The Drop | NBA Buy/Hold/Sell, Jalen Green's Suns Debut, Worst of the Week

Summary

No Dunks – The Drop | NBA Buy/Hold/Sell, Jalen Green’s Suns Debut, Worst of the Week (Nov 7, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this Friday “Drop” episode, the No Dunks crew—Skeets, Tas, Trey, and JD—dive deep into significant early-season NBA storylines. The show features a round of "Buy, Hold, Sell" on major league trends and surprises, an in-depth review of Jalen Green's electrifying Phoenix Suns debut, and the always-anticipated “Worst of the Week.” The vibe is loose but insightful, with candid discussion, basketball nerd energy, and plenty of signature No Dunks humor.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Jalen Green’s Spectacular Suns Debut (04:40–15:39)

Summary:
The Suns, previously considered a non-factor, are suddenly one of the NBA’s most entertaining squads—thanks in part to Jalen Green, who shined in his debut game, leading Phoenix to a 115-102 win over the injury-depleted Clippers.

• Jalen Green’s stat line: 29 points in 23 minutes, 10-20 FG, 6-13 from three
• Instant chemistry: Green’s athleticism and assertiveness stood out immediately (“His athleticism jumped off the screen, attacking the Clippers… really tough, athletic finishes” – Skeets, 07:13)
• New Suns vibes: The team’s energy is transformed compared to last year, playing with joy and togetherness under coach Jordan Ott. Booker is off to an all-time start.
• Playmaking shift: Noted a key possession where Booker gave up the ball, letting others like Jalen Green and Royce O’Neale create—symbolic of the Suns’ new collaborative offense (05:10).
• Grayson Allen: “Flu game” performance: 18 points, 4 threes, played sick
• Bradley Beal’s ugly Phoenix return: Booed by fans, 2-14 shooting, 5 points; crowd turned sympathetic as his struggles mounted. “Jalen Green has done more in two minutes than Beal did for the Suns in two seasons. Ouch.” (09:36)

Notable Quotes:

• “Jalen Green, I thought looked pretty damn good in his first game in his Suns uniform.” – Skeets (05:10)
• “He looked like he hadn’t lifted a weight in his NBA career, but he felt stronger last night… actually being able to finish inside.” – Trey (07:37)
• “Wins and losses don’t matter with this team.” – Tas (09:08)

2. NBA Buy/Hold/Sell – Early Season Trend Analysis (16:13–46:36)

Segment Premise:
Each host chooses to “Buy,” “Hold,” or “Sell” stock in surprising team and player trends from the first two weeks.

a. Houston Rockets: #1 Offense in NBA (17:19–21:37)

• Consensus: Buy/Hold as a Top 5, not #1, offense; three-point percentage is unsustainably high
  • “They can’t keep shooting the three this well.” – Tas (17:19)
  • “But their stars are performing… they have an identity and I don’t see why it’s going to fall off a cliff.” – Skeets (20:58)

b. Jamal Mosley: Magic Head Coach Security (22:03–27:13)

• Trey: Sell (predicts firing if struggles continue—“They’re plateauing at a playoff team that hasn’t yet won a series…”)
• Tas & Skeets: Hold—think he’ll get a bit more time (30-40 games), but agree trends are worrisome

c. Cooper Flagg: Rookie of the Year (29:47–33:38)

• Tas: Buy (value is low after slow start—“You’ll never get better value on a buy than you do right now”)
• Trey & Skeets: Hold—Flagg’s not runaway leader, but will likely improve (“He’s the youngest of all these guys…”)

d. Bulls: Surprise East Leaders (35:04–41:53)

• Trey: Buy (“Feels like 21-22 all over again…”)
• General consensus: Hold—defense and depth are real strengths, but ceiling is limited

e. Alex Sarr: Wizards’ Sophomore Leap (42:24–45:42)

• Tas & Skeets: Buy/Hold (leap is ‘real,’ especially as a two-way 7-footer with improved shot selection)
• Trey: “He’d probably go #1 in a redraft”— noting Sarr’s blend of rim protection and growing offensive skill

f. Thunder: 74+ Wins? (46:16–48:55)

• Unanimous Sell on OKC breaking the all-time wins record; possible for 65+, but 74 is fantasy land (“If we’re lining up teams that could win 70 games, we’re putting OKC one, but I don’t think it’s realistic.” – Skeets)

g. Ja Morant’s Future with Memphis (49:28–53:48)

• Tas: Buy (Morant will remain a Grizzly—teams aren’t offering enough in trade)
• Skeets: Sell (Predicts a trade—a “black cloud” situation comparable to Jimmy Butler in Minnesota)
• Trey: Hold, but expects a tipping point (“It feels like either him or [coach] Isolo is going to be gone by the end of the season.”)

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3. Worst of the Week (55:50–67:47)

Nominees & Highlights:

• Klay Thompson/Dallas Mavericks: Klay’s airball (literally shot behind his head), Mavericks’ league-worst offense
  • “It’s not often you see a guy so good at shooting the ball lose the ball the way he did…” – Tas (56:11)
• Indiana Pacers a.k.a. ‘Hospital Pacers/Indiana Patients’: Early season decimated by injuries—Haliburton, Turner, Matherin, etc. “That is a lot.” (58:14)
• Jalen Brown’s ‘hair paint’ mishap: Brown’s sprayed hairline leaves black marks on another player’s white undershirt—again.
  • “He’s owning up. He even tweeted the video joking ‘AI is getting out of hand.’” – Tas (63:51)
• NBA YouTube “Combo Stats” Thumbnails: Frustration with misleading combo stat graphics (e.g., combining two triple-doubles for a fake 52-27-24 stat line)
  • “You can’t put this on a graphic. It looks like Josh Giddy just had the greatest game of all time.” – Skeets (64:45)

Running poll established for “Worst of the Week” winner.

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4. Rapid Fire & Fun (71:54–89:19)

Personal/Lighthearted Topics:

• Embarrassing hobbies (Skeets addicted to high-end card-breaking YouTube videos; Tas’s recycling odysseys; Trey showering solo after pickup basketball)
• Silly “world championship” talents (bagging groceries, touching “toe beans,” garage door-checking, etc.)
• Cherished objects to bring back/upgrades (ALF dolls, classic Sidekick phones, golf clubs)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “He looks like he hasn’t lifted a weight in his NBA career, but he felt stronger last night.” – Trey on Jalen Green (07:37)
• “Wins and losses don’t matter with this team.” – Tas (09:08)
• “Jalen Green has done more in two minutes than Beal did for the Suns in two seasons… Ouch.” – Skeets quoting a viral tweet (09:36)
• “They’re just giving up twos so that they can take away threes and letting Vuc get scored on. But three’s worth more than two!” – Trey on Bulls defense (37:23)
• “Worst of the week to the NBA YouTube page for combo stats... looks like Josh Giddy just had the greatest game of all time.” – Skeets (64:45)
• “We all have our interests. He’s got toe beans. We all like different stuff.” – Skeets (82:52)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Birthday banter, movie talk, stream shenanigans: 01:39–04:40
• Jalen Green/Suns-Clippers Recap: 04:40–15:39
• NBA Buy/Hold/Sell (all segments): 16:13–46:36
• Worst of the Week: 55:50–67:47
• Rapid Fire / Personal Topics: 71:54–89:19

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Episode Tone

• Fun-loving, locker-room style, basketball-nerd heavy
• Good-natured teasing mixed with sharp analysis
• Community-focused—stream team engagement, substack shoutouts

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Final Thoughts

The No Dunks crew delivers the perfect Friday basketball digest: smart breakdowns of player/team trends, an energetic breakdown of Jalen Green’s Phoenix debut, and breezy comic relief with “Worst of the Week” and rapid fire segments. For NBA fans, it’s a well-paced, insight-laden mix—whether you missed the games or just want to know what’s real early in the season.

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Transcript

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[A]

Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the no Dunks podcast presented by FanDuel. It's Friday, November 7, 2025. This is the Drop. I'm Jay E. Skeets here in the classic factory and alongside me as always, Tas Melis basketball friends.

[B]

Here we go.

[A]

Next to him, it's my top shot, hot boy, Trey Kirby.

[C]

Hey, hey, hey.

[A]

And over yonder, making the magic happen, it's Our birthday boy, J.D.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hey, boy. Any big plans for a Friday night?

[E]

J.D.

[F]

Going to see two movies.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Wow.

[F]

The new predator thing.

[C]

Badlands.

[F]

Badlands, yeah. And Begonia. I'm seeing it again because my son hasn't seen it, so. Yeah. So, all right. Two movies.

[A]

You're seeing a lot of movies.

[F]

Well, we're doing a podcast about movies, Keith.

[A]

That's right.

[F]

You know, it's my. It's kind of my job now.

[A]

Begonia. Good.

[F]

I loved. I loved it. Was it good? I mean, that's for the person to decide.

[A]

Is that how your podcast goes on thumb war?

[B]

This is for the person.

[A]

Hey, what'd you think of the movie? Not for me to decide. All right, we'll see you next week on Some More.

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I'm saying I loved it. I loved it.

[A]

Gotcha.

[F]

So I think it's good.

[D]

Nice.

[F]

But there's some. There's some, you know, different opinions.

[A]

Okay.

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You know what I'm saying?

[A]

So you'll see both of these movies today, slash tonight. Okay. Excellent. Well, are you eating popcorn at all these movies you're seeing? Final question.

[F]

Not all of them. Today I will. Because it's my birthday. Why not?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Treat yourself King. Because I would find it difficult. I do find it difficult to watch a movie in a theater and not have anything to eat or drink. It's weird. I feel naked.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Well, you get used to it.

[A]

But if I see 100 movies a week like you.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

It's too much, too expensive.

[F]

I may even throw some M and Ms. In there. You never know.

[A]

Well, here's what people should do. Because it's your birthday, you should hit the like button. You should subscribe. You should subscribe. And you should leave us a five star rating and review. Actually, not for us, for J.D. for the birthday boy. Okay. We got lots to get to here.

[C]

We're gonna play rabie here in the stream team. Sent in 10,000 W's as a Super chat.

[A]

What does that mean?

[C]

Happy B day, jd. We appreciate you. It's an international currency. I'm not sure what a W a line through it means.

[B]

I've seen that before.

[C]

Not totally sure, but thank you.

[A]

So we don't know right this very second we could be rich. For all we know, we got 10,000 W. Or it could be a 150American. Hey, we appreciate it.

[B]

Oh, it's Juan.

[A]

It's W. Okay. Well, thank you, J.D. i guess that's M and M's on, on, on. Rabbi, I might get.

[F]

I'm going to get some peanut M&M's.

[B]

Oh, wow. Korean large. Well, one South Korean one equals 0.00069 United States dollars. So triple zero six translates to $6.

[C]

And 85 cents US. Imagine winning $6.85.

[A]

Yeah. Taco Bell today.

[B]

Half a bag of popcorn. Okay, thank you.

[A]

We are going to get into some NBA buy, hold and sell. That's the main topic on the drop today. You have worst of the week. None Rapid fire fun. JD Is actually asking the questions this week. We got more. But first, one game last night. Let's touch on it briefly. Jalen Green shining in his Phoenix Suns debut. Phoenix top the underman clippers. 115, 102. No Kawhi no James Harden. But Jalen Green, I thought looked pretty damn good in his first game in a while here in his first game in his son's uniform.

[B]

Spectacular. I will say, just in general, for people who haven't watched the Phoenix Suns, this is a team that has changed the vibes around this team entirely. Before the season, no one really excited about this Phoenix Suns. I heard people saying, hey, hey, don't sleep on the Phoenix Suns. A friend of ours, not going to name him right now, but a friend of ours said, don't sleep on the Suns potential to make the playoffs. I said, come on, I'm the biggest Jordan Knott fan there is. The head coach coming in under the wing of Kenny Atkinson. They're going to share the ball more, and that's exactly what they're doing. They look like so much more of an offensive basketball team playing together. I thought the possession that stood out to me end of the third quarter, the Clippers are making their way back from getting spanked. It's 11 points going into the last possession of the third quarter. And Devin Booker, the point guard, you might think, okay, I'm just going to dribble this thing and take my own shot. He gets off the ball. He gets way out of there. He tells Jalen Green, who's playing in his first game, give the ball to Royce White. Those guys, Royce o', Neil, Bryce o', Neal, Bryce White, throwback. Yeah.

[A]

That's a name I haven't thought of in a while. Yeah, get on the bus.

[B]

He's in my algorithm for some reason anyways, so those he shows up sometimes, he's got takes Royce o' Neill's awesome. So those two guys kind of play catch together. And Devin Booker ends up getting the ball on the as a secondary playmaker. Gets the ball, doesn't go shoot. It creates for Grayson Allen in the corner. Whether Grayson Allen hits it or not doesn't matter. He did. But the point is that they're playing together, so they're just awesome. Devin Booker, best start of his career. A guy came into the offseason saying, you know what? We have to work on everything. And he's just kind of wasn't wrong. No, he wasn't wrong. This dude, he's only now one of four players over the first eight games of a season to score 30 points, have five assists, shooting 50 and 40. It's just Steph, Larry Bird and Michael Jordan that have done that in terms of those percentages. So he started off well. And Jalen Green, I don't know how the hell he started off this well in this one game, 23 minutes played, 29 points. That was just absurd.

[A]

Yeah, 10 to 20 from the field, 6 of 13 from deep for Jalen Green and his athleticism, it did jump off the screen. You're like oh yeah, like right away attacking the Clippers, Zubots a couple times. Just like really tough athletic finishes to get him going. And then the three ball started to drop. And the vibes, yeah, the vibes looked great there in Phoenix for at least this one night against the Clippers, actually all season long. And now he's in there. TK your thoughts on him?

[C]

Well, I mean, the sun stunk it up to start the season. Let's be honest. They started 1 and 4. They were getting blown out in every single game. Even though Booker was going going off 30 plus in six of their nine games so far. But you could tell last night 24 points and seven assists. What a relief to not have to do everything. Jalen Green can catch fire from 3, there's no doubt about it. 6 of 13, like you're saying, he was hitting wide open shots. A lot of these were not a great defensive performance I thought from the Clippers. The thing that was better though, to me about Jalen Green's game last night, he was getting downhill with his drives, either finishing at the rim or making smart passes out. He went 4 for 7 on two pointers. That doesn't sound all that impressive, but the guys never shot 50% on twos in his career despite being a monster athlete. Yeah, he looks like he's hasn't lifted a weight in his NBA career, but he felt stronger last night going at Zubots and actually being able to finish inside. So if he's able to mix in some smart drives, stay under control, he can definitely help this Suns team. Do I think they're a playoff team? Maybe a play in team if I'm being quite honest. But great performance from him. Booker looked good and looked like he had a normal workload on him, which I thought was important. Then flu game. Grayson Allen was incredible in this game. 18 points, four threes, four assists, three steals and a block. He was questionable going into this game because he was feeling sick earlier in the day. So stay sick is what I would say to him.

[B]

Yeah, just so much more fun as a fan watching this team play. I don't care if they finished 36 and 46 like they did last year. It's more fun to watch.

[A]

Hey, wins and losses don't matter with this team.

[B]

They should. There you go, yeah, ISHP is right. And I thought, look, coming into the season, if they're going to all buy into this team, last year you would have seen more of those sort of possessions that I hinted at, like, just come on down and fire that thing. 36, 46 would be fine. I mean, if they, if they're, if they're in a play in tournament opportunity, that's a big win for this team.

[A]

We had Bradley Beal returning to Phoenix too, right? Miserable night for Bradley Beal. He looked absolutely washed.

[C]

Fun night for Suns fans.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Beal was 2 of 14 from the field. He finished with five points. He was booed during introductions, then he was booed every time he touched the ball, at least early in the game. But he played so poorly that I thought the Suns fans almost like scaled back on the boos. They started to feel bad as the game went on and they took the lead and they're like, oh, my God. They sort of quit booing them as the game went on. He was brutal. I saw a tweet going around last night. Jalen Green has done more in two minutes than Beal did for the Suns in two seasons. Ouch. Maybe some truth to that, though, because Bill was bad and it didn't go well in Phoenix. But yeah, the Suns fans were happy last night.

[C]

Yeah, they were giving him the business. Will they do the same for Kevin Durant? I don't know. Keep that same energy. Because allegedly it was tension between Durant and Beal that kind of derailed the sun season last year. But yeah, they were. They were booing him and he was quite deserving of it. And it unfortunately has been the case for Bradley Beal. He's averaging seven points per game this season, shooting under 40% from the field, 33 on threes. But for the Clippers right now, no James Harden. They have no offense.

[A]

None.

[C]

30 points per possession per 100 possession swing when he's off the court. They have so many guys on their team that need a setup man. Chris Dunn needs a setup man. Zubot finally had a good game. He hasn't looked great to start the season, but he was hooping last night. Derrick Jones Jr. Needs a setup man. Bogdanovich can't really do it at this point. While he's recovering from a hamstring tear, just everybody, everybody, John Collins needs somebody to get them the ball. And Harden is the only natural playmaker on this team. Beal can't do it. Bogdanovich can't do it. Harden is a great playmaker. Kawhi can go get his own shot, but he didn't play last night. So if Harden's not out there, they just look old and rickety.

[B]

Yeah, but I thought there was a setup man sitting on the bench waiting. Chris Paul could have played way more, could have started. He's old as alas, he can hit shots. But 9 minutes and 30 seconds in this game, I thought when he got out there, at the very least he knows what he's doing. So I thought they just could have used that old man who played last year as a starter with the San Antonio Spurs. And I know it's last year and maybe he's just too old, but they're not even giving him the leash. And I see all the comparisons of whoa, maybe this team is the Brooklyn Nets with Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. Okay, I wouldn't quite go. It wouldn't go that far. I mean this is James Harden. When he does play, he's still James Harden in a way that he can carry this team. But yeah, they look super old and Beal's not surprised as the old guy. That's why I thought CP would play. When we called this game yesterday, I thought CP would play a lot more that could happen.

[A]

I have never regretted a pick em pick more quickly in a game than I did this one last night. And here's the reason why. With no Harden, no Kawhi, the offense was Zubots, the offense was Zubbots. That was it. And that's not like a great recipe for a 48 minute game. He was given the Suns of business in the first half, like they had their hands full with them. They didn't really have an answer for him. He had 16 points, a lot of offensive rebounds, but like he was the Clippers offense. Nothing else was happening. It had to go through Zoo or had to go into Zoo. Otherwise it was like not a great shot. Especially when Beal was struggling like the way he was and I was with you. I took the Clips. Didn't know Jalen Green was going to play too, but not that it would have maybe mattered. He was awesome. I don't think anyone expected him to play that well in his first game. But yeah, not a good sign when it's all zoo time. That's going to be a long game.

[B]

Yeah, especially it was. I was tied at half.

[A]

Yeah, it was close. It was.

[B]

But when you see the third quarter turn into a 20 point lead, you know the old guys aren't coming back. They kind of fought a little bit, but no One. No one expected Jaylen Green to play this well in his first game. Assistant coach Jesse Mermis was interviewed at half.

[A]

Who the hell is that?

[C]

Jesse Mermis.

[B]

It's a great name.

[A]

It is.

[C]

Friend of Jordan ot.

[B]

Yes, yes. A friend of Jordan ot. Wearing great sunglasses. Wearing the bright orange sunglasses because you got to notice these here we're showing to you on YouTube. Okay.

[A]

I didn't know his name.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Those are brighter than our classic Factory.

[C]

Suns glasses, I think you would call those.

[B]

Yes. He is the. This. This assistant coach who's bringing so much positivity to this roster. He's wearing the glasses. He's. He's a good coach in that he's patient and he's positive. And he didn't even expect Jalen Green to say. Well, the first question was about Jalen Green. He said, wow, when you're shooting like that and you're scoring, he's pretty good, smiling all the time. So he's. He's. He's a good coach. But I don't know how they have it. I mean, they were up 20. Ryan Dunn was playing defense three quarters court, he was pressing full press. They're balling. It's surprising to see all that.

[A]

They're playing with some joy. It does help on a basketball court. And they don't even have their full team yet because Dylan Brooks obviously is still out of the lineup. So he'll come back, too. He'll get him something else.

[B]

I'm just laughing at Dylan Brooks sitting on the bench with his sunglasses. You know, wear some Jesse Murmis glasses. Those look cooler than.

[A]

You can pull those off. Get your Mirmer. I mean, they should do a giveaway in the Phoenix arena for orange sunglasses. First 10,000 people should get orange sunglasses.

[C]

Get your Mirmuses down at the Mortgage Matchup arena.

[B]

Look at all them M's, Jason.

[C]

Is that what you said?

[B]

Jesse Mirmos.

[C]

Jesse Mirmos.

[A]

Okay, good. Hey, man, nobody is more plugged in on.

[C]

You brought up Tiana. The guy's got the Blazers looking incredible. So Jesse Mirmis. I'm a fan.

[A]

Jesse Mirmis will be in the hall of fame in 20.

[F]

20.

[A]

20 years. Tess is calling it.

[B]

He knows how to play or develop, I'll tell you that. He's with the Raptors. He was with lots of guys. Lots of guys. He's Coach LeBron. I'll say he's Coach LeBron did a.

[A]

Deep dive on this.

[B]

I know, but I know Jess. I know Jess.

[A]

Well, do you know him personally?

[B]

No. And he wasn't the Guy that said that. You, you shouldn't underestimate us. That wasn't him. Why? I hinted at the beginning. My friend Jesse is not my friend. Who said the Suns are going to make this team? No, I, that coach didn't say that. But he's got the positivity, that's for sure.

[A]

Okay, all right, that's enough Suns Clippers talk. Let's get into.

[C]

We do have a couple more super chats. Sending in for J.D. happy birthday from Jace Roy and Power Duster 3000.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Send in that U.S. currency.

[A]

Well, I'll tell you what, Tass. It's your birthday on Monday, it's my birthday on Tuesday. Trying your due up for Wednesday. Right back to you on Thursday.

[C]

Jamie, what are you, what are you guys thinking having summer birthdays? We're never doing shows during Artburg.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

It's brutal. You and me, right? Like basically in the same week. Yeah, it sucks. You guys get all the attention. You get All Star Weekend.

[C]

I know, that's great.

[B]

It's really great.

[A]

This guy gets the start of the season. We're just like, we gotta pray there's an Olympics going on or something like that. Maybe we flirt with our birthdays. Okay, so the NBA season is two weeks old and change, which means we have just enough data to start looking at some trends here. So we thought it'd be fun to play a little NBA. Buy, hold, sell. Look, I think most people know how this works. A buy is a stock that an analyst thinks he should buy now. Right? It's going up. In theory, a hold is one an analyst thinks is good enough to keep in your portfolio but not worthy of additional investment. A sell, that's something an analyst thinks you should sell. Get off of it, get out while it's maybe high. And you think it's going to go down. So that's the premise here. Buy, hold, sell. First one. The Houston Rockets have the best offense in the NBA so far. It's not even close. Through seven games, the Rockets have scored the most points, have the league's best offensive rating at 122.4, and lead the league in three point percentage. So, Tass, I'll start with you. Buy, hold, sell. Rockets as the number one offense this year.

[B]

I'm holding now they're going to come down a little bit. I, I, I, I, I say hold because I want to start with some positivity because they're playing incredibly well. Look, they can't keep shooting the three this well.

[A]

What are they at, like 43%?

[B]

Nearly 43. Yeah. So that's going to come down a little bit Tar east and my man leading the league in three point shooting at nearly 56%. Crazy. You know, it's going to come down. There's some numbers that are going to come down, but I kind of compare this team to the 23, 24 Nuggets after they won the title. They go and win 57 games and they were last in terms of three pointers attempted per game. The Rockets are second last and three pointers attempted per game. So I think that that'll hold near the bottom there. And so the percentages aren't going to be all that bad. You can say they're going to get even better for some of them. Like amen Thompson. He's shooting 17% from 3.

[A]

I don't think it's a hold, but.

[B]

But overall, Udoka's got a bunch of these guys playing harder. We mentioned Jabari Smith's defense. It looks kind of like Sengun from last year. It looks like a new player. There's these, you know, the Josh Kogi plugins. So Joshua Koji has been good. Yeah.

[A]

Like he's out there for defensive purposes. Yeah. But he's chipping in like nine points per game. Nine or ten a game. And he's hitting like he's one of these guys hitting over 50% from three right now. Not on high volume, but that'll come down.

[B]

That'll come down. So. So I do. Yeah, the 43% will come down. Whatever. It's a number.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But Udoka's got all these guys going.

[A]

Okay, so you're holding. You're saying, like, it's unlikely you think the Rockets will have the number one offense at the end of the season. But it's like in play here.

[F]

It's.

[B]

It's in play. The way. The way that they're functioning on offense, the way. Amen. Thompson doesn't have to do as much on defense, so I had questions about his ability to transfer defense to offense, but he's doing fairly well now. It'll all come down. So they may not be number one like those Nuggets that I was talking about. They're top five. So, yeah, at the end of the day, I don't care if they're first, but they just. They look wholesome. They look right on the. On the offensive.

[C]

Quite wholesome.

[A]

Okay, analyst TK what are you doing?

[C]

I'm buying this as well. I'm buying them more as a top five offense. Maybe not exactly number one. And task nailed it for all the right reasons. The percentages will come down, but the rockets are only 19th in makes and 29th in attempts. That feels like that can maintain for the rest of the season. And even if it doesn't, they're going to be first in offensive rebound rate. If you got Steven Adams on your team, you're going to lead the league in offensive rebounding. They're fourth in free throw rate. I totally buy both of those. Just because they're a bunch of big guys, they're going to draw fouls, get to the line and knock them down. They can even make a move if they want to. Once we get to like December 15th, some guys become a little bit more tradable. Maybe they decide, yeah, we do want another guard. They could move Fred Van Bleak's contract if they want to. Seems like a cold hearted move, but when it's all about the numbers, they could do it if they wanted to. So the Rockets offense has been surprising to me, but it feels pretty real.

[A]

Yeah, I'm with you guys. I'm right there. Either hold or buy. You know, again, is it top one or top five in terms of offensive rating at the end of the season? Yeah, it's more likely top five. But their stars are performing. KD Sengun and then Ahmed Thompson who's leveled up. But all these other guys like Jabari Smith, his confidence I think you can see growing from game to game. That's awesome you brought up Steven Adams. I mean, the guy is. I mean, he's one of the best offensive rebounders of all time at this point with these numbers. Joshua Koji, as we talked about. Udoka, man, guy's a damn good coach and they have an identity and yeah, I don't see why it's going to fall off a cliff even if those three point numbers come back to earth a little bit.

[B]

Yeah. And they've just bought in in terms of who is starting each possession because it doesn't have to be men. Thompson. Nobody has a true point guard anymore. A lot of the time it's everybody contributing and they're all doing enough to. To help start up these possessions. So all good. Somebody should be AI ing Stephen Adams saying, I am the best offensive rebounder in the history of this game. Why he should say that? Russell Westbrook just said he's the best rebounding guard. Why isn't somebody creating that? AI is everywhere. Somebody should be doing that. Okay, because I. Will he ever say that? No, no, I guess I don't think.

[A]

He would ever say that. Pretty good. All right.

[C]

I don't know if you guys noticed, there's a Jesse Mermaid's over here.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

JD's feeling himself on his birthday.

[B]

He brought that. He pulled that in. He pulled that in. That was a game call there. So to bring him in real, real early, I was just. I had so much murmurs in front of my face. I think it helps that the monitor that I watch on is, like, right in front of my face. So that murmurs. Those murmurous glasses are right up in my grill. Moving on.

[A]

It's mer miss, dad. Mer miss. All right. The Orlando Magics 3 and 5 start to the season after they proclaim, you know, championship intentions or to make a deep run. Has everyone feeling a little uneasy here. To start, they haven't looked that great. Haven't looked themselves. So buy, hold, sell. Jamal Mosley as the Magic's head coach. Tk, we'll start with you.

[C]

I'm selling.

[B]

Whoa.

[C]

I'm selling. I think it's. They're going to have to do something. Year 5 in Orlando for Jamal Mosley. He gave him an identity. He installed the defense. He took them from lottery to playoff team. That's kind of what they seem to be plateauing at right here. Haven't yet won a playoff series. And they're all in on this team with very little chances to upgrade since they made the Desmond Bain move. They brought in kcp, didn't change the offense at all. They brought in Desmond Bain. Didn't change the offense at all. I don't know if you guys saw Anyeka Kongwu's interview after the Hawks Magic game. You know, Bane yanked him down, spiked it on his face, and Kong was like, I didn't even realize. He spiked the ball on my face. But he looks pretty frustrated over there, and I don't blame him. You got Paolo on Franz, taking all the shots. He was going in. It was awesome. Yeah, exactly. I was like, I didn't realize there was this big of a beef between the Hawks and the Magic, but he's kind of right. Bane doesn't look comfortable. He's basically throwing out his rookie year. Basically lows and everything. Usage, shots, true shooting percentage. They're just having him stand around. They're not really empowering him at all. And this was their big move that was supposed to take him over the top. I think the good thing is that they're playing defense again. They're now up to 23rd. Or no, I think they're a little bit higher than that, actually. Sorry. They're up to 14th they had good games against the Hornets and Wizards. Those are their two wins that have kind of steadied the ship for them. They lost to the Hawks as well, a team that they're in the same tier as. But if you're only able to beat the worst teams in the league, guess what, you might be a bad team. So I think eventually, since they can't change the players, they're going to change the coach.

[B]

I agree. They're going to make that change if things don't go well until what. What the, the schedule mark is for me, I don't know, but I think it would be like 30 to 40 games. I think they're going to give him some time. Yeah, but they are going to give him a little bit of hold considering he's been there for so long. They're going to give him some time, I should say the worrisome part is they're letting their offense dictate their defense. It seems like to me when watching them, they knew who they were last season, the season before that. They were a great defensive team. And the scary part is, as you said, Trey, they've kind of become a middle of the road team defensively. But that's just after two, you know, questionable teams that they beat. I don't see that fight, the Paloncho thing that, you know, we've mentioned a bunch of times, he, he ain't playing well, that's for sure. Does he have to play in a different way? I think so. And I think that comes from a little bit more creativity. I think that's just like pick and roll, get your switch and move in to operate as an ISO with him. And I think that comes from Jamal. Mostly their offense is a little predictable. Dribble, dribble, handoff, one pass, here we go. And yet Bane is suffering because of that. So they don't know who they are. And then once those possessions go bad, the def defense goes bad. So Mosley will bite it at some.

[A]

Point, I guess I'm agreeing with you guys. Maybe not as extreme as Trey with the sell, but yeah, a hold because he's going to get a little bit more time. This isn't happening, I don't think. You know, next week, yeah, maybe it's 30 or 40 games, whatever it is. Interesting point from the Orlando Magic Daily. They noted yesterday Mosley, and this goes back to what you were sort of saying. TK Mosley has not yet have to face like any sort of combative questions from the Orlando media because his four years with the Magic have largely been about their team's rise. Right. So they go from a tanking team to an up and coming team to a playoff team that was putting up pretty good fights in the playoffs, few bumps in the road. So this is all new because now there's expectations that they put on themselves that the rest of us put on them, and they're floundering right now. I guess the recent practice saw the magic working on defensive rotations and playing defense without fouling, which has done them in, and better offensive spacing. So I'm a hold on Mosley. There's still time to figure this out, you guys. You know, when I was saying the sky is falling with the Raptors early and get Darko out of here, you guys made up a good point. Or brought up a good point. Like, it's the east, relax. You know, you can put together one or two good weeks and you'll be right back near the top. So they have that going for them, too, but it's been bad. They're not a fun watch either.

[C]

They're not a fun watch. Paolo's regressed.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Franz Wagner has regressed because Paolo has regressed, but it still takes up such a huge portion of the possessions. Like, they're not using Franz Wagner enough. And he's a much more efficient player, but you can't play Paolo off the ball because he's not really that good of a shooter.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So they've got a lot of structural problems there. And I don't think Mosley's the guy who can fix it because he's never put together a good offense.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I was surprised when you said that. This is his fifth season and maybe it's in part.

[C]

He's been there a long time.

[A]

That is a long time.

[C]

And today's 10 year coaches right now.

[B]

Yeah. And when you mentioned Skeets that he hasn't had expectations, I think that's part of why I thought he's been there a full two seasons, but it just feels. It feels like a shorter period. It's kind of like J.B. bickerstaff with the Cleveland Cavaliers, who was there for four years and the expectations went sky up and they said, no, this, this, we can't do it. Let's get somebody else in there. Here comes Kenny Atkinson now. That was an end of season move. So it's different than this, but that seems comparable. And Doug, here we have the Limu.

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[A]

Right, next one here. Cooper flags stats. They perked up a little bit here in November. His scoring, his rebounding have gone up but he's still not where a lot of fans and critics expected. Remember this guy was the odds on favorite according to fanduel to win the Rookie of the Year. He still is at last check. He's the favorite. Vijay Edgecombe right on his ass though. Cooper's at minus 125 to win rookie of the Year. But buy, hold or sell Tass Cooper Flag Winning Rookie of the Year where are you at now?

[B]

After a couple weeks this is a fun one. I'M buying because I think I'm all about value and I don't think you'll ever get better value on a buy than you do right now. I think just the fact that Cooper Flag has gotten off to this poor start. That being said, it's VJ Edge comes Rookie of the Year right now, I would say. And then it's Cooper sort of in a that second tier with a bunch of guys and so he's not far off. But here, the, here are the possibilities or the probabilities why I think Cooper could jump up first. Vijay Escomb has Paul George coming back at some point, so he shoots less. I imagine that'll happen. Cooper Flag is still going to get plenty of opportunity with Dallas, a lot of it. They need guards, they need ball handlers and that ain't getting filled the way Paul George is filling VJ Edgecombs. And Dallas's offense has to get better.

[A]

Literally. Can't get worse.

[B]

They really can't get worse. We'll get to them a little bit later in worst of the week with Klay Thompson thrown in there. But I think that's all positivity for Cooper Flag, who's really been thrown into it as an 18 year old.

[A]

Okay, so like you said, you're sort of buying low here.

[B]

I'm buying.

[A]

People are sort of getting off some Cooper Flag stock here as they're seeing some of these other guys and then Tass is buying it up. What about you, T.K.

[C]

I'M holding. Like Taz is saying he is not the Rookie of the Year right now. I don't even think he's in the second tier, if I'm being quite honest. Edgecombe would be the guy. He's kind of settled into being a good rookie after having a Wilt Chamberlain start. His numbers have kind of come back down to, you know, like 15 points per game, which is like a normal good rookie out there. I think Con Knippel is still ahead of Cooper Flag right now. He's been really, really steady as advertised, knocking down the threes and just looks like he has a lot of savvy out there. Hornets aren't winning games just like the Mavericks aren't winning games. And I think Cedric Coward is also ahead of Cooper flag. He's 50, 40 and 90. They need to start this guy immediately. He's got the best advanced stats of any of the rookies right now. But eventually Kyrie Irving is going to come back for the Mavericks. They're saying maybe in 2025 at the latest. 2026. He's coming back from an ACL in March. Like that's a nine month recovery. So he's going to be back soon and once he's back taking some pressure off of Cooper, that's really going to help him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Jason Cape could do that himself by playing more point guards. But that being said, yeah, it would help Kyrie out there. But yeah. Just going through the rookie numbers. Yeah. Kanippo has been freaking awesome. Freaking efficient. Cedric Coward also in that family. And then you know, you're Dylan Harper. I, I love now. Yeah. Who's out now and then it's Jeremiah Fears and, and others. But yeah, I lumped Cooper into that second tier. But caniple has been. He's.

[A]

I don't think it's that far off. I see what I hear what Trey's saying too. If like you're making the list today, you probably have Cooper anywhere between two and four probably on this list. Whether you have Coward and Cannibal above them. But we're talking at the end of the year here. We're projecting, I think holds the right call on this, man. It's a good call and maybe even the buy like you said. Like he's only. He's the youngest of all these guys. Is the other part of this right? Cooper, he's 18 years old. You guys have seen the stats, I'm sure going around of all the other, you know, really good superstar 18 year olds and how slow they started. Like even LeBron's and Dwight's and you know, the number of guys like McGrady and stuff like that. The stats are like we're minuscule for some of them. And he's still putting up stats. He's been thrown into the fire. He's probably being asked to do way too much. Oh yeah, we've agreed on that. So. Yeah. Okay. Fire. Hold. Probably most people are going on Cooper.

[B]

Yeah, he looks young. We said Cedric Howard looks old as a 22 year old. Monstrous man. But that guy's shooting 50, 40, 90. Some incredible stats for Cedric Coward. Canipple again, really good stats. But I will say this about Cooper flag since stats are fun. He's shooting 100 from the free throw.

[A]

I saw that.

[B]

Hasn't missed.

[A]

What's he at? How many attempts?

[B]

Oh, now I gotta do.

[A]

Can't be that many.

[B]

I wasn't, I wasn't prepared for that.

[A]

Totals. Totals.

[B]

Totals. 21 for 21.

[E]

Whoa.

[A]

Okay. A little higher than I thought actually. I thought you're gonna tell me 13 for 13, 21. For 21.

[C]

Unfortunately, if your best stat is you haven't missed a free throw yet, it's not a good start.

[B]

Not a good start?

[A]

No, no.

[C]

I mean, tell me what Cooper's been good at so far this year.

[B]

Transition. Awesome.

[A]

Defensively, he's been okay.

[C]

Okay, yeah, sure.

[A]

I know.

[C]

He's got nine seals and five blocks. I mean, they're fine. He's shooting under 40% from this.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

All of his baskets are in transition.

[A]

In his defense, it's like almost impossible to say. He's playing with like four other goddamn power forwards. He's like, Jason Kidd is doing the weirdest thing right now where Mavs fans are like getting extremely upset. Like, what are we doing here? Okay, now Russell's in the starting lineup. Maybe that changes some things, but it's a weird makeup of this team and the guys kids playing. So, like I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I still have all the faith in the world he's going to be a superstar. He's going to be great.

[C]

But this is not a good start.

[A]

No, no, no.

[C]

Definitely.

[A]

All right, next one here. Here's the team having a good start. The Bulls have been the biggest surprise of the season. I think that's fair to say. They're out to a 61 start. Best Record in the Eastern Conference. They had that 24 point comeback against the Sixers on Tuesday night. A breath of fresh air for Bulls fans. I mean, this team, this team, we're always making fun of the middling team. The team on the treadmill of mediocrity. And here they are, TK Top of the East. So buy, hold or sell Chicago Bulls in the playoffs. That's how we'll ask this. Not championships. Buy, hold or sell Bulls, I guess. Top six. Okay. Yeah, I think that's fair.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They're currently still favored to make it via fan duel. I would say the smart move here is to hold. They got six of their next seven games on the road. They got the Bucks and the Cavs. Then they're home against the spurs. Followed by the Pistons, Jazz, Nuggets and.

[B]

Blazers on the road.

[C]

If they make it through that like playing.500 basketball, you're buying immediately. And guess what? I'm buying no matter what.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you're buying bull stuff.

[C]

I'm buying bull stock.

[B]

Stock.

[C]

It feels like 21, 22 all over again when they were the talk of the league. Look how fast they're playing. We got Lonzo Ball giving it up to Alex Caruso on the fast break. They did make the playoffs, but they completely fell off in the second half of the season. They finished as the sixth seed that year. They're getting Kobe White back soon. That's going to help. Like he was in the mix with Giddy for their best player last season. He's a perfect fit with this team. They need some three point shooting as well. Vuch is literally the best clutch player in the league right now. Percentages wise. Hit the big shot against the Sixers, obviously. I think their defense is gonna sort of hold up. Numbers have like normalized. They're giving up 35% from three right now, which is good. You know, the Sixers shot it pretty well. The Knicks shot it really well in their two games. But the thing the Bulls are doing is they're just giving up twos to take away threes. They're gonna limit the attempts and then just let Vucci get scored on, basically. So, you know, sucks for him. He's going to be on the wrong end of a bunch of highlights. Yeah, but three is more than two, so you'd rather give up the twos. Looking at the rest of the Eastern Conference, I think you would say New York, Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, lock them in. Those are like the pretty confident playoff teams for me right now.

[B]

Yeah, agreed.

[A]

And then it's a big jumbled mess where the Bulls are probably in.

[C]

Bulls, Sixers, Hawks, Raptors, Heat, Celtics and Orlando might still get back into it. So there's two top six spots for seven teams. We'll see. Whoever stays healthiest probably are the two teams that make it without going through the play in tournament. But that's another like feather in the cap for the Bulls. They've got a lot of guys. They're sustaining two injuries to rotation guys right now. And Kobe and Zach Collins as well would be one of their first guys off the bench were he healthy as well. So I think they can keep it up and you know, I think to get to the six seed in the Eastern Conference, you don't got to win that many games. I already got six, so that's great.

[A]

That's right. I got to win like 40 more games or something like that.

[C]

Yeah, they always win 38 games. So just start the season now. 38 wins plus 6, 44. That might be home court advantage. We'll see.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

What do you think? Buy, hold, sell on the Bulls playoffs chances?

[B]

I'm holding. It does help that teams like Indiana and Boston with their injuries aren't playing all that well and one has become even more injured. I think it's going to come down to the wire. Adam Silver must be extremely happy that there's so many teams in there amongst this group. They are playing hard defensively, as you said. They kind of have come back to earth, especially when you're one in five, you're giddy and your vuch. They're going to get beat defensively over and over. But they are playing with length, they are playing with a little bit of heart. So I think it'll go down to the wire, really. And obviously Giddy playing at his best helps their offense. They're going to score points. The guy's getting everybody the ball. They can shoot. The question is. Yeah, with defense, if they get. If they get, you know, a little bit lax on that end, then they have to outscore teams. But they're outscoring teams right now.

[C]

Oh, you got an identity.

[A]

They. Exactly. They play super fast. I think it's like takes like five seconds for them to get into their first action, which, like, ranks second or third in the league. That's by way of Fred Katz. Fred Katz on the boulevard. Thanks for that, Fred. But yeah, the big question, I guess I'm holding. Can the defense keep up here? Because it's a funny game plan. It is like, stay attached to the three point shooters. Like, everybody get on the perimeter. Vuch, good luck back there, buddy. It's like, it's incredible because they don't have a rim protector. That's not vuch. It's like a stampede to the paint here. The Bulls give up more attempts and more makes in the restricted area than anybody. But they're like, well, it's better than guys raining threes on us, I guess. I can't wait to see Giannis tonight against the Bulls. That guy's like hitting 11 shots per game in the restricted area. How many could you have tonight against. Against your Bulls? It could be a lot of dunks, but, you know, maybe they get it back on the other end. That's how they're sort of playing. So I'm a hold. I think they're, you know, they're right there. They've proven with the Hawks, the Magic, the Sixers, the Heat, you know, Raptors probably a little bit down, but yeah, I do have the Pistons just above them. The Bucks. Yeah. I don't know. We'll find out. Maybe tonight, maybe it will be on his scoring 50 on them.

[C]

And he's had some success in his career against the Chicago Bulls.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. But the good point about the depth, I mean, it's a long Season guys are going to get injured and they've. They have so many guys. Six guys scoring in double figures right now. They get Kobe White back, that's another guy. I don't see why he won't fit with what they're doing. Hey, move the ball, play fast, score and then just stay out on the three point line as much as you can. Stay attached to shooters. So, yeah, they got the. They got the depth to handle an injury or two.

[B]

Our tourist Karnishevus was right about that. We just want a bunch of good guys.

[C]

That's literally what he said. We're just trying for a bunch of good guys.

[B]

They're gooding. They're. They're doing that. And yeah, watching Vuch kind of have to be there in front of the rim as guys come at him. It's sort of like what the Nuggets do with Nikola Jokic. Like, all right, yoke, you know, just be huge. You don't have to block anybody and just get the ball and push. And they're doing that pretty well. And Billy's. Billy's got a bit of a whip. You know, he yanked Matas Bouzelos when he wasn't trying. So that's a good thing that they're.

[A]

Yeah, he's the benefit of having all these good guys. He's like, hey, good guy one, you're out. Good guy two, you're in. Give it a go. I can't believe I'm going to say this, too. I like having the Bulls being a better team in the NBA. I think it's good for the league. It's like the next. It is. And again, like, I don't like these two teams. I mean, I cheer for them because of Trey. But it's true. The Knicks being good and the Bulls being good, it's better for the NBA ecosystem, I believe the media, at least part where people are talking about them, taking note of them. They're a huge market, so, I mean, that's a big play.

[C]

I'm looking forward to some games getting flexed onto national tv. They only had three games on national TV to start the year. They should be on NBC all the time.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, lean into the nostalgia maybe. Yeah.

[C]

Ask Michael Jordan about the Bulls. I want to hear what Michael Jordan thinks about Isaac Okoro. I've always wanted to.

[A]

Do you think Tirico asked him that in July at his house? I don't know. Something tells me no, better hope there's a second interview.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So they only have three the entire season.

[C]

What National Games.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, that's very low.

[A]

All right, next one here. His team still stinks, but Wizards big man Alex Saar is having a great second season. His averages are currently at 19 points, 8.4 rebounds, nearly four assists, including an efficient 54% from the floor. 45 from three. Not high volume. He's got 18 blocks over eight games. Task, buy, hold, sell. Alex Sars, sophomore leap.

[B]

I like it. So I'm holding whether you want to buy it or not because these numbers will come down. That being said, I think he has grown. He came into the league great defensive player and then we watched him last year. He did have a couple good months shooting the three. He had that in his bag to some degree. But I think the way he puts the ball on the floor now is entirely different. He is grown. You have to go guard him at the three point line or else you know you're going to let him rip. But I think his three point shooting will be really good no matter what. And then he's able to dribble and put it into the mid range and stop and actually score. And he can. He even put one through his legs at the three point line and ripped it. So I think he's, he's grown and he's shown that the defense will always be there. The three point shooting I think is going to be good and his handles have been good. So I think he's grown. I think yes, the leap is real because he's, he's gotten better.

[A]

Yeah, I think I'm a buy on this. I like what I see. I like his shot diet is better too. You say he can hit the three point and he'll let it rip and he did. I think he just did that way too much last year. He's, he's cut that out a little bit and realized, oh yeah, I'm a 20 foot seven footer. Sorry, I'm a 20 year old seven footer with crazy athleticism. I should be not shying away from contact. I should be going at guys and putting my chest into them and he's doing it more. More shot attempts are coming at the rim. So that's good to see. I just, I think a better balance here and obviously he still gives a great effort on the defensive end.

[C]

So fourth in the league in blocks like he came in and they're saying he's going to be a defensive player and we'll see what he can do offensively. And he's taken a step forward offensively. Less threes, more free Throws better percentages and he's making two pointers, which is huge. Like the three pointers are almost gravy, I think with sar, but he's seven feet tall. You should be able to score at the rim. And he is, I think about the 2024 draft a lot. Like probably too much. Bull's got the steal of the draft in Boozelis, but I think Sar probably would go number one in a redraft.

[A]

Interesting.

[C]

If he's got some offensive talent like this. The issue was that he didn't work out for Atlanta, played here at overtime Elite and said I'm not working out for the hometown team. So they took recesses. I think it would probably go Sarcastle, Bouzilles, McCain, George, Rhys, Lache, Clingan, Ware, something like that. Yeah, but I mean a 20 year old defensive playmaker who can stretch the court from the outside, that's a guy that goes first in most drafts.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good point. He already has two 30 point outings. He had 31 against the Celtics on Wednesday. He only had one of those last season. Only one really big game. Like, I mean in today's NBA it's not even all that much, but already two of them. Again, he's playing with force. That's the best part. Better shot diet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Unfortunately, his team still stinks. But he has put to bed the question of who's the best Wizards player. Because we had that debate for a while during the off season when we were talking about the team heading into over under wind projections. That was always coming up. Who's the best player on the Wizards. Is it one of the old guys that got. Is it Middleton and McCollum? Is it, you know, whoever. I was like, okay, no, it is Alexar. It is. Moving forward, he's. You can build around this guy.

[B]

100. And George is nice too, I think.

[A]

Oh yes, he's good. He's nice.

[B]

Star has benefited from a guy who's grown alongside him a little bit to handle the ball a little bit more. And Keyshawn George because he doesn't have to shoot for three pointers as much. But you're right in terms of just not just shooting far less threes. I didn't realize how much he's dropped off because he hits him at a really good percentage. But yeah, Alexandra Dam Saar, that's his name.

[C]

I saw that this morning. Alexander Dam Sar.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's good. Yeah.

[B]

When you see him do something well. Damn, sorry, Alex.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Next one here. Fanduel has their Own Thunder tab right now and whether or not they will set the NBA record for most wins in a season. If you're a believer, the FanDuel line right now on the Thunder to win 74 plus games is at plus 2800. Buy, hold, sell TK on OKC. Winning 74 plus games.

[C]

I gotta sell this one.

[A]

Yeah, me too.

[C]

I don't think 74 is gonna happen. I did the math. They're 8 and 1 right now. Yeah, that's a 73 win pace. Sorry, you're coming up one win short. That's a plus 2800 odds on FanDuel 280 to 1. But they also offer 58 to 1, 70 plus wins. Okay, I might have to hold that.

[A]

Ooh, I think I'm still selling.

[C]

But yeah, call me Carmelo Anthony because.

[B]

I want to hold that.

[C]

They look great. They look like the exact same team because they're the exact same team and they haven't been healthy.

[A]

They.

[C]

They're actually missing Jalen Williams for a slightly extended period of time. Caruso's been out. They just rested. Rested Chet Holmgrim in the loss to the Blazers. It's kind of just a matter of do they actually want to win 70 games? I feel like a fool. I took the under on 62 and a half, and that feels like a lock to me at this point.

[A]

Yeah, me too. I was there with you. You went over. I did, but we went under 62 and a half. That looking like an easy over.

[B]

Yeah. Well, they won two double overtime games. You know, those could have gone either way, and then we're going a different direction. But I think this 74/win season, that line came out when they were eight. Zero, right? Yeah. Now they're eight and one. Things are different. But 70, you can start talking. I still. I still wouldn't do it.

[A]

No.

[B]

That's super high. Would it be surprising, though? No.

[A]

If we're lining up teams that could win 70 games, we're putting OKC one. But I don't think it's realistic. Feels like an easy. Let's call it 65, 66 win team, and then they'll decide how hard they push at the end. The thing with them is, like, I want to know now. I want to know how far they can go with this. Like, I want to know if they could take SGA off the floor for a couple weeks. There's no J Dub. Chep barely plays or he's half in, half out because of his back. How many games could, like, basically the B team Thunder win in this league. They're still winning a lot of games. Not, not, not six or seven, but they're still winning a lot. And SGA obviously makes it go. He's an mvp. He's underrated at this point, I honestly believe. But they are just have so much talent. They'd still be a, they'd be a 40 plus win team, I think easily. But maybe you need the superstar to make it all work. I don't know how they say that.

[B]

Yeah, he's playing.

[A]

Who's ending. Who's ending games in this Hypothetical?

[C]

It's like A.J. mitchell.

[A]

It's like. Yeah. Really?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. The question is that. Yeah. Do they scale him back at some point because he is playing a lot, leading the league in every, you know, offensive category. Bunch of minutes. Not every offensive category, but you know what I mean? Do they look at the Golden State warriors when they won 73 wins and fell short in the playoffs and Steph says, because we kind of pushed ourselves to win so many freaking games. Do they do that or are they just young enough to be able to withstand. Probably, I imagine so.

[A]

Final one. As previously. As previously discussed, the Grizzlies suspended John Morant earlier this week for conduct detrimental to the team. His future with Memphis uncertain due to his inconsistent play. The off court issues, obviously his frustration maybe with the coaching staff. The trade machine sickos are having a field day. So buy, hold, sell, task John Morant on the Grizzlies by season's end.

[B]

What are you doing here at this point? I'm selling this. I think the front office isn't getting enough back, number one. Number two, I think they're just going to withstand it because of that because they're not getting a lot back in the deal and they're just gonna say, Josh, live with it man, and try it out. I could be wrong. I could go back the other direction, but I'll say sell. Just.

[A]

But you're saying John Morant is going to be there.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Oh, so you'd be buying this, wouldn't you?

[B]

Oh, am I, am I incorrectly interpreting?

[A]

That's how I read it.

[B]

But anyway, on the grizzly season. Oh, you're right. Yeah. No, I.

[A]

You think he's gonna be there? Yeah, just because mainly there's not going to be all that great a trade packages coming back.

[B]

I think that's a big part of it. If in Memphis, as long as Jaren Jackson Jr. Is okay and comfortable enough playing with John Morant, then yeah, I think they, they definitely want something decent coming back and they're just going to try and withstand it.

[A]

What do you think? I could be wrong, TK I guess.

[C]

I'm a hold with a lean towards a sell here. I think it's a hold right now because by all accounts, Ja Morant hasn't made a trade request. But it doesn't seem far fetched to me that Ja Morant would make a trade request. He does not like the way he's being used and subbed out. He's playing less than 30 minutes a game, lowest of his career. They're running out like a Euroleague substitution pattern. He's not playing with Jaren Jackson Jr. Nearly as much as he was. But something I hadn't really considered that Sam Amick wrote up in the Athletic is that the Grizzlies are working on a new lease for their arena. You would like to have a box office superstar if you're trying to sign a lease with your arena. So maybe that complicates things as well. The business part of basketball, the packages, like we talked about earlier this week, they don't feel like they're going to be very good. But that still might be better than having a malcontent in the locker room. So it kind of feels like either him or Thomas Isolo is going to be gone by the end of the season. And who is management going to back?

[A]

I'll tell you who's selling on this. Kevin Durant. Did you guys see the exchange between Kevin Durant and John Morant's father? Taylor had some fun trash talk going on back and forth. You know, Katie will talk, Timurant will talk. But Katie dropped a ruthless line to Timurant. He said, your son don't want to be here. We know it's your last weekend. Enjoy your time. Enjoy your time. So Katie's selling on the idea of John Moran and the Grizzlies by season end, as am I. At a certain point you're like, I don't know, this headache is not worth it. Look, we just saw it. We saw it happen with Jimmy Butler. Honestly, it's, it's, there's differences, but it's the idea of like a guy, a superstar can sort of like sort of drive your season into the ground and it can just be this black cloud hanging over you and it's tough for the fans, tough for the front office. And eventually you're just like, I ripped the band aid off. Okay, what are we getting back? 1, 1 first round pick and 2 maybe more movable contracts. But that weight off our shoulders that we can actually just focus on basketball. So I actually think it will happen. I do. But it's, that's really, it's really up to John Moran. His attitude too is the main part.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like he can like sort of squash this if he wants to, but I'm not convinced.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Seems slighted.

[B]

He seems bitter, that is for sure. But yeah, when you say that they want a superstar there. Yeah, it's like the Clippers resigning Kawhi Leonard. When they announced the Inuit dome is opening, they signed Kawhi Leonard to an extension just to have him around.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they did some other things possibly too.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Plant some trees in Memphis and John Morant will be happy, I guess. But they are playing different. Like last year, John Moran did take a step back in terms of minutes and all that and he's kind of playing similar to that. And so maybe he's just bitter that he's been there for. This is now year seven. Being there in Memphis, that's a long time.

[A]

All right, let's, let's take a break and when we come back, worst of the week nominees.

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[A]

Yeah.

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[C]

Of course.

[A]

Okay, let's get to worst of the week, ladies and gentlemen, the worst of the week. Tess. The nominees.

[B]

Yeah, three fun nominees. I asked people out there, who's your worst of the week? Some really good ones included Eric Spolzer. Unfortunately, not a real worst of the week. The man house was lit on fire. So very, very unfortunate news there, seeing those flames. It's unfortunate thinking about Eric Spolster in his scenario there.

[A]

Nobody injured.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Which is the good news of that.

[B]

That is the good news. Let's get to our nominees. Some bad news. Some bad news in Dallas. So the first nominee is Klay Thompson and the Mavericks because they stink. But I was starting with Klay Thompson because it's not often you see a guy who is so freaking good at shooting the ball, lose the ball the way he did, lining it up for that three like he does and it just going out of bounds over his head. He just lost it.

[A]

Shot it backwards.

[C]

Yeah, it's a great clip.

[B]

It is so hilarious. And he's so mad. He kind of did one earlier against the Rockets this season from Up Top. So it didn't go out of bounds. This was way worse because it literally went out of bounds and you can just stop and just shake your head. Unfortunately, now Clay is saying he is feeling good despite that. After that game, he said, quote, I'm gonna do great things. That's coming. I know it is. I'm feeling like those first five games were hard for me to get my win and get my legs under me. Now I'm finally feeling myself again. Even after that. Now you just know as a shooter, when that ball is just effortlessly flicking off your wrist, you know big things are coming. He even came off the bench that game. He hasn't come off the bench since his last year in Golden State.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Which obviously did not end well in part because of that.

[C]

Yes. Yes, indeed.

[B]

Yeah. So here we are. And I will say, last year, his best months, December and January, he was cooking.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Got off to a slow start. Maybe it's not coming in November, but it will come probably at some point. So the Mavericks, worst offense in the league. Just a bad situation, all in all.

[C]

Yep. He did go 3 for 6 that game, including one backward shot. And his career splits. He gets better as the season goes on. But when he came to Dallas, he signed up to get wide open shots from Luka Doncic, and now he's getting covered shots from a variety of power. Like, you're saying he didn't want to come off the bench when he was in Golden State. So it's just a disappointing start to the season for Klay Thompson here. And if he buys into a bench roll, maybe that's better for him at this point.

[B]

That's a good call. All right, second nominee here, The Hospital Pacers, they're calling them the Indiana Pacers are just banged up. So we go back. Tyrese Halburn, obviously injured last year. Then you lose Miles Turner, and it just gets worse and worse and worse. T.J. mcConnell hasn't played yet. Andrew Nemhardt, the guy was supposed to replace Tyrese Halburn, got hurt in the first game. Hasn't played yet, hasn't played since. Excuse me. Benedict Matheran played two games to start the season. Hasn't played since. Those obi Toppin played three games and out. I mean, that is a lot. They signed Mack McClung. They even waved Mac McClung, poor guy. They're one and seven. And it's. It's just a bad start. Overall win. You just went to the finals. And then, wow, what a turn. So I named, you know, multiple guys from their starting lap. Two guys, you know, air quotes, gone with Halliburton and Turner. And then your. Your Nemhard and your Matherine, who's supposed to fill in. McConnell's supposed to fill in, and you're top, and that's a lot of guys.

[A]

And then other guys that are filling in for them are then getting hurt in Johnny Furfy and Quentin Jackson. Like, yeah, it is crazy. Just keep going down the line. Guys continually get hurt. The hospital Pacers, bad. This is. This is a wash this season.

[C]

This is a wash day. Maybe it plays out okay. Maybe they get a good draft pick and then they add Halliburton next season. I don't know who, like, the big guys are this year. I know Cam Boozer is Kind of a big guy, but they can use a big guy, especially with toppin going down. J. Huff hasn't really impressed early on this year. It's too bad about Furphy, because when the team has this many injuries, you'd love to see a young guy, like, get an opportunity. Let's see what he can really do. Because there just wasn't a spot for him last year. The Pacers were super deep. Didn't get a chance really to play their first round pick. He looks like he's at least a good athlete, but he's got a bad ankle. Not ideal.

[B]

No. Yeah, and sometimes he has some monster dunks.

[C]

I've never seen one personally.

[B]

Never seen a fur.

[C]

Nah, nah, nah. He doesn't have a famous one.

[B]

I will say the Hospital Pacers as a name, as a. As a nickname. I don't think that's gonna stick. Maybe that's a good sign. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

This is pretty good, actually. From E.C. hendershot here in the stream Team Indiana patients.

[A]

Oh, patients, as in, in a hospital?

[C]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

Not. Not a bowl of patients ending with. Reggie Miller once tried to sell us. Yeah.

[C]

And then Anna Pacer once sold us.

[A]

A bowl of patients.

[F]

Right.

[B]

What's that, Reggie Miller or Steve Smith?

[A]

Oh, I thought it was Reggie Miller.

[C]

I thought it was Reggie.

[B]

Oh, my bad, my bad.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

The Corpse Clippers is another one. People are thrown around for the fact that they're old, not that they're dead.

[A]

Beale looked like it last time, but yeah, the one guy getting an opportunity because all the injuries been playing okay. Jerris Walker.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the minutes I've seen, he's not shooting the ball that well, but like, he's getting an opportunity.

[C]

He's getting run.

[A]

Yeah, he's getting run. Yeah. And obviously wasn't getting a lot of burn, but that guy was a. He was like a top 10 pick, wasn't he?

[C]

Number eight. Yeah, he was pretty decent in the playoffs and then rolled his ankle right before the playoffs.

[A]

Man. What's going on with the Pacers? All right, Indiana, Patience. Okay, I don't mind. I don't mind it.

[B]

Yeah, I think that'll stick. That's why I thought Hospital Pacers kind of a good sign that, that, that won't stick. But I think Indiana patients will stick a little bit more. Final nominee here. Jalen Brown's hair did it again.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

This time it was worse. So we know his. His hairline is faded. Hairline is unfortunately sprayed in with black spray. And it happened earlier on this season with OG Anunoby. But this time, when he did it to Keyshawn George's shirt under his jersey, he knew it was there. Keyshawn George looked at it, OJ and nobody didn't know it was there, but Keyshawn George looked at it, and he had to know that, oh, you're still doing that. You're still coming back when you said you're shaving your head. So I don't know what's going on with Keyshawn George and Jalen Brown streak again. Yeah, yeah. Because it's on that shirt. It's.

[C]

It's on his under.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

It's there.

[C]

He stopped and looked very funny. Like, reaction. He's like, what?

[B]

What?

[C]

I didn't know this was gonna happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because play ended and he had the opportunity to look at it.

[A]

Yeah. This is a bad era for Jaylen Brown to be playing in when you're going to spray your hairline. Because more guys than ever to me, are wearing the white T shirts underneath their jerseys. Good call. There's like one to three guys a night on every team that are rocking these things. They're looking like me at a pickup run.

[C]

There's a lot of T shirts right now.

[A]

There are. I'm telling you. Great point. I was like, formulating maybe, maybe some short content of the best T shirt team you could put together right now.

[C]

Shirt short.

[A]

Yeah. Cause there's a lot. But anyway, that means there's a lot of white fabric out there. And if you've got the spray on hair and you're obviously mixing it up, you're gonna smudge some.

[B]

That being said, I'll debate that comment. Because it's a sleeve. It's literally just a sleeve. Unlike a jersey, like a white jersey.

[A]

I would say it's more likely for my head in going by you to touch your sleeve than it is like it was with OG in the middle of his chest. That's pretty rare, what you got versus shoulder.

[B]

Yeah, but you're playing. You're playing defense with it, with the whole body.

[A]

I know, but then you're going by me. You're going by me.

[B]

Yeah. That's why you slide by it.

[A]

Yeah. You slide by because you got all this spray paint on.

[B]

It's like boxing or mma. They put on the. The. The Vaseline. Yeah. So you hit it and slide off.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

That's what a T shirt it is. Oh, this was. This was rare. I thought this was. And again, played dead. So Keyshawn George looks at his arm. Very, very funny. And we have it here.

[A]

There it is.

[B]

Yeah. And Jaylen Brown, being extremely funny, tweeted the photo of Keyshawn George or tweeted the video of Keshawn George and saying, AI is getting out of hand pretending it's fake. Yeah, he's pretending it's fake. I mean, he is embracing it. As we said on last week week's worst of the week, He's. He's owning up.

[C]

He's taking a while, for sure.

[B]

Yeah, that's pretty funny.

[A]

I have one more nominee that I'd like to throw at you, and I saw Trey share it on his social media channels. But worst of the week to the NBA YouTube page for continuing to push what I call combo stats. Thumbnail bullshit. And here's the example. Josh Giddey had himself a week back to back triple doubles. But then they do this on the NBA YouTube page where they combine the two games because they're showing all the footage, I guess, that in the video. But you can't put this on a graphic.

[C]

What a game.

[A]

Because it looks like Josh Kinney just had the greatest game of all time. 52 points, 27 assists, 24 rebounds. That's on the thumbnail. 55 tacos, 55 fries, 55 pies. But you got to stop doing this. It was. We were getting upset. When they do the three guys from the Rockets, KD Shengoon, Amen Thompson.

[C]

78 points combined.

[A]

78 point. They don't even say combined. That's the thing. They just put 78 points. Okay. Yeah, we know. They all have good games. Whatever. This is even crazier, though, because you are led to believe until you read, obviously, the actual title for the thumbnail. This is just clickbait, man. I get it. We're in the YouTube streets. I understand.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You got to get people clicking. But I. This is too far. I don't like this. That's worst of the week nominee to me.

[C]

We're gonna start doing this. Actually, every Thumbnail should say 1 million subscribers.

[B]

Whoa.

[C]

They got a million?

[A]

Okay.

[C]

No, not quite.

[A]

But I love this.

[C]

Actually, only for the Bulls, because it makes it look like Josh Giddy is Wilt Chamberlain.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. The 50. 20, 20. Good game. Good game. Pulled it out. Taz, what's your opinion on it? Am I overreacting or.

[B]

No, you're not. No, I know. I know. You're a thumb man. You like making the thumbnails, and so that. That angers you. I get it. When you guys shared it, I said that. Is that Is ridiculous. It should be focused on one, limited to one game.

[A]

And if you're. Oh, look, if you're. Or if you're gonna do that, it.

[B]

Should say per game or whatever.

[A]

Like two games or back to back triple doubles or something.

[F]

I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, put something small font even. I get it, man. They got me talking about it. You know, they got people clicking on it. Whoa, what the hell did Joe do? Oh, it was two games.

[C]

You know, they also, they're stretching out the, like the length of the condensed games now. They used to be like a, maybe like a 9 to 12 minute clip and now they're like 17 minutes. They're also throwing up a new thing. Game of the night.

[A]

I like that.

[C]

I don't mind it. I like that because that's a quick 26 minute version.

[A]

Yeah, I was going to say about 30 minutes.

[F]

That's.

[B]

Adam Silver said that it is a. It's a highlight league. And so I think they're saying, okay, you might not want to watch a whole game, but what about a 15 minuter?

[C]

There you go.

[B]

What about a 20 minute.

[C]

Or get your watch time up. Watch time metrics are very important in YouTube.

[A]

I want to see a thumbnail on the NBA YouTube page. One billion minutes watched or something with Adam Silver's face.

[C]

I would love to see that.

[A]

And then it's just. What would be the actual video? I guess just Adam Silver looking at reports going, nice, good.

[C]

This is good.

[A]

Good month.

[C]

This is good.

[A]

Whoever came up with Game of the night. Good stuff.

[C]

How about a season long highlight pack for every player with their total stats for the year combined? It's like, wow, Luca, don just had 2,500 points last night. That's amazing.

[A]

Don't give them ideas. They do that stuff. They do it. All right, so. So who do you think is the winner of worst of the week from Tess nominees or I guess if you want to chuck mine in there too, Let us know in the stream team. Let us know in the YouTube comments. Engage, engage, engage with the YouTube.

[B]

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[A]

Okay, well Tass is setting up our poll here. Let me set up tonight's Pick' em game. Lots of games on tonight, lots of games on this weekend. NBA cup back in our lives. So we're picking a Cup game because these two teams are in the same group and they're both 10 and they're two teams near and dear to our heart. It's the Raptors at the Hawks. KA KA Hawks favored by one and a half. Back in the fortress, the Raps. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know if I'm going down again tonight or not. But this is a big game in terms of NBA cup. Huge cup game. You're going LA Atlanta and excuse me, you're Going Raptors.

[C]

Yeah, I'm going Raptors. We'll see what happens here. This, to me, is like kind of a prove it game for the Hawks. They look so bad on opening night against Toronto. Just got the ball ran down their throats. Now things have changed. Trey Young is out played in opening night. Maybe that helps the defense for Atlanta, but they gotta have a better effort after getting smoked in game one of the season.

[A]

Tess, is this a reverse jinx from you as a Raptors fan and somebody struggling right now and pick them? That's what I was wondering. Going Hawks.

[B]

I'm planning to go over for the entire month.

[A]

Never been done.

[B]

Never been done.

[A]

The history of the show.

[B]

Yeah, it is. I do think, yeah, the Hawks are trying to avenge that loss. That was embarrassing in Atlanta. So you. You're on that same floor. You got to come out and play hard. They will share the ball a little bit more, but the Raptors should win this game. They have so many freaking talented guys that should be sharing the ball themselves. We'll see if they're able to play a little D. That's the question. That's more of the question than anything.

[A]

Okay, so Trey and I with the Raptors, got one point to play with because the Hawks are favorites. One and a half task needs them to win by two or more. We'll find out tonight. NBA cup action. Again, lots of games on. All right, it is Friday, which means it's rapid fire time. J.D. you got the questions? Because it's your birthday.

[F]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are we thinking? No, no, that's after My bad, my bad. I got it all. I got it all mixed up. Sorry.

[C]

This might be the first time we ever had an E block.

[A]

That's the E block. Yeah, man.

[F]

An E block.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[A]

Oh, I really screwed Jay. Hey. I mean, now I have to check our collective.

[F]

No, no, you are correct. I'm looking right at it. Okay, anyways, rapid fire, first question. David McMenamon tweeted a JJ Redick quote after the Dodgers won the World Series. Boo. Redick said he became a Dodgers fan while he was a Clipper, but refused to go on the Jumbotron at the games because he knew he'd get booed as a Clipper. What's something you're involved in that is a little bit embarrassing to admit?

[A]

Skeets, I'm talking a lot about YouTube on today's show, but I want to read a few YouTube titles of my thing that I'm. I guess a Little embarrassed to admit. Here they are. Quote, these new holiday boxes are amazing. These are all in caps locks, by the way. I went crazy and spent $30,000 on the biggest kaboom hunt ever. Final one opening. $12,000 of boxes of Panini's last ever immaculate basketball. I am J.D.

[C]

Skeets.

[A]

I'm a grown ass man and I watch people open up sports basketball cards on YouTube. Specifically, a guy named Pac man, legend, hashtag Richard Pacman, is a legend. I love it. It's one of my favorite things to watch right before going to sleep.

[C]

It is boring.

[A]

Yeah, it is. But it's just enough to keep you sort of awake. Yeah, Pac man, my favorite. The amount of money this guy drops on this stuff, like I said, you know, $30,000, $12,000. Like task. These videos are like hours long. Just opening up cards.

[B]

What about the kaboom cards? Sounded good.

[A]

Kabooms are expensive searching for, but yeah, I watch a lot of this. I also, I just consume a lot of card content from being honest. Podcasts and stuff and YouTube's.

[C]

So podcast, huh?

[A]

Yeah. Yep.

[C]

Hey, we all have our interests.

[F]

No judgment.

[A]

That's right. Substack. One of these days, I'm opening up cards on. On our substack. So that's another reason to go subscribe back. Yeah. Do you guys mind if I use some company money to go five bucks? I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But that's my thing. I'm admitting here. I'm a Pac man head.

[C]

Hey, I subscribe to pac man on YouTube and Instagram.

[A]

Oh, very nice.

[B]

A pack.

[C]

I was part of the pack for a little bit.

[A]

I do love him.

[B]

I love his face.

[A]

This is what he looks at.

[C]

The Desmond Bain. That's his guy, right?

[D]

That's right.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, He's a huge bane head.

[F]

Didn't you guys open a bunch of packs yesterday on or the day before?

[A]

Oh, well, digital. Digital packs.

[B]

Digital packs.

[A]

That's right. I love opening things.

[F]

Great.

[C]

Opening is awesome.

[A]

But I'm doing cards. Eventually we'll get to it on substack. I want to upgrade my phone. I got an old iPhone. I'm due for an upgrade. I need better quality. Jd I want to talk to you about overhead shot and also reaction shot.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We're making this a production.

[F]

Wow. Okay, no problem. Tassie, what's something you're involved with that's a little embarrassing to admit?

[B]

Well, I've been opening some things recently too. Not packs boxes, because I'm getting rid of them. Finally getting rid of Some boxes in my house. Recycling those, no problem. But there's so much Styrofoam in those boxes that can't be recycled. Oh, yeah. Oh, God, I hate. So the embarrassing thing that I did was I tried to find somewhere where I could recycle them. I ain't throwing them in the garbage for you. So I call the city of Atlanta. They tell me, oh, yeah, you can drop it off here. I got an address. It's a fire department. Okay, sure. I'll head on over to the fire department.

[F]

Head on over.

[B]

Excuse me, Mr. Fireman. Where can I drop off these Styrofoam? No, no, we don't do that. Oh, come back here. Atlanta. I got on Atlanta again. They said you can go to this. The city park thing. Charm. Oh, yeah.

[A]

There's charm down here.

[B]

There's charm. Yeah. I should have gone. Well, I was going everywhere. I was going to Finger Snap Road. There's a road called Finger Snap.

[F]

Is that real?

[B]

Yeah, it's a road. Yeah.

[F]

Finger Snap.

[C]

Finger Snap Road.

[B]

Cool place. A cool place.

[A]

Right by Peach Tree.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Char. Char.

[B]

It was a Tuesday. Charms closed Monday. Tuesday. So that's what got me. And the city park was a lie to.

[A]

Oh, so they're just straight up lying to you. They don't know what they're doing off the phone. Call them.

[B]

And I said, this has been. This is several hours of my time. Like, I've been making calls on the. On the road. So, you know, I'm finding things to do. But I said, all right, here comes a garbage dump. I'm just dropping them off at this garbage dump at a church which says. Which says, hey, only our garbage. The cameras are on. So I threw.

[A]

I'm trying to do the most, like, legal thing.

[B]

Yeah. I'm driving around. I opened up the garbage dump. I threw him in. I said a little prayer, I did my cross, and I left. So there's no way they can arrest me for that.

[F]

You did that for the camera?

[B]

Yeah. I'm kidding. I didn't do that, but I did it. I did it for the no Dunks.

[F]

Wow.

[B]

Audio podcast. And I left.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Yeah. Poor Styrofoam. So stupid.

[A]

So you, like, were these, like. Like, boxes or things you kept because of. They were equipment or something. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like speakers or, you know, computer. Yeah, yeah. But it was time.

[A]

Nice. Yeah. Tough to get rid of.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just want to be able to put them in my own recycling bin. That would be awesome. Yeah, right?

[C]

That would be awesome.

[B]

That would be awesome.

[F]

That would be good. That would be good. Okay, Trey, what's something you're involved with? It's a little embarrassing to admit.

[C]

Skeets and I play pickup every Thursday night and I'm the only guy that's takes a shower in the public shower afterwards. It started off like I would just go in the shower stall, take off my clothes, put on my.

[A]

My night clothes. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Then I was like, God, man, I'm a little sweaty. It's the summer. Rinse my head underneath the faucet. Oh, that feels so good. Wait a second. Somebody left a bar of soap over there and now I'm just washing my hog with a. Some random person's bar of soap, not.

[A]

Even bringing his own.

[C]

Now I look at it every week. I'm like, that doesn't look like it moved to me.

[F]

Yeah, you're the only one using it.

[A]

It hasn't for sure.

[C]

I don't. I think the same. Because the dead cockroach in there also hasn't moved.

[A]

That's my issue. Big reason why I'm not particular. A lot of dead bugs down in that shower. Yeah, they're pretty gross, but good on you.

[C]

I got home last night after having showered at the church. And, you know, I'm saying hi to Laura. She's watching her shows, that kind of stuff. I go downstairs, drop things off into the laundry. Andre, come upstairs. She's like, did you already take a shower? So I told her, no, I took a shower at the church. She's like, why do you do that?

[B]

We have.

[C]

We have a shower at our house. I was like, yeah, but I was already clean when I got home.

[A]

Well, and we do go out for drinks and food after.

[C]

Yeah, it feels good to be clean.

[B]

For sure.

[F]

There's people that don't shower that go to my gym, and I'm. I. I have a bougie gym. It's like a. Much like the main reason I'm coming here is to shower.

[A]

This is so much better than fun.

[F]

The pickleball, the working out is fine, but I'm not leaving here not clean. That's crazy to me. All right. And it's also somebody else's water.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

Wow. Yeah, you can. You're just gonna use that. True. You're have an hour shower.

[F]

Yeah, damn right. Okay, next one. Stephen A. Smith is starring in an utterly absurd, fully AI generated ad for the World Solitaire Championship. I don't even understand that sentence. But anyways, what's the dumbest thing you could be the world champion of skeets easy bagging groceries.

[A]

No one do it like me. And my whole goal when we go grocery shopping is to just impress the cashier or the other baggers. That's all my whole goal.

[F]

Show up.

[A]

I'm pure speed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Pure speed. But, you know, good enough that things are going together. But when I get, like, a compliment, it's like, damn. Like, it's always to Nora, like, what's wrong with your husband, basically? But, like, he's good, eh? So I like, oh, man. People have. They've, like, offered me jobs there on the spot.

[F]

This is good. I mean, we are on a knife's edge here at. In the. The media business. Right. So it's good to have those skills sharp.

[A]

It is. And, like, my OCD kicks in and it's like, it's. It's a good job for me. You still talk to people. It's a really good job for me. I'm gonna do this when I'm older.

[F]

I'm dead.

[A]

Seriously. It's perfect for you.

[C]

Fast chat people up.

[A]

Yeah, it's like. It's like a little puzzle in a weird way.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So there's the Instagram reels of men who like doing that with their dishwasher. Fitting that. Why aren't there reals of people doing that with grocery. You're talking production. You need some multiple cameras. You need people coming in with you to shop for groceries that are filming. Yeah, the bag.

[A]

And I'd like to say right now, because I can hear it already in the comments. There are times where it's their job, obviously, people to bag groceries. I'm not stepping in. I'm not tapping them out.

[F]

No.

[A]

I'm like, go ahead.

[F]

Yeah, but you're losing your mind when they're doing it a little bit, depending.

[A]

Sometimes.

[B]

Sometimes.

[A]

But I'm talking about places that. That, you know, it's just the cashier. And we generally, when we go grocery shopping, get a lot of stuff, too.

[B]

So it's.

[A]

There's a lot. And we're bringing our own bags. Task military worry about that. And I know this. The integrity of each bag. What should be going in this one? What should be going in that one? All right. I'm going in the world championships.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

I. I wonder if it's a thing. It might be.

[A]

Sounds like it would be. Yeah.

[F]

I'd watch speed bagging Tassie with something thing. What's the dumbest thing you would be the world champion of?

[B]

I would be the world champion at touching the most beans which aren't actual beans. Over 24 hours.

[A]

Go on.

[B]

I like touching my. My kids toe beans. The bottom. A little pad of a toe. That's the toe bean. We call them toe beans. My kids toe beans, My wife's toe beans, my cat's toe beans. They're fun, they're soft, little enjoyable, and we sing while we do them. Great song. Okay. Toe beans, toe beans. Toby. Thank you for the Instagram. Real creation of whoever did that. They sang it. I just stole that song. But anyway.

[A]

Song already?

[B]

Well, it's a. No, it's like a, you know, real. It's for a video.

[A]

Somebody singing toe beans, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. First time I've ever heard of this term. It's apparently, like, trending on Tik Tok. We all have our interests. He's got jobies. We all like different stuff.

[F]

This whole thing is dishwashers and feet, recycling, dishwashers.

[A]

Toe beads.

[B]

Yeah. Well, the. The dishwasher is more The. If it's a male, female relationship, quite often the. The reals are the man likes to get ding. It's in order. And the females just throw.

[A]

That happens in my house, for sure. Sure.

[B]

So that's. Yeah, that's more of a relationship thing to talk about. Jd, do you.

[A]

I would assume you do that, too, because it's. You're trying to be more efficient with the dishwasher use. Right. To. When you're going to run it. Let's get it full. Let's get it packed.

[B]

Pack it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. That's what I do, too.

[B]

I want to pack my washing machine, too. With clothes up to the brim. Is that stupid? Of course I wouldn't do that.

[A]

No.

[B]

It's not good to wash clothes like that.

[E]

I'm.

[C]

I'm bad at loading the dishwasher.

[B]

Are you? Yeah.

[A]

You're a sloppy guy. Yeah.

[C]

I had to do, like, remedial dishwash packing. Had to take a course and everything. Look, the bowl's got to point towards the inside. Otherwise they don't get clean. All right, here's a mystery. Here's a mystery I can't figure out.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

How do you get the top of your coffee cups to not have water on them?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you can get them on an angle, for sure helps. But that's. That's a tough one.

[B]

One.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hate that.

[C]

Hate that.

[F]

Okay, Trey, what's the dumbest thing you would be the world champion of checking.

[C]

To see if the garage door is closed? I leave every day from my house. Make sure to keep my Eyes peeled to see if it goes down. And then by the time I get to the first stop sign, I'm like, did I close the garage door?

[F]

No.

[C]

Luckily we got a WI fi enabled garage door open opener. Why do they have those? For people like me to pull up the app and say, oh, yeah, closed one minute ago.

[A]

I didn't know that was a thing.

[C]

You don't need it.

[A]

I don't have a garage though.

[C]

Unless you're me. And then I 100 need it because every day I forget if I close the garage. So I don't want to leave it open.

[A]

No.

[F]

Yeah, but you could butt dial your garage door open, right? In theory.

[A]

Oh, no. You ruined them. Sitting here the time all show now thinking about it.

[B]

You mean if you get the alert on your phone and you. And you press it by accident? Essentially.

[F]

Maybe that's. That stuff makes me nervous.

[A]

But you think people are hacking it. I think people are in his garage.

[C]

It's happened. You can get like a. Like an Amazon delivery and they'll open.

[B]

Your garage door stuff on the inside.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't like that.

[C]

I had to turn that one off.

[F]

Yeah. That's wild.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[F]

Crazy. Okay, finally. We. We finally hung up up our new classic factory sign. You can see it there behind Trey. It's lighter than the last one. It's brighter than the last one. It's straight up glorious. What's a cherished object from your past you'd love to bring back into your life, but a little bit upgraded? Fel. I mean, Skeets.

[A]

I guess I'll go Elf. Elf dolls.

[F]

Oh, like the elf on a shelf? No, no.

[A]

My favorite television characters. You guys are already in the Christmas spirit. You think I'm talking elf with an E? I'm talking elf with an A, baby. Yeah. I didn't know how to answer this, but remember the elf dolls?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.

[A]

I mean, let's bring them back. Let's upgrade them. Yeah, let ALF open your garage. You know.

[C]

I will.

[A]

So else anything. Throw some technology in an elf doll and we're laughing.

[F]

They can do a lot now.

[A]

Yeah, of course. And I always loved, as I've said before on the show, when you saw elf's feet. So now you can see them all the time. Tass, you like toe beans? Wait, do you see elf's toe beans?

[F]

Y.

[C]

We didn't see his toe beads.

[B]

I bet they're good.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[F]

Okay, move on. Tassie, what's a cherished object from your past you'd love to bring back into Your life, but upgrade it.

[B]

Well, I mentioned I was getting rid of boxes and stuff. There's also a golf clubs. There's set of golf clubs that have been sitting there that I haven't used in probably a decade. So it's time to get rid of those and get some new ones. Not that I really use them.

[C]

Get some pings.

[B]

Yeah, get a ping. Just go to the drive range. I'm probably not going to the actual course. Let's hit some ball else.

[C]

We played golf once, me, you, and Lee.

[B]

That was probably the last time I played. Wow. A mere 10 years ago. SCANDLER Park, I think.

[C]

Yeah, that's right. It might have even been longer than 10 years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How'd you do it?

[C]

He was under.

[A]

Pardon? He was amazing.

[B]

Yeah, it was Larry there.

[A]

He used to golf there.

[C]

So he's a big golf head.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As a public course. Right.

[B]

That's a public horse. Was it a niner?

[C]

It's a niner.

[B]

Yeah. It's nice.

[F]

It is a bit of a waste living in Atlanta and not golfing because you can golf all year round. Like, yeah, golfing friends back home are like, they get like three months.

[A]

I. I live. I live 20ft from a golf course. Like at the end of my dead end street is hole number four of a pretty decent course. Haven't golfed at once. I just not.

[B]

Not a big golfer.

[A]

Maybe one of these days people do.

[B]

It here in the south, dude. Like, fly down here to the south to golf.

[F]

True, true. Trey, bring us home. What's a cherished object from your past you'd love to bring back into your life, but upgraded.

[C]

Favorite phone I ever had was the Sidekick with the screen that like flipped open, had the little keyboard underneath.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Phones are a lot better now. I feel like they could re release a Sidekick with like updated technology. Yeah, no touchscreen, I suppose, but like, that was a cool phone and it was fun to use. It felt like like a Batman device.

[A]

Like how it opened.

[C]

Yeah, Very cool. Had lean like a cholo as my ringtone back in the day. Elbows up, side to side and womp.

[B]

Womp.

[C]

What it do ringtones? Maybe bring those back. Yeah, I don't have a ringtone now. I'm a silent guy.

[F]

Yeah, same.

[C]

I'm sure they still exist, but that's a good point.

[A]

Like, I mean, I don't change my ringtone. So, like you're out around a lot of people. A phone goes off, off. It's like you don't even know if it's you.

[F]

Yeah, cuz.

[A]

Everybody's got the same one Y. Yeah. Bring back ringtones.

[C]

I like ringtones.

[F]

Yeah, let's do it.

[A]

Stepping on the beach.

[E]

Sure.

[A]

OG New. I would go OG Personally, no offense to jab.

[F]

No, no, no offense.

[C]

That would be quite jarring.

[B]

All right.

[A]

That's rapid fire. Not so rapid at all. That was the D block. Now we're into the E block because we're doing something for the first time here. We are thanking our founding members on Substack. Some of you crazy people out there, you wanted to support the show after 20 years and you laid some money down, some hard earned money to help us out on Substack. And we want to give a shout out. So what we're going to do is we're going to shout out 10 people every Friday here moving forward. And we start with the first 10. It's like an award show here. Our first 10. In no particular order except they're in a particular order because your name about to show up. Jeff B. Let's give it up for Jeff B. Everybody. You're gonna love this next name. Everybody get your vroom vrooms ready for Brett Ferrari. Vroom vroom. We got Daniel M. Coming through as a founding member on Stone Stack. Danny, I believe this gentleman is a Canadian, Devin T. Pretty sure. Hey, Tass, how about those Tom drivers that you got underneath your house or in a room? Thank you, Tom Cred. Fred Bulls fan.

[C]

Oh, big time Bulls driving the bus.

[A]

Thank you. C. Red Fred. We got Jordan L. Coming through. Jordan love. Cowboys or packers quarterback.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Maybe, maybe Mike Barrett, another Canadian. Good old Canadian boy. Thank you, Mike. Really appreciate it.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Our first what I believe, first female of the bunch here, Noah. Thank you, thank you, thank you for supporting. And last one here of this Bunch, our first 10 founding members, it's Oscar Fang. So sincere. Thanks. And we have to all of these, we have merch out to a lot of you. If your name was on there and you didn't get your shirt from us, that means you probably had an email go to your spam or your junk box. So check that out because we emailed all of our founding members to get them hooked up. Nora helping us out big time, getting those out from breaking T. So a lot of you responded. Some of you haven't. So maybe check your inbox or. Sorry, your junk box may have gone there first 10 down. Check another. At least another six or seven weeks to go of this. That's how many people.

[C]

Yep, excellent. Keep them coming.

[A]

Exactly. We also love our monthly subscribers or the people that did like, obviously the year subscription. Love it, love it, love it. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Link for the substack is in the show Notes what we like. Volume four coming out very soon with our things we recommend and some other links that we liked from the past week. And we also recap every wedgie now with the wedgie scale. So we got some things coming eventually. I'm opening cards live from the shed TK after a huge Bulls wins. So there's a lot.

[C]

Yeah, it's not always just going to be Bulls wins, but there's been so many of them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, man, it's fun.

[F]

We got a classic re watches.

[A]

Oh, I forgot about that this month.

[F]

Pick one for this month.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like we've done before with beach, step in, sort of get you to the front of the line with your questions. It's a way to give back. So thank you, thank you, thank you. All right, call it there. This guy's got two movies to go watch on his birthday.

[C]

Jealous? To be quite honest, a little jealous.

[A]

When's your first screening? 2:00pm okay. Yeah. You're not kidding. Eh, Day Movies. Thanks for joining us here for the Drop podcast. Thanks for joining us. All week long, the number's going up, up, up on YouTube and the podcast list as well. So keep subscribing, keep sharing the show, keep leaving us reviews and the likes and all that stuff. We'll see you on Monday for NBA Weekend winners and losers. A lot of games on this weekend. So we'll recap it to the best of our abilities on Monday at 10am Eastern. Till then, Clipper Bros. You heard it here first. Have a great time. Turn up. Love you guys.

[C]

Awesome.

[B]

Thanks for joining us. And remember, we made an error a little earlier in the show. Not, not the production error, but Jamal Mosley's name was spelled wrong. That's on me. That's on me. No H in that, Jamal. It's a rare. It's a rare Jamal with an H. It's just spelled regular Jamal. But we noticed these things. So we screwed up, right? We screwed up.

[A]

I say we start. Just start over. Let's shut this stream down. We'll fire up a new one.

[C]

Combine the views, put them out on the thumbnail.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[C]

28 million. You know what? Live viewers concurrently.

[A]

Honestly, just. Why don't we just leave you just keep this going. Maybe like put something on the. Just keep Jesse there. Keep Jesse there. People would just tune in like, wow, these guys are still alive. And we'll try things, try things Got goose the numbers baby Brace the weekend people.

[B]

Jesse.

[A]

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