Trey Kirby (2:16)

Yeah, quite neon. I'm glad I face away from it. I got squinty enough eyes as it is.

Joe (2:20)

Yeah, Trey. I mean, or Tass and I might have to start wearing sunglasses in here. Just when we look over in your direction, it is quite bright. Don't look right at it. But great stuff. Fun one lined up for you today. We're going to play a little Is this news. Got some headlines for the guys, but that's later in the show and we usually start by recapping a few of last night's games. And my God, we got to start with the Chicago Bulls, who erased a 24 point deficit, the largest comeback win this season to defeat the 76ers on a go ahead corner three from Vucci Baby, with three seconds remaining to steal the 113, 111 victory. And it was set up by Josh Giddy with a beautiful dime TK into the corner to V. JD Roll that beautiful Bulls footage.

Trey Kirby (3:08)

The Bulls are back. Incredible play by Giddy right here at the end of the fourth quarter after an incredible comeback by the Bulls. Finding Vuch in the corner with the lefty wraparound pass. Only the second three point attempt from the corner on the season for Vucovich. Great call by Billy Donovan to put him there. Knowing Embiid was going to come down and help vouch for whatever reason. Knocks down clutch threes. He was 50% in the clutch from three last season, 100% from three in the clutch this season. One for one. But I got to start by filling out a Josh Giddy apology form. This guy is straight up hooping back to back triple doubles for the first time for the Bulls since Michael Jordan in the 1980s. Finished with 29 points, 15 boards, 12 assists. The rebounding is awesome and I gotta say the shooting is holding up so far like 45% from 3. But the biggest improvement to me is he realized he's 6 foot 8, 70% at the rim for Giddy this season he's getting there more often. He's taken almost twice as many free throws as he ever has in his career. He's gotten a lot stronger. He's gotten a lot more comfortable playing through contact and he's got a lot more patient as well. Fanduel has him as the favorite for mip right now. Plus 320 by quite a ways. I think the next the next best odds are for Denny Abdian. He's at plus 1100. So Giddy is the guy right now. And when the Bulls were five and oh, it was literally Boozelis was the favorite. So the Bulls are. The Bulls are rolling right now, but it was a great performance from them. The defense really turned around in the second half. Philadelphia hit nine threes in the first half. Maxi looked completely unstoppable, but just 2 for 13 in the second half, including a 4 for 22. Fourth quarter from the Sixers. Their offense just completely disintegrated into stagnation and we can get into a little bit of the why, but we gotta talk about how great the Bulls are first.

Joe (4:59)

What do you think?

Doug (5:00)

Yeah, that end of game was hilarious in that it was just kind of helter skelter with the Sixers unable to score. And then you saw Matas Bouzel's going on the other end. He tried to make a beautiful drive and score, but Embiid was there to block him. Then the next possession, he said, all right, I'll make up for that. He tried to back and throw down a huge dunk. Basically consecutive possessions with two minutes left. But Tyrese Maxey came in and swept that ball away. Then on the other end, Joel and B. Just look like those minutes were catching up to the older guy at the other. Vuch was able to just poke it away from him and. And B just kind of fell to the floor like, I can't get this friggin thing. Several minutes. Was it almost six minutes of them not scoring a field goal.

Joe (5:40)

Yeah, that's right. They had a couple free throws in there. Yeah.

Trey Kirby (5:42)

Didn't score, period. The last four minutes.

Doug (5:44)

Yeah. And I loved how Vuch had. After the game, was interviewed and was asked about the three. Obviously his first comment was that ball was shot pretty high. I mean, he. He, I guess doesn't shoot quarter threes. Wasn't ready to have such a short three. Cause he put it up, way up high. But he was also just disappointed in that. They got down 24 points and started talking about how they should start games better. Uh, and just a wild. That literally a wild ending to that game. Well, the Sixers again, like you said, Maxi was awesome. Oh, my God.

Joe (6:17)

I thought he was going for like 50 or 60 easily in this game if you were watching the first half.

Doug (6:21)

Yeah. So I was surprising when they didn't score those last six minutes. They're unable to, especially Maxi. And I was okay with the design by Nick Nurse to give Quentin Grimes a wide open 3. Wide open to try and win this thing. While many are complaining, oh, Tyrese Maxey should get the ball. And they literally put him way in the backcourt. Be a decoy. So they inbound from the sideline. Here you go, Quinton Grimes. Here's an open three. He was, I guess he was 0 for 2 in the fourth at that.

Trey Kirby (6:48)

Point, but over five from three on the night as well. Grimes, I didn't actually think play a very good game. He was kind of frantic, but he was wide open from the top of the key. So a good play from Nick Nurse, but Philly's offense just in the fourth quarter. It was all trying to ISO and getting away from the up tempo stuff that was working for him in the first half. The Embiid minutes restriction, it really threw off Philadelphia. I thought he subbed out with five minutes left in the third quarter, came back with five minutes left in the fourth quarter because he was only trying to get to. He finished with 25 minutes. That's what he's supposed to play. But like that's 12 minutes of game time. How much of that is real time? Like 40 minutes.

Joe (7:28)

Probably close.

Trey Kirby (7:29)

That's a long time to sit for a guy who's trying to get his stamina back, get back in the flow of things to come in and go at V, you know. Lockdown. Vuch Mode held EmbiID to 005 in the fourth quarter. And every shot looked like a force from Embiid. Not to mention the times that Vouch was able to poke it away and just be more active and in better shape really than Embiid. So it felt like the Bulls pace won out again in the end. Cuz I thought Maxi looked pretty gassed in the fourth quarter. He couldn't get to the rim either. He was taking pull up jumpers. A couple of them were wide open. Still bricked him off. But that's how the Bulls have been winning their fourth quarter. Defensive rating is insane. Their clutch rating, they're giving up like 70 points per 100 possessions or something like that. I mean it helps when you hold a scoreless for five minutes.

Joe (8:12)

Yeah, it does. But man, Giddey was awesome to go back to him because he had the crepe play at the end. That pass was amazing with the left hand to Vuch in the corner. He did it prior in the game where he split like the defense with a left handed pass, I think it was to Jalen Smith in the first half to the opposite end of the floor. Same corner but, but same beautiful dime. And that's a good point about like him like figuring out oh yeah, I'm a big boy here because he's doing the thing now where he'll run the pick and roll and like he'll let the guy like get on his hip and doesn't affect him because he's huge. He's much bigger than most of the guards that are sort of guarding him and he's okay with that. He's doing like that little Chris Paul thing. Okay, where are you? Oh, you're right there. And then he's going. Cause he's not like, he's not an explosive athlete by any means. Like, I think he's got a motor to him, but he's not like super quick first step, but using the size, obviously seeing over the defense, it's got great touch. He had that little floater that like sort of kissed around to set up. Then obviously the three in the corner, that was a big bucket. Awesome game. The Bulls seem like they're for real here. They've earned victories over the Knicks, the Sixers, now the Hawks, the Magic, the Pistons. These are all teams that most people had above the Bulls heading into the season and maybe one or two of them will be by the end, but right now they're for real.

Doug (9:25)

Yeah, I like the way Billy Donovan is. He pulled Matthew zealous twice in the first quarter because he wasn't playing defense after just several minutes. Not even, not even five minutes. You're off. And then he brought him back one more minute. Trending Watford easily went by him because he sagged way too much on a ball handoff and he said, you're off too. You're off again. So that the fact that they're trying to push them and the fact that the Sixers came out and were scoring pretty easily, scoring every two of three shots in that first quarter, but they were able to fight back and Vuch upset about it, as I mentioned, and they were lucky. Yeah, that MB just looked old and going over five in that fourth quarter because that's just there are games and.

Joe (10:08)

They just kept running the same play over and over again. It's like, I get it, it's like your two best players, but it was not materializing in points. Like maybe try something else at that point. But he looks so slow and they're.

Doug (10:19)

Trying to increase his minutes a little bit. He's played in 25 minutes now. This is his second time. Essentially it was 20 minutes as a max minutes restriction. But it doesn't seem to be going well in those last few minutes, if I'm not mistaken.

Trey Kirby (10:33)

I mean, yeah, he looked great in the first half. He was dominating in the first half and was like playing in the flow of the offense and looked quick enough to keep up with the smaller guys. You know, they didn't get much from Edgecombe. Jared McCain came back, struggled, just struggled. Yeah, well, he went scoreless trying to get his legs under him, but I just felt like that rest was so long. Like how do you get ramped back up to go in the fourth quarter and like be the go to guy with. When you've been sitting for that long. So I mean, I don't know what they're supposed to do in that situation. You're going to want him beat on the court if he's got five minutes left. But tough stuff to keep going at him time and time again and he just couldn't get by Vuch. He couldn't move him and he couldn't go around him. So he was just shooting over the top and he didn't have the touch.

Joe (11:14)

We also had another legend return last night in Chicago. Red Panda. Red Panda was back on the basketball court with her eight foot unicycle and.

Trey Kirby (11:24)

All of her bowles wearing the 45 Jordan jersey.

Joe (11:28)

Coming the comeback on Brand. She wasn't on a Bulls restriction, was she? You don't gotta do that. I thought it wasn't that bad. No, it was good.

Doug (11:39)

Well, it's funny because this is her first NBA game of the season.

Trey Kirby (11:42)

That's right.

Doug (11:42)

That's right. But she's been elsewhere.

Joe (11:44)

Well, she got injured, right.

Doug (11:46)

In July.

Joe (11:46)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (11:46)

She was playing minor league baseball in July.

Doug (11:48)

Was she in minor league baseball? She was other places too, I think.

Joe (11:51)

Tougher to ride a unicycle on grass I would think. Or on dirt.

Trey Kirby (11:56)

Interesting. But it would be easier. Probably a good place to train.

Joe (12:00)

Yeah.

Doug (12:01)

Where I'm seeing her is in a studio. Maybe it was the Amazon studio that she was doing. I forget where she was. I think you're right. She was.

Trey Kirby (12:08)

She did something opening week, but this.

Doug (12:10)

Was her first NBA game. It was great to see her back.

Joe (12:13)

Crap Pop, man. Absolutely. Anything else on your Bulls here?

Trey Kirby (12:17)

Yeah, I mentioned it during an ad read yesterday. The bulls on FanDuel were -134 I think to make the playoffs in the Eastern conference. It's now minus 152.

Joe (12:28)

Oh wow, wow, wow.

Trey Kirby (12:29)

Yeah.

Joe (12:31)

And you're getting more and more concerned or no, now come on man.

Trey Kirby (12:34)

I'm buying it more and more.

Joe (12:39)

Oh, I'm becoming a giddy believer.

Trey Kirby (12:42)

Vooch is an all star right now. It's unbelievable times in Chicago. It is November 5th. You know it's November 5th, but 72 and 10 still on the table.

Joe (12:53)

It's amazing. What a comeback. And not only did they come back to win. This is your team of course, but you covered in the pickup too, like oh my God. A back breaking loss. Really for task. Who's on a bit of a slide right now. But that one's got to hurt even extra hard because they're up 24 points and then they still lose by the two.

Doug (13:11)

Which covered for The Bulls back breaking for sure. That's fitting. I was lying on the ground on Monday's show. But we've got a great gift for whoever loses.

Joe (13:22)

Yeah.

Doug (13:22)

Because the fans will enjoy it.

Joe (13:24)

I think so.

Doug (13:24)

Yeah.

Joe (13:25)

I don't know if our families will, but our question. The fans will. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what? We'll tease it. We'll tell you on Friday. Friday show will tell you what the pick and payoff will be for the month of November.

Trey Kirby (13:35)

Here's a tiny tease.

Joe (13:36)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (13:36)

I told my family yesterday what it was so that they would have a month to prepare for the eventuality that it may happen.

Joe (13:43)

Okay.

Trey Kirby (13:43)

And they were upset.

Joe (13:45)

Really?

Trey Kirby (13:45)

All three of the ladies in my house. You can't do this.

Joe (13:49)

Yeah.

Doug (13:50)

I told.

Joe (13:50)

No, I told Nora, and she wasn't happy about it. She maybe didn't react as harshly as yours did. Have you told Danny yet?

Doug (13:56)

No, I have, but you really. You really can't prepare anyone for it. It's like playing basketball on a practice court. You can't really get used to it until you're in there. Right. And then I'm sure people out there don't understand what I'm saying, but it really is something that has to be seen before you can really understand.

Joe (14:14)

True, true, true.

Doug (14:15)

I've been there before. I've been there before. I filmed my wife Danielle reacting to what we're doing. Man. I'm flashing back. The year was 2014.

Joe (14:25)

I think we're building this too much. I'm gonna be very disappointed out there when you find out what we're doing. Okay, let's move on to the Orlando Magic in Atlanta to play the hawks. Hawks win 127, 112. So good win from them. No Trey Young, he's still out. But the story from this one was Desmond Bane losing his cool and getting tossed from the game. He had a flagrant one foul for the initial foul on a Kongwu here, but then a technical was added after he straight up spikes the ball off a Kongwu's head and you add those up and they say you're out of here. And he was not happy about it, but Desmond Bing, gone. And not a great performance here from the Magic at all.

Doug (15:08)

Oh, absolutely.

Joe (15:08)

Pretty brutal.

Doug (15:10)

If you're looking for a little. Little bright spot, maybe this is something that gets them going to some degree. It's not cool to just spike a ball on somebody, and I think that's essentially what got him tossed. As you said, they kind of add it all up, but this team doesn't look Good rotating. Defensively, this team doesn't look good. Just shooting the three ball, as we know, turning it over over and over. Maybe their pace, that has changed since last year. They've become such a faster paced team. Last year they're 29th. This year they're fifth currently. It's a very, very different looking squad. They need something to spark them. There's no doubt about that. On the other side. It's exactly what you kind of expected with the Atlanta Hawks when Trae Young went out, that they would do it sort of by committee in terms of moving that thing. Dyson Daniels looking good out there, keeping that head up, ready for the Cutters. Zachary Ric Sachet doing extremely well doing that. Jalen Johnson, who I didn't mention when I thought they'd be doing it by committee and it would be Dyson Daniels along with Nikhil Alexander Walker. Here comes Keaton Wallace and Luke Canard. Jalen Johnson looked really good. He had two assists to cutters. One throwing it to the three like he was pretending to be Josh Giddey. Finding that in the corner. Then two other kind of garbage assists. All right, here you go. Three point shooter. Assists don't mean everything sometimes, but there's enough passers that this team looked really good together. And you get a Zachary Ric Sachet game where he's cutting everywhere and dropping 11 in the first quarter and 21 overall. It's a good squad. I know people are saying, well, they're better without Treun. That is untrue. However, they do play to their capabilities a little bit more, a little bit differently because they are decent passers. So that's what the Magic saw yesterday. Saw a good team. And this team, this. These two teams kind of have a good rivalry going. It's not quite Bucks Pacers, but they. They don't like each other really. This is twice the Hawks have beat this team twice already, right? This season. You'd think the Magic would be able to fight back, but keep turning over. Late rotations not looking good.

Trey Kirby (17:08)

Yeah, Desmond Bain wanted to fight. He got the Draymond Green Triple Crown on 1Play. Flagrant 1. A technical and an ejection. Yeah, that's amazing. It's hard to do that with one play. And look, if you would have just fouled him, I think it would have been fine.

Doug (17:19)

Yeah.

Joe (17:20)

Oh, yeah.

Trey Kirby (17:20)

And he yanks down and like you said, spiked the ball and then stood over him. You're out of here, buddy. And it didn't really matter because the Hawks dominated the Magic in this one. They could not. Orlando could not keep Dyson Daniels out of the lane. I thought he played awesome. Like, you're saying, best richache game of the season. He was cutting all over the place, running the court three for eight from three, knocking him down. When he got out there, it was offense by committee, six guys in double digits. The shot distribution is good. Like, nine shots. 11 shots. 11 shots, 14 shots. The ball was moving for sure. And I really liked what I saw from Mo Gay as well. He gave Paulo a ton of problems on the defensive end. He runs the court. He's going to get back on defense. Maybe he'll make a shot here and there, but his minutes have ticked up early in the season, and I think it's because of the effort and the length he brings on the defensive end. Hawks in transition, 23 to 16 in fast break points. It just looked like they could run the ball down the throats of the Magic anytime they wanted to.

Joe (18:16)

Yeah, when you look at the box. Course, I hate seeing Paolo and Franz not hitting a 3. So they're combined 0 for 7. And watching the games. I watched a lot of this one last night. I don't know if it's because of the slow start to the season or whatever, but, like, both those guys, they take turns, like, really pressing it too much, and, like, they just drive into, like, a bunch of bodies, sometimes with a game plan, sometimes without. That results in some of these sloppy turnovers when they're trying to kick out or they're throwing up shots that don't really have a chance. You know, Pelo got to the line, so there's a couple times where he draws that, but, like, too many possessions like that, where, again, I feel like you. There's like, this anxiety. They're like, oh, we got to stop the bleeding here. All right, I'll just barrel in, see what happens. Both of them, they both do it, and it got out of control, and it led to a lot of fast breaks. But Moguet on Paolo, I thought that's a really nice matchup. He's big, he's strong. He's still quick. He locks in on that end. He's obviously not out there really for offense, so he can sort of contribute in spots, but that was a good job by them, and that's a good win for the Hawks without Trey. I mean, it's more impressive. Obviously, the Magic should get that in sort of a revenge game, I guess.

Doug (19:20)

Like you said, they kind of look sort of predictable offensively, as you said, what they're doing, they should have watched the Amazon broadcast the other day, which had both Bam Adebayo and Norm Powell coming in and showing what their offense looks like on the huge Amazon floor. It's basically, it's drive, kick, cut, drive, kick, cut, drive, kick, get out of the way. As Bam Adebayo said. Or was it Norm? I think it was Bam who said we're an AAU team. And that's what the Magic should do more of. Just keep rotating because they're. They're handoffs and drives are just. They're simple. It's just one move. And I know I'm saying drive, kick, cut, like that's some, you know, extensive offensive set. It's not. But it's more than just a handoff. Here you go. And teams are good enough to take away the lane. So it's. Yeah, guys kind of putting their heads down a little bit. And Franz is a good passer out of there. He's got to do it better. Paolo, not so much. He's the frustrating.

Joe (20:21)

Tristan De Silva was the one bright spot for the Magic last night. Hitting threes coming off the bench scored 20. I think he hit four threes. That shot looks pretty. So he looked good. I can't say that for really anyone else on Orlando. I thought now maybe he should start.

Trey Kirby (20:35)

I don't. I don't know what the solution is. Because The Magic are 26th in three point rate, 21st in percentage. Adding Bane, just like adding KCP last year has had zero effects on their spacing. So Paulo and Franz, they do drive into traffic a lot, result in a lot of free throws. Yeah, for Paulow and sometimes Franz. But neither of those guys can really play off the ball because they're not a threat. Wendell Carter Jr. Not a threat from three. No respect for Suggs as a three pointer. And they haven't figured out how to use Bane yet. So maybe a Heat like system would work just because it's unusual. But they need something different offensively because it's been the same thing since Jamal Mosley has been there. He doesn't seem to have any other plan besides run a pick and roll.

Doug (21:18)

Yeah. And the heart and desire on the defensive end is a little lacking for whatever reason. Maybe there's not in a flow, but the rotations are kind of slow and that's why they've kind of dropped to the middle of the package.

Joe (21:28)

Yeah, they're like average right now, which I think will tick up. I do with the personnel.

Doug (21:32)

But you're right, the identity ain't there. And I don't know if it's because they do push the ball more because it seems like Jamal Mosley is trying that at the very least. But it is early.

Trey Kirby (21:44)

I guess I did like on this was a peacock game, right?

Doug (21:49)

Yeah, this is the one.

Trey Kirby (21:50)

Yeah. Michael Grady said Bonaro right down peach tree.

Doug (21:53)

Oh yeah.

Trey Kirby (21:54)

Perfect thing to say cuz there are 71 peach trees in Atlanta.

Joe (21:58)

Yeah, that's true.

Trey Kirby (21:59)

None of them are actually by the Hawks Arena. It's like Centennial Olympic Drive, State Farm Drive, Marietta. But if you say peach tree, there's one nearby.

Joe (22:10)

Oh yeah. Every neighborhood's got one or two for sure.

Doug (22:12)

I thought there were.

Joe (22:13)

He's not kidding, by the way. There are 71 streets with Peachtree. That's not an exaggeration joke from Trey there.

Trey Kirby (22:18)

I looked it up to make sure.

Joe (22:19)

I thought it was actually more so maybe they got rid of a couple.

Doug (22:22)

They got rebranded. Yeah, I literally thought it was three digits. Maybe that's the state of Georgia. You're right. The metro.

Trey Kirby (22:29)

That could be Ponce de Leon's too. There's a lot of those Whole lot of Ponces down here.

Joe (22:33)

Wow.

Doug (22:33)

Wow.

Joe (22:34)

I was just on Ponce de Leon yesterday.

Doug (22:35)

I know you like to call it Ponce de de Leon, but I've been corrected. Yeah, it is a deleon.

Trey Kirby (22:41)

Wow.

Doug (22:41)

Yeah, after a name that was pronounced really? Deleon. Unless I've been lied to, it's possible I can get duped.

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Joe (24:55)

Move on to the Thunder surging past the Clippers 126, 107 to extend their winning streak to eight games. They haven't lost a game yet. They haven't had their second best player at all. Chad Holgren played half the games he did play last night. He was in there and it doesn't matter. SGA gets his 30, gets his 31 and then it's some guy, if not multiple guys every night splashing threes, contributing to another win. Trey, I don't know who you want to start with, but eight, no for okc.

Trey Kirby (25:24)

Who do I want to start with?

Joe (25:27)

Where did you come from? Where did you go?

Trey Kirby (25:28)

That was literally what I was going to say, Joe. 22.2 points, defending Bogdan Bogdanovich out to half court. The ma. The Thunder started with playing a lot of these clutch games. I was saying they got to start winning some blowouts here. And guess what? They're completely blowing out teams right now. Three straight blowouts. The Clippers, the best team that they've beaten recently. I think they beat the Wizards and the Pelicans. No surprise that they smacked them. But the Thunder have given up more than 108 points in regulation one time this season. I think they gave up 111 to whoever they played night to the Pacers.

Joe (26:00)

Pacers. Yeah. Double overtime.

Trey Kirby (26:02)

That's right. Yeah, exactly.

Commercial Announcer (26:03)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (26:04)

Throughout the the overtime periods.

Doug (26:06)

Right.

Trey Kirby (26:06)

Mavericks are 30th in points per game. They average 107 points per game. So basically, when you play the Thunder, you're the worst offense. It's just like that 12 steals for the Thunder last night. All of them came after the first quarter. Huge first quarter for LA, playing without Kawhi Leonard, but 34 points off of turnovers for OKC. You can't beat them if you're giving the ball away that many times and they're scoring 30 easily like that, that's going to be a win because you know Shea's going to give you 25 to 30. He's in wilt Chamberlain mode right now. So the Thunder look like the Thunder to me.

Joe (26:39)

That was the most. They looked like the defending champs last night's game versus the Clippers because there was those runs, those defensive avalanches where they just cranked it up and this game was close for like two or three quarters, turned into a blowout, but the Clippers were there. But no Thunder decide, okay, this couple of minutes, let's run them out of the gym here. And that's what happened a whole lot during the 68 win season and even at times in the playoffs. So they looked awesome. Just to illustrate your point about Isaiah Joe, 22, you said he's averaging 18 points per game on 48% shooting from three since returning to the lineup. So he's only played three games. But OKC hit 16 threes in Joe's first game back then they went 20 for 48 versus the Pels from three. And then they went 18 for 38 last night. So unsurprisingly, those are their three best three point shooting games. When Isaiah Joe is back in the lineup. So much impact, so much gravity as a shooter, terrific role player. The guy can, you know, all of them are assisted by sga, I swear. And they're the little cheap ones, Tass. They're like, here you go. Hey, Joe, just shoot it. And he just bombs away. So I mean, they struggled to shoot the ball early in the season and they were still winning. And now they're hitting threes.

Doug (27:46)

That was the only thing you could poke to with this OKC team. Oh, they don't shoot the three well and Joe has come back and really helped them out. They only shoot 33.3% so far this season. It's not an incredible percentage at all. It's way below league average. But Isaiah Joe came and bumped that number up. But it did look like OKC from last year when they went on that ridiculous run to end this game. It was 78, all with 3:50 left in the third quarter. That's a 48:29 run to end the game. That's what they do they will. They'll do it. It's flashbacks for me to the 2010 Golden State warriors in the playoffs when they could beat you by 15, 20 in a. In a real quick run. And this team does it extremely well on the defensive end, so it's a little different. The warriors were a great defensive team, but this team is so good on the perimeter at just ganging you up and then getting out there and running. Caruso again looked really, really good. He's a guy that kind of flies under the radar a little bit. I know we do talk about him a lot, but he is so key to their defense. So, yeah, best start, I mean, obviously in franchise history at 8. No, that 62.5 over. Under number in terms of their record is now looking like. Oh, yeah.

Joe (28:55)

Fall into that.

Doug (28:56)

Yeah, yeah. So. And on the other side, no Kawhi just sitting. Sitting a game out. Beal. Yeah, back to back. And Beal, he's always out. So here we are with the Clippers. Unfortunately, there, that's a team that's. It's suffering a little bit with this. This start at 3 and 4. Now.

Joe (29:14)

SGA reached at least 20 points for the 80th consecutive game. So he passed hall of Famer Oscar Robertson for the third long such streak in NBA history. Trey said it. Wilt Chamberlain is now the only one ahead of him for those streaks. Wilt did it twice, you know, I think one in the 90s, and then the longest one was like 120 plus. So SGA could, in theory, pass him 120. Yeah, 20 points. He's not nothing. But it feels like nothing for SGA. He was nine of 14 from the floor last night. Four or five from deep from SGA last night. I was curious. I was like, man, four threes for SGA is actually a lot. This guy's not like a high volume three point in terms of making them. So I looked it up. Shays had 14 games over the last three seasons where he's hit four or more threes. OKC won 12 of them. And there was a Game 6 playoff loss to the Magic. Excuse me, to the Mavericks a couple years ago. That was one of the games where he hit a bunch of threes and they lost. And the other one was a random loss to San Antonio at the start of last year. But my point for all that is, like, if that guy's got the three ball going down, I mean, you are basically not winning against this team. It's damn near impossible. His highest, though, is six made threes. That's it.

Trey Kirby (30:27)

He kind of just started shooting them last year.

Joe (30:29)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I wonder if he'll have one big like 8, 9, 10 made threes game in him. I don't know. He's like, nah, I don't know. Yeah.

Trey Kirby (30:39)

It doesn't seem like he would be a double digit three pointer.

Joe (30:41)

Not really. Not really.

Trey Kirby (30:42)

But they got the Blazers, Kings and Grizzlies up next, so we're looking at 11 and oh. Next big game for okc is the warriors next Tuesday the 11th.

Joe (30:51)

Wow. Will they still be undefeated? Who are the three teams?

Trey Kirby (30:54)

Blazers, kings, Grizzlies. Blazers are playing tough. I mean, you could see Blazers tonight.

Doug (30:58)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (30:58)

Road back to back for okc. So that's tough.

Commercial Announcer (31:00)

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Joe (31:01)

Okay. I mean, yeah, I guess. But then they have goddamn 80 guys they can roll out there to contribute.

Doug (31:07)

Right.

Joe (31:08)

Other games last night, Curry scored 28, Moody added 24. Warriors beat the Suns. Barnes and Barrett each scored 23. Raptors won their third straight. They routed the Bucs by 28. And then Alvarado's three pointer sent the Pelicans past the Hornets in a must win game, as we called it, first win of the season. We can talk about the Pelicans a little bit later in the show when we get into is this news with Zion, but any notes on either the Raps or the warriors wins?

Doug (31:33)

Well, the warriors worrisome things that Jimmy Butler left this game with some back injury. We'll see if he could be all right. As far as the Raptors go. Yeah, I was locked in because they wanted to avenge their loss to the Milwaukee Bucks. And it sure showed like it showed it that they were ready to play both ends of the floor. I was impressed by the. On the offensive end, they're moving that thing. They are passing it around. On the defensive end, Scotty Barnes has been extremely impressive. These three wins, their win streak. He is really, really giving it defensively. Four steals, two blocks in this game. He was the guy able to get in Giannis's way. And as soon as he went to the bench, Yannis was doing his thing. They had nobody else, but he's out there working hard. 14 steals and blocks over this three game win streak. I'm not one to call them stocks. I ain't ready for that. 14 steals and blocks. Nah, not ready. Only 101.7 points allow these last three games. They look like they're playing hard and.

Joe (32:34)

That'S what they look like, the team they promised us they were going to be.

Doug (32:38)

Yeah, yeah. I think Barnes is the leader And I think he's the one who's, he's showing it now. And that's why the, the Barnes and Ingram, Barnes and Brandon, the double B's is. This is what we signed up for. We know Barnes is going to be, should be good defensively and Brandon Ingram is going to score the points and that's, that's what the combo of them should be. So here we are. They avenged that loss and now we're going to a five game win road trip. Excuse me. They're coming here to Atlanta in season tournament game. Exciting stuff. Sixers, Nets, Cavs, Pacers. They could go three and two on that road. That would be the way they're playing. It's possible. It's possible. This team looks different. Is that okay to say?

Joe (33:19)

100%. Look, hey, Darko is not going to be fired.

Trey Kirby (33:21)

Rehire him.

Joe (33:22)

Yeah, rehire him. Did I overreact? Yes. But I think it was warranted because I was like, I was trying to, you know, sort of raise the red flag on this garbage start that they had and how worrying it was and this season can get away from you in a damn hurry that they had to like figure out what were they doing defensively. And you're right about Barnes, man. He's the heartbeat right now of that Raptors defense. I don't know if it was Darko getting through to him. I don't know if it was Scotty himself like waking up. His best performance was last night. That was awesome. He basically played Giannis straight up, one on one. Like they sort of washed each other out. That's the best you can hope to do. He may be able played Giannis. If we're being like quite honest last night and Giannis was coming off of back to back. I get that. We didn't think Giannis was going to play when we were going into that game.

Doug (34:03)

What a weird line.

Joe (34:04)

Yeah.

Doug (34:04)

It started as the Raptors four and a half point favorites. It dropped to two and a half before the game, I guess because Janice was playing and he sat out the fourth quarter because they're smacking.

Joe (34:14)

Yeah. So it's great to see they're back to four and four. Good, good. I'm obviously very. I'm impressed. The offense has not been a problem at all this year. That's actually looked decent. It was the defense where they were hemorrhaging points after that one Hawks game obviously on opening night and they were getting killed on the boards and just getting cooked with what they were doing and the full court pressure and the weird traps, like they have gotten back to a better defensive principle. I think Purdl Darko, I'll give him props. Last night too, he reinserted Purdl into the starting lineup, but he was on a minutes restriction. But remember they'd been winning games with CMB as their starting center. So you sort of think just keep rolling with that. Why? You know, why fix what they ain't broken. But he looked at the Bucks like that's a big ass team. Giannis is playing. Turner's there, let's get Purdelt back in there. And it was a great start. That was a great coaching decision. So kudos to him.

Trey Kirby (35:07)

Yes. They went to pizza pizza last night.

Joe (35:11)

Three in a row.

Trey Kirby (35:11)

Three in a row.

Doug (35:13)

Yeah.

Joe (35:13)

They're not. They're not playing for pizza parties anymore.

Commercial Announcer (35:16)

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Joe (35:16)

They're playing for playing playing spots.

Doug (35:20)

Yeah. They needed to put Jakob Bertl in the starting lineup because you see them against big teams and that's. We remember the Houston Rockets game where they got out rebounded by a ton when calling Murray Bos was starting. They needed to. And Jakob Pearl. I can't believe it. That back seems like it's always sore. But that lefty dunk that he threw down.

Joe (35:42)

Yeah.

Doug (35:43)

Never would have expected Cole Anthony was.

Joe (35:44)

Not expecting it, I'll tell you that. I think he thought he was going to lay it up.

Doug (35:47)

Yeah. And this team, it isn't the Western Conference. We'll get to the New Orleans Pelicans who've started extremely poorly and there ain't any room for margin in the Western Conference. I will say when you said that, you know this season can get away from you and the east is a little bit better, it's easier because there just isn't as many incredible teams. But here we are.

Joe (36:09)

Yeah, but you were agreeing with me when we were looking after the rap slow start like, oh, that's probably going to be a loss to Cleveland. John Morant, the Grizzlies coming in, Giannis again, like they got lucky too. Nobody played in the Cavs game. John Morant suspended for the Grizzlies game like that. They were helped out by that. But we were staring down the barrel of like a 1 in 8 or 9 start. Which is why I was saying the coach is going to be fired if they have that record because they're expected with the salary they pay these guys and the expectations to be at least 500. So look, they've rebounded nicely and they got helped out a little bit by who didn't play.

Doug (36:45)

But no Trey On Friday. That kind of helps. But all these weapons will be coming. Will they be ready?

Trey Kirby (36:50)

I also think there's not a lot of consistently good teams in the Eastern Conference right now. Like the Bucks have losses to the Raptors and Kings right now with Giannis playing. That doesn't make sense. New York has looked good and New York has looked bad. Kind of. The Bulls and the Sixers, until the second half last night have been the most consistent Eastern Conference. And I think Detroit is there too. They lost their first two games and have been pretty solid since then. And you know, they lost to the teams that are like first and fourth, I guess, in the. In the east and the Western Conference. So take it how you leave it. That's not a saying.

Doug (37:22)

That's okay. We learned new sayings.

Trey Kirby (37:24)

But I do feel like 4 through 12 in the Eastern Conference is kind of a toss up on who's actually going to play well from a night to night basis.

Joe (37:31)

Yeah, so far.

Doug (37:32)

Yeah. And then that's why the Reps have a bit of a lesion on this road trip with no Trey Young. And then they get the Nets and the Pacers. Yeah. Things look like they could win three games. People learn things. For the first couple weeks, we learn new sayings. We had Kofi on here saying the here's and theirs. That's what you say. Miles Turner, I think, can learn to let it rip a little bit more. He was on my favorite podcast, Finalysis.

Joe (37:56)

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Trey Kirby (37:59)

I didn't see it coming.

Doug (38:01)

I know. Jesus. I just wanted to say their studio has improved. Didn't see that. I didn't see that coming. Has it improved as much as this?

Joe (38:11)

No. Look at that.

Doug (38:12)

No. And it's only getting better. It's only getting better. I like this. This three person shot. JD Is really nice.

Trey Kirby (38:17)

I mean, the monitors are old news now.

Joe (38:19)

Oh, yeah, the monitors. Nothing. Do they have. How many monitors do they have on the NASA podcast?

Doug (38:25)

I don't know. I just see a couple clips and I move on. They got a couch this year instead of just charity chair. That's how they've upgraded. And they've got, you know, a standard lawyer type of company. That's their main sponsor. You know, like.

Trey Kirby (38:40)

Like legal zoom.

Doug (38:42)

No, no, no, no, no, no. Like injury lawyer, that type of thing.

Trey Kirby (38:47)

Neil Flip.

Joe (38:47)

Yeah.

Doug (38:48)

Call Ken. That's all. Something like that.

Trey Kirby (38:51)

That's one of the biggest choices you got to make as a podcasting studio. Couch or table.

Joe (38:55)

Oh, yeah, yeah. What are we doing?

Trey Kirby (38:57)

What are we doing? What are we running here?

Joe (38:59)

Yeah. You're not wrong. I did see Big Waz. I saw him. I don't know if he was hosting it or if he was on. I don't know what was going on. Oh, so Danny Green and Paul Pierce. Yeah, I saw. It was a good clip.

Doug (39:12)

Whatever they were talking about, it was a good clip. Yeah, he's hosted.

Joe (39:15)

Okay, I didn't know that. What's it called?

Doug (39:22)

I don't know. But it was. It was.

Joe (39:24)

It was a good clip.

Doug (39:25)

Yeah.

Joe (39:25)

They were talking about celebrations. It was led by the Joel Embiid DX chop. And they were talking about what are the best celebrations in today's current NBA. That was good. You know the night night from Steph.

Trey Kirby (39:37)

Yeah.

Joe (39:39)

They were saying all time. They were saying the most disrespectful one is still the Sam Cassell big balls dance, which they all seem to agree with.

Doug (39:46)

Disrespect.

Joe (39:47)

Yeah, it was more about disrespect. Yeah, yeah.

Doug (39:49)

Because they were commenting on Giannis grabbing his balls.

Joe (39:52)

I was more led by the Jordan.

Doug (39:55)

Yeah.

Joe (39:55)

Ball stock balls talk. All right, let's take a quick break and when we come back, we'll play is this news?

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Doug (43:05)

Oh, it's news. There's no doubt. Is it too early to say the Pelican season is over? Yes, this is a grade one hamstring injury. Could be seven to 10 days. It's a light when he should be back, although we did see this last year and he missed many, many games. But it's early. I will say the thing that I've learned from the early Pelican season is that they need some sort of leadership, some sort of vet in that starting lineup to just get everybody on page because there are times in this Pelican start to the season where they started 06 before their win yesterday, that they fight pretty hard for a lot of the game. They had an OT loss of the Spurs. They lost by six to Memphis on opening night, which I've said Job Morant lives for opening night. And then they lost by two to the Clippers on an NBA cup night. So close games. But then they lost the other three games by 30 or more. Right. So that's the most such losses in first six games of anyone's NBA season in NBA history. And they're getting outscored by 28.7 points per possession per 100 possessions. I should say in 136 minutes with Zion off the floor. Shout out to Keeks Kirsica Kumar. Who's I, Kumar? Oh my God, I knocked over my frickin mug here. They need some sort of guidance, some sort of assistance. I know I've. I've talked about Kevon Looney I thought would be some sort of assistance as in the starting lineup, but really it's when Zion goes to the bench, how they fall apart. They literally fall apart. That 28.7 points per 100 possessions is a monstrous number. That's way bigger than what Jokic was dealing with last year in the regular season. So here we are in a situation where now they got the Mavs, spurs and Suns, Blazers, Lakers coming up. I can't say it's over yet, but it's, it's venturing, it's veering that direction because they can't really put it together without Zion on the floor when he's playing. So here we are.

Joe (45:04)

They did last night. Yeah, I mean, they squeaked by the Hornets, but I mean, for the most part, everybody contributed. Yeah, they didn't have Lamelon, you're right. But Trey Murphy had a good game. Alvarado gave him some juice.

Trey Kirby (45:16)

He was the vet last night.

Joe (45:17)

Exactly. And a lot of guys coming off the bench scoring, be it Bay Queen. Carlo was a couple of huge dunks. Oh yeah, Mikovich. Oh yeah. And so they at least got off the hide and got a much needed win.

Commercial Announcer (45:30)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (45:31)

Unfortunately this is recurring news. Just like Lamelo missing time with an ankle injury that there wasn't like a play that it happened. He just got a sore ankle. He's out. Same thing with Zion. Yeah, he missed time last year with a hamstring injury. He misses time every year with a hamstring injury. That seems to be the one that keeps tripping him up.

Doug (45:48)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (45:48)

So yeah, they're saying seven to 10 days right now, but it could easily be longer. And they're just getting behind the eight ball in the Eastern Conference. I did love Carlos. Couple of dunks. Speaking of celebrations, they were going with the Giannis double thumbs down. I thought that was kind of cool. But yeah, Alvarado was big, hit a big three pointer, really gave him a lot of energy in the second half. And they're lucky to win that game because they blew a lead. It looked like the Hornets were rolling starting three rookies. That's the kind of loss that gets a coach fired. So they at least staved off that for Willie Green. And I would say Derek Queen last night was a silver lining. In the fourth quarter he played all 12 minutes. In just the fourth, he had 12 points, seven boards, four assists, three steals, hit a couple of mid range jumpers. He was finishing inside. The passing looked really nice. He looked like a skilled player. Hands were kind of quick on the defensive end to break up plays and get going on the other side. He was out of the rotation because Willie Green is in job saving mode. Yes, feels like, but you got to play this guy. If he traded away the pick that everybody's going to be talking about for the entire year, at least play the rookie and see what you got at him. He's not going to average 48 points a game, but it was nice to see him playing last night and playing well.

Doug (46:59)

I thought he was the difference. Yeah, he only played six minutes going into that fourth quarter and you play him every single minute and he's grabbing boards all over the place offensively. Grabbed three offensive boards and looked way more spry than people are giving him credit for. People think, oh, he's just, he looks a little heavy. Not because he plays on the same team with Zion Williamson, but he does look slow out there at times. He looked really good in this one.

Joe (47:21)

Did you see post game, him and DeAndre Jordan? So Queen had this great game. All the reporters are around his locker. He's sitting down and you hear DeAndre Jordan. So he's answering questions. He's starting to answer questions. And then you hear DeAndre Jordan stand up. Stand up, rook. And DeAndre Jordan basically stopped all the reporters asking questions and demanded that Queen stand on business because he had such a great game. You know, stand with some pride when you talk to these people. Yeah, Queen didn't want to. You could tell. He's like, I'm tired. I just want to sit here. But he also knows, you know, that is our vet here and he's saying, stand up. I better stand up. So he did.

Doug (47:58)

That's the leadership I was asking for. That's the type.

Joe (48:02)

Fair.

Doug (48:03)

Yeah. Hey, come on. Come to work. To work and stand up. Don't be a Ja Moran and just sit for your interviews. As John Moran has sat for Those two post game interviews where things have not gone well.

Trey Kirby (48:13)

Interesting, interesting. It's something to pay attention to, standing versus sitting.

Joe (48:19)

But back to Trey's point about Zion and this hamstring issue. This is now every year for the past four years. Let me just run through it. During the 22, 23 season, Williams injured his hamstring and then re injured it during his recovery, sidelining him for the final 40 get 45 games of the regular season. 23, 24, he was healthy. He played a lot of games, 70 regular season games. But then he had a hamstring strain in the play in tournament forced him to miss the playoffs. And then last season, he injured his hamstring in November. He ended up missing like 27 games. Like it was a good chunk before he came back. And he played the rest of the season on a strict minutes restriction. So now this is year four of this damn hamstring. And that's the big concern to me. Trey was like, I'm like, well, when did it happen? Where was it? I know, it's just like, oh, it just.

Trey Kirby (49:06)

It's just happened.

Commercial Announcer (49:07)

Sore.

Joe (49:07)

Yeah, it just hurts. But they got the win. So good for the Pelicans got the win.

Doug (49:13)

I can't be super pumped. No. They've inserted Jordan Poole back into the starting lineup to try and get things going. But the combination of pool and fears, it doesn't. It doesn't instill a lot of perimeter defense to stop the ball to start it there. And then you're asking a lot of questions of the back line. Of course, they've got Herb Jones and Trey Murphy out there on the wings, can do their thing. But now it's Kevon Looney that they're trying to insert again after the injury slowed him down. Now he's back in there. It's like the Pelicans are doing the same thing that they did last year. They had a Jonas Valanchunis in there. They're starting a guy to do justice. Eat those minutes in the first quarter and the third quarter and hope that it also instills some aggression. But it doesn't look like that. And I think the guard spot, the. The Jordan pool move is not. It's not worked out.

Trey Kirby (50:03)

I just don't think they're going to be able to play defense, period. You heard it on the broadcast last night. Antonio Daniels is basically like, you're not going to get stops. We're 26 in defensive rating, so you got to get out there and score. I mean, Looney's not a shot blocker. DeAndre Jordan was a shot blocker or a decade ago. There's nobody else that's really going to influence it. So play your best offensive guys. I guess that's why Pool is back in the starting lineup.

Joe (50:25)

Yeah, trying to score teams.

Doug (50:26)

Yeah, and I guess that's why they got Dejounte Murray way back when. He's still there. He's injured I guess to be that sort of ball stopper. But yeah, it doesn't look good.

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Joe (52:39)

Next headline from ESPN Kings, Precious Achua Agree to a One Year Deal. And in a corresponding move to generate the roster space, the Kings released second year center Isaac Jones. So Trey, they've opted for a more veteran presence here to help the rotation. Is this news? Precious on the Kings.

Trey Kirby (52:56)

This is not news.

Joe (52:57)

Oh, boy. Damn.

Trey Kirby (52:59)

Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, Precious Achua is not a great player, but he's better than Drew Eubanks and Dylan Cardwell. Probably.

Joe (53:06)

Yeah, probably.

Trey Kirby (53:06)

That's the best I can say. Yeah, they need another big guy. Yeah, a veteran big guy. And at least Achua has athleticism.

Doug (53:14)

Yeah, probably take some Eubanks minutes who played all right recently actually. But it doesn't really change much for this team. That's all. I think the, you know, they have bounced out. They, they do get some wins. I think the most interesting thing recently is Russell Westbrook playing against the Denver Nuggets, the team that he helped last year, and then having a fantastic game, awesome game. Getting hugging Nikola Jokic for a long time pre game scoring 26 in that game. That was fun. That's the thing. It's somewhat like the Pelicans. They have to outscore teams. So Precious ain't gonna help.

Joe (53:53)

No.

Doug (53:53)

Russ's 26 help, but I don't think the defense is really going to change all that much.

Joe (53:59)

He's gonna get an opportunity here. Precious for sure and he played well for the Raptors when he was there. He was decent for the Knicks at times in the playoffs, he's a capable power forward or capable big. It's a position that they lack depth at, especially with no Keegan Murray. So there's an opportunity for him here to show his worth. Still in this league, at least usually with Precious, you're going to get some energy, some defensive hustle and the Kings could use a lot of that. So I think an opportunity. But yeah, not moving the needle by any means. Just wanted to slip it in and keep you on your toes. When it comes to this news, not every headline is news.

Trey Kirby (54:33)

That's right. They can't all be news or it would just be called this is news.

Joe (54:35)

That's right.

Trey Kirby (54:36)

And that's a boring segment.

Joe (54:37)

That's right. Next one here. Okay, from cbs, we'll go to CBS Sports with the headline, draymond Green says the Knicks aren't true contenders. I'll give you the money quote from Draymond. The Knicks, I just personally don't believe that they're contenders. I don't think they have what it takes to win at the highest level, I think you can stifle their offense and make it hard on them. Also on the defensive end, anytime you have a couple guys on the floor at the same time that are really key guys who don't really want to defend, it makes it tough to win at the highest level. End quote. We'll stop there. Green is obviously talking about Brunson and Cat as the key guys that you can go at and are liabilities on the defensive end. Is this news, though?

Doug (55:16)

No, no. News is not news if it's not new. Okay. It has to be.

Trey Kirby (55:23)

That's nice.

Doug (55:24)

This was four months ago. It was news. When they fired Tom Thibodeau. We asked what is going on and he basically is saying these same questions that we asked that everybody asked and assumed why he was fired. That's why they brought in Mike Brown to move the ball more, which is happening, I think, with Jalen Brunson moving off the ball a little bit more. The other question was they have to insert somebody beside Carl Anthony Towns to help their defense. Why is their defense like this? Was the question. They have to have a big center in there. And now we're seeing it more with Mitchell Robinson coming back from injury. Mike Brown is starting him beside Karl Anthony Towns. That is not what Tom Thibodeau did last year. I mean, he threw him in as a emergency change up in the playoffs and Mike Brown's doing it and he's. He's trying to get Jalen Brunson off the ball. So those are the same two questions. Going deeper into the rotation is another question I think we should all be asking because we were asking that when it was actual news. When Tom Thibodeau was fired, I thought we'd see precious Achua a little bit more beside Carlton Towns. I was wrong. We're seeing him. We're seeing Mike Brown wait till Mitchell Robinson is healthy and they're not going extremely deep on the bench, which I thought was. Was going to happen. So. No. The same thing as a few months ago. But I didn't mind Draymond's take on this one.

Joe (56:46)

Okay.

Trey Kirby (56:47)

Yeah. Just heartbreaking news. Worst person, you know, just made a great point. It's just tough to defend at a championship level when you got two guys you can pick on.

Joe (56:56)

Yeah. Yeah.

Trey Kirby (56:57)

The good thing for the Knicks is it might not rear its head until literally the finals. You go back and look at their playoff defensive ratings. They held the Pistons underneath their season long offensive rating. Good. They held the Celtics underneath their season long offensive rating. Part of that is because Tatum went down with injury, but they were leading that series regardless. And then once they got to the Pacers, Pacers lit them up with ball movement, speed. And that will be the question is can they figure out a way to slow down some of the better offensive teams? Like, I don't think they would have much of a chance guarding Shagiel just Alexander, but that would be a Finals matchup. I don't think they could limit Nicola Jokic. That's also a Finals matchup. Who in the east scares them? Maybe Cleveland. I don't think they've been great to start the season, but they haven't had Garland yet. Jared Allen's been in and out of the lineup. Evan Mobley's just flirting with shooting threes all the time right now. So I don't know what the Cavs offense looks like when it comes down to it. So, yeah, this might be a problem you have to deal with way down the line, but it is a problem they're going to have to deal with at some point.

Joe (58:01)

Well, it's funny you say that because Draymond Green also pronounced that there aren't any real championship contenders in the Eastern Conference. So that goes to what you're sort of speaking about here. TK do you buy that? Is Draymond right? That. You know what? It ain't going to be an Eastern Conference team winning the championship.

Doug (58:17)

I get what he's saying. Yeah, they. You got to win the championship before you really believe in a championship contender. I get that. It happens. You got to go do it. And I guess I liked what Draymond said. It was. He was. He wasn't really harsh and brash.

Trey Kirby (58:32)

He just kind of gave his thought.

Doug (58:34)

He wasn't yelling and screaming about it. Although I do think when he's talking about defense and the New York Knicks, obviously he's talking about the pick and roll with Jalen Brunson and Carlton Townsend. Just overall, two defenders who can't be out there. Now they are hiding Jalen Brunson like this. The warriors hided Steph Curry extremely well and they're doing pre switches. That sounds smart and it works for one guy. I understand two guys. That's too many. Carl Anthony Towns. I think he's belittling him a little bit because he was a good Jokic defender when they did take them out. He was good at that. And I think helping putting Mitchell Robinson beside him just limits all the pick and rolls he has to stop. So Carlton Towns can be that guy. It's it's really on Carlton Towns, I.

Joe (59:13)

Think, to to help out to be a passable defender.

Doug (59:16)

Yeah. And I understand you may not see him enough because you may not see him enough with Mitchell Robinson because Mitchell Robinson gets hurt. So we may not even see enough of that. But he is giving it a lot of the times and in the postseason. So I think Draymond missed that. He didn't see that. He is getting better. But as the primary big, I totally get that. That's why Mike Brown was brought in. I think literally play someone else beside him.

Trey Kirby (59:41)

Hey man, you're right. It was really good against Jokic and he was actually really good against Kevin Durant in Timberwolves vs sun series once upon a time. He can do it if he puts his mind to it.

Joe (59:53)

Final headline from NBA.com spurs bring back City edition uniforms inspired by the team's 90s identity so yesterday the spurs unveiled their 2526 Nike NBA City Edition uniforms and the court and it's presented by Ledger, a bold tribute to the franchise's past, present and future. So this is a return to the team's best selling city uniforms from the 2021 season season, but brand new take on the Fiesta themed court. Trey Kirby is this news?

Trey Kirby (60:23)

It's a delicious looking court.

Joe (60:25)

God, it's sexy, isn't it?

Trey Kirby (60:26)

Yeah, it looks like you're going into a Taco bell in the 1990s and ordering a gordita. And I love a gordita.

Joe (60:33)

Do you.

Doug (60:33)

Did they have gorditas back then?

Trey Kirby (60:35)

Well, you're right. I'm, I'm mashing up eras just like the San Antonio spurs are here because this is sort of 90s inspired. They wore this basically in 2021. Didn't have the floor the exact same way. And really these jerseys are inspired by warm up jackets.

Joe (60:51)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (60:52)

Spurs never wore colorful jerseys like this on the court.

Joe (60:55)

Right.

Trey Kirby (60:55)

But everybody remembers those jackets and they looked super sweet. Like I said, they Wore these in 2021. Do you know the only players left over on the spurs from the 2021 season?

Joe (61:04)

Wow.

Trey Kirby (61:05)

Two guys.

Doug (61:06)

Kelvin Johnson, that's one of them.

Joe (61:08)

The Cellos.

Trey Kirby (61:09)

That's the other one. These guys are locked in.

Joe (61:13)

Yeah.

Doug (61:13)

Yeah.

Joe (61:14)

Not many other ones.

Trey Kirby (61:15)

No.

Joe (61:15)

Nobody said.

Trey Kirby (61:16)

Yeah, nobody else. A lot of guys still in the league though.

Doug (61:18)

Okay.

Trey Kirby (61:19)

Even Drew Eubanks. Is there somebody out there probably has a Drew Eubanks version of one of these jerseys?

Commercial Announcer (61:24)

Wow.

Trey Kirby (61:24)

Exciting.

Joe (61:25)

So what do you think of these?

Doug (61:26)

Do you like the, the symbols that they're throwing inside of the three point Line, that other color that they're throwing in there. Because we talked about the Dia de los Muertos court in Mexico City, that, that went from beige to dark brown. Inside the three point line. Now this is more symbols than entire. The entire three point arc painted. Like inside the three point arc painted, I should say.

Joe (61:51)

I love it. I think it's. I think it looks great. I mean, if that wasn't there, if those symbols were not there, this court would still look amazing.

Doug (61:59)

Yeah.

Joe (61:59)

Because of the three colors, obviously. But. Yeah, I don't. I like it kind of makes it.

Trey Kirby (62:04)

Look like an all star court, I think.

Joe (62:06)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (62:06)

I don't think it needs to say city edition on it.

Joe (62:10)

Where does it say that?

Trey Kirby (62:11)

Right under your.

Joe (62:11)

Oh, I didn't even see that. Yeah. Okay. Why. Yeah, why?

Doug (62:15)

Exactly.

Joe (62:15)

You don't need that. They're going to play on this court in the new Unis next Wednesday, a week from today. Warriors coming to town November 12th. I assume that game's on ESPN, right? Spurs, Warriors.

Trey Kirby (62:29)

What day is it?

Joe (62:30)

Wednesday.

Trey Kirby (62:30)

Yeah, that's an espn.

Doug (62:32)

You get it?

Trey Kirby (62:32)

Nice.

Joe (62:33)

Anyway, gorgeous stuff here. Just gorgeous stuff. It's great.

Doug (62:36)

Yeah, it's beautiful.

Trey Kirby (62:37)

Gordita was introduced in 1998.

Joe (62:40)

Wow.

Trey Kirby (62:41)

I didn't know it'd been around so long.

Joe (62:42)

Can you explain to me what that is again?

Trey Kirby (62:45)

It's like a flatbread.

Doug (62:46)

Okay.

Trey Kirby (62:47)

It's like instead of the regular taco shell, you get a thick boy, you get ready soft.

Doug (62:52)

Yeah, It's a lot of bread.

Joe (62:53)

Were you a Taco Bell man? I don't think I knew that about you.

Doug (62:57)

Well, you know when you have. When you insert drugs into your body.

Joe (63:07)

What a way to put these drugs in my body.

Trey Kirby (63:11)

Give me the rusty scissors, dad.

Joe (63:13)

So you're saying back in your inserting of drug days, you were a Taco Bell fan?

Doug (63:17)

Correct.

Joe (63:17)

I got you. I got you.

Doug (63:18)

That's when you had not expectations. I mean, they are still making those Taco Bell. They're still renovating them. They still look cool from the outside because it's so. It makes me want to go in. Yeah, it looks awesome.

Joe (63:27)

Well, the reason I said I didn't know you were a Taco Bell guy, because people that are Taco Bell guys. Guys. It's a part of their identity.

Doug (63:32)

Yeah.

Joe (63:32)

Trey Kirby, I think, sort of. Joel. Our friend Joel. God, he never shuts up out about Taco Bell.

Trey Kirby (63:38)

He comes to the United States once a year and that's the one place he wants to go. Oh, yeah, we got to go to Taco Bell.

Joe (63:42)

He comes to Atlanta. We have incredible restaurants. No, we got to go to Taco Bell. All right, okay, I get it. You don't live over here. I don't think they. I don't even know if they have Taco Bell in Taiwan. If they do, it's not up to his standards.

Trey Kirby (63:52)

It's not the same, I guess.

Joe (63:53)

Anyway, that's why I wasn't sure if you were Taco Bell.

Doug (63:56)

The thing that was good about Taco Bell's inner in Canada was the fry supreme.

Joe (64:01)

Okay.

Doug (64:02)

I mean, it's fries. They're dropping sour cream on there. They're dropping the beef on there.

Joe (64:07)

Right.

Doug (64:07)

But the US has finally brought that here in some way, shape, or form, right?

Trey Kirby (64:12)

I think so.

Joe (64:12)

So it's like they're taking on a poutine almost. Really?

Trey Kirby (64:16)

It sort of is.

Joe (64:16)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (64:17)

Taco Bell's poutine. I wish I went more, you know, I wish I still had the passion for it that I had back when they were Right.

Doug (64:24)

Me too.

Trey Kirby (64:25)

Gordita bringing out the chalupa, the enchirito.

Commercial Announcer (64:28)

Man.

Joe (64:30)

Are they still innovating like crazy?

Trey Kirby (64:31)

Of course.

Joe (64:32)

Yeah. Yeah.

Trey Kirby (64:33)

They brought breakfast out. I mean, it's been years ago.

Joe (64:35)

That's wild. Yeah.

Doug (64:36)

Mumbai.

Trey Kirby (64:37)

I feel like a lot of the innovation for Taco Bell is how can we combine the things already on the menu into a new shape container?

Joe (64:47)

Not literally the food, but they're like.

Trey Kirby (64:49)

Yeah, you can do the luxury box. It got four items in it. Or you can do the super box. That one's got eight items.

Doug (64:54)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (64:54)

But I do like to. I like to go at least once a year to see what they're really doing over there.

Joe (64:59)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (65:00)

The guys are up to.

Joe (65:01)

We have a Taco Bell between our houses.

Doug (65:03)

Yeah.

Joe (65:04)

It's closer to you than it is to me.

Trey Kirby (65:05)

Way closer.

Joe (65:06)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (65:07)

If you would have told me in 1998 when they dropped the gordita, that eventually you're gonna live four minutes away from the Taco Bell, and you're never gonna never go. I would be disappointed in myself. What happened to your life, man?

Joe (65:18)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (65:19)

Used to love this place.

Joe (65:21)

Still do. Still do. Maybe it's one of those things, like, the closer you are to, the less you want it.

Trey Kirby (65:27)

So true.

Doug (65:27)

Yeah, that's a great point.

Joe (65:28)

You got to make a run from the border. When it's just a walk to the border, it's not as exciting. Stroll over there. All right.

Trey Kirby (65:36)

Okay. Bird north in the Stream team says the new Flamin Hot grilled cheese burrito is fire. What a combination of words.

Joe (65:46)

Yeah.

Trey Kirby (65:46)

Flamin Hot grilled cheese burrito.

Doug (65:50)

Yeah, the burrito.

Joe (65:51)

Those are all words though. I would probably pick if you were saying, hey, come up with a new item for Taco Bell. I, I would go there.

Trey Kirby (65:58)

I do that. Put a taco inside a grilled cheese. Yeah, I'll find out. I will take it upon myself to see what they're doing over there.

Doug (66:05)

I was with it until the word burrito. Really?

Trey Kirby (66:07)

That's crazy.

Doug (66:08)

Whoa.

Joe (66:09)

Pick them. Tonight's game. It's Wednesday night. Tas, where are we going?

Doug (66:14)

Wambanyama is going to Los Angeles to play the Lakers, who are three point and a half favorites on the Spurs. Okay, spurs coming off a loss to the Suns, the lakers have won four games in a row. We didn't talk about Deandre Ayton going for 29 and 10. Hello. They look great. He's gonna be matching up against Wembanyama. I assume Luka and Reaves are playing. Cause in that game where the Lakers took care of Portland, those two guys were not playing their last game and it was just sort of a. Hey, we're kind of resting them. Yeah, somehow they look great. They've won four in a row. So three and a half point line. It's kind of understandable. And it's understandable you guys took the spurs to cover that while I'm taking the Lakers.

Trey Kirby (67:01)

I wonder who's going to guard Wembanyama because he's coming off this nine point game against the Phoenix Suns and they basically guarded him with Royce o' Neal and said, big guy, come and hang out here as well. We, we've seen that sort of like defensive alignment a lot of times with dominant big guys. Put the little muscle dude underneath, bump him, throw him off of his his balance and then you've got help as well. Marcus Smart's a guy that's cut out for that. Like he would love to bump and grind against the wimpanyama type and then have Ayton be more of the help guy. So I wonder if that's something JJ Redicker would do or if it's kind of like maybe we save this for down the line. We don't need to be showing our hand in November.

Joe (67:40)

Right, Right. Save it for a potential playoff matchup for all you know. Good point. We'll find out tonight. We have the Spurs. They got some points to play with, but Task needs the Lakers to win by four or more to get the first W here for TAs in the month of November. And again, we'll explain what our pick and payoff is on Friday show. Look at that tease. Keep you coming back tomorrow? We're hitting the beach. Yeah. First time this season answering your emails and your tweets and a lot of your comments on substack. Go join our substack. You sort of get first access to us when it comes to asking questions. So we'll start tackling those on tomorrow's episode. We'll talk about anything of note here tonight. Maybe Spurs, Lakers, for all we know. Later today, Bulls are back on playback. Trey Kirby is rewatching all of the condensed version games from the 7210 Bulls championship season. So you got a couple more games on the docket today.

Trey Kirby (68:33)

Yeah, I got the Cleveland Cavaliers led by Chris Mills and Bobby Phils. Oh, the Mills and Phils backcourt. And the Blazers, Rod Strickland and Uncle Cliffy. Short week, though. Only two games. Only two games. I guess maybe backloading the second half of the season.

Joe (68:50)

Okay.

Trey Kirby (68:51)

Though, you know, at the time, the Bulls were the biggest story in all of sports, so they probably weren't trying to duck the NFL way back then.

Joe (68:58)

No, you wouldn't think so.

Trey Kirby (68:59)

So I was surprised at how well these condensed games are cut. I was thinking you're just gonna see the highlights. You're gonna see the back and forth action, which is cool. That's what I was expecting to see. But they're like, including the replays stuff, the funny moments. So whoever edited those, hats off to eat.

Joe (69:16)

Tip of the cap to you. All right, join Trey Today at 3pm Eastern on playback. That link is in our show notes for everybody on YouTube and podcast listeners. You can join the room for free. You can all watch it together because Trey fires them up on YouTube. And then you can hang out with the check and chat and talk Bulls, obviously from the 90s, but I think you guys talk about a lot more than just that. You'll probably talk about Taco Bell today.

Trey Kirby (69:38)

Yeah, I assume Taco was Taco Joe on the. On the balls.

Joe (69:42)

Oh, Taco Joe Klein. Yeah, Taco Trey Kirby looking up Taco Joe Klein.

Trey Kirby (69:47)

Not yet.

Joe (69:48)

Not yet.

Trey Kirby (69:49)

Not yet. Not at that time. He was playing on the Phoenix Suns.

Joe (69:51)

He's like the gordita of the Bulls. He was introduced to the bulls in.

Trey Kirby (69:57)

The 97, 98 season. I saw this guy coming.

Joe (70:00)

They're like, all right, we got a new product for you. All right, guys, so we'll see you there for Boulder back playback and otherwise, we'll see you Tomorrow morning at 10am Eastern for beach step in. Till then, Clipper Bros. You heard it here first. Have a great time.

Trey Kirby (70:14)

Turn up.

Joe (70:15)

Love you guys. Awesome.

Doug (70:16)

Thanks for joining us. And remember Shane Bieber opting into a $16 million option with the Toronto Blue Jays when he could have easily got 25 per in free agency? That's a clear indicator that sometimes people just, you know, will choose good things over money. Like 16 mil. What's that? It's nothing. That's nothing. Nothing. But it's going where the good land is, you know, Going back to the Toronto locker room. What a blessing.

Joe (70:48)

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