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Good morning sweet world and welcome to the no Dunks podcast presented by FanDuel. It's Wednesday, November 26, 2025. This is the Drop in the middle of the week. I'm J. Skeets here in the classic Factory and alongside me as always, TAS Melis.
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Drop lovers, this is for you.
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Next to him is my top shot hot boy, Trey Kirby.
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Ayo.
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Ayo. And over yonder, making the magic happen, super producer JD Hello. There he is. Here we are. Hello to everybody on YouTube. Hit the like button. Subscribe podcast listeners five star ratings and reviews Action Pack drop today, our final live show of the week. We're going to devour some Thanksgiving inspired NBA questions. TAS has a few feuds to take us through in Worst of the week and we got Whoa boy. We got Rapid Fire and so much more. But we did have some games last night. We can touch on these very briefly. Three games. The big takeaway was everybody was A temper, boy. A lot of pushing and shoving, few ejections. Anyway, Luka and LeBron led the Lakers past the Clippers. They clinch their NBA cup group, they're on to the knockout round. Anthony Black scored a career high 31 helping the Magic crush the Sixers 144 to 103. And then CJ McCollum, guy goes for 46 points. He had 10 threes. The Wizards snap a 14 game skid with the big win over the Atlanta Hawks. Any thoughts on those three games?
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Last night when we got into the season, Trey brought up who's the best Washington Wizard. He said, alex Saar. And I thought, well, what about C.J. mcCollum? How dare you disrespect, respect C.J. mcCollum. He's got these 40 point jobs occasionally. The other thing that clearly not a great night of NBA basketball. But Luka Doncic is now said that there are three courts when it comes to NBA cup courts that have been slippery since he started playing in 23. He said it when he went into New Orleans. He said that NBA cup court was slippery. A couple weeks ago, again, it was in New Orleans, another one was slippery. And then yesterday, this one in LA home court, he said things are getting slippery. He said it's dangerous. I slipped multiple times. Other players were slipping. And then he referenced it to a court that he played in in Spain when he was a young professional player that it was slippery there. It's like he knows what's going on with this feet. He's basically saying they're slippery. So I noted that in 2023 he said it. Jaylen Brown actually said it as well.
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I do remember that.
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But last year they were cool, all cool.
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What do you got to say for yourself? Victor Solomon.
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Exactly. Exactly.
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Interesting.
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Yeah. That's all.
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Yeah. Those are the type of takeaways from last night.
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Not much for sure, but will there be a meeting with Victor Solomon? If Luka Doncic, a superstar, is now again, that's twice in two weeks here, two different courts. So he's the only one complaining about it though.
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That's the type of paint they're using.
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Is it high gloss?
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Yeah, maybe.
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Go matte.
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You got any thoughts from last night?
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I mean, I got some thoughts.
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Yeah.
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You know, we played a pickup ball. We're walking into the gym. Everybody's talking about, should the Hawks trade Trey Young, should they keep him around? I mean, they're gonna take care of the Wizards in the NBA cup tonight. By the time you looked at your phone halfway through, it was a 30 point game. Yeah, 30 point game in the first quarter of this on CJ McRedlight. Second 40 plus game of the season. And like every one of his baskets was on a bigger defender. That was awesome to watch. He was just letting it fly. 10 of 13 from 3. Wizards were getting busy in the H. Fast break. They were forcing a bunch of turnovers and going the other way. That was pretty weird to see. Just a very, very strange result in that one. I thought for the Wizards to take it, but they were due to have a big time game and the Hawks were a little lackadaisical, I thought on the defensive end, Anthony Black, that was pretty interesting. Six straight double digit games for him. Like you said, a career high 31. I think he got to his career high in the first half.
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Yeah, he did.
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And he had two missed dunks in the first half. Like he could have had a whole bunch more points as well. But they were daring him to shoot threes. Okay, fine, I'll take him.
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Yeah, the corner three. They're like backing up off him. He's like, all right, yeah.
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So kudos to him playing with confidence. The Magic are running and gunning right now and that's why they've looked pretty decent. With Paolo Banchero out, it'll be interesting to see if Paulo can play with the same sort of pace that the Magic have been playing in his absence. Bit of a scuffle there between Wendell Carter Jr. And Andre Drummond. I think it's 100% Drummond's fault. He was just grabbing at Wendell Carter Jr's back. Yeah, just trying to yank on his jersey. And then as soon as Carter like gets mad, hits his hand off the second time, instantly Drummond throws up the dudes.
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Carter Jr had a hilarious reaction to it. Very funny. Looked, rolled his eyes basically at him. And then Suggs, of course comes. Oh yeah, he was in the mix.
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I mean, how. Who all got technicals?
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There was a lot. Four guys I think got technical.
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Walker got one, I think Bane got one because he came in and pushed as well. It was pretty weird that the two guys that started it, Wendell Carter Jr. And Andre Drummond were still out there.
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No, you're cool. Yeah, you can stay.
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You're fine.
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And then Chris Dunn obviously got ejected in the Lakers Clippers game for getting into with Luca and then Jackson Hayes coming in his offense. That was a double technical situation for the Dunn toss, who has been known to get into it. Yes, from time to time with players. You can go see the compilation. There's at least three or four times where Dunn's gotten into it with guys.
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Just one question about Jalen sucks. Who got ejected, but it's not about the ejection. He had his headband on from the beginning of the game yesterday. I don't know if that's his first game because you guys pointed out that he was wearing it around his neck to start games. Literally several possessions until he got comfortable or whatever's going on. And then he puts it on his head like a normal headband. I don't know what happened unless he got told. He could have got.
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Remember that was my working theory.
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Nothing on the neck that the silver.
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Was going to come down and say, you can't wear that around your neck. Do you have any brothers have been choked out by their brothers with a headband?
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You don't want to be a turkey with something loose on your neck. You ain't a gobbler or you ain't a gobbler.
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So good. When they're the magic, go to three and oh. In East B the their group. So they're looking pretty though the pistons are 2 and oh as well. And they have a game tonight. So we got a nice little battle there in the East Group B. Let's show you actually the standing. All right, I'm all on one page because there's a lot more games on tonight. I wanted to highlight a few. We got the Bucks at The Heat tonight, 7:30. Big game in East Group C because you see the Bucks two and oh, now they're going to be without giannis here. Heat 2 and 1. Huge point differential right now. That's a key game. West, go over to that side. Timberwolves taking on the Thunder on espn. That's a juicy game. Then the Suns are in Sacramento. So OKC and Phoenix can set up a winner take all group finale on Friday with wins. But Minnesota very much alive if, if, if, if they can rebound and knock off OKC tonight. So that's a big game. And then finally, West Group C, the Group of Death. The big game tonight is Spurs. Blazers. Blazers can win the group with a win over the spurs tonight, who obviously are without Victor Webanyama. If the spurs win, San Antonio vs. Denver on Friday will determine that group winner. So those are a few I wanted to highlight there. Lots to figure out still, but it's going to come down to the wild card in some of these groups when it comes to point differential.
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Yeah, the Group of Death, everyone is still alive. Literally.
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Technically, yes.
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Yeah. Any, any team. It's also everybody is still Technically alive. And east group C even though The Hornets are 0 and 2.
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Yeah.
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Just because of point differential. And they can win the wild card, I guess.
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Yeah, it's very, very, very unlikely. Yeah, we're starting to see who the teams are going to go through and we already have two of the 18. I do like how they make it look though. Yeah, it looks cool. It looks nice. Good job. By the NBA cup.
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The Lakers believe. They believe they can win the cup. Second might be the first two time cup champions in history. I think they also believe they can win the NBA championship. LeBron is engaged, man. He's having fun out there and it's been cool to see they haven't played great defenses yet. They played the jazz twice with LeBron, then the Clippers last night. But it is interesting to be like what if Andre Aguadala from the warriors was actually the NBA's all time leading scorer whose best skill is passing? Cause that's what LeBron looks like. He's fitting in perfectly as the third guy, but in reality kind of the number two guy to both Luca and and Austin Reeves. They've also turned both Jackson Hayes and Deandre Ayton into awesome players. They're shooting a combined 70% for from the field. Ayton is fifth in dunks in the league. Hayes is tied for seventh in dunks in the league. They have 50 combined dunks in 17 games. You got Jackson Hayes throwing alley. Oops. Doing goggles. This team is completely connected to each other. And you can always tell with LeBron if he has belief in his team. He's the happiest guy on the court. And if he doesn't, he is figuring out ways to get somebody traded. So it'll be interesting to see when they finally play good teams, how do they hold up defensively. But they're a problem on the offensive end.
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Yeah. Does LeBron feel comfortable being just a passer? Essentially he can be an incredible passer off the ball as a number three option in fourth quarters or whatever. If those guys are. Are clicking also. Yeah, just connection throughout the roster. Jackson Hayes came and defended Luka Doncic yesterday and Jen shoved his Slovenian brother. Luka Doncic has. Jackson Hayes is literally playing for Slovenia next summer as a, you know, one of those, an import type of players. So they're bros. Bros up and down the roster.
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All right, well, let's get into some fun here because this is the drop in our final live show. Like I said, we're doing a little NBA Thanksgiving. I've got some Thanksgiving Inspired questions for you guys as we take stock of the league here after. What are we in five or six weeks into the NB season at this point? First one, I want to know, tk, you can get us started. Which player has been the biggest Turkey? Who would you give that honor to or dishonor to?
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This is the easiest question we're going to answer today.
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Okay.
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It's Ja Morant. He's a big old tom turkey out there. Lowest affected field goal percentage in the league. Oh, I found a beautiful page on Basketball Reference yesterday. They've got the leaders top of the league and everything. Yeah, they got the trailers, bottom of the league and everything. Like the worst qualifying players. Oh, it is a haters paradise down in John Morant's name. A lot is bottom 10 in BPM and win shares per 48. Like very important impact stats. Kind of catch all things that you can look at. But even if you're just looking at box score stats, 18 per game, 7.6 assists, that sounds fine. But this is John Morant we're talking about a 25 and 9 kind of player at his best. But he's shooting 36 from the field, 16.7% from the three point line. If it was just bad play on the court, that would be fine. But like Gigi Beno said here in the stream, team jaws got more no dunks thumbnails than games played this year. He's only played in 12 games, so he's not on the court. He's had some locker room drama calling out the coach when he was benched down the stretch or not playing long enough stints. He's had the Klay Thompson drama from earlier this week that we'll get into a little bit later. His net rating when he's on the court is minus 9.1. The Grizzlies haven't been good outside of Ja, but he, they've been better with him off the court. Just a -6.2 net rating for them. So they're killing it when Ja sits. It's just not worth it for all of the drama Ja has been bringing to the table. So I think he was a pretty easy choice for the biggest turkey.
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You agree with Great Turkey? Yeah, Great Turkey. Yeah. I'm. I'm totally curious how the conversations go between other teams front offices and the Grizzlies front office. Like, like how much our team's offering for this turkey for this gentleman who has.
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Are usually expensive, aren't they?
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Yeah, I think they dropped a little bit here in the United States this year, year to year, surprisingly. But anyway. But anyway. Yeah, he's. He's gotta be one of those.
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Yeah, I. I said this a while ago when we were talking about John Morant inevitably feels like being traded. And I have hope that wherever he goes, he's gonna turn back into John Moran of old. Right. He's upset with the situation there, the coaching, maybe the organ, and that he'll turn it around. I don't know. Starting to lose a little confidence in that prediction. And this tweet from Dragonfly Jones, from the great Jenkins and Jones podcast, talking about on the heels of the Klay Thompson John Morant feud, he wrote, quote, I'm just completely out on Ja Morant, and I don't think a change of scenery via a trade is going to fix him. He's just not built to be the type of player you hit your franchise to. I went from thinking he was possible future mvp, and now this dude is on an OJ Mayo trajectory.
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Ooh.
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From Dragonfly Jones. That one. I was like, oh, damn, I hope you're wrong. But I think a lot of people are agreeing more and more with what we've seen. Even when he's out there, Tass, and how poorly he's played. I mean, the numbers just keep dropping in terms of his shot, attempts at the rim and all that. And he's not a good shooter, so he's taking more shots further away. And he never was really a good shooter.
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Yeah, it's. It's easy to buy into that. The O.J. mayo comparison.
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That's tough, though.
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Then you can start to think about when you made your point. I think a lot of it was about the environment he's in. Right. If he goes to the Miami Heat and he is. Somehow he's not the. The guy you hit your team to, but, you know, you as John Moran, you kind of hit yourself to that franchise a little bit more. So. So there's.
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John Morant would not be the first player in NBA history to pout his way out of a situation and then suddenly look like an incredible All Star, All NBA talent again. Like, if that happens and I still have some hope.
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And then when. When he did get in Clay's face. Yeah, the pointing in Clay's face, not so cool. But defending his teammate has started to buy into. Like, he went and spoke for Cam Spencer and said, man, you're the best shooter on the floor. Not as good as that bum from Golden State.
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He could have stopped there.
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He could have.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. He didn't need to point out Clay.
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With Clay.
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Yeah, yeah. And when he played in Gold State, not Dallas. I don't know why he the bum from Golden State. But anyway, there we are.
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All right. He's the biggest turkey. Are there any other minor turkeys?
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Minor turkeys?
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Cornish hens or something?
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Let me give you a turkey.
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Okay.
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Evita Zubots of the Los Angeles Clippers. Okay, I know I can sense you guys not so excited.
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I guess I'm interested.
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I get it. Because that's what a turkey is. It can be just kind of meh. And if it's a. Zubot's good, solid player, but he's only as good as his team is around him. A turkey is only as good as the accompanying other plates. Yeah, it's about everything else. Like, the turkey's fine. It's fine.
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You don't think the turkey's the star of Thanksgiving? Incredibly vita.
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Zubots went from a defense. I mean, listen, we're going to get into turkeys in a sec, but let me just finish on a pizza. Zubotz. I want to talk food because turkey is fine. Turkey is fine. It only comes literally. Okay. I can't help but talk about turkey. It can only come one. It only comes once a year. One day a year, frankly.
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Sometimes Christmas, it does.
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Christmas, it comes back.
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Turkey has a nice run the rest of the year as a sandwich meat. You know, don't sleep on turkey as a sandwich. No, you're right.
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I almost think of them as two different things, though. Deli turkey and then the turkey at a holiday. Yeah, I know. It's the same.
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Yeah, you know. Right, right, right.
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Okay, sorry. Back to Zubots.
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Back to Zubot. Yeah, listen, if you chop them up and you put them in the right type of recipe, the right type of supporting cast, then it's a good turkey. But it's only as good as the accompanying players around him. This team went from third in defense last year to 25th this year. Is that Zubots his fault? I don't think so. I mean, his numbers are super efficient, just like they were last year. He's super good, but the teams around him just ain't all that good. So what happens?
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They have the same team. Besides amazingly taking Norman Powell out and putting John Collins in, you wouldn't think that would have an effect on your defense.
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Yeah.
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Really?
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, they didn't start the season with Chris Dunn on the floor. I think that was a part of them. They made that mistake. They started with Bradley Beal out there and. And so you gotta throw out some of these side dishes. I mean, Bradley Beal. See ya. You're not playing this year. We're not eating yet. You're gone, Unfortunately.
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Derek Jones Jr. Now out too. Who's a solid defense.
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Yeah, he's all defenser. It's just weird because Ubot's. Any team would love to have him as their starting center. The guy is freaking good and he's a good defender, but he's kind of dependent on those around him. So I don't know what's happened with Los Angeles or with Ty Lue if that's. If you can blame it on him. I don't know, really.
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It's.
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It's the chemistry on that team and, you know, turkey. Unless everything's good around him, turkey's just fine.
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Do you have any other minor turkeys?
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I can't believe we already touched on my other minor turkey. It's Victor Solomon.
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It really is.
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He's been completely exposed this year.
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How interesting.
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City Edition courts are way better than NBA cup courts. I know they want to have like a unified look for the cup courts, but every single City edition court looks better than every single cup court. And now I'm finding out that they're slippery.
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Victor had nothing to do with the City Edition cup courts or City edition courts.
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You can tell because they look good.
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Yeah. Oh, damn.
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You don't like the cup courts? Come on.
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No, I mean, you think I have. I have ripped Victor Solomon more than anyone.
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He's got nothing in the media. Yeah, he's the Bradley Beal of court designers. Throw him out. We're not eating him this year.
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Another obvious turkey would have been Nico Harrison. He's gone now. That turkey has been chucked out. Being let go by the Dallas Mavericks. But all right, we got the list there.
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Let's keep it going. A lot of other questions here. A little more positive. Which player is the green beans? What does that mean to us? It means underrated because we were trying to determine what's the most underrated Thanksgiving dish. A lot of opinions on this. We ultimately as a group decided green beans. I do think that's solid. They're underrated. But when they're done well and they're pretty simple, they're nice accompaniment on your plate for your turkeys and your other things. Anyway, underrated Player Task get us started.
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The Sixers Quentin Grimes is underrated. This guy's had a game winner. This guy comes off the bench, plays the fourth most minutes on the Philadelphia 76ers. It's important on that Old team. He's had the most efficient season since his Knicks days. Right now, the guy is balling and he gets overlooked. There's no doubt he is a green bean. The Mavs traded away Luka Doncic two days after they traded away Quentin Grimes. So no one talks about Quentin Grimes, but they traded Quentin Grimes for Caleb Martin. Obviously, Dallas would love to have this guy. He's going to go get paid a ton this coming off season. And considering that Paul George. I know we are. We always know that Paul George may or may not play, but now he's got an ankle injury. He's sitting out with an ankle injury last night when they got destroyed. So he's important. Queen Grimes. Very important and underrated.
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Okay. He's the green beans.
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He's my beans. He's my bean.
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Who you got, Trey?
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I got Jalen Brown. I did want to go for a guy on a green team, and he's on the greenest of teams. But I think, like you said yesterday, Skis, we barely talk about this guy. He's averaging 28 a game.
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Yeah.
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Career high. For sure. A career high. And true shooting percentage. He's taken more free throws. He's taken less threes. This is his best playmaking season for sure, functioning as the number one offensive option for a Celtics team that's actually top five in offense. Like, they play super slow. I think they're 30th in pace right now, which is kind of a curve ball. I thought they would just be a running gun team, but they're playing through Jalen Brown. He's playing pretty well. I think if Derrick White were to be shooting better, Brown's numbers would be even better. So Jaylen Brown was in a weird spot because he's got the gigantic contract we know Jayson Tatum is the main guy coming into this year. With Tatum out, it was like, what are the Celtics really going to be? They're just right in the middle of the pack in the Eastern Conference. But he's played really, really well. And I. I don't know. I think he's probably a fringe all star candidate right now. He's got the track record that maybe that kind of gets him over the top. But for a guy that's almost at 30 a game, never comes up. No, this show.
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Yeah, no, no. He is overlooked for sure. And it's so interesting in the east with teams over performing like the Bulls, the Heat, the Raptors, the Hawks, to call them what you want. The Celtics are there, number 10, and Milwaukee right now is in 11th so there's going to be a disappointed team. I know it's a lot of those don't have extremely high expectations, the ones that I just mentioned, but they're starting to play really well. So the Celtics, just over.500. The numbers say that they could be far better. Their point differential is way better than a 10th place team at plus 4.6.
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I've got three green beans for you. Sort of three different levels. A budding superstar, a really key role player, and then a guy coming off the bench in a smaller role.
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Triple bean.
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Yeah, I'll start with the budding superstar because I want a trivia question you guys here. I want to see if you got the answer. Two players in the NBA are currently averaging at least 20 points. Nine boards, seven board. Excuse me, 20 points, nine board, seven assists and 1.5 steals per game. One is probably the greatest player in the world in Nikola Jokic. Can you name the other one?
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The steals makes me a little curious because I was thinking maybe Giddy.
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Giddy would be there without steals. Yeah. And there would be another guy without steals, too. But this guy makes it the answer. Jalen Johnson. J. John Jalen Johnson, man. Guy is unreal. We talked a little bit about him yesterday where it's like, oh, yeah, okay, he's in the All Star conversation. Is this guy going to turn into an all NBA player? He's only 23. He is a terror in the open floor as a finisher and a facilitator. So he's leveled up here. And keep your eyes on the Hawks. When Trey Young does come back, what's going to happen here? Because is it just going to go back into the control of Trey Young in terms of running the point? Will the defense fall back and fall off again with Trey Young out there? Which it's been pretty good without him. Throw it. Last night's game.
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That was bad.
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And what will the Hawks do? Will they trade Trey Young and does anybody want him? And what type of package? Because it looks like Jalen Johnson is the one you're like, oh, yeah, maybe that's the guy that we're comfortable moving forward with as sort of our.
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Our.
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Our alpha dog, so to speak. So I got Jalen Johnson, though. He's getting a lot more buzz. So that's why he's the guy on the superstar level or getting there. Josh Hart. I bring him up because we know he's good. He's awesome. He's always underrated. Changes games with his rebounding, changes games with his hustle, plays smart Plays at that. He started all 77 games last season and put up some of the best numbers of his career. In comes Mike Brown in place of Tibbs, and he's asked to come off the bench. And he has almost in all of the games. But he remains one of the Knicks, like just emotional leaders and selfless players and he does everything. And I just think he's one of those guys in this league. You're taking him on your team, especially if you're lining up some sort of pickup run, because he just does all the. The little important things that help you win games. So Josh Hart just want to show him some love.
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D
He was my sixth man of the year pick. Probably not in the conversation at this point, but he still is key to the Knicks and I just don't really know what to make of them as a team right now. When OG went down, their defense really fell off a cliff. They're not a very good defensive team to begin with. He's a key player for them as well. But yeah, hard is a stat sheet stuffer.
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Yeah, he could be stuffing it. Could. Can you put green beans inside the turkey? Who knows? The final one for me is. And I. We can just move on because I've talked about them a lot here over the last couple weeks to the point where people are getting upset with us. Tas. Too much Raptors talk. I've proclaimed my love for Raptors backup point guard Jamal Shed. I'm a shed head. I believe you're a shed head. More and more Shed heads by the day. Guy's good and it's nice to see him getting some more attention here. Coming to Mamu and Shed and the Raptors bench and how much of an impact they're having on win.
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Yeah, like, similar to Josh Hart. He's an emotional leader. Yes, no doubt.
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Which is really crazy for him because he's like young and to come right in and sort of take control, so to speak, of the locker room or be a leader on the floor, that's pretty impressive. It's one thing to be a vet 30 year old like Josh Hart, but to do it at Shed's age is amazing. All right, next question. Which player is cranberry sauce? We did this last year. This is how we're defining it. TK Reliable. Surprisingly still around squarely meeting expectations. That's cranberry sauce to us in the NBA.
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Yeah.
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Who you got?
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Drew Holiday.
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Oh, good one.
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He's a. He's a artisanal cranberry sauce. I think the Blazers brought him in for some veteranship. He had a down season for the Celtics last year. Couldn't really figure out where he fit in, it seemed like. Which was weird because, you know, he'd been there for a little bit. Was pretty brutal in the playoffs. I remember just being very frantic during their playoff series loss. And he's an up and down playoff performer to begin with, but he's kind of back to Milwaukee. Drew for the Trailblazers this year. 17 points, 8 assists per game. He is bringing the defensive intensity on one side. Him and Abdi are kind of like take turns being the creator for this team. Not a great offensive team, but they'd be even worse, I believe if Jrue holiday wasn't there. So definitely a bounce back season for him and kind of exactly what the trailblazers were hoping to get in a vet point guard. Been very key for them with Scoot Henderson going down to have somebody who can handle the ball outside of Abdia.
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Love that pick. I had him on my short list.
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Nice. Very reliable. It was surprising to see him in the playoffs a little bit last year. It seemed like was he coming to his end, but he's back to himself. He's back.
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C
Who do you have?
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Well, an old cranberry. We've done this a few times and I'm surprised looking back at my notes. This is the third time Harrison Barnes gets included. I know.
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C
Cranberry sauce.
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Yeah. He cannot now included three of the last four years planned. Harrison.
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C
Sorry.
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A
How old do you think Harrison Bartz is?
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Well, he's not as old as you think. He's like 33.
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Yeah, he's still 32.
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C
32.
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You know, he came in at 2012, so he came in at forever man. Or maybe. Maybe. Yeah. I'm so bad with ages at times. No, he is. He's still 30. He's 33. My bad. It doesn't matter. Yeah, same. Same family.
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C
36 or 37.
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Because he came in at 2012 and he just. He ascended it in terms of how much he was talked about because he was with the Golden State warriors and their run. So he's still there. He's having a super efficient season. He's still performing. He still can be relied on to get you a bucket at times. Obviously it's not all the time, but you need a bucket. This guy will be there for you. Shooting 45% from three and occasionally, you know, put it on the floor and make a shot in the mid range. So, Harry, it could be the Wemby effect just being around Harrison Barnes just Being around Victor Wembanyama. But either way, he had some big.
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C
Games without Wembanyama though.
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That's true, that's true. He stepped up.
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He beat a team with a hook shot that was crazy, like a running, swooping hook.
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C
This is the third straight year you've.
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Had no three of four.
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C
Oh, three of four.
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A
I don't know what happened in 2023. W oh, did we go cranberry free in 2023?
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We switched it up maybe. I love those picks. Drew Holiday, Harrison Barnes. I'll give the cranberry sauce label to James Harden, who is still like doing his best to carry the Clippers. And it's not resulting in a lot of wins, but it's not James Harden's fault. Guy's 36 years old. He ranks ninth in minutes per game, top 10 at this point after all the mileage on his likes. His usage percentage is the highest it's been since his last year with Houston and he's had a lot of good games. And the games again, they've lost a lot of games. His four really bad performances this year, they all resulted in Clippers losses. Opening night versus the Jazz, he was bad. He had a 4 for 15 performance versus the Suns after he missed the game prior. They lost 7 of 25 shooting and a 2 point loss to the Sixers. And then over the weekend versus Cleveland, he couldn't hit a three to save his life over eight from deep. They lost that one. I crap on the Clippers all the time, but it ain't because of James Harden. It really is not. You know, where's Kawhi right now? Come on. I know he's back here but he has not looked all that amazing. Kawhi looks checked out on the defensive end too. Guy was all defense like a lock.
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D
Yes, he slowed down.
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C
He slowed anyway, hard and cranberry sauce.
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To me he quite now thinking of going back to Vita Zubots and what the heck has happened to that defense. Kawhi last year talked about Chris Dunton as being the guy and maybe that's a part of it, I don't know. I mean Kristen now inserted into the starting line of trying to get something. You know, the, the Clippers are a little like the Mavs. Like let's find something, let's do something. So they're trying. We'll see if Chris Duncan saved the day.
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D
I think James Harden is going to have a Vince Carter like career appraisal where during his prime James Harden was reviled. People hated this guy the way he Played with the Rockets the way he would foul bait and, you know, just throw his arms into a guy and try and maybe finish, but really just trying to get to the free throw line. Step back after step back. It's similar to when Vince, you know, John Moranted his way out of Toronto. They said, you're not giving us quite enough. But as his career progressed, he became a great role player. It's different with Harden, but like, he got Joel Embiid an MVP by setting them up for jumper after jumper in the mid range. He was key to the Nets team that had a chance to perhaps win at least an Eastern Conference until he went down with a hamstring injury. They ended up losing to the Bucks. He got the Clippers to the playoffs last year as a table setter. Kawhi Leonard has been inconsistent this year and Harden is the guy carrying the team. And the NBA absolutely needs James Harden to dominate this year so that OKC doesn't get yet another lottery pick.
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C
Yes, it's true.
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D
We need Harden to go for 30 a game every single night to have a chance. Otherwise the dynasty is officially on. Might already be, but I think people are kind of taking to Harden more so now than when he was one of the three best players in the league. They're like, man, this guy just loves playing basketball.
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Yeah, he's come around in that effect and he is super reliable in that he plays all the freaking time.
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C
Yeah.
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Still is an old man. Like, he played 79 games last year. The difference between Vince and. And Harden is Vince was okay being like the seventh option, you know, on a team. We'll see what Harden if he can.
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C
Take down at the end of his career.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah.
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C
Will Harden actually ever adopt that? Yeah. Super sub or like.
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Yeah, I am the system. Can he turn. Can he turn into something? You know, it's more supporting. We'll see.
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D
You think he could win another six? Man of the year.
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A
Oh, cool.
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C
Yeah, he's ready one early. That'd be cool.
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D
That would be amazing.
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C
Yeah. Yes. I think he could. I mean, if he got to the right team. Right situation. Yeah.
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A
Come off the bench for the first time in forever. Yeah.
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C
All right, a couple more questions here, Tas. We'll start with you. Which player is Brussels Sprouts polarizing this player occasionally stinky, but also kind of good, which, I mean, I love Brussels Sprouts done. Right. Especially at Thanksgiving. So. Yeah. Polarizing player. Sort of good, sort of bad. Who are you going to?
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I'm going Kyle Kuzma with the Milwaukee Bucks. I think his shot selection has changed in that he doesn't have to do the hey, I'm the guy. I'm shooting from the mid range because you look at it, he's way more comfortable waiting till the balls come to him and he's driving to the hoop. That ISO mid range is gone. He's having the most efficient season of his career. Number of mid range shots down, shots at the rim up. Number of threes are down because as you describe Brussels sprouts, his three point shooting is stinky. But that's okay. He's shooting 58% on twos. So overall he's way more efficient. I think he looks like a different Kakuzma. He looks more like the Los Angeles Kuzma, where he was just that defensive guy. Here you can go get the best player on the other end and you can just be an accompanying offensive player. Slash, cut, but do your thing. Kuzma is that guy again. And so it's a weird thing going out with Milwaukee Bucks now that they're 8 and 10. Giannis is questionable today. He's going to come back, but I think the guys are playing well around him. But they desperately need Giannis to be that type of guy. But Kuzma is being smarter about it.
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C
Well, it's funny you went with Kuzma. I took another Bucs player. I took Miles Turner. I find him very polarizing at this point of his career. Every time I watch Miles Turner, I think he looks so washed out there. But then I look at the stats and some of his game logs and it's like, it's not brutal. He's shooting 41% from deep. Decent amount of attempts too. But I think he's just lost a step. He never was a great rebounder for his size. You know, the blocks have gone down too. Like, I sometimes think he's still good. I think he has an impact on winning games. And then sometimes I just think he looks, I don't know, ancient to me, the way he moves. And again, he was never light footed or anything like that, but he's like just this lumbering, like, takes him a while to get going. So I'll go Miles Turner.
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And Kuzma, I thought about it too, because Turner is just shooting threes. He's shooting the most threes of his career, shooting fewer twos because that's what they need from him. They need Kuzma to be a slasher. Don't shoot threes, man. They need Turner to shoot threes. But he doesn't have a post game or inside game anymore. It's gone. So, yeah, sometimes it's, ew, gross. It's a Brussels sprout. But sometimes it's. It works out.
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D
What about you, TK Zach Levine. Dude's efficient from the field. He's a plus finisher. He's a plus three point shooter. Never turns the ball over because he never passes. And his teams just always lose when he plays. The Kings are minus 20 points per 100 possessions when he's on the court. In the 264 minutes he'd been off the court there. Plus 5.9 points per 100 possessions. Sticking with the Bucs, I see they're interested in Zach Levine.
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A
Oh, boy. Oh, good.
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D
I'm here to tell you he could help. They need another scorer. But I'm just telling if you put him on the Bucs, they're not going to win. With Zach Levine. I don't get it. Like, he's a good offensive player. That's all he does. All he can do is score. He's not really going to set anybody up. No, I think he just takes away on the defensive end because he doesn't rebound. I don't think he's, like, a bad defender, but, like, he just does nothing out there.
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C
Yeah, I had to check. Did he make the playoffs at all? And I guess he did with the Bulls that one time when they got swept. No. Yeah, they did. Sorry. I'm sorry. How dare you say he's played four playoff games? That's it.
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A
They won one. But he wasn't a. Well, they got beat.
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Four.
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One. Right. But he played four games. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus.
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C
Crazy. He's had a long career, man. That guy came when he was 19. He's 30 now.
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D
He's got another eight years easily.
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C
Hopefully, he gets more playoff chances.
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D
I don't think it's going to happen in Sacramento.
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C
No, I don't think so, either. All right. Zach Levine's good pick. All right, final one here, TK Start us off. Besides your own team. So Bulls in your case, Raptors in ours. Which team are you most thankful for this holiday season?
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D
Houston Rockets. For me, as a longtime rebound appreciator, it's nice to see somebody else who's completely invested and just hitting the glass. That's how the Rockets are winning and how they're having a good offense. They're like, yeah, maybe we can make the shot, but if we don't, we got a great chance of getting it back. It just shows there's different ways to be an effective offense. The Nuggets are kind of similar, right? They're like we're a two point offense based around Nikola Jokic, who's going to make all the shots. But I got heart hands for Sengun Adams, Amen Thompson. Kevin Durant has kind of just become a guard at this point in his career, but he's given a great effort on the defensive end. Of course, Reed Shepherd's looking like Kyle Macy out there. Of course, yes, just flying around like Macy used to, right alongside Walter Davis and Alvin Adams. But I like what the Rockets are bringing to the table. They're a different sort of team. They're a tough team and it's nice to have a third contender, I think, because you definitely got OKC far ahead of everybody right now. The Nuggets are right there, especially having a guy like Jokic who gives them a shot in any sort of playoff series. But I do think the Rockets have to be considered at least a contender on par with the Nuggets. You factor in the chance that they still have moves they could make, like they could still improve if they wanted to going forward this season. It's been interesting because once Fred Van Vliet went down with an injury, they were written off and I just don't think they wrote back.
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A
Yeah, the Rockets are fun. I I still take the Nuggets over them without their guard action, even though Reed is Kyle Macy. But they have been very impressive. No doubt they're fun to watch. To me, the Phoenix Suns have been super impressive, so I'm most thankful for them being that as NBA pundits, all of us said, oh come on, Phoenix is not exciting, it's not fun, they're not going to be good. And then just a few changes change the entire makeup of that team. They got some capable bigs, obviously they would just play hard. They've got an attitude change and that's without Jalen Green playing most of their game. So as an NBA pundit, to see a team being able to just simply change the Jordan effect. People can change teams.
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C
Be a piece of shit.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did. They did. They're way worse last year and even if they end up dropping in the standings, they're still going to be way more impressive. Even if they're sub.500 because right now they're way over.511 7. But if they are sub.500, they're much more interesting. Capable to watch, capable of playing hard because there could be some more injuries that happen there. Mark Williams does get Injured a lot that could happen. But Jordan odd has this team playing.
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C
Just to fact check you ever so slightly.
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A
Yeah.
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C
One pundit believed in. The sun's over this year.
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A
Did you?
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C
Me 31 and a half. I took the over. I was just like pretty low.
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D
Yeah, that's very low.
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C
Very low. But yeah, you're right, it's completely different. At least it's vibes around that team. It's. There is something refreshing to them. And Dylan Brooks has been amazing.
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A
He has been. He can change, man. He can change.
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D
He's a Brussels sprout.
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C
Yeah.
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D
Quite polarizing. But I'm eating them. Put it on a quote board.
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C
I am thankful for the Oklahoma City Thunder. They've won 94% of their games right now. Their net rating is 16.7. If they kept that up all season, that would be the best all time. They don't even have their second best player, an all NBA wing in Jalen Williams. So they're only in theory going to get better. But the reason I'm thankful for them is, and you sort of alluded to it, tk we need a dynasty, baby. We need the thought of a dynasty. I think it makes the NBA sort of exciting. Yes. We've had seven different champions in seven years. Not a repeat champion since 2018. People have wondered, has that helped the decline in TV ratings? Maybe. Maybe. A lot of people say, hey, the new CBA ruined this. Right? You can't keep these dynasties together. The continuity, it gets too expensive. You got to break them up. But we have one here possibly in okc and I think that's very exciting. Them looking like a juggernaut. So thankful for them because now we get to go, man, who the hell is going to beat that team? And then you said, oh, what do they get? The Clippers top three pick. Come on.
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D
What if they literally hit the lottery and get the number one pick?
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Yeah.
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C
Like, yeah, in this draft it sounds like top five you're getting gold. Or top six, maybe you're getting gold. It's crazy. And just a fun stat about Shay Gildos Alexander, our reigning MVP. He's played in all 18 of OKC's games so far. He scored at least 30 points in 15 of them. He's only needed to play in 7 4th quarters all season because they're just crushing teams so he doesn't have to play the final 12 minutes and still gets to his 30, 31, 32, 33, whatever it is on any given night. Most nights. Pretty good.
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Very good. It's like Steph back When he was mvp, didn't need to play in fourth quarters. But, but, but, but she puts up more points than those Steph years, in all honesty. So. Yeah. And it is weird when you say the best net rating team, best net differential team of all time, because the way they started, they had two games that they went to overtime to to start the season.
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C
They're going to do it differently this year. They're just going to win close games this year.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Nearly as many clutch minutes in the first week of the season. I was like, oh, they better start blowing some of these teams out. And then they haven't been close ever since. Shay is at 32 points a game in 33 minutes.
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C
Oh, my God.
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D
That's almost like Wilt Chamberlain statistics there. And Chet looks awesome. Like Chet should be an all star this season. Probably the front runner for defensive player of the year. I would have to imagine with how good the Thunder are and Wemby being down with injury, they look unbeatable right now. There's something about the 5 dash 6 season bull. 72 wins, 95, 96 warriors, 73 wins, 15, 16. Huh? Thunder going for 74. 25, 26 every decade there.
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C
I like that. That's something to watch. You may have just found yourself a short, my man. Oh, that's good. All right. All right. So those are our Thanksgiving, you know, NBA Thanksgiving questions. Let's hear from you guys. What's going on?
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D
FanDuel is added odds here, of course. They have the 70 plus regular season wins. That's down to plus 178 right now.
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A
Wow.
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D
I mean, they should be challenging for 70. It just depends on if they're gonna want it.
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C
Yeah.
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D
At the end. Or if they're just like, let's see what Brooks Barnheiser can do.
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C
They still might win.
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D
Yeah, exactly. Let's see what Usman Jang, Brooks Barnheiser frontline looks like. And they'll win by only eight points. But they've added odds for 74 plus regular season wins, which we've seen. They also have 75 and 76 on there. Now they're at a plus 2200 for 76 regular season.
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C
Look, we're getting close to nearly a quarter of the season, man. And they have one loss. I mean, again, I'm excited for tonight's game. Like Minnesota, if they care about the cup, they got to get that one. I think they could. It could beat them. It's one game. Then again, OKC could beat them by 30 and no one would blink.
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A
But Jalen Williams has To come back. That is a huge, huge bonus for them.
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C
Oh, my God. Yeah. And they're gonna have the thing like he's gonna come back and they're not gonna have to. Like, not that they would anyway because this does not seem to be their organization's MO or any of their star players MO like, there's no worry. Like, we gotta get Jalen Williams out there for 65 games. Like, it's already not happening. He's not qualifying. Like not hitting the extra mark, which actually is. Works out in their benefit. Save them money. Right. Him not making an all NBA selection or winning any one of the major awards. So, like they don't have to. They can slow play. It is my point. And work him into game shape and it'll all be about the playoffs. Yeah. The embarrassment of riches, man. They've done. They've done well.
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D
Yes, they've done well. It's November 26th today.
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C
Yeah.
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D
What in your mind would have to happen for the Thunder to not win the championship? Shay being out, I think.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Championship. I still believe in the Nuggets giving them a run in a playoff series.
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D
They went to seven games last year.
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A
Yeah. You never know. You never know. This is a special Nuggets team. Obviously Thunder can be the favorite, but the Nuggets are going to be freaking good.
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C
Well, they're going to have home court advantage, I think.
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D
Yes, they are.
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C
Okay.
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A
Yes, they are.
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C
Very likely.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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C
A lot of season still to go. Okay, let's hear your answers for all those questions. Teams you're thankful for. Which players are brussels sprouts and cranberry sauce and turkeys and all that good fun. Lots more still to come, but let's take a quick break to hear from from our sponsors. Peloton is shaping the future of fitness with the brand new Peloton Cross training Tread plus. Powered by Peloton iq, the new Peloton Cross training Tread plus is Peloton's most elevated equipment with real time guidance and endless ways to move alone or with your favorite instructors. It's cross training reimagined with features designed to make your workout more personal. I'm guessing a lot of people are trying to get a workout in here, maybe earlier this week or today. Even as we get close to Thanksgiving, as people just sit back, undo their belt buckle, stuff their faces and watch football and sports for the next couple days, Peloton IQ plans your workouts, tracks your progress, corrects your form, and offers insights and guidance that help you unlock new breakthroughs. The new Swivel screen offers endless ways to train and level up. You can go from running on the tread blast to yoga off of it with one smooth spin. Peloton is built for breakthroughs. Let yourself run, lift, sculpt, push and go explore the new peloton cross training.
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C
I asked this question yesterday and I just checked it because you reminded me saying no games on Turkey Day. I think the last time the NBA played on Thanksgiving Day was 2010. The Hawks defeated the Wizards and the Clippers defeated the Kings. Okay. Okay. That's what the Internet is telling me. So it's been a very long time here. Fifteen years since we've had a game on Thanksgiving. That's for football.
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A
Now that sounds like football. Sort of like was it in Atlanta? Was that game here in the turkey game here?
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C
I'm not sure. This is interesting. The NBA Players association negotiated that they get the day off in the 2011 CBA. So that's why they're like, no, we're not working Turkey Day. We already play on Christmas. You know, we got 10 teams going on Christmas.
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A
Us fair.
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C
Give it a. Give us this holiday off. Yeah, that's right.
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A
That's true.
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C
Okay, let's get to worst of the.
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A
Week, ladies and gentlemen.
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C
The worst of the week.
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A
We've got three nominees. It's about fighting generally. All of them are generally about fighting. But let's get to the the first nominee. John Morant versus Clay Thomas. Clay Thomas. Clay Thompson. Now, it wasn't a fight, but they got into a, a bit of a hey, hey, you're a bum type thing. We talked about it on fest, as you called it. Yeah, yeah. Trey brought it up on Monday. It says become a bum fest because way back when Clay in 2022 called John Morant a bum And John Morant ain't letting that go. He said, you're the bum now because he missed a shot. I guess because my man Cam Spencer was hitting shots. I'm not going to go into every single detail about the point fest and what Clay said post game in the press conference, but what do you guys think after a few days? Have you changed anything? Any. Any. Any thoughts about Clay v. Morant?
- [51:50]
C
Not really. Yeah, like, Trey went over it. Well, I think most people cited if you had to pick a side in this beef. I think a lot of people were going with Clay because, like, the one guy's not playing and Clay's like, that was sort of his point. He's like, you were supposed to be the face of this league. And you're like, you never play and you've been suspended and calling out your team like, come on, man. Like, you can be better than this. It was like disappointed dad vibes from Clay along with the trash talk. I love trash talk. I love a rivalry. This is good. But you want both guys sort of playing.
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D
Yeah.
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C
For it to actually count or be something.
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A
So.
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C
Yeah.
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D
And I don't totally buy the he's sticking up for his teammate defense. He's 100 needling Clay Thompson. And I think if it was Max Christie who missed the three from the top of the key jaw says nothing.
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C
Right, right, right, right.
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D
It was Clay because they have a beef, which is why he brought up Golden State, which was years ago, which is also when John Moran was good.
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A
He did want a needle. I will. I don't know why I want to support John Rant, but him jumping into the post game press conference when Cam Spencer is saying, yeah, this is like he's just being interviewed. And Cam Spencer sees Morant come up and can you see Cam Spencer smiling? Oh, there's my guy. So there's. That's good for the team. I think that's the positive. He obviously didn't need to say, way better than that guy in Golden State. You're way better than that. Couldn't even name him. Yeah. And then the point and the pointing directly in Clay's face. Too far. Yelling from the bench. Okay. It's a little meh. He's not playing. But then the getting right into Clay's face. Too much, too far. But we talked about it on Monday, so we did a great job. If you want to listen to it again, go on back.
- [53:30]
C
Go back and download video.
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A
Second fight. Second nominee. It's Kenyon Martin. Oh, Kenyon Martin. Number one pick way back when Called out Draymond Green, basically saying, in all words, I was a better basketball player. I'm a better basketball player, and there's way more players that are better than you. He named 200 power forwards better than Draymond Green. I'll name you a few of them. Drew Gooden, Tim Thomas, Otis Thorpe, John Howard, David Lee, who, ironically, is the guy that Draymond Green took the spot from in Golden State. Then they won all the championships. Nene, Popeye Jones, Reggie Evans. He basically said that he wouldn't be able to play in Kenyon Martin's era. And it was about again when he further doubled down on the Gilbert arena show. He basically said, this isn't about the championships. Cut off all the championships. Who's a better basketball player, who can score more? And then the other guys, Rashad McCants, Nick Young, defended Draymond, said, you can't just cut off championships, man. That's part of the game.
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C
Sort of the point.
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A
Yeah, that's sort of the point. Obviously, Draymond Green, an incredible defender. Anyway, Draymond Green went on his podcast and he said some stuff. Stuff defending himself.
- [54:43]
C
Kenyan Martin started this, if I'm not mistaken.
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A
If I'm not mistaken.
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D
I think so, too.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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C
That's weird, right?
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D
A little bit, yeah.
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A
Weird, yeah. What instigated? That's what I mean.
- [54:55]
C
Why was Kenyan Martin inspired to give us a list of 200 better power forwards?
- [55:00]
A
Yeah.
- [55:00]
C
Why?
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A
I mean, Draymond may have said something that we missed.
- [55:04]
C
So many.
- [55:04]
D
True. I don't listen to the full podcast.
- [55:07]
A
Right. With so many players on podcasts, we do miss some things. In terms of the media world, he could have. I didn't go deep, but it felt like Kenyon went to. He did a video. I mean, it's ISO video.
- [55:19]
D
Talking to the camera, 26 minutes live. Just him just dissing. You're not.
- [55:24]
C
You're not kidding. He listed 200 players?
- [55:27]
A
Yeah.
- [55:27]
D
No, he said, I can name 200 players, and then he named literally 44.
- [55:31]
C
Okay.
- [55:32]
D
Power forwards.
- [55:33]
C
Okay.
- [55:33]
D
Which is nice. Like, I copied and pasted it just so I could have a nice list of power for.
- [55:38]
C
Did Loy Vaught make the list?
- [55:40]
A
No. There's good ones, right? They're super good ones.
- [55:42]
D
There's great ones on here. I'm not seeing Lloyd Vaughn on here. Yeah.
- [55:46]
C
90S power forwards.
- [55:47]
A
Yeah. There's. There's jerk. Obviously, Giannis is on there. Who? Other former legends Reggie Miller and Shaq were on Shaq's podcast. I guess they're debating. Is Giannis a Power forward. Yeah, that whole thing. That's what we got.
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D
How you do.
- [56:03]
A
That's what we got to do. We gotta. We gotta just rename positions us. We. We should just put players into. I know it's like guards, wings, bigs.
- [56:11]
C
Now, but I mean, it's barely even that anymore.
- [56:16]
A
Just all five compare.
- [56:17]
C
We're just. Now we're just picking who's the best, which is totally fine.
- [56:21]
A
Yeah. But we need to rename positions some. We need to. We need new names for them. What's a power for? Nothing. There's nothing now. What is it?
- [56:29]
D
It's true. There's not very many traditional power forwards.
- [56:32]
A
Yeah. So it needs to change.
- [56:33]
C
There's no Arman Gilliams in sight.
- [56:37]
D
I did like that. He just threw some really bad guys at the end.
- [56:41]
C
Like Popeye Jones.
- [56:42]
D
He's like, yeah. For shits and giggles. Because I like what they did for their team. Great screen setters. This is a funny beef. Draymond Green's better than Kenyon Martin, but I think Kenya Martin would probably win one on one.
- [56:57]
C
Okay. I don't know.
- [56:58]
A
I don't know.
- [57:00]
D
Set it up. I'm sure they'll play in the summer or something like that. When you said we should do it, I thought you were going to say we should come up with a list of 200 podcasters that are better than Podcaster X. I'm not throwing a name out.
- [57:13]
C
Oh, come on, man. Get those clicks.
- [57:15]
D
Nate Duncan.
- [57:19]
C
200 podcasters.
- [57:21]
A
Better.
- [57:21]
C
You gotta go, like, bigger name to get the. The eyeballs.
- [57:24]
A
Okay.
- [57:24]
C
Like, you go. We gotta, like, low or something like that. We have to. These are 200 better NBA podcasters than Zach Lowe. Boom. That's 100,000 likes right there immediately.
- [57:35]
D
All right, well, then Nate Duncan's on the list.
- [57:38]
C
He's in. Is it?
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A
Okay, last nominee. It isn't a fight, but I had to point this out. The Delta center, where the Utah Jazz play, has banned signs from all Utah Jazz games. You can't bring in a sign anymore. Can't be passionate about your team and put it on a sign. You just literally can't. That's it. That's all I have to say about that.
- [58:05]
C
The rule is supposed to create an atmosphere that makes the games more enjoyable for everyone. So were people complaining about maybe obstruction?
- [58:16]
D
That's what I was figuring.
- [58:17]
C
Right.
- [58:17]
D
Sight lines.
- [58:18]
C
It's like a WWF event from in the 90s. Late 90s. Remember those crowds?
- [58:24]
D
Oh, yeah.
- [58:24]
C
That's all signs. It was literally all signs.
- [58:26]
A
Yeah.
- [58:27]
C
So that's what they're saying, but part.
- [58:29]
A
Of it for sure. Yeah. I don't know if what was written on the signs was a problem.
- [58:33]
C
Well, that's always been a. A thing that they can take. Conflict, confiscate your sign if there's something it shouldn't say.
- [58:39]
A
Yeah, you see it, you can take it. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. I guess it's blocking some people's sight lines, but.
- [58:45]
C
Well, it's not like the person is holding the sign for the entire game.
- [58:48]
A
No, I think it's. It's linked and then the person behind can say, hey, take that down. Maybe they don't want to do that. But you know, it's weird. Quite all right. Just start. It's a conversation starter.
- [58:59]
C
Like I'm looking at a photo of a young girl. I don't know what year this is from holding a sign that says, once a Jazz fan, always a Jazz. Get that out of here now. It's fun to think of like 60 year old man behind this girl. Sit down. Stupid sign. Put it away. Yes.
- [59:15]
D
Stupid sign.
- [59:16]
C
She's wearing a number 40 jazz jersey. Who the hell's that? A Jeremy Evans.
- [59:21]
A
I can't wait.
- [59:23]
D
He may have been number 40.
- [59:25]
C
I don't know why that sticks in my head. I'm looking that up. Sorry. Keep going.
- [59:28]
D
What about. What about this sign?
- [59:31]
C
Jeremy Evans. There you go. That's a real fan right there.
- [59:34]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [59:34]
D
Get that sign.
- [59:35]
C
You shut up, old man. Three rows back, they have a lot of promos.
- [59:39]
D
Like you go to a table, they got some signs out there, some plain branded signs. Maybe it says BMO on it.
- [59:47]
A
Yeah.
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D
You write a sign.
- [59:49]
C
Oh, yeah.
- [59:50]
D
Like in arena signs.
- [59:51]
C
The bolt. I feel like do that for sure.
- [59:54]
D
A lot of different teams do.
- [59:56]
C
Yeah.
- [59:56]
A
What's with the Jazz?
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D
They're saying no way.
- [59:59]
C
Well, we had a lot of no dunks fans or maybe starters days too. Like, because we were saying, hey, you take a sign to a game, you know, we see it, you get a photo, we're putting it on the show. And we would get a lot of people saying, like, I tried to take a sign and they took it away. So, like, this has been a thing in other arenas. So I don't know why Utah's finally coming around on it.
- [60:18]
D
Let him sign.
- [60:20]
C
Let the boys and girls. Okay, I'm with you all done. The week nominee.
- [60:25]
A
All right, let us know your pick. Is it Clay versus Jaw? Probably going to be that. Is it Kenyon versus Draymond Green? Where's the fence? Can't bring in their own side anymore.
- [60:37]
C
More of the Jazz, I guess.
- [60:38]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [60:39]
C
The Delta Center.
- [60:40]
A
The fans lose out, unfortunately.
- [60:43]
C
Let's hear your votes. Let us know your worst of the week pick there from Tess's nominees. Okay. Fantasy line of the night, presented by Peloton. Sincere apologies to CJ McCollum. What a game. 46 points, 10 threes. Sorry, CJ. Luka Doncic fell one rebound shy of a triple double. And he scored a lot too. 43 points. He had 13 assists, nine rebounds. In the Lakers cup win over the Clippers, the donk went 14:28 from the floor, 7 to 12 from deep, 8 of 11 at the line. He had one steal and one block in 38 minutes of action. So, Luka Doncic, your wobbly of the night, presented by Peloton. I'm sorry, cj. I went back and forth, back and forth. CJ like had like. I don't know, like the blocks and assists weren't super high. They're like no way. 4 and 5 or something like that. They're fine. But I went, Luca, you can get angry with me. It's okay. He's gonna get a lot of these.
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D
I do believe.
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C
I know. That's why I really felt like I should have went cj. But hey, Luca gets it.
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A
How many times did he slip? I want to know the number of slips.
- [61:56]
C
Yeah, we gotta go check the tape. How many times did he slip on that cup court?
- [61:59]
A
He said I slipped multiple times.
- [62:01]
C
Well, do you like that Lakers cup court, all the yellow? Because you've got the cup itself, which is, you know, incorporated into all of the cups in the lane. Then you got that bright yellow. It's a lot.
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A
It's a lot. Yeah.
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C
I'm not the biggest fan of that one.
- [62:15]
D
P court.
- [62:17]
C
You think it looks like urine?
- [62:18]
D
It looks like pee. It looks like a toilet full of pee.
- [62:23]
C
In a good way. Tricks of our wallet.
- [62:24]
D
In a really good way.
- [62:26]
C
Okay, tonight's pick em game. Tess, you're in a bit of a heater right now. After going 0:10 or whatever it was to start the month, you're 6 and 11. Another victory last night. TK got it as well. I lost back in the Clippers. Stupid Clippers. What's tonight's game? As we close out the month of.
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A
November, the natural pick would be to go with Rockets Warriors. A great matchup. It's on espn, but we've done the big national TV games plenty. So I went with a couple smaller market teams. Memphis at the Pelicans. It's basically a pick em. The Pelicans are plus one and a half at home, and they have won one in a row. They crush the Bulls 143 points.
- [63:10]
D
Hey, why'd you have to bring that up?
- [63:11]
A
Yeah, Cheese. Well, I felt like they made. They were almost. They lost the game before that. Zion didn't play that game. And then the game before that, Zion had that terrible closeout real late against the Mavs on that three point shot. Was it PJ Naji Marshall, he just. He didn't even go out there.
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B
Yeah.
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C
It wasn't much of a closeout.
- [63:30]
A
So I figure he's playing tonight. No Turkey tomorrow. He can't play tomorrow. There's no back to back stuff. The Grizzlies had won two games in a row before their loss to the Nuggets. They're currently in the play inside. They've sort of gotten it together a little bit. So Grizzlies at Pelicans. Two of you guys taking the Grizzlies? I'm comfortable taking the Pelicans at home.
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C
Grizzlies need this if they want to advance to the next round of the Cup.
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A
What is a Cup game?
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E
Cup.
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C
So it's a Cup game. A lot of cup games tonight. All of them. I think that's why I sort of lean towards Memphis. This is tough, though. I don't know. There are a little. Both these teams, a little Jekyll and Hyde. To me, they look great one night and look like garbage the next. But I got the. I got the Bears with TK The Bears. Go Bears.
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D
They play on Friday.
- [64:15]
C
They do? Yeah.
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D
They're gonna lose.
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C
Who they play? Packers.
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D
Eagles.
- [64:18]
C
Oh, yeah. Why is there so much Eagles talk, though? I'm seeing a ton of discourse around the Eagles. Even though they're, like, good still.
- [64:26]
D
They're good, but they're. I think they're squeaking by and they haven't been super impressive. And their quarterback, Jalen Hurts, and their receiver, A.J. brown are like best friends dating back to college.
- [64:37]
C
Okay.
- [64:37]
D
But A.J. brown keeps calling out Jalen Hurts in.
- [64:40]
C
The media, saying, give me the damn ball. Okay, okay.
- [64:43]
D
That's what it's. So there's, you know, just your classic wide receiver, quarterback diva drama.
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A
Right.
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C
They are the defending champions.
- [64:53]
A
Why?
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C
I was saying so much about them. It was definitely about Hurts. Now I think about it. Yeah. Not playing up to his standard, maybe, but. All right. Go Bears. Go Bears tonight.
- [65:02]
D
Go Bears on Friday to win all weekend.
- [65:04]
C
Okay.
- [65:04]
D
Friday's a big one, huh? It's like they got football. They got the Bears. Eagles. As like during the day. And then they have all these cup games on Amazon prime as well. And then I think they have like some other third event going down. Big day for Prime. Well.
- [65:19]
C
Oh, there's another event on Prime. Yeah, yeah.
- [65:22]
A
Okay, I forget what it is. Like a non sport.
- [65:24]
D
Yeah, yeah. Yes. It was on Prime.
- [65:27]
C
Black Friday related, probably.
- [65:29]
D
I bet you're gonna be able to click with your remote and just order shirts.
- [65:34]
C
For sure. You will be able to. All right, TASS has the Pelicans. We got the Grizzlies. I already said this. It's the Drop podcast here today on a Wednesday. Because we're not doing a live show for the rest of the week. So let's do some rapid fire. Never all that rapid. TK's got the questions.
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D
Earlier this week, Jake Laravia and assistant coach Bo Lava Vesque won a Lakers team pickleball tournament. They beat Luka and another coach in the finals. Luka was upset in his post game press conference. Question for you guys. Which NBA coach are you partnering with to win a no dunks pickleball tournament?
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C
Skeets. Well, I don't know if this is actually important in pickleball. Jd Maybe you could tell me whether it is. I feel like being tall is very helpful. Having a long reach.
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B
Reach 100.
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C
Okay, well, with that in mind, give me Thiago Splitter. Nice. Tallest coach in the game. 6:11. They're taking up so much court. I'll be the speedy guy. I think we'd be pretty solid together. And yeah, just because he's huge. I was looking that up today. Who's the tallest coach in the NBA right now? AI, stupid. AI doesn't know shit. Said Mitch Johnson. Johnson. Mitch Johnson is like, barely six feet tall. It's like six, one, I think.
- [66:50]
D
Tiny Mitch.
- [66:51]
C
What is AI doing?
- [66:53]
D
What is AI doing? AI should be able to measure how tall people are.
- [66:56]
C
But this is a fun trivia question for you because I already talked to TK before you got into the studio here. How tall do you think Jamal Mosley is?
- [67:03]
D
Fun trivia question.
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A
It. It's. I think he's a big man.
- [67:06]
C
You think he's okay? Yeah.
- [67:08]
A
Oh, I'm wrong. Six, seven.
- [67:10]
C
He's six, eight, eight. But I thought he was and traded as well. We thought he was, like, much shorter than that. He doesn't hold himself as a 6, 7, 6, 8 guy. I thought he was like, 6, 4, maybe.
- [67:23]
A
Like, you know, I did see him in a. In an event yesterday during the. The game where he was with kids towering over them. Yeah, he Was towering. So. Hey, look, that was clear to me. He's a big man.
- [67:34]
C
He's a big guy.
- [67:34]
A
Yeah.
- [67:35]
C
He's one of the taller coaches. Will Hardy. Pretty damn tall. Yep.
- [67:40]
A
I saw him at a CAA meeting once.
- [67:42]
C
Carlisle sort of tall. He was obviously a former NBA player. All right. Tiago splitter.
- [67:46]
A
Yeah.
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B
J.D.
- [67:48]
A
I don't know if I'm stealing yours. I feel like I might. I'm taking Mike Brown. I'll tell you why. No, I didn't. I didn't. Okay, good. I. Mike Brown. Why I'm taking him is because on the court, what he's doing with the New York Knicks this year, everybody's sort of playing off the ball. I think he would be great at mapping out how him and I would work together on a pickleball court. I think he would be fantastic at. You got this side, I got this side. You know, everybody's off the ball, everybody's passing all that. The reason why I thought JDU might take him is because he's got an incredible collection of motorcycles. Harley Davidson.
- [68:25]
B
Yes. I've heard.
- [68:26]
A
As Klay Thompson said, the one thing that stands about my former coach Mike Brown is that he's got a Harley Davidson coach collection. It's Harley Davidson, right? Absolutely. Yeah. So if we lose, we can just jump on the bike together and I'll be behind Mike, and we can go on home. Win or lose, I should say. Yeah, exactly. I'm on the back.
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B
Surprisingly easy to picture.
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C
I can picture it.
- [68:53]
B
Me and Mike holding on tight.
- [68:55]
A
Yeah. I thought you were. Your motorcycle man. I thought you. That may. Well, what is the. Has nothing to do with Pickle.
- [69:01]
C
I thought you would pick him because you're a motor motorcycle man. I guess you would be able to talk to him about motorcycle.
- [69:07]
A
It's true.
- [69:07]
B
Yeah. In between games and stuff. I mean, I'd love to hang out.
- [69:11]
A
Yeah.
- [69:12]
C
Who are you going with?
- [69:13]
B
Well, I'm going to the W for mine. Is that all right?
- [69:16]
A
Oh, wow.
- [69:17]
C
Please.
- [69:17]
B
Becky Hammond. Come on. She. She does play pickleball. We did his research, and she actually played against the head coach of the. The Phoenix Mercury.
- [69:29]
E
Right.
- [69:29]
B
Like, they. They played before. And didn't they meet together in the finals?
- [69:34]
C
I could tell you. Oh, potentially.
- [69:36]
A
As in the WNBA finals.
- [69:37]
D
Yes. They did.
- [69:38]
A
Not the pickleball finals.
- [69:39]
C
Yeah.
- [69:39]
D
Nate Tibbets. Yes.
- [69:42]
B
Yes.
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D
Mercury.
- [69:43]
C
And, you know, they played against each other.
- [69:44]
B
They played together. According to a New York Times. They played. Oh, like they know each other. And they played friendly pickleball. And then they face each other in the wnba. Finals. Yeah. Gonna. She knows how to play. I like playing mixed doubles.
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C
Okay.
- [70:01]
B
So. And, yeah, she'd be great. I have a feeling she'd be great. You know, she's competitive.
- [70:08]
C
She would be very good.
- [70:09]
B
And I basically do what I do with Rachel and basically let her do everything.
- [70:14]
C
Just don't. Just don't get in the way.
- [70:16]
B
Just don't get in the way.
- [70:17]
C
Stay out of the kitchen and don't get in the way.
- [70:18]
B
That's right. But my women like playing with me because that's what I do. Like, a lot of men will like, they. They just hog the ball and they take every shot. Not you, not me. I'm like, go for it. I'm here to support you.
- [70:35]
C
I like it.
- [70:35]
D
The candle odds just dropped. JD and Becky Hammond. Minus 175 favorites.
- [70:40]
C
Wow. I can't believe nobody took Joe Missoula. Like, Psycho Joe. I feel like. Oh, yeah.
- [70:47]
D
Bringing the intensity.
- [70:48]
C
He'd be maybe two. Intense, tense.
- [70:50]
B
I mean, I was. If. If I wasn't allowed to go wnba, I would have gone like Phil Jackson, somebody super Zen.
- [70:56]
C
Oh, you. Like.
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B
You know what I mean? Like, just chill. Because once you're in your head, if you play angry, you. You can't play pickle.
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C
That's true, Joe. That could backfire. Missoula. Yeah.
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B
I mean, it could be very good, like, intimidating for the other team.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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C
You got to be the most Zen, like, coach in today's EP right now.
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B
Yeah. Great question. Question.
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D
Current most Zen.
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C
Mark Dangold's pretty Zen. Yeah, he is pretty chill. Just squinting. He would be able to see the ball.
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D
Steve Kerr is in the Zen coaching tree.
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C
Yeah.
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D
Nice.
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C
Good.
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D
Nice answers there. You guys all successfully answered the question number two. The Raptors asked their players what they would do if they could go back in time to have a 10th birthday party again. AJ Lawson said he would go to Canada's Wonderland and have a pizza party.
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Party.
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Garrett Temple is old, so he said he would watch a Michael Jordan playoff game. Colin Murray Boyles vividly remembered renting a game truck because his 10th birthday wasn't that long ago.
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A
Oh, wow.
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D
It was like 10 years ago. He's like, yeah, it was a great birthday. Had an awesome time. He was born recently enough that game trucks were around. Like, that's a new thing.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Birthday party. Yeah.
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D
If you had your 10th birthday party in 2025, what would you do?
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Oh, I answered this immediately. Sky Zone, Trampoline park, baby. Because that did not exist when we were kids. That I remember. At least it wasn't in southern Ontario and all these kids. You guys have kids. Feels like every second birthday party is at one of these places and they look like the best time in the world, man. It does look awesome. That was an easy answer. You know, I want to go to the ones that have the basketball. Basketball net too. I'm sure most of them do dunk on each other.
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A
Yeah.
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Jackson and his friends did that yesterday. They just went out and played. They still do it. Oh, yeah.
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In.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And yeah.
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Have you.
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B
Have you never done it before?
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C
No.
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B
You have no idea how sore you are afterwards. Oh, like.
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C
Yeah.
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B
It. Your whole body is destroyed.
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C
I mean, compacted your body.
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B
Trey limped in here today as if he had just been at Sky Zone.
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He did a zone.
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B
Oh, hell yeah.
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C
Hell yeah.
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B
Adults can do it.
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A
Socks.
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C
I thought adults were not allowed on these things.
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B
I did. Well, there's a place in. I think it's a sky Zone. It's a trampoline place.
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C
Sure.
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B
Back in Toronto and oh yeah, I went.
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A
Yeah. A lot of the places don't want adults. Yeah, but what are they gonna do? Come jump on a trampoline and get.
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C
You off of there?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. A lot of the time adults just. They're like, okay, let's do it.
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C
You ever taking a dunk or two and you've taken. Yeah, yeah.
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A
Actually there's. There is one with. Yeah. A full on court. Ashes played. Asher's played at it.
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D
Like slam ball, basically.
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C
Slam ball.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Oh, I gotta go do this.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
They're pretty fun. Okay. For sure.
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D
Tas, if you had your 10th birthday party this year, what would you do?
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A
I'm also in the air, but I will be at a. An indoor skydiving type place. Like, you know the, those, those basically those tubes.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Where you're. You're flying, you're floating. Because I gotta say, at this point in my life, I'm probably never gonna skydive. This is as close as I would get off. Be a good one.
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D
Parachute payoff.
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A
Yeah. But as a 10 year old kid, that would be awesome. Yeah.
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B
There's no way that they're letting a 10 year old do that.
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A
Yeah. What is the. I didn't, I didn't look it up. Do they?
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C
I think they do because they have people in there with you. Even if you're an adult.
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A
They go in there with the pictures of kids are real kids. I haven't looked at them.
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C
Like, hold on to you.
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B
Yeah.
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C
You're wearing that suit.
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A
Yeah.
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C
They look like children on the spot.
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A
All Right.
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C
I think. I think Lily did that once. Didn't he? Did he the indoor skydiving.
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B
It's easy to picture him. Jump suit and goggles.
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C
Yeah. He was complaining the whole time about the jumpsuit. It was restricting.
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D
This seems irresponsible to me.
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C
There's.
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D
I just threw down a quick Google on indoor skydiving. Of course they have an FAQ page. You can fly between the ages of 3 and 100.
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B
Wow. Wow.
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C
See?
- [74:55]
D
Wow.
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C
That is. That's young.
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D
Which is worse.
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C
103 I think is worse because like you're rubber when you're three. I mean what's the worst that's gonna happen? Yeah, you're gonna fall. True. You're fine.
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D
Wow. Gotta sign a waiver though.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Imagine you work there in 103 or old guy comes in. I'd like to go skydiving, please.
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C
Can I wear my diaper in there?
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D
Imagine 104 year old man comes in. You're like, sorry.
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B
The worst procrastination job ever.
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A
Ash jumped in here and said 100% fun. As far as the. The slam ball goes and adults are allowed on the court.
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C
It's.
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A
Dude, it's literally just Lambo. I've seen teens in there going crazy.
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B
That was Jack yesterday with his friends.
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E
Let's do it.
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C
Hell yeah. Sounds dangerous. JD what are you doing for your 10th birthday?
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B
This they did not have when I was a kid. Like ninja parkour type place. I would have loved to do that as a 10 year old. Like always getting in trouble for climbing way too high up on trees, on buildings, on whatever. Like so. Yeah. That kind of thing where there's just like padding everywhere and just jump off stuff and it's just so much fun.
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C
When did those come around? Literally when American ninja warriors started showing.
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B
Up maybe right before.
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C
Which then led to that, I guess.
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B
Yeah. They also have like trampolines and stuff that the ones that my kids went to like they would go to a like ninja camp, you know.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And you don't know how good you have it. You kids.
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A
I know.
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C
Imagine telling 10 year old you you're going to ninja camp. Ninja camp.
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D
Sounds awesome.
- [76:41]
C
It's amazing. Swords and everything. Yeah. Well. Foam one storage.
- [76:49]
B
Yeah.
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D
Even just jumping into a foam pit is fun.
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B
Oh yeah.
- [76:52]
A
Oh yeah. Totally.
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C
Cuz that our version of that was at least in Canada and. And where you were from is like. Like hopefully you get a massive ass snowstorm that you can jump off a huge snow bank.
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D
Right.
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C
That was our trampoline or foam pit I guess.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Cuz you could. You felt invincible. Especially when you're in your snowsuit.
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A
Yeah. I mean, we had ball pits.
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C
Yeah, but ball pits. Not like diving from high heights. I felt like those are like, you know, McDonald's ball pits.
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A
Yeah. I think Chuck had some Chuck E. Cheese. Cheese.
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D
My good friend, Charles Edward Cheese. We gotta have a 10th birthday, dad.
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C
Press. Grown men that could. That would go viral. Like grown men having their 10th birthday party again, but in 2025.
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A
Let's do it.
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C
Let's do that.
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A
Oh, man.
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D
Especially if you were born on leap year and it was really your 10th birthday.
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C
Oh, it would be perfect.
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A
Would be perfect.
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D
Bet you think I'm gonna ask for something you're thankful for to end wrapping.
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A
Rapid fire.
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D
No, no, no. Too easy. Skeets, what's something you're not thankful for?
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C
2025.
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A
Oh.
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D
Oh.
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C
Bad year. Bad year for your boy, Skeets.
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D
Tough year.
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C
Probably the worst year of my life. I mean, completely honest. It was a rough one. I lost my dad suddenly before game seven of the NBA Finals. That was not great. Nora's lost a couple family members as well. The green card fiasco that got very expensive and very stressful. And what else? We changed jobs. Had a few hiccups with that, some challenges with that. My car battery died again for like three years that already crapped out. I severely sprained my ankle during the summer. Hadn't done that in like 20 years. Really bad. Then I tweaked it again last night.
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D
Yo, I was struggling last night.
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C
I was struggling, man. It's been a bad year. I just want this year to be done. I'm excited for 26.
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D
Flush it.
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C
Exactly. I'm gonna eat so much Thanksgiving food and then flush this year. Yeah. Sorry. I mean, I'm usually a pretty positive guy, but 25's been bad for me.
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B
It was a rough one.
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C
Yeah, no doubt. It happens. Yeah. What am I, 45? This is only my second bad year. That's pretty good percentage.
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A
That was a great percentage.
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C
I can't wait for it to be over, man.
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D
You need a 10th birthday.
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C
I do, yeah.
- [79:20]
D
You do?
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C
Yeah.
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D
Taz, what's something you're not thankful for now?
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A
The tease that you said you asked if we were. If you were gonna ask something. But we're thankful for it. I kind of am. And then non thankful for part of it. I'm going on the basketball floor watching NBC games. I do like the player. Interesting tropes. I do like players saying, hey, I'm X from this school. You know that. Which they do in the NFL. But they should take it.
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D
They should.
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A
They should allow players like Franz Wagner. Yesterday, I saw him do, hey, I'm Franz Wagner. I played for Michigan or whatever he said about Michigan. He played for the Wolverines. But I want him to say what country he's from if he wants. Now, maybe he just didn't want. But this is an international game. I want. I want more. I want it all. Just tell me I'm from Germany. Okay? That's all.
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D
I wonder if they'll get more playful with it, because, you know, like, I'm sure when the NFL started doing it, they're like, I'm from University of Oklahoma. And then eventually they're like, school hard knocks.
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C
Yeah. Yeah.
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D
I'm from Green Ridge, North Carolina.
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C
Will they let them add a little more personality moving forward?
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D
Have some flavor?
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Why not? What am I not thankful for? These. These fucking studio lights. Look at. Look at all the glare. You guys look terrible.
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C
Thanks. No offense. Not thankful for that.
- [80:41]
B
I'm getting complaints left and right. It's not good. But we're working on it. We're working on it. There are improvements.
- [80:50]
C
We have expert light technicians. Multiple ones.
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B
Multiple.
- [80:55]
C
Have now come into the classic factory to help us get the right gear here.
- [80:59]
B
That's right.
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C
And then eventually get it installed.
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B
Yes. Starters, people.
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C
Just another reason 25 has sucked.
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B
Yeah.
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C
The lights, the lights.
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D
Even our light.
- [81:08]
C
Even our lights suck.
- [81:10]
B
Every day I turn them on, I'm like, God damn it, is this one even gonna turn on?
- [81:14]
C
Yeah. Yeah. It's been pretty good.
- [81:15]
B
It's been all right. Yeah. Good way.
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C
But we're gonna have that fixed, J.D. don't you worry.
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E
Yeah.
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C
And then once the lights are fixed, then we're redoing the art, and then what else? Whatever the next thing will be.
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B
Yeah. There's always something. Yeah, it's always something.
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C
A work in progress. Rapid fire. Not so rapid, but fire. I think it was at least good answers by everybody. Yeah.
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D
All successful answers.
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C
All right, before we go, it is the drop. So let's do our next 10 founding members on Substack. We're making our way through this list. We are so thankful, especially this Thanksgiving for everybody that was a founding member. And people are just paid subscribers. And the free subscribers just sign up to no Dunk substack page. The link is in the show notes. Our next 10 guys, let's give it up for Danny.
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A
Thanks, Danny.
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C
I don't think it's Danny LaRue, but another Danny in our lives. Sr. Jindal. Thank you. Sr.
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D
Thank you.
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C
Mark Franken, my favorite name here of the bunch. Weather report. Interesting. Thank you, weather. Ryan Ford. We've got Brent Allard.
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D
Okay, thank you.
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C
I think this is our second Andy. Oh, yeah. There's a lot more Andy's in the world than you think.
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D
More than you would think.
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C
Dan Land. Dan's been around for a long time. Classic Zombie is a founding member. And Mark Everest or Everheart. Excuse me. Thank you to those next 10 founding members. As we make our way through the.
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E
List.
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C
A salute and a thank you to you. We love you. That's it for the drop, but we got some more fun coming over the next couple days. Starts today at 3pm Eastern. Bulls are back. Continues on playback. Trey Kirby rewatching highlights from all of of the 72 in Bulls games. How many losses are they at at this point? Two losses.
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D
They lost last time we watched.
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C
I have a feeling they're going to go undefeated this week. I'm calling it right now.
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A
Yeah, you're right.
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C
I don't even know who they're.
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D
Got a good feeling. I don't either.
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C
Okay, well, you're gonna find out at.
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D
3:00Pm yeah, probably 3:00pm you know, there's a lot of moving pieces going on. Oh, yeah, you gotta go shop for dishes.
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C
Oh, you haven't even shopped yet, T.K. oh, boy.
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D
And hopefully they still have noodles.
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C
So at some point this afternoon or.
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D
Later today, hopefully three.
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C
Okay.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Tomorrow, no live show, but we are posting a certified classic, one of the greatest photos we've ever taken. That's Angry Uncle Bob, who came by the studio a few times when we were the starters. I think he showed up like three, four, five times, maybe at the holidays. So we're doing sort of a compilation of Angry Uncle Bob appearances on the starters. That'll go up. What do you think, J.D. should we just go 10:00am yeah, sure. We'll set it for that. So that's something fun to go over and watch on YouTube. Especially you podcast listeners. Go check that out. And then for you Survivor fans, we're going to be doing no Buffs Live from the Classic Factory on Friday. So that episode is on tonight. Survivor 49, episode 10. But we'll be here on Friday at 10:00am Eastern in the classic factory. JD, TK, myself, and of course my lovely wife Nora breaking down. Hopefully a good episode. Something happens at Tribal council. Hopefully it's some fireworks and we will break that down. So there you go. Bulls are back. Angry Uncle Bob. No buffs. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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D
Otherwise, to do Like a clip show.
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C
On Thanksgiving for Survivor. Yeah, sounds right.
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D
I'm glad they don't do that.
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C
Oh yeah, we got thankful for that straight up episode. Yeah, we're thankful for you for joining us live here on YouTube. Maybe watching later. Hit the like button. Subscribe and podcast listeners, we're very thankful for you. Leave your boys a five star rating and review. That'd be a really nice thing to leave under our Thanksgiving tree.
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E
Yep.
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C
Decorated with pumpkins and.
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D
Yeah. Turkey wings.
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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D
Throw it on there.
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C
Throw, throw some mashed potato on there. That's your tinsel.
- [85:20]
D
Let's do that.
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C
You want to make a Thanksgiving decorate?
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D
You know, we decorated for Halloween. Didn't really decorate that much for Thanksgiving this year. We'll put up a classic Thanksgiving treat next year.
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C
Okay, sounds great. So we will see you guys talking about basketball here from the Classic Factory on Monday when Tas Millis will be sporting.
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A
Oh yeah, a goatee Monday.
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C
So that's Monday's show. Can't wait for then. But everybody have a fun and safe Thanksgiving weekend if you're here in the States. Till then, Clipper bro, you heard it here first.
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D
Have a great time. Turn up.
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C
Love you guys.
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D
Awesome.
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A
Thanks for joining us. And remember this Friday on Amazon prime, as you were saying, Trey, there's another event. It's golf. The Skins Game is on. Skins Game, the Skins competition. It starts at 9am Eastern. Now that's smart. Coverage begins at 9am Eastern. It's one of those things because you may have the day off. It's probably factored in that you just would put it on and just leave it on because that's what you do with golf. Absolutely. Six hours, seven hours, 12 hours. Could go all day.
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D
The watch time on Amazon prime is.
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C
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