NBA Trade Deadline Special | Kuminga-Porzingis Swap, Wolves Add Ayo Dosunmu, Coby White To Hornets

Summary

No Dunks: NBA Trade Deadline Special

Date: February 5, 2026
Hosts: Jay Skeets, Tas Melas, Trey Kirby, JD (super producer)
Episode Focus: Detailed and lively breakdown of the NBA Trade Deadline, with real-time reactions and analysis to the latest deals

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Episode Overview

The No Dunks crew spends over six hours live on NBA Trade Deadline Day, digging into the major headlines, breaking trades, and offering their takes on player moves and organizational strategies. The show’s signature energy is on full display, blending serious basketball analysis with the group’s trademark humor, casual banter, and insightful commentary. This episode covers blockbuster trades, team philosophies, the importance (or irrelevance) of second-round picks, and memorable moments around the league.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Kuminga–Porzingis Trade: Warriors & Hawks Swap Distressed Assets

(06:10–15:56)

• Trade Details:
  Golden State Warriors trade Jonathan Kuminga and Buddy Hield to Atlanta Hawks for Kristaps Porzingis.

• Warriors’ Perspective:

  • Porzingis is a big name, but health is a major concern. Only played 17 games this season, and his condition has been uncertain since last year’s Boston playoff run.
    • Tas Melas:

      "Let's not be in denial here. The guy has not been able to be himself for years... Maybe we can get six games out of him for the postseason. That’s the dream here." (06:23)

  • This move seems to close the door on using Kuminga as the centerpiece for a potential Giannis trade (though technically, the door is not entirely shut).
  • Warriors fans might hope for Porzingis to replicate his limited but impactful EuroBasket form, but realistically, it's "depressing" and about dumping negative contracts.

• Hawks’ Perspective:

  • Take a flyer on Kuminga, a once-promising young talent who never fully fit the Warriors’ system.
    • Jay Skeets:

      "Maybe the Hawks get like a flyer here on a really young guy in Kuming... you get at least some opportunity here, and we quickly find out, was it you or the system?" (13:10)

  • Kuminga has a team-friendly contract with a second-year option.
  • His starting prospects are unclear amidst a crowded roster of young, athletic wings.
    • Trey Kirby:

      "Welcome back to the bench, Jonathan Kuminga." (12:38)

  • The group jokes about Atlanta being obsessed with “long, athletic wings.”

• Summary:
  Both sides swap assets that have lost significant value; neither walks away a clear winner.

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2. The State of Second-Round Picks (32:24–34:52)

• Repeated deals involve bundles of second-round picks, prompting debate on their practical value.

• Skeets rants:

  • "I do not give a shit what these second round picks are. Stop wasting tweets about them, okay? I can't stand it." (33:19)

• Trey counters:

  • "You say that, but [Nikola] Jokic was a second round pick..." (33:26)

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3. Busy Bulls: Ayo Dosunmu, Coby White Moved in a Mini-Fire Sale

(25:15–28:35, 53:35–57:03)

• Ayo Dosunmu to Timberwolves (25:15)

  • Minnesota trades for Ayo Dosunmu and Julian Phillips (Bulls receive Rob Dillingham, Leonard Miller, and four seconds).
    • Trey Kirby:

      "This is great for the Timberwolves...they needed an upgrade at the guard positions...but it’s a terrible return for Ayo." (25:48, 27:10)

  • Bulls unhappy with their return—trading Ayo and Coby White for less than they could have previously.

• Coby White and Mike Conley Jr. to Hornets (53:35)

  • Bulls get Colin Sexton, Uzman Jang, and three future seconds.
    • Kirby:

      "Another sad one. Kobe and Ayo were both good development stories for the Bulls...This is good for the Hornets to get a guy like Kobe White who can play alongside LaMelo." (53:35)

• Gershon Yabusele swap:
  Minor move involving the Bulls, who stack up more guards and future flexibility.

• Bulls’ new roster is a revolving door:

  • The show runs through the new hodgepodge Bulls roster, marveling at its sheer number of guards.

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4. Lakers Land Luke 'Nard Dog' Kennard for Gabe Vincent

(35:15)

• A quick-hit deal yields more shooting for LA; Atlanta picks up a future pick and Gabe Vincent.
  • "Luke is taller than Gabe...A real three-point shooter." (36:02 – 36:32)

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5. Raptors' Moves: Minor Big Man Shuffles, Chris Paul Drama

(42:34–44:48, 57:10–61:46)

• Trace Jackson-Davis to Raptors:
  The Raptors get a low-cost backup big for a second-rounder.

  • Tas:

    "Defensively, he can alter some shots…Your Mo Bamba part two type of thing…but it’s a flyer." (43:40–45:21)

• Chris Paul Traded to Toronto (but won't play):

  • CP3 arrives in a salary dump, but will be waived or retraded, continuing the tradition of stars being traded to but never playing for Toronto.
    • Skeets:

      "Chris Paul is now the greatest player traded to the Raptors to never report to the team. So step aside Alonzo Mourning, Spencer Dinwiddie, Kenny Anderson." (61:25)

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6. Magic-Hornets: Tyus Jones on the Move (51:00–52:43)

• Tyus Jones goes to Charlotte for four second-round picks and cash.
  • Minor move for backup depth; Magic escape the tax.
  • Trey:

    "If Tyus Jones is your third string slash fourth string point guard, that's fine." (51:25)

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7. Jazz, Cavs, Pelicans, Mavericks, Wizards: Other Notable Moves

• Lonzo Ball Waived:
  Cavs cut bait and open a roster spot.

  • Tas:

    "Sometimes you just go hard too early and too fast...it's time, it's time to cut the cord." (63:06)

• Anthony Davis to the Wizards:
  Previously discussed in their emergency pod, but revisited here.

  • Trey:

    "No doubt the Wizards got the best player…an impact maker when he plays…you can't win 20 games forever." (66:53)

  • Tas:

    "I don't think the Wizards front office is tied to a massive AD extension at all...this is a trial." (68:42)

  • Skeets:

    "Trey Young and Anthony Davis... they just got them for honestly, next to nothing." (71:11)

• Mavericks Future:
  Eyes turning to the Cooper Flagg era; veterans like Klay Thompson could be next on the block.

• Thunder Acquire Jared McCain:

  • Considered a steal for a capable bench scorer.
  • Tas:

    "OKC is just cashing in here on a…capable player to come off their bench and score." (76:50)

  • Trey:

    "Worthy shot to use one of these random first round picks you just have sticking around on a guy like Jared McCain." (78:17)

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8. Around the League: Game Recaps and Mafia-Style Banter

(87:00–101:28)

• Knicks win 8th straight, outlasting Nuggets in double OT.

  • Brunson scores 42; Jokic struggles from deep (1 of 13).
  • Peyton Watson's emergence discussed—a summer storyline.

• Wolves break a 20-year drought by beating the Raptors in Toronto.

  • Anthony Edwards dominates late.
  • Tas:

    "Watching Anthony Edwards close this game out and talking trash to Toronto Raptors fans, incredible stuff." (95:12)

• Spurs beat a depleted Thunder; Celtics outclass Rockets.

• Trey Murphy III's 44 points (including 12 threes) recognized with "Woah Boy" honors.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Warriors–Hawks trade:

  • Trey Kirby:

    "We used to call him the Unicorn. Now his nickname is if healthy, because if healthy, Kristaps Porzingis helps." (08:09)

• On second-round picks:

  • Jay Skeets:

    "Stop wasting tweets about them, okay? I can't stand it." (33:19)

  • Trey Kirby (joking):

    "The Bulls are getting the next Jokic, they're getting the next Draymond, they're getting the next Manu Ginobili..." (33:31)

• On Bulls’ chaotic roster turnover:

  • Trey Kirby:

    "Jaden Ivey, Isaac Okoro, Josh Giddey, Anthony Simons, Leonard Miller… There's so many guards." (103:09–103:39)

• On Chris Paul's Toronto 'legacy':

  • Skeets:

    "Chris Paul is now the greatest player traded to the Raptors to never report to the team." (61:25)

• On Anthony Edwards closing out the Raptors:

  • Skeets:

    "I was actually smiling watching my team lose because I sort of like this guy so much." (97:50)

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Important Trade Segment Timestamps

• Kuminga–Porzingis swap: 06:10–15:56
• Second-round pick debate: 32:24–34:52
• Ayo Dosunmu to Wolves: 25:15
• Coby White to Hornets: 53:35
• Luke Kennard to Lakers: 35:15
• Gershon Yabusele to Bulls: 37:24
• Trace Jackson-Davis to Raptors: 42:34
• Chris Paul to Raptors (salary dump): 57:10
• Tyus Jones to Hornets: 51:00
• Anthony Davis to Wizards, Mavericks fallout: 66:39–71:25
• Thunder land Jared McCain: 76:50

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Other Fun & Quirky Moments

• If-Healthy All-Stars: The crew coins “if healthy” as Porzingis and AD's unofficial nickname.
• Running Wedgie Tracker: Celebrates another wedgie in the Knicks game.
• “Nard Dog” Watch: Running riff on Luke Kennard’s nickname.
• Chicago Bulls as “All Guards” Meme: Countless jokes as the roster grows increasingly guard-heavy.
• Canadian In-Jokes: On CP3 possibly becoming "CP24" if he ever played in Toronto.
• Banter about spiders and snakes: Classic No Dunks tangents.

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Summary Takeaways

The 2026 NBA Trade Deadline is shaping up as the year of the distressed asset swap, the permanent devaluation of second-round picks, and the formal start of new eras for several franchises. The No Dunks crew balances nostalgia for failed timelines with realistic (and often comically despondent) present-day analysis. While a few teams (Wizards, Hornets, Wolves) get instant talent upgrades, most deals are hedges and flyers, hinting that the real action might arrive in the offseason. The show runs deep with genuine basketball insights and nonstop laughs—a perfect primer for fans needing both the substance and absurdity of NBA trade season.

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For more: Tune in for the next "Drop" podcast with the No Dunks crew, when they’ll pick the winners and losers of the 2026 NBA Trade Deadline.

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[Jay Skeets]

Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the no Dunks. NBA Trade Deadline Special presented by FanDuel. It's the Thursday, February 5th, 2026. I'm Jay Skeets here in the Classic Factory all damn day. And alongside me for the next six plus hours, it's Tas Melas.

[Tas Melas]

Podcast listeners, transaction lovers, this one's for you.

[Jay Skeets]

Next to him, it's my top shot, hot boy Trey Kirby. AO Ayo Do Sumo and making the magic happen. Over yonder, super producer JD Hello. There he is. Here we are. Buckle up. We're gonna be here all day in the Classic Factory, taking you right up until the NBA trade deadline buzzer. We have lots to talk about that happened yesterday. What are you gonna be showing?

[Trey Kirby]

I got snacks, bro.

[Jay Skeets]

Showing the crowd of banana.

[Trey Kirby]

I brought snacks. I brought changes of clothing.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Cause I know I'm gonna get sweaty. I don't know, like maybe two hours in.

[Tas Melas]

Swap it out. Got a lot of socks.

[Trey Kirby]

I actually brought extra socks.

[Jay Skeets]

So did I, bro.

[Trey Kirby]

Not undies. I'm going full crust mode for today.

[Jay Skeets]

Hey, speaking of costum, later on, I don't know, closer to the actual trade deadline 3pm buzzer, I will switch into a costume to pay off January's pick' em loss. So there's a little tease for you to stick around all day or at least come back as we get closer. Let's just call it now from the 2pm Eastern window on, I will be in costume paying off my pick' em loss. Okay, I like that. Yeah. So we're gonna record the podcast here for just the podcast listeners and then we'll just stick around all day and if there's more emergency news that we feel like should be a pod, we'll do that as well. But let's start with a wedgie before we get into all the trades because we had one. There's basketball being played last night. Why no one's really sure, but OG Anunoby sticking the three point wedgie in Madison Square Garden. That is wedgie 43 as our pace remains at an all time high. 65 is the pace according to wedgie tracker.com. so good stuff from OG in MSG.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. But bad stuff from OG you. I did not expect a wedgie from OG Anunoby. He's just this game has been on and he missed by that far anyway. Yeah. On pace for 65 would be the most in modern day wedgie history.

[Trey Kirby]

Keep it going, keep it going.

[Tas Melas]

It's hot. Right now.

[Trey Kirby]

We need Kirk Goldsberry to do a heat map because I think left wing three pointers that's got to be like 30% of wedgies this season.

[Jay Skeets]

That's interesting. That's interesting. We could break it down. We have all the things. That's high.

[Tas Melas]

I think that's high. Wow. But yeah, that as far as a three pointer goes high, I'd say it's probably 65% of three pointers. If we're going to really be trying.

[Trey Kirby]

To figure it out, we'll do the math.

[Jay Skeets]

Embarrassing. No sell by Dave Pash on the ESPN call to step it up. Come on, at least say wedgie.

[Tas Melas]

At least just he said it just got stuck between the backboard and the rim.

[Jay Skeets]

Calling it like I'm sorry, I'm rolling my eyes big time at that. In 2026. Just say wedgie. You can keep moving, but just say it. Okay, let's get into some of the trades. We did have one that just broke. We'll get to the Bulls and Wolves in a second. But the big deal late last night was the Golden State warriors finally trading forward Jonathan Kaminga along with guard Buddy Hield to the Atlanta Hawks. Kaka here in Atlanta for Kristaps Porzingis. As basketball poetry put it this morning, this is the season of the distressed asset swap. It really is, man. Trae Young salary dumped, Anthony Davis moved for Middleton, Marvin Bagley and maybe the worst two first round picks we've ever seen. We did an emergency podcast on that and now Kaminga and Porzingis just trading places here. Tass your reaction to this one when you maybe Woke up at 5am and saw it on your phone?

[Tas Melas]

That's when I saw it. And generally I am a positive Pete, but there's nothing to be positive about here. Well, let's be completely honest as far as let's go to the warriors first because it's fun, it's Kristaps Porzingis. Maybe, maybe we can get back the old Kristaps. Let's not be in denial here. The guy has not been able to be himself four years going way back to the Boston playoff run where he just wasn't himself. He wasn't himself last year in the regular season. Then I watched him play for Latvia last year in the Euro basket for six games and I thought okay, okay, maybe if he knows if what is going on with his body, if he can finally be diagnosed because he was in Boston, they didn't know what was going on with his body. Now what it is, they did determine that it was a sped up heart rate. Maybe they can get him back on the floor, but he's played 17 games this season. It's just who Kristaps Porzingis is. I watched him play six games for EuroBasket. I think that's what the warriors can hope for going into this postseason. Six games. Maybe we can.

[Jay Skeets]

You gotta make the postseason.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, well, maybe for, for the fans out there. I know some are saying, hey, this, this could be, this could be an exciting thing with Chris Hopsporz. What they can hope for is basically last year's postseason. Maybe we can win one series with Kristaps Foras and that's it. That's. That's the dream here. If this means that there's no Yanis coming for the Golden State warriors, which still can be done, they still have Jimmy Butler's contract, Jimmy Brandon Pajemski and some picks, you know, to throw it out there, that still could happen. But if this is it for the Golden State warriors, this is it for the Golden State Warriors. It ain't pretty. Let's be completely honest. And we'll get to the Hawks.

[Jay Skeets]

We'll get to the Hawks side. What do you think about the warriors getting Porzingis here?

[Trey Kirby]

Well, we used to call him the Unicorn. Now his nickname is if healthy, because if healthy, Chris Depp. Porzingis helps. He shoots threes, he blocks shots, he beats, switches. He has played like three games since the middle of November. Not very good. So I'm not very encouraged for the warriors here. I guess if you're a Golden State fan, you're like man Al Horford and Christ Porzingis. They won a title together. That's a title winning front court. Porzingis played like eight minutes or something or like two halves. It feels like in that title run for Boston, if he's not healthy, this gets him out of the Kaminga business. Obviously that was a problem for the warriors and it gets him off of Buddy. He contract. He's owed what he's got another year, another two years after this one because he will definitely be picking up his player option for 2017.

[Tas Melas]

Not all is guaranteed next year. There's a way around that. But yeah, that's what the warriors are doing.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes, this is a, this is a Kaminga slash salary dump for a guy who could help if he ever plays. I don't think he will play all that much for the Warriors. They say they're not out of the Giannis sweepstakes, but according to reporting over at the Athletic, they don't think that the Bucks are going to trade Giannis and I guess Kaminga would have been the Most attractive piece there. But it doesn't ever doesn't feel like the Bucks were really interested in getting Kaminga. So I don't know. This is just kind of like a bummer trade from both sides. It's like Porzingis was a big deal coming here to Atlanta. Hasn't been able to stay on the court. Disappointing season for the Hawks. Outside of Jalen Johnson's development this season, obviously the Kaminga thing went terribly in Golden State. The two timeline strategy was a complete failure. Picking Wiseman was the worst pick that they made. Kaminga was the second worst pick. And the assets that they passed up on, they could have gotten first round picks for him at one point, they could have gotten Pascal Siakam for him at one point, they could have gotten OG forum at one point. And they just kept saying, no, no, no, no, no. And then it was too late. They got to take a guy who they don't even know if they will play.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. And to refresh everybody's memory, we had all those prolonged contract negotiations over the summer with Kaminga, and the warriors ultimately signed the two year, $48.5 million deal with a team option in the second season. So the Hawks obviously have that now. And then it started okay. I mean, he earned the starting spot for the Warriors. He looked good. For the first couple weeks he looked.

[Tas Melas]

Like a different guy.

[Jay Skeets]

But then shit went south and he did eventually get injured. And then he started racking up the DMP CDs. And then when a bunch of other warriors got hurt, they're like, all right, man, we need you to play. And he's like, okay. And then he's like, oh, wait, my back hurts. I don't really want to play for you. And maybe that soured even more from the coaching staff in the organization. And now he finally gets moved here for, yeah, the hope of poor Zingis. When he plays, he's good, he's awesome. He like shoots bombs out there. Like, you could see why it would make sense in a Steph Curry sort of offense. Opening things up in the pick and pop and also rim protecting. But he just never plays. No, you can't trust him. But it's not like Kamingo was playing. They'd give it up off him. So they move and it's like, yeah, depressing is the best way to put it. Maybe the Hawks get like a flyer here on a really young guy in Kaminga. I don't know what you think of his fit here in Atlanta with the current construction of their team. You like it?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. I always think, is it a better situation than the Golden State warriors that are completely running their offense around? Buddy healed. But at the same time, Quinn Snyder here does run a bit of the. You can only hold it for 0.5 seconds and move that thing. And so that's a part of the problem. But they can still just expect him to try and score. So it is different than the Curry system. It is a. You're within the three point line, you can take it to the hoop. There is that. And he was good in his first couple years at shooting two pointers, really high percentages, you know, near 60%. But it's dropped off his last couple years. Maybe that's because the whole Warrior system. So maybe you're just saying a second situation here is different for him. Maybe that's all this is. This is a flyer on a guy and it could be a year and a half flyer. As you said, it's a team option for next year. So that's what this is, a flyer being passing around the NBA.

[Trey Kirby]

He's not going to start, is he?

[Tas Melas]

That's a good question.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, Kaminga has wanted to start for the entirety of his NBA career and this trade, I'm like, where is the spot for him?

[Jay Skeets]

It would be weird, I think, for them to take out Dyson Daniels and put Kaminga in his sort of spot. Agree.

[Trey Kirby]

They just paid Dyson Daniels. Jalen Johnson is the star. They drafted Reese number one, Nikhil Alexander Walker is a starter. So welcome back to the bench. Jonathan Kaminga.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah. For anybody, I guess it would be Recess who hasn't been playing a ton, has just came back from injury, has played two games I think since. Since returning. Could be that. But that's also. Yeah, bad sign for Recess. He wants to play more. He doesn't want to be off the bench. Do you want to try and push him? Yeah. So it's an odd, odd. Yeah. This could be a flyer as well.

[Jay Skeets]

Whether he starts or comes on the bench, he's at least going to get more opportunity here for the Atlanta Hawks and we get to quickly find out, well, who was right? Was it you just didn't fit with Curry and Kerr's offense and they just didn't know how to use you and so it's their fault, so to speak. Or are we trusting Kerr who's won multiple championships and he saw something or lack of something in you that you know, maybe we're going to find out and learn here. Like maybe you're not as good as you Know where you were drafted and how people thought about you for a certain a.m. time.

[Tas Melas]

You got to buy somewhere in the middle. He has to buy in. It's a democratized thing here in Atlanta. Everybody can touch it. But you also have to buy into that. And he hasn't been a great ball handler. Even if he had some great workout videos in the off season where he was running that skip pick and roll that he's passing from. Whoa. One side of the floor to the other wearing a hat, maybe that was great, but it's very, very different. And the numbers have fallen off recently. But this is. Yeah, Porzingis, it was turning into again, what could be a flyer in two situations because Buddy healed. Yeah. Signed for two years, but only $3 million guaranteed for next year. It becomes guaranteed after the draft day. So this literally could be nothing. And you're the saying that you used at the beginning. That's what this could be. I mean, this is just a situation that contracts are just moved. Oh, for. Yeah. I mean, that's what it is.

[Jay Skeets]

Asset swap.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, that's what this is.

[Trey Kirby]

Nard Dog's got to be available, huh?

[Jay Skeets]

Luke Canard.

[Tas Melas]

Sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, sure.

[Trey Kirby]

Anybody want Luke Canard?

[Tas Melas]

He is available for sure. You're right.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't think so.

[Tas Melas]

No, I don't think anybody now with Corey Kispert there. Yeah, he's. He's moved down the packing.

[Trey Kirby]

He's traded Vite.

[Jay Skeets]

Things move quickly, man. In the NBA, we had the Hawks as a winner of the off season. We were like, man, kill Alexander Walker. Now that's turned out well. He's played really well for them. That signing and obviously the Porzingis deal. And we had some pick.

[Tas Melas]

It's the pick.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. Yes. They get the pick from the Pelicans. Thank you very much.

[Tas Melas]

That's the thing.

[Trey Kirby]

That's huge. That's why all. All the other moves don't really matter.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jay Skeets]

If they hit on that. Yeah. A top three, let's say, and this. Get a superstar player from that, then they're laughing because then Jalen Johnson can suddenly slide into like your second best player. That's elite. Nikhil Alexander Walker is a totally fine, good point guard. Other young pieces, too. So, yeah, there's something here. But I'm just saying, man, the Hawks, they'll make a deal and then they'll be like, nope, get it out of here. Dejounte Murray eventually pivoted on that one wisely. And here we go with Porzingis, too. But big part of it is Just guy can't play all these. All these guys getting traded. It's like at a certain point, it's like, all right, it looks great on paper. Yeah. In theory, great player, but he never plays. So you just get frustrated. I imagine you would get frustrated as an organization. All right, get anything else for him? Let's give Kaminga a go here.

[Tas Melas]

So, yeah, I understand that side. I'm super positive, Pete. So I watched Latvia in the Euro basket and I thought, well, six games of Chris Hapsbrozing as being the number one guy. He looks good. Again, it's six games. That's all it was. And then it turned into again a rolling situation here where he's just 17 games. As far as what the Hawks have done and Ansysale has done, I think they must have watch parties to watch the New Orleans Pelicans every single night. Right. Let's hope they lose. Right. And I think they have to last night. We'll get to last night's games. But they went into overtime against the Milwaukee Bucks. I mean, they had a fun game and everybody in the Hawks front office must be saying, yeah, they lost.

[Jay Skeets]

Wasn't that game a can't lose for the Hawks? Yeah, between the Pelicans and Bucks, because somebody's losing and they're going to be happy. So, yeah, they're going to hope. They obviously cash in on that. And it's quite high right now.

[Trey Kirby]

It's number two.

[Tas Melas]

Honestly.

[Jay Skeets]

It makes.

[Trey Kirby]

It makes it so they can do moves like this. Like the Porzingis signing was a dud, but they can move off him for a guy in Kaminga who is duplicative of every other player they have. Ani has a type of. He loves a long, athletic wing. Look at all the guys that are there right now. They can trade Trae Young for basically nothing. CJ McCollum and Corey Kispert. We'll see if CJ sticks around after this year. But, like, that's the face of the franchise and they can just trade them away and nobody's upset. No, because they're getting a top four pick in the draft. That's why you do that kind of trade. That was the best move they made. And everything else was like, hopefully it works out. It didn't. And Jalen Johnson became an all star. So this turns out as a great season for the Hawks, even though they're probably going to be 500 once again.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

Very likely back in the plan and to get their way into the playoffs. But you're right, all these shooters out like Buddy Heald is included in this. He likes to shoot threes. Can obviously stretch the floor and get hot. But you said McCollum, Kispert, the nard Dog, Luke Canard. Now you got Buddy Heald here. It's a lot of the sort of same guy.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

C.J. mcCollum a little different, don't get me wrong. But we'll see if there's any more moves to make because we still have a couple hours left before the deadline.

[Trey Kirby]

Now things are different for us because we live here in Atlanta and we'll be seeing Kamingo with our own eyes. We'll still talk about him, but do you think that other NBA podcasts and media people will talk about Jonathan Kaminga as much as they have for the past year and a half?

[Jay Skeets]

Zero.

[Trey Kirby]

Exactly right.

[Jay Skeets]

Zero. Which is good for Jonathan Kaminga. That's the thing. I sort of think, like now you're not under the scrutiny. Every single minute of action. And warriors fans going, you blew the game or you should have been out there all like. That won't be here in Atlanta. And with the national media. It'll be exciting at first, see how he plays. Okay, whatever. And then he'll be forgotten. Oh, absolutely.

[Tas Melas]

Devil's advocate. He wants to be a number one guy. And if nobody's talking about him, then he's gonna say, I'm out of here. Just in terms of media. If he's not getting it on the social media, he isn't a number one guy, isn't getting that. Those sort of accolades, then maybe he'll say, I can't be around here.

[Trey Kirby]

Jonathan Kukinga, they're the only team that has shown any interest in ever having this guy.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, well, the Kings will work out.

[Jay Skeets]

Right over my head.

[Trey Kirby]

For here in Atlanta.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, that's good. Now, if he balls out, there's. There's a sponsorship opportunity right there.

[Trey Kirby]

Lemon Pepper Kawinga.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's good.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Look, I agree.

[Trey Kirby]

He wants to be the number one guy. He's not. He's number three. Maybe.

[Tas Melas]

No. Yeah, we'll see if Quinn Snyder can get him to buy into moving the ball like. Like they were, like for two weeks.

[Jay Skeets]

As well.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, but you never know in the second situation, second city, maybe it changes, but who knows?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, we will see.

[Tas Melas]

It's hard to predict.

[Jay Skeets]

And do you think this does put to bed Giannis to the Bucks, like you said, the Athletic reporting that they felt like there was an extended lack of communication from Milwaukee is what the warriors are saying, or these an extended.

[Tas Melas]

Lack of communication in recent days here.

[Jay Skeets]

But because what we saw was Draymond Green, Kaminga, Pojemski, four first round picks, a first round swap, whatever other salary to make it match whatever other Bucs players coming back to make it happen. You know, that was out there. That felt like a deal that they had proposed to the Bucks, and now you take Kaminga out of that, maybe it doesn't matter at all. The Bucks, maybe they're more likely to do it because they didn't want the guy, but what do you feel? This is still a summer thing here for Giannis.

[Tas Melas]

It's a summer thing, but it could be a summer thing for the Warriors. I mean, it could be. It could be resuscitated. It's in. It's in a coma for the next four months. But then you never know if Giannis isn't traded.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

Was that the paddles?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Let's get him back.

[Trey Kirby]

Clear.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

You got a lot of sound effects.

[Tas Melas]

I didn't know you had that one in the bag. Oh, yeah, I haven't used that one. I just learned how to give cpr. No, I didn't. I should, though.

[Jay Skeets]

You should, yeah. Everybody's any. Anything to add to that with the Yanis of it all here?

[Trey Kirby]

Well, like I said yesterday, I thought that the Heat, struggling as they have in 2026, meant that they would probably have the best potential package that you could offer to the Bucks for Giannis, and that's if they decide to include Hero and where and all of their picks. That's a better package than anything the warriors could do. So it kind of makes sense to me that Milwaukee wouldn't be calling them back. Why would you want Draymond and Kaminga if you're trying to bottom out? That doesn't really make that much sense.

[Tas Melas]

Are they willing to give up up Brandon Pujemski for the first time? Because he's been the guy that they haven't wanted to give up. Oh, I assume they would.

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[Jay Skeets]

All right, well, another team in rumors right now for Giannis is the Minnesota Timberwolves. Some people think it's it's Minnesota Miami now with Giannis if it happens. But they made a trade right before we went live here for our epic trade deadline stream. Minnesota traded Rob Dillingham, Leonard Miller, my guy Leonard Miller and four second round picks to Trey Kirby's Chicago Bulls for I. Desumo and Julian Phillips. Let's start with your thoughts. TK You've had a busy couple days here with your Bulls.

[Trey Kirby]

It's gonna be a completely different team tonight. They play the Raptors. You guys suckered me in with this stupid pick and payoff. I can't believe I gotta pick the Bulls when they're gonna have almost an entire team of guys shorter than me playing. This is great for the Timberwolves I think to get a lot of second round picks, that's fine. Minnesota at this point is already all in so they're like whatever. We're throwing away our second rounders to try and get better for this season. IO will help. He's not like a classic set guys up point guard, but he can play both sides of the ball. He's shooting incredibly well this season. He's like 45% from three, making a bunch of them above the break. Maybe that's unsustainable but if he can keep the hot streak up for this entire season, that's great. They needed an upgrade at the guard positions as well. So I think the rotation of Ant DiVincenzo IO that's nice. I am sad that IO's leaving Chicago. He's been one of the best draft picks they've had. A Chicago guy played basketball University of Illinois. I texted my dad. He gave me a no with like 18 o's at the end. He's sad.

[Jay Skeets]

And your dad's gonna love Leonard Miller, man.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, look, I am excited that the Bulls upgraded from Emmanuel Miller, Leonard's brother, to Leonard. I think Leonard is the better Miller. But this is a terrible return for IO to Sumo.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Leonard Miller hasn't done anything in the NBA and he's still accomplished more than Rob Dillingham.

[Jay Skeets]

Who?

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, he might be skinnier than you, Skeets. He can barely get the ball from the three point line to the rim. I think he's bad. Okay. And the Bulls could have traded IO in the past for first round draft picks. That's the thing. None of these moves that the Bulls made in the past couple of days are bad on their face. It's like, okay, you're getting back second round picks. You're clear in salary, even though nobody ever moves in free agency. Understandable moves. If they would have done it last year for Kobe, if they would have done it last year for IO, they could have gotten something real back in return. Now they're rolling the dice on Dillingham and rolling the dice on Jaden Ivy and rolling the dice on all guards. Yeah, literally all guards except for Leonard Miller. So it's weird. The Bulls have had a pretty poor front office since 2020. Though I will say them and the Magic have won the exact same amount of playoff series.

[Jay Skeets]

0.

[Tas Melas]

0.

[Trey Kirby]

And now the mad are gonna have to trade Franz Wagner, who they got in the deal anyways. So it's gonna work out in the long run. But yeah, this is good.

[Jay Skeets]

Timberwolves.

[Trey Kirby]

The copium was hard. I mean, honestly, the Magic aren't doing anything and they're gonna have to break up their biggest too. So it's all good. But yeah, this. The Bulls botched it and they got nothing back. Yeah, they should have just resigned IO if that's. If this was going to be the return.

[Tas Melas]

I think that's a good point because they're giving a shot to Robert Dillingham.

[Jay Skeets]

Robert.

[Tas Melas]

Robert. Yeah, he's. Let's go. Full name Robert.

[Jay Skeets]

Robert Dillingham because Sir Robert Dillingham. I saw him on the new Game of Thrones series. He's in the. He's in the joke versus Duncan the Tall.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, does Ed Sheeran set up that jost with a little musical number? Ed Sheeran is the biggest name outside of anyone who can act that's been in Game of Thrones. Okay, let's be Completely honest. Robert Dillingham.

[Trey Kirby]

Don't act like he's not.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't even know how to respond to that. I love it.

[Tas Melas]

Well, I don't know. I haven't been able to get to this new. New series.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, okay. Jesus. I just ruined it for you.

[Tas Melas]

Well, no, I just didn't know if anybody else outside of the actor world has been in it. Maybe Sharon's back, baby.

[Jay Skeets]

He's not back.

[Tas Melas]

I'll watch his new concert series on Spotify. Fine. Anyway, there's a. There's one. Have you seen it? Not me neither. Anyway, so real early to be.

[Jay Skeets]

We have six more hours. Melan's pace with the crazy one o'.

[Tas Melas]

Clock.

[Trey Kirby]

We're watching that and let's see what he's up to.

[Tas Melas]

This can be a two hour podcast and that's completely fine. Well, JD that kind of sucks for.

[Jay Skeets]

You, I would assume. Did you not have him? You wanted him on the Nuggets. You kept talking about that.

[Tas Melas]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

So he goes to another good competitive team and obviously the Timberwolves here.

[Tas Melas]

Hey, nice. Nice segue.

[Jay Skeets]

If I got his back.

[Tas Melas]

If the Nuggets couldn't get him for whatever reason. The Timberwolves, yeah, they probably my second option. They obviously need somebody to run that second unit. You saw it last night in their game against the Toronto Raptors. They didn't play anybody on their bench outside of Bones, Highland and Nazri. Just two guys. They played two guys off the bench. They need somebody to help out their second unit. They didn't give up a lot in Rob Dillingham because they haven't trusted him. And as Trey noted just now, he noted this on our substack page as well. He's just not strong enough to shoot three balls when people are saying now maybe Chicago has some sort of trainers to strengthen those triceps to get that ball up.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Look at their jacked guys like Matas Bouzel, muscle men.

[Tas Melas]

Because the Timberwolves put a lot together to get Rob Dillingham.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Tas Melas]

First place. But now they have. They pulled the plug on him to get. I would assume, because I thought, yeah, the Nuggets need a secondary ball handler, just somebody on their second unit just in case they need somebody to run things. But now the Timberwolves have that option. I. I thought maybe it's Chris Paul, even before in the bad Clipper days, I mean, before the bad Chris Paul Clipper days, that maybe Chris Paul would be the guy to help them out. But I would assume not a traditional guy to set things up, no doubt about that. But plays both ends and can shoot threes. And now with Dante DiVincenzo in the starting lineup there, they need somebody who can just rip from any pass that comes from Anthony Edwards. So, yes, this is fantastic for them. Fantastic for them. This feels like they're also out of the Giannis bidding here. It feels that way, you know, now that they've given up a couple contracts here now they, I suppose they can still. The package would still be led by $30 million. Julius Randall. So they can pro. They can put it together. But it feels like I feels like this. They're gone. They're gone and this is their team. But at the same time, a team that went to the conference finals two times in a row now with Nas Reed and I Odisumu along with Bones Highland coming off the bench, they're stronger. They're stronger than they were yesterday, that is for sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Bobby Marks tweeted here, the Bulls have added nine second round picks in the last week. Yeah, 14 total. Second round, there we go. Second round picks.

[Trey Kirby]

Today we go.

[Jay Skeets]

Couldn't give a shit.

[Tas Melas]

No.

[Jay Skeets]

In fact, I actually get angry. No, I'm serious here. Hold on. You know these trades happen, right? Shams wants to get it out right away, so he just tweets out, IO de Sumo going to the Wolves. And you're like, okay, for what? For who? I mean, okay, explain it. Then he gets onto the second part and starts filling all in the gaps. And then that usually includes picks, right? A lot of these second round picks, he doesn't tell them what they are because he knows they don't fucking matter. So he just leaves it. And then someone else comes in, someone a little more. Let me tell you which ones these are. I do not give a shit what these second round picks are. Stop wasting tweets about them, okay? I can't stand it.

[Trey Kirby]

You say that, you say that, but Arturish Karnishevus found Nikola Jokic in Serbia.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He's a second round draft pick.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm not saying abolish the second round draft.

[Trey Kirby]

The Bulls are getting the next Jokic, they're getting the next Draymond, they're getting the next Manu Ginobili and the next Cam Spencer.

[Jay Skeets]

That may be the case. My point is, I don't need Zach lowe tweeting. This second round pick is by way of LA and then coming through here. And then this second round pick is probably going to be more in the 45 range.

[Tas Melas]

That's coming.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't. No one cares. Nobody cares. Good luck. Throw a dart and maybe hit a superstar, but I don't need the breakdowns. Sorry, I had to get it off my chest.

[Tas Melas]

Really let it go.

[Jay Skeets]

Because there's too many tweets we're reading over this week.

[Tas Melas]

Too much reading.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

You said you're wasting your tweets, but is any tweet wasted, really? You know what I mean? Like, they're kind of superfluous. You can just. You can just randomly tweet. I hear what you're saying. We'll get to the Anthony Davis trade a little bit later. Who was traded for an air quote. First round pick. But essentially that's the best second round pick you can get because it's going to be the 30th pick in this draft, most likely. Although the Pistons are making a run for that number 30 pick and it might be the 29th. So I hear what you're saying. Doesn't matter if it's a 30th pick or a 32nd.

[Jay Skeets]

I didn't say first round.

[Tas Melas]

I know, but a 30th pick is essentially a second round.

[Jay Skeets]

I have no problem you telling me if the pick is bad or not or where it lands in the first round round. I think there's some merit to that. Second rounders don't give a. I stand on that.

[Tas Melas]

Well, the best second rounder you can get is a 31st pick. It's like one pick away. You know what I mean?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he's got one of those trades. No, I think they got a. I think they got a pelican second round pick during one of these deals. I want that one. We're talking 31 or 32 without a guaranteed deal.

[Jay Skeets]

That's right. So I don't even count that.

[Trey Kirby]

But we got huge deal news.

[Jay Skeets]

All right.

[Trey Kirby]

Huge news breaking. The Los Angeles Lakers are trading Gabe Vincent and a 2032 second round pick to the Atlanta Hawks for the Nard Dog. The Nard Dog was available. Just like that.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, so say that again. Gabe Vincent and a 2032 second round pick. Can't wait to find out where that one lands.

[Tas Melas]

I agree. I don't care about that one.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, you don't. You'll be dropping a 13 year old at this point. Right. And that's for Luke. For Luke Canard, the Nard Dog. So they add a little shooting there in la.

[Trey Kirby]

La.

[Jay Skeets]

Luke.

[Trey Kirby]

Luke and Luca running the court together.

[Tas Melas]

Deciding that Luke is going to be better than Gabe. He's got a little more height, frankly. That's what that is.

[Trey Kirby]

Because Gabe.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, they're picking him over Dalton connect.

[Jay Skeets]

I was going to say Dalton connect. Being moved here in the next couple hours.

[Trey Kirby]

Nobody wants that guy.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, for a second round pick, he can be had.

[Tas Melas]

That's exactly right. Great. JJ keeps asking him to play harder, essentially. They're going to get that from Luke, I suppose, but you knew you were getting that from Gabe either way. I think it's just a height thing. Luke is taller than Gabe.

[Trey Kirby]

He's better than Gabe Canard.

[Jay Skeets]

A real three point shooter.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, very good. Yeah, he's very good.

[Jay Skeets]

And. And if you watch talks games, which we did here, he sucked at the beginning of the season because he was out there not shooting and it was infuriating. It's like, dude, you're only out here to let it rip. You have one of the greatest three point percentages in history of the game. Shoot it. But he wasn't, he was very hesitant and he's not really giving you a whole bunch else on the floor offensively or nothing on the defensive end, but they got through to him. Like he started ramping up his three point attempts and obviously the percentage and stuff like that. And he was becoming a much more playable player. Not as infuriating as if you're a Hawks fan. So Buddy's gone because they got buddy heel, Kissbert McCollum. They got enough Gunners, I guess, here on the team. Sure. All right.

[Tas Melas]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

You need shooting around Luca for sure. Like that's one of the. The key things you need also you need defense. So they got one of the two.

[Jay Skeets]

Let's go back to your Bulls here.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Because you, you slipped it in here. The Knicks traded Gerson Yabaselle to the Bulls for Dale and Terry. So. Oh, Dalen a Dalen for a Dilly in the end, Dalen for a Dilly for a Dylan. I don't. What. However you want to put. I want to start with you on this one and here's why. Because during the preseason when we were doing all of our shows talking about the Knicks.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Please call me out.

[Jay Skeets]

You were very high on Gershon Yabiselli.

[Tas Melas]

I was.

[Jay Skeets]

Because you must have watched six games of his in playing.

[Trey Kirby]

We all did. He did.

[Jay Skeets]

It was awesome. But you sort of went next level. You were like, he might start. I can see a role for him alongside Kat now. That never happened.

[Tas Melas]

He just.

[Jay Skeets]

It did not materialize with the New York Knicks. But he goes to the Bulls as one of the biggest here. Him and Leonard Miller. Tass's Guy and my guy on your team, man.

[Trey Kirby]

Hey, Boozalis is my guy.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

We're all Bulls fans now. This feels good.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I'm watching that. I'm watching that caboose. That is for sure. Gershon caboose la.

[Jay Skeets]

Putting on my glasses watching that caboose. Oh, yeah. Okay. We were minor deal here.

[Tas Melas]

The problem with Gershon when it comes to EuroBasket versus American basketball is that there's more ground to cover defensively. That's the problem. That caboose la couldn't move fast enough in this game. Come on. It's great. I'm surprised I didn't use it before.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

How have we not said that? We always did the. The pickles. The. The gherkin pickles. Yeah, it's not as good.

[Jay Skeets]

We always did the pickles.

[Tas Melas]

We always did the pickles. Yeah, I guess it was me. I always do the pickles because it's not that good anyway. Yeah. Watching him for France, he was able to move from the rim to the three point line. And I thought Mike Brown would come in with the New York Knicks and just say, hey, Carl needs to move over to the four. Gershon will play some five. But they've moved. They've allowed Cat in a modern NBA to be that five. To continue that three point shot from the five spot and allow that distance to the rim. Him and Mitchell Robinson would come in off the bench and be that guy who's fantastic and has been extremely healthy. So Gershon expendable. And this is, this is the Bulls taking on a contract because Gershon's years are beyond this season, while Dale and Terry, he's an expiring deal. So the Bulls are doing their thing.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, well, that's the thing. I was a little surprised that they would take on salary because it seemed like what they were doing was trading players who might have some sort of appeal to other teams that are trying to win. Getting a second round pick back, only second round picks coming back for sure. But getting some sort of a pick and then keeping the books clean for summer 2026, summer 2027. I guess this does keep 27 available as well. But taking on the extra year of salary and not getting a pick, that was kind of weird to me from Chicago standpoint. But it's only five and a half million dollars for Yabu Saleh's option next season. They're going to have a very low payroll regardless, I think. I mean, Simons is their highest paid player right now, but Giddy will be Next summer. And he's only at like 25 million, so the books will stay clean. And you know, he's not a guard, so at least that's good. There will be a little bit of an opportunity for Gershon Yabu Saleh, but I think he's only here for health insurance. He said if you play three years in the NBA, you get a lifetime pension after four seasons. Medical expenses are covered for life.

[Tas Melas]

Life.

[Trey Kirby]

After five years, the medical coverage is extended to the entire family. I want to play five years in the NBA so that my family can benefit from that lifetime care. That's really nice. That's a really noble thing. This is his fourth season. He will pick up his option next year and then he'll be gone.

[Jay Skeets]

Done.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

Good on you. Good on you, man.

[Tas Melas]

Because apparently there have been offers from abroad to get him out of his contract right here, right now.

[Jay Skeets]

Do you think he's a blue anthem man? I don't know. I don't know.

[Tas Melas]

What a strange career he's had. I mean, he's a first round pick in 2017. That's a long time ago. Only played two seasons, then went abroad and come back for these two seasons. So yeah, after watching him last year play for the Sixers every single night. He played 70 games last year for the Sixers. I thought he'd be all right.

[Jay Skeets]

Who's going to win? Whoa, boy. First Gershon Yabaselle or Leonard Miller in some of these crazy games in March and April, man.

[Tas Melas]

Gershon.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I think Leonard, he's going to have a triple double. He's going to have a Lamar Odom like line.

[Trey Kirby]

Has he had a triple double in his career? Like adding all the stats up?

[Jay Skeets]

Probably not. He barely plays.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he probably doesn't have 10 assists. We don't know. But look, a couple more French guys coming to Chicago. Yabu Saleh and they got Ushman Jang as well.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah, we'll get to that.

[Trey Kirby]

They just got to teach Noah Senge the ways of America, I guess.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When we get to the Kobe White trade, can you tell us who is on the Bulls, like in like their roster?

[Tas Melas]

I'll check.

[Trey Kirby]

Spot.

[Jay Skeets]

It's changed a lot here. Yes, it's wild. Okay.

[Tas Melas]

What's also changed is these websites have become incredible hoop type salaries right here, right now. They already have Gershon Yabu Seli on there.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

Instant.

[Trey Kirby]

They're on it.

[Jay Skeets]

Almost getting ahead of themselves. Yeah, you could argue because it's not official right from the league. Okay, let's go back to the warriors because in a separate move shortly after the Kaminga trade, the warriors moved big man Trace Jackson Davis to our Toronto raptors for a 2026 second round pick by way of the Lakers.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, baby.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes. So TJD to Toronto here. Tass, let's start with you. What do you think? You know what, Let me remind people who the hell this guy is. He was the 57th pick in the 2023 NBA Draft and he's posted pretty low averages, obviously like 6 and 5, let's call it that. Shooting a decent percentage from the field over the career. You don't want to know what he shoots from the free throw line. Raptors fans, it's not good. But he's 25 years old and his role has diminished a lot with the Warriors. Like when he was a rook, we were getting excited about this guy. Yeah, we're like, oh yeah, they got something here and that's sort of just sort of falling off. So he goes to the Raptors, they get a big guy here. Your thoughts?

[Tas Melas]

You can be positive if you look at it that way. Defensively, he can alter some shots. That's what he'll be for the Toronto Raptors to eat some minutes. It's your. Your mo bamba part two type of thing. I shouldn't say that because he doesn't shoot. He doesn't shoot outside of 10ft. He literally does not. Yeah, he's a rim runner that can set some picks and that's what the Toronto Raptors needed. We all thought, okay, maybe it's going to be a different tier of player. Dahron Sharp, Go Go Batazi a that type of guy, but unfortunately this is all you get. Yeah, we all thought watching him, the son of Dale Davis, that he'd run and play hard for the Golden State warriors. He'd be physical, it didn't happen. But change it up. I mean, it is it. They're different systems than what Steve Kerr had running out there. So yeah, he'll get minutes, but I don't know if it's beyond this season.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, he has a $2.4 million team option for next season. So this is essentially an extended tryout, see if he can get a little bit of an opportunity with the Pearl injury. And you know, he's not the biggest guy in the world, but he sort of plays a little bit bigger maybe than he is. Like he's six, nine, I think.

[Tas Melas]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

It made me laugh a lot that the Raptors needed size and went and got the smallest center they could possibly find. Yeah, they've got two 6 foot 9 centers and a 6 foot 7 center and then a 7 footer who never plays.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah, he feels bigger than six, nine, but.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, because he doesn't shoot like from the outside. So that's why. And he's a little more girthy. Maybe you got long, long arms too.

[Tas Melas]

But a big forehead. Maybe that's it.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Jeez.

[Tas Melas]

I'm not trying to get all. We're not going body part by body part, but he, he looks bigger than six. Yeah, we are.

[Jay Skeets]

I went girth of his size. I went. His arms are long and then his forehead.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, but they're taking. It is a flyer.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it look. Bobby Webster and the Raptors organization and this was Josh Lenberg of TSN reporting this. Like they looked at several other bigs, but apparently they are all costing a first round pick. The Pelicans wanted a first round pick for Eve's Mission. The Nets wanted a first round pick for Da Ron Sharpe. The Magic wanted a first round pick for Goga Batazi. And I think wisely, they're not worth first round picks. And so Bobby's like, all right, let's just take a flyer on this guy. Second round pick. And they could only do this because they did the Ochay Abaji trade and got out of the luxury tax. So. Yeah, look, there's not much to say about this. We'll see if he has.

[Trey Kirby]

He allows 71% shooting at the rim and he had a good year finishing when he was a rookie. Shot 70% from the field.

[Tas Melas]

Field.

[Trey Kirby]

Since then basically 58%. Not much to get.

[Tas Melas]

I know, I know. Yeah, but we were, remember, we were.

[Jay Skeets]

Like, like I say, we like everybody. I was like, oh, yeah, as a rook, like as a 23 year older, it was like, okay, yeah, playing 15 minutes a game gives you like eight and five. And was out there not screwing up with the Warriors. So yeah, just fell off.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

We all thought that Eve Mece may be moving on from New Orleans because it was time, but watching him play yesterday, if I'm just watching from the seat of my couch, I wouldn't think that he's as big as he is listed. I think Trace Jackson Davis would be taller, but he me sees 6, 11. But skinny. But skinny. Yeah, but skinny. But yeah, I guess he's gonna stick around in New Orleans. That's.

[Trey Kirby]

That's a whole interesting 4 hours, 10 minutes and 4 seconds.

[Tas Melas]

That's true. And he's signed through next year, so there's time.

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

I can't tell.

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[Trey Kirby]

Oh, Jules the chef.

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[Jay Skeets]

The Magic traded Tyus Jones to the Hornets. Four second round picks.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, baby.

[Jay Skeets]

And cash.

[Trey Kirby]

And cash.

[Jay Skeets]

I would say second round picks having a bigger NBA trade deadline than cash considerations so far, right?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, you're right. So any thoughts on this one, TK Obviously a very minor deal. Magic trading Tyus Jones, who you had.

[Trey Kirby]

As one of the most washed players.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes. For a younger washed player. Yes. Yeah, he's just under 30, right?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, he.

[Trey Kirby]

He has fallen off since the Memphis days, but he's just going to be an emergency option for the Hornets. We know that Lamelo Ball has gotten dinged up throughout his career. They've got Kobe White as his next backup and. But that means you need a backup to the backup. So if Tyus Jones is your third string slash fourth string point guard, that's fine.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Last year is a far better year for Tyus Jones than this year as well. His best years obviously Memphis a few years ago before his Washington and Phoenix run. But they ain't coming back. Apparently.

[Jay Skeets]

Apparently. Feels like the type of guy is going to play on a lot of teams here moving forward for the next six or seven years.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. Is Jamal Mosley to be blamed for his, you know, non role with the Orlando Magic? I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

He is like a risk averse player, right?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Tyus Jones never turns the ball over, shoots high percentages, but it's because he doesn't try anything with his passes, makes safe passes and only takes shots if he's wide open. You throw in the fact that he's 6ft tall, he's a liability when it comes on the defensive end, especially in the playoffs. And that's why he's been a backup point guard for the majority of his career. And as he's gotten older and seen the athleticism fall off a little bit, he's kind of just fallen down the.

[Jay Skeets]

Pecking order with that deal. The Magic are now out of the luxury tax as well. We saw a lot of deals that involved just getting out of the luxury tax. I mean they joined Denver, Philly, Toronto and Dallas as Wednesday's luxury tax escapees. That's from John Hollinger crunching the numbers. Yeah. So that's what this was as well. Back to the Bulls. They traded guards Kobe White and Mike Conley Jr. To those Hornets in exchange for Colin Sexton, Uzman Jang and three future second round picks. Jang. This one, this one surprised everyone or confused everyone for a second. Like what the hell? Thought Jang was on the Thunder. Well, yes. How do you get in here? Because he was acquired by Charlotte in exchange for Mason Plumley. So a Plum dog for Jang. And then Chang moved to the Chicago Bulls. Tk, Kobe, White gone.

[Trey Kirby]

Another sad one. Yeah, like Kobe and IO were both good development stories for the Bulls. Kobe had a rough start to his career. His second season was really, really bad. But then turned it around. Made a run at mip, was robbed by Tyrese Max if I'm remembering correctly. But he grew up in North Carolina, played for unc, and now he gets to be a Hornet. That's pretty sweet. He's an upgrade to me on Colin Sexton. I know others have said opposite because Sexton shoots better percentages than Kobe does, but that's only because Kobe takes more shots. He takes twice as many threes as Colin Sexton did. And I think he's just a more reliable player. Not to mention all the big game experience that Kobe White has. Has multiple play in appearances, 42 in a play in game. Sexton is still yet to play in the playoffs. So I think this is good for the Hornets to get a guy like Kobe White who can play alongside Lamelo, can play alongside Khan. He's kind of like in between a point guard and a shooting guard. I guess you would call that a combo guard. And that he can handle but can play off the ball. And it will give the hornets a chance to sign him to a decent deal because they still got pretty clean books since most of their guys are on rookie deals.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, and the writing has been on the wall here for a long time. Kobe White being moved because he's due this pay raise here after this season. So you got to assume he started packing on Tuesday when Jaden Ivy is coming to the Bull. Sanford Simons is coming to the Bulls. He's going to be gone and he goes to Charlotte. But do you like this upgrade or is it downgrade in your opinion, Sexton or. Sorry, yes, Sexton to Kobe White.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, I'd say an upgrade. It's far younger and you could see what the Charlotte Hornets are doing. This guy's coming off the bench.

[Justin Varier]

Bench.

[Tas Melas]

There's no doubt about that. He's not playing over whether it's lamelo ball or conquer nipple. He just is not. So he's going to the bench. He's taking over what they hoped Trey Mann was going to be, although he's dropped big time in the pecking order there. But he's going to create for himself. He's the guy. Here you go. He only 31% of his twos are assisted. He is the guy. So nearly 70% of the twos he makes he creates. So Sion James, great guy to play defense in the second unit. Grant Williams, just pass the ball to that guy and watch him go and watch him work. So that's what this team is. It's a very different Charlotte Hornets team. Lamelo concanipple Brandon Miller along with still Miles Bridges and Musa Yabaselle. I almost went Musa Yabu Saleh, Musa Diabate at 5 to now be Colin Sexton. To have Colin sex. Excuse me. To have our guy here, Kobe White. Kobe, yeah. I still got Colin Sexton.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, there's a lot of names being said here.

[Tas Melas]

He's jumping over Colin Sexton. I think Colin Sexton, you know, could be had very easily in the next four hours. But he's their guy. He's their six man and that makes sense. But what kind of contract is he going to get? Yeah, fair question.

[Jay Skeets]

Justin Varier, excuse me, said a diminished role about Kobe White could make it tricky to retain the unrestricted free agent to be. But the market cratered for smallish scoring guards last off season. That's how the Hornets got Colin Sexton really to begin, to begin with for virtually nothing. So that part's fascinating to me. What type of deal is Kobe White looking at and how he plays will be a part of that. But yeah, he's got a spot there, gets to go home. Like you said, they're trying for the play in. They're one of the feel good stories right now in the NBA. And I think he looks cool in the Hornets jersey as well there. Sure.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean they should make the play and they are one game back of Chicago and foreigners got better, bowling got worse.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. Veteran guard Chris Paul was traded to the Toronto Raptors.

[Tas Melas]

You don't say.

[Jay Skeets]

In a three team deal involving the Clippers and Nets, Chris Paul, who does plan to retire following this season, will not report to Canada. That's what everybody is saying. So he does not need to find his passport. He'll likely be waived or retraded here before the deadline. The move sends guard Ochay abaji and a 2032 second round pick from Toronto and cash to Brooklyn. Clips received the draft rights to a guy who was the number 60th pick in the 2019 draft named Vanja Marinkovic from the Nets. That was a name I had not seen before.

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[Jay Skeets]

But they had the draft, right. So that's how it all happened. The rare double salary dump. People were saying, right, yeah, Clippers get out of CP3's deal. The Clippers get out of Chris Paul's deal with just the cash going out and then Abaji's salary and the difference between Chris Paul's minimum got the Raptors out of the luxury tax. Mission accomplished, Bobby. But he's not going. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Raps needed to get off of Abagi who's fallen off this year. He's literally shooting like 18 and a half percent from 3. Last year it looked like a 3 and D type guy undersized, ideally for that position but. But the numbers were there. And this year as Darko has tried so many different guides in that rotation in their second unit, Abashi just didn't find a spot. So money wise, this is, this is a money move. Some money league you got to get off money and you get Chris Paul back. Who honestly, watching this Toronto Raptors team in the fourth quarter, game in and game out would help a great deal.

[Jay Skeets]

Especially last.

[Trey Kirby]

Please report.

[Tas Melas]

Oh man, they have fourth quarter problems. They just can't close. Okay, I know you or not Big on Emanuel Quickley running an offense because he doesn't do that. Because they run this sort of democratized thing where everybody's touching it. And you saw it in the fourth quarter yesterday, but you keep on seeing the fourth quarter over and over and over.

[Jay Skeets]

Bad Knicks loss, bad Magic loss, bad Wolves loss.

[Tas Melas]

Now, yeah, three of the last four games have been bad. Yeah, yesterday was. Was very bad. So Chris Paul running that thing would be nice. Like, let's say. Let's just say instead of Jamal Shed, Chris Paul was their second unit leader. It would be a lot better offensively. I mean, Shed so great that at the same time, like, Shed is their heartbeat of that second unit and he can get into the lane. Unlike what Chris Paul can do. Jamal Shed does get in there. He's not. He's not a scorer, but he can run the offense really well and he does a very good job of that. So I, I say that after a bad game in the fourth quarter for both Jamal Shed and RJ Barrett and everybody in that fourth quarter, those two guys had four turnovers. All live ball stuff. They need somebody running the show. And maybe Darko's got to change their fourth quarter, but they just can't beat any good teams. Chris Paul's with that whip. He would do that.

[Jay Skeets]

And can't go play for the Raptors, though. Brandon Ingram wears number three.

[Trey Kirby]

So true.

[Jay Skeets]

So, and, and, and literally goes by the notorious Bi3 with Devlin on the call. But our guy Alex Wong did suggest if Chris Paul ever came and played for the Raptors, he could be CP24. That's a good Canadian joke.

[Tas Melas]

That's a great Canadian joke.

[Trey Kirby]

That's a good Canadian joke.

[Jay Skeets]

You get it? I laughed quite a bit at that. Shout out to our guys. Hello and welcome. Who I think are live right now too, maybe are competing with us.

[Tas Melas]

They would love Chris Paul running the show in the fourth quarter.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, God, yeah. Alex Wong was like, yeah, get him here. We need them. But he really just wanted it for like interviews and post game scrums and stuff like that.

[Trey Kirby]

But.

[Jay Skeets]

But we'll see where Chris Paul ends up. I. I mean, this is.

[Trey Kirby]

Will he end up?

[Tas Melas]

I don't know. Good question.

[Jay Skeets]

It is a swan song.

[Trey Kirby]

I try and move him, I guess.

[Jay Skeets]

I guess, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

But unlikely to find a real trade partner. But maybe somebody picks him up for a deep second rounder. It's all about second rounders. Jay Crowder must be loving it. I was early, man.

[Tas Melas]

I got for five.

[Trey Kirby]

Or they could buy him out and I don't know Go play with the Lakers. It's always been a thing, you know, play with LeBron.

[Jay Skeets]

And Chris Paul, people are saying is now the greatest player traded to the Raptors to never report to the team. So step aside Alonzo Morning. Step aside. Spencer Dinwiddie, step aside Kenny Anderson.

[Tas Melas]

Nice.

[Jay Skeets]

There's many more guys that were traded, BJ Armstrong, but yeah, there's. Chris Paul is the greatest.

[Tas Melas]

The greatest player.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Slapping Zoe in the face. I guess so. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

You don't think Chris Paul's a better player Alonzo Morning in his career?

[Tas Melas]

Well, hall of Fame, Zo, anyways. Yes, of course.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Okay.

[Tas Melas]

They're different players. They're different players. Okay. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but to never report. See, Alonzo Morning said, I ain't going to play in Toronto. Chris Paul didn't say that. These are different, different reportings. Kenny Anderson also said I ain't going to play there. BJ Armstrong also, I ain't going to play there. I had to look through the list. Who are the guys who said I'm not going to play going. Those are the three.

[Jay Skeets]

I think a different, different time when different time in Toronto have cable television, cell phones, all that stuff.

[Tas Melas]

Didn't have cable cell phones.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, I don't know. Teaching kids centimeters and you know, these.

[Tas Melas]

Are the things, man, they still teach centimeters.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I know. But now people are more. They've adopted it more. Lonzo Ball got traded to the Utah Jazz in a three team deal, but he is instantly a free agent because he is being waived. Here it is. Jock Landell going to the Hawks.

[Trey Kirby]

I like it.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Jock in Atlanta, I think he was pretty solid for the Grizzlies. It seemed like he had one of his better seasons, but maybe I just happened to be catching him at good nights.

[Tas Melas]

He's been shooting the well from three for sure.

[Trey Kirby]

Lee's got to be excited though.

[Jay Skeets]

Another Australian.

[Trey Kirby]

Another Australian to chat.

[Jay Skeets]

Jesus. Yeah, that's good. He just doubled his Australian content. That's huge, man. Just like that.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. What?

[Trey Kirby]

I guess there were rumors yesterday that Lonzo could end up in Charlotte playing with Lamelo. That would have been interesting to see. But since they just did these deals for Kobe White and Tyus Jones, that seems unlikely to me. I wonder if a team will take a chance on Lonzo since he is going to be available for just paying the end of his salary.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. For the Cleveland Cavaliers, they made their off season about Lonzo Ball. They decided, ty Jerome, you're gone. We can get somebody else to replace you essentially. And we want to pay Sam Merrill. So they paid Sam Arrow and then they traded Isaac Okoro for Lonzo Ball to be there. We see the trade that they just made to move on from Darius Garland. Now a quick move for Colby Altman here to move on from Lonzo Ball. Sometimes you just go hard too early and too fast and just like. What's his name, Alex from season 49 of Survivor, who looks a lot like Kobe Altman. You go too hard, too fast and it's time, it's time to cut the cord. They look like they look so much alike, but he's cutting the cord. Good for them. Good for them. Good for the Cavs to move on and do something. Because Lonzo, I don't know if he's going to play for any other team. I shouldn't say that. Maybe Charlotte will sign him, but he's not going to play beyond the season or not going to get a big contract beyond the season. It feels like Lonzo has, unfortunately, because of injuries, his better days are. They're gone. They're long, long gone.

[Jay Skeets]

Apologies if one of you guys said this. I was busy checking something. But the Cavs, you know, they obviously ship out Lonzo Ball because not playing, not healthy, whatever. They also wanted to convert two way contract of Neuqua Tomlin into a standard NBA contract. So now they can do that with that roster spot open. So that's part of that. And that's why that weird graphic we had there, it was a three team deal, but the Cavs sort of just opening up a spot.

[Tas Melas]

Look, Lonzo's been playing.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tas Melas]

He's just not. He's just not. Right. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

And look, I was upset when the Bulls traded Lonzo for Isaac. Okoro didn't get any picks back. It was the right move. Okoro has been better than Lonzo.

[Jay Skeets]

Right?

[Tas Melas]

Right. There you go. Way to eat your words.

[Trey Kirby]

Hey, we all make mistakes.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, we do.

[Jay Skeets]

We did an emergency podcast yesterday so we can circle back to this one. The Mavericks trading Anthony Davis to the Washington Wizards. You can go back and listen to our 30 minute podcast. We jumped on soon after the news. It was a biggie. This one had a lot of players being moved. Anthony Davis, Jaden Hardy, d' Angelo Russell, who's tied at the hip with AD Dante Exum. There's another Australian. Get him down to the Hawks. They all went to the Wizards in exchange for Chris Middleton, AJ Johnson, Malachi Bronham, Marvin Bagley III. Two first round picks, one in 26 by way of OKC. So that's the end of the first round and then a 20, 30 first round pick by way of the warriors. But it's top 20 protected, and then three second round picks in 26, 27, and 29, all from different teams. Who gives a. Any other thoughts, though? Sounded like we were understanding the reasoning here from both teams. Maybe a little shocked that the Wizards were going with AD after they got Trey Young here and they feel like, okay, we got something now because we got all our young talent. We didn't have to send any of it really out. A.J. johnson, besides A.J. johnson. Yeah. Any more thoughts, TK if I'm not.

[Trey Kirby]

Mistaken, Kevin Pelton gave the Mavericks a better grade for this trade than he did for for the Wizards, which I thought was kind of interesting because no doubt the Wizards got the best player. They didn't have to pay a huge fee for it.

[Jay Skeets]

No.

[Trey Kirby]

Basically, two picks that are gonna likely be in the 20s, or I guess they have to be in the 20s. I mean, it's an okay pick and a 21 through 30. So that, to me, is not giving up very much to get a guy in. Anthony Davis, who is an impact maker when he plays, he's an if healthy guy, of course, as everyone knows. And the fit is kind of interesting with Trey Young because Trey Young, to me is best in the pick and roll. He's one of the best pick and roll players there, but he needs a lob guy, whether it be Collins, Clint Capella, I mean, I would say Porzingis, but I think they played maybe two games together. But that's the type that fits well with Trey Young. Somebody to suck in the defense and allow him to kind of like do his dance where he's like, am I going to shoot a floater or am I going to to pull a lob here? Anthony Davis isn't a big roller. I don't think SAR is a big roller. They're both more pick and pop focused. So I wonder how that will work out. I know people are concerned that giving all these touches to Trey and to AD means less touches for Trey Johnson, for Keyshawn George. I. I think SAR is kind of the biggest beneficiary of there's another guy to help on the defensive end, and he doesn't have to be the only interior scorer for this team. But I still like it. Like, I think you can't win 20 games forever. You got to take a step forward a little bit. I do think that they will give contracts to Trey and to AD, but maybe they get a good deal on them. They don't pay crazy max prices on either of them. And then by the time they're ready to move on in their careers, Trey Johnson, Sar Key, Sean George, all these guys have been built up and are ready to actually take the reins as the lead guy for the Wizards. I think that's got to be the vision for the new front office there. So I'm in. I like it for Washington.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I agree. I think next year is a big trial for everybody involved. I don't think they give Anthony Davis an extension this off season just because he's Anthony Davis. He's got a year guaranteed after this season. That's your trial. I know rich ball and clutch sports are going to say, hey, this guy is X and X, he's been announced there. He's a Hall of Famer, he's a top 75. Let's give him a monster extension. But I don't think the Wizards front office is tied to that at all. This is a new era of front offices that are smarter and understand that you don't have to just sign a guy because the Wizards aren't necessarily a free agency destination. Get that? But they're going to do what's right for their books. And Trae Young, I think could get an extension this offseason just because it feels like he will could be had for a much better deal, which is. Which isn't close to the max, you know, far cheaper than the max. So I think that could be done. But as far as Anthony Davis goes, you have to see him play basketball, and that's the biggest thing. So him alongside it. Alexar, where they, you know, are both the four and the fives. I think that bodes well. We'll see what both Trae Young, Trey Johnson, Keyshawn George, they can all. They can all rotate the ball and I think they'll be good to have that trial. And let's say they don't extend Anthony Davis. Let's just say that it was a late first round pick, nearly a second round pick. Plus, you know, the Golden State warriors one, which is protected one through 20 for a year and a half of Anthony Davis. I think that's totally fine.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm with it. I mean, like Trey Young and Anthony Davis, they just got them for honestly, next to nothing. So give it a go. Try and help your younger guys get some winning basketball under them and maybe get into play ins and playoff series. I mean, I'm getting ahead of myself, but like start playing meaningful games here for a little bit more to help them and help Their growth, all the guys you listed, all their young guys who are talented, there's some real talent there, I think. And if it doesn't work and it blows up, like it's not like, oh damn, we just traded all of our draft capital. Like we are screwed now. Like they're not, they're not. So they saw an opening here. Obviously buy low on these guys who are all star level players when they're out there and I think it makes sense. As for the Mavs, we have like less than four hours before the deadline. We're still waiting on any news of like is Max Christie going to be moved or Najee Marshall or P.J. washington or Daniel Gafford. Do we think they're done here? Are they just continuing to like try and get maybe prospects or draft picks to move forward around Cooper Flag era?

[Trey Kirby]

I think they want the flexibility. I think the biggest thing for the Mavericks in this trade is getting off Anthony Davis's contracts, getting the flexibility. The picks are good. Just getting first round picks because they need something like that. You can throw those into a trade in the future. Look at. You could. If you got two first round picks, you can have your choice. Basically everybody else is only trading second rounders. Look at this. That's a first. Sure, almost as a second, but it's still a first. Nice. And then they of course save money. So yeah, I do think that basically every veteran on the Mavericks could be had today depending on what teams are willing to offer. Because the future is Cooper Flag. They're going to be building around him and they need all the flexibility and all the assets they can rather than trying to stay competitive next year, make it into a play in tournament or try and squeak in to the top six. So I think this is good for the Mavs. Just moving off of Davis is the right move.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I think the only guy that really jumps out to me as a possibility of moving in the next three hours is Klay Thompson. Really is the biggest one. I think Daniel Gaffer they keep around considering they just trade Anthony Davis, considering Derek Lively is out for the season. Daniel Gafford has a nice contract. Keep him around. You mentioned Max Christie. That guy's ballin'. I would keep him around if possible. Also a ridiculously fantastic contract for the next couple years. You know, you can get into your PJ Washington's, I guess that's a possibility. But Clay's, I think the number one guy that could be moved to a team that needs a guy who can put up 20 in one game.

[Jay Skeets]

Just see the Klay Thompson and Will Smith meme where he's just standing in the. In the living room, all cleared out on Fresh Prince. Just Clay standing there looking around. I mean, this guy went to the Dallas Mavericks thinking he was gonna maybe have another crack at a championship when he got there with Luca, and then that's flipped and AD and now he's gone. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Has anybody done a Will Smith meme of him standing in the Arctic? Did you. Have you seen the.

[Jay Skeets]

No, I'm not familiar with Smith went in the Arctic. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Okay.

[Tas Melas]

Okay.

[Jay Skeets]

For what reason? Learning.

[Tas Melas]

It's a new series.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, it's a show.

[Tas Melas]

It's a show. It's a show. It's show. Okay. It's a show. Yeah. He just learns about snow. Yeah. That was. It was cool to watch. But, yeah, when you said, yeah, I watched. Was like 35 minute. Each episode is 35 minutes. He goes and does different things. He went to the Amazon.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, he's a travel show. Okay.

[Tas Melas]

It's a travel show. Yeah. I should mention. Yeah, yeah. Amazon was all right. He touched a tarantula. Okay, go ahead.

[Trey Kirby]

Clay's expired. Next year. I think he gets traded. Maybe next year.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't think teams are going to want an entire season of Klay Thompson, though he has been better. He said the shots are going to start falling and he's been playing better, so that's cool for him. Also, we don't know very much about the draft. We know 2026 draft is good. People say 2027 draft, not quite as good. And we have seen the Wizards position themselves to stay bad this year.

[Justin Varier]

Year.

[Trey Kirby]

Get their 2026 pick. They currently are fifth in lottery odds, so they're getting that pick. You know they're going to get a good draft pick this season, but maybe not quite as good in 2027. We saw the same for the Jazz, currently sixth in draft odds. They're going to get their pick as long as they can stay. Bad enough. Top eight protected, as everybody knows. But they're still trying to draft in 2026, 2027. The Wizards aren't worried about it. The Jazz aren't worried about it. Tells me 2027 draft, nothing to be excited for.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, you're right. Everybody wants to get in this one or stay in this.

[Trey Kirby]

Stay in this one. Don't worry about it as much Next year. Maybe it's more like the recess Shay draft.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. The Mavericks must be pumped about the Shea Gilders Alexander injury news because the Pistons, they're coming for that number one record in the NBA, which means that the OKC pick would drop to 29. And that would mean that Anthony Davis turned into a 29th pick and a protected first round pick because business have the same number of losses as the OKC Thunder right now. And so with Shea, Gilders, Alexander being out most likely until the All Star Game, at least the All Star Game, The Pistons are 37 and 12 while the Thunder are 40 and 12. So maybe they can pass them, maybe they can tank.

[Jay Skeets]

A thon is fun to look at right now because we have so many teams that are all around the same record at the the top sort of bottom with sacramento the worst 12 and 40. And then pelicans, which is going to the hawks. They have 13 wins. The Pacers have 13 wins, the Nets have 13 wins, the Wizards have 13 wins. And then the Jazz are right there with 16 and Dallas at 19. And then here comes Milwaukee, here comes Memphis, potentially.

[Trey Kirby]

So here comes Chicago.

[Jay Skeets]

We got a hell of a race. Yeah, Chicago, man, they got some ground to make up. Man, they're too far up.

[Trey Kirby]

They waited too long to tank. What a surprise. Yeah, but I do like the new color coding that tank A thon has added the recent results for the lottery teams. If you win, your win gets turned red because it's bad.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

If you lose, it's green.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Nice little addition there to tankathon.com the only other deal I believe we haven't talked about that's happened over the last 24 hours is the 76ers dealing Jared McCain to the Thunder for draft picks. And you know, we talked about it on the end of yesterday's emergency pot on ad, but people are very high on this Thunder getting Jared McCain for virtually nothing.

[Tas Melas]

I think it's a fantastic deal for okc. After watching him his rookie season, the guy can absolutely get his own shot and score. Then he came into this season and got injured in training camp essentially, and he hasn't been able to get it together since. I mean, he has turned it around recently in 2026, but OKC is just cashing in here on a very, very capable player to come off their bench and score. It's a little like what AJ Mitchell does for them, but this is another guy who can score for them. So this is a fantastic, fantastic move for them for a late first round pick, which is the Houston Rockets of this season.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, the Thunder have to be encouraged that since 2026 started, McKay splits look a lot better. He's shooting better percentages from the field and from three. He doesn't look like he has the same quickness and pop that he had during those, what, he played like 23 games his rookie season or something like that, but he was flying all over the court. Doesn't look quite as quick right now. Looked a bit heavy, I thought, when he came back, but he's worked his way into shape and he has even less responsibility, I imagine with the Thunder. He's a smaller guy, like I said, not very quick. So he will be. There could be some problems, I think, defensively, but the Thunder is such an awesome defensive team that they can easily cover for Jared McCain. So this is a very worthy shot to use one of these random first round picks. You just have sticking around on a guy like Jared McCain.

[Jay Skeets]

Frazier here in the Stream team says might be a stretch, but this trade, Jared McCain going to the Thunder feels sort of similar to the Halliburton and Brunson exits from their first team.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Whoa.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, that would be great news for the Oklahoma City Thunder if he's that type of player. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, Brunson was carrying the Mavericks in the playoffs.

[Tas Melas]

In the playoffs.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes. You are going off a 20 game sample of Jared McCain, which was okay, by the way. I mean, he was the front runner for rookie of the year in a brutal class. I'm sorry he was, but it was.

[Trey Kirby]

23 games at the beginning of the.

[Tas Melas]

Listen, I love comparing things, but Brunson, not even close. Halliburton also not even close. Halliburton was sharing the ball with de' Aaron Fox in Sacramento and it was very different when he got traded for Demotta Sabonis. Very, very different scenarios here, but Jerry McCain can get a bucket. I mean, I'm sold on those 20 games.

[Jay Skeets]

Got something good here from Gergen, the Stream team. Hey, Tass, how do you find Will Smith in the Arctic? You look for the Fresh Prince. There it is.

[Tas Melas]

Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

Damn, it looks cold.

[Trey Kirby]

This show is called Pole to Pole.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

You didn't know what it was called in the background.

[Trey Kirby]

Pole with Will Smith.

[Jay Skeets]

Damn.

[Trey Kirby]

All right, so Eric Piakowski to Marching Gortot.

[Tas Melas]

Multiple. I've got Marching Gortha tweets for later.

[Jay Skeets]

This guy came prepared. I respect the hell of a test. All right, what we're going to do is take a quick break here and then when we come back, we'll talk a little bit of last night's games. We'll do Woah boy. We'll do Pick them. We'll wrap up the podcast for all the audio listeners and then we'll just kick it as we wait for more slots and more trades to hopefully come in.

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[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, of course.

[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Tas Melas]

Chef.

[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Jay Skeets]

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[Tas Melas]

Imagine that.

[Trey Kirby]

Imagine they say this is our last super bowl ever.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Would it be the biggest ratings in television history? Probably.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it already is.

[Trey Kirby]

I guess every super bowl probably is.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

I didn't know that was out. All right, I'll check it out. I Like Chuck.

[Jay Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

No.

[Jay Skeets]

No, no. Honestly, no. Haven't heard it from anybody here in the Classic Factory. We're having a party. Doing this. Hey, come on over to Grisham's. I think he's having people over. He.

[Trey Kirby]

He messaged?

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, he messaged. Okay, good.

[Jay Skeets]

You're in on that?

[Tas Melas]

Good. It might. It's a little. Again. Anyways, I'm not going to talk about how late this game. This thing starts.

[Jay Skeets]

It's not that late. I know. I got a little kid.

[Trey Kirby]

Kids.

[Tas Melas]

My kids aren't staying up till 11.

[Jay Skeets]

Leave the kids at home.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I know you can do that.

[Jay Skeets]

Let them watch Pole to Pole with Will Smith.

[Trey Kirby]

Throw it on.

[Jay Skeets]

They'll be enthralled.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, they got some of the Amazon edition. The Amazon episode.

[Jay Skeets]

Cool tarantulas and stuff.

[Tas Melas]

Snakes.

[Trey Kirby]

Snakes.

[Tas Melas]

So many spiders. He was scared of them. Not my. Not my kids, Will. He was scared of the spiders.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, spiders. I would be. Snakes. Not as much, but not a fan of spiders. I'll be honest. You. Are you more afraid of snakes or spiders? You had to pick snakes.

[Trey Kirby]

I'll never kill a spider. They're helpful.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, they are.

[Tas Melas]

Great.

[Trey Kirby]

I like it. Like we had. When we used to live in our apartment, we had a spider that, no joke, was this big.

[Jay Skeets]

I remember that.

[Trey Kirby]

Remember, it was always up, way up. Laura was always like, we got to kill that thing. I was like, that thing kills so many bugs for us.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

It was here before us. It'll be here long.

[Jay Skeets]

It was in a. It was in a spot. Like you had, like, that part of your house. House was like. Our apartment was high, high ceilings. It was so. It was up there, but it wasn't coming down.

[Trey Kirby]

It was keeping it itself and we were keeping it ourself.

[Jay Skeets]

You think it ever came down during night, like, made itself a sandwich and stuff?

[Trey Kirby]

I like to think about it. Turn on the tv.

[Jay Skeets]

What do you think?

[Trey Kirby]

A spider watches Foldable? Yeah, probably. It's a hit.

[Jay Skeets]

See, his. Like, his relatives is like, oh, I know that guy. Okay, where are we? Let's talk about last night's games.

[Trey Kirby]

We got no slop. Where's the slop at?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, there's very little slop right now. But we had some good games last night. The Knicks outlasted the Nuggets in a game that would never end. 134 to 127 in double overtime. 8th straight victory for the Knicks. Brunson scored 42. Carl Anthony Towns got stitches as I got blown up there. Just popped open. He had blood all over his jersey when he shot the free throws. But yeah, entertaining game. Nuggets lose a. Lose a close one here in double overtime. Any thoughts?

[Tas Melas]

They keep going forward with the rotation. They keep fighting through Christian Brown. I thought coming back looked good, looked like his athletic self. That's fantastic news for them. They keep fighting. They keep fighting. And Peyton Watson, I hope that three point shot that we all saw here as such a primary guy with everybody out, continues to keep going down. Those are my only real things to say about that particular game.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Rough three point shooting for the starters of the Nuggets. Got some help from the bench. Tim Hardaway Jr. Was great, but yeah, one of 13 from deep for Jokic.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. And he had some great looks.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

In the fourth quarter, I think. Did he also miss a free throw in the fourth quarter? Yeah, one for two at the line. He was just missing shots that he makes a lot. He could have won the game multiple times, it looked like, but, you know, still a little rusty. And I get, yes, at least according to the broadcast. They're like, he was only supposed to play 20 minutes tonight and then he ended up playing 44 and a half minutes. Didn't come out at all during overtime, either of the overtimes. Played nine and a half minutes in the fourth quarter. That's how you handle a minutes restriction. He's like, yeah, pull me off. I'm stronger than you that you can get me off the court. I doubt it. David Adelman's son, Rick Adelman. Yeah, Rick Adelman's son, David. They got an interesting decision though. Nuggets paid Christian Brown and he was the better player than Peyton Watson up until this season. And Peyton Watson has surpassed him as he is now entering into his free agency. Very tough for the Nuggets to pay him. So I wonder what they're going to end up doing with him because Watson looks like a real player in that he can be a good defender, but also can do some stuff on his own offensively, which, you know, Brown is definitely more dependent on others to create for him. I don't think he's a guy that can really go get his own bucket the same way that Watson can. So that's going to be interesting because that guy is going to be very desirable in the free agent market. Like the Lakers have been like, linked to Peyton Watson. They need a young, athletic guy like that. I think he also probably has LA ties. I think he played at ucla, if I'm not mistaken. So I'm curious what the Nuggets are going to end up doing that's a problem for the summer. Right now they just got to get Christian Brown back up to speed, hope Cam Johnson and Aaron Gordon come back, and most importantly, that Aaron Gordon can stay healthy for the stretch run.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, Cam Johnson is an interesting one too. Should be coming back soon. But Peyton Watson literally can do a lot of things that Cameron Johnson would hope to do for the Denver Nuggets. So I wonder going into this off season, it's a good, it's a good point about Peyton Watson and what he's meant to this team recently. Now it's, it's a short window, but he has looked so good. He is so locked in defensively, he's so long. He was able to play with against so many guys like Jaylen Brown was able to just stay down and really affect the offensive player into thinking, I can't shoot. This guy's altering his shots. So I don't know. I bring up Cam Johnson because as much as I liked him in that trade for Michael Bore Jr. He's got only one year guaranteed beyond this one. And he hasn't shown it for the Denver Nuggets quite yet, which is odd to say because he's done it in such a great supporting role, going all the way to the NBA Finals. But Peyton Watson's literally been playing better than him. Unfortunately for Cam Johnson, Jokic has been.

[Jay Skeets]

Back for four games now. He returned against the Clippers, which they did win, but these next three were against very stiff competition and they were all losses. They lost to the Thunder at home. Then they went to Detroit and lost to the Pistons in a close one, one that we talked about the other day. And then they lose this double overtime game to the Knicks. I just wonder like, did Yokich see this part of the schedule? It's like, I'll get back, have that game to ramp up, try and win some of these. Unfortunately, they don't win them all. So you're like, oh damn, we could have sat him for another three or four games that they were going to be L's anyway. But maybe he came back to also still have availability or a chance at the, the actual MVP and all NBA selections. They still could get in there. I don't think think he generally cares about that stuff, but maybe it was just how it all timed out.

[Tas Melas]

But as Trey Was. Was saying earlier, that guy's just tough, man. I mean, I think he'll play every single game.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, he left this game with, like, knee problems, which was like, oh, yeah, scary.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He came back and played 44 and a half minutes. That was ridiculous. He looked rusty. I think he had a great first game. But six turnovers against okc. They generate a ton of turnovers. Five turnovers against Detroit. And then like last night, we were saying, just couldn't make a shot at all.

[Tas Melas]

All. He's not right. That's for sure. One other funny thing that happened in this game, the ESPN broadcast had former Nuggets coach Michael Malone on the desk. And at halftime, after Jamal Murray went off for 20 in the first quarter and only four in the second quarter, he said, if I was coach David Alan, I would have played him earlier in the second quarter. Just called him out. I don't know if that's a dig at.

[Jay Skeets]

And I was.

[Tas Melas]

But the guy who took my job should have played Jamal Murray earlier in the second quarter because he only had four points in the second quarter. But as you say about. As we all say about Jokic not looking right. Jamal Murray has obviously looked fantastic this season, but they're playing him a lot. Just. Just have to note that he has been their guy. While Nikic was out, as good as Pton Watson has been, as good as the second unit has been, that guy's got to rest at some point. I guess he will when everybody can come back. Yeah, to some degree.

[Trey Kirby]

On the other side, Andrew Shamit's been playing really well. 16 last night for the Knicks, 14 in the game prior. 23 prior to that. He was a guy that was like, dusted off in the playoffs last year, but kind of has become an essential piece to this Knicks team. He's gotten a lot more minutes as Jordan Clarkson has started to fade from the rotation. Though I do think Clarkson maybe even started last night. Kind of. Kind of out of nowhere, but shame. It's been good for them.

[Tas Melas]

So good.

[Trey Kirby]

He's definitely helpful. The shooting and. And I mean, he's got a little bit of size. He's not like a big guy, but he's not six feet tall, you know.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, yeah. He throws his body around defensively even though he's slight. Yeah, he's been big for the second unit.

[Jay Skeets]

And Clarkson did start, you're right. Only played 24 minutes in a double overtime game, but got the start, played well. I mean, hit good shots. 5, 7 from the field and. But this was like a nice Reminder sometimes. Every once in a while I was like, oh yeah. Jalen Brunson, man. God damn. Like we hadn't seen it in a while. We hadn't talked about it in a while. Yeah. Just like, oh God. He's. He's okay. He's still got it. So that was a great game last night. Another one notable outcome was Anthony Edwards scoring 30 as the Wolves rallied for their fifth win in six games. Beat the Raptors 1 28, 126. So they came back and Minnesota won in Toronto for the first time since January 21, 2004.

[Tas Melas]

That's unbelievable.

[Jay Skeets]

Before we were doing this show, did.

[Trey Kirby]

You know each other?

[Jay Skeets]

Yes, we did. We knew each other in college. 100 we did indeed. But it's a long ass time ago. Maybe we were at the game. For all I know we had season tickets. Wouldn't know.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Maybe not.

[Jay Skeets]

That was too early for me.

[Tas Melas]

For you?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. I could have been there.

[Jay Skeets]

You were there to see Kevin Garnett beat the Raptors in 04.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. This is one stat that I was unaware of. I just, I didn't realize.

[Jay Skeets]

It's crazy.

[Tas Melas]

Super long.

[Jay Skeets]

And it's not like the Raptors have been like elite team for 20 years or even the Wolves have been all that bad for 20 years. Now the. Now the Wolves did beat them in Tampa. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Loophole. Yeah, yeah.

[Tas Melas]

Disgusting year. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

We don't talk about that year.

[Tas Melas]

Practicing in ballrooms. Yeah, of course that year. Crap for the Toronto Raptors and Segue. It's been pretty crap in fourth quarters for the Toronto Raptors recently. It's been bad.

[Jay Skeets]

Bad.

[Tas Melas]

It has been extremely bad. They just can't beat good teams.

[Jay Skeets]

Nope.

[Tas Melas]

They're 1 in 12 against teams that are in the top 10 of net rating overall. Period. And recently it's been bad. Yeah. The Knicks, Magic and the Wolves the last three of their four games. They just can't close games as they don't know where the ball needs to be. Or maybe I shouldn't say needs to be, but. But has to be. The ball is not in Barnes or Brandon Ingram's hands enough in the fourth quarter. It's going around the horn way too much. And it's mainly Jamal Shed and RJ Barrett to blame in this particular game that they had four turnovers combined in that quarter. Six overall Raptor turnovers in that quarter. This is a game they shot 48% from three and they still lose. They just don't know where their fourth quarter offense is. Is running, it's going through. And so that's the. The bad thing here. That has to change completely. Although, you know, as a. An NBA fan, watching Anthony Edwards close this game out and talking trash to Toronto Raptors fans, incredible stuff, but they needed that guy to do that because the Raptors are a very good team. They're good to get up double digits against good teams, but they just can't close things out. It takes forever to watching every single possession. Takes forever to get to Ingram and Barnes. But the Wolves now, with their new addition of IO Dasuma there, they got some depth. They only played two guys off the bench in this game. They only played Nazride and Bones Island. Now it's good for them that they've got obviously, IO to help up.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm glad you brought up Ant. Talking shit with the crowd. That was great because he air balls a shot, too. And, you know, the Raptors fans were getting on him and maybe they were feeling good because it looked like they were going to close it out. But then he came back and like, he was elite in the fourth quarter, and it was glaring to see him doing that as a, like, get on my back. I'll get us across the finish line. When you compare it to sort of how the Raptors play, and on one hand you're like, no, play that way. That's good basketball. Everybody touch it, move it around. But it is a funny thing about the NBA. It's like you can do that for 45 minutes, and then you sort of need, in those final three minutes, a dog, a guy, to go get your shot and live and die with it. Maybe it's not the best shot attempt at all time, at all times, but he's your guy. And Ingram's done it before, and Barnes to some extent. But, yeah, Ant was awesome. I was actually, like, smiling watching my team lose because I sort of like this guy so much. He's like, there's very few guys where I'm like, we lose that game. And I'm like, all right. That was sort of cool. He sort of just kicked our ass down the stretch.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes, he did.

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[Trey Kirby]

Thirteen points in the four, three steals. Had that great block block as well. He looked awesome. And I mean, the Raptors turnovers were brutal. Yeah, these were not, like, great defense by the Timberwolves. I think, like, Rudy Gobert picked a guy on the perimeter. Some of the passes were just, like, thrown straight to the turnover to the Timberwolves. Seven turnovers in the fourth for the Raptors. They also gave up four offensive rebounds. This is why coaches, during the Clutch time are like, we're just going to give the ball to our best player and let him get a shot up. Because getting a shot up is better than.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, the Wolves defense was just ready for every single pass and they're ready to play in a fourth quarter. The passes from Shed and RJ Barrett, who had a bad game overall, it were easily, easily. You know where they're going, everybody knows where they're going. So that was easy for them to pick off.

[Jay Skeets]

Any other games you wanted to touch on from last night or you want me to pivot to Woboy here?

[Trey Kirby]

Spurs got a win, beat the Thunder. Thunder had nobody, literally nobody playing. I think Boston and Houston was at least, least a little bit interesting because Houston had most of their guys going. You know, Shangoon was out there, Durant was out there, Amen Thompson. And they just could not score in the second half. 51 points combined in the second half for Houston, and that's with them shooting a pretty decent percentage, 51% from the field. But they just looked completely outclassed, I thought, by the Celtics.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, it was Nicola Vucevic watching his team play because those bigs were playing some hard defense. Namius Keita and Luca Garza were moving those feet and that's what Vuchovic has to do if they're going to go to a championship. The Rockets defense, I mean, there's no Jalen Brown in this game. There's no Sam Houser in this game.

[Trey Kirby]

13 offensive rebounds for the Celtics in the second half against a giant team.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, they let White get off a little bit. So yeah, that was a. A good win for the Celtics willing to fight. Hey, it's a good win for the Milwaukee Bucks too. They go into overtime and they win. Their star, Yanis Te Kumpo is on the bench wearing his spectacles. I didn't know that he had those glasses, but he was out there. Then he went to the locker room. I do believe so. I was watching. That's the time to watch the tweets. Okay, the trade officially happened and he's done with this team, but he's out there supporting his team. Even though Trey Murphy had 44 in this game, they still win, surprisingly. Kevin Porter Jr. I know nobody wants to hear about how important important he is to Milwaukee Bucks, but he's back and he was important to the whole Giannis experiment this season. I call it experiment because he was really, really important. Another team that we thought was having a good experiment, the Sacramento Kings, not so much. They lose. Starting Levine DeRozan Westbrook, Sabonis and their new guy DeAndre Hunter. They just don't have it all together. And I thought what was interesting was Doug Christie, their coach post game said I'm aligned with the front office. We're going to play young guys the rest of the way or, or after the all star game. So that's gonna. I mentioned all those old guys. What are they going to do here? We got. We're hours away from the trade deadline. If nobody wants Levine or DeRozan or Westbrook or Sabonus, if they can't get rid of them, what are they going to do? Just sit.

[Jay Skeets]

How much, how much money would that be coming off the bench? Add all that up, 100 million plus plus easy.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, I don't know if they'd even come off the bench if Doug Christie is actually saying what they're going to do. They would just not play I assume.

[Jay Skeets]

Just come on.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, that's. It's odd. It's the whole thing's odd.

[Trey Kirby]

It doesn't matter. They've lost rate playing these guys.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Keep playing them.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. You might as well care.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah but the fans want to see some of their guys like get KN Clifford playing.

[Trey Kirby]

I saw Devin Carter last night.

[Tas Melas]

He played a lot.

[Jay Skeets]

Song love I little bite of the night sponsored by Brad Anderson. Australian guy. He said enjoy the dollary dues. That's what they call them down there in Australia. Australia. Thank you Brad for sponsoring. Whoa boy. And woah goes to Trey Murphy III Came in a loss but it doesn't matter. He scored a career high 44 points. Murph. Murph went 15 to 28 from the floor. He hit 1212 of 19 three pointers. Franchise records in both three point categories made and attempted in a game. Added six boards, six assists and a team high three steals. So if you were trying to trade for Trey Murphy III, it's going to cost you another couple first round picks and eight more second round picks and.

[Tas Melas]

$12 according to my sources.

[Trey Kirby]

How many dollar reduce and a lot.

[Tas Melas]

Of dollary dues but he missed that.

[Jay Skeets]

I wish it said dollary dues consideration instead of cash consideration.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah, and he missed a potential game winner at the end of regulation. It was very close at two point shot pick em.

[Jay Skeets]

You guys already alluded to it. We got a fun one between our two teams, Bulls and Raptors. Raptors favored by a lot. I have lost 11 straight pick em games. 11 straight. I can't be beat. So you know where I'm going. But where are you going? Tassel.

[Tas Melas]

Yeah. I'm jumping in.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melas]

The Raptors are bad against the top 10 teams in net rating. 1 in 12 against them. The Bulls aren't part of that category.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

All right.

[Trey Kirby]

It's a new look Bulls team.

[Tas Melas]

You never know. Yes.

[Trey Kirby]

Look who is playing.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Did you. Can you want to give us the roster?

[Trey Kirby]

Just want me to tell you who's.

[Jay Skeets]

I do.

[Trey Kirby]

Who's currently on the team.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah. Here's the Bulls roster.

[Trey Kirby]

Jaden Ivey, Isaac Okoro, Josh Giddey, Anthony Simons, Leonard Miller, Matas Bouzelis, Usman Jones Jang. Mac McClung. Yeah, Mac McClung is a bull. Rob Dillingham, Trey Jones, Colin Sexton, Noah Senge is out for the year. Gershon Yabuseli, Jalen Smith, Patrick Williams, Yuki Karamura, Lachlan Ulbricht and Zach Collins also hurt.

[Jay Skeets]

Holy crap. That was a lot of turnover. You listed a lot of new guys.

[Trey Kirby]

There's so many guards.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I wonder how many of these people Ayers will be on the team.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, tonight at the end of our.

[Trey Kirby]

Stream, I name like a hundred guys.

[Jay Skeets]

It feels like. God, I'd love to see Leonard Miller play in Toronto tonight for you. I don't know if he can make it that quick.

[Trey Kirby]

That'd be pretty quickly. I mean, they should have his jersey ready. He's giving his brothers.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's your new number. Good call. Okay, so we got the wraps to win by 10 or more. You know, back to back situation for them. Bulls coming in. Who knows who they're playing.

[Trey Kirby]

But I mean the good thing for Chicago, no scouting report.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Raptors aren't going to know what to.

[Jay Skeets]

Do with, I don't know, all these.

[Trey Kirby]

All these guards running around out there.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, so that's tonight's game. Let's see if I can extend my streak to 12 straight losses. And I will be paying off January's pick them loss a little bit closer to the actual deadline. When we get closer to 2 or 3pm Eastern here today. Today I will wear my costume. Yeah, I haven't. I haven't tried it yet.

[Tas Melas]

Sounds like you.

[Trey Kirby]

Hopefully it works, but I mean if it doesn't, it be funny too.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it'd be better if it works and I think it will. I got batteries going and everything, so. Yeah, we'll figure it out. All right.

[Tas Melas]

Is it too loud? That fan.

[Jay Skeets]

I didn't even test it. Oh, no, I did test it, actually. I did make sure the batteries worked. Yeah, it's not the quietest thing. Yeah.

[Tas Melas]

J, you're going to Hate it.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. I'm glad we didn't wear it. Who cares? It will be for the live stream. Who cares?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, it's not for the podcast. Okay. So, podcast listeners, the plan is we will be back tomorrow on Friday with the Drop podcast doing our winners and losers of the entire NBA trade deadline week. So we'll sort of round up everything, throw some thumbs up and down on who we think were the big winners and losers. So let's hear from you and your thoughts on that, and we'll talk about some of tonight's game games, because they are playing basketball still tonight. So that's tomorrow at 10am Eastern. Otherwise, if you're on YouTube right now, don't go anywhere. We'll sign off here on the pod and we're gonna stick around for the next four or five hours or so. Let's go. It is quiet in these slop streets right now.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, no doubt. Shams is probably getting makeup done right now, getting ready for some TV appearances. We need something to happen. Basically, everybody woke up from their sleeps last night. They said, deal still on. All right, call it in. Call in the trades. We talk about these ones. Get back on the phones for the next three hours.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[Trey Kirby]

Hopefully we get some trickles here.

[Jay Skeets]

Look, lots of hours still before the actual trade deadline. So thanks for joining us, podcast listeners. We'll see you tomorrow. Until then, Clipper Bros, you heard it here first.

[Trey Kirby]

Have a great time. Turn up. Love you guys. Awesome.

[Tas Melas]

Thanks for joining us. And remember, the Olympics always start early. As we said yesterday, they start a couple days before the opening ceremonies. And that might be something that we try and stream here in the coming hours. There could be more curling. Although there was curling problems yesterday here in curling. The lights went out just five minutes into the first set of mixed doubles matchups. Multiple throws were in motion when this happened. Oh, Cortina. What's going on there?

[Jay Skeets]

Damn.

[Tas Melas]

I guess they.

[Jay Skeets]

What did they do? Do you reach? Do you reshoot them? That's.

[Trey Kirby]

You got to slide that thing back down there.

[Jay Skeets]

Put the rocks back, the stones back. Yeah, it was close. It was close to that line. Yeah. I don't know what they did. Luckily, it happened early, I guess five minutes in. What a start to the Olympics.

[Trey Kirby]

Great start. And I saw. Was there also like a. Like a hockey game was delayed because both sides are sick?

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I think there was a one.

[Trey Kirby]

It was messed up.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, yeah, Women's hawk.

[Jay Skeets]

Saw there was a Canadian. I think he was a snowboarder I think a loser.

[Tas Melas]

I. I thought there was only curling.

[Jay Skeets]

L. No, this was practice. This was practice. Somebody got hurt, though. Somebody got pretty severely hurt. But it was one of the. I think it was.

[Tas Melas]

Oh, these are. Yeah, these could be warm ups. These are warm ups. Yeah, I think hockey was too. Okay, that's. That's what I want.

[Jay Skeets]

Olympics off to a hot start. All right, guys, we will see you here on YouTube. Bye.

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