Jokic & The MVP Ladder, Players Union Blasts Bucks, Fire The 65-Game Rule Into The Sun

Summary

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No Dunks Podcast: Jokic & The MVP Ladder, Players Union Blasts Bucks, Fire The 65-Game Rule Into The Sun

Date: March 25, 2026
Hosts: Jay Skeets, Tas Melis, Trey Kirby, JD
Presented by: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into some of the hottest issues currently swirling around the NBA: Nikola Jokic’s remarkable season and fluctuating MVP candidacy, the mounting standoff between Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Milwaukee Bucks (and the NBA players union’s intervention), and sharp critiques of the controversial 65-game rule for awards eligibility. The crew breaks down critical games, analyzes award races, debates policy changes, and fields off-beat questions from listeners with their trademark humor and insight.

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Key Discussions & Segments

Nuggets vs. Suns Recap & Jokic’s Incredible Season

[06:52] Main Game Breakdowns

• The episode opens with discussion of Nikola Jokic’s game-winning shot against the Suns—his signature “floater push shot” with 11 seconds to go ("He hit a 12 foot jumper...that was the game winner" – Skeets, 07:32).
• Devin Booker’s missed last-second three is noted, with props given to Bruce Brown’s defense.

[07:54] Nuggets Bench Shine

• The hosts praise the Nuggets’ performance during Jokic’s bench minutes, a traditional weak spot. Denver’s bench, led by Tim Hardaway Jr., Spencer Jones, and Bruce Brown, won minutes without Jokic—crucial for their playoff potential ("They won those minutes by seven...especially in that second quarter" – Trey, 09:00).

[10:13] Jokic the Floor General

• Deep dive into Jokic’s passing brilliance: "17 assists, only two turnovers" (Tas, 11:22), and his ability to survey defenses, highlighted by a rifled corner-pass described by Derek Fisher.

[11:22] Haka-Noso Debate

• Denver tried the “Haka-Noso” (intentional fouling of Suns’ Oso Ighodaro). Tas and Trey question the logic: “It was a little perplexing...being in the bonus was a problem…just play basketball.” (Tas, 12:40)

[12:38] MVP Case & Ladder

• Discussion segues to Jokic’s MVP standing and highlights a jaw-dropping stat: he could become the first player to ever lead the league in both rebounds and assists per game, while averaging 28 efficient points. Despite this, he might not finish top 2 or 3 in MVP voting due to stiff competition and missed games.
  • "He might not finish in the top two or three for MVP. Mind-blowing." (Skeets quoting NBA.com’s John Schuhmann, 13:38)
  • The hosts debate whether Jokic will end up behind Shea (SGA), Wemby, and Luka, citing defensive impact and games missed.

[15:09] MVP Ballot Predictions

• Early top five ballots: SGA, Wemby, Jokic, Luka, with Jokic’s missed games a sticking point.

[17:00] Fun Moment

• Devin Booker’s “Gus Macker” player-exclusive sneakers get a nostalgic Midwestern shoutout from Skeets and Tas.

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Around the League – Big Games & Player Spotlights

Cavs vs. Magic: A Shootout with Warnings

[17:32]

• Donovan Mitchell pours in 42; the Cavs beat the Magic 136-131 to extend their win streak to four.
• Despite high scoring, neither coach was pleased: "We can’t play like this come playoff time...we’ll get cooked." (Skeets, 20:00)
• Tas laments the Magic abandoning their calling card: "They have to play defense because they just don’t have the offensive talent to keep up…” (Tas, 19:16)
• Sam Merrill earns props from Mitchell ("He’s like Giannis, man, the way this guy attacks" – 23:52).

Knicks Quietly Surging

[30:12]

• Jalen Brunson drops 32 as the Knicks beat the Pelicans for their seventh straight win.
• Tas notes: "15 points in the fourth quarter...Brunson time. He just took over." ([31:21])
• Winning streak overshadowed by soft competition, but the Knicks look dangerous heading to the postseason.

Charlotte Hornets’ Three-Point Barrage

[32:17]

• Hornets set a franchise record with 26 threes in a blowout over the Kings.
• Con Knipple moves up franchise all-time lists ("He moved into second place in franchise history for threes made in a season with 247" – Skeets, 32:31).
• Implications for the Eastern Conference play-in and a fun trivia segment on Hornets’ all-time three-point leaders ([35:35]).

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Hot Topics: Players Union vs. Bucks (Giannis Standoff)

[39:33] NBA Players Association Voices Outrage

• The NBPA releases a statement blasting the Bucks for forcing Giannis to sit out (despite being healthy and wanting to play), framing it as a “tanking” issue:
  • "Fans, broadcast partners and the integrity of the game itself will continue to suffer as long as ownership goes unchecked." (NBPA, read by Skeets, 40:17)
• The hosts argue this isn’t traditional tanking, but rather Milwaukee protecting trade or extension leverage for Giannis (Tas: “It’s more like, ‘We want Giannis healthy to maximize value—whether that’s for us, or in a trade.’” 43:37).

[44:44] Should Giannis Play?

• Trey: "I think he should. He wants to play, it’s for him and the fans...but the Bucks gotta be worried."
• Skeets wonders if Bucks-Giannis relationship has reached a point where even this becomes a source of mutual resentment: "Everything feels like an insult both ways." (Tas, 47:59)
• They speculate if Giannis' repeated injuries have hurt his trade value, and whether he’ll suit up again for Milwaukee this season.

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Expansion News: Seattle & Vegas

[50:07] BREAKING – NBA Expansion Moves

• Shams Charania reports (read live): "NBA's Board of Governors has approved bids for expansion teams exclusively in Las Vegas and Seattle...bidding process expected to generate offers in the $7-10 billion range per team." (Tas, 50:07)
• Lively debate: Should NBA expand? Is there enough talent? Trey says yes, points to parity and deep player pool. Tas is skeptical about the need, but expects the teams will be competitive.

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Listener Mailbag – "Beach Steppin’"

1. Does a Record-Breaking Game Make Bam Adebayo a Hall-of-Famer?

[56:52]

• Listener asks if Bam’s hypothetical 83-point game would “single-handedly” vault him to the Hall.
• Consensus: "One game doesn’t get you in." (Trey, 57:13). Historical records don’t guarantee enshrinement (Oakley, Skiles, etc.)
• Fun comparison: Skeets argues Vince Carter’s dunk contest win is probably the closest “single moment” that put a borderline guy over the top.

2. Naming Wemby’s Defensive “Nope” Stat

[66:59]

• Henry suggests tracking times players give up shots with Wemby lurking—suggests names like "Nope," "Abort," "Oh Hell No."
• Hosts love “Nope”: "Wemby had six nopes in the game last night." (Skeets, 68:16)
• “Altar Boy” is floated as a nickname (Trey) but doesn’t stick.

3. If The Thunder Had To Play In Socks, How Many Games Would They Win?

[70:33]

• Absurdist fun: Tas guesses 13 wins vs. tankers, Trey says maybe one, Skeets says zero.

4. Naming the Team of Award-Snubbed Players

[75:07]

• With the 65-game rule, many star players are ineligible for awards—what to call their “all-snubbed” team?
  • Suggestions: "Almost Only Counts in Horseshoes and Hand Grenades" (Skeets, 76:21), "PPP All-Stars" (Tas), "Final Forfeits" (Trey).

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65-Game Rule: Fire It Into The Sun?

[77:06] Players Union: Reform or Scrap the Rule

• NBPA wants reform/abolishment of the 65-game eligibility rule—citing Cade Cunningham’s situation.
  • "Since its implementation, far too many deserving players have been unfairly disqualified from end of season honors by this arbitrary and overly rigid quota." (statement, 77:51)
• There’s a carve-out for season-ending injuries at 62 games, but Cade’s injury timing makes even that unfair.
• Hosts agree: let the media weigh impact, not an arbitrary number (“…media was doing an okay job determining between a guy that plays 40 games and 65, and the weight and impact in award races.” – Skeets, 80:00).
• Alternatives: scrap, lower to 58-60 games, or add injury exceptions.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Jokic’s MVP case:
  "A guy is going to be the first player ever to lead the league in both rebounds and assists per game...He might not finish in the top two or three for MVP. Mind-blowing." – Jay Skeets quoting John Schuhmann, [13:38]

• On 'Nope' as Wemby's deterrence stat:
  "Wemby had six nopes in the game last night. I like it. Don’t overthink it." – Jay Skeets, [68:16]

• On the Bucks benching Giannis:
  “They are keeping our guy out and they shouldn’t be doing that because he’s healthy and he wants to play” – Tas Melis, [42:46]

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Lightning Round Listener Questions

• Petty NBA grudges and irrational hates ([90:09])

  • Multiple funny stories, including JD holding a champagne grudge against Isaiah Thomas for not delivering a promised bottle ("I have the same grudge against Isaiah Thomas for a completely different reason," – JD, [93:21]), and Skeets’ memorable shade for Dan Le Batard.

• Jigsaw Puzzle Nationals?

  • Shoutout to listener Joey’s wife’s team “Puzzle Block Party” competing in Atlanta ([103:57]).

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Notable Timestamps

• [06:52] — Jokic’s game-winner & Suns/Nuggets recap
• [13:38] — Jokic’s historic potential MVP snub
• [17:32] — Cavs/Magic shootout & coaches not happy
• [30:12] — Knicks streak, Brunson praise
• [32:17] — Hornets’ 3-point record, franchise trivia
• [39:33] — NBPA blasts Bucks’ handling of Giannis
• [50:07] — Expansion breaking news: Seattle & Vegas
• [77:06] — Players association on 65-game rule (Cade Cunningham focus)
• [90:09] — Greatest NBA/grudge stories from the hosts

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Tone & Style

The episode is energetic, irreverent, and offbeat—balancing stats-heavy hoops talk with deeply silly listener segments, behind-the-scenes stories, and lots of honest, bantering debate. The hosts are passionate, opinionated, and plugged-in, comfortable mixing Xs & Os with pop culture and personal anecdotes.

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Summary

• Nikola Jokic’s historic production is being oddly undervalued in the MVP race, due to missed games and defensive shortcomings compared to peers like SGA, Wemby, and Luka.
• NBPA is intervening in the Giannis-Bucks standoff, publicly criticizing Milwaukee's alleged “tanking” via benching the star, but hosts say it’s really about protecting value for trade or extension.
• The 65-game awards rule, introduced to curb resting, is now drawing union ire as injured stars like Cade Cunningham are unfairly excluded from recognition; change likely coming.
• NBA expansion to Seattle & Vegas is officially in motion.
• Listener questions bring out the show’s classic goofy side, with answers on everything from “NOPEs” (Wemby’s shot deterrence) to playing in socks, to long-held NBA staff grudges.

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A jam-packed, entertaining pod that covers the momentous and trivial of today’s league in true No Dunks style.

Transcript

[Jay Skeets]

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[Tas Melis]

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Tas Melis]

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

See, I wouldn't call that a baseball hat. I mean, yeah, you know, it's okay.

[Tas Melis]

I hear cap a cap for sure.

[Trey Kirby]

But anyway, I wore mine backwards last week, so now I'm wearing it forwards. Now it's like I have two outfits. You know what I mean?

[Jay Skeets]

That's right.

[Tas Melis]

Try sideways. That's crazy. You don't see that as much anymore.

[Jay Skeets]

No.

[Tas Melis]

That was popular though, for a minute there in the 90s.

[Trey Kirby]

Y. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Base well is back tonight though, right? Yeah. On Netflix, we just found out. Giants, Yankees on Netflix.

[Tas Melis]

Can you rate every game? You're like, oh, good game. One. Thumbs up two. I loved this game.

[Jay Skeets]

I can't believe it. March 25th and basically back. So only one game tonight and then basically Thursday, Friday is when you get all the MLB teams playing dongers.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Excited to see these Ding Dongs.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it'd be great. On today's show, which is a basketball podcast, we're going to address what the Players association had to say about Giannis and the Bucks. They had other things to say about the 65 game threshold too. We'll get to that when we hit the beach to answer some of your NBA questions. But we had some games last night. Small schedule, but some good ones. And let's start with Jokic knocking down the late bucket to send the Nuggets over the Suns. 1:25, 1:23. He hit. What do you want to call it? A 12 foot jumper? His little patent sort of little floater push shot with about 11 seconds to go. And that was the game winner. Devin Booker got a good look.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

At a three pointer on the wing. Came up short.

[Trey Kirby]

Nuggets win book was mad at himself. He felt like he had an open look. Although Bruce Brown great effort defensively made him put it down and and pump. So that kind of threw him off the Jokic over Oso Iguidaro not so sexy. Oso could have gotten a close the little space. Do you still like Oso Iguidaro? I know he had this.

[Tas Melis]

I do. I got thoughts on Oso hacking. Oso played a big part in this. Yeah, I still like it. But he is a sl. He's slim pickings compared to a big boy like Nicola Jokic. But you know, beautiful two man game from Murray and Jokic. I thought Murray was great down the stretch. He's really good at shaking off like a terrible night. I thought he was pretty bad through the first three quarters. But then in the fourth quarter, 11 points on seven shots, added three assists including that one to Jokic to win

[Jay Skeets]

the game at the end. There's just a lot of patience too on that final play because it's Murray. He actually has Goodwin on him. So they say, all right, Cam, you come on up, bring up Jalen Green. We'll make that switch happen. That was pretty easy. So suddenly Jalen Green is now on Jamal Murray as Cam Johnson scurries back to the corner with Goodwin now and then into your classic one, two, Murray Jokic, pick and roll. Fine Jokic. And that was the easy shot there. But I like, just like, like that. The patience they showed and even Adelman was like before Jokic came over to set the pig. He's like, make sure you like you said it like don't rush, don't get, you know, a cheap offensive foul or something like that. So they got what they wanted and that's what they do. These two.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Great final minute for those two. Murray hitting the one before that. Yeah, it would have been nice for a couple extra inches on Oso like Mark Williams out there who they're where they're missing right now. Hopefully he comes back. He's been obviously good this season. But what I was impressed with on the Denver side, yeah, they finished it. But what was more important to me was when Jokic went to the bench. That's. Those are the minutes we all question are this. Is this team going to be good enough? They won those minutes. They won them by seven. Especially in that second quarter when he went down for half a quarter. They won it by five. He left the game. They're down seven when he came back. They're up two or down two. Excuse me. So they win those minutes. Tim Hardaway again, having an incredible season. 18 points in this one. Spencer Jones, three big offensive boards, the cuts, getting after it. Bruce Brown, I mentioned him earlier, had a great finish with his left hand in the fourth quarter. That was a really sweet finish. Nine minutes for him. Julian Strother, seven points in eight minutes. They didn't even have Peyton Watson in this game. So the Jokic minutes, really, really important. It was great to see the Suns make it close at the end because the Nuggets had this thing 117, 109, 319 left, but they kept push. The Suns keep pushing every single game. There is no doubt. It also helps that they only had three turnovers, but it was good that it went to the end.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I like a close game as well. And I'm glad you mentioned Spencer Jones. I think he's really unlocked small ball lineups for the Nuggets. They basically have stopped playing Jonas Valencunas at this point. Aaron Gordon just came back from injury, so they're trying to find a way to like preserve his minutes and keep him fresh for the playoffs. So they, they're like, Spencer Jones, hey, can you be a small ball five? Apparently he can. The rebounding was big last night, only scored four points. But like we talked about yesterday, he has guarded some perimeter guys and last night he's basically playing the five for him. Like Taz said, plus seven in those minutes where he was the small ball dude just makes them quick as a team. And that was working for the Nuggets, I thought. Also a really good passing game for Jokic. We've talked a lot about how he's been kind of turnover prone since coming back from injury. He has five or more turnovers in a game 20 times this season. Eight of those have come in 18 games post All Star, but last night, 17 assists, only two turnovers. I love that little segment when Derek Fisher was explaining how he was mapping the floor and you can tell he had done film work because he's just waiting for Booker to take like one step too far. He rifles it to the corner for an open three. He was magnificent.

[Jay Skeets]

You brought up that the Nuggets deployed the haka noso.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that was dumb. They shouldn't have done that.

[Jay Skeets]

It was a little weird though. He's not a great free throw shooter though. He did hit that pair sort of late there, I guess. He finished 3 of 7 on the night. He's shooting 47% at the line.

[Tas Melis]

Yes, it's bad.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, he's 48 out of 103 attempts. But it was a little perplexing.

[Tas Melis]

It was not a good move. Denver was up by 44 when they started this with five minutes left. He missed his first two, made one of two the next time, made two of two the next time. Denver had a five point lead when it got to two minutes and you got to stop. So technically it worked. They added to their lead, but now Phoenix is in the bonus. Booker took four free throws in the last two minutes. Royce o' Neill took a couple of free throws in the last two minutes. And part of the reason the Nuggets were having good offensive possessions was being able to run after rebounds. So instead they're just slowing the game down. Which you know, isn't bad because it gives Jokic and Murray a chance to work on stuff. But I thought that it kind of helped Phoenix get into a little bit of a rhythm and then being in the bonus was a problem for them because Booker started drawing his fouls. O' Neill got to the line. Like I said, I thought that was just a weird move to be up and start fouling the guy. Just play basketball.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, agreed. I didn't really get it. Just let your team go. I wonder if Jokic is talking to David Adelman after the game about that. What's up, coach?

[Tas Melis]

What's up, coach?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it was strange, possibly. So the Nuggets have won six of their last eight games and they're one and a half back from the Lakers for the number three spot in the West. So it's not wrapped up obviously for LA yet. They're right there and that's a big one as we've talked about time and time again, to maybe get into that side of the bracket in the Western Conference, maybe avoid four or five where yeah, even if you win, you're going on to take on okc. Maybe you want to see them later on, but that's where they're at. Shu posted this on Blue sky yesterday. I want to get your opinion talking about Jokic and is standing in the MVP race, the MVP ladder, the MVP table as we call it. Shoes said this sort of mind blowing quote. A guy is going to be the first player ever to lead the league in both rebounds and assists per game. He's also averaging a remarkably efficient 28 points and his team is the number one offense in the league. He might not finish in the top two or three for MVP. Again, that's our guy [e-mail] making the point. Like Jokic, despite these incredible numbers, these things that have never been done before. His team obviously still good. It's possible he is behind three guys in Shea, Wemby and Luka. At the end of it all when we get to votes, sort of mind blowing.

[Trey Kirby]

I disagree.

[Jay Skeets]

You don't think he will be down to four? Okay, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Third. It's impossible. Always sucks for him. But it goes back to the old Victor Wembanyama argument. Defense is half the game. And that's where Jokic as we know it isn't the guy, but he's also played, you know, fewer games than. Than Shea. I think that plays a factor. And where they are in the standings, that plays a big factor. But it is is surprising. The guy is an offensive wizard. There's no doubt about that. You can see this team, they just know that offensively we're gonna win. We can do that. And so this team looks like a playoff team. Like it's ready to go. Like, they have that, that unit with Spencer Jones playing the backup center. They just have. It's all clicking. Like, we'll sit. Jonas. We know what to do. Again, Peyton Watson wasn't even in this game. So the Jokic minutes, they feel like they can win.

[Jay Skeets]

Do we get one more Bontemps MVP straw poll before the end of the season? I can't remember, but I hope we do because I'm actually fascinated what the informal vote says and where Yokage is. TK and let's say Bontemp sends you the text next week. Trey, one more time, buddy. Give me your top five in order. How would TKB responding to Bon Temps?

[Tas Melis]

Okay, I'm probably going SGA WEMBY as my 1 and 2.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

Still.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

I mean, the defense is 50% of the game. I don't believe it's true, but for Wemby, it's maybe more than 50% of the game because of the way he plays. Jokic is averaging 28 points and a triple double. And like you're saying he's first in Basketball Reference MVP Tracker. They're like, look at the numbers he's putting up. The team is obviously better when he plays, so that helps his advanced stats as well. And there's a good chance he's going to end up fourth because of the four realistic MVP candidates, Wemby, Jokic, Luka and Shay. Jokic is third in minutes. You know, Wemby is low in the minutes as well. He plays under 30 minutes per game, which is pretty crazy. Like, just imagine when this guy actually starts playing, like even in the playoffs,

[Jay Skeets]

like 40 minute games.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that's exciting to think about. But Jokic did miss that chunk of time with an injury during the middle of the season. Came back probably too early so he could stay in the awards mix and at least make all NBA first team. The Nuggets struggled a little bit during that time playing 500 basketball for I don't know, a month and a half or something like that. But you know, we saw Shakel just Alexander hit basically two game winners in a game against the Nuggets. Everybody's like the MVP race is over. And it has only heated up since that very moment with luka putting up 60 point games, Jokic playing the way he is, and Wemby and the spurs continuing to win.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it's, it's pretty incredible. These four guys, the best players on their teams, on the four teams that lead the Western Conference is fun too right now as it currently stands, going okc, San Antonio Lakers and then the Nuggets in fourth. Yeah, it's just wild these, these stats that people are sharing and he could finish third or fourth. Very possible. My only other note from this game. Did you see Devin Booker's Gus Macker pes, the books that he had on his player exclusives?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that's a real Midwestern boy right there.

[Jay Skeets]

My God. I know. It was like near and dear to my heart. I mean, I played in Gus Macker tournaments. It was a Canadian thing as well. But yeah, they had the little Gus Macker logo and everything.

[Tas Melis]

I bet he was never in the toilet bowl.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm going to agree with you. I'm. I'm gonna assume they either won a lot of the gusmacker tournaments they played in at their young age or at least were on the side of the bracket like you said. Yeah, the toilet bowl. Unfortunately. Few years we were in the toilet bowl side of things. Yeah, at least you had something to play for.

[Tas Melis]

You can win back. At least they'll give you a trophy.

[Jay Skeets]

That's exactly right. All right, let's keep it moving. Donovan Mitchell scored 42. Cavs beat the Magic 136. 131. High scoring game tasks. Cavs extended their winning streak to four.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, the Magic made up for their bad start the previous night. I was just a little grossed out by it because the Magic should have a better team in that first quarter when Palo Ban Caro went off and they scored 39 points as a team. He scored 16 himself. He's doing the, the one legged hop, three point form that he's got. He puts that Right leg out and does a little hop on his left leg. He shot 7 of 16 from three in the last two games. So looking good there. They put Javon Carter to the bench. Great move. Who's kicking ass off the bench. That's what he does. That three from the corner was great. You know, I said he had a great game, the game before we discussed it, but I laughed listening to that part.

[Tas Melis]

He did not have a great game. But last night he did.

[Jay Skeets]

He did.

[Tas Melis]

Last night you were seeing the future.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

That's why Jamal Moselle gets paid and I don't. He put him on on the bench and that helped out Jamal Kane. Starting Suggs out still. That sucks for them. And then the second quarter, here come the Cavs. They each took a turn. Their stars took a turn. James Harden, it's your turn, man. 12 in the second quarter. Third quarter. Don Mitchell, it's your turn, man. 16 points for him in that quarter. So this was just an offensive game.139,131. Orlando can be very happy with their 139 offensive rating, scoring 139 points per 100 possessions. You could tell, I think Donovan Mitchell was a little upset with his defense and just how they didn't come together. And so, yeah, this is a win, sure. But when we look at a playoff team, they have to get that part together because everybody could score, Period. Oh, no matter what.

[Tas Melis]

Yes. This was an easy game for the Cleveland Cavaliers. And I take the opposite view of you. I thought this was terrible for the Magic. They cannot play a game like this. They can't win a game with the scores being this high. 68 combined points for Mitchell and Hardness, the most since they've been playing together. Cleveland had eight turnovers in this game. They had 62 points in the paint. Felt the Magic 0% like the Magic. We're not bringing a physicality to this game or a defensive mindset to this game. They're 1 in 5 when an opponent scores 130 or more. This year their only win came in overtime. So regulation wise hasn't happened. They're 10 and 17 in 27 games. When the opponent scores 120 or more, they have to play defense because they just don't have the offensive talent to keep up with a team like the Cavs who are like, yeah, we'll score every time we get a chance. And that's really kind of what they did.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't think anyone was happy with this result last night because Kenny Atkinson went into the post game press conference. With one message. And it was basically, I just told the team, we can't play like this come playoff time. Like, it was fun. We scored a bunch of points, but, like, we can't play defense like this. We'll. We'll get cooked. Like, it's different in the postseason. This is what he was telling them. Like, that mentality that we're just going to outscore people. It works in regular season games. It's not going to work in the playoffs. So it's sort of funny that, you know, Magic embarrassing loss, really. And then the Cavs, even in a win, are like, this isn't all that impressive. Like, we should be playing better defensively. Sort of funny.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. As far as the Magic offense goes, at least you get it. I mean, I think. I think that was the. The positive I was saying is that they didn't play as good offensively to start a game. The game before they get down double digits and it's over. They can't make up for it offensively. But you score 39 in the first quarter, there's that hope. And, yes, it was just taking turns offensively for the Cavs. Just a great show, obviously. I mean, Donovan Mitchell scoring 42. And James Harden doing his thing with that beautiful behind the back pass right in the pocket for Max.

[Tas Melis]

Crazy, the beard bun.

[Jay Skeets]

That was nuts.

[Trey Kirby]

What a call. Great headband for Max. Drew looking good with the headband, but just in the perfect spot. Like, he didn't have to even go to his left, to his right. It's just perfect. How could he miss?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it was. Reggie was on the call, right? And he's like, streuss wasn't even there. Harden just threw it to a spot. He's like, stress will be there. And guess what? He was exactly where James Harden threw the past. Streuss looks good in the Creamsicle jerseys. He looks like a wrestler to me.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's true. It looks that pops on the screen. Like, those are great creams. The Tequila sunrise, whatever we call these things, especially when the blue of the Magic is playing against them, Looked amazing.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep, it did. It did. I know people who like. Like the. The traditional stuff, hate it with court and that combined. But for hardcores, if you're watching this on Netflix or whatever, like, wherever it is, this new look, it looks great. You know, if you're watching basketball every night, it's refreshing. Yeah. And listen, the Magic needs Suggs back. I don't care if I say Javon Carter's a good starter or whatever, they need Suggs Back defensively. I, I, I don't get it when he doesn't play. I mean, you just don't know. I think he's sick. He's injured. He just, he doesn't play.

[Tas Melis]

He's got an illness.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

He's got, he got pollen in the nose. Came and played in Atlanta and he has allergies.

[Jay Skeets]

Bad. Yeah. One of the worst pollen days ever.

[Tas Melis]

The other day, Monday, I think it's crazy right now.

[Jay Skeets]

You see the. Oh, it was brutal.

[Tas Melis]

I love pollen.

[Jay Skeets]

You love pollen?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I love it. I love it when it comes back because, you know, spring has sprung. Okay.

[Jay Skeets]

You know, it's here right now, man. Yeah, I, Our cars are covered.

[Tas Melis]

I developed allergies living in Atlanta. I never took a pill in my life.

[Jay Skeets]

Me too.

[Tas Melis]

And I'm same.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Mr. Zyrtec now. Wow. We gotta get Zertec as a popping pills. Yeah, I do. It's nice to add a new one to my organizer. Tattoo in there.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Our dog's allergic to this crap. It's the worst.

[Tas Melis]

It do be like that.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Not the Cavs. One final note on them, Sam Merrill, he's making the most of his opportunity right now with Jared Allen sidelined, which has also been way longer than I think we anticipated. He was going to miss like a couple of games and it's like a bit longer. Jared Allen's been out. But Anyway, Sam Merrill, 19 points. He scored a lot of it coming inside last night. You think of Sam Merrill, you just think, great three point shooter, but four of his five shots in the paint got to the free throw line a bunch, too. Even Donovan Mitchell was joking. Yeah. Yeah. He's like Giannis, man, the way this guy attacks. But that's something. And I saw Fear the Sword. Great Cavs blog said the Cavs are in the 99th percentile for offensive rating when Harden, Mitchell and Sam Merrill share the floor. So they're something is there offensively at least. And he's a bigger guy, too. And Harden, of course, is bigger than Garland, so it's not as easy maybe to be picked on on that end, though. They gave up a ton of points as we talked about. So something to watch with Sam Merrill fitting in nicely with those guys.

[Tas Melis]

At least he's good. They were playing basically four shooters in Mobley down the stretch, which is why, you know, the Magic, as a bigger team, was able to score a little bit inside, I thought. But yeah, Merrill is a really solid player and he, I think, becomes an option for the Cavs when it comes playoff time. And they hopefully have their two big dudes back on the court because that's where Jared Allen slots in as a starter, will be next to Mobley. And they've been going with Mobley, Wade and Allen when they can. But that means you got Max Drew coming off the bench, got Sam Merrill coming off the bench, Schroeder Ellis, a bunch of guys who can do some things. And my man, tall baby Thomas Bryant was looking good last.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, two big dunks. Oh, man, two big ones. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Four for four from the field. Celebrating like crazy. Making me laugh, of course. And I gotta say, Donovan Mitchell is one of the most underrated scorers in the game. When I'm watching last night, I'm like, this guy's the perfect Venn diagram. Of which two top 75 NBA players. One of them is easy.

[Jay Skeets]

Dwyane Wade.

[Tas Melis]

Dwayne Wade. He did the big Wade last night.

[Jay Skeets]

Of course. Yeah. And then who's the other one that he reminds you of?

[Tas Melis]

Or Paris, Current player, though not currently playing this season.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, okay. But a tops. Damian Lillard.

[Tas Melis]

That's right.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

He is like right in between Dwayne Wade and Damian Lillard because he's got the explosiveness of Wade, the ability to get downhill. But he's also a pretty solid off the dribble three point shooter and a good off ball three point shooter as well, which is where the Lillard thing comes into play for me. He got open for that floater off of a jab step and a pump fake out of the triple threat position.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that was pretty one possession game.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

The Magic were down three and that was the one that basically won them the game.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that was the dagger for Probably

[Jay Skeets]

a foul could have been called too.

[Tas Melis]

Is that Carter, I think came and like challenged him.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, sometimes it's called, sometimes it's not.

[Tas Melis]

But big shot, impressive. He's got a deep bag.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, he's one of the most underrated, honestly. One of the most underrated guys in the league. At the superstar level.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, he is.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, look, in the regular season for sure.

[Tas Melis]

That's what I was going to say. Make a conference final.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes.

[Tas Melis]

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[Jay Skeets]

I think another guy to pivot to the next game I think Jalen Brunson is sort of. He's reached that point as well. At least this season. It really barely talked about Jalen Brunson.

[Tas Melis]

That's true.

[Jay Skeets]

Goes about his business. Obviously the Knicks are one of these teams that's trying to chase down the Celtics tasks and he had 32 as they beat the Pelicans for their seventh straight victory. Also sort of was going under the radar. I don't think the Knicks have been playing anyone of note really, so they've been playing the soft part of their schedule. But Brunson took over in this one too. It was a classic Jalen Brunson game. The guy's averaging over the last four years like incredible numbers and then numbers that even go up in the playoffs. The guy's like a 30 point per game scorer in the playoffs over the last three years. Anyway, thoughts on the game at all? Brunson?

[Trey Kirby]

Nah, they took out New Orleans. Yeah, and he finished it off. They have been a super quiet seven game winning streak here as they are very aware of the standings even though Jalen Brunson won't say he is. It would help if they were able to jump Boston for that second seed because last year in the playoffs. When those two teams met, the Knicks had home court advantage. And this may not happen this year. So yeah, it's worrisome times. I think they want it, they want to get, get up there. But yeah, stealing Brunson took care of business.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. 15 points in the fourth quarter. And I thought pretty smart from Mike Brown having Mikhail Bridges bring the ball up in the fourth quarter, which just saves a little bit of energy for Jalen Brunson. Cause he had Herb Jones on him for the most part in the fourth. And he just went off nine points in the last five minutes for Brunson. Plus he had an assist. I also thought the Knicks bench was pretty solid in this one. At the end of the first quarter, kind of flipped the game to New York. They built a huge lead. Jordan Clarkson played really well.

[Jay Skeets]

That's cool.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep, yep.

[Jay Skeets]

So good win from the Knicks seventh straight. Yeah, they've beat up on some bad, bad teams here though. The Pelicans have been playing better as of late. Cause it was a fun game.

[Tas Melis]

The Pelicans were like running and gunning. That's when they looked their best, when it was a fast break game. The Pelicans were kind of like running the ball down the Knicks throats, getting dunks. They Knicks could not stop Zion getting to his left hand. It was just. That's the way he wants to go. And guess what? He's pretty strong and was finishing inside. And then once the game slowed down, it was Brunson time.

[Jay Skeets]

The only game that was a blowout last night. Hornets tied a franchise record with 26 three pointers made. Tried to set the record at the end. I think Cal Brenner missed. They didn't score.

[Trey Kirby]

Has he ever hit a three pointer in his career?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

Doubt it.

[Jay Skeets]

But they routed the Kings, 1:34 to 90 was the final score. Con Knipple hit four threes for the Hornets. He moved into second place in franchise history for threes made in a season with 247. That's what the rook is at here. 14 more to pass Kemba Walker.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he passed Jason Richardson. I was surprised by that.

[Jay Skeets]

And Kemba Walker is obviously with the, with the Hornets. He's a player enhancement coach. I guess that's what's on his business card. I enhance players.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Look, the enhancement that they've been making is that they move the ball a lot. And that's, that's a great thing for them. And it's led by Lamelo, who had plenty of threes in this game. 32 assists to their 48 baskets. So 2 3rd of their baskets were assisted. That's high for them even. Even in their their run over the last few weeks. Hopefully Lamelo leading this team can get to his first playoffs. That would be nice. I just hope that for him because he has never played in one and they don't have a guaranteed playoff spot being that they're in the play end. They're two games back of the six seed and there's two teams in between them. So they did their job last night, moving the ball very, very well. And they covered that spread that we were wondering. 17 point spread. That's big. Yeah, they destroyed it.

[Tas Melis]

They covered it almost three times. That's amazing. Their sixth and net rating for the entire season, sixth in point differential. They've got the fourth most 20 win 20 point wins this season behind the Thunder, the Knicks and the Celtics who are all title contenders. And yet the Hornets just moved into ninth place like you're saying, which is good because at least it gives them a home playing game. Their only game against any of the other six through 10 seeds is against Philadelphia on Saturday. That's kind of a must win. I feel like for the Hornets they at least need to get into the 78 matchup so they get two chances at making the playoffs. Everybody wants to see them. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they get to six like you're saying two games there and then it's what like two and a half to the five seed.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Still in reach.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

There's too many teams there. That's the worst.

[Jay Skeets]

We could have a six way tie. Did you see this between five and like ten I guess. And if it happens, the Hornets would be the fifth seed in these. All of the tiebreaker situations.

[Tas Melis]

Great.

[Jay Skeets]

Apparently if it was a literally a tie between all of those teams from 5 through 10 which would be hilarious. That's maximum chaos is what we're hoping for here.

[Tas Melis]

Matt Moore is going to be working overtime.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. Yep.

[Tas Melis]

But yeah, I think the Hornets have the toughest remaining schedule of any of these teams that are gunning for the fifth through whatever seeds, five and six in particular. But that includes games. The last four games they have this season are against the Timberwolves, the Celtics, the Pistons and the Knicks. That last week of the season. Timberwolves will still be playing I believe for seating. I think the Celtics and Knicks might as well though it might be locked in by the time last game of the season, the Pistons probably not. So who knows how tough those games are actually going to be. But it'll be fun to watch and I hope at the very least they're in the top half of the play in bracket.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Lamelo Ball. To go back to him, I got a trivia question for you guys. He moved into second place for most made threes in Hornets history, which is quite an accomplishment for a guy that's only in his sixth season. Is Lamello ball? Yeah. He hasn't even played 300 games. I don't think so. Already second in Hornets history. Kemba Walker is number one. Can you guys tell me the rest of the guys 3 through 10 on the Hornets all time list for three pointers made? Chuck them out.

[Trey Kirby]

Jason Richardson, right? No, no. Yeah. How he. How could he be part of it? I guess there was a con can. That was a con canipple stat that he.

[Jay Skeets]

Del Curry is third. That's who LaMelo passed.

[Tas Melis]

Glen Rice eighth, 508. Who else is a good three point shooter? He was there for a long time. So maybe he squeaks in at number 10. Give me a. I just had his name in my head. Gerald Henderson.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, no, no. We got two current players, by the way.

[Tas Melis]

Two current players.

[Jay Skeets]

Two more current players on the Hornets. Sorry. On the Hornets.

[Tas Melis]

Brandon Miller.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, he's tenth. Wow. He's tenth.

[Tas Melis]

He's been there for like five seconds.

[Jay Skeets]

Fourth. A guy we never talk about because we don't really like to talk about.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The dunk man.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Miles bridges is fourth. Okay, now it's a little tough. Five. He's six. He's fourth. Wow.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, he's been there a while.

[Jay Skeets]

He's at 865 threes. Five, six, seven and nine. And these are. No, we got a lot of current players though, on different teams.

[Tas Melis]

A lot of current players.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. One guy that unfortunately made a lot of news this year for all the wrong reasons.

[Tas Melis]

Made a lot of news for all.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Involved in a scandal.

[Tas Melis]

Terry. Scary Terry. Yeah, he was. He was a big shot taker.

[Trey Kirby]

Is there a Rex Chapman on there?

[Jay Skeets]

Nope.

[Tas Melis]

Not bad.

[Jay Skeets]

No. You only have one guy that no longer plays. He was a very high draft pick, this guy. Very high. Number two. I think he went over to. Yeah, he went second overall.

[Tas Melis]

Not mkg.

[Jay Skeets]

Nope. No, it was a number two pick,

[Tas Melis]

but I don't think he was making them three.

[Jay Skeets]

No, this guy was drafted, I'll tell you, by the Hawks.

[Tas Melis]

Stacey Ogman.

[Trey Kirby]

No, no.

[Tas Melis]

Marvin. Marv Dog Williams.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Marv Dog himself.

[Tas Melis]

That's when I learned you should never draft a sixth man from a college team in the top five. Why would you possibly think that works?

[Jay Skeets]

Fair enough.

[Tas Melis]

Then the Bulls did it with Patrick Williams. I was like, especially if their last name is Williams.

[Jay Skeets]

And then seventh and ninth current players know they're both current players. One guy's very old, though. Sort of shocking. He's on this list. He's made merely 500 when he was with the Hornets. He's old. He's an international player. He's played for a lot of teams.

[Tas Melis]

Is it a Bogdanovich?

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, no.

[Tas Melis]

Bojan's out of the way.

[Jay Skeets]

He's a. I'll just tell you, he's French. Guy.

[Tas Melis]

Batuu.

[Jay Skeets]

There you go. There you go.

[Tas Melis]

I know he was there for a long time. He was like one of the worst contracts in the league while he was on the Hornets.

[Jay Skeets]

And then a guy that reminds me of my vehicle.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, Peach.

[Jay Skeets]

PJ Washington.

[Tas Melis]

Wow. It's all new, guys.

[Jay Skeets]

What a list, eh?

[Tas Melis]

That's a weird list.

[Jay Skeets]

Kemba Walker, lamelo Ball. Who's 70 away. Let's call it from a thousand. Three pointers made. Del Curry, Miles Bridges, Terry Rosier, Marvin Williams, P.J. washington, Glenn Rice, Nicholas Batum and Brandon Miller.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Comp Cannon will pass Jason Richardson for the second highest single season for a Hornet. That scene sounds like a lot for a threes for Jason Richards.

[Jay Skeets]

But then he's not on this list, so obviously didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Those are last night's games. Let's get into some things. The National Basketball Association. Wait, no. The NBA Players Association. Yeah, I know. Just call it the Players Association. That's the easiest way for that.

[Tas Melis]

P in there.

[Trey Kirby]

Hold on, we'll talk about. Daquan plowed in here for a bit.

[Jay Skeets]

Why?

[Trey Kirby]

That guy had his career high last night. Respect him. Respect. We watched him from the G League go up. That's it. That's all. I just wanted to give you a break from saying NBA mbpa and, you know.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, he plotted to P and mbpa.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

The Giannis Bucks standoff has grown contentious enough that the Players association has decided to get involved here. On Tuesday, it released a statement blaming the league's tanking crisis on Milwaukee's efforts to end Giannis's season earlier than he'd like. Here it is. I'll read a small part. The player participation policy was designed by the league to hold teams accountable and ensure that when an all star like Giannis is healthy and ready to play, he is on the court again. This is their statement. Unfortunately, Anti tanking policies are only as effective as their enforcement. Fans, broadcast partners and the integrity of the game itself will continue to suffer as long as ownership goes unchecked. We look forward to collaborating with the NBA on meaningful new proposals that will directly address and discourage tanking. So the Players association taking, they're taking the tanking angle here with the Giannis, Bucks standoff, whatever you want to call it, where they would prefer Giannis not to play any more games. And Giannis by all accounts wants to play tasks. What did you make of this statement from the Players Association?

[Trey Kirby]

Well, Jan said Gumbo is not ending his Bucks career sitting on a bench. He's not doing that to the fans of Milwaukee. And so, yeah, the Player association got involved to speak up for him. And if you looked at his last injuries, March 15, he literally dunked right after it went to the hallway, was talking to the athletic trainers. He wanted to go back out there, but they convinced him to leave because the Bucks are saying, hey, we understand that you want to be dealt. Even though he will never declare that he wants to be traded, but to get the most out of him, he has to be incredibly healthy. He is in a part of his career where he does get injured a lot, so they just don't want to take that chance.

[Jay Skeets]

And a calf injury at that, too. A couple times now. A couple times which we have seen. I'm saying, like, you know, recurring injury that can get worse.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. This one that he's out with isn't even that calf injury. He could literally be playing right now. And he wants to again, I think he just wants to do right by the Milwaukee Bucks fans. Done and done. I said they will always forgive him at some point. But are they going to forgive him the day he is traded or is it going to take them a few months? That's what it comes down to. And if he goes out and plays and finishes career like this, they can say, look at this guy fighting through injuries. This team stinks. He's ready to go. We'll forgive him. The day leaves. And so that's what this is. And somehow he got the NBA PA to be involved.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it's good union leadership. They're saying, enforce the collectively bargained rules that we all agreed on. Giannis is healthy, he wants to play. Ownership is saying no. That's what a union is supposed to do. But it also just shows the disconnect between Giannis and the front office because like you're saying Giannis is what he's been doing for the Past, I don't know, three years, but certainly for the past one year is trying to be the good guy and he's trying to be the good guy here by saying I want to play. These could be my last games in Milwaukee. Though he's not specifically saying that. We all know it. It is better for the Bucks, even if they keep Giannis, for him to not play this season. Slightly better for their draft odds, though it's not going to matter all that much because they can't move up that much.

[Jay Skeets]

That's my problem with the statement this

[Tas Melis]

wasn't really about tanking is weird.

[Jay Skeets]

It's not.

[Tas Melis]

It's more like, look it, they are keeping our guy out and they shouldn't be doing that because he's healthy and

[Jay Skeets]

he wants to play and he wants to play.

[Tas Melis]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. But it's more like you just said this idea. We don't want him to get hurt because we either he's going to sign an extension and says he wants to be here for life and. And we want Giannis as healthy as possible to compete or the more likely scenario, we're going to trade them, especially if there's no contract extension, which they've now ownership has basically said that on record. If that's not signed, we're moving them, we're dealing them that we want more of a return. We don't want an injured Giannis because that's not going to help our chances to get X amount of picks or X amount of young players or whatever. So. But it's not really about the tanking. That's the funny part here, though. They sort of made it seem like it because there are way more egregious examples across this league of actual tanking than this, in my opinion.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. The worrisome part here is that Janus continuously gets injured and I don't think he's hurt his trade value to this point, but it's getting borderline how much he is being. Getting hurt. His calves are getting hurt. So you just don't take another chance. If you're the Milwaukee Bucks, I get it from their perspective and it is good you slipped in there that they came out and were vocal like their ownership, the Edens came out and talked. That doesn't happen all that often. So at least there's that for fans. Yeah. That they came out and verbalized something. They are trading an instead of Gumpo and they have to do it now because he is at a point where he's getting hurt a lot. As much as I love everything About Giannis and that bod. I love all that bod. He is getting hurt a lot and we don't know how long he's going to be able to play at this level. He was part of the MVP conversation for a long time at the beginning of this season. Then that was gone. I guess it wasn't that long this season, but then it was gone. And they have to do it now because he could go into 26, 27 and not be healthy.

[Tas Melis]

But you don't think he should play for the rest of the season?

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, I think. I think he should. I think he. What he has meant for that team. Yeah, he has to get it and play. It's for him, it's for the fans. I mean, even stuff for a few more games. They don't have that many games left. Yeah, he doesn't have to play every single game. He doesn't have to play 30 minutes even. And yeah, I do think he. He should. He does want to. Yeah, I think. I think all. Yes, he should. But the Bucks, they gotta be worried.

[Jay Skeets]

It just illustrates how contentious this relationship between Giannis and the Bucks are, because otherwise they talk about it and maybe you convince them and maybe you can't. I don't know. But, like, we just went over why this is probably good and best for you, Giannis, best for us as a franchise. For you maybe not to play these very meaningless games. They are for them as an organization this season.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, but he.

[Jay Skeets]

But he wants to.

[Trey Kirby]

Yanis, is Kobe in his blood? Like, he wants to do all of this stuff. Every single game he is, he wants to play.

[Jay Skeets]

So do you think he's going to play, I guess even one more game here to see out the rest of the season? Like, if you were to put odds on it. I don't know if this is on Kelshi. I don't know what Giannis's status is. If he's going to play a game. Like, would you bet on it that he plays at least one more game in a Milwaukee Buck uniform this season.

[Trey Kirby]

I would bet on it. I don't know if Giannis De Campo gets a percentage of that bet. He doesn't want to talk about that. But yeah, because he is a part owner in Kelsey, I think it's only up to 1% as far as the CBA goes, how much he can own of that. My bigger question, I think he'll play. My bigger question is, has his trade value been hurt by all these injuries, by who he is? Do other teams still think that he is 100 of Yanis because, again, he was in the MVP conversation to start the season because he's that good. But then the calf injuries. Yeah, they're all.

[Jay Skeets]

Which has been recurring over the last couple seasons, too. The injuries. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Untimely injuries a lot of times the last two years.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. I mean, look, to answer your question, yeah, it's hurt. It hasn't helped it. I mean, he's still Giannis, so. How much has it hurt? It. I don't know. Is there a one draft pick taken out of the proposal from a said team?

[Trey Kirby]

But there isn't. There isn't a comparable player that's available. There isn't. So I. I don't know how much

[Jay Skeets]

to move a needle to help your chances.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. So I don't know how much it's hurt, but I think that's what the ownership is saying every time you come out. This wasn't a bad injury at the last one against the Pacers at all, but every time you come out, there's a chance that you. You go down. And so, yeah, that's part of it, I think.

[Jay Skeets]

Any other thoughts?

[Trey Kirby]

Is he playing?

[Jay Skeets]

Are you over this? Are you over the honest?

[Trey Kirby]

Big time.

[Tas Melis]

I just. I hope we. I mean, we're not going to get a decision right away. No, they'll offer him his contract and we'll see what he says, and then we'll know.

[Trey Kirby]

The weird part is he can't sign an extension till October 1st.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

And so the. He's taking into account everything they're doing from June to July to August, according to him, that that would factor into whether or not he's going to stick around.

[Tas Melis]

And do you think this factors into whether or not he'll stick around, the Bucks keeping him out his last potential? Like, he's got six potential home games he could play in. It does feel like a little bit of engineering, a dispute, I feel like, between him and the Bucks being like, hey, they didn't want me to play my last game in Milwaukee.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm out of here. Yeah. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

No. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Things have sour between them so much that everything feels like an insult both ways. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, we'll see. It's. I mean, I. I was thinking in the drive in today, I was like, oh, yeah? When. When is it going to happen in the summer? Like a potential Giannis trade breaks. Like, is it going to be early? Is it to going be late? Like you said, Is it. October is before the season. My God.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. It would just suck for all of us talking, but it sure feels. If he is going to be dealt. It doesn't. The extension part doesn't matter. I don't think. Well, on the other side of it, like the team that he would be getting traded to.

[JD]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He would want the most dollars, which you can get from the Milwaukee Bucks. There's that part. But I think if you're dealing him, you're probably dealing him to a team that he wants to be at. So he would. He would sign it.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

It wouldn't be as much money, but the man is making money from Cal.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, jeez.

[Trey Kirby]

From his gummy bears, from lots of other things. What else is he doing anyways, that I don't think that really matters. The dollars to him. Who knows? I. I'm not. I'm not working his books. I haven't been told that he wants a trade. But don't tell him that I want to trade. You know, I'm not Alex Oratzis.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. You better find out before we do, though, because you got. You must be on some crazy NBA Greek WhatsApp group.

[Trey Kirby]

No. Yeah. Greek Reddit.

[Jay Skeets]

Greek Reddit.

[Trey Kirby]

No. I don't know. I just made that up. I just made that up. I assumed.

[Tas Melis]

Do we have that Greek Fest coming up soon?

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, there's always Greek Fest.

[Jay Skeets]

We went last year. Yeah, that was hot. Ish.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, exactly. I was like, it's when the weather starts turning nice. For sure.

[Trey Kirby]

There's another one, better time of the season in Marietta.

[Tas Melis]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

It's May, I think.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, much better. Is it on? Is it on grass? That was the other part. I mean, it was hot as hell, but we're like. We're in a parking lot. We're just baking. We were baking at a Greek festival.

[Trey Kirby]

It's not ideal. It didn't feel very Greek to be doing. To be slapping your feet and doing a dance and slapping the floor when it's pavement.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, we're going in May. Okay, let's take a break.

[Tas Melis]

Hold on, hold on. We got breaking news. Breaking news. Shams Sharanya. No break. The NBA's board of governors has approved a vote for the league to explore bids and applicants for expansion teams exclusively in Las Vegas and Seattle.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

A bidding process is expected to generate offers in the seven to $10 billion range for each team.

[Trey Kirby]

Good.

[Tas Melis]

We're getting expansion. So they vote.

[Jay Skeets]

So they voted on.

[Tas Melis]

They said, we're exploring. We're doing it.

[Jay Skeets]

23 owners at least said, okay, let's go.

[Tas Melis]

Exactly. And it's. It can only be in those two cities.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes.

[Tas Melis]

Seattle And Las Vegas.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay, so they await the bids. They have to be good bids.

[Tas Melis]

Seven to $10 billion. Yeah, LeBron said he's out now.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, we didn't talk about that.

[Trey Kirby]

Listen, I'm glad they weren't listening to all those people saying, oh, 32 teams or there's not enough talent in the NBA. I don't buy that. I'm not one of those. I think they've done a good job. A good enough job with the CBA in that good players have to go other places.

[Jay Skeets]

Now.

[Trey Kirby]

They're not top shelf players, but you saw Drew Holiday with the Boston Celtics. They had to move on. Nikhil Alexander Walker couldn't be signed with the Wolves. So you get a guy like that in the right situation with a good program, that's the most important thing and that's fine. I know there's people saying there's just so many bad teams tanking. I. I just don't buy that. Look, the NFL has 32 teams. Like half of them, like three and 14. This year there was a big number that were three and 14. They sucked.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

NBA player, NBA teams are going to win more than.

[Tas Melis]

So you're saying you want half the teams to suck? Well, just like the NFL.

[Trey Kirby]

There's only. Well, there's only.

[Tas Melis]

I'm kind of anti expansion right now. I don't think we need it at all.

[Trey Kirby]

I th those fan. Do we need it? No, we don't. We don't need it. Okay. But I think it's fine to have 32 teams. And those teams, they're not going to suck as bad as 3 and 14, I'll tell you that. They're way better. They're way better than winning. Literally 20% team. Those teams are way better than Clouden's career highest 22.

[Jay Skeets]

22. Get ready for 25 plus when he's playing for the Venom in Las Vegas.

[Trey Kirby]

I think the CBA is forcing parody. We're seeing more of that. Listen, I'm not. I'm not just speaking for Adam Silver here who made this deal. I think we are seeing more and more parity as the CBA gets older and older. And you guys will have to be split up a little bit more and there will be some Daquan Plowdins. See out there. Take one.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I think it's fine.

[Trey Kirby]

I think you see like organizations that just run better. That's what it comes down to. There's going to be bad teams. There's two teams in every single game. One team loses. That's what Happens in games.

[Jay Skeets]

Just a fact right there. All right, let's take a break, and then we're going to hit the beach right about. Now, this fanduel brother. Check this out. Now this fanduel brother. I don't know. That popped in my head when I

[Trey Kirby]

was writing this yesterday.

[Jay Skeets]

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[Tas Melis]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Second weekend of March Madness. With the men's at least. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Trey Kirby]

We should be making a medley of all our FanDuel songs that we've been.

[Jay Skeets]

We have had done quite a bit.

[Trey Kirby]

Right about now. Right about now.

[Jay Skeets]

Remember that song?

[Tas Melis]

Is that Fat Boy Slim. Fat Boy Slim. Slim. Slam Slim.

[Jay Skeets]

Slim.

[Trey Kirby]

We've got. We've got a Fat Boy Slim. I threw in a Bruto Mars last week. Has there been. It's been a third.

[Jay Skeets]

I've done another one. Yeah. Was it.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't know what it was we did. This is Montel Jordan, right?

[Tas Melis]

Like, maybe this is how you bet it.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe something about Friday. I take it back. I thought Montel Jordan was related to the.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I did. I did the classic what's her name? The Friday song.

[Tas Melis]

Rebecca Black.

[Jay Skeets]

I definitely did that.

[Trey Kirby]

That's what it was. I thought it was Montel Jordan for some reason.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes. Okay, medley coming up. I also said fart duel the other day. I don't know if that counts. That could be a song.

[Tas Melis]

Could be a web series as well. Two guys, butt to butt,

[Jay Skeets]

not head to head. Just like pressing my fart into your butt and you fart back into my butt. Fascinating.

[Tas Melis]

You Ever see that movie, you and me and everyone we know? I think it was called Back and Forth Forever. Same poop. No, it's a weird.

[Jay Skeets]

I am not weird. I don't even know what you're wearing.

[Trey Kirby]

I would think it's pretty weird.

[Tas Melis]

July. Yeah, she's a, she's a unique creator of things.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Including farts.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, stuff Back and forth forever, same poop.

[Jay Skeets]

You know a great place to fart. Maybe one of the best places to fart on the beach. I got the rockets, you got the nuts. I got the chocolates. We got that chitchat down pack, blah, blah blah. On that certain special genesis. I mean it really is. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Nice open, open air. No worries.

[Jay Skeets]

Very few worries when you're farting on the beach. But we go to the beach to read your emails and your tweets. We got a fun batch here from you guys. So thanks everybody for sending these in. You can email them in. No Dunks Inc. That's inc mail.com. you can leave them in the YouTube comments. We sometimes solicit them on social media channels. So that's the best way to get them in. First one here. I got it. Hi gentlemen. I know you guys hate the Is this guy a Hall of Famer? Questions? But BAM. Adebayo's 83 point game has a unique angle. I haven't heard anyone talk about. Does this one achievement almost single handedly cement his place in the Hall? If so, are there any other examples of singular events bringing a guy from let's say a fringe case, if you could even say that for Bam. To hall of Fame overnight? May the classics rain like wedgies. We're in a drought right now. Both for rain here in Atlanta and wedgies. That's a great point. Yeah, it's been a while after we set the record. Anyway, that's from Kenny. So I want to start with the Bam part of it. Do you, do you believe what Kenny's selling us here? Like BAM score in 83. Is that taken a fringe case? If it even was that to sort of more of a lock to make the hall of Fame because of that achievement.

[Trey Kirby]

One game does not get you in. I, I, I tried to find another game that would get an NBA player in and we have lowered the bar over the last few years. So I thought maybe, maybe there's a slim chance. But no, one game doesn't get you in. Okay, now what would get Bam closer? Now I do think he is kind of a fringe candidate like on his way.

[Jay Skeets]

He's not.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it's a little too early, but he is a French candidate, especially with a lowered bar. What would help him this year is Victor Wembanyama missed enough games, so he couldn't be defensive player of the Year to get bam his first defensive player of the year trophy. Potentially. You know, he probably wouldn't win, but he needs one. I. I think it would help. He's, you know, three all stars, five time all defensive team. That's not enough. You know, I don't think it's enough. Two NBA Finals, but no championship.

[Tas Melis]

Two gold medals.

[Jay Skeets]

I was going to say. That definitely does help him.

[Trey Kirby]

Nice banners.

[Tas Melis]

He literally has a banner in Miami

[Trey Kirby]

arena for that guy.

[Tas Melis]

He does, but he was on the team.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Single games.

[Tas Melis]

You can't do it.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Yeah. Your thoughts on that TK from Kenny here.

[Tas Melis]

Basketball Reference hall of Fame probability 0.8% for Bam right now, right between Julius Randle and Fred Van vliet, he's at 10k points, 5k rebounds. He's not a Hall of Famer now, but let's say he continues to play a normal career the way he has and becomes a fringe case. I think 83 points would put him over. I think that if voters are like, should Bam be there? Well, he did have that 83 point game and I think it'll factor into it. I don't think that specifically gets him in, but I think it'll be part of his case.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I was looking up his chances on Basketball Reference as well. You already said there basically less than a 1% chance right now. Still a lot of basketball he played, but he has like similar odds to like Andre Drummond, Vuchevic, guys that have played longer. Right.

[Tas Melis]

Well, I mean, Vuch is in, right?

[Jay Skeets]

We're all saying no, no, I'm not. And so Bam's not making it. I don't think 80. Not right now. Of course, if his career ended today and the 83 points. Yeah, I was trying to think of like examples or comparisons. Here's a weird one. Vince Carter, okay. Goes into the hall of Fame. I think he was helped out quite a bit by the 22 year career. Right. I mean, got a lot of the cumulative stats at the end. He just played an incredible, incredible career, very, very long. But like, let's say he played a more normal, I don't know, like just even say 15 years instead of 22. It's like I'm almost convinced that the 2000 dunk contest performance was like, you know what? That puts him in. That's just enough to bump him over if he's a fringe guy. So that was the only comparable one. Like a. One thing that I was like, could take you from fringe to like in. In my case, because it's just legendary. And it's like, yep, sort of one of those. Can the history of basketball be told without Vince Carter as one of the greatest dunkers ever in that performance and all that? I don't know. I think you're missing a piece if you didn't have them.

[Trey Kirby]

Is the 2000 dunk contest performance more memorable than Bam and Bios 83 point game? I think it is, yes. So. So it's on. It's. I think it's on another level of okay moments, you know. But I, I hear what you're saying.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm just trying to find something.

[Trey Kirby]

As far as Vince Carter's long career, it somewhat factors into Bam out of bios. I mean he has played a lot. He's up to 10000 points. He's only in his ninth season. He can get to 20000 points. Like he can. He can have a long career. Maybe not.

[JD]

Whatever.

[Trey Kirby]

It could be Bam or it could be Vince. Like, but maybe too many guys are doing 23 seasons.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I think you're right. I, I really. He. He needs like a defensive player of the year. A championship, of course helps everybody. Like a big postseason run. Like one of those sort of big accolades. Like he's not. He's never winning MVP or anything like that. So probably a dpoi. His best chance to. To really help his case and keep racking up all defensive selections. Couple more all stars or some ships.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, that helps.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, for sure.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. But like, what if he gets the five all star games?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

I mean, it's only two more all Stars. That's not out of the realm of possible.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, it's not. No. But he's like a.

[Tas Melis]

He'll probably retire as the all time games played leader for the heat. He's like 300 behind Wade White right now. Yeah, he probably will like another five seasons, basically. It would not surprise me at all.

[Jay Skeets]

No, I agree. And you said you brought up some USA gold medals. They take that into consideration. It's your career.

[Trey Kirby]

The bar is different.

[Jay Skeets]

But the guy also is like career like 16 and 9, you know. Totally, totally wowing you by any means. Okay, fun question, Kenny. Anything else on that one? No. Okay.

[Tas Melis]

No, I just wrote down basically the leaders in every single game thing are not in the hall of Fame. Well, Chamberlain of course is, but Manute bull 15 blocks, not in. Scott Skiles, 30 assists, not in. Charles Oakley, 35 boards, not in. Kendall Gil, 11 steals, not in.

[Jay Skeets]

Great point man.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I just wrote that down.

[Jay Skeets]

Thank you.

[Tas Melis]

Straight up. Wrote it down.

[Trey Kirby]

What about the second time or the. The second most in each set?

[Jay Skeets]

Because that's what I did.

[Tas Melis]

Fudge it a little bit. Shaquille O' Neal also had 15 blocks in a game.

[Trey Kirby]

He said nice fudge.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, a little fudgy fudge.

[Trey Kirby]

I did see Manoop polls 15 recently too, because I was looking at rookies with the most blocks in a single game because Ace Bailey had five, tying the single season high this season. Okay. I think new ball had 15 in a game in his rookie career rookie year.

[Tas Melis]

I think you're right. That's.

[Trey Kirby]

That's good.

[Jay Skeets]

A lot of blocks.

[Tas Melis]

That's good.

[Trey Kirby]

You should be put in. Put them in posthumously. Put him in.

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[Trey Kirby]

Next one With Wemby's Ascension, there needs to be a term and tracking for when offensive players give up on a drive or shot when he is lurking. With your history of Popularizing and tracking wedgies. No Dunks has an opportunity, a responsibility to take the lead on this. My suggestions. Nope. Abort, Turn back. Big bros. Interesting. Scaredy stat. Oh, hell nas. See, that one? I was. I want to say. Or hell, nas. But the. This one is. Oh, hell no. Yeah. For example, Wemby had six nopes in the game last night. What better suggestions do you all have? Thanks. That's from Henry, who wrote a great book on worm. Yeah. Also a very good question. So what would be your suggestion for what Wemby does?

[Jay Skeets]

Well, the two best ones that he suggested there are. I do like, oh, hell nas. I think that's such a funny one where you're gonna go in there and think about a floater or a layup. You're like, oh, hell, no. Wendy's there. That's a good one. But I'm team. Nope. It's. It's good, man. Like, let's take it to the movies. Jordan Peele's. Nope.

[Trey Kirby]

Great movie.

[Jay Skeets]

It's about aliens, man.

[Tas Melis]

It's about aliens.

[Jay Skeets]

He's the alien. Wendy. Nope.

[Tas Melis]

Beautiful alien.

[Jay Skeets]

It sounds good. When we had six nopes last night. I like it. I don't think we need to overthink it, man. I've heard it before, too. I don't think Henry came up with it, but, like, that's good to me. I couldn't come up with a better one than nope.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I. I did a play on words when bands like banning you from the. From the paint. You know, it's. It's not as ideal because it doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be an altered shot. You know, it could just be a guy getting out of there. So, yeah. Nopes. Or that's. It was well done. I had to debate with myself, am I going to include this in the question? Because it's too good. We could just. But I. I saw the name for Wemby, which is. It's. It's a bit of a reach. But the altar boy, I think would be good. He. He alters shots. He alters them all the time. There are altars in Shaolin monasteries, like, where he spent some time. I mean, if you want to relate, if you can connect it to religion, imagine all the fans you'd be pulling from different religions that have alter boys.

[Jay Skeets]

Wasn't Kendrick Perkins the altar boy, was he? He actually was.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

He's a giant altar boy.

[Trey Kirby]

He wasn't blocking anything.

[Jay Skeets]

No. No, he wasn't. Not a lot of nopes around. Kendrick Perkins really I think you felt pretty good. Getting your shot off the altar. Boy is funny, but. Yeah, TK you looked like you were team nope as well.

[Tas Melis]

I'm with the Stream team. They're saying yep on nope.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, there it is.

[Tas Melis]

That's good.

[Trey Kirby]

We're going with when we had six nopes in the game last night.

[Jay Skeets]

It's good. I'm sorry. It's good. Nope.

[Tas Melis]

I feel hard to track. Very.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Subjective tracking.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

That's okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. So we're including you go into the lane. You're like, I'm leaving. I'm leaving this lane.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. You just sort of know it when you see it, right? You're like, oh, you. That guy. Thought about that. If that's 99 of other guys in there, they're gonna take that shot or look to get it and try and draw a foul or whatever. But they didn't. And they scurried away where they obviously turned it down. You know it, everybody.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Four scurries tonight.

[Jay Skeets]

Next one here, dear. No, Donke Bunch, your discussion of illegal use of footwear got me thinking. How many games would this year's Thunder team have won if they all had to play every game in socks?

[Tas Melis]

It's from Chief.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep. You just got cheved on this one. What an insane question.

[Tas Melis]

This is a great insane question.

[Jay Skeets]

Have a go, TK Okay, I think

[Tas Melis]

Shane Alexander can probably play in socks. Like, he glides around the court already, but he does do a lot of stops and starts. I think that would be tough.

[Jay Skeets]

Brutal.

[Tas Melis]

According to their schedule, they played 17 games against, like, the worst teams in the league this year. I think they go 13 and four against the tankers.

[Jay Skeets]

In all, everybody wearing socks.

[Tas Melis]

Everybody wearing socks. And then lose every other game.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow.

[Tas Melis]

So I think give them 13 wins. 13 and 59.

[Trey Kirby]

Is that right?

[Tas Melis]

69.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know, man. I was like, can they win one game? Every guy playing in socks? Could they beat a professional basketball team? No matter how bad some of these teams are and how bad they want to lose because of tanking, but that's. That's what I got.

[Trey Kirby]

No, man, that's what I got, too. I got to one win where they get hot. I'm. I just shoot a bunch of threes. Yeah. There's gonna be too much slippage. I think maybe I'm overestimating how much they're gonna slip.

[Tas Melis]

Probably not,

[Jay Skeets]

but I guess we didn't determine, like, can they play in those non slip socks?

[Tas Melis]

Like hospital socks?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Now a little more convinced, A little more traction. A little grip, a little more traction.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, they're real good.

[Jay Skeets]

Good. Otherwise, I think you're playing in NBA socks. You're cut. Like, I. I sometimes wear NBA socks around my house, and I'm like, wiping out after a clean floor.

[Trey Kirby]

You know, they're fun. They're fun to slide in.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Tom Cruise style.

[Trey Kirby]

Exactly.

[Jay Skeets]

But so. God, heaven forbid, on a floor. No way. I'd say I got. I'm zero man

[Trey Kirby]

question, chief. We got chief question.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know how much ourselves. I want to.

[Trey Kirby]

Let's try and get Shay to run one possession where he does his thing.

[Tas Melis]

Like, one game.

[Jay Skeets]

It'd be good for sell shoes, too. You take them off, he's like, what? Actually, what would happen? He's bringing the ball up the court and just slips his shoes off. Legal, I guess.

[Trey Kirby]

Never thought of this. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

There's probably not a rule that you can't take off your own shoes.

[Jay Skeets]

This is guessing, right? It's sort of like the equivalent of, like, have a guy on an inbounds play get down on all fours and bark like a dog. And it's like everyone's, like, distracted a little bit. This would be weird if someone, like, took off their shoes. That's not in, like, Tenenbaum's movie. And I was like, is he okay? And then he just hoops it up. I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

It's not in the rulebook.

[Jay Skeets]

It's not the rule book.

[Trey Kirby]

But what would be in the rule book now? I should say record book. This would be the longest game in NBA history. How much the mop crew would have to come out and stop the clock.

[Jay Skeets]

Stop mopping.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it's all mopping.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, interesting. You're saying because their feet would be damp.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that's grip.

[Jay Skeets]

Is it wet? Wet, Wet.

[Tas Melis]

Skin on wood.

[Jay Skeets]

Wet skin. Why is it skin? Well, it's, you know, it's wet fabric. It's wet. It's wet cloth. Maybe not.

[Tas Melis]

I think it's grip. You spit on the floor, you rub your foot in it, you got more grip.

[Jay Skeets]

I hear what you're saying. It's like you would have more grip

[Tas Melis]

than a dry sock.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, I agree with that. Yeah. But I don't think you have grip. Still probably not.

[Trey Kirby]

Interesting.

[Tas Melis]

All right, other questions off of this one. Which player do you think would be the best playing in socks? And which player do you think plays like they are wearing socks currently?

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, like, why? What's hurting? Like, Wemby and socks. Let's talk this out.

[Tas Melis]

Right? He can still play Defense, he could still.

[Jay Skeets]

He can still be 7 foot 5.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Nopes are still happening.

[Tas Melis]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Like, he. Okay, you lost an inch, but it's okay. Still nope. Yeah. Which. Which guy plays like they're in socks, so they're slip sliding around.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Only guy I had for that is Carl Anthony Towns.

[Jay Skeets]

So he's stumbling.

[Tas Melis]

He falls. Yeah, he looks a little awkward at times. He's got a sock like game to me.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

Just something to chew on, you know?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

When we're looking at these people's feet.

[Jay Skeets]

Chief, you've done it again.

[Tas Melis]

You've done it again. How many games will the Celtics win if they all had to wear a tal green hats? 820 gives them powers.

[Trey Kirby]

Fun week jokes.

[Jay Skeets]

Make that Rivals week. Okay, add that to rivals week that nobody usually cares about. But Celtics play in tall green hats. Cavs have to play with like a sword, like a she, you know, on their hip. Like, add that element for one game and, you know, watch ratings go nuts.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay, next question.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, next one.

[Trey Kirby]

Hey, Prohibition on throwing the ball down through the rim just rolls off the tongue. I anticipate that one of the biggest stories at the end of the regular season will be all the great players who are not eligible for regular season awards. Get ready for graphics showing five players who are good enough to be the all NBA first team, but were not eligible for any awards because they didn't play at least 65 games. What would you call this? Air quotes. Team Turnips, Love Root Veg, Onion. That's from Sepi. What would you call the team that bunch of guys didn't play 65 games.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, this is the perfectly timed email here because we can talk about what the players association also had to say about the 65 game rule. But to answer the question, I think it'll just be called the almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades team, because we're gonna have a lot of guys. Unfortunately, just short close, but doesn't count guys that have already not made it. LeBron, Steph Giannis. I mean, these guys are usually in the conversation for all NBA teams, but then teetering on the edge of eligibility here. We got Jokic, we got Wemby, we've got Cade, which I know we'll get into. Anthony Edwards, Kawhi Leonard. Who else am I for? I guess sga. I mean, one bad injury could still knock him down. There's a couple other really notable names, so. So it does not roll off the tongue. I admit TK are usually a little better at this, but I Have the almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

[Tas Melis]

I just had the PPP All Stars.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh.

[Tas Melis]

Because that's why they're being left off these teams is because of the player participation policy.

[Jay Skeets]

The PPP All Stars or All NBA.

[Tas Melis]

All NBA.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

I tied it into what you were just saying that this has become an issue and we'll get to it. But because this is going to be the final year of this 65 game rule, it's. It's going to be done. I went with the final forfeits. Oh, I like that we got some alliteration at all.

[Jay Skeets]

If it is indeed the final time, it's gotta be. And let's talk about that. So the Players association, they want the 65 game rule to be modified or go away entirely. In a statement obtained by the AP's Tim Reynolds. Great guy. It cited Detroit Pistons star Cade Cunningham's potential ineligibility for postseason awards as it described the rule as unfair to players. So I'll read you a small part since it's. Since its implementation, far too many deserving players have been unfairly disqualified from end of season honors by this arbitrary and overly rigid quota. And they really were focusing on the Kate of it all. TK Because I guess it makes it sound like he is not going to embrace return here for the regular.

[Tas Melis]

That's what it definitely sounds like.

[Jay Skeets]

His agent is basically coming out and saying this so he would be just short here. We've talked about this a ton. I don't think really any of us were the biggest fans of this. We do think it maybe does go away. But what do you think of the players association also having things to say about this yesterday?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, this is a little different than the Giannis versus Bucks thing because they're basically like, you actually shouldn't enforce this rule that we all agreed to. Yes, we like the other rule. This rule rule not so good. And look, they also said the same thing I said when we talked about this earlier in the season. This rule must be abolished or reformed to create an exception for significant injuries. PPP was invented to get players to play. It has been successful in doing that and in doing so, the league got a gigantic media rights deal. It was not meant to keep players out of award conversations if they suffer an actual injury. It was to deal with rest. There's a difference between players load managing and a guy like Cade who has a collapsed lung. So there's nothing they can do about it right now because they're in the middle of the season. They can't change the CBA right now.

[Jay Skeets]

They agreed to it.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, they agreed to it. So it's unfortunate for Cade. It really sucks for him. The guy would be all NBA first team, I do believe. I mean maybe he's in the. There's other guys you could say, but he's there. He would be there for me. So I think they will certainly take a look at this and ways to make it different because there is a little bit of a carve out. Right. Like there is a 62 game rule as well if you suffer a season ending injury. Now for that to be true for Kade, he would have to come back and play two more games, which therefore means it's not a season ending injury. So he's caught in a tough, tough spot right now.

[Jay Skeets]

He got hurt like a couple minutes into his 61st game. So it's just the worst timing ever for this. And that's why they're saying do an exception here, like for him even maybe be alone.

[Trey Kirby]

I didn't know there was that 62 rule until I read it yesterday. No idea.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, exactly.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Finally we get to mention our clause.

[Jay Skeets]

So what? Okay, so do you think it will just be completely a ball?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, that's a great question.

[Jay Skeets]

Or do you think they could reform it a little bit? And a lot of people have said just lower the quota even a little bit more. 58 games, 70% of the season is what they use as the requirement for statistical league leaders. That's how many you have to play to be a point per game leader or a rebound per game leader, stuff like that. Why not just make it that so it's like even universal, I think is a fair, I don't know, adjustment still. Obviously you want to see these guys play and you have to play them out. The thing we're getting at here is like the media was doing an okay job I think determining between guy that plays 40 games to a guy that plays 65 plus games and the weight and impact of him in these award races. Right. That wasn't like that was being done. Okay. Like we're going to be debating or we would debate, oh, 61 games of Cade. How does it compare to just off top of my head like 70 games of Jalen Brunson for all NBA first team selection. Those are the debates we have and we go kid was better and more deserving. Oh no. Well, I think those 10 games more, nine games more is actually in favor of Jalen Brunson. That's what we do. But they remove it from the media's role in this with this like hardline 65 games or you got to play 65 games, so just get rid of it.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it served its purpose when owners and, and the players got to the table and they said, okay, listen, we got to sign up a huge TV deal. It's coming up. How are we going to show that you guys are going to play a lot? Just make this rule in 2023. So it served its purpose. The number, the 58. Sounds low. Just sounds low.

[Tas Melis]

Agree. That doesn't sound like a lot.

[Jay Skeets]

So 60 round number.

[Trey Kirby]

Round number of 60.

[Tas Melis]

I do agree. I'm like, yeah, players should play at least 65 games. It's not asking a lot to play three quarters of the season.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. I'm not doing math when you say the problem.

[Tas Melis]

The problem is the is, is the injury versus the resting versus the load. That's the problem.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

And 82 games is a lot. So they. Teams can afford to say, we'll sit you out 10 games. We're still going to be third in the standings. We're still going to be good in the standings because it doesn't factor in all that much.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, whatever number we decide on, you know, unfortunately there's going to be a guy or two that comes up a game short for whatever reason, like whether it's 58 games, 60 games, 65 games, whatever we set it at.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

That's the rule. The collect in the collective bargaining agreement that the players association and obviously the league, they agree on that number. Whatever it is. It just sucks. Everybody feels bad for Kate here. That's what we're getting at. We're like, oh my God, the guy has played at an MVP level all season long. They're the number one team. He's well deserving of at least all NBA selection. And it's like the only other like sort of idea I heard that makes some sense is maybe if you don't hit the 65 game threshold, you can't make first team all NBA. But that doesn't take you out of consideration for second or third team.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, the, the raises and how much each player is played is through all NBA appearances.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

It could be. Does that an mvp? Yeah. Does it matter on any team for all NBA?

[Jay Skeets]

I'm not sure.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, that's. That's a factor in here, I think to this whole thing.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Why Got paid already. Right.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean imagine this. The controversy would be having or the hoopla around this if he was like, like $45 million was on the line here for him making an all NBA team. Yeah, that would really be nice.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. A big part of this is every agent wants his guy to get paid

[Jay Skeets]

so he gets more money too.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah. It's all factored in here. I mean, that's where I'm getting at is that could be changed at some point, but it ain't. It ain't gonna be changed for a long time. In terms of how guys get raises, that's another step. But the 58 of 82, when you said that at 70%, it seems

[Jay Skeets]

didn't wrong.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, no, no, I did the math. Yeah, we don't. I just. It didn't seem like 24 of 82 games missed. That's still 70. It is.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

70.7. So that's not even. You're not missing a lot. Even though 58 sounds way lower. Just because. To me it's because 60 is such a round number. I guess that's why it sounds.

[Tas Melis]

I mean, 30 of the season is a lot to miss.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, that's true.

[Tas Melis]

A lot.

[Trey Kirby]

That's where they got to. So 60, I don't know. Somewhere around.

[Tas Melis]

Why can't these guys just play 82 games every single year and nobody ever get hurt? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Trey Kirby]

Just do it. I did eliminate these suggestions for that team from Seppi, so I do want to mention them. I think the best one was the strive for 65 guys. Let's try for 65 guys. You know, I thought that was the best one. No, NBA first team. All NBA. Zeroth team. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I see.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, that's it. Anyways, the final forfeits. Hopefully. Hopefully they get rid of it. So we don't talk. So don't talk about it.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, we'll see.

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[Jay Skeets]

Next one here Boys, boys, When you talked about playing in hats, I was immediately transported back to the summer of 1996 when I was an 11 year old at a Raptors basketball camp. All the campers gathered in the main gym to hear from none other than Raptors GM Isaiah Thomas. I was pumped. Isaiah got to the front of the gym, mic in hand, and as he was about to address the gym full of campers, he pointed to me and said sternly, you. Why are you wearing a hat in a basketball gym? Basketball players don't wear hats. Give me 25 push ups. I did my push ups, but I was devastated and I have never forgiven Isaiah Thomas. So other than Mike Bibby versus Skeets, is there anyone in life, NBA related or not, who you hold a secret grudge against or irrationally hate? That's from Marcus P. Traumatized by Zeke in 1996.

[Tas Melis]

That's awesome.

[Jay Skeets]

Sound as Isaiah Thomas sounded like me there. You know, my stance on hats on the basketball. So I stand with Isaiah Thomas on this one. But fun question. Who wants to go first on a rational hater secret grudge, I guess against somebody, either an NBA player, coach, GM

[Trey Kirby]

or something not mine is truly personal. So I don't know if anybody ever wants to hear this story. It's not as good as we do. Me versus Isaiah Thomas. That one's too good. But mine comes back to basketball. I was in a random practice where there was a mat on the floor and My coach, Coach McAllister, he said you Alex specifically. He was going at Alex. I think he wasn't going so much as me, but he goes at Alex. He goes, hey, wrestle task. You wrestle him.

[Jay Skeets]

Wrestle, wrestle.

[Trey Kirby]

We wrestle. We wrestled on a mat for no reason. He want, he wanted, he wanted. I think, I think it was about Alex to show some aggression, okay? Just to force a Little. A little bit of passion.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Literally, I didn't want to fight. I didn't want to fight Alex. I don't know who won.

[Jay Skeets]

It was me.

[Trey Kirby]

But either way, it was just a wrestling match and it was over.

[Tas Melis]

Could have been anybody.

[Jay Skeets]

But you're in your gym, like, your basketball, you know.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, we were in singlets.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, yeah, maybe you were Greek. Tell me what you got.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. So. Weird one. Weird one.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't like it. Well, he sent me a message four years ago, five years ago, 2021. He said, Hey, I saw you on NBA TV Canada.

[Jay Skeets]

He's like, I wish you would fight that guy next to you. I'd love to see you go at it.

[Tas Melis]

Wrestle channing fry.

[Trey Kirby]

Russell Ch. Good call back. Thanks, Coach McAllister.

[Jay Skeets]

It's a good one.

[Tas Melis]

That's a funny one. What do you got, TK Grayson Allen. For me?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

He's flagrant fouled Alex caruso in the 22 regular season. The Bulls completely fell apart as soon as Caruso went down with injury. That was why I started disliking Grayson Allen. And then in the playoffs that year, it was Bucks versus Bulls. I went and saw game three as the first Bulls home playoff game in I think, five years. And Grayson Allen went for 22 points in 25 minutes. And we were just, just booing the entire time. And he was killing the Bulls game four. 27 points on 10 of 12 field goals in 28 minutes. So he hurt our guy and then ended the season. And I've hated him ever since. And unfortunately, like I've said before, I actually think he's good. Like, that's the worst part is, like, he actually is a good player as well.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, well, that's why the Mike Bibby and my hate for Mike Bibby works too. He was good. He was. I'll admit it. He sucked. Fuck Mike Bibby. But he was.

[Tas Melis]

He is a killer sometimes.

[Jay Skeets]

Jd do you have an answer to this? Because you recently. No. Bu. Really went at Zack Brown. Like, really not a fan of Zach Brown showing up on Survivor and wearing flip flops on the beach.

[JD]

Well, look, you know, called him out. I did call him out. I came for him. But, you know, it's more about the whole segment. So it's not really against Zach Brown, but Marcus P. And I. Hold on. I'm not walking anything.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, walking it back in flip flops. Tough to do. Walking back.

[JD]

Very hard to do.

[Jay Skeets]

Especially in the sand.

[Trey Kirby]

Jesus.

[JD]

Exactly. Marcus P. I have the same grudge against Isaiah Thomas for a Completely different.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, there we go.

[JD]

Like there's, you know, we used to work at NBA TV and, you know, we would go to All Star and stuff. And, you know, there was a little bit of separation between production and talent. Right. And at the time, Isaiah Thomas, I can't remember which All Star this was,

[Trey Kirby]

but he launched the New Orleans hotel that we are. You're about to get to.

[JD]

Yeah. You guys all got bottles of Sherlin's champagne.

[Jay Skeets]

That's right. Sparkling wine.

[Trey Kirby]

The best champagne I ever had outside our hotel rooms. Right. Or in our hotel room.

[Jay Skeets]

It was in. It was waiting. It was a nice, real nice gift. Inside our rooms.

[JD]

The best I ever got was a case of star. He changed my life.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[JD]

But still, it was. Whatever it was, everybody got it. It was outside our rooms.

[Jay Skeets]

That was Salt Lake City, wasn't it?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Y.

[Jay Skeets]

Anyway, we only remember All Star weekend by the gifts we were given. Forget the JBL speaker from Kenny Smith in.

[Tas Melis]

I think that was New Orleans as well.

[JD]

Oh, I can forget it cuz I didn't get one.

[Jay Skeets]

Sorry to bring it up. You're not talent. You're talented, but you're not talent. There's a difference.

[JD]

It's all debatable. Anyway, Matty O and I talked to. Anyway, his PR guy, Blake, I think his name was, came up to us and he was like, hey, how'd you

[Jay Skeets]

guys like the champagne?

[JD]

And, man, we're like, yeah, well, we didn't get. Get any.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[JD]

And he was like, oh, oh, this is a horrible oversight. I'm gonna fix this. Yeah, we never got that champagne and never have. I've never tried it. It has never passed my lips. I don't hate Isaiah Thomas, but I do hold a secret.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

No, it's fair, you know.

[JD]

Yeah. It's an insult to injury. It's the. It's the. The champagne that they use at the end of every season of Survivor.

[Tas Melis]

That's a crazy.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, that's the crazy part. Like you'd sort of think, okay, this champagne is here for a year or two and then it's gone. Credit to. And the marketing behind it. I see it more now than ever.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, sure.

[Tas Melis]

Lynch flash in the champagne pan. Yeah.

[JD]

I mean, it's not like Mike Bibby. Right. He's good at his job because he got the champagne in the right hands. Me not getting it didn't make a difference. Matty O Didn't make a difference, but you guys getting it and Jeff Probst getting it. Hey, it worked out. Blake, you're great at your Job. Fuck Blake. And that's it.

[Jay Skeets]

All right. Hopefully somebody from Shirlin Champaign is listening. This would be great. We can make some great content content out of this. You finally getting

[JD]

would be like we won the the NBA finals in here.

[Jay Skeets]

Goggles literally popped everywhere.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I mean a nice discussion in the no dunks group chat last night. Would you rather drink Sherlyn Champagne or Rusilla White?

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, I'd love to try Rosilla's wine, which I thought was fake too. Whoever asked that, I was like, is this fake? Like it looked like a Photoshop. But Ryan Rossillo has his own wine.

[Tas Melis]

It's a real wine. We have a Sauvignon Blanc. If I'm not mistaken.

[Jay Skeets]

He's in a sandler' in a sailor's house.

[Tas Melis]

I couldn't tell. It felt like Matt was ducking the question. Do you think that was his. His personal bottle or he just took that photo from promotional thing or did he actually go to a store purchase

[Jay Skeets]

it look like his place?

[Tas Melis]

Give me the Ryan.

[Jay Skeets]

Popping Ryan. Should we get in the wine game in the champagne? Sure we should.

[Tas Melis]

No dunk Snatty.

[Jay Skeets]

All right.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. I guess we got one more here. All right.

[Trey Kirby]

But didn't you. You didn't have a. A good grudge that you had? I guess you're Mike.

[Jay Skeets]

I. Do you want another one?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Dan Lebatard.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Hello.

[Trey Kirby]

What a left turn.

[Jay Skeets]

You didn't see that one coming, did you? No, no, no, no. I mean, you guys know this. Personally, I don't know if I've ever said on the show, but when I was a young pup, I was at Yahoo. Sports Baldo my days. So way back I was booked to go on Dan Lebatard's show. Show on the radio show, I guess. And I did a hit. I did a segment.

[Trey Kirby]

He was a real dick during the segment.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. And like he was. He must have who knows. Who know what was going on in his life. I'm making excuses for him now, but like he was just very like rude and mean and I don't think he wanted to do it. Didn't know who I was, didn't care to know who I was. Like, who cares? I guess. But like it's a good life lesson, you know? To me, it's like when I go on people that are like. Like nobody podcasts, you know, I hate to say it like that, but you know what I mean?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Lesser known podcast starting out. Yeah. I'm trying. Nice. I'm trying to be nice.

[Tas Melis]

Sure.

[Jay Skeets]

But he Wasn't. Never forgot. It really pissed me off.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Good. Yeah. So that's mine. And you know, by all accounts is a nice guy and people like him and all that, but not to me,

[Trey Kirby]

like a nice guy.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, exactly.

[Trey Kirby]

Surprising. I was definitely in that era too. I thought you'd go with. This is maybe a deep cut. When we first got our first air quotes jobs for. Took us several years. We got hired at the Score.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

There was an individual who didn't want us to get hired. He wanted no part of that as we were kind of taking the shine of his talent. You mentioned talent. You don't know who I'm referring to? No, I actually don't remember. We, we got all of our fans to email in to the Score and say, hey, let them, let them know that we need to be hired there. We deserve to be hired there. And no, it's not coming to anybody. Cabbie Richards producer.

[JD]

I, I know exactly who you're talking about. I just can't remember his name.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I know. That's why it was a Dave.

[Jay Skeets]

Dave. It was not Cricks.

[Tas Melis]

Cricks.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's who it was.

[JD]

Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he, he's long forgotten. Yeah, he's long forgotten.

[Jay Skeets]

But you're right, you're right.

[Trey Kirby]

He didn't want us hired, so, so he put a, put a call out, cancel the email account. We don't want anyone to see these, you know, but anyways. But listen, people make mistakes. Like somebody wrote as a comment here, back to your Lebiton. Somebody said, why does it feel like Tas hates Spencer Jones? Because we interviewed him yesterday. Spencer Jones.

[Tas Melis]

But I think you're the one that booked him.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I think Dan Levitard can't be mean. I, I, I, there's no way.

[Jay Skeets]

Hey, man, I know. That's what makes it weird. That's makes it rationally strange. I get it. But he was mean to me. Me, when no one. When it wasn't on, we weren't live. You know what I mean?

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, it was pretty.

[Jay Skeets]

This. I should make it clear. I didn't make it clear. It was like before the recording, whatever we did, whatever we talked about. Yeah, he was surly, he was prickly with his producer. It was like I was putting him out. And I'm like, I'm like going like, I don't want to be here. Like, it's like, what are we doing doing here?

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, yeah, so you had somebody at booking your.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, that's. And that's what makes it even worse, right? It's like, oh, oh. And the cameras are on. Hey, everything's copacetic. But I, I, I saw him. I, I got to experience him behind the scenes.

[Trey Kirby]

Was his dad there? No, that was tv. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

This he like. And if you asked him, he would have no clue what, what I'm talking about. This is, that's right.

[Tas Melis]

It's like, that's how you know it's a real beef. One person has literally no.

[Jay Skeets]

Hell yeah.

[Tas Melis]

I got three more people. I'll never drop a grudge.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, you're, you're a good grudge guy.

[Tas Melis]

I'll never forget. I will never forget Chris Weber. I've forgiven him.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

But I, I held it in my heart for a long time the way he dissed us on our very first day.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Batv. But he won me back, and I was an easy mark on that one. I wanted to like Chris Levin.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

And then he was nice to us.

[Trey Kirby]

Then he was, what, what did he do to us? Cuz that's a good story.

[Jay Skeets]

That's the Gong Show.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

He's like, hey, Kenny, straight up did a fake gong. Look, did we put a guy in a po. A fish with his sock feet out with a zoom in on his socks? Yeah, we did.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

That was a crazy move. But we set the tone. And Chris didn't like the tone at that point.

[Trey Kirby]

See where I called us the Gong Show.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[JD]

But the best part was it was that was to promote the show. Like, they're like, hey, put a clip of this show on. It's a new show on our network.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[JD]

And he's like, this show is sucks.

[Trey Kirby]

This show is awful.

[JD]

Like, who does that?

[Trey Kirby]

And it was a couple years.

[Jay Skeets]

Not a team player.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, no, he was not.

[Jay Skeets]

That's funny.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, Yeah, I, I hold that too, because I remember a couple years later when he sort of made up for it when he tweeted about. Oh, the starters are having a great conversation about Larry Sanders of Milwaukee.

[Jay Skeets]

There we go.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he made up for it.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah, he really made up for it. We were actually like, like we hung out with him for an all star weekend. New York, New York City.

[Tas Melis]

That's right.

[Jay Skeets]

We, like, we hung out in that weird room for a long time, chopping it up with him. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

That's when our buddy Grish basically cornered him and asked him 4,000 questions.

[Jay Skeets]

He's from Detroit. That's exactly what happened.

[Tas Melis]

We had to win him over.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

My other two beefs, Michael Rappaport, of course.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, Michael Rapport.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, exactly. We'll never, we'll never forgive that one.

[Jay Skeets]

Forgot that one.

[Tas Melis]

We've been completely vindicated on that one. This guy is the worst.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

And he called us nerds. He pretty much called us nerds.

[Jay Skeets]

And that guy is. You are literally, Trick. Kirby, you are literally 80,000 times cooler than Michael Rapop.

[Tas Melis]

Hey, thanks, man.

[Jay Skeets]

You are. And we called this early. You're right. That's a good one, man. I'm upset I didn't include that one.

[Tas Melis]

And my last one is former Chicago Bears wide receiver Curtis Conway.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

I went to Bears training camp in I believe, Platteville, Wisconsin. Curtis Conway was the big rookie for the Bears that year. And he signed an autograph for the kid to my right. And he signed an autograph for the kid to my left.

[Jay Skeets]

That's tough.

[Tas Melis]

And then he sucked in the NFL.

[Jay Skeets]

Sorry, Curtis.

[Tas Melis]

Those are my three additional beefs that I'll reveal on air. How many other people beast do I got?

[Jay Skeets]

Quite a few. We've got other names. We'll leave it there. Should we save this last question? What do you think? You want to do it now?

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, yeah, we can save it. Sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Let's save it. Let's save it. We're running along here.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, we are.

[Jay Skeets]

Jared, we'll get to your question next time we hit the beach. It was a good one too. What? Bite. Well, bite of the night. Sponsored by DJ Pribble Scribble. Let's go. What is this, the tweet of the week shoutouts? That's Joey. DJ Prbble Scribble sponsoring Woah Boy. On behalf of his wife and her puzzle team called Puzzle Block Party. Katie, Lizzy, Josh, Maria. Competing at the Jigsaw Nationals in Atlanta here this weekend.

[Trey Kirby]

This weekend.

[Jay Skeets]

I got excited for this. I didn't know this was a thing. I got a million questions.

[Trey Kirby]

JD's got the answers. He talked about it yesterday.

[Jay Skeets]

How does this. This work?

[JD]

How do I know this? I've seen. This has appeared in my algorithm. I think when you hit 55, this is the kind of content okay, you're given. It's competitive puzzle making. There's tables. It looks like a chess tournament. There's like everybody has their own table. There's four people around the table.

[Jay Skeets]

When we say puzzles, we mean like classic jigsaw puzzles. Jigsaw puzzles. Okay.

[JD]

Ready, set, go. And then you. It's literally open the. The box of puzzles, dump the. Dump the. The puzzle pieces and get. Have at it.

[Jay Skeets]

This is nuts because, like, that's turning something. Like putting together a puzzle is actually, I don't know, therapeutic relaxing for A lot of people. This is now flipping it on its head and going, go, go.

[JD]

Exactly.

[Jay Skeets]

Not that one, you idiot. Jesus. Stressed out thinking about it.

[JD]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[JD]

I mean, those, they're not easy. They're like 5, 5, 4,000. Well, however, a thousand piece, whatever.

[Jay Skeets]

And they're doing it as a team

[JD]

or doing it as a team.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[JD]

Against other teams.

[Trey Kirby]

Crazy. Yeah. And everybody has the same puzzle that they're working against. Every team versus team. Start the clock.

[Jay Skeets]

Go.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Holy moly.

[Trey Kirby]

I can see that.

[Jay Skeets]

What's the strategy? I mean, obviously the outside, I guess, first. But I'm a noob. But maybe.

[JD]

Maybe everybody has a job, right? Like, you take a corner, you. You do the middle.

[Trey Kirby]

Hey, you get the cat.

[JD]

The cat's eyes. Look for the eyes. I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow.

[Tas Melis]

I wonder how long a match is.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[JD]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Two hours. I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

You can find out. I would think we can go to the Georgia Convention center this weekend.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow, what's it called?

[Trey Kirby]

Find out.

[Jay Skeets]

What's it cost to get.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't know.

[JD]

For visitors, 150 bucks.

[Trey Kirby]

For fans, they charge fans.

[Jay Skeets]

That's incredible. Well, we are cheering for puzzle Block party. Let us know Joey, come Monday. How. How the team did we hope you guys win? Well, boy is Jokic. We'll go with Yokage. Donovan Mitchell scored 42, but Jokic, NBA leading 29th triple double of the season. He had that early in the third quarter, guys. Shot 9, 16 from the field. Finished with 23 points, 17 rebounds, 17 assists. And we forgot to mention this earlier in the week, one haircut, he got trouble. Trimmed up. He's got a fresh haircut. Happened on the weekend, I believe. And he's looking tight there, so I put that on the graphic for a whole. Boy, that's a first one haircut. That's good. Yeah, he didn't have any blocks or steals or something, you know. You know, this was for the triple double, but he got a haircut, so. Good for you.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Wasn't it a little longer ago? Did he clip the sides too, or are we just talking?

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know, man. He got a haircut. He got a haircut on the weekend. I saw him with a barber. He looks better.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh. Oh, really?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow.

[Tas Melis]

I didn't know that there was footage of him getting.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, there was a photo with. It looked like a selfie with him and his barber. Unless I got duped by AI, but I think he. He had it shaggy. Remember? We were just on it. We literally brought it up and then it Is a little tighter. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

But definitely.

[Trey Kirby]

Anyway, I didn't know that. I'm not going to get into it.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, you got to be careful watching haircut footage on Instagram, because next thing you know, you're just getting warrior fades with a burst cut or something. I watched, like, one. One guy get a fade, and now suddenly I'm seeing so many different hairlines,

[Jay Skeets]

there should be a button that you can just say, that's enough.

[Tas Melis]

Don't include this one.

[Jay Skeets]

Like, I got it. I got it. I was into it. You got me on one video. I was intrigued enough by the thumbnail or whatever the start. But I'm good.

[Tas Melis]

Just a taste.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, There's.

[Trey Kirby]

There's a. An option, right? Don't show me stuff like this.

[Tas Melis]

There is. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

That's.

[Tas Melis]

Sometimes.

[Jay Skeets]

I didn't say that.

[Trey Kirby]

But you click the little three.

[Tas Melis]

Didn't say that.

[Jay Skeets]

I said every once in a while. Oh, throw that in there. Pepper. Not all the time. It's like, you're so black and white. I watch one video on this, and then you're like, oh, this guy loves this. It's like, no, I don't, but I guess it's trying to convince you. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. Like, I love watching Jigsaw puzzles being put together.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, interesting. Yeah, I'd watch that.

[Jay Skeets]

Probably just watch. Okay, note this right now, everybody has their phones on them, right?

[Tas Melis]

I got mine.

[Jay Skeets]

I want you later today when you're on Instagram, no doubt scrolling, or whatever you're doing, you're going to get something about puzzles, probably about the actual thing happening here in Atlanta. Tell me when it happens, because they're listening.

[Tas Melis]

I gotta be out. I gotta be out of this. Because I did go to their website.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, so it's all. Oh, geez. It's already.

[Tas Melis]

It already knows about. Already knows.

[Trey Kirby]

I did that, too.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, well, then I'll keep an eye on it. I haven't done that.

[Tas Melis]

Please do.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, but a lot of the times, I mean, we have. It feels like half the same algorithm half the time. Like, good luck trying to share something in our group and saying, anybody seen this? And everybody. Somebody's like, yeah, I saw that. Yep.

[Tas Melis]

Echo chamber.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep.

[JD]

The puzzle thing is in our Google

[Tas Melis]

Docs, so they got us every which way.

[Jay Skeets]

Jesus. All right, well, I'm going to make note when it gets no doubt fed to me on my Instagram account later today.

[JD]

Okay.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

Are you the missing piece? Join the National Puzzlers Association. Bring your team to Jigsaw Nationals in Atlanta.

[Jay Skeets]

See how. How do you think we would fare putting together a puzzle bad?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I think we did pretty good.

[Jay Skeets]

I recently put together a puzzle with your kids.

[Tas Melis]

How many? How many pieces?

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know. That was a crazy cat puzzle.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, that was a crazy cat puzzle.

[JD]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

That was like.

[Jay Skeets]

I hadn't done a puzzle in a while and I was working with. With both. All. Both of your girls. All the girls were involved.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought we had a pretty good team. You know what? I'm going in with them. Me and the girls.

[Tas Melis]

Smarter, smarter. The pattern recognition, the young eyeballs.

[Jay Skeets]

I think they had. Maybe some of them had had some experience with said puzzle already. There was no doubt.

[Trey Kirby]

That was a tough one. I think it was more than 300.

[Jay Skeets]

That was. That was a weird puzzle.

[Trey Kirby]

Big, bigger. Because I did 301 literally yesterday and I can already feel the stress I was feeling yesterday getting it on with my girl. Let's go. Let's do this. Took us longer because kids are better. They just like do other stuff. I was just locked in. I needed to get it done.

[Jay Skeets]

All right. From puzzles to pick em task got the win last night. Nuggets won but didn't cover. The line was five and a half. Right. They had to win by more. We had the Suns. Sorry. We had the Nuggets to obviously clear that you had the Suns.

[Trey Kirby]

I won there. I also won for the first time using fanduel predicts.

[Jay Skeets]

Did you?

[Trey Kirby]

I took the Phoenix Sun.

[Jay Skeets]

You had a trade with somebody.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. That's bogus.

[Jay Skeets]

What did you make?

[Trey Kirby]

This peer to peer thing is bogus.

[Tas Melis]

It's bogus.

[Trey Kirby]

I literally selected the Phoenix Suns to cover.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Immediately. How do I know there's somebody on the other end taking that side? I could just bet it. It. It's just gamble.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, you can't bet it though. Legally you can't bet it.

[Tas Melis]

You just predicted it in la.

[Trey Kirby]

I predicted.

[Jay Skeets]

That's the work corrected something else here in our state. That's the worker.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. That's the workaround. But this whole peer to peer thing is you're gambling. We all know it. We all know it. Every kalshi, every poly market, every single app. And that's why we're all playing it. If you're a Robin Hood, you can predict. That's bogus. It's all bogus.

[Jay Skeets]

How much did you make? Do you mind me asking?

[Trey Kirby]

Well, how much did. The only reason I played, I was given credited $25. I went to go play. $25.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

But there was a fee. So then I'd have to get my credit card out. The fee was 3%. Okay, so I didn't pay that. I paid 20. I. I bet $20 against another peer somewhere in this world who accepted the offer on the other end and I won seven. I don't know what I want.

[Jay Skeets]

Money. You're paying for the tickets to the Jigsaw.

[Tas Melis]

Do they have a market for a purple scribble here at Jigsaw Natural? Maybe to solve under two and a half hours. I'll take it.

[Trey Kirby]

You can bet on a lot of things.

[Tas Melis]

Lizzy's been pretty good lately.

[Trey Kirby]

Two and a half.

[Jay Skeets]

Lizzie's got an eye right now.

[Tas Melis]

Visual acuity.

[Jay Skeets]

Maria's been working the corners real quick.

[Trey Kirby]

You can bet on anything thing. I would not be surprised if you could bet on the Jigsaw Nationals.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, you could set it. That's the thing in these prediction markets. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Now let's predicts.

[Trey Kirby]

Or you can just call money mills. Let's bet on something. But yeah, the prediction market. What a. What a world we're living in. Thunder at Celtics today.

[Jay Skeets]

Here we go.

[Trey Kirby]

Another finals preview. Perhaps. The Celtics, three and a half point underdogs at home so they can lose by three. You can have a close game where the Thunder just won by three if you're taking Boston. That's why I was comfortable taking them. Skeets as well. Well, Trey, you think the Thunder are going to go into Boston and win by four or more?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I think so. But it'll probably be the Thunder win by three.

[Trey Kirby]

That's the.

[Tas Melis]

That'll be disappointing for me.

[Trey Kirby]

Good thing for us is that it's just a two gap difference between Skeets and Trey here.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it's tight.

[Jay Skeets]

Tight.

[Tas Melis]

It's tight task.

[Jay Skeets]

You're clear. You're good.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Five nights remain, I guess technically, is it five? Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Surprisingly long month.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, that's a bit of a surpriser. So, yeah, I'm up.

[Jay Skeets]

But I'm really in trouble if I don't get this one tonight. Yeah, like I know I technically could do it, but not looking good. I need. I need the Celtics to cover.

[Trey Kirby]

And we still need a suggestion for our march. Pick them payoffs. So send them on in.

[Jay Skeets]

Guy has to do a jigsaw puzzle

[Trey Kirby]

well during the show.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that's not a lot, but it's kind of funny to imagine a guy just doing a puzzle the whole time.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, we. I guess it could be an all week thing. It'd have to be. I don't think you're getting it done in I picture a Thousand piece classic puzzle of a couple dogs at a poker table.

[Tas Melis]

You know, man, I. I hate a thousand piece puzzle.

[Trey Kirby]

That's all.

[Tas Melis]

I'm too.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, so it sounds like. Sounds like a payoff to me.

[Tas Melis]

That's hard.

[Jay Skeets]

Just leave it here all week. Just all week. That'd be so tough to do while also doing the show.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Because I don't think. My mind doesn't work that way. I need to focus. I'm pretty good at puzzles, but I got to be focusing on it. I'd be like, what, Javon? Carter, what are you talking about?

[Trey Kirby]

That'd be hard.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[JD]

Yeah, well, there would have to be a punishment for not finishing the puzzle, though.

[Jay Skeets]

Another puzzle.

[JD]

Good.

[Jay Skeets]

Just keep adding puzzles to keep doing puzzles. Be stressful. All right, so Celtics, me and tas, plus three and a half. Okc. Gotta win by four more. Four TK that's it. That's a long one. Wow.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. This is a long one.

[Jay Skeets]

How'd that happen?

[Tas Melis]

A lot of questions.

[Jay Skeets]

I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. This was the drop for me. It was because I'm gone for the rest of the week.

[JD]

I agree.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm out of here, man. I'm going hiking in the Great Smoky Mountains. Nice. Yeah. Yep. I got to get away from the grind. I didn't even work yesterday. But I am gone for the rest of the week. So you guys will be holding it down Thursday and Friday. Excuse me. And TK And JD holding it down on no bus. That's tomorrow as well.

[Trey Kirby]

That is.

[Jay Skeets]

So join those guys at 1pm Eastern. But, yeah, I'll miss you guys. I'll be listening. I don't think I'll be tuning in live, but I'll be listening later. So enjoy these guys with their content on Thursday and Friday.

[Tas Melis]

Friday.

[Jay Skeets]

Enjoy these guys in their content. Who says that?

[Tas Melis]

Enjoy our content.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm checked out, man. I'm mentally checked out.

[Tas Melis]

Enjoy these guys and their content.

[Jay Skeets]

Should we get how long the drive's going to be? You want to get that on the prediction market? How long?

[Trey Kirby]

How long from the city of Atlanta

[Jay Skeets]

going to Gatlinburg, Tennessee? The gates. Oh, one of the gates to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. He's already been, so he can't answered.

[Trey Kirby]

I haven't been Gatlin.

[Jay Skeets]

You've been together?

[Trey Kirby]

No, I have not.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

It's part of my algorithm, though I've definitely seen some.

[Jay Skeets]

It's near Dolly World, isn't it? Or Dollywood.

[Tas Melis]

I Guess.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know. I think it's somewhat close.

[Tas Melis]

That is.

[Trey Kirby]

Huh? That was not the direction I was going.

[Jay Skeets]

Where were you?

[Trey Kirby]

Like, I didn't think I was going to Dollywood. Dollywood. I think I was going east. I thought I was going more east.

[Jay Skeets]

Got it. Mosquito. That may have been a mosquito.

[Trey Kirby]

Anyway, Scotlandburg is just.

[Jay Skeets]

Just.

[Trey Kirby]

It's just a quick 2:10.

[Jay Skeets]

You know, I'm going to be outside soon. That mosquito knew I was going to be hiking soon. Yeah, sorry. Hello.

[Trey Kirby]

Two hours and ten minutes.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, no, no. Four hours plus my guy.

[Trey Kirby]

That far?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. I was going to set the line at four and a half is how long it's going to take us because we got to stop to get supplies. Got to buy bear spray.

[Tas Melis]

Got to.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Do you have any?

[Tas Melis]

We don't have bear spray.

[Jay Skeets]

Damn.

[Tas Melis]

No. We got everything else for camp. Not bear spray.

[Jay Skeets]

I know, I know. I need bear.

[Tas Melis]

I scare them away personally. That's my strategy.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I mean, you're probably scared going to a Bucky's. I would hope so. I hadn't thought about it. Yeah, there's got to be one between here and Gatlinburg, Tennessee. I think there is. Okay.

[Tas Melis]

There's one out one hour outside of the city.

[Jay Skeets]

All right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

You're thinking that's too early to stop on a road trip, but it's not.

[Jay Skeets]

Not if you see a bucket perfect length to stop. All right, so, yeah, I'll see you guys on Monday. But these guys are here tomorrow, so join them and hit the like button and subscribe and hit the five star ratings and reviews and enjoy our content. Yes, enjoy the content from these guys, just like I will be. Until then, Clover Bros. You heard it here first.

[Tas Melis]

Have a great time. Turn up.

[Jay Skeets]

Love you guys.

[Tas Melis]

Awesome.

[Trey Kirby]

Thanks for joining us. And remember, Skeets is off to Gatlinburg. That's my segue to ask, where did you book your hotel?

[Jay Skeets]

Through Airbnb.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah, Airbnb. That's why it's in my algorithm. They're like, go to Gatlinburg.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow, nice.

[Trey Kirby]

Airbnb.

[Jay Skeets]

I've infiltrated your algorithm.

[Trey Kirby]

No, no, it's been around.

[Jay Skeets]

It's just.

[Trey Kirby]

It's a place to go from Atlanta.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

You know, I didn't know it was four hours away, but I've got a dream. Airbnb. It's in my algorithm.

[Jay Skeets]

Really?

[Trey Kirby]

Locked it.

[Jay Skeets]

Ours looks pretty nice, right on a nice little river. Could do fishing if you wanted.

[Tas Melis]

Are you in a hotel or like a.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, it's in like a cottage looking place.

[Tas Melis]

Okay.

[Jay Skeets]

Cuz hot tub, baby. After hiking all day, you know we're hitting the hot.

[Tas Melis]

That's nice.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

You want some poles? You want fish, fishing poles?

[Jay Skeets]

No, we're just going to be. We're just hiking all day Friday, hiking all day Saturday. No time for fishing, but no time for fishing. You know what? I'm going to regret it when I get to that. And I see a river literally running right beside our cottage going, man, that'd

[Tas Melis]

be nice to be kind of had a pole.

[Jay Skeets]

Especially all this worm talk too. How do you fish? Is this fishing?

[Tas Melis]

You can do that. You can definitely do that.

[Jay Skeets]

I know this is.

[Trey Kirby]

You know how to throw a spear, get a fish. Isn't that what they do in Survivor?

[Tas Melis]

Oh, Zach Brown style.

[Jay Skeets]

My take my tactical gun. You might go spear fishing in the river. Yeah, for sure. All right, guys, thanks for joining us. Did we see clipper Bro, like 40

[Tas Melis]

minutes ago, I think.

[Jay Skeets]

All right, well then see these guys tomorrow and follow me on Instagram for some great photos of the Great Smoky Mountains national park race today, people.

[Tas Melis]

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