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Where the Shift Began: Inside the 2019 WNBA Draft Class
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I'm Sabrina Merchant.
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And I'm Ben Pickman.
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Today on the show, the 2019 WNBA Draft Class was a landmark group for the league. Celebrated for its depth, versatility and the immediate impact. We're talking Jackie Young Phi Collier, Marina Mabry Arikembowale Ezzy Magbagor, Sophie Cunningham. The names and the list go on and on. And seven seasons later, we're asking the big question, what if the teams had the chance to draft again? Especially knowing everything we know now. So today, just for a little fun, as we're in the in between, you know, WNBA off season drama and NCAA, we're going to redraft that 2019 class. Not based on hype or projections, but on how these players have actually developed, performed and shaped the league. But first, let's catch up on all the current coaching developments in the wnba. Last Friday, the Portland Fire officially announced the hiring of Alex Sarama, an assistant coach with the Cleveland Cavaliers, as their new head coach. A move that general manager Vanya Ternevich says aligns with the team's long term vision. We talked about this a little bit last week when the whole LinkedIn debacle happened in regards to this announcement. But Sabrina, thinking about what Vanya said around the fact that Alex Sarama aligns with their vision, he's a player development coach. He's coined this new term of constraints led approach. He's got this whole system that it's picking up like fire in the NBA and now he's going to be in the WNBA and there's already some WNBA players executing it. What kind of system do you think the Alexarama is going to bring to the Fire and how might that shape their future?
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Yeah, I think the system, you know, cla is not so much about the basketball they're going to play on the court. It's more from a developmental perspective and how you run practices and how you sort of develop in the absence of muscle memory and things like that. I think the word align is really important that Vanya used in the press release because, you know, you think about a young coach who doesn't have head coaching experience at, you know, the NBA level or the G League level and certainly not the WNBA level. And presumably it's going to take some time for him to figure out that part of the job. Like he's obviously very well renowned for his player development. You know, Bonafides like the Cleveland Cavaliers swear by him and they were, you know, the number one record in the east last year of the NBA. And Darius Garland's talking about how he had so much fun in the practice with like the pool noodles that Alex Serama is like smacking him with during drills and stuff and all that's great, but it's a very different job stepping over from development to running the whole program. And Portland Fire are an expansion team and we see what happened with Golden State in their first expansion season. But that's not the norm. Right. It usually takes some time for teams to get their footing and my only hope is that you've made this hire presumably a person that Vanya Cernovich really likes and is impressed with and believes in his potential. But I think it's going to take some time and ownership, front office, the coach all have to be aware that it's a Runway. Right. And we've seen so many of these jobs in the WNBA where they don't get time. Right. Chris Koul Klan has got one year. Teresa Weatherspoon got one year. I just hope that everyone is very clear eyed about what the situation could be and not expecting the moon right away because he's stepping into a very, very different role than he has been in previous stops in his basketball career.
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Yeah, being someone that was the director of player development that did so well in doing so then gets the promotion to being an assistant coach. Very different than calling the X's and O's and being in charge of not only development of players but the actual execution out on the floor. This is an interesting, you know, route for Portland to go with, especially considering what we've seen with some of these other first year head coaches that were assistants that did a lot of player development work but had not been in those big time shoes. So we'll see what happens with Alex Rama. But that's not the only job that's available and that's open that Alex took off the board. Ben, you've been covering the WNBA coaching developments, really getting into the nitty gritty of who's interviewing and all the above. It's really interesting so far. Any insight on what team might be next to make a move?
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Next? Not exactly sure. I mean the other openings we should say New York Liberty having parted ways with Sandy Brandello, Seattle Storm, Noel Quinn is out there. Toronto obviously an expansion team much like the Portland Fire. And then what am I missing? The Dallas Wings as you mentioned, Chris Coclanis out after one year. I think all the searches seem to be in very different points. I mean one of the interesting little pieces of hang up gossip that I learned from my story for the end of last week was that Sandy Brondello, whose name, you know, has been linked to and has talked with Dallas, Seattle and Toronto, she was on vacation around 10 days ago or two weeks ago and that kind of held up for people. I Talked to some of the coaching cycle and it's just kind of funny that, like a real life vacation. More power to Sandy Brondello. Put a pause in the process, you know, for my reporting that the Toronto Tempo search kind of centers around Sandy Brondello, though she is also a candidate in Dallas and in Seattle, not a candidate in New York. The New York Liberty have been looking at coaches with a lot of NBA experience or NBA G League experience. So that's a wide range of names that ranges from former players like Lindsey Harding and Christy Tolliver, the top assistant of the Phoenix Mercury, to names who are, you know, in the N NBA or NBA G League circles. Will Weaver, a former assistant coach of the Nets, the Brooklyn Nets, has interviewed with the New York Liberty. Or Joseph Blair, who is a former assistant coach of the Wizards and the Timberwolves and now the head coach of the Houston Rockets G League team. He is also interviewed for the New York Liberty. So their search is kind of all. All over the place, I guess. And we should say when we publish these stories like this is only a sampling of the names. It's what we can learn and what we can confirm. That doesn't mean that they've only talked to four people or five people or three people. It's just all that we know 100% right now.
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First and foremost, when I've read that part about Sandy Brandello being on vacation and basically holding up this whole kind of coaching domino effect, shout out to you, Sandy. Shout out to you for not allowing anyone to pressure you out of enjoying your time off. But I imagine the second she comes back, as you mentioned in your piece, if she takes her job, whether it's in Dallas, whether it's in Seattle, then, you know, the next opportunities will be filled. I'm curious, as you kind of laid out some of these folks that are in the G League circle, in the NBA circle, we talk about the fact that Vanya Chernovich in Portland just hired Alex Rama, who was in NBA Europe, essentially NBA Madrid, you know, crossed paths with her. From that NBA international perspective. In the conversations, what are you finding that teams are valuing in terms of experience and also like crossover? Because we know the number one thing that people have been talking about is why aren't former players getting more of an opportunity? And Lindsey Harding was in that conversation. Brian January, Christy Toliver, of course. But you're also looking at some of these coaches that are tied to the NBA or tied to overseas. Where do they fit into this conversation?
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Yeah, I mean, before even thinking about the ties and how many years someone has been an assistant. I think right now we're really in an era where people need to think about the alignment, as Sabrina said, that kind of relational alignment between the top basketball executive, the person making the hiring, and the head coach. Right. Vanya Chernovik and Alexarama, they work together at the London Lions in London. They have familiarity with. From there, they have philosophical alignment. If you look at some recent hires from last offseason, Sidney Johnson, you know, he was a former Chicago sky assistant. Yeah, he had some experience coaching on the men's side, but he had a very close relationship with John Thompson, the former Georgetown coach who was involved in the Washington Mystics hiring search. We saw Chris Coclantis obviously has that relationship history, relational history with Kurt Miller when he was getting that job. That's not to say that is the only reason someone gets a job. But that familiarity with people I think really does go a long way in terms of making these possible decisions. Right. In the Dallas Wings situation, one of the names that, you know, we've heard has been interested or is linked to this job, Nikki Collin. Right. She is the current Baylor head coach. Well, Kurt Miller has known Nikki Collin for more than two decades. They worked on a staff together all the way back. I want to say it's 2001 with Colorado State. So that kind of personal, again, this is someone you're going to work with that you're. You're basically hitching your wagon to, that you need that alignment with. And so that is really, really important. And that, I think, is a starting point for a lot of these searches. More than you know. How many years have you been an assistant coach? Did you work in the NBA? Like, this stuff comes first. It's about the people and the connections. And then I think, frankly, a lot of the other factors that you mapped out, Xena, come from there.
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What's also interesting, Ben, you just mentioned that John Thompson was part of the Sidney Johnson search for the Washington Mystics. And the whole concept of the search is interesting, especially on the basketball side of things. We know that they have these big search firms look for the executives and, you know, the folks that are in the big front office positions. And then some teams use search firms for their coaches and some don't. Jonathan Kolb just said he wasn't. And we know that that might not be the case for other teams. Can you break that down? Like, is that something Jonathan Kolb has done in the past? Is this something that's pretty normal for teams to utilize A search firm.
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Yeah. I don't know what New York has done in the past as it relates to search firms. I will say last year, last off season, three franchises, I guess. Yeah, three. At least three used search firms. And there's a number of kind of reasons for that. Number one, it helps you kind of create a broad candidate pool. One reason that someone though explained to me that I think is kind of interesting as it relates to why a search firm is used is it provides a team with, I guess a team and candidate with some plausible deniability, some coverage, so to speak, in case your candidate is interested. And when someone like me calls and says, hey, have you interviewed with this person or have you been in contact with this person? And they can say, well, no, no they haven't and they're not lying to someone like me or to Sabrina. The search firm has kind of serves as the intermediary for the team and for the agent. And so that is another benefit of using a search firm for a lot of these teams. You can both create a wide network and yeah, you might not think about it, but you can create some deniability, plausible deniability in the actual search as it progresses. Especially. That's especially helpful if a team swings big or is like, you know, trying to get the biggest names out there.
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You know what that makes me think about? Any news headline. I'm thinking of like in all sports now, teams being like, no, we haven't talked to them. It's like, technically you're right, right, you haven't talked to them. The search firms have. Interesting. Okay, I like it. All right, well, on the other side of the break, we're going to talk about the 2019 redraft, but we'll definitely keep you guys posted on everything that's going on with these coaches. Tell me if I'm alone here. No off season listeners, but shopping used to feel more fun before all the algorithm fed blah and the endless sea of dupes. But I have a confession. I found that fun feeling again on ebay. It's not mindless scrolling. It is a fashion pursuit. And when you score that rare Adidas collab or the Dior saddlebag you've been manifesting, it's a rush. Ebay has millions of pre loved fines from hundreds of brands backed by the ebay authenticity guarantee. EBay, things people love.
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Right, so the 2019 WNBA Draft class was stacked, plain and simple. When you look across the group, this is kind of like the class before the 2024 class, right? They were loaded with game changers, defensive disruptors, high IQ ballers, players that have gone on to make a name for themselves. In today's wnba, we have stars like Jackie Young, Arike Gumbawale, Nafisa Collier because of the 2019 class. And they also revealed some hidden gems as well that have carved out some good careers in the WNBA as well. So this class wasn't just about talent. It kind of represented the turning point, at least in my eyes. The turning point before the big boom. Right? We kind of look at 2024 as this big advancement in terms of the big personalities as well as talents that came into the league in the Caitlin Clark, Angel, Reese Cambrink, Rekia Jackson era. But before that class came in, it was this one. This was the class that had made history in the ways that people were viewing them, the ways that people were tied onto their storylines. The competitions between schools like this was a huge, huge class. So before we get to redrafting, I want to talk big picture about this class and how they shaped the league today, how their entrance into the WNBA changed, how the CBA was negotiated, how player performance, team dynamics, and just the broader WNBA landscape overall changed. Sabrina I always, like that's how I characterize it, is this class was the class that really was the vessel to ask for more because the older players were able to say, look at who we're bringing in, look at how good we are, and look how good we're going to be. How would you characterize it and what this class has done for the league?
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Well, there's a few ways. I think one of the things that's interesting about this draft class is it comes out of a really dramatic time for college basketball in 2018 and 2019. You're in this post Brianna Stewart, UConn phase where there's actually competition at the top of college basketball again. And we had these really, really exciting final fours in 2018 and 2019. You think about all the Notre Dame game winners, Riga Gumbawale game winners in 2018 when they win the national title. And then in 2019, I think the four or three games in the final four were collectively decided by seven points. You know, it was just a really, really intense set of games and it provided this boost of popularity in college basketball. And the draft class was really able to build off of that. Like we saw, I mean, it's hard to say big boom considering, like the numbers that we see now in the wnba. But it provided like this, you know, upward surge in terms of excitement in the wnba because this was one of the first classes, like in recent memory that was able to take that fandom from college and translate it into the wnba. And we started to see a little bit of a surge before the pandemic. And you talk about, you know, this class being able to ask for more like, I think all the time about the the Long Departed T with A and Fee podcast. And like they had an episode with Arika Gumbowale on it and Afisa Collier was on it and they were talking about how, like, after the new cba, all these salaries went up and they were still the the lowest paid players in the wnba and all of these difficulties they were having with the advent of prioritization and just it was the first class that felt that they could actually sort of modernize the experience of being a WNBA player. Like they had the capacity and the wherewithal and the popularity and just the ability to do that. And I think it all starts with just what they were able to accomplish in college and that popularity that they've created for the NCAA tournament that just kept flowing into the wnba.
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I appreciate that you map all that out, Sabrina, because for me, like I think this class is just important because of the on court impact that they have made. Like the sheer number of players who have contributed from this group is simply more than any other class in recent memory. I'm going to throw one statistic out. If you use basketball reference, they have a win share statistic and it's kind of a catch all impact statistic. There are 10 players so far from the 2019 class who so far in their careers have win shares. Their total win share is more than 10. If you look at it, that is by that is the most in the last 20 years. Only 2008 also had 10. And if you look at some of the drafts in recent memory, 2016 has just four players with win share totals over 1020-1752-0185-2022 had 2. 2021 has 0. Currently, you know, some of these more recent classes we're going to have to see. Obviously we're going to let these players develop. But what is so impressive about the 2019 draft is, you know, so often we think of WNBA drafts as just first round concentrations of talent and if you go outside the first five or six picks, it's like who knows what you're getting. You could really get a contributing player. 15, 16, 17, 19. The second to last pick in the third round in this 2019 draft, Liya Rue, we'll bring her up like she's contributing. We have players who made an impact early and maybe are not making as much of an impact now. We also have kind of late bloomers, so to speak. Players who did not make much of an impact in their first couple of seasons and now are playing huge roles. Like, that's why to me this class is so, so interesting. And we really do see the impact of it pretty much on all the competitive teams around the WNBA today.
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And there's your proof of just how balanced this class was in terms of their impact both on and off the court. And that's why it feels like they were the first coming of what we're seeing today in personality, in brand, but then also in sheer basketball talent. So let's get to our redraft. The way we're going to do this is we're going to go position by position in the first round only. Okay. And we're going to say who actually got picked at that position. And then we did a random order draft generator. Ben is going to go first, Sabrina is going to go second, I will go third. And we're basically going to just snake draft through number one, number two, number three, number four, and we'll see how this actually ends up going. Ben, are you ready? You get, I don't know what your your percentages were, but you ended up with the first pick in the 2019 draft. And the actual first pick in the 2019 draft was Jackie Young out of Notre Dame and she went to the Las Vegas Aces. Ben, who are you drafting at number one?
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Yeah, so really the first and second pick in our redraft, I think is the first interesting question that I think we all encountered because there are two names that I think have separated themselves as a tier among all others. That is Jackie Young, as you mentioned, and Nafisa Collier, who goes number six in the actual exercise to the Minnesota Links, which was a crazy questionable pick at the time, I think in the eyes of a lot of people and obviously has not aged very well considering how good of a career fee has had. Jackie Young, like a fascinating career because she really did start slow. She joked or joked about it. I don't know. Would you call it a joke, Sabrina, at the finals or just reflected on it when she took a shot at Bill Laimbeer having her play point guard. What word would you use?
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I didn't think she took a shot at Bill Lambert for having her play point guard. I mean, I thought that was a very useful experience for her. Having to go through that, just becoming the ball handler that she is now and you know, the shot creator that she is. I thought the only like joke that she was taking was when Asia Wilson asked if she got any like rookie of the year votes and she's like, no, not even close.
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Not even close. And we should say that is all because Jackie Young is kind of a late bloomer of sorts in this category because it really was, you know, her career has escalated exponentially since Becky Hammond took over as the coach of the Las Vegas Aces. All of which is to say a long preamble. Jackie Young, a very good argument can be made for her to be first in this exercise. But I am going to go with Nafisa colleague who to me, you know, has proven that she can be the best player on a championship level team to come within seconds of Winning a championship. She has been, you know, one of the best defensive players in the league, has an unguardable shot. And in an era right now in the wnba where having a elite front court player to build around is seemingly like, as important as any position around, and we've talked about that over the summer, I give her the slightest of slight edges. But if you want to make the Jackie Young case, Sabrina, I guess you're picking second. I think you're smiling because you're pretty happy here. No real issues there.
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What's interesting about Nafisa Collier is you mentioned she goes sixth in the first in the actual iteration of the 2019 draft. And I think that just represents such an interesting vantage of how the league has evolved since then because she was sort of considered a tweener, like a 3, 4. Not really sure what position she played kind of in between. Even though she was massively productive at UConn, you know, an All American her last three seasons at UConn, and to go from that to six in the draft behind some players who will get to them, like, it's a little confusing that she ended up being selected behind these players. It was because I think there was just a confusion of, like, what. What she was going to play. And we've seen this evolution of the w, where your 4 and 5 are no longer just like, strict back to the basket bigs. There's a lot more skill involved with the four position. There's a lot more versatility involved there. Right. Like, you can play on the perimeter. You can, you know, do a lot of things at that position that we've talked about, you know, in our power forward conversation from earlier this summer. But there wasn't that imagination, I think, of what Nafeesa Collier could be in that role. It was like, oh, she's gonna have to be a small forward because she's too small to play the power forward because she comes into the WNBA at 6 foot 2 and that's just not where the league is anymore. Right. To have all of that skill as an asset at that position, it's not a hindrance, and it just gives you a little lens as to how different the league looked in 2019 versus how it looks, you know, 2025, looking back at that draft. Okay, but again, all of that preamble to our second pick.
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What's your pick?
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Yeah, yeah. So the second pick was made by the New York Liberty in 2019. They end up taking 80 Dirr out of Louisville, and their career ultimately is unfortunately affected by long Covid and it just doesn't really go the way that anybody thought it was going to go. But you know, in the redraft, I think it's interesting that we have decided that there's a tier of two players because there is another player in this draft who is like a multi time all star, a scoring champion and like pretty much an iconic player. And I'm not even considering her here because it's pretty clearly Jackie Young for me at number two, you know, two time Olympian, three time champion, just an unguardable wing. You know, she was a bit of a late limereau, but that part of it is because she came out of college early. Like she left after three years to join the WNBA because she could buy the age limit. Just a little peek back into the 2019 draft. Nobody knew who was even going to be in the draft like three days before it happened. You know, you think about all these players in the final four who have an opportunity to exercise an extra year of eligibility. Jackie Young chooses not to, right? She goes into the draft, another player in her position, Sabrina Nescu, chooses to go back to school, right? So we could have been looking at a situation where Sabrina Escu gets drafted by the Aces and Jackie Young gets drafted by the New York Liberty. And how does that change the last five years of the wnba, right? Just having those players on opposite coasts versus, you know, the parts of the rivalry that they ended up assuming. So as it happens, Jackie Young is the one who's eligible for this draft and I think is a pretty solid choice for New York at number two here.
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Okay, so we've got Ben choosing Fee, Jackie Young at number two for New York Liberty. Sabrina, you kind of did my preamble very easily for me. Interestingly enough, Arika and Gubbwale for the Indiana Fever. I mean we know the production that she had in college at Notre Dame, her ability to hit those shots. Also the close in proximity to Indiana, not necessarily through, you know, Notre Dame, but like not too far off. I think the Midwest would have appreciated keeping their star there. But yeah, I think Eureka Gubael is somebody that you can absolutely build a team around. And I think that she would have been a great fit at number three instead of Tierra McCowan, even though. And I know people are gonna be like, really? You're big Xena, how dare you not go with a big in this moment. I do think that Tierra McClon is one of those players that we would put in that tier of started out. I think the situation in Dallas did Not play out well for her, of course, ending up being waived this season from the team. But still thinking about who would I build a team around in. Out of this draft and pick high? It's gotta be Enrique for me.
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No qualms there. I think Enrique, a star at Notre Dame. You mentioned it. We should say Notre Dame, too, has five players in this draft. Go in the first 19 picks. It's a historic class for them. Zena, I think you're back up, too, at number four.
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Oh, yeah. Okay. So at number four. Okay. This time I do think I'm gonna get a big, but I'm not gonna get the big. That was at 4 originally. That was Katie Lou Samuelson out of UConn, and she's kind of a wing big, played alongside Nafeesa Collier in those monumental games in the 2018, 2019 NCAA Finals, and someone that was just very versatile. And we've known that Katie Lou Samuelson, she's experienced some injuries throughout her career. That's not to say that her production has not been good. We just haven't seen enough out of her. But one player that I have seen a ton out of, and I do think that the situation she finds herself in now in Minnesota has allowed us to see not only her defensive prowess, but just how much of a connectivity person she is, a glue person she can be for a team. So I at number four, I'm going with Alanna Smith out of Stanford, and I'm pricking her there for the Chicago sky.
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So we should say for Alanna Smith, she was originally was taken at number eight by Phoenix in this draft. So she goes four spots earlier in her redraft. I love the fact that she ends up in Chicago, which, you know, we think about her time in Minnesota. Chicago is really the place where she rediscovered her WNB career under James Wade in 2023. Again, another, like, a modern way of looking at this draft. Right. Like in 2019, you wanted the six seven big, who was gonna, you know, dominate the paint. Now you want the mobile six four big who can kind of take threes, spread the floor, and also defend every position. Right. It's just a different way of looking at the game now than it was back when the stress happened.
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G
It's just interesting. Alanna Smith is, like, the trajectory of her career is fascinating to me because I will always think back to the 2021 finals. That was the first finals that I covered in person. And, you know, you cover these finals and you can talk to anyone you want at any time, and almost no One throughout the series was talking to Alanna Smith because she was basically the end of the bench on the Phoenix Mercury. And I just remember a conversation I had with her then. Not about how she was playing because she was not playing, but in the course of reporting out a story on the Phoenix Mercury and what made them gel and how they became so connected, I learned that Sandy Brondello through this big, like, July 4th party at her house that weekend, and Alanna Smith beat Diana Taurasi in beer pong. And I went up to Alana Smith and I was like, what was it like to beat Diana Taurasi in beer pong? And we talked about beer pong for probably five minutes and going up against Taurasi, and it was this unbelievable, like, little story. But that's a window as to where Atlanta Smith was at that time in her career. Flash forward, obviously, like, I mean, she's one of the best defensive players in the league. And encore bloomer. And you want one more crazy stat about Atlanta Smith that I learned in the course of this. She has played or she has averaged exactly 26 and a half minutes for exactly the last three seasons. Um.
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A
Wow. Pretty random.
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G
Weird, but pretty random. But I like Lana Smith as his pick here. Solid choice, you know.
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A
Thank you. I appreciate that. Now we got up at number five, who originally was Arike Gumbawale to the Dallas Wings.
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D
I don't think a lot of us are giving much consideration to the teams that are drafting in these situations. Like, there are some fun coincidences, but when you have a top five pick, I don't really think you need to draft for a fit. You just want to draft the best player available. And this is interesting because we have a player left on this board who's been an All Star. We have some really high quality role players. I'm not even considering the three players who are in the top five that we ended up drafting over because there's just so many players later in this draft who are significantly more interesting to me. But.
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A
Let'S see.
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D
I think at number five, I would take the last All Star on this board. I would take Ezzy McVegore for number five for the Dallas Wings.
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A
Ooh, that's nice. I was. I was between the two of them, Alana and Ezzy, because of exactly what you mentioned. Like, both of them defensive powerhouses, hold down the anchor and also can shoot the outside three. Alana a little bit better than Ezzy. I actually don't know if that's statistically true, but from just watching the game. I feel like Atlanta pulls it so much quicker than Ezzy does. And Ezzy typically finds herself in that top of the key versus Atlanta just a little bit everywhere, especially wings and corners too. But I, I like this pick a lot. And you're right, the agility of the forwards is something that we value much more because looking at the fact that Tierra McCowan was the number three pick out of Mississippi State and her former Dallas wings, like twin tower Kehlani Brown was also a top pick, like this shows there was a different mindset around what was important, especially and trying to like build your future of a team.
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D
Yeah. And also just like you're drafting Ezzy Magnagore at this age. She was 19 years old when she was drafted. You know, she's still only 26 years old. So it just gives you a little bit of a longer Runway when you're thinking about the future of your franchise.
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G
Good pick, Sabrina. Now things I think get really hard. Now this is where the exercise takes a turn and it becomes a matter of there are a lot of players that I think we could see go in a number of different places. It ranges from, I mean, should I throw out some of the names we want to hear, some of the role players or should I just pull one out and you can react in a separate way?
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A
I want to give away all the.
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D
Players who are available.
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G
I'm going to go with another Notre Dame player. Sabrina. Any guesses on which Notre Dame player I'm going to pull out?
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D
Well, there's three left.
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G
So there's three left.
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A
I think I know.
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G
Yeah, my guess is a Garnier.
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A
I think it's Marina.
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G
I'm going to go way off the board. Then give me Jess Shepard.
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A
Oh, man, what a pick.
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G
Give me Jess Shepard, who compared to other players in this draft class, she has played only five WNBA seasons. She sat out some because of international commitments, but of players in this class, she has the fifth highest win shares per 40 minutes. And basically what that tells me is that when Jess Shepard plays and when she gets run, she is really, really good. And we have seen that in spurts in Minnesota. She doesn't have the resume lines as Marina Mabry, as Sophie Cunningham, as Bree Turner, even as, I guess Tierra McCowan has some, you know, a statistical case for this as well. But like, I don't know, there's something about can I get Jess Shepard some opportunity? If she played starter level minutes, I think she could be an even more impactful WNBA player than she is right now. So in that regard, I am kind of banking on potential here too. We haven't seen it as much. You might not be as high profile, but yeah, that's who I'm taking at number six again.
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D
Funny that the Minnesota Links still end up with Josh Shepard because this was their original pick for Nafisa Collier back in 2019.
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A
Yeah, I do really. I think Jess shepherd has worked her way into my heart as a versatile big. She has some of the best footwork I have seen in terms of just like positioning yourself outside of I look at like someone like Angel Reese. And the way that she consistently finds herself under the basket position and in front of people boxing out like Jess shepherd, that low block, weak side is just like, it's lethal for her. And she has found a way. I think people that probably didn't know her game because she had some years out of the league, like did not know that she's capable of putting the ball on the deck and close to the basket and maneuvering around folks really, really well. Would you guys say that she had that at Notre Dame or is that something that you feel like she's developed throughout the league, her time in the league?
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D
Well, I mean, part of the reason that she's missed time in the WNBA was because of injuries and you know, that's also something that happened at Notre Dame. But she's actually a transfer. She didn't even spend her entire college career at Notre Dame. She started at Nebraska, but I mean she was an all American. She had the sort of really good paint game. She averaged like I think 17 points her senior season at Notre Dame. So I think the potential has always been there for her. The fact that she went in the second round of this draft originally just shows you how deep of a class it was then and still remains.
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G
Yeah, exactly. I'm going to go because it's we're sneaking, I guess I have the number seven pick and I'm going to take another player from Notre Dame. We now have two players left in the top 19 guessing game. I'm going to take Marina Mabry with the seventh pick here and Marina Babri, another one of these players who her career has really blossomed over the last five or six seasons. You know, she's now averaging consistently 14 points per game. She's proven to be a high octane scorer. Yes. You know, efficiency remains kind of a question, but teams, you know, are trying to build offenses in part around Marina Mabry as a, you know, lead second, third option and she's proven that she can Score at a very high level. I'm okay with this pick. Yes. She hasn't made an all star team. Yeah, There are some other names you can probably kind of look at, but we'll go with Marina and her development. Sabrina, I know you were around her. We should say Marina Mabry, 19 too, to the Los Angeles Sparks. Right. That was where she started and you were around her her rookie and as her career got going, like, what do you remember about young Marina?
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D
Well, I just love that again, Ben has picked a player who was drafted in the second round by the same team because number seven was Kehlani Brown to the Sparks originally. And good work there. Marina was their second round pick. Probably would have been fine as their first round pick, honestly, considering how their careers have gone. Can't say the same for Jess shepherd and APIs Collier. But yeah, Marina was just so. I don't want to say overwhelmed, but like, thought everything very quickly in her rookie year. I remember one of the funniest things is like, she didn't even know who Derek Fisher was when she first got drafted and just was like, oh, this guy calling me from the coach that I was the coach of the team that I was drafted to. And her mom's like, he played next to Kobe. You should know who this guy is.
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You should know who he is for sure. What that's not.
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D
And considering Rudy maybe eventually develops his relationship with Koby and makes spend some time at the mom Academy, it's very funny that she'd know who he was at first, but just, yeah, sort of like a chicken with her head cut off. Just like every time she would get the ball in the half court. Because this is like a pretty stacked Sparks team. You're talking about Chelsea Gray, Neko Gulmike, Alaina Beard, Candace Parker. Like, there was a lot of talent on the court at any given time. And so if she was ever like, even got the ball in the half court, she would just chuck it up right away. Like, she just did not make decisions very well at the start of her career. And so that was always a learning experience for her, just trying to slow the game down. And I think it's so interesting that you see her going from that position where she's surrounded by some of the very best players who have ever played this game. And she goes to Connecticut, that is such a young team, you know, and she gets to mentor the likes of Layla Lacan and Saniya Rivers and Denise Amoro and like taking these experiences that she had with the best vets possible and now having to learn how to like, make things easier for her young teammates. It's just such a fun transition to see Marina Mabry have considering where she started her WNBA career.
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A
That's cool perspective. I don't think I realized she was on that stack of a team.
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D
Yeah, that was a very good Sparks team. Very good Sparks team. Wouldn't know it from their playoff performance, but yeah, yeah. Okay. Number eight, this is a pick by the Phoenix Mercury was originally Atlanta Smith in real time and has been noted they didn't get a lot out of Atlanta in Phoenix. I'm going to continue a little bit of a trend here. I'm going to take who the Phoenix Mercury took in the second round with their first round pick and go with Sophie Cunningham. I think another sort of versatile combo 4 type of player, pretty tough, can make threes like having her as your teammate in the right situations. But just another player who positionally makes a lot more sense in the modern era of the WNBA than she might have in 2019. But just a hell of a shooter, a hell of a scorer coming out of school. She basically put Mizzou basketball on the map when she was in college. And obviously there was a lot of comparisons to her feisty personality and Diana's feisty personality when she got in Phoenix. And I think that was a good spot for her. So why not? Let's just keep her in Phoenix. Just had a different spot, a different draft order.
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I like it. That's tough. I was gonna go with Sophie next for me. So now I'm trying to rethink this here. Number nine had Christine Anigue from the Connecticut sun out of the uk originally born. I'm actually gonna go away from the trend of choosing a player.
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D
I mean, you could do it though.
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I really could do it. Because their second round pick was Bridget Carlton. And I'm like, but I kind of want the person that went right after her and that is Kennedy Burke out of ucla.
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G
Wow.
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And I really just believe that Kennedy Burke had been sitting as a just a landmine landmine hiding on the New York Liberty's bench. And we have now seen her capability of again being able to shoot the lights out. I mean, she led the WNBA in three point percentage for majority of the season this past year. Now, were her attempts on par with some of the other guards in the league? No. But still the efficiency was ridiculous. Then her ability to come off the bench and just constantly be a connector between starting lineups and the bench for New York Liberty, especially as they had personnel missing throughout the season, like Kennedy Burke has kind of come into her own now. And I can only imagine if she would have gotten a sooner Runway under the likes of who was already in Connecticut at that time, which I believe Morgan Tuck was still playing and was in Connecticut. And Jonquil Jones is on that team who she eventually plays with obviously in New York. And we know Alyssa Thomas was on the team. Morgan Tuck was on that team. Morgan Tuck to me is a person that she really could have learned from. From the perspective of like coming in as a six player, coming in as someone that's a role player and then finding a little bit more of your game alongside some of these big stars. And then of course Brianna Jones was on that team too. So Kennedy Burke, someone that has kind of evolved as like this small forward, big power forward really. I think that Connecticut would have been a great place for her to kind of land and learn from. So I'm gonna go with Connecticut over Bridget. I might regret that, but we'll see.
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G
To me there, I would have gone with two other bigs, I guess over Kennedy Burke here. I totally respect the choice, but I think we're having a little bit of Tierra McCowan recency bias slander considering what her career has meant. I mean Tara McCowan goes number three in this draft to the Indiana Fever. You want to take a guess how many players since 2010 have averaged at least 10 points and at least 7 rebounds over the course of their first 6 seasons? Anyone have a guess there?
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Such a random 6 season social graphics.
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What a random stat is correct.
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I feel like that's like three concepts.
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Of how to answer this.
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2010.
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It is four players and it is Brianna Stewart, it is Tina Charles, it is Neko Gumake and It is Chair McCowan. They are the only four players in the league since 2010 who averaged at least 10 and seven do their first six seasons. I thought for sure that Tier McCowan, you know, might not be the ideal big for this moment in the wnba. But like she can still contribute in a WNBA environment. She has proven to be a contributing player.
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Yeah.
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You know, across the wnba. So yes I, I see the Kennedy Burke, the shooting, the career year. Just want to throw Tierra McCow's name because I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous that as we near the end of the first round here that she wasn't going to get.
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D
Picked and you have another pick, Ben. It wasn't going to happen.
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G
Yeah, we'll see how the board shakes out here. There's some other names too, but I just want to get on a serious.
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D
Case for not taking her at number nine if you want. You weren't gonna take her at number 12. Kay.
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G
I honestly considered her at number six, so I thought about it at number six.
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D
So then you shouldn't be worried that she's not gonna go by number 12. Point.
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Ben. I do think that we are not only biased by the type of basketball we're seeing now, right? This like movement, five out, being able to shoot and switch with whomever's in front of you. Like, I think we are absolutely biased and I think that's probably why I'm like, Tierra McCown was a double double machine year prior to her being waived. Like, she was constantly putting up. It was just a matter of like us yelling at the TV to be like, get her the ball. Put the ball inside. Like, figure it out. So yeah, no, I think I am a little bit biased. I do have another pick and now I'm like, did you influence me? I don't know, because I feel like I might now go get Bridget Carlton. But I'm like, I don't know. I feel like I just really, really like Bridget Carlton. I think, you know, she's obviously contributing guard to what Minnesota has built over the last few years and we saw that she's like, bout it this year. I didn't know that Bridget Carlton was ready for some action out on the court and we saw that in action this season and I was like, okay, Bridget Carlton, so not only are you a really good shooter, not only are you someone you can be dependent upon to guard, but you also are about that action. So I feel like I want to go get Bridget Carlton. Oh, okay. Now I'm worried about Tierra, but go ahead. I think, Sabrina, it's your turn now.
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D
Yeah, I'm tempted to just like stick with the same pick because I love Bri Turner. I think she's been a pretty excellent contributor over her seven year career in the wnba. You know, we saw her just show up when Indiana needed her and like provide some good switchability on defense. And her offensive game is just a little too limited for me to want to take her in this spot. There's a player that is really interesting to me, but unfortunately has never played a WNBA minute. So it's hard for me to say in hindsight that as talented as she is that I would want her considering I basically be signing up for seven years of no WNBA production, which is not what I'm interested in. So let's see, we've already talked about Li Yoru. Yeah, I've never really been a six, seven center type of person. So we'll just take.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Natisha Heideman, you know, love a good guard who can play the one or the two, can defend, can shoot three. It's interesting. I was going back to the pre draft conversation around Natisha Heidman and it was like can she find a spot? Like does she do any one thing well enough to find a spot? And now it's like well you can put her on the court for the closing minutes of WMA finals game and things seem to work out. So yeah, let's take Nadisha Heidman here.
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G
I think it's a good pick. Sabrina. It is a super good pick. Nitisha Tiedman, another kind of like you know, when we talk about contributors from this draft class, I think this is what speaks to the depth of the class overall, right. That a player like Nishida hyman goes number 18 to the Minnesota Links fittingly enough where she has, you know, now had this resurgence. Still a find, still a contributor, still an impactful player in the WNBA playing meaningful minutes. It's rare that you find someone like that in the second round. So yeah, Sabrina, I have no, no qualms here. You mentioned though Sabrina, some of the names that now I could go with. So I guess Tierra McCowan I think I have to make per the selection but it is crazy that Brianna Turner has fallen and we should say the 12th pick was Ezzy Magma Gore to the Seattle Storm. What a value that turned out to be as he still being just 26 years old and one of the best players in this draft class as evidenced by a redraft. Bree Turner though I just want to spend one more moment on her. She was the other member, the other fifth member of the Notre Dame group that we have not talked about. Bree Turner prior to this season was the only player in this draft class who had made two all defensive first team prior to this year. Again she was still the only member of this class to be top four in defensive voting. Defensive player of the year voting twice. She was really really good with the Phoenix Mercury in her first two, three seasons. That was when she kind of had her defensive high marks. We've seen her kind of production drop off but I think she proved in Indiana she can still be a contributing role player. All that being said, I made the strong case for Tierra McCowan. So with all due respect to Brianna Turner to Li Yoru, I Think we need to acknowledge Han Shu. This was the first draft class since 1997. Well, we should say that this was the first draft class since 1997 that a Chinese player had been taken. And Han is still just 26 years old. Han goes 14 to the new York Liberty. People will always remember the 2022 season. She averages 8 1/2 points per game for the New York Liberty. Showed some real potential. We haven't really seen her make a WNBA impact since, but Honshu Liyoru, end of this third round. Serena, who are the other names that we are omitting from this draft?
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D
I mean, Kalani Brown we've talked about, had a nice little stint at the end of the finals there for Phoenix. You know, had some spot minutes for the Mercury this year. She was part of the twin towers that Xena mentioned in Dallas back a couple of years ago. I think we've hit the other names, right? Like there's some good players coming out of college who never really panned out. Like Chloe Jackson, who was the most outstanding player at the 2019 Final Four, but never really hit in the WNBA. Cena mentioned Maria Konde, you know, Katie Lou Samuelson. I think Katie. Oh my God, Katie. Louis Amelson, right, Who's still in the league, unfortunately, had to sit out this past year with the acl. But yeah, I think that's the bulk of this class though.
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G
Yeah. All of which is to say this was a really, really good draft. And to get Tierra McCowan at number 12 for me, totally fine with it. If I get a wraparound then, which we don't because we're only doing the first round. I would have taken Bree Turner as well. But honestly, just a great draft. The 2019 draft.
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D
How interesting to think how Tierra McCowan's career would have looked playing next to Natasha Howard and Brianna Stewart versus whatever was happening in Indiana back in 2019. The real dark days.
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A
The real dark days is hilarious. I'm looking at 2019 and it's so true of how much star power was just, I don't want to call it like forced into this class, but I was just talking to a friend of mine about this, the 2019 class, talking about this podcast that we were preparing for and explained to them, like you can go through, particularly after Covid, I would say the 2020 year, like there was a little bit of a drop off in terms of whether the talent was there or not. The notoriety, the fame, the storylines dropped off a little bit after Covid. And that's why? You feel as if there was just like this really big high point in 20 and all this momentum that Sabrina laid out, you know, to start this conversation and then it kind of died. And it was just like a few names one by one in each class. You know, of course Leah Boston and Ryan Howard. And you're starting to see them. But the kind of peripheral names are now popping in their third and fourth year and you're hearing people that are casual fans being like, where'd that player come from? Or where'd this third or fourth year player come from? And it's because there was kind of this lull period that didn't really pick up again until I would say the 24 class, where it's not just the number one pick that we know their name, it's all of these others underneath. But this was really fun. And the fact that it was so hard all the way through the first round, like just gives you an idea.
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G
Yeah. Should we give people a brief recap just of our teams?
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A
Okay, yeah. Ben, what were your four names again?
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G
My four names again, Xena, were Nafisa Collier were Jess Shepard, Marina Mabry and Tierra McCowan.
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A
Okay, cool, cool, cool. Sabrina.
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D
I ended up with Jackie Young, Ezzy Magbagor, Sophie Cunningham and Natisha Heideman.
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A
Okay, nice. I ended up with Arika Ngubawale, Alanna Smith, Kennedy Burke and Bridget Carlton. A lot of shooting on my team. A lot of shooting.
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D
Yeah. I think we trended a certain direction coming at this six years later.
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A
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