Podcast Summary: "Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce"

Episode 38: Kylie & Ashley Graham on Runway Mishaps, Plus-Size Labels & Opening Up About Pregnancy Loss
Release Date: October 2, 2025
Host: Kylie Kelce
Guest: Ashley Graham

Overview

In this heartfelt and insightful episode, host Kylie Kelce brings listeners into her world as she candidly discusses parenting, Philadelphia sports, and her personal experiences with miscarriage, before welcoming supermodel and body confidence advocate Ashley Graham. Together, Kylie and Ashley open up about body labels, runway mishaps, motherhood, and the ongoing fight for inclusivity in fashion. The episode is rich with humor, vulnerability, and genuine conversation, making it a must-listen for fans of pop culture, parenting, and women’s empowerment.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kylie’s Personal Updates and Philly Pride

• Birthday Reflections & Parenting Moments (00:00–05:00)
  • Kylie celebrates her daughter's 6th birthday and shares her child's specific birthday demands: “Wyatt picked out a cake with Ariel on top... She looked at me and said, 'I didn't say mermaid, mom. I said Ariel.'” (03:28)
• Red October & Phillies Fandom (03:50–05:30)
  • Explains the unique energy and camaraderie of Phillies playoff games, "That stadium, Citizens Bank Park, ends up being good vibes only." (04:12)
  • Shares her emotional encounter with Phillies legend Charlie Manuel: "If I met Charlie Manuel, I would cry...I teared up. It was embarrassing." (04:58)

2. Parenting Styles & Social Media Humor

• "Type C Mom" Discussion (05:30–07:40)

  • Kylie identifies as a 'Type C mom,' balancing meticulousness in some areas and chaos in others.
  • "At any given point, if you look at my car, it is the epitome of a type C mom..." (06:10)

• Philly ASMR TikTok Laughter (07:41–09:00)

  • Reacts to Philly accent humor and local stereotypes: "The slight scraping noise you can hear...that is water ice." (07:57)

3. Tiny Human Question of the Week

• Teaching Kids About Life and Loss (10:00–12:00)

  • Describes a tender moment of finding an injured butterfly and hosting a 'service' for it.
  • Daughter's “Pledge of Allegiance to the Butterfly” (11:04) brings both levity and depth:
    • Ellie: “I pledge allegiance to the butterfly. Where does he live?” (11:04)

• Navigating Child Curiosity

  • Researches butterfly habitats with the help of Perplexity: “Forests, meadows, prairies, woodlands...Coastal areas including sand dunes. I did not know that.” (11:38)

4. Candid Conversation: Pregnancy Loss

[CONTENT WARNING | 12:20–28:40]

• Personal Story of Miscarriage
  • Kylie recounts the emotional experience of her first miscarriage, the challenges of sharing the loss, and the ongoing impact on subsequent pregnancies.
  • “It never leaves you…whether you have a loss at 6 weeks or 13 weeks…that loss is real.” (17:05)
  • Emphasizes the value of open dialogue around women’s health and pregnancy loss:
    • “Comparing miscarriages…is apples and oranges. It is scarring and stays with you in a way that is yours only.” (17:44)
    • “Women’s health should be taken seriously and prioritized so that every woman going through something like this can get the care that she needs.” (27:35)

5. Main Guest: Ashley Graham

Interview Starts: [29:30]

A. Runway Mishaps, Modeling & Motherhood

• First Meeting & Runway Show Awkwardness (29:30–32:10)
  • Kylie and Ashley recall being in the same room at an Alberta Ferretti show; Kylie jokes about not knowing enough Italian:
    • "I was in the midst of trying to figure out how the...to say nice to meet you in Italian." (30:22)
• Real Talk on Fashion & Confidence (31:56–34:02)
  • Kylie claims to be “the least fashionable person you will ever meet,” mostly wearing athleisure.
  • Humorous exchange on postpartum bodies and breast changes:
    • Kylie: “I was part of the Itty Bitty Titty Committee. Some would say I was the president.” (32:24)
    • Ashley: “What happens when you're done breastfeeding? You just get pregnant and then you're, like, on to the next thing.” (33:22)

B. Parenting: The Gender Question

• Dealing with Gender Questions as Moms of Multiple Kids (34:10–36:00)
  • Ashley, mom of three boys, and Kylie, mom of four girls, commiserate over expectations from strangers. "It's a tough question... people ask you as if it's not something that...you and your husband have probably discussed." (34:50)

C. Body Confidence, Labels & Advocacy

• Ashley on the Weight (and Responsibility) of Representation (36:05–38:23)
  • “It’s still so sad that there’s, A, not a lot of plus size models...we’re constantly judged on our exterior.” (38:42)
  • Despite progress, "so much work [is] done, and then so much of it still kind of like not sticking." (36:45)
• Notable Quote:
  • "I hate that I constantly have to discuss my body because I don't know any man that has to do that. But what motivates me to continue is that I didn't have someone talking about their body when I was young." – Ashley Graham (38:23)
• Labels and the Challenge of 'Plus-Size' (42:01–44:00)
  • “Labels are...a dangerous place to be. My skinny girlfriends don't do it. My guy friends and business partners don't do it. Why do we need to start doing it...” – Ashley Graham (42:07)

D. Raising Daughters & Breaking Body Stereotypes

• Changing How We Speak to Children
  • Kylie: “I've changed the way that I speak about myself and my body in front of my own kids.” (39:46)
  • Ashley praises her mom for never speaking negatively about herself, emphasizing, “That's going to change everything for their future.” (40:47)

E. Life as a Supermodel: Runway Mishaps and Mindset

• Runway Disaster Stories (46:10–49:00)
  • Ashley recounts falling on the runway two days prior:
    • “It was a full splat...thank God it wasn’t in the main Runway...the girls said, 'You sold out the dress. That’s it, it sold out.'” (47:22, 48:44)
  • Her self-talk before stepping on stage:
    • “In my head, it’s like: look hot, don’t fall, look hot, don’t fall.” (49:10)

F. Pop Culture, Fashion Industry, and New Ventures

• America’s Next Top Model Memories (49:30–52:15)
  • Kylie admits her modeling knowledge largely comes from ANTM.
  • Ashley was once a judge on the show.
• On Makeover Culture in Modeling (52:15–52:59)
  • Ashley's take: “If they would [ask me to chop my hair] I’d be like, how much money are you paying me? Because I’m not doing this for free. Hell, no.” (52:24)
• Ashley’s Clothing Line Launch at JCPenney (53:10–55:49)
  • Collaborated deeply on design for “a cultural shift when it comes to plus sizes and the fashion at JCPenney as a whole.” (54:00)
  • Sizes run 14–32; 0X–5X, focusing on fashion-forward, affordable, and accessible styles.

G. Victoria’s Secret Transformation & Representation

• Ashley Makes History on VS Runway (55:49–57:37)
  • Initially skeptical, but agreed after VS committed to expanding size ranges:
    • “They said, 'We are making larger sizes...We hear you.' That really was a promising thing for me.” (56:13)

H. Motherhood: Wisdom & Support

• Best Motherhood Advice (58:17–58:46)
  • Ashley: “Mommy knows best. Your gut intuition is always right. Don’t listen to your mom or mother-in-law or your neighbor. It’s your child, it’s your gut. You know what’s best.” (58:17)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Kylie, on parenting realities:
  • “You need to wear crocs. I don’t have socks. Or I don’t know where the clean socks are.” (06:00)
• On grief and miscarriage:
  • “It still hurts after having four children, because it does...it doesn’t not hurt.” – Kylie (16:48)
• Ashley, on her role in the body positivity movement:
  • “I look at anybody who has ever given me their story or a hug or a DM as like a part of my family in a sense of like, we're in this together.” (37:50)
• Ashley, on labels:
  • “If you're gonna let people tell you who you are, then that's who you will be. But you have to tell people who you are.” (42:27)
• On self-worth and beauty:
  • “I've seen firsthand some of the most beautiful women in the world who are some of the most insecure as well.” – Ashley (44:46)
• Ashley, life advice:
  • "Your gut intuition is always right...It’s your child, it’s your gut. You know what’s best." (58:17)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Philly Playoff & Parenting Reflections: 00:00–05:30
• Type C Mom & TikTok Laughs: 05:30–09:00
• Tiny Human Question (Butterfly Service): 10:00–12:00
• Pregnancy Loss & Women's Health: 12:15–28:40
• Ashley Graham Interview Begins: 29:30
• Runway Mishaps: 46:10–49:00
• Ashley’s JCPenney Clothing Line: 53:10–55:49
• Victoria’s Secret Runway Experience: 55:49–57:37
• Motherhood Advice: 58:17–58:46

Tone & Style

The episode maintains Kylie’s signature candid, self-deprecating humor (“I am the least fashionable person you will ever meet in your entire life”), blended with emotional honesty, especially in discussions about personal loss and parenting reality. Ashley matches her candor, providing both laugh-out-loud moments and hard-earned wisdom on confidence, industry challenges, and motherhood.

Final Thoughts

This episode is a powerful blend of fun, real talk, and uplifting advice. It navigates from the energy of Philly sports to the gravity of pregnancy loss, then into the world of high fashion, body acceptance, and modern motherhood—without ever losing its warmth, wit, or honesty.

Recommended for:
Listeners interested in women’s health, parenting, body positivity, and fashion; fans of Ashley Graham or the Kelce family; anyone seeking an unfiltered, relatable take on the challenges and joys of womanhood today.