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Noche de Pendejadas with Alannized
Chow Baby Talks All: Working at 14, Bullying, Break Up, Drama, CHISME & MORE!!
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Angie.com Advertiser
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Podcast Host Alanized
Make it quick, young man. Aw.
- [00:16]
Angie.com Advertiser
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- [00:19]
Angie.com Narrator
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Honestly, when I saw it, I kind of like confronted him about it cuz I thought was like, kind of like, what are you even doing? Like, you know, like, why are you texting her?
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Podcast Host Alanized
What is up everyone? I'm your host, Alanized and this is no de Pindejadas, your favorite podcast turn talk show and on the influencers. So without any further ado, please help me welcome my guest tonight. Josu and Pey. Hello.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Oh my God. I'm doing amazing. How are you?
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Podcast Host Alanized
I am so excited. Welcome. I'm actually so excited to have Chow Baby Akiko Nosotros admirado her viral sounds. You guys have heard or at least seen one of her tik toks. Not really much on who is Chow Baby? But really, who is Jocelyn? What was it like preparing for today?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I just want to say thank you so much for the opportunity of being here. I did go ahead and get my nails done as well as my lashes. And I actually was working for like two hours at Infinite Glow. And after the podcast, I am going to be streaming with my friend Danny.
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Podcast Host Alanized
I know. I saw you're a busy girl. So you had like an early shift today.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes, I did.
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Podcast Host Alanized
And then livestream. I feel like you're so good at livestreaming.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Thank you.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Because I feel like you always are live streaming, right? How is that? How did you find like the love for live stream?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I feel like capturing Chao baby is really hard because like on TikTok I have to Be very energetic. And a lot of people don't get to see the real life me, but I feel like on stream they get to see like, oh, like okay, she's not annoying or like she's not too much, like she's a good in between.
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Podcast Host Alanized
I feel like it's like a good way for them to be able to know you a little bit more. You know what's so funny? I actually found you through my boyfriend telling you at Yazi's party. We had gone to San Diego. What was it like? Our summer trip. We had gone to San Diego Ima cuerdo that. That whole trip my boyfriend kept saying ciao baby, where the papas are like all trip long. And I would be like, de donde sa caste? So like worry like, why are you saying he's like, babe, you have not seen ciao baby on TikTok. And I remember, I think after that trip, like maybe like a couple days after we got back, I feel like, you know what it is? I feel like our phones listen to us because as soon as my boyfriend started talking about child baby, child baby, I feel like it is very hard to like be able to know a person just by the tick tocks because like you really do like very simple, quick tick tocks. And today I'm excited. For those at home.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Hi guys. I am Jocelyn Pena, also known as Ciao Baby, and I am a content creator. I did start taking TikTok seriously in June and now I am on TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat, Kik, and I'm excited to be starting Facebook as well.
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Podcast Host Alanized
And you know what's so crazy? I feel like you've grown so much so quickly. Less than a year ago and you're already, you know, going crazy with the numbers on TikTok on every platform. Just because I feel like it's very important to really get to know a person whenever, you know, we talk about their childhood. How was Jocelyn growing up? How would you describe your childhood?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
My personality growing up was being very outgoing. I always took everything as an opportunity growing up. Like at school I remember like I would be very, very outgoing. Like I'll be very talkative, but did get bullied as well when I was little, which they kind prevent me from making friends. So I feel like I've always been to myself. I grew up in West Covina. I do have three sisters and one brother, so I am the second child. I loved dancing growing up. I was actually in a competition dance team which kind of made me who I am today. I felt like Dance was really a big part of me. I actually did get to dance at the MDC Dance Company. And recently I actually had, like, a collab with AC15, which they brought out my Chow Baby song. But, yeah, growing up, I remember, like, I would always get ready for dance class, and, like, that was, like, my favorite memory because I would be feeling, like, really close with my sisters since they also danced with me and we performed together. I remember, like, a really funny memory was when my first dance competition, I actually forgot one of my pink costumes. And I remember just crying to my mom because it was my mom's birthday. My mom has always been, like, very supportive to me. But that day she wasn't there because it was her birthday. So my mom, my dad took her out. I remember calling her and telling her, like, if she could come. And we were an hour away, and she took that sacrifice to, like, come and give me my dance costume.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Is dance still something you do or is it something that you kind of stopped doing as you got older?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I feel like as I got older, the environment that I was in at dance, it kind of destroyed the way I looked at dance. Of course, I still keep it in my life. Like, I still dance, but not as much as I used to. I used to dance, like, a five things days out of the week. I started being Ciao baby in the summer. And I just remember my fellow dance teammates were, like, kind of making fun of me, like, because of my child, baby. They were being like, oh, you should change the way you do your content. Recently, I barely stopped dancing.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Was that, like, a hard decision to take? Because, girl, if I stopped doing something I love, was it something that you're like, you know what? Like, maybe let me try to still do it? Or was it something that we were like, you know what? Even though it hurts, I gotta stop.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
It was, like, a really hard decision for me. But my dance teacher, I want to thank him for giving us opportunities because growing up, I was underprivileged, so I wasn't able to really afford the dance costumes or the dance classes. And he did provide that for me and my sisters. So I feel like it was a hard decision since everything was fully paid, but I just couldn't keep dancing because I felt like I didn't really belong there anymore.
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Podcast Host Alanized
I feel like sometimes your mental peace is more important than the love for something. The environment can really make you hate something you love, and that's something that you pick up again if it really is, like, something you love doing. Quiero platicaro poquito mas de environment at home. How would you describe, you know, your home life? Like, do you feel like you had strict parents? Was it like a fun environment? Was it loving? Was it chaotic home life?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I feel like growing up, I did have strict parents. My parents did not let me go out, and whenever I would go out, it'll be with my sisters, and I wouldn't be able to go out unless I had my sister with me. It was like a loving environment because I had my sisters with me and like, I'm really close with them, so I get to, like, share my life with them. Now that I have more following, I am able to, like, bless them with, like, things like gifts as well. Growing up, I did have strict parents, so it was really hard for me to connect to them. Now I have a healthy relationship with them. I feel like I wasn't really like a mommy's girl or daddy's girl. I was like, always very to myself. Since I grew up getting, like, bullied and like, kind of hated on by my classmates, I felt like I wasn't really able to connect to my parents or like, open up about that to them. I feel like I didn't really want to tell them, like, what had happened to me because I felt like they already had so much on their plate, so I didn't really want to burden them with, like, oh, like, Jocelyn's getting bullied at school, like, what can we do? And since all of my sisters went to the same school, it was more easier for me to just keep going to that school since my parents did have to be hard workers and work.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Quiero platicaro un poquito de so mestavas contando, you know, that you are the daughter of, you know, immigrant parents. And I feel like, you know, as same with me. I feel like when we grow up like that, we almost feel like, that pressure to succeed. So like our parents, sacrifices can be worth it. What was it like growing up with immigrant parents in Que TRA Bajaban? And did you ever see them, like, make any sacrifices or struggle to make ends meet that maybe at the time you didn't understand, but now that you're older, you're like, damn, like, my parents really struggled and worked their asses to really be able to provide what they were providing.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Being a daughter of immigrants did really shape me, like, who I am today because I was able to see, like, how much sacrifice that they made for me and my siblings. My dad and my mom are really hard workers. My dad started working when he was only 15. Years old in construction. He had to be like the only one. And he was the youngest one out of his family that did go ahead and start working for his whole family when they came here to United States. And my mom, 22 years ago, she did come to the United States to give her kids a better chance in life. Growing up with that mentality did pressure me to want to succeed more. And I feel like I have a really big drive and I'm really consistent of what I do because of that too. Back in Covid in 2020, my dad wasn't able to work because, I mean, he had his own business and it was like a really hard period of time in that economy. And I remember I was still in dance, but I would do online classes through Zoom, but we still had to pay. So I remember just sitting there in my bed, like searching up like jobs that a 10 year old can have. And I remember I started selling cookies. I would wake up at 5am in the morning and I would like get my cookies ready to go sell because we were able to get back to school. Having dance and the love of dance and the passion of dance, that made me want to become an actress. So I did audition for Disney and I just remember growing up on the tv, me and my sister would share a room and we would just watch the Disney Channel, specifically the Jessie show. And I feel like growing up and watching that, I felt like I wanted to do that. So when I was six years old, I did get the opportunity to go audition for Disney and I actually did get accepted. Unfortunately, me and my family were unable to pay, like, the acting classes and the coaches. So unfortunately I was not able to go ahead and pursue that dream.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Do you remember? Because I feel like at 6 years old, it's really hard to understand, like, oh, you no longer can keep up this dream of being an actress because there's no money. I'm sure, like at a young age you're like, what do you mean there's no money? I'm like, what do you mean I can't fucking be an actress because of a money situation. Do you remember how they told you, like, mija, like, we're so sorry, but it's mucho dinero. And do you remember what you were feeling in those moments when like, basically your dreams were crushed?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I remember going to the actual audition. They asked me about what was my favorite thing about McDonald's. And of course me being like, all talkative and all like, comfortable with like the camera. I was able to answer perfectly. And I remember when the results were back, they had us, like, sit in this room, and they had us wait there to see, like, if who made it and who didn't. I remember me and my cousins did go ahead and have to wait in that room because we all auditioned together. And out of all of us, I was the only one that did go ahead and make it with Disney. When they told me, I was so happy. And then I kept telling my mom, like, oh, my God, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited because this was finally the opportunity that I had. When I got in the car, my mom and my dad were arguing, of course, because of financial issues. And I already knew. I already knew what? I already knew right in that moment. I was like, oh, okay. I was kind of trying to make it seem like I wasn't upset, but I was. I remember laying my head on my cousin's lap, and while they were arguing in the front seat, I just told her, why did this happen? Happened to me. Like, why did. Why me? I just wanted to meet Selena Gomez because Selena Gomez was an actor at the time, so. Yeah.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Was she, like, your biggest inspiration to get into acting?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yeah, she was. I'm always, like, singing her songs, always watching her, so, like, being able to, like, almost be there, it was kind of like, oh, like, why does this have to happen to me? Like, why God? Like, I believe a lot in God, so, like, I feel like anything happens for a reason. And I felt like maybe this wasn't my time. I remember I prayed, and I was just like, like, if this belongs to me, like, maybe in the future, like, we'll come back.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah. I feel like it's never too late. I feel like right now, especially with, like, how you're growing your platforms, I feel like it's still doable. You know, as a little girl, you know, I had a similar experience, not really with casting, but I remember when I was in high school, I would hear my parents talk a lot about, you know, their financial issues. Yo, me cuerdo Diego Tiempo. I've talked about it so many times on the podcast where, you know, was a time where we got evicted, and I think I was a junior in high school or a sophomore. It was before I moved to Anaheim because I grew up in Santa Ana in my cuerdo, that, like, growing up hearing my parents constantly, like, talk and argue about money, it would stress me out. I remember there was even a time where I went to my counselor. I'm like, hey, can you guys give me, you know, what is it called? Like the. When you go to school. Online. Online school so I can like get a job and help my parents. Long story short, they didn't give give me like the online school, but I remember as a teen it did kinda, you know, made me feel helpless. You know, how did that make you feel whenever you would hear your parents constantly talking about like money issues or not being able to do certain things because of the money issue?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I feel like growing up as a kid and kind of hearing like the financial issues, I felt like really, really stressed. I would always like sit on like my bed and like I'll be like, what can I do? Like I wasn't doing enough. Like what was I doing? Like just sitting down. Like, you know, I've always been a really good student in school, but like I knew that that wasn't going to pay the bills. I remember that I was like searching up on like Instagram, on like Safari, Google to see like what job can I do. You know one thing about me, I've always been hardworking. Like whatever I do, if I put my mind into it, I can do it. I just remember like kind of looking at like jobs and I wasn't able to find anything because nobody was hiring a 14 year old. Thankfully my cousin Griselda did go ahead and send me a link of a youth program. And that youth program, it did like really change me, which was the youth LA program where like young people like me, 14 years old were able to work. And I thought it was a scam. I thought it was a scam because I thought like, oh, like no 14 year old can work. Right? Of course I had my own business. I would sell like pens, like I would decorate them. I remember I did like a yard sale.
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Podcast Host Alanized
So you were a hustler? Day one girl. Like I was Mentalidad. Like I'm gonna make it out. Like I'm gonna like make money. I don't know how, but I'm gonna like do something to do it.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes, exactly. So I feel like, like growing up in the environment of being like stressed with financial issues, I feel like that kind of like really did shape me because I was able to be like, okay, what can I do? Like think outside the box. Like I, I was always a good student. I've always been a straight A student. A lot of people think that I'm not like smart because of like how I portray myself on TikTok, which like the child baby energy. But I feel like being that mindset and thinking outside the box really has made me who I am today. And I did go ahead. When I received the opportunity, I thought it was a scam. I don't think it was real. And me and my sister Janita, we were the only ones that were qualified because we were over 14 years old. So we applied, and we didn't hear nothing back until two weeks later. Two weeks later, they call us, and they're like, okay, can you come this time to get interviewed and to pick up, like, your information? We went. And I remember just, like, sitting down there and kind of, like, having a choice to pick between Old Navy or Infinite Glow. I was kind of deciding Old Navy. I was thinking, like, how am I gonna get over there? Like, I don't even drive. Like, you know, so Infinite Glow was right there by the West Covina Mall in my city. So I did go ahead and end up picking Infinite Glow, but look, I was this close picking Old Navy only because I didn't know what Infinite Glow was. I did not know what that was.
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Podcast Host Alanized
So it's a makeup store.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
It's a makeup store. Yeah.
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Podcast Host Alanized
So you like how to do your digging? You're like,
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
yes, I got to see, like, Infinite Glow makeup. And like, one thing about me, I started doing makeup when I was, like, literally 7 years old. I started putting pintando mi misbehostan. Like, put a little bit eyeliner. Pintando me mi sejas. My little lip liner, my lip gloss. I've always had a passion with, like, makeup.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Since I was little. Like, I remember getting into my mom's stuff. My mom was a hoarder about makeup. One thing she loved was her makeup. Like, yes, we did have financial issues, but she was, like, a couponer.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Okay?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Like, she would go over there to cvs, and then she would go coupon while me and my sisters would be in the car. Or sometimes she would even take us and just buy us ice cream. But, yeah, she left her her shopping as well. Well, of course, saving that was, like, a little bit of her side hustle as well. Couponing. And then I remember going back, like, home and just being like, why have
- [19:12]
Angie.com Advertiser
I asked my h vac guy I found on angie.com to change my grandpa's trachea to. Because I was so amazed by how quickly he replaced our air ducts. I knew I could trust him to change Pop Pop's tube while I was on vacation.
- [19:23]
Podcast Host Alanized
Make it quick, young man.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Aw. See?
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Angie.com Advertiser
Pop Pop trusts you.
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Angie.com Narrator
I think we should call a doctor. Connecting homeowners with skilled pros for over 30 years. Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find pros for all your home projects@angie.com
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
why have I asked my electrician I found on angie.com to bury my pet hamster Nibbles in our yard for me.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Me.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Because I was so moved by how carefully he buried my electrical wires. I knew I could trust him to bury my sweet Nibbles after his untimely end.
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Angie.com Narrator 2 / Home Depot Advertiser
Huh?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Nibbles gone too soon. May he scurry in peace.
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Angie.com Narrator
Hey, sorry about your pet, but I just wire stuff.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Nibbles would have loved you like a brother.
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Angie.com Narrator
Connecting homeowners with skilled pros for over 30 years. Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find pros for all your home projects@angie.com
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
what is infinite Globe? Like, what am I gonna do there? So my first day was actually after I got to pick out where I was. They told us to like see like, okay, what dress code can we have at work? And they told us all black and professional. So I was like, I don't ever wear no black. I always wore like pinks and like white. So I never, I didn't have anything black. We went to Ross and I got to pick out some really cute clothes for my work. And I didn't even believe that I was gonna be working. At 14 years old, my 10 year old self told myself like, okay, I'm gonna drop job. But maybe when I'm like 17. Yeah, like not when I'm 14. But since I was under that stress, I felt like I needed to help out my family. Like it was like a responsibility for me. When I actually got there for my first day of work, I remember just soaking up everything like a sponge. Because one thing about me, I'm a very like unprofessional. Even a young age, I had to mature. I had to grow up really quickly because of like hearing everything around me. I remember getting trained. She asked me, how old are you? And I had told her 14. And she was like, no way. You're 14 and you're working. And I was just like, yeah. Like, I was like, yeah. Like I always looked older than my age. So like I was like, yeah. Like, I didn't think it was a big deal. At that moment I kind of like realized like, okay, I'm gonna do a sacrifice. I'm gonna sacrifice my childhood to like help out my parents and take that burden of like paying bills. So I remember I got trained. We had a like up st, right? So tell me why right away? I got it right away. I remember I upsold like a girl with make for makeup over $150. It was really a sacrifice for me. I was always into, like, dance. So I did have to sacrifice, like, missing a couple of practices for my work schedule and, like, kind of balancing homework. I was still in middle school. I was in eighth grade grade when I started working. Nobody. I didn't want to tell nobody. I was so embarrassed when they first told me that they saw me at the mall working. I got so red. I was like, no, you're like, I was shopping. I. I was like, that's not me. Like, girl, what you really saw Jocelyn at the mall working? Hold on, that's not me. Then they saw me and they told me that, and they told me right in front of everyone. I was like, no, that's not me. Like, I think it's not someone else. Me working at 14 years old, like, like, it was kind of not embarrassing, but it was like, something that a lot of people didn't have. Like, a lot of people didn't have to worry about because, I mean, they had parents that were able to go ahead and financially support them. It really did make me responsible. I remember when I was in ninth grade, all the football games started happening. My high school is not a big high school, but I remember, like, just being there and everybody talking like, oh, let's go to the. This football game. Like, for example, football game on a Friday, right? I wouldn't be able to go because I would be working. I would have to sacrifice, like, not going out with my friends to go work. That made me kind of realize, like, damn, a lot of people are fortunate enough to, like, have loving parents that, like, really support them. And like, of course my parents are always loving to me, but, like, I just wish, like, I kind of grew up with that, that money, money of other people, so then I would be able to kind of enjoy my childhood. And, like, a lot of people around me were trying to, like, make me stop working. Like, I remember people like, kind of shit talk on my parents because I would be working and paying bills. But, I mean, it was kind of my own decision.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah, mestavos contando that bullying started at a very young age. For you, when did the bullying start and what would you be getting bullied for?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I got bullied at a really young age. I would get bullied for, like, the way I looked, the way I dressed, because my parents were unable to, like, buy me the things to fit in. For example, like, the trends like fidget spinners, the little chokers. I got my first choker and I went to school with it and I was like, look at me. Like, I finally fit in with the trends. I think that was when I was in, I want to say fifth grade. Fifth grade. So I have always been bullied, like in elementary and middle school. But I remember this particular day in fifth grade. I remember getting in the car and I started crying. I remember we had to go to the grocery store and my mom went with my siblings and I just stayed in the car. I had a belief that I wasn't able to be pretty enough to like, fit in or like, you know, to like, fit in with other people. So with that being in my head, I started scratching myself. I have a lot of, like, scars without makeup because I was scratching myself. I would tell myself, like, I don't deserve to be pretty. Like, I don't deserve to be pretty. And other people are telling me, like, oh, like this, this, this. Like, I don't deserve to be pretty. So I will just scratch myself. And I remember scratching myself. And then at that moment I, like, started bleeding. I have a big scar right here. I told myself I wouldn't let anybody else make me feel this way ever again. Since that day, I felt like I did keep my promise. I always stood my ground. And like, I mean now, like, growing up, like, I don't really care anymore, like what other people said. But at that time, like, growing up, a bullying really did, like, kind of shape me and like, make like self aware. Like, oh, like, am I doing something wrong? Or like, oh, am I annoying? Like, like kind of like that type of thing. So. Yeah.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Did you ever confront any of your bullies growing up?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I did in fifth grade. I wouldn't say like, press, but like, I went up to. It was mostly. It was mostly like guys that were kind of like bullying me because I was like the fastest thing in the the class. Like, little things, right? So I was like, really active. Like, I remember I would literally run like super, super fast and they would kind of get like, mad because a girl beat them. It was a mile. But I was the first one that finished. And the second place, it was a guy. And he kind of just told me, like, oh, why are you, why are you trying to beat me so bad? Like, they're kind of like, it's kind of dumb now that I think of it, but like, like, I was little, so I was like, you're like, bro, I'm just faster.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Be faster.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
And I actually did like the guy too. You know, I was young, but Girl, I knew. I knew where the papas were.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Like, that was my papa, too. So you feel like it would kind of hurt you more because you're like, I kind of like you and you're over here making me feel bad.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes, it was like that. So I feel like since I liked him, it made me feel more like, oh, like what? Why are you saying that? Like, you said should be, like, supporting me, you know? So he told me. He told me, like, why are you faster than me? And I. I kind of went off on him. I was like, you know what? Don't be talking to me like that. I called him a viewer. I was like, you're a bitch. But, like, since I was little, him, like, hearing that, I felt like it really did. Like, what the hell? Like, she's all quiet. I mean, I was always talkative, but since I was a teacher's pet, I wouldn't, like, really, like, cuss at school or like, I wouldn't really, like, do something that would make me feel acted out. Right? But since I. I was so mad since, like, this guy that I liked was telling me this, like, I just took all my anger on him.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Do you feel like the bullying built character especially for you now? Because I feel like, you know, you get a lot of crazy comments or, like, people really coming at you and bullying you online. Do you feel like all the bullying that you endured as a child, do you feel like it kind of built you up to, like, be able to, like, fuck this. I don't care if anyone talks shit, because people been talking shit about me all my life. I don't really care.
- [27:50]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes, definitely. Like, I always get called annoying or, like, too much or, like, they be telling me to stop by you. But honestly, I feel like those hate comments, they help me grow. Any hate is good hate because, I mean, like, they're still giving me attention and, like, I feel like since my content is a lot of rage bait, and like, trust me, I am not like that in person. I'm actually really, really sweet. Me getting bullied at a young age, it really did make me build character because, like, I mean, I know a lot of people right now, like, they get. If they get hated on, they, like, start like. Like, they start, like, mental breakdown and I would get cyber bullied as well. So, like, in 2020, back in Covid, there was this other guy that he liked me because, like, I was pretty when I was little. I was pretty. Like, I feel like a bunch of guys do, like, me, like, all of babas. This guy, he Liked me and I had rejected him. And we were liking in, I want to say, sixth grade. It wasn't Covid. I had rejected him, like, online. But since we were kind of like family friends, he thought that, like, oh, I guess we'll, like, try to bully her, like, since, you know. So he posted things about me on social media, specifically, tick tock. And I was trying to become like, kind of like Charlie d'. Amelio because I really looked up to her. I looked up to Charlie d' Amelio and I actually had a fan page of her. Her. So I did start a fan page of her and I actually did get followed by Charlie d'. Amelio.
- [29:18]
Angie.com Narrator 2 / Home Depot Advertiser
Yes.
- [29:18]
Podcast Host Alanized
Yes.
- [29:19]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
And that was like my biggest. I was like, when I saw it, I was like, oh, my God. Like, oh, my God, guys, I just got followed by Charles Emilio. Nobody in my house knew who that was. They didn't realize, like, like this super famous girl just followed you. Just followed Jocelyn. Nobody, like, like, realized it. I remember screaming to my dad. I was like, try the village of Solomon. He was just like laying down there. He was like, oh, go close the door. Go close the door. And I remember, like, do you not remember? Like, do you not know who this is? And then I just remember telling my little sister, cuz, I mean, she was active on Tik Tok, right? I remember telling her and she was like, freaking out with me. We were just like, freaking out. And I was like, oh, my God. What? What kind of post should I make? What kind of post should I make? And then she tells me, oh, make. Make this post slice. Like, I actually put picture proof of her following me. Tell me why people in the comments were hating on me. Being like, it's fake. I mean, I feel like I've always been hated on. I don't know.
- [30:18]
Podcast Host Alanized
So the guy kind of was bullying you online because of that?
- [30:20]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes.
- [30:21]
Podcast Host Alanized
So let me.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yeah, so basically, since I got followed, that made me like realize, like, wait, Tick tock can really change you. Yeah, like, it could really change your life. When I got followed, I actually did hit 50k, I want to say, in less than a week.
- [30:37]
Podcast Host Alanized
Week.
- [30:37]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
And I only had like 2, 000 followers when she barely followed me. But she would follow, like, like little. Like a little bit. So, like, I was like one of the 20 that she followed. And it was by random. I feel like, like it was like a sign from God. When I got followed, that made me really realize, like, damn, I don't want to be behind the scenes. I want to be like, Cam, I want to be on the camera.
- [30:59]
Podcast Host Alanized
I want to be Charlie d', Amelio, baby. Exactly.
- [31:01]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Period. Baby. So I started like posting like dance videos with myself sisters, but I wasn't taking it seriously. It was just like, oh, like here and there, you know? And like, I thought I was all famous. Tell me why. You know those apps where like, you're able to like, look through other people's and like, like, and then they'll boost you back. So I would like download these apps and basically all you had to do was just like, like, and comment other people's posts and then they will return it back to you.
- [31:29]
Podcast Host Alanized
Okay. Okay.
- [31:29]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
For free too. I remember I hit like my first a thousand followers followers by myself. I was like, damn, hold on. I was like, hold on. But going back. So I would like post on Tick Tock. But it was here and there. And this guy, he would take screenshots of me because I guess he liked me. And he would put it on like, Instagram group chats. And he like, put a picture of me and he was like, I like you. I don't give a. About your boyfriend. Come on. That song.
- [31:57]
Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah, yeah.
- [31:58]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
To my photo. I was like, mama, hold on. I don't want you. Mama, hold on. I rejected him again in the comments, and I think he got embarrassed at that time. He started posting stuff about me just like, kind of spreading false rumors. The one that really affected me was he took a picture of me, like, on my mouth. Like I was like singing and I was like this. And he freaking put a pickle. I got so mad. I don't tell my parents. I didn't tell my parents. Really? Nothing. Like, I was getting, like, bullied and like, cyberbullied. But, like, that's where I draw the line. I was like, you're over here. Like, you could talk shit about me, I don't care. But, like, you're over here kind of like doing stuff that's kind of like really, really inappropriate.
- [32:38]
Podcast Host Alanized
Sexualizing you. Almost exactly.
- [32:40]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I was. I was literally, I want to say I was like 12. I was 12. I had told my mom and my mom immediately called the office. She called the office and it turns out that. It turns out that the principal took like the police to his house. Like, later on he did admit to it because we, like, we didn't talk. But like, he texted me, like, kind of being like, I'm sorry. But like, two years after that.
- [33:05]
Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah.
- [33:06]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
And he did tell me, like, oh, like, police did show up because of that. I mean, because it was cyber Bullying?
- [33:11]
Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah.
- [33:11]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
So, yeah, it was a really big offense. And, like, I really. I bring, like, cyberbullying as, like, a really big attention because, like, I know a lot of people do, like, unfortunately, like, die because of that.
- [33:23]
Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah.
- [33:23]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
So it's a really, really big matter. Thankfully, like, like, for me, I feel like I did kind of have those thoughts too, because, like, since I was getting bullied so much, like, I didn't feel like I was worth living, but, like, I was able to overcome that because of my sisters. Like, they would. They were, like, there for me, and, like, they're my best friends. So. Yeah.
- [33:44]
Podcast Host Alanized
What piece of advice can you give anyone watching that is currently getting bullied or is currently feeling like, you know, they can't escape, People making fun of them at school, online line. What piece of advice can you give them?
- [33:55]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
There's always light at the end of the tunnel. I remember hearing that quote, and I actually put that in my eighth grade Valorian speech because, like, I feel like elementary, middle school, it really did shape me into who I became and because I was always getting bullied. But I would just, like, tell you that it gets better. It really does. And honestly, if you're getting bullied right now, like, I would recommend reaching out to, like, someone that you really do trust. And if you do thoughts of, like, suicide, like, getting help, definitely, because it is, like, it is. You do matter. You matter in this world, and anybody can make it.
- [34:36]
Podcast Host Alanized
I think yesterday I was so intrigued to talk and know more about Mestavas Contando that middle school was a very confusing time for you. You used to dress and act like a quote, unquote, chola era. The child, Baby, what made you start dressing up and acting as one? And was it something that, like, you grew up with, like, everyone around you was dressing that way and acting that way. And at what moment did you realize, like, you know what, girl? Like, like, this isn't really who I am or how I really feel.
- [35:10]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes. Cha baby was like chola. Honestly, I don't think a lot of people know about my era of becoming like, a little, little chola in middle school, I felt like I really did have, like, an identity crisis. Because, like, I mean, I just wanted to be popular. I just wanted to fit in. Like, since I was getting bullied in elementary, you know, I was like, that summer of fifth grade, I just remember telling myself, you know what? When I get to middle school, I'm gonna become, like, the biggest and baddest, and I'm gonna be the most popular. I would hang out with, like, popular kids. But they would, of course, like, dress kind of, like, ghetto. And, like, we would have, like, some guys that would be, like, wannabes as well in our group. I remember, like, starting off with my skin. And then one day I told my mom, let's go to the Ross. And I got some baggy jeans. And she, of course, did not approve of. My mom was never like. And neither did my dad. They never approved of, like, the whole chola. My whole chola girl. But I remember I started dressing like that, and a lot of people started liking me because of how I started dressing and how I started doing my makeup. I was straightening my hair in the night. So then when I woke up the next day at 5am I would just do my makeup. It would take me two hours to do my makeup, and it wouldn't come out good.
- [36:20]
Podcast Host Alanized
Would you do, like, the eyeliner and the lip combo?
- [36:23]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes. I was like, that dark chocolate brow, some eyeliner, little. Little sajitas. I was like, if I could take it back.
- [36:33]
Podcast Host Alanized
What would your mom tell you? Like, what would your mom tell you during those times?
- [36:40]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
She would be like, She'll kind of be like that. And I would just be like, you don't know what you're talking about.
- [36:49]
Podcast Host Alanized
This is a trend, mom. However, everyone at school is being this way. Do you feel like people actually took you more seriously, like, once you started, like, dressing like that?
- [36:56]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes. I thought people did start taking me more seriously because, like, I was getting bullied. A lot of people kind of, like, saw me, like, when I came back, and they were like, wait, I didn't know Jocelyn. I like, okay, okay. I don't know if she had that in her. I just had a lot of friends. Like, when I started dressing like that,
- [37:13]
Podcast Host Alanized
the teachers or the administration start, like, stereotyping you. Because I'm sure, you know, even where I grew up, Santa Ana is known for a lot for, like, a lot of, like, their cholos and stuff like that. Growing up, whenever we would have, like, a cholito in the class or whatever, like, the teachers would almost make them feel like, oh, it's the son problem. Like, oh, my God. Like, if something goes wrong, let's blame the one that looks like the problem. Do you feel like in school they would stereotype you? And do you feel like in that era it brought you a lot of, like, drama or problems because of the way you were trying to act?
- [37:42]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes, definitely. In sixth grade, I mean, I was still a serious student. I've always been a smart baddie. Even if I was like, dressed like a chola. I always had my grades up. Like, before I did anything, even my makeup, I would do my skin.
- [37:55]
Podcast Host Alanized
She was an educated chola.
- [37:56]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I was an educated chola. I did go ahead and have a boyfriend in sixth grade. So since I did have a boyfriend, I felt like the office really, really did keep an eye on me. Like, they did tell me why they told my mom that I was having a boy, that I had a boyfriend.
- [38:18]
Podcast Host Alanized
They're like, I'm then my los. Ah, yes.
- [38:22]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
They had told her that I had a boyfriend. And I was just like, I was like, hold on, why are you telling my mama? Personal business. Cuz I wasn't really close to my mom. Like, I wouldn't tell her.
- [38:33]
Podcast Host Alanized
Like, did your mom get you in trouble?
- [38:35]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Oh, I did. That whole summer since they told her, since I was dressing like chola, they felt like since I had my boyfriend that I was being like that because of him. And since my grades were good, they were kind of confused.
- [38:53]
Podcast Host Alanized
That kind of concerned for you. Oh my God, like, we're seeing her go down the wrong path kind of thing.
- [38:58]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yeah, it was kind of like that. The whole summer of going to sixth grade, to seventh grade, I was grounded. So no phone even. We went to Mexico. I didn't even have my phone.
- [39:08]
Podcast Host Alanized
How was it like, you know, when you came back? Porque mestavas contando that, you know, in seventh grade you got into a fight that really did change your perspective on the way you were dressing and the way you were kind of portraying yourself. What led you into getting in that fight? And how do you feel like after that happened, how do you think it changed your mindset to, like, you know what? Maybe this is in the lifestyle. Maybe I want to be more than just this. Like, what was that like for you?
- [39:32]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
So going to seventh grade since I was grounded, I really didn't really care, like, what I was doing anymore. I did let my grades drop a little bit. I remember I had my first D, but I had my first D because I wouldn't do my classwork. I felt like since I was already grounded, I was like, you know what? I'm already grounded. Like, what else can I. Like, you know what else? I really don't have a phone. So I just kept like kind of being like, instead of being a teacher's pet, I turned kind of into the class clown. Like, I would make my jokes and like, of course everybody will laugh at me, you know? Yeah, I would talk my shit. Like, you know, I would be.
- [40:09]
Podcast Host Alanized
I was I was pre child baby.
- [40:12]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Ah, that's, you know, that's her child baby came from. I would talk to people. So my whole seventh grade I was just like a wannabe. Like I would just on Instagram I would message girls. I was not scary. I would be like, if you want to come find me, come see me. Like come girl. You know where I live. Mama, come over here. But I had to press a girl at school because she was talking to my ex boyfriend.
- [40:38]
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
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- [42:05]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
It was so dumb. I went up to her cause she was trying to go up to me first. So I went up to her and I remember just put. Literally I just started putting on my hair. Then I took off backpack. Tell me why the security guard? I feel like she's always had it out for me. She would always get me in trouble. For no little reasons, she grabbed me from my Backpack. And she, like, pulled me.
- [42:24]
Podcast Host Alanized
I know I'm about to fucking beat you up. Security.
- [42:30]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
And then I was like, hold on. What the hell? When we got in the office.
- [42:34]
Podcast Host Alanized
So you guys didn't like, actually get in a fight?
- [42:36]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
That was. Hold on. That one. What? I didn't get actually in the fight, but I guess I pressed the girl and then I got into the office. Fizz, tell me why I was the one. I got suspended for three days, even though she was the one that first started it. Because she kept like saying, like, oh, I'm gonna beat her up. I'll beat her up. Instead of me, like. Like me getting jumped, I decided to just go up to her because I. It's so dumb. It was literally in seventh grade. So because I did that, I got suspended for three days. And that did not change me. That did not change me. I came back to school and I was like, oh, like, are you ready to fire today or no.
- [43:14]
Podcast Host Alanized
I went home, girl, I'm ready.
- [43:16]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I mean, I was already grounded. So, like, I felt like in that era, I was just like, I don't even care. But I remember getting back home, I literally started crying. I started crying because I was like, no way I'm gonna get suspended.
- [43:27]
Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah.
- [43:27]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
And I felt like since she was dressing more normal than me show that everybody in the office thought that it was because of me. But no, it went both ways because, like, I felt like, yeah, I was aggressive, but I feel like she was more aggressive towards me. She was the one that was threatening me to, like, jump me. And, you know, I guess we dropped it. What ended up happening? I just told her, like, look, I'm not gonna fight over guy. I, like, I got some common sense. My mom had talked to me because I started crying after I got home. Of course, I had my phone taken away. So I just laid down. I was just sitting there like, what am I gonna do? Yeah, what am I gonna do in my life? I just kept hanging around, like, the bad crowd. I just always thought that I was a Shay, you know, I mean, I am. I feel like since I was hanging out with, like, older people too, like, they would be like two grades older than me. I felt like, oh, like I have protection. Like, nothing's gonna happen to me. Right? So then in summer, seventh grade, going into eighth grade, I actually did get, like, snuck, I guess. Like, I don't even.
- [44:27]
Podcast Host Alanized
By the same girl?
- [44:28]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
No, by different girl.
- [44:29]
Podcast Host Alanized
Okay. Okay.
- [44:29]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Cuz we. I. I dropped the problem with the other girl. This other girl, I just feel like she was really envious towards me because she thought that it was all about guys too.
- [44:39]
Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
And like one thing about me, I'm not male center. Like I might be like, oh, where the papa's at? But. But no, I am not. Like, I feel like I've always been a girl's girl.
- [44:48]
Podcast Host Alanized
But like the papas always came to you.
- [44:51]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Exactly. So do you feel like a lot
- [44:53]
Podcast Host Alanized
of girls or even guys hated you because you were like pretty growing up to where it was like that pretty hate.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yeah.
- [44:58]
Podcast Host Alanized
I feel like I've, I've met a lot of girls growing up that a lot of people would just bully them or hate them because they were pretty.
- [45:04]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yeah, I feel like I was like kind of like bully just because I was pretty and like people like lied to me.
- [45:10]
Podcast Host Alanized
So.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
So it was over a guy that we fought over because I guess she thought that I was like talking to him. I feel like I got set up. I for sure got set up because I remember going to the movies with my friend and then my other friend was there. But my friend, I was covering for her. I was being like the little cover up while she was at her boyfriend. I was third willing and my other friend was there. So I was like, you know what, let me just go with them because, like, I mean, I don't want to be third wheeling. Like, I'll just come back with you when I'm, when I'm. And I'm like, we're going to leave. So I went with them and it was right next to the mall where I work at, where they snuck me. She was all ready to fight and tell me why I would dress hoochie. I would dress hoochie. I would have like my little tank, my little like tank top and my little booty shorts. Well, it was a booty shorts, but it was like really tight shorts and I had my hair like down. I mean, I was cute though. Like, you know, I was playing the Papas, but she like snuck me and I had my phone in my hand and my sweater. She grabbed me from the top and like she started like it was 20 seconds of my life. The fastest 20 seconds, but the most embarrassing 20 seconds of my life.
- [46:12]
Podcast Host Alanized
People there?
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Angie.com Narrator
Yes.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Oh, there was so many people there.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Like, I just got my ass beat in front of an audience, girl.
- [46:21]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I honestly didn't even know what was happening.
- [46:25]
Podcast Host Alanized
You didn't even know what hit you?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Like, I didn't even know the girl like that. Honestly, I didn't. So like when I got stuck, I was kind of like in shock. I Had my phone in this hand, and I remember just hitting her like that. And that's when she, like, kind of stopped. But I remember, like, I kept telling her, like, you're a buster. You're a buster. You're a buster. Which means, like, if you see someone,
- [46:44]
Podcast Host Alanized
you're a buster, you're a buster.
- [46:46]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
And I still get made fun of it to this day. You know what? That's gonna be my new catchphrase. You know what?
- [46:54]
Podcast Host Alanized
I'm, like, trademarking right now.
- [46:58]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
But I. I remember getting made fun of after the fight because I would, like. I literally, all I said throughout the fight was, you're a buster. You're a buster. Because how are you gonna sneak. Right after that fight? I remember getting back home. I remember I was, like, washing my. My hair. A whole bunch of my hair came out. Yeah. I was like, hold on, mama. I remember just crying. Like, I'm. I don't like crying like. Like, to other people. So I always be at, like, at home, and I'm just crying. And then I got to my bed, and I sat there and I was thinking. I was like, like, why did that even happen to me? Like, you know, I feel like it wasn't really a. Like, a big sign from God because he knew that he didn't want me to be in this path. But I feel like I had to experience that in order to become someone better. Going into eighth grade, I kind of stopped dressing like that, and I started wearing more, like, thinner lashes as well. I mean, I've always wore my makeup right, because I feel like I was really, really insecure, like, without my makeup. And I felt like people weren't gonna like me if I had no makeup on. I feel like a lot of girls can relate to that because, I mean, I don't go a day without my makeup. So, yeah, I kind of stop becoming, like, that wannabe girl.
- [48:06]
Podcast Host Alanized
How did you go from being a wannabe chola to being the school's valedictorian? How did you find out about the news? Like, hey, you know what? Like, you're this year's valedictorian, and what from your valedictorian speech sticks out to you to this day.
- [48:21]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
So I was actually the valedictorian of my eighth grade. Yes, you heard that right, child. Baby, was it out of anyone going, growing up, I've always, always, always, always been smart. People really think that I'm, like, dumb or, like, they think that, like, since I am annoying or like, I'm rage beating, people think I have no brain. I Felt like people kind of were in shock when they found out, but I was more in shock when I found out. My whole middle school years I was like this wannabe girl, right? But my speech was about kind of like how I was wannabe and how like at the end of eighth grade that made me realize like I don't wan. Like I want to be better, like I want to be more successful than someone that is hood. I remember when they told me I had to compete, right? I had work. I had a clock in at 4:30 and I had to compete. And I was like, literally I want to tell you kid you not. I was the last almost on the list. I was the last one to perform. I had to go up to Mr. Mr. Richard, that was his name. And I was like oh. Like is there any way like I can go first only because I do have work. And he was like, huh? He was like huh, you work? And I was like yeah, I've been working at the Infinite Glow here at the mall. And I remember he was so shocked. He was like, what the hell?
- [49:42]
Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah, cuz an 8th grader working is a little like shocked.
- [49:44]
Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
And he was like yeah, no worries. So then I performed my speech and I didn't talk about work because I was still kind of embarrassed of like me working. My speech was about just like my reflection of my middle school years. I went from my sixth grade, my seventh grade and my eighth grade year and then I, I got picked and he told me like I want to see the day after. But I guess already people already knew. Yeah, that I got picked because it was a contest. And they were kind of like envy dioso. Like I remember getting to school and they just kept. I remember people were looking at me and I was like what the hell? Like you know, like I got to school, like not already, like all these problems. And then he pulled me out like on my first period and he told me like, oh, like I just want to let you know, congratulations, you are going to be performing in the Val Victoria's speech. And I was like oh my God. At the moment I was like oh my God. I was, I was so in shock. I was even. I was like no way, that's a big accomplishment.
- [50:37]
Podcast Host Alanized
And you know what's crazy? Like you say that people maybe think you're dumb or a lot of people kind of picture you out to like not be smart, that you're currently enrolled into like a dual class where you're going to like you're finishing your GED but still doing college courses. So what has that been like and what has it been like? Like juggling, you know, work, school and also now being an influencer.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Definitely it is really, really hard, like managing everything. Of course not everyone can do everything that I do, but I feel since I do have like that drive and like I'm really, really hard working. So I feel like since my traits like all combined together I'm able to go in and do that being do it enrolled and finishing my GED for high school, it's really hard. I have to like really like put down time and like create a schedule. Like you have to lock in. I have to lock in in order for me to finish my work on time before I have to go to work. Like at a certain time I have work, I'm like, okay, I'm a lock in for this much time and then I'm gonna go to work or like for my influencer parties. Like I've recently been getting invited to Seoul wedding which I'm so grateful for. Let's say I have work until 8pm, then I'll go straight after work. So it's kind of balance. So I do my school, schoolwork that I go into my job and I do work mostly every day since I do marketing for them and then I go into like my influencer parties or like my events.
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Podcast Host Alanized
And I love that you're still not letting go of your school because I feel like especially se mira muncho, especially when someone starts growing online, you know, they're like, oh you know what, like school, I'm gonna be famous, like I don't need school. But the fact that you really are juggling, you know, full time student, not just high school but also college courses and you know, you're doing the influencing stuff which I've seen you've been everywhere lately. Earlier I'm sure you're gonna go study. But it is a lot of things that go into it and I know that you're gonna like continue thriving because you do look like someone that like when you really get to a point where you're determined to do something,
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Angie.com Narrator 2 / Home Depot Advertiser
What
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Podcast Host Alanized
made you be like, you know what? Nos cuentes that you used to have like the fan page. But what made you be like, you know what? If all these influencers can do it, so can I. What's the origin of chao baby?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
So I started taking social media very, very seriously in June. Me growing up, I felt like I've always been destined to be better and like me locking in on social media, I remember, I mean I would always blow Up. Like I would always blow up. Like I remember I had an account where I was just do like a dance and it was called the Nasty Dance, right? I had 10k followers. Then I got banned. So I had my first 10k and then I got banned after that I started doing like makeup, like makeup tutorials. And I would rage bait with Blush, right? So I would rage B with Blush. And a lot of people like really hated it. But a lot of people did like it. Like people watch me and I hit 50k and I got banned again. I just a little break. But I knew, I always knew, like, okay, like I do want to do some type of influencing, like even if it's like not acting. Cuz I was not able to do that when I was younger. But even if it was just on Tik Tok, like you know. So I took a little break. I opened up Ciao Baby Girl on Tik Tok in June. But I was like able to go ahead and do Tik Tok cuz like, you know, I was of age this time. I did not get mad. Everybody else was doing it and it was kind of the trend to do do it. I did go ahead and just honestly just keep doing it. And I feel like I do do a lot more than what like other influencers do because like I still have my personal life. Like I haven't let go of school, I haven't let go of my job either. Like even though I do get paid on Tick Tock and like social media platforms, I saw my job because like you never know, you know, how did
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Podcast Host Alanized
you come up with Child Baby, where the papas are? What's the origin story? Because like I've heard you mention it, but I don't think like you've really have dived into like how it came to be.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
So the ultimate story everybody has been always asking me for. How did Ciao Baby were the papas that become a catchphrase? It's a really long story. So when I was six years old, my mom took me and my sisters to go see Jenny Rivera. I remember the exact date, March 12th. Before she died. I remember she died like I want to December. In December.
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Podcast Host Alanized
So it was that year that she passed away that you went to go see her?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Okay, it was, it was that year that she passed away. I didn't even believe it. But when I was there in the concert, I've always been like a Geni Vera like fan. I remember bringing the stands and just hearing her be like ciao. Right? I kind of took Ciao baby for my mom, because she'll be the one kind of saying like, ciao, baby. But she would kind of say it differently. Like, she's like, ciao, baby. Ciao, baby. Yeah, you know, and I remember her, like, telling her friends that, but I remember hearing that at Jenny Rivera concert. I was like, wait, hold on. Let's go. Wait, hold on. I've always said a child baby baby, but it didn't become ciao, baby, where the papa's at? Until June. Because I was at Pico since growing up with my mom saying ciao, baby. I feel like. I mean, it was like a word that. Like an inside joke, basically where the papasa was really trending on Tick tock during the time. I was like, wait, what should I say? I was like, what can stand me out? Like what? Like, what word can stand me out? Right? So I was really thinking about it and, like, since I'm a really, like, fast thinker, I remember being at Pico, I got the opportunity to dance with, like, this guy, and he had 500k followers and he was filming. So, you know, I was like, you know, wait, hold on. Let me. Let me do my big one right now. You know what? Hold on. I was like a really fast thinker, and I was like, you know what? I was like, wait, I have a good idea. Let me just, like, come up to you and be like, ciao, baby. Where the papa is that? So I went up to him and everybody in the comments started going crazy. Like, everybody was like, child baby. Ciao, baby. Ciao, baby. Yeah, And I wasn't child baby baby girl at the time. I was actually Exo Joss. But then I had turned myself into Child baby girl because that was the thing I was getting known for. So I feel like Jenny Rivera, my mom, really did go ahead and help me. And I'm actually trademarking Child Baby. I'm in the process of it, so it's already registered. Yeah, we have to finalize, like, the logo and. Yeah. So child baby, where the papa's at is a trademark. And. Yeah.
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Podcast Host Alanized
How do you feel that, like, this catchphrase that literally started and came to up out of nowhere in that one video is now literally like what you're most known for. I feel like that's very cool. Like, when you are able to find. I used to. Okay, so when I started, a lot of people knew me with my Pinchas song. I used to have a. I remember, like, when I started getting recognized because of my little song, I used to be like, damn, that's crazy. Like, I just said it as a joke one time, and I didn't expect it. It was be like, my whole thing. How did it feel for you to be like, damn, people really do with child baby? Or just my little catchphrase that I really. If I wanted to, I can make this my whole thing.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Like, me recognizing that a lot of people did go ahead and recognize me as child baby. I feel like I was getting recognized a lot at Pico. And, like, I still do. Like, I would. I always. I just go and, like, right. Right there, like. Like, oh, my God, Ciao, baby. But I remember my first time getting recognized was like, it was a group of girls that came up to me, and they were like, ciao, baby. Let me take a photo with the child baby. Let's see a photo with you. And, you know, I was like, the new person, like, kind of upcoming, right? So I was like, wait, hold on. I was like, am I going viral? Hold on. Like, it's gonna be like a. Like a moment for me. And I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe I was, like, blowing up. Blowing up because of a word. But at that moment, I was like, wait, hold on. I could keep going with this. I'm gonna keep going with it. And I remember this video coming up on my feed, and Camilo Agario was like, if you do something that works, just keep doing it. Yeah, just keep doing it. That stuck with me. That literally stuck with me. And I just kept saying child baby. And I still do because it is. It is like my catchphrase. It is what will know me for eventually. I feel like, yeah, my content is going to change, but I feel like child baby is. I will always be chao baby.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Like, it's always going to be like, oh, that's how I started. And that's one thing that I wanted to talk about because I feel like, especially in the influencer industry, you know, you want to do something that. That works below you go momento, where you're like, you know what? I have to evolve because I want to be more than just a child baby girl, especially with this podcast, too. I feel like a lot of people might have seen you just with a child baby, or they might see you with the rage bait videos, but they haven't had, like, the opportunity to really get to know Jocelyn on a deeper level. How do you feel? Or what are your thoughts about evolving from just a child baby girl to, like, wow, like, people really with me, not just for. For my one saying, but because they really Love and have gotten to know me.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Cha baby will always be a part of me. And as a human, we always need to evolve into a bigger step. Of course, Chubby will always, always, always, always be a part of me. But I am gonna pursue, like, acting definitely now that I'm able to go ahead and do it. Now that I have the money and I kind of have, like, the audience for it, I feel like acting is always in my dream, and I feel like now I'm able to do that.
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Podcast Host Alanized
I feel like a lot of people don't understand the. The whole concept of, like, rage baiting. Sis tendos aven amigas. It's basically doing something. How would you describe rage bait? Because I feel like I would describe it like someone, like, being extra over the top or like, to create a reaction, whether it's, like, negative or positive, but it isn't really, like, let's say me, like, oh, if I'm gonna. I don't know. Well, how would you describe rage baiting?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Rage baiting changed my life. I feel like a lot of people do it, but a lot of people hate it.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
So rage beating is basically when you do go ahead and do something, like, over and over and over, but you make people mad because of it. Or if you do something too much, like, if you're too much. I feel like Xiao baby. It could be seen as rage B. But a lot of people do support it as well.
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Podcast Host Alanized
They love it.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
They love it.
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Podcast Host Alanized
You have a lot of haters, but you also have a lot of supporters.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I do, yes. And I feel like since it's a mix of both, I feel like my videos still do good because, like, even though I'm getting really hated on, I have a lot of support. And, like, for me personally, what I've noticed is whenever I'm out with, like, my collabs, I tend to get noticed more because I feel like I'm more viral. A lot of people, like, already seen, like, the child baby. I remember when I was barely blowing up, my. My song was the one that was blowing up. And I feel like that really, really did help me. I don't even know who made the song, but. But, like, that they helped me, you
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Podcast Host Alanized
know, shout out to the person that made it. How has it been on social media? I feel like sometimes because you do a lot of rage bait content that isn't really. I mean, Chao baby is a part of you, but like you said, you're not constantly, like, you know, yelling out in public. You're able to do so good with Your character, where you're able to, like, you know, make people mad, make people happy, but it also comes in at a cost. With all the hate, do you feel like it's ever gotten to you? Especially, like, the, oh, she's so annoying. Like, someone shut her up. Like, has that ever affected you? Or does that feel you to be like, you know what? If they find me annoying, I'm gonna be even more annoying so it can piss them off.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
For me, I feel like it does fuel me up. It's like the fire. It's like, you know, So I honestly, I do read my comments and, like, here and there. Like, I'll respond back to, like, you know, but since I, like, always, like, got bullied, like, I don't really pay attention to it because I feel like you really need to disconnect if you want to become an influencer. You really need to disconnect from, like, the real world. Because, like, people online, they'll be mean to you, but they won't do nothing to you in person. I only show my, like, goofy side or, like, my loud side whenever I'm comfortable with the person. But, like, let's say, like, at my college, right? I go to college and people, like, recognize me and they're like, wait, why are you so quiet?
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Podcast Host Alanized
You're like, well, girl, I'm not gonna be like, ciao, baby, while my professor's giving class. I know.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
They're like, so it's kind of like being that character has really, like, shaped me as well because, like, I'm able to see, like, both sides. Like, I have a lot of love, but I don't have a lot of hate.
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Podcast Host Alanized
What piece of advice can you give anyone currently watching that maybe is scared to start their social media because the shit talking, oh, my God, this person is at my school or these people are going to judge me. What piece of advice can you give those people that want to pursue social media but are scared because of everything that comes with it?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
A piece of advice that I would give you guys is to definitely not care what other people have to say, because at the end of the day, if you want to do something, you can do it. Like, whatever you put your mind into it. Just keep going, keep doing it. And once you find something that really, really works, just keep going with it. And yeah, and I feel like people
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Podcast Host Alanized
are always gonna hate. I mean, as we've talked about this so many times, if you don't have haters in your life, and that's not necessarily just online, but, like, you're Pretty most can be your biggest hater. Your siblings, your friends. Like, people that don't want to see you succeed can be, like, your biggest haters. And it's like, just do you and keep thriving and keep, you know, working towards your goals and your dreams. Because Chow baby is the perfect example of making everything she's always envisioned happen. I've been really enjoying poquito mas de chisme resiente. I've been seen online. You know, you were in a public relationship that ended up in a really messy public breakup. You know, we've seen your ex go online, talk about you, and kind of just say things that maybe, you know, you wouldn't want out there. So what led to the breakup? How did you feel afterwards? And how have you felt lately when you've seen him online talking about you and your guys's relationship?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
So I've actually been knowing him since I was in seventh grade, so it's been a long time of me knowing him. And we started off as friends, right? The relationship was kind of, like, toxic because, like, we would be often on. And when we officially, like, made it official, I feel like he kind of felt entitled of, like, being on social media with me, but I didn't really want to put him out there because, like, it was my personal life, you
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Podcast Host Alanized
know, like, would he tell you, like, girl, when are you posting me? Type thing?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yeah, it was kind of like that. Like, like, oh, I'm your boyfriend. Like, he was kind of controlling since my whole catchphrase, like, where the papa's at? You know, he didn't like it when I wouldn't, like, be, like, where the papa's at? Even though, like, I knew deep down, like, I was wouldn't do nothing bad. And he didn't like it when I would go dance with guys or, like, when I would go collab with guys. So I felt like it was really affecting me since I had somebody, like, telling me what to do, you know, not even my own parents or, like, tell me what to do. And I felt like it was really, like, it's a controlling relationship. And when I finally posted him, I feel like people did like it. And also my haters, I feel like they did like it because they were like, oh, my God. In the comment section, they were like, oh, my God, she's gonna finally stop saying where the papa's at.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Like, he's her lord and savior. She's going to finally shut up. That's crazy that they would say that.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes. So they were kind of, like, hating on me, but they were kind of supportive in a way. You know, it only took a month before, like, social media started, like, kind of, like starting to say stuff. And I feel like the biggest part, it was like, literally the week of me hitting 300k. I didn't even do anything for it from. I. I always do something, like whenever I hit, like, a milestone, like, I mean, 300k followers is, like, really, really good, you know, for, like, me being on social media for, like, what, like, six months? Six months. Like, you know, I remember I hit 300K and he didn't even tell me congratulations or nothing. And it was, like, really hard for me because I was, like, dealing with my. With my, like, my boyfriend at the time, so I was unable to, like, really focus on my goals. Right, right. I just felt like he was kind of holding me back because I wanted to go stream with a streamer. And of course he was like, a guy, and he would be like, no, like, you're not going. You're not going. And I really felt like he was holding me back. And I feel like kind of social media kind of saw that. They saw on the stream, like, kind of how he would treat me. And they were like, oh, no, you deserve better. Me, like, kind of like, seeing those comments, I feel like that did get to me. People would be like, like, all right, is he cheating? Because he would kind of, like, not let me look through his phone on the streams, right. And I was streaming with Avrad and Leanne, and he wasn't letting me look at through his phone. How I found out is he left his phone and I had known his password because he, like, said it out loud without him knowing. Like, you know, without him knowing. So he didn't. He didn't think I had his password, but I had it, you know, like, write it down saying, you know, like, so I, like, looked through the phone and I did see him, like, cheating on me.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Like, he was texting other girls.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yeah.
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Podcast Host Alanized
How did that feel in that moment? You know, in being on stream and people kind of commenting like, he's cheating, he's cheating. I'm sure that was already kind of like making you doubt stuff, but the actual act and the actual moment where you're like, oh, shit, like, he is cheating. How did that feel for you?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I was in shock. Like, honestly, I was in shock. Like, at that moment, like, I was on stress extreme. And the way I reacted, I feel like it was really calm. But, like, in my head, I was like, like, damn, like, I let this person, like, into my life. Into my social media life as well. I feel like I helped him a lot and instead of like him being grateful for it, I kind of felt like used. Like I felt like he was kind of cloud chasing off of me. Like I felt like the whole relationship was like a lie.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Did you confront him on life?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yeah, cuz I had saw the message and he was like messaging girls. Honestly when I saw it, I kind of like confronted him about it cuz I thought was like, kind of like what are you even doing? Like, you know, like why are you texting her? I know people can relate to me because like it's kind of like a thing that this generation has. Like we're even micro cheating. It's exists in these relationships. But for me, me, I'm. I'm really big on loyalty and when I found out I did kind of crash out. But then I like I. I kind of took it back and I was like, you know what, Let me just get off stream. So I just grabbed my mic and I was just like, I was just like, oh, let's get off, let's get off. I told my camera, let's get off, let's get off. And I like started crying. Like I really did break down afterwards because I was like, I can't believe like he would do that to me.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Yeah. Especially after like sharing him. Because I feel like, I'm sure it probably made you feel like public humiliation, you know, like, oh, if you would have cheated on me and I would have never showed you off, like at least I'm gonna feel humiliated. But in private, like you're gonna be like, damn, like that sucks. He cheated on me. But like the fact that so many people saw it happen live, like I'm sure also made you feel some type of way. Quintano. So poquito, what the healing process was like, what did it feel when you started seeing him go live, talk, talking about you? What was he saying and what was it like for you to try to heal and just try to like, you know, kind of go through a very traumatic moment, like getting cheated on while not just in person, but also having to live it online.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I feel like since I did go in and share him online, I did feel like humiliation. But I know a lot of people did go ahead and support me throughout like the process of healing. I feel like I am, I'm better now, but like at first I was just kind of doubting myself. I kind of thinking even of quitting social media because like he went online and he started like kind of spreading False rumors about me. He didn't say something that was kind of like, damn, like I never thought that, that those words were come out of your mouth, right? And like him kind of like should talking about me online. It made me like see like the kind of person he actually was. So I feel like it really did help me heal because like I had my supporters and they were in the comment section and like I got to see that, which I feel like a lot of my haters also started like being like kind of feeling bad towards me, which I never like wanted anybody to feel that way, but like they started feeling bad towards me because they were, they were like, oh, I used to hate her but like, like I
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Podcast Host Alanized
feel bad for her.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yeah, yeah.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Do you feel like it helped you? Kinda, you know, because I feel like a lot of the time especially, especially in relationships where like you're not getting live streamed where people don't really know your relationship, it's kind of hard because it's like if they treat you like sometimes we get blinded and you're like, oh no, that's normal, that's normal. But then I'm sure when you were seeing these live streams or when you saw that live stream of him cheating on you, you're like, no, I'm not making it up. Like it's right there, there's proof. Do you feel like seeing it play out online, do you feel like that also helped you like cope and kind of like heal from that?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Yes, definitely. It did help me heal. I feel like he was trying to manipulate me, like, you know, to stay with him and like I didn't really give into it because like I knew like deep down I already knew, like, no, I can't and like that it being public did go ahead and help me even more because I was able to like replay those clips of like him kind of like saying stuff about me and, and I mean, I don't, I haven't went on live like kind of like talking about him. So like it really like makes a difference, you know, like for you, you
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Podcast Host Alanized
were just ready to get over it. Like, okay, I'm not gonna bring it up because you know what's so crazy? I was telling Child Baby that when I did see clips from that, I honestly thought it was like rage bait. Like I'm like, oh, you know, it's like for the clip. But then I'm like, oh shit. Like it's crazy because I'm sure, sure, maybe some people thought it was like fake. I'm sure there was also a lot of people that thought it was real. What do you feel like your process from healing from this breakup was like, do you feel like you did anything specifically that helped you heal that wound?
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Something that I did that really did go and help me heal that wound was kind of remind myself, like, who I was, you know, I feel like me being with him, he kind of had an ego. So I felt. I feel like him saying that he was kind of better than me, it made me, like, feel a little more little. Like, made me feel little. I mean, thinking about, like, oh, I'm child baby, you know, I'm cha baby. Like, I could do it without him. And any other girl can too. If you have a guy who's controlling and toxic and is kind of holding you back, I would say just leave him. Just leave him. There's so many more out there. Out there.
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Podcast Host Alanized
And I feel, especially with messy breakups, I feel like if you get to the point where your partner, your ex, is talking so much shit about you online, that really just goes to show the character they were. And it really just is almost like a reminder, like, this is the type of person you don't want in your life forever. Because if they were so quick to talk shit on making you feel and look bad online, like, then what do you expect if you continue the relationship? You guys, you know, so if you guys are going to. Going through any messy breakups or if you guys are currently going through a heartbreak, just know it gets better. Time really does heal. And, you know, you guys just gotta focus, lock in. And really, I feel like one of the things that I've always told people, it's like, really keep busy. Don't just stay sad and just not do shit like, no, that's what the person that is breaking your heart wants you to do. They want you to feel like you can't live and function without them. But the best thing to do is really continue thriving, Continue working towards your goals and dreams. That's what's gonna make them feel like, damn, I really up on a good one. I really shouldn't have done that because. Wow. But if anything, I feel like it kind of, instead of breaking you, it made you stronger.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
I honestly feel like it did because I'm. I shot the opportunity to go ahead and go to Colorado and Boston this month. So I feel like it did make me stronger.
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Podcast Host Alanized
I love it. Yeah. But. That I love ending with and Donda Tamiras 2 and Los Proximos cinco dias. Whether that's career wise, family wise. Where does chow Baby see herself.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Ciao. Baby sees herself in five years getting her very own house. I actually did go ahead and get my own car recently in September, and I painted full English cash. So it's crazy to think that, like, this little girl that literally came from nothing is basically accomplishing everything that she dreamed of. And I want to say, like, next five years, I definitely see myself acting specifically on Netflix, so hopefully we'll see, but stay tuned. And I do see myself dancing again.
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Podcast Host Alanized
I love that. And all those goals, I know you're gonna accomplish them because you guys know Masal, Puerto Santarmi, Coneya, and really talking about, you know, her upbringing and who she really is as a person and kind of separate. I feel like this interview really got a lot of people to really know Jocelyn, apart from Chao Baby, you know, because I'm sure you guys have seen her tick tocks. I'm sure you guys have heard of her catchphrase. But I feel like this is the first time I feel like people really, really can sit down, watch a video and get to know you a little bit better. Which I really do appreciate you taking the time to really talk to us today. If you guys have not followed her yet, make sure you guys go ahead and follow her right now. I will leave all her links down below as well as on the screen so you guys won't miss any future episodes. And with that being said, thank you so much for being here.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Thank you so much.
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Podcast Host Alanized
Thank you guys so much for watching and welcome. See you guys in the next one. Bye, guys.
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
Ciao, baby.
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Podcast Host Alanized
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Jocelyn Pena aka Ciao Baby
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