LeBron's Season 23 Debut, Pistons Win 11th Straight & Washed NBA Trivia

Summary

No Dunks – November 19, 2025

Episode: LeBron's Season 23 Debut, Pistons Win 11th Straight & Washed NBA Trivia
Hosts: Jay Skeets, Tas Melas, Trey Kirby, JD (Super Producer)
Main Theme:
A classic No Dunks episode, mixing in-depth NBA discussion with playful banter and classic segments. The crew breaks down LeBron James’ milestone 23rd season debut, the Detroit Pistons’ 11-game win streak, evaluates the tiers of the Eastern Conference, discusses the surging Orlando Magic, and wraps up with a “Washed NBA Trivia” game inspired by grizzled All-Washed vets.

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LeBron's Season 23 Debut with Lakers (02:32–13:20)

Main Points:

• LeBron James returns after missing training camp and first 14 games due to sciatica, making NBA history as the only player with 23 seasons. Lakers win against Jazz, 140-125.
• LeBron (40) becomes only the second player to appear in a 23rd season (after Vince Carter’s 22 seasons).
• Game stats: modest 11 points but dominant as a playmaker with 12 assists and just 1 turnover. Highlighted willingness to pass (“Lungs of a newborn baby” – LeBron [04:08]).
• Lakers’ offensive chemistry is excellent: Luka Dončić shines, Austin Reaves excels as the third option (especially when Luka sits), Jake LaRavia fits perfectly shooting and cutting.
• Notable celebration: LeBron’s “rocket/freezer” hand gesture after a pass to Gabe Vincent for a corner three, confusing the crew about the meaning. ("It looked like it was on his upper bicep/tricep area...it's more of a cannon kind of thing." – Tas [09:48]).
• Lakers’ offense is not a concern; defense is the question going forward.

Memorable Quotes:

• “LeBron’s an old man. But he said he had the lungs of a newborn baby.” —Trey Kirby (04:08)
• “If he’s willing to come off the ball like this…he’s more than willing to pass it.” —Tas Melas (06:35)
• “He’s still good. Is the other part that’s wild.” —Jay Skeets (11:48)

Notable Timestamps:

• 04:31 – LeBron’s mood and returning to action
• 06:34 – LeBron’s assisted highlight passes and evolving playstyle
• 08:31 – Lakers’ game-changing third quarter run

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Pistons’ 11th Straight Win – Big vs. Finesse (16:29–23:33)

Main Points:

• Detroit Pistons win 120-112 against Atlanta Hawks, extend to 11-game winning streak—their best in 18 years.
• Dominant paint presence: 66 points in the paint, with Jalen Duren (24pts on his birthday) and Isaiah Stewart (13pts).
• Team identity: labeled “Nasty Dogs”—priding on physicality and force.
• Cade Cunningham returns and hits pivotal shots, notching his fifth straight 25+ point, 10+ assist game—a first in franchise history.
• Doubts about strength of competition—Pistons haven’t faced Knicks or Cavaliers yet.
• Jalen Duren emerges as Most Improved Player frontrunner (+175 odds).

Memorable Quotes:

• “The Nasty Dogs were barking. 66 points in the paint for Detroit.” —Trey Kirby (16:57)
• “They figured out, we’re a big strong team. So let’s keep being big and strong.” —Trey Kirby (18:03)
• “Jalen Duren…he’s the favorite right now on FanDuel…he might win this most improved.”—Jay Skeets (22:24)

Notable Timestamps:

• 16:52 – Breakdown of Pistons-Hawks game and team identity
• 19:25 – Analyzing which “tier” Pistons belong to in East

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Eastern Conference: Tier Debates & Magic’s Rise (23:33–30:55)

Main Points:

• Hosts debate the Pistons’ tier—are they with Knicks, Cavs, or Magic? Trey labels Pistons the “best team in the Eastern Conference right now.”
• Orlando Magic praised for defense, balance, and bench production in win vs. Warriors (121-113). Anthony Black and Da Silva’s efforts highlighted; team’s ability to share touches with Paolo Banchero out.
• Challenges when Banchero returns, especially sharing the ball with Franz Wagner and Bain, but confidence that coach Jamahl Mosley will integrate him well.
• Jalen Suggs’ unusual pre-game “football drip” headband fashion—starts around neck, then on forehead, causing amusement and questions about NBA uniform rules.

Memorable Quotes:

• “Franz is a more efficient player than Paolo…he makes the right play every single time.” —Trey Kirby (26:36)
• “Magic are who we thought they were…they found their identity here a little bit.” —Jay Skeets (28:41)

Notable Timestamps:

• 24:07 – Magic’s defensive identity and bench production
• 29:21 – Jalen Suggs’ “football drip” headband discussion

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Around the League: Game Quick Hits (31:48–36:51)

Main Points:

• Spurs beat Grizzlies 111-101; Jaren Jackson Jr. continues to underwhelm, furthering concern about team direction and morale.
• Suns easily handle Blazers as Devin Booker scores 19; Suns praised for effort, Jordan Knott cited as a possible Coach of the Year candidate.
• Celtics beat Nets, moving above .500.
• Blazers’ defense collapses in recent stretch.

Memorable Quotes:

• “That was surprising not to see Jaren Jackson Jr. finish the job. Harrison Barnes had a 23-point game. That’s a man we don’t talk about. We probably won’t.” – Tas Melas (32:13)

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Washed NBA Trivia with Skeets (42:18–56:47)

Summary:

• Classic trivia returns, focusing on veteran “washed” players and NBA history, inspired by recent No Dunks “All Washed” teams.
• Key categories: record playoff threes (Klay, Curry, Dame, Ray Allen), shortest players’ defensive win shares (Stockton, Chris Paul), historical triple-doubles under 20 (Luka, Josh Giddey), rebounding/scoring combos post-merger (Shaq, Moses Malone, Jokic, Giannis), Beal’s career high (60), and old-man playoff three-point barrages (LeBron, Jason Kidd, Eddie Johnson).
• Fun detours on All-Star Weekend history, NBA nicknames (“Piggy, the smooth shooter, and the man who put the J in jump shot”—Eddie Johnson [56:25]), and more.

Notable Quotes:

• “You guys just did NBA trivia and you guys just knocked it out.” —Jay Skeets (56:17)
• “Piggy’s the best of the bunch, but that’s saying something.” —Jay Skeets (56:33)

Notable Timestamps:

• 42:18 – NBA trivia segment begins
• 54:26 – Al Horford old-man three-point record question

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The Return of “Woah Boy!” Fantasy Line Segment (57:06–58:22)

Main Points:

• The Peloton-sponsored "Woah Boy" segment returns—first time in a long time.
• Luka Doncic awarded Fantasy Line of the Night for monstrous effort vs. Jazz: 37 points, 5 rebounds, 10 assists, and 4 steals.

Memorable Quotes:

• “Luka gets The Woah Boy of the night.” —Jay Skeets (57:56)

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Final Thoughts & Upcoming (58:22–end)

Main Points:

• Hosts hype up the NBA night ahead (notably Rockets-Cavs), discuss Bulls’ playback watch-along for their 72-10 season, and reminisce about rec leagues and past banter.
• Engagement with stream team and podcast listeners encouraged: “Hit the like button. Subscribe. Five-star ratings!” (41:18).

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Notable Quotes & Moments:

• “The NBA season is a grind, especially with these new 11pm coast to coast starts.” —Trey Kirby, lightly ribbing the scheduling (36:55)
• “We love trivia, though. We're just sickos. When I do it, I forget we’re even doing a show.” —Jay Skeets on their passion for trivia (58:43)
• “Bulls’ plus-37 point differential after one rec-league game. ‘I bet we’re in first.’” —Trey Kirby (63:37)

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Key Timestamps Reference

| Segment | Start | Noteworthy Moment | |------------------------------------------|--------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | LeBron’s Debut & Lakers-Jazz | 02:32 | LeBron’s passing, chemistry, milestone context | | Pistons-Hawks, Duren's MIP Case | 16:29 | Pistons’ size, “Nasty Dogs”, Cade’s record | | East Tier Discussion & Magic’s Rise | 23:33 | Who belongs in Tier 1? Suggs’ headband fashion saga | | Quick Game Hits (Spurs, Suns, Celtics) | 31:48 | Grizzlies malaise, Suns’ effort, Celtics’ hot streak | | Washed NBA Trivia | 42:18 | Playoff threes, defensive win shares, Beal’s career high, etc.| | Woah Boy Segment Returns | 57:06 | Luka wins first revived Woah Boy for fantasy line | | Closing Banter & Upcoming | 58:22 | Next games, Bulls’ playback, Trivia love |

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Overall Tone & Style

Lighthearted, loose, filled with inside jokes but always informative. The hosts riff on fashion quirks (headbands), meme segments (Woah Boy), and NBA history with a mix of culinary polls (hot dogs) and stat nerdery. Mixes detailed breakdowns for hoop-heads with fun tangents for longtime listeners.

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For New/Non-Listeners

This episode is a snapshot of what makes No Dunks a unique NBA podcast: plenty of laughs, engagement with quirky NBA lore and trivia, lengthy but sharp breakdowns of games and players, and interactive segments that connect with the audience as much as with the daily grind of basketball.

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Skip the ads—listen for:

• LeBron’s historic 23rd season takeaways
• The Pistons’ surging identity and Duren’s breakout
• Magic’s defensive, unselfish identity
• NBA trivia deep-dives
• The return of the “Woah Boy!” segment

(And if you know someone who’s had a brother choke them with a headband, let the stream team know! [30:38])

Transcript

[Jay Skeets]

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[Jay Skeets]

Good morning sweet world and welcome to the no Dunks podcast presented by FanDuel. It's November 19th. That's a Wednesday 2025. I'm Jay Skeets here in the classic factory and alongside me as always, Tasmilis.

[Tasmelis]

I was forgetting about the days of weeks, so thank you. It's Wednesday.

[Jay Skeets]

Still Wednesday. Next to him, it's my top shot, hot boy, Trey Kirby.

[Trey Kirby]

Hey yo.

[Jay Skeets]

Hey yo.

[Trey Kirby]

It's Wednesday.

[Jay Skeets]

Wednesday. And over yonder, making the magic happen, super producer jd.

[Tasmelis]

Hello.

[Jay Skeets]

There he is. Here we are. Do you know why I said that I added it?

[Tasmelis]

I don't know why, but honestly, I had been forgetting about them. But why did you add it?

[Jay Skeets]

Because I missed it. I usually say it's the day and the date and the year.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

So I just slipped it in there and we're off and running.

[Tasmelis]

Just because it was different. I guess it's startled me a little bit.

[Jay Skeets]

That's exactly right.

[Tasmelis]

You get used to it.

[Jay Skeets]

You get into a cadence. On today's show, we're gonna play some NBA trivia. Haven't done that in a while. I'm gonna test the guy's knowledge. Got a weird reason for these questions, but we'll get into that later. And this is fun. Our friends at Peloton have demanded that we bring back a classic segment. Get your guesses in the stream team. Right now. An old time segment makes its triumphant return today.

[Trey Kirby]

Old timey segment. That's right.

[Jay Skeets]

But first we had some games last night, so let's talk about speaking of old timey.

[Tasmelis]

There it is. There it is.

[Jay Skeets]

A segue. I should have nailed. LeBron James. LeBron James making his historic season debut season number 23 for the King in the Lakers 140 to 125 win over the Utah Jazz. So 40 year old LeBron TK again, season 23. He's in the starting lineup. He played 30 minutes. He had missed all the training camp. He hadn't played the first 14 games with sciatica. An old man disease.

[Trey Kirby]

Old man's disease.

[Jay Skeets]

And Vince Carter was the only other player in NBA history to participate in 22 seasons. Now LeBron's got 23.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, your face, Vince.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jay Skeets]

Got him.

[Trey Kirby]

He's an old man. But he said he had the lungs of a newborn baby. What a quote. So he said, I'm going to come back in a game where nobody's going to play defense. I thought that was very smart. Just run up and down the court against the Utah Jazz. My biggest takeaway from LeBron is that this guy's having a great time. He was smiling the entire time he was out there. Hugging, posing, celebrating, just cheesing.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Everywhere it said it was the first time he's ever missed the start of the season. From back when he started playing basketball at nine years old. So, you know, you can tell he was happy to be back on the court. Luka has been having fun this season as well. Terrible celebrator. Fun to watch though. I feel like the chemistry is great for the Los Angeles Lakers and LeBron said he didn't have his first win, but eventually he got his second wind. And his third win wasn't a big scoring night for LeBron. Only 11 points. Hit a couple of threes past Reggie Miller. That's crazy.

[Jay Skeets]

Weird.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

It's also year 23. I know, but I mean, how many Reggie play 18 seasons. He played a ton.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, as well.

[Trey Kirby]

But remember when he was the number one guy?

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Sixth.

[Tasmelis]

Five guys just passed him in three. Three years. I guess that's crazy really quickly, but.

[Trey Kirby]

12 assists for LeBron. He assisted on five straight Laker baskets at the start of the fourth quarter. He really amped up the tempo. I thought for the Lakers when things were slowed down, he would get in the post and find a cutter. Apparently he threw DeAndre Ayton a lob. Second time he's ever thrown DeAndre Ayton a lob. Dating back to eighth grade. For Ayton. There's a photo of LeBron and Ayton when Ayton is in eighth grade and Ayton is a head taller than LeBron in eighth grade.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, he's at his camp. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.

[Trey Kirby]

So, yeah, good to have LeBron back. A good game to get into things for him. Not that taxing for the Lakers, I didn't think. You know, they hung 140 on the jazz. Look pretty easy doing it. And eventually they'll have to play defense, but not in this game, right?

[Tasmelis]

Yeah. LeBron always taking the headlines. What about Gabe? Gabe came back. Gabe Vincent came back, hadn't been there for a month. There's a reason Gabe scored two buckets in this game, because LeBron was passing them some beauty passes. LeBron was basically at the sideline and chucked it from above the break at the sideline to the opposite corner. And he did the. Already game one. He's got a new, like, baseball chuck and then a celebration. It's kind of like a haze. This is my rocket, I guess, was his thing, but he chucked it to Gabe.

[Jay Skeets]

That was the one right at the end of the third quarter.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was beautiful. And yeah, Gabe got back, hit two buckets. Because that guy LeBron had 12 assists. And that's where it stood out to me. If he's willing to come off the ball like this and let Luca do his thing and let Austin Reeves do his thing, he's more than willing to pass it. He did those. He had a couple to Gabe. He likes to be sort of in the mid range, free throw line extended back to the basket and because sure, maybe he had sciatica, but those arms and the upper body, super strong. He can pass it to anywhere. It's. It reminds me a little bit of, of Jokic, you know, Opposite corner, he was throwing. He threw two to Laravia on the opposite corner for threes. There was four to DeAndre Ayton including the alley oop Ayton in the mid range. Ayton running, Marcus Smart, cutting from the three point line and scoring. So if you got cutters like this Lakers team does and you guys, you have guys who can shoot like Larabia, maybe a potential smart Aruyachimura throw in Austin Reese because I think he's willing to catch and shoot. This guy's going to have plenty of places to pass and he doesn't have to be the scorer. I don't think so. 12 assists, six in the fourth quarter, only one turnover. You gotta keep an eye on him. Cause literally if he's in that mid range free throw line extended, he can just turn around and shoot. So this team's gonna score a lot.

[Jay Skeets]

And offense is not gonna be the problem. It's just gonna come down to whether they can get enough stops in this game. Didn't matter playing the Jazz once they start playing these better teams here. Yeah, that's the only question sort of remaining with this squad.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, they come down to the fourth quarter cause they did allow the the jazz to score 126 points. Counte George is fun to watch. I mean he dropped 34 and Larry Markkanen 31. Two guys from the Utah Jazz. You didn't expect that really. But it did come down to the fourth quarter. But yeah, they have a lot of scores healthy. Luka Reeves and LeBron obviously and guys who cut and catch. It's unexpected for this team, but they can do that.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it was 91, 91 with a few minutes to go around the end of the third quarter. And that's when the Lakers went on that sort of run to end that queue. It started with Luka making a three in the corner after some insane drive and kick and relocate offense from the Lakers. That looked incredible. That would have been a very solid play right now. That's not the segment coming back by the way. Then Luka hit a tough and one jumper on the baseline. That's where he did what you already called a questionable celebration. He had a funky little dance. I don't even know what the heck that was.

[Trey Kirby]

He's a bad celebrator. He said it himself. He didn't know what he was doing. He just said like I gotta do something, but okay.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's right. And then Jackson Hayes gobbled up an offensive rebound off a Luka three point miss. He grabbed it, he went right back up, got the foul. So that was an and one. And then finally you already said it the the quarter ended with LeBron. Bullet pass to Gabe over in the corner. He hit it just like that. They're up 11 heading into the fourth quarter.

[Tasmelis]

And he was confident Gabe was going to hit it because he pulled out the celebration. It was a chuck and then he pulled out the rocket.

[Trey Kirby]

I guess they call it the freeze.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I thought it was for the, for the three point shot itself.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, Ice in my veins, but they call it freeze.

[Tasmelis]

But. So LeBron was celebrating the upcoming three point shot?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I think so.

[JD (Super Producer)]

But.

[Tasmelis]

But it didn't look like it was down low. It looked like the, the hand wasn't even on the veins. It looked like it was on his upper bicep, tricep area, potentially. Like. That's why I thought it was more of a this is my cannon kind of thing.

[Trey Kirby]

You know who came up with that? D' Angelo Russell and Damon Jones.

[Tasmelis]

Oh yeah, the veins.

[JD (Super Producer)]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

LeBron's close friend, Damon Jones.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, yeah. But he knew that Gabe was going to hit it. Yes, he pulled that out. It was wide open way before Gabe let it go. Way before he let it go.

[Jay Skeets]

So yeah, Lakers look awesome. Luca, we'll get to his stat line later in the show, but I mean, an easy 30 type 10 game from him.

[Trey Kirby]

He's averaging a career low attempts at the rim and he had four drives to the hoop for easy layups on this one. No resistance from the Jazz. The big question for me, with LeBron coming back, he's not going to take away from Luka. That's just not going to happen. Luka's the number one guy on this team. It's how does Reaves fit in? And Reeves to me was the clear third option when LeBron and Luka were out there. But then once Luka goes to the bench and it's LeBron and reaves together, he's the main creator. I thought that's the majority of his points came during that second unit playing alongside LeBron. He's such a good second ball handler and LeBron is such a good finder of teammates that it's going to work perfectly when those two are running the second units out there. And then Larabia, like you mentioned, task, this guy's a perfect fit alongside all three of these guys because he can hit open threes and he's a smart cutter and he gets busy on the glass. So Larabia has been a awesome find for them.

[Tasmelis]

He has been. And he's. Yeah, he's a long, big player that you can play defense with him aside him. So yes, for sure.

[Jay Skeets]

The Funny stack going around too. Last night, was it something like nine guys on the combined rosters last night were born after LeBron made his NBA debut in 2003? It's something like that.

[Tasmelis]

I believe it.

[Jay Skeets]

It's like eight or nine guys when you look at the two rosters. Including his own son, of course, who.

[Trey Kirby]

Was born including his own son.

[Jay Skeets]

He started in. It is wild.

[Tasmelis]

It is wild.

[Jay Skeets]

23 seasons now and he's still good. Is the other party as the wild. I mean, he was an all NBA player last year in year 22 and I don't think that's going to be the case this year with the missing time and all that. And maybe he misses time as we go on here because you're trying to save him for any sort of postseason, but still. Yeah, it's not like he's like washed at the end of the bench. No, it's a couple spot minutes here.

[Trey Kirby]

No, he's important to the team and he's going to make them better. He's got to play what, like another 50 games?

[Jay Skeets]

A little bit less the all time record.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, 50 coming into the season. I mean, he missed a huge chunk. He's going to sit eventually, like for back to backs or if he picks up another injury. I thought it was a guarantee. Yeah, he's going to pass the Chief this year, but maybe not.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, it'll come close. It is weird not having him at the beginning of the season. As you said, he's never missed the beginning of the season before and so that part was odd. But to see him come back and look pretty good even though he didn't have to score a lot. We're making it a big deal that he's getting to 23. We didn't make a deal at all. It should be a big deal.

[Jay Skeets]

Huge deal.

[Tasmelis]

It is. We didn't make it a big deal at all that Vince went into season 22. He had passed everybody else. He was the only one going into season 22. He was a different player. Yeah, I know Vincent, Lamar Carter, very different player. But we're making this a big deal for LeBron and that's totally fine. And he should pass Robert Parish, I imagine. I imagine if he. If he doesn't have to do as much on this team, he doesn't because Luke is going to take so much of it. He should be able to get to those 50 games, but I got to.

[Trey Kirby]

Bring this 49 more games to pass Robert Parish.

[Tasmelis]

Exactly 50 total. Hold on, I gotta show. I'm showing it to you. Guys here right beside me. LeBron just puts his hand up way the shoulder and he throws up.

[JD (Super Producer)]

See.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, I don't think he did that. He didn't do anything with the veins. Although he does a little of this at the bottom of it with an okay sign.

[Trey Kirby]

Sort of stick your finger in it, he can't punch you back, right?

[Jay Skeets]

Classic Lakers win 14125 over you know, an exciting at least fun to watch Jazz team. Much more exciting than we thought maybe heading into the season. Oh yeah, especially like you said Keonte George is.

[Trey Kirby]

He's on fire right now.

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[Jay Skeets]

All right, let's move to the pistons winning their 11th straight game. Longest winning streak for Detroit in 18 years. They took care of business here in Atlanta down at the fortress, 120 to 112. I think they led from tip to the final buzzer. TK a professional win here. And Cade Cunningham made his return. 25 points, 10 assists, helping his team.

[Trey Kirby]

Get the W. Did they call themselves Nasty Dogs?

[Jay Skeets]

Well, is that what you said? Nasty Dogs, boys.

[Trey Kirby]

Nasty Dogs, boys. Nasty Dogs. That's what I was trying to remember this morning. So my notes are right. The Nasty dogs were barking. 66 points in the paint for Detroit, 24 for Jalen Duran, 13 for Isaiah Stewart. Pistons went 29 of 39 in the restricted area. They just completely dominated the Hawks. From a physicality standpoint, they looked like the bigger, stronger team. And anytime they would get the ball underneath the free throw line, it was basically going to be a basket for Detroit on the other side. Atlanta only took 19 attempts in the restricted area. You could tell which team was finesse. You could tell which team was force. And the force won out. I thought in this one, Duran was so good. He scored through defenders multiple times. Like Anaka Kongu. Good defender, too small to handle dur. And same with Mo and Stewart. I mean, like even Paul Reed was ripping the ball down when it came down to it. Hawks did a good job with their three point shooting to get back in the game in the fourth quarter. But Cade hit a couple of big buckets late and then V CRA hit two hilarious three pointers to make the line look even closer. Yeah, yeah, he did like a reverse spin from Almost the logo. He was surprised for Veep, but yeah, a great win for the Pistons. They figured out we're a big strong team. So let's keep being big and strong.

[Jay Skeets]

Wolf. Wolf.

[Tasmelis]

JB's got them barking, that's for sure. They play hard. It is impressive. You mentioned points in the paint. For sure. That's what they do. But to have Duncan Robinson out there make Malik Beasley basically forgettable. Do you even remember that he was on this team? He was there, an important part. Second in voting for sixth man of the year. He hit a ton of threes. But Duncan Robinson is out there shooting seven threes per game. He only takes nine shots. Per game. Seven of them are threes. Very good percentage. And he did drive and get into the paint for a key bucket in the fourth. He's got that ability. But they are the bigger team. Jalen Duran on his 22nd birthday yesterday.

[Jay Skeets]

That's right.

[Tasmelis]

I thought he'd get 22 points, make it a mark, you know, but he's too good for that. He scored 24 because he's too good from the free throw line, you know, shooting at 78%. And he shoots seven free throws per game, by far the most of his career. That's a good number to get to the line for that. Yeah, they've got guys up and down the rock. Gervontae Green had his second 20 point per game or 20 point game in a row. Javante Green. You can even bring a Sar Thompson off the bench as they did coming back from injury. And because Dennis Jenkins is awesome, he's out there starting to this win streak. Very, very impressive.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tasmelis]

The question is, did they beat good enough teams? Memphis was the best team from the west that they beat, so they didn't really beat much at all. They beat Philly twice. They beat the Bulls. They beat Orlando, which was earlier in the season when they weren't playing well. The question is, which tier in the Eastern Conference are the Pistons in? Do you put them in the top tier with the Knicks and Cavs? Are they right there below them? Are they right there below them by themselves or do you include other teams in that second tier? Where are the Pistons in the Eastern conference?

[Jay Skeets]

Let's ask Mr. Power Rankings himself. Where do you have the Pistons right now? What tier? I guess in the Eastern Conference.

[Trey Kirby]

I have to see him beat somebody really good. But they don't play the Knicks or the Cavs until January.

[Jay Skeets]

Weird.

[Trey Kirby]

So they're probably going to be the first seed in the Eastern Conference until then because they're going to be playing a slightly easier schedule. They're super consistent. Cade plays a different way through the first three quarters and then takes over. I'm really impressed by what the Pistons are doing. They have an identity and all of the changes they made during the off season have worked out to their favor. They're not missing Dennis Schroeder at all because Dennis Jenkins is apparently a real NBA player. He had a sick behind the back finish last night as well. Chaz Lanier was hitting shots. They know how to play together. They have moves they can make. I think the Cavs have been really inconsistent with Darius Garland out. They don't look like the Same team. Knicks are missing guys. I don't think they look the same right now. So I think the Pistons have been the best team in the Eastern Conference. So I would put them on the same tier right now. I think the east doesn't have a best team. So it is the Pistons.

[JD (Super Producer)]

Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

Tier one, Tier A, wherever you're calling it.

[Tasmelis]

Top of the tiers, top of the tears. Well, I would love to see them in another series with the New York Knicks. And the Knicks are automatically in that tier one with the Cleveland Cavaliers, who are questionable at 10 and 5. They haven't been an impressive 10 5. I don't like the way they close games. They just rely on Donovan Mitchell again. So I think they are included in that tier one, I think literally because there isn't one team that is standing out beside the Detroit Pistons. I could, I think you could see the Orlando Magic, who we'll get to in their win over the Golden State warriors as part of that tier one. So it's just a big group of teams crowded. It's. It's those four. I wouldn't put the bucks in there at this point. Definitely it does. It doesn't look like that. You can't put the Hawks up there. But the other four of the Kaznicks, Magic and Pistons, I think they could be those teams. And the Magic have definitely impressed a lot too.

[Jay Skeets]

Cade became the first player in Pistons history with 25 plus points and 10 plus assists in five consecutive games played. That shocked me a little bit that Isaiah Thomas hadn't done it, that maybe even Grant Hill for a stretch there. Chauncey Billups, even like a couple great weeks. So he's the first to do that. And we were early here on no dunks when we were telling you about Jalen Duran and his most improved chances. We said this a couple weeks ago, TK we were looking at it on FanDuel. Where is he?

[Trey Kirby]

Whoa.

[Jay Skeets]

He's he's like fifth, sixth still with like plus 1000 odds to win. The thing that's completely changed after the run he's on. He's the favorite right now on FanDuel + 175. Jalen Duran, then Giddy Avdia, Ryan Rollins and Jalen Johnson coming up behind him. But I mean the stats back it up. The eye test is there like this guy like can create on his own a little bit now. He's improved as a defensive player as well. I think teams are shooting like something like 55% at the rim when Duran's around it. Guy is impressed. He's going to be an all star lock in my opinion. And he might win this most improved. I think he's the most deserving right now with how he's grown here and what he's done to help lead that team. When his other best player, Cade was out of the lineup.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he's been awesome. I have no other. Jalen Duran. Yeah, he's good now. He's added nine points per game to his scoring from last year. So he's probably going to win Mip if he keeps it up.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, if you add nine points then you're that guy. But yeah, just at 22 years of age. So you could expect him to grow here in year four and he has done that a ton.

[Jay Skeets]

Let's talk about the Magic. They dominated inside as well. They turned back the Warriors 121 to 113. You said it here. Tass are the Magic sneaking their way into the tier one conversation. They've won three of their last four, including wins over the Knicks, wins over the warriors last night, that narrow loss to the talented Rockets team in overtime. So could have maybe had that one. They're 7 and 2 though since that dreadful start. And I think most importantly, Orlando is had the number six defense over that span and they've like climbed above average in the totality of the year. But what do you think of Orlando's win last night?

[Tasmelis]

Their defense is super solid. They wouldn't let the warriors go on their classic run of 10 points. They would see a bucket or two happen. But then they got very aggressive out there on the perimeter. They wouldn't let things happen. I think a big key to this team is their depth and when I say aggressive on the perimeter. Their point guard of Anthony Black is important to this team. He was big in this game. He was 8 of 13 from the floor, zero threes made. He's kind of a three bomber. It looks like a bomb of a shot. I don't know if he'll ever develop it, but it's. It's a bomber.

[Lego Star Wars Advertiser]

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[Tasmelis]

You know, it's like he's chucking it.

[Trey Kirby]

I thought at first I was like, what? He's a shooter? No, that's not good. Bomber. That's.

[Tasmelis]

You say no? Yeah, yeah. It's like is it going to go in right? So it feels like there's like a little lack of. Of rotation on that ball. Whatever's happening, maybe it'll never happen. But that's what happened with the Orlando Magic in so many Games, including this one. They had four threes in the first quarter, looking good. Then they hit four the rest of the game. That's what they do. But, but they were attacking.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, Anthony Black had like two dunks, like big dunks where he was aggressive and going in the room.

[Tasmelis]

They, they need a guard and if Anthony Black and Jaylen Suggs can be that 2, 2 headed point guard system, then they can be that good. And I think they are, they're so good at getting out there. Anthony Black is a big guy. Jalen Suggs is a great perimeter defender. I think they can defend extremely well. They're just so good at not having one guy be the guy. Their shot distribution last night is what their team I think will be going forward. Franz had the most of 17, then Bain 16 and then a few other guys in the double digits. And I think Paolo Banquero when he comes back can be a part of that. I don't think he has to be the ISO man. I think he, he was doing good at distributing when he was out there, but the depth is key. I think Tristan Da Silva has been fricking good for this week. So I, I think they can be part of that first tier because they're so aggressive defensively. They share. I think Bane and Bankero along with the other guards can be enough to distribute the ball.

[Trey Kirby]

That's the question is you're mentioning Da Silva. He has been great since moving into the starting lineup. The ball does move better. There's a massive change. Paolo Banchero is not playing right now. They're 31 with Paolo sitting. Usage rates are up for Franz, Bane and Suggs. They're turning the ball over less. They're getting more three pointers up. These are all things that Paolo can take away from. Franz is a more efficient player than Paolo is. He plays almost exactly like Jimmy Butler. He's so good in the pick and roll. He's going to finish when he gets the ball inside the lane and he makes the right play every single time. So it's going to be on Paolo to figure out how to play against his wishes really. Not that he's not a good team player. He likes to create for others, but he likes to have the ball in his hands and he can't play off the ball because he can't really shoot as a catch and shoot guy. They're going to have to figure out a way to meld the talents because when you look at Franz with Paolo sitting, the magic win their minutes. When you look at Paolo with Franz sitting. The Magic win their minutes. You put them together even, right? They got to find a way to be good together and get the most out of each other because that hasn't been the case for the majority of their career. They're just about an even team when both those guys are on the court. But 64 points in the paint last night, 10 offensive rebounds. Magic forced 18 turnovers. Like that's the way they need to play. They need to be battering rams inside and they need to win the possession battle. They did that against the warriors, who just are pretty bad on the road and they look tiny and tired and slow.

[Jay Skeets]

We know Carter Jr. Big monster. He felt like out there and he's not even that huge. But would you say how many points in the paint? It's before every bucket was in the pain in that game.

[Tasmelis]

32 buckets. That's a lot of buckets.

[Jay Skeets]

De Silva needs to play when Bankero does come back because the guys brought great energy. I think here. He had 15 points last night, 6 of 13 shooting, hit some threes. He was one of those guys that actually can hit threes on the Magic. Three of seven from deep. And then the bench came through for the Orlando Magic last night too. It's usually one of the weakest in the league, but Anthony Black already talked about him. Season high, 21 points. Tyus Jones did have a good game last night. Didn't miss a shot in his 15 minutes. And then Goga out there was either he was either throwing an OOP to Da Silva or he was getting a new thrown to him from Da Silva. So those guys contributed, I thought, for Orlando as well. But it's nice. I like that the Magic are who we thought they were going to be coming into the season and it started so poorly and they found their identity here a little bit. That defense, like 13th overall in defensive rating, that's going to tick, tick up, up, up, up, I'd assume. But it's a good point, TK about when Paolo comes back and how he fits in. And that's on Mosley to make it work.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah. And I thought he was fitting decently well before he got injured and they were winning games. So even though he went down that next game, he had a great first quarter and they were looking like it. But yeah. Will he buy in? I, I, I feel like he will. And Jamal mostly has them playing extremely hard defensively like he used to. And then on the offensive end, he just has them buying into paint shots and three point shots and that's it. Because that's all they had last night. They had 43 baskets, 32 in the paint, eight threes. So just one in the mid range. Right. That's pretty impressive in that. That's who they are. You know, Franz is a driver. We hopefully we'll see that from Paolo and I think we will.

[Jay Skeets]

What do you think of this thing Suggs is doing with his headband where he's wearing it around his neck to start games?

[Trey Kirby]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

And then it's. Then it makes its way to his forehead like a normal headband.

[Trey Kirby]

He says once he gets in the flow of the game, he puts it on his head. Called it football drip.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Deion Sanders used to do it.

[Tasmelis]

Right?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

You don't see it on a basketball court.

[Trey Kirby]

No, it looks bad and dumb.

[Jay Skeets]

It looks dumb. I'm actually amazed they allow it for some weird reason. Like it almost.

[Trey Kirby]

Why not? Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, it's like a choking hazard, I guess.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, you're right. This is the sort of thing they would.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm surprised the leg allows.

[Trey Kirby]

Legislate it away for no reason. Yeah, like we got to get rid of ninja style headbands because somebody could get their head yanked off.

[Jay Skeets]

That's what I'm saying. If they ban that, then they're going to stop him from wearing it around his neck.

[Trey Kirby]

Probably because it's only one guy doing it.

[Jay Skeets]

It. Yeah.

[Tasmelis]

Man has been choked by his headband. Headline.

[Jay Skeets]

So silly. But it's just weird cuz the NBA is like they're sticklers about this crap that they allow him to do it only for like he does it for like a minute or two. I'm feeling good. Props it back.

[Tasmelis]

It is weird. I got to Google if anyone's ever been choked by a headband. I guess it could happen.

[Jay Skeets]

Put your hand up there by accident. Like the defender right.

[Trey Kirby]

From behind.

[Tasmelis]

No, I just mean any more, anytime, anywhere can you be choked by headband?

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I will guarantee you right now a brother has tried choking out his other brother with a headband. Guarantee. Let me know. There's people in the stream team right now probably choke their brother out with a headband.

[Tasmelis]

Didn't want to use his hands.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm very confident about that.

[JD (Super Producer)]

Okay.

[Tasmelis]

Interesting, interesting.

[Jay Skeets]

Anything else on the magic?

[Trey Kirby]

No, that was my last thing too. What's with this headband around? This.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Yeah. I was hoping somebody was. We were going to address it.

[Tasmelis]

Listen, Al Horford should wear one on his head to take away from his bald spot.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, geez.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow.

[Tasmelis]

I mean, he's obviously an extremely handsome guy. We've always discussed it, but the bald spot is getting more prominent. Yeah, it's very apparent. Cover it up. I don't know. Or shave your head more. But I will say they were getting punished inside. I mean, Will Richard was trying to help out as much as he could. It's great to see Will Richard out there, but they're. There's. He's starting. They're so tiny. They just are so tiny. It would help, you know. Tjd. Trace Jackson, Davis, I guess is not enough for Steve Kerr to be playing out there. So they just don't have height and they're. I'm sure they're looking for somebody because it ain't going to be Al. He's too small and too old to be playing a lot of minutes right now. They. Maybe it comes from Trace, Jackson, Davis. They're just tiny. That's all.

[Jay Skeets]

Other games last night. Let me chuck them at you here. Fox and Barnes, the old. The Vets, I guess, leading the spurs past the Grizzlies 111, 101 in a battle without stars. No Wemby, no John moran. Devin Booker scored 19. That's all it took from him as the Suns downed the Blazers by a lot. And then Brown and the Celtics beat the Nets 113.99. They move above.500 for the first time this season. Any thoughts on those three games? On any of them?

[Tasmelis]

Well, the Grizzly spurs game, I was a little disappointing. Watch Jaren Jackson Jr. At the end of this game, he just let Harrison Barnes score and he was kind of lost a little. So obviously that team is in a very difficult position. They keep losing over and over and.

[Jay Skeets]

Over again in the dumps. Is that you're getting from them?

[Tasmelis]

Well, yeah, yeah, it's everything. So that was just surprising not to see Jaren Jackson Jr. Finish the job. Harrison Barnes had a 23 point game. That's a man that we don't talk about. We don't and we probably won't. He does a lot of great things here in year 14 for that guy. He's. He's part of this spurs team that is just so good in terms of the role players getting things done without Wemby. So it was disappointing to see the. The Grizzlies can't seem to find that role, that groove post John Morant.

[Jay Skeets]

At least it was competitive. Yeah, I mean this was a close game until the final couple minutes. Coward played really well after. Yeah. Number two on the rooking rankings list on yesterday's show. But I Guess why you have these old guys around Cornett and Barnes and. And Fox, you know, not really old.

[Trey Kirby]

He's old. 27.

[Jay Skeets]

You know what I mean? Yeah, he's in his prime.

[Trey Kirby]

Ancient.

[Jay Skeets]

But they're down, Wemby, they're down. Harper Cassell is out, you know, so you just, hey, go get us a win. Harrison Barnes, he got him a win.

[Trey Kirby]

He scored nine straight in the fourth quarter. It was a blowout. Fourth quarter for the Spurs, 25 to 14. Barnes had a monster dunk. Then he hit a hook shot. He had a big three pointer. He just had like a sweeping hook. That was crazy to me. And look, shout out to Jeremy Sohan. He was defending Jaren Jackson Jr. Really well, so I thought he played well. And look at same night as Tyus Jones. That's amazing too. They both look so good. But yeah, Jaren Jackson Jr. He ain't into it. He is not a fan of this team right now at all. Cedric Coward, he's cool. Maybe you should go back to 13, though. Jaren Jackson Jr. 8 doesn't work.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

For this team. Thomas Isolo now 1 in 19 against teams over.500 in his career. Yeah.

[Tasmelis]

Whoa.

[Jay Skeets]

I haven't seen that.

[Tasmelis]

Why did Jaren Jackson Jr. Change numbers?

[Trey Kirby]

I think it's his dad's number. Right.

[Tasmelis]

Old Jaren Jackson, NBA champion, senior. He wore at least one point with the Spurs.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I was two on the Spurs.

[Tasmelis]

I was two on the spurs, eight.

[Trey Kirby]

With the Clippers for one season. I don't know. I don't know why he chose it, but he wears it now.

[Jay Skeets]

He should go back, though.

[Trey Kirby]

He should go back because he's having a bad season.

[Jay Skeets]

He also rolled his ankle in this game and that took him out. And then he got back. So he's lingered a little bit. But yeah, the vibes are absolutely atrocious with this team, except. Yeah, except for Coward and you know, Zach Eady's back looking big.

[Trey Kirby]

He is big.

[Jay Skeets]

He's a big boy for sure.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah. That's the just worrisome part is that will Jaren Jackson Jr. Be so upset and so angry that he literally demands a trade at some point? This guy is just too good. That's. That's the worrisome part is that the. The organization and the team, it just kind of wears on him after a period. So that's why I felt like John Morant would be moved at some point because you don't want to do that to a guy you just signed a monstrous contract to. With Jaren Jackson Jr. And I thought.

[Jay Skeets]

It was an impressive Sun's win by the way to go take care of business after the loss. That's a good team. That's a sign of a good legit team right there to do that, bounce back and really kick ass. So my only real note from that one, but I liked what I saw from them. Suns.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, the Suns are playing a lot better than I thought they would. They've been beaten up on an easy part of their schedule and unfortunately that includes the Blazers. Blazers have lost six of eight. They're down to 22nd and defense and they've given up 140 to the Rockets, 138 to Dallas and then 127 last night against Phoenix. If they can't play defense, they can't win games.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, you see it sounds crazy at, you know, year 2025, but when Jrue Holiday is not out there helping them defensively, they're a different team. He has an impact. He does. In terms of, I don't know, organizing. The guys obviously still can bring it on that end, but yeah, they've lost. Yeah, you're right. After that hot start, they've fallen back to earth.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah. And from the Phoenix Suns perspective, 9 and 6. Yeah, they haven't had many good wins. If you're looking at the schedule like the spurs were their biggest win, I would say that being said, they play friggin hard. Jordan Knott is going to get some coach of the year votes if they continue to be over 500 and he should. They're playing ridiculously hard. Everybody sharing that rock. It's hard to believe that they're the sixth best offense in the NBA. But they are. And considering their opponents have not been extremely hard, extremely tough, that's a tiny part of it. But they're good. They're just good.

[Jay Skeets]

Let's take a break and when we come back, we'll play a little trivia.

[Trey Kirby]

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[Tasmelis]

Wow.

[Trey Kirby]

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Tasmelis]

Huh?

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

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[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, right. Yeah man. We want to look Jack like you.

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[Jay Skeets]

All right, everybody on YouTube right now. Hit the like button. Subscribe podcast listeners, five star ratings and reviews. Did we have results on that poll that you had up before the show about hot dogs?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I gotta get scrolling. Scroll.

[Jay Skeets]

You were asking the people what was happening. There was a lot of hot dog talk.

[Trey Kirby]

Again, people were talking about Colin Murray boiled hot dogs and saying what's the best way to eat a dog?

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

So I gave him three choices how to eat your dog. Grilled, boiled, or raw.

[Jay Skeets]

Good.

[Trey Kirby]

7% of people picked raw.

[Tasmelis]

Come on.

[Jay Skeets]

Freak jokesters.

[Trey Kirby]

Absolute freaks. But the winning, the winning method of eating a dog. Grilled.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

68% sounds.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

25 for the boily boys.

[Jay Skeets]

You voted boiled. I saw you.

[Tasmelis]

I tried. Somebody pre voted.

[Jay Skeets]

You keep talking about boiled hot dogs.

[Trey Kirby]

You don't like carcinogens?

[Tasmelis]

No, we don't. Yeah, I just like water and a dog.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, let's get in to some NBA trivia. Be good play. Who wants some NBA trivia? Yeah. Forgot about this NBA intro. Oh, who wants some trivia? Not necessarily NBA trivia, but this is. So all of these NBA trivia questions were inspired by last week's all washed teams that Trey and I selected while you were catching John Legend up in Canada. Shout out to basketball reference for.

[Tasmelis]

You didn't include John Legend on that all wash team, did you?

[Jay Skeets]

No, we didn't.

[Tasmelis]

How dare you even discuss.

[Jay Skeets]

But I still, I still can't determine whether you are or not the way you talk about John Legend.

[Tasmelis]

What do you mean?

[Jay Skeets]

Well, you keep one side of your mouth you're like, he doesn't have it anymore.

[Tasmelis]

The other side of your mouth is.

[Jay Skeets]

Like, oh, he's a living legend, hence his name.

[Tasmelis]

Go back and listen to the discussion. I would never say he didn't have it.

[Jay Skeets]

We're doing some trivia here. You guys can work together. We won't make this a battle or anything, but again, these were all questions surrounding players that TK and I were either selecting for our all wash teams or were in the running in some cases. So basically, it's like a lot of old guys inspired these questions. Basketball reference came through in flying colors. Okay, first one, play along. If you're on YouTube right now or listening with the podcast. Klay Thompson has five playoff games with eight plus made threes, the most of any player in NBA history. Okay, can you name the three players tied for second with four such games of eight plus made threes?

[Trey Kirby]

Okay.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. You can go back and forth or you would talk it out. What do you want to do?

[Tasmelis]

I mean, just jumps.

[Trey Kirby]

What are you going to lead with here?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, lead.

[Tasmelis]

I would assume Steph did it.

[Jay Skeets]

You would assume correct.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Steph Curry is one on this list. Two other guys. I mean, it's a lot of threes.

[Trey Kirby]

It's a lot of threes. Give me Jayson Tatum.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, I like where you're going with that. I like where you're going. But no.

[Tasmelis]

Four games of eight.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep.

[Tasmelis]

Or I think Dame maybe is around the list.

[Trey Kirby]

Nice.

[Jay Skeets]

Well done, Tasmelas. Damian Lillard, number two.

[Tasmelis]

You don't think of him because the game's played, but still. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Third guy. The hint I'll give you is obviously one of the most iconic three point shooters of all time, Ray Allen. Way to pull it. Curry, Dame, Ray Allen. Four games of eight plus three pointers made. But Clay still has the record.

[Trey Kirby]

Excellent.

[Jay Skeets]

With five playoff games. All right, next one. Chris Paul has the second most defensive win shares all time by a player 6 foot 1 or shorter. Can you name the leader? Defensive win shares?

[Tasmelis]

Gosh.

[Jay Skeets]

Six one or shorter. And obviously Chris Paul's played a long time and this is an accumulative thing, so take that into consideration a little bit. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Isaiah Thomas. No, he's short. No, they're team one a lot and played defense.

[Jay Skeets]

It's Good point. But no one or shorter.

[Trey Kirby]

That's very small.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Now I'd like to say on this, I feel like this guy is a bit of a surprise. 6:1 or shorter. I've always thought of him a little bit bigger. Not much, but he's a tiny guy.

[Trey Kirby]

Is he like an all defense type player? I mean, I assume so.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah. I mean it played a long time.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, John Stockton.

[Jay Skeets]

Well done.

[Trey Kirby]

I thought he was taller.

[Jay Skeets]

I did you not? Just a little bit, right. Two and a half. I thought John Stockton was. But he's six one, 170 pounds. Geez. He was a five time all defensive player. Ten time all star career leader in.

[Trey Kirby]

Steals to this day.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes. Right. Still. Yeah, by a mile. Yeah. All right, Good stuff. You guys are cooking. All right. This one's fun because I think. Wait, were we in the building for this? I can't remember, but we were in the city. I know that DeAndre Jordan competed in the 2017 NBA Dunk Contest in Charlotte. We were there in Charlotte.

[Tasmelis]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Where we at the dunk contest? I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

Probably.

[JD (Super Producer)]

Why wouldn't we?

[Jay Skeets]

I wasn't sure if we were. But anyway. DeAndre Jordan, 2017 NBA dunk contest in Charlotte. Who were the other three participants?

[Tasmelis]

I think we're in that brewery watching it all together.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

Call.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think we were there for this.

[Tasmelis]

I know the man.

[Jay Skeets]

Guess what? Thank God.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, so give me the other three participants. Obviously you're not googling over there.

[Trey Kirby]

No, but I was checking to see where we are in Charlotte.

[Tasmelis]

Okay, you're right.

[Trey Kirby]

We were at a thing.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, we were at that brewery.

[Trey Kirby]

We had a really cool neon looking sign. We got some great photos for this one.

[Tasmelis]

Oh, wow.

[JD (Super Producer)]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

That's really cool.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, nice.

[Tasmelis]

Well, the one guy whose leg hit an airplane.

[Trey Kirby]

100.

[Tasmelis]

That's the one that sticks out. He had an airplane on the floor.

[Jay Skeets]

It wasn't the John Collins got the wrong nut contest.

[Tasmelis]

Nuts. Okay, now you know everything.

[Trey Kirby]

This changes everything.

[Jay Skeets]

Now you got me fact checking my own freaking trivia.

[Tasmelis]

But no, I don't know why.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, you're wrong. You're wrong.

[Tasmelis]

Huh?

[Jay Skeets]

You got the wrong year.

[Trey Kirby]

2019.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, you were in the.

[Trey Kirby]

In the thing. They were there twice.

[Jay Skeets]

They were there twice. They were there twice.

[Trey Kirby]

So 2017. 2019. Different. Different.

[Tasmelis]

2017. They're in New Orleans.

[Trey Kirby]

No, I don't know what's going on.

[Tasmelis]

No.

[Jay Skeets]

Maybe I have the Euro or the location.

[Trey Kirby]

All right, DeAndre.

[Tasmelis]

So, yo, you threw us off. You threw us off.

[Trey Kirby]

I was thinking for sure it was going to be John Collins.

[Jay Skeets]

Hold on.

[Tasmelis]

Because we were in Charlotte at a brewery.

[Jay Skeets]

I threw you off. Why did I tell you the city? Why did I do that?

[Tasmelis]

Because New Orleans was 2017. If. If that's what you're referring to. Okay, well, then don't worry about confusing, because Charlotte. It was supposed to be in Charlotte, and then it got that.

[Jay Skeets]

That got me.

[Tasmelis]

Yep. The actual Charlotte that we were in was 2019.

[Jay Skeets]

Correct. I'm wrong. It was supposed to be in Charlotte. It wasn't. It was. This is in New Orleans task was. Right.

[Trey Kirby]

2017 is the year I ruined it all by.

[Tasmelis]

Where are we? Okay, so now think of the year 2017. We're in New Orleans.

[Trey Kirby]

Like a. Yeah, like a. Glenn Robinson the third.

[Jay Skeets]

Correct. That's your winner.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

Of the dunk contest, was it Derek Jones Jr. Correct. One more. One of the greatest dunkers we've ever seen.

[Trey Kirby]

James Flight White.

[Jay Skeets]

Nope.

[Tasmelis]

Aaron Gordon.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. This was the drone year.

[Trey Kirby]

Drone.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. This was a horrible dunk contest. Nobody could put down a dunk except Glenn Robinson jumping over people and doing reverses.

[Trey Kirby]

That's what he did.

[Jay Skeets]

He basically won because I don't. I. Was it Derek Jones Jr. In the final? And I think he kept botching his dunks.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, it was a bad one, I'd say.

[Jay Skeets]

My bad on that Charlotte.

[Tasmelis]

I'd say you guys had a better dunk contest in New Orleans because you guys. You guys did your dunk off in the Superdome.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that was a good one, too.

[Trey Kirby]

Pretty funny.

[Tasmelis]

There was curtains. Yeah, yeah, but there's curtains, like, sectioned it off and you guys had. JD Obviously had to film it along with. Was Maddie filming.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, yeah. One of the big innovations that year, Phantom cam. They'd added slow mo to the iPhone. Camera.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow.

[Lego Star Wars Advertiser]

Was that rim rockers as well that year?

[Trey Kirby]

I thought rim rockers was la.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it was la. That's the next.

[Tasmelis]

Oh, that was bad.

[Trey Kirby]

I'll never forget. We were doing that and Bol Bol walked in with Migo. So I was like, this guy ain't gonna make it. Get serious, buddy.

[Tasmelis]

Get serious.

[Jay Skeets]

What year did you and me do some weird activation thing with Bradley Beal and Anthony Davis?

[Tasmelis]

I think that might have been la.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that was.

[Tasmelis]

It was virtual reality. But he was shooting.

[Jay Skeets]

That was so weird. Yeah, he was shooting a basketball on a basketball net. But wearing those virtual. Yeah, the virtual headset.

[Tasmelis]

The Oculus or whatever.

[Jay Skeets]

Early Oculus, maybe. Maybe it wasn't even Oculus. I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

We love brand integration.

[Jay Skeets]

It all started. We sure do.

[JD (Super Producer)]

We sure do.

[Jay Skeets]

Wait till a little bit later in the show.

[Trey Kirby]

All right.

[Jay Skeets]

John Morant was 20 years and 183 days old when he posted a 27 point triple double. Okay, can you name the only two guys to have a 25 point triple double at the age of 19.

[Trey Kirby]

LeBron.

[Jay Skeets]

No. LeBron's first 25 point triple double came 20 days after he turned 20. So very close.

[Trey Kirby]

Slacking.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tasmelis]

At the age of 19.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. This guy did it twice. One guy did and then one guy did it once. They're both current players.

[Trey Kirby]

Luka Doncic.

[Jay Skeets]

He did it twice. Nice. Turning 20.

[Tasmelis]

The age didn't hit me with. With Luka.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tasmelis]

Is it possible? Because I thought Luka. But I thought he was too old. Zion.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no, no.

[Trey Kirby]

Josh Giddey.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes. Good girl. Guys.

[Tasmelis]

Whoa.

[Jay Skeets]

Remember that?

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

That was like a big deal. Yep, 25 point triple double. Those guys, Luka and Giddy before they turned 20. In 2018, Joel Embiid became the third player since the NBA ABA merger, which was 76, 77, just for everybody to average at least 27 points per game and 13 rebounds per game. Can you name the first two guys to do that and the two that have done it since? I'm looking for 27 and 13 boards again from the 76, 77 season. So two did it before and be. And then two have done it after. Embiid in that year. 18, 19. Okay.

[Tasmelis]

Oh, in that year.

[Jay Skeets]

No, like before 18 19.

[Tasmelis]

Did Shaq do it?

[Jay Skeets]

Shaq did it.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. You gotta guess, Jack.

[Jay Skeets]

Shaq did it actually twice. He did it once in Orlando and later with the Lakers.

[Trey Kirby]

How about Nicole Jokic?

[Jay Skeets]

He is the one. He's one of the guys that have done it since he did it in the 2021 season, and I think he's currently doing it too.

[Trey Kirby]

But yeah, he didn't quite get the 13 boards last year, I don't think.

[Jay Skeets]

Right. Yep. Okay. You got one prior and one ladder.

[Trey Kirby]

Anthony Davis. No, he's probably a little low on the score.

[Jay Skeets]

I'll say. You got to go pretty old, like older for the. The guy that did it prior. And then you can obviously get Kareem.

[Trey Kirby]

No, it would have been a lot for him later in his career. Okay, so we're talking like an 80s 90s guy.

[Jay Skeets]

You're talking an 80s guy.

[Trey Kirby]

He played 80s.

[Jay Skeets]

He played in the 90s. But you're talking Moses Malone did it back to back years with the Rockets.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

And now you got one more current player.

[Trey Kirby]

Current player.

[Tasmelis]

Yanis.

[Jay Skeets]

There you go.

[Trey Kirby]

Nice one.

[Jay Skeets]

1920 MVP season. He only played 63 games. So in today's roles, he would not have got that MVP, but he did average 2713. Well done. You guys are cooking, man. All right. Here's a fun one because this guy came up on the All Wash team. What is Bradley Beal's career high for points in a game?

[Tasmelis]

High.

[Trey Kirby]

He led the league in scoring.

[Tasmelis]

One year high. He did 30.1.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm looking for one game. Sorry.

[Tasmelis]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

A career high in a game.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah. Not that high. I don't think he had a monster.

[Jay Skeets]

No, I think you should stick with your gut when you said hi.

[Tasmelis]

Well, I know because he did lead the league in.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tasmelis]

Scoring one year. But I just thought he scored like a Shea 31 every single day.

[Jay Skeets]

No, he had one monster game here in particular against. Well, I won't tell you the team.

[Trey Kirby]

But give me a solid 60. Right on the nose.

[Tasmelis]

You nailed it.

[Jay Skeets]

That's right. Can you. Can you tell me the team? Beal did it again. No bonus points. Eastern Conference team.

[Tasmelis]

Boston?

[Jay Skeets]

No, close. I would say close in a legendary team.

[Trey Kirby]

Knicks?

[Jay Skeets]

No, the other one.

[Trey Kirby]

I would say Philadelphia 76ers.

[Jay Skeets]

Those are your three OG Eastern Conference teams to be. Ellie. Well, I mean, the Bulls obviously do good stuff.

[JD (Super Producer)]

60.

[Jay Skeets]

That was Beals career high. Final one. You brought up his bald spot earlier. Al Horford is the third oldest player to make five plus threes in a playoff game. He hit seven at the age of 37 years and 357 days old. Nearly 38 years old. Can you name the only three. Sorry? Can you. Can you name the only three older players to drop five plus threes in a playoff Game?

[Trey Kirby]

How old was he?

[Tasmelis]

37 and 37.

[Jay Skeets]

He was just under 38.

[Tasmelis]

Wow.

[Trey Kirby]

LeBron.

[Jay Skeets]

LeBron is one five plus threes in a playoff game.

[Tasmelis]

You said Ray. Was he old enough? I don't know if Ray Allen was old enough.

[Jay Skeets]

Nope. Ray Allen was just under Al Horford just under.

[Trey Kirby]

I'm thinking Reggie would be a little too young as well.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep, Yep. I'll give you some Curry.

[Trey Kirby]

Is Curry old enough yet? No, he's not.

[Jay Skeets]

No.

[Tasmelis]

Was there a weird Kyle Korver year that he was old enough?

[Jay Skeets]

No. I'm gonna. This guy was. He did it probably in his championship year. So he was an older guy.

[Trey Kirby]

Dirk Nowitzki.

[Jay Skeets]

No, but you're a cool Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He was old. He was old at the end there.

[Tasmelis]

Wow, that's a lot of threes for Jason Kidd.

[Jay Skeets]

I know. And then this last one, this final name, I'm gonna have to give you hints because this guy was not a three point shooter. He was 38 years old when he did it and he did it for I'll give you the team. He did it for the Houston Rockets. They took on the utah jazz in 1997. You don't even think of this guy as a Houston Rocket. You think of him as a Phoenix Sun. I'll give you that.

[Trey Kirby]

Think of him as a Phoenix Sun.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tasmelis]

Who would have?

[Jay Skeets]

Honestly? He was not a three point shooter. He hit five threes. He scored 31 points in this game anyway.

[Trey Kirby]

Barkley.

[Jay Skeets]

No, not Barkley.

[Trey Kirby]

That would be weird, sir.

[Tasmelis]

You think of him as a Utah Jazz. No, he plays Utah Jazz.

[Jay Skeets]

In fact, he's still you. Who? You hear him.

[Tasmelis]

Eddie.

[Jay Skeets]

Eddie Johnson.

[Trey Kirby]

Why? You don't think of him as a Rocket at all? No, I'd say Sonics next after Suns.

[Jay Skeets]

Absolutely. And he was not a three point shooter either, so good job, LeBron, Jason Kidd, and then Eddie Johnson. There you go. You guys just did NBA trivia and you guys just knocked out.

[Trey Kirby]

I love it.

[Jay Skeets]

You love it?

[JD (Super Producer)]

I love it.

[Jay Skeets]

I love putting this together for you guys. Thanks to basketball reference for inspiring if not coming up with a few of those.

[Trey Kirby]

And thanks to Eddie Johnson for these nicknames on basketball. Basketball reference. Piggy, the smooth shooter, and the man.

[Jay Skeets]

Who put the J in jump shot. Those are three of the worst nicknames I've ever heard. You like? Piggy's the best of the bunch, but that's saying something. The man who put the J in jump shot is just rolls off the tug. Yeah.

[JD (Super Producer)]

Okay.

[Tasmelis]

Playback is supposed to create an option where you can play a trivia game.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, you know, when's it happen?

[Tasmelis]

Let's go. Playback. We're supposed to have it going so we could do it with anyone out there.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, we can bring fans up. I can test their knowledge. Hell, yeah.

[Tasmelis]

Let's do it.

[Jay Skeets]

All right. Before we get to tonight's pickup, we got to get to that big news I teased off the top. Our friends at peloton wanted to bring back a classic segment, so I am proud to say, for the first time in a very long time, whoa, boy. Whoa boy. Whoa boy. It's the fantasy line of the night. It's back. Oh, my God. Peloton. Great to have woah boy back in our lives. And who gets our first woah boy in a long time? The donk. Luka Doncic. In a win over the Jazz, 37 points, five boards, 10 assists, four steals. He struggled with this three point shot. He turned the ball over a little too much, but he shot 50% from the field. 13 of 16 at the line. He was a plus 10. So Luca gets The Willboy of the night.

[Tasmelis]

Very well produced. JD I love seeing the music was nice. The streams in the back.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tasmelis]

Just grew in a shout out to.

[Jay Skeets]

Our guy, Matt Houston for the design work there on that new graphic for WO Boy. Come on, man.

[Trey Kirby]

What a beautiful graphic.

[Tasmelis]

Colors are out of this world.

[Jay Skeets]

Hey, Peloton. Good stuff, good stuff.

[Trey Kirby]

Really good stuff.

[Jay Skeets]

People in the Stream team, let Peloton know if you want Woah Boy to continue.

[Tasmelis]

Okay?

[Jay Skeets]

That's all I'll say.

[Tasmelis]

And tell Playback they got to get the trivia game up.

[Jay Skeets]

Get that going too. Well, we could do around the room.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, I know we could.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, there's only three of us though.

[Trey Kirby]

J.D.

[Jay Skeets]

You got to participate.

[Tasmelis]

Okay. We need a fifth.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, we need a host too. Yeah, yeah, Ash can host. He's coming in today.

[Tasmelis]

We get a crossfire. There's the one on one thing going on too.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tasmelis]

But you know, trivia's.

[Jay Skeets]

Trivia's fun. Well, we love trivia, though. We're just sickos. When I do it, I'm like, I forget we're even doing a show. I'm just asking questions. This is all we do with our buddies as it is, so might as well turn it into a content.

[Tasmelis]

Here's a question. Who's gonna win tonight, the Rockets or the Cavs? That's nice because it's a legitimately tough question. You go to pick them. We had nine games. There's three games which are one or one and a half point spread.

[Jay Skeets]

Really? Yeah.

[Tasmelis]

We got a Hornets, Jazz, Hornets. No, excuse me. Hornets, Pacers. That one's nice and close. Raptor Sixers as well.

[Jay Skeets]

Hornets, Pacers is a nut Dust bowl game. No, it's not. No, no, nobody has.

[Tasmelis]

Hornets. Hornets have been removed.

[Jay Skeets]

I need the Pacers to win. That is what we're saying.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Tasmelis]

That's a big.

[Trey Kirby]

That's a winnable game for the Pacers right there.

[Tasmelis]

Hornets, Pacers, Raptors. Six is also a very close line, but the Rockets Cavs is on espn and it's the question, what are these Cleveland Cavaliers?

[Jay Skeets]

What are they?

[Tasmelis]

10, 5. But as you threw in your power rankings, you questioned how good this team is, Trey. And it's a legitimate question. They just. Yeah, they get monster performances from Donovan Mitchell, but it doesn't feel like they. Doesn't feel like they're at the top of the conference right now playing a Houston Rockets team that's obviously playing extremely well. So I was comfortable taking the calves, even though it was a real big question mark for me. While you guys taking The Rockets. Yeah. One two in a row for sure. You guys have the Rockets and you gotta win by two, but it's basically a pick. I'm here.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm excited to see Amen Thompson on Donovan Mitchell. I assume he gets that assignment for a majority of the game.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah, that'd be fun. Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

Because Mitchell looked awesome in that last game against the Bucks. So Amen Thompson, they're gonna be like, hey, try and shut him down. So that'd be fun. All right, so you got the Cavs, you got a point to play with as the home dogs, and we need the Rocket swim by two. Yeah.

[Tasmelis]

Nine games. Looks like a good sketch as I brought up a few of them there. Yeah. Warriors, Heat. That's a good game.

[Jay Skeets]

Warriors. Heat's okay. Back to the back to back Florida contest there for the dubs, eh? Bulls, Blazers, Nuggets, Pelicans, Knicks, Mavericks on.

[Tasmelis]

The SEC as a second game of espn. You know, no one's feeling that right now, but you never know. You never know.

[Jay Skeets]

Later today on playback, where we await for them to launch their new trivia game Trey will be doing. Bulls are back watching those old 72 and 10 Chicago Bulls. Let me take a look. The games they played this particular week back in that season.

[Trey Kirby]

I think it's a heavy sked.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, really?

[Trey Kirby]

Heavy sked?

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Four games. I think it's a four gamer. Wow. Okay, well, join Trey at 3:00pm Eastern on playback.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, yes. Yes, indeed.

[Jay Skeets]

Who you got?

[Trey Kirby]

It's the west coast road trip, the rodeo trip that the Bulls use to take.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Mavericks, Spurs, Jazz, Sonics. Those are great teams in the Western.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow. Holy. Yeah, we'll see if they get handed.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, not the Mavericks, but the other ones.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tasmelis]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

So will the Bulls lose their second game early on here?

[Trey Kirby]

Tune in to find out.

[Jay Skeets]

Second or third for all we know. Who knows? Who knows? I don't know. I don't know how it went. That's why he's doing this. So join Trey on playback at 3:00pm all right, that's it for us. Thanks for joining us on the stream team here on YouTube. Hit the like button. Subscribe, podcast listeners. I'm holding up a 5. I just realized that doesn't work for the podcast listeners.

[Trey Kirby]

We still love those reviews.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Trey Kirby]

We gotta talk to our friends.

[Jay Skeets]

I like seeing people. I've said this before on Spotify. At least you can comment on the actual show itself. I like that. I like that somebody was mad yesterday. Stop making excuses for calf injuries. It's a professional sport. Guys get injured.

[Trey Kirby]

It'S true. Injuries are a part of the game. Unfortunately. Too big of a part.

[Jay Skeets]

I didn't think we went that hard on conspiracy theories, but. Okay, okay. Hey, we read all the comments and appreciate you for downloading and subscribing. Wherever you get. No dunks as a podcast until tomorrow. Clipper Bros. You heard it here first.

[Trey Kirby]

Have a great time. Turn up.

[Jay Skeets]

Love you guys.

[Trey Kirby]

Awesome.

[Tasmelis]

Thanks for joining us. And remember, the pistons are on 11 game win streak. Were any you guys at the game last night here in Atlanta?

[Jay Skeets]

I was playing hoops myself.

[Tasmelis]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, same. Oh, wow.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah. You. Your season already started again?

[Trey Kirby]

Season is back, baby.

[Jay Skeets]

Holy moly.

[Trey Kirby]

We're looking pretty good. Got a plus 37 point differential. After one night.

[Jay Skeets]

You cooked last night it was a new team.

[Tasmelis]

New team in the league.

[Jay Skeets]

Same team from previous.

[Trey Kirby]

This is the team we beat in the first round of the playoffs from last year. And they. I think it's a rebuilding season.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, they lost maybe a couple guys or two or something.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I think they're stocking up for the next next season.

[Tasmelis]

You guys play point differential or. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Comes down to tiebreakers.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, for tiebreakers.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow. Play to the final buzzer.

[Trey Kirby]

That's right. Well, I mean, when you're out that much, there's no final buzzer. It's just the refs calling it with two and a half minutes left. All right.

[Jay Skeets]

Big call game.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, when it's like that big of a blowout, for sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Well then point. What about the point differential?

[Trey Kirby]

Hey man. Plus 37. I bet we're in first.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, fair enough. Alright, we'll be back tomorrow. Embrace the day, people.

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[Tasmelis]

All.

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[Jay Skeets]

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