B (3:25)

That's a tough call to make it that scenario. He wanted to call underneath when he missed the layup as well. And you know, Sengun had a couple of calls go against him that I think were probably tough calls from his perspective. But we want the players to decide the game and that's what happened.

A (3:40)

Yeah, they did. And yeah, as you said, Shangun went the other way. Missed a shot that could have put them up one. And Turkey had the offensive rebound for a quick sec, but Schroeder got down low for the strip and then took it to the other end where they got an offensive rebound. And then he was able to hit that mid range shot and then Shengun missed the three to tie it potentially. So how do you feel about Sengun's game overall? And then the last few minutes where he just missed shots really well.

B (4:10)

Shangun played awesome. 28 points on 50% shooting, only three rebounds, but three assists as well. Played great defense, three blocks. I thought one of the mistakes made in this game was at the start of the second half. Shangun picked up three fouls in the first half. The last one came on a charge with like 25 seconds left. So at the start of the third quarter, Sengoon was on the bench. I thought that was a crazy move. It was like a 10 to 4 run for the Germans. They come back, they take the lead with Shen good and waiting on the bench. He comes back in and starts playing pretty well. I think another tactical mistake was on that last play. When they're looking for a three pointer, maybe run a play. It didn't seem like they had any sort of plan. They get the ball into Shane Larkin, who played great in the fourth quarter he couldn't really get free. The announcers myself were thinking Germany's going to file here up 3/19, send them to the line as we've seen so many times. But they decided not to. And maybe that threw turkey off. Maybe they were expecting the foul as well because it didn't really look like they knew how to attack on the in those final 19 seconds because it was just one guy ISO didn't work out, try the other ISO. And Changun chucks up a deep one on a night when he wasn't shooting it well from three. I think there are probably better ways to go about getting a three pointer at that time. So those tiny little moments really were the difference in this game.

A (5:30)

Yeah, I was confused why Sengun was sitting the first 2 minutes of and 35 seconds of the second half. This is the last game. Yes, he does have three fouls, but that was strange. As you said, Germany took the Turkish six point lead and shut the down. I think it was one for Turkey still when Sengun came back and then he kicked ass. Although he, I guess when he got that fourth foul with four minutes left, he followed Tice as a really like a take foul because Tice was driving by him. He said, all right, I'm gonna follow him and committed his fourth foul. I thought, okay, well maybe he, maybe their coach was smart for keeping him out just so he didn't get foul in foul trouble or get fouled out earlier than that because he fouls, I suppose. But it was strange and he just couldn't close the door on such a freaking beautiful tournament for him. Do you still think the MVP should be given to Sengun over Giannis Dentokubo in this, in this tournament. And I'm not sure who is, who's won it because we turned it off literally as Germany was, was hugging Dennis Schroeder saying thanks to his dad who looks exactly like Dennis Schroeder. I'd never seen Dennis Schroeder's dad before, but they look exactly the same. Should Chengun have won this thing you think?

B (6:43)

I don't know. I mean Schroeder did have 16 points, 12 assists and the two game winning baskets in, in the final. So I think he's got a good shot. You know, Franz was the leading scorer for the German team, was awesome in the first half, not quite as much in the second half. Giannis was great as we'll get to in the bronze medal game, great throughout the tournament as well. So I'm sure all those guys Will make the all tournament team mvp. Look, the win counts a lot for me, so I would probably give it to Schroeder. He hit the massive shots. He's got the stones. Give him the.

A (7:14)

The.

B (7:14)

The mvp.

A (7:15)

My goodness. He just turned it on when he needed to those last couple minutes. And Franz had a great game, but then he slowed down a little bit. I can't wait to see Franz with a different team in Orlando that's fully healthy with a guy like Desmond Bane who gives Fran some space, hopefully in the mid range because he needs it. He's so good at it. He doesn't shoot the three ball all that well. I was wondering. What? Watching all the. The pre tournament workouts. Oh, maybe Franz's three point shot has come along. Still the same. But you know, the, the incredible foot footwork he's got everywhere. Euro steps D cell. I mean from everywhere. Like he was giving it to Bona so patiently. So he looked great throughout this tournament. That was. That was fun. They just had so many freaking weapons. It came down to literally two shots.

B (8:07)

Yeah, exactly. Right. Franz, I'm with you. I don't really think the shooting's going to come around. Shot 30 from three the past two seasons. He was basically 30% in Euro basket. That's okay. He can do everything else. And maybe the three pointer will come along further down the path of his career. Sounds weird, but I see some shake Yildress Alexander in this game. The way he controls his body, the way he's able to change directions while maintaining speed and changing pace. He's got every single finish in the book. Right hand and left hand, great balance. They're obviously different players, but the craft that they have when they get in the lane is very similar. When you're talking about two way wings in the NBA, there's not a lot better than Franz Wagner. And when he's playing in Euro basket, when he's one of the top two guys on his team, when he's one of the best athletes on the court, he looks even better.

A (8:56)

Yeah. And again those last a few minutes when Schroeder got that incredible steal in the backcourt. What a steal to get Shane Larkin. Just a clean steal and then he gets the ball and he just sort of leads Franz Wagner ahead, but it's way too far ahead of him. So he gives turkey the ball. Then Franz got hit with a charge. That was a questionable call. There's a couple of questionable charge calls in this way in that game. And I thought just watching Shengun do his thing with the beautiful spin fake that he pulled out in this one. He was giving it to Tice. See you later. You hit the bench. He still gave it the timing. I thought this was Turkey's game at the end, but the guy that you said should be coming to the NBA, Isaac Bonga, I mean, he came through big with those threes. It's like, that's talking about guys who shoot the threes. He hasn't really improved a ton going to Europe. He was 30% in the NBA. He has improved. He's sort of an average guy playing In Europe, like, 36% playing in the Euroleague. But, man, when they needed him, when all the attention's on the other side of the floor. Isaac Bonga coming through.

B (10:03)

Yeah, Bonga was great in this game. 20 points, five boards, three assists, and like you mentioned, four of four from three. He was really the guy that got the game going for Germany because It was a 132 start for Turkey. I think they made their first five shots. Germany just looked out of sorts, but Bongo was in, and he went on a little run of his own right at the beginning of the first quarter, got them back on track. He picked up his second foul really early, too. Seven minutes left. But he was just consistent all night, and I think that's why this game was so good. Every, like, support player for both teams, it felt like played really well. Tristan Da Silva was great in this game with 13 points in the second and third quarter. He looked really, really good. Chetty Osman shot the ball incredibly well for the Turkish side. Hazar and Sepahi, I thought, did a great job keeping Schroeder under wraps. From a scoring perspective. I think they had him at 3 for 9 shooting through the game until those last two incredible shots by Schroeder to put them over the top. Now he was playmaking, so he was doing his thing as well until they needed him to score. Larkin played great. He was kind of the key for Turkey's offense, I thought in the end of the third quarter, into the fourth with his drives just giving them a little bit more sauce. Adam Bona played awesome in this game. Got his jersey tore off. We got to see his nipple. Sexy stuff. It just looked like a great game from both sides, like, considering the pressure of the moment, both of these teams looking to win a gold medal. I thought great performances, basically up and down on both rosters.

A (11:30)

Yeah, no idea that Adam Bona would literally go into the starting lineup in the second half because he was playing that good in the first half. He was five for five from the field. Obviously no one should be comfortable shooting in the lane with Adam Boda around a couple blocks. I always wonder do NBA broadcasters watch these games and take notes and, and say H. That was a good line there by Jeff, the play by play guy. I'm going to use that because after Adam Bona made some beautiful plays, it was a, that was a bona fide big play. A quick one there. I liked it. So Kate Scott maybe taking notes in Philadelphia. Yeah, yeah, I got to use that because I mean he. It was weird because Osmani didn't have a good game going back to the semifinals where he was money from three and Bona literally took his place in the second half there. There's so much to talk about in this game. I think Skeets just gave us the all tournament team that we'll show you here on YouTube. There it is. It is those guys you mentioned, obviously Giannis and Shen Goon along with Franz in your front court, if you call it those three. And then in the backord it's Schroeder and Luca. Pretty good team obviously. Yeah.

B (12:50)

No real arguments. I guess maybe if you're a Finland fan you're saying where's Lowry Marketing. But yep, you can't really argue with these guys. I think there's just six players who are worthy of being on the first team.

A (13:02)

Yes, that's totally, totally true. Any other notes you want to get to from this game? I mean the Shane Larkin, the show, as you said, was just so good at being that alternative guy. He played so many minutes throughout every game in this tournament. It feels real to me that he is this Turkish player because he spent seven years playing in Turkey after his a little bit of a roller coaster to start his NBA career. I heard him tell the story this week when he said that I started my career with the Mavs and in July, my first practice when Mark Cuban came in, I got the chance to. To run a fast break and I broke my ankle on that play. And so he didn't start off his career in the NBA well and he ended up going to Europe and found his way again seven years in Turkey to, to take him right down to the wire. They obviously couldn't do it here while Germany, man, World cup champions, as I'm comfortable calling that now, two years ago in 2023 when they beat the US in the semifinals and then the Eurobasket champs, man, just.

B (14:13)

Well, I mean, I mean honestly, Germany is going to have to beat the US's number one team to be the world Champs. But they are the FIBA champs for sure.

A (14:21)

They were. Yeah. That was the Anthony Edwards. Didn't really. Didn't really do it under Steve Kerr as they're sort of their number one guy. Just didn't. Didn't finish the job against Germany. And Gordy Herbert, who was the head coach for Germany, used to be that Canadian player legend. Played in 84. I think he played Jordan in the 84 Olympics. But anything else here from great game. JD Osman was also Osman Osman. He played every single minute in this game. And he was sort of the Franz stopper to start this game. And I thought he was doing a pretty good job. They matched up pretty well. But FIBA Jetty is a different Jetty.

B (15:01)

Yeah, he did a great job. I thought in the second half. Kind of took Franz out of the game with physicality and effort. 23 points at six, six threes. I mentioned on one of our podcasts earlier, like, why doesn't he get another look in the NBA? Maybe he's more comfortable playing overseas, but had some good moments with the Cavs. Didn't hear quite as much when he was on the Spurs. But if he's able to shoot threes the way he has, he's a yabuzele, a guy who could maybe get another chance. Just like I think Bonga is a guy that a team should at least invite to a camp and see if he could stick for a little bit.

A (15:34)

I think that's it for me. I will say one last note. It is cool to hear the referees, number one, talk to each other during the video review. Talk to players because usually it's. It's pretty calm. No swearing, really. It's beneficial. It's also, it kind of makes video reviews go by a little faster because you're not just hearing the play by plays guys talk about it. So the weird thing for me was though, they went to see if a goaltend should have been called a goaltend because it was challenged and it's the Canadian crew chief. It's. It's wild. I know the referee's names here in your basket, but Matthew Calio, he asked the other referee, he said, is a trap ball in FIBA a goaltend? Like a trap ball? Like you hit it as the ball hits the glass. Like, shouldn't he know that? Yeah, yeah.

B (16:24)

That was a very funny review though, because he was going like frame by frame. He's like, up one more, up one more, up one more, up one more, up one more. What'd you say his name was? Matthew Caillou. Doesn't JD Hate that show?

A (16:35)

Yeah. I'm not sure how his last name is pronounced, but I think it's Calio. Middle name. Lee. Spelled like our. Our Lee Ellis. So that was. I was. That was the only weird. There's Leo. If you're with us here on the Stream team, got to pull up the screenshot of Lee having a sip of wine. Right? That was him just having a sip.

B (16:58)

Like the Germans are right now. Schroeder threw the ball off Shen Goon's backside. Big target. And Mike said, the old butt inbound, Jeff. Just like you do on the pickup courts in North Carolina. They were fired up to see that. That was a great play by Schroeder, though, because usually when you throw it off a guy's butt, you're looking to score right away. It was an assist, though, for him. That was like Wayne Gretzky style, I thought.

A (17:20)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right under the Turkish basket. Bang. That worked out well. Here's a note. Germany joins the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, and Spain as the only nations to hold both crowns of the World cup and Eurobasket at the same time. So, Trey, are they worthy of having the World cup even though they beat.

B (17:42)

Well, I don't know. Did that include the 1972 Olympics when they stole the gold medal from the United States?

A (17:52)

I could. I could sense the. The. My Bears suck, so I gotta be mad today. I hear you. I hear you. I can't wait for.

B (18:01)

Look, everybody's got a great chance in 2028. We'll see if they're able to actually pull it off. Yeah, not since 2004.

A (18:08)

Yeah, it is interesting to see 2028. What will the Americans pull out? I mean, who's playing for them? The guys. Guys who saved the day last year in 2024 against France. Steph Lebron, mostly. Mostly Steph. I mean, will they be playing and what are they going to do out there? Yeah, this is. These tournaments are just super duper fun, even down to the bronze medal game. Let's get to that. Greece taking care of Finland.

B (18:39)

Whoa.

A (18:41)

How about that, Trey? How about Greece winning in Finland in a very, very, very close game at the end of this one?

B (18:47)

Did they take care of them? Because what was this, like a 14 point game with 3 minutes left, and somehow it came down to the Finnish team missing a free throw that would have tied and. And then the guy got the offensive rebound and missed the putback that could have won the game for Finland. I think Greece kind of squeaked by in this one, maybe took their Foot off the gas a little bit. But Giannis was incredible once again. 30 points, 17 boards, 6 assists. He did have a big bucket to put him up by four points late in this one. And then a really cool interview with him afterwards where he said coming in third in the EuroBasket Championship is the greatest accomplishment in his life, while also referencing the fact, yeah, I know I won the NBA championship, but this means a lot more to me.

A (19:30)

You're right. Greece may have taken their foot off the gas a little bit, but they also may have taken their foot off the floor. Yeah, an okay segue because Yanis kind of got pushed on that offensive rebound there that Finland got to be able to win because they were. Yes, they're literally down three points. And Elias Faling goes to the line to hit three free throws. Hits one, hits two. The camera cuts to the Finnish president who's in attendance, and then he misses the next one. Janice was going up for it. He gets a little shove in the back by Jantanen. He slips to the floor, and Yantinen misses a bunny of a shot. So, yes, Greece seals it there at the end with Giannis going to the free throw line. But, yeah, it's obviously a big win for Giannis never having won a medal. Greek team really hasn't been good since they had all the old guys again, who were a lot of them in attendance. Dmit these Papalucas, the good guys, they hadn't won a medal since 2009. So Giannis hadn't won one. No adage had won one. So this was, yeah, monstrous. 30, 17 boards. It was funny at the end, his kids were kind of over the barrier there, and they just start coming in. Here comes kid number one. Here comes kid number two. How many kids is this guy bringing in? He brought three of his children in. They just absolutely were crying and loving it. And Janice, yeah, the post game was absolutely. Yeah, just tears running down his face. He even got asked about Alperin Shengun and what Alperin Shen Good said that he wasn't a. Giannis, wasn't a great passer. And Yanis took that in stride and said, you know, check my YouTubes, man. I'm a pretty good passer. Yeah, just a fun, fun game that they. They got Giannis going in transition to start, which is a little easier against Finland than it is against monster teams like Turkey and Lithuania that he played his last two games. But I thought the Greeks just did a better job of giving it to him a little bit more like they should have against Turkey. And so we saw full on Janis in this game, just like we have this whole tournament.

B (21:44)

Yeah. 30 points for Giannis, only 9 of 11 from the field because he went to the free throw line a ton of times. But shout out to Giannis, 16 at the line. Not mad at that. I have to imagine though, the Greek team is going to look nice in 2045 when all of Giannis's kids are grown up. Unless they play for the United States, where I'm sure they were born.

A (22:03)

Yeah, yeah, man. They could. Maybe they could run out of five. I think he's got two boys and two girls. It was good to see. Speaking of Americans, Tyler Dorsey was frickin awesome for the Greeks. He got. He had his hair flowing in this game. Let it go, let it fly. Just like he was letting Those threes fly. Three threes in the first quarter. Five threes overall, 20 points. He's had two games where he had 20 or more. So this is a big win for Tyler Dorsey. He just looked really good out there.

B (22:37)

Yeah, 20 points for Dorsey and then 15 for Toleopoulos. I thought was kind of the difference, you know, making threes, nine threes between the two of them. You throw that in with giannis going for 30, that's a good threesome for the Greek team. And they built a huge lead. It looked like they were home free, but Finland just didn't give up. Markkanen started hitting some shots and they just kept knocking down every single shot they needed to, except for the last two. That really would have put them over the top of. This was a fun one as well. A great metal round compared to the Final Four, which is a little bit of a dud, but it's worth it if the metal games are going to be like this.

A (23:18)

Yeah, yeah. The bracket filled out pretty perfectly to see Germany face Turkey. I think we've talked about Mika Marinin a ton in that hair flowing. This got to be the guy who had the. The least impactful series, but the most like the most talked about guy for at least impactful type of entire tournament. I mean he was good and the entire team was really good. And there were games when some of them came on and some of them didn't have great games. But Mirnan, you know, I thought he was, he was neutralized pretty well by the. The athletic Greek. Semudarov was a nice little matchup for him in the second half. But Mirinin making a name for himself. I mean he, he could be stateside not too long from now. I don't know when, but he's got.

B (24:08)

Jeff gave him a nickname. Jeff gave him a nickname in this one? Yeah, I called him the finish Freak, which. That's gonna stick. Absolutely. And then I saw that the Eurobasca X was like, don't forget he has school tomorrow. Quite the flight. He might be late for first period. But yeah, I mean the guy scored six and a half points a game. He only had five in this game. He was the 120, 29th leading scorer in Eurobasket and he was probably the number one most talked about non NBA player.

A (24:39)

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I don't know. I guess we don't have a, a non euro basket tournament team announced, but he could be part of it with Shane Larkin was freaking awesome as we talked about. But yes, Smyrna was talked about a lot. I don't know if it's the hair flow or whatever, but yeah, we, we especially. You made some good videos out of that guy. We got, got some coverage of that guy. We needed to talk about that guy because he is. He's just so freaking fun to watch. Again. The dunks that he misses are awesome to watch. So kudos to them, kudos to the Greeks. A lot of crying done, Costas, Papa Nicolau, even crying. So congrats. I mean, this was really the biggest Greek game I've watched as a Greek since. Feels like 2006 when they beat the US it really has been that long. So that was a game, man, that was a fun game. They didn't have it against Turkey in the semifinals, but they obviously showed up in this one. They both wanted to win it because Finland has never meddled and that was huge for them. Again, they're president in there. All the Greek legends who beat us in 2006 and diamantes and Papalucas were there. It was a really, really great game. Yeah, great. Both bronze medal game and of course the gold medal game. Great way to end it.

B (25:59)

Yeah. And I was even happy for you to see Jorge Garbajosa and Hido Turkalu sitting like three seats away from each other. Yeah, it's perfect. Did you, did you shed a tear for Greece or did you grin ear to ear for Greece?

A (26:11)

It was a grin. It was definitely a grin. I went and got a tissue. 4. I was handing it to my, my TV for Papa Nicolao. Yeah, but I didn't, I wasn't crying. No, I, I gotta be honest. I'm not gonna lie. No, no tears were had on this end.

B (26:26)

That's a happy. It's A happy moment for the fans, you know?

A (26:29)

Yeah, gosh, yeah. Yeah. It was big. I mean, the hearing that in the crowd, very, very fun. They brought it against the wolf pack of the Fin fans. That's what they were calling them, right? Yeah.

B (26:45)

They had some people dressed up as wolves sitting in the stands, which was pretty awesome as well. Eurobasket tournament is great. FIBA basketball is just awesome to watch the effort and the passion from the players and from the fans, the coaches. Like, it's a different than just watching through the regular season in the NBA. You know, elimination games in the NBA get like that, I think, but every game in Euro Basket feels like it's a game seven.

A (27:10)

Yeah. And we just. We had that comment up of Dennis Schroeder being named MVP of tournament. Of the entire tournament. I know it's that time of season where we get a little too. A little too excited about the NBA, but I. I start to think, all right, Dennis Schroeder, he can do it in the Sacramento Kings, but either way, obviously, he feedbitted up to the max. Congrats to Shooter. Congrats to that freaking team, man.

B (27:38)

Yeah. And Schroeder, look, if you're a Kings fan, you're like, look at the playmaking. That's exactly what we need. He was setting the table for the most part in this game until he hit the two big shots down the stretch. And I kind of feel like that was Schroeder's MO throughout this tournament. He did have good scoring games. He was one of the leading scorers for Germany, but he felt much more like a facilitator than necessarily a score, the way he plays in the NBA. So, yeah, he was really great. I don't know if it necessarily translates. Shooter's a good player in the NBA, but once he gets to FIBA tournaments, he is hall of Fame worthy, which is something I saw in the stream team and something I heard Tim Bonsems talking about on the Hoop Collective is that should Schroeder and the German team go on to win the championship, which obviously they did, Schroeder got named mvp. It could make him a Hall of Famer once you include his NBA career, plus all the success he's had internationally. I don't know every international player that's made the hall of Fame strictly on their FIBA performances, but the guy's been one of the best players in international basketball for a decade straight. And every time he shows up in these tournaments, you expect him to be the one that comes up in the clutch.

A (28:46)

Right. And that's the, the biggest test with him with the Kings is to allow Levine and DeRozan and even Kikimuri, even Malik Monk. That's the question for me, playing the same position as a guy to let those guys eat. And then, you know, when you got to. You go off, it was, it was surprising to be. To see. Yeah, he played so much. He played 34 minutes of the 40 minute game, 40 minutes in this one. And literally, you know, I wasn't having a hot game shooting. But then as he was needed just because he was, he was there. He was, he was. He had the ball in his hands for the entire game. He came through. That's my question with the Kings. Malik Monk's gonna be on the floor a lot, so I just wonder how much they will share or we're gonna see Schroeder floaters all game.

B (29:32)

You're making, you're making me think too much about the Kings first.

A (29:35)

Yeah, sorry, man. Yeah, yeah, go think about the Bears. I think we're done here.

B (29:38)

No, I also don't want to think about the Bears. I'd almost rather think about the right now. Until I remember their two highest paid players and who they used to play for. And then I start thinking about everything that's going wrong with Chicago sports.

A (29:51)

Yeah, we do have a few weeks before we really, really deeply get into NBA basketball. Although we will be back on Tuesday to do a mailbag show where everybody's sending in great questions about the NBA season. Lots of good stuff that'll happen on Tuesday. Also Monday. Tomorrow, Trey, you and Skeets, I think are doing a top shot hot boys. Is that what's happening?

B (30:18)

The boys are back. The top shot hot boys are back. If you want to hear two old guys talk about 16 very old guys, this is the show for you. Tiny Archibald.

A (30:30)

What?

B (30:30)

Moses Malone. These are names we're going to be saying. These are highlights. You're going to be seeing tasks. Tune in on Monday.

A (30:36)

Oh, nice teaser. Very nice teaser. All right, that's it for me. I will say I learned that Susie Genji is finished for a wolf pack. Okay, so the Susie Genji was kicking ass out there. That's all I gotta say about that. Otherwise, Clipper Bros, you heard it here first.

B (30:59)

Have a great time. Turn up. Love you guys. Awesome. Thanks for joining us. And remember, Germany are the world champions of basketball.