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Right.
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These are making a comeback, I think.
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Hello everyone and welcome to no offseason. I'm Zena Kada.
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I'm Shantelle Jennings.
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And I'm Sabrina Merchant.
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And today on the show, with the college regular season wrapping up, it is time for our national award predictions. Who made the strongest case for coach of the year? Which freshman stole the spotlight for freshman of the Year? And who dominated all season to earn player of the year? Gonna break it all down and make the case for our picks. But first, it's time for Deal or no Deal or Proposal or no Proposal. With the March test drop dead, deadline fast approaching, there is still no agreement on a new cba. This past Wednesday, the WNBPA issued a statement emphasizing unity among players as negotiations continue on a new CBA with the league. Sabrina, you wrote about that statement in a piece that's up on our site right now. What can you tell us about that statement and what it might signal about how these negotiations are going.
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I think it's important to share the sort of the context that prompted this statement to be released. You think about how we have this March 10th drop dead date, and there's actually been a pretty rapid pace, I would say, of proposals going back and forth between the league and the union over what this new CBA is going to look like. But then last week, we did get a group of agents signing a letter to the WNBPA asking for more transparency with regards to negotiations so that they could better, you know, address these issues with their players. And then we had Brianna Stewart and Kelsey Plumb, who are both members of the executive committee of the wnbpa, address a letter to the executive director, Terry Jackson of the Players association, saying, we need to be better kept in the loop. We need to have access to all of these financial numbers and what exactly the proposals look like. And we don't think that we are far enough along, considering we opted out of the CBA on October 21, 2024, and it is now March of 2026. The progress of these negotiations is not what it should be. We don't feel like we know enough about the process as is. And when two of the seven members of your executive committee come out and say things like that, admittedly, this was not public, but the letter was leaked. So we are aware of what happened that I guess prompted the WNBA to say, hey, we're still united in this negotiation. We still believe that what the league has proposed thus far is not fair to what the players, you know, have done to grow the league and not fair to, you know, how much money they should be partaking in as part of the revenue and all of these things we've talked about. And the letter was signed by all of the members of the executive committee, which includes Brandon Stewart and Kelsey Plumb. So the letter did not really say a ton other than, we remain united, strike is on the table. We would like to play though, you know, a bunch of mishmash. But I think the fact that all of the members came together to put it out is kind of interesting because for the first time, really, in this process, there have been some public fractures within the overall player body when I think their unity, their solidarity had been their main selling point over the first, again, 16 months of this process.
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Yeah, that's the part I want to get to, because that statement feels like if there is any sort of fracture or any sort of misalignment in any way, it's between the players and the people that they have put in place to speak on their behalf in these negotiations. And then there's also been reports about maybe on calls with the players in these conversations around what should we put into the CBA or negotiate for the cba. And it's led to surveys needing to be sent out that we're starting to see. Maybe some players are like, hey, this could be good enough. This could be where we're at. This could be enough for us. Or some players being like, we want something that is aligned for everyone. Sabrina, give us a little bit of context, though. I'm happy you talked about this letter that was sent to the executive director and that positioning feels like the misalignment so far has been between the players being represented and the folks that they have put in place to represent them and just making sure they get on the same page. But then there's also potential conversations around some tension around the actual players themselves in terms of what should be in this tba, what do we deem. Okay, and we're all right to move forward with. And some players have different perspectives on that because they're in different positions within the league. We don't know what's actually happening amongst the players. But is there any truth to this? Is there any semblance that there is some truth to this?
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No.
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I think it's a perfectly valid point that every player in the WNBA union has different priorities, right? You have the star level players who are probably very interested in what maximum level contracts look like and what, you know, the maximum level bonuses they can get. Not to say that they aren't interested in the viability of the union altogether. But, you know, when you're in the top 5% or top 10% of WNBA players like, you occupy a different space than everybody else's because you have a certain amount of endorsement money coming through. You have these opportunities to play at unrivaled or just go to Europe for three games and cash a big check from Fenermachi. So they just exist in different space, Right? And then we've seen. It's funny that rookie salaries, what you
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just laid out, included one person casually went unrivaled, go get you a big check. Got it. Cool, cool, cool. Sorry. Keep going.
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And then, you know, we have rookie salaries, which you look at the growth of the WNBA over the last few years, and I think it's pretty fair to attribute a lot of it to how much popularity the rookies have brought in. You know, what Caitlin Clark and Paige Beckers and Angel Reese and their cohort have done. And we're seeing a big jump in the percentage of the cap that rookie salaries occupy. You know, like less than 5% to about 10%. And that's when you grow the cap the way that it's projected to grow in this next agreement. That's a big jump. But you see if there's more max, if there's more rookie salaries and there's a middle class that's getting squeezed a little bit. And it's interesting that we haven't heard a lot of the public sentiment of this deal is good coming from the middle class. We've heard Alicia Clark say, whether that was on NBA Today or whether that was saving the treatment on threads, strike is very much on the table. We've heard Natasha Cloud say, I'm always going to be fighting for the middleman and we need to make sure that like the veterans who've made this league what it is aren't, you know, just getting like basically cornered into minimum value contracts because there's no money left after you've played paid, you know, the vet, the max level players and the rookie level players. So I think it's totally reasonable that there would be some differences of opinion between the players of like how to, how to like distribute basically all of the money that is going to be coming their way. Like where. Who deserves it? I feel like deserve is a bad word but where it should go in terms of cap management. And I just think it's interesting that the players who seem to be most okay with the progress of the deal or the way the WNBA has proposed the salary arrangement are the maximum salary players. And we haven't heard as much agreement, so to speak, from the middle class players or the veteran minimum salaried players who would have a very different experience in this new cap environment.
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Right. And Chantel, I feel like this is something that the public sentiment is. This is the tension that the WNBA should probably capitalize on in order to speed things up. Right. Get it to a point where the players are at odds with how much more should we go, how further should, how much further should we go? Should we strike? Should we not? Should we just get the season going? If we don't get the season going, some of us are going to be penalized financially. We need to get this going. I feel like there's, I've been seeing and reading comments under your stories and in general of people being like, hopefully this middle class, this stratification within the players actually causes them to be like, okay, we need to hurry up. But there's also a whole calendar that's also forcing that too.
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Well, yeah, I think we're, we're taping this on March 5th. We obviously know that March 10th deadline, I mean deadline, let's put it in air quotes. Like we don't really know exactly what that drop date means. It was just given by the WNBA to the players. But what's interesting about this is everything is sort of happening at once, as we knew was going to happen the longer these negotiations went on. But now what you also have is Team USA is gathering. The senior national team is playing in a World cup qualifier in Puerto Rico next week. This weekend they're meeting in Miami for a pre tournament training camp. So they'll be there on the 7th and the 8th and then they'll go to Puerto Rico. And so they will be in Puerto rico on the 10th while this deadline happens, passes whatever happens. And it's just going to be really interesting to see how all of this shakes out. You know, I think back to the 2020 CBA negotiation and so many players were saying it was really helpful that they were all in one place because they were in the bubble and they had access to one another. And you kind of think about this offseason, there have been a lot of players in one place, but the, it's not all of the players. Like Sabrina was saying, you have sort of the unrivaled pod, you have the athletes unlimited pod, you have other players. And so it's like they've been a little bit separate at times. And now you're going to have a small group of people going to Puerto Rico to play in this tournament. And again, it's an interesting group. You have Brianna Stewart who's going to be there for the training camp, but she won't be at the tournament. And it's a lot of young players. There's six players on this Team USA roster who are making their senior national team debut. So it's a lot of those rookies or rookie scale contract players, you know, Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark, Paige Beckers, all making their senior national team debuts this next week with Team usa. Like it's going to be a huge attention moment for Team USA and I also imagine that every question asked to them in the mix zone is going to be like, so where are you guys with with the cba? Like what's going on with the cba? A lot of these players who haven't had to answer questions super directly about it are going to be walking through the Mix zone and needing to answer questions about.
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About it.
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And also I should note, you know, there's going to be more attention for the tournament itself because the games are going to be on TNT this year. And so there's just all of this attention that's coming into women's basketball. And I think this next week between NCAA Conference tournaments that are happening, between unrivaled, wrapping up Team USA heading to Puerto Rico for this World cup qualifier, like everything is happening all at once. We're here for it. It's a little exhausting, but I think, you know, it'll be fascinating a week from now how much has happened or hasn't happened.
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You're making me immediately think about how ears perked up when at Team USA camp, Caitlin Clark made comments around the CBA and folks were like, hold on, what's going on? Are they all together? Are they all on the same page? So this is going to be a very interesting, like, media circus around Team usa. So, Serena, just to close this out, where exactly do things stand right now between the union and the league?
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I think there's still a pretty significant gap between how they think about distributing the revenue that comes into the wnba. And unfortunately, although that gap has gotten a little bit smaller since this negotiation started, it is still not where it needs to be for them to iron out everything else.
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Okay, all right, well, let's just switch gears while they kind of figure that out and jump into a league that happened. It happened on time and it closed out this week. Okay. Unrivaled. Last Wednesday night, it was the championship battle, Mist vs Phantom. And wow, what a night for the Mist. I ain't gonna lie though, it was a little boring. I was. It was just a little bit too cookie cutter for me. Okay. I did appreciate Phantom's comeback or they're trying to come back towards the end of the game. I didn't love how the game ended. Uh, it just, you know. Okay, well, the Mist shocked the top seeded Phantom with an 80 to 74 win. 79 was the score they had to get to. And ultimately they got there with some free throws. I mean. Oh, I don't. It's just not fun. It's not as fun in that way. But Finals MVP Brianna Stewart did have some fun and put on a show for us, which was fun. 32 points. And Kelsey Plum on the other side of the ball dropped a 40 piece. But unfortunately it wasn't enough. Remember, Aaliyah, Boston did not play in this game and I think that that had a major impact on how things shook out. Sabrina, what stood out to you from this championship clash?
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You know, I don't want to go back too far, but I really think the semifinals was the highlight of this unrivaled postseason round. Them being able to go to Brooklyn and have that massive crowd at Barclays center, you know, on three weeks notice, basically. And those games were just tremendous. With Arique hitting the game winner in the corner for, you know, missed advanced title game and then Kelsey Plum having that, you know, awesome game against final to take phantom to the title game. You notice the absence of Aaliyah Boston a little bit less against a vinyl team that like, isn't as big at every position as the mistar very evident in the final. So I thought, like, that was such a great night for the league to be able to, you know, once again show what the audience is like for unrivaled even when you come out of Miami. And then, like, it was just a little bit of a bummer to come back from that huge big, you know, WNBA arena to the Miami sound stage for the final. And I understand the logistics of all of is the second straight year the final has ended on a free throw. It is what it is. That's just how the Elam ending is going to work sometimes. But I think, you know, like, all of the big moments that unrivaled has had this year, the one on one tournament being so fun, the big tour stops in Philly and Brooklyn, like, I think we're starting to realize this league, even though the single site means so much to how they envision themselves, it's become bigger as a fan engagement product than Florida can hold. So I'm just interested to see how it continues to grow because all of my favorite moments of unrivaled were seeing when as many people as possible could be involved in it. And it's a little bit smaller in the soundstage and it was just a little bit less fun than the semifinals.
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It does feel like Chantelle, like, it's those tent pole moments, the buildup, the anticipation to them. Like after Philly happened, you could tell, like, folks were clamoring, they wanted another city and they announced Brooklyn. And it was crazy that they were able to do that. But there is going to be like a logistical element to it. But overall, people are liking this product. They're loving this product. They're bought in. And Chatel, I feel like after seeing what happened in Philly, then you see this amazing replication of it in New York and people are clamoring for it. You can Tell these tentpole moments is like they're gonna have to figure it out within this schedule to continue to bring that for the next few years. But just this season for you, Chantel, like what stood out to you that was special.
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Yeah. I think I'll take your whole question and put it together. Both my favorite part of this year and looking forward to sort of those tentpole moments of future seasons. And it's like the one on one tournament is just so unique and so fun to me. I want to see them take that on the road. Like, I think it's hard. I don't in terms of like playing back to back or like multiple games, but it's like if there's a way for them maybe to have the first round somewhere huge. Because you know, you had a chance to sit down with Nafisa Collier recently for the athletic show and talk about brand building and how important that is in terms of, you know, what unrivaled is doing for these WNBA players. And I think what better moment to sort of build your own brand than in a one on one competition under the umbrella of unrivaled in Barclays and Madison Square Garden. Go to la, go to Staples center, like go somewhere huge. Because I think that's also something that when you talk about capturing the just basketball fan, not necessarily a women's basketball fan, not necessarily a 3 on 3 fan or an like just capturing basketball fans. Like everyone knows what one on one is capturing the sports fan. Like you don't have to have ever seen a basketball game in your life and you're like one on one best players in the world playing one on one. Like I would love to see that in any sport. Like let's have a shootout with the best soccer players. Like I don't care where like what teams they're on. Like let's just do that somewhere that's so fun to see and you can capture the imaginations of sports fans with that. And so I think the idea of taking that out of the sound stage in Miami and putting that on a big stage, building it up, giving people more than three weeks even so that if they want to fly in, they can, you know, make it a little more affordable for themselves. And if it's like a multi day event like that feels to me like a huge growth opportunity for unrivaled just because it's like, it just feels like it's ripe for the picking. Like everyone loves individual one on one competitions. Everyone can understand immediately what it means. Even if you don't understand like full court, three on three. Elam endings like this is like, explain that to me. You don't need to explain one on one. It is literally what it is. Like, let's just roll out the ball and play. And so I would love to see that happen next year because I think it's taking a lot of people's favorite part of this season, projecting it forward and taking the things that really worked for the league this year and like smooshing them together to make an even better product next year.
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It's all about tapping into, as you mentioned, just like the inherent parts of the game that when you first learned about basketball, you first had exposure to the game you loved. And yeah, one on one was definitely one of those things. And then being able to get to other cities in the future. I hope the chief brand officer of Unrivaled is listening. Kirby Porter. We also want you on the show at some point, but hopefully you're listening. Chantelle is dropping gems for you, but shout out to mist. The six players from that team split a $600,000 purse, which was double the prize amount from last season. So they're just continuing to grow. And yes, even though, yes, Barclays is not the same as that Miami soundstage. It has a very impressive soundstage. And I will go ahead and plug the fact that this weekend on the Athletic show, first on Amazon Fire, you guys can watch extensive interview with Nafisa Collier. I was down in Miami. Got to walk around and check out just the overall compound really that they've built for unrivaled. And it was really fire. And then also getting her thoughts on building Unrivaled. The purpose of unrivaled, how it fits within the ecosystem of women's basketball, pro women's basketball overall. And it was a really great conversation. And Nafisa thinks I have great skin. So at this point we're besties. All right, stick around because next up it's our college national award predictions. Lets get into it. Thy ticket lady, Jennifer of Coolidge. Well, many thanks, good sir. Here is my Discover card. They accept Discover at Renaissance fairs.
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Yeah, I mean, I think what I love about these conversations is that we'll have a chance to kind of talk about what we value. It's, it's hilarious. It's a little bit meta because this is exactly what we've been doing with the Division 1 basketball committee where it's like they release 16 teams and we're like, what matters to them? We don't know. And we on the athletic site today and yesterday released our All American teams and our Player of the Year Coach of the Year Freshman of the Year awards. And I'm sure people are like, wait, how did they pick this person? Or why did they pick this person over this person? And this is sort of pulling back the curtain on why we picked people. I don't think Shea Ralph is some sort of outside of the box pick. Here you have a coach who took a team that had one starter from last season and they went 27 and three overall, 13 and three in SEC play. Shea came in five years ago and took over this team that hadn't been nationally relevant in a very long time. And they went 16 and 19 that first year. And I remember I was actually in Nashville for the SEC tournament that year, and Shay and I had coffee, and she was so confident at the time that this was the right place for her. And I think a lot of us in the women's basketball world sort of looked at her like, you left UConn, like you were the heir apparent to Gino Oreyama, and you left UConn. And sitting with her in Nashville, I was like, she's so confident, and I don't even want to say, you know, one of the best parts of this job is that you get to sort of see this greatness up close in a lot of different ways from different people. And, like, I always sort of bristle when people are like, oh, I bet on myself, or like, they're betting on themselves, because I'm like, she wasn't taking a bet. Like, she was fully confident. Like, there was nothing about Shay going to Vanderbilt where I'm like, this. Where she was thinking, like, this is a bet. Like, she was confident, and she was sure that she could build something really special. And it was. You know, I was reflecting on that conversation recently, because five years later, obviously, it's been a slow build, and Michaela Blake's has been such an important part of getting this team to where it wants to be. But you look at how she's built it, and it's just pretty incredible to. To have, you know, five years ago, if you would have said, is Vanderbilt going to be competing at the top of the SEC in women's basketball? You know, even when Shea went there, I was like, I don't know. Like, that is a. That is a tall mountain to climb. Good luck. And yet here we are five years later. It's a very short amount of time to take a program that has not, as I said, been nationally relevant for a really long time and. And bring them to a 12 seed. It's. I don't. I don't see other coaches across the country who have done something like that, not just in the last five years, but just, like, year over year. That growth from last year to this year is. Is incredible to me.
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I also say, for me, one of the things that really stood out to me was Chantel. You mentioned taking a team that returned one starter. Yeah. The departure of Camille Pierre, I thought would have impacted this team more than it did. That is A double double machine alongside Mikayla Blake and Shay Ralph. Has one been able to recruit talent in but also capitalize on the talent she has on hand. So it felt pretty obvious for Shay Ralph for us. But very curious what you guys listening might think about Geno. Aemo probably has some things to say about that, but he's gotten a few, so he's okay. All right, let's keep it moving to freshman of the year. So this is actually where we had a little bit of difference. And I ain't gonna lie, I still stick by my pick. But once I heard about the picks that I think Sabrina and Chantel chose, I was like, oh, oh, man, that's a tough one. I feel bad for not. We're not thinking about this one. Okay. So I will go ahead and I'll say who I thought.
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I think I became more focused on production tied with winning and that is how I ended up with Aaliyah Chavez. Only freshman in D1 that's averaging 18 points, four assists and over three rebounds a game. That's important. And she's doing that while averaging three or fewer turnovers. And that's big for a freshman to not be turning the ball over. That is actually the old. She's the only player since 2009 outside of Paige Becker's to do that. And so that's pretty impressive to me. That's great territory to be in or great company. Excuse me, to be in. And she, I believe, might have been. I think she was tied for freshman of the week honors eight times with Aubrey Galvin, which is amazing as well. So her conference recognizes her performance and of course Oklahoma. I didn't have high hopes. I didn't have high hopes for them to be in the top 25. Even at the top of the season. I was like, I feel like they're going to rank high and then drop out. But Aaliyah Chavez, like, definitely helped Oklahoma stay relevant, stay dominant and perform well. And that South Carolina win, she was the galv like, I mean, galvanized. I don't want to say galvanized because we're not talking about Aubrey Galvin, but Aaliyah Chavez was the person behind that big time overtime win. So that's why I went with Aaliyah. Where'd y' all go with Sabrina? I'll start with you.
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Yeah, I had a really hard time with this vote and player theater, but I actually came down to two different people that did not include Leah Chavez. For me, it's was a real battle between Aubrey Galvin as we mentioned, SEC Freshman of the Year and then Jazzy Davidson at usc. And the responsibilities for the two of them are just so very different because Aubrey Galvin gets to play pure point guard. You know, like she does score quite a bit. She does. She didn't end the season averaging about 13 points per game, but it's really the setting up for Caleb Blakes and Justine Passat and you know, those roles to Sasha Washington. Like there's a lot of veterans that she can play with on that Vanderbilt roster and she has a specific role and she plays it incredibly well. And we've seen a lot of clutch performances out of Aubrey Galvin. You know, game winning jumper against Kentucky late in the season, some big free throws that she's hit against LSU and other big wins at Vanderbilt has had over the course of the season. And you think about like to me, like the, the just like the out of nowhereness of Aubrey Calvin is really something because we've mentioned not Even a top 100 recruit at ESPN and then SEC Freshman of the Year, one of the best players on a top five team in the country, which just does is so critical for what Vanderbilt is trying to do. But then I ended up picking Jassy Davidson because for all those reasons that I love Aubrey Galvin, Jazzy literally has to do everything at usc. She is, has to be like one of their best perimeter defenders. And you see that in her steals numbers and her block numbers. She has to create so much offense because this is a team that doesn't really have a point guard on its roster like Malia Samuels. London Jones nominally play the one. London's more of a shooting guard. Malia's a defensive point guard, but not really an offensive point guard. So Jazz is creating so many of those shots. You know, she has to be like an off ball threat, she has to be an onboard threat. Like there's literally anything you could possibly think of as a basketball assignment is being attached to Jassy Davidson on this USC roster. And I think as a freshman she handled it like about as well as you possibly could have. 18 points per game, 4.3 assists per game, 2 steals, 2 blocks. USC admittedly didn't have like the greatest season in the Big Ten, but I think that's a lot of the function of just the talent around her for her to just have all of this responsibility thrust upon her as a freshman, you know, at a program that like is really starting to come on the national scene more and more because of what juju Watkins did. And then like for her, for the team to, like, be plus 8.6 better with jazzy on the court. Like, to have a net rating of 12.2 with Jazzy on the court, I think is super special because, again, like, I don't mean to, like, denigrate the other Trojans. There's not a lot around her on this roster other than, like, Kennedy Smith's defense and some London Jones shooting. So I think what she was able to accomplish is really special. And again, just so much asked of her. So that's why she ended up being my freshman of the year.
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The fact that she's reportedly the first Division 1 player to lead her team in all five categories. Points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks, like, that's insane. But it goes to what you're laying out. Sabrina of just. She has to do everything for this team. She gets Big Ten freshman of the year. It was a unanimous selection. She. And she just. I don't know. She's just. She does it casually. She has owned it with such poise. I think in watching her play as well, I've seen live, frustrating losses where she leads her team as if she is a senior on the team, not allowing any of her teammates to keep their heads down. Always playing with such energy, leading the pack when it comes to, like, being at the top of presses if they're trying to win late game situations. Like, I'm sure she is fatigued and. And still just shows up with the energy. Chantel, did you also choose Jazzy?
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I did.
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I think I'm the odd man out here.
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Okay, you were, but for all the same reasons that Sabrina said. And I feel like the only thing that I would want to add to that is that I think this is where you can really sort of take in the full scope of someone. It's even beyond the stats. And I think you look at, like, for me, same idea. I think Aaliyah Chavez, Aubrey Galvin, and Jazzy Davidson were the top three freshmen this year. Of those three, like, you think about the team they signed to and then the team that they walked into fall camp with, like, Jazzy's team was so much different. Like, she thought she was playing with juju. Like, that is what she had mentally prepared for. That is what she got ready to play with. And then she gets to campus. Juju is not there. Like, welcome, Jazzy, let's go. And then she misses most of training camp with an illness. And so not only then is it sort of like your role is changing, but also, she wasn't able to participate in A large amount of training camp. And so just sort of watching holistically, like, that transformation of sort of, like, mentally, what she had to get over, physically what she had to get over to have the season she did, to lead her team in all of those categories is absolutely amazing, I think, you know, you look at Aaliyah Chavez, like, amazing season. Absolutely amazing season. As we've said on the show for years, the freshmen are not freshmen. But you're walking into this team that she signed to, had Williams, Beers, Verholst, van. Like, those players when she signed were there. The players when she got there were there. Same with Aubrey Galvin. You're walking into a team where, like, I don't really care what else you have. You have Michaela Blakes, like. Like, you're gonna go play with Michaela Blakes, and you get there, and you're playing with Michaela Blakes. And so I think that's really important context as well. And so for me, that kind of tilted me towards Jazzy because sort of the different ways she had to approach the season were really, really impressive. I will say, this might be the first time, you know, speaking of Aubrey Galvin, that we've ever had a freshman of the year conversation around someone whose finalists were an SEC school and Princeton. Like, that is how missed she was in the recruiting ecosystem. Like, I've talked to coaches and been like, how did you miss this player that is the SEC freshman of the year? She. Yeah, how, like, where were her other offers?
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You really do love. I think that's. That's the thing is, like, I look at Aubrey Galvin as, like, she was a system changer for Vanderbilt, and, like, she pushes her tempo, she gets things going, she sets the floor incredibly well. And she didn't have to be the central. The center point, because Aaliyah is a showstopper. She's a scorer, she's flashy, she's got a lot going on. And then Jazzy. And this is why I feel like you guys have convinced me that Aaliyah wasn't the right choice, but Jazzy's the right choices. She's both. She changed the system, and she's also the showstopper and the show goer, if there's such a thing. Like, she makes the show go for usc. She does it all for them. So I get completely your choice. And either way, all three of them, incredibly, incredibly impressive. But I think nationally, Jazzy's probably going to pull it out, and for all the reasons you guys laid out. Okay.
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I mean, the longer we talk about it the more I like, think it's Aubrey Galvin, but I don't think that
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there's a bad choice between them, really. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So either way, I like the fact that there is even this debate around it. Like, that's awesome for the growth of women's basketball. It's great for, like the next generation. I think a lot of folks thought juju's not playing. Oh, no. What's going to happen to women's basketball? There's no page. There's no this, there's no. I'm like, no, no, no. We have amazing players that are still, obviously still here. And they're young, too. They're young. And so that actually helps me go into the next topic that we're talking about, which is player of the year, because interestingly enough, I think the people we're talking about are sophomores. They're babies. They're still on the front end of college, which is super, super exciting. So let's go ahead and lay out our case. Chantelle, you and I think we're on the same page with this. So I'm gonna let you go ahead and make our case, our case together or Sarah Strong kick us off.
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So, I mean, let's start with statistics and then go to everything else. I think statistically, she was one free throw, one made free throw away from having a 60, 40, 90 season. 60% from the floor.
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90?
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Yes. 60 from the floor. 40% from behind the arc. 90 from the free throw line. That has never happened in men's or women's college basketball, the NBA or the wnba. No player has ever done this, y', all, ever. And she was one made free throw away. Sabrina has told me that she thinks we can count tournament stats in this and so she could still get there. She's going to have to get to the free throw line a bit more.
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I'm, I'm with you, Sabrina, because that's insane. Most times we hear 50, 40, 90 club. 50, 40, 90 club.
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That's 40.
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90 is amazing. That's amazing.
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Exactly. So it's wild.
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I think Paige Becker said that last year and it was, you know, that was like a headline in and of itself. And now Sarah comes out as a sophomore and is like, hold my Gatorade cute. Or Powerade. I don't know if they're a Coke or a Pepsi School, but so I think you have that side. And then she's not just a scorer. She's not just a three level scorer and a passer. Like, let's add that on top of there. This year she has sort of initiated the offense more. We've seen this extra facet of her game, and I'm like, my gosh, she's such a good passer. And then defensively, she's just this incredible defender. You look at her defensive rating statistic, no player in women's college basketball has had a better defensive rating or a better defensive season by that metric since at least 2009. And you think of all the amazing players we've seen in women's college basketball. And so like, wow, stats wise. That's the argument laid out for Sarah Strong. Visually, you just watch her and it's so fun to watch her. And there's a lot of players that are really, really fun to watch. And I think Sabrina will make the argument for a second one in just a moment. But like, Sarah makes things look so easy. And I think it's really, really wonderful to watch someone play the game when it's like, it just. It just like, it's really beautiful, like the way she plays basketball every. Like, I think this year it was the Tennessee game and I believe I texted Sabrina and I was like, oh, I think this is the first team time I've seen Sarah Strong look like a human. Like, she got caught in the backcourt and threw the ball into like three Tennessee defenders. Still had a great game. But I was like, well, there's like the first plot point for her being not superhuman, but it's just really amazing how, like, how she plays the game. It's really. There's just such a flow and such an ease and such a calmness. And she never looks too high, too low. Both like, none of it. It's just easy for her. And it's so fun to watch.
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That is part of the trait that is what I was calling out about Jazzy Davidson. Like, it is one thing to watch someone be great, but it's also another thing to watch someone be steady and be consistent.
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That's a great word.
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And that is something that you can absolutely attribute to how Sarah Strong plays the game. And you talk about all these statistics that she has accomplished and she's leading UConn, who has what, the number one strength of schedule in the country, their non conference at least. And she's behind them winning. They're 31 0. Like, it's crazy that they've won this many games and they haven't. They faced some tests, but still have been able to come back and be able. That Tennessee game, I'm particularly Thinking of be able to come back and win like they. Sarah Strong as a sophomore has steadily been providing and leading that team, and that's amazing to see. And she's also doing it in under 27 minutes per game. That's. That's impressive. That's impressive. I'm just gonna put that out there.
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But I just want to point out, like, you could put a lot of pretty good basketball players on the floor. Would they still have a 60, 40, 90 practice without a defense out there at all? Like, I don't care what conference we're talking about. Like, that is still.
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I'm gonna tell you right now, really, I didn't have a 64,090 in warmups when no one was guarding me ever. Okay, that is crazy. Those are insane numbers. So I like you playing devil's advocate. I'm gonna tell you right now, it doesn't count. It doesn't matter. Sarah Strong is doing some crazy unique, very special things, but there is also someone that is doing some incredibly crazy, unique things, as you mentioned, Chantel, and they're also doing it in a really, really, really tough conference, and that is Mikayla Blakes. Sabrina, lay it out for us. What's the case for her as the player of the Year?
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Yeah, so I was the lone straggler here that did not follow along the Sarah Strong train. And I think as Chantal laid out, there is a very compelling argument for Sarah Strong as Player of the Year. And as the foremost wins matter above anything else person on this podcast, I readily imagine that going undefeated is a big thing and should be recognized. And we probably honestly could have talked more about Geno for Coach of the year just because. Because having the target on your back and doing that over and over again is very impressive.
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And while actually winning the number one player in the draft, yes, we probably
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should have after you lose Paige Beckers, right? Yeah. Yeah, probably. When Sarah Strong wins Player of the Year, let's be clear, like, that'll be completely deserved. And I'm sure Michaela Blakes will be very happy to have been a first team All American because that's what's going to happen. She'll be a first team All American for sure. I did vote for her for Player of the year and the reason for that, as Chantel started to lay out, is because I think again, like with the Jazzy Davidson thing, the lift is just so much more for Mikaela Blake's and what Vanderbilt had to go up against in their SEC schedule than what Sarah Strong had to do for the Last two months of the regular season. You mentioned Sarah Strong only having to play, you know, putting up all these stats in like those 27 minutes per game. When I think about the player of the year, I kind of think like more value for more minutes is not necessarily a bad thing. You know, Caleb likes having to pay play 35 minutes a game, having to, to be on the court to do all of these things. For Vanderbilt, to be their leading scorer, to put up 4.6 assists per game and 2.9 steals per game. And still, I mean it's not 50, 40, 90, but you did shoot 53% from the field, 36% on threes, 86% from the foul line. Like this is an efficient player. You think about how efficient Sarah Strong is. Like Sarah Strong took 711 field goal attempts to get to 1,000 points. Michaela only needed 716. So we're right about the same efficiency marker, you know, for both of those players. And then again, like every time Vanderbilt goes out on the court, Mikayla Blakes is basically the one driver of consistent offense, right? Like she is their scoring threat. And what does she do? She puts up double digit points against LSU to come back, you know, in that top five win. She absolutely just destroys Texas in that game. You know, that had Vic Schaefer questioning what his coaching staff was doing for, you know, the two weeks leading up to that game. We haven't really seen Sarah Strong have to be clutch because UConn doesn't put themselves in those positions. I know Michaela Blakes can be clutch. I've seen her hit big jumpers at the end of games. I've seen her hit big free throws at the end of games, whether those are close wins against, you know, Kentucky, lsu, Michigan. And then her play just got better during conference. But like you could say Vanderbilt had a terrible non conference schedule and they didn't really have to do anything for the first 14 games of their season. You look at her in SEC play, she averaged 30.5 points in SEC play. No player this century has averaged 30 points in the SEC. Which we can talk about SEC versus Big Ten. That conference is just a behemoth. 5.2 assists per game in SEC play. And every time you talk to a coach in the sec they will tell you the hardest person to game plan for is Mikayla Blix, like what she's able to do as a scorer. She's so fast, she's so well conditioned. She never gets tired during these games, whether it's the 38th minute or the 8th minute, she's just coming at you in waves over and over and over again. And I realize she doesn't have the advanced stats that Sarah Strong does, probably because defensively, Vanderbilt just doesn't have the same defensive ecosystem that UConn does. But she tries to protect her bigs a lot because she gets a lot of steals. They do have a very active press, and her pressure is a big part of what the Commodores are able to do, you know, to prop up what are not the best defensive personnel. So I think it's just been a very impressive season for somebody who, again, lost the other two leading scorers on their team coming into this season running with a freshman point guard, a big who didn't play all of last season because of an injury. Like, there was just a lot of new that she had to put together. And she's the leader of this team as a sophomore of a top five team, doing things that we've never really seen before in probably the best conference in the country.
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Yeah, you talk about the. You were talking about the efficiency between her and Sarah Strong. And I've seen this argument as well online of like, oh, well, Michaela Blakes isn't as efficient because Sarah Strong's effective field goal rate is 65 and a half and Mikayla Blake's is 53.5. And it's like, yeah, but Mikayla Blakes is a volume scorer. It has to be in a way that Sarah Strong doesn't have to be. And so she's gonna. She's still in being a volume scorer. As you just laid out, the amount of field goals that she's taken over the course of the time that she's on the floor this season is still shooting at that percentage. To me, that's almost like you just laid that out for me. And I'm like, that's actually more impressive to me that she's out there getting those shots up, choosing the right shots. Right. And that's one thing that you'll look at her game. Mikayla Blake's, you're never seeing wasted movement, like, as much energy as she exerts. It is purposeful. It is to get to a spot. It is to cut someone off. It is. I mean, it's really. I'm just always, always impressed by these, like, players, because wasn't me. It was not me when I was playing. And to think someone is exerting that level of energy from the top, from tip all the way to the end of a game on both sides of the ball, it's incredibly difficult to do most times. If you're an amazing offensive player, your coach has already game planned for you to be protected on defense. So the fact that Shay Ralph is game planning for you to be the focal point on offense and for you to be the main major stopper on defense, point of attack, defender, like, it's, it's pretty impressive. So I don't think you can go wrong if you decided to go with Michaela Blake. I think she's the number one person that you cannot dismiss. Sarah Strong, you know, is living up to her name and making a strong case for player of the year.
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Okay, so can we really quick just shout out this sophomore class, though? Like, I just want to shout out the sophomore class because it's like, you look at our all American team, four sophomores on this team, and it's like the top two players. So this is ranked choice voting. And so Sarah Strong and Michaela Blakes were the two players that got the most votes. Then you have Joyce Edwards from South Carolina who had a phenomenal sophomore year for South Carolina. We go back and listen to the South Carolina episode from a few weeks back. We spent a lot of time talking about her. Olivia Olson at Michigan, our fourth sophomore on this all American team. Actually, do we have five? Did we have a fifth? Cambridge. Cambridge, five. So five of our 11 players on our all American teams are sophomores. And like, that's incredible. And then you think about coming back next year. Technically, juju will be a redshirt junior. So let's counter in the junior class just for the spiciness level of it. Like, we're going to have three players who are in their third year of college hoops that are going to be
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national player of the year worthy.
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Yeah. And I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but I'm just throwing that out there. I'll dangle that carrot for all of us.
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So, hey, it just again, proof that women's basketball is in great hands. All right, on the other side of this, we are going to dive into the mailbag.
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Chantel.
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Okay, this is a question that came in from Fritz in Indianapolis who wrote in to ask how would UConn women do in a stronger conference such as the SEC or Big Ten. Fritz, great question. And you know who's so set up
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to answer this for you?
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Chantel Jennings, kick us off. What are your thoughts?
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Well, Fritz, thank you for exposing me in front of our producer for not scrolling all the way down to the bottom of our script. But I love a good surprise. How would UConn do in another conference? So I think this is sort of like the perennial question with UConn, right? Like, I think the first thing everyone talks about with UConn is is their dominance bad for women's basketball? And the second part is, well, are they dominant? Because they've played in the Big east and the American. And it's like this is where you just have to take the eyeball test into account, right? Like, you can use stats and all of that and strength of schedule, strength of opponent's schedule. Like, feel free to do all of that, mathematicians. But just like take the eyeball test and then you look at what they're doing on the floor, you look at their postseason results where they are playing these power conference opponents and like, they win. Do I think they would have gone undefeated in the SEC or the Big Ten? Probably not, because it's like they did have those moments against Villanova and Marquette earlier this season where it's like they weren't 100% on and you know, they sort of had these lapses in quarters and stuff, but they still beat, you know, Michigan, usc, Ohio State this season. Like, those are three Big Ten teams for you. They beat Louisville and Notre Dame. Those are two ac. Oh, they beat Iowa, too. So there's another Big Ten team. Like, you look back to the NCAA tournament last year. They beat UCLA and South Carolina in the Final Four in the national title game. Like, they beat these power conference opponents in those moments. And this was actually, you know, I was thinking about this the other night because I think, you know, you, when we talk about. And I'd be super curious for your thoughts on the Cena as a former college athlete yourself. Like, we talk so much about the way that like the SEC and the Big Ten prepares these teams for the postseason, for the NCAA tournament and how important those games are. And then you sort of see the flip side of that and it's like, is it almost More impressive that UConn is able to do what it does in the postseason, given that it doesn't have that level of competition, does that change the way that they have to go through practices? And obviously they have the film and, and the non conference opponents that sort of give them that measuring stick up close in the non conference season. But it's like, you know, you think about what South Carolina has to do, what Vanderbilt has to do, what UCLA has to do sort of night in and night out with those teams that maybe, you know, the Big Ten had seven teams in the last top 16 reveal like there. I do think there's also sort of part of it that's impressive that UConn is able to do what it does in the postseason without having that sort of consistent drumbeat level of competition throughout the regular season that they are able to sort of internalize and do whatever they need to do in practice to be still at that level in the postseason.
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Oh, you're hitting right on target with that. Because the term we've all heard of playing to the level of competition, and it's usually in a negative sense. Oh, tonight they played down to the level of their competition, et cetera. Right. These are championship teams that meet up against someone that has a target on their back, and they somehow their defense lowers or their offense lowers, their level of focus lowers. And I've watched UConn this season play Butler. I've watched him play Xavier. I've watched him play some teams, and I'm just like, oh, this is like, why am I doing this to myself? However, every time I watch them, even when they're going up against teams in the Big Ten, the standard is there. And that is impressive that you establish a culture, and this is what Ginorm has done for decades, is that you establish such a culture that it is unacceptable to drop to the level of competition. You have to bring that level of energy and that level of focus and that level of hype, regardless of who's in front of you, even if you know that your opponent is just not as good as you and is not going to pose the same challenge. And I. And I have seen UConn bring the same level of energy and focus to playing Xavier that they do to bring to ucla, and that is incredibly difficult. Incredibly difficult. But that is a discipline that UConn has, and I actually do find it incredibly impressive.
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Yeah, I think if UConn were to play an SEC schedule or a Big Ten schedule, I don't think we would think any differently of Sarah Strong. Like, she is just as good as, you know, against whatever competition you put in front of her. I do think that the rest of the roster would have some more struggles against playing Kentucky and Alabama instead of Marquette and Seton hall on a regular basis. And I think the number of undefeated seasons might be a little bit lower than it is right now for UConn. But I think the top talent that we think of that associates with the Huskies, that's still there, and they're still going to rise to the level of, you know, whether they're playing South Carolina or whether they're playing a Big east schedule. So I think we'd still probably think of UConn similarly as a great team. I just don't think they'd have, like, the necessarily, what is it, 10 undefeated regular seasons to look at, but have the Natties at the end of the year, who really cares, right?
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Thanks, Fritz, for the question. And hopefully you're not, like, lobbying for that at some point. I know there's a lot of fans that would like for the UConn to be in a bigger conference, but we'll see. Maybe we're helping you because you did say Indianapolis and there is a particular NCAA office that's there. So I'm just. I'm just curious. I'm just curious. All right, y', all, that is all we've got for you today. We will be back with more on the W and women's college hoops. As always, make sure y' all check out. There's gonna be a very special interview that we talked about on this show dropping in your feed on Sunday, so we're gonna make sure you guys have that individually. Until then, if you haven't already, do your job, subscribe, tell your friends about us. Go like this on YouTube. Drop a comment, send in a mailbag question. We'll be here ready to answer them. All right, we'd love to hear from you guys. On behalf of the Athletics, Chantelle Jennings and Sabrina Merchant, I'm Zena Kada thanking you for listening and we'll see you next time. No Offseason is hosted by Zena Keda with Chantelle Jennings. Jennings and Sabrina Merchant is produced by Tanika Burrell. Our executive producer is Andrea B. Scott. Our theme music is by Marcus Bugalla. Monica Compton is our video editor. Shannon Ryan is managing editor of women's basketball at the Athletic. Jessie Burton is our head of audio and Tim McMaster is director of audio operations.
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