appearance, zero playoff games. I think he's played the most games in the NBA without making to the postseason.” (25:06)

Suitors & Fit

• Pistons/Thunder/Kings listed as teams who could use his skillset, but hard to match his salary (29:02).
• Jay Skeets:

  “Because of his contract, like, you don't want to give too much for him as well. Like what is his ceiling as he hits 29?” (30:15)

Comparison to Past Late-First-Time All-Stars

• Markkanen could be a multi-time guy, but context limits potential.

Fun Fact:

• Most games played without a playoff appearance: Tom Van Arsdale (929). Markkanen now leads active list (27:30).

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3. Lakers Injury News: LeBron James’ Sciatica & Season Start

[32:11–36:41]

• LeBron will miss at least 3–4 weeks with nerve pain (“old man injury”), first time he’ll ever miss a season start.
• Trey:

  “He might be the first NBA player to miss time for a prostate exam.” (33:41)

• Luka Doncic also missing time; both will join teammates later, possibly impacting chemistry with new arrivals like Deandre Ayton.
• Crew speculates LeBron will try to return by Halloween “Cup Night” given his love for the holiday (35:51).
• LeBron needs 50 more games to become NBA’s all-time games played leader (36:31).

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4. Deep Dive: 2026 NBA All-Star Game Format

[40:49–43:50]

• New “round robin” tourney with three 8-player teams: two USA squads, one World.
• Format likely a product of NBA’s continued push for international engagement and coinciding with Winter Olympics coverage.
• Open questions:
  • How are teams selected (vote, coaches, “fudging” to get best names)?
  • Is the World team now harder to qualify for than USA? “It’s harder to make the World Team than the US” (44:31 – Tas)
• Hosts agree the All-Star Game feels like a work in progress and reminisce about previous, less convoluted formats.

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5. The First-Time All-Star Draft

[47:18–68:45]

Format:

• Each host drafts a squad of 5 players (no snake draft), picking who is most likely to make their first NBA All-Star appearance this season.
• Major focus on picking international players who could squeeze onto the limited World squad.

Drafted Players:

• Jay Skeets:

  1. Franz Wagner
  2. Chet Holmgren
  3. Trey Murphy III
  4. Cooper Flagg
  5. Derrick White

• Tas Melas:

  1. Jamal Murray
  2. Ivica Zubac
  3. OG Anunoby
  4. Andrew Nembhard
  5. Norman Powell

• Trey Kirby:

  1. Amen Thompson
  2. Jalen Johnson
  3. Josh Giddey
  4. Payton Pritchard
  5. Matas Buzelis

Notable Quotes:

• “You may find yourself living in Milwaukee…you may find your brother signed to your team…”
  (04:47 – Trey, channeling Talking Heads to describe Giannis’s saga)
• “He is giving them one single year. He is buying in…And then he's giving this one year ticket.”
  (13:39 – Tas on Giannis)

Draft Insights:

• World team: Fewer spots means international players have a much tougher path.
• USA team: Injuries to stars like Tatum, Lillard, Halliburton could open slots.
• Several “lottery tickets” and humorous picks in later rounds (e.g., Matas Buzelis, Payton Pritchard).

Debates:

• Importance of stats vs. narrative/flavor in All-Star selection.
• For first-timers, easier if team's a surprise playoff squad.
• Side chatter about rare “older” first-time All-Stars.

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6. All-Star Draft “Snubs” & Notable Unpicked Names

[68:45–71:09]

• Desmond Bane, Deni Avdija, Brandon Miller, Jalen Duren, Deandre Ayton, Austin Reaves, Michael Porter Jr., Mikal Bridges, Kobe White, RJ Barrett, and many more discussed as potential long-shot first-time selections.

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Memorable & Fun Moments

• Trey Kirby drops the podcast’s most memorable bit:

  “He might be the first NBA player to miss time for a prostate exam.” (33:41)

• The group’s running jokes about team-building, whacky All-Star formats, and snakebitten Survivor contestants.

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Episode Timestamps

• Opening Bants/Season Preview Notes: 02:13
• Giannis-Knicks Trade Rumor Deep Dive: 03:46
• Lauri Markkanen Trade Discussion: 23:51
• LeBron Injury Update: 32:11
• All-Star Game Format Chat: 40:49
• First-Time All-Star Draft: 47:18
• Draft Snubs / Wild Card Picks: 68:45

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Takeaways & Tone

• Informed but irreverent: The No Dunks crew mixes deep NBA knowledge with signature humor and references, striking a balance between substantive rumor breakdowns and playful speculation.
• Realistic optimism: The Giannis/Bucks dynamic is acknowledged as delicate, but nobody predicts a big midseason trade. On All-Star picks, analysis reflects the league’s changing landscape, especially with so many international stars.
• Fan engagement: Listeners are invited to debate the All-Star format, suggest their own picks, and enjoy the casual, friendly arguments.

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✓ Perfect Episode for:
NBA fans navigating perennial superstar rumors, those curious about next-gen All-Stars, and anyone who enjoys basketball talk with wit and camaraderie.

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[Tas Melas]

Good day everybody.

[Jay Skeets]

Next to him it's our go to big mans Trey Kirby. Hey hey yo. And over yonder making the magic happen super producer JD Hello. There he is. Here we are.

[Trey Kirby]

Excellent.

[Jay Skeets]

The NBA season previews continue. If you missed them, go check out our over under picks for both the Eastern Conference did that on Monday and then the Western Conference on Wednesday. Going through all 15 teams in in each conference, talking them out and then ultimately leaning whether we're going over under when it came to Their lines, courtesy of FanDuel. Had a lot of fun. Got some social content out of it, actually making some boards. It's on record now boarding with the boys. That's right. So you can go see how we do. Follow along. Any regrets from your 30 picks?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I still think I'm going 180 in both conferences.

[Jay Skeets]

You're including your locks as a double down type of thing?

[Trey Kirby]

Of course.

[Jay Skeets]

Nice.

[Trey Kirby]

Those ones count more, for sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Absolutely. Those are the ones you're really putting the big money on, so go check those out. Going to continue today with a little fun. We're going to draft potential first time All Stars. We'll do five rounds. We're going to pick a lot of guys that we think might have a case to maybe make their first All Star Game, which we'll get to it. When we get to it. The whole idea of, like, how the hell are we even doing this All Star Game? Because we got the world and usa, like, we know maybe what they're doing with the round robin of it all and the teams, but how are we getting to it? I mean, the voting and all that.

[Trey Kirby]

That's a question. That is a question.

[Jay Skeets]

Remember conferences? Does the league know?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. I think the conferences are going to stay the same. Can't wait to talk about it. Can't wait to talk. Adam said he's going to announce this whole format.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Before the start of the season.

[Tas Melas]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

So he's got like 10 or 11 days.

[Tas Melas]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

To finalize. That's coming up later here on no dunks. But we got some news to chew on. Let's start with Asham's report. This was on Tuesday. He reported that the Bucks and Giannis had discussions this summer centered around Giannis's desire to be traded to the Knicks if he and Milwaukee were going to part ways. So the two teams talked, but nothing of great significance emerged. A day later, Giannis made it clear that he believes in the Bucs. His main goal is to win another championship. Although he left the door open to a potential trade down the road or a potential move down the road, saying it's, quote, human to change your mind.

[Trey Kirby]

That's true.

[Jay Skeets]

So, Trey, I guess the news here. Giannis is still with the Bucs. He would like to remain with the Bucks for now unless things sort of fall apart. This is same as it ever was, I think with Giannis. We've sort of done this song and dance before.

[Trey Kirby]

You may find yourself living in Milwaukee.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes.

[Trey Kirby]

You may find your brother signed to your team. And you ask yourself, how did I get here. Bucs haven't won a first round series since 2022. I believe Giannis wants to win in Milwaukee. I don't think the team is there for him in Milwaukee, so he's locked in. They brought back Thanosis after he was out with injury all last season. They did the Miles Turner deal, shipping Damian Lillard out, finding a way to use that $50 million some way. The Bucks are doing everything they can to keep Giannis, and I think given a perfect scenario, Giannis would retire a Milwaukee buck. I don't think they're in a perfect scenario right now. I don't also think that the Knicks are going to pull off a trade for Giannis. It just doesn't make sense this season. So I believe Giannis when he says, I'll play this year for the Bucks and then reassess things. But if I'm the Bucks, I'm like six or seven months. How do we improve in six or seven months and show Giannis that we are on the pathway to being a competitive team in the Eastern Conference?

[Tas Melas]

The Bucks are not trading. Yeah. Set to go bow this season, that is for sure. But if you listen to Yanis de Gumpo, he keeps talking about his legacy and what he wants to be, and it sure is clear around him that they have a good team, but it ain't a great team. So it will come to a point 12 months from now or 10 months from now. At the end of the NBA season where Giannis discusses this again with John Horst in the front office. He discussed it this summer in Europe with Horst. I was watching those Eurobasket games. Horst was there, Doc Rivers was there, Darvin Ham was there. They were all there. They all had a discussion with Giannis. Janis said, coming back to training camp, I don't talk about this during the season. I'm a man who talks about things in June, July, August. Whenever I get to relax and have a little Saganaki and chill out and talk about things, that's what's going to happen. I find it very, very, very hard to believe that the Knicks and Bucs pull the trigger on a trade in February this season. That to me, that's too soon. Also, the Knicks just don't have enough. So it ain't going to happen. That is not going to happen.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, New York is basically devoid of first round picks. You know, they're swaps, sure. But for the Knicks to land Giannis here, let's say this season, around the deadline, at least one other team has to be, I think involved for New York to get multiple first round picks into some sort of package. Right? So they'd have to send players to get picks in a three team or a four team deal to then reroute to Milwaukee for this to have any chance. The Knicks have the contracts, they have the money to do it. But if you're the Bucs and you're moving off of Giannis, you have to imagine it's a whole rebuild, of course, and that means get young talent, get some draft capital, which they just really don't have a whole lot. The real infliction point, though, you said it, Tass, is this relationship between Giannis and the Bucs is it sort of comes next offseason. That's when he's extension eligible and he could be offered a max deal from the Bucs at the time of like four years, let's call it 260 million. But he could use some leverage in all of that if he really wants to get to New York and sort of hold that over Milwaukee and sort of get it out there for everyone to know, like, okay, yeah, you can take these best offers, but like, I may not look at an extension only with one place in mind. Unless it's one place in mind. So there's that. But I agree with you guys, I don't think this is happening this, this season unless the Bucks are just complete garbage.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, well, the other way the Bucks are going to trade Giannis, period, is if Giannis says, I want to be traded, they're not just going to do it proactively. It's not going to be a Nico Harrison thing where they're just like, I'm not sure about you, if we should build your team around. If we should build our team around you. They've built teams around Giannis for a decade. At this point, they got to the absolute pinnacle. They're on the downside right now with not a lot of things to do. But if Giannis says, yeah, I want to be a New York Nick, maybe the Bucks then decide to work with him. And you look around, the draft capital isn't there. But Carl Anthony Towns is a good player, OG Anunoby is a good player. Bringing those two guys keeps you competitive. You already traded away your picks in the future, Milwaukee did. So there's no point in them being the worst team in the league. Trading Giannis away for just young guys. I think they would rather take back some players that keeps them competitive. And then it becomes a question for the Knicks, like, would you trade Carl Anthony Towns and OG Anunoby for Giannis. Is your team better?

[Tas Melas]

I think the answer is yes, you do it. Now, those guys are super talented for sure, but I'm buying into a Brunson Adetokounmpo center of a team. Now you start to think of Carl Anthony Towns and OG Anunoby would be the guys most likely to go to Milwaukee. So what is. Yeah, there's other deals for sure, but what is the lineup with Brunson and Kumpo starting for your Knicks? It's probably along with Mikhail Bridges as your perimeter defender type of guy. Josh Hart and then one of the big centers like Mitchell Robinson to start. I do it.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, it's a good lineup.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I understand. I. From the Milwaukee Bucks side, I think it's definitely. You gotta be a little reluctant to say we're. If Giannis says I'm leaving to even trade him for Karl Anthony Towns and OG Anunoby, I would be reluctant. You got to trade Giannis, who is one year older than Karl Anthony Towns, for what reason? I don't really understand. It has to be draft picks. I think that's the only way to do it. But if I'm the Knicks, yes, I'm buying in. I think Giannis at the four with Mitchell Robinson to help him out with the five just eliminates that whole idea of we've got Brunson and Carl Anthony Towns in a pick and roll situation that's just not all that great defensively. So I think that gets rid of that. I'm buying into the. The two dogs, the two alphas of Brunson and a den Kupo. I'm, I'm doing it. I understand there's some reluctance there. You look at the roster.

[Trey Kirby]

Carl at the dance is a freaking great player.

[Tas Melas]

OG was a great player. But, but, but, but we're talking about Carl here, who's again, not much younger, og a guy who has been injured and so if I'm John Horse in the box, I, I'm. I'm super reluctant to make that trade.

[Jay Skeets]

What do you think about the timing of this report here from Shams a couple days ago? Like I said, I think he had it scheduled tweet at 7am right near the start of the NBA season. You know, Shams told us this was going to be an eventful off season.

[Trey Kirby]

He was wrong.

[Jay Skeets]

He was dead wrong. There was next to nothing. It was a lot of Kaminga talk, if we're being honest. But do you think this is Giannis's team camp sort of giving this to Shams to, hey, like, I guess send the signal or keep this fresh. And everyone's like, where do you think this came from? Is my question.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, I think part of it came from Giannis being asked at media day and not denying that talks had happened. You know, he could have easily shut it down right there. Even if he was lying, people would have believed Giannis, but he was honest about it and said, yeah, I was looking around, teams were considered. And so that kind of throws a wrench in things because I can't tell. It's like, on one hand, this does put pressure on the Bucks, but what are they supposed to do? There's no real other moves for them to be made. So does this benefit the Knicks? Kind of. It makes them more attractive to Giannis and kind of puts them in the driver's seat. So I can't really tell which side it's coming from. We know Shams is generally tied in with agents.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

So you would maybe lean towards coming from Giannis's camp. And if that's the case, I think that's kind of scary for Milwaukee.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, for sure it is. I will give you the full context of Giannis's quote there on Wednesday, because I said that whole thing where, like, it's human to change your mind, but he did say it like this. Now, if in six, seven months, I change my mind, I think that's human, too. You're allowed to make any decision you want. But I'm locked in. I'm locked into this team. I'm locked into these guys, to this group and to this co staff and to myself. So I bring that up because, like, the six and seven months part is sort of important.

[Tas Melas]

He's.

[Jay Skeets]

It sounds like to me, he's like, all right, let's give this year a go. We got Miles Turner here. You know, maybe these guys and Kevin Porter Jr. And Gary Trent Jr. And all the guys they brought back. Bobby Porter Jr. Like, maybe this works. You know, Banged up east is six.

[Tas Melas]

Seven months before the trade deadline. No, no, no, it's after. Yeah, I'm with it.

[Trey Kirby]

It didn't say eight months, which would be the NBA Finals.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. He's giving this a one year trial. That's what Giannis does. He's loyal. He's giving this another trial, but he does meet with his owners in the front office every single year. Now, I won't. I shouldn't say owners, because he did also say, when asked about his meeting with Wes Edens, the owner, he said, I don't recall that meeting happening in June and that was a thing. He didn't meet with him. He does meet with the front office. It is LeBron, like in the LeBron days with the Cavs. You got to do something here, man. You got to do something. They did that. They got Miles Turner. They are trying something.

[Jay Skeets]

They've always done something in their defense and maybe hasn't always worked. I mean, the Damian Lillard, unfortunately, yeah, Drew Holiday did and now they're trying again with Miles Turner.

[Tas Melas]

So, yeah, they're giving them. He is giving them one single year. He is buying in. Not only did he say what you said there, Skeets, but he also said Ryan Rollins has improved a lot. Cole Anthony is what I'm buying into. Essentially. He's buying into all the guys around him. And like I said, he doesn't talk about these things in November, December, January and February. He is locked in. That's what he's doing. And then he's. He's giving this one year ticket. That being said, well, this is not.

[Jay Skeets]

Going to go away if The Bucks start 5 and 15 right. Or they struggle out of the gate.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. And the Knicks are giving this a one year trial as well. What they have here, right here, right now, when they signed Mikel Bridges to that extension, they said, this is what we're doing. Yeah, I thought they were going to wait on Mikel Bridges, keep that paint dry and see what they could trade. Instead. This is their lineup, this is who they got. And on the other side, they, they sign Miguel Bridges, they go and fire their coach after making the conference finals, they are ready to buy in. So it works both ways. If the Knicks somehow, there's no freaking way of this, but start 10 and 30 or are terrible, even 20 and 20, then there's going to be some more time.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, of course. Or if Bridges can be traded February 1st.

[Tas Melas]

That's right.

[Jay Skeets]

I think is correct. So right before the trade deadline.

[Tas Melas]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

So there is a small little gap there.

[Tas Melas]

There's a small gap, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

But I'm with you. It'd have to go terribly wrong for the Knicks, who are really struggling and of course equally as bad, if not worse, for the Bucks for this to sort of like kick up again and get another Shams report, which. Don't worry, it'll happen.

[Tas Melas]

I'm one of the type of people that was initially thinking, when I saw are the Knicks going to improve here, getting out of the Kubo, I initially thought they're getting the best player in the trade. Yeah, like a lot of people do. Then you start to think about it and you start looking at it. And yeah, I had to think about it and I was a little reluctant, but I still think he is the best player in the trade. He's not frigging old. He's in his prime. I would do it. Or are you guys in the same boat?

[Jay Skeets]

You guys are saying, like, if it's Kat and og, like, those are two really good players. Like, we are in this world of like, first and second aprons, right, where it's important, team building, depth and all that critical. More now than ever. So 2. You're sending out two really good players for one better player. I get that. We would usually say no brainer. Do it. You have a guy like him, top five mvp. You always do it. But, like, it is a little different now. We're seeing teams that go far and compete. It seems to have. Having more talent across the board is a key to success.

[Tas Melas]

I think they have enough depth. Even if they trade Cat and og maybe I'm still buying in.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, well, we're going to be talking about this, I'm sure, all season long.

[Tas Melas]

Yes.

[Trey Kirby]

And all next summer.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes.

[Trey Kirby]

Because I don't think we're anticipating the Bucks really making a run at the championship this year.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, but that's a good question. Like, what. What has to go well for the Bucks to like, squash anything in Giannis is mind of leaving, you know, like, like, I'm with you. Another first round flame out. Brutal. But let's say they get to the second round or conference finals or whatever, Right. Like, it's a really good year. It's nearly 50 wins again and they go in the playoffs. That might be enough.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, forward momentum, I think would be big time because Giannis has been better than he was during his MVP seasons. Maybe not quite the defender he was back then when he was winning defensive player of the year as well, but he is on unstoppable offensive force and he's got a better shot now. He's a better ball handler, he's a better passer. Like, Giannis has improved. He's going to play hard. The team isn't very good around him, so it's going to be on him to carry the team to multiple wins. And if they can win a first round series. I don't know if making it to the second round is anything but. The guy lost in the first round, he's like, it's all about steps to success. Still one of the weirdest press conferences that has ever Been. But that's a step towards success next round. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's a good point. Have you been working your Greek sources, by the way, with Giannis's family moving back permanently to Greece? Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Actually.

[Jay Skeets]

Got anything for us?

[Tas Melas]

I didn't bring that up. I should be. I need to confirm that apparently. Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. That's what they're.

[Tas Melas]

What if Mariah and the kids and the four children. Yes. His wife Mariah and their four children are permanently moved to Greece, apparently.

[Jay Skeets]

Right, right, right.

[Tas Melas]

That is.

[Jay Skeets]

And it's a tough. And it's a tough flight, apparently, from Milwaukee to Greece.

[Tas Melas]

So that's why. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Over in New Jersey, apparently.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. The other. The interesting side, if the Knicks have a great season, which most people are projecting them to have a frigging really good season, they will be the team that is not wanting. Yeah. I understand. A couple. Right. They'll be taken out of the equation and there could be other teams. Even if the Bucks don't do well, it's the Rockets, potentially the Spurs. You could go on for a few. Several teams. But if the Knicks, which is very, very good possibility, make the NBA Finals, I assume they're not doing it.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. And also the Knicks have sort of been here before when they got Carmelo Anthony back in the day and traded probably way too much to ultimately land him, and it was like there wasn't a whole lot left around, Melody. So maybe they've learned their mistake there. Yeah. But you're right. If they're like a Final Four, Final Two team. Yeah. I don't think you're, like, chomping at the bit to go get Giannis, but maybe it just diminishes your potential package that you're offering if the guy really just wants to come to you anyway. So maybe that helps you out by being dominant. You get them sort of for less, potentially.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. And the flights are best from New York to Greece rather than Houston to.

[Jay Skeets]

Greece or San Antonio. That's super far, man.

[Trey Kirby]

It's interesting, though, because I think the Knicks would rather get this done sooner rather than later, because if it gets to the summer, they don't have the best package. That would literally just be the Bucks front office doing Giannis a favor, because if it becomes a Giannis sweepstakes, like, there are teams that are going to be able to put players and picks into packages. The spurs, the Rockets, the Hawks, the Mavs can offer things that New York simply won't be able to.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. At this time, they don't have it. And so you're Saying one more year, another year of OG getting older. Carl Anthony Town's getting older, plus Jan is closer to the end of his contract.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, I mean, more, they don't have picks. Yeah, like the spurs can throw in a ton of picks. The Hawks can throw in Milwaukee's picks. So they could really tank and get Jalen Johnson, who I think is from Wisconsin. Like, that's a kind of a nice move for Atlanta and for the Bucks as well. Just if it gets to the summer, it becomes easier or more teams are available to make offers. And the Knicks offer won't look as good unless Milwaukee's like, we want to stay a 45 win team.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I saw some of. I think it was our friends at the Athletic who brought this up, that maybe somebody out there, one team out there thinks, oh, Giannoby is our next guy to put us over the top and they make an offer to the Knicks for whatever it is, a couple first round picks.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Tas Melas]

At some point that's how you get.

[Jay Skeets]

The draft capital to then make a juicy, honest package. Yeah, I think if that's happening this year or whatever that's happening to happen, I think one of their. But then you're depleting. Like now we're talking about like the Knicks are getting rid of like three starters to make a Giannis trade happen. Right now you're starting to get to a point. I think we're like, okay, maybe we are doing too much.

[Tas Melas]

Right. Right. From their perspective. But from the Bucs perspective, I get why they want some frigging draft picks rather than becoming what, a 500 team with, with. With Kat and OG. That's no disrespect to Kat, but this is Giannis we're talking about here. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do and hopefully he's healthy next year in the playoffs. I shouldn't say next year. I mean this coming season in the playoffs with all these guys around him. Because part of why they haven't been out of the first round for the last three seasons is he's been hurt. He's been hurt for one of them. He was mostly hurt in the second one. And then this past season where Dame was hurt and he got into it with John Halliburton, there's that whole thing.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Pretty weird.

[Jay Skeets]

John Halliburton step to him.

[Trey Kirby]

Held him up.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Wow, that feels like 10 years ago to me. But that wasn't that long ago.

[Tas Melas]

Was.

[Trey Kirby]

They're like, no, this guy, he can't come to any more playoff games than unexpectedly, the Pacers went to this Game seven of the NBA Finals. They're like, actually, John, come back. Be chill, buddy.

[Jay Skeets]

Was he just, was he allowed to sit courtside eventually? By the end? No, he was like, in the box or whatever.

[Trey Kirby]

They gave him one row closer every game.

[Jay Skeets]

Earn your way back. All right, well, let's. Unless you got anything else on Giannis and Milwaukee and the New York Knicks of it all.

[Tas Melas]

Check.

[Jay Skeets]

Let's pivot.

[Tas Melas]

I got to check my Greek sources.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, you got to get locked in there. Like, we got to know where they are. I'm sure they got a nice, beautiful new place. I'm sure it's glorious.

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[Tas Melas]

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Jay Skeets]

Cut the camera. They see us.

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Jay Skeets]

Excludes Massachusetts. But let's talk about Larry Markkanen here because according to SI's Chris Mannix, the Jazz are very open to trading Markkanen. When answering the question of who are the names to watch at the trade deadline, Manix said, quote, larry Markkanen is the name I hear most frequently. Utah passed on an offer from Golden State for Markkanen in the summer of 24, believing a stronger market would materialize. It didn't and right now there is a belief that the Jazz are very open for business. More of the same here, Trey, but Mannix saying very open like they are looking here. What do you think?

[Trey Kirby]

I think this makes sense, that the Jazz should be open to a trade and maybe the limiting factor will be Danny Ainge. The guy sets a high price for his players in trades. We hear after every trade deadline moves that Danny Ainge almost made. Right. Like he. They call him Trader Danny, but it doesn't always happen. And you factor in the contract now that Markkanen is on, it's huge. 46 this year, 46 next year. 49. 53. The guy is the 16th highest paid player in the NBA. That's crazy. Lowry Markkanen, one all star appearance, zero playoff games. I think he's played the most games in the NBA without making an to the postseason.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, really?

[Trey Kirby]

Of active players. It's kind of hard to figure out. On basketball reference, I was having to do a lot of stat head radial button clicking to figure it out, but.

[Tas Melas]

Colin Sexton would be my next.

[Trey Kirby]

I think Colin Sexton maybe made it with the Cavs.

[Tas Melas]

He didn't play in it.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, he didn't play. But you're right, they did make it one day.

[Trey Kirby]

They made it.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

So he's.

[Jay Skeets]

I just said that the other day, didn't he?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

How many games has he played?

[Tas Melas]

407 versus Lowry's 450. So there you go.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I'm good with the buttons.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought about Jeremy Grant, but he got in there for like OKC and then one Denver year. Yeah. Yep, yep.

[Tas Melas]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Like Larry Markin's in his ninth season, 29 years old at the end of the year. Does he ever want to play an important game?

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

We'll see. Because I think that would be part of it too. Him being like, hey, I'm wasting my time here. He signed through 2029. His age 32 season. Like this is his prime. If he's going to have any sort of impact in the NBA trying to win something, it's not going to be in Utah because by the time they're actually good with these young guys, they have Ace Bailey's looking nice in preseason. I mean it's been like two games, but at least he's looking like he could be a big time player for them in the future. It's still going to be a while before he's good enough alongside Markkin. And at that point is Mark and tailing off? I don't know, but it just seems like an Uneasy fit to me because of how much further along in his career Markkanen is. It feels like he's been in the league for five seasons, but it's year nine. Like he's been around forever.

[Jay Skeets]

You think he's traded this this season test? I think they finally do it here.

[Tas Melas]

I. I think so. Lowry Markin is so hot right now in terms of every single trade rumor. And I think this finally makes sense. He's been there for three seasons and he's 28. He's going to be 29 at the end of the year. They keep swinging and missing on draft day and I think that was a huge factor. Let's say they win it and Cooper flag is there. Very different scenario. But it's been a couple years here where Taylor Hendricks the year before that didn't work out. So I think this is the time. It sure makes sense again. 28. It would. It has to come now because they're not going to be good for a few years. It does make sense. Although I did check Trey. I needed to double check most games played in regular season without any playoff games. Lowry Markin is the active leader. This is a great basketball reference page. You can literally. It literally just pops up. Literally everybody else is inactive. Miles Bridges is the second one and Colin Sexton is the third one.

[Trey Kirby]

Teammates. I think it's going to extend those guys.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, but they're gonna add anywhere between 50 to 82 to that number. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. The all time leader would have never guessed this guy.

[Jay Skeets]

All time leader.

[Tas Melas]

I would never guess this guy.

[Jay Skeets]

Because you never heard of him.

[Tas Melas]

Well, it's funny because you guys have probably said his name very often over the last year. He just comes up. Maybe not very often, but the name comes up. It's an old name. So I'm surprised that this guy played.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. What are we talking about?

[Trey Kirby]

What era?

[Tas Melas]

We're talking. Let me. Let me double check. We're talking the 60s. I can't believe this.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh boy. Oh boy.

[Tas Melas]

60S to 70s.

[Trey Kirby]

Pistol Pete, Harry the Horse Gallatin.

[Tas Melas]

He's a three three name person. He's got three parts of his name.

[Jay Skeets]

Is it Dick or Tom Vanarsdel?

[Tas Melas]

Tom Van Arsdale.

[Jay Skeets]

We do bring up those guys a lot.

[Tas Melas]

929 games. Wow. He didn't make the playoffs.

[Jay Skeets]

That might be the first time in this episode that Dick and Tom Van Arsdale comes up because I'm sure we're gonna talk about the Thompson Twins trying to make the Alloy game. I'm pretty sure Dick and Tom are the only two Twins to ever do that at the the same All Star game.

[Tas Melas]

So this is almost unbelievable.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, cuz Mark and Pal did.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Anyway, so Larry Markin, we think, is going to be traded.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I think. I think it's going to happen.

[Jay Skeets]

This is the whole point.

[Trey Kirby]

It's just hard to get to his number though. $46 million is a lot. So like the Pistons are a team that people think should make a move for Larry Markin. And yeah, Tobias Harris has a big contract, but it's not quite big enough to get to market in numbers. So are they throwing in Jaden Ivy and Ron Holland and picks to get Lowry Markkanen if they think they're close. And like his stretching the floor capabilities while still being a good defender. He's got like a little bit of Porzingis to him in that respect. That could definitely help the Pistons. I think he would fit nice with Cade, would fit nice with Durin as well. But then it's like you're going a little bit further down with the Kings trade Zach Levine and picks for Lowry market. That one works pretty much straight up right there. Feels weird for the Jazz to want to do that, but I guess Levine's contract is a little bit shorter than Markin and so maybe they're able to stick to their rebuild. Or what if it's a disaster season for the Celtics? Jalen Brown.

[Tas Melas]

Whoa.

[Trey Kirby]

Drafted by Danny Ainge. I'm just looking at numbers. Yeah, that one seems more like a summertime thing to me. So it seems like the Jazz should trademarking it. I just think it's going to be hard to find a package that makes any sort of sense.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because while I think marketing could fit on a lot of teams, like the role that he brings to a team because of his contract. Like, you don't want to give too much for him as well. Like. Like what is his ceiling as he hits 29? Like we see him play with Finland. The guy's obviously incredible, but it's a different role. So he's not going to be that on any team. I mean, he sort of is that on Utah and it's like obviously not translating to wins. So you don't want to give up too much. The Porzingis is like sort of a fun comparison in a way because, like, look what the Hawks. It didn't take a whole lot to get Kristaps Porzingis to Atlanta. Now I think it's going to cost more than that for marketing. I get that. But Like, I don't want to go too extreme is my point here. If I'm any of these teams where I see a role for them and that's probably the catch. Especially because Trader Danny's going to be like, yeah, I want four first round picks. Like, look what Desmond Bain went for. Like, I want that Larry Markkanen better than Desmond Payne.

[Tas Melas]

I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, same level, I think.

[Tas Melas]

Interesting. Interesting comparison.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. But that's the point, right?

[Tas Melas]

So I think the Pistons make a lot of sense. It feels a lot like the Rockets training for Kevin Durant. Not just because there's an Asar Thompson and Amen Thompson on those two teams, but I think just talent wise, level wise, where they are. Larry Merkin is a multiple time All Star game. When he retires. He's. I think he's that good.

[Jay Skeets]

Whoa.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Well, just means he's making one more All Star game.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I think.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, he's convinced, to be honest.

[Tas Melas]

As you said, he was really good with Finland. This is the time. This feels like the time to trade him because. Feels good. He was even sort of a leader on that Finnish team trying to get his teammate to stop saying, we're looking for the bonus man. We're looking for some bonuses because they made the.

[Jay Skeets]

The quarterfinals Cinderella run for Finland.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. So beside Cade, I think it makes a heck of a lot of sense if, really if the Jazz are willing to take some of those contracts. Plus picks is where it comes down to.

[Jay Skeets]

All right, our final piece of news here before we get to the first time all star draft. LeBron James, who has yet to participate in training camp, will be sidelined an additional three to four weeks because of sciatica on his. According to Dr. Barry from Survivor, sciatica is nerve pain from an injury or irritation to your sciatica or sciatica. Excuse me, nerve. So LeBron gonna miss the start of the season is what we're getting at here. How much time? Sounds like two or three weeks of regular season action. It'll be reevaluated. Tough start here for the Lakers.

[Tas Melas]

Absolutely. We've never seen LeBron James miss the start of a season before. It has never happened. Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

That's true.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, He. He got hurt, I guess it was one of the seasons with the Lakers. He got hurt in November for a little bit. But LeBron James is coming back. I think he wants to be the guy who's played the most games in NBA history. He needs to play 50 this season. I think he will do that. And it's unfortunate. We talked about this two days ago, that he had a, a nerve problem in his hamstring. In his glute, I should say. You know, I, I combine the glute and the hamstring, and it was unfortunate. And people were saying, you know, maybe he's just, he's just chilling out. But he's old. But, but, you know, he's old. He's old in the butt, unfortunately. It happens.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

This is an old man injury.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah, I've had it.

[Trey Kirby]

Exactly.

[Jay Skeets]

It actually sucks.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it's very uncomfortable, but like, he had gray hair in his Hennessy head. Like, this is mortality coming for LeBron James. He might be the first NBA player to miss time for a prostate exam.

[Jay Skeets]

Damn. We'll see.

[Trey Kirby]

But I think tiny bit of concern for the Lakers, that neither Luka or LeBron has gone through training camp at all. They got a lot of changes. Like they're bringing in DeAndre8 and this guy just dyed his hair blonde. He's saying, I haven't got to work with Luka or LeBron at all. They're trying to figure out their starting lineup. I think it would be beneficial to them to have their two best players rolling out with the new guys and figuring out what's actually going to work in year two for JJ Redick, the first full year for Luca. I assume once Luca comes back, he will be awesome once again, once LeBron comes back, he'll be awesome as well. But they're behind the eight ball a little bit the start of the season.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, Luca has been practicing, but they haven't put him in games. And that kind of was puzzling as to why deandre Ayton just said, I haven't been with them. I mean, he's in practices apparently. I guess he hasn't passed the ball.

[Jay Skeets]

Much different in a game.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, it is different in a game. So it is Luca time. It's Jared Vanderbilt time, baby. It's a lot of the Luka and what he was with the Mavs at times. It's all on you, man. And, you know, checking out the Lakers schedule to start the year. Until LeBron comes back, Luka could carry this team. He's. He's good enough to do that.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, they start with the warriors, the Wolves, the Kings, the Blazers, the Wolves again. And then cup night on Halloween against the Grizzlies. So that's the first. What did I say there? Six games. And then first week in November, they're home to Miami, they're in Portland, they're home to the spurs in Wemby, and then they're here in Atlanta on November 8th. And that Atlanta game is the start of a five game road trip. So I bring that up because I do wonder, does LeBron come back on that road trip or is it when they get back November 18th, which is way from now? So, I mean. Well, I guess that's five weeks from now. And they did say reevaluated. Right. How many games does he miss here is what I'm getting at.

[Tas Melas]

I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

It seems like it's reasonable. He misses five to ten games for sure. To start the season, which I had.

[Trey Kirby]

Cup night is the 31st.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I think that's when he's back.

[Jay Skeets]

Back in costume.

[Trey Kirby]

This guy loves Halloween.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He was like Beetlejuice one year. A convincing Beetlejuice.

[Jay Skeets]

And I can't remember what he feels about cup night. I thought he hated it, and then he loved it.

[Trey Kirby]

Great point. First MVP in cup history.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's like. He said whoever came up with it was stupid. And then the Lakers went out and won the first cup. Yeah. His cup is actually cool. Michael Jordan never won the cup.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, right, right, right, right.

[Tas Melas]

Back when they made 3:1 cookies for. For the fact that Cleveland overcame Golden State. That wasn't a Halloween party. I guess that was just an off season party.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know.

[Tas Melas]

I'm just.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Tas Melas]

What?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I'm not sure.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I think.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it could be. It seems spooky.

[Tas Melas]

That could be Halloween.

[Jay Skeets]

I think it was.

[Tas Melas]

This guy loves Halloween. But I do think you're. He's. He's got to come back at some point. He's got to get to 50 games to pass Robert Harris.

[Jay Skeets]

50 tie.

[Tas Melas]

No, I think it's 50.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought it was 51 to pass.

[Trey Kirby]

Back to basketball reference we go.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Robert Parishes played 1611 games. So if you have LeBron's number in front of you, we can figure it out.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, it's a. It ends with a two. So it's just plus 50 ends with a two.

[Jay Skeets]

Remember, we're not counting the cup games, though.

[Tas Melas]

1562, the finals. So he just has to play in 50 games.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, 50, Stan. Sit corrected. 50 games to pass the.

[Tas Melas]

I hope you don't get sciatica.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, you got to stand up, man. It does sit here. It does.

[Trey Kirby]

That big, thick wallet LeBron's got. That's one of the problems right there. Always keep your wallet in your front pocket so you don't sit on it off Center. Your sciatica is going to kill you.

[Jay Skeets]

It is interesting on his right side did it not right side interesting. But then again, LeBron's. He can use both hands. I don't know if he's putting his wallet in his back pocket or left. Right or left.

[Trey Kirby]

Imagine as a stands a wallet. It'd be funny to see LeBron pull out his wallet. He's always talking about like how cheap he is. So maybe he's like saving his receipts in case he needs to return something.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, we'll see how long it takes for LeBron to get back. Okay, we got to get to our first time all Star draft. But before we do that, quick ad read here. Peloton is shaping the future of fitness with the brand new Peloton Cross Training Tread plus powered by Peloton iq. I've been dragging my feet a little when it comes to working out recently, which is why this is the perfect ad for me. In my opinion, moving your body should feel efficient and effective, not boring or complicated. Variety is the spice of life. So is working out, in my opinion. The new Peloton Cross Training Tread plus is Peloton's most elevated equipment with real time guidance and endless ways to move alone or with your favorite instructors. It's cross training reimagined with features designed to make you workout more personal. Make your workout more personal. Peloton IQ provides intelligent strength coaching. It tracks your progress, suggests weights that challenge you so you can get stronger. And the new movement tracking camera allows Peloton IQ to count your reps and correct your form in real time, taking the guesswork of your workout so you can train safer, lift smarter. Make every rep count. That's pretty wild. Just like watching you. Come on, man, get your elbows in.

[Tas Melas]

Pump it up. Yeah, never have to count again.

[Jay Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

Some of them are married skeets to each other.

[Jay Skeets]

Do they show up on each other's workshops?

[Trey Kirby]

No, but they reference each other.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I like that.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it took me a while to like put two and two together.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, wow. It's a whole world.

[Tas Melas]

Well, they show up on each other's Instagram, that's for sure. Andy and Rebecca that you just named.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, okay. Good, good, good.

[Trey Kirby]

This guy's a spearhead.

[Jay Skeets]

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[Tas Melas]

Sounds like it.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Okay. And I guess the idea is the NBA is looking to capitalize on the momentum of the international competition with the All Star break coming right in the middle of the Winter Olympics. Because when I think of the Winter Olympics, I think of NBA basketball and.

[Tas Melas]

I think I think of the USA versus the world. I want countries, I want individual countries.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, we're really forcing this in here, I think. But it's going to be on Peacock. It's going to be on in the afternoon. Don't forget that. The game, remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We are having an All Star game in the afternoon.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay.

[Jay Skeets]

Because probably because of Olympic coverage and stuff like that. Yeah, sure. It's on the same network. I think it's both on Peacock. But anyway, are you a fan of this? You guys like this idea? I mean we didn't like last year.

[Trey Kirby]

Am I a fan of the All Star Game at this point?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I know they've defeated us. Yeah, they really have.

[Tas Melas]

I hope it's a game unlike last year. That wasn't a game. Three games, it's three. Yeah. It's four. Yeah, but I just don't want a 4:45 minute little escapade, a little interlude of whether it's Mr. Beast or Kevin Hart like last year. Don't go to the studio and do something. You know, we're doing some 45 minute Olympic thing. That's what happened last year.

[Jay Skeets]

Let's go to Italy for a quick look at the ski jump.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melas]

That could happen. That could very well happen. Unfortunately, this is. This is. Yeah, this is definitely happening. This is Team USA versus the world. It's happening. They've discussed it. Adam Silver's brought it up multiple times. It's happening.

[Jay Skeets]

You just brought up a great point, though. Last year, at least when we had those four squads, we had three games. Because we had two games. And then you went to the finals, and that was our final game. But what are we doing here?

[Tas Melas]

It's a round robin, so there's. It'll be usa. USA in game one, USA versus the World in game two, and then the World against the other USA team in game three, and then somehow add up the winners of those three games to play in the final quarter four.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, so there will be a fourth game.

[Tas Melas]

Yes. The winner of that round robin tournament.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Okay.

[Tas Melas]

They see not so. So not only are they lumping on the Olympics idea, but they're also lumping on from the idea from the NHL.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Which was a round robin tournament of four countries.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

And so they're lumping that in as well.

[Jay Skeets]

Which they didn't do last time I checked in one afternoon.

[Tas Melas]

No, no, it wasn't round robin.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

And we're getting a guaranteed rematch. Right? Like.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it's gotta be somebody's replay.

[Trey Kirby]

It's gotta be.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Interesting.

[Jay Skeets]

Now, what we don't know is how they're gonna pick these teams. Like, the voting. Like, we. Is it gonna be conferences and we vote for starters still, and then the coaches pick the reserves. But, like, what are we doing with the international flavor part of it? Like, do we. Like, do we just draw the line once we hit eight international people? Like, there are a lot of questions to this. It's odd.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Who's the starters? Do you consider it Eastern Conference and Western Conference, or will it be broken down by USA and world?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, we shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And because the world. I mean, like, if everybody's healthy, the world has already five locks. Like, locks. Jokic, sga, Luka, Wemby and Giannis. Again, they play and they're healthy come All Star time. Like, they're in the All Star game. Right. Nobody's going to disagree with that. So now we leave three spots for international players. There's obviously still a lot of talented international players to pick from. And Sengun, I mean, I don't know if you have him as a lock now, but he's probably knocking on the door. So that could be six.

[Tas Melas]

Wow. It's harder to make the World Team than it is the.

[Jay Skeets]

I think so. I think so. But this year, let's. Let's do our draft, shall we? We got to decide how we're draft number one, I guess. We got a ball set out. So we got three pickleballs in here, just numbered one through three.

[Tas Melas]

Thank you to the NBA for this bag.

[Jay Skeets]

Trey, go ahead, pick first, my man.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay, so the number I get is.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, and we're not doing a snake here. Let's just go one, two, three. One, two, three. One, 2, 3.

[Trey Kirby]

Son of a beast.

[Jay Skeets]

Three. All right, so I get one or two here. Hey, number one, baby. So task two. Okay. We go like this.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, you would think we set this up simple. 1, 2, 3.

[Jay Skeets]

Good thing we did this. These are nice pickleballs.

[Trey Kirby]

These are nice.

[Jay Skeets]

I can't believe you let me write on these. I don't know. Like, aren't people gonna judge you now in the courts?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Well, I'll just say, hey, give me my Skeets ball or my one ball.

[Jay Skeets]

My one ball.

[Tas Melas]

I thought you were gonna write the names, but anyway.

[Jay Skeets]

Why would I write the names?

[Tas Melas]

I don't know. I don't know what.

[Jay Skeets]

But if Trey pulled Skeets, he has to now.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, but just tell your pickleball compatriots these are training aids. It's like when. When the person's hitting it to you, you've got to see the ball, call the number, and then hit it back. That one's too pop.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melas]

Good idea.

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[Tas Melas]

And Doug, here we have the Limu.

[Jay Skeets]

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[Tas Melas]

It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.

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[Jay Skeets]

Cut the camera.

[Tas Melas]

They see us.

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[Jay Skeets]

Excludes Massachusetts. All right, so we'll go 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3. Keep it simple. Okay. We're not doing a snake here. We'll do five rounds. I think that's more than enough. Oh, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Got some weirdos.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Once you get into the teens here.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, okay, so I have the first pick. I actually think this is difficult to decide on like one of three names here because I like like three guys, but I'm going to go Franz Wagner. I'll take an international guy to sneak into this world team. The German, Franz Wagner. I think he probably would have made it last year if he had not get injured at the wrong time. He's entering his fifth season. Let's say he averages, I don't know, 24, six and five. Maybe 25, five and five, something like that. He needs to shoot better from three. That would be nice. Like just average from three would be awesome.

[Trey Kirby]

He doesn't need to shoot good from three to make the All Star team.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, no. Just gotta put up stats, help his chances and we think the Magic will be a good team. There might be another guy on somebody's list that maybe gets consideration for an all star slot as a first time guy. So we'll see. But I'll take Franz Wagner off the board. Tas, you're up.

[Tas Melas]

I'm taking Jamal Murray. He belongs in the All Star game. This guy who's a franking NBA champion has never made an All Star game. He says he feels better than last year when he struggled in those Olympics. I don't know if they're gonna flash back to those Olympics. He wasn't feeling right going to the off season last year. He says he feels great. He was asked if he's gonna make the first his first time all star game. He said, I ain't concerned about that. I'm concerned about November. I feel good. So I think he will come out and it's his time. It's his time to make one.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, Jamal Murray. So we got two international guys off the board. We go to our American Here, Trey, where are you going?

[Trey Kirby]

These were the first two that should have been picked. These were my number one and two as well. Franz and Jamal. Jamal. It's just the question of does he get off to a slow start. The guy is a notorious slow starter, but he puts together an All Star season through the entirety of the year. Just do it in the first two months of the season, basically. I don't know which team is harder to make right now. There's not as many slots for the World Team, but they also don't ever get to eight International All Stars. I was doing the math. In the 2000s, they averaged seven All Stars. Basically, they've been at eight, three of these six years. Meanwhile, the USA in the 2000s averages 19 All Stars. But they've got a lot of Americans that are hurt this year. Tatum, Halliburton, Lillard, guys that regularly make the team. So I'm going to go for an American. Okay. I'll take Amen Thompson.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. I think it's going to be tough to be the second guy that makes an All Star team. And for the Rockets, he might be the third guy that makes the All Star team. But it'd be very cool if he made it. And cool for him, I think, to kind of establish himself as a major player in the NBA. Looks like he's going to have a lot more responsibility, even more so than anticipated since Fred Van Vliet went down. Like this was going to be a big year for Amen Thompson, but now they need him to do a lot more on the offensive end and not just be an awesome defensive player. So I think he has a chance to make it. And he's such a highlight factory that everybody wants to see him playing these fun games.

[Jay Skeets]

There's definitely, yeah, like, people want him to make an All Star game. I'm with you on that. And he's super exciting to watch. One of my favorite players in the league.

[Tas Melas]

It's going to be, will he have.

[Jay Skeets]

The stats to sort of warrant an All Star spot? I think it's fair to debate because he's not going to be a high volume scorer, but he's going to be like a first team sort of all defensive guy. So there's that part, though, that usually nobody cares for All Star Games. So, Amen Thompson, Trey's first pick.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. So how are you guys picking? Are you picking like guys you want to see or just guys that I'm going on?

[Jay Skeets]

Guys that I think are most likely.

[Tas Melas]

Most likely.

[Jay Skeets]

And I think those three I Had Jamal a little lower, believe it or not. Kitchen's finest. You know I love you, but I had some guys above him in my pecking order, and I have the fourth pick here. I think Chet Holmgren has a better chance to make an all Star game than Jamal Murray. He didn't play last year is the thing I'm banking on. Right. He was injured for first couple of weeks, if not longer, but he only played 30 games. So, yeah, he was out for a while. He's like a projected maybe 2010 guy. I don't think he maybe just gets there, but we know he's got the defense, too. He's going to flirt with two to three blocks per game. So I'll go Chet Holmgren as my second pick here. So I've got Franz and Chet.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. The thing that Chet would have going against him, traditionally the coaches who vote for the reserves say, oh, Jalen Williams. Yeah, he's my. He. He's gonna. Obviously Shay's there and then Jalen Williams, he's. He's already made it. He's going to be there. But maybe these. The way that they select them has changed. Maybe it just goes into a lottery of pickleballs and we just see who gets there. But I think Franz is kind of in that category as well. I mean, it's. It's a debate whether it's Paolo or Franz first, but that would mean the Magic, I think, to me would need two all stars if Franz is going to be.

[Jay Skeets]

And then there's Desmond Bain.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, he's on my list. Potentially, he's 100% on my list.

[Jay Skeets]

But I mean, he probably gets.

[Trey Kirby]

Franz is international. That's why he's high ranking same. I've got guys that are ranked too high on my list that are international, but.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, right.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, you're up.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, that's my debate right here. It's whether I go international or not. If I'm going international, I'm going Vita Zubots. That guy deserves to frickin be there. Where am I going American with Jalen Johnson? No, I'm not. Because I think Trey Young would probably still be the guy that gets the appearance and Jalen Johnson may not make it. So I'm going to Vita Zubots. That guy is just freaking awesome. Will he get there before a Harden or Kawhi who's already starting games at the beginning of the season? That's strange to say that because Kawhi was so awesome last year when he played in January for the first time. But Zubots is awesome.

[Jay Skeets]

Kai averaged 17, 13, 3 on a 50 win team. And great defense, like, sort of. I mean, it's overlooked. I get it. He's not giving you the highlights.

[Trey Kirby]

He was snubbed for Harden last year.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, right. We talked about it at the time. Okay. Zoo gone off the board. Trey, back to you.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Those are my top five guys after this. Yeah, right. This guy probably won't make it. I feel at this point where it's the end of round two and these are taking flyers. Yeah, it's between Bane and Johnson for me. I'll go. Jalen Johnson, he was on the path last year. 19 points, 10 rebounds a game, 5 assists, steal and a half a block. Maybe not quite as much opportunity this year playing with Porzingis, Nikhil Alexander, Walker, guys who are better offensive players than Atlanta had in the past. But I like Jalen Johnson. I like his upside. Still. He's a health concern kind of guy, but if he's able to stay on the court, it seems like he's the number two guy in Atlanta, though. Maybe their three through six are a lot better. So give me Jalen Johnson, and I'm picking an international guy next. That's for sure.

[Tas Melas]

Okay.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. I wrote in my notes exactly what you said, Trey. Jalen Johnson, awesome stats. The Hawks should be good, but, yeah, that lineup is a little more crowded now. So what type of, like, role opportunity, numbers even, is he putting up? But it's a good pick.

[Tas Melas]

The two guys you have on your team, Jalen Johnson and Men Thompson, they ran into each other in a preseason game. Jalen Johnson was driving, took that hit from Men Thompson and scored. And I know Hawks fans were a little concerned because he gets injured a lot. Yeah, they thought, whoa, this guy okay? He's totally fine. Good team, man. You got a good team. I don't know what we're drafting, but it's a good team.

[Jay Skeets]

All right. This is. You're right. It gets very difficult now. It's like you got to squint and, like, pray. But I'll go. Trey Murphy, the third guy, could score a whole lot. The Pelicans would have to shock a lot of people because Zion would then be there. He has to play. But Trey Murphy iii, I mean, guy average could average, you know, anywhere between 22 to 25 points per game. The guy's a bucket. I would love to see him flirting with, like, the 50, 40, 90 to help his narrative. Like, he's done those levels across different seasons. Maybe as a magical season where it all comes together and he's part of that club or at least flirting with it. So I'll go Trey Murphy III with the Pelicans as my third pick here. Tass, over to you.

[Tas Melas]

If the Knicks start off really well, like some are expecting them to do, there's a chance.

[Jay Skeets]

Who are you gonna go with from the Knicks? Who are you gonna go with? Mitch.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, old Mitchie. You know, I'm a big Gershon Yabu selling fan. I. I'm going with a guy who's considered international, I guess. OG Anunoby.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Is he considered international? I guess is going to be the question.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, probably. If he made it.

[Tas Melas]

He is, I think considered from the United Kingdom. Yeah. So og, do they get three All Stars is the question. Do they sort of take the role of what the Cavs did last year? Who got their three? Did they get their four? Did they get the Jared Allen? No. Right. It was. No, no, it was just Garland, Mitchell and Mobley.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

So Townsend Brunson would be there. Who would be the third? If they start rolling, OG could make his first All Star game.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, so you would take him over bridges. I mean, they're pretty similar in terms of stats.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Yeah. Why? I. I mean it's OG's just got the hype right now. He's on the hype train. He just, he's just rolled in the playoffs. He had great, great performances. So Cal Burges, they're so similar. It could be.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm sure it's because of the initials, like a vowel and then a g. But like OG's like all star type of chances or play. Even like reminds me of AG in Aaron Gordon. Like just like sort of like really good player but maybe always like just a little bit below All Star level. But on a great team that puts up incredible wins. Yeah, you can see it. Like, I'm not, I'm not saying it's like it's far fetched all these from here on out, but yeah, I could see it.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. I actually kind of think OG would have a better likelihood of making the All Star Game if they stuck with a previous year's format where it's Eastern Conference and Western Conference. There's so many guys out in the east already this year, we're expecting the Knicks to be one of the best teams in the league. And if you're like playing at a 60 win pace, it's not uncommon to get three All Stars and maybe then OG would be the guy, but maybe the international flavor helps.

[Tas Melas]

How are they picking?

[Trey Kirby]

I don't know Carl Towns. Which team are you on?

[Tas Melas]

Right.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

You know, Yeah, I think they'll fudge it to get the most star power they can.

[Jay Skeets]

So like wherever they got to put them, they'll put them.

[Trey Kirby]

Totally.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Injury, replacements, they'll figure it out, you know.

[Jay Skeets]

But what about Donovan Mitchell? His mom was a Panamanian or something like that.

[Trey Kirby]

It's very.

[Jay Skeets]

Barclay tell us that when he drafted basically an international team, a world team last year. Okay, so you took og.

[Tas Melas]

That's taking og.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Where are you going, Trey, for your third pick?

[Trey Kirby]

I told you, I'm taking an international player. Highest ranked international player left on my board. Josh Giddy.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I was wondering if you were.

[Trey Kirby]

Taking a Bull first time All Star. 15, 8 and 7 last year. No. 21, 11 and 9 post All Star. I saw Tim Legler say he thinks the Chicago Bulls can be a top six team in the Eastern Conference. Not even I'm that crazy. But hey, if Giddy puts up a 20 point triple double, he's got a chance. And they're playing fast. Sure. So the possessions are there. He made a one footed, flat footed three pointer. I saw that last night. Bulls undefeated, of course, taking down the Cleveland Cavaliers, longtime nemesis of the Chicago Bulls. So you know when they're atop the Eastern Conference. How are you keeping Giddey out? That's the question.

[Tas Melas]

Right.

[Jay Skeets]

The only problem, will Kobe White take votes from him if they have a start of the season. I had Cody Kobe White on my list way down at the bottom. But the guy, I mean, he said back to back seasons of basically averaging 25 and 4 or whatever. 4 and 5. So decent.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

The Bulls will just have to be good and then. Yeah, Giddy's probably balling up. Okay. Fourth round. J.D. yeah, there it is. Where do we go from here? Oh, I'll do it. Give me Cooper flag. Yeah, yeah. Especially if, I don't know, especially if it is just straight up vote still. Hell, you could just get in maybe because of that. We've only had two rookies make the All Star game this century. Blake Griffin, Yao Ming. So it's rare. It is. But you know, it's a possibility. He'd have to have obviously awesome numbers and the Mavs would have to surprise out of the gate with the no Kyrie. He'd be okay. Okay. AD and then him, you know, again, they'd have to be awesome. I didn't know if you guys would let Cooper flag slip to the fifth round, so I should have took him over Giddy.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't Think he was getting picked before he had another one. Cooper's kind of helped by Kyrie missing the beginning part of the season rather than getting injured midway through. Like, he should be the number two guy at the absolute worst for Dallas.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, but would you get two Mavs in there? That's the question. Because Anthony Davis is likely to be the first one.

[Jay Skeets]

Like, talk, talk out Cooper Flag stat line this season. In a perfect world here, like, what does it look like to you?

[Trey Kirby]

Probably, like 18 points, seven rebounds, six assists with great defense.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tas Melas]

It's a lot of assists. JK is going to say, you be our point guard, my man.

[Trey Kirby]

At times I'm like, hey, if Jalen Johnson can average five assists a game, Cooper Flag can average five to six. Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

Those are maybe stats that he could totally try.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I think so.

[Jay Skeets]

Emulate. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Okay, well, I'm going east because I do think this is a scenario where the Pacers need somebody to be their guy. It's an Eastern Conference where there's fewer teams that are expected to be super good like the Western Conference. Andrew Nemhardt is going to show up for the Pacers team. I mean, he's got to be a spectacular player.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought I was a Canadian.

[Tas Melas]

Homer.

[Trey Kirby]

He was on my list. It's on my list. And I wasn't quite as enthused when I looked at his stats from last year.

[Tas Melas]

10, 3, and 5.

[Trey Kirby]

But more opportunity.

[Jay Skeets]

Double that.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah, more opportunity. And if the Pacers are, you know, a 500ish team, which is to be expected, and for some people, it's a possibility. They made the freaking NBA Finals. They have to pick somebody from that team. They don't have to. But who would it be? I mean, it'd be Pascal, but you never know. You never know.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. You have all international guys.

[Tas Melas]

I'm like, Adam Silver. We're getting a European league. We're just going to keep expanding. We're going to be in India one day. We're going. We're going.

[Jay Skeets]

All right, Trey, who's your fourth pick?

[Trey Kirby]

Should I go weirdo mode or like, hell, yeah, man. Okay, fine. Peyton Pritchard.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow. Over Derek White.

[Tas Melas]

Yep. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Even though I have Derek White listed two names ahead of Peyton Pritchard on my board, I was listening to Bill Simmons podcast this morning, and he. He was talking up Payton Pritchard leading the league in three pointers. I don't know if that will happen, but he finished fifth last year in threes. 1 6th man of the year. And the Celtics, he's going to have to do more for the Celtics. With the Jrue Holiday trade, Jason Tatum being out, it feels like Pritchard will have a super green light. So, yeah, he is now on my team. You said do a weird one.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow, that is a weird one. Do a weird one. I have to admit, I have so many names written down out, and I don't even have Peyton Pritchard.

[Tas Melas]

I didn't have him written. He was great. Great story recently. I don't know if he told it recently, but he shared on a podcast that Steve Blake was the guy who turned him into a great player because Steve Blake was taking him through workouts, too. Oh, did you? Solid.

[Trey Kirby]

I couldn't believe that Peyton Pritchard was like 15 years old when Steve Blake was in the NBA. Like, the timelines didn't seem to mesh to me. I'm like, how it feels like Steve Blake played 20 years ago.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it does.

[Trey Kirby]

But it must have been fewer than that. Must be 10 years ago. I don't know.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Okay, final round here of our first time All Stars. I'm not gonna tell you my list. It's down to four guys I'm considering. You know, it doesn't matter if you take them. Derrick White was on my list here. Short list. He could average 18, 5 and 5 with a steal and a block. Right.

[Trey Kirby]

He was 16, 5 and 5 with a steal on the block last year. He should be over 20 a game this year, I think.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow. Okay. Okay, then I. That could help his case. Desmond Bain. We've brought him up a couple times. The guy's in his prime. He's like a 22, six. Six guy, shoots great from three. The magic could really shock people. But then you'd have to get into the whole three all Stars thing. Paolo Franz and him maybe Denny Avdia. Sort of the same narrative to Josh Giddey. If we're being honest, he was awesome. After the All Star break, he averaged 23, 10 and 5. I mean, those are great numbers. And then I have Norman Powell. Now there's like a hole there with no Tyler hero. We saw what he did with the Clippers last year. Could he do it again? 22 points per game on insane efficiency is what he did with la. And it sort of cooled off. So those are my four guys. I'll go. I'll go. Derek White. I will take him as the best chance to maybe flirt with an All Star selection.

[Trey Kirby]

Nice.

[Jay Skeets]

I want to take Powell, but, like, man, he's like 32 years old. That's there's probably not many older guys that have made their first All Star Game, right?

[Tas Melas]

Never. I don't think that old. 30.

[Jay Skeets]

That's old. But I don't know. There's always weird ones, maybe so. Unlikely. I will go. Derek Witt. You got it.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't know if this is literally just a Reddit thread. Kyle Korver was the fourth oldest, first time All Star and he was 33 years, 11 months old.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, so there have been the odd couple of guys.

[Trey Kirby]

Nat Clifton.

[Jay Skeets]

Nat Clifton. Sweetwater.

[Trey Kirby]

Sweetwater, yeah. Sam Cassell, 34 years. Anthony Mason, 34 years old, according to an account that has been deleted.

[Jay Skeets]

Sounds right.

[Trey Kirby]

I trust them.

[Jay Skeets]

They all made All Star Games, so I can confirm that, so. Well, that's what Norman Powell's got to do. But anyway, I'm going to take Derek White. After Trey told me he could average 20 points for a game. He could. Hell yeah, he could. He could. You're right. I got a lot of Americans on my team. Holy moly. All right, final pick.

[Tas Melas]

I'm taking old Norm. Get him in there. I think there's a good chance the Heat needs somebody to score a lot. And I watched them in the preseason. I know I've been excited about Nikola Jovic, but, you know, you need somebody to handle the ball and score on that team. So I think he could literally. He could literally be averaging 24. You're almost like as a coach, making the selection. I gotta put him on, especially in the Eastern Conference. I think there's a chance now. There's the bam factor there. But, Norm, I'm surprised that there's older guys, obviously. Corvus, that weird one with five guys made the All Star team. Five freaking. Or is it four Hawks?

[Trey Kirby]

Four Hawks made the All Star team.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Sorry, demari.

[Jay Skeets]

Five got the selection for player of the month. That one month where they went undefeated. Oh, remember that?

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Tas Melas]

Yes.

[Trey Kirby]

It was like January, I think.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I think it was.

[Tas Melas]

They had a perfect January.

[Jay Skeets]

17. 0 or something.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, that's why I messed it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Down to the final pick. There are a million names, Trey. Long shots here, but yeah, picking a.

[Trey Kirby]

Guy that's definitely not going to make the All Star team. But what if he does?

[Jay Skeets]

Hey, what if he does?

[Trey Kirby]

What if he does? Desmond Bain is on my list. Brandon Miller.

[Jay Skeets]

Sure.

[Trey Kirby]

From the Charlotte Hornets is on my list.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I had him on the long shot list. Yep.

[Trey Kirby]

Hey, 21 a game last year. He barely played good. Jalen Green, believe it or not, is on my list.

[Jay Skeets]

Whoa. Oh, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

He can score, man, but he can score. You can, but I'm taking matas buzellus.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

13, 5, 2, post all star. Have you seen this guy in the preseason?

[Tas Melas]

Double bull. Double bull.

[Trey Kirby]

Look, I got the 15th pick. You think I'm not gonna play the homer card here? Bouzillas is fun to watch. He was at the dunk contest last year. I actually had to Google it to make sure that that really happened. But he was okay. He likes. He likes getting better. And he is now gonna make the All Star team. This year, two Bulls are gonna make it, and they're gonna finish top six in the East. Me and Tim Legler riding together.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought everywhere else I was seeing. What did you say? They're gonna win 38 games?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, they'll win 38 games, guaranteed. It doesn't matter.

[Jay Skeets]

Doesn't matter.

[Trey Kirby]

They can bring back Michael Jordan in his prime somehow. They win 38.

[Jay Skeets]

They're very consistent. Okay, so let's go over our teams here. Potential first time All Stars this coming season. This is my team. I only got one international guy, but I had the first pick. I took Franz Wagner with the Magic. Then I've got Chet Holmgren, Trey Murphy iii, Cooper Flag, and then a Celtic in Derrick White. Tas. Your team of a lot of international.

[Tas Melas]

Guys, starting with Jamal Murray makes his first gonna happen. Elbows up. Evitza Zubots, OG and an Obi. Andrew Nemhard and Norman Powell. Well, I got so much Canadianism there.

[Jay Skeets]

Norman Powell, would they consider him international? Doesn't he want to play for Bahamas or am I crazy? Or is it Jamaica or Jamaica?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, Jamaica.

[Jay Skeets]

It's one of those. Yeah, maybe.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, you got. You got Norm. Try your team.

[Trey Kirby]

Your guys's teams are way better than mine.

[Jay Skeets]

The end of yours is hilarious.

[Trey Kirby]

My last three are like, oh, baby, Amen Thompson and Jalen Johnson on my team. They got a chance. Great start. They actually have a chance. But Josh Giddy, Peyton Pritchard and Montas Puzzles also on my team. Not likely. Will any of them make an All Star game in their career period? Only time will tell.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Thanks, man.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, you're probably right. I think that is the over under would be set at 0.5 for those three career All Star appearances.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm taking the over check Fantasy Bill for those odds. All right. And just because it's fun. Left a lot of guys still out there. We named a couple of them Bain and Avdia. I think a lot of people are probably shouting at their computers right now. How could you not draft one of those guys. You said Brandon Miller. How about these other names? Castle McDaniels, Deandre Ayton.

[Tas Melas]

Those are. These are crazy names.

[Jay Skeets]

Austin Reeves, Jalen Duran. The other Thompson. I can't believe he wasn't a Sar Thompson. Michael Porter Jr. In a new role with Brooklyn. Or Cam Thomas.

[Trey Kirby]

Sweet dish in the preseason game last night. People were talking it up. Look at this one pass.

[Jay Skeets]

What about Miles Turner?

[Trey Kirby]

Miles Turner?

[Jay Skeets]

That's weird. He's never made one. I had to, like, triple check that.

[Tas Melas]

I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

I just thought he would have made one. I don't know why.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Kobe White. We brought him up. Mikhail Bridges. We talked about him when we were debating which Nick makes it Zachary Richacher. Is that crazy?

[Tas Melas]

Yes. Huh. I love it. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Oui, oui.

[Jay Skeets]

Tas. I couldn't believe you didn't take RJ Barrett.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, wow.

[Trey Kirby]

Come on, man.

[Jay Skeets]

He's based on Danielle's 216 and 5. RJ Barrett last year. But his role is going to.

[Trey Kirby]

Who's more likely to make the All Star team, RJ Barrett or Emmanuel Quickley? A guy I also looked at. That's the thing with the Raptors. Their top two have already made it All Star game.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. It's just not happening quickly, but I guess. Oh, I would go rj, but they're not happening. It doesn't matter.

[Tas Melas]

It's more stats. It's more like what you said about Peyton Pritchard may lead the league in three pointers, quickly said he may shoot 10 per game. Bang. It's a lot of points.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melas]

Because he hit a few.

[Jay Skeets]

I hope he hits.

[Tas Melas]

I was gonna say he hit six of them, but I don't think he's showing 60.

[Trey Kirby]

How about this from Protocol in the Stream team? Young Han Sen. If there's a fan vote, he will make the team.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah. Did you see these, like, reports that, like, these preseason Blazers games were doing, like. I don't know what it was, like, triple or quadruple the numbers the finals were doing crazy. Just because everyone's tuning in to see him.

[Trey Kirby]

So if fan vote is included, like, he's almost a lot.

[Jay Skeets]

To me, that was the. The Yao Ming of it all. I mean, Yao Ming was a better, of course, coming in, but got the. The huge fan vote from China.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Good. Good pick.

[Tas Melas]

But they're.

[Jay Skeets]

That's a good deep cut.

[Trey Kirby]

Montes Bozellas. I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

R.J. barrett. All of Canada is behind. We got that.

[Trey Kirby]

All right.

[Jay Skeets]

There it is. Yeah. Let Us know some other names we may have missed. We'll call it there. NBA season previews though, continue next week. We'll be back to make some NBA awards predictions on Monday. If you're a Survivor fan, we did no buffs yesterday recapping a very weird episode three of Survivor 49. A guy got bit by a snake.

[Trey Kirby]

I got bit by a snake.

[Jay Skeets]

Little spoiler here. And it was. Well, they treated it extremely seriously. We got to see base camp. Jeff Probst was breaking the fourth wall like crazy. We're seeing boom mics and camera operators and every doctor imaginable around this guy named Jake. Guy on the right's named Jake. He's got nipple ring. He's a Canadian.

[Trey Kirby]

Him gonna miss that nipple.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, man.

[Jay Skeets]

So yeah, go check out no bus. Got his own YouTube feeds on podcast feed. Perfect time to get in. We're having a blast. Nora was back here in studio breaking it all down. He's got a watch on his arm.

[Trey Kirby]

Watch tattoo.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. So anyway, back on Monday, NBA awards prediction. So we'll go through all the major awards and make our picks and do some dark horse predictions as well.

[Trey Kirby]

You're gonna be hearing Montes Bozella's name on Monday.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, my goodness. Well, I can't wait for that. Mip. Dpoy, mvp.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, probably fifth. It's hard to break into the top four.

[Jay Skeets]

I love it, man. All right, so we'll see you guys on Monday. Hit the like button. Subscribe five star ratings and reviews. Till then, Clipper Bros. You heard it here first. Have a great time. Turn up. Love you guys.

[Trey Kirby]

Awesome.

[Tas Melas]

Thanks for joining us. And remember, if you want a close up of a pierced nipple, now's the time to get into Survivor.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought you were gonna go like this.

[Tas Melas]

No, I don't. I don't have one nipple. Pierce like Jake.

[Jay Skeets]

Just one pick and pay off. That would be pretty brutal. Gotta keep it in here. Brace the day, people.

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Tas Melas]

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[Jay Skeets]

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