The Drop | Drafting All-Washed Teams & Ranking Bad Vibes

Summary

No Dunks | The Drop (Nov 14, 2025)

"Drafting All-Washed Teams & Ranking Bad Vibes"

Overview

In this Friday “Drop” episode of No Dunks, hosts J.E. Skeets and Trey Kirby—minus Tas (who’s off seeing John Legend and sending in his concert report), with JD producing—dive into the NBA’s early-season struggles. Their main focus: drafting “All-Washed” teams (players who are past their primes or falling off), and debating the baddest vibes among NBA franchises. The show blends sharp analysis, statistical digging, signature playful banter, and some rapid-fire podcast fun.

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Main Segments

1. Tas’ John Legend Report (02:07–03:19)

• Tas checked in from Niagara Falls’ John Legend concert: “John is tired. He was all right. Wasn't 100% for Ontario, as he kept calling it.” — (Tas via Skeets, 02:12)
• Hosts joke about John shouting out Ontario (“That's kind of what it is. Just shouting out the province.”)

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2. Drafting “All-Washed” NBA Teams (04:39–31:43)

Format

• Five rounds, by age/role:
  • Round 1: “Grandpas” (age 35+)
  • Round 2: “Old Guys” (early 30s)
  • Round 3: “Washed Young Guys” (age 20–29)
  • Rounds 4–5: Wild Card (any age group)
• Trey and Skeets alternate picks; commentary mixes stats, stories, and comedy.

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Round-by-Round Picks & Notable Comments

Round 1: NBA Grandpas (35+)

• Trey: Kyle Lowry (Philadelphia 76ers)
  • “I think he’s gonna be on TV for Amazon more than he is for the Sixers.” (06:24)
  • “You can tell he’s washed because he wears a sleeveless undershirt under his jersey.” (06:52)
• Skeets: Chris Paul (LA Clippers)
  • “He’s obviously very old. He’s 40. I mean, he’s really old... shooting 24% from the floor, 26% from three.” (08:35)
  • “We’ve maybe seen the last of him in any prominent role.” (08:50)

Round 2: Old Guys (Early 30s)

• Trey: Bradley Beal (Clippers)
  • “This is a man who is 32 and 139 days old... out for the season with a hip injury. That is an old guy injury.” (10:18)
• Skeets: Joel Embiid (Sixers)
  • “He’s going to be the best player on this entire all-wash team... but his body is just, like, failed him—like every piece of his body here.” (12:31)
  • “That contract doesn’t kick in till next year.” (13:21)

Round 3: Washed Young Guys (20–29)

• Trey: Tyus Jones (Magic)
  • “He gets completely overrated... He’s shooting 31% from the field, 12.5% from three, averaging 1.7 points per game.” (18:21)
• Skeets: Cody Williams (Jazz)
  • “Turns 21 next week... he had a historically awful rookie season.” (19:13)
  • “Best case: Patrick Williams. More likely: Cam Reddish vibes.” (19:16)

Round 4: Wild Card

• Trey: Klay Thompson (Mavericks)
  • “Eight and a half points per game, shooting 29%... benched in Dallas.” (21:17)
  • “He puts the ball on the floor and the defense is just feasting.” (22:18)
• Skeets: Kevin Love (Jazz)
  • “Man, him trying to guard anyone... He literally looks like me out there. The guy is so gray.” (23:14, 24:00)

Round 5: Wild Card

• Trey: Paul George (Sixers; hasn't played yet)
  • “He hasn’t played since March. That’s nine months off without, like, a specific sort of thing happening.” (25:37)
  • “He got cleared to practice a month ago—they say he’s mirroring his return—but it seems very odd to me.” (26:10)
• Skeets: Eric Gordon (Sixers)
  • “It’s just shocking that he’s still in the league... that’s where we’re at with Eric Gordon.” (29:40)

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Other Notables (throughout draft)

• Runner-ups and snubs included: Brook Lopez, DeAndre Jordan, Al Horford, Mike Conley, CJ McCollum, Dennis Schroder, Chris Middleton, Buddy Hield, John Wall, and a “full team of Clippers.”

Humorous Draft Summary:

• “Four Sixers got drafted: Embiid, Paul George, Kyle Lowry, and Eric Gordon. And two Jazz.” (29:49)
• “We gotta track down a copy of 2K26 and run these teams against each other.” (31:16)

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3. NBA “Rank ’Em”: Best Wins & Vibes (34:39–43:56)

Best Wins of Last Night (35:19)

• Raptors over Cavaliers: “Raptors got the best win. They beat the best team last night and it was on the road.” (35:19)
• Hawks over Jazz: “The Hawks: 6-2 since Trae Young went down, second in defense. Jalen Johnson had a career-best 31-18-14-7 steals.” (36:07)
• Suns over Pacers: “Five straight wins for the Suns, but main story was a disgusting injury for Aaron Nesmith.” (37:16)
• Tiebreaker rationale: Raptors/Hawks/Suns in order of most to least impressive.

Rising International All-Star Candidates (40:32)

• Deni Avdija, Jamal Murray, Josh Giddey: “Basically, I favor a number one guy (Avdija) over a number two guy (Murray)... Giddey's fallen off.” (41:06)
• Skeets pushes Murray higher, referencing all-star politics: “A head coach is going to be like, ‘Well, it’s Jamal’s time.’” (43:26)

Bad Vibes Rankings (43:56)

• Worst: Grizzlies
  • “I feel like the Grizzlies are actively trying to get their coach fired... they’ve pretty much given up. Ja Morant definitely has.” (44:23)
• Kings, then Mavs: “The Kings are struggling right now... lost four straight by a combined 105 points.” (46:32)
• Skeets: “It’s amazing not to have the Kings first. That’s how bad the Grizz vibes are.” (46:32)

“Who’s the Actual Worst Team?” (47:49)

• Nets, Pacers, Wizards—all with only one win.
• “This is so hard... the Nets only win is against the Pacers, Pacers’ only win is against the Warriors, Wizards only win was against the Mavs.” (47:53)
• “Pacers are the worst until they have full health. But I think the Nets and Wizards will end up worse.” (49:15)

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4. Rapid Fire! (56:55–77:39)

Fun/Absurd Changes Desired in the World (57:17)

• Trey: “We need more belt loops on pants. We need to ban reviews in all sports, and we need universal healthcare.” (57:24)
• JD: Wants a new kitchen; “It’s amazing what you can just put up with.” (58:27)
• Skeets: “Let’s get back to cable! There’s too many streaming services.” (60:17)

Best Island Amenity (65:25)

• Trey: “No bugs! Don’t know how, but that’s my whole pitch.” (65:49)
• JD: “Pickleball court... but also motorbike trails and a mechanic to repair the bikes.” (66:53)
• Skeets: “Swim-up bar. Gotta have a swim-up bar.” (68:25)

90s Rewatchables on Playback (70:30)

• Trey: “Guts” (Nickelodeon kids’ game show) and canceled magicians (David Copperfield!) (70:30–71:46)
• JD: “Electric Circus” (legendary Canadian live dance show) — “90-minute dance party... Monica Deol, the hottest Canadian woman... we would watch it before going out.” (72:51–74:42)
• Skeets: “Ghostwriter” (PBS) — “a multicultural group of friends in Brooklyn solves crimes via a ghost that manipulates text and letters.” (77:04)

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Notable Quotes

• On drafting “washed” players: “This is like the 2026 NBA draft—people are vying for the number one pick... they’re saying you dropped the ball.” — Trey (07:18)
• On Embiid’s “wash level”: “When you look at your washing machine, there are different soil levels.” — Trey (13:39)
• “Just because you’re washed doesn’t mean you can’t get dirty again.” — Trey’s sign-off (81:31)
• (On last night’s wins) “Jalen Johnson had a career-best game: 31 points, 18 boards, 14 assists, and seven steals. Jesus, this guy was cooking.” — Trey (36:07)
• (On rapid-fire changes): “We need more belt loops on pants, we need to ban reviews, and we need universal healthcare.” — Trey (57:24)
• (On the NBA’s worst teams): “30th in net rating despite being only 28th on offense and 28th on defense. How does it add up? I don’t get it. But they get beaten by a lot!” — Trey (48:40)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:07 — Start, Tas reports on John Legend concert
• 03:27 — Announce main topics: ranking worst teams, drafting all-washed teams
• 04:39 — Drafting “All-Washed Teams” (with running stats, laughter, and trash talk through 31:43)
• 34:39 — “Rank ’Em”: Raptors/Hawks/Suns wins; best international all-star prospects, worst vibes, worst teams
• 56:55 — Rapid Fire fun: societal changes, island dreams, 90s rewatchables, and remote control nostalgia
• 77:04 — End: Founding member shout-outs, reminders, and sign-off

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Tone & Style

No Dunks is lively, sarcastic, and full of inside jokes—NBA expertise with jokester energy and community-minded warmth. The washed draft walks the line between critical and affectionate; bad vibes are dissected with both data and drama; even the ad reads and tangents are repurposed as punchlines.

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For New Listeners

If you missed the episode, here’s what you need to know:

• The “All-Washed Team Draft” is both hilarious and smart, giving equal weight to NBA stats, infamous injuries, and comical declines.
• “Bad vibes” are explored with sympathy (Grizz) and shade (Mavs/Kings).
• The recurring tone is: “It’s all in good fun, but based on some ugly truths.”
• Hosts sprinkle in playful memories and listener engagement throughout—ideally, you’ll learn NBA context and laugh out loud.

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Further Engagement

• Who had the better “All-Washed” team? Listeners are encouraged to chime in online.
• Share your own “bad vibes” teams or 'washed' picks in the comments.
• Extra credit: Join their “90s Playback” viewing, share your own, or support their substack to fund JD’s kitchen revival.

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Final sign-off:

“Just because you’re washed doesn’t mean you can’t get dirty again.” — Trey Kirby (81:31)

Transcript

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[B]

A ledgehead.

[A]

You're a deadhead. He's a ledgehead.

[B]

Excellent.

[A]

We learned that the show was last night in Niagara Falls. I thought it might be tonight, but it was last night. Asked Tas for the legend report and he said, quote, John is tired. He was all right. Wasn't 100% for Ontario as he kept calling it. So that's the John Legend report from our very own Tas Melas on the scene at the Falls.

[B]

John's tired, so I guess he was shouting out Ontario because this was at the Falls, not in Toronto. Funny.

[A]

I know it's a little weird.

[B]

Shout out to Georgia.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

That's kind of what it is.

[A]

Just shouting out the province.

[C]

Know Hello. Niagara Falls does not exactly roll off the tongue, you know?

[A]

No. And like, in John's defense, how many of those people lived in Niagara Falls that were coming to the casino to see John Legend? I think it's low.

[B]

You think it's like task traveling in?

[A]

Yeah. Well, maybe not. Maybe not from Atlanta, Georgia, like the Ledge head tasses. But I think maybe from Toronto, Buffalo, you know, so is probably right. Anyway, great report there from Tess. Okay, on today's Drop podcast, we're going to rank the worst teams in the league. We have three teams with one win.

[B]

Oh, baby.

[A]

So we're going to rank them. We'll talk about brutal vibes. We'll rank the teams with some of the worst vibes in the league as well. We'll recap last night's action. Only three games. And because it's the end of the week, we'll answer some rapid fire questions. But first, I want to congratulate everyone. This show outlasted Steph Curry and Under Armour. Hey. Yeah. Yeah. We did it. They're mutually parting ways. So Curry left Nike and signed with Under Armour in 2013, right when we were starting up the starters.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

So lasted a while, but going their separate ways.

[B]

If I'm not mistaken, old Nico Harrison was involved with the Steph Curry pitch from Nike, where they called him Stefan and just copy and pasted everything they did for Kevin Durant. Didn't go well. No, that's Under Armour. Remember they released those Curry 2 lows, the all white ones.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Remember that? That was a legendary moment on the end. That's got to be like his first retro when they go full independent Curry brand. Drop those big white marshmallows again.

[A]

Have you ever played in Under Armour shoes or Curries? No, no, I haven't had that.

[B]

But I see them a lot. People. There are quite a few people that wear them at pickup.

[A]

All right, well, let's get into our main topic here today. And it was inspired by somebody in the YouTube comments, the Shively Show. 5784 left a comment, and I think it was off of you talking about maybe players that were struggling early on. I think that's what it was. But they wrote, quote, we need a first team, all washed. Guys that are struggling, guys that are maybe getting up there in age, just don't have it anymore. They thought, hey, that's a fun idea. That's a good idea for the Drop podcast, especially with just the two of us. So that's what we're doing. Here, today, we're drafting all washed teams. Trey and I will go back and forth, but to spice this up a little bit, we're going to. We've got some different categories. Round one, we're drafting NBA Grandpa's. That's what we're calling them. Okay. What's an NBA Grandpa? Someone over the age of 35.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ancient.

[A]

Yeah. Super old. Then round two, we're doing old guys, which are guys in their early 30s. Round three is going to be fascinating because we're doing young guys. Okay. We're saying anyone in their 20s. So from 20 to 29 counts for that one. And then round four and round five, it's a wild card. You can go wherever you want. You can go back to Grandpa's old guys, maybe some other younger guys. So we're drafting all washed teams. Trey, we're going to give you the first pick with this. We'll just go back and forth each round. So, NBA Grandpa, where do you want to start? We got the draft music. All right.

[B]

This is tough, man. I feel like there's two great number one choices here. I think we're both getting the point guard if we really want to, but. Who do you go for? I gotta take Kyle Lowry. What?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I gotta take Kyle.

[A]

I think he's a shot.

[B]

He's played one game. Kyle Lowry has.

[A]

Dare you.

[B]

No offense to Kyle Lowry, but I think he's going to be on TV for Amazon more than he is for the Philadelphia 76ers. He's played three minutes so far. Yeah, he did make his one three point attempt.

[A]

100%. He's looking good.

[B]

He's looking good from that perspective. But I think Kyle Lowry here is to. Is back on the Sixers to cash checks in his final season. He'll be making $2.3 million this year just to hang out.

[A]

Hey, why not?

[B]

You can tell he's washed because he wears a sleeveless undershirt under his jersey. Just not a look you see, for a guy who's making it happen out there.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I know. You were even thinking I was gonna go with. You're gonna take him here.

[A]

Okay, well, I'm going Lowry. Okay. Okay. Kyle Lowry off the board. The number one pick may be a little surprising. There's unfortunately a lot of guys to sort of pick from here in this category and Grandpa's. We're going to get some more picks here in the wild cards, I think.

[B]

Oh, definitely. This is. This is like the 2026 NBA draft. People are vying for the number one pick. Because there's three guys who have a very solid choice and they're saying I messed it up, man. They're saying you dropped the ball here with the number one pick. Kyle Lowry doesn't play.

[A]

Well, I guess you don't play. I guess people maybe can make the argument, too. You drop the ball in the sense, like, you know, I'm never taking Lowry.

[B]

Also true.

[A]

Right. The groat. So he would have been there. But anyway, this is a funny category because I checked on Basketball Reference. There are only 23 guys 35 years or older who have played this season. It was at 22, but Garrett Temple saw some action last night for the Raptors. So that gets us to 23. That does not include LeBron. It does not include Paul George, who haven't seen the floor yet this season. So it's going to be 25 guys once they come back. But I will go with the other point guard that I thought maybe you would take. Then again, you do love him or you have sort of a love hate relationship with Chris Paul, who I'm taking number one.

[B]

I've never once loved Chris Paul.

[A]

Okay, okay. Well, I thought you came around on him at once.

[B]

Upon a time, he was a good player. He's undeniably a good player. Or he was.

[A]

Yeah. But he's pretty washed right now. He's playing a little bit more than Kyle Lowry.

[B]

Not anymore.

[A]

Well, no, no. But his stats are wild. This is the point God. Right? This is one of the best point guards we've ever seen in history. He's obviously very old. He's 40. I mean, he's really old. He's averaging 2.3 points per game, 3.6 assists. And his shooting numbers are wild. 24% from the floor, 26% from three. Yeah. We've maybe seen the last of him sort of in any sort of prominent role in the Clippers. Look, we got a lot of guys from the Clippers we could draft in this.

[B]

Yes. You could just draft a full team of Clippers.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, you could. Might happen easily. Could get to four. Yeah. The fifth. Yeah. Okay. Batuu.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

Anyway, Chris Paul is going to be my pick here.

[B]

I mean, a great pick. And this might be Kevin Durant going number two behind Greg Odin, because the Clippers were expecting something from Chris Paul. Kyle Lowry is kind of like, oh, he's still there.

[A]

Yeah. That's why it's. This is why this is an interesting exercise. It does. It's sort of like how you think about Wash. Like, does the player have to had some expectations or was of course pretty good and was really fallen off. And you're right, Lowry. I mean Lowry was washed last year. Chris Paul. Chris Paul was starting.

[B]

He started playing 82 games last year.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's pretty amazing.

[A]

And was like. Not like he was like point God, Chris Paul. But was fine. He played. He was okay. So I will take Chris Paul. All right. That's NBA grandpa's again. There's going to be more of those guys selected in the wild card rounds. But we go to the second round here. It's Old Gu. Early 30s. Where are you going, TK?

[B]

This is a man who is 32 and 139 days old. I gotta get me a Clipper.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

I gotta do it.

[B]

Bradley Beal, come on down. You're on my all wash team. I already got a point guard. Give me a shooting guard. Couldn't believe Ty Lue said he was the third best player on the Clippers out for the season with a hip injury. That is an old guy injury. Hip injury. But yeah, not a great start for Bradley Beal. Six games played, 20 minutes per game shooting 37 from the field. Hey, all 37 from three. That's all right. But didn't look good out there. Bradley Beal, he was supposed to be like the lockdown defender in their starting lineup. In related news, the Clippers are struggling this year.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's crazy.

[C]

Who.

[B]

Whoever said that the Clippers were going to be better than the Lakers this year. Couldn't have been me. There's no way. We made a short about.

[A]

Yeah. Year 15 of everybody convincing themselves the Clippers might be. Yeah.

[B]

Bradley Beal.

[A]

Give me.

[B]

Give me that, Brad. Yeah.

[A]

So he fits this window. Like you said, he's not over 35, he's over 30. So he's just an old guy to us here in round two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fractured hip.

[B]

Not good.

[A]

Fractured hip. And we don't even know like how he did it. It sort of feels.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like what? Yeah, getting out of bed. I mean, that's an old guy injury right there.

[B]

Yeah. Did he have his life alert when it happened?

[A]

Hopefully. Did you hear what Tyloo just recently said too? Off of the Bradley Beal injury, Their third best player.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I disagree.

[A]

You disagree?

[B]

I disagree.

[A]

Yeah. That was weird.

[B]

Weird stuff is happening in la. Maybe he's just trying to make him feel good, you know, while he's resting there in the hospital, I assume.

[A]

Okay, so you have a point guard and a shooting guard because you Slipped it in there. Yeah. Are you trying to build like an actual roster? All washed roster?

[B]

Not necessarily, but if it happens, it happens.

[A]

Okay. All right. Well, I have the next pick here in the old guys, which there are fewer to me washed players than the, than the Grandpa's, but. Okay, where do I go here? I mean I could do it now. He's gonna be there. I'll wait. Give me. No, let's do it. Let's get fun. I'll take Joel Embiid.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. I had him as a wild card.

[A]

But yeah, yeah, I was gonna leave him for a wild card. Okay. Maybe you would have taken him.

[B]

I would have definitely.

[A]

Now he's the best. He's going to be the best player I think on this entire all wash team that either of us select. And when he plays, obviously the stats are still there. But this is not great that he has a day to day right knee injury. And I don't. This is ones that I'm not even sure when that happened either. He's had every injury known to man at this point. He has broken his eye socket. He's had a torn up other knee. Now this knee is lingering. He's had a hand injury. He had. Jesus Christ. He had Bell's palsy at one point. And I saw Marcus Hayes for the Philly Inquirer write Embiid probably being day to day every day until the final day of his new three year, $188 million contract. Like, is this just where we're at with him? That contract doesn't kick in till next year.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. He signed through 2029.

[A]

That is just wild. And again he's going to be the best player. But it's tough. It's, it's. His body is just like failed him like every piece of his body here. So I'll maybe reach here going early, but I'll take duo Embiid.

[B]

I think this is a good get to get Embiid. And it's like when you look at your washing machine, there are different soil levels. You know, it's like light, medium, heavy soil. How many rinses do you wash right. Do you want? So I think there are different levels to be in wash tier because you're right. Joel Embiid, when he plays he can still score, he can still influence the game. He just can't play a ton of minutes and you don't know specifically what he's going to look like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or when exactly he's going to play. And it completely changes the sixers style when he's on the court. They're like a fast paced, perimeter oriented team when a beat is not out there and then when he is there he's helpful screening. But like he takes up big post op opportunities and is kind of plotting getting up and down the court. It's just a bummer, man. In the 2324 season he was averaging more points than minutes. Then he got banged up last year and has never come back.

[A]

Yeah. And what's weird though is like he came into this season sort of healthy for Joel Embiid.

[B]

Right.

[A]

There was nothing really. Yeah, that. Yeah. You know what I mean for Embiid is what I mean. He does have a good attitude. Like it's nice to see that.

[B]

Like he seems like happy for the Sixers to be playing. Well, I would say that.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. But it's just unfortunate and wow, I cannot believe that contract doesn't start until next season. Holy moly.

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[A]

All right, third round gets a little weird here. We're taking washed young guys.

[B]

Washed young guys.

[A]

So somebody in their 20s. Trey, who are you basically giving up on?

[B]

Yeah, this is kind of tough. Let me check my age here. Oh, yeah. Coming in right under.

[A]

Oh, okay. The.

[B]

The. The regulations. 29 years old, 188 days. Man, do I want to. Are the people gonna dunk on me? Are they gonna say, turns out you're the one who watched. Imagine the irony. Can't totally disagree if you were to say, so give me Tyus Jones.

[A]

Okay. Okay. I wasn't expecting a Tyus Jones.

[B]

You didn't have Ty's Jones on your draft board?

[A]

I didn't. I, um. But I get why. And you've. You've always, I think, pointed out that he gets maybe. What's the word I'm looking for?

[B]

Completely overrated. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You've said this before. For years.

[B]

He's. He. People like his assisted turnover ratio. It's because he doesn't take any chances. He's not really a shooter. And there was a reason he was a backup point guard. He's played 150 minutes this season. How many points do you think Tyus Jones has scored in 150 minutes? You know, he's playing every game.

[A]

It's got to be low. I know he's shooting brutal this year.

[B]

He's shooting 31% from the field. 12 and a half percent.

[A]

And you said he's just under 30. Eh, he's 29.

[B]

Yes, he's just under 30.

[A]

How many points has he scored?

[B]

30 combined 20 total points.

[A]

Oh, my God. Wow.

[B]

Yeah, he's averaging. He's averaging 1.7 points per game and 1.3 assists per game in significant minutes. Sort of significant minutes. 12 and a half minutes per game. But they brought him in to be, like, the steady point guard for that team, and that has not been the case at all.

[D]

No.

[B]

A literal double single. He's averaging.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Wow. Tyus. Tyus Jones on the magic. I think people forget he's even on the magic.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

You could ask a hundred people. I think maybe 10 would say that's where he is. All right, I have the next pick here in young guys. I'm taking someone that turns 21 next week.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm taking Cody Williams, Absolutely. Was he on your list?

[B]

Yes, he is on my wild card list, technically, but yeah.

[A]

Okay, now, I know this is. This all sounds mean. I get it. This is part of the fun. So it's a little tongue in cheek, but he had a historically awful rookie season last year. It was one of the worst, obviously, on a Utah Jazz team where, like, there was opportunity, there was a chance. Like, they're sort of, like, tanking, and he hasn't been much better in limited minutes here. He's almost out of the rotation at this point, too. Like, he's. He gets like, whatever, 10 to 15 minutes a game. He's played in seven, so some games he doesn't. I should say. He's averaging three points per game. And the thing is, I'm like. I look at him, I'm like, ooh, are you, like, best case scenario, Patrick Williams and. And more likely Cam Reddish. Like, I'm start. You get those vibes from Cody Williams, who went 10th overall right? In the draft?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Huh. Similar to Cam reddish. He went 10th.

[B]

He did.

[A]

In his draft. He did. So I go, cody Williams, you know, was he drafted with a little bit off the back of his brother being in the league? And he had a good month. He had one really good stretch. There was one stretch where he played well in college. Anyway, I go, cody Williams, sorry, buddy.

[B]

Yes. He's having trouble getting on the court for a team that's in a rebuild, and I think that's pretty indicative of where he stands out there. The Jazz, like, have needed wing guys. Like, you're saying you went 10th in a. In a down year?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

For the draft, for sure. But he is. Yeah, he's looking like Patrick Williams at the ceiling right now.

[A]

Yikes.

[B]

Okay, so Jalen was a late bloomer.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

Jalen Williams was a late bloomer.

[A]

Hey, look, I hope he proves me wrong. Yeah. I hope he hears this and it's like, what I got draft to an all wash team. I'm not even 21. Turns 21 next week.

[B]

That's pretty young to be washed.

[A]

It's very young, but I don't know if he's going to be around all that long. Okay, let's go to wild card round. So you can go anywhere. Grandpa's old guys. More young guys. Where are you going, man?

[B]

Come on over here, Grandpa. Klay Thompson is the pick here. Eight and a half points per game, shooting 29% from the field, and he has finally been benched by the Dallas Mavericks. He's come off the Bench in their last four games. So Clay, he didn't really sign up for this in Dallas. He signed up to be a knockdown three point shooter, getting dishes from Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving. They gave him a bigger offer to go to LA where his dad played, where Clay grew up, and he said, no, I have a chance to win a title with Luka Doncic in Dallas, and Luka Doncic is in LA right now. So. Klay Thompson, four rings. I feel like that was kind of the start of when Klay Thompson started tailing off a little bit. Remember his last year in Golden State, he was getting in a lot of, like, on court skirmishes, he'd always be throwing up. Four rings, four rings, four rings. It's like, yeah, that's the past, man. And it's feeling like that's the past significantly here. He needs to make open threes because I feel like when he puts the ball on the floor, the defense is just feasting and ready to take it from him.

[C]

So.

[B]

Klay Thompson, hall of Famer, top 77 player of all time. But age comes for all of us.

[A]

It does. It does. It also came for this guy. So I guess almost similar to your Klay Thompson pick. Give me Kevin Love. I'm taking love. I'm going back to the Jazz. Back to back Jazz picks here. Super young, super old. He's 37. He, like, the biggest thing when I watch Jazz games is like, man, him trying to guard anyone. Like even last night with the Hawks, lighting them up, like, putting poor Kevin Love in any action. Like, like there's a big reason. Akongu hit like seven or eight threes last night. Yeah. Loves out there in a lot of them. So I will go with him. This guy, I mean, he's borderline hall of Famer, five time all star, got the ring.

[B]

I think he made a Final Four when he was in college.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Kevin Love would be a Hall of Famer.

[A]

Yeah, it's gonna be close. So he's an awesome player is the point. Maybe he's a top 78 player of all time if we kept the list going. But I'll take. I'll take Kevin Love. I was deciding between another Jazz player and another Clipper player, but I'll leave it at that right now. So, big Love, Any thoughts on him?

[B]

Similar to Joel Embiid. He looks happy. Yeah, he looks like he's having a good time on the Jazz. I know in preseason he's like, in the past I would have pouted going being traded to a Bad team. Instead, he's trying to be a good teammate. The Walker Kessler injury has probably forced him into a bigger role than he was even anticipating this year. But he literally looks like me out there. The guy is so gray.

[A]

He's very gray.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

There's not a lot of guys that have the Cal Ripken look in the NBA, but he does. Yep.

[A]

And some of these guys, maybe not Clay as much, but like Kevin Love, Lowry to some extent. Like, they're, they're, they're on these teams. Like DeAndre Jordan comes to mind. Like, they're on these teams because they're a great locker room presence.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

They can teach some of these younger guys what it takes to win at this level. Like, I get all that. But when you watch them play, you're like, oh, man. Like, yeah, he just, it just jumps out to you. Like, he's just so old.

[B]

He can still throw a beautiful outlet pass.

[A]

He can still do that. He can still pass for sure.

[B]

That's the perfect play for Kevin Love at this stage in his career. Chuck the outlet pass. I don't gotta run. Yeah. I'll stay back here.

[A]

He's shooting 35% from the field, 26% from three. I mean, he was. He's a really good career three point shooter. Yes. For a big guy. So Love off the board. All right, final round. It's also a wild card. Tons of names left.

[B]

A lot of names. Names. Guys I'm considering Bogdan Bogdanovic.

[A]

Yeah. Have him in consideration. But I wonder just how much of it is injury related? And he's 33 or is he older? No, he might be older.

[B]

He. I don't know. That's a guy who's. I'm not off. He was in the second group.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For sure. He is 33 years old and 88 days in particular. I guess this man would be a grandpa as well. Who I'm going to end up drafting another guy I considered, kcp, I think is in the mix for sure. Jonathan Isaac. John Morant.

[A]

Oh, John Morant.

[B]

I was wondering, but ultimately I'm going.

[A]

Paul George hasn't played.

[B]

Why not?

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Why is he not played? He got cleared to practice a month ago. They say he's mirroring his return. They're trying to build up his leg strength so that his knee can hold up. And it just seems very odd to me that he would have been practicing for a month but not get back on the court. So I don't know. I mean, he had a down year last year. He hasn't played since March of 2025. It's almost December. That's nine months off without like a specific sort of thing happening. I just don't know what's going on out there.

[A]

Right, right, right.

[B]

And that's the bigger question to me, it's like, why is he not playing? They could use him. I know Justin Edwards got super hot against the Celtics, but I think Paul George could still help a team. He's a guy who I think if he gets back on the court, probably isn't on the all washed team. But I'm a little curious about his lack of availability this season. He should be back at this point.

[A]

You would think. Okay. Paul George, despite not even stepping on the floor. The final wild card selection for tk. So I have the final pick here. Let's run through some other names. Brook Lopez.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

This guy, all he does is just shoot threes now. I think his shot diet is like 70% are three point attempts. Eric Gordon, another sixer.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, boy. I have to admit, I was like, oh, yeah. Eric Gordon is still in the league.

[B]

He plays.

[A]

He plays more than you think.

[B]

I know because Paul George does it right.

[A]

DeAndre Jordan, he's played. He started one game that was out.

[B]

Of nowhere against Jokic.

[A]

Yeah, it's pretty funny. Yeah. Al Horford again. Grandpa. Nicholas Batum. There's another Clipper. Mike Conley.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

And then younger guys. CJ McCollum. Dennis Schroeder has been garbage for the Kings after a really good year last year with the Pistons. Chris Middleton unfortunately too. I guess just right there with McCollum on the Wizards. Yusuf Nurkic.

[B]

That's a Jazzer.

[A]

Buddy Heald. Buddy Heald is bad right now.

[B]

Yeah. That's just not Buddy.

[A]

Just a streak. Yeah, I agree.

[B]

Yeah. I'll shoot 50% in a month.

[A]

I got two Jordans that are young. I considered Jordan Poole and Jordan Hawkins.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You already said John Moran.

[B]

Two Jordans on that team.

[A]

Huh? I still believe in Bub Carrington, but God, he's back, so I'm not taking him. So, yeah, there's a lot of guys. Is there anyone else I missed from a very long list?

[B]

Let me see who else I got. Did I say Jonathan Isaac earlier?

[A]

Yeah, you did.

[B]

That's a guy who's in the mix. D' Angelo Russell. Yeah, you said Middleton. He's up there. Caleb Martin I think would be another one who I would consider. I'm a little concern. A kiss about Lamelo Ball and Brandon Miller. Lamelo supposedly is going to be Back this weekend, maybe he gets off the all list. But if his ankle specifically is washed, that's a problem because he's been missing so much time over the past three seasons with recurring right ankle injuries to the point where people are like, is the reason he shoots one legged fadeaways because he can't jump off his right ankle. And he's more available than Brandon Miller is, who doesn't have shoulders.

[A]

Yeah, right. All right. I think I'm ultimately going to select because I want to, like, actually make my team a competent team. I have a point guard. I have Chris Paul. I got my big man. I got Joel Embiid, I got a wing in Cody Williams. I got my power forward in Kevin Love. So I need a shooting guard. I need a shooting guard. You already took Clay, which was the best shooting guard, and you got Beal, too. Damn. So that leaves me with. I'm torn between CJ McCollum and Eric Gordon. I think CJ still got some big games left in him there.

[B]

So give me 42.

[A]

Give me Eric Gordon. Exactly. I'll take Eric Gordon on the Sixers, who you said has played more than you think, but has he. He's played in three games.

[B]

Maybe I have to see.

[A]

You watched all three.

[B]

Every minute Aaron Gordon has played. I'm a completist.

[A]

He played last year like half the season, so he's not playing a lot. So, you know, you know, take it with a grain of salt. But he's. He's averaging obviously barely any points because he barely plays. So it's. He's just shocking that he's still in the league.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's where we're at with Eric Jordan. So there we go. Let's recap our team.

[B]

Wow. Does that mean literally four Sixers got drafted? Embiid, Paul George, Kyle Lowry and Andrew two Jazz.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. Four Sixers is a little shocking. A lot of Clippers left on the board.

[B]

A lot of clippers.

[A]

All right, give us your team, your all wash team.

[B]

My team is Chris Paul. My other.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

[B]

I wrote it down wrong. I guess I should have. I'm Nico Harris. Or I'm Patrick Dumont.

[A]

I'm. My bad guys.

[B]

I made up a second. I have to admit it. Get Nicholas Dickinson over here. I'm sorry.

[A]

I should have taken Chris Paul with.

[B]

The number one pick, but I took Kyle Lowry as my grandpa. My other old guy is Bradley Beal. My young guy, Tyus Jones. And then my wild cards were Klay Thompson, also a grandpa, and Paul George, who Hasn't yet stepped on the court, but is my wild card.

[A]

Yeah. And also a grandpa, actually.

[B]

Yes, also a grandpa.

[A]

Okay. I liked what you did at the end of your draft for sure. My All Wash team. My NBA grandpa, Chris Paul, my old guy who is still good, but man, not for that money. Joel Embiid, my young guy, Cody Williams, Kevin Love is my wild card pick. And then Eric Gordon, my final pick. So I do. I like my team there. I've got my great roster. So who drafted the best All Wash team and who would have you selected? Because. Yeah, there's, you know, there's a lot of clippers.

[B]

Who got snubbed.

[A]

Who got snubbed?

[B]

We got. We gotta track down a copy of 2K26 and run these teams play each other. Yeah, I think you would win.

[A]

Well, you don't want.

[B]

You would win because you would have Embiid.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And he's gonna be healthy on the video game.

[A]

Yeah, but I don't. But this is funny. I don't want to win because that means you drafted the better All Wash team if you lose. Wow. I don't know. I don't know. All right, so that's a lot of fun thanks to. Who was that again?

[B]

The Shively Show.

[A]

The Shively show here in the stream team today. Okay, well, how did we do there, Shively? How did we do with. When it came to drafting the Allwash teams? All right, lots more to talk about from last night's games and bad vibes and the worst teams in the league. But let's take a quick break.

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[A]

Okay, so let's talk a little bit about last night and we're gonna have some fun with this. We're gonna play Rank em. So I have a few categories for you Trey to rank in order three things within each thing. And we're starting with last night's wins. We had the Raptors going into Cleveland, getting a big dub. We had the Suns beating the Pacers and we had the Hawks led by a couple guys putting up huge games, beating the Utah Jazz so rank em from most impressive I guess way we're looking at it to least impressive.

[B]

This is kind of complicated. Yeah, because I do think the Raptors got the best win. They beat the best team last night and it was on the road. Cleveland could not get a stop, could not get a rebound. It felt like in the Raptors played great. Maybe they just got the Cavs number. Only time will tell. But I'm ranking at Raptors, Hawks, Suns and in particular I'm just most impressed with what the Hawks are doing on this road trip they're on right now. They're 6 and 2 since Trey Young went down second in defense. You mentioned some huge games last night. That includes Jalen Johnson having a career best game, 31 points, 18 boards, 14 assists and seven steals. Jesus, this guy was cooking. That was pretty impressive the way he was playing. I felt like he had so many assists from getting to like the restricted area charge circle and then just kicking.

[A]

It back or flipping it back and.

[B]

It was on yeka a Kong woo knocking down a whole bunch of threes. Hit eight last night. I don't know how many points he ended up scoring.

[A]

32.

[B]

Yeah, 32 and 11 for him with the eight threes. As I said said V Craichy has been on fire in the last three games. 17 of 32 from 3. I think he had his first five last night. Vet was looking great. All of our College Park Skyhawks are playing well now, so good. Hawks have the Pistons here in Atlanta on Tuesday. That should be a pretty good game. Hawks are playing really well right now. The ball is really moving without Trey Young out there. I'm not saying they're a better team, but they put out a good defensive squad. Everybody as long everybody is active and athletic and they can really disrupt on the defensive end and then they're doing it by committee on the offensive end. It's been super, super impressive. And look, the Suns are playing well too. Five straight wins for them. The main thing that stuck out to me, great game for Booker, great game for Dillon Brooks. But a disgusting injury for Aaron Nesmith. Oh yeah, this stepped on Jeremiah Robinson Earl's ankle. It looked like Jeremiah Robinson's Earl ankle.

[A]

It's too long a name.

[B]

I thought he was going to be the one with the injury the way that things bent down. But it turned out KN Smith left with knee sore and as I saw Rick Carlile said that they probably dodged a bullet. Not a serious injury for NE Smith, but like the least thing they need is another injury on that team. Suns are looking good, though, but ultimately I'm going Raptors son or Raptors Suns in order?

[A]

I think that. Yeah, I think that's the right order. I'm glad you got a little love in there for the Raps. Scotty Barnes is awesome right now. This guy is hooping. And I know he gets up for any game against Evan Mobley because there's always been that talk from the. From the draft class, but just he was everywhere last night. 28 points, 10 boards, eight assists. He had five blocks. At one point he was playing so hard from end to end. Like he subbed out and he was like just lying on his back exhausted and, you know, like he's like trying to keep his back loose and all that, but it was like he was like huffing and puffing because he was bringing the energy. Emmanuel Quickley. I'm sorry I ever doubted you. This guy's catching fire now. Here, look, he's better. The thing is, he's better with purdl him. When he's with purl, it works. Obviously, a little more room for him to operate. He's hitting the threes now. He hit five last night. 10 of 13. The threes are getting deeper and deeper. So he's starting to feel that this was a. This was a really good win because they're down early. Came back then. You knew the Cavs were going to come back at some point. Sort of had the Donovan Mitchell trips to the free throw line. You're like, ah, oh, they're going to lose this on the road. But then they sort of just put their foot down and had a really dominant fourth quarter. Mamu and shed these guys really good. Those two guys off the bench. I told you weeks ago. Wait, wait until the. Wow. The Raptors bench this new bench mobile. They're pretty dominant. Wait for all those articles to start coming. They're happening now in the Toronto media landscape. Wait till they sort of sprinkle into the national media landscape or Zach Lowe starts talking about them or whatever. You'll see it's coming.

[B]

Zach Lowe's going to talk up the Raptors.

[A]

I don't know. Fair point, fair point. But you get my point.

[B]

Yeah. The portal thing is interesting because quickly, to me, despite his name, isn't beating people off the dribble by himself, but give him a screen. And he really knows how to operate, whether it be an off ball screen or a pick and roll sort of. So definitely having a big guy out there is instrumental in quickly being an effective offensive player. He looked great last Night. And I thought the Cavs just kind of looked. I know it was the second night of a back to back, but they rested Mobley. They rested Donovan Mitchell the night before. Jared Allen, I didn't think looked very good in this one. And definitely Barnes took it to Mobley.

[A]

I thought. Yeah. And just. I was going to say it was impressive to put up 126 points in a win where Brandon Ingram struggled. RJ Barrett, who's been very consistent all year in a good way, a positive way, he struggled. So they still found all these contributions and a lot of it was like quickly in purdl and then the bench coming in there to go with Barnes, so. All right, I'm with you on Raps. Hawks, Suns. And the Suns are. I'm happy to see them playing hard. Yeah.

[B]

And I think it's actually Hawks versus Suns as well as the last game of the road trip for Atlanta. Ooh, okay, that's a good one. That's on Sunday. And then they play here in Atlanta like I said, on Tuesday against the Pistons.

[A]

Those are great. Two good teams right now playing some of the best basketball in the league. Okay, next one here, Jalen Johnson, he's looking like he's going to be an all star for the first time if he stays healthy. Because remember last year we were saying that as well and then he unfortunately got hurt. But rank these Trey. And they're all international guys. Denny Avdia, Josh Giddey, and Jamal Murray as potential first time all stars. So obviously most likely to maybe. Least likely.

[B]

Yeah. I got to pull up my stat head comparisons here so I can get a nice look at it. Ultimately, I'm going Avdia Murray, Giddy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Asked me a week and a half ago. Giddy's number one.

[A]

Right. Right.

[B]

Balls have fallen off. That's crazy. I never expected that. They started playing all these good teams on the road. What? How did that happen?

[A]

Yeah, I can humble you quick. Yeah.

[B]

But basically I favor a number one guy over a number two guy. No offense to Jamal Murray. He's playing with the best player in the world who can't miss a shot right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the only way you can stop him is the double team. And man, the Clipper said, nah, we're not going to do that. Just see how many shots you can make. All of them, it turns out, for Nicola Jokic. But Denny Abdia, 26 a game, six boards, five assists, shooting almost 49% from the field, knocking down his threes. He gets to the line all the time. When they signed Jrue Holiday, or traded for Drew Holiday, I suppose, over the summer. I thought Jrue Holiday is going to be the playmaker for the Blazers out there. But it's Abdia. He is their trigger man. He's their go to guy. And I think it's been pretty impressive the way the Blazers have played on the defensive end. And they're getting enough from Abdia and the supporting players as well to be really surprising in the Western Conference. The Trailblazers are beating good teams and they're making them really work for it. So I think Denny would be my number one choice right now.

[A]

Blazers play another really good team tonight in Houston in a, in a cup game. And the Blazers won their first cup game. I think the Rockets lost. So the Rockets are obviously going to want to try and get that one back and have any chance to move on. So you went Avdia, Murray, Giddey. Yes, I like it. I think I would put though Jamal ahead of Abdia for two reasons. Projecting forward to when the people are actually filling out the ballots. The Nuggets are going to have a better record. So they're going to be near the top of the Western Conference. They are. Right now I think they're 9 and 2, only the Thunder better. And the other part is like, I feel like a head coach is going to be like, well, it's Jamal's time. It's Jamal Murray's time. He's been sort of in consideration for an all star spot for a couple years. Let's get him in there. Now they have a dominant record. You know, we got this international twist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, where Abdia maybe even giddy like they're pushed down like the pecking order, like, we'll get to you, young kid, in a couple years. I could see that coming into play. Maybe, I don't know. All three of them making it is probably unlikely, but two of the three. Yeah, it's in the mix. So I'll just. I'll just switch those right now. And that's not me being a Canadian homer. I just think the head coaches, they do do that sometimes.

[C]

They do do.

[A]

When they're like really close. It's like, ah, let's give it to the guy that we've been contemplating for a couple of years. So I'll go Jamal, Abdia and Giddy. All right, next one's going to be fun here. Bad vibes. Rank them giving you three teams. Could have probably put a couple other teams in, but we'll leave it at Mavericks. The Grizzlies and the Kings and I don't know if you want to rank them from the wor the worst vibes to the vibes that are not as bad or the other way around, but have at it.

[B]

Things are great in Dallas now. They got rid of Nico. It's on the up and up. Okay, Cooper, Flag saying all the right things. We haven't given the fans a lot to cheer for this year. Fair enough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, maybe they'll trade Anthony Davis. We'll see. The big cloud that was hanging over them though, it's dissipating. We're talking cumulo nimbus up there. Fun word to say. Cumulonimbus. The worst vibes in the league right now are the Grizzlies, though.

[A]

Wow. Okay.

[B]

It's a tough call. It's a quite a tough call. But I feel like the Grizzlies are actively trying to get their coach fired and it might happen. They've got the Cavs on Saturday, they've got the spurs on Tuesday. These are both road games and I would not be surprised that they said, thomas, you can just stay in San Antonio. You don't need to come back with us to Memphis because they've pretty much given up. John Morant definitely has. That's why we were talking about him in our all Wash draft earlier. But Jaren Jackson Jr. Does not seem like he is into this season either. I don't know if it's the substitution patterns that are different. The way that Isolo is doing. Very rapid subs, shorter stints. You know, guys come over in the draft and they're like, yeah, he only played 16 minutes a game for his team overseas.

[A]

Like, what?

[B]

How did that happen? It's because of these short stints. So it's a more Euro League approach that Memphis is trying and it feels like the players are rebelling. They've got a ton of injuries as well. They signed Jaren Jackson Jr. To a big extension. Trades are not really going to start happening for another month here and it feels like something needs to change and that would be the most likely to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For the Grizzlies to do.

[A]

Yeah. I couldn't select ultimately John Morant in the all washed draft because I believe I'm on record saying when he gets moved, wherever he gets moved, John Morant's going to bounce right back a la Jimmy Butler. When he went from Miami to Golden State, a la Vince Carter, back in the day when he went from Toronto to New Jersey, I think that'll be enlightening. For him. So that's why I didn't take him. But I would have. I'm with you on the Grizzlies being just down in the dumps, and it's miserable. And they're only one game better because they've played one more and got one more victory than the Mavericks and the Kings, like, everybody's saying, oh, my God. Mavericks, three and nine. Oh, Kings, man, they're brutal. Oh, like, yeah, The Grizzlies are basically the same as what we're getting at here. Four and nine right now. So I would go Grizzlies. It's amazing not to have the Kings first. That's how bad the Grizz vibes are. And then maybe the Mavericks, yeah. Are feeling a little bit better after Nico Harrison. Fire. So I think you have it right here.

[B]

Yeah, the Kings are struggling right now. They've lost their last four games by a total of 105 points, which is the worst for the Kings since 1991. And there have been some bad Kings teams in those times. They're getting smashed by. Not the greatest competition either.

[A]

No, no. And, like, now Doug Christie, who's coming out there saying, call me by my full name.

[B]

Full name, Doug.

[A]

We'll get into that in rapid fire. He basically, like, seems to be telling the fan base, like, just stick with us. You know, bumpy part of the road, but we're going to be trading as many of these guys as we can. That's sort of like, I'm. I'm reading into it, but, my God, that was my interpretation.

[B]

Yeah. He is basically like, I could put on a jersey and be better than these guys. That's what the coach said. And I say, do it.

[A]

Do it, Doug.

[B]

Yeah. We haven't had a player coach for a long time. That would be a great way to honor Lenny Wilkins.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let Doug Christie get out there and player coach for the Kings. Let's see if they can win or lose by less than 30.

[A]

Okay, so, Grizz Kings Mavs, do you agree or disagree with the bad vibes? Order. And then final one here alluded to it off the top of the show. We have three teams somehow in this league, with one win, we are more than one eighth of the way through the regular season. Three teams, the Nets, the Pacers, and the wizards, still at 1.

[B]

They're all in the Eastern Conference.

[A]

Trey Rankham.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

Who's the worst of the bunch of those three teams?

[B]

An impossible question. This is so hard. You're like, you're looking at the net ratings, the Offense and defense ratings. They all got a 30th somewhere. They're all the worst team at some point. The Nets only win, it's against the Pacers. Okay, that was on November 5th. The most recent win for these teams. The Pacers only win, it was against the Warriors. How did that happen? They beat a full strength warriors team.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

November 1st. Very weird. The Wizards only win was against the Mavs when they were really struggling. That was October 24th. And since then they have been getting smoked.

[A]

That's when I said the Wizards. They're a scrappy bunch.

[B]

They're scrappy.

[A]

I definitely said that on this show when we were talking about even the bottom of the barrel teams. You know, there's something there. And I, and I included the Wizards. But yeah, okay.

[B]

Yeah, they're losing pretty badly as well. They are 30th in net rating despite only being 28th on offense and 28th on defense. How does it all add up? I don't get it. But they get beaten by a lot. So my rankings go 28th, best team, Nets 29th, Wizards, and then the Pacers 30th. I don't really think the Pacers are the worst team, but everybody on their team except for Siakam basically has been injured at some point this year. So until they have some semblance of full health, I think they're the worst team. But I think the Nets and Wizards probably end up with worse records.

[A]

Right, right. And if I were like, if we had a weird version of the NBA cup and only these three teams were in like the, okay, you know, the toilet bowl division or whatever, I would have more faith because of Rick Carlisle, because of Siakam, the best player on any of these teams. The other pieces, yeah, everybody else is injured. I would have more faith in the Pacers beating the Nets and Wizards in one game series to advance. So that's why I'll put them as the least worse of the three. But man, trying to decide between the Nets and Wizards.

[B]

When do they play?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I guess they play Sunday.

[A]

We're gonna find out. Let's go. We're gonna find out.

[B]

You're gonna be locked into that one 6pm on a Sunday.

[A]

Did we make our nut Dust bowl team selections too quick? Should we have waited till this point? Now we have three teams with one win and maybe we should like Redraft because I had the Jazz and Jazz, man, they're decent.

[B]

They're looking good compared to these teams.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I had the Nets. I had The Wizards.

[A]

Oh, so you guys had one of these? So I would have to have the Pacers. Ah, okay. I mean, I just talked them up. Maybe I should back it up. Okay, I'll do it.

[B]

You're switching to Pacers?

[A]

I'll go from the Jazz to the Pacer. I like all having an Eastern Conference team. There's something fun with that. So you said you have the Wizards?

[B]

I do. Okay.

[A]

TAS has the Nets. I now have the Pacers in the Nut Dust Bowl. For those new to the show, whoever has the worst team at the end of the season, whoever has the worst record has to do a shot of Nut dust.

[B]

Yeah. Dusty Bowl.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. You just gotta choke it back here.

[B]

On the show, the people are saying the Nets are the worst team.

[A]

I think that's right.

[B]

Probably so.

[A]

I think that's right.

[B]

We'll find out Sunday.

[A]

Way to rank a big game. That is huge. What is that? Tell me that's a day game.

[B]

6:00Pm oh, perfect. That's right. Finish up your pasta and sit down and watch the Nets versus the Wizards.

[A]

Where is it? Washington.

[B]

Pause, pause. This is in Washington.

[A]

Oh, in the phone booth.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

You want to go?

[B]

It's not too far of a drive. Yeah, that's what I want to do.

[A]

A fanduel. Send us to the phone booth. We want to cover Nets. Wizards in all its glory. Come on. All right. Fun game there. Of rank them. And again, let's hear your ranks for those four down in the YouTube comments. Some of you, of course, doing it here in the Stream team right now. And Doug here we have the Limu Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.

[B]

Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[A]

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[A]

Let's get to pick'. Em. Tonight's game, Portland in Houston. Rockets favored by eight and a half. Big line. Rockets are good though, but the Blazers are scrappy. I'm ultimately taking Houston though and I'm legit looking at the NBA cup standings going Houston needs a blowout. They need a massive, massive win here if they have any chance. They gotta get first back to one and one in their group and need to hand the Blazers a loss. And then you gotta start getting into the point differential. So I'm going Houston. What's your reasoning for the Rockets?

[B]

I picked with Tasia yesterday.

[A]

Yeah, that was dumb.

[B]

And lost.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Badly. Not even close. 25 points off basically. And this was a little nerve wracking though. A gigantic line like you're saying point differential matters. So they will play to the buzzer and whichever team is up is going to try and score as many as they can in the fourth quarter. But also the Blazers have beaten the warriors, the Lakers, the Nuggets and the Thunder already this season.

[A]

Now. Now some of those helped by a Sega Baba, no doubt. There was two. There was two that were. A team was heading into Portland, I think. Yeah, I think maybe the warriors and Thunder if I have that right. But anyway, they're good. They are.

[B]

They're good. Yeah.

[A]

And they could cover easily. They could win this. We're being honest, so. No, they're not. Tess has them. So there's no way. This is unbelievable. Right now he's 0 and 9. I was with you. I actually thought last night, you know, I. I think he's going to snap his streak.

[B]

I wanted to be.

[A]

And I'm a raptor.

[B]

I wanted to get that dub when he does.

[A]

Oh, you want to Celebrate with him? Yeah. I don't know, man.

[B]

Not even close. Close. And I'm watching it. You know the Cavs made a run in the second half of.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Nope. No, definitely not. The stink is on unfortunately right now.

[A]

And we're at the point now with tasks not having a win. I don't know if you actually committed to this, but I did. I said, look, if Tas can do the unthinkable here, here, and go the entire month of November without getting a win, I'll also go go T style. Are you in on that as well or. No?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Okay. Okay. I don't want to be in on that. I'm so in on it. All these winners, I. I shared it. I don't know if you watched the video. I shared in Slack. The guy teaching you how to shave a goatee. You take your cup, you take your mug and you just hold it over your mouth. Sorry, you couldn't hear me. I was like Matt Austin doing his.

[B]

All you need.

[A]

But you hold it over your mouth and then just shave around it and that's how you get the perfect Coate. So anyway, he can't do it. Somebody said the odds are like one in a million.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

If we pick like 20 games or something like that. Right. There's still. I mean, we're only two weeks in.

[A]

Yeah, there's still a whole nother two.

[B]

Weeks, but I'll be impressed if you can do it.

[A]

It's amazing. Okay, so Blazers got a lose by eight or less and that'll get Task his first win in November, but otherwise we need the Rockets to spank him there in a cup game to. To get another W. Hey, that's getting overlooked in all this, by the way. We got pretty solid records on the year.

[B]

That's all right.

[A]

I shouldn't have said it. I've jinxed it out. But all eyes on Tas and this cooler streak. We got a pretty good record, you and me overall.

[B]

6 and 3, 7 and 2.

[A]

Yeah, man, I had a pretty good first month too.

[B]

I. I think I beat Tas on like the second to last night.

[A]

Yeah, I think I was 6 and 3. So you know, 13 and 5. Pretty good. All right.

[B]

Alright.

[A]

It's the drop. It's Friday. Let's have some rapid fire fun. Oh yeah, there's the music. I'll ask the questions. I'll answer with you guys. There's only three of us. First one. Kings coach Douglas Dale Christie indicated change is coming, saying the struggling team. Struggling team is facing a bumpy path and that the organization is aligned in what we're doing. What does that mean? We're not really sure. Maybe it's a fire sale coming. But I want to know, guys, what's something else you'd like to see? Change.

[B]

Trey, we need more belt loops on pants. We need to ban reviews in all sports, and we need universal healthcare.

[A]

Oh, I hadn't thought of the first one, but I'm with you on the last two for sure. Yeah.

[B]

Those are all three things that are equal importance. I hate it, though, when you get a. I feel like it's jeans in particular, and they have the. The belt loops, like, on the side on your hip and then one in the back.

[A]

You want more.

[B]

Big gap in between.

[A]

It's a big gap.

[B]

Yeah. And sometimes you'll get, like, the waistband comes out underneath the belt. Looks sloppy. And also, universal health care would be great. But I think belt loops on pants is probably going to happen quicker.

[A]

You're ranking them. You're putting that one.

[B]

Yeah, Exactly. Most likely J.D.

[A]

With something, you know, you'd like to see change.

[C]

Ah, I'm with you on all three as well. I would like a kitchen, guys. My kitchen. I mean, this affects you guys, too. Kind of blew up about a year ago.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, we're. We're an independent LLC now, so, you know, we're. We're waiting for, you know, wait for the money. Waiting for money to start rolling in. But it's been about a year. Skeets, you turned on the faucet yesterday and it almost blew up in your face. It does. Literally every time.

[A]

I always forget, of course.

[C]

Same.

[A]

But, like, it's so hard. The stream from his faucet, like, it feels like you could, like, cut something, like, cut marble with it.

[C]

You could. You could.

[A]

We'll have to take a video of it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's crazy.

[C]

It is insane. And it's that way because I got frustrated with the lack of kitchen and I threw something in the sink and it knocked off the. The little. The nozzle or whatever. So now it's like a fire hose.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For those who don't know, JD's, like, kitchen, it's like, in disarray. It's like parts of the wall. Like, it's. It is a mess.

[C]

We had a massive. You're waiting on money to rebuild. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's been. It's literally been living like that for a year. It's amazing what you can just do, you know what I mean? Like, just put up with.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Anyway, that's What?

[B]

I had a nice breakfast this morning. What's that smelled like you had a nice breakfast.

[C]

I always still use it. I mean, Rachel's cooking up fajitas for dinner later.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

It still operates, but it's operated.

[C]

But it's kind of like camping, you know what I mean?

[A]

It does have that.

[C]

It's just like we got a cutting board that's on a built in dishwasher that's not built into anything, so it wobbles all over the place. And it's not functional either.

[A]

The dishwasher, it feels like a cottage or a cabin. Kitchen.

[D]

80S.

[C]

Yeah. If you walked in, you were like, God damn, I'm getting a refund on this Airbnb. You know what I mean?

[A]

Not today's. Those are houses.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like a fishing hole. Yes, yes. Anyway, I'd like that to change.

[A]

That's a good one. Hey, everybody, go subscribe to our substack, please. Let's get those substack numbers up and maybe get JD a kitchen. Great answers from you guys. I'd like to change streaming services. Yeah, we tried it. This sucks. Back to cable, baby. Yeah, let's do it.

[B]

Btc.

[A]

I mean, honestly, at this point, why not? Why not just all in one place? It's. It's probably less money at this point. I was thinking, why not like, take like, sort of the content creator world that we live in where you can like, oh, you like, no dunks right now. You can actually send us money. You can tip us money. Right. Why don't we just do that with cable television so, like, have a more affordable cable television cost. Now. Hear me out. Hear me out. But then I'm watching a new show and I go, you know what? I really like this show. Here's a dollar. Add up all those dollars and like, probably true. Make great content. I'm gonna keep giving money or people giving money. Yeah, I don't know.

[B]

That's real ratings.

[A]

Yeah, that's the real, real.

[C]

Exactly. Like you're given credits, like your bill. You're just purchasing credits and then you're distributing your credits throughout the month, you know? Yeah, like, yeah, Survivor. There's two credits.

[B]

Fire tokens.

[A]

Pretty low.

[C]

Maybe not this season.

[A]

Maybe low on credits or fire tokens this season. It's getting better. It's getting better. Okay, we have like five episodes left. It's getting better.

[C]

No, I'm with you.

[B]

Would you still be able to watch the shows that you don't chip in for? You know what? I'm saying, like, I'm gonna turn this on.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Yes. I think in my world, after 10.

[B]

Minutes, it pops up. You're like, would you like to tip or would change the channel?

[C]

No. Yeah, but with ads, right?

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So if you contribute, you get less ads. The more you contribute, the less ads you get.

[B]

There's.

[C]

The technology's there. There's something here.

[A]

There's something here.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But the point of all this is. Yeah. Like, there's too many streaming services. I know this is a classic old Man Ran, but I think a lot of people agree with this at this point. It's gotten out of hand. So let's just go back the way it was.

[B]

You know what I really miss about the olden days of TV channel numbers?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Turn on seven. ABC. Turn on 30. ESPN.

[A]

Yeah. That was fun, right?

[B]

Like, you know what your number is?

[A]

Yeah. Yep. I agree.

[B]

We got these apps and the click.

[A]

I have some friends. I mean, maybe you can do it for, like. The thing is, it's all always different, right? Especially you. An American was different for us as somebody in Ontario or in Stratford. But, like, our buddy Paul Tass actually used to be pretty good at it, too. Like, he. He could do, like, he could name you every channel, like, every number.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I used to be able to do it, but I forget.

[B]

I don't think I have it anymore.

[A]

Yeah, I used to.

[B]

It's been a long time.

[C]

The hilarious thing is that it. Because of cable came in there was the over the air channel, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Because City TV was channel 57, but the cable number was 7.

[A]

Right, right, right, right.

[C]

So you'd have to know both.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

[C]

This is crazy times.

[B]

Crazy times. Crazy times, man.

[C]

But yeah, bring them back.

[A]

This is like when a remote had to have numbers on it.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because you were punching numbers. Now you. I never punch a number. I don't even know. I don't think they have numbers. We don't have numbers anymore.

[B]

Oh, man. I got remote thoughts, too.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I've had a fire TV remote for eight years. I still don't know where the buttons are.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

I'm pressing the menu button every time I'm trying to fast forward. I hate it. It's a terrible setup.

[C]

You know how annoyed I was when I. When I got the att. By the way, my AT T discount ran out finally. Oh, my Turner days. Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah. We worked at Turner AT&T came in, immediately, fired us. But they gave us a discount, like, so I signed up for that discount last year, it. For six years.

[A]

So.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

It was like, what, 15% off.

[C]

Good. I was paying $22 including.

[A]

Oh, wait, you had a good one.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I had the staff. The staff discount. And I was like, I ain't touching this. I'm not, you know, playing for sure.

[B]

I'm not what it is.

[C]

Messing with anything. So it's $22 for six years, I paid. And then randomly last month that it was like $170. So whatever I was paying $22 for, it's $180. Like, well, I guess the party's over. I canceled that. I was paying the $180 for this month, so. So that's it. That's it for me for cable.

[A]

So I don't know.

[C]

But when I first got that, that, the guide, the fact that it was in alphabetical order, I found so annoying. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's like, yeah. Why am I starting with Animal Planet?

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

It's not even Shark Week.

[C]

Anyway.

[B]

How's the AT&T remote, though? Was it nice?

[C]

It was through the Apple tv. It was the.

[D]

Okay, yeah.

[C]

The digital, I mean, it's a fine guy. It's fine. It got better over the years, for sure.

[A]

Yeah, it did. They improved.

[C]

Okay, good old man talking.

[A]

We can do another 20 on that. All right, next one. Here Reggie Bullock has unveiled his finished 10 million private island in Belize. The former shooting guard bought what is now known as Bullock Island a couple years ago. The island has a main house, five cabanas, a basketball court, a beach bar. So much more. I don't know if you guys watched the video. I did. It was great.

[B]

Reggie Bullock Island.

[A]

Yep. Reggie said he bought the island as a way of coming up with a different project because God ain't making no more land.

[C]

It's true. That's true.

[A]

No, go to the United Arab Emirates. They're always making more land. But I generally do agree with his statement. If you had your own private island, what's one amenity you'd make sure to offer? Trey?

[B]

No bugs. Oh, how do you do it? No idea. Is it bad for the environment?

[A]

Probably.

[B]

Will the foliage on my island be healthy? I don't know. But there won't be bugs. That's like everything else you can deal with. But if there's bugs on your island, you'd be miserable. But I'm saying, come to my island. We got no bugs.

[A]

You have bugs.

[B]

That's the whole pitch.

[A]

You have somebody from Graydon's backyard care company 247 out there spraying nonstop. That's right. But it's safe spray.

[B]

I guess it's safest spray. I only want the safest spray.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And you'd be the only client, and you would only. You would need to be the only client. Right. Because that's the problem. Problem with it if you got to get your neighbors in on the spray.

[A]

Otherwise, you have control of your island.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. Keep the bees, get rid of the. The mosquitoes and stuff. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Pick your own bugs. That's actually better than no bugs. Only the cool ones.

[A]

The cool bugs bug island.

[B]

Pollinators only.

[A]

All right, J.D. private Island. What's one amenity you'd make sure to offer?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, you know, we always run these paths at our wives and stuff. Of course. Rachel said, you pickleball. Obviously, I have a pickle ball. And I'm like, all right. Yes. It's definitely part of my brain. So I'm gonna put a pickleball court on there. Don't worry, baby. It's gonna be fine. Don't you worry. But I'm also putting in trails for motorbikes.

[A]

Interesting.

[C]

Cool. Like, motorbike trails. Hopefully it's big enough so you can have some interesting and cool, you know, beginner trail and an advanced trail and. Yeah, because I love doing that stuff. I never do it because I'm a dad and I want to be there for my children and stuff. Yep. Love staying alive, but, you know, they're kind of grown up now, so have.

[A]

Some fun on your own island.

[C]

Yeah. So I'd have to have, like, a mechanic out there and, you know, keep the bike shop going, because I don't know anything about that stuff. I just like getting on them and riding them, rip them, and then I take them back and say, bob, this is. The clutch is blown on this. Fix it up. And then I get on another one and keep going.

[B]

Yeah, I got a backup. Of course.

[A]

Yeah. I wonder how much land you would need.

[C]

I don't think that much, because it could zigzag back on itself sort of thing.

[A]

Like, Reggie, did you watch the video?

[C]

No, I have no idea.

[A]

They give you the overhead shot, the drone shot, and it's pretty cool. This island looks like a heart, the way it's, like, shaped.

[C]

That's cool.

[A]

Anyway, I think it's only five acres.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And I will say, when you see it from the drone shot, it doesn't look that big. You're like, well, there's the house, right? There's the basketball Court like you see everything. So I was like thinking like, oh, where'd you put that? So maybe you need more than that. Yeah. But hey, you're rich, man.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

Buy a bigger island. Yeah, those are all great answers. I can't believe nobody said mine. Swim up bar. We gotta have a swim up bar.

[C]

I mean, I kind of thought that was given. To be honest.

[A]

I thought it was a given. Oh, I don't know.

[B]

Yeah. Are you putting it like by the shoreline or in a pool?

[A]

I guess it's in a pool. But man, now that you say that, how would you do that?

[B]

How do you do that? I don't know if you're going to swim up bars. Almost one of our crawl up bars.

[A]

Swim up bar. Looking good.

[B]

We've got like one drop.

[A]

I know, but it comes up from time to time. There's Cam Stewart, Canadian legend. Cam Stewart. Hey, he was at John Legend last night. Impossible. I mean, he loves the casino. Could have been in the falls. No, I want a swim up bar. Yeah, for sure. Final one here. Every Wednesday, Trey's been jumping on playback to rewatch games from the 72 and 10 Chicago Bulls Championship season. It's a lot of fun. The nostalgia hits. I was watching this week, I was out walking the dog and I was like, oh, yeah, Trey's on playback. It was pretty fun watching some of those clips. It's a bunch of, oh, yeah, that guy. Oh, there.

[B]

Hey, that's the guy. I remember those jerseys.

[A]

And like you said, the. The edits are pretty good too.

[B]

Edits are good.

[A]

Yeah. And you can go back, which lose.

[B]

With a ton of pace.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People are saying maybe not the best time. 3:00pm Eastern after we do it.

[A]

10:00Am sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at night you're gonna get more numbers.

[B]

Person who was saying was Laura. She's like, kind of a weird time, don't you think? I was like, okay, so when would I do it? She's like, I don't know, running up to the games.

[A]

Do it at 6:00pm I mean, it's not bad.

[B]

You're cooking.

[A]

Damn, she ain't washed. Oh, that's good. Okay, well, it might be changing its time. We'll see here. But anyway, it's on playback. That link is in the show notes. Join it for free. It's a lot of fun. But I wanted to know because I was thinking when I was watching this, what's something else from the 90s? Okay, it could be a movie, a TV show, maybe an event, whatever. That'd be fun to rewatch. On the platform trail. All right.

[B]

My first two answers were both magician specials. I used to love watching magician. But here's the thing. When you're talking about things from the 90s, you got to go on Wikipedia and click the personal life section to see if these people have been canceled. And guess what? All the magicians are canceled. Every magician, every income has been canceled.

[A]

David Copperfield.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He was the number one.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Now for my next act, I will cancel myself.

[B]

It's completely Cancel.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

He stole the Statue of Liberty and that wasn't what got him.

[A]

Oh, that's not. Oh, wow.

[B]

No, it was. It was. He's got a long section of litigation.

[C]

I believe his says.

[A]

I believe it. Okay. Yeah, yeah. What about my guy? No, it's not 90s. My guy, David Blaine.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Those were those two that I checked. I to wanted to see both their specials. Unfortunately, you cancelled. Now you see me, now you don't. So instead we're watching Guts.

[A]

Oh, good one. Yeah.

[C]

Kids.

[B]

American Gladiators, basically.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I've never heard of this.

[A]

Oh, American. I only.

[B]

Nickelodeon.

[A]

Yeah, Nickelodeon. I only saw it because one of my babysitters had satellite television and they would get these channels, but yeah, go on. Guts. Yeah, yeah, it was.

[B]

I mean, it was basically American Gladiator. There's four kids. And their final thing instead of the Eliminator was the aggro crag going up, like this gigantic thing, and there's obstacles in there, and it's just really cool. I was like a show. I was like, oh, I would love to be on this one.

[A]

Every kid thought that. Every kid, they're like, oh, man, I just want to go on that. Do that. That's a good one. Who are they? The guys that. The baseball guys. They rewatch a lot of things. I feel like they've done a series really, on rewatching Guts. Okay. What are their names? Jumbo.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I think they have. And I watched a couple and it was hilarious.

[B]

John Boy guts.

[A]

Yeah, look that up.

[B]

Yep. This guts contestant is either 10 years old or secretly over 30. I'll be watching that later.

[A]

The ones I watch are really funny.

[B]

The hardest we've ever laughed watching Guts.

[A]

See?

[B]

See, this is good. I need.

[A]

I need a new one.

[B]

I guess I gotta watch Canceled. David Copperfield.

[A]

Cancel. David Copperfield's a great name for.

[B]

That's a new play. New series coming on playback. It's called Canceled Magicians.

[A]

That's funny.

[B]

Got years of programming.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. All right. J.D. something from the 90s. You want to Watch on playback.

[C]

Yeah, something from the 90s. This is also a bit of a homer pick. Electric Circus.

[A]

Great show. Explain it for those that have no idea what it is.

[C]

So City TV was a television station created by Moses Nimer.

[A]

It was.

[C]

It's still there. Or the building is still there. 99 Queen West.

[A]

West.

[C]

Sorry, it's 200 and. 99 Queen west used to be 99 Queen East. Anyway, this is way too much backstory. They would, they would turn the entire like newsroom, like the entire interior of this, the studio into a nightclub every Friday night. And I think it was live. It was live for a 90 minute dance party basically hosted by the incomparable Monica Diol.

[A]

The.

[C]

The hottest Canadian woman.

[A]

Huge crush on her. Oh yeah, everybody did Monica.

[C]

What deal.

[A]

Super tall.

[B]

Tall.

[C]

Yes. Absolutely gorgeous. And you know, you would watch it. It was basically people dancing. That's it. For 90 minutes. Occasionally they would have. They would have like. It was like almost like American Bandstand. Like or you know, where it would be like Dick Clark saying, man, this is the latest track from whomever. And it would just be like, like, yeah, shots of people dancing. And it was a thing to do. Like, like people would line up like at four in the morning on Friday to get in and then they. There. They ended up doing like an audition process was a little bit of a freak show. A little bit. Because, you know, it was just like, oh, look at this guy and that guy's wearing a horse costume.

[A]

Yeah, blah, blah, blah.

[B]

That sounds awesome.

[C]

It's.

[A]

It was, it was awesome.

[C]

And we would watch it like we had to just have it on before going in on.

[A]

Yeah, it was on at like an oddly early time for it to be a dance club going.

[C]

Yeah. And I think the whole point was like, this is going to ramp you up to go out and. And hit the clubs. Right. And it worked and it was incredibly popular. And I don't know, I wonder if it holds up. I'm pretty sure Monica Duel has not been canceled.

[A]

Oh, I hope not. I hope she's okay. It's for like to explain it to Trey maybe a little bit better. What was the name of the bar we would always go to here in Atlanta when we first got here? Was it the Basement? Was it just called the Basement? And they would have like those like funk DJs and stuff. I remember there was like that stage and there'd be some characters like dancing on the stage.

[B]

Oh, at the name of the play wasn't Drunken Unicorn. Mjq.

[A]

MJQ was the Other one we would sometimes go to. But the point is, like just characters. Because they would have recurring dancers.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Cuz you'd be like, oh, that guy's back. Or that girl's back.

[C]

And they would become known as that. You know, they were sort of local celebrities almost. Yeah, but it was a. It was national show. Right. It went on much music. But it was. It's weird because then the next morning it would be a newsroom. It was like a beer bust every Friday night. And then they would let all these freaks in to dance. It was a very cultural thing. I don't know, were they playing the.

[A]

Music videos or were we just watching people dance?

[C]

I think we were just watching people dance. And they would have like showcase DJs, but they would also have like, like NSYNC played Electric Circus.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Britney Spears.

[A]

Right, right.

[C]

You know, and then I think Daft Punk played. But anyways, and then it would be like, oh, it's DJ such and such from Whiskey Saigon is down here today. You know. Crazy.

[B]

The Hoodie Boys. Some of the original featured dancers included the Wiz, Tori G, Warp 1, the Hoodie Boys, Brenda C. Kendrick Pompeii, and Tyra James.

[C]

Hell yeah.

[A]

Cool. I never knew any of them by name, but I bet if you showed me those people.

[B]

They had the hits of the 2000s too, huh? Like, this looks nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Destiny's Child. Like you're saying insane.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool.

[A]

It was good.

[C]

It ran from I guess, 1988 to 2001 or 2003. They cut the run time in 2001 from 90 to 60 minutes. So that was.

[A]

That was the beginning. The dancers are dying out there, man. I can only do this so many times, man. That's a great answer. I'll wrap this up by saying something I'd like to rewatch. On playback with all of you is Ghostwriter. He's a ghost and he writes to us. Ghostwriter.

[B]

Is this a Sheldon Turnip seed or whatever?

[A]

That's right. Trey. What a pull. We're talking Jamal, Lenny D. David. We got Gabby, Tina. Yeah, we got them all. Grandma. Cece Jenkins. Don't forget her. So yeah, this was a. This was a show I think on. Was it on pbs?

[B]

May have been a learning show?

[A]

It was a learning show, but it was good. It was like this multi ethnic group of friends. They were in Brooklyn and they were solving neighborhood crimes and mysteries with the help of Ghostwriter. And who was Ghostwriter? Well, it was someone that communicated with the kids by manipulating text and letters. So that's the only way he could talk to the kids through the written word. Through the written word. So either signs he could like change. I said, yeah, I think it was a he. In the end, I think we learned who Ghostwriter is. But anyway, great show. Loved it. So let's rewatch it. I bet it holds up. There's only three seasons.

[B]

Probably sounds like the inspiration for Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

[C]

Yeah, kinda.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Tom Morvolo Riddle. Spoiler alert.

[A]

Great show. Ghostwriter.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Good answers for the 90s there. Nice trip down memory lane. Our final thing to do as we do now on every Friday, is to thank some of our founding members on substack. We did 10 last week. We're doing the next eight this week. Why eight? Because these are like the first batch of people. They were the first of the founding members to get in on basically the first day we asked. So here they are. In particular order. Let's give it up for Paul. Not our buddy Dub. Another Paul.

[B]

No, gotta marry his mother in law.

[A]

Charlie Pruitt. As a founding member that we salute.

[B]

You can do it. Charlie Pruitt.

[A]

Oh, here's a favorite in the no Dunks universe, Sarah Gray.

[C]

Sarah Gray.

[A]

Legend, an absolute legend. Steve Matthews. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Steve. One of the best named people on the on the list. Tommy Beanbags. That's awesome. Gotta be tough to beat. How about young Pep Dash? Remember his name from the tweet of the week days with Lily?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

T foran Foreign. T foron. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[B]

T. Big time.

[A]

Thank you. And Andre M. Those are the next eight of our founding members. Really helping us one day rebuild JD's kitchen. We salute you, Tommy Beanbags.

[B]

I love that family name.

[A]

Of course. That's right. That's right. So thank you, thank you, thank you to not only our founding members, but everybody that subscribed to our substack. Having a lot of fun with that. You can get in for as simple as $5 a month. You can do $50 for the year if you want to do that subscription. We got a lot of you doing that. So thank you. Really appreciate it. Truly. Thanks for joining us here for today's Drop podcast. That was a lot of fun. Hit the like button. Subscribe five star ratings and reviews. If you are a podcast listener. We haven't done 5 star Friday reviews in a while.

[B]

Great point.

[A]

Do we have any new ones? Do we need some fresh ones? It'd be now the perfect time to leave one.

[B]

It's been such a long time there Must be a million in there.

[A]

Let's hope so. Let's hope so. We're thanking our founders. That's right.

[B]

We have things to do on Friday, but we'll get around to them at some point.

[A]

So get your reviews in if you haven't done that or you've never done that. But thanks to everybody that has. All right, everybody. Enjoy the cup game tonight. You know we respect them. Enjoy all the basketball this weekend. We'll be back on Monday. Tass will be back from Niagara Falls, so we'll get his actual report on the Legend concert and recap the NBA weekend. It was with winners and losers, but until then, Clifford Bros. You heard it here first.

[B]

Have a great time. Turn up. Love you guys. Awesome. Thanks for joining us. And remember, just because you're washed doesn't mean that you can't get dirty again. Which is good. It's good to be dirty instead of washed.

[A]

Embrace the weekend, people. Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first.

[B]

There the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

[A]

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