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Jay Skeets
Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the no Dunks podcast presented by FanDuel. It's Wednesday, December 10th, 2025. I'm Jay Skeets, back in the classic factory and alongside me, as always, Tas Melas.
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Tas Melas
Podcast listeners, this is for you.
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Jay Skeets
Next to him, it's my top shot, hot boy, Trey Kirby Ayo. Hey. And over yonder, making the magic Happen, super producer JD.
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Tas Melas
Hello.
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Jay Skeets
There he is. Here we are. Hello, YouTube. Hello, stream team. Hit the like button. Subscribe podcast listeners, five star ratings and reviews. On today's show, we're gonna fill up some slop buckets thanks to Shams and his inside pass. Great timing, Shams. But first, we're halfway to Vegas. So let's recap those two East NBA cup games last night. Yes, they were respected. God, we respected the hell out of the Cup. I'm doing a live chat on Substack. You're on playback. This guy's bouncing between the two. I think just crazy.
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Trey Kirby
I watched the cup at my kid's band performance.
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Jay Skeets
That's respect.
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Trey Kirby
That's respect.
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Jay Skeets
Respect.
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Trey Kirby
Hot cross buns. Hot cross buns.
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Tas Melas
Oh, I literally.
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Trey Kirby
One a penny, two a penny.
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Jay Skeets
Hot cross bunny.
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Tas Melas
That's funny you said that because I literally pulled out a recorder while I was watching the game yesterday while I was doing playback and somebody said, drop a hot crossbow. And I said, I did that a Couple days ago. Not going to do it right now.
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Jay Skeets
Well, we respected the Cup. Did the cup respect us? Yeah, that's the question. We're going to break down here today.
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Trey Kirby
75% respect. Okay, good on the return.
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Jay Skeets
Let's start with the first game last night. Desmond Bain, 37 points carrying the Magic past the Heat into the NBA cup semifinals. So they are headed to Vegas. Great start. Miami gave out gangbusters. Hitting jumpers, splashing threes. Tyler Hero had the euro and one. I think they started 7 for 7 from the floor. Defense was just as dominant. They're up big at the end of the first quarter and then the second quarter happens and that's when I thought Suggs and Anthony Black defensively started making plays. And then it was really Bane with Suggs carrying the offense and they're up at the half when they go into the locker room. And then it was just more Bane in the third quarter. What a monster game from this guy.
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Tas Melas
He was fantastic. It is odd to say that everybody respecting the NBA cup when the Orlando Magic literally came out there and just allowed Miami to take practice shots. They're up 15 nothing. This is a home game for them. You'd expect them to come out and play harder at the same time.
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Jay Skeets
Maybe it was too early.
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Tas Melas
Maybe that's 6pm Eastern. It was early. It felt like a playoff game after a while when they got back into it, those fans were into it. So super fun. It was. Yeah, that. That second unit coming in in the second quarter, really playing hard defensively. But these Desmond Bain games, they come out of nowhere. This guy's averaging 19 points per game this season. It's odd to think that when he's got these monster 37 point games. He's only had three 30 point games this season. They've all been 37 points each and every time he's hit a hat trick of 37 point performances. The best 37 point player since Dave Ste. I'd say there's no number 37 out there. Just in terms of number 37s. Is there another good one?
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Trey Kirby
Meta World peace.
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Tas Melas
Yep. Good. Good call. Yeah. With the just with the lakers only worth 37 then Derek Fisher N. It's Dave, Steve. Keith Hernandez was all right too, but Desmond Bates.
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Those makes in the fourth quarter specifically were great. The 15 point fourth quarter and we're going to start talking about Paolo Banchero and how he's adapting to this post Franz Wagner era. But I thought the first possession, when they come out of the fourth quarter, it's up to Banchero to get into that zone a little bit. He finds Bane for a three splash. Then a fast break from Bane. Then Goga falling in the middle of the key. His butt is on the floor with four heat around him. He throws it to Bane for another three. That's one heat problem. I think in this game. They're just collapsing way too much. And then the off ball pick from Goga, who's so good, Wiggy behind Desmond Bane gets downhill. And then he drove into Hero and took him there. He had five. Three or five makes, I should say, three free throws in that quarter. I don't know where these Desmond Bain performances come from, but he was feeling. He was feeling the Cup. He said it's huge, it's exciting and gives us a great opportunity to play some meaningful basketball early in the season.
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Jay Skeets
And he wants to win back some of that money that he just had to give over to the NBA. $35,000 fine for pinging OG off the head.
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Tas Melas
Even if you lost Yesterday, you get 50k.
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Jay Skeets
That's true. He had it covered.
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Trey Kirby
That's a lot for a quarterfinal lose, what you're saying.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, it was. It was just cool to see them as they. They did it as a team. You know, we miss France. They missed, but they did do it as a team. Here comes freaking Suggs and that motor. Here comes Anthony Black.
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Jay Skeets
Please call him Tony Orlando.
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Tas Melas
Get out of here, man.
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Jay Skeets
I wrote down.
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A million lines last night.
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Trey Kirby
If he keeps it up, they'll call him Tony Orlando.
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Jay Skeets
No, they won't.
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Tas Melas
You know, it's the NBA company. They got Air Collins working on there, but Tony Orlando. Come on.
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Trey Kirby
Come on.
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Jay Skeets
What do you think of this one?
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Trey Kirby
Weird game is what I think. Like you said, he. He didn't miss for the first three and a half minutes. So when you think about it, 25 point blowout. 25 point blowout.
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Tas Melas
Yeah.
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Trey Kirby
For the Orlando Magic in the last 45 minutes. And basically what's happened with Desmond Bain is that the Magic have realized this guy loves a pitch back. They set a screen for him. If he's not open, coming around for a wide open three, he just tosses it to the big guy and then goes to the other side of the pick and they flip it right back to him. He's got pretty good chemistry on that right now with. With Wendell Carter Jr. And with Goga, who I thought both played really solid basketball last night. I also like that Eric Collins mentioned Bane tied the franchise record for points in an NBA cup game. Cool. You know who held the previous Record Desmond Bain. Oh yeah, 37 again. But the way he does the pitch back reminds me of Bam out of Bio and Duncan Robinson. Actually when Duncan was on the heat, that was a way he got a lot of shots. It gives the guard in this scenario either Duncan or Bane, it gives him a three point shot and if not, it gives them a little bit of a Runway to drive and get downhill. He was really good getting downhill. Made his three pointers as well. And I thought in general Carter and Goga outplayed the Miami bigs. Bam had a really good game. He was doing everything for Miami. But he was completely negated by what Wendell Carter Jr. And Goga did. 14 and 10 with three assists and a block for Carter. And then Goga had the one assist off the booty and then seven points, six rebounds, two blocks. They were a force inside both of them. Completely shutting things down on the defensive end and then contributing on the offensive end. The Paolo like fit in, fit out factor I thought was perfect. This was an encouraging game if you're watching to see how he's going to fit alongside the Magic after they've figured out how to play together. There was a bunch of hero ball possessions, but it was when the Magic needed it or it was when he had a nasty mismatch and he could go to work. Otherwise he was happy to play off the ball or move the ball. He was getting in on the pitch back game to Desmond Bain as well. This was pretty solid, I thought from Paolo.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, he didn't dribble the snot out of the ball. He actually was adapting. He made some great passes when he drove heads up. Tossed back above the break for a great three. That was real, real sweet. Then he had another one to find Suggs in the corner when he has back to the basket and it looked like, okay, he's going to take one of those turnaround shots. Ain't going to look good. But he finds Suggs in the corner. Now his finishing could have been better in the first quarter. He missed every freaking shot. He just wasn't. It wasn't clicking. He wasn't there. He missed also Ms. Bane when he was wide open on a baseline, didn't go to him, but he was playing the right way and the passes were there and he's just adapting. He is. He is in that Orlando Magic mode. We're all playing together here and it helps to have Wendell Carter Jr. And Goga as the pick bros. I mean they just set so many picks and create so much space. They're all Playing together.
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Jay Skeets
The Magic are a bad matchup for the Heat because the Heat want to play ISO ball and they want to get quick shots up in like the first six or seven. Seven. Six or seven seconds. Okay, sure. As they come down. And you can do that against a lot of teams because there's usually a bad defender or two. But Magic don't have a lot of them out there. I mean, you could pick on Tyus Jones if you want to, but it's not like he plays a ton of. And otherwise, I mean, maybe De Silva a little bit, but these guys are just great defenders. They're strong. Obviously, in Bane's case, Suggs is awesome. All these bigs that you guys are talking about. So they were just like so many of these shots after that red hot start. It was like, like floater city. Like these aren't. They're not easy shots, though. I mean, they attack. That's what they do. And they've done all season, the Heat in that offense. But it's a lot of Davian Mitchell floaters and Tyler Hero floaters because they attack early. But I thought they were doing a pretty good job. Stay in front of them. And then on the other end, you know, the Heat went to a zone. They went to his own defense, especially when Jonathan Isaac was out there. You get the. You get the thinking behind that. It's like, okay, we don't have to worry about him because he's not going to score. But Magic did a good job. They found Black cutting back door once for an easy one inside. And then Bane just exposed it because he felt good from three. And then when he's ever saw Hero, I'm just attacking him. Like, Hero's just too light in the shorts for a guy like Desmond Bane. So I think this is a really bad matchup for the Heat. The Orlando, the way they play and the personnel they have, and they're just a good team, too.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, they were collapsing a little too hard in that zone to allow the open three. So I thought Davion, Drew Smith, I mean, they missed. They just allowed Bane to shoot. So two big threes for him when they just allowed him to be open. I think Spoelstra is doing a smart job of not putting Hero on Bane. Bane only scored two buckets, I think, against Tyler Herron, but he can. Yeah, he can control those shorts when he wants to if it's Hero in front of him. But yeah, they were.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah, they went cold too.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah, they were getting 33 from three. Yeah, Norm Powell shot two airballs yeah. On wide open shots. The book's a little bit out on Miami right now. They're struggling their last five games. They're only 19th in offense. Certain fella has come back to play. I think that's kind of notable. But basically, if you get back on defense, you have a chance against Miami. And the Magic are smart. They get back on defense. They made the effort to have to guard for an entire possession. You were seeing possessions go into the last five seconds of the shot clock a lot of times for Miami, if you can stop their initial attack, there's not a lot of great players on Miami. They surprised people early in the season. It's just like Memphis last year. Memphis got out to a really hot start offensively playing way different than anybody else. Same exact system in Miami. Caught people by surprise. And now everybody's catching up when a guy like Hawkez can't score. Like I thought he was brutal last night. He got to 10 points, but he missed so many easy ones he was falling over all the time. Cone on defense. If they're not going to be able to shoot threes, it's going to be tough for Miami. And like I said, they went 8 for 33 last night. Got out shot by the Magic like the mat. The reason the heater collapsing on this zone and giving up the shots is because the Magic can't really shoot. It's bane sometimes it Suggs, but they made enough last night.
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Jay Skeets
And Wendell Carter Jr hit a couple corner.
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Trey Kirby
Couple corner bombs.
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Tas Melas
40% from the good at that. Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
So I, I like the Magic advancing here to Vegas because it, it sort of follows a trend potentially. If they can keep moving on and maybe get to the finals. In each of the seasons we've had the NBA cup so far, we had like a young contender. Right. Reach the finals sort of previewing maybe what's to come. 20, 23, first year of the Cup. That was the Pacers pace. They got to the finals of the NBA cup and eventually went to the conference finals in 23 and then obviously to the finals in 24. Last year, it's OKC reaching the final of the Cup. They lose that game, they go on to win the whole thing. So maybe this bodes well. I'm saying here for the Atlanta Magic, who we came into the season with a lot of hope for their potential to be one of the better teams in the Eastern Conference. And after a very slow start and unfortunate injuries, they are ticking their way up here. And I like that they're there. I like that they're one of the representatives there because it feels like it's going to be a lot of the older sort of more established teams. But it's always fun to have one maybe like on the come up type team.
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Tas Melas
Yeah. They can definitely repeat what the Pacers did and season number one and get there. They seem into it, everybody on the team, even the coaches. I know Rajakovic was super pumped with the Raptors. That Jamal Mosley was also excited. These NBA cup games feel different and our guys have bought into it. I know a lot of fan bases are saying NBA Cup.
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Trey Kirby
I don't like it.
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Tas Melas
It reduces the amount of games we were seeing here in the middle of the week. So fan bases just don't have their team playing. I get it. You know, just four games over the course of two days and we had a light Monday and a light Thursday. It stinks for some teams and for fans. But Amazon is paying those dollars to the NBA and willing to take this to another level. Because last year I literally can't remember who was airing the quarterfinal games. I don't. Yeah, I don't know. But now. Now they actually have the. Definitely after two seasons they gave this a shot. This is season number three. They've got one. One TV provider or app provider, whatever you call it, to do it. And so it's big. It's bigger now. It is.
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Jay Skeets
I. I agree with that.
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Tas Melas
Yeah. Even. Even if there are less people watch, I don't think there's a ton of people watching. Freaking quarterfinals of the NBA cup, let's be honest. But they're making it more of a thing.
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Jay Skeets
Anything else?
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Trey Kirby
Here's a. Here's a. A take. We heard.
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At a bar recently. Winning the NBA cup is more impressive than winning a slam dunk contest. It means more to a guy's legacy in particular LeBron James.
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Tas Melas
A legacy. I would say initially.
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Jay Skeets
I forgot about this debate.
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Tas Melas
It's more for a team, for sure. Because you slant.
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Jay Skeets
The only team to win the slam dunk contest was John Wall Paul George and whoever the hell the third guy was. I don't remember.
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Trey Kirby
No, but like career accomplishments. Would you be more proud of being a cup winner or a dunk contest win winner?
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Jay Skeets
A dunk contest winner By a mile. Yeah, by a mile.
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Tas Melas
It's hard to dis. It's hard to disagree.
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Jay Skeets
In my opinion.
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Tas Melas
I guess it could. The only knock against the dunk contest. What if it was a crappy dunk contest? I mean, every contest. No, come on.
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If. If Aaron Gordon won NBA cup, it ain't as good as him being in the dunk contest, even though he didn't. He didn't even win. Yeah, Run her up.
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Jay Skeets
Run her up in a dunk contest. Better than win the Cup. No. And I love the Cup. I love the Cup. Anything else on the game? Because we got a lot of random notes I want to touch on from this game and. And even the second one we'll get to.
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Trey Kirby
I like what I saw from De Silva last night as well.
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Jay Skeets
He's good.
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Trey Kirby
He's a little bit of a game changer, I thought, in the first half for the Magic to get back into the game.
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Tas Melas
So many Germans on this team. Hopefully.
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Jay Skeets
You think they'll travel to Vegas? The Germans? The fan base.
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Tas Melas
Oh, the fan base. The Germany as a country.
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Jay Skeets
Yes.
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Tas Melas
I thought you're referring to Da Silva. Is he gonna be in Vegas?
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Jay Skeets
I got three of them on the squad.
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Tas Melas
Three of squad. You've got Anthony Black, who can speak German. Apparently, he spoke it as a baby. They're going to Berlin. Hopefully Franz Wagner will be back for that game.
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Jay Skeets
Oh, right.
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Tas Melas
Because that's, you know, five and a half weeks, I guess, in January. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Jay Skeets
Okay. Oh, that's their. That's their version of JD And I going to France last year for Wemby. To Paris. They're just going to Berlin.
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Tas Melas
Yeah. But then there's another. There's a second game in Europe. Oh.
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In London.
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Jay Skeets
Yes.
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Tas Melas
Somewhere.
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Jay Skeets
Manchester. I don't know.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, I think so. I think it is. I think it is London. Was it. Was it weird not seeing a NBA cup? I didn't know that was that random. Didn't seem that random.
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Jay Skeets
That's right. You said it. I mean, the Orlando NBA cup, gone. Apparently, it was damaged.
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What the hell does that mean?
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Trey Kirby
Desmond Bain, bro, probably broke it. That guy's ornery.
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Tas Melas
He said it was the CCO of the Magic. Said it was damaged in storage.
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Jay Skeets
Oh, okay. Water damage, you think?
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Tas Melas
It's a good question.
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Jay Skeets
Do you think at this point.
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Tas Melas
You know what's funny is that the CCO's name is Joel Glass. The cord is not Glass.
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Jay Skeets
Do you think at this point, with the Lakers not playing on their court, I don't know what they're doing tonight because Luka was like, that thing's too slippery. So they didn't play for one of the games. Now the Magic not playing on it for one of the quarterfinal games. Do you think Victor Solomon should have to give some money back? Your thoughts?
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Trey Kirby
Yeah. Whatever. It is prorated.
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Jay Skeets
I agree.
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Trey Kirby
However many games there, we're not even Playing on these things 50 games, we've already. Two of them have not worked. That'd be 4%. So he's got to send it back in.
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Tas Melas
Okay, good.
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Trey Kirby
Victor Solomon's getting canceled next year. They're going to say we're just going normal courts.
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Tas Melas
Come on. This Magic court is not his fault.
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Trey Kirby
It's 100% his fault. He recommended the paints, the damage in storage.
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Tas Melas
However, I do agree that the Lakers court was his fault. Solomon should be docked 2% or whatever. Half the 4%.
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Jay Skeets
Okay. Yeah. I guess we don't know if they're playing on it tonight.
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Tas Melas
I'd say no. Is there a fanduel line? Will they play on their NBA cup court?
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Trey Kirby
It's a 0.5. Are you taking higher or lower on 0.5 cup courts?
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Tas Melas
So they didn't play at their last NBA cup court game?
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Jay Skeets
Nope.
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Tas Melas
Or NBA cup game. So I. I'd guess no.
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Jay Skeets
Unless they fix the. The. Yeah, exactly. The varnish on it or whatever was making it slippery. Yeah.
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Tas Melas
Or. Yeah. Maybe Luca just feels like it's slippery. I don't know. Not to get all personal with Luca, but did it feel different watching an NBA cup game without the court?
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Jay Skeets
Not at all. No. Not to me. The crowd was into it. All the graphics are still NBA cup related. I was perfectly fine with it. I wish the Raptors didn't have their NBA cup court for the second game because that looks like he should give money back for that one too, because that one's just garbage looking.
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Trey Kirby
That's very red.
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Tas Melas
Very red. Maroon. He was marooned much? Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
A couple other notes here. Andrew Wiggins, wild neck beard on this guy, right? Moly.
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That's a really thick, like, under his actual beard, like at the neck. I just really noticed it last.
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Tas Melas
Yeah.
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Trey Kirby
He's on his way to be becoming a Solomon Hill, like, character.
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Jay Skeets
Not Victor Solomon.
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Trey Kirby
No, no. Victor would have a very clean line underneath and Wiggins doesn't. It really goes against his, like, smiley Persona.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah.
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Trey Kirby
I think trying to toughen up out there.
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Jay Skeets
We had a shot clock malfunctioning late in the first quarter. I mean, we had. Everybody was getting a little ornery. The crowd, the players, even the refs were getting restless with this one because it kept happening. And we eventually got to the PA announcer having to do the old countdown on the mic for. For a little bit, I guess. They got it fixed, didn't they? They did in the second quarter there.
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Tas Melas
But didn't take too long.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah, no, I'm with the facilities there. I know I gotta get this CCO.
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Jay Skeets
On the case, I did, like, one of the timeouts where they have the fans come out and do one of the challenges. A fan rocking a Sean Kemp Magic jersey. Oh, that was nice. Cool. He was not good in the shooting challenge. He was quite bad. Nearly came back to win, though, because the other guy was just as bad. They were doing some sort of, like, you know, layups and free throws. I think they ran, like, a little skills challenge, but Sean Kemp Magic jersey. I was like, wow, cool.
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Trey Kirby
Was he 40? Was he a magic 40?
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Jay Skeets
Okay. I like this moment from Spo in one of the clips they showed us. Nobody's making enough of an effort to get to Vegas right now.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, he pointed that out.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah. And then immediately after they showed us that clip, Desmond Bain scored on a pretty easy layup. The effort was still not there.
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Trey Kirby
I didn't want to go.
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Jay Skeets
And that's all I have for random notes from this one.
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Trey Kirby
I wrote some other Eric Collins lines down. When Hero had that finish in the lane.
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Jay Skeets
Pretty Euro.
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Trey Kirby
He learned that in Milwaukee. That's not in Europe. When the Heat were blowing their gigantic lead. They were hanging on like a cat on a screen door.
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Jay Skeets
He likes that one.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah, I like that one, too.
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Trey Kirby
Tony Orlando, of course, after he. He said it. And Anthony Black scored immediately. And whoever didn't want anything to do with Tony Orlando, bam. Out of bio. Had a tough and one in the lane. And Eric Collins said he was stronger than 10 rows of onions. Yeah, that's what my right armpit smells like at the end of the night. Game got tied at 69. And he just said, no NBA players ever worn the number 60. Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
What was up with that? That one was wild. Just the fact, FYI, he's like, hopefully.
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Trey Kirby
These two teams get tied at 69. I got the perfect thing to say. And then my last one was Desmond Bain went to the free throw line at the end of the game, and he said he shoots a free throw like a gentleman.
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Jay Skeets
He said that twice, I think.
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Trey Kirby
What is this?
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Jay Skeets
He said it for another guy at the line, too. He dropped the gentleman line. Wow. Yeah, But I don't really believe he would.
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Trey Kirby
I don't get off like that.
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Jay Skeets
I don't get it. What am I missing on that? I don't get it either.
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Tas Melas
Okay. I don't get that.
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Jay Skeets
He said it twice. He said for someone else. And then the bane again.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, but he's bringing up the lines for the NBA cup game left and right. Yeah. No one's ever worn 69. I literally had to Think about it. When he said that. Is that. Number one, is there a reason? Number two, did anybody ever wear it? I think just the placement of it was fine.
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Jay Skeets
I don't think. I don't think the league would allow it.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, probably not.
- [23:20]
Jay Skeets
Yeah.
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Trey Kirby
But.
- [23:21]
Jay Skeets
But I don't think so. No.
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Tas Melas
Why not?
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Jay Skeets
Well, so it's just a number Because I say that. Because I. I'm pretty sure you couldn't. When you could do your custom jerseys and stuff. I feel like you could not get a 69 jersey.
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Trey Kirby
That's crazy.
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Jay Skeets
I mean, maybe you can now, sport.
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Tas Melas
Are you talking about. You're talking about the NBA?
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Jay Skeets
Yeah.
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Tas Melas
Custom jersey.
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Jay Skeets
Like, you know, make your own jersey. Like Melis 69. I feel like you couldn't do it.
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Tas Melas
Right. But I. I wondered if anyone had ever worn it, because I can. I can see a 69. But I guess it's just the NFL, I guess. Right?
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Trey Kirby
For sure. They got it.
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Jay Skeets
Big old offensive linemen wearing a 69.
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Trey Kirby
He's got it.
- [23:59]
Jay Skeets
Hockey's got it.
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Trey Kirby
Baseball's got it.
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Jay Skeets
Okay.
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Trey Kirby
Somebody needs to be the barrier breaker.
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Jay Skeets
It's weird. It is weird at this point.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, it is.
- [24:09]
Jay Skeets
I just don't think they'll let them for some reason.
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Tas Melas
But the inaugural 69 wearer. I will salute him, I guess.
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Jay Skeets
Hello.
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Tas Melas
Hello.
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Jay Skeets
I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast Smart Talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO, Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business? My one advice to them, pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
Wow. So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We're happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology. It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things. To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.
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Tas Melas
And Doug, what a horrible call.
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Trey Kirby
Hey, ref.
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Tas Melas
Open your eyes, ref.
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Trey Kirby
You're really not gonna to call that?
- [25:44]
Tas Melas
Come on.
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Trey Kirby
Hey, ref, why don't you customize your.
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Jay Skeets
Car insurance with Liberty Mutual and save money?
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Tas Melas
I don't think you get what we're doing.
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Trey Kirby
Sure I do. We're all just giving him advice. You guys on sports, me on saving money. Nope, that's not it. Only pay for what you need@libertymutual.com Liberty.
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Jay Skeets
Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.
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Trey Kirby
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. The holiday season can be exhausting with.
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Jay Skeets
All the parties and the end of.
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Trey Kirby
Year celebrations, but don't forget to take care of yourself by stocking up on.
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Tas Melas
Your favorite nutritional products.
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Trey Kirby
Now through December 30, shop in store and online and save on items like Cliff Snack Bars, Luna Bars, Boost Nutritional Energy Drinks, Premier Protein Shakes, Z Bar Variety Packs, Open Nature Powder and Body Fortress Protein powder. Offers end December 30th.
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Jay Skeets
Restrictions apply.
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Trey Kirby
Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
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Jay Skeets
Okay, let's move over to the other game last night. A bit of a blowout here. Jalen Brunson scoring 35. He was hot early, scored 20 in the first quarter as the Knicks ended up crushing the Raptors to reach the NBA cup semifinals. First time New York is going to Vegas in the NBA cup, so they'll take on the Magic, get another game between those two teams. But what do you think of this one where you want to start with the Knicks dominating the reps?
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Tas Melas
Of course, I do want to start with the reps, but I'm not going to. We should respect the New York Knicks. They're on their way to being the number one seed in the Eastern Conference. They are absolutely skyrocketing. They're playing so well. It started with Jalen Brunson doing whatever he wanted. Now they were running that wheel up top and getting Jacob involved. And Jacob's back. We'll. We'll talk about in a sec. But he was so freaking good. And then when he went to the bench, guys just jumped in and took over in that second quarter to create that spread. Whether it's Hart who Jakob started on defensively as they tried that move, or Mikel Bridges or OG or the Cat who had that awesome dunk. And it was actually Brandon Ingram who kind of hit Jakob Pearl as Cat was going to the basket. You literally ran into him. If you want to be a one of those fixed conspiracy people, why is he hitting him? It didn't make any sense anyways, Cat. Well, that was kind of like the dagger to me as I was watching on playback. I was like, our buddy Grish. I called it then. Is it way too early? Yeah, but it just felt like the Raptors were totally relying on Brandon Ingram. Yeah, absolutely. They can't get into their sets right now. They do miss RJ Barrett's cutting, but Yaka Purdle is sort of the centerpiece of their offense. A lot of the times going through him being that sort of connecting guy as you throw it into him. And I don't know about this back thing. We can. It's just odd with backs because he can look great two games and then have a terrible game the next night. And it could be his back where he signed through 2030. That's the scary thing with this guy. He just didn't look right. He was. They're switching everything and trying to get him evolved, as I said. But even the second chance points against him were way too easy. He's being hunted. So that's the, the scary part. The Raptors just too slow getting into their sets. And Brandon was only a minus 4 in this game. Felt like he was a minus 100, like everybody was a minus 100 because nobody could play. But as soon as Brandon Ingram went off the floor, it took him forever to get into sets. They just weren't running anything. Didn't seem like Scotty had it. Nobody had it in general around Brandon Ingram.
- [29:10]
Jay Skeets
Yeah, I mean there were some similarities to the Heat Magic game in a way because the Raptors started hot, started promising. I mean, Carl Anthony Towns picked up his two dumb fouls so he had to leave. Brunson was cooking, but Ingram was basically matching him. He had 17 in the first quarter to sort of like even out Brunson's 20. I thought the young Raptors in the first quarter were playing well. They somehow had a lead. They're up 39, 35. But then, man, second quarter they couldn't hit a shot. They just got destroyed. 34, 13 in the second quarter. And that sort of was the game there. 17, 17 point lead at halftime. And they never really got all that close in the second half.
- [29:44]
Trey Kirby
No. Maybe did they get it under 15? I don't remember.
- [29:47]
Jay Skeets
I think yeah, yeah, yeah. It got to like somewhere between 10 and 15. Yeah.
- [29:51]
Trey Kirby
Seemed to be around 15 for the entirety of the second half. I thought Brunson was just phenomenal, especially in the first quarter. 20 points on 7 of 9 shooting. And like you guys mentioned, he was basically just testing Poeltl's lateral movement the entire time. Let's get him into a screen and roll all dance and either shoot a pull up jumper or a step back jumper if it was shed. Sticking with him just too small to really challenge Brunson. The guy's used to scoring over players who are much taller than him. So you put a guy that's his size, that's easy work for Jalen Brunson, I guess. He's second in the league in first quarter scoring this season, which is kind of different than Brunson has played in the past. He's usually a fourth quarter takeover guy. But Knicks offense is really humming right now. They've won eight of their last nine games during that stretch. They're third in offense, sixth in defense. Part of it has been Josh Hart moving back into the starting lineup. Another part of it is that Mike Brown has said we're only playing one center at a time. There was a lot of talk about should Mitchell Robinson and Carl Anthony Towns start a center. It's always Towns at center. They're kind of a five out when he's the guy out there, but they're a little bit more four out, one in as well. He's setting more screens right now, which has been beneficial to Mikhail Bridges. But they just look like they know how they want to play offensively and it doesn't feel like a huge burden on Brunson to create everything like it did last season. It feels much more equal opportunity if consider the way the possession game was going. Robinson getting into his offensive rebounding with the Raptors offense totally stuck in the mud. Like if you just give New York enough opportunities, they're going to make it happen. The Raptors are struggling right now. There are seven games slump, their 28th in offense. A lot of that has been no RJ Barrett, I think missing quickly was big last night because he's the only guy who can like move around and shoot for the Raptors.
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Jay Skeets
I mean you're losing 40 points right there basically with those guys missing and like you were already going to have a tough time trying to beat the knicks. Take out 40 points. Like good luck.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah. And what do you guys think about the Juice? Michael Brady. Michael Brady. Michael Grady kept bringing up how there was zero juice for Toronto's biggest game since the 2023 play in. It was pretty dead. It was even in the first quarter.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's always not a late arriving crowd but a late arriving crowd to get into a game. I find in Toronto there, but it's too late. And then it was. Then it got. They got punked there in the second quarter and the biggest pop of the night kept. They kept showing a little tiny cute ass kid on the jumbotron. Crowd would go nuts for the kid.
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Tas Melas
Oh, they were cheering for pizza in the fourth quarter.
- [32:22]
Jay Skeets
For pizza too. Don't take me back to those days.
- [32:25]
Tas Melas
Oh yeah, we're not going there. Yeah. So it was troubling. They weren't, they weren't into it. I was. After coming off the Orlando game, I was waiting for the crowd to emulate a little bit of what's happening in Orlando. Just didn't happen. They, they did like that because they.
- [32:41]
Jay Skeets
Got their asses kicked. That felt like, to me, like the Knicks felt like men and the Raptors felt like boys and that was just like a professional ass kicking. It was. And again they're, they're down, guys. And the Pearl back injury. Scotty Barnes picked a bad time to have a brutal game. Bad, bad game from him, especially offensively. Like he couldn't hit a 3, couldn't use any of those. And then Darko, I mean, I sort of get it because you're shorthanded guys, but man, like he's playing Chucky Hepburn like first quarter minutes here and first half minutes and like he was trying a lot of guys. It's just like this. I mean this is like a win and advance type of game. And it's like, are you really taking it seriously or not? Or is it still sort of? We're a development team. We're trying to figure it out for the season.
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Tas Melas
They're trying to find something off the bench.
- [33:24]
Jay Skeets
I could have told you it's not going to be Chucky Hepburn.
- [33:27]
Tas Melas
Well, literally I was calling for A.J. lawson, who's another two way guy.
- [33:31]
Jay Skeets
The problem is it's not any of them. Grady Dick. No.
- [33:34]
Trey Kirby
Can't catch the ball.
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Tas Melas
Yeah.
- [33:37]
Jay Skeets
Bad. He might be a bust. He's a shooter that can't shoot. He's not very crafty. He can't shoot.
- [33:44]
Tas Melas
He's having a bad season, that's for sure. Oh, he sucks this season, but he can shoot the ball. Yeah, he's trying to find his role in that second, second lineup. But A.J. lawson was good against the Celtics on Sunday anyway. They were looking for somebody. They're desperately. They were men versus boys. Speaking of boys, Colin Mary boy. Oh, he was his backup for Yaka Pearl because they said, okay, we'll go to something and call him Murray Boyle because they don't have a real backup. Center Sandro Mamus is not that guy. They tried Murray Boyles and he was all right. He was trying. But it is odd what Darko went and talked about in the press conference. He said, yeah, Jakob just isn't, isn't right right now. It's not like he's. He needs to do something different on the floor. He's just not right. And maybe these two days will help him get right, but that's the scary thing. They just signed him to a monster extension, and he is everything on that offense because they don't have a backup center and they're trying to go to column Ray Boyles, who was. Who was totally fine. But the scary thing on the other side is everybody contributing. You know, Josh Hart is awesome right now.
- [34:52]
Jay Skeets
He is playing the best basketball of his career, I think, right now.
- [34:54]
Tas Melas
Yeah. Yeah. So. So they throw Jakob Pearl at him so Jakob can come off into the. Into the paint and sag off him. But splash, splash, splash. Heart was literally, you know, their second best score. I. I would say besides Brunson, but because everybody else is contributing, they're unstoppable, really. They truly were.
- [35:13]
Jay Skeets
It looked damn good when. Yeah, Mikhail Bridges is playing at the level. He's playing OG now back. He's great. You know, Cat didn't have to do a whole lot offensively. Still grabbed a ton of rebounds, had the big dunk. Like you said, Brunson's your guy. I mean, he's a lock to get. Give you 30 when he's, like, locked in and then all these other contributions. You're right. It's a good team. And I'm with you, Tas. I think I will be shocked if they're not the number one seed at the end of the regular season in Eastern Conference. That should really be their goal, too, to help their chances, obviously, in potential playoff matchups in the east to have a potential home game seven, because they're awesome at home, too. They've lost one game at Madison Square Garden.
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Trey Kirby
They are technically the fanduel favorites to make it to out of the Eastern Conference. Plus 1100 fourth favorite. Oh, wait, this is to win the finals. Anyways, I have to imagine that they are the favorites in the Eastern Conference, and they are to me, just because they got a more of a track record than the Pistons do. The Pistons have played incredible this season, but the Knicks have really started to turn things around as their schedules eased up a little bit and they've kind of established their style of play. They also made the conference finals last year. Like, Detroit hasn't won a playoff series yet, so they're gonna have to prove it a little bit come playoff time. But I would think the Knicks best team in the East.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, I thought Brunson was going to give us a 50 spot, but the Raptors just weren't good enough to make him do that to get them there. But I, I was surprised doing a playback to hear that the highest NBA cup performance was lower than 50. It's never been a 50. There's never been a 50 point game and it's only a few years old so it's sort of understandable. But. But Steph did had a 49.
- [36:54]
Last in the cup.
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Jay Skeets
That's the biggest game in any cup game.
- [36:57]
Tas Melas
Any group knockout including groups and the final.
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Jay Skeets
That doesn't count. Okay.
- [37:01]
Tas Melas
Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
Okay.
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Trey Kirby
Next plus 270 to make the finals. Okay. To win the East Cavs Pistons is how it goes right now.
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Tas Melas
The Cavs Cavs are high. Wow.
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Jay Skeets
Still hope. Let's get to some more random notes. Might as well hit it again. J.D. it's so fun. Yeah. Random.
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Start with the Tim Hortons referenced on the Amazon prime broadcast with Taylor Rooks and Steve Nash sharing their go to orders from Tim Hortons because Brandon Ingram was holding a cup of Tim's there on the bench. Didn't expect to see Tim Hortons referenced on Amazon prime last night.
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Trey Kirby
What do you think about their new coffee cup sizes?
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What were their go to orders?
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Jay Skeets
Taylor Rook said something some sort of mocha thing that I'm not familiar with.
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Tas Melas
Cafe mocha. Just a sweet.
- [37:55]
Jay Skeets
Okay.
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Tas Melas
Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
And then Nash was like just black coffee.
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Tas Melas
He has never ordered anything at Tim Hortons. If you say just black coffee.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah, it's.
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Trey Kirby
That's fine.
- [38:05]
Tas Melas
He's never ordered it.
- [38:07]
Trey Kirby
Well, yeah, that's the. I'm like there's no way he's putting dairy or sugar into his coffee and there's nothing left to put in it.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, well there's a whole frickin array of frickin Timbit. Like a little donut hole. Something. Yeah.
- [38:21]
Jay Skeets
It was funny when Nash said that. And then like Blake Griffin and Haslam were like almost like wow.
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Trey Kirby
Respect.
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Jay Skeets
Only black coffee. Because like then Haslam started talking about like he's like a Kool Aid man. Like put all the sugar you can.
- [38:34]
Tas Melas
In and stuff like that. But Blake said there's nothing more Canadian than a black coffee. That's not true. No, I know.
- [38:39]
Jay Skeets
If he had said double double. I mean I was sort of surprised he didn't say that.
- [38:43]
Tas Melas
Anyways, nobody goes to Tim Hortons. I guess that it's Tim Hortons.
- [38:47]
Trey Kirby
Are they doing roll up the rim right now?
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Tas Melas
They look like, you know. You know what's different about those cups? I've never had one, but it didn't have one of those roll up lids. Like the. The actual lid is different. Lid now, you know, you roll. Usually peel it back.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah.
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Trey Kirby
Isn't that underneath the plastic lid, the roll up?
- [39:07]
Tas Melas
Yes.
- [39:08]
Jay Skeets
Hold on, hold on. Yes.
- [39:09]
Tas Melas
But I'm saying the lid is different. You're right. I. I went from roll up. You can't used to be able to roll back the actual lid like a, you know, a brown plastic lid.
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Jay Skeets
That's more of a Starbucks lid.
- [39:19]
Tas Melas
That's a straight up. That's an elevated lid.
- [39:22]
Jay Skeets
So what's going on over there?
- [39:25]
Trey Kirby
People are saying it's the American venture capital system that has changed. Tim Hortons.
- [39:29]
Jay Skeets
That's right. That's right. They are owned by an American company. That's right.
- [39:33]
Trey Kirby
And now they got American lids.
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Jay Skeets
Hey, is this a berenst. What is it? Bernstein, Berenstein bears moment here? Am I nuts, JD or did Tim Hortons used to have the.
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Apostrophe? Oh, because there's no apostrophe now on Tim Hortons. And now I'm starting to, like, question whether there ever was one. I thought there was.
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Tas Melas
I thought there was, too. Yeah.
- [39:59]
Jay Skeets
McDonald's has one.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
And I thought Tim Hortons didn't. And it seems to be gone because I was doing a little research last night, or at least looking to see if it was there.
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Trey Kirby
Interesting.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah, Yeah.
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Tas Melas
I don't know.
- [40:08]
Jay Skeets
Somebody tell me.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah, you might have a short cook in here on new Tim Horton Coffee.
- [40:14]
Jay Skeets
You can really run it back, man.
- [40:16]
Tas Melas
You can do it.
- [40:17]
Jay Skeets
How about having Brett Berry on the call for this one?
- [40:20]
Tas Melas
Yeah. Great to hear, Brett.
- [40:21]
Jay Skeets
That was nice. He immediately dropped a John Mayer gravity reference. Did he? Yep, he sure did. I was like, oh, yeah, Bones is back. Yeah. He's talking about gravity on the court, obviously. And. And I think he was talking specifically about Brunson and the gravity. And then he made a John Mayer reference. And. And I'm pretty convinced Grady, as a good teammate, like, agreed with him. He's like, oh, yeah. But I don't know.
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Tas Melas
Maybe.
- [40:49]
Jay Skeets
Maybe Michael Grady likes John Mayer. Maybe he does. Maybe. I'm just judging here, but I thought he was just like, yeah, for sure. And then moved right on.
- [40:56]
Trey Kirby
Great.
- [40:56]
Jay Skeets
Yeah.
- [40:57]
Trey Kirby
Brent Barry. We should put in a call, get him on the show, run back the bonies.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah, yeah.
- [41:02]
Trey Kirby
And who else?
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Tas Melas
J.D.
- [41:03]
Trey Kirby
Dyer was the sideline guy talking to OG Anunoby. And people said he brought out OG's British accent.
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Jay Skeets
Yes.
- [41:08]
Trey Kirby
Kind of true.
- [41:08]
Jay Skeets
Hey, I like this guy J.D.
- [41:10]
Trey Kirby
Dyer.
- [41:11]
Jay Skeets
Oh, hell yeah.
- [41:11]
Trey Kirby
That's a great guy. I've met him a bunch of times. At like, finals and stuff like that. I really like him because he likes our show.
- [41:17]
Jay Skeets
Oh, well, that's good, too. I like him even more now. Yep. I've never met him, but I just like his energy. Yeah, obviously. Great energy as hell.
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Tas Melas
Yeah. OG shook his hand after their interview, too. And just walk away. He must like him. It's great to hear a friggin British accent. We don't hear them enough on American sports. Just any accents, really.
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Jay Skeets
How about Raptors Superfan Navbach with Santa? Got a couple looks at this last night.
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This was the best shot of the two of them. Now, did Nav brought Santa with them to the game last night? Right.
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Tas Melas
Why do you assume that?
- [41:56]
Trey Kirby
Because they're sitting next to each other.
- [41:57]
Jay Skeets
Well, Nav always has somebody sitting next to him.
- [41:59]
Trey Kirby
Yeah, that's true.
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Tas Melas
Generally.
- [42:00]
Jay Skeets
Yeah. Yeah. So I think he brought Santa.
- [42:03]
Tas Melas
I think he's just a guy. Yeah, I think he's just a guy who came dressed, but maybe. Maybe you're right.
- [42:09]
Jay Skeets
So you. Hold on. You think this is a photo op? You think Santa made his way to Nav? Because that's Nav's seat. That's where he sits and he's always with somebody. Obviously.
- [42:18]
Tas Melas
You're saying, well, I think his seat may have just been empty.
- [42:21]
Jay Skeets
No, no, no, I got. Well, I'm gonna. What's. What's Knob's representation? Oh, yeah, Rinku. I'll reach out to Rinku.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, he'll tell you.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah.
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Trey Kirby
I mean, Santa's not working yet. It's not a couple of weeks off.
- [42:37]
Tas Melas
Doesn't he have to, like, oversee the elves or something?
- [42:40]
Trey Kirby
He delegates at this point?
- [42:43]
Jay Skeets
Yeah.
- [42:43]
Tas Melas
Yeah.
- [42:45]
Jay Skeets
Two other things I had never noticed, and maybe this is just me, that Jordan Clarkson has tattoos in his ears.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah.
- [42:55]
Jay Skeets
Like, he is tatted up, like, everywhere, but I had never noticed that it's in his. Like, the top of his ears. I think both.
- [43:03]
Tas Melas
Oh, really?
- [43:03]
Jay Skeets
Yeah.
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Tas Melas
I saw it the other day and I thought, okay, there's a short coming. Who knew that his ears are tattooed? Yeah, it's on the cartilage up there.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah.
- [43:12]
Trey Kirby
Wow. Yeah. That's got a spider web. Huh?
- [43:14]
Jay Skeets
It's gotta hurt, but I mean, wow, he's committed to the tat. And then finally, Red Panda performing.
- [43:21]
Tas Melas
Yeah.
- [43:21]
Jay Skeets
Last night. What do you think those bowls are made out of?
- [43:27]
Trey Kirby
Like, they're not breakable, right?
- [43:28]
Jay Skeets
They're not breakable, but I don't think they're plastic.
- [43:31]
Tas Melas
Yeah, I don't think so either. I think it's more like a clay. Like they.
- [43:36]
Jay Skeets
But that Would shatter.
- [43:37]
Tas Melas
Yeah, yeah.
- [43:39]
Jay Skeets
They have, like, a clay, like, coating or texture on them. I wonder if that helps them stick. Like when she tosses them up from her foot. Like, I. I couldn't stop thinking about this. Like, I want to get my hands on these bowls.
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Trey Kirby
What are your bowls made out of?
- [43:53]
Tas Melas
Yeah, they look like they fall. They set better than any plastic. Clay's probably the wrong one.
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Jay Skeets
It can't be, like, a cheap plastic because you're right. They're, like, too light. They have to have some weight to them.
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Tas Melas
Yes.
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Jay Skeets
For the flip to, I think, execute.
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Tas Melas
But you bring up a good point that they're not allowed to break.
- [44:11]
Jay Skeets
No.
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Tas Melas
Because you couldn't have that on a cup court or any courts concerned.
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Jay Skeets
Last night she had a bit of a tumble at the end when she comes off of the. Off of the unit.
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Tas Melas
It wasn't a perfect disc.
- [44:22]
Jay Skeets
No, she. Yeah, she fell and that's how she got obviously hurt.
- [44:25]
Tas Melas
But she was fine and the show was great.
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Jay Skeets
Shows great.
- [44:28]
Tas Melas
Shows great. Yeah, she was great.
- [44:30]
Jay Skeets
That's all I got. A lot of random notes.
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Trey Kirby
Beautiful stuff. All right, circling back to our poll, bigger individual accomplishment. Winning the NBA cup or winning a slam dunk contest.
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Jay Skeets
58 say slam dunk cup individual letter. What are people talking about?
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Trey Kirby
You look at that basketball reference page, and it says NBA cup champion.
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Jay Skeets
Does it?
- [44:53]
Trey Kirby
I don't know.
- [44:56]
Jay Skeets
I'm checking LeBron right now.
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Tas Melas
Yeah.
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Trey Kirby
Does it?
- [44:59]
Jay Skeets
No, no, it doesn't. But it. I mean. Well, I can't use LeBron for dunk contest.
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Tas Melas
No, no, no.
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Jay Skeets
Has anyone won both?
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No. Hamadu Diallo is not on the Thunder.
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Trey Kirby
Oh, he didn't have him win any bucks. No. Andre Jackson. He was in a dunk contest.
- [45:16]
Tas Melas
He was.
- [45:16]
Jay Skeets
Darvin Ham was in a dunk contest Contest.
- [45:19]
Trey Kirby
No, don't think so.
- [45:21]
Jay Skeets
Wow.
- [45:21]
Tas Melas
It was crazy to learn.
- [45:23]
Jay Skeets
Oh, well, LeBron does say 23, 24. Ist. MVP.
- [45:28]
Trey Kirby
No. That's nice.
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Jay Skeets
I forgot he was MVP of the NCS tournament before they even called it the Cup.
- [45:34]
Trey Kirby
Okay, maybe that's the real question. Cup MVP versus dunk contest.
- [45:38]
Jay Skeets
I think that's a more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like. I like that comparison a lot more than the team winning cup.
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Trey Kirby
All right, well.
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See us after the break.
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Jay Skeets
All right. All right.
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Tas Melas
Who is going to remember that. That a guy. That a guy was NBA Cup MVP and that's a guy in LeBron James where we know every one of his accolades and he cares about his accolades, you know? Yeah, but does he care about that?
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Jay Skeets
So who won it last year?
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Trey Kirby
Easy.
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Tas Melas
Yeah.
- [46:06]
Trey Kirby
Don't worry, it's on his basketball reference.
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Jay Skeets
Okay.
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Trey Kirby
Okay.
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Jay Skeets
Do you have the bracket, J.D. do we want to show the people There it is behind us here on set, full screen now for everybody to see. Magic, Knicks. Quick prediction. Who you got winning that one? Going to the final of the Cup. It's going down on Saturday.
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Trey Kirby
It's going down on Saturday. Then I'll take the Knicks.
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Jay Skeets
Saturday, Knicks.
- [46:28]
Trey Kirby
Yeah. Saturday night.
- [46:29]
Jay Skeets
That's a 5 o' clock Eastern start for us here. That's a 2:30 Pacific start. That's a day game, baby, at the T Mobile Arena. Remember, we were there for one of those because they play two games in the same arena, so you got to clear it out for that first one and then you got to play the second one later. Anyway, Tasso, you like the Knicks or Magic?
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Tas Melas
I do like the Knicks, but I'm taking the Magic.
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Jay Skeets
Okay.
- [46:52]
Tas Melas
Yeah.
- [46:53]
Jay Skeets
Okay.
- [46:53]
Tas Melas
I'm cheering. I'm cheering for the Magic.
- [46:55]
Trey Kirby
Okay.
- [46:55]
Tas Melas
I gotta. I gotta be honest.
- [46:57]
Jay Skeets
I'm gonna go with TKI I do like the Knicks. They look really good right now.
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Tas Melas
They do. I will say the weird thing about yancetokounmpo winning the NBA Cup MVP last year. It still says ist mvp. Not as cool as it saying NBA cup mvp.
- [47:10]
Jay Skeets
Say just cup mvp. Yeah.
- [47:12]
Tas Melas
Yeah. Get out of here.
- [47:13]
Jay Skeets
All right, we're gonna get to the slop scale in a second, but a quick break to hear from our sponsor. So the NBA cup knockout rounds are underway. How about them Raptors, eh, baby? Ah, crap. I wrote this copy before last night's game. Anyway, FanDuel is your home for live betting. Even if you missed the start of the game or want to ride the hot hand. FanDuel has live bets on everything from who will score next to fourth quarter comebacks. Plus, you can even combine your live bets into a same game parlay for a shot at a bigger payout. However you want to play, now's the perfect time to join because FanDuel is giving new customers $300 in bonus bets. If your first $5 bet wins. Just visit FanDuel.com to sign up today. Play your game with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Okay. On Monday, 82 players signed in the off season will become trade eligible. That is December 15th. So that's going to mean 90% of the league could be moved when we hit that Monday date. So Shams, our guy, he figured it was the perfect time to slop it up yesterday and feed the piggies. JD Yee haink it up.
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We Are weighing Sean's latest NBA trade rumors using the slop scale. The heavy, the heavier, the juicier, the sloppier and NBA trade rumor, the more buckets of slop the boys will assign to it. Go from one bucket of slop to five buckets of slop. That's maximum slop here on no dunks. So first one here. This is all Shams, guys. Anthony Davis has become a critical trade target for multiple east contenders ahead of the February deadline. According to Shams. We got the Pistons, we got the Hawks, we got our Toronto Raptors as teams expected to pursue the 10 time All Star. So Tas, I want to start with you. How many buckets of slop here with this report of interest from some of these Eastern Conference teams for AD it is slop season.
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Tas Melas
I gotta say. I start the day, every day the exact same way. I get out of bed, plant my feet on that carpet and I sing Sham Sharanya. What's the trade of the day?
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It's gonna be Anthony Davis. This is sloppy. I think I'll go four because it all depends on what the Mavs get back. It ain't the Pistons. There's no way.
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Jay Skeets
Really?
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Tas Melas
I'm not buying. He plays in the same area as Jalen Duran. He's too old for that team. They need more space. I don't think it works. I think they just got to rely on Jalen. Jalen Duran. Raptors. Hang on. Work either. I don't think so. They're not close enough to try and say Anthony Dave is going to put us over the top. And we already got an injured center in Yaka Pearl. You want another one? Let's be honest, I. As much as I defend Anthony Davis, he's literally missed half the games this season. I don't think the rap should buy in the Hawks. I buy that a little bit more. And the reason why I don't go five sloppies on this one is because it depends on what they trade back and what the Mavs get back. Now the Hawks got some interesting stuff. When I woke up this morning I. I also grabbed my book to. This is my slot book to read about everything. Everything.
- [50:43]
I was gonna call it a bible, but now I wouldn't call it that. Is everything going on as far as what the Hawks can trade? It's so interesting. Like we know they made a great move this year for the more favorable of the Bucks or Pelicans picks. That's very interesting. So they also have the right to swap picks with the Cavs. They have their own, but the spurs can take theirs. What's more interesting, next year, they don't have their own, but they have the least favorable of the Bucks or the Pelicans. Both those teams could be stinky next year, especially if Giannis gets traded. Pelicans. So that could be. That could be one of those picks they throw out for Anthony Davis. And they say that could be good from the Mavs perspective. So I think the Hawks are the ones from these three teams.
- [51:26]
Trey Kirby
Yeah, you're probably right, but I'm going for sloppies as well here because I think depending on the price. And Shams has also reported that he thinks the package for Anthony Davis would be built around role players, picks and potentially expiring contracts. So the price might be pretty cheap. And I think all three of these teams should try and do it because the east is there for the winning. We talked about it earlier. New York is probably the team to beat. Detroit has been awesome this season, but nobody feels like they're running away with the Eastern Conference. And AD would be a difference maker for all of these teams. I think the Pistons could survive with a double big lineup with Jalen Duran and Anthony Davis. They can both play enough at the free throw line, extended sort of area. We've seen some teams have some great success playing double bigs. Anthony Davis, I remember, won a title playing double bigs, so I think that could work. This would certainly help the Hawks, especially if, like, the main thing shipping out is a Porzingis. Like, that's an upgrade there.
- [52:25]
Jay Skeets
The Mav's gonna want Porzingis back. They're gonna have to like, it could be a third, a three team trade for sure. I think it almost has to for sure.
- [52:31]
Trey Kirby
I mean.
- [52:34]
The, the Mavs are probably not getting back what people think Anthony Davis is worth. And that's the thing, is that if the price is cheap, every team should do it. You do have to pay Anthony Davis right away because he's basically saying through Rich Paul, extend me or trade me to Dallas. So you're gonna have to pay up for, I guess like 32 through 35 years of age Anthony Davis. And that's a little scary.
- [52:57]
Tas Melas
Yeah, a little.
- [52:58]
Jay Skeets
For a guy that plays 60.
- [53:00]
Trey Kirby
But you know what's awesome is like making the NBA Finals.
- [53:03]
Tas Melas
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So which team is gonna execute that? I understand the Pistons, if they're gonna do it or if the. From the maths per second. If they're gonna trade Anthony Davis has got to be. Now this is when they're going to get the most of them rather than the off season. The younger the better. It's up to the Pistons to say this guy can put us over the top.
- [53:25]
Jay Skeets
Okay, so what type of deal are the Pistons looking at? Tobias Harris contract. Do you have to depart with one of your bigs in like beef stew? Isaiah Stewart, a Marcus Sasser and then obviously some. A draft pick, let's say. Is that enough to get it done? I think that works financially or the mav saying no, no, we got to have Ivy of Ivy in that mix.
- [53:48]
Trey Kirby
I would think that the Mavericks would want Ivy.
- [53:50]
Jay Skeets
I would think so too.
- [53:51]
Trey Kirby
To get a guard that could be helpful for Cooper flag going forward. And I would do it. I would 100% do it if I.
- [53:58]
Jay Skeets
Was Detroit, Detroit, Detroit. So the main piece is being, I know you have to add contract to get there, but Ivy is the key piece going to Dallas for A.D.
- [54:10]
Tas Melas
Yeah, I hear you. I just don't like the combination. I know Anthony Davis won a frigging title and he can play anywhere on the floor. But now we're talking six years later, we're talking about the Pistons ascension and I'm just scared about Anthony Davis. As good as he is in the playoffs, I would be reluctant, but I understand the shams thrown in there. It's going to be picks, it's going to be supporting players.
- [54:34]
It really couldn't be much more than a pick and a young player. And the combination of a first round pick, probably an Ivy could do it. Because I do agree teams are not.
- [54:48]
Disputing who's going to trade more for this guy. It's not going to be that monstrous of a package for Anthony Davis. Doesn't feel like at this point the.
- [54:54]
Jay Skeets
Team that needs Anthony Davis the most of those three teams is their Toronto Raptors.
- [54:58]
Tas Melas
They sure do.
- [54:59]
Jay Skeets
We just talked about how they got sort of of embarrassed last night by the Knicks, now Purdle and his back injury and the money they already have locked up there. But AD when he plays a decent solution, obviously to your defense, to your rebounding, still rebounds at a good level. It's just like, man, the guy since winning a chip again, plays in 60% of the games. And then there's the salary part. He's 54 million this year, he's 58 next year. Then he has a $63 million player option. But Trey, you're right. They're basically saying, no, I want to sign that contract extension. He's sort of at times already glass and he's only getting older. It's a Hell of a risk. And like, I think it does make some sense for the Raptors to get him, but I'm like adding AD is not going to like catapult the Raptors. I don't think into the conversation as an Eastern contender really. And I don't know if about the fit offensively if it's going to be ad, Barnes and Ingram, you got like two of them sort of operating in the mid range. You got to pray that Scotty Barnes can still hit the three. It's a little clunky. Even though, God, they could use them. They could use them so much to help themselves. And the Raptors have shown a willingness to trade. Right. For all star level players that have a bit of a depressed value because of injury or salary or age concerns. Yeah, with Kawhi as the perfect example, Brandon Ingram as a more recent example. Not results are still out on that one.
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Tas Melas
But yeah, that would be the worst part. The Raptors are just getting older. We question whether or not they're really ready to jump up into that top tier. And you just get older. You just are going with a player who does play in the same area as a couple other guys, you're just, you're just clogging up even more. Okay. He doesn't play all that much. I'd be worried, that's for sure. Especially when your center that you just signed is also banged up.
- [56:38]
Jay Skeets
Well, in this hypothetical, I would try and trade Purdl to the Mavericks for Anthony Davis. Do the upgrade there and then it's going to be like a big contract, like a Barrett or something like that, or quickly or something. So we'll see which of those three teams maybe make a move.
- [56:54]
Trey Kirby
Barrett and Purdle. See ya. If the offer was there, but I don't think the Mavs would say yes to that.
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Tas Melas
To that.
- [57:00]
Jay Skeets
Yeah, they're going to hope they can get more than that. All right, let's move on. Keeping with the Mavericks, though. In addition to trying to move ad, Shams is reporting that the Mavericks are also open to exploring the trade markets for Klay Thompson, Daniel Gaffer and d' Angelo Russell. How many buckets of slop on all of those guys that the Mavs are saying, hey, we're open for business.
- [57:20]
Trey Kirby
This is only like two buckets of slop to me. I think they have to be open to trading Anthony Davis. We've talked about it a lot from a team building perspective. It makes a ton of sense to ship him out and hopefully get some picks in the future. But as the Shams reporting goes, maybe the offers aren't going to be there for Anthony Davis, which makes me think they might be a little bit more hesitant to trade Davis than I originally thought. Because it's kind of nice to have Anthony Davis playing next to Cooper flag. You got to have some good veterans around your young guys to really develop them. And we've seen early on, you know, results are a little mixed, I think, with Cooper and Anthony Davis. But Davis setting screens helps Cooper flag get a Runway to the rim. They're both able to find each other for Alley. Oops. I was a little concerned when AD Found Cooper for the back door cut. He started celebrating with the Goggles. Cooper started celebrating with his teammates. They never celebrated together. Why was that?
- [58:23]
Jay Skeets
I don't know.
- [58:23]
Trey Kirby
Hey, you think it. You think I'm joking? But like, but like, remember when LeBron didn't celebrate with Isaiah Thomas?
- [58:31]
Jay Skeets
Yes.
- [58:32]
Trey Kirby
Right. Like when these guys don't necessarily want to be together.
- [58:36]
Jay Skeets
Yeah.
- [58:36]
Trey Kirby
They don't always celebrate together. If these guys were linked, they would be hugging each other.
- [58:42]
Jay Skeets
Did you say AD did the goggles?
- [58:44]
Trey Kirby
AD did the goggles.
- [58:44]
Jay Skeets
While he's wearing goggles.
- [58:46]
Trey Kirby
He did goggles over goggles.
- [58:48]
Jay Skeets
Double goggles. Maybe that confused Coop.
- [58:50]
Trey Kirby
Yeah, he had a beautiful backdoor pass and he went goggles mode. Cooper was hugging Everybody except for A.D. just saying. Just saying. So I wouldn't be surprised to see Anthony Davis end this season in Dallas. If the offers aren't there, they would have to pay him in the summer. But guess what? People are still going to always be interested in trading for Anthony Davis. And maybe if he's proved that he can play the back half of this season healthy, then maybe his trade value is a little bit stronger next year. The other guys, I don't know if anybody's worth the first round pick.
- [59:23]
Thompson, D' Angelo Russell, they got long contracts. Gafford is through 29, Clay is through 27. And Russell's on a veteran minimum. He's a buyout if anything.
- [59:35]
Tas Melas
We got four characters here. I think you got to develop a slop scale for each one of them. Really? Because if somebody is offering something for d' Angelo Russell, you take it. There's no doubt Jason Kidd did not start him at the beginning of the season. I thought this guy is a capable player, he would start. He didn't. Things have not been good with him coming off the bench and he's not going to be given that starting role. Klay Thompson as well. Somebody's willing to offer something for Clay because they think that they Need a bench shooter when it comes to postseason time.
- [60:07]
Jay Skeets
Right.
- [60:08]
Tas Melas
It's Clay. We talked about Anthony Davis. If there's a huge package, you got to do it. As far as Daniel Gafford goes, he is signed for a long term deal, but I'd be reluctant to trade him. I think the Derek Lively scenario is really important. He hasn't played in a few weeks. He underwent surgery on that foot in July to clean out those bone spurs. That was a whole weird thing where Nico Harrison fired the training staff because of what was going on with not only Lively, but every one of their players, including Luka. And now it's. Lively hasn't been able to shake that thing at all. He's missed. He missed more than two months last season and now out this year, it's the same foot injury, the bone spurs. So I don't know what's going on with Derek Lively really, but I think you want to keep Daniel Gafford, who can run up and down the floor and be good for you and play until the end of that contract. He's. He's a solid player. So as far as slop levels go, I would keep. I would. I would only go one for the Gafford. And the other ones will be sloppier, I think.
- [61:09]
Jay Skeets
Okay.
- [61:13]
Tas Melas
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Jay Skeets
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Tas Melas
It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.
- [61:28]
Trey Kirby
Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.
- [61:31]
Jay Skeets
Cut the camera. They see us.
- [61:32]
Tas Melas
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Jay Skeets
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Trey Kirby
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Jay Skeets
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Tas Melas
Hello.
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Jay Skeets
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- [62:29]
Trey Kirby
Yeah. Wow.
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Jay Skeets
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- [63:01]
Trey Kirby
And Doug, there's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual, even if it means playing in a football game.
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Jay Skeets
Boom. 42. You're going down, Doug. Oh, yeah.
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Trey Kirby
Your price on car insurance when you customize and save is going down.
- [63:15]
Jay Skeets
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Trey Kirby
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Jay Skeets
Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. I'm almost embarrassed to move to this next one. Here the warriors will discuss trades for forward Jonathan Kaminga when he is eligible to be moved. January 15th. Okay. Not December 15th for Kaminga. After discussions with the Sons and the Kings in the summer failed to progress, Golden State wants to find upgrades on its rosters. TK I'll start with you. How many buckets of slot?
- [63:52]
Trey Kirby
I guess it's five. He's going to be traded guaranteed. But the question for me is, like, are the warriors going to play him in the meantime? Caught a DMP CD against the Bulls. They blew him out. He's been replaced by Pat Spencer. His minutes have gone down month by month by month. 30 in October, 24 in November, 19th in December. And like I said, he just straight up didn't play against the Bulls. He's talked in the past about, I hate being told to stay ready. I am going to stay ready. Meanwhile, Pat Spencer is like, yeah, I stay ready. I never know what I'm going to play. Steph Curry's coming back. I don't know if I'm going to play, but who cares? When I go out there, I ball out. I don't know which team is going to trade for Jonathan Kaminga. At $22 million a year, it'll be a dumb team, but there's a few of them still out there. I cheer for one of them.
- [64:37]
Jay Skeets
And.
- [64:37]
Trey Kirby
Another dumb team trades with the team that I cheer for all the time. There are teams out there who might think Kaminga can help them going forward. And you can probably get him pretty cheap because the warriors will just be happy to get him off their books.
- [64:50]
Tas Melas
Yeah, but what are the warriors getting back? That's that question. I think that's why it's a little bit even less likely than last year. Last year, in the middle of the year, we all thought the same thing. Kaminga's being dealt obviously did not happen. Steve Kerr looks like he's trying again to try and make Him a better player, sitting him. All of his quotes are we're looking for a guy who plays consistent basketball. It's not that guy. And you look at the warriors, they need help. They are playing a bunch of guys who are doing the right thing, moving the ball, hustling, playing hard. But they need a talent level bump and if it comes internally, that's where they'd like it. It's Jonathan Kaminga. They're not going to trade for somebody else who will help talent wise more than Kuminga possibly can. So I think they literally, it's one of those, if he plays well, they may, they may just keep him around. I think that's a possibility. And we saw the beginning of the season. Well, this is a different guy. He's cutting, he's, he's slicing, he's not trying to get into that mid range and be that guy. The, I'm taking over this team. So if he can vacillate back to that a little bit, that's the, that's the type of player that they want. I just don't know if another team is really willing to give up enough at this point.
- [66:05]
Jay Skeets
One of these crappy bad teams will take a chance on Kaminga and they should.
- [66:08]
Tas Melas
What do they get? What do they.
- [66:10]
Jay Skeets
I know, like you said last year, we thought he would be traded. You're right. But the problem with that was the contract situation where he was going to be obviously available, right? I mean, and then now he's locked up here for a very short term deal. That's a second year team option, is it not? Is that what they decided on? I think that's 47 million, let's call it over two years. So at least there's some certainty now, right? I disagree with you Task. I think, and Trey's been saying this for a very long time, I think he's going to be moved here when he can. Between January 15 and the trade deadline, there's going to be a couple weeks there and it's at the point where they'll be happy almost to get sort of anything in return. They want to upgrade the roster. Okay, yeah, no shit, Sherlock. Everybody does. And it's going to be a role player or something and a team, again, a bad team, is going to see Kaminga and say, look, look, he could help us score and given a different opportunity, a different offensive style, not playing with Steph Curry because we don't have that, he can probably bring something to the table here and a fresh start. So I think he's going to be moved. I don't know for what or really where, but I think it'll be a quote unquote bad team and it's not going to be a whole lot in return. And I think the warriors will be fine with that.
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Trey Kirby
At this point, they should try to get Michael Porter Jr. I mean the Nets are a team that was after Kamingo in the off season and you can make the contracts work. If you throw in Buddy Heald as well, then you're getting into a depth problem, I think with Golden State. But MPJ would be awesome on that team. Just a no conscious shooter.
- [67:35]
Jay Skeets
Right.
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Trey Kirby
Because I got no faith in Kaminga and I think the warriors kind of botched this situation with the way they handled things over the summer, thinking they were going to change the way he played. He can do it for like three or four games at a time. He can't do it for the entirety of a season or probably for an entire playoff season.
- [67:49]
Jay Skeets
I don't think there's any way the Nets would be doing that sort of trade Michael Porter Jr. Well, if you.
- [67:54]
Trey Kirby
Get a pick as well, I guess.
- [67:57]
Jay Skeets
Warriors have a little draft capital play with. Yeah, I mean you turn.
- [67:59]
Trey Kirby
You're basically turning Cam Johnson into half of a season of Michael Porter Jr. And two future first round picks. That's good management. Yeah, yeah.
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Tas Melas
At some point it looks like he's going to go try and be a number one guy for another team. I just wonder again what they get back right here, right now they've got all their money invested this year and next year into what they are. They want to win and I get it.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah.
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Tas Melas
Of course they could use helping them win. So if, if there is. Yeah, but you, but you'd be trading them for what? Somebody who doesn't. Yeah, I get it. They went into the postseason last year. He air quotes helped because he came off the bench and he scored a ton when they needed a player. Is the, is he going to be able to do that? You know, I, I'm not buying into Kaminga being an incredible player. They need a big. That is for sure. They lack size too. And, and they're freaking old. And so if somebody can help Al Horford just eat some friggin minutes and pass and shoot the three and rebound. There could be that guy. I don't have one in my brain. I don't have one that's on the side. It's not on the Kings. So I don't, I don't know where it comes from.
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Jay Skeets
Nets have a bunch of like Young, big guys that can maybe help eat innings like you said.
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Tas Melas
Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
During a regular season, being sharp or Claxton or stuff like that.
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Tas Melas
Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
Final piece of sham slop. Pretty simple. Pacers are in active trade talks around the league to find a center of the future after losing Miles Turner in free agency. Now there were rumors out of Salt Lake City that Indy had shown interest in Walker Kessler. I saw that name. Obviously he's injured, but tasks. How many buckets of slop for the Pacers wanting to add a long term center.
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Tas Melas
They want to add a long term center. So it's getting sloppy. Give it five there. Yeah, yeah, they want to get somebody. I understand they need a shooting center ideally with Tyrese Halburn when he comes back. Plan, you know, a long term plan here. Halberton comes back, the way he creates, you know, he's going east, west. You don't want somebody clogging the lane. I think what they play is a team that moves it ideally can shoot it a little bit. And the way that their salary is structured, they're 20 million below the cap next season and they still haven't signed Benedict Matheran. So he's going to take them close to that. So I think you want somebody who you know isn't making a ton of money. Walker Kessler, sure. I could see somebody cheaper. He's not making much money. There's a Jock Landale out there shooting 43% from three this season.
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Just a capable player for super cheap because that's why Miles Turner left. He was too expensive for this front office. So a Jock, you know, or a Kessler, I think they both make sense.
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Trey Kirby
Well, I mean those are very different players. Yeah, that's like one of them is maybe a long term center in Walker Kessler. If they can get him do it. Jock Landale is a stop gap I do believe, but I think this is like a one bucket of slop myself because I don't think there's a long term center out there for them to get. Maybe they could be a Gafford team. Like he would fit nice along Tyrese Halliburton when he comes back as a rim runner. But I'm with you task. I think they would want somebody who gave them what Miles Turner did, being able to play defensively and stretch the court on the offensive end. Cause that's what really made their offense great last year. Not to mention Turner plays with some pretty good speed. So I don't know, it's just hard to look around the league and see a center that could be available, like, I don't know, Nick Claxton would also be good for them. Clowny from the Nets, he's not really a center. He's more like a power forward. He'd be pretty good. He's having a nice season as well. Or maybe they get reinvigorated on Deandre Ayton, who's having a good season with the Lakers. I think the Pacers signed him to an offer sheet once upon a time to go alongside Reese Halliburton. He's got a little stretchiness into his game. Not necessarily to the three point line, but you know, 20ft or something like that, that I wouldn't want to get suckered into it right now. But basically, to get any sort of player, the Pacers are going to have to trade Obi Toppin or TJ McConnell. Both players who are important to the style they like, even though OB hasn't been very healthy this year. So I don't think this is going to happen for the Pacers. I don't think they'll find a long term center at the trade deadline.
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Jay Skeets
Well, thank you, Shams. Thank you for the slop. We really appreciate it. Keep the slop coming, my guy.
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Trey Kirby
Okay.
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Jay Skeets
Time for wobite of the night. Unsullied by sponsorship for a few days, Desmond Bane matched his season high with 37 points in the NBA cup quarterfinals last night.
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J.D. you're killing me. What's up, LeBron? I even started adding the name to the rundown. J.D. well, that might help.
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Tas Melas
Well, you saw the sponsorship yesterday. There was a sponsorship yesterday?
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Jay Skeets
It's true. Oh, I actually missed that.
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Trey Kirby
No, Sammy J93 came through to 499.
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Jay Skeets
Good. Whatever.
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Tas Melas
We have had two sponsors. Sammy J93. SnuffleUp, I guess, or whatever his name was.
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Jay Skeets
Wava Waval up again. What was that?
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Tas Melas
Something like that.
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Jay Skeets
Anyway, Bane shot 14 of 24. 6 and 9 from deep, 6 boards, 5 assists, 1 steel and 38 minutes.
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Tas Melas
He was good.
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Jay Skeets
You were merely adopted in the dark or whatever the it is. Who gives a. All right. Picking results. Do we have that? I think we have that.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah. Yeah.
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Jay Skeets
All right. Well, look, I'm sorry I put all this time into making.
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I'm with you. I'll stop doing it. I'll gladly stop making it.
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Tas Melas
Yeah, well, you know, just came back.
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Jay Skeets
I don't know.
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Tas Melas
How long is it going to survive? I don't know.
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Jay Skeets
Well, there's no sponsor, but you told me there was one yesterday.
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Tas Melas
We're making money.
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93.
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Jay Skeets
So how much money did we make yesterday?
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Tas Melas
4.994949.
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Jay Skeets
We're going. We're getting cheaper.
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Trey Kirby
It's just whatever somebody super chats.
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Jay Skeets
Oh, no, no, no, no. We add $10 every time. I thought was the deal it was. Now we've gone backwards. Okay, so now we'll go back to 10. We get 10 tomorrow. Then we'll add 10 every time. Okay, Wednesday. Pick them. Where are we going, Tyler?
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Tas Melas
Well, nobody wanted to do OKC Phoenix.
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Jay Skeets
Big line.
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Tas Melas
Huge line.
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Trey Kirby
It's like 15 or something.
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Tas Melas
Isn't it so crazy? Yeah. So we went to the other one, which is a fantastic one. Spurs visiting the Lakers. The Lakers favor by six and a half. Oh, it feels like a bit of a hefty line to me because I do respect the Spurs. Maybe I'm buying in a little too hard, but I'm taking them. I'm getting those six points. Well, you guys both have the Lakers here to advance in the NBA Cup. A team that has experience in the NBA Cup.
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Jay Skeets
Look, look. They could advance, but still not cover. Gotta win by 7.
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Tas Melas
Yep.
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Jay Skeets
The Lakers for a train. I get the W. I'm excited for that game.
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Trey Kirby
Yeah. No Wemby. Officially, yes.
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Tas Melas
No. Wendy. Too bad.
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Jay Skeets
Marcus Smart is a maybe. I think he's gonna go through like, you know, shoot around or practice or whatever and then sort of be a game time decision. I think he's gonna play.
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Tas Melas
People are taking the Lakers because the line's even bigger now. That's seven.
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Jay Skeets
Oh, okay. It's taking up. All right. Six and a half for us though. Tass has the Spurs. We got the Lakers coming up later. Bulls are back.
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For the final time. On playback. Potentially. Rest in peace. Playback.
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Trey Kirby
Rip playback. I love your clipping tools, but you.
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Jay Skeets
Will be on playback. Confirmed. TK for Bulls are back today. What's the plan moving forward?
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Trey Kirby
Great question. I thought about it. I thought about the Streamyard, you know.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah.
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Trey Kirby
It's the same sort of technology.
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Jay Skeets
Yeah. Just go live. I mean, you're. You're already simulcasting to YouTube anyway. Yeah.
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Okay. Do you have a time for today?
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Trey Kirby
Probably 3pm I don't gotta get a haircut today. Just gotta live my life.
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Jay Skeets
I thought you just got a haircut.
- [75:54]
Trey Kirby
I don't gotta get a haircut today.
- [75:55]
Jay Skeets
Oh, Oh, I don't. Yeah, that's what you said.
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Tas Melas
That's why he delayed the other one from three to four.
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Trey Kirby
Go see jumpy.
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Jay Skeets
Okay.
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Tas Melas
But people were dogs. People were asking last night as I was watching games on both playback. Yeah. Simulcast the YouTube. Are you guys gonna keep watching games here on YouTube. Get it? I get. Well, being a secondary screen, you wouldn't watch the games on. It wouldn't be like playback. You would just watch it elsewhere and just chitty chats basically on YouTube because people use YouTube. This one's a little different in that you could just keep watching the the highlights through Streamyard onto YouTube. Anyways, enough of that.
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Jay Skeets
Bye bye Clipper Bros.
- [76:38]
Here it comes.
- [76:38]
Tas Melas
Here it comes.
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Jay Skeets
You heard it here first.
- [76:40]
Trey Kirby
Have a great time. Turn up.
- [76:42]
Jay Skeets
Love you guys.
- [76:43]
Trey Kirby
Awesome.
- [76:44]
Tas Melas
Thanks for joining us. And remember, a lot of platforms out there because Ing Roberto says do it on YouTube or Discord. Just chat on Discord, huh?
- [76:55]
Jay Skeets
It's the future Race the day people.
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Tas Melas
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Jay Skeets
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Tas Melas
More about helping your members stay adherent. That's CMK Co access. Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first.
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Shining bright.
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There, the last one.
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Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.
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Jay Skeets
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Tas Melas
That's software overload.
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Jay Skeets
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Tas Melas
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