NBA Trade Deadline Recap Pt. 2 | Live Reax To Every Deal: Washington, Bogdanovic, Schroder

Summary

No Dunks Podcast Summary: NBA Trade Deadline Recap Pt. 2 | Live Reax To Every Deal: Washington, Bogdanovic, Schroder

Release Date: February 8, 2024
Host: The Athletic’s Skeets, Tas, Trey, and JD
Platform: YouTube (Hosted on Acast)

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Introduction

The latest episode of No Dunks, hosted by Skeets, Tas, Trey, and JD, delves into the whirlwind of transactions surrounding the NBA trade deadline. Broadcasting live from the Classic Factory, the hosts navigate through the maze of trades, offering insights, critiques, and predictions on how these moves will shape the remainder of the season.

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Major Trades

1. Dallas Mavericks Acquire PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford

The Mavericks made headlines by acquiring PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford from the Charlotte Hornets in exchange for Grant Williams, Seth Curry, and a top-two protected 2027 first-round pick.

• Skeets (00:53): "The big one was the Mavericks getting the keys to the Chevy Tracks, baby. That's right. PJ Washington and two second-round picks are going to Dallas in exchange for Grant Williams, Seth Curry and a top two protected 2027 first-round pick."

Analysis:

• Tas (03:07): "P.J. Washington, known as a three-and-D guy, has not been all that good at it recently... Grant Williams getting burned on the defensive end."
• Trey (05:18): "But you got to see him on the right night, the night when he's hitting threes, he looks like a guy who's going to help you out."

The hosts express skepticism about the value of trading Grant Williams and a significant future pick for PJ Washington, questioning Washington's recent performance and fit within the Mavericks’ system.

2. New York Knicks Acquire Bojan Bogdanovic and Alec Burks

In a strategic move, the Knicks traded a multitude of assets to the Detroit Pistons, obtaining Bojan Bogdanovic and Alec Burks.

• Skeets (08:39): "the Knicks did trade for Bogdanovich and Burks, Alec Burks and Bojan Bogdanovic going to New York for a bunch of guys led by Quentin Grimes."

Analysis:

• Tas (09:26): "Bojan, who's had 40-point games in his career, can come off the bench and be that guy late in games."
• Trey (10:46): "My main concern is Tibbs playing Alec Burks too much like that."

The acquisition is viewed positively, with the addition of Bogdanovic and Burks bolstering the Knicks' bench depth and scoring ability, especially in critical moments.

3. Toronto Raptors Trade Dennis Schroder to the Brooklyn Nets

The Raptors traded Dennis Schroder to the Nets for Spencer Dinwiddie and Thaddeus Young, subsequently waiving Dinwiddie.

• Skeets (15:25): "they have traded Dennis Schroeder to the Nets for Spencer Dinwiddie and Thaddeus Young."
• Tas (16:27): "Specifically Spencer Dinwiddie. He's an expiring contract while Schroder signed through next season."

Analysis:

• Trey (17:44): "The Raptors are going to have a chance at moving into the top six. I think they're going to be bad."
• Je Skeets (23:02): "Now the Raptors trading for Dinwiddie and then waving Dinwiddie."

The trade is met with confusion, as the Raptors appear to have minimal gain, trading a more established player like Schroder for the uncertain future of Dinwiddie and Young.

4. Patrick Beverley Traded to the Milwaukee Bucks

Patrick Beverley announced his trade to the Bucks, exchanging his spot for a 2027 second-round pick.

• Je Skeets (22:29): "Patrick Beverley breaking news today, saying I'm being traded to the Bucks for campaign and a 2027 second-round pick."
• Trey (23:08): "But like Beverly, he elevates your team. His attitude pervades and I think he's going to make them a tougher, meaner team."

Analysis:

• Tas (24:40): "Patrick Beverley, he's a dog. He brings his podcast first and foremost."

The trade is seen as beneficial for the Bucks, adding defensive tenacity and leadership to complement their core players.

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Minor Trades and Transactions

1. San Antonio Spurs Acquire Doug McDermott

The Spurs traded Marcus Morris and a second-round pick to the Indiana Pacers for Doug McDermott.

• Je Skeets (37:46): "the Pacers were trading Marcus Morris... to the Spurs for Doug McDermott."
• Trey (33:06): "He'll do the same thing. Catch the ball and shoot it as soon as he gets it."

McDermott is expected to provide reliable three-point shooting off the bench, mirroring his role with previous teams.

2. Milwaukee Bucks Send Robin Lopez to Sacramento Kings

In another move, the Bucks traded Robin Lopez to the Kings, who are expected to waive him.

• Je Skeets (37:49): "Milwaukee Bucks sending Robin Lopez to the Sacramento Kings."
• Trey (38:48): "He won't complain about minutes. Like Buddy, I think did a little bit."

This transaction is primarily for financial reasons, freeing up roster space for the Bucks.

3. Boston Celtics Acquire Jaden Springer

The Celtics traded Jaden Springer to the Celtics for a second-round pick, addressing their bench depth.

• Je Skeets (43:25): "the 76ers are trading Jaden Springer to the Celtics for a second-round pick."
• Tas (44:43): "He's good at defense. Yeah, he's very athletic and good defense."

Springer is expected to bring defensive energy and depth to the Celtics' lineup.

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Teams That Did Not Make Significant Moves

1. Chicago Bulls

The Bulls opted to stand pat, with no major trades to their name, leaving fans and analysts puzzled.

• Trey (57:24): "Bulls haven't made a trade involving a player since August 2021."
• Tas (58:22): "Maybe the Bulls just want to save money and let Drummond go."

The lack of activity is critiqued, especially concerning Andre Drummond's future role.

2. Utah Jazz and Houston Rockets

The Jazz are considered likely to remain inactive, while the Rockets leaned towards making moves but ultimately held steady.

• Je Skeets (26:01): "The Jazz are likely good here at the deadline."
• Tas (50:54): "They traded Ochai Abaji and Kelly Olenyk. But Kelly Olenyk is a decent part."

Both teams focused on maintaining their current rosters rather than pursuing significant trades.

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Analysis and Insights

Trade Value and Future Implications: The hosts debated the value each team received in these trades, particularly scrutinizing the Mavericks' deal as potentially poor value by trading future first-round picks for role players. In contrast, the Knicks' moves were lauded for enhancing their bench strength without sacrificing future assets.

Team Strategies:

• Mavericks: Focused on immediate roster improvement around Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving but possibly jeopardizing future flexibility.
• Knicks: Strengthened their rotation depth, crucial for navigating injuries and enhancing playoff contention prospects.
• Raptors: Seemingly made unclear moves, trading a seasoned player for uncertain prospects, raising questions about their strategy.
• Bucks: Added veteran defensive prowess with Patrick Beverley, aiming to bolster their defensive schemes.

Prospects for Minor Trades: Several minor trades were discussed, highlighting teams addressing specific needs like three-point shooting or bench depth. However, many were seen as inconsequential to the broader league dynamics.

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Conclusion and Future Predictions

As the trade deadline concluded, No Dunks left listeners contemplating the impact of these trades on the NBA landscape. The Mavericks' aggressive moves for immediate talent were contrasted with the Knicks' strategic depth enhancements. Meanwhile, the Raptors' perplexing decisions raise questions about their future direction. The hosts hinted at further analysis in upcoming episodes, especially focusing on winners and losers of the trade deadline.

Notable Quotes:

• Skeets (00:53): "PJ Washington and two second-round picks are going to Dallas in exchange for Grant Williams, Seth Curry and a top two protected 2027 first-round pick."
• Tas (03:07): "P.J. Washington, known as a three-and-D guy, has not been all that good at it recently."
• Trey (05:18): "PJ Washington can be a helpful player. But if I'm a Mavericks fan, the Grant Williams experience has not been good to me."
• Je Skeets (15:25): "the Raptors trading for Dinwiddie and then waving Dinwiddie."
• Trey (23:08): "Beverley elevates your team. His attitude pervades and I think he's going to make them a tougher, meaner team."

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Stay tuned to No Dunks for more in-depth analysis and live reactions to all things NBA as the season progresses toward the playoffs.

Transcript

[JE Skeets]

Good afternoon, sweet world, and welcome to the no Dunks podcast on the Athletic Network. It's still Thursday, February 8, 2024. We're live on YouTube, kicking it with y' all as we make our way up to the NBA trade deadline buzzer at 3pm Eastern. It's 2:12 right now, 8. If you're following along, I'm JE Skeets, hunkered down here in the Classic Factory. Smells like Chick Fil A and farts. And alongside me, as always, Tas Melis.

[Tas Melis]

Glad your smelling is working. It's working, right?

[JE Skeets]

I still got my senses. Next to him, it's the bearded woman. Topshot, hot boy Trey Kirby.

[Trey Kirby]

Hey, hey, yo.

[JE Skeets]

Over yonder, we got two super producers, JD And Eshua Kid.

[Tas Melis]

How y' all doing?

[JE Skeets]

We're rolling. Got two of them working over there and we still won't have lower thirds on this show. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. And also here in studio, ripping off trade board graphics like it's his job.

[Tas Melis]

At least I'm only ripping trade graphics.

[JE Skeets]

It's Jerome Chang. Oh, yeah. We got the whole crew here. We've been in the Classic Factory for a while and we're going loopy because the slop, it's just trickling in all day long.

[Tas Melis]

We gotta get away from these nasty words.

[JE Skeets]

What? Farts and flops and.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, trickling, trickling. I don't know. I got two men around me doing some wild things back here.

[JE Skeets]

Right here.

[Trey Kirby]

I do have a crazy thing going on on my computer. I don't know what that is. I don't know, but it sounds like it's been six dudes stuck in a garage all day.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, it has been. It's exactly what it's been. Thanks, everybody, for joining us live once again here on YouTube. Take a second hit. Hit the like button. Make sure you subscribe. Podcast listeners, if this finds its way to you a little bit later, leave your boys a five star rating and review. So we already did a show this morning, talked about yesterday's minor moves and then some trades that were happening while we were live on the air in the a.m. we'll get to those a little bit later in this one, but we've had, I don't know, another five, six, seven somewhat small trades still go down over the last couple hours. And let's start with the Dallas Mavericks, who had two deals that probably included, up to this point, the biggest names or some of the biggest names. The big one was the Mavericks getting the keys to the Chevy Tracks, baby. That's right. PJ Washington and two second round picks are going to Dallas in exchange for Grant Williams, Seth Curry and a top two protected 2027 first round pick. And look at those two producers coming through with the lower thirds. In my face. Stick it, Skeets. So yes, there it is. Oh, my God. Jerome. Putting me and my tracks there on the ground.

[Tas Melis]

The lower third. And you with your car. There's a photo of you and your car here. As we talked about PJ Washington, you said the biggest names. I don't know about that. I don't know about P.J. washington. Be the biggest names today.

[JE Skeets]

Traded player wise, talented, wise.

[Tas Melis]

Give me a Bowie and Bogdanovich. I think the Knicks are bigger winners than this. This is a big question mark for me. P.J. washington, known as a three and D guy, has not been all that good at it recently. That that's the biggest thing. They gave up on Grant Williams here and they gave up a first round pick. That's only top two protected.

[JE Skeets]

In 27.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, in 27. Yeah, whatever. Who knows what the Mavs are going to become without Luca possibly. Who knows what it'll be in 2027. I think the Hornets did pretty good, pretty well on this one. But just because of PJ just hasn't been an incredible shooter this year. 32 for 3 last year, 35 from 3. He seems to be a second, second guy, secondary, complimentary guy. That's been all right throughout his career. And obviously Grant Williams getting burned on the defensive end. So they go and get P.J. washington, who's a little bit taller, but I don't know if this is going to work all that well.

[Trey Kirby]

One inch taller.

[JE Skeets]

He's one inch taller.

[Tas Melis]

Grant Williams is short, but that was a quick run for Grant Williams. They just got him before this season. They said, all right, you're out of here for PJ Washington, essentially.

[Trey Kirby]

And I think they traded a pick swap to get Grant Williams from the Celtics and then are now paying another first round draft pick to get off Grant Williams and bring in PJ Washington, who, like Taz says, can be a helpful player. But you got to see him on the right night, the night when he's hitting threes, he looks like a guy who's going to help you out. And the other nights it's like if you're not hitting threes and you're not playing D, are you really a 3 and D player? But I guess they just wanted somebody besides Grant Williams is what it kind of comes down to. So P.J. washington one of the better names out there right now to get. At least it shows. Luka, we're trying. They have traded a whole bunch of their future away for role players and centers and guys who can move the needle a tiny, tiny bit. But if I'm a Mavericks fan, the Grant Williams experience has not been good to me, I don't think. But for the, for the Hornets, I think this is nice getting a first round pick because who knows what the Mavericks will be in 2027. And Grant Williams apparently was talking with the Hornets over the summer as well as potentially a team that he could join there. So maybe he'll have a better run where he'll have a lot of shots available to him.

[JE Skeets]

Yes. And Seth Curry gets to play in front of dad Del Curry there on the broadcast.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, there will be good nights for BJ Washington, that's for sure. He's averaged a block per game throughout his career, which is surprising. But he can play 3, 4, 5 defensively. But I'm not totally sold on this quite yet.

[JE Skeets]

But maybe you're not sold on PJ Washington actually being a better basketball player than Grant Williams is really what you're getting at.

[Tas Melis]

Well, at times. And they got a first round pick for him. That's a good get for Paul Jermaine Washington Jr. Full name, because I was unaware of that until today.

[JE Skeets]

P.J. washington going to Dallas, well, that wasn't the only thing that they did earlier today on deadline day. They also acquired Daniel Gafford. That's a good one from the Wizards for Rashawn Holmes and draft compensation we have there. So yeah, Gafford for Holmes, really? So yeah, PJ Washington and Gaffer, these are, you know, trying to address, I guess, you know, their perimeter and bigs behind Derek Lively ii, who is their starting center. What do you think about this, TK.

[Trey Kirby]

I think that Daniel Gafford is better than Rashawn Holmes, but I don't really think he solves any issues for the Dallas Mavericks. He plays the exact same way as Derek Lively, but he's obviously not going to be as good at it, so he'll be coming off the bench. I think a big issue for the Dallas Mavericks is defensive rebounding. They're 26th in the league in defensive rebounding. Gafford is pretty poor on the glass, as is PJ Washington, so they're not really winning there. But if you can catch lobs, you can play alongside Luka Doncic is what it comes down to. So Gafford, I think he's top 10 in the league in dunks. Playing on a team that has average point guards, if you're being generous, he will probably finish in the top 10 in dunks because I think lively is seventh and Gafford is like ninth or something like that, so. Lob City, baby.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. The Masters are seriously going forward here with with Gafford and PJ and paying a lot for them this draft compensation. We don't know exactly what it is at this point, but Gafford signed through two more years of making 13 and 14 mil. So yes, is he better than Rashaun Holmes? For sure. And he is a pretty good finisher at the rim. As Trey was saying, he finished pretty well for Tyus Jones lobs 1.3 point. Excuse me, 1.43 points. Possession as a roll man is damn good. His rebounds have gotten better on the defensive end. They need a big guy. Yeah, he is amazing at that, but he is good. They just need a center, frankly. And Dallas's record with Lively, 22 and 14 without him, 6 and 9. So they just need help and I think he will, he will help in that regard.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah. No, no, Kuzma, he looks like he's not gonna be traded. I know there's 40 minutes left here before the actual deadline hits. I think the thinking is he's gonna draw still interest come summer if the Wizards hold on to him from multiple teams. In part because he does have a pretty, you know, manageable contract that descends as we gone. We went over the other day. It actually gets, you know, less and less as it moves forward. So that could be enticing to some teams. But yeah, it looks like Kyle Kuzma, who we had on the Graphic, will not likely be traded here. We did say though this morning the most realistic guys to put on the trade deadline graphic would be Grant Williams, at least one of the Mavs guys because we thought they would be doing something. We said Royce o' Neal, check. And what was the other one we said?

[Trey Kirby]

Bruce Brown.

[JE Skeets]

Bruce Brown. Now that's the one that we're still waiting on.

[Trey Kirby]

No Bruce news.

[JE Skeets]

No Bruce news right now. But the Knicks did trade for Bogdanovich and Burks, Alec Burks and Bojan Bogdanovic going to New York for a bunch of guys led by Quentin Grimes. That's the key piece here for Detroit. And then Malachi Flynn and Fournier. And we got Ryan, Archie Diacono and two future second round picks. So a lot of moving parts here. I know the Pistons have been busy like waving guys left and right here today too. Joe Harris, Killian Hayes. Who else am I forgetting? There's someone else they let go.

[Trey Kirby]

Dan Wellhouse.

[JE Skeets]

That's right. Yes. Yeah, they just acquired him and he's gone. But you said it already. You liked this move from New York because you're a big fan of Bogdanovich. You think this is like the best player, at least move so far.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, maybe I'm being subjective here because I love what the Knicks are and how hard they work. And the Mavericks haven't really established themselves as that. The Knicks just polish their. Their edges a little bit better here with Boyne Bogdanovic, who can be a scorer late in games. A few weeks ago he had a performance for the Pistons where he was given the ball at the end of the fourth quarter, over and over and over and he had 33.9. Yeah, it was against the Hornets, but that doesn't matter. He was given the ball over and over and over. And they went offense for defense with him. They brought Assar Thompson into the game while he took over at the floor, on the floor at the other end. Perfect Knicks. Perfect Knicks recipe. The Knicks have a lot of defensive guys. Boyan, who's had 40 point games in his career, can come off the bench and be that guy late in games. And also Alec Burks helps out because Jalen Brunson at times has to do so much for this team. I think he just helps be a backup guard. They just need guys to eat minutes as. As Tibbs gives a lot of minutes to Jalen Brunson and deuce, but McBride is their backup point guard. I think Alec Burks just gives a little bit of. A little bit of rest for Jalen Brunson, which is a guy who's going to play so much, but he plays through everything because he's tough as nails. So, yeah, I think the Knicks just got smarter on the edges a little bit. Both guys are going to be coming off the bench, but both capable players.

[JE Skeets]

Do you like it as much as Tass?

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, absolutely. My main concern is Tibbs playing Alec Burks too much like that. That'll be the problem if he starts playing him a lot over McBride, which, you know, it probably will be an offense, defense sort of thing, but when it comes down to it, he should be on the bench at the end of these games, whereas Bogdanovic, maybe he's in the closing lineups and he definitely will be. While Julius Randle was out, we just saw that game against the Lakers when they double teamed Jalen Brunson the entire second half. And the Knicks could get nothing going offensively because Randle was out and OG Anunoby continues to be out and we don't really know when he's coming back. It seems like his injury is getting worse the more he sits on the bench right now for the Knicks. So with Grimes out of the rotation and they don't want to pay him, I think this is great to be able to get a couple of guys who are absolutely going to be in the rotation for the Knicks. They both bomb threes, which is kind of one of the Knicks secret sauces. They shoot a lot of threes if you're not Brunson or Randall or one of the big guys who catches dunks. So this is great stuff for them. They've added like four rotation players during the transaction periods here and they still have all their first round picks.

[JE Skeets]

Right?

[Trey Kirby]

Leon's cooking.

[JE Skeets]

That's a good point. I think the Knicks are going to be, when you get to tomorrow's podcasts and columns and articles and all that, winners and losers of the trade deadline when you consider the OG move and the prior moves. TK like you said, I think the Knicks will be on a lot of people's winners list for some of these moves where they didn't have to give up any first round picks.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, and they get a guy in Bogdanovich who I said a few weeks ago he was their guy to go to at the end of the games. Recently has had games of six threes, four threes, another one with four threes. The guy can score in this league. He's lost a tiny bit of step on the defensive end. He ain't that same guy who was guarding LeBron James in 2018. That seven around seven game series. Pacers and the Cavs way back when he was the guy. He was a really good playoff performer. The Pistons held on to him and held on to him and held on to him finally until this day when a lot of his money is unguaranteed next year. They finally given up a little bit. They given up on Killian Hayes who started a lot this season. The Pistons are going through one here where they're finally changing their their entire roster basically a little bit.

[JE Skeets]

Except they're young stars.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, they get Quentin Grimes in this one who, who's a three and D guy who should help out a little bit. But yeah, I'm glad Jaden Ivey's playing on that team because Killian Hayes was playing a lot.

[JE Skeets]

Not bad for Bogdanovich and Burks to be on a Seven win team get traded today to a team near the top of the Eastern Conference to go play in Madison Square Garden. You know, people are obviously very excited about this team and rightfully so. And they could play a part like they're gonna, they're gonna get an opportunity, especially with the injuries. That's the other part. Maybe they're like, Knicks are looking at this like, okay, yeah, they might help in a playoff series, but we want to have home court advantage. We want to keep pace with the Cavs and the Bucs if we can. We have the main guys that are banged up or injured, especially with Randle and OG and Bogdanovich could at least slot into those positions and help.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, the OG injury a little scary that he's missed a six straight game with elbow problems. He missed games with the Raptors as well, like 15 last year. Well, that was a good year because it was 34 the year before that, 29 the year before that. So he does miss, miss a lot of time. But hopefully those elbow spurs as we're getting, getting heard, wouldn't want to have.

[Trey Kirby]

Spurs in my elbows, only on my heels. From the Piston side of thing, I do like them getting Grimes. I think he's like a solid player for them to pick up. He gives you something on the defensive end which they're absolutely gonna need. He can shoot and he doesn't require the ball all that often. So Cade can cook a little bit, Ivy can cook as well. But I mean they're basically getting back to future second round picks here for Bogdanovic when theoretically they could have gotten two first round picks last year. Which would you rather have Quentin Grimes in two seconds or two first round picks? I would prefer the picks myself, but that's just not how Troy Weaver does it. Yeah, he doesn't like these picks. Yeah, I know they're rebuilding, but if you can get a veteran, Troy Weaver will take your veteran.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. And he didn't get a first round pick like the Charlotte Hornets did, for instance. It would have been nice to get. Yeah. First round pick instead of these second round picks. And I don't want to compare the Pistons to the Knicks, but as you just said about Quentin Grimes pulling out the floor a little bit, even Fontechio coming in to space out two point land for those guys for Kade Cunningham and Jaden Ivey mainly. That's what the Knicks do too with OG Anunoby and here with guys like Bon Bogdanovich, they need space for Randall and obviously Jalen Brunson. It helps. And so Maybe the Pistons are going a different route. Who knows? But the Knicks are definitely going a different. They're, they're looking good.

[JE Skeets]

The Raptors were busy today. We obviously talked about Kelly Olenek making his way up to Toronto on our morning show. Well, they weren't done. They have traded Dennis Schroeder to the Nets for Spencer Dinwiddie and Thaddeus Young. No, Thaddeus Young, of course. Going to the Nets.

[Trey Kirby]

Going to the Nets.

[JE Skeets]

You know, there's a lot happening here today. You know, I already screwed up draft picks going to one team. You know, look, it happens. But the, the core of this is Schroeder for Dinwiddie.

[Tas Melis]

What is Toronto doing today? I'm a little with this one. Specifically Spencer Dinwiddie. He's an expiring contract while Schroeder signed through next season. The Nets desperately need a point guard and Schroeder is more of a point guard than Spencer Dinwiddie. So it sort of makes sense because Ben Simmons has played nine games this season. He's missing every second game since he's been back. Not only the back injury, but knee injuries. So it sort of makes sense for the Raps. It's financial to me. You may just get off Spencer Dinwiddie's contract. We get it.

[JE Skeets]

That money's going to go to IQ too quickly.

[Tas Melis]

Yes. Yeah. And Kelly Olenick as well. I know people love the Kelly Olenick grab, but also expiring. So it really comes down to him.

[Trey Kirby]

They trade a first round pick for him.

[Tas Melis]

I think that they like Ochaya Baji in this one. They traded Otto Porter Jr. Yeah, we can get to that one later. But It's Auto Porter Jr, Kyra Lewis and a late first round pick for Kelly Olenek and Oshaya Baji. Really it comes down to how good is Manuel Quickley going to be for this team to go along with Barnes. That's what, that's what it's going to come down to. Quickley's got to be good next season and running a team, frankly.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah. The roster right now for the Raptors, they only have seven players under contract next season. RJ Barrett, Scotty Barnes, Purdle Grady, Dick Boucher is still there. Jalen McDaniels, Abagi, as you said, coming over from Utah. And then Bruce Brown has a teen option and they're going to likely resign quickly. Analytic, like TK said, they probably will after trading a first round pick for him. So you're up to 10 there, but yeah, strange move I mean, look, the Nets didn't want Dinwiddie anymore. That was no secret. They were like, anybody want Dinwiddie? We do not want him here. And there were. There were reports going around that he was like basically mailing it in out there.

[Trey Kirby]

Quiet quitting.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, quiet quitting. So they get shrouded here. But what do you think about the Raptors doing this and the Nets getting shrouder?

[Trey Kirby]

The Raptors are going to have a chance at moving into the top six. I think they're going to be bad. I mean, they're bad right now anyways. 2 and 12 in their last 14. Dinwiddie is a downgrade from Schroeder. I mean, I don't know how much of a downgrade. I think the biggest downgrade is probably in the locker room. He's been traded at the last three deadlines. Dinwiddie has seems to wear out his welcome pretty quickly. I don't know. I don't really have a lot of takes on this one. But the Raptors, if the point is to be bad, they're doing a good job.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, but that's why it's confusing to.

[Trey Kirby]

Bring in Olenek and trade a first round pick for him. That's the confusing thing.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Again, I don't know how hot they are about Kelly Olek. Really?

[Trey Kirby]

Then why did they trade?

[JE Skeets]

So he thinks it's for Obaji.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Abaji is part of that deal as well. It's a late first round pick. They're taking a chance on Obaji, a guy who's been in the league. This is his second year. He's an extremely athletic guy for Kelly. Why would I think they'd rather have him than Kelly Olenek, who is. He's getting old. Obviously he'd be good. You know, he'll be at the elbow and he'll set you up and he'll set up the entire offense, which is good. But really what it comes down to, I think how good this team is going to be is the guys they got from the Knicks really to help out Barnes. I'm not. And then obviously it hasn't been fantastic. It has not been fantastic. As they sit here tied for the six worst record in the league. Which would be good because they could hold on to that first round pick.

[JE Skeets]

Right. Which then rolls over to another year for the Spurs.

[Tas Melis]

Right.

[JE Skeets]

With it if they obviously keep it. So it's not like they're out of it and done, done and dusted. But yeah, two of their ve that Guy's going out today. Otto Porter Jr. Zaddy Siang, Kelly Olenek comes back right now. So there is that. But yeah, Dinwiddie in Toronto 4Now and Bruce Brown is still there. But you know, we're about 30 minutes to the buzzer here.

[Tas Melis]

Somebody sent a comment here on YouTube when we were talking about Ochai Baji. He said, is oche a word for gross in Canada? How dare you? How dare you insult the Raptors. Ridiculously bad record this season. Yeah, they're not good.

[JE Skeets]

Look, the Raptors Messiah Giri, I guess, and Bobby Webster just like the Nigerian Canadian connection going on right now. That's how they're building this team. You're either Canadian, RJ Barrett, Kelly Olenek, Nigerian, Abaji Noira before. I mean we got some. That's what they're cooking up there. It's all about family. We're not building the team, we're building a family. It's very strange. Very strange.

[Trey Kirby]

Michael Grange said that the Raptors are targeting people who would make Toronto their first choice.

[JE Skeets]

Right. Right.

[Trey Kirby]

They're gonna have a lot of cap room.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

This summer.

[Tas Melis]

Lots of cap room. I think that's what they like about Spencer Dinwiddie's contract the most, that it comes off the books.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, we have a three way deal. I believe it's our only three way deal of the day so far. Well, it's a little confusing. We know Royce o' Neill and David the Body Roddy are going to the Suns and a bunch of guys at the end of their roster. Watanabe, who I think is ending up in Memphis, MeToo Bates, Giop, I think Goodwin, you know, I'm sure there's some draft capital moving around, but the, the Grizzlies and the Nets involved here with the Suns in a three way deal. But Royce o' Neill is the. Is the. I guess the key name from this. The Suns trading four guys for two that they think maybe will have more of an impact as they sort of gear up for a postseason run. Tk, get us started on this one if you have any takeaways.

[Trey Kirby]

Luck. All of those minimum contract guys that the sun signed over the summer turned out to be minimum contract guys. None of them could stick in the rotation despite getting quite a few shots at it. Basically all of them, they all had their moments. But the biggest thing here is that they were able to turn into a guy who will probably stay in the rotation in Royce O' Neill. He's an okay shooter. 36% this season from three 38% for his career. He's an okay defender, so I think he will at least get a shot on some of the wings. To save Booker from the wear and tear, to save Kevin Durant from the wear and tear. He's just a fine role player. And considering that the Suns didn't have a ton of assets from a draft pick standpoint or from a player contract standpoint, I think they did a fine job.

[Tas Melis]

Right. The rotation, obviously it's the big three up top. Then Grayson Allen has had a good year. Then Eric Gordon and Yusuf Nurkic. Those six, they're a lock. Disappointed Utah Watanabe didn't become that guy for some reason didn't play under Frank Vogel all that much. But yeah, beyond those top six, Royce o' Neill will automatically be a part of it and finish games besides their big three, I imagine at times because just because he's a really good defender no matter what.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, that's obviously adding to like sort of their top eight rotation is what you're saying. And maybe even David Roddy as well. And Watanabe. Yeah, going back to Memphis where it all started.

[Tas Melis]

Right, right.

[JE Skeets]

Sort of forget he was a grizzly once upon a time. Obviously made his way to the Raptors as well. But yes, that's the three way that we had today. And then one more that we know of right now and he announced it on his own podcast Twitter account. Patrick Beverley breaking news today, saying I'm being traded to the Bucks for campaign and a 2027 second round pick. What a flex to announce your own trade. I mean imagine he was live doing a trade special like us and saying, I got breaking news here.

[Trey Kirby]

Step your game up.

[JE Skeets]

I've been traded. But yeah, what do you think, TK Bev going to Milwaukee.

[Trey Kirby]

Great get. I think this is exactly what the Milwaukee Bucks need. They had been indicating that they were looking to move on from Cameron Payne heading into the trade deadline. They gave up a 2027 second round pick. Fine by me. Because Patrick Beverley, he's a dog. He brings his podcast first and foremost. So he'll go head to head with Fanalytics. Is that still running?

[JE Skeets]

Who knows? Who knows.

[Trey Kirby]

But like Beverly, he elevates your team. His tude pervades and I think he's going to make them a tougher, meaner team. They need somebody who's going to at least try and guard the backcourt defensively. Like he will sub in for Malik Beasley at times. I'm sure to be their stopper. Beverley, you know, I think the fact that his strengths lie in on ball defense makes him a little bit of an overrated defender, but the attitude and, like, the effort he gives, it definitely, like, affects the rest of the team, so that's cool. I do wonder how him and Damian Lillard will get together, but like Beverly, you hate him until he's on your team and then it's all good.

[JE Skeets]

That's exactly right. Damian Lillard has told Chris Haynes. He first off said, you know, sad to see campaign go and all that. We developed a good friendship quote, though this is lower. Speaking about Beverly, as for Pat, he brings an edge and a defensive tenacity on the perimeter that we need. There are not many players who bring it on a nightly like him. I look forward to working together. So, yes, already putting what was in their past remaining there. So, yeah, I, I'm with you. I like this addition. This is sort of what they need, a little spark here. And he's, you know, you're getting that from Patrick Beverly.

[Tas Melis]

They need some attitude, that's for sure. And we all know that Doc really loves guys that used to play for him. Yeah, Pat Bev played for him for three seasons with the Clippers, so that sort of makes sense. Apparently, Yanis Saidokumpo really loves Patrick Beverly. Played that clip before we came on today. How. How Pat on his podcast said that Yanis, you know, said, I. I love you, Doug. You want to come to win. Win a championship, Come to Milwaukee. That was. I don't know how long ago he said that he didn't trade for him, but that's. Yeah, it helps. They also didn't trust Campaign a lot to be the backup point guard. And yeah, I guess Pat Bev is going to have an opportunity here, that's for sure.

[JE Skeets]

Beverly has played for a whole lot of teams over the last, you know, five or six years. He was with the Clippers for. For a while, and then he bounced to Minnesota, of course, and he was on the Lakers. Then he was on your bulls 14 and 9. Then he was on your. On the Sixers, and now he's on Milwaukee. A lot of teams here for Pat Bev.

[Trey Kirby]

I'm actually kind of surprised that the Sixers would trade him. Yeah, he's better than Campaign for me. I mean, maybe they wanted a little bit more scoring. Campaign is definitely more offensively tilted, but I thought Beverly was kind of locked in there with the Sixers. You know, he's always wearing like a Phillies toque in his. His podcast. I saw him walk in with a Bryce Harper jersey once upon A time I thought he was made for Philadelphia, but apparently they wanted to get on the campaign. Campaign.

[JE Skeets]

That's right.

[Tas Melis]

And maybe they're trying to get Kyle Lowry here.

[Trey Kirby]

That's exactly right.

[JE Skeets]

The Sixers in a bio situation. Yeah, that'll be. Feels like the replacement. Yes.

[Tas Melis]

Go home, enjoy Philadelphia. Yeah, that. That would make sense actually. Our man John Hollinger chiming in about the three way trade.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

And that Jordan Goodwin and Kate Abates Diop are also going to Brooklyn.

[JE Skeets]

They're going to Brooklyn.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[JE Skeets]

METU is the one. We don't know where he's landing.

[Tas Melis]

Yes.

[JE Skeets]

Is he going to the Grizzlies or Nets?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, good one. Was supposed to be good for the Phoenix as a backup guard. That obviously didn't happen. Yeah, they're just going to rely on Beal and Booker a ton, I guess.

[JE Skeets]

Tony Jones of the Athletic is saying the Jazz are likely good here at the deadline. That means Jordan Clarkson is probably staying put because he was another name rumored to be on the move. And then Kelly Eco of the Athletic follows the Rockets. A few trade concepts are quote still alive, but barring a sudden change in the final. Well now 20 minutes or so, the Rockets are leaning towards standing pat at the deadline as well. So maybe the Jazz and the Rockets are done making moves. Not that they Rockets even made a move today.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I mean they did the Stevens at Steven Adams trade, right?

[JE Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

But there was that report not too long ago that they were. Who were they in the mix for?

[Tas Melis]

Somebody good. It wasn't. It wasn't a Zach Levine. No, it was a big name. Dejante Murray.

[Trey Kirby]

No, they were. They were chasing people though.

[Tas Melis]

They were chasing.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, Udoka. I want to make the playoffs. I've made it like the last seven years. I was a coach or whatever his claims were.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't know who it was.

[JE Skeets]

Well, because Jalen Green's name was like, oh, you can maybe get him if you give us the right player up. Smart.

[Trey Kirby]

Smart move to slow play it. They didn't need to really push all in on this at all. Oh, Mikhail Bridges. That's what it was.

[Tas Melis]

Mikel Bridges was the big name coming back to Houston. Yeah. I'm kind of glad that Utah isn't selling. They sell Simone Fontecchio, but they did this last year when they were 500. They traded Mike Conley, Jared Vanderbilt, Malik Beasley and then they kind of fell off a little bit. I'm going to enjoy the race watching from afar as the Western Conference standings have a race through 11 right now. Even, even 12 in the Houston Rockets. It's going to be a fight because the jazz are 10th and then the warriors are just behind them. The Jazz are going to stay good now if they don't give up big parts here of their deal.

[JE Skeets]

Okay, well, 20 minutes.

[Tas Melis]

They traded Ochai Abaji and Kelly Olenyk. Hold on, I take that back. But Kelly Olenyk is a decent part. Ochi has not been playing a lot for them anyways. I think they should still be okay. That's all I got to say. Okay, yeah, let's move on.

[JE Skeets]

Well, we're going to take a break because we got 20 minutes here before the actual 3pm Trade deadline buzzer. But we're going to stick around for a good 30 minutes to an hour after that. Trades sometimes trickle in. You wonder though, like, are we sort of done? Because they really did come. Like we've had deadlines before where all of this slop, all of these names would have come in like a 10 minute window and I'm like, oh, what's going on? But they came like in this weird like every 10, 15 minutes. It felt like there was like a new sort of minor trade. So who knows, maybe there's some still left out there. But we'll take a break and when we come back, we'll either address the new deals or some of the ones from this morning. Don't go anywhere. All right. We are still here. 2024 NBA Trade Deadline Special. Thanks everybody joining us live on YouTube. Hit the like button if you haven't subscribe, if you haven't done that. We're live every day at 10am Eastern here from the Classic Factory. I like this tweet from Trey about an hour ago. Who he play for type of trade deadline. Would a casual fan know any player traded so far? Today you said Gordon Hayward. Maybe.

[Tas Melis]

Today. Today no one would know Gordon Hayward, the casual fan. Yeah, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, I mean some suggested Buddy Healed as a knowable name.

[JE Skeets]

Wow.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, sure, it depends on which NCAA tournament you watched, right? Yeah, yeah, he had a great, a couple of great games, I think. And of course Gordon went to the championship game. But this is sickos. Only at this point.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, it is, it is. And we can't really be all that shocked by it when you consider some of the bigger deals. Not that they were the biggest names in the world, but like the Raptors doing all their moves early.

[Trey Kirby]

Household names like OG Anunoby and Pascal Siakam were dealt weeks ago.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, I know you said that. Tongue in cheek. At least Siakam is an all NBA Canadian household name. That's true. That's true. Very true. But today, yeah, sort of.

[Tas Melis]

Buddy, does everybody know Kelly Olenek is Canadian from Kamloops, bc?

[JE Skeets]

No, not many people know. I was wondering, you said earlier on our morning podcast, Abagi, one of the most handsome men in the NBA paired with Kelly Olenek, Maybe on the other end of the spectrum. And I could say that as an ugly Canadian, actually.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[JE Skeets]

But you know, that's a weird dynamic, those two. Mr. Handsome and Mr. Horse, Mr. Eddie, Mr. Ed, if you will. But anyway, that's what the Raptor's got. Sorry, what are you going to say?

[Tas Melis]

No, I got nothing interesting. I was going to say I was watching with my wife a couple weeks ago and she saw Kelly Olenk with his headband and the hair flowing. And she said, what's wrong with his hair? And I said, what do you mean, what's wrong with his hair? That's how he wears his hair. She said, no, no, that's not something. Something is wrong with his headband combo with his hair. I said, come on. He said, canadian. He's a hockey boy. He has long hair.

[JE Skeets]

The hockey look, for sure. Yeah. BC guy. So what's your answer to no? The biggest.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, the biggest name.

[JE Skeets]

Biggest name traded today.

[Tas Melis]

We've said them all. I guess it's got. I don't think. I don't think casual fans know. Unless you're Bermudian, maybe, you know, buddy healed. That's about it. I don't think so. The answer is, oh, he's from the Bahamas. My bad.

[JE Skeets]

Is the answer Seth Curry? Because people would maybe think it's Steph Curry.

[Trey Kirby]

There we go.

[JE Skeets]

Did you say Steph Curry got traded? No, no, no.

[Trey Kirby]

Seth Curry.

[JE Skeets]

He has a brother. Yeah, it might be that.

[Tas Melis]

Well, I do have a tweet. There may be something else happening here. This is a tweet from Harrison Fagan, who said that Woj says on ESPN that the Hawks and Raptors are still discussing Dejounte Murray and Bruce Brown deals, respectively. Somebody responded to Harrison Fagan's tweet for each other. And then Harrison Fagan said, I don't think so.

[JE Skeets]

Okay?

[Tas Melis]

Lol.

[JE Skeets]

So the Hawks are still exploring Dejounte Murray trades. The Raptors are still exploring Bruce Brown trades.

[Tas Melis]

We have 14 minutes remaining.

[JE Skeets]

But the spurs are trading Doug McDermott to the Pacers. You know what? It's a big day for white guys in the NBA too, man. White guys are being dealt like crazy today. There's so Many.

[Tas Melis]

There's a lot going on.

[Trey Kirby]

Where's Luca going?

[JE Skeets]

Wow. Wow. Yeah, we've had. Well, there was a bunch involved in the Knicks deal there to the Pistons. We had Gordon Good Gord himself. Now, Dougie, does anyone have an immediate reaction to Doug McDermott going to the Pacers?

[Trey Kirby]

I got a little bit of reaction for you, Skeets. It actually plays well with the trade. We were maybe going to talk about Buddy Heald going to the Sixers from the Pacers, because since it happened, I've kind of been thinking, why would the Pacers do this? They shoot threes. Buddy Heald's a three point shooter. Replacement Doug McDermott, he's not as good as Buddy. No, but he's gonna do the same thing. Catch the ball and shoot it as soon as he gets it. And they need a guy who's just gonna be a laser because Nemhard isn't a great outside shooter. So they want to keep some three point marksmanship around, I imagine. And if Buddy's out of the picture, get Doug off the bench shooting some threes.

[JE Skeets]

Right. And the idea that Buddy's an expiring deal and maybe they don't want to be the one giving him a contract, get something in return, but they get a little replacement shooter here.

[Tas Melis]

And Buddy had permanently gone to the bench with the Pacers since the Siakam acquisition and since Neesmith has been awesome, it's been a different team with Halliburton and Nismith. And the. The third guy there to pair with Siakam and Turner has sometimes been nem hard, sometimes they change it up, sometimes they throw in a little Buddy in there. But they also are going to play Bendick Matheran a lot coming off the bench. So they've got a lot of guys. I'm excited to see how this Pacer team finally gets some minutes together because Halpern has been injured even since they got Siakam, so he's been playing some. This team is good. And Dougie, he won't complain about minutes. Like Buddy, I think did a little bit.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah. I mean, Doug McDermott, yeah. Barely playing for the spurs as it is, like 15 minutes a game. Still shoots the ball great. 44% from deep on nearly four attempts per game in 15 minutes. Obviously lets it fly when he's out there. That's his role.

[Tas Melis]

So, yeah, again, spurs pop, don't play some guys. Davante Graham, get him out there. That guy can shoot somebody. Acquired Devonte Graham. Like, they didn't start Jones, they didn't start Their backcourt like they should have at the beginning. Beginning of the lineup.

[JE Skeets]

And speaking of three point shooters, I think we learned today the final two guys in the three point contest over All Star weekend. It is Karl Anthony Towns. He's going to get a chance to defend from two years ago. And then Trae Young is the other name that's gonna be in that contest. Just got named an All Star, of course. So, yeah, those are the final two. It's pretty good field. When you add those two more, you add two more All Stars to it.

[Trey Kirby]

A lot of All Stars.

[JE Skeets]

Not bad at all.

[Trey Kirby]

And you know, Trae Young's got starry range.

[JE Skeets]

Ooh, that's right.

[Trey Kirby]

This is true starry range.

[JE Skeets]

I also believe Jeremy Sohan is replacing Shaden Sharpe in the Rising Stars game. Do you have a take on that? I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

[Tas Melis]

He's the starting point guard for the San Antonio spurs for 30 games, but then they took him out of that spot. So, yeah, Trey Jones. Hey, you can start now.

[JE Skeets]

Before we get into the ones we've already talked about this morning, what's the biggest, like, name that hasn't been dealt yet? With 11 minutes to go, that's like, most shocking from Woj.

[Trey Kirby]

The Atlanta Hawks are keeping guard Dejounte Murray. No trade.

[JE Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

They've been too good recently. We think we're gonna be good.

[JE Skeets]

Clay won four in a row, right?

[Tas Melis]

They did.

[JE Skeets]

That's right. Bad timing for us. You know, sickos that just want trades. It's like, oh, the Hawks are figuring it out. I mean, that just means, like, nobody had anything good to offer. Like, they really weren't even getting a second round. Excuse me, a second first round pick.

[Trey Kirby]

I listened to a few podcasts today that said maybe they would be able to find a first round pick. And I don't think that's enough to get back for Dejounte Murray. We talked about the Jazz. They allegedly made an offer and the Lakers allegedly made an offer that included, as one of their young guys, Jalen Hood Schiffino. And it's like, if the Hawks were really into Jalen Hood Schiffino, they would have drafted him when they drafted Kobe Bufkin, but they took Kobe Buffkin instead. So apparently not enough interest in Dejounte Murray, which to me is not surprising. Like, he's good, but you're not giving up three first round picks for Dejounte Murray. Unless you're the Hawks two years ago.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, maybe I'm buying the Hawks juice right now, but since DeAndre Hunter has come back and I'm buying the juice. I mean, for him to get a helper on the perimeter because people are questioning, oh, dejante Murray, you need. You need defense. Besides, besides Trey Young beside him and Dejante Murray hasn't been fantastic. But since DeAndre Hunter came back, the Hawks are okay. They obviously won four in a row there and then they. They're allowed to lose to the Clippers. They're allowed to lose to the Celtics. Those are their last two losses. Yeah, they're good, I guess. I'm. I'm buying in. I'm buying in.

[JE Skeets]

We've got some more slop here. Some minor trades. So the Doug McDermott going to Indiana. Well, the Pacers were trading Marcus Morris, who they just got in the Buddy Heel deal from earlier today, and a second round pick in cash to the spurs for Doug. That's what's making that deal go down.

[Trey Kirby]

Marcus Morris, you said?

[JE Skeets]

That's right.

[Trey Kirby]

Cool.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I wonder if I get the key to the city.

[JE Skeets]

San Antonio and the Milwaukee Bucks are trading Robin Lopez to the Sacramento Kings. He's expected to be waived and become a free agent. This is what Woj is tweeting. So Robin Lopez will not be sitting on the corner by the bench there for the Milwaukee Bucks anymore.

[Tas Melis]

They had a pair of bros, Thanacio de Gumpo and Giannis and Robin and Brook. Why are they getting rid of him? Is that a financial.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah. The Bucks are sending cash in the deal to Sacramento. We're going to need Hollinger to explain why in hell they're doing this one. It's all financial reasons.

[Tas Melis]

Apron. An apron that they need to get under.

[Trey Kirby]

And they probably also create a roster spot so they can get a guy on the buyout market who maybe fits their team a little bit better than Robin Lopez since she hasn't been playing all that much. And maybe Lopez becomes a Philadelphia 76er. They need a backup big, I kind of think with a beat out. So I don't know.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, that's true. Could slot into that. Well, while we wait on any other minor deals here or big ones. Not likely. Yeah, the Sixers did trade Buddy Hield or trade four. Excuse me, Buddy Hield from Indiana again. If you want to go check out our morning show where we reacted to Wednesday's trades. Those three that you know, again, we're minor with Tillman going to the Celtics and stuff like that. We did this at 10am Eastern. It's in your podcast feed. It's obviously on YouTube. And then while we were doing that show. A lot of trades were coming in and one of them was again Buddy Heald going to Philly for Morris and Cork Maz and second round picks. Any new thoughts on this? As we had some more hours to digest it with the with Philly getting.

[Tas Melis]

Buddy, I said that he'd be coming off the bench. I know people got all up in the comments and said come on, he's going to be starting for this team. I'm not so sure about that just because they are. They've got Tobias Harris obviously going to start alongside Maxi and I think they start more guys that know their role like a Nikola Batum or that type of player over Buddy. But yeah, other than that, other than me calling him Bahamian, calling him a Bermudian, you know that I got no new facts. I got no new facts for Buddy Hield.

[Trey Kirby]

I do think he'll start. They are currently 27th and three point makes per game. Buddy Hield is a three point shooter and talking about knowing your role, that's all he does is shoot three so I think he knows what's up for that. So I think that they will probably tilt a little offensively within beads 35 points per game. Missing for the next however many weeks he probably gets starts over like Kelly Oubre and Dante Melton I guess has been starting quite a bit for them as well.

[JE Skeets]

Buddy Healed, never played in a playoff game. Sort of funny. Been around for a while but was with the Pelicans when he was drafted and then traded in his first year to the Sacramento Kings and they had the futility still running there where they couldn't make the postseason. Obviously made his way to the Indiana Pacers and you know, he hasn't been in those games in a playoff game for them either. So he's going to likely have his first playoff game with the Philadelphia 76ers unless they slip into the play in and then, you know, things go bad. Maybe Embiid doesn't come back, but we might see Buddy Healed in a playoff series. Another one from this morning? Yeah, we talked about this already a little bit, but it was the Raptors, you know, fulfilling Cancon requirements, getting Kelly Olenek and Ochay Abaji for Otto Porter Jr. Carol Lewis Jr. A couple juniors there and then that late 2021, 24, excuse me, first round pick and it's like the least favorable of OKC, Lac Hou and UTA. So see if anybody's awake trying to keep you on your toes.

[Tas Melis]

Oh yeah, and then this news from our man Shamshiranya here regarding the Spencer Dinwiddie trade for Dennis Schroeder that happened to avoid a $1.5 million upcoming contract bonus for games played. The Toronto Raptors are planning to waive Spencer Din.

[JE Skeets]

Okay. Okay, that was quick.

[Tas Melis]

That was a quick run for Spencer.

[JE Skeets]

D. Man, I just bought his jersey and I didn't get insurance with my American Express.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, they got. They must have plans for free agency in that they give up Schroeder, who has contract next season to get an expiring contract in Spencer.

[JE Skeets]

Who does Messiah have his eye on in free agency?

[Trey Kirby]

Quickly gotta pay, right?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, Quickly has to be paid.

[Trey Kirby]

Linux likely gets paid.

[JE Skeets]

Yes. Yes.

[Tas Melis]

Maybe.

[Trey Kirby]

Who else?

[JE Skeets]

Who's the big free agents?

[Tas Melis]

Bring back Siakam. No.

[JE Skeets]

Harris. Oh, God.

[Trey Kirby]

He's not there on the list for free agents.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it's not. It's not big names. No, no.

[JE Skeets]

That's why it's all about pre agency, man. All right.

[Trey Kirby]

I did see Alex Spears talking about that pick that the Raptors traded. He says nobody wants this pick. It's gone from Oklahoma City to Denver to Indiana to Toronto to Utah in the span of eight months. Nobody really wants to pick like 25 through 30 in this draft.

[JE Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

But I hope whoever it is becomes a Hall of Famer.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, they'll use it as, like, inspiration.

[Trey Kirby]

They didn't even want to pick me.

[JE Skeets]

They didn't even want my pick.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Now I'm searching the 2024 free agency list. They want Paul George's podcast live in Toronto. Podcast P. Coming to Toronto. No, he has an option. Yeah, I'm sure he'll take that and hang out with the Clippers. Otherwise. Yeah, it's. It's an interesting crop here. Demar coming back. Sorry. Let's get off this list. Let's get off this list.

[JE Skeets]

Another minor deal. Minor deal here. As we approach the deadline buzzer, 76ers are trading Jaden Springer to the Celtics for a second round pick. I should have. I should have said for what? And you guys would have said it. Second round pick. Yeah. Springer going to Boston.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. The Celtics have wanted help with their bench because it's. It's Peyton Pritchard. And then there's a. There's a Hauser in there coming to fire off threes. They obviously went and got some big man help and got Xavier Tillman today, which makes a heck of a lot of sense. And this is along those lines. They. They can't go get a big name. There was some. Some Gordon Hayward chatter or to go Back and get Daniel Gallinari. James Burger has been all right for the 76ers. I, I, no, no, no.

[Trey Kirby]

He's good at defense. Yeah, he's very athletic and good defense.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, he's shooting. Yeah, he's shooting a cool 21 from deep and 39 from the floor. Offensively, a very, very bad year. But yeah, a stocky, you know, defensive minded guard, which is like, this isn't going to change anything. Like, this is a classic in case somebody gets injured. Sure.

[Trey Kirby]

Energy.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah, he's an energy guy, right?

[Trey Kirby]

G League finals MVP last season as well.

[Tas Melis]

That's where I'm going.

[JE Skeets]

He's gonna bring it in practice.

[Trey Kirby]

He's got to bring it in practice. Kevin Peyton Pritchard going out.

[JE Skeets]

Make those guys better in the locker room. All it took was a second round pick. Let's just go back to one of the morning deals because we knew a little bit more about it now. It was good gourd almighty Gordon Hayward going to okc. And in exchange, the Hornets got Trey Mann, Mecic, Bertons and draft compensation. So, Mecic, we didn't know this morning when this deal went down. I'm sure that hasn't changed your opinions on it too much. You liked it for like what the Hornets were doing, obviously cashing in on Hayward. You like that pick. I'm getting that. And then, you know, Hayward, as this vet here joining a very young Thunder team, we may have him at the top of all the guys traded. He might be at the top of the. Hey, that guy might win you a quarter in a playoff game and potentially series for sure. You know, in fact, let me put you on the spot. Give me your top three of all the guys traded over the last two days. I'm counting Wednesday if you want. Who's your top three? Hey, this guy could win us five to ten minutes of a playoff game.

[Trey Kirby]

New number one for me is Buddy Heald.

[JE Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

The guy can catch fire, catch fire. Can absolutely catch fire.

[Tas Melis]

I'm going boy. And McDonald's is my number.

[JE Skeets]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Put him in. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

He ends four, he ends quarter, he ends four, he ends games. As the guy, he's on distance dog. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He still games.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, but he's good at it.

[JE Skeets]

Okay, so you go, you do yours.

[Trey Kirby]

That's a top three, I think. Hayward, Bogdanovich and Buddy. Heel.

[JE Skeets]

Okay, okay.

[Tas Melis]

Got some guys who can shoot, that's for sure.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. Do you have any other thoughts on this? On this Thunder acquiring Hayward though? TK Nothing.

[Tas Melis]

What is this? Draft Compensation. We don't know what is it?

[Trey Kirby]

Have we seen this draft compensation yet?

[JE Skeets]

I'll tell you what it couple second rounds.

[Trey Kirby]

Let me check with schleck dog over here. Oh no. Boston Celtics are trading Delano Banton to the Portland Trailblazers for a second round pick. Oh, heavily protected second round pick.

[JE Skeets]

We're going in now buddy. Holy. Now we're protecting the second round picks. Oh yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Why isn't he going back to Toronto? He's freaking Canadian.

[JE Skeets]

He's Canadian. I know.

[Tas Melis]

Come on Delano. Yeah this the draft compensation to go along with Trey man is a good get for the Hornets just to have him around. Why the heck not? Vasiliye Micic just a fun name to say and so is Davis Bertans. Micic was actually decent for them for the Thunder when he did play.

[JE Skeets]

We have hit the 3 o' clock Eastern Time NBA trade deadline buzzer. It is over now. Trades will trickle in from time to time but Wo's tweets Raptors are keeping Bruce Brown Jr. See he included the junior. Some don't. Interesting. Yeah. Bruce Cass. You've been saying it. You thought I don't think they're going to trade him and that they're going to keep them. Now do you think that moving forward they're picking up the team option and Bruce Brown on the roster next year or.

[Tas Melis]

That's a great question. Yeah. Making a heck of a lot of money for a team that's bad and in that world he's an option for $23 million. It's a little surprising. It just feels like the Raps think they're good and they think that quickly. And Barrett and Barnes mainly with a sprinkled with a little bit of purdle should be winning a lot of games. So that's. That's the only time that Bruce Brown really makes a lot of sense as a complimentary guy to a good team like he was. I'm going to say it on the Nuggets. No, this Raps team ain't winning a championship like the Nuggets. But that's. That's what Messiah feels like. Feels like what Messiah is feeling is that this team is really, really good if they're keeping Bruce for that reason. But I'm not sure he stays long. I'm not sure.

[Trey Kirby]

I'm not sure they could trade him at summertime.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

When like I'm just. I know the Lakers will have more picks available to them during the summer but apparently they want to chase some bigger names. No surprise. But if the first round pick isn't there. Messiah's just hoping that it will be the next time around.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah. And Woj has sort of added to that. Bruce Brown Tweet that the $23 million team option on Brown's 24, 25 contract gives the Raptors a lot of options in the offseason. Exactly what you just guys just said. Chris Haynes is saying the Bulls are keeping Andre Drummond. I guess the Bulls are keeping everyone. Real quiet day from Chicago. This guy is pumped. He's got.

[Trey Kirby]

He's got my Bull talks tickets during this and guess What? It's a 910 play in preview, baby.

[JE Skeets]

So the Bulls, surprise, surprise.

[Trey Kirby]

They're literally back. Same guys.

[JE Skeets]

They are back. No one leaving. And then. Yeah. A couple other teams obviously sit in the sun. Lakers not doing a move that we know of. We thought they would be a team that was desperate to shake things up. LeBron with his hourglass emojis. How he's gonna react now. You know, the warriors had been but they started to figure things out and Kerr says now we got enough guys. So it's come and gone, man. That's it. Trade deadline, that's it. It's over.

[Trey Kirby]

We gotta see if no more tricklers.

[JE Skeets]

I mean there might be a trickle in but like I'm always convinced we're not getting a big juicy, you know, landscape shifting sort of deal after the buzzer. It's always like so and so was waived and oh yeah. Second round pick maybe for this end of the bench guy at most. Probably not.

[Tas Melis]

No. Yeah. As far as just. Just flying through again. I just want to refill free agency day here. Not free agency. Trade deadline day here. I do like that the Minnesota Turbos went and got a point guard and Monty Morris to help them out. He is going to be good. They fall apart in fourth quarters. The ranking in fourth quarter's offense is. Is poor. It actually is very, very one of the worst. They're bad at obviously turning the ball over. They become stagnant. They need a point guard to help Mike Conley. They need just to move that thing a lot more. They just need Mike Conley to be fresh. They've got a tough schedule here the rest of the way with a lot of back to backs. So it's a smart move.

[JE Skeets]

Well, they're trickling in. Trickling. Yeah. The warriors are trading Corey Joseph to the Pacers Canada. Oh, for what? Probably a second round pick. We don't know right now that's gonna.

[Trey Kirby]

Be a second round.

[JE Skeets]

You know that might be a protected.

[Trey Kirby]

You Better have a protected second pick, top 55, I'm thinking.

[JE Skeets]

But yeah, you're right. The Pacers. Pacers are trying to be. Trying to be the Raps here. Trying to be Team Canada. Man, they got. That's their third guy. Yeah, third guy. They got Mathurin, they got Nemhard. Now they got Corey, used to have Brissette.

[Trey Kirby]

And they got Stockham, who.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, he counts. Yeah, sure.

[Trey Kirby]

Honorary Canadian.

[JE Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

He used to have Duarte. An honorary Canadian.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, that's right. They like to get their Canadians in there.

[Tas Melis]

Kojo.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah. Okay. You don't need. I don't need it.

[Tas Melis]

We're not going.

[JE Skeets]

I don't need 10 minutes on that. Let me quickly recap everything to the best of my abilities for maybe somebody just joining us live right now on YouTube. The mavs making some deals here today. They went and got PJ Washington, the Chevy Trax himself from the Hornets. It cost them Grant Williams and Seth Curry and a top two protected 27 first round pick. The Mavs also got Daniel Gafford and his sexy eyes. We're always talking about Al Horford's eyes and not enough about Gafford's.

[Trey Kirby]

You're so right.

[JE Skeets]

Beautiful eyes on that guy.

[Trey Kirby]

Great eyes.

[JE Skeets]

Yes.

[Trey Kirby]

And top three handsome guys. He's up there with a baji.

[JE Skeets]

He's right there. So Gafford gives them at least on the Wizards he put up good points, you know, 11, 8, 2.2 blocks per game. So he goes to Dallas as a backup big there, probably behind Lively. That cost them Rashawn Homes. So there was swapping of big men there. The Knicks, now the guys loved it here, especially Tass Bogdanovich and Burks going to New York. Quinton Grimes, he's gone. He goes to Detroit, Fournier Flynn, Archie Diacono and two future second round picks. But the Knicks, you know, shoring up sort of their roster maybe because of the injuries to some of their key guys. But yeah, adding a shooter, a couple shooters I should say because Burks can catch fired too. To Tibbs roster there. The Raptors, man, it's perplexing, it's weird, but they traded Dennis Schroeder to the Nets for Dinwiddie and then waved Dinwiddie. Thaddeus Young also went back to Brooklyn. They earlier in the day did Kelly Olenek have him Abaji in sending out Kiera Lewis, Otto Porter and a pick there. The Suns got Royce o' Neill and David the Body Roddy in a three way deal that we're still trying to figure out. But Watanabe going to the Grizzlies, a couple guys going to the Nets. But Royce o' Neil, we thought he would be moved. There was reports from the New York Post this morning. I saw that they could have traded them last deadline for two first round picks. Tori and Finney Smith. No, no. Royce o' Neill. That's what they said. That's what they said. That's what it said in the Post.

[Tas Melis]

It seemed like a lot.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't believe it.

[Tas Melis]

When they gave up a first round pick from to get him from Utah. Didn't really make a ton of sense.

[JE Skeets]

I know, I know, I know. I'm just telling you what the Post said. But anyway, he goes to the Suns. They like they just took. They took four guys at the end of their roster and said, well give us these other two guys. We think they're going to like actually contribute. Especially Royce o' Neill and I think he will be part of the top eight, top seven rotation. Might end some games for them alongside their big three. Pat Bev himself announced that he was going to the Milwaukee Bucks. That dog is gonna go play with Giannis and Dame. Oh man. They had friction in the past. It's okay. Now he's on my team now he's my guy.

[Trey Kirby]

Patrick Beverley and Bobby Portis playing together, that's gonna be awesome. That team's going forehead to forehead with.

[JE Skeets]

Somebody and then Sanassi's like he's going to be screaming off the bench trying to.

[Trey Kirby]

We got to have a Pacers buck series. They're angry at each other. Now you're adding these two guys.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, good point.

[Tas Melis]

So many dogs. Is Doc a veterinarian? First dog. Bad, bad Doc. Joke buddy.

[JE Skeets]

Healed leaves the Pacers. He goes to Philadelphia. That is one that happened earlier today. Gordon Hayward going to okc. They're taking some draft compensation. Trey Mann, the Hornets are taking a flyer on him. And then. Yeah, I already said the Kelly Olenek Abaji won. And then yesterday, yeah, Tillman to the Celtics. I think he will be in the running because of his defense. For a guy that will like change a game in a playoff series, in the right matchup, that defense will cause somebody a headache and give them nightmares. So he did that. And then what were the other ones yesterday? They were pretty small. Oh yeah. Monty Morris, you said. And Fontechio. Fontechio. Simone Fontechio. What a name, baby. Going to the Pistons. I think I bout hit it all. I know there's some other little tiny slop.

[Tas Melis]

There's Tiny slop.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, I have never seen slops smaller than this skates. Law Murray from the Athletic Sweets. There's a Clippers trade to Denver, cash to LA. Draft rights to center Ishmael Kamagate, a 2022 second round pick.

[JE Skeets]

Can you come again on Kamagate?

[Trey Kirby]

K a M a G a T E. All right, that is a transaction.

[JE Skeets]

That is what we call it.

[Trey Kirby]

That is a true cigar.

[JE Skeets]

Wow, I thought you were gonna say, like, Bulmer is throwing in the toilet rights to eight toilets in the new Intuit Dome or something like that. Okay, cash for rights.

[Tas Melis]

I'm just watching this clip. Apparently, Ochay Baji went to Kansas along with his new teammate, Grady Dick. Also went to Kansas. Yeah, Grady Dick apparently checked into his room in his dorm and there was a note from Ochay Abaji which said, whoever takes over this room, be great in the heart.

[JE Skeets]

Wow.

[Tas Melis]

Right in the heart. Not in the pants or the Dick. Right in the heart. And it helped him. It helped him.

[JE Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

He loves it. He's crying. Everybody's gonna love Ochaibaji. On the Toronto.

[JE Skeets]

Here comes Raptors propaganda. You know what? Let's take a quick break. We're not going anywhere. It'll be a quick break and then we'll come back and, I don't know, twiddle our thumbs a little bit.

[Trey Kirby]

Don't go anywhere.

[JE Skeets]

Jake Frisbee in the Stream team. He asked. Well, should I get back to work? No, Jake, we're just getting started here because I want to talk about teams that didn't make a trade who are going to be the teams on people's losers of the deadline for the moves they didn't make. That's what I want to know. Tk who had you shaking your head at like, come on, you didn't even trade for a second round pick.

[Trey Kirby]

For a guy no one's ever heard of. The stats are already coming out. Bulls haven't made a trade involving a player since August 2021.

[Tas Melis]

What?

[Trey Kirby]

That's a long time. Wow, that is a long time. But, I mean, you see, the results speak for themselves.

[JE Skeets]

Who was it dude, though?

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, that was like the DeRozan summer.

[JE Skeets]

Oh, okay. Yeah, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

DeRozan. Alonzo Caruso, I guess, was a free agent signing.

[JE Skeets]

So are you pissed as a Bulls fan that they did sort of stand pat here and didn't, you know, either move to Rosen or even a Drummond or I guess a Caruso if you were selling high on him? I mean, he's like the hottest name in the market or Not.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't expect him to make a move. Like I thought they would trade Drummond. I'll say I thought they would trade Drummond. His last game was like, it felt like a going away party for him. Everywhere is going nuts in the United Center. He's celebrating after every single basket and played a great game. He's on an expiring contract and he help a lot of teams.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

But the Bulls thought they hit on something with Vuch and Drummond playing alongside each other. They were just completely rolled over. The first seeded Minnesota Timberwolves playing their double big lineup. So maybe it'll work. Also like the thing with Caruso is. Yeah, he would be very valuable on any contending team. Trading him now while he's still got a year left on his deal next season would have been smart because the return will be better. We just saw that with Bojan Bogdanovic going for basically a second round pick this year when maybe he would have went for firsts last year. But also Caruso is a fan favorite, super awesome to watch and a great culture guy to have around. So I can understand wanting to keep him. This is a team that does not want to be bad after the debacle that was the Jim Boylan era. They just don't want to go back there right now. Especially when you see all the players from that set of teams go to other teams and get some good coaching and look pretty solid. I'm talking about Lowry market and Chris Dunn specifically. Throw Daniel Gafford in if you want. But I don't know, it's. It's crazy to just not do anything.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Like, like that. Like literally what the Suns are doing. They didn't really make that big of moves. Right. But they're just churning the back end of your roster to mix things up. And I would like to see the Bulls do something right.

[Tas Melis]

Sure feels like Crusoe will be back there next year. There's chance that they just buy out Andre Drummond for a team. Like you just mentioned, there are a lot of teams out there that could use a big. Yeah, maybe the Bulls just want to save money and let Drummond go instead of bringing him back next season. But they have lots of faith in Alex Caruso. For instance. There's. There's teams that need a lot of help at the bottom of their roster. Absolutely. Anthony Slater of the Athletic tweeting that the warriors trading Corey Joseph to the Pacers is for tax money and a Roster spot. Yeah, they probably need a big. Draymond Green is starting at the spot. They need a big, big. Andre Drummond would obviously fit. Dwight Howard is out there somewhere in a big. Yeah, he was in Asia. I mean, he, he looks decent. And just, just to help out against Nikola Jokic. If you get him in in a series, that's just a bang against him. I mean, we saw Austin Rivers and John Wall workout. What was it in December they had that private workout. I'm sure in Austin, Rivers could help out as a 3 and D guy somewhere, but especially the bigs. The bigs are definitely going to be grabbed over the next month or so. We got to do a live show for the buyouts for the buyout season. For the buyout season.

[JE Skeets]

Well, I'll tell you one guy who sounds like will not be a potential buyout guy. Clippers forward P.J. tucker. He will not request a buyout, says Chris Haynes, and he's going to remain with the team for the duration of the season after trade attempts fell short. So they were trying to find, I believe, a second round pick probably for PJ Tucker and couldn't. And so he's gonna, he's like, probably looking around like, okay, maybe I can win a title here.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, there's lots of guys, I think that the team, the GMs were trying to trade, P.J. tucker, probably Andre Drummond. It's gotta be others.

[JE Skeets]

Who am I missing, like, on that level?

[Tas Melis]

Well, any level. Any level. I accept any level.

[JE Skeets]

I think the shocking one is the Hawks not doing anything here or at least not moving to Jaunte Murray. I'm fascinated to know. I hope we get leaks of like, what were the Pelicans offering? Like, we might find out and be like, yeah, good move. Don't, don't trade them for that. But you know, at one point or what point? Like, is Herb Jones included? Is Dyson Daniels included? I mean, I would assume JV for contract reasons would have been, is it just one pick and they. There's. They're stuck on that and they won't go more. I like, I'm just curious. And then you're left going, ooh, are they going to regret just not having pivoted? The Hawks are not good. I know they won some games where they're not good. 22 and 29. That's a very disappointing season for a team is trying to be good with obviously an all star player in Trae Young and a borderline all star guy in dejante Murray. I mean, it's just bad so that one I just can't wait to find out. Maybe we find out details about it and the Lakers side of things and all that.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, the only things that I've seen so far about the Pelicans, specifically with the dejounte Murray, was that we talked about it earlier. The Pelicans were also interested in a congu, which seems like a non starter on that side. But then apparently reports during the day today said that the Hawks were also asking for Herb Jones from the Pelicans, which seems like kind of the exact same going the other way. The Pelicans are like, no way. We like Herb Jones. So the, the deals weren't there. But yeah, Hawks didn't make a move, a big move. Bulls didn't make a move. Lakers, of course, warriors didn't really do much. I mean they traded Corey Joseph away. That could be a Robin Lopez landing spot if he gets bought out by the King.

[Tas Melis]

Sure. Yeah. The Magic also didn't make a move.

[JE Skeets]

Heat, the Heat have already made, you know, they did the Terry Rose. Yeah, and that's the thing. Some of these teams had done moves prior, but when you look like, I guess it feels like more moves in a way were coming from the Eastern Conference or at least these teams at the top sort of, you know, trying to like add a piece or two. I'm talking about the Celtics with Tillman, the Bucks obviously getting Pat Bev, the Knicks making sort of one of the bigger deals, at least in terms of the players moving. Sixers did a couple, Pacers did a couple. I guess the Cavs are a team that, you know, we had known the last couple days they had talked about like JB Biggerstaff was like, no, I think we got a good team here. We like who we got. We're not going to be making anything. And, and they held Pat. Otherwise it felt like more were coming. But then you look at, I guess Hayward going to the Thunder, Morris going to the Wolves. Okay, the Nuggets, I'm not counting that one. Or the Clippers really. And then the Pels. Nothing, Kings, nothing. You know, Mavericks obviously the team in the top eight in the West. They were the one that were most active trying to improve their roster.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, we were pondering whether or not the Kings would try and go shore up the defense just to get somebody to work their butts off on that end because they, they just aren't there defensively giving up a lot of three point shots because they've fallen into play in tournament road. Here they're seventh in the Western Conference after last year's incredible year. So that was the. The kind of the question. Kuzma was a name that was out there. The Wizards also didn't make anything. Any giant. Giant moves. Obviously. They gave up Daniel Gafford.

[JE Skeets]

The Wizards are like, they're starting to break down, right?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. But why not trade Tyus Jones?

[JE Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

[Tas Melis]

Surprisingly, that one is surprising.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah. And then Kuzma we talked about. But maybe that's something that happens in the off season, which I think easily could.

[Tas Melis]

Yes, it could.

[JE Skeets]

Any other thoughts on. On the trade deadline? We'll stick around here. For everybody joining us on YouTube for, I don't know, 10 or 15 more minutes. I don't think much more is coming our way.

[Trey Kirby]

Crushing all these news breakers, you know.

[JE Skeets]

I guess Woj battling Shams today and Pat Bev was fun. I always wonder how a guy like Shams, like I think Shams, is doing what we're doing right now, or at least was during the afternoon. He's, like, live on his own show online, talking about these deals and then still trying to break the deals. But he got some of the bigger ones, I guess. But Pat Bev, man, the real. The real newsbreaker. Hope he wins an award.

[Trey Kirby]

I would say that was the most surprising trade for me.

[JE Skeets]

Pat Bev, Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Patrick Beverley. I just didn't have him, like, as a guy potentially to even be traded. It makes sense. Going to play for Doc Rivers, I think, but just Patrick Beverley seemed like part of the rotation in Philadelphia and.

[JE Skeets]

A Philly guy, I think surprising for me. And maybe because it's hitting. Getting close to home. What the Raptors did today was a little like, whoa, not trading Bruce Brown, but trading for Kelly Olenek Abaji and then trading for Dinwiddie. Like sending Schroeder out but then waving Dinwiddie. It's. It's a little strange. We joked here in the classic factory, our guys up there in Toronto, the Will Lou the Raptor show, they have Schroeder on, like, every week. This guy jumps on, and now he's gone. We thought, well, Dinwiddie take his spot on the pod? Nope. So now they. I just feel bad for them. They got a whole block now to fill every week. You know, we know from experience, every day there, you got to fill those blocks.

[Trey Kirby]

Bruce Brown, is he good on a podcast? I don't know.

[Tas Melis]

Feels like he'd be good.

[Trey Kirby]

I agree.

[Tas Melis]

I have no idea if he would be. But it is an interesting day in Toronto. In comes Kelly Olenek Ochay Abaji Spencer. Did we. Oh no, he's leaving. Out goes Dennis Schroeder, auto reporter junior Kyra Lewis and a late first round pick. They just really believe in. In quickly. And Barrett, I'm sure. And Barnes and a little portal. But the Philadelphia one, that's a, that's a really, really puzzling one because who is their backup point guard now? I mean, they're just campaign. Yeah. I don't know. I've been a game. I've been a campaign guy since he was with the Raptors.

[Trey Kirby]

That'll be your guy, man.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Kyle Lowry.

[Tas Melis]

Kyle Lowry, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He'll be their backup point guard.

[Tas Melis]

He has definitely got to move. He's. We got to be waiting until Kyle is released from the Charlotte Hornets. They gotta buy out. They gotta buy him out.

[JE Skeets]

Oh, we gotta wait. You mean live on the show.

[Trey Kirby]

We gotta stay on until Kyle Lowry's bought out.

[JE Skeets]

I mean, in thinking about it, there were only two deals over the last couple days here, including yesterday where a first round pick was moved. The Raptors were one of them because they traded that late first round pick, the least favorable of all those teams that going obviously to Utah. And then the PJ Washington one where Dallas sent a future top two protected pick to. To the Hornet. That's it. Right. Everything else was obviously players for players or a lot of second round picks. Unless I'm missing one.

[Tas Melis]

That's a good call.

[JE Skeets]

You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Because like even Siakam and OG weren't first round picks, right?

[JE Skeets]

Siakam was.

[Trey Kirby]

They got a first round pick for Siakam.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[JE Skeets]

They got like three, didn't they?

[Tas Melis]

Three lates.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

They're not probably one of them that they traded.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that was one of them. Yes, it absolutely was.

[Trey Kirby]

We did get a super chat from Mike pat that references first round picks.

[JE Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Dallas basically traded a 27 first round pick and 30 pick. Swap in the Grant Williams sign and trade for PJ Washington. That's horrible value. Knicks also won the deadline chip on the way. If we get healthy.

[JE Skeets]

There you go. You get that super chat in.

[Trey Kirby]

There you go.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, the Mavs put out a lot that we mentioned. You said two first round picks were traded today. The one pales in comparison to the other in that the one that the Raptors traded out. It's going to be late in the first round. This one that the Mavs gave up, it's only top two protected like one or two pick number one or two for PJ Washington. I'M not convinced that that was a great deal. Obviously, with Luca and Kyrie in the backcourt, they're going to be solid back there, but they're just trying to get better with Gafford taping it all together. Daniel Gafford and PJ Washington, obviously. Tbd. Tbd? Yeah, it was bad.

[Trey Kirby]

No, that's good. That was good.

[JE Skeets]

I. I mean, you're right. Who knows what that pick is and where it falls in 27. But we're also looking at two teams on like the most opposite ends of the timeline spectrum when it comes to like, hey, we need to compete. I'm talking like the Raptors and the pick they send out. And then we're talking about the Mavericks who have Luka. You gotta win now. You have Kyrie and Luka. You should win now. You should try and win now. I like those two players. Like, I like PJ Washington because I'm a big Chevy tracks guy and I like Daniel Gafford. They're just good players that I love the concept. Like, we just even saw with Lively, like, like what the difference he made as a rim, running big as the rook with Luka, Gafford, you know, can replicate a little bit of that. The Grant Williams part is the thing that sucked because I was convinced he was gonna be great. I loved it. I remember I was like, oh, that's a nice, nice addition there for them. And it just didn't work out. I mean, he played 47 games, started 33 of them, but Grant Williams gave them like eight and four and, you know, fine from three, like he shot 37%. But it just. For whatever reason, either his sort of personality or just his fit on the team, for whatever reason, it didn't work the way I thought it would. And so they quickly pivoted. They're like, well, PJ Washington, he's pretty similar and maybe he's better for us, so they'll move off of that. But yeah, you're right, the draft capital sucks that they ended up leaking in these moves.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I mean, they're trading away a lot of first round picks for guys who are like fifth starters.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

And that's a problem when you're trying to build a championship team around an MVP candidate. We'll see with Gafford and PJ Washington, neither of them was played on a good team in their entire career, so maybe they'll look good playing in a winning environment. Or maybe the lights will be too bright.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it's interesting just studying what the Mavs are doing year in and year out because last year they fell apart at the end of the season on purpose. And they got their hands on Derek Lively because of it in the draft. That's a great pick. Obviously that's worked out very well, but it's just fun analyzing them over and over. They make these decisions. They say, hey, Tyson Chandler, you're out of here. We're gonna. We're changing it up after we won the championship and then things went awry after that. Can't wait to watch.

[JE Skeets]

Mark Stein says the Mavericks will be among the teams pursuing Spencer Dinwiddie on the buyout market. Dinwiddie back to Dallas potentially, says Stein. Stein always locked in with Dallas in that market. He always knows what the Mavs are up to. So Dinwiddie.

[Trey Kirby]

Dinwiddie is going to be one of the hottest names on the buyout market. I do believe Pace or the Lakers are apparently going to be going after him too. He's from la. They could use a guard, but I mean, we got to tip our cap to d' Angelo Russell. He actually played well enough these past two weeks to not get traded.

[JE Skeets]

Survived.

[Trey Kirby]

That's amazing. That and Jonathan Kuminga telling Steve Kerr, you play me and I'll score you 20 points a game. And then doing it. These guys are like Babe Ruth calling their shot.

[JE Skeets]

I mean, Drummond to some extent too. That guy was playing amazingly.

[Trey Kirby]

I thought he was playing to leave, but yeah, now he's all backfired a little bit.

[JE Skeets]

Stink it up. All right, well, we can start wrapping up here pretty soon. We're gonna be back tomorrow at 10am Eastern for the Drop podcast. I'm sure we'll do sort of like a zoom out big picture winners and losers of the trade deadline. So if you have suggestions, let us know in the comments. Tweet @us O Dunks Inc. Make sure you subscribe, make sure you hit the like button. Make sure you leave us a five star rating and review. Jerome, did you have. I thought you were Jerome. I saw you grabbing your mic. You've been really busy. You've been really helpful sharing tweets. I thought you had something to say when you're grabbing your mic. But he doesn't. So.

[Tas Melis]

No, I was just in case.

[JE Skeets]

In case something came to me, but it came to me.

[Tas Melis]

I just had it ready.

[JE Skeets]

Am I crazy or did you grab your mic?

[Tas Melis]

No, no, I did grab my mic. You had it right.

[JE Skeets]

You had it right.

[Tas Melis]

I'm still processing what the Raptors are doing.

[JE Skeets]

Oh, that's what I'm doing.

[Tas Melis]

Right now.

[JE Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. Don't worry. They're gonna be on a lot of losers list tomorrow.

[Tas Melis]

We'll be puzzled still tomorrow morning. I'm sure we'll be puzzled.

[JE Skeets]

All right. Well, let's, let's call it there. Thanks, everybody, for joining us live for either this one or the show earlier or both of them. We appreciate it. And again, back tomorrow, 10:00am Eastern to, to talk about the winners and losers. There's a lot of games on tonight. Kobe Bryant's statue is being unveiled tonight. I saw Kelly Dwyer, I guess, writing the other day of like, there should be no games on deadline day, a part of it being, you know, there's a lot of moving parts. None of these guys will be playing for their hypothetical teams, their new teams tonight. It's an interesting concept. Maybe we can talk about it tomorrow in more detail. But until then, Cobra Road, you heard it here first.

[Trey Kirby]

Have a great time turn up.

[JE Skeets]

Love you guys.

[Trey Kirby]

Awesome.

[Tas Melis]

Thanks for joining us. Us. I just want to say thank you for sharing Trade deadline day, people.

[JE Skeets]

Brace the day, people.