Knicks Grind Out Win, Spurs Bounce Back & Alperen Sengun Voted Most Overrated Player

Summary

No Dunks – May 7, 2026

Episode: Knicks Grind Out Win, Spurs Bounce Back & Alperen Sengun Voted Most Overrated Player

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Episode Overview

In this episode of No Dunks, hosts Je Skeets, Tas Melis, Trey Kirby, and JD break down the dramatic finishes and major storylines from the NBA playoffs’ latest Game 2 matchups:

• The New York Knicks' gritty win to go up 2–0 on an Embiid-less 76ers squad, and the resulting fallout due to late-game injuries.
• The San Antonio Spurs' blowout response against Minnesota, tying their series 1–1 behind a determined Wembanyama and a big bench effort.
• A deep dive into the results of The Athletic’s anonymous NBA player survey—especially the eye-opening “overrated/underrated” debate, with Alperen Sengun topping the overrated list.
• Noteworthy moments from the night, quirky off-court happenings, and quick hits on playoff trends and player/coach reputations.

The tone is lively, analytical, and peppered with jokes, pop culture, and in-depth basketball insight.

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Knicks vs. Sixers Game 2: Knicks Grind Out Gutsy Win

[03:32–20:44]

Jalen Brunson’s Steady Leadership:

• Brunson led the Knicks to a 108–102 win, taking a 2–0 series lead despite missing Mitchell Robinson (illness) and the Sixers missing Joel Embiid (hip/ankle). (03:38)
• “This game featured 25 lead changes… the most in a playoff game in 11 years and 14 ties. Neither team led by more than seven points… this game has a frantic quality.” — Je Skeets [06:46]
• Trey Kirby praised Brunson’s clutch shot-making, especially his slow-motion spin and bucket against Dominic Barlow: “It was a hell of a shot. Oh my God. It’s a two-point game with four minutes left, nobody hitting shots, and to see Jalen Brunson get into his bag…” [05:48]

Sixers Scrappy But Gassed:

• Tyrese Maxey played almost the entire game, leading a thin and exhausted 76ers squad: “The guy played almost 47 minutes. He just sat for one minute in the first quarter…” — Trey Kirby [04:17]
• Fourth quarter woes: Sixers went 1-for-10 from three, turned cold after hot early shooting (especially from Paul George and Oubre). [07:07]
• “The Sixers are gonna regret not stealing this game… they’ve got to win four of five against the Knicks, who are playing their best basketball yet.” — Tas Melis [09:40]

Dominic Barlow’s Unexpected Impact:

• Unexpectedly key for Philly: “Who the hell is this guy?” — Barlo played tough defense and made hustle plays, though a brutal late turnover stood out. [09:28]

OG Anunoby’s Injury Fallout:

• OG left the game late grabbing his hamstring: “If there ain’t any OG Anunoby… that does help out the Sixers…” — Tas Melis [10:17]
• Skeets asserts: “Can they win the series without OG? Yeah. Can they win a championship without him? No way… best two-way player, I think so.” [10:53]

Knicks’ Versatility & Foul Trouble:

• Unsung hero: Karl-Anthony Towns’ playmaking surge. “Seven assists last night… he had never had more than five in a playoff game before these last five games. Unbelievable.” — Tas [14:37]
• Knicks survived foul trouble, with Cat and Huck Porty both logging big minutes and critical fouls. [13:44]

Notable Quotes:

• “Triangle Towns is a revelation… Since Devil wears Prada 2 came out, Karl-Anthony Towns: 18 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists on 76% true shooting.” — Tas Melis [15:46]
• “Try and wrap your head around Tom Thibodeau using Cat like this. …Mike Brown unlocking this here.” — Skeets [16:08]
• Pigeon takes over MSG: Third quarter, a ball gets stuck (“pigeon”); Andre Drummond and Cat try to dislodge it, crowd goes wild when Towns finally succeeds. [22:45]
• “Call me Mike Tyson. I’m good with pigeons.” — Towns, postgame on his pigeon skills [24:36]
• Richard Jefferson’s broadcast critique of VJ Edgecombe: “Well, we also gotta call out these dumb plays. That was a dumb foul!”; leads to a fun courtside moment with Spike Lee. [26:07]

Fun Moments & Sidebars:

• Josh Hart’s self-talk after a tech: “Great closeups of him just literally talking to himself… trying to get himself back.” — Trey [27:54]
• Kelly Oubre Jr. first-quarter interview: “I’m a knockdown shooter. I look in the mirror and say that every day…” [29:14]

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Spurs vs. Timberwolves Game 2: San Antonio’s Statement Blowout

[32:23–42:59]

Spurs Flip the Script:

• San Antonio destroys Minnesota 133–95 to even the series. Victor Wembanyama (19 pts, 15 rebs) and a massive bench showing—especially Julian Champagnie’s third-quarter barrage (3 consecutive threes)—sealed it early. [32:49]
• Wemby’s approach: Played inside-out, attacked the rim, “came out on a mission.” [33:11]
• “San Antonio came out with determination and desperation… Wemby set the tone.” — Tas Melis [33:12]

Key Plays & Adjustments:

• Pre-game, Bismack Biyombo’s “bump” workout showed how Spurs prepared Wemby for physical play (as the “bump guy” on staff). [34:27]
• Individual brilliance: Devin Vassell’s “alley-oop three” at the shot clock buzzer called “incredible,” “in the air before the ball hit his hand.” — Je Skeets & Trey (35:13)
• “Run and dunk show” in 2nd Q: Spurs put up 29–5 fast break point advantage, running T-Wolves off their own misses and makes. [40:16]

Wolves Lethargy/Ant’s Admission:

• Minnesota flat; Anthony Edwards played limited minutes, “came out cool,” admitted, “my mama used to tell me that a hard head make a soft ass—that’s what happened tonight.” [38:55]
• Carter Bryant deployed as an “Ant stopper”; notable bench minutes from Keldon Johnson.

Fun Details:

• Wolves out-dunked 8 to 1, including a Harrison Barnes late dunk.
• Conversation about eating during games, sightings of “gummy worms” on the scorer’s table, and Donovan Mitchell eating diced pineapples on the bench. [43:30–44:30]

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The Athletic’s Anonymous Player Poll – Overrated, Underrated & Coaches

[45:59–65:16]

Most Overrated Player: Alperen Sengun

• Only 81 anonymous player votes cast; Sengun leads with just 10 votes.
• “That's more of an aggravation amongst other people—they just don't like the dude.” — Trey Kirby [47:06]
• Cited for “crying every play” and perceived softness; echoes what players and some coaches have told him. LeBron reportedly told him “you’re the only guy here that shouldn’t be crying about it.” [50:03]
• “Expectations—that's what comes with overrated. People are saying we thought more of you, or we expected more of you…” — Skeets [67:41]
• Runner-up: Rudy Gobert. Trey Young 3rd.

Notable Quotes

• “Dude, just play hard. That was Kevin Durant's—‘you can put my name to this one’” — Je Skeets [47:37]
• “If I'm going to do it, I'll put my name on. Trey Young.” — Tas Melis [51:04]

Most Underrated Player

• 151 votes, 89 players received at least one vote—showing diversity of opinion.
• Top: Jalen Johnson, Derrick White (4% each). Others: Jaden McDaniels, OG Anunoby, Austin Reaves, Brandon Ingram, and Shaden Sharpe. [55:17]
• “Derrick White—he’s just our new Mike Conley. …One of the best players not to make an All Star team, I think now.” — Skeets [56:25]
• Tas notes the “Taskmallis All-Star List” shows up: “Colin Gillespie, Chris Dunn, and Ryan Rollins all got votes.” [55:17]

Coaches: Least/Most Impressive

• Least impressive: Brian Keefe (Wizards), Doc Rivers, Doug Christie. Notably, players couldn't remember Keefe's name, just "the guy who coaches the Wizards." [58:07]

• “I have to imagine some of these votes were taken after Bam went for 83 on the Wizards…” — Tas [58:52]

• Most impressive: Joe Mazzulla (Celtics), Mark Daigneault (Thunder), J.B. Bickerstaff (Pistons), Erik Spoelstra (Heat) [63:46]

• “Players don't really care about the other team coaches…” — Tas: 21 coaches got a vote for most impressive; 22 for least impressive. [64:59]

Best Defensive Player

• Victor Wembanyama: 41% of the vote—ran away with it but “should be higher.”
• “Unanimous Defensive Player of the Year but couldn’t get every vote from the player…” — Tas [65:31]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Knicks-Sixers:

• “This game featured 25 lead changes… frantic quality to it.” — Je Skeets [06:46]
• On Jalen Brunson’s fourth quarter shot: “It was so good I had to watch it in slow mo.” — Trey Kirby [05:41]
• “If there ain’t any OG Anunoby, that helps the Sixers… but OG has been their best two-way player.” — Skeets/Tas [10:17]
• Crowd’s reaction to the “pigeon” ball stall, “call me Mike Tyson, I’m good with pigeons.” — KAT via Skeets [24:36]

Spurs-Wolves:

• “San Antonio came out with determination and desperation… Wemby set the tone.” — Tas [33:12]
• “My mom used to tell me a hard head make a soft ass. That’s what happened tonight.” — Anthony Edwards (quoted by Skeets) [38:55]
• “They ran the Timberwolves off the court.” — Tas [40:06]

Survey/League Chatter:

• “That's more of an aggravation… just don’t like the dude.” (on Sengun) — Trey [47:06]
• “If I'm going to do it, I'll put my name on. Trey Young.” — Tas [51:04]
• “Derrick White—he’s our new Mike Conley.” — Skeets [56:25]
• “Players don't really care about the other team’s coaches.” — Tas [64:59]
• “Unanimous Defensive Player of the Year but couldn’t get every vote…” — Tas [65:31]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Knicks-Sixers Game Breakdown: 03:32–20:44
• Spurs-Wolves Blowout & Adjustments: 32:23–42:59
• The Athletic’s Player Survey Analysis: 45:59–65:16
• Notable Quotes & Sideline Moments: 22:45, 24:36, 27:54, 29:14, 35:13, 38:55
• Miscellaneous Fun (Pigeon, Gummy Worms, Eating Rules): 22:45, 43:30–44:30

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Additional Fun & Closing Notes

• “Wo Boy” of the night: OG Anunoby (24 pts, 5 rebs, 4 stls). [71:02]
• The hosts riff on the best place to get lunch in Birmingham or a sports bar in New Orleans, with Skeets preparing for a wedding road-trip (78:03).
• Hockey tangents: discussions of the NHL playoffs, rooting interests, and the origins of prospect Gavin McKenna; plus “longest bridge in America” chat. [73:52–81:17]
• Survivor TV episode promoted for the afternoon show.

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Summary

This episode captures No Dunks at their best: accessible deep dives into big games, quirky NBA culture, and league-wide debates—all delivered with wit, banter, and on-the-ground fan passion. If you missed it, you’re now prepped for all the buzzy NBA playoff storylines, from OG Anunoby’s crucial two-way impact and Jalen Brunson’s poise under fire, to Wemby’s coming-of-age performance, quirky sideline moments, and the always-fraught conversation around which players and coaches are really “underrated” (or not) in the eyes of their peers.

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[Je Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

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[Je Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

A lot more people excited about voting for overrated and underrated. Oh yeah, way higher amount of people.

[Je Skeets]

We'll get into it, but we had some game twos to dissect here. Let's start with the knicks taking a 20 series lead. Jalen Brunson scoring 26 points as they get the 108102 victory over the Philadelphia 76ers up 20 again. Like I said in the semifinals now, no Joel Embiid suddenly ruled out with a right hip and ankle injury after waking up with soreness and being unable to go through the 76ers morning shoot around. No Mitchell Robinson for the Knicks though. He had an illness so we were down some big guys here. Tas. Obviously a huge loss for the Sixers not having Embiid, but they were scrappy and it was a game.

[Trey Kirby]

An absolute heartbreaker for the 76ers because they were so close. Tyrese Maxey leading the way. The Guy played almost 47 minutes. He just sat for one minute in the first quarter and they're leading. They won his minutes in that first half by seven. Even in the third quarter when the guys replacing Joel Embiid, Andre Drummond and Adam Bona get in foul trouble, here comes Dominic Barlow and that guy was playing incredible defense that this Knicks team was barely leading them at times. So into the fourth quarter with Dominic Barlow flying all over the place, blocking in the quarter, grabbing offensive rebounds to tip them out. The only problem in that fourth quarter was that the Knicks felt comfortable doubling Tyrese Maxey and then scrambling to get back to Dominic Barlow because he doesn't have a post game really. So he, he had an opportunity inside, but it didn't work out there. Still, I went back and just watched this fourth quarter because it was a two point game with four minutes left. When Jalen Brunson made that move on Dominic Barlow, it was so good I had to watch it in slow mo. I'm watching on NBA.com in slow mo and when you get the slow mo version, you hear the broadcasters doing their drunk voice like Richard Jefferson. And Barlo's done an excellent job. He's actually settled their defense.

[Je Skeets]

And to see how slow. Were you watching this clip, man? A 25.

[Trey Kirby]

It was just a 0.5. Did I do a.025? I don't know.

[Tas Melis]

I was like a bane. Like a slow mo bane.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe, maybe. Cuz I watched it so many times I got slower. Yeah, but it was a hell of a shot. Oh my God. It's a two point game with four minutes left with nobody hitting shots in that fourth quarter to see Jalen Brunson get into his bag. And then the spin over Barlo and then VJ Edge come, misses a three point shot at the other end. The guy couldn't hit one shot in the fourth quarter. And then just a crazy Knicks play where they are able to get a basket where Josh Hart loses the ball, he's on the floor, somehow he gets it back, gives it to Og Anunoby, somehow that guy's blocked by Paul George and somehow it gets to Mikhail Bridges who gets into his bag and scores in the mid range at six points and it's over. So on the other end, Vijay Edgecombe did hit a shot in the fourth quarter, Paul George didn't hit a shot in the fourth quarter and Tyrese Maxey had a hesi after that. That was really nice. But he only went two of seven. Was he tired? I don't care about that. It was just the other guys that they played so many minutes, couldn't get them there in the fourth quarter. So close. Yeah, yeah. It was a heartbreaker.

[Je Skeets]

This game featured 25 lead changes, which they told us was the most in a playoff game in 11 years and 14 ties. And neither team led by more than seven points at one point. Breen said, this game has a frantic quality to it and it did for a majority of this game and even down the stretch there. But yeah, did the Sixers just completely run out of gas at the end

[Tas Melis]

TK I do believe so. They're going Frank Sinatra mode. Regrets? They've got a few because first and foremost the fourth quarter. One for 10 from three. They had some like desperation looks that added up in the final couple of minutes, but a lot of pretty good looks. I thought with no embiid out there, there's nobody to get like the slowdown baskets when you're bricking away from outside. It'd be nice to have a guy just hit a 15 footer or somebody else besides Maxi draw a second defender so that Maxi can play a little bit more easily and free. Yeah, the minutes definitely added up for Maxi. I think he was much better in the first half than the second half though. I was loving what I saw in the first half when he's like posting dudes up.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, yeah.

[Tas Melis]

To small induce McBride. I think you also got to throw in the fact that through 3/4 the Sixers had 16 turnovers. This shouldn't have been a clutch game. Philadelphia should have been up much bigger than they were going into the fourth quarter. But because they turned the ball over so much, let the Knicks get out in transition and turns into a clutch game that favors the home team, that favors Brunson, that favors the Knicks last night. And they pulled it out in the end. Also crazy. Like Sixers shot 12 of 24 from three through three quarters and then one for 10 in the fourth quarter.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, that's what it was, man. The fourth.

[Je Skeets]

They were, they were hot early. I mean, Paul George couldn't miss a three to begin this game. Kelly Oubre Jr. Was hitting corner threes on both sides, on both corners. But yeah, it dried up there. And you're right, there was a few that like that Paul George one right near the end was like that massive air ball. It's, you know, they're down 5. I think the clock is obviously running out here. You got to get a three pointer, but not even close. Bit rushed, but yeah, Vijay had a couple really solid looks, I thought. And then there was that other one. I mean, as great as he played, Dominic Barlow was awesome. He gave them a lift off the bench for sure. You know, filled up the box score, a bunch of rebounds, did score a couple blocks, but he had that one play where, yeah, they doubled on Maxi off the pick and roll up top. They hit him, the short roll, man. And he either probably should have just shot it or took it to the rim or at the very least kicked it out to VJ for three and instead he thought he could hit Kelly Oubre Jr. Cutting back door and he just. He just threw it out of bounds. It wasn't even close. Guys being asked to do a lot here in this situation. Though he did play a lot of games this year. He did start a lot of games. So I'm seeing some people reacting to Dominic Barlo today, like, who the hell is this guy? It's like, well, okay, you were not

[Tas Melis]

watching Sixers games at all, and I

[Je Skeets]

guess you're not a G guy.

[Tas Melis]

Skyhawks game.

[Je Skeets]

That's right. Skyhawks fan. But he did play this year, but. Oh, that, that one. Oh, I wish. He probably wishes he had that particular playback. Otherwise, he was great.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, big turnover, but I mean, who knows if VJ even makes the shot. He was wide open. It was just an absolute brick fest. So, yeah, the Sixers are gonna regret not stealing this game. They've got to win one on the road. 11 heading back to Philadelphia, you're feeling pretty good. Instead, they got to win four again, four of five against the Knicks, who are playing their best basketball they've played yet. But maybe a silver lining for Philadelphia. Ogdenobi. The reason he missed that dunk going baseline is because he came up lame afterwards. Looked like he was grabbing at his hamstring, got blocked at the rim, asked out immediately after. OG's been at worst their second best player. I mean, I mean, I don't know. Brunson's been awesome.

[Je Skeets]

He's.

[Tas Melis]

He's kind of getting overlooked this playoff run. He's like, he's going to pour in 30 a night. Doesn't even matter. But Towns has been so good. Brunson, like I'm saying, has been good. And then OG has been nonstop throughout both rounds of this playoffs. He's their best rim defender. He's their second best rebounder. Because Towns does pile up the rebounding numbers for sure. But if there ain't any og, Anunoby. That does help out the Sixers because Paul George can guard Carl Anthony Towns, which lets Bona or Drummond or Barlow or maybe Embiid comes back, lets them roam a little bit more. That helps the defense for Philadelphia for sure if there's no OG out there. But we'll see. We'll see how much time he actually ends up missing.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, we don't know. I don't think even as of this morning, like last night, Brown's like, I don't know. I got no status on him because he, you know, it happened late in the game, right? Two and a half minutes. He checks himself out and doesn't Return to the game that they pull out, but he's def. Was definitely hobbling. You're right, TK So look, can they win the series without OG Yeah, they could. Can they win a championship without him? The way he's been playing? I don't think so at all. No way. On. On both ends. OG May. Yeah. Has he been their best player for the Knicks this postseason? Maybe not, but best two way player? I think so. Pretty easily, actually. So we'll see. We'll wait and see. Because that could change, you know, obviously, the outcome of the Eastern Conference Finals here or even to the Finals task. But I'm getting ahead of myself, I guess. But I don't know, with these injuries anymore, it's like, we've come on here so many more. It's like, yeah, it'll be okay. And then you're suddenly like eight hours later. It's like they're done for the year. You're like, oh, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. I was on NBA official a lot yesterday after Joel Embiid's announcement, which are the releases that come out every 15 minutes now in response to NBA gambling that happened at the beginning of the season and all that. We're going to have every single one of these reports happen. So you can't just drop it 15 minutes before the game. And I'm not seeing anything here on OG they still got time. They still got time on that one to come out, but we will be checking every single 15 minutes. And there's great. The tough part about OG and I'll be playing ridiculously great for every other team is that it's trickled down to Mikel Bridges, who's started really slow in this postseason and then ended the first round really great, and now he's playing great. So it's hard not to imagine the Phoenix Suns from 2021 when Mikhail Bridges was way down on the roster order. But then they got to the NBA Finals. So watching the Knicks pull this one out, they're halfway to the NBA Finals, have won six now, just six more wins to go.

[Tas Melis]

I've never thought of it that way, but that's a great way to put it. You got to win 12 to get to the final.

[Je Skeets]

Usually 16 wins. Yeah. Looking at it like six and six.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Because they're being math, Melis. Because yesterday there was lots of parts of the broadcast that said, oh, they were down 2:1 to the Atlanta Hawks, which is true. But now they're absolutely playing their best ball right down to the wire, where I thought maybe Paul George being Guarded by Carl Anthony Towns in that fourth quarter could help him out. But even though he was able to get space on Colin Towns, the shots just weren't falling. Vijay Edgecombe was over four. One really nice altered shot by Cat, but the other three open threes, bang, bang, bang, misses. Even Quentin Grimes, I thought at one time, who along with Kelly Ouber, were the other guys playing minutes in this game, aside from the bigs and, and your Maxi, Paul George and VJ Edge come. I mean, he could have found Dominic Barlow at one point, but he just wasn't looking there at one point. So, yeah, 12 points. And then that was again a real heartbreaker in the fourth quarter. To score 12 like that in a

[Je Skeets]

game where the Knicks were in all sorts of foul trouble too. I mean, Huck Porty obviously gets a bunch of minutes, but he gets picking up fouls left and right when he was out there. And then Cat had the two early ones, so he sits down. Mike Brown goes to Jeremy Sohan with the normal haircut. I had forgotten about that. He played a little bit at the five. But then Cat starts the second quarter and he immediately picks up his third foul. 45 seconds in for tripping Maxi. And he absolutely did it. It's just one of those classic, I think posting and toasting called it. One of those forehead slapping fouls that you see from time to time from Cat. You're like, are you doing, man? You know you have two, you know you have no Mitchell Robinson. Huck40 can't play out there because he just picks up fouls left and right. Obviously in the end it didn't matter and he had a good game, Cap, but that was like it was looking like it was going to be, oh, this is how the Sixers are going to win this. And this will be the talking point from a Knicks loss. A classic Cat game where he's like doing these bonehead fouls, but they pulled it out and he had a good game.

[Tas Melis]

Picking up fouls against Joel Embiid, that's understandable. But when it's the Boner and Barlow tandem, not quite as exciting. That being said, I like Triangle Towns. This guy is a revelation. Seven assists last night. In his last five games, he's gone 10 assists. Six, 10, six, seven. He had never had more than five in a playoff game before those five games. Unbelievable.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, he's enjoying so much. Just chucking the ball around too, right?

[Tas Melis]

Guess what? Course, guys, for seven assists, nobody cares that you took eight shots or fouled that all those times. This is weaponizing Everybody, the numbers have been a little bit skewed because the Knicks have blown out teams, the Hawks and the Sixers, so often, but it's like they're getting three 20 point per game scorers every single night. Brunson will get there, Towns will be close, and then usually OG was the guy. Bridges is getting close. I think he maybe wants to send the Hawks a gift basket as well because that Game six really untracked him. He's like, wait a second, I'm super fast. If I run every time, I'm going to get so many easy buckets in transition. That gives him the confidence to go and be aggressive, looking for his shot in the half court. But since Devil wears Prada 2 came out, Carl Anthony Towns, 18 points a game, 11 rebounds, 6 assists on 76% true shooting.

[Je Skeets]

Wow.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it's pretty good. Pretty good.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Especially in a game where he had foul trouble. You wouldn't know it looking at the box score. He was so good when he was on the floor to find everybody.

[Je Skeets]

I mean, I guess OG Anunoby was cooking too, since he was on Friends and Neighbors. He was having a great little run here.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, but I don't know that anybody actually watches that.

[Je Skeets]

I've. No, I don't know. I've never met anyone either. But I wonder if Zach Lowe and Rachel Nichols takes have been hotter since they've been on Friends and Neighbors too. Something to look into, the little television bump here. But yeah, Cat was awesome. And it is funny to try and wrap your head around Tom Thibodeau using Cat like this. It's tough to like, picture. I just don't see it, you know, sort of more of a stuck in his ways type of coach. You're a big man, you're a seven footer. What do you do? Why would we have you out there operating? So they've done a great job, Mike Brown unlocking this here.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, but Mike Brown didn't even use him like this.

[Je Skeets]

No, it's a good point.

[Tas Melis]

Until like game 86.

[Je Skeets]

It's a good point. Maybe he was just.

[Trey Kirby]

Did he say it in his back pocket?

[Je Skeets]

I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

Or did he save it until they were down 2:1 essentially in the first round? Because it obviously has come through. You mentioned him just whipping it to corners. Was that a replay that I'm envisioning in my head that I'm having a flashback to seeing him? He's holding it like a baseball.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Where he goes to the right corner.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of

[Trey Kirby]

that camera angle is so good. Yeah, he did.

[Je Skeets]

I think he. I mean, this guy's got giant feet. He had giant mitts, I think, too, because he does just easily hold it like a softball. Either a guy's cutting back door or cutting the corners. And yeah, he's seems to be enjoying this. And it's a great point, Trey. About, like, nobody cares. There's not a whisper about how many fouls or how many shots did you

[Tas Melis]

take in this game? No, he's super involved.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, that's exactly right.

[Tas Melis]

And it's a great way for, like, him to stay engaged. Like, he doesn't have to feel like, okay, I'm finally getting the ball. I have to make some kind of crazy play, lower my shoulder, get called for an offensive foul instead. He's just part of the rhythm of the offense. Everybody's getting open. Things are easier for Brunson. Like, he has to be taking less of a beating now than he has been through most of their playoff runs, where he's playing a little bit looser and freer free, which, like, leaves him with a little extra juice in these fourth quarters. Because the difference was, like, Barlow was doing an awesome job. He was moving his feet. He was making the challenges tough. But you give Brunson enough reps against a guy like Barlow, he's going to figure it out. Just put it up a split angle a little bit higher and drop it in nice and easy. So this seems to be the way that the Towns and Brunson pairing should work. And it just took a couple of years to actually figure out how to get it done.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. And even on the defensive end, I mentioned that Vijay Edgecombe miss in the fourth quarter, his first shot of his four shots in the fourth quarter, where the other three were just missed open threes. Carlton E. Towns really did alter Edgecumbe driving into the hoop, and it was there. That layup was absolutely there. But Carlton Towns is a monstrous man, and he did a good job of altering that. While Dominic Barlow was just so good. I think there could have been another block on. On the box score that wasn't there just because of another foul. He was there when Jalen Brunson dribbled it into his in the last couple minutes there and got credited with the steal. Dominic Bar released by the spurs, let go by the Hawks. And here he is. He's. He's peeking. Nobody knew who this guy was, obviously, as we watched him courtside in the G League game. And he. He's grown up and, you know, when you see somebody in the G League and obviously they have this journey throughout all the basketball leagues, you think maybe this guy's older, still super young. He's a super young guy that can be here for a long, long time. That was their fourth center last night with Bona and Drummond getting into foul trop. Bona was pretty good though, too.

[Je Skeets]

He was.

[Tas Melis]

He blocked shots and rebounded.

[Je Skeets]

They brought energy to Bona.

[Trey Kirby]

Popped many times to block those two shots. It did.

[Je Skeets]

Do you think the 76ers have the energy to get back in this series, TK to, you know, extend this and make it go six or seven? Or is this looking more and more like, let's say Knicks, maybe not sweet, but five? This was.

[Tas Melis]

This feels like the game they needed to win to pull off an upset. I still think they can win in this series. You know, tighten up the turnovers, I think, and play with the speed they were playing with. Like, the pace was actually down last night. But I think that's because in Game 1, the Knicks had so many run outs that it kind of upped the pace for everybody.

[Je Skeets]

A lot of fouls last night.

[Tas Melis]

A lot of fouls last night. But I also thought that the way like Sixers were getting into their. Their offense was a lot quicker because, you know, no embiid out there, which they slow down and get him the ball. Effective for sure, but it's just a different style. So I think the Knicks will be more ready for it if they know going into game three that there's not going to be an embiid and we're seeing like a Maxi Edgecomb sort of thing. It's just going to require great shooting. Like, Maxi was so good in the first half. The guy tired absolutely. In the second half, Nick's got really smart with the way they were trapping him, making anybody else beat him. He had six turnovers last night. He had nine in seven games against the Celt. So definitely feeling it more from the Knicks. It feels like the series is over, but they just need to win game three. That's a must win game for Philadelphia.

[Trey Kirby]

Totally. And if we get into the nitty gritty, I think O.J. nova, if he does come back, I'm going to be pretty specific here. But Paul George had an open shot to start his incredible night. He hit it from the 11, 11 foot shot, not a long jumper. OG and Anobi, I think, can close that space even more. So, like it was a little too open. I thought if I'm on the Knicks bench, he can stick with him, even if he's super close, he can stick with Paul George going past him. So he hit that 11 foot shot. Then he goes to the three point line and starts banging home everything. So he hits his first four shots. Had an incredible game until the fourth quarter when not one single shot went down for him. But he shot 5 of 13 from 3. So I think, I think you can get. Whether it's an OG or Mikhail Bridges closing that space a little bit. The Knicks can improve is what I'm trying to get at. And we'll see if OG does play because the Skechers didn't help. His ankles did. He hurt an ankle and I think

[Tas Melis]

it was his hamster.

[Trey Kirby]

It looked like a hamstring. Okay.

[Je Skeets]

A lot more, I think.

[Trey Kirby]

All right, good. Because I didn't want to talk about his Skecher shoes. His Skechers rain not doing their job and talk about the andium shoe that Spencer Jones uses.

[Je Skeets]

Didn't want to talk about.

[Trey Kirby]

Didn't want to talk about it.

[Tas Melis]

Don't blame the Skechers, man.

[Je Skeets]

Sketchers just signed up. WNBA deal with the entire league, I think.

[Trey Kirby]

The whole. What? The whole league.

[Je Skeets]

I don't some. My wife told me this morning. I didn't look it up, but I'll take.

[Trey Kirby]

I pulled a real Richard Jefferson there. I don't want to talk about this, but I'm going to talk about this.

[Je Skeets]

That's a classic. Well, we'll find out here. Yeah. As we go to game three. And we don't know. Embiid status. We don't know. Oh, geez, the status. We. I mean, look, I think he'll play. Josh Hart did get injured in this game too. To the point where you're like, oh, that looked bad. But of course he, you know, he sucks it up and plays. Any Skechers WNBA news.

[Tas Melis]

They do have a league wide deal.

[Je Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

I don't know what that means, but they got one.

[Je Skeets]

So it's like skims with the NBA.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, but it's shoes, you know, like Nike has a deal with the NBA, but they do jerseys. Like I don't think WMA is going to be wearing Skechers jerseys.

[Je Skeets]

What's going on here? I don't know, man. I don't know. A couple random notes from game two in New York last night. The highlight of the night had to have been in the third quarter. About eight minutes to go. We had a pigeon. Oh my God. Carl Anthony Towns, he had a crazy one that he got up there on top of the backboard. That's for those that don't know a pigeon, when that ball is stuck up in the top of the stanchion there like it was. So, Tyrese Maxey, like, here, Andre Drummond, you're tall. Poke it out with this broomstick. All right, I'll go and do that. And he does. Boom. And then it takes a crazy bounce. Box right back in. Legler lost his mind on the broadcast. Just cackling away. And then the crowd turning on Andre Drummond, start booing him because he can't dislodge the pigeon. Here comes Cat. I got this. And he knocks it out in one clean swoop. He took a better angle at it. You know, take note of that for anyone in this situation moving forward. And the fans went nuts. Shallow Knights, let's go. He loves a. You know, a ball stall. I guess so. Yeah. That was fun. They showed literally, like, their version of Jurassic park outside Madison Square Garden. Reacting to Kat, getting it dislodged. Hilarious.

[Trey Kirby]

Very, very fun.

[Je Skeets]

So we've got no wedgie through the entire postseason so far, it's been a long drought. There's been what feels like, at this point, five or six potential wedgies, like, almost stuck even one in this game. We nearly had one that was like, oh, that was close. But at least we got.

[Trey Kirby]

This is my point.

[Je Skeets]

No postseason wedgies, but an epic, epic pigeon.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, gosh. Yeah. So good. So good. And you're right, Carl. Anthony Towns didn't poke it sort of back towards the crowd. He came and poked it towards the floor, and it really, really worked. He commented on it afterwards. So he did that. They literally asked him post game. He said something like, yeah, I've got experience doing that. I know what I'm doing. Because he's a big guy.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Call me. Call me Mike Tyson. I'm good with pigeons. He had said that.

[Trey Kirby]

Mike Tyson. I thought I thought of every pigeon line while watching.

[Je Skeets]

You can fact check me. But I thought Mike Tyson literally kept pigeons.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, he loves pigeons. Absolutely. He does.

[Je Skeets]

Okay, good.

[Tas Melis]

It just makes you more impressed that Obi Toppin, he jumped up and got a pigeon.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, they did reference that on the broadcast.

[Tas Melis]

Amazing.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Is he the only guy that can do it? Because, like, I mean, Wemby's got to

[Je Skeets]

be able to do it.

[Tas Melis]

Wemby doesn't jump like Obi.

[Je Skeets]

He is true.

[Tas Melis]

Like, that's the thing, is, like, you got to find the perfect combination of, like, 40 inch vertical and 6, 8 or taller.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. I mean, Wemby doesn't have to jump 40.

[Tas Melis]

That's true. I'd like to see 35. You know, he can get the wedgie out of the rim with his foot. Remember that?

[Je Skeets]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Right.

[Tas Melis]

So I'm thinking new All Star weekend activity. We set up. It's almost like an obstacle course. We'll throw like a wedgie in there. We'll have a pigeon.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Maybe some other weird ball stall factory and just come up with creative ways to get it out. Yeah, like a skateboarding competition.

[Je Skeets]

The ball stall challenge of some sort that we're in charge of. We could be on the floor doing like, oh, baby, we can do that for that stuff.

[Tas Melis]

It's like a reverse dude. Perfect. The shot has already happened and it went poorly. But here's how we get it out.

[Je Skeets]

You're saying we're perfect dudes. We are perfect dudes.

[Tas Melis]

We gotta rebrand the channel.

[Je Skeets]

My only other random note was a funny little scene with VJ Edgecomb talking to Spike Lee because he's obviously there courtside. And this was after Vijay picked up a dumb foul, full court on Brunson. I thought Richard Jefferson was pretty funny on the broadcast because they were praising Vijay. Edgecombe's. His game as a rookie. And then is like, well, we also got to call out these dumb plays. That was a dumb foul. But yeah, then Vijay's just chopping it

[Trey Kirby]

up there with Spike, making him laugh.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Jason Bateman was loving it, too. I loved you in Zootopia. And Zootopia, too. Jason Bateman. My kids definitely did. Yeah. And that was after I wondered if they were talking trash because he just hammered Brunson, who was.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, he was apologetic. Yeah. Like twice went up to him and Richard didn't like that. He's like, you don't do that during the playoffs.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah. Mike Breen said, are you. Are you being serious?

[Je Skeets]

Richard? He's a lot. He's dead serious.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes, I'm dead.

[Je Skeets]

And then Legler backed him up a little bit, like, oh, okay, you guys don't like sportsmanship, I guess. But I was thinking watching that exchange, I'm like, oh, VJ Edgecombe. I could see you in a Spike Lee movie down the line.

[Tas Melis]

Definitely roll.

[Je Skeets]

Good looking guy. Seems charismatic. I'm charismatic.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah. If. Yeah, Lots of. Lots of charisma. If you happen to be on the NBA app and you happen to look at the NBA stories, he seems like he's always in them. He's always good. You know, social teams from every team do the. Ask them a random question. What's your favorite sandwich?

[Tas Melis]

And.

[Trey Kirby]

And quite often they're Just like boring. But he's got so much personality. So much.

[Je Skeets]

What was the sandwich? Do you remember?

[Trey Kirby]

I don't. I made that up.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

As far as his go. But anyway, I will say somebody who talked to himself a lot last night was Josh Hart.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Because he got the tech. So then from there on he had to just yell at himself.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, that was hilarious.

[Je Skeets]

It was just like stomping and stuff.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. So many times. Great close ups of him just literally talking to himself to try and get him back.

[Je Skeets]

Because there was. After he got the one tech, there wasn't. He was pissed about something about a no call or something. Or call on. I can't remember. And Cat was literally like. Cat was pushing him to the bench. Yeah, he sort of pushed him too hard though. Yeah, hard. Didn't like it. He wanted to get upset with Cat, like, hey, I'm fine. But you know, Cat's trying to protect him. He's like, you're getting awful close. Also that's Tony Brothers and Tyler Ford on this call. The two worst. Some of the worst. So, yeah, you gotta be. You gotta be careful. So Cat was helping him out.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. After Josh Hart got that tech, it was a Paul George and 1. Paul George goes to the line because he thinks he's shooting. And one. Oh, and then the text coming, he's like, okay, I'll be here. But then Tyrese Max is like, hey, that's mine, man. Get out of here. And what's funny is that Maxi hits the tech. Paul George comes in for the. And one shot. The N.1 fell. He misses that one. Oh, you know, a little irony there.

[Je Skeets]

Max free throws last night. And I bring that up because he never does. I think he had been on a heater there in terms they said he

[Tas Melis]

missed his first one of the playoffs and then 34 straight.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

So I mean, it's ironic the other way around, that guy shooting the tech and then missing other free throws.

[Je Skeets]

Well, I just also, maybe, maybe there is some fatigue there with the guy.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Je Skeets]

Missing on the line. Doesn't happen.

[Trey Kirby]

Missed one in the fourth quarter.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. Anything else?

[Tas Melis]

Kelly Oubre did the interview in between first quarter and second quarter and one of the things he said was, I'm a knockdown shooter. I look in the mirror and I say that every day. Yeah, I believe it.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

He seems like an affirmations guy to me.

[Je Skeets]

Sure.

[Tas Melis]

He also continued, obviously last series my clip was jammed. He is shooting 24% from three so far in the playoffs. But you know, just talking to the mirror and you'll be feeling fine.

[Je Skeets]

Change the mirror. What did he finish last three or six last night. I mean, you're gonna live with that.

[Tas Melis]

Brought it up, yeah.

[Je Skeets]

Anything else?

[Trey Kirby]

No.

[Je Skeets]

Okay.

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[Je Skeets]

let's move to the blowout game from last night. Wembanyama. 19 points, 15 boards. Not a single pigeon retrieve though. But the spurs handed Minnesota its worst post season loss in franchise history. They beat the Wolves 133 to 95 to even their series at one game a piece. When did you log off last night with game two in San Antonio. What was the play or what was the quarter? Whenever.

[Tas Melis]

The third straight three from Julian Champagne.

[Trey Kirby]

Night, night.

[Je Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

That was the game for me. It was like, it was all. It was like 11:00pm Eastern Time. halftime it was like what, like a 25 point game?

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

So I said, all right, I'm giving, I'm giving Minnesota until 11:15 to make this interesting. It was still interesting. Like got to 20. I was like, okay, it's not 30 yet.

[Je Skeets]

Right?

[Tas Melis]

And then Champagne went nuts. I was like, okay, we are good to go here. This was a blowout victory for the spurs and I think they could have won by even more because they despite how well they played in the first half, they were still turning the ball over, missing some easy shots. But the most impressive thing is that San Antonio came out with determination and desperation. Minnesota came out and turned the ball over three times on their first three possessions. I really thought Wemby set the tone here. And a pretty sweet bounce back game for this guy after blowing game one at home. Doesn't look good. Everybody's down on the spurs saying wow, we slept on Minnesota. The guy came out on a mission to play inside out. After taking a ton of threes in game one. I thought the spurs did a really good job of getting involved in him the ball in scoring positions rather than playing from the outside facing all five Minnesota defenders who every time he dribbles are like pack, pack, pack, pack, pack. The paint. It got tough for him. That's why he had to take so many threes in game one. But here he's getting his first lob of the game. He's getting the ball in the post they're throwing. He's getting busy on the offensive rebounds. I loved when they showed that pre game bump workout. He's getting smacked and it like went right into him. Backing down. Julius Randle for a nice layup. That was pretty cool. Was that Bismack Biyombo that was bumping?

[Je Skeets]

I thought it was.

[Tas Melis]

I did too.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

And that like clarified something to me because I was like, why do they have four centers on this? One of them is just a smash into Wemby in the pregame.

[Je Skeets]

He's the bump guy.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, he was great. Fox was in attack mode all night long. Wemby and Fox had 16 points in the first quarter. They had 21 total in game one. Totally different mindset from the Spurs. Much better approach. And then it just turned into a run and dunk show in the second quarter.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, I turned it off personally when Devin Vassell was hitting alley oop, three pointers.

[Tas Melis]

Unbelievable.

[Je Skeets]

That's when I said, okay, this one's a wrap because that was an incredible play. Having the wherewithal to know the shot clock was expiring champagne sort of bobbling it there on the baseline. He's gonna give him the grenade at the last possible second. Devil is like almost, almost into his shooting motion before the ball hits his hand.

[Trey Kirby]

I think he's in the air.

[Tas Melis]

He is.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, I thought his toes were okay anyway. Yeah, it's incredible.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Je Skeets]

And it was like a smooth looking, beautiful three point release.

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[Je Skeets]

Splash it. And that's when I said, okay, good night.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

They're calling him Teemu. Danny Green.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes. And I'm like, okay, that's pretty good. Yeah.

[Je Skeets]

Well shot.

[Trey Kirby]

Danny Green couldn't do that. Danny Green couldn't be in the air. Usually when we talk about a three point shooter with a no dip, you have your feet on the ground. His feet were off the ground. He was already.

[Je Skeets]

He was already jumping.

[Trey Kirby]

He was already jumping kutch. And it was a perfect spot too, because he didn't have to pull up his hands at all. It was just in a perfect spot to let it go. It was awesome. But you're right, Wemby was getting a better. Getting the ball in better spots. He was also super patient. I think that one you're talking about with against Julius Randall in the second quarter after Bismack Biombo was shown banging him in practice. He took a sweet time against Julius Randle and was able to body him, spin and score. And then the next possession it was against Jane McDaniels spinning on him. That's. That's not going to work for Jane McDonald's. He missed, actually. But then he was. He's the big guy. He was able to grab his offensive board, so he was great on that end. He Was obviously great on the other end and he's such a team guy. What he really praised after the game was how his team was on a string defensively and was just talking about that. I loved how everyone had everyone's back tonight. Looked like a system that worked. It really was a system. When Luke Cornett is blocking a shot in the first quarter and pointing at his own bench like this, this isn't, this game isn't over, Luke, we don't have to get super excited, but he's pointing at somebody on the bench who was clear with the role, the job of everybody. And so they were on a string last night on both ends.

[Je Skeets]

Darren Fox, I thought looked much more assertive too in his decision making. Two for two from deep. He was over four in game one. So like we was setting the tone and I thought this was an interesting note from Mitch Johnson. After the game he said how the spurs are at their best when Fox is in attack mode. Quote. He has probably the strongest ripple effect on our team in terms of when he's in an attack mode and he's pushing the pace, end quote there on Mitch. So yeah, this is a good game, a good result if you are a Spurs believer that they can win a championship here, right? It's this type of like, we lost game one, had a chance to win it right at the buzzer, didn't. And how do we come back? And it's like ass kicking like this where you're like, oh yeah, that's what elite teams do. No question now, now they got to go win in the target center and all that. And I don't think Minnesota played well. I think at this point, like Ant came off the bench again. This is a game he shouldn't even have played. Or they should have pulled him even earlier. He didn't play a ton of minutes because it was a blowout. But like I hated, I hated his shot selection. I hated his sort of energy and vibe. And not just him, it was the whole team. He said, we came out cool. Look what happened. My mama used to tell me that a hard head make a soft ass. That's what happened tonight. So he even admitted it. Yeah, hard head make a soft ass, folks. See, but it was, you know, they

[Trey Kirby]

said he was going to play 25 minutes and that's what he played. And because he was at a limit, you know, regardless of the game he. And that's what he played in the first game when they won, when he had those 11 fourth quarter points. But yeah, I totally agree he kind of just put it upon himself to start this game. I'm shooting.

[Je Skeets]

They were just so chill. So chill about it.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. A little more hero ball. And that's when Doris Burke said, five shots and it feels a little antsy. To make him his own impression. He said. And she said, antsy. It feels a little antsy. I think she could have just hit it on the nose a little more. I like it. Ant C. You know what I mean? It feels a little antsy.

[Je Skeets]

Did you see that?

[Trey Kirby]

I. I like things very literal. I thought that would have been a good time. But anyways, it's a good line. He. It feels a little antsy.

[Je Skeets]

Did you see the sign that the Jackals had where they had like, they had like, a cardboard cutout of an ant on its back and then they had a big, like, other cardboard cut out of a can of Raid?

[Trey Kirby]

Pretty funny.

[Je Skeets]

I think it looks like there's a clip where Ant sees the sign. It's sort of tough to tell. It looks like he's laughing at it. He could have been laughing at something else on the bench.

[Trey Kirby]

But anyway, yeah, good sign, good signs, good arena. If the. They still allow you to bring in signs. This doesn't happen in every arena. And I like that.

[Je Skeets]

It was nice. That's a good point. I did, like, two things like adjustments that Mitch Johnson and the spurs made in addition. Just playing obviously a lot more aggressive on defense. They did do a good job of keeping Ant in check. Now, I think he was bailing them out with some of his shots, but, you know, they were. We saw a little Carter Bryant have a fun go at him and try and use that athleticism to slow Ant. And they were just like, forcing him to give up the ball. Yeah. Like anybody else beat us. Let's see it. And that. That was smart. And I think we'll see more of that. And we'll see how Ant and the. And the Wolves sort of counter that. And then in addition to that on offense. And you already said this sort of, but like, just getting into action quicker. They did that much, much better in game, too, where they was like, let's go get into our first action quicker.

[Tas Melis]

They ran the Timberwolves off the court. It started with Randall gets a bucket underneath. Vesel inbounds the ball. The Fox, he outlets it to Carter Bryant immediately for a dunk.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Like, whoa.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Right away, Dave Pash and Doris Burke were calling out the Wolves for their effort. They're like, that can't happen. And then that just continued to happen. 29 to 5 fast break point advantage for the spurs last night. They had eight dunks total. Minnesota had one. Seven different players had dunks. Harrison Barnes got a dunk late in this game. It was just a complete domination. And Chris Finch basically said this happens all the time. Game one, the road team wins. Game two is going to be a blowout. If you come out cool and they came out cool and they got blown out.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. And he's supposedly told him that pre game, but it didn't work out for them. I thought.

[Tas Melis]

Not us.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it wouldn't happen to us. But Carter Bryant, yeah, was. Was good. He was on the NBA official injury report for game one. He didn't play in game one and then came out in this game and was the Anthony Edwards stopper in round two, essentially. And then when they needed him to get in the right spots, Mitch Johnson was there to. To use all that young length to be in front of Anthony Edwards as much as possible and then run. As you said, they're running off makes. And that was the problem with the Minnesota Timberwolves. I thought Minnesota actually tried to respond to it by running themselves and that ain't their game. They don't need to be running like that. In game one. The spurs won fast breaks. It's 2710 and still lost the game. Minnesota doesn't need to do that. And then, you know, it's 29:5 in the second game. So I thought they tried to play too fast, but they also just weren't getting back. Period. I mean, that was clear. Again, off makes. Finch was wrong. It wasn't supposed to be them, but they didn't respond.

[Je Skeets]

I thought. My only other note was Keldon Johnson. I thought gave them quality minutes, like 19, 20 minutes for the Spurs. I think we might see a little bit more of him. Like I thought he matched up well on Randall who had a very quiet game. I mean he likes the big body on big body there. Yeah. So maybe that's something we continue to see here. But great, great performance, great bounce back. And now it's best of five series. And like Minnesota did their part right. They had to get one on the road. They do. Now it goes back to Target center on what Friday night. Can't wait. It's a huge game 3. Can't say it's pivotal, but it's big.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. And I again, I will be checking the official NBA count because I would assume we didn't play in the second half of this game. After game one, he was out with the calf injury. Game two, he plays but then he's out with a heel injury for the second half. So he's got a lot of things going on in that bod.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, he didn't look particularly good in his few minutes in the first half.

[Trey Kirby]

No, I didn't think. No. Yeah. So that. That going forward, I think I'd be more comfortable saying. I'd assume he's not playing game three versus OJ And Obi's not playing game three because OG just. He's gonna fight. But, yeah, he did look. I just didn't look right.

[Je Skeets]

Then again, one of them is up, too.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, maybe.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Maybe neither. Maybe neither. But I did not look right in this game. But either did a lot of Timberwolves, let's be honest.

[Je Skeets]

Anything else?

[Tas Melis]

Rudy Go Bear had an airball alley oop, Dave patch that. I don't know if that was a shot attempt or a pass because it looked like he had a dunk. And then somehow he passed it to a guy in the bottom of the baseline. So I don't know what was going on there. Stefan Castle at one point had a juggling and one drive into the hoop. Ball gets deflected. He grabs it out of the air, finishes, and then went over to the bench and had a nice energy gel.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

You were allowed to eat during a game?

[Je Skeets]

Oh, sure.

[Tas Melis]

They're like, yeah, pop a quick gel before you shoot a free throw.

[Je Skeets]

It's like a marathon runner. You don't think so? No. You have to get all your intake

[Tas Melis]

in before the game or you have to be bench.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, game to go and eat. Oh, wow. Wow. Never thought of that. You don't see it often. You're right. You see water, somebody will hand you a water bottle. You're okay with water.

[Tas Melis]

Not really okay.

[Je Skeets]

You got to be on the bench to consume anything.

[Tas Melis]

I don't want anything in anybody's mouth during play.

[Je Skeets]

Except the mouth guard.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. I saw on the scorers table as they were showing the players, there was a cup of gummy worms. Are those players just walking by? You know, like, quite often we call it G game. We'll see lots of gum in front of us. But those are. Those belong the. To the team. In this case, it was gummy bears. That or gummy worms, I should say that belong to the fans in the first row. Oh, in the spurs arena, they're just. They're so close, the scores tables. They're just fans. Either way, they weren't eating gummy worms. But I do agree, you can't eat on the floor. I saw Donovan Mitchell the other day, like, he was eating. They look like cubed pineapples, I think on the bench.

[Je Skeets]

Diced pineapples.

[Trey Kirby]

Dice.

[Tas Melis]

That's a Rick Ross song for sure.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Diced pineapples. Yeah.

[Je Skeets]

Okay. There you go. More.

[Tas Melis]

You know, pineapple's good.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. We didn't even bring up Castle. He had a good game. I mean, it was like 9 for 9 at the line, 6 to 10 overall, 21 points. It was good and like limited minutes for all the starters, obviously on San Antonio as this thing got out of hand and they ran away with it. And we're tied 1:1. Okay, let's take a break, and when we come back, we're going to talk about underrated and overrated players.

[Tas Melis]

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[Je Skeets]

All right, if you're just joining us, thanks. Hit the like button. Subscribe Help your boys out. NBA players have made their voices heard in terms of who they believe are the most overrated and underrated players and coaches in the league. And we're going to take a look here. Yeah, this coming by way of the Athletic, the anonymous player survey conducted by our old friends at the Athletics. So let's get into the first one here. And this is the one that's got everybody talking. Rockets all star forward Elperin Shengun was voted the most overrated player in the league. Rudy Gobert, Trae Young finishing second. Now, it should be noted that this question was the one that the players were least willing to Answer even anonymously. Only 81 votes cast. So just to put it in perspective, the little graph you're seeing here on YouTube, Sengun was the top vote getter with 10 votes. Okay, so 10 people said Alperen Shengu, but the guy is an all star and I want to hear your reaction task to him being selected anonymously by the players and the rest of the list and maybe who's missing and all that stuff.

[Trey Kirby]

What do you think Sengun and Rudy Gobert, who's number two here, they can get under people's skin. I think that's fairly clear. Sengun, as far as being overrated, I think that was a little cold, a little tough. I don't. I don't consider him overrated myself. I think, yes, I think that's more of an aggravation amongst other people to just don't like the dude.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Well, they're even in the article. There's a. Obviously it's. We don't know who said it, but it's something like, yeah, a guy cries a lot.

[Tas Melis]

He's crying every play. He's talented, but dude, just play hard.

[Je Skeets]

Just play hard. Yeah, dude. That was Kevin Durant's like, you can put my name to this one.

[Trey Kirby]

Now that you say crying the word crying, I mean, the top two players there have cried. If you call these Alper and. Well, if you call this Alper and Shenun crying, you know, it's the same sort of realm of what players think of other players is. Is what I, what I'm getting at here. They don't like, let's go.

[Tas Melis]

This is like hand in hand with LeBron talk. Talking trash to Shengoon at the free throw line. To me, he's like, just shut up, man. You're a softy.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

And that's apparently what at least 10 players in the NBA plus LeBron think of Alper and Schengen.

[Trey Kirby]

But it is interesting, as you said, only 81 votes even though they're anonymous.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Guy. Guys. Well, somebody in the. Again, the article says, like, if I'm going to say somebody's under overrated, I'm basically calling them out saying they're not as good as, you know, maybe the general public thinks I want to put my name to it. So they're actually saying I don't want to do it anonymously. Say that that player sucks or that player's overrated.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. But I think that player also didn't vote.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, true.

[Trey Kirby]

So, yeah, I don't.

[Tas Melis]

I don't fake in the funk.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't buy that.

[Tas Melis]

I'll put my whole chest behind this by not voting.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Come on.

[Trey Kirby]

The athletic.

[Tas Melis]

Worse.

[Je Skeets]

I know. What do you want him to do? Have a press conference to tell the world? Here is who I think is overrated.

[Tas Melis]

Just vote. Just vote and say who it was. One quoted source in here. That would be nice to see.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. The athletic writers would be totally comfortable writing a whole article based on one player. So if you want to say it, go ahead.

[Tas Melis]

I also like the player who was like, yeah, I voted for Halliburton last year and that he went to game seven, the final. So I'm not doing it again.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Now that's interesting. I was gonna say this could be good for Shen. Good. You know, Halliburton winning this category last season, he had 14.4% of the vote last year. I think I got clipped. And I made that show because I addressed the Halliburton was overrated. What the hell was that show again starting.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Je Skeets]

Was it starting five? Yeah. The second season.

[Tas Melis]

You hear me in it for a second.

[Je Skeets]

I'm talking about Halliburton being overrated. Anyway, I'm not saying it. I think I was just doing the little intro. But yeah, this is good for you. Shengu maybe worked out well for Halliburton there at least to go to the finals.

[Tas Melis]

That's true.

[Je Skeets]

But look, I understand why he's here too. He is an all star level guy and has disappearing acts. And I think you're right about the. The whining or the crying part on the floor. Yeah. That's what people are going with.

[Trey Kirby]

As 10 people are going with. As Trey brought up, it was round one when LeBron called him out. You know, we made a clip of it because you can hear it in crypto arena. Exactly what LeBron is saying to Shane. Good. You're the only guy here that shouldn't be crying about it is what LeBron said. So if he's the only guy, you know that the rest of the NBA thinks the same way that you're. You're. You cry more than other people. Is. Is what. What he was getting at. And I guess it's somewhat in line with what Sengun's head coach says about him. About Sengun. Imedioka says get the European out of you. Like, I guess. I guess that means stop complaining. I still don't know what that means. I mean, that was said like a year and a half ago, but I think that's what it means. Stop complaining on the free throats, on everything. Yep.

[Je Skeets]

Who Would you have voted for Trey either from the list that you see or a name that didn't make it, you know, Anonymous. Trey Kirby, who's the most overrated player in the league?

[Trey Kirby]

Anonymous.

[Tas Melis]

If I'm going to do them, I'll put my name on.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, okay.

[Tas Melis]

Trey Young.

[Je Skeets]

Okay. Yeah, he goes. Trey on Trey Violence there.

[Tas Melis]

I mean, he didn't play at all for the Hawks this year. They traded him and they still got better.

[Je Skeets]

Okay. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

You got second for literally his presence being gone was good.

[Je Skeets]

He's made a couple of these overall.

[Tas Melis]

Like 20, 23, I think they said was. Maybe he was the number one guy.

[Je Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. When it comes to All Star votes, even though his, you know, his stats are incredible, the players also vote for All Stars. He's never high, you know, even. Even during the good years. You know, your 28 point Trey Young years, they quite often don't anoint him in All Stars, so that. That makes sense.

[Je Skeets]

What about you? Who would have got your vote?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I never thought. I didn't. I didn't think this one through. I'm not gonna put my name on this one.

[Je Skeets]

No. Here, write it down under the table.

[Trey Kirby]

I guess traders a good one. Who am I missing? I'm comfortable saying whoever I think, but nothing's jumping.

[Je Skeets]

I got one. I got one. They missed Evan Mobley. Oh, no. Evan Mobley.

[Trey Kirby]

He's on there.

[Je Skeets]

Where? He got one vote.

[Trey Kirby]

2.5%.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Je Skeets]

He's too far. He's not on my grade.

[Trey Kirby]

Two votes. Two votes.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Evan Mobley. And this is, like, overrated. This doesn't mean he's garbage. It just means I feel like he's talked about, like, he's a much better player than he has backed up.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, his postseason run, I'd say his head coach even almost rated him too high coming into this season. Kenny Atkinson said he's going to take this next level. And we. Yeah, this was definitely one of the more disappointing stories because we saw a comment, Defensive play of the year, All Star for the first time. So it didn't happen.

[Je Skeets]

I also heard somebody call him Slim Duncan. I was like, what? Evan Mobley? Come on, now we're going way too far. Not even close.

[Trey Kirby]

No.

[Je Skeets]

Not even sniffing that yet. So we, like people just. Yeah, they were projecting and got too far ahead. And that's why I'm going over 8.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe that's an underappreciation for Tim Duncan.

[Je Skeets]

Maybe.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe people just don't respect his game, his. His scoring. Because defensively, yeah, sure. In the same Category, I guess.

[Je Skeets]

But you know, that's overblown.

[Tas Melis]

He's not close to Duncan. Of course not. 15 time all defense or something like that.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, but why didn't he win defensive play? Why didn't he?

[Tas Melis]

There's other good defenders around too, but he should have got one. But I think there are a lot of guys who show up on the list if they do the voting after round one. Shen Gun is still there. Jaylen Brown is definitely there. Ingram is there. Devin Booker is there. And people would have voted for Jokic. Absolutely. After round one.

[Trey Kirby]

After round one. That is totally true.

[Tas Melis]

But who voted for Cody Williams? He's an also receiving votes for this. It better have been his brother as a joke. But who would possibly vote for Cody

[Je Skeets]

Williams, man, to have been his brother.

[Trey Kirby]

You're right.

[Je Skeets]

I didn't think of that.

[Trey Kirby]

The fine, the fine print gets pretty cutthroat as he. You said they just shove them in there. They're not on the graph. But the guys who get mentioned there. Cody Williams, Shea Gildrus Alexander. Overrated, huh?

[Je Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

LeBron James, I mean, you know, you know that this is Anonymous. When a 41 year old man who's played more games than anyone in the NBA has the freaking most points in the NBA is just, oh yeah, that guy's overrated. I will say Pascal Siakam on here. I don't get how he's overrated. I don't get it.

[Je Skeets]

It's just.

[Trey Kirby]

Just good. He's not really rated that high.

[Tas Melis]

Don't forget that he's an all star on the worst team in the league this year. Yeah, that's weird.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. And don't forget that.

[Tas Melis]

But that's weird.

[Je Skeets]

Contracts come into play with a lot of this stuff too.

[Tas Melis]

Sure.

[Je Skeets]

They're like jealousy. That guy's making how much I'm better than him like that type of thinking.

[Trey Kirby]

So yeah, Scotty Barnes on here as overrated. Definitely a part of it is that this happened during the regular season.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Because if it's post season and you saw Scotty play the way he was, he ain't overrated.

[Je Skeets]

It's all timing with these, right? Yeah, for sure. All right, next one here a little more positive. Who is the league's most underrated player? Had a lot more people voting, 151 votes cast. But you know, there was something like 89 players receiving at least one vote. So our leaders in most underrated, according to the players, Jalen Johnson and Derrick White with a huge 4% of the vote. TK so you know, obviously not many people voting for them. But your reaction?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Three Celtics in the top five, plus Drew Holiday who won a title with the Celtics. I didn't know that the Boston media mafia extended to players as well, but this to me just read like the Taskmallis all stars list. Colin Gillespie, Chris Dunn and Ryan Rollins all got votes.

[Je Skeets]

That really is.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. I mean I do like guys like Jaden McDaniels being on here.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, he deserves it.

[Trey Kirby]

That he does deserve it. But as you said 4% for those top two. These are tight. This is tighter than the NBA draft lottery percentages that are coming out next year. That's super tight. Well, well, ranged by these 150 votes.

[Je Skeets]

A lot of love for Derek White though. In the comments in this article, somebody said to me he's one of the most important players in the league when it comes to Derrick White and he's been a leader here in this underrated players list for a couple of years running now. He's always finishing near the top, so maybe not getting his due respect, at least according to these players. I mean, he's just our new Mike Conley. Is he not like really good guy. It's never made an all star team. Probably won't. I don't think. I know. Conley finally got one. Maybe that'll happen to Derek White at the end of his career. I don't know. Yeah, but he's one of the best players. Not to make one, I think now.

[Tas Melis]

Yep.

[Je Skeets]

Anything else, Dad?

[Tas Melis]

I like McDaniels as an inclusion OG Anunoby deserves votes. IO got maybe just one vote and MPJ got votes. These are all guys that I would have on my list. Then there are guys that are. Things are on the wrong list on the underrated list when they should have been on the other one. We just talked about overrated. I'm talking about Austin Reeves, Brandon Ingram and Shaden Sharp.

[Je Skeets]

Austin Reeves is an interesting one. Well, you said Jalen Brown too, but he had a good regular season.

[Tas Melis]

He had a great regular season and he did jump on regular seasons too. He just seems to be a playoff dropper so far in his career.

[Je Skeets]

Jalen Brown jumped on Twitch too. I just want to slip that in there and addressed everything right. Was taken out of context.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Je Skeets]

Okay. He's cool. He's going to be with the Celtics for 10 plus more years. Loves Brad Stevens. That's his guy. Okay. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He said it's unfortunate that Brad Stevens had to do a whole press conference and talk about it and be asked about it.

[Je Skeets]

So there's that something happened yesterday too. At one point I got an alert or I saw in the timeline Twitch alerts. Well, no, Jalen Brown was supposed to be on Instagram Live with Kevin Garnett. And then soon after it seemed like it was canceled and he was then firing up Twitch. Jalen Brown himself. I don't know. KG fell through or something.

[Trey Kirby]

Something fell through, yeah. I will say one of KG's great clips recently was him just loving LeBron James. Like going nuts seeing LeBron James throw a dunk at 41. He's just respected the age. I think he was just loving it, throwing stuff around. That was good clip. Very good clip, I will say. But you're totally right. Throwing in Brandon Ingram there. Brandon Ingram and Scotty Barnes on this list, both of them as most underrated, I would say. Yeah, I can understand why Scotty Barnes on there, the Ingram one would be totally different.

[Je Skeets]

Which current coach, aside from your own, do you find the least impressive way to ask this? Hey, which one of these guys is not impressive too? Well, unfortunately, Brian Keefe ran away with this one 22% of the vote. So 22 people voting for Brian Keith, though, how many of those 22 even knew his name? Because somebody was quoted as saying in the article, I don't even know who's coaching the Wizards, but whoever coaches the Wizards. Holy shit. I mean, this is already disrespectful. That's twice as disrespectful.

[Trey Kirby]

Pretty bad.

[Je Skeets]

You're so unimpressive, I don't even know your name, but I'm going with you because you coach the wizard. So. Yeah. Any reactions to this one? Brian Keefe, Doc Rivers, Doug Christie, were your top three in this?

[Tas Melis]

I mean, I have to imagine some of these votes were taken after Bam went for 83 on the Wizards.

[Je Skeets]

You would. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

And every player was like double A, man.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, it's true. I mean, The Wizards lost 26 of their final 27 games too.

[Tas Melis]

It was coaching. Yeah, it was coaching that did. Wasn't dialing up the right plays. The X's and O's from Brian Keefe could have brought him over the top, but he just kept running out those terrible players they have. That's his fault.

[Trey Kirby]

It is funny to see Brian Keefe on top here because even as a daily NBA show, we also cover every single coaching move and coaching change that happens in two years ago, when Brian Keefe was given the rest of the year or the rest of the season, I believe it was as head coach, we all thought, who's that guy again. I mean we, we all wondered, that's Brian Keefe. We couldn't, we couldn't recognize him in a photo from what I remember.

[Je Skeets]

Oh yeah, for sure.

[Trey Kirby]

But yeah, it's a good point about the Bam game because it's all just timing with a lot of these things, I would say because a lot of these coaches are both most impressive and least impressive. They're on both lists, which is hilarious. But the Keith Doc Rivers and Doug Christie. The Rivers and Christie. I get it. The hate. A lot of hate out there.

[Je Skeets]

And these were obviously these votes were cast before Doc Rivers was leaving the Milwaukee Bucks.

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[Je Skeets]

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[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I mean Mark Dal has the best team in the league and gets great performances out of all those players the Celtics overachieved this year. Makes sense to me.

[Je Skeets]

Okay, anything to add?

[Trey Kirby]

Nothing to add. It's. It's just funny seeing JJ Redick least impressive. Also most impressive. Like they're on both.

[Je Skeets]

And also what's going on with coach of the year, the award? When are we handing this out? When is Missoula maybe getting it?

[Tas Melis]

That's a good question.

[Je Skeets]

Like what are we doing here?

[Tas Melis]

Maybe they're worried that he's going to destroy the trophy sort of thing. So Like, Victor, can you reinforce this in any sort of way? It's like, sorry, man. I put the. The guy in there already. I don't know what else you want me to do.

[Je Skeets]

He puts it in another one. He just makes it twice as big. Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming Missoula wins. That wouldn't have been my vote, but, yeah. It's like, where is it? I know we're waiting on mvp. Still, that. That one makes. Oh, fine. Okay. That one makes sense. I'm. I mean, I don't think the thunder gonna get bounced here anytime soon. I don't know. Maybe. But maybe Pickerstaff won this. Maybe with the Pistons. I think it was gonna be a close vote. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe just mistimed it here. Maybe they thought the Celtics, they were up 3:1.

[Je Skeets]

So they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll do it in the second round. Final one.

[Tas Melis]

I think 21 coaches got a vote for most impressive, and 22 got votes for least impressive.

[Je Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

So basically, players don't really care about the other team coaches.

[Trey Kirby]

No.

[Je Skeets]

Well, they care about this sort of. 151 votes cast for who is the league's best defensive player. And Wembanyama got 41% of the vote. I. You know, should it be higher?

[Trey Kirby]

Scotty Barnes should be higher.

[Je Skeets]

Okay. And then there's a bunch of guys who got a couple votes. Chris Dunn, Kawhi, Scotty, Jaden McDaniels at SAR Thompson, Case Wallace. It goes on and on and on. So I guess I was shocked that Wendy only got 41% of the vote, but still ran away with this TK. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Unanimous defensive player of the year, but couldn't get every vote from the player because, you know, some guys go against guards and not against big men. I suppose the thing that stuck out to me. Chat Holmgren deserves more votes here. He's got the same number as Mo

[Je Skeets]

Gay, and we're big Mo Gay fans. Yeah, he's a definitely better defensive player than him.

[Tas Melis]

I was like, okay, this guy. Well, he was second defensive player of the year, right?

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, he's good. Anything, dad.

[Trey Kirby]

That's nice to see some perimeter players get some respect. Even though I understand Wemby should probably got a 140%.

[Je Skeets]

Two scoops berry version. 140% of the vote. And the latest installment of the Athletics Anonymous player poll just dropped. I think this morning. They asked players if the league's biggest controversies of this season, the gambling, the tanking, the accusations of the Clippers circumventing The salary cap with Kawhi Leonard, whether it calls in the NBA's integrity sort of into question. So that's just up. So they keep sprinkling these anonymous polls out. They had. They won earlier too, maybe a month or so ago at this point with MVP and all that. So anyway, that was fun, really. The underrated. I mean, the overrated really gets people going. You make a graphic out of that, people are going nuts.

[Trey Kirby]

Do you feel like Sengun had a disappointing season, Trey? Because I know you're the biggest Sengun fan and his numbers are good.

[Tas Melis]

Yes, he did. Yeah, he definitely had a disappointing season. The Rockets. Did they overachiever, underachiever. Did they perfectly achieve? I think with Fred Van Bleek going down, you expected more from Sengoon, but I don't know if it's all his fart, all his fart, all his fault. But like the. The chemistry with Durant never really materialized. It seemed like there was a lot of times when Chengun was upset with his team. We now know that the Durant burner was him, basically, and it did have an effect for the team. So how does that throw a wrench into their chemistry? I don't know. He just didn't seem as impressive this year as he did last year.

[Trey Kirby]

Totally. Totally. And that's why, even though we assign his overrated votes to him being a guy who flops or winds on the floor, I think part of it was, yeah, this team could have been better if it was on Changun shoulders. It's a little like Evan Mobley and that you expected them just to be better.

[Je Skeets]

Well, yeah, that's expectations that comes with overrated. Absolutely. People are saying we, we thought more of you or we expected more of you or the growth to be more, whatever. And then maybe you didn't live up to those expectation. And that's not to say either of those guys can or will, but to me right now it makes sense why he led this vote and why I would vote for someone like Mobley.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. And Mobley again, first round, started poorly, then did pick it up. Starting to look better to me.

[Je Skeets]

Mobley just has too many playoff games where, I don't know, Mobley's out there and having very little impact on both ends sometimes. So. And. But he's talked about in this light of like this obviously elite guy and he is super young and he's going to prove me wrong. He'll probably have a monster game tonight, so we'll see there in Detroit.

[Tas Melis]

Okay. Though here on the one today, you're saying that they released. If you were NBA commissioner for a day, what change would you make? Top two votes, no back to backs and fewer games. 16 players apiece, it looks like voted for that. Okay, so, I mean, look, there are easily 32 old guys in the league who would be voting for this. But I do think it's interesting because I remember last year's poll was, would you shorten the season if it meant you made less money? And it was like 95%. No way.

[Je Skeets]

Right, Right.

[Tas Melis]

But they know they don't want to play this many games.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Worded a little differently here. And I feel like the reaction with this poll, too, to tanking was very minimal. Am I right? It was like they didn't really seem to care, the players.

[Tas Melis]

44% said it's a little problem.

[Je Skeets]

A little problem.

[Tas Melis]

28% said it's a big problem, and 28% said it's not a problem.

[Je Skeets]

Okay, so we'll.

[Tas Melis]

More people are saying it's a problem than not.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, compared to last year, if I. If I remember correctly, a lot of the players anonymously said that they despised how fans were all over them about player prop bets and all that. You cost me my ticket. You didn't get to 11 rebounds.

[Je Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

You know, that kind of thing, which was happening a lot. So you can take that as a positive turn here because this seems like I haven't read it, but less fans upset about players. I should say upset about that little

[Je Skeets]

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[Tas Melis]

I looked at it. Yeah, the quarterly zines he's putting out look pretty cool.

[Je Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

Like a Game Informer or a Nintendo Power for us ancient people.

[Je Skeets]

God, I used to love Nintendo Power. Right. Oh my God.

[Tas Melis]

Learn some codes.

[Je Skeets]

Absolutely. Just. I didn't even have it. My next door neighbor had it. He had a subscription to Nintendo.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. I never had a subscription of flipping through those pages. Pages.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. It's great. Just. Oh yeah. And they like remember they would like. Dude, like they show you the whole level of like Mario. Yeah, yeah. Very cool. All right, so thank you Darren for sponsoring. And we'll be checking out pixels and polygons.net OG Anobi. I'm gonna give it to him. I thought about cat, thought about Wemby, but OG man coming through 24 points in the Knicks win. Shot 9:17 from the field. He hit 2, 3 pointers, 5 boards, few dimes, 4 steals is really what got him over the edge here. Had a block too, in 37 turnover. Free minutes too. Guy never coughs the ball up. So good game. Emoji. Another wo boy for this guy. That's his. I don't know, is that his second or third year of the postseason? Good stuff. All right, two games on tonight. They're on prime tonight, everybody.

[Tas Melis]

Prime time.

[Je Skeets]

I thought they were on prime last night so I was panicking. Where the hell are these games? Oh, espn. I totally forgot about espn. I'm like, I'm doing NBC, doing prime. You know, I'm just thinking that way.

[Tas Melis]

Check ion.

[Je Skeets]

That's right.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I'm with you espn. You just don't think of it.

[Je Skeets]

I just forgot about.

[Tas Melis]

And then the old in with the new, huh?

[Trey Kirby]

Yep, just like that. Here come the primer.

[Tas Melis]

Inside the NBA and everything.

[Je Skeets]

But we got prime tonight and it's Cavs, Piston 7 o', clock, Lakers, Thunder 9:30. Detroit and OKC as the number one seeds are up 1 0. So any, any predictions here?

[Trey Kirby]

I'm glad it's on at 7pm Because Common, who does the, the voiceovers for these promos said come on over to Amazon prime at 6:30. I don't know, I'm doing voices, but he said 6:30. I know it's just a preview, it's just the opening, but I was worried. I was worried we're starting at 6:30 for some.

[Je Skeets]

No, never thought.

[Trey Kirby]

I never knew.

[Je Skeets]

I.

[Trey Kirby]

Hey, hey. I love the baseball playoffs. Those Games started from 11am either way.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Both on prime tonight on prime tomorrow. Great stuff. Will we see a better response from the Cavs from the get go? Everybody on that team has to play better. These are the games that can be stole from the home team. The road team can go in and steal after a good game won by the home team. So, yeah, I definitely expect the cast.

[Je Skeets]

Sounds like you don't think the Thunder are going to drop a game. We'll. Will they cover. I think it's 15 and a half again. I know. I know. It started even bigger game one. I think our buddy Griff said it was 15 and a half.

[Tas Melis]

It is. It is 15 and a half currently. I mean, I thought the Lakers. I thought the Lakers would beat the spread in game one, and they did not.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

But it's going to happen.

[Je Skeets]

Okay. Okay. Okay. And you got to feel on Cavs Pistons tonight.

[Tas Melis]

We're going 1 1, baby. Yeah. James Harden's coming through.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, my God.

[Tas Melis]

This is the one. This is the one. I guarantee. Guarantee he will have more baskets than turn.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow. Wow.

[Tas Melis]

Guarantee.

[Je Skeets]

Guarantee. Okay. That's a hell of a prediction.

[Tas Melis]

I've started watching NHL playoffs.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, yeah?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Now that we've slowed down with the number of games that are happening on a night, you can easily flip back and forth. I'm adapting. Or adopting the Anaheim Ducks as my team this year.

[Je Skeets]

Wow. I didn't know that.

[Tas Melis]

They wear orange now.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, they're loud.

[Tas Melis]

They got a lot of young Americans on their team. I'll call them the David Bowie Ducks.

[Je Skeets]

Okay. They. They won last night, 31 over the Golden Knights.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I didn't see the end of it, but.

[Je Skeets]

Sorry I spoiled it.

[Tas Melis]

I had it safe to watch at home.

[Je Skeets]

Who are you cheering for in the NHL playoffs?

[Trey Kirby]

Tom Dundon's team, the Carolina Hurricane.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, the Cheap the Cheap team.

[Trey Kirby]

Hey, they're middle of the pack as far as payroll goes in the na.

[Je Skeets]

Good, Tom.

[Tas Melis]

Dun Dun.

[Je Skeets]

Stevie's a big fan.

[Trey Kirby]

Let's go to Raleigh. Go to Raleigh.

[Je Skeets]

All right, well, you have the Ducks. You have the Hurricanes. Well, I'll take the Canadian team. I'll take the Canadians. Down one. Oh, to the Sabers, though. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Did you see what those wild Buffalo Sabers fans did? You know how they. Every Buffalo fan does that thing. Yeah, they put a.

[Je Skeets]

A.

[Trey Kirby]

It's like a little mannequin thing with a Canadian talkie jersey on. On a table.

[Je Skeets]

So they're just doing what the Bills fans do.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, but they do some songs. They do. They try and make it a bigger thing.

[Je Skeets]

Okay, good. But, yeah, I do like cheering. I like the Sabers.

[Tas Melis]

Exactly.

[Je Skeets]

Because obviously they've never won, right? No, never one.

[Tas Melis]

Not even with Hasek.

[Je Skeets]

No. Wow. But anyway, for the Canadian team, Colorado up on the wild right now in round two. Two Zero Hurricanes up on the 70. Or the Flyers, Two Zero and then Buffalo up One Zero. And then that other one that you just said, Golden Knights and Ducks tied 1 1. Why am I going through the NHL? I don't know. But how about the Leafs winning the number one pick?

[Trey Kirby]

Cool.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Is there a good guy this year? Another Connor? I mean, there's a Connor.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, no, I'm telling you, the number one pick name in the hockey has a. I think it's like, I want to say his name's Gary or something.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, good. Gary.

[Je Skeets]

Who's.

[Tas Melis]

I can tap dance for you a little bit here.

[Je Skeets]

I want to find out.

[Tas Melis]

I saw the no pigeons edition of why so many Jalens in the NBA. It was why so few Jalens in the NHL. Structural inequality is the main reason.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, well, it's not Gary. It's Gavin.

[Tas Melis]

Okay.

[Je Skeets]

I think Gavin McKenna is going to be the number one pick. That's who they're saying. Never heard of him. Place for Penn State, maybe?

[Tas Melis]

Gavin the Great.

[Je Skeets]

Gavin the Great. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Turbo. If you're a Survivor fan, join us at 1pm Eastern today. No buffs. It's on YouTube feeds on podcast feed. Link is in the show notes. Come on over, watch us Talk about episode 11. There was another crazy twist last night. Two people went home. We'll break it all down again at 1pm Eastern. So come join us. They did the Snoopy challenge.

[Tas Melis]

I like it.

[Je Skeets]

That would have been better. Instead of standing on one foot at the end, you just lie down on your back like Snoopy.

[Trey Kirby]

That would be pretty cool.

[Tas Melis]

We had an official review.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Je Skeets]

We literally had this last night.

[Tas Melis]

Jeff Caucus.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Joe Borgia showed up.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, Joe Borgia.

[Tas Melis]

He said no win.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, interesting. I might tune in for Survivor for that reason.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Come join us on no buffs, 1pm Otherwise, you guys are here tomorrow. I am not. I am off to New Orleans for a wedding this weekend. I'm driving, baby.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow, you're already lying back in your chair.

[Je Skeets]

Oh, yeah. So if you have suggestions for a good lunch spot in Birmingham, let me know. Or a good bar to watch basketball in New Orleans on Saturday because the wedding's not till night and I'm sort of, like, hanging by myself. Don't know a lot of people at this wedding, so let me know.

[Tas Melis]

You should go to that place called Sports Drink. I've seen, like, the, you know, ball podcast does, like, live events there.

[Je Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it looks like it. Like, it looks like Gatorade branded.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, that's the place I should go to Sports Drink. You should go to Sports, watch a game. All Right?

[Tas Melis]

I guess. I don't know.

[Je Skeets]

All right, well, get your suggestions into me. Birmingham lunch and cool sports bar in New Orleans.

[Tas Melis]

What are you gonna let listen to

[Je Skeets]

on the car ride down? I don't know. That's. I mean, it's really up to Nora.

[Tas Melis]

She's passenger. Yeah, sure.

[Je Skeets]

It's her decision. Do you have a suggestion? No. Oh, okay. Well, suggest that too.

[Tas Melis]

Depends on when our show drops and when you leave.

[Je Skeets]

I'll be. I'll be maybe in. I'll be getting hopefully close to Birmingham by the time you guys are live. Well, especially by the time.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, you got an early leave, huh?

[Je Skeets]

I'm leaving mad early.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it's not far to get to Birmingham.

[Je Skeets]

You'll be there. Hey, be careful. 2:85. Part of 2:85 is close.

[Trey Kirby]

Go for sure.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

World cup on your side, unfortunately. Like the west direction you're going.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, the direction I'm going. You're right, you're right, you're right. Okay.

[Tas Melis]

Little hockey breakdown, traffic breakdown, some New Orleans chatter.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, that's a good seablock. Anyway, join me today with the Task with Trey, JD and Nora for Survivor and then join the guys here tomorrow morning at 10am Eastern. Until then, Clipper Rose, you heard it here first. Have a great time. Turn up. Love you guys.

[Tas Melis]

Awesome.

[Trey Kirby]

Thanks for joining us. And remember, get those recommendations into Skeets for his restaurants. Where are you going to New Orleans. You've got to have one.

[Je Skeets]

We have something booked. Yeah, for Friday night. Tomorrow night. I couldn't tell you the place.

[Trey Kirby]

I hope it's Cashone because it's solid. But I even like just the. The lunch part of Kashon. The. The. Oh, gosh muffin. Let me tell you the mustards. How many mustards you can have in that lunch spot? Oh, gosh. Just spray it down my throat.

[Je Skeets]

Look at that. I just got a text from the hotel we're staying at. Look forward to sharing the magic with you.

[Tas Melis]

You're staying at Disney?

[Je Skeets]

No, no. Magic of New Orleans. Of course. Where are we going? Task. Where are we going? Where are we going?

[Tas Melis]

Where are we running here?

[Trey Kirby]

Listen, the cachon dinner part, we've got. Did we go to Koson together? Either way, like, dinner's fine, but the lunch spot, that's.

[Je Skeets]

That's.

[Tas Melis]

I feel like we went to the dinner together and then we all individually went to the lunch place. I did have a muffaletta with a beautiful olive topping on. Yeah, we're running out of condiments to

[Je Skeets]

talk about here, man.

[Tas Melis]

We've hit Mustard. We've hit olive spread.

[Trey Kirby]

We went to Kashon. We saw Justin Verrier there that time. That was the dinner spot.

[Je Skeets]

We might be going.

[Tas Melis]

I saw Anthony Mac in New Orleans.

[Trey Kirby]

Really?

[Je Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Just say a guy you've seen.

[Je Skeets]

Nice.

[Trey Kirby]

In New Orleans.

[Je Skeets]

We might be going to Herb Saint.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, where's Joel Myers? Herb scene.

[Je Skeets]

Yeah. Or Lillette. Maybe Lillette. She may have booked. We were thinking about Coquette, but that was close to the hotel, and we said, no, let's Uber, baby. So, yeah. Okay. There you go. Don't give me those recommendations.

[Trey Kirby]

No, no, you haven't.

[Je Skeets]

I want to have a drink in New Orleans, man.

[Trey Kirby]

Nice. Yeah.

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[Je Skeets]

I'm gonna be driving across one of the longest bridges, am I not? Isn't that down there when you get down there?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Nice long bridge.

[Je Skeets]

I got a crazy long bridge. Like crazy. Okay, think. Hopefully it's not closed. Like 285.

[Tas Melis]

Longest bridge in the United States is in Louisiana.

[Je Skeets]

I think we go over it.

[Tas Melis]

Or we can Train causeway.

[Je Skeets]

Try and take a video of me on that river.

[Tas Melis]

Wow.

[Je Skeets]

Bridge mode.

[Tas Melis]

That's a long.

[Je Skeets]

It's crazy long.

[Tas Melis]

23 miles.

[Je Skeets]

That sounds fake.

[Tas Melis]

That's a long.

[Je Skeets]

Holy crap, that's long. Too long, baby. It's long, dude. I'm telling you.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay.

[Je Skeets]

Embrace the bridges, people.

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[Je Skeets]

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[Tas Melis]

The more our kids see us put on our seatbelts, the more natural it

[Je Skeets]

is for them to put theirs on too. Make it a priority.

[Tas Melis]

Buckle up every time.

[Je Skeets]

Hear the sound. Make it a habit. Paid for by NHTSA this episode is

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[Je Skeets]

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[Je Skeets]

We don't need their permission or forgiveness.

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[Je Skeets]

So go ahead and doubt me, judge me, challenge me. But when the time comes, watch me.

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