Wemby Ejected, Knicks Sweep, NBA Draft Lottery Winners & Losers

Summary

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No Dunks Podcast Summary

Episode: "Wemby Ejected, Knicks Sweep, NBA Draft Lottery Winners & Losers"

Date: May 11, 2026
Hosts: J. Skeets, Tas Melis, Trey Kirby, Super Producer JD

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Episode Overview

The No Dunks crew kicks off the week by breaking down a loaded NBA weekend. They start with the 2026 NBA Draft Lottery results—focusing on the Wizards’ big win and key winners and losers. Other major talking points include Victor Wembanyama’s ejection in Game 4, the Minnesota Timberwolves’ dramatic series-tying win over the Spurs, and the New York Knicks crushing sweep of the Philadelphia 76ers. The guys also look ahead to pivotal game fours in Cleveland and Los Angeles.

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NBA Draft Lottery Results: Winners & Losers

Wizards Finally Cash In (#04:54 – #13:04)

• Wizards win the lottery for the first time since drafting John Wall in 2010. Wall even sat in as team rep—a “perfect NBA script” moment.
• The Jazz move up to #2, Grizzlies to #3, and the Bulls (under a new front office) leap from #9 to #4.
• The Pacers lose their top-4 protected pick to the Clippers, who jump to #5.
• This is the first year under this lottery format the worst team has won the #1 pick—right before the league’s planned reform. “It’s somewhat fitting with the lottery reform coming, that this is the result we get here,” (J. Skeets, 15:11).
• Quote: “If they don’t take BYU’s AJ Debanza first, I’ll eat my hat. Wait, I don’t own a hat. I do though. I own a lot of baseball caps, so I’ll eat my cap. It’s gonna happen.” (Tas Melis quoting David Aldridge, 10:27)

Trade Chatter & Analysis

• Wizards are “finally getting a star”—and could add A.J. Debanza or potentially trade down, as “number one picks don’t get traded all that often, but...the Jazz have the means to chase a #1 pick” (Trey Kirby, 11:39).
• Jazz tank job pays off: “We go get Jaren Jackson Jr., we play our guys for three quarters, sit them for the fourth. Our fans are still filling out the stadium.” (Tas Melis, 12:32)
• Consensus: Likeliest order is Debanza (WAS), Peterson (UTA), with intrigue at #3 for Memphis between Boozer and Wilson.

Lottery Drawing Drama

• The “back-room drawing” commentary: “It was like, hilariously boring…But a funny part was the Jazz actually won the third pick as well, so they had to reset it and do it over.” (J. Skeets, 14:48)

Tanking Still Works (#15:49 – #18:26)

• Both Wizards and Jazz openly tank, “traded for stars at the deadline, then shut both of them down. They both had very embarrassing moments regarding tanking...and they got the top two picks.” (Trey Kirby, 15:57)
• Even Memphis, after John Morant’s injury and multiple trades, followed a similar playbook. “There were incentives to be bad because you could get a top three pick in the draft, and those three teams did.” (Trey Kirby, 16:51)

Bulls, Clippers, Pacers, and Losers

Bulls: Up to #4 (#18:26 – #20:23)

• Trey Kirby, as a Bulls fan, is excited just to be in the top 4, happy with whoever is picked (“it’s all about the SLAP: size, length, athleticism, physicality,” 19:07), and describes a superstitious crema-stirring ritual for good luck.

Clippers & Pacers: Coin-Flip Fallout (#25:56 – #29:24)

• Pacers lose protected pick to Clips (#5 overall): “Trading the #5 pick for Avita Zubats essentially…Clippers went from 0% chance of a pick to getting Garland, Zubats, AND the #5,” (Tas Melis, 27:02; Trey Kirby, 27:42).
• Kevin Pritchard (Pacers GM) apologizes publicly: “Do you want your GM believing in basketball gods? Yeah, but you also want them to know the probabilities.” (Trey Kirby, 26:51)
• Nets and Kings are named “big losers”: “The Nets...traded control of picks to tank and STILL moved down a combined five slots in two lotteries.” (J. Skeets, 30:31)

Other Noted Winners/Losers (#32:53 – #35:58)

• Pelicans are “losers for sure,” missing the chance to have both #5 and #8 (“traded both last year,” Trey Kirby, 32:57). Hawks and Bucks similarly miss out on greater returns.
• Thunder are “devastated!” for “only” staying at #12—said very tongue-in-cheek.
• Fun segment: hosts debate how many team hats they could physically hold at draft photos.

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Spurs-Wolves: Wembanyama Ejection Drama & Game Four Thriller

The Ejection (#37:51 – #41:53)

• Wemby ejected in the second quarter for a flagrant-2 elbow to Nas Reed’s chin.
• “Unquestionably deserved to be tossed from this game…He paid his dues, you are ejected from a game early, I think that’s fine. Done and done.” (Tas Melis, 38:14)
• Comparison: not dissimilar to Metta World Peace’s old violent elbows, but Wemby’s track record and role as a league face likely spares him a suspension. “If they came down with a one gamer, I’d be like, okay, that was a bad elbow.” (Trey Kirby, 39:02)
• Hosts agree: ejection was warranted, game-five suspension is unlikely.
• Wemby handled his exit with good humor: “He started high-fiving everybody—he handled the ejection pretty calmly.” (J. Skeets, 41:53)
• Noted: The Wolves crowd went “absolutely berserk” on announcement (41:36)

Game Recap (#42:09 – #51:52)

• Wolves come back down late, tie series: Anthony Edwards pours in 16 4Q points (36 total), but “he got completely exhausted…if Game 1 and Game 4 were 49 minutes long, this would have been a sweep for San Antonio” (Trey Kirby, 44:45).
• “Small-time plays equal big-time wins”—Ant, postgame, downplays teammates’ late-game contributions but corrects himself (“saved it, you got me!” 44:05)
• Crucial Wolves bigs: Gobert dominates boards, Nas Reed delivers slick assists, Julius Randle is “garbage for 45 minutes, then totally redeems himself” (J. Skeets, 46:32).
• Spurs, even without Wemby, throw a major scare: “Third quarter was incredible…they ran and picked mismatches all game.” (Tas Melis, 42:20)
• Major props to Spurs rookie Dylan Harper: “He’s gonna be the second-best player next year…he’s a star already.” (51:11)
• Series outlook: “It’s what we anticipated…this is going to be a hell of a series.” (J. Skeets, 49:25)

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Knicks Sweep Sixers: Pure Dominance

Knicks Jury-Rig the Sixers, Roll to ECF (#55:56 – #62:04)

• Knicks put up 25 made threes (on 44 attempts, 57%), matching the all-time playoff record, and close out the Sixers in a “party-like” Game 4 in Philadelphia.
• Deuce McBride with a playoff career-high: “He’s been given the small gesture, ‘too small for me,’ each series…starting for OG Anunoby. They win two without OG — oh yeah, no problem,” (Tas Melis, 57:53).
• Towns’ new role lauded: “His assists jump from three to eight per game...he’s part of everything” (Tas Melis, 58:33).
• “If they’re hitting 25 threes a game, they’re going to the NBA Finals, I’ll tell you that” (J. Skeets, 58:56).
• Sixers’ season ends in embarrassment: “Getting booed off the court by Knicks fans in your own building...that’s the classic depressing end for the Sixers” (Trey Kirby, 60:57).
• Trey blames Celtics for gifting Knicks this path by blowing Game 7 to Sixers: “Philly won their championship by beating the Celtics...the Sixers had nothing” (Trey Kirby, 59:16).

Why Knicks Are Rolling

• Knicks have “found the perfect balance between high end talent and depth...seven straight wins by an average of 26.4 points” (J. Skeets, 61:01).
• Quote: “Knicks fans that have been Knicks fans for like 40 years are like, this is the best the Knicks have ever looked. And they’re not wrong.” (J. Skeets, 62:00)
• Mikal Bridges’ defense on Maxey and Bridges’ offensive leap called out as crucial.
• Knicks will be “heavy favorites” over either the Pistons or Cavaliers in the ECF, with home court advantage if facing Cleveland. (J. Skeets, 62:11)

Sixers Postmortem

• Encouraging for future: Maxey’s leap, Paul George playoffs, Edgecombe’s development.
• But “same old, same old” after a “different route” (Trey Kirby, 60:58).

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Around the League: Other Playoff & Lottery Notes

NBA Draft Losers Recap (#32:53 – #35:58)

• Pacers, Nets, Kings, Pelicans, Bucks, Warriors noted as "losers" for either falling in the lottery or trading assets for meager returns.
• Extended riff on how unlucky the Nets have been historically with their own picks.

Other Playoff Previews & Musings (#72:25 – End)

• Cavaliers-Pistons and Lakers-Thunder Game 4 previews: expecting tight games; Cavs must win, OKC’s youth and depth compared to the aging Lakers.
• Lakers’ role players, like DeAndre Ayton, criticized: “He can’t grab a defensive rebound. He’s right there and he can’t grab it,” (Trey Kirby, 78:20)
• Thunder’s team chemistry praised for “most smiles per game of any team.”
• Lighthearted discussion about pickleball, including a tangent about legendary players and a Cinderella story, plus grocery-store and sponsorship side-convos.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On tanking: “Tanking is a winner. Absolutely, tanking is a winner.” (Trey Kirby, 15:56)
• On Wemby’s ejection: “If Wemmy’s throwing elbows like that, it’s not surprising he’s going to hit somebody in the head...that’s just how his body is.” (Trey Kirby, 39:02)
• On Knicks fans in Philly: “Maxey said it was louder for the Knicks in Philadelphia than it was in Madison Square Garden.” (Trey Kirby, 67:18)
• On Anthony Edwards’ clutch plays: “Small-time plays equal big-time wins.” (Anthony Edwards, paraphrased by Trey Kirby, 44:05)
• On Knicks’ dominance: “Knicks fans that have been Knicks fans for like 40 years are like, this is the best the Knicks have ever looked. And they’re not wrong.” (J. Skeets, 62:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:54–13:04] Wizards, draft lottery winners & top pick speculation
• [13:04–15:49] How the NBA draft lottery drawing really works
• [15:49–20:23] Tanking wins; Bulls leap to No. 4
• [25:56–29:24] Clippers snag Pacers' pick; losers recap
• [37:51–41:53] Wemby ejection breakdown & analysis
• [42:09–51:52] Wolves-Spurs Game 4: clutch plays, series outlook
• [55:56–62:04] Knicks sweep Sixers: dominance, fan invasion, Sixers’ collapse
• [72:25–80:00] Pistons-Cavs & Lakers-Thunder playoff previews
• [80:30–84:17] Lighthearted pickleball tangent & closing banter

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Listener Takeaways

• Wizards finally get rewarded for “perfect” tanking with the top pick in a loaded draft; Jazz, Grizzlies, and Bulls also big winners.
• Tanking, while controversial, clearly still works—at least for organizations willing to stomach a few dark years.
• Spurs-Wolves is must-watch: big personalities, high drama, and a series that’s living up to the hype.
• Knicks are on a historic tear—hitting threes, getting balanced contributions, and setting themselves up as East favorites.
• Sixers’ season ends in familiar heartbreak, despite progress from Tyrese Maxey and Paul George.
• Expect fireworks in upcoming Cavs-Pistons and Lakers-Thunder games—no one’s pulling any punches now.

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For those who missed the episode, this summary delivers all the major themes, analysis, and fun moments, while preserving the offbeat, conversational No Dunks style.

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[J. Skeets]

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[Tas Melis]

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[J. Skeets]

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[Super Producer JD]

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[J. Skeets]

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[J. Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

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[Trey Kirby]

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[J. Skeets]

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[Trey Kirby]

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[Tas Melis]

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[Trey Kirby]

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[J. Skeets]

On today's podcast, we got a lot to break down here. We're going to discuss Wemby's ejection throwing the elbow on Nas Reed. And the Wolves come back to tie up that series. Two, two. Uh, we're going to highlight the Knicks sweeping the Sixers out of the playoffs. And we'll look ahead to tonight's two game fours in Cleveland and in la. But first, we start this Monday morning with the Washington Wizards winning the draft lottery on Sunday. Happy Mother's Day to the Wizards. Uh, they will pick first overall for the first time since choosing John Wall in that spot in 2010. Wall was the Wizards on stage representative for yesterday's lottery, so good job, NBA scriptwriters. The Utah Jazz moved up on lottery day for the first time in the organization's history to number two. The Memphis Grizzlies moved up three spots to number three. And the Chicago Bulls, yes, under a new front office, jumped all the way from number nine to number four. The big takeaway in terms of the losers of it all, the Pacers lost their protected top four pick to the Clippers, who got the number five pick. But we'll get into other winners and losers here in a second. Let's just talk about the Wizards, though. Getting this done and getting the number one pick in a in a loaded draft. So finally the worst team in the league gets the number one pick. How fitting is this now that we get rid of this actual strategy or style of lottery?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, Adam Silver said. See, tanking works. That's why we got to change some things up a little bit here. But this is just amazing for the Wizards. It's going to be weird next year. They're getting Trey Young and Anthony Davis back. So this is not a team that is going to be bottom of the barrel going into next season regardless. But they have been for the past three seasons and we've talked a lot of times like their rebuild really Needed a star. So even if they hadn't done the Trey Young Anthony Davis trades, this would be pretty sweet for Washington to get a guy. And I'm guessing AJ Debanza seems to be the number one pick though according to Jake Fisher there is some trade down potential from the Wizards. We'll see if it actually happens. It worked out pretty well for the Celtics once upon a time. True to trade down from the number one and get some stuff in the future as well. We'll see what ends up happening there. But you like to see them hang on to the number one pick after three years of just being completely trash and next year they're an interesting team. You know, they have some interesting young players. They're getting back to all stars in Trey and Anthony Davis. I assume Anthony Davis will be on the team, so it doesn't totally feel like a guarantee at this point, but I think he'll be there. And then if it's Debance or whoever, they end up taking it. I don't know if they trade down it'll be like to two or three. It won't be very far but they're going to be getting a big time prospect along with a couple of guys. They'll probably be back in the play in mix, I would have to imagine. So awesome for the Wizards. Pretty cool that John Wall was like, yeah, you bring a number one pick to get a number one pick. Okay, yeah, it worked out that way for sure.

[Tas Melis]

John Wall's done this before. I assume he has sat there for the Washington Wizards before. I feel like he has.

[J. Skeets]

It does feel like it, but I'm not 100% convinced.

[Tas Melis]

I didn't go back into the history of draft lotteries and see if he sat there before. It feels like he has been there. Either way, they've got the number one pick. They have been bad for several years. They have been planting this as their front office has a bunch of OKC former employees. They're trying to do the same thing. It sure feels like let's be bad for a long time. It seems like the Washington Wizards have disappeared off the NBA fans radar for a while. They've just been a really bad team.

[Trey Kirby]

Just like OKC.

[J. Skeets]

Unless Bam Adebaya was scoring 83 points on them. Yes.

[Tas Melis]

For that reason, yes. But they have been right. They lost 64 games the last three seasons. The first team in NBA history to do that. Which is weird to say that, but yeah. So they have been bad for a long time getting a number one pick. It is interesting to Think about if Anthony Davis is going to want to play with the number one pick. I know Trey. You always wondered if he liked playing with Cooper Flag in the Dallas Mavericks. I wanted to say that Cooper Flag appeared on Anthony Davis's prank show. So I do think they liked each other because I don't think he'd ask him if he didn't like him. Right. So I think they're buds now.

[J. Skeets]

Anthony Davis is the real NBA draft lottery lottery charm, luck charm, whatever you want to call it. Isn't this the third time?

[Tas Melis]

Right, right.

[J. Skeets]

This guy's been on a team and they've won the on the draft lottery. And back to back here with Dallas and Washington. Was he still on the Pelicans when they got at the one tier?

[Trey Kirby]

No, they traded him to the Lakers and then the NBA gifted them the number one.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

So of course, was the number one pick.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, that too. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, he's the real lucky tr.

[Tas Melis]

The Wizards have to take Dan. Right. That's what all the rumors say. It's a fun name to say. Also, he's 69. He's just feels like a perfect modern NBA player. Can do everything from what I read, anyway, I read David Aldridge, who's been part of the Wizards ecosystem for a long time. He wrote, if they don't take BYU's AJ Deban first, I'll eat my hat. Wait, I don't own a hat. I do, though. I own a lot of baseball caps, so I'll eat my cap. It's gonna happen.

[J. Skeets]

I've seen David Aldridge in a baseball cap for sure. So he's got to eat it.

[Tas Melis]

Can't remember.

[Trey Kirby]

He's got to eat it.

[J. Skeets]

There are people wondering, could the Jazz, like, get very, very aggressive in trying to swap, like you were saying, one and two there. Utah trying to get that number one pick from Washington. Give them stuff in the player future picks just so they could get there, you know, Utah guy there, they're BYU guy and Adrian. But I. I don't think that's going to happen. I think it's going to go Debanta one, Peterson two. And then it gets really fun with the Grizzlies selection between either a Boozer or a Wilson. And then Trey gets sort of the leftovers, but with the Bulls. But yeah. What's your read on. On what the Wizards will do here with the number one pick?

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, most likely they'll keep it. Number one picks don't get traded all that often. But it is pretty interesting that the Jazz actually moved Up. They do have the history with the Bansa, like basically moving them out to Utah in for prep school and then for byu, funded by literally the Jazz owner and their gm. Pretty crazy. They have the means to be able to chase a number one pick. Like they could give up their number two. You're not moving that far down if you're the Wizards. Like, if they like PETERSON Better than DeBance. So why wouldn't you take a second first round pick or something like that? Or Ace Bailey.

[J. Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

Like there are things that the Jazz could do if they really, really want to get up to number one. But stasis is kind of the most likely outcome. And either way, it's working out nice for the Wizards. Either they, I mean, they're getting the guy they want regardless. Getting the number one pick means you get to choose the first guy or any other trade option you want out there. So perfect for them.

[Tas Melis]

And it's worked out well for the Jazz here for the first time in a while where they tend to drop a few spots here even after being extremely bad. But they had the perfect tank mode this past season. We go get Jaren Jackson Jr. We continue to play our guys for three quarters. We sit them for the fourth quarter. Our fans are still filling out the stadium and we have a bunch of great guys going forward with Keante George and Triple J, as I mentioned, Larry Markin and Ace Bailey. Now you got the number two pick. So it's worked out pretty damn well.

[J. Skeets]

Final thought on the Wizards here. The winning combo. 4, 2, 1, 13. And I wanted to ask you, task, did you watch what the NBA released soon after the actual broadcast? You know, where we do the envelopes and Tatum shows them, but then they give you the footage of that back room where the media's in there and all the reps for the teams. Did you watch it? You keep saying it should be televised.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, well, I read.

[Trey Kirby]

So it's gotta be.

[Tas Melis]

It's gotta be. It's gotta be televised. Way better than what they do. Yeah, that's why, like an actual show. That's not a show.

[J. Skeets]

I watched it. It's the most boring thing of all time, right? Well, because it has to be. Because it's actually quite serious that all the rules and regulations and you need to explain all that.

[Trey Kirby]

I thought you were going to say because it's cover. They make it so boring that nobody would want to watch it. They can do anything they want in there with their deep fake technology.

[J. Skeets]

I watched it.

[Trey Kirby]

Brutal but brilliant stuff by Adam Silver to throw Everybody off the scent. You wouldn't rig it for the Wizards and the Jazz, two teams that had embarrassing tank moments this season. So if you don't do it this year, you can do it every other year.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[Tas Melis]

I read Brian Windhurst recap of the entire thing, and he basically said it was the opposite of boring. Being in there, it was exciting. Well, yes. I mean, watching again, televised, it's different. I mean, he knew. He knew every single detail. You said 421 3. As he was doing it, as he was reporting on it, he knew absolutely every outcome that was possible with every lottery ball.

[J. Skeets]

So, yeah, I don't even think the 13 matter. That last ping pong ball didn't even matter. It was the Wizards at that point. After the 4:2:1 came up, they were

[Tas Melis]

the only ones that had 4:2:1 in their options anyways. Yes, I wanted to be televised, but I want it to be a production, you know, not a nothing. When you watched it, it was literally nothing. Right.

[J. Skeets]

It was like, hilariously boring.

[Tas Melis]

A still cam.

[J. Skeets]

Well, no. There's one guy explaining the rules. There's one guy doing the whole ping pong balls into the machine. There's another representative there sort of saying what the team is. But a funny part was the Jazz actually won the third pick as well.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

So they're like, okay, just reset it and they got to do it over because obviously they could get that combo again. But they won the two picks. Yeah. Yeah.

[Super Producer JD]

Cool.

[J. Skeets]

It was cool. It is somewhat fitting with the lottery reform coming, that this is the result we get here, though, because since the odds changed in 2019, the worst team had never won the number one overall pick. So now, in the final year of this format, it hits for the wizards, who lost 26 or their final 27 games and had the bam debacle and. And have been garbage for three years. And it's like, well, they're the worst team. And here they go. They get the number one pick, and then we will completely get rid of this, and it's going to be even more random, really, in theory, if we go the way we think we're going with it in terms of the results. But congrats to the Wizards fans.

[Trey Kirby]

They need good year to win.

[J. Skeets]

Very good year to win. Any other thoughts on them or let's get to some other winners and losers. Where do you want to start? Open floor here.

[Trey Kirby]

Tanking is a winner.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Absolutely tanking as a winner. The Wizards and the Jazz both traded for stars at the deadline, getting Trae Young and Anthony Davis in the Wizards case, getting Jaren Jackson Jr. In the jazz case, and then they shut both of them down. They both had very embarrassing moments regarding tanking. Bam's 83 hung on the Wizards, kind of a black eye on their season. And the Jazz literally got fined for the shenanigans that they were pulling and they got the top two picks. That's crazy. The Jazz are in the same boat as the Wizards where they needed the. The star of their rebuild. They've got everything else, but they needed that number one guy. Now they get one. They're going to be adding veterans with Kessler coming back from injury, Jaren Jackson Jr. Coming back from fake injury, Lowry Markkin coming back from the world's longest sickness. Like they've got guys coming back to play with Keante George who had an awesome season and whoever they end up picking. Maybe Darren Peterson feels like he fits nice there. You could even say Memphis tanked. John Morant was out for months with an elbow injury. They traded away Jaren Jackson Jr. They traded away Devin or Devin Desmond Bain prior to the season. So I think this shows. Yeah, there were incentives to be bad because you could get a top three pick in the draft and those three teams did.

[Tas Melis]

And this was the year to do it. Considering how good these draftees should be, there's a bunch of them, as you said. Like you could go down to the Grizzlies, who as an organization are just doing a 180 degree turn. See you later. Jaren Jackson Jr. Desmond Bain before that. And it sure feels like John Morant has played his last game. Wow. They've been filling the cupboards slowly like these other teams have. Cedric Coward should be a good young player for a very long time. We'll see how Zach Edie's body holds up. So they're doing the. The slow play here as the. Yeah, the Wizards played it perfectly, being bad for a long time, while the Jazz also had been bad for a long time. But finally a higher pick, not the number one pick, but you know, a pretty high pick here. That will very likely be Darren Peterson, although he was ranked, as I read, number one for a long time. But then the body issues, the cramps. I read that apparently doctors have said that creatine was part of the body cramps and tra.

[J. Skeets]

I immediately thought of tr.

[Trey Kirby]

I was like, there's no way that's true.

[Tas Melis]

That's got to be true.

[Trey Kirby]

Only guy that cramps up on podcasts. Literally nobody else. Yeah, for sure. I'm taking 100 milligrams of creatine a day.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, exactly. It's got to be true.

[Trey Kirby]

Just five grams?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, just five. Just five. But apparently he's to get off the crate or. I don't know. I don't know what the report is, but either way. Yeah. Then the Bulls obviously have to be labeled a winner. And of course, the Clippers.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Well, okay, let's talk about the Bulls here quickly. Cause I do want to know, who do you. Who do you hope falls to you at number four as a Bulls fan? Or are you in the boat of, like, honestly, who cares? This is incredible. You know, they're saying it's a top four loaded draft and we're one of those selections.

[Trey Kirby]

I'm happy. Yeah, exactly. Whoever's dropping to four, I'm happy. Like, I'm a Cam Boozer fan. Not everybody is. He seems most likely of the top three to drop out just because of concerns with. Regarding his athleticism. Caleb Wilson is the guy who's mocked there for every single mock draft. Right now he's at 4. New Bulls GM Bryson Graham said, I'm into slap size, length, athleticism, physicality.

[Super Producer JD]

Wow.

[Trey Kirby]

Sounds like Caleb Wilson to me. Oh, man, I got acronyms now.

[Tas Melis]

Slap.

[Trey Kirby]

It's all about the slap. No Will Smith. But yeah, I was mixing up a beautiful lime crema yesterday as the draft lottery was going. Bulls moved up. I'm not stopping. I'm not stopping. Stirring.

[J. Skeets]

Getting too much stir.

[Trey Kirby]

I'm gonna stir until they get the number one pick. They came to four. Crema was good to go.

[J. Skeets]

Okay, good, good, good.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. A lot of air in that crema. I'm sure. I'm sure it was great.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, we got some leftovers. They'll go nice on the chickpea stew tonight.

[J. Skeets]

Excellent, excellent. So, yeah, huge for those top four teams, obviously, in Washington, Utah, Memphis and Chicago. I a little interested to see where, if it goes AJ and Darren 1, 2. You know, I'm intrigued at least which direction the Grizzlies would go. Do you take, like, maybe the more upside player in Caleb Wilson or the more sure thing, sort of almost, dare I say almost. Pau Gasol. Like, in a weird way, just like going to be a 2010 guy. I'm talking boozer here, of course. And you sort of like, pick, build your franchise around him. I'm not sure you can go wrong, but I'm fascinated to say who they pick. And then that leaves the leftover for TK There. And the Bulls fans.

[Tas Melis]

Does it start at number three? Does the draft start at number Three, sort of. Kind of. Well, we shall see.

[Trey Kirby]

Either way, though, you look at the top four, and you're like, okay, this kind of makes sense for where the prospects are slotted to go. Like, I don't think that the Wizards would be as interested in Darren Peterson as they are in AJ debance because they just traded for Trey Young and gave him an extension. The Jazz have a bunch of big guys and could use a guard, so maybe they get Darren Peters. Grizzlies, I think, are kind of more unformed right now, but it definitely feels like John Morant could be on his way out. The biggest thing is they got probably their next star or at least their next marketable guy that they're going to be pitching things around. And then, yeah, the Bulls, they got the fourth pick, and it's never gone poorly for the Bulls. Oh, boy, I did hate remembering my brain.

[J. Skeets]

What do we got, Eddie? We got Patrick Williams, of course.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, yeah, yeah, we still got him.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, still got him. Eddie Curry.

[Trey Kirby]

Eddie Curry.

[J. Skeets]

Marcus Fiser.

[Trey Kirby]

That's right.

[J. Skeets]

And then a bunch of older guys that I do think, yeah, Tom Boerwinkle

[Trey Kirby]

was the biggest thing.

[J. Skeets]

Tom Boerwinkle was a problem.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, Tom Forewinkle, they were calling him back when he 89 billion years ago. But, you know, it's a new era, and this is the first step to the Bulls being back. We'll take it.

[J. Skeets]

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[J. Skeets]

Okay, well, let's talk about the other big takeaway from the draft lottery results. It was, you know, the loser winner combo of the Pacers and Clippers tasks with that pick going to LAC at the number five spot. Pacers traded their fairly rare lottery pick with protections from number one through number four and then number 10 through number 30 as part of that package for Evita Zubots. And it was like, it was basically a 50, 50 coin flip. And it was a little bit, you know, like 48, 52. And it did not come up Pacers. It came up clips as they get this to the point where I think Kevin Pritchard's like apologizing on Twitter. Hey, you know, we took a risk here.

[Trey Kirby]

I'm really sorry to all our fans. I own taking this risk. Surprised it came up fifth after this year. I thought we were due some luck. I mean, do you want your GM to believe in the basketball gods? Yeah, you do?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Trey Kirby]

But also you also want them to know the probability.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, it's still basically 50, 50, but yeah, like, yeah, unpack this here, Tess. This, this Pacers, Clippers going to lac.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, trading the number five pick for Avita Zubots essentially. You know, you throw in Benedict Matheran and Isaiah Jackson also going to Los Angeles. It's a very different trade here. Well, the Clippers overall, they gave up on this season and then they decided to trade James Harden away for Darius Garland. So short term here this next year in Kawhi Leonard's eyes has got to be a huge win. We shall see what they are next year. But obviously, yeah, the Clippers, they won the coin flip. Lawrence Frank did it again. I guess that's why he got the extension. I guess this is huge for the Clippers.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I mean they get, not only did they get Zubots, they also got the 20, 29 first. That's pretty incredible for Zubots. A zero time all star, a zero time all NBA player. He was okay last year. He wasn't great. I think he's going to fit nice for the Pacers for sure. But the Clippers went from having a 0% chance of having a pick period.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

To getting the highest pick they could possibly get. And they got Darius Garland. Who knows what they'll end up doing with Matheran. But at the very least you got Garland as a young guy. You got whoever they drafted. Number five as a young guy.

[J. Skeets]

Probably.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. It's a pathway to at least a new team.

[Tas Melis]

Oh yeah, absolutely.

[Trey Kirby]

And it felt like they were stuck with the Kawhi, Paul George, James Harden.

[J. Skeets]

Unless of course, the NBA finally wraps up their investigation into the aspiration scandal and take away this pick from the Clippers and nobody gets the pick with this one. Probably not happening. But we are still waiting to hear if there's any repercussions.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. And Kawhi, the, the very few words he said was and always aimed at next season. Even when they were getting better. He was always talking about Darius Garland getting right and practicing and playing with this team and getting used to them for next season. So their team, you know, it's them with hopefully a number five pick. As long as it's not taken away, it should be pretty solid going forward. So we'll see how long. You know, I, I outlined Kawhi because obviously one of the better players in the NBA could be a very good team if they all form together. But at some point Kawhi is going to want out as well. I mean he doesn't have many years left. So I think this year is extremely important. And who they get at number five will be important.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

They could trade him and I think they could trade quiet. He's got one year left on his deal. 50 million. Had a good season last year.

[J. Skeets]

There's some talk of they could be a team that even trades down in this draft. Like there's. Because there's this glut of guards here. It's like who do you want to pick from like the four or five guards when you get into that second tier and maybe they like somebody near the back, back end so you get something back. Because the Kings probably one of the losers here from draft lottery results. I mean falling all the way to seventh. The Nets also one of these team. The Nets are a big loser here. When you zoom out over the last couple of years, The Nets traded three first round picks and one first round swap to regain control over their 25 and 26 first round picks. So they could tank. So they could have control of those picks, be bad, and maybe hit in these lotteries instead. What did they do? They move down a combined five slots in these two lotteries and just like, they're. They're the Nets. Like, lottery luck is bad. I mean, if you look back since, like, you go Back to like 2010, when they've held their own pick, it like always drops. And when that pick that they had got to another team, it almost always at least stays the same, if not improves. So it's like when they hold it, it just always goes down. So I think. I don't think I'm, you know, breaking news here. The net sort of a loser here of this loaded top of this draft lottery slipping out.

[Tas Melis]

Totally. Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Them. Them and the Kings for being honest.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. The Kings drop in two spots. Do you want Brandon Ingram? The Toronto Raptors gotta be calling and saying, hey, you're not getting a great draft pick. You always just add players to this roster and make it a hodgepodge of players that aren't gonna be all that great. You don't want to keep Demonta Sabonis. What about that trade? Straight up. It's very straight up. Straight up. Essentially, you know, the money is pretty similar. Yeah. Just.

[J. Skeets]

Okay, so just to clarify. Nope. They're not giving up the number 7 pick is what you said.

[Tas Melis]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But because you don't get a draft pick.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

You have to basically do the same thing you just did, which is, you know, a Zach Levine, DeMar DeRozan type of team. So come on, bring on in. Brandon Ingram. That's what the Raptors, I'm sure I'm are calling about. Who owned the Pacers number five pick once upon a time, because the Pacers number five pick was traded to them for Pascal Siakam. I mean, it wasn't number five at the time, but it was one of those three trades that they ended up turning into Brandon Ingram. And then New Orleans traded it back to the Indiana Pacers and, you know, that whole thing of a jig. That is crazy. It is crazy.

[Trey Kirby]

The fifth pick.

[Tas Melis]

They could have had the fifth pick. Yeah. The three picks that they got for Pascal Siakam ended up being Jacoby Walter, this one for Ingram, and then one that they traded to the Jazz, that whole Ochay Abaji trade.

[J. Skeets]

Right.

[Tas Melis]

But interesting stuff. Yeah. Kings easily a loser. It feels like they're just going to keep on doing the same thing. And the Raps would be extremely happy to go get a DeMartis opponent. I think over Brandon Ingram. I know it's a reach. I know it's a reach, but it's a better.

[Trey Kirby]

Kings should not do that.

[Tas Melis]

No, no, no. The King should not do that.

[J. Skeets]

I don't think the Raptors should do it either. So this is a classic, like, lose, lose. I don't want to have Sabonas on our team.

[Tas Melis]

You don't think it's a better playoff player than what Brandon Ingram was?

[Trey Kirby]

No, they're both bad playoffs.

[J. Skeets]

I gotta be honest.

[Tas Melis]

Well, he could be the new Carl Anthony Towns. I mean, the Raptors need passers. They need guys to set up the rest of their players. They don't have them, and that would be ideal for them. Either way, big loser for the Kings.

[J. Skeets]

Any other winners or losers? TK From Sunday's results.

[Trey Kirby]

The Pelicans are losers for sure. They could have had the fifth and eighth pick in this year's draft, and instead they traded away both of them last year.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, I guess it could have been worse.

[Trey Kirby]

It could have been worse.

[J. Skeets]

You know, the pick, the pick did go into the eighth spot there. So, yeah, that's why I have the

[Trey Kirby]

Hawks as, like, a minor loser as well. It was looking like they were going to get the number one pick early in the season, but then New Orleans tried really hard down the stretch and made their odds less favorable. And down like an eighth. Still good for the Hawks. They had no pick coming into last summer, and instead they're getting a top 10. But still, you would have liked to see one through three for sure.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, absolutely.

[Tas Melis]

And then, yeah, that Hawks pick, essentially, it's Asa Newell and this eight pick for Derek Queen. Are they going to get a better player at 8 than Derek Queen?

[Trey Kirby]

I don't know.

[Tas Melis]

We'll see what Derek Queen becomes because it's still young. He's still super, super young, but looks like a very talented player. It's an interesting. We'll look back on this a few years from now and see if the Hawks made a good pick because it ended up at number eight. It looked awesome for a long time.

[J. Skeets]

The Bucks at 10th and the warriors there in the 11th slot. You know, I guess losers in terms of their fan bases and franchises. Like, they could have used a real big hit here, jumping way up into the top four with, you know, the whole Giannis and Milwaukee situation, and then obviously the older team in Golden State. So they don't really move much at all. They're just there. Everybody was convinced one of them was going to basically win. This thing especially. There was a lot of Talk about the warriors all watch. You just watch Steve Kerr just re signed. What does he know? And instead they just stay here at the back end of the lottery.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep. And I mean, the Thunder just. You got to feel terrible for not moving up, having to stay 12th. That sucks. If you're a Thunder fan, you must be just completely devastated today.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Especially because they're going to draft, like, Yaxel Lindenborg and he's going to be amazing right away. Slot right in.

[Trey Kirby]

Did they draft a guy? They drafted a guy 14th last year. He didn't even play Thomas Sorber.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He was a lottery pick.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

They have lottery picks that never play. Nikola Topic was a top 10 pick as well. He played like 4 seconds this season.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, they'll be okay. They'll be okay. Any other draft thoughts here before we take a break and get into some basketball talk?

[Tas Melis]

Not me.

[J. Skeets]

No, no, no. Anything else?

[Trey Kirby]

No. Did you think AJ Debancer looked sad that he was going to be going to Washington? I just thought he looked serious.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Serious is probably a better way to put it. I always do, like when they make them take the photo holding all the hats.

[Super Producer JD]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Check the hats.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Look at how many hats I can hold. How many hats do you think you can hold?

[Trey Kirby]

Over 50.

[Tas Melis]

Easily. Easily. They're stacked.

[J. Skeets]

No, no, I was talking about the stack. You can't stack them. No, because they.

[Trey Kirby]

They, like straight across.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Like, you know, they take them. No, they're not stacked, like, top. You know, they're like. So it's a good photo. Right. So you can see all the details.

[Trey Kirby]

He's got six hats.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. How many could you do? Could you do all 30 teams? Should we buy 30 hats? I think I could. I think we could. Yeah. You need help? You need help? Somebody putting them on.

[Trey Kirby]

Somebody's gotta stack them for you.

[J. Skeets]

Of course you're not gonna be able to do it yourself.

[Tas Melis]

Well, 30. That's a lot.

[J. Skeets]

It's a lot of hats. All right, let's hear your thoughts on the draft results there. Were you a big winner? Was your fan base or your team a big winner yesterday? Or did you fall? Are you a Nets or Kings fan? Let us know there in the comments how happy or sad you are after Sunday's results. We're going to take a quick break here a little earlier than normal, and then we'll get into last night's NBA games. FanDuel is giving you better payouts on same game parlays all playoffs long with more ways to build and more value every time you play you can stack your picks like you're stacking hats your way for every game, every matchup and every moment. From spreads to player points to threes and more. Build it all into the same game parlay and just go for bigger payouts without. So if you're betting same game parlays this NBA postseason, bet them on FanDuel. More options, better payouts all NBA playoffs long head to FanDuel sportsbook app to get started. FanDuel, the official partner of the NBA. Play your game. All right, time for hoops talk and we'll start with Anthony Edwards delivering 16 of his 36 points in the fourth quarter to help the Wolves even their second round series against the spurs on Sunday night with the 114, 109 victory following the stunning ejection there of Victor Wembanyama early in the second quarter of game four. Let's start there with the Wemby ejection. Nas Reed aggressively boxing Wemby out. Spur center got tangled up with some Wolves players including Jaden McDaniels and Wemby not happy about it. So he just chucks a clear elbow, connects squarely with Nasrid's chin, he goes down. And after review, the referees assessed Wembanyama a flagrant two foul and he was ejected. He had to ask Harrison Barnes, what the hell is a flagrant 2 foul? That means you're out of here. Okay, I'm out of here.

[Tas Melis]

What happened?

[J. Skeets]

Holy moly. This was obviously huge to the game though. Great fight from the spurs and they were up in the fourth quarter and we'll unpack that. But the two questions off this TAS are one, was this a warranted flagrant two ejection for Wembanyama? And then two, is that it? Are we done there or will the league suspend women Yama for game five or more moving forward, what do you

[Tas Melis]

think unquestionably deserve to be tossed from this game? I think the big winner is Jaden McDaniels for hitting Wemby in the head. That got him so frustrated that he said, I'm sick and tired of this. Because all the talk before that hit was, well, this guy is handling all this physical play so well. He is so calm. And you're right, Nas Reed a mean box box out. He's the winner from last night too. Guy got hit over and over and over again, but just kept going. But then Jaden McDaniels hits him over the head and he's so mad he throws an elbow. Will he get suspended? I don't think so. I think the. I think he paid his dues in terms of playoff dues. You are ejected from a game early. So I think that's fine. I think we are where we are. Done and done.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he definitely deserved to be ejected. Cause that was a brutal elbow. That's like the kind of elbow that left Bill Cartwright with his voice, you know, right in the throat to Nas Reed. He's sending a message for sure. He's protecting himself. Mitch Johnson said as much in post games. Like he's getting hacked all the time. Of course he's going to try and protect himself. But when you're 7 foot 5, your elbows are just going to end up high. So if he's, if Wemmy's throwing elbows like that, it's not surprising that he's going to hit somebody in the head. That's just how he's. His body is. Will he get suspended? I lean towards no. But this ain't too different than Meta World Peace. James Harden back in the day. Now look, Meta World Peace had a monster track record at the time. This is Wemby's first ejection. He's one of the poster boys for the NBA. So I think it's doubtful they suspend him. But if they came down with a 1 gamer, I'd be like, okay, that was a bad elbow.

[Tas Melis]

Right. But the spurs lost. And I think that's part of the equation too. Interesting. If, if they win, it's different. It's. They're up 3:1 here in this scenario. I think it is a little different where you kind of paid your dues.

[J. Skeets]

Well, no, that. I, I think what you said earlier, the time of when it happened is huge. Because I do wonder if this happens in the fourth quarter. Oh, halfway through the fourth where he's frustrated, chucks a bow, pops him in the face, gets ejected rightfully so would he then get a game suspension? But because it was like he only played what, 12 minutes of this. It was like this was almost in a weird way the one game suspension which like you said, they go on to lose.

[Trey Kirby]

Right?

[J. Skeets]

I'm saying I do not think he's going to get a suspension here. I don't. I think he'll be playing in game five. But look, he's going to have to keep putting up with this, right? He's going to face this for the rest of his career.

[Tas Melis]

Oh yeah.

[J. Skeets]

This physicality. But this game was. I mean they were letting a lot go in this. So the frustration even early in the game was building to the Point where he's like doing the get off me and he's chucking bows and he caught him. Yeah, and, and there was a lot of like, you know, I mean, I'm sure you guys seen Dylan Harper's reaction in the moment real time when he saw the elbow connect with Nas written, he goes, oh yeah.

[Tas Melis]

But he was also doing that all before the Wemby elbow. I think he was reacting to guys on top just, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Draped all over him maybe.

[Tas Melis]

But Wemmy had been acting so calmly again until that one elbow for several, several games. Like we talked about. Bismack, Beambo in practice is hitting him and he seems to be calm every single game until that moment when if Nas Reed isn't an undersized player, maybe if he's Rudy Gobert and he's 71, he gets it in the chest area instead of the neck area. Maybe it's not a suspension or, or an ejection, I should say, but that deserved an ejection.

[J. Skeets]

How about the pop from the crowd after Zack Zarba got on the mic and said flagrant too. Wow, the place goes absolutely berserk. I did like Harrison Barnes, like we talked about telling him. Whether you believe Wemby didn't know what it actually meant, who knows? But I like Wemby nodding away. He was clapping.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes sir.

[J. Skeets]

Then he started high fiving everybody. I mean he handled the ejection pretty calmly. And credit to the Wolves PA team for playing Michael Jackson's Beat it while he was leaving the floor. You know, you get a lot of hit the road Jack and all that. I like to beat it. You get.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

With the timing of the Michael movie out right now, I thought well played all around. And then, you know, obviously it impacted the game. But the spurs put up a hell of fight. Incredible third quarter from them.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, I just flashback to the four times that they beat OKC this season. They had all of their guys running all of the time. Makes or misses, especially on makes they'd have. It didn't matter who it was. Dylan Harper's so good last night. So, so good. Darren Fox up and down the Stefan Castle, even some Keldon Johnson at times. Devon Vas. Every single guy would run it down and they would pick who they wanted to play against. If they had a matchup, they would play it. And, and that's what they did all last night. And I thought that was so impressive to respond like that. So we had a great game. I mean it went down to Deer and Fox gave him a lead with 4:40 left. He hit that shot. But then the weird thing to me was the next possession he comes down. Felt like a heat check. Three ball without one pass. I didn't really, didn't really understand that. And then, you know, he missed the rest of the way. He kind of hesitated with Rudy Gobert sort of close to him on his next opportunity, but could have just shot that and. Yeah, then in and out. So he went for four after that. Yeah, it was a fun, fun.

[J. Skeets]

I mean, it came down to the two clutch guys on both sides, like who came through and who didn't in game four. And Ant was hitting all these tough shots, hit a couple big threes, had that huge put back to extend the lead where Fox was obviously missing down the stretch there.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, Fox had three midis that he definitely could have made and that he made in the first half of the fourth quarter and just it wasn't there later on. But I actually kind of thought Ant carried them to the finish line and it was the other Wolves that got him over. I thought it was pretty funny when he was asked postgame and about it and it felt like he was negging like Nas Reed and Rudy Gobert. He said they made small time plays. I was like, what? How dare you say that about things like. But coach says small time plays equal. Big time wins.

[J. Skeets]

Saved it. Yeah, you got me.

[Tas Melis]

You got me, Anthony. True stuff.

[Trey Kirby]

Randle grabbing offensive boards or like that little floater pass he gave to Gobert throws it down. Gobert was a monster on the glass. Nas Reed had the nice dish to go bear underneath. He was playing well, playing big. So the spurs, you know, they didn't have Wemby. They tried Luke Cornett during the first half of the fourth quarter. It wasn't going well. He was looking a little bit out of gas, maybe a little bit over tasked having to step in for Wemby. Then they tried the small lineup and couldn't grab a rebound.

[J. Skeets]

Yep.

[Trey Kirby]

So it was those small time plays by the big guys that it adds up to a big win. Anthony Edwards, he was cooking.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, my God.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, my God.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, he. Yeah, like.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, he got completely exhausted. He was not good. He was not good the last five minutes. He did have the, the one put back, but he was a big part of the reason that the Wolves almost threw this one away too. I'm Convinced if Game 1 and Game 4 were 49 minutes long, this would have been a sweep for San Antonio because the last minute was brutal for Minnesota. I don't know what they were trying to do they got saved by IO Da Sumo's foot. That's a foot catch since Nebraska Football 97.

[J. Skeets]

That was wild. I mean, they had to get it obviously into the front court because of how close they were to the back. Yeah. Long pass coming up and. Oh, my God. Yeah. IO Desumo. Yeah. It sort of gets undercut a little bit by Fox. They're both going for the ball. And then it hits the back of his leg. And then, like, he nearly fumbled it away and somehow kept it in bounds. Otherwise, pretty cool. Pulled this off.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Edwards definitely gassed. You saw him go into the tunnel. He literally grabbed an oxygen mask. You don't see that very often in NBA history, I don't think. I mean, it was a really quick spurt on the oxygen mask, and then he got right back out there with just for a quick squirt. And, yeah, he. He obviously had an incredible fourth quarter until that point. Yeah, the spurs just. They couldn't close it out, but a lot of fight to get there. And Anthony Edwards also said post game, talked a little trash to a Spurs rookie.

[Trey Kirby]

He said.

[Tas Melis]

I guess he was talking about Dylan Harper. He's like, I would have packed it on him. I would have dunked on him.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

But for that, if my knees were good, you know? So admitting those knees obviously aren't right, but pretty funny that he's talking trash about. I would have killed that rookie, essentially. Pretty funny.

[J. Skeets]

I believe him.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Yeah, he looks freaking good. I mean, he's. He's able to pick whatever side he wants to go on or if he's gonna pull up from three, and he was hammering and he was hitting them. He looks so good.

[J. Skeets]

Like, dapped up Mitch Johnson after he has.

[Tas Melis]

That was very fun.

[J. Skeets]

Last night's game four, to me, was a perfect example of why you should never live tweet during a game. Because when I tell you the things I would have tweeted about Julius Randle through this game, for the first 45 minutes or so, I thought he was complete garbage. I thought he was blowing it. I was getting, like, secondhand embarrassment watching him first off try and guard any of the guards on the Spurs. He was getting cooked by anyone that he got matched up on. Like, and that's a tough cover. I get that. But he was coughing the ball up all night. Some, like, crazy ones. There was that fast break one where he just completely gave it away. I'm like, what are you doing, man? But then he totally redeemed himself. Like you said, Trey at the end, he had some big Boards beautiful. Well, sort of a crazy Randall player. He's like he just isoed on Castle. He's way bigger. So he like sort of like came from the three point line, curled in, back down, spun and then Cordette came over to help and that was a beautiful little dump off to Rudy Gobert. So I thought like brutal for the most part game from Randall but right at the end made some big, big plays.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, watching him against the Fawn Castle before Wemby win out. I thought this was supposed to be sort of an advantage of his size wise. The spurs are going to be small aside from Wemby, but Stefan Castle had a really, really solid game and was winning that battle for a long time until the end. But lots of wolves. Trey mentioned the Rudy Gobert plays. I mean he got hit by Wemby in the face once. The offensive boards, I mean they had 12 second chance points in the first quarter. The Wolves did, led by Rudy Gobert. Naz Reed was huge. Conley splashed a couple shots. They all got them to that point at the end of the game. I shouldn't say all. I mean there's lots of guys who missed a lot of shots. But I thought the nas, the Conley, the Rudy for sure.

[J. Skeets]

That huge like lay up there screaming. Yeah, it wasn't. And one where he's screaming to the rim there and then obviously.

[Tas Melis]

And his foot. Nice footwork.

[J. Skeets]

So lucky. So lucky.

[Tas Melis]

It was so lucky.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, but he grabbed it.

[Tas Melis]

You can't call a kickball in that situation.

[Trey Kirby]

No, just hit his offense, can't kick the ball. So you're right.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, and it's just like hit him like way up on the leg too.

[Trey Kirby]

I thought it was a foot ant. Shouted out Roddy White of the Atlanta Falcons on that one. What a pull from Anthony Edwards. Like I mean Julio Jones would have probably been the guy I would have thought of if I'm a Falcons fan like him. But Roddy White, maybe he did a foot catch at some point.

[J. Skeets]

Roddy White, he was already tweeting about it. He was happy to get his name referenced there on the broad. So best of three series here we all sounds like we all think Wemby will be there for game five. I guess we find out today or probably find out today with the game tomorrow. I mean is this one just still set up for a classic seven game series? It's sure leaning towards that.

[Tas Melis]

Well, maybe. I mean I just think both games are going to be close no matter what. Spurs could win five and six. You know, I guess the Wolves could, too.

[J. Skeets]

It's what we anticipated. This is going to be a hell of a. That's why they've been super close, because that was like, look, I was getting worried, obviously, picking the wolves in this. I'm like, oh, my God, no, Wemby. And I'm like, I don't know if that's a good thing with this Wolves team. And then they were down, what was it, eight or nine points, and it's like this is their season right here. And Ant sort of just saved them. And then everybody else contributed at the end, but I don't think they're coming back three one against this talented spurs team. So, yeah, now it's best of three and we'll find out the pivotal game five tomorrow night.

[Trey Kirby]

This is a pivotal.

[J. Skeets]

This is a pivotal one.

[Trey Kirby]

This one's a definite pivotal.

[J. Skeets]

That could be. Whoever wins game five goes on to win.

[Trey Kirby]

And I mean, a huge part of it will be the decision from the league office if Wemby plays or not because he had A poor game one on the offensive end. Obviously had the 12 blocks in that game, set the playoff record, but wasn't much offensively. And then the games he played well offensively, the spurs totally dominated, including that game Friday when he looked like he was from another realm.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, yeah, right, right.

[Trey Kirby]

That Friday performance by Wemby was sick. So if he's able to play in the final three games, I think advantage spurs having home court advantage as well. But if he has to miss Game 5, like, that's a total toss up.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. We'll wait to find out. I'm glad you brought up that Friday, which feels like an eternity ago at this point, but that was an incredible. The fourth quarter alone, his stat line was insane.

[Trey Kirby]

Like the fade away.

[J. Skeets]

He's crazy, man.

[Trey Kirby]

He's literally like, yeah, I had to do a Hakeem Olajuwon move. No big deal. Just tossed it off, guys.

[J. Skeets]

Had an eventful nine playoff games in his career already. When you consider the concussion and the huge performances and then the ejection.

[Tas Melis]

He learned. He learned it from Hakeem. He said that right? Because he has had tutorials from Hakeem. I've had that.

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[Tas Melis]

This. This series has been so good. That's why it's impossible to predict things. I thought Dylan Harper was sort of the difference for a long time in this game, like he was going to put them over the top. I thought he was amazing.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, my God.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he's gonna be their second best player next year.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

They're not going to be able to bring him off the bench.

[J. Skeets]

He's so freaking good. I mean they were. Reggie Miller was like he was going. He was fawning over him, let's say on the broadcast and rightfully so. Goddamn. Every bucket is like. It is like what that guy's a rookie. How he's so in poised and like through contact and yeah, he was monster.

[Trey Kirby]

Guys all over him. Seven rebounds. Like they played small and he was probably their best rebounder.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tas Melis]

And he came through with a block and a steal late in this game. He did everything. It looked really, really good. I'm sure Reggie was the one making comparisons to Manu Ginobly. Right. Because he is left handed. He does come off the bench.

[J. Skeets]

They made some comparisons like what may have been Crawford but like I think Brunson. He was given a Brunson comparison to him. A bigger Brunson. See the vision and then maybe did Cade get brought up too? I can't remember if they did or not. Anyway, he's great. He's a star already.

[Trey Kirby]

He's shooting 55% from the field, 40% from three in his. His first playoffs as a rookie.

[J. Skeets]

That's pretty solid. Pretty solid. So game five tomorrow night and we'll wait to see what the league does with Wemby. Let's hear from you and the Stream team. You think he'll be suspended? Think he deserves to be suspended?

[Trey Kirby]

No.

[J. Skeets]

Fine. Where, what do you, where do you go with this one? I don't. I do not know why unless you were obviously a Wolves fan, why you would ever like if you're just a neutral NBA fan, I don't know why you would be like cheering for a Game 5 suspension. I don't get that. Personally, I'd like to see them battle it out here as they have been. But yeah, I don't know. Also like Silver's not doing it or who's in charge. James Jones. No, and I don't think it's right. I think he got ejected. It was early enough in the game, had an impact on the game. He's got no track record of this stuff. Yeah. Move on. Let's play.

[Trey Kirby]

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[Tas Melis]

The guy has been given the small gesture. Too small for me in each series. CG McCollum did it to him. Tyrese Maxey did it to him. He'll get it in the next round too I'm sure. Starting for OG Anunoby. They win two games without og oh yeah, no problem. It is a different offense with Carlton Anthony tens out there rifling it around. You think in the first three games of this playoff series or this playoff run for the Knicks and then afterwards where they change it up and went to Cat passing around and everybody talking about Cat and how he's evolved, you'd think that his numbers just in general have gone up well before those assists he was 21 points per game. He dropped to 16 points per game after that. But it's just so different. He's just a part of everything, making everything a part of everything. He jumped from three assists to eight assists per game. Since they're good, this is the best Knicks we've seen. How can they not go to the NBA Finals? How can they not? I know it's too early to call it, but how can they not against whether it's the Pistons or the Cavs?

[J. Skeets]

Anyway, they're going to the NBA Finals if they're hitting 25 threes in a game, I'll tell you that. 25 threes on 44 attempts, that's 57%. And they tied the record for most threes by a single team in a playoff game. And this game was over after the first quarter.

[Trey Kirby]

They were 11 for 13 from 3 in the first quarter. That's a ridiculous number to see. I blame the Boston Celtics on this.

[J. Skeets]

Go on.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, Philadelphia won their championship by beating the Celtics in game seven of the first round, Right?

[J. Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

Celtics would have definitely given the Knicks a better run here. And this is coming from a guy who picked Sixers and seven.

[J. Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

So them blowing this cost us a decent second round series here because the Sixers had nothing. And I also put a lot of it on beat. Like he had a pretty good game yesterday, 24 points on 8 of 8 shooting. But he can't. He played. Game one, didn't look good. Sixers blowout. They shouldn't have played him that game. So they didn't play him. Game two, had a chance to win, didn't win, brought him back. Game three, for some reason completely threw off Maxi's rhythm. They were playing through Embiid the entire time in game three. I thought game four was a little bit better job of at least splitting the responsibilities between Maxi and Embiid. But they like to be in the second round of the playoffs and you're wondering, will we get the number one usage guy on our team to play? Will he have any sort of legs? That's just not a way you should go into a playoff series. So it felt like they were beat going into game four. And then the Knicks caught fire. 11 for 13 and it was just over. And so I just. The Sixers, what a weird season. Like, I think this is an encouraging season for the Sixers to play as well as they did. To see Maxi take a step to being like a all NBA. He'll probably be second team all NBA this year. He was in the mix For MVP at one point, at least getting votes. Paul George had a great playoffs up until this game. For the most part. Those are encouraging signs. Edgecombe, a really great player, but you get smashed the way they did. Losing in a sweep and losing by basically 50 points in your last game. Getting booed off the court by Knicks fans in your own building. That's like just a classic depressing end to the season for the Sixers. Yeah, same old same.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Just a different route to get there.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, I mean, the Knicks are rolling right now too. Like they don't want to break. I know. It's nice to get OG some time here to rest up. And they have maybe some older guys that could use the days off as they wait for the Pistons Cavaliers to do whatever they're gonna do in their series and how long that goes. But like they are just, they. The Knicks have found right now the perfect balance between high end talent and then the depth and Mike Brown getting contributions from these guys that come in here and they're just clicking. I don't know what the hell happened in that locker room after that Game 3 loss to Atlanta, but dating back to the Game 4 win over the Hawks in the first round, they've won their last seven games by an average of 26.4 points. They've had a true shooting percentage of 66.2% over this break. In the two closeout games against the Hawks and 76ers, they won by a combined 81 points. We're always told that's the toughest game to win. The one where you put a team to bed for their season. That's the toughest. That's been the easiest for the Knicks as they play just elite basketball. Like people, Knicks fans that have been Knicks fans for like 40 years are like, this is the best the Knicks have ever looked. And they're not wrong.

[Trey Kirby]

They could easily be 8 and O in the playoffs, right?

[J. Skeets]

Yes. With the two losses, if C.J.

[Trey Kirby]

mcCollum misses two shots. Eight. No, sure.

[J. Skeets]

So yeah, they are going to be heavy favorites, as they should be, I think, against obviously the Pistons who played them well in the regular season and the Cavaliers who have not like impressed by any imagination here so far?

[Tas Melis]

No. Yeah. They're obviously they're rolling behind. Would you even consider Carl Anthony Towns on the defensive end a liability right now like we've always have since he's been with the New York Knicks? Doesn't feel that way just because he's so involved offensively. Mike Brown adopting what demonte Sabonis used to do in Sacramento for him. That's why Demonte Sabonis on the Toronto Raptors, you got to do it. But Carl Anthony Towns just feels like he's involved every single possession. He's not just standing around. It isn't just Jalen Brunson bringing up the ball. So I thought coming into this postseason, the second round matchup against the Boston Celtics, who was supposed to be them, would slow down their whole playoff momentum. But it's easier than last year now considering obviously they're playing better. But last year they had the Pistons, then the Celtics, then they lost to the Pacers in the third round instead. Very different here. And there was a Hawks and there

[J. Skeets]

was injuries piling up for the Knicks last year, which we sort of do forget about. That's not to discredit what the Pacers did in that incredible run. But there was a lot of guys banged up, getting injured, you know, starting to come out of the lineup as that went on. Like the playoffs are like, it's a war of attrition at some point. So this is huge to obviously not mess around. Wrap this up.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. And now get to Brunson was banged up last year.

[J. Skeets]

Oh yeah. Robinson was out.

[Tas Melis]

It's like you OG because how good they have been with Carlton Towns leading the way. That's rolled into Mikel Bridges playing way better and so many guys playing so well. It's like OG Anunoby right here, right now. He can leave him out for a couple games just, just cuz they're absolutely cooking. But you want him to come back.

[J. Skeets]

That was our thinking when we had, when he picked up the injury. We talked about it here like, oh, do you think he'll play the game three? And we're like probably not. Because they're like, they don't need to like rush them back at all. They feel so confident. Right. They're getting contributions like you can bring these guys in. I mean Shamon had a big game on Friday night, right. So yeah, they're okay. They're like. They just get to rest them and he'll be. He'll have been off like it's going to be like 10 plus days. Isn't it good by the time they play. I don't, I don't think it starts until the 17th or 19th, the conference finals. It's the 11th today. Yeah, he's got a hell of a break here for the hamstring. Any other thoughts on Nick's sweepin?

[Trey Kirby]

I thought Bridges played a really, really great series. 18 per game. 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 64% from the field. And his defense on Maxi was pretty good. Like Maxi for the series ended up at 18 a game on 43% shooting. After lighting things up in the first round, he had a couple of big scoring games, but even those were inefficient. And Mikhail Bridges was a huge question mark even in the Hawks series until he exploded in game six. Carried over into this series as well. But there were times during the regular season when Mike Brown with was going with Landry shamit or Deuce McBride over McHale bridges as like their perimeter stopper. This was a big responsibility to be able to stick Maxing. I thought he did a really, really good job while also still having enough juice to contribute on the offensive end as well. So that's encouraging for New York. It feels like everybody's like Brunson. We barely even mention him right now because everybody else is playing so well. But he's out of good playoffs. Towns has taken. Has changed his game and has taken a step forward. I don't really think there's a big man to test him defensively in the Eastern Conference. Like, okay, Embiid went for one, eight for eight. But okay, he's hitting tough shots and you're getting so much back on the offensive end that it doesn't matter. OG was their best player through six games, basically. And then Bridges has been solid as well. Good performances from the bench. They look like the team to beat in the east for sure.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. 25 of their threes, I think in game four, 21 of them were assisted too. So, like, the ball is just the player movement, the ball movement, it's clicking offensively. The numbers they've just put up in this series were astronomical. Like offensive rating wise and, you know, especially because then there was a bunch of garbage time in game four and that sort of brought it down a little bit. Impressive stuff. Nixon to the. Into the final four. Do you think they care at all who they would rather play, be it Pistons or Cavs or just like with the. The way they're playing right now, it's

[Tas Melis]

like, come on, I think they'd rather play the Calves.

[J. Skeets]

Let's get home court advantage in that scenario too.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Which is big.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. But there's a, a tough level to the Pistons that the Caps can't match. The Knicks feel like they can outscore the Cavs while the Pistons play a little harder. I think, okay, they gotta, they gotta feel like they can outscore the Cats.

[J. Skeets]

I think they think they can outscore anyone Right.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't think they're really concerned.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Anything else?

[Trey Kirby]

A lot of Knicks fans there. A lot of Knicks fans. I mean, like, Sixers fans, though. They're like, I'll make back my season ticket Money. And we're down 30 anyways.

[J. Skeets]

Not at all. And like.

[Trey Kirby]

And it's Mother's Day, these Knicks fans

[J. Skeets]

are going because it's way cheaper than to go to the Garden in New York. It's so close. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of just Knicks fans in the Philadelphia area anyway, so. Not. I mean, it's. It's alarming to see that many Knicks fan, like, or visiting fans in a barn. But, like, no, I don't blame anyone at all.

[Trey Kirby]

Maxi said it was louder for the Knicks in Philadelphia than it was in Madison Square Garden.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah. Because they're like, wow, we never get to see our team play.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, exactly.

[J. Skeets]

This is cool. And we're like. I mean, also, they were hammering them. It was like they got to celebrate the entire game after they, you know, Deuce McBride hit his fourth three in a row. It's basically a party for the rest of the afternoon.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. When you have. When you're in opposing barn, too, you gotta be loud. When you're at home, it's a little more chill, but. So you're saying they sold season seats in general?

[Trey Kirby]

I'm gonna say I'm not surprised that people that would have had Philadelphia 76 or season tickets see the season coming to an end and say, all right, I'll sell this ticket for a thousand bucks.

[Tas Melis]

Right. All right. Has it been documented how many they sold? I'm just wondering.

[Trey Kirby]

I haven't checked the ticket.

[J. Skeets]

Here, let me text my buddy.

[Trey Kirby]

Judging by the. The demographics and the jerseys that look like about 75% of Sixers fans sold their tickets. There was. It was like the wall for the Knicks.

[J. Skeets]

It was crazy.

[Trey Kirby]

They were holding up their Mitchell Robinson dunking on Joel Embiid photos, and it looked no different than if they were playing a Madison Square Garden.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Game four was a big. A big increase versus Game three. Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Because they're down three zero. And, like, Tracy. Well, that's a wrap. I think we have no chance, so let's make a little money back on these. And I've got, yeah, Mother's Day plans here. Let's take a moment.

[Trey Kirby]

Anything else?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, everything's dead.

[J. Skeets]

And whoever did that, they made the right decision. Yeah. You know, you don't love to see it, maybe, you know, still support the team. But come on.

[Tas Melis]

At a certain point, Mother's Day is a great day to do things that you think, oh, it'll be busy. People be out there. But it's not true.

[J. Skeets]

Really?

[Super Producer JD]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Went to Costco yesterday, thinking Costco's on week, on weekends, always busy, right? Mother's Day, not so much. Cruising, nice cruising. Open lanes.

[J. Skeets]

What'd you get? Anything fun?

[Tas Melis]

Oh, very fun stuff at Costco.

[J. Skeets]

What'd you get?

[Tas Melis]

Oh, I got some dried figs. Thanks for asking.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, the big bag.

[Tas Melis]

Big bag.

[Trey Kirby]

I got that big bag. Smyrna dried figs, straight from Smyrna. Oh, my God, they're so good. Never thought a cat butthole would look so delicious.

[Tas Melis]

Great. Got to return them now.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, thanks.

[Tas Melis]

I need.

[J. Skeets]

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[Tas Melis]

That's a question for me, Brian Bellows. Listen, when we were [e-mail]. well, actually, we were looking at the PDF that we were sent.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. For Bellows Ball. Yes.

[Tas Melis]

Yes. We were all mesmerized. Right. I mean, we were looking through this. This was extensive. How much work Gustav put into this?

[J. Skeets]

Is this. Just go to blowsports.com and just like you have your mind blow a little. Mind blown. It's perfect. It's. It's. It's. This is one for the ages here. But thank you, Gustav.

[Tas Melis]

And you think that URL was taken before?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. How'd you get blue sports.com?

[Tas Melis]

yeah, pretty good URL.

[J. Skeets]

We gotta snatch that up.

[Trey Kirby]

Who do you think should have been using it before?

[Tas Melis]

That's a great question. I don't really have a good answer for them. Who would be using blowsports.com? i mean, just Teams that are bad.

[J. Skeets]

Let's say the Wizards, like the Wizards should have that redirected to their website.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, something, something.

[Trey Kirby]

It's like a tankathon could follow under the Blow Sports umbrella.

[J. Skeets]

Right?

[Trey Kirby]

You could do it for every sport.

[Tas Melis]

Every sport.

[J. Skeets]

All right, well, lowboy of the night goes to Deuce McBride. Please call him by his government name. Miles McBride scored a playoff career high 25 points in that Knicks series, clinching game four seven to ten from the floor. All of his makes coming from three. Deuce. Just letting him rip from deep out of four boards, one steal, zero turnovers in 29 minutes of action. So it was gonna be. It was between Ant and Deuce, but I thought, why not give Deuce some love. Congratulations, Deuce McBride. Your blowing sports and Illustrated history of Bellows Ball, Blow Ball and Blow Pong hardcover is in the mail. That's what you get for winning. Whoa, boy.

[Tas Melis]

Today

[J. Skeets]

you get this.

[Trey Kirby]

What is this? Deuce McBride with everybody else in the Knicks, they got like a week off to read this cool new book.

[Tas Melis]

They got mind blown.

[J. Skeets]

Mind blow. All right, game four. Look ahead. Before we go here, we've got two game fours tonight in Cleveland, in la. Let's start with the Pistons Cavs. I mean, you know, we didn't talk about it because it happened on Saturday, and there was a lot of other things happening with the games and the draft lottery, but Harden coming through finally did it. Yeah, you did, man. You absolutely called it. But he sort of, you know, them in the Cavs obviously keep their season alive. You know, they go down three. Oh, they're not winning this thing. So it's two one now. And what are you looking for tonight here from Cleveland side of things? And can they do this again?

[Tas Melis]

Can they do it again? Detroit, they did miss a decent amount of bunnies in this game. I thought they could have gotten off a little bit better. But the Cavs, they fought. Max Stru was given. I'm sure. I'm sure there was a Max stress level, let's pun it up. Amongst Cleveland Cavaliers fan. But Max Drew came through with these little classic glue guy moments where he's in front of Kate Cunningham, he's trying to inbound the ball underneath his own hoop. So he throws it off the bar, that connects the stanchion to the backboard. And then that huge steal catching it from Cade Cunningham on that inbound, you know, throwing it off of Jalen Dern early. He was a classic guy. Hard cuts, drives. His number, his numbers aren't spectacular, but I think he was Just doing the, the stuff that got him to the NBA Finals when he was with the Miami. He's just that kind of stuff. And then Harden took it home those last 90 seconds. Just set a pick, go up against Tobias or Duncan. Listen, I don't know. I don't have a great feeling for this game because the season here, it's. It's up for the Cleveland Cavaliers here in game four. They lose, it's over.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

I think.

[J. Skeets]

You don't think we get another three one.

[Tas Melis]

So, yeah, we feel good after that one, but who knows?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, watching. I watched this game in a bar in New Orleans and it was a weird game because, like, Cavs come out, you know, take control in the second quarter. You're like, okay, huge lead. All right, that's good. They're going to get this home win. But then the Pistons come storming back and I'm thinking, watching and going like, oh, that's it. You know, they gave up a huge lead here. They got momentum going. But then Harden comes through and Cade, man, he was brutal down the stretch. This was bad. Kade, I know he had triple double. These were brutal turnovers.

[Trey Kirby]

Three straight turnovers. Two and a half minutes left.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, rough, rough stuff.

[Trey Kirby]

Including that.

[J. Skeets]

So given the Cavs a lifeline there and they took advantage to get this win. But yeah, it's tough to sort of predict how this game will go tonight because from quarter to quarter you sort of get Jekyll and Hydes with some of these teams.

[Trey Kirby]

This series is very alive. It could be 3, 0 either way. All three games have been clutch and it's just been which stars have played better. Detroit star Cade Cunningham played better than Harden and Mitchell in Games 1 and 2. And Mitchell and Harden both outplayed Cade in the fourth quarter of Game 4. So that's kind of what it comes down to. I mean, three straight clutch buckets from Harden. Hit a jumper, hit a floater, hit a three pointer, and it was vintage hardened buckets as well. The crossover was nice. He had the step back where he fell down before the ball was basically out of his hand. Could have been an and one, but it wasn't. And they just look good. And it was Mo. It was Mitchell, I thought, kind of carried them. Yeah, up until the 5 minute mark and then he was happy to defer to Harden, who was looking effective. I thought Alan Mobley kind of had big performances as well. At least they, I think they probably played out, outplayed Jalen Duran. They had impacts. You know, neither of them had crazy huge numbers or anything like that.

[J. Skeets]

They left a lot of points on the board at the free throw line. Those two, too? Sure. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

But they made an impact inside, and their defense forced a ton of turnovers from Detroit. So turnovers and clutch play is kind of what it's all come down to in this series. So game four should be good.

[J. Skeets]

Yep. As for the other game tonight, 10:30, this one's on prime. The first one I should have said is on NBC. Peacock. But Thunder, Lakers. Is this the last time we see LeBron James play TAS in his career? Yeah, no, I know. You know the. I know you think the answer is no. I heard Friday, but sure feels that way. Okay.

[Tas Melis]

Hey, it could be.

[J. Skeets]

Right?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Listen, I'm just counting the smiles of OKC's players. I think they got the most smiles per game of any team in the league. They smile all. They're so comfortable with who they are, what they are, no matter what the game is. So we'll see if they can do another one. I mean, we gotta sort of got a Case and Wallace game in. Game number three, the Classic. Every year, you're gonna get a Case and Wallace game. Four threes for him.

[J. Skeets]

AJ Mitchell. Awesome.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, my gosh. AJ Mitchell. Yeah, he looks really, really good. Austin Re is gonna do some complaining tonight. It's like Luca never got injured. We gotta. We got Luca part two here. Awesome. Reese. Although I do think it was warranted for a couple times in this game.

[J. Skeets]

Game.

[Tas Melis]

He should have got a couple calls. Okay. Luke on the bench with a ball in his hand. The first stint of this game, until the first time out, he was just sitting there with the ball. But then after the timeout, the ball was out of his hands. Should a player on the bench ever have a ball in his hands? That's my question to you. I don't think the answer is yes. I think the answer is no. No, because it can always roll on the. Yeah, it could always roll on the floor. But he had it for, like, when

[J. Skeets]

we coach kids at the ymca, you can't. Yeah, like, kids always want to have a ball in their hands. No, I know, but there's a. We're saying no, you can't.

[Tas Melis]

I know. I agree.

[J. Skeets]

Under the chair.

[Tas Melis]

I agree. Yeah. Under the chair. Sure, sure. And that's. That's why I think it was asked after the first time, can I get that ball, dude? Because he's just sitting there with the ball the entire time. That's all I got to say. That's all my analysis from this series. I Know, it's just feels like it's over, baby.

[Trey Kirby]

It is. Every game is the same. The first half is pretty close. Lakers have led in the last two games point differential in the first half of this series. Plus five. Second half, it's a blowout for OKC every time. Plus 54 through three games. They've got 12 guys who could play for the Lakers and there's like three guys on the Lakers that would actually play for the Thunder.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tas Melis]

They're not ready for that perimeter defense.

[Trey Kirby]

And you're right, deandre Ayton ain't one of them. There was a great JJ Redick, I can't play him moment, and then he gave up another offensive rebound and got yanked. You had Dave pash calling out DeAndre8 and be like, he can't grab a defensive rebound. He's right there and he can't grab it.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. So I mean, will he, will he start tonight? Does J.J. really get. You know, I mean, you're right. They, they, they do okay in the first half, but a part of that feels like OKC is just like we'll. Just like we'll lean into this game or build in this game.

[Tas Melis]

That's what they. Reddick did last year was pull Jackson Hayes to play small. Yes, true. So I guess it was a rough

[J. Skeets]

weekend for Lakers fans though, when you consider like all of Friday after game three or game two was sort of them complaining about, you know, the officiating. Only then for the Thunder to have what, 10 free throws on Saturday total? Not a lot. You know, sga, I think had a majority of those, but it wasn't a crazy number, of course. And they still lose by 20 plus. So 17 threes. Yeah, it's not, not good. So I don't know, I think I thought I saw something saying Austin Reeves guarantees a win here tonight. I don't know. Came across my timeline. I don't know if it was real. I'm like, wow, okay, that's bold. I'm going to win game four.

[Trey Kirby]

We're going to get a win.

[J. Skeets]

Okay. Okay. Well, hopefully we get a little more basketball. Otherwise we have two series that were sweeps and then it's going to be a very sort of a fascinating schedule here for us with at most one game a night. You know, sort of like conference finals time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's like pre conference finals. Good point. So we'll see if Austin Reaves and The Lakers and LeBron can extend the series or do OKC just sweep here and remain undefeated. This is like a Fun storyline here. And it could go to 8. No here tonight. No team's ever done that. I don't think anyone expects that with either the spurs or Wolves lurking in the conference finals, let alone the Knicks in the finals or whoever comes out of the East. But the Thunder are awesome, too. So, you know, would it be. Would you put it past them to be like, oh, we could try that. We'll do that.

[Trey Kirby]

A 16 0.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, I mean.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, you. I. I definitely think they could sweep anybody from the Eastern Conference.

[J. Skeets]

Okay, so maybe it's this net conference finals one.

[Trey Kirby]

The Knicks are playing well.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

But also Jalen Williams isn't playing. They don't even have their second best player right now.

[J. Skeets]

I know, I know, man. It's amazing. It is amazing. All right, we'll see. We'll see what happens tonight. Sorry, I had a little brain fart there. Yeah. We'll watch basketball tonight and we'll talk about it tomorrow here at 10am Eastern. Hopefully you'll join us. Hit the like button. Subscribe five star ratings and reviews. Podcast listeners, get your questions in. You know, we'll be hitting the beach at some point this week. No dunks, inc.gmail.com.

[Tas Melis]

please send emails.

[J. Skeets]

There we go.

[Tas Melis]

Last time I said don't send emails. And in all honesty, we got a bunch that were pretty good. But you can send them on.

[J. Skeets]

Hey, bro, let me dap you up. You cleaned up that Gmail inbox real nice. That's clean in there right now.

[Tas Melis]

I knew you.

[J. Skeets]

You know how much joy that brings me.

[Tas Melis]

I know, I know, I know. I know. You were feeling it when it was in, like the 15, 000 unread.

[J. Skeets]

I couldn't. I couldn't even open it. I would get anxiety. I don't even. I was like, I gotta get out of here. You got it. I can't believe it. You did a lot of work.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. And it got JD and I to the pickleball tournament here in.

[J. Skeets]

Because you saw an email that said from last year.

[Tas Melis]

And I said, hey. Hey, dude. Hey. Hey, Ben of Carvana. Is this happening again? Oh, it's like. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[J. Skeets]

Wow. You found an email from a year ago about pickleball, like, tickets, and then this is awesome.

[Tas Melis]

Correct.

[J. Skeets]

Well, great work. Test.

[Tas Melis]

Well, yeah, it was more for J.D.

[Super Producer JD]

oh, it was awesome too.

[J. Skeets]

Was it? You saw your heroes.

[Super Producer JD]

My heroes?

[J. Skeets]

What do you mean? You saw the best pickleball players in the world.

[Super Producer JD]

I saw the best pickleball players in the world.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Okay, maybe not heroes.

[Tas Melis]

Not like the words.

[J. Skeets]

You saw Ben Bennerson.

[Super Producer JD]

And I saw Ben Johns.

[J. Skeets]

Oh. Ben Jones, John Benson.

[Tas Melis]

And.

[J. Skeets]

And who's the fantastic female player?

[Super Producer JD]

Anna Lee Waters.

[Trey Kirby]

Ah, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Annalie Waters got. I gotta remember that.

[Super Producer JD]

Yeah, it was all chalk. The whole day, just chalk. Like, you know, Ben Johns and then Ben Johns playing with Annelie Waters, then Annaly Waters. Then Annaly Waters won singles.

[J. Skeets]

It was just. But hold on, I thought there's like this 15 year old phenom that sort of like crashed the party.

[Super Producer JD]

Yeah, yeah, that He. He made it to the finals but got his ass handed to him by poor experience. No, not Ben. Ben doesn't play singles anymore.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, yeah?

[J. Skeets]

Why? Why not?

[Super Producer JD]

Single. Sucks. It's very tiring.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, he's old.

[Super Producer JD]

He's like 26. Wait, 27. I don't know. He's.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, he's 27. When I check, that's old. And pickleball.

[J. Skeets]

Hold on. I thought the whole thing about pickleball was you could play till you're like eight.

[Super Producer JD]

Young man's games.

[J. Skeets]

Oh my God. Wow. Skateboarding. Wow.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. In tennis you can be older and that's more ground to cover.

[J. Skeets]

Are you thinking about. I think Ben Johns can play.

[Super Producer JD]

Yeah, he could play.

[Tas Melis]

He just doesn't give me a Roger Federer, the pickleball. The young player. Tama Shimab Dukuro was a name.

[J. Skeets]

Wow. That's the phenom.

[Super Producer JD]

That's the phenom. He's the future. But he lost. He was seated 22 in this. Oh, in this.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[Super Producer JD]

It was a Cinderella all the way. I mean, it would have been awesome. Everybody was cheering.

[J. Skeets]

I was going to say crowd favorite.

[Super Producer JD]

I assume this is the weird thing about pickleball, like, because they're so dominant, these players.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Super Producer JD]

They just go from town to town and get booed. Not booed, but they're always being rooted again.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Everybody wants to see them lose the

[Super Producer JD]

upset, but they literally never lose.

[Tas Melis]

It's crazy.

[J. Skeets]

That is wild.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, they're like if the Harlem Globetrotters were villains.

[Super Producer JD]

Exactly. That's a great comparison.

[Trey Kirby]

We gotta see the Generals pulling off.

[J. Skeets]

All right, well, I'm glad you guys got there and sound like a fun time and good luck to your. To your wife. To Rachel.

[Super Producer JD]

Thanks.

[J. Skeets]

Playing what in semi finals tonight.

[Super Producer JD]

Okay, if we win this, then we go to the city finals the full.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, I'm sorry. You're playing together.

[Super Producer JD]

I'm not playing, but I'm on the team, so I'm saying we.

[J. Skeets]

You're an alternate team. What are you? An alternate?

[Super Producer JD]

I will be taking my stuff. I. We were instructed to take our stuff just in case.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, you heard how he came up in the clutch.

[J. Skeets]

Yes, yes.

[Super Producer JD]

I was very clutch.

[J. Skeets]

So good for you.

[Tas Melis]

I was very was.

[J. Skeets]

You're the. The new Ben Johns to me, baby.

[Super Producer JD]

Oh, thanks.

[Tas Melis]

Yes, thank you.

[J. Skeets]

Alright, thanks for joining us. Till tomorrow, Clipper Bros. You heard it here first.

[Trey Kirby]

Have a great time. Turn up.

[J. Skeets]

Love you guys.

[Tas Melis]

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[J. Skeets]

I did see something that they apparently paid for an entire wedding for two peoples whose last name were Burger and King.

[Tas Melis]

Okay, that's cool.

[J. Skeets]

If it's real, let's expect that from them.

[Tas Melis]

So somebody was. Had the last name Burger. Burger was getting married to a king.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, that is pretty cool. Actually.

[Trey Kirby]

I think they also like, they ditched the king, right? Like, oh yeah, he's got face guy.

[Super Producer JD]

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[Tas Melis]

That's part of the ad too.

[J. Skeets]

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[Tas Melis]

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[J. Skeets]

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