Jaylen Brown Makes Celtics History, Curry's Shoes, Giannis & The Bucks' Big Fat Greek Divorce

Summary

No Dunks – April 8, 2026

Episode Title: Jaylen Brown Makes Celtics History, Curry’s Shoes, Giannis & The Bucks’ Big Fat Greek Divorce
Hosts: J. Skeets, Eshua Kidd, JD
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of No Dunks centers on the NBA’s hottest headlines as the regular season nears its conclusion. Skeets welcomes back Eshua Kidd to break down the playoff races, Jaylen Brown’s record night for the Celtics, Steph Curry’s sneaker free agency, the fractured relationship between Giannis and the Bucks (dubbed "My Big Fat Greek Divorce"), and hot takes on tanking, a new pro dunking league, and more. The show is fast-paced, loaded with banter, and packed with insight, trivia, and laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Celtics-Hornets Recap & Jaylen Brown’s Historic Night

[07:15 – 15:23]

• Jaylen Brown scored 35 points with 9 rebounds, playing every minute of the second half as the Celtics beat the Hornets 113-102.
• Brown surpassed 2,000 points on the season: only the eighth Celtic in franchise history to do so.
  • Other names in this elite club: Bird (4x), Pierce (4x), Tatum (2x), McHale, Havlicek, Sam Jones, Isaiah Thomas.
• Celtics look poised for the playoffs—Tatum and Brown are healthy, and Eshua expresses confidence:
  • “I don’t understand how we can keep saying that, [if] they’ve won a championship... They’re going to the playoffs healthy. Just keep up that momentum.” – Eshua [07:58]
• Vucevic’s struggles and the backup center rotation are discussed, with Skeets noting how Vucevic might not be necessary in early rounds. Eshua prefers Garza as backup.
• Celtics’ defense, particularly from Jordan Walsh, was a difference maker:
  • “Jordan Walsh...shut down LaMelo in the fourth quarter. Lamelo was cooking all game—finishes with 31, 5, and 6. Doesn’t score in the fourth because of Walsh.” – Eshua [14:13]
• Brown’s postgame quote comparing the Hornets to a “younger version” of the Celtics is praised.
• Both hosts are hyped for the playoffs, noting how the East is still a jumble at the bottom.

2. Around the League: Rockets’ Comeback, Suns, Lakers, and Western Playoff Race

[15:23 – 20:54]

• Rockets erased a 21-point deficit to beat the Suns 119-105; Durant scored 24 in his Phoenix return.
• Eshua and Skeets: The Rockets are finally peaking—a 7-game win streak, building an identity with glass domination (55-34 rebound edge, 24 offensive boards).
  • “I’m taking the Rockets in a Lakers matchup.” – Skeets [17:04]
  • “You don’t have Van Vliet...he can be the coach on the floor...That’s what they need.” – Skeets [19:48]
• The fourth quarter offense remains a concern, but young talent (Amen Thompson, Jabari Smith Jr., Tari Eason) is stepping up.
• Wolves clinch a top-6 seed as a result of outcomes.

3. Quick Fire Results & Musings

[24:40 – 26:26]

• Miami Heat labeled “perennial play-in team”:
  • “The Heat suck, man.” – Eshua [25:12]
• Skeets and Eshua marvel at the wild Pelicans-Jazz game (no defense, video game-like scoring) and pile on to the Heat for underperformance.

4. Tanking & The NBA Draft: Draymond Green’s Rant

[27:26 – 36:43]

• Draymond Green called out the Kings for tanking with 3 minutes left, intentionally fouling Seth Curry (a bizarre move), and declared the Play-In "ain’t working."
• Draymond: “We could have lost our last 15 games [and still been 10th]...it ain’t working.” [29:30]
• Skeets and Eshua deep-dive into whether tanking can ever be “fixed,” contemplating the draft lottery’s role and whether stricter fines or rules would help.
  • “People will always find a way to game the system—even if you change the odds.” – Eshua [31:09]
• Tanking’s moral complexity, gambling’s influence on outrage, and fan perspectives are all discussed with humor and passion.

5. The Up-Down Report: Big Fat Greek Divorce, Dunk Man, and Sneaker Talk

[38:01 – 65:01]

a. Giannis & the Bucks: Shams’ Bombshell Article

• Shams’ article on the Giannis-Bucks breakup: generally panned as more of the same, but with a few spicy tidbits (Doc Rivers telling the team “Google me,” bonus money lost for not playing 41 games).
• Eshua gives it a “thumbs down”:
  • “Nobody’s gonna say you’re a bad guy if you want out. It’s the same thing with Dame... It’s middle school to me.” [39:00]
• Speculation on whether Giannis will be moved before next season, with Skeets betting he won’t be in Milwaukee and Eshua thinking he’ll likely start the season with the Bucks. The Miami Heat’s offer for Giannis is mentioned as a signal for the possible future.
• “This was Shams giving a big middle finger to Giannis and the Bucks.” – Skeets [42:43]

b. Shaq’s New Pro Dunk League: Dunk Man

• Shaq and TNT launching a global “Dunk Man” league with an Olympic format and $500K prize.
• Both hosts are thumbs up for fun—expecting viral highlights, but Skeets wonders if the league will help or hurt the NBA’s standing as home of the world’s best dunkers.

c. Steph Curry’s Sneaker Free Agency (and Shoe Auction)

• Curry wore 70+ sneaker styles after leaving Under Armour, now auctioning them for his Eat Learn Play foundation.
  • “The shoe watch was one of the best subplots of the season.” – Eshua [56:54]
• Eshua’s favorite: Curry in yellow Kobes.
• Steph had fun signing kicks, especially Jordans: “Wow, never signed Jordans before.” [59:20]
• Both hosts give a huge thumbs up.

d. Ref in Player’s Shoes: The Shea Gilegous-Alexander Sneaker Controversy

• Ref Carl Lane wore SGA’s Converse signature shoes during a recent game; Adidas trolled online, referencing SGA’s rep for drawing whistles.
• Skeets explains that refs aren’t allowed to have shoe deals or show logos, so Lane likely bought them himself.
• Both see it as a non-issue and fun angle (“It’s literally just shoes!” – Eshua [63:25]), sparking discussion on which shoes refs actually wear, and the surprising wear-and-tear from covering five miles a night.

6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Jordan Walsh shut down Lamelo in the fourth quarter.” – Eshua [14:13]
• “The Heat suck, man.” – Eshua [25:12]
• “Tanking’s been a part of the game forever—even before the lottery...every team’s done it at some point.” – Eshua [34:04]
• “This was Shams giving a big middle finger to Giannis and the Bucks.” – Skeets [42:43]
• On Shaq’s Dunk League: “There’s so many better dunkers than NBA dunkers...it makes you a little sad.” – Eshua [49:28]
• “The shoe watch was one of the best subplots of the season.” – Eshua [56:54]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Wedgie Watch & Celtics-Hornets Postgame: 06:04–15:23
• Rockets-Suns, Western Conference Playoff Talk: 15:23–20:54
• Quick Results Roundup & Heat/Pelicans-Jazz: 24:40–26:38
• Tanking, Draymond Green, and Play-In Debates: 27:26–36:43
• Up-Down Report (Shams/Giannis, Dunk Man, Curry’s Shoes, Ref’s Sneakers): 38:01–65:01
• Woah Boy of the Night/Star Wars Thumb War Plug: 65:08–68:35

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Endnotes & Housekeeping

• “Woah Boy” of the Night: Jeremiah Fierce (Pelicans rookie) – 40 points, youngest guard ever with a 40+ point game (19 years old).
• Fun audience engagement: Trivia, opinions on tanking solutions, shoe talk, and tongue-in-cheek takes on NBA news.
• Usual camaraderie and playful jabs—especially as Skeets and Eshua recount old basketball and pickleball stories.
• Thumb War Star Wars Recap: Eshua’s involved in movie recaps, up to The Empire Strikes Back.
• NBA Play-in and playoffs coverage is imminent; anticipation high for next week’s episode with regular hosts returning.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode offers a detailed but lively breakdown of current NBA events. If you want the feel of hanging at the bar with basketball lifers who blend stats, pop culture, and friendship, this is the show for you. From locker-room stories and witty sneaker debates to big-picture league issues, the No Dunks crew keep it fresh, honest, and entertaining.

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Essential Quotes & Segments to Check Out:

• Jaylen Brown’s place in Celtics history, plus vintage Celtics trivia [11:13]
• Rockets optimism & the “glass” identity [17:28]
• Draymond’s play-in and tanking rant [29:30]
• Giannis/Bucks trade speculation & Shams report [39:00–46:27]
• Steph’s sneaker free agency + auction for charity [56:54]
• Ref Carl Lane’s player shoes (and what refs actually wear) [60:28]

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Tone: Irreverent, stat-savvy, sharp, and full of in-jokes—yet always welcoming to the NBA-curious.

Transcript

[J. Skeets]

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[J. Skeets]

Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the no Dunks podcast, presented by FanDuel. It's Wednesday, April 8, 2026. I'm J. Skeets here in the classic factory, and alongside me, a former co worker, a good friend back, Eshua Kidd.

[Eshua Kidd]

How y' all doing?

[J. Skeets]

What's up, Ash? Nice to have you here. And let's not forget the man, the myth, the legend, super producer jd.

[Eshua Kidd]

Hello.

[J. Skeets]

There he is. Here we are. Great to have you back.

[Eshua Kidd]

Hey, man, it's great to be back. Always good to be here.

[J. Skeets]

I notice you have a box of Kleenex beside you. Are you planning to get emotional here in your return?

[Eshua Kidd]

As emotional as it is to be back on the show? Actually, I'm just. I'm always sick when I'm on here. Like anytime I'm here with Tash or Trey. I've been here before. There's sniffles happening all the time, so I just. I don't know what it is. I'm allergic to you guys, I guess.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, maybe allergies could be a thing here in Atlanta.

[Eshua Kidd]

Allergies have been kicking my ass for a little bit.

[J. Skeets]

It's been raining pollen.

[Eshua Kidd]

Look, I played pickleball outside for hours the other day with JD and Rachel, okay? Not one sniffle, not one sneeze. I wake up yesterday and I'm like, I can't breathe. I'm like, what is happening to me? Wait, I don't understand.

[J. Skeets]

Now, you do have four children.

[Eshua Kidd]

I do.

[J. Skeets]

And I assume one of them is always sick. Meaning you're always sick or sniffles here.

[Eshua Kidd]

Recently, they've all been healthy.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, gee, I do you have a bad immune system? Man, It's a low.

[Eshua Kidd]

I guess it is me. I don't know what's going on.

[J. Skeets]

I Did put him in a cold plunge. Oh, wow.

[Eshua Kidd]

Hypothermia. That's what it is.

[J. Skeets]

Your baller gym. Yeah. Which is literally a resort. Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

The bougie ass gym.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Eshua Kidd]

It's crazy.

[J. Skeets]

How did pickleball go? Where are you?

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[J. Skeets]

Awesome for me. Really? Really?

[Eshua Kidd]

Was it awesome for you? Like, what do you mean?

[J. Skeets]

I destroyed you, man. Oh, Jesus. All right.

[Eshua Kidd]

Me and Courtney were not doing very well against him and Rachel. We switched up teams. I won one match during the day. It was J.D.

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and I. Yeah, that's true.

[J. Skeets]

Guys versus girls. All right.

[Eshua Kidd]

All right. But I remember one match, we were up like 8 to 1. We lost. We lost.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Okay. So are you playing a lot more this.

[Eshua Kidd]

Becoming more regular for a while last year and then we haven't played in a. But we're trying to get back in and we hadn't seen these guys in a while, so we're like, let's. Let's hang out a little bit.

[J. Skeets]

Please tell me you're still playing pickup basketball, though.

[Eshua Kidd]

Oh, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Eshua Kidd]

Basketball all the time. All the time. You should see me right now. I'm back.

[J. Skeets]

Really?

[Eshua Kidd]

I am back.

[J. Skeets]

All right.

[Eshua Kidd]

Okay. Ask anybody. Call anybody up at the FLC in Gainesville, Georgia. They'll tell you.

[J. Skeets]

They'll tell you.

[Eshua Kidd]

Look, I'm talking about the kid.

[J. Skeets]

Did.

[Eshua Kidd]

We're playing the 12. I'm scoring eight, you know, so where

[J. Skeets]

was that the one time we needed it in three on three tournament.

[Eshua Kidd]

Listen, I think you had a shot. If you talk to anybody that's not you or Trey Kirby. You and Trey have not seen the best.

[J. Skeets]

We caught you on a bad day. It happens. It's all right. We got a wedgie to show everyone here. If you're joining us on YouTube, hit the like button. Subscribe. Do it for ESH kid. Being back in the classic factory. Podcast listeners, five star ratings and reviews. But yeah, wedgie number 71, Killian Hayes. He plays for the Sacramento Kings. Did you know that? I know. A lot of you didn't.

[Eshua Kidd]

I actually didn't. I saw highlights this morning. I'm like Killing Hayes.

[J. Skeets]

Who the hell is that? Yeah, he's on the Kings. Yeah, he is. And that is wedgie 71. And the kings, despite having an absolute brutal season, the one thing they figured out this year, how to stick wedgies. Because they have seven combined wedgies on the year. That is our, you know, clubhouse leader when it comes to teams. Six different players have stuck a wedgie for the Kings. Drew Eubanks has two.

[Eshua Kidd]

Okay.

[J. Skeets]

Ni Clifford the rookie Sabonis, when he was playing Monk, had one Keegan Murray and now Killian Hayes.

[Eshua Kidd]

There you go. I can't believe we're at 71 wedges. That's insane.

[J. Skeets]

I mean, look, I'm getting ahead of myself now. It feels like 80 might be in play.

[Eshua Kidd]

We're. We're hitting Bam out of bio numbers.

[J. Skeets]

Whoa. Wow. Yeah, that's right. Barry Bonds is on our list. First gotta beat Bonds, and then maybe Bam will be next in line or I guess maybe Kobe, then Bam. Yeah, we're getting it.

[Eshua Kidd]

We're getting it.

[J. Skeets]

All right. 71 wedgies. Okay, let's get into a few of last night's games, and then later on, we're gonna do the up down report because I got some fun questions for you to throw some thumbs on and everybody to play along. But let's start with the. I think the game of the last night. Jalen Brown scoring 35 points as the Celtics ashes Celtics beat the Hornets 113. 102. They take the season series. This is a potential playoff matchup. Not a good loss for the Hornets in terms of the standings, especially with some of the other results, but we could still see this. Your takeaways from an entertaining, at least Celtics Hornets game here.

[Eshua Kidd]

I mean, it was super fun. I love watching Lamelo play, man. I think everybody in the country loves watching Lamelo play. Honestly, it's exciting. I'm happy for them that they're, like, in the hunt for the playoffs and they look good, but, yeah, the Celtics look great right now. I am so excited as a Celtics fan here, just because, like, Tatum and Brown, people. I heard you guys talking about this yesterday. You and Ben talking about, oh, can Tatum and Brown figure it out? As if they didn't just win the championship.

[J. Skeets]

Hold on. Ben said that. I countered. What are we talking of? We're still doing this nonsense.

[Eshua Kidd]

I don't understand how we can keep saying that they've won a championship. Okay, they might have flamed out last year. Tatum got hurt, obviously, but him coming back. He scored 20 points in his last six games. Yeah, like, he's. He's back. He looks good. The Celtics are healthy for the first time all year. They're going to the playoffs healthy. Like, just keep up that momentum. Like Vucevich. People are a little worried about. Who cares? We don't. They don't need him. I don't think.

[J. Skeets]

You don't think you need him to win a title. I mean, I think they might not a first round. Maybe not even A second round. I think at some point they're going to need to get something from their center position. Backup center position. Yeah, Voodoo look bad. Like he's coming back from a hand injury. I think he was 1 for 10 last night. How many good games has he had for the Celtics all year?

[Eshua Kidd]

No, no, I don't think. Maybe, maybe one or two.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, one or two. I remember he played against the Bulls revenge game. Well. But I think they do need something from again, whether it's going to be Vuch or will Missoula be like, okay, sorry, we go Garza or something like that.

[Eshua Kidd]

Maybe, maybe Garza. Just the way that he's been able to stretch it out a little bit more, I think he might just be a better fit right now. Like obviously Vucevich is a good player. He's a decent player. Like when we get to it, like, is he. Can he perform? Sure. I don't know. But I just don't know if we need him, if everybody else is firing the way that they are right now, the way that they're playing. Listening to the NBA daily this morning they're talking about how the Celtics haven't really been playing Missoula ball recently. Like they haven't been shooting a lot of threes like we were accustomed to. Yeah, they've been mixing it up a little bit. Got Jaylen Brown in the mid range, stuff like that, like through these playoffs. I think they can just really make some noise. I think they're going to be the ones to represent the east. And I would, I don't know if I maybe not pick them against the spurs or the Thunder, who I think would probably come out of the west, but they'd be right there. I just don't know what else we have, you know?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, Jalen Brown was awesome. 35 points, nine boards played every minute of the second half. And you could tell, I don't know if you saw his post game interview. That guy was sweating buckets, man. Patrick Ewing style. He was dripping, but he was big in the fourth quarter. I thought they did an awesome job of like getting Knipple on Jaylen Brown as much as possible. Knipple's a big boy. Like, you know, there was, there was one play where like Jalen Brown tried to back him up on the post. Like he didn't move him. He's strong. But that said, I think Jelen liked the matchup, could still get to his spots, rise up over him. Like he could create enough separation on the rook. I thought he did a great job. Down the stretch there, they were sort of attacking him a lot. And again, it wasn't like, ooh, he was like reaching at things or bad fouls. It was just like Jalen felt comfortable in that matchup and they were seeking it out. So little history for Jalen Brown. Last night he surpassed 2,000 points on the season, becoming just the eighth Celtics player to do so in a single season. You want to take a crack at some trivia here? Naming other Celtics players to hit 2000 points, which is obviously a lot of points in a regular season. Bird, Bird did it four times.

[Eshua Kidd]

Paul Pierce four times.

[J. Skeets]

Tatum twice. Okay, now it gets a little more difficult. We got some oldies and some more. At least one more recent guy, Mikhail. Mikhail did it once. Okay, okay, good stuff. We got. We got two older guys than Mikhail.

[Eshua Kidd]

Older than Mikhail.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. Legendary Celtics players.

[Eshua Kidd]

Havlicek twice.

[J. Skeets]

Wow. Can you pull this off? Now you got one super old guy and you've got one more in the last super old guy decade, I guess. Or Bill Russell. No, Sam Jones is gonna be the first one.

[Eshua Kidd]

Okay, Sam Jones, okay.

[J. Skeets]

But think small guy. He had an all NBA year with the Celtics. Sort of, sort of out of nowhere, Isaiah Thomas. Bingo.

[Eshua Kidd]

There we go.

[J. Skeets]

Well done, sir. Well done. Not a sniffle even said during that trip or heard. And now Jaylen Brown obviously adds his name to the list. So, hey, pretty impressive.

[Eshua Kidd]

You love to see it. You love to see it.

[J. Skeets]

The other thing I was loving with this game is it was like a good back and forth affair and I thought a really good test for the Hornets here if they trying to get into the playoffs or through the play. In and over these last four nights, I was thinking, oh, here we go. Playoff basketball is right around the corner. What I mean by that is like Saturday, Spurs, Nuggets, overtime, thriller. Easy game of the year. Candidate Sunday Rockets spoiled Steph Curry's return. One point victory. They ran a play down the stretch, got the bucket inside. Curry missed the three entertaining Monday insane Knicks Hawks game. I don't know. Were you down at the Fortress? No, for that one. Okay, you know the shot where McCollum throws it up from pass half court. It banks in, but it's just on his fingertips. But that one had like Nikhil Alexander Walker hitting clutch shots down the stretch. Then Brunson doing his thing. Intense. And then Tuesday, last night we had the Celtics takeover versus the Hornets late. So I'm like, I'm like, okay, here we go. These are the playoff type games.

[Eshua Kidd]

So ready for the playoffs, man. So ready for the playoffs, like, the race in the east is insane. I know yesterday you mentioned that each one of those bottom half teams could finish anywhere. It's not that case anymore. But I just. I'm just ready for it to start so bad right now. I just needed to get going.

[J. Skeets]

It's almost here. I sort of was shocked that, like, this is the final week of the regular season and then we got the play in next week and then into

[Eshua Kidd]

the playoffs kind of flown by, hasn't it? Like, it feels like. It feels like it's been super long, but at the same time, like, here we are in almost the middle of April.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

What is. What is going on with time?

[J. Skeets]

We're ready. We're ready for sure. My only other note from this game, I thought Jordan Walsh was a difference maker. I mean, in a game where Brown and Tatum and these guys look great, he, like, he had 9.6 boards, so, like, found money. I don't think he missed a shot, but he sort of shut down Lamelo Ball in the second half of that game because he was cooking. Lamelo was. He didn't score in the fourth quarter.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Didn't have a lot of points in the second half in total. I thought a lot of it was his defense, Jordan Walsh applying pressure there and really shutting that off.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah. Lamelo was cooking all game long. Finishes with 31, 5 and 6. Doesn't score in the fourth quarter because of Jordan Walsh. Like you're saying. Yeah. And you take away the head of the snake a little bit and they're just like, okay, what do we do? I think they just couldn't put it together. So I don't know. I'm. I'm just super. I'm excited about the Celtics, man. I think they are deeper than a lot of people may think. They have some guys, you know, like, any given night, some of them can show up, and I think it's going to be really important in the playoffs. I don't know how long or how deep the rotation is going to be.

[J. Skeets]

Right.

[Eshua Kidd]

But anybody that he plugs in, they're ready to go.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, that's a good point. My favorite or one more thought I should say is Jalen Brown, after the game, talked about how he sees the Celtics. Excuse me, he sees the Hornets as sort of a younger version of his Celtics. I thought that was really cool, like, their competitive spirit. Them obviously trying to, like, get to the next level making the playoffs. And that's what Brown and Tatum used to be with the Celtics. It was sort of a cool comparison. And I could sort of see it, too.

[Eshua Kidd]

You can see it a little bit. Yeah. I hope the Hornets can keep this going, you know, like, they finally had a good year. Everybody's been healthy for the most part, so maybe, maybe they will be in the next couple years in the upper echelon in the Eastern Conference. That'd be nice to see.

[J. Skeets]

One part of that equation, though, I was thinking when he was showing praise to the Hornets is like, yeah, but Brandon Miller's got to turn a little bit more into you, Jalen Brown. And, like, offensively, I think he's there, but I need to see a lot more on the defensive end from Brandon Miller. He is a sometimes type player, man. Like, a little more force would be nice. Like, obviously that Jalen does give it to you on both ends, so. But that was a hell of a compliment. And again, you know, you sort of squint. You can see it like, these are the steps to becoming a really good team, hopefully for a long team. Like, the Celtics have been moving on. The Rockets overcame a poor start. I mean, they were down a lot early, but came back and beat The Suns pretty handedly. 119, 105. Durant, 24 points in his return to Phoenix. And yeah, they were down like 21 points, I think.

[Eshua Kidd]

21 points.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

Had the game on. I was trying to watch as much as I could. They got down big. I'm like, I'm gonna go to bed.

[J. Skeets]

But I know because this was a late game.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yes, it was a. I don't know. These 11, 11 o' clock starts are crazy. Like, what are we doing?

[J. Skeets]

They're crazy late for us East Coasters.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, what are we doing? But, yeah, I went to sleep, I was like, maybe this is over, but I know that first half leads aren't real. So waking up this morning, I had to go finish watching that game. I'm like, what a good one, honestly. Kevin Durant finishing with 24. Amand Thompson had 22. He had 12 in the fourth.

[J. Skeets]

They had some crazy finishes, too.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, he had a nice little dunk on the baseline, like. Or no coming down the middle. Yeah, they just. I was worried about the Rockets a little bit ago, but here they are tied with the Lakers still in the fifth seed. But I don't know, man. What do we. What do we think about them? Like, if they have to play the Lakers, I guess, in the first round, who are super.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, I'm taking the Rockets. Yeah, I am taking the Rockets in a Lakers matchup. I have been more than most people holding on to hope with the Rockets now. I like that they're peaking at the right time here. Okay? They are. They're on a seven game win streak, seven straight. This is the best they've looked to me over a majority of the season. I know there's concern still with the fourth quarter offense and all that, but their identity at least is like. And we saw it in last night's game. It's like destroy them on the glass.

[Eshua Kidd]

Always. Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

55 to 34 rebounding edge, 24 to 10 on the offensive glass. So just more chances, more second chance opportunities. You had Durant on the bench to start the fourth. They went on an 80 run. You brought up Amin Thompson who I thought looked great. Jabari Smith Jr hit some big threes. I like what I'm starting to see from him a little bit more. I like hearing his name in these game highlights or in recaps that you read. It's like I don't like when he's like disappearing. That's good. And then Tari Eason came back too. He played 31 minutes. I thought he was. Gave him a defensive identity too. So I still believe that the Rockets could at least go to the second round and they're really helped out if they play the Lakers in some sort of match.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, I mean, I guess it depends on what do we think about Luka and Austin Reaves, like are they going to be back? Like what they look like?

[J. Skeets]

Who knows?

[Eshua Kidd]

Who knows, right?

[J. Skeets]

Doesn't feel like it.

[Eshua Kidd]

But I mean, so if the, if the Rockets do make it to the second round, like do can they go further?

[J. Skeets]

Well, look, I don't think they're beating the Thunder. No. You know. You know, if they get there in the four or five spot and then play the number one seed. No, but I'd love to see them be competitive. Like there's a huge difference of just getting completely waxed by, let's say the Spurs, Thunder or Nuggets and putting up a fight.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Again, they can like sort of build off of that. You don't have Van Vliet either. You know, there's that huge part of the equation. He would help in theory run a team in the fourth quarter. So that's what they need. Like that to me is best case scenario. Now it's like, especially if you get the Lakers, win a first round and then just look competitive against these upper echelon teams. Don't be embarrassed, but anything's in play. As we've been saying with this team. Yeah, they're Jekyll and Hyde.

[Eshua Kidd]

That's a perfect comparison for it because you just never know what you're going to get with this team. Them bringing in Kevin Durant. Like you said, they've won seven straights, so something's clicking for them right now. But the fourth quarter offense, they just break down so many times. Looking around like what we're supposed to, like, what are we doing? That's just so surprising to me. I just, I can't believe we've had an entire season of them still trying to figure out what they want to do at the end of a game. And I don't understand that at all.

[J. Skeets]

It is, it's odd. Especially when you have Durant, you have. Sengun is a great scorer.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, exactly. Two good scorers. But also Sengun being a great facilitator. Like, you should be able to run something and then get the ball to KD or get the ball into somebody's hand and be able to make a good play.

[J. Skeets]

I think you're just. You see where you miss like a floor general, like, like a Van Vliet. I. I know, I know. It's like, I know Van Vlietz had games. I saw it firsthand with the Raptors where, you know, he shot the team out of games and then the opposite, where he completely won games. But he can obviously just ride a ship and I think can, like, he can be the, the coach on the floor in terms of like, where should we get the ball? What should we be running here? He's not coming back. You know, we, we played that game for a while. We thought, oh, is he? Isn't he? But he's not coming. Coming back. But again, competitive postseason run here would be a nice building block. And, and I want to see Jabari Smith Jr play well in the playoffs. Atari, Easton, like all the young guys, too. Amen Thompson. So I think that's another thing. So big win, though. Came back. You know, could have been one of those ones where they're like, okay, not our night, but they were back in the game by halftime. Yeah, like, it was like a three point game, so. And this does mean their win and the sun's loss. The Wolves are a top six seed in the playoffs. They can't fall into the play end.

[Eshua Kidd]

Right.

[J. Skeets]

So there's that as well.

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[J. Skeets]

Let's show you the other results from last night. You know, Bulls beat the Wizards. We had some blowouts. The Nets won. They beat the Bucks. I know Nets fans are not all that happy right now because they were looking pretty a couple weeks ago in terms of their chances in the lottery and the ping pong balls and all that. But now they're winning games here and are like sliding sort of the wrong way. The warriors beat the Kings. We'll get into that in a second. Thunder beat the Lakers easily. Wolves beat the Pacers. The Raptors put 120 plus on the heat. What is going on with Miami?

[Eshua Kidd]

The Heat suck, man.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, the Heat suck.

[J. Skeets]

Pelicans and the Jazz played a hilarious game that was a pickup game, no defense played. And then the Clippers beat the Mavs. Is the other one. We didn't talk about any of those that. Yeah. You wanted to address outside of the Heat sucking, because I agree with you.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah. I don't ever know what's going on with the Heat or any of these Florida teams, so we don't really have to talk about them. But that's, that's just crazy. I don't know, just a note on them, you know, the past few years or over the, I guess the last six years, they have a guy come in, they look really good and you're like, wow, that guy's going to be good. We've seen it with Talahiro, we've seen it with Jaime Hawkes.

[J. Skeets]

Yep.

[Eshua Kidd]

It's probably another one in there.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

Why can't they ever figure it out and just play good basketball consistently? I don't know what it is.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, they're. They're our perennial playing team now. I think this is the fourth straight year that they're in. The play in.

[Eshua Kidd]

It doesn't make sense to me. Heat culture down there and then everything that happened with Jimmy Butler, like, that's kind of a. I don't even want to call them a joke, but they're kind of becoming a joke of a franchise a little bit. I don't. I don't understand what's going on down there, but other than that, I really want to talk about the Pelicans because they put up 50 points in a quarter, and then Jordan Poole had 22 of his 34 in the third quarter. They're just. This is a game of 2K on rookie mode. Honestly, like, it was insane. Every time you press the button, the ball's going in. And what is this? Crazy to me.

[J. Skeets]

We'll get to Woah Boy, obviously later. There were three nominees from this game for Woah Boy and the winner. I won't spoil it, but there were three guys with stat lines from this game alone. Jazz Pelicans, early April, that we're putting up huge, huge lines here because they're just like, let's go have some fun. Yeah, rookie mode on 2K is a great way to put it. 50 in the third quarter. Followed it up with 45 in the fourth in a 45 to 41 fourth quarter. I mean, it's a fun game to play in if you're an NBA player. Like, sort of like a fringe NBA player. It's like, oh, geez, we don't have to play defense.

[Eshua Kidd]

Okay, just come shoot. Just come shoot. That's. That's the end of the day at a pickup run for sure. Like, oh, this is the last game.

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[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, we're just. We're firing, but they're actually hitting shots, you know?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Usually the last run at a pickup run is the worst one.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

The extra one where you're like, we probably should have ended on that half decent game, but let's run it back one more. And then that's the one where nobody can hit a shot. Everybody's tired at our level. At least Draymond Green did have some things to say after getting the victory over the Kings last night. He called out the tanking Kings. Then he had a lot of thoughts on the play in tournament two. Said, it ain't working. So a couple things let's start with the play in part, Draymond Green said. Rather than discourage Tanking, Green believes this play in tournament has just made it convenient to do so. So he cited this blatant example last night with the Kings, and it was pretty crazy. It was a one possession game, a one point game. Warriors Kings. Doug Christie told his players, he seemed to tell Doug McDermott to foul Seth Curry. There's three minutes left. And put him like at the line because they were already in the bonus, already in the penalty, and it was like, why, what do we do? Seth Curry, by the way, hadn't missed a free throw all season long. Now, he hadn't played a lot because he'd been injured, but he was like, he was perfect at the line. He's a great free throw shooter. He's one of the best shooters ever. His brother is the greatest shooter ever. He's not bad, too. Yeah, no, the funniest part is he missed one. So it's like it sort of worked amazingly. Doug Christie, you know, genius there, but, yeah, Draymond's like, what are we doing here? Like, they're like. The idea is like, they're blatantly trying to tank away this game. They don't want to win.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

I don't know what happened. I haven't heard Doug Christie talk about it. Why would you foul Seth Curry? I think there was some miscommunication. I think they were saying, foul Pat Spencer, who's not as great at three point free throw shooter, foul him. Maybe put him on the line. It's probably still a weird decision. But then they just got it. Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

Like, why are you fouling and you're down by one with time left.

[J. Skeets]

Very strange.

[Eshua Kidd]

But I guess my question is, like, he's calling out the Tanking Kings, right? He's talking about them, but then he starts talking about the play internment, like, what does that have to do with the Kings in this situation?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, it's a good point. Well, he said this quote, we could have lost our last 15 games. He's talking about the warriors and been stuck in 10th. It ain't working, you know, but it works for a little bit. But, you know, if you could lose all last 15 games of your season when you could be stuck in 10th, it ain't working. I think what Draymond Green is just saying is there are so many bad teams this year that are leaning into the tank that, like, we've struggled. We could just go on an epic losing streak, and we're still not even moving. So I Guess he's just illustrating, like, look where we are, fighting to get in and, you know, getting Curry back and try and make some noise. But it's like we could have gone on, like, an ultimate losing streak and it wouldn't have mattered because all these other teams have leaned into tanking so early. And that was a big discussion this year.

[Eshua Kidd]

Right?

[J. Skeets]

There's always tanking. Talk comes in March, comes late March. You know, like shenanigans at the end of a season. We've seen that for decades. But this year, it was like teams before the All Star break seem to be doing the shenanigans and the sitting guys down and injuries and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I guess that's what Draymond's saying.

[Eshua Kidd]

I know. And we've been talking about tanking forever,

[J. Skeets]

which is why I'm happy the playoffs are right around the corner.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yes.

[J. Skeets]

Thank God.

[Eshua Kidd]

Because every. Every week, it's. What can we do to fix tanking? What can Adam Silver do? What are we going to do? We're going to look at this, we're going to look at that, and it's just like, nothing's going to change. Like, you're going to do it forever.

[J. Skeets]

You don't think one of the proposals, this idea of the 8% to sort of all the teams, including, you know, the top 10, I guess it was, would get 8% chance, and then teams that were even in the play in and stuff like that, getting a much smaller percent. You like, evening it out.

[Eshua Kidd]

Look, how do you. How do you get your draft slot? What do they do? They do a lottery. Lottery is what gambling. Look at this country. You know what I mean? It's always going to be.

[J. Skeets]

I've got a good ad read coming up in a second. Just hold that thought.

[Eshua Kidd]

Come on, man. Like, yeah, okay, you. Even odds. It doesn't matter if you have a 1% chance. Like, people play the lottery every day. People go to a casino every day. These odds are the same. The GMs are going to be like, okay, we suck. We could suck more and we could get better through the draft. Like, no matter what they do, they're going to feel that way. And like you said, tanking has been a part of the game forever. Even before the draft lottery. Even, like, even back when they used to just give the worst team the number one pick. Like, no matter what we do, they're going to. They're going to tank.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, I agree with that. But you have to admit, this has gotten uglier than normal or more blatant. Than normal. And maybe it's the loaded draft of it all and, you know, and really wanting a chance at one of these top, top picks, which is why we're having the battle to the bottom. But Draymond's other point, you know, we don't have the clip, but he did say, like, we have no problem finding players. He's talking about himself a lot of times here. Like, when I cross a line or I do something wrong or something bad for the game or whatever. I'm paraphrasing here, but he's like, why aren't we doing that with these teams that do it? And, like, to that I say, like, maybe he's got a point. Like, does Silver just need to, like, rule with an iron fist a little bit more here? Like, I know some teams have been fined, yeah, like the Jazz, Jazz and the Pacers, but there are many other teams that they could have been coming down on. And you just hurt him where, like, hit them where it hurts. And that is the wallet for ownership in the front office and stuff like that.

[Eshua Kidd]

I think it's. I think it's the same as, like, with these injuries and resting and stuff like that. Like, teams always find a way to come up with some kind of excuse to get around something, you know? So I guess when you say, oh, that team's tanking, let's put a big fine on it, it's like, how can you prove that? I know they were talking about sending doctors to. To see if people are hurt for real. Like, I don't know what that is, and maybe that's a slippery slope, but there's always. There's always going to be something that they can find a loophole to tank or arrest somebody or whatever that the league doesn't really like. So I don't. I don't know. Like, if you. If you start putting fines on teams, I'm sure they'll just find a way around it. And then I don't want to insult the integrity of the NBA by saying, like, all these guys are going out there, like, throwing games. Because I don't think, like, players don't take.

[J. Skeets]

Players are not. The players are not organization. They're not. It's the coaching. It's really the organization, the front office of, like, electing, because they're incentivized to do so to save their asses as GMs or executives. Like, get a draft pick, have that player who can be a game changer in the NBA. That's the other thing. This sport, more than most One guy can, like, completely turn around a franchise.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Hope alone, and then results on the floor, and you can lock them up for seven years. That's the other part of this equation. Right. It's like the best way forward. Sorry to jump in there.

[Eshua Kidd]

No, I guess when you say it, though, like, when you say that, it sounds not that bad. Like, tanking maybe should just be a part of the game. We have teams that are going to be perennially good or perennially mid. See the Hawks, usually. But you're going to have teams that are going to be bad. And how do you get back, you know, like, no matter what it is, how do you get back into the conversation of being mid, being good? Like, every team in the NBA's history, all 30 organizations, have at some point probably tanked, unless they have been the luckiest organization. But even. Even the spurs did it back in the day to get Tim Duncan. Like, every organization has done it.

[J. Skeets]

So why is it louder now? Why is the noise around tanking loud? I think it goes back to what you're saying about the gambling part.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Because now people are betting on all these games. They're betting player props. They're betting whether a guy's playing or not. And then when you have all these shenanigans of sitting guys down or whatever, like, then it's like all the gamblers are like, what the hell?

[Eshua Kidd]

Exactly. I think that's the way.

[J. Skeets]

And you got into bed with this and you sort of on top of

[Eshua Kidd]

social media in the era that we live in, that we complain about everything, like, well, yeah, so I think that's part of it is like, hey, this is my team. I would like to. Well, I don't even know if the fans of the specific team. Are they complaining or is it the fans?

[J. Skeets]

I don't think so. A lot of time I just said Nets fans, from what I saw, were actually angry. Their team is winning. What are we doing? We were bad all year, and now we're going to maybe blow our chances or our percentage at maybe getting a.

[Eshua Kidd]

I mean, how many times have you heard, like, this team, like, with the Bulls, with Trey even. Right. He's always like, we got to do something. We've been here.

[J. Skeets]

Pick a side.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

So do we. Do we want to just be the ten seed every single year? No, but what do we do? Like, let's go ahead and just be the 15th seed. Let's just be bad so we can get better.

[J. Skeets]

Right.

[Eshua Kidd]

So that's the thing.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's messy. You know, I'm a little worried that the NBA will overreact to this noise on Twitter and people because like you bring up the point like the other night where we had the Friday night there were all those blowouts and it was like, you know, I say it's a big deal, but because you're online, if you're locked in online, it feels like it's like crazy. Right? There's a lot more important things going on in the world right now than a bunch of blow up, you know, lopsided victories on Friday night or losses. But it's like, why do you care? I know those people complaining about it. We're not watching said games. They didn't pay for tickets for those games. It's like, okay, I get it. No one wants that. We want competitive games, as many as possible. There's like over 1200 games played. They're not all going to end like in a one possession game.

[Eshua Kidd]

Exactly.

[J. Skeets]

So. And again, they're incentivized to do. This is the whole other part of it. And until that changes, I mean, what, like it's going to. They ain't fixing it this year. Of course.

[Eshua Kidd]

Of course.

[J. Skeets]

But a weird product. I guess you can argue it's a very weird product in some of these games in March and April. I think the worst part was when we were doing it in February and we were talking about in February. Yeah, that's the worst part. Yeah. All right, let's take a break and when we come back, we'll get to the up down report. Don't hate me for this sesh, but. Attention all new FanDuel customers. You can bet $5 and get 250 in bonus bonus bets if your first bet wins. That's right. Turn five bucks into two fiddy in bonus bets just for getting started. And when every possession matters in the playoffs, FanDuel makes it easy to get closer to the action. From player props on your favorite stars to all the tools you need to back them up, FanDuel puts player research right at your fingertips, right at your fingies. So you can check the stats, trends, matchups, all in one place. And you can make your picks with confidence. It's everything you need, all in one app. So don't miss your shot. Head to FanDuel.com podcast to get started. FanDuel play your game, but do so responsibly. And the good thing about the playoffs, teams are playing, guys are playing.

[Eshua Kidd]

Very true.

[J. Skeets]

You know, don't be gambling on late March games or April games.

[Eshua Kidd]

Wait Till the playoffs.

[J. Skeets]

I would wait till the playoffs. It's a lot more fun. The sweat's a lot more fun. All right, let's get into the up down report.

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[J. Skeets]

Okay. I got some good ones for my guy Esch here and everyone in the Stream team and podcast listeners play along. Thumbs up or down first. 1 NBA insider Shams Sharanya dropped a lengthy article on ESPN yesterday titled Inside the Fractured Relationship between Giannis and the Bucks. Some people were calling this a bombshell from Shams. Others said it was a fairly generic summary, really, of what Shams has been tweeting and writing about over the last couple months. What we are now calling My Big Fat Greek Divorce. That's what we've decided on. That was somebody in the Stream team the other day when I was talking to the Zakarian about it. The Yaunis was proposed.

[Eshua Kidd]

I like that.

[J. Skeets]

A couple other ones, but I like My Big Fat Greek Divorce. But the article. Let's get back to that. Up or down? Ash on Seam's article on this season long conflict here between Giannis and the Bucks.

[Eshua Kidd]

I mean, good article, but I'm down, okay, I'm down just because I'm so tired of talking about it. Like this has been a topic in every show that you've watched, every podcast that you listen to. Anytime you're in an arena and somebody starts talking about Giannis here it is like, it's such a headache, man. Like, just say you, you've said this a lot. You don't have to be the good guy all the time. And also, nobody's gonna say you're a bad guy if you wanted to leave. It's the same thing with Dame before in Portland. It's just like, if you want to get out of here, you want to win, you've done your due diligence. And it's even better for Giannis because they won a championship.

[J. Skeets]

Exactly.

[Eshua Kidd]

Like, you don't have to be a buck for life. They haven't done completely right by you. Nobody's going to call you Kevin Durant. Nobody's going to call you OG LeBron. Just say you want to get out of there because it's not the right fit anymore. And it's okay instead of going through all these back channels and being like, hey, I kind of want out of here. But going to the public and being like, hey, it's not, not up to me, it's up to my agent. But also, I kind of told my agent, I don't want to be here. And also, like, there's no point in that. It's so silly to me. It's middle school to me.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. What was new in this article from Shams is a fair question. There were some fun nuggets. I mean, the one that's getting aggregated is the Doc Rivers telling the team to Google me, check the resume when they were struggling. And he's saying, you know, like, I'm a Hall of Fame coach. He just went into the hall of Fame. That was pretty funny. We had Shams talking about this idea that multiple sources said the Bucks decision to sit Giannis cost him a significant bonus in his Nike endorsement contract that would have been triggered had he played at least 41 games. That's a little eye opening because a part of this is like, Giannis is like, I gotta get back out there. I gotta play. I gotta play. I don't care if we're. Can't even get into the play in now. And everybody is going like, it's a little weird. You've been injured all year long. You've had, like five injuries. So what's. What's really going on here? It's like, you know, this, like, he's coach from Survivor. This loyal and integrity and all this where you roll your eyes at it. But people are saying one, it may just be he wants to play with his brothers.

[Eshua Kidd]

True.

[J. Skeets]

I really, truly believe that might be a case here.

[Eshua Kidd]

It'd be his last opportunity, right?

[J. Skeets]

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Will another organization hire your brothers and put them on the. On the roster? At least two of them. Probably not. And then this other one is like this, maybe contracting with Nike. I mean, I don't know. I think Giannis is doing okay money wise, but.

[Eshua Kidd]

But everybody always wants to make more money.

[J. Skeets]

I know.

[Eshua Kidd]

So.

[J. Skeets]

So, okay, interesting. Kyle Kuzma apparently spoke to Ryan Rollins and Kevin Porter Jr. After a particularly intense exchange. And. And again, a bad run for the Bucks, maybe selfish play. And that word about Kuzma talking to these younger guys got back to the coaching staff. And then Kuzma got a DMP CD right after that. So that's a little weird. Here's what I'm getting at here. Here was my takeaway. This was Sham's given a big middle finger to Giannis and the Bucks. Really honest more than anyone, because they've had this sort of contentious relationship all year. Sham's reporting, and then everybody's sort of firing back Giannis every time, talking about it. I didn't ask to be traded. I didn't ask to do this. I just want to get out there. So this, like, was. This was like a little mini Woj from Seams. Now, if Woj wrote this. Scorched earth.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, 100%.

[J. Skeets]

And so this is Seams, so it's a little lighter, a little nicer. But there were some, like, I thought, some middle fingers, some shots at, like, my reporting says, this is a mess. You're a big reason why it got to this point. Both of them. Both. Both the front office and Giannis and his team. So that was my interpretation.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah. I think you're. I think you're 100% right. Honestly.

[J. Skeets]

This was him getting back at Giannis for, you know, the celebrity All Star Game incident and stuff like that.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, it's a mess, man. Like, I can't believe we've been talking about this for so long. I really can't.

[J. Skeets]

We're not done.

[Eshua Kidd]

No, it's not over. It's not going to be over until something happens. And not sure if or when something's going to happen. And that's.

[J. Skeets]

You do not believe. Well. Well, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Do you think Giannis plays Game one for the Milwaukee Bucks next year?

[Eshua Kidd]

The way that things have been going? Probably.

[J. Skeets]

Honestly, probably you're swerving on it. Okay.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

I think just because you're saying, like, at this point, like, any sort of couple we've ever seen, and we're like, why are you still together? What are you guys doing? Yeah. And for whatever reason, the ones that do stick together.

[Eshua Kidd]

What's. What's going to happen in the summer? I guess, really, like, it's the extension

[J. Skeets]

in October, I guess that'll decide everything.

[Eshua Kidd]

I just feel like he'll probably start a season as a buck, and then we'll get to do this again for at least a little bit now. I don't know. Maybe they talk themselves into, like, maybe they get rid of Doc in the summer.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

Or he retires, whatever. Like, there's been rumbles about that, that he just goes away. And then they talk themselves into maybe we can retool, which, I don't know. Cause even coming in this year, they got Miles Turner. They were like, okay, like, let's. We're going to retool a little bit around you, Giannis. You can't tell what's going to happen because it's been such a mess. But I think. Yeah. Put it on record. I think he's going to play at least a little bit as a book.

[J. Skeets]

I think what we Saw from this season alone, that's malpractice to that organization. Honestly, it's a cloud. It's obviously a cloud that hangs over the entire team.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

And they're not good. Sorry. They're not good. When Giannis was even playing, they're not that good in the Eastern Conference. So I think I'm more along the lines that he is dealt here and moved before the start of the next season. And I bring that up before we move on because within the article, team sources said the Bucs seriously considered the Miami Heats offer, which centered on Tyler Herro, Khalil Ware, other players and multiple draft picks and pick swaps. Milwaukee contemplated moving forward with Miami on February 4th. Ownership, however, believed the best move would be to hold on to Giannis and receive better offers in the summer. And here's where we're at now. Are they going to get a better offer than that? You can have an opinion on hero, where other players pick swaps, all that. We'll find out whether a team in the postseason comes up short, falter, and they're like, wow, we can get Giannis here. Let's go all in with a better package. But I don't know if they are going to get it.

[Eshua Kidd]

That's what I was going to say, actually. Do you think, like, what do you think the consensus is on Giannis right now? Like, how do you think teams feel about him both as a player, because he has been injured a lot here recently, and the drama that has come out. Right.

[J. Skeets]

Like, you know, yeah, I. Look, if I'm a team that's, like, on the precipice, I'm making this move 99 out of 100 times, like, this is. And even the injury angle, like this. Why can't this be like, Kawhi 2.0, right? With the. With, like, the Raps, like, okay, now. Now, they bought low on Kawhi. I mean, it really wasn't a lot when they got him from the spurs, but he's still an elite player. And then he just completely carried a team to an NBA championship. Yeah. So I. I mean, do I believe Giannis? We've, like, seen the best of the best from Giannis. Like, well, maybe mvp, honest. Okay. That's in the rearview mirror. But, like, he's still. When he plays, like, he's like a top five guy.

[Eshua Kidd]

Okay.

[J. Skeets]

And around and around. More talent. Like we saw in Milwaukee when he had Middleton and Drew Holiday. He can win. So I would, you know, again, if the Knicks flame out here, the Rockets, maybe there are teams that were like, holy crap. If you could add Yanis, like, then you're a title contender, so I would do it.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, I think.

[J. Skeets]

And Miami Heat, if I'm being honest, too, like, like, like that's a. A decent offer again. I'm fascinated to see whether the Bucks will do better than that, because to me, it's going to be something like that hero where who I. Who I am high on and then more picks and more players, stuff like that. So we'll see. That's enough on Giannis, please. Sean's getting his shot back at. At the Greek Freak. Oh, the Freak Off. That was the other name.

[Eshua Kidd]

Oh, I like that too.

[J. Skeets]

It's not bad either.

[Eshua Kidd]

I like that one.

[J. Skeets]

If he goes to Atlanta, then we're definitely calling it the Free Car. All right. Shaquille o' Neal and TNT Sports are launching Dunk Man, a professional dunking league this summer. Shaq is going to serve as commissioner. Just another. Another title to add to Shaquille O' Neal's resume. The inaugural season will feature 24 athletes competing across four group stage events, with finalists competing for the title of world Dunk champion. And a $500,000 grand prize. Ain't not bad nothing. The league will use an Olympic style scoring system with a panel of judges. Okay, so are we gonna have the Russians on the panel here? Up or down on Shaq and TNT launching Dunk Man. Professional dunk league.

[Eshua Kidd]

I'm up.

[J. Skeets]

Thumbs up.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Eshua Kidd]

Because why not? Like, everybody loves to watch people dunk is always fun. And tnt, they always have some dunk competition after the season every time.

[J. Skeets]

They've basically done this before. They had the dunking The Dunk king.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

And Shaq was involved in it.

[Eshua Kidd]

Shaq, Kenny, both of them. They've done it almost for 10 years. I feel like there's been a variation on and off of Dunk King, Dunk man, whatever.

[J. Skeets]

Do you watch them?

[Eshua Kidd]

I did the first, like two, like years and years ago, and they weren't bad. They had Jordan Kilgan on in it and, you know, he's.

[J. Skeets]

He's apparently going to be on this,

[Eshua Kidd]

of course, because he's never one. It's always the same guys. It's always the same guys anyway.

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[Eshua Kidd]

You're never mad at it. It's the same guys that compete in like a creator league dunk contest or something, like on YouTube or whatever. It's always Jordan used to be Kenny Dobbs was always in one. Yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about. So, yeah, I was. I can't even Chris. Can't even think of his name right now. But you know him. Like, you just see him.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

All over your Instagram, all over your TikToks. Like. Like it's going to be the same guys. And most likely it's going to be one of those five or six guys that win this thing too, you know?

[J. Skeets]

You think so?

[Eshua Kidd]

Most likely.

[J. Skeets]

Well, you never know. With the $500,000, maybe we get some new blood.

[Eshua Kidd]

I think. I think we see some crazy dunks.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Eshua Kidd]

But also, as up as I am on this, it always is kind of crazy because this, this coming from TNT or Shaq or anybody that's involved in the NBA usually, then it just kind of makes you realize, like, there's so many better dunkers than NBA Dungeons Dunkers. And you're thinking about the dunk contest at All Star Weekend. And you're like, you just. You just kind of wish that this was during that time or something, you know, it just. You see these crazy dunks. Like, wow, that was awesome. Nobody in the NBA can do this. It's just like. That kind of makes you a little bit sad, I think.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. I think when Shaq was announcing this with the March Madness panel, when he was talking, like back with Kenny and Ernie and Chuck and like a million other guys sitting there, he brought up, or they started talking about this idea of like, the NBA used to have the best dunkers in the world.

[Eshua Kidd]

Exactly.

[J. Skeets]

True. Yes, they did. Hands down. I think most people would agree with that. But then that's changed over the last whatever decade or two where it's now professional guys, people can make a living doing this. And they may not be good enough basketball players. They're obviously not good enough to make it in the NBA.

[Eshua Kidd]

Exactly.

[J. Skeets]

For whatever reason, size, just skill, shooting, defense, all million other things, but. Which is why we start something like this, maybe. Like, who's just prove who's the best dunker. I'm in. I'm up on this. I. I want to know if this is live, these group stage events. Probably not, right? Probably not. I think that'd be pretty cool if it was like, more like to me then it's like, whoa, this really is a sport. Yes. Played live, air, live, judge live. My gut says it will be a produced thing and edited and stuff, and maybe that's fine too. But I also wonder, like, will the dunk champion, the world dunk champion, get a slot in the NBA dunk contest?

[Eshua Kidd]

They should do it.

[J. Skeets]

Cool.

[Eshua Kidd]

They would never do it, though, but they should do it. That would be fun. Yeah, but they would. It would. Because if All Star Weekend is for the fans, that's how you put on a show. You're like, hey, let me show you this. This is a pro NBA player who's not a pro dunker. And here's a pro dunker that's not a pro basketball player. Let's just see what that looks like. But I think the NBA would hate it because they'd be like, ooh, now we look even worse. Like we just had a G League guy come in and win three years in a ro. Yeah, we had a. Okay, dunk contest this year.

[J. Skeets]

Sure.

[Eshua Kidd]

Okay. But then we do that.

[J. Skeets]

Who won the dunk contest this year?

[Eshua Kidd]

What's his name? From the Heat. That's all I know. He smiled, he danced a lot, but I cannot remember his name.

[J. Skeets]

That's why I asked you. Johnson. Keldon Johnson.

[Eshua Kidd]

Kel. No, it's not Keldon Johnson.

[J. Skeets]

Not Keldon Johnson? No, not Kelton Johnson. What the hell is this person?

[Eshua Kidd]

See, there you go. You got yourself.

[J. Skeets]

It sounds like Kelden now I gotta look up. I gotta look it up. What the hell is this name? Wait, hold on. It's Kel. No, that's not Kelton Johnson.

[Eshua Kidd]

It's not Kelden Johnson.

[J. Skeets]

We'll find out here. Hold on. Somebody in the chat is probably telling us right now there's too many. Kashad. Kashad. I know. It sounded like Kelden ke. Okay, well, point. Point proven.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yep. You.

[J. Skeets]

You prove on you. And then backfired onto me.

[Eshua Kidd]

You almost had me. I was like, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

No, it's not. I know. I know. I knew it wasn't killed neither. I knew it sounded like it. So we'll see what they do here. Maybe this does numbers. TNT obviously lost a lot of, you know, lost the NBA. So it's like, stay within the basketball world and try something like this.

[Eshua Kidd]

So, yeah, they're doing it with. Was it Anthony Davis's prank show?

[J. Skeets]

You see that? Oh, yes. Didn't they just get Draymond Green? I didn't watch the clip.

[Eshua Kidd]

I've only seen that clip.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Eshua Kidd]

And it was okay.

[J. Skeets]

Was it like.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, it was. It's okay.

[J. Skeets]

Okay. I don't know.

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[J. Skeets]

Next one. Oh, this one's perfect for Ash because he's a, he's a shoe guy. He's a sneaker head. Since parting ways with Under Armour last November, Steph Curry has leaned into being a sneaker free agent. They basically have called him sporting new shoes before and during games from Kobe 11s to Jordan's flu game shoes. I mean, every band, every brand imaginable. He's like teasing us though. What could be the next move? Like, was he going to sign with Nike? He's going to go with one of these brands. Well now this fun idea with showing off these shoes met a great cause because he's going to auction off his sneaker free agency collection, all of them signed, which is pretty cool. That is cool. And 100% of the proceeds are going to go to his Eat Learn Play foundation that benefit kids in Oakland. So up or down on STEPH auctioning off set 70 plus pairs of sneakers for charity.

[Eshua Kidd]

Super up. Yeah. This is just really cool in general. Like, I'm glad that he can give back. It's always good to see stuff like that. Everybody loves Steph Curry. He's a great guy, you know, but the shoe watch was one of the best subplots for the season. Like while he was playing, even, even for me, like on my side of things, as soon as, like every day, every day I'm looking at that, I'm pitching stories to, to my bosses. I'm like, hey, can we do something on Steph Curry's shoes? Like, I gotta do something on Steph Curry shoes. So did you end up doing it? Yeah, I did a little something.

[J. Skeets]

It Turned out okay.

[Eshua Kidd]

I did something with Jason Jones.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. I thought. I remember seeing something.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was just really cool just to see like, hey, what's he coming in here with today? And he's. He's showing off basically three pairs every night because he's. He's coming in pre game with one. He's warming up in one. He's playing in one. And it was just nice to see like, who's he paying homage to today, you know, playing against clay. He's wearing like clay shoes. He's worn Kyrie's shoes. He's worn LeBron. He's wearing cool. Yeah. Ants. And then Anthony Edwards talked about how cool it was to see Steph Curry in his shoes. So it's just a really cool thing all season long. Really want to see who he signs with. I would personally like to see him go back to Nike because it's be really nice. They make really good shoes. Like Sabrina's are good right now. Kobe's have been back with the Protros and stuff like that. So to have Steph back in a Steph Curry one officially after they botched his. His meeting way back in the day, that allowed him to go to Under Armour. Be nice to see him come back to Nike.

[J. Skeets]

Have you fired up the Sotheby's sort of auction here and looked at the shoes yet? Like, do you have a favorite? Is my question from all that he's worn here in this, in this sort of sneaker.

[Eshua Kidd]

I haven't looked at every single thing that he's worn, but if I'm trying to think off the top of my head, like he definitely had a pair of Kobe's.

[J. Skeets]

Like those yellow ones.

[Eshua Kidd]

Like that's the one actually I was thinking about. Yeah, that's. That's the one that sticks out to me the most.

[J. Skeets]

I think those are pretty rare too,

[Eshua Kidd]

if I remember correctly. So. But I was kind of here for any time he was wearing some Kobe's. It's just like, like, I don't know why it fit to me.

[J. Skeets]

I sort of agree they look good,

[Eshua Kidd]

you know, so they didn't look as

[J. Skeets]

good when he was wearing the Shack Gnosis in the one time. The big Shack ones.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah. But I guess, I guess it'd probably be a pair of Kobe's.

[J. Skeets]

Okay. Yeah, well, thumbs up or thumbs down on that. And it is pretty fun to go see all the shoes he wore. They did like a video on this and I know they took photos and stuff. I mean, how much money are they gonna Raise here. Like, these are. They're all signed. That's the other part.

[Eshua Kidd]

Exactly.

[J. Skeets]

That's pretty cool. I didn't even think about that part. I was like, oh, that's cool. He wore them, you know, whatever. But there's video of him signing everyone. He was like, actually, when he was signing the Jordans, he's like, wow, I've never signed. Never signed Jordans before. So that's pretty neat. All right, final one here. Sticking with shoes, NBA referee Carl Lane was spotted wearing Shea Gildas Alexander's signature Converse Shea 001s. I don't know how you actually pronounce that. 001s ones sneakers during a recent NBA game. So the sighting of the black player exclusive shoes caused a little social media buzz, leading to playful trolling from Adidas regarding the partnership. They were sharing screen grabs of that Ant commercial where they made sort of fun of all the other MVP candidates. You remember that? Yeah. One of them was like Shay's favorite accessory, the video game. Shay was like a whistle, this idea. He gets to the line and all that. So up or down, though, on this referee Carl Lane wearing Shay's sneakers, are you like. I mean, a thumbs up to me is like, what's the big deal? Thumbs down is like, you shouldn't be doing this.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, I'm thumbs up just because, like, what is a big deal? But also it got me really thinking, what. What are refs wearing? That's what I really want to know. Like, I did a bit of a

[J. Skeets]

deep dive on that.

[Eshua Kidd]

Okay.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, like, enlightenment. From what I could tell in reading articles, it did say that referees are forbidden from entering into any contract that compensates them for their footwear, so.

[Eshua Kidd]

Interesting.

[J. Skeets]

I assume Carl Lane purchased these.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

On his own dime. And it wasn't commerce or Shay or something like that.

[Eshua Kidd]

Hey, man.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

I don't give you these calls tonight if you give me a pair of

[J. Skeets]

your sneakers, but they must wear black shoes that have the brand name, logo or trademark blacked out or removed.

[Eshua Kidd]

Interesting.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

So they can't even. They can't even endorse it at all. Like, you can't wear a pair of

[J. Skeets]

Nikes unless this has changed. This is what I was reading about. I know. You know, Gucci ref. Yeah. This guy, he had a video. He wears a lot of Nike Air Max 360s.

[Eshua Kidd]

Okay.

[J. Skeets]

Because he just thinks they're comfortable. And I think he's a Nike guy and he likes them. He said a lot of other referees wear more running shoes like Brooks or New Balances or Something.

[Eshua Kidd]

That's what I would think.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah. But the. The struggle is trying to find like the all black version of a shoe, I guess is what they were saying.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Which is why maybe Carlane went with the Shays here.

[Eshua Kidd]

That's super interesting. I was thinking, like, over my lifetime, I remember being in high school, like, all the refs had the. You remember the zigzags, like the bounce. You know what I'm talking about?

[J. Skeets]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

Like, every ref in Georgia was wearing those zigzag shoes. They're like super bouncy. So I don't know. I was. I was very curious. Like NBA guys. What.

[J. Skeets]

What.

[Eshua Kidd]

What would they be wearing? You see them running in some Kobe's or something like that.

[J. Skeets]

Are you a fan of these Shays, the Converse kicks? I mean, he's got all the different colorways now. There's like, got to be five or six. Look at the. The, like, they're pretty funny looking. I've never tried them on, so I am curious how comfortable they are. I saw people in comments saying, though, like, there's no re. There's a reason why he's wearing them. They're very comfortable shoes.

[Eshua Kidd]

I've not seen anybody wear these, like, pooping.

[J. Skeets]

Me too.

[Eshua Kidd]

I don't know how I feel about them. The one that came to mind, that's why I had to look them up here, because I was just thinking about the brown ones. That's the one that's always in my head. They're okay.

[J. Skeets]

I mean, the black ones look like a referee shoe.

[Eshua Kidd]

They do. They look like.

[J. Skeets]

I'm looking at them right now.

[Eshua Kidd]

See, I feel like the insult would be they look like Skechers, but now Skechers has NBA shoes. So, like, you know, we got guys signed to Sketchers now. This is what a crazy world we live in. But yeah, man, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think I would wear them. They don't. They're not.

[J. Skeets]

They're not.

[Eshua Kidd]

They're not talking to me. You know what I'm saying?

[J. Skeets]

I also have no issue with this because I think it gets overlooked. He wasn't wearing these in a Thunder game. And even then, I don't really care. I don't think this because he's wearing his shoes that he's like, gonna give him a Kinder whistle. This was. This was the Mavericks Lakers game.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

And then somebody saw it and they're like, oh, he's wearing shades. Oh, my God. And then it became a mini controversy here.

[Eshua Kidd]

Because like, you gonna say something if he was running into some Jordans, like, no.

[J. Skeets]

Right.

[Eshua Kidd]

I mean, I know Jordan's not playing, but they're just shoes. They're literally just shoes. I don't know why anybody would have an issue with this.

[J. Skeets]

I want to see like Gucci Raph or one of these notable refs do their own Steph Curry free agency sneaker collection every.

[Eshua Kidd]

Every playoff game.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

Swap them around. Or even each quarter you got on a different.

[J. Skeets]

Here we go. Gucci ref says he has. He goes through a new pair of shoes every 20 to 25 games. He said, Really? A referee runs about five miles a game. An NBA game.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess you're right.

[J. Skeets]

A lot of running. So, you know, wear and tear on those. I guess you wouldn't think that they

[Eshua Kidd]

would wear down so fast.

[J. Skeets]

I wouldn't think so either.

[Eshua Kidd]

I would think they would last for the season. Like, I know they're just kind of running up and down, but they're not like cutting. Like, the guys are really like, you

[J. Skeets]

know, like stop and go, though. No, they're not like, doing like, shame.

[Eshua Kidd]

Exactly. You know, like, you see, you see the NBA guys there, Their whole ankle is like turning over in their shoe. Like, that's not happening with them.

[J. Skeets]

No, you're right. You're right.

[Eshua Kidd]

And they're. And they're on a court like, like you run. You're running outside. Like, you probably burn through shoes because outside.

[J. Skeets]

Outside the soul goes.

[Eshua Kidd]

Exactly. But on a, on an NBA court, it's always clean.

[J. Skeets]

It's true.

[Eshua Kidd]

Like, I don't know. I can't believe 25 games is kind of crazy.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, that's what they said. Or the clip I saw. All right, well, let's hear what everybody thinks. Fun up, down questions there. Up or down on those four. Let us know your thoughts on Giannis and on the dunk man league. I guess it is. And then these two shoe related ones. Steph with his sneaker free agency collection and. And referees wearing player shoes. Would it have mattered if Shea was playing? Would have that have changed your opinion? And he had like 18 free throws. No. Okay. Carl Lane. You respect Carl Lane. I like saying this guy's name, Carl Lane. I'm an NBA referee.

[Eshua Kidd]

Sound like he should be a comic book character. Maybe we should have like. Yeah, a referee. Carl Lane. That's the new Marvel Company.

[J. Skeets]

That's. Maybe that was Lois's. I was gonna say husband.

[Eshua Kidd]

There you go.

[J. Skeets]

Superman took from. Took Lois from Carl. Now he's pissed off he became a referee. To get his revenge. We're writing the story right now. There you go. Of the night. Sponsored by No1. Now. Now, I say that, but we're missing my man Tasmelis money. Melis here usually helps keep track of, like, who's coming through with sponsorships, who's not, who's paid, who hasn't. So for all I know, our inbox is full of people wanting to sponsor Roboy, but I'm not looking at it. I'll leave it for Tas, and we'll get to them when he gets back. Tas returns tomorrow, but. Whoa. Boy of the night. It's going to Pelicans rookie Jeremiah fierce. Career high 40 points as the Pelicans outscore the Jazz 156. 137. He shot 17 of 29 from the field, 5 of 5 from the free throw line, 6 assists, 5 boards, 3 steals. What a game. Youngest guard in league history to score 40 plus in a game. What? He's 19 years old?

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah. That's crazy. Actually, I heard that this morning. Yeah, I heard that this morning.

[J. Skeets]

I think that's a Pelican's rookie record, I believe now, too, with the 40. And, yeah, I was saying there were some other guys in the running from that game. They were. Kennedy, Chandler.

[Eshua Kidd]

Who?

[J. Skeets]

Utah Jazz. Played 43 minutes off the bench, 31 points, 8 assists, 7 rebounds for Kennedy. What a game.

[Eshua Kidd]

This guy just coming back to league. Right, I heard that.

[J. Skeets]

I think I heard that's right. Yes, yes. I remember the name, and I remember he was around, and then I think he was gone. He must have played for the Grizzlies, right?

[Eshua Kidd]

I think he played for the Grizzlies a little bit. He's been out, and I think he's played nine games. I want to say.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, a little lower on. On the wool boy pecking order here. Jordan Pool, 34, but Jordan Hawkins had 25, 6 and 4. He shot 11 to 16. Pretty good game. So this. This Pelicans Jazz game. Wild stuff going on, all of these great box scores, but Jeremiah Fierce gets it. All right, Ash, appreciate you joining me. Great to see you. I know you've been doing some thumb war, Star wars recaps. Where. Where are we at in the Star wars saga?

[Eshua Kidd]

We got to hit Empire. We got to do Episode five. That's the next one.

[J. Skeets]

Okay, so you're. But you are going through every Star wars movie.

[Eshua Kidd]

We have done every Single1, right, J.D.

[J. Skeets]

yes, we have. We're gonna increase the frequency.

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[Eshua Kidd]

Yes.

[J. Skeets]

Yes, correct. You know, I always gotta keep track. We are doing it in chronolog. Yeah.

[Eshua Kidd]

So we have done the order they released. Well, how many have we done now? Is that six movies?

[J. Skeets]

Yes.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah. Six out of 11.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. So we're halfway.

[Eshua Kidd]

Oh, yeah. It's turned into something. We were like, yeah, this sounds like a great idea. Let's do it. And we were doing one a month, and it's like, holy cow, we're not gonna finish for a while.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. But we're gonna. We're gonna try to increase. Be, like, one every two weeks.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, we're gonna get there.

[J. Skeets]

Okay. Okay. Well, check out Thumb War. Obviously, JD And Rachel talking about a bunch of other movies, but Esch in there for the Star wars ones. It's a lot of fun. So go check that out again. Great to see you.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah, man.

[J. Skeets]

Good luck with pickleball when you're back out there on the court. Good luck with the sniffles. Good luck with hooping. How are the kids? How's the wife? How's Courtney?

[Eshua Kidd]

Everybody's doing good.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Eshua Kidd]

Everybody's doing good. Oldest and Courtney are off on the trip right now at Washington, D.C. so.

[J. Skeets]

Wow.

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

You ever been to Washington?

[Eshua Kidd]

I have.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Okay. I love. Loved it.

[Eshua Kidd]

I love.

[J. Skeets]

I only went one weekend with some buddies, and I had. We had a blast.

[Eshua Kidd]

It's. It's really. This is a great city, no matter what you're doing, I guess. But, like, if you start doing, like, all the historical stuff, like, you're just like. It's kind of cool. It is.

[J. Skeets]

You just.

[Eshua Kidd]

It's nice to learn about the history of your country.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, it's. It's awesome. I've been.

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[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

We did the. We rented bikes and just biked around ever. And it was like. Like, this is awesome. It's, like, really nice fall weather. It's great. Okay. I'm glad they're having fun. Hopefully we'll see you sooner rather than later. Join us during the playoffs. Come by. Yeah, anytime, man. And. And work's good.

[Eshua Kidd]

The athletic work is good. Okay. Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, they're still going.

[Eshua Kidd]

They. Yeah, they're still going. I guess I won't plug the athletic, but, hey, if you want to come by. Maybe I can get some more money. So, you know, go subscribe to Be. Great. Great. That'd be great.

[J. Skeets]

Okay, well, go check out Ash's work at the Athletic. We still love the Athletic. No problems there. We'll see you tomorrow, though. Tassie will be back in the classic factory, I'm sure with a great tan. This guy tans well. I was just in the Dominican Republic all week with the fam, so he'll be back here. Have a couple more shows, wrap up the regular season, and then we're into the play in next week when Trey's back as well. Until tomorrow, Clipper Bros. You heard it here first.

[Eshua Kidd]

Have a great time. Turn up.

[J. Skeets]

Love you guys.

[Eshua Kidd]

Awesome.

[J. Skeets]

Any final thoughts?

[Eshua Kidd]

Yeah. Thanks for joining us. And remember, never meet your heroes. Unless you do. And then they're awesome.

[J. Skeets]

Anyone come to mind?

[Eshua Kidd]

I'm looking at them.

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