Kylie & Elizabeth Banks on Passing ‘Hunger Games’ Torch, Giving Teens “The Talk” & Childhood Celeb Crushes | Ep 63

Summary

Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce: Kylie & Elizabeth Banks on Passing ‘Hunger Games’ Torch, Giving Teens “The Talk” & Childhood Celeb Crushes | Ep 63

Date: April 16, 2026
Host: Kylie Kelce
Guest: Elizabeth Banks

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Kylie Kelce celebrates her 8th wedding anniversary while reflecting on her evolving public persona, motherhood, and women in sports. She’s joined by acclaimed actress, director, and NWSL co-owner Elizabeth Banks for an open, vibrant discussion. Topics range from Philly sports fandom and women's soccer, to personal anecdotes about parenting, the importance of honest conversations with teens, and Elizabeth’s iconic roles—plus a touch of nostalgia for celebrity crushes and blockbuster films.

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Main Segments

1. Kylie’s Updates & Ask Me Some Things [00:28 – 11:39]

Highlights:

• Kylie shouts out advances for women in sports, including record attendance in PWHL, WNBA million-dollar contracts, and astronaut Christina Koch’s trip around the moon.
• Announces new “Support Women’s Sports” merch, with proceeds directed towards girls in sports and arts foundations (soliciting listener suggestions).
• Ask Me Some Things: Kylie answers listener questions on favorite shows, childhood celebrity crushes, and tips for transitioning from 1 to 2 kids.

Notable Quotes:

• “Having a Philadelphia sports fan be the first woman to fly around the moon feels appropriate because we are passionate and there’s a certain level of grit to us.” – Kylie Kelce [02:15]
• “I love the show ‘The Pit’…my ADHD loves that it’s one day. It doesn’t make it feel like this season is this long, drawn out situation.” – Kylie Kelce [06:15]
• On sibling dynamics: “The good news about 1 to 2 is you still have a hand for each. If they run different directions, you can still grab both of them.” [09:41]
• “Don’t feel bad about dropping food on that child’s head.” – Kylie’s parenting tip on using baby wraps [10:25]

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2. Doomscroll of the Week [11:39 – 16:31]

Key Moments:

• Kylie reacts to a viral TikTok where a partner eats cookies meant for the mom in labor—sparking conversation about the “bare minimum” in supporting women during childbirth.
• Shares delight in a viral clip of a toddler’s unique straight-legged frog jump, reminiscing about her own children’s learning milestones.

Notable Quotes:

• “The bare minimum for childbirth…is getting the cookie afterwards.” – Kylie Kelce on the TikTok cookie debate [12:27]
• “When he does the jump…the grass blades are still touching the bottom of his feet.” – Kylie, describing the viral toddler jump [16:31]

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3. Conversation with Elizabeth Banks [22:10 – 56:41]

a. Philly Roots & Sports Fandom [22:10 – 28:47]

• Elizabeth’s Philly connection (UPenn, “Invincible” movie) and her home’s divided sports loyalty: “In my current home, my husband is an Eagles fan, I am a New England fan, and we are raising kids who are from LA, which is wild to me.” [23:01]
• Both share appreciation for Philly’s passionate, sometimes aggressive sports culture.

b. The Brother-in-Laws’ Podcast & Male Sports Rituals [25:41 – 28:47]

• Discussion about the Kelce brothers’ podcast antics, “squirting” sports drinks, and sibling dynamics:
  “It is the lightning in a bottle that they have that everyone enjoys tuning in on.” – Kylie Kelce [27:11]
• Elizabeth observes: “Male sports generally are already so ridiculously loving…they dress in each other’s jerseys, they hug each other, pat each other on the butt…it’s blowing kisses!” [27:35]

c. Women’s Soccer & Ownership [28:47 – 31:20]

• Elizabeth shares her excitement as a co-owner of Boston Legacy FC, NWSL’s expansion team:
  “It’s a wild prospect to think about starting from scratch, building anything from scratch. But in Title Town Boston…we are really trying to build out a women’s sports franchise in a town that has an incredible fandom already.” [28:58]
• Both hosts agree it’s time for more women’s pro teams.

d. New Show: The Miniature Wife [31:27 – 36:35]

• Elizabeth describes her new Peacock show:
  “It’s about Les and Lindy Littlejohn…he’s been working on a shrinking formula and he accidentally shrinks me. It’s really about power dynamics in a couple.” [31:39]
• On shooting green screen scenes alone:
  “It’s the most vulnerable I’ve ever felt as an actor…if you just actually saw behind the scenes footage of me doing this it’s insane what it looks like.” [35:07]

e. Iconic Films: Pitch Perfect & Hunger Games [36:35 – 40:44]

• Pitch Perfect:
  • Favorite line: “‘Okay, excuse me’…I still…say that to my kids…probably once a day.” [36:40–36:48]
  • “You gotta go for icon status if you’re gonna make something, try to be iconic.” – Elizabeth Banks [37:11]
• Hunger Games – Effie:
  • “Effie…held up the fascist patriarchy of President Snow because she really benefited from that system…she’s a great cautionary tale.” [38:00]
  • On Elle Fanning playing young Effie: “She’s a fabulous choice, actually kind of the only choice…And I also felt like the fans really wanted it to be her. And I think the fandom for The Hunger Games, they get what they want.” [39:17]
  • On youth and citizenship:
    “It’s very empowering for young people. Telling young people they can’t just let the world happen to them. They actually can be a part of it.” [40:00–40:37]

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4. Motherhood, Teens & “The Talk” [42:17 – 54:13]

a. Raising Girls & Sibling Dynamics [42:17 – 44:28]

• Both discuss similarities in family structures, large families, and the tight sibling bonds they hope to foster.

b. Parenting Teens & Support [44:28 – 46:51]

• Elizabeth’s advice for parenting teens:
  • “When they’re thirteen, they’re trying to figure out how to be humans. They’re trying on personalities, they’re looking at how they have power in the world.” [45:29]
• Kylie on “big kids, big problems”: “There’s a sense of security…now we’re really figuring out how to navigate the world.” [46:51]

c. The Importance of Giving Teens “The Talk” [49:10 – 53:55]

• Elizabeth’s take:

  • “You may not need the Pythagorean theorem when you’re older…but you are almost definitely…going to have sex. And we are giving young people zero tools right now. We are essentially saying porn exists on the internet—have fun.” [49:12–50:52]
  • “You want to be…their trusted adult. If I’m not your trusted adult, then do you have an aunt, a friend, a cousin? Every kid needs a trusted adult where they can have these big questions answered and feel safe.” [53:23]

• Kylie’s anecdote:

  • “At some point…I went to my mom—I think I was like, 13—and I was like, mom, I’m gonna save myself for marriage. My mom looked at me and was like ‘You gotta test drive a car before you buy it.’” [52:52]

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5. Best Motherhood Advice [54:13 – 56:41]

• Elizabeth shares the importance of honoring children’s perceptions and whimsy:
  • “Childhood is for whimsy and magic…give them the tooth fairy, the fireworks, the music, the dancing, the love and the whimsy…because the world is going to take that away eventually.” [55:50–56:23]

Memorable Story:
Elizabeth recounts the moment she witnessed a father dismiss his child’s awe at seeing fireworks from an airplane, vowing never to do the same as a parent.

• "You just told her her reality is not real. She’s having, like, a magical moment…" [55:25]

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Noteworthy Quotes & Timestamps

• “Effie had one of the biggest arcs of anyone I’ve ever played. She ultimately becomes a revolutionary...a cautionary tale.” – Elizabeth Banks [38:00]
• “You need to provide those things for your children because the world is going to take that away eventually.” – Elizabeth Banks [55:50]
• “You want to be their trusted adult where they can have these big questions answered and feel safe asking and not feel shamed.” – Elizabeth Banks [53:23]

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• 00:28 – Kylie intros, women in sports, and personal updates
• 05:00 – Ask Me Some Things; TV shows, celeb crushes, 1 to 2 kids
• 11:39 – Doomscroll of the Week: Cookie-in-labor story, viral frog jump
• 22:10 – Elizabeth Banks joins: Philly sports culture
• 28:58 – Women’s soccer & Boston Legacy FC
• 31:39 – The Miniature Wife explained
• 36:35 – Pitch Perfect and iconic lines
• 38:00 – Hunger Games, Effie and advice for youth
• 42:17 – Motherhood and raising teens
• 49:10 – Giving teens “the talk”
• 54:13 – Best motherhood advice

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Overall Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, playful, and honest—mixing humor and vulnerability. Kylie’s signature self-deprecation, Philly pride, and “zero f*cks” approach set the tone throughout, while Elizabeth Banks matches her with wit, wisdom, and warmth.

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends pop culture, sports, and parenting insights with personal stories and plenty of laughter. Whether celebrating milestones, discussing the importance of women’s empowerment, or tackling tough parenting topics, Kylie and Elizabeth keep it real and relatable—making this a must-listen for fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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I love that man. And also, he's mine. Don't forget it. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie Wave. Original brought to you by Pull Ups. I'm your host, Kylie Kelce, local animal nerd, known to hide when I eat chocolate. Seriously, you should have seen me with the Tim Tams last night. If you know, you know. And other desserts so my kids don't find me because I don't want to hear, can I have some? Or what's in your mouth. And noted supporter of women supporting women because women, specifically the Professional Women's Hockey League, are setting attendance records at Madison Square Garden. The women of the WNBA are finally getting paid with 15 WNBA players so far signing $1 million plus deals. Insane. Oh, yeah. An astronaut Christina Cook just became the first woman to fly around the moon. Shout out and go, birds to astronaut Christina of the Artemis 2 crew. She can actually be seen in space in her Phillies jersey with an eagle's bucket hat on. Outstanding. We love that so much. Having a Philadelphia sports fan be the first woman to fly around the moon feels appropriate because we are passionate and there's a certain level of grit to us that I feel like Christina probably directly applied to her training and also this mission. So way to go, Christina. I can truly say that these are the types of things that we should feel privileged that we get to be alive for and witness in current times. That's very exciting. I was not watching the live streams because going to space freaks me out. The girls and I did talk about how amazing it is that Christina was in the rocket that flew around the moon and that that's a really big accomplishment for her and women. We did discuss that. It was. I mean, they're six and under guys, so it was pretty surface level, but we did talk about it. Christina, you are welcome on NGL anytime. I hope that didn't need to be said. And of course, as always, a go, birds. All right, now that we've addressed our space travel for the day. Coming up on today's episode, a fresh edition of Ask Me some Things where we've got questions about the transition from one to two kids and childhood celebrity crushes. After that, I'm going to be joined by someone I've always wanted to talk to. She's a hilarious actress who's been in some of my favorite movies ever. She's also a director, co owner of a soccer team, and somebody I have, you guessed it, no business speaking to Elizabeth Banks. But before we get to all that, let's start with a quick NGL announcement. Attention, real ones. Merch is back. We got the fafo hoodie and no business being here. Hat back. Plus we also just launched a brand new collection. Let's see the photos. Queen Emma. Yes. Support women's sports. You got it. That's what we do around here. Women supporting women. You see we did there. Support women's sports. Support women sports. We've got the sweatshirt, T shirt and hat for this one. I love this one. I'm very excited because I personally really enjoy when we have T shirts or merch that doesn't have my name on it because then I can wear it. So I want to be like the real ones. I want to be matching. Let's be matching. We also have NGL long sleeve now. And look at that. The back says it's fine. I'm fine. Yeah, because if we say it enough, we'll believe it. Check all of it out [e-mail] oh my gosh. You know what this means, guys? Every time we launch a new merch line, we get to pick a charity that we are going to donate the proceeds to. This is so exciting. Here's the deal. We love to impact as many people as possible. So real ones I'm going to. I would love some suggestions if you have organizations or foundations that impact girls in sports. And realistically, I do think that if this also includes girls in the arts, we would also like to look into that because sports are not the only way that you can have extracurricular activities that enrich the lives of your children that also teach them about working with the team. If you have an organization or a foundation that you think support women in sports or girls in sports or girls in extracurricular activities, please let us know so that we can review some options and we will get back to you with which one we choose to be the recipient of this. Merch launches charitable donation. Next order of business, a brand new edition of Ask me some Things Because Ask Me Anything was too open ended. Seriously, you guys gotta chill. Ask Me Some Things is brought to you by Pull Ups. I thought for some reason when my brain first saw that sentence it was like, ask me some things is brought to you by Kylie. Kelsey. We've joked about it, but one of these times, guys, I'm gonna pay for an episode and then say whatever the hell I want. That's a lie. We do that anyway. You're literally not allowed to be a sponsor if you're going to try and tell me what to say. Okay. Ask Me Some Things is brought to you by Pull Ups. First question here. Matoodle. That's adorable. 31. What is your favorite movie, TV show and do you have any recommendations? Let me tell you the last thing he told me. I need to finish the season. I got a little bit distracted because I kept trying to watch it in instances where I was not with my children. And oftentimes that means that I'm by myself in a hotel room or something else. And it freaks me out to watch that show when I'm not in the safety of my own home with big large man sleeping next to me. I love the pit. Don't. I had to. I had to select not interested on Tik Tok on multiple. The Pit. Tik Toks because it was going to spoil. I have not had the time to dedicate this time to watching the rest of the season that's currently out. I need you guys not to tell me because I'm in it. I love that show. I think the cast is outstanding. I think it's such an eclectic group of people and the characters are so good. And I also. My ADHD loves that it's one day. It loves that for some reason. It doesn't make it feel like this season is this long, drawn out situation that it's going to be like short, sweet, to the point. And it's not. It's. It's hour long episodes, about the hour of the shift. It's fine. I love it. I love it so much. Next question. Childhood celebrity crush. One of the brothers on Home Improvement. I don't know which one. Maybe it was the middle one. There were three of them, right? It was the middle brother on Home Improvement. I thought he was cute. Freddie Prinze Jr. Because what is that movie? What is that movie? What is that movie? She's all that. No, is it she's all that with the girl with the glasses and she's Lainey and she's. Yep, she's all that I loved the movie. She's all that. And I think that that Freddy Pritch Jr. Character specifically is what I liked. I just loved that movie. I loved that she was so pretty. And she was in painted overalls. Paint spattered overalls. And then all of a sudden it was like, you should take off your glasses and wear this cute dress. And suddenly everyone was like, oh, she's gorgeous. And it was like, what? Those are literally the only two that come to mind, which is kind of ridiculous. Rose wants to know tips for going from one to two will be 20 months apart. One to two to me, felt great. It was entertainment for the older and entertainment for the younger. When the older one is launching themselves off of things, the little blob is just laying there watching them like, that's pretty crazy. So it's built in entertainment both directions, which I really appreciated. The good news about 1 to 2 is that you still have a hand for each. If they. If they. If they do ready, break. And then they run different directions, you can still grab both of them.

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20 months apart feels good. Our oldest are 17 months apart and it was so nice because now it feels like they're hitting stages very quickly behind each other. And it's been that way the whole time. And they'll learn from each other. It's so cool to have siblings that are that close in age. I'm biased again because most of our. All of our splits are 17. Almost two years. Almost two years. It's great. I love it. I will say get a really good baby wrap. Something that you're comfortable with that you can put on easily. I was not the person who liked the really long one that you have to figure out how to tie and tuck and all that stuff. I watched plenty of videos. I got the hang of it. I still didn't like it. It wasn't for me. I think a baby wrap because if your second is a velcro child or a velcro baby and it's so much easier to strap them in, make sure their head is secured and they're tucked safely against your chest. You not. I am not a medical professional, but the tip I was told was you should be able to easily kiss them on the head just by dropping your chin. They shouldn't be, like, sinking down, like, lower than your boobs. That. That is helpful because then you get both of your hands back. And don't feel bad about dropping food on that child's head. Do not. I'm not going to judge you if you drop some sandwich on Their head. Just make sure you pick it up. If they're close enough that you can kiss their head. You could probably just eat it off of their head if it fell down there. Just a thought. Okay, that's. Ask Me some things brought to you by Pull Ups. Now let's get to doomscroll of the week. Brought to you by Lululemon. First up, there's a TikTok trend right now where women are asking their partners if they would eat hypothetical cookies they were given in labor while they are unable to eat.

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Really?

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Let's see the clip. Queen Emma say, we were married and I gave birth to our child. You know, you can't eat while you're giving birth. I can't.

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Women can't eat when they get.

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When they're giving birth. I would not eat cookies while you're giving birth. Have you heard this story? Nope, But I know where it's going. I would never do that. Is that foul? Did someone do that? So this doctor brought this woman two cookies and she goes, just save me one of them. You can have the other one while she's in labor. He goes, okay, yeah, yeah. He eats both of them. She goes, after labor. After a really, really, really hard subs. Are you crying? Oh, my God, that's so sad.

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I know.

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It's so sad. Okay, first of all, this gentleman is a walking green flag. I can just throw that out there real quick. Second. Okay, I have a couple questions here. First of all, I have not seen this trend. If I asked Jason not to eat a cookie that was intended for me, he wouldn't eat the cookie that was intended for me. It's that simple. The fact that there were two cookies and she asked for just one cookie to be saved for her and he couldn't do that. You should have. No, you should have asked the doctor. Nope, that wasn't going to be any better. You should have punched. Kidding. I just can't fathom having a human being exit your body and looking forward to a cookie and then your partner has already eaten your cookie. That was for you. It. You know those instances where someone does something and they look for some recognition? You're like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, you earned a sticker. You get a cookie. Like, that's your reward. That is the bare minimum for childbirth. So the fact that he ate your cookies. Wow. Also, I would just like to point out quite some time ago, I made a tick tock about childbirth and my husband's involvement in it, and it was a joke which people thought I was serious but it was fully a joke. And at some point I recorded him eating bagels while I was in labor and therefore could not also enjoy the bagels. And I have had to go back and explain that I actually, the background audio of that clip is me, like, enjoying him eating the bagel. Like I wanted to know how the bagel was. But don't eat my cookies. You know, I have full faith that Jason would not eat my cookies. I know that for a fact. I have faith in my husband, especially on today, our eight year anniversary. I know he wouldn't eat my cookies. All right, let's keep it scrolling here. The next clip is, no exaggeration, One of the best things I've seen on the Internet. Queen of the clip, Please can you show me what a frog does? Let's see it. Yes, it says my toddler's version of a frog jumping. For our audio listeners, he is straight legged, hopping. And let me just. His physique impeccable. If I had to explain it to people, I would say that it looks like you shrunk down an offensive lineman. You shrunk him down. You just did like the little pinch that you do to zoom out on your iPhone. That's that and that's his physique. So he's perfect. And then he's hopping, but his legs are straight. And no fault of his. He's not actually going very far. And he was not asked for sound effects, but he's fully in character. And he said, rabbit rebet. No notes. Not a single fucking note. Mom also posted a video of him doing a big jump, and it's fantastic.

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Can you do a really. Can you do a really big jump? Amazing, dude.

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Oh. Again, for my audio listeners, when he is jumping, this is a big jump. He. A big jump was requested. He is in the grass of the backyard. And I promise you, when he does the jump, the grass blades are still touching the bottom of his feet. Now, the comment section on that video didn't disappoint. As always, we sprint to the comments. Lex says the sky is truly his limit. See what you did there? The next person said, woo. Thank goodness he didn't fly over that wall because there was a chance of that. And the third comment says, LeBron James is real quiet since this reel dropped, which is hilarious. He does not have ups. There are no ups happening. I can vividly remember the feeling that I had watching every single one of our girls jump for the first time. Now, Finny, the only jumping she has done was when she was learning to walk and she would try to what I call scurry. But I think she would equate it to running, an attempt at running. But her feet were still not ready to walk and she was trying to run. So sometimes when she would try to sort of get a jump start, it would be just that both feet would go at the same time and her feet would actually hit heel first at the same time. And then she would end up her feet and she'd go really like toes over nose and just on her ass. And it was outstanding. I didn't like that she was bonking her butt. I loved that she was doing it with a jump. I still remember watching the other three girls learn to jump and then proceed to show it off to everybody. I love little kids jumping. I love little kids learning a new thing and then showing it off as if it is just, I mean, Olympic gold medal earning situation. What can they do? Some impressive feats. I am of the. What was it? A vine? I don't. It's not even a vine. It's a clip from the office when they're going parkour, Parkour, Parkour. And just jumping off of chairs on a regular basis. I will like just do a little sideways jump off of a step and be like parkour. And so then they started doing that. And now they will set up obstacle courses in the living room and jump off of a cushion onto the couch and then stand back up and go parkour. And I love that. And that does it for doom. Scroll the Week Brought to you by Lululemon Coming up, I'm about to be joined by Elizabeth Banks right after these messages from me. As a mom of four kids six and under, I can actually admit I may know a thing or two about potty training. It was difficult to figure out, but we got through it the first time. And by the second time, she was taking notes from her older sister. And then, you guessed it, the third one came along. She took notes from the two older ones. I'm hoping that that means that Finn is going to be the easiest. There may or may not have been a time where there was a turd on the kitchen floor. It was my first go round and I've since learned what I know has worked consistently is positive reinforcement and the help of Pull Ups. Luckily, there's a new product from Pull Ups. The number one potty training brand has added a learning layer that feels wet but stays dry. It's designed to help kids learn the difference between feeling wet and dry. Plus it's dermatologist tested and Safe for sensitive skin and it helps build big kid confidence progress without the stress of a Mess. Up to 100% leak free. Buy new Pull Ups with Learning Layer now designed to help kids learn wet from dry. Learn more [e-mail] as a full on type C mom, I found it's incredibly important to me to have my go tos in my closet. So when I'm rushing around doing school drop off and errands, I can grab something I know I love and I'm comfortable in. AKA Lululemon. I have been wearing Lululemon since I was maybe 19 years old. I picked them because they last the test of time. I still have my favorite pair of Lululemon shorts for a solid 10 years. They have lasted so long. Plus their new spring styles take that even further. Right now I'm into the new Steady State super loft pieces. This is the sweatshirt. They are unbelievably soft. A nice thick fabric that you know is going to not only keep you cozy but be a good layer to the elements. And here's the thing you need to know. Lululemon does limited color runs. So when those new styles drop every Tuesday, they go fast. You don't want to wait if it's not for you. Lululemon offers free returns, no risk. That's lululemon.com new drops every Tuesday. Go now. She's the hilarious actress. You know from such classics as Pitch Perfect, the Hunger games, lego movie, 40 year old virgin, 30 rock, definitely maybe and Wet Hot American Summer. She's also an incredible director, co owner of Boston Legacy fc. Her brand new show, the Miniature Wife is officially out now on Peacock. And now she's not gonna lie. Elizabeth Banks, welcome to the show. And more importantly, go birds, go.

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Oh, okay. I'll allow it. I'll allow it with you. I'll allow it.

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Okay, here's. I have a question for you because I know that you have posted in an eagles hat before. Yes, you are from Massachusetts, but you have a couple different connections to Philadelphia. Is it your time at UPENN that got you?

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Yes, 100%. Okay, well, beat them.

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Join them.

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So a couple. A couple of things. Yeah, I mean, fly, eagles, fly. I for. So I. I'm also in Invincible. The Vince Papali Story.

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Yes.

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So I really got immersed in Eagles culture, you know, while making that film. But I had gone to Penn in Philadelphia. I am a huge fan of Philly as a city, as a Spanish sports town. Incredible sports town. And as a Massachusetts person, New England. We have an incredible Sports fandom. So, like, I know it when I see it and like, Philly really brings it. And my husband is from Portland, Oregon, so they have the Portland Trailblazers, but they have no football team. So when we were 18 years old and young, he sort of adopted the Eagles as his team. So in my current home, my husband is an Eagles fan, I am a New England fan, and we are raising kids who are from la, which is wild to me. And so we are also trying to allow them to be Rams fans. But when you're in Philly, it just, it's hard not to be swept up by it. And I went to a lot of Eagles games as a college student and even beyond. One of my favorite things to do was to take the subway in Philly down Broad street, you know, and get down there on a game day. Because you get on. I remember getting on. We were playing. I don't know who we were playing. The team was wearing red. So I'm going to say, I don't know, it was in San Francisco or I don't know. But anyway, we get on and this poor couple, like the whole car, train car, right. Is Eagles fans and this poor couple in their red jerseys and they just start singing fly, Eagle, fly, you know, on the road to victory. Like, it just starts. It starts slow and then it builds. And then they're like, the fans are like on top of this couple that's just there and then. And I was like, this is gonna go sideways so quickly. And then immediately everyone's like, da, da, da, High fives and off the train. It was like nothing. And it was just. I thought, yeah, that's them. It's a little threatening, but ultimately they are peaceful most of the time.

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Yeah, we're aggressive. I say this wholeheartedly, owning it. We are aggressive. We are passionate.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And if you don't meet us with a combative energy.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

We're good.

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That's right. This couple was like, uh huh. Yep. We know where we are. We understand now. We are not in control of this moment and we are not coming for you. And like, this isn't the place. And yeah, I agree. I think that they. It felt actually ultimately just sort of friendly.

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Yes. Now, I will say on your way there, I assume that people were not quite at their end of game status, if you will, which helps.

[A]

Yeah, they were a bit underserved, not overserved yet. So the underserving definitely helped the scenario. Yeah.

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We also have something else in common, apparently. We're both fans. I I mentioned this to you before we started recording of what I like to call the other podcast, AKA new.

[A]

Yes, don't bleep that.

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Don't worry. Because you posted this hilarious tick tock reaction to one of their more ridiculous clips.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You kind of just know when somebody reaches up to squirt you to open up your mouth. Squirt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you just get squirted. But you don't always, like, they don't have to do the squirting. You can do the squirting sometimes, but you know, when you develop a relationship, you just know when you're about to get squirted on. You develop the relationship. Yeah. You gotta have a good relationship with this person. Squirting.

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Yeah.

[B]

Gets worse, right? When you think it can't get worse, it gets worse.

[A]

It. It does. And here's the thing. I was like, does Jason. When did Jason catch on? Because clearly Travis realized it right away, I feel like. And then just was sort of egging him on.

[B]

What?

[A]

I mean, so they're talking about the sort of guy who comes up with the Gatorade and goes, you know, because they don't want to touch each other's mouths. Cooties. I don't know. And so I love the. It's so clear what they're talking about. And your husband just went all in on that one. And it really delighted me to no end. And when they get on those riffs and they kind of egg each other on, I really. That's. I mean, that's the sibling relationship that we all want.

[B]

It is the lightning in a bottle that they have that everyone enjoys tuning in on. The way they riff off of each other is absolutely hilarious. Yeah. But it does. It. It is ridiculous to me that they will get in something like that. And you're just like, guys, no, but I love. Stop saying squirting.

[A]

They gotta work the bit. And they do.

[B]

And they're good at it.

[A]

They're so good at working a bit. I mean, this is why they're, you know, who they are and why the success is what it is. Because they're having fun with life. Guys, life is hard. Let's just have a little fun. Talk about squirting in each other's mouths. I mean, I'm somebody who's like, male sports generally are already so ridiculously. I'll call it loving. Okay. I'll call it loving. Men love each other so much. They dress up in each other's jerseys, they hug each other, they pat each other on the butt. You know, they're like. It's like blowing kisses. I mean, you know, I don't know how invested you are in heated rivalry. I'm very invested.

[B]

Let me tell you. I haven't seen it yet. I know, I know. But what I will tell you is

[A]

right now, so you can watch it.

[B]

Wait. The number of TikToks that I have seen. TikToks or things on Instagram where people are, like, at a. At what they're calling the boy aquarium, which is.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

And. And they look at each other and one person says, so, when do they kiss? And now people have applied it to all other sports.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

Gosh. Well, since we're already talking sports, let's flip to some. Really, I think a happy side of sports is your ownership of the Boston legacy.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you. I'm really excited to be part of the ownership team of Boston's latest franchise boss Legacy, the NWSL team. We've just kicked off our first season. You know, I think it's a wild prospect to think about starting from scratch, building anything from scratch. But in title town Boston, you know, we are really trying to build out a women's sports franchise in a town that has an incredible fandom already. And from what I've seen so far, I was at the kickoff game at Gillette Stadium, and we had, you know, over 30,000 people there. It was an incredible feeling. And I, you know, the team then was in the St Patty's Day parade the next day. And, like, people had the gear on and they were like, they already knew the players. And it's. I think it's going to be really. It's going to be really intense, and it's going to be really special. But I think ultimately it's time and we're ready. We're ready to have a sports team for women in Boston.

[B]

That's such a. That's like a really good summary of women's sports right now. Right? Like, it's time. And we're waiting in Philly for the time that we get to have a women's soccer team here. We just got word that 2030, we're getting a W team, a WNBA, so we're headed in the right direction.

[A]

Yeah, look, you know, I think sports is a universal language, right? It's like, it's watching. We all love watching. The best of us. When you are rising to the level of professional sportsdom, like, you've started young, you've committed yourself. You are like, you're reaching for something that very few people there's 7 billion people on the planet. There's only so many professional sports teams like you are working at the highest level. And I think it's so inspirational for people to see and women want to be inspired in that way too. And I want to honor the women that have devoted their lives to their sports sport by actually paying them to play it and watching them do it and, and, and cheering them on. So it took not just like, you know, me saying it. I wanted to, I wanted to put my money where my mouth was.

[B]

That's incredible. Now I, I'd also love to talk to you about the TV shows and movies that everyone loves you in.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Starting of course with your brand new show, the miniature wife. All 10 episodes are officially streaming now on Peacock. Can you tell us a little bit about this? For the real ones who haven't seen it yet, what do they need to know?

[A]

The Miniature Wife. A lot of it's in the title. It's about Les and Lindy Littlejohn. My husband is a wild, incredible scientist. He's been working on a shrinking formula and he accidentally shrinks me. And it's really about power dynamics in a couple. And I think we can all relate to that sense of feeling small in a relationship. Sometimes it's in your romantic relationship. You feel like your needs, wants might be being minimized by your partner. Sometimes it's in a professional setting. My character is an award winning writer, but she has writer's block and she feels like she's not getting ahead in her career anymore. I think we can all sort of relate to like a boss that makes you feel small. But ultimately it's a couple that started off in a partnership and has become a competition. I think that's also really relatable for people. I don't know about you, but I try very hard not to to keep a tally sheet in my relationship. Right? Like, well, I did the dishes and you need to do the laundry and I'm doing the pickup and you're doing the this. And like it's hard, right? Like when we're really trying to co parent and like be in a partnership. I think there are just gender dynamics at play and social dynamics at play and this show is not afraid to tackle those and give the wife a bit of the moral high ground because she gets shrunk and diminished. But then she's very complicated and a little flawed. And so I meant to give you an elevator pitch and now I'm telling you about the entire show.

[B]

No, it's funny because in your Explanation and you saying about how it's sort of like trying, like, just in our own relationships, of not trying to keep a tally board of what people are doing. And in the scene where your character is shrunk down, it's. It is literally like, well, I did this and you did that, and then you didn't do this. And. And it's the perfect example of, like, when everything gets bottled up and all of a sudden you guys are just like, let's. Let's trauma dump.

[A]

Yes, exactly.

[B]

Let's lay it all out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it is. It's incredible to. To know that it really is a very obvious version of, like, yes, you got smaller, but it's addressing that in those moments, you might feel significantly. Minimized.

[A]

Yes, minimized. I think that what was fun was there's really big themes, and we were just gonna make that feeling that I think is very relatable, literal in the show. And what happened to me when they shrunk me in real life, in the show, in the shooting of the show, was I had to then work on green screen. Anytime I'm 6 inches tall, I'm working alone, isolated from my scene partner, from the whole rest of the cast and crew in a giant green box by myself. And it's the most vulnerable I've ever felt as an actor because it's already sort of ridiculous to, like, make believe for a living. Okay. Let's be honest. And now I'm make. I'm like, make believing to, like a ball on a stick or like an eyeline that's 100ft away, alone, while the crew is just, like, walking to craft service and, like, on their phone and not being. You know what I mean? Like, I have no. I just have no. I'm just alone.

[B]

There's no back and forth.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, it was really, like, a mind mess. Like, it really fucked with my mind. I don't know if you can swear on your podcast, but, like, really, please.

[B]

We have a series called Fuck around and Find out. You say whatever you want.

[A]

Yeah, I know. I suppose that's true. Yeah. I really fucked with my mind, like, to be alone and just feel so vulnerable. Like, guys, I'm trying to imagine literally the floor I'm walking on, you know, the walls around me, not to mention, like, a cat or my husband or my scene partner. And I'm doing, like, monologues and emotional stuff and I'm crying and I'm, like, alone. Like, it looks insane. Like, if you just actually saw behind the scenes footage of me doing this it's insane what it looks like. And so everyone really like dropped in and sort of looked outside myself and thought this is so weird what I'm doing.

[B]

But you. But to your credit then watching it and. And not having any sense of like, oh, there is a disconnect. You are so locked in and it is so flowing. It's so. It's so fluid and lovely and so to watch it and know that that's what you were working with is insane. Yeah, that takes a severe amount of talent. Now you also have so many movies that I want to ask you about. One of my favorite movies of yours is Pitch Perfect. Yeah, it is just, I mean endlessly quotable, hilarious cast. It was top to bottom outstanding. Do you have a favorite line or scene from the movie?

[A]

Well, I love saying ok, excuse me. I still. Will everyone smuggle ak. Excuse me.

[B]

Like thank you so much for saying that. I say that to my kids. I'm not exaggerating. Probably once a day.

[A]

I mean, ok, excuse me is just so ridiculous. And all the time also it just sort of says like what you're saying is ridiculous.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like calm down.

[B]

I don't eat it with ridiculous. And say oc.

[A]

Excuse mescuse me.

[B]

Yeah, you're being ridiculous. I'm gonna be ridiculous?

[A]

Yeah, you're being insane.

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

Yeah, I love that one. I mean look, I freshen up the downtown. Something that really sticks with me as well. I really love that character. Gail Abernathy McAddan Feinberger Muhammad I believe is her ultimately. She got married five times. I think really loved her and she's iconic and you gotta go for icon status if you're gonna make something, try to be iconic.

[B]

Well, speaking of an icon, another iconic role is Effie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In Hunger Games. Talk about like a larger than life. Like not only in the way that she is dressed and the way the character looks, but then also like the personality. That was a very impressive role to watch.

[A]

Effie is one of my all time favorites partially because I think as a character she has one of the biggest arcs of anyone I've ever played. And I think Effie speaks to this moment in time in a crazy way because Effie was somebody who held up the fascist patriarchy of President Snow because she really benefited from that system for a really long time and she got a lot of self worth from it. And she's a great cautionary tale and she's someone who then realizes that that system is not fair. When Katniss and Peeta get brought back into the Hunger Games. She's at that absolutely breaks every rule of like what the system is supposed to do. They're supposed to be free, they won, they're supposed to be out. And it's such a. It's such a harsh reality check for her and a change of heart that she ultimately becomes a revolutionary. But I just thought this is such an incredible. And unfortunately, I think it speaks more and more to the time that we're living in right now.

[B]

You said it. I saw the next Hunger Games is coming out this fall with Elle Fanning playing a younger version of Effie. Did you talk to Elle about the character at all?

[A]

I saw Dakota after she got cast, but I haven't seen Elle. But we texted about it because I was so excited for her. And I know Elle a little bit and I just think she's fabulous. A fabulous choice, actually kind of the only choice, to be honest. And I also felt like the fans really wanted it to be her. And I think the fandom for the Hunger Games, they get what they want.

[B]

Well, I think they know it deeply.

[A]

They do. They're so invested. And in terms of like who Effy was, I'm really interested to see like what they do with that. With that beginning, you know, like with that story. And I think it's really exciting. I loved. I loved the last movie was great battle. The song birds and snakes can be incredible. Like it's all that whole world that Suzanne has created. And also very empowering for young people. Right? Like telling young people that they need to be interested citizens in the world around them, that they can't just let the world happen to them. They actually can be a part of it. They have to be invested. Like these big policies, these politicians, like the things that they're doing matter. They. It actually affects their lives and they need to start that process of being involved as, you know, as. As young as they can be.

[B]

That is so appropriate right now. Right now.

[A]

I love talking about Effie for this reason.

[B]

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[A]

By the way, girl, you have so many kids.

[B]

So many.

[A]

You have twice as many kids as me, and I have too many kids.

[B]

Yes, but you've made it further.

[A]

I will.

[B]

You are further. You are slightly further down the road.

[A]

And the road, I'm telling you, it gets more and more fun. I love it.

[B]

That's.

[A]

I love everything. I don't miss any of the younger. I mean, I, I'm a little ness. I'm just not a nostalgic person by nature. I'm always like, let's go forward. What's next? What's in the future? I'm like, really excited for tomorrow, you know, And I have to say, people are like, oh, you have two teenagers. Oh, is that. Oh. And I'm like, I don't know what you're doing at home, but my teenagers are a blast. I'm a.

[B]

They must have girls. The people saying that to you must have girls.

[A]

They must have girls. I know. And you have four of them.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm the oldest of three girls and then we had a baby brother. So I also have four kids in my family.

[B]

And.

[A]

And it's everybody in the. There's just those bad moods, those low days, those like, crazy, you know, those rage, like all of it. And you're not gonna escape it. No. But hopefully they'll. But they are gonna be each other's best friends, I bet.

[B]

Because I bet they already are.

[A]

Yeah. So my sisters are my best friends and I think it was really important to my parents that that be the case. And I love that they pass that on to us. That sense that like, do not mess this up. Like as you get older and as you go through life, like the person that's going to know you best and is going to understand you is going to be there for you, is your siblings and four girls. I mean, my goodness, they are going to have a great time.

[B]

I hope so. You can already see them sort of riffing off of each other's personalities in a way that is so complimentary and also so opposite of each other.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That it's like you guys have like the world right here. Like all of you together are just like, you're the best little squad. And I'm so, I'm really, I'm excited. I'm never wishing away like the current phases we're in, but I'm very much like, I'm excited for the day that they can like wake up, get their own cereal, start their own day.

[A]

Oh girl, you've no idea. It's the best. And, and the other thing, you know what's interesting is I actually think because I travel so much for work and I have a little, that little bit of mom guilt. It's not even guilt, it's that I just being with them and so I will still. Even though they're perfectly capable of getting themselves up and making a bagel and you know, getting out the door. I get up most mornings, I just, I don't. I want them to see me before they go to school. I want to have that like grounding moment with them. And I got really good advice when I was a young mother and my kids were little, you know, I was so sort of guilt ridden and, and sad about like being at work when they were like three. And I remember someone saying to me, I think even like Julianne Moore said it to me like, you got to be there when they're 13 because three is like, it's great but like they just need, they're, they're so don't take offense 3 year olds. But you're basic. Okay. Like you don't. You need to be fed.

[B]

Not a worry in the world.

[A]

You need to play a little bit. But like, you know, you're not having these like big, big 13 is. They're trying to figure out how to be humans. They're trying to figure out who they are. They're trying on personalities. They're looking at how they have power in the world. What does it look like? How are they cool. I remember our school said to us Seventh graders want to get an A in exactly one subject. Social. They just want to be the A plus in social. And it's so true. You know, they just. They don't know who they are, and. And their friends start disappointing them, and they. You know, they. They're not sure who to trust with their big feelings. And, like, you have to be that rock. That is just, like, their emotional stability. Because, man, when those hormones start hitting like, it's. You're. They're becoming a different person. You know, they're really. They're figuring stuff out in a way that you need to be a bit of a guide. And I feel it right now. 13 and 15 are my boys, and I really feel that sense of just, like, they just want to touch a little bit. Back to like, oh, but my mom's still here. Like, I had a big day. I had a big feeling. I had a thing happen, but my mom is like, she's right there. Yes.

[B]

Security. There's a sense of security that I've been told multiple times. Little kid, little problems. Big kids, big problems. And I'm like, that makes a lot of sense. We're talking about. I mean, my kids are talking about little things, right? What they're going to wear to school tomorrow. The shoes are itchy in the wrong spot. All of those, like, little things that'll, like, bring out the big feelings. And when they get to middle school, which I. I still believe the worst of the worst.

[A]

Absolutely. There's no. Nobody makes that alive. It's so bad. Yeah.

[B]

And then you get to middle school, and it's all of these things happening. Friends are speaking meanly, or this person said that. And it's like, you have to help them be secure in themselves.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

In a way that was like, when you were younger, a hug and a kiss would fix it. And now we're, like, really figuring out how to navigate the world.

[A]

You know, I also, you know, you just realize the older they get, like, mine's going to drive next year. And the consequences, right. Of what they're doing. Sex, driving, drugs, smoking, vaping, social media, the whole. All of it. Just. That's what they're navigating, like. And they're navigating it in a way that it's coming. I mean, I feel overwhelmed in the world that we're living in right now. And I can't imagine being a young person who's being overwhelmed by everything and the consequences of, like, a wrong move. I mean, the level of stress that I have as a parent of older kids now you really have to lay foundation as soon and as early as possible with these kids so that you can trust when they go out. You know, my kids are like, you don't trust me? And I'm like, no, I don't trust the world around you. Like, I know that you're gonna be a conscientious driver and da, da, da. But like, you make mistakes. Your brain's not developed. Like, there's nothing you like, I tell you. Yeah. Like you're not built for it yet, you know? And then we're like, go drive on the highway. Like, ah, it's in, it's. It's so nerve wracking as a parent because we understand the consequences because we have the experience.

[B]

Right. And now I just saw that you were talking to Jimmy Kimmel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

About having the talk.

[A]

The talk.

[B]

So talk about the responsibility of sending your kids out into the world. That is a very important talk.

[A]

I could talk about this all day, Kylie. I love it so much because I was a kid who had decent sex education growing up. And I also, we did a program called lamo, which was learning about myself and others. And we did it sort of through like Girl Scouts and like different church groups and stuff. And I had a mom who lived through the 60s and 70s. Okay. It was like they were, it was free love. They were all, you know, it was women's liberation and that meant birth control and the right to reproductive freedom and, you know, all this like, sense of yourself as a person who is going to be in intimate relationships. And I don't think we are doing young people. We're doing so dirty by young people right now. We're teaching them none of this stuff. You may not need the Pythagorean theorem when you're older. You might not need to know, you know, like the entire like chemical. Like you're, you're the physics of space, but you are Almost definitely like 99% of us are going to have sex. You're going to want to be paired up with somebody. You're going to want to have love and devotion and somebody who like, props you up. We pair up, right? We're humans, we need each other. And by the way, we have to procreate or like, it's over. So, like, we need people to have sex and we are giving young people zero tools right now. We are essentially saying porn exists on the Internet. Have fun. That's what they're learning.

[B]

Quick Google. Figure it out.

[A]

Quick Google. And we're not giving them any sense of how important it is to create boundaries for yourself and what a healthy relationship looks like. You know, I know I can tell you and Jason model such a beautiful relationship. You can just tell by the way you guys talk about your marriage and your family, which, you know, I'm so grateful for. An example, like, you guys and I, you know, in my life, my husband and I, we're very cognizant of. Like, our kids are watching everything. Like, what are we modeling? How are we doing it? What do we want them to take away? How do we want them to think about relationships and intimacy and love and. But you actually also have to have those conversations.

[B]

You want to raise them like, you know, in parenthood, that you've come to what you liked, that your parents did, what you didn't like, that your parents did, what you liked, that your friends have done for their kids, what your aunts did to your cousins. Like, all of those things. You've taken notes throughout your life, whether you realize it or not. And to open up the opportunity for conversations around those things that are just existing around them gives them the opportunity for you to give feedback and for you to guide them in a way that as parents were supposed to, like, obviously, they're going to be their own person, but we're supposed to help them along the way. Just a little bit of. Of guidance, keep them safe, help them feel loved, and keep them on their path. It's crazy to me to not talk about, like, just sex in general. I grew up in a very forward house. Like, it was lighthearted. My aunts would joke about it. We would be at, like, a family gathering. Everyone's joking around about this and that, and that one's hot, and I'm getting some ass tonight. And they're talking about their spouses. Positivity. Yeah, it was the most, like, no pressure, laid back. I knew that I could ask my mom anything under the sun and that she would answer it honestly.

[A]

Same.

[B]

It was the best. At some point, I think I've mentioned this before on the podcast, but at some point I went to my mom. I think I was like, 13. And I was like, mom, I'm gonna save myself for marriage. My mom looked at me and was like, you gotta test drive a car before you buy it. And I was like, got it. Thank you. And I like, obviously she wasn't saying it like, 13, go out and do it. She was just saying, like, I really respect that you think that that's what you're gonna do, but no one is going to shame you for choosing otherwise.

[A]

No one grows up and says, I wish I didn't know about those things. Right. Like, they're starving for information they want. And you want to be what I like to call their trusted adult. Right. You don't want them. You mean they're going to. And if I'm not your trusted adult, then do you have an aunt? Do you have a friend? Do you have a cousin? Do you have an uncle? Like, every kid needs a trusted adult where they can have these big. Going to have their big questions answered and feel safe asking and not feel shamed.

[B]

Yes. Now, the one thing that I have to ask you, our last question relates a little bit back to motherhood, because I like to ask all of my guests, who are moms on the show this question. What is the best piece of motherhood advice that you have ever received?

[A]

I really think it has something to do with when kids ask a question like, honor, where it's coming from. I think dismissing kids is one of. It's just, like, one of the worst things that you can do. I saw this maybe isn't advice, but it was something that I witnessed that I promised myself I would never do. I was flying across the country on an airplane on July 4th. I was coming from Los Angeles to New York. So I was flying into the sunset, and it was getting darker and darker, and suddenly out the window, you could see fireworks. Like, the fireworks celebrations that were starting across the country. It was incredible. And this little girl was sitting in the seat in front of me, and she turned to her father, who was in the middle seat and said, daddy, Daddy, I can see the fireworks down below. And he said, no, you can't. We're too far away to see the fireworks. I don't know what you're talking about. And I thought, how come you didn't even look your little girl, first of all, you just told her her reality is not real. She's having, like, a magical moment as I was having.

[B]

That literally makes me want to cry.

[A]

It made me want to cry, and it made me want to murder him. I was like, just a quick father I've ever fucking hurt. I was like, that is the worst thing I've ever heard. Like, I've heard men say bad things, but I was like, I took my breath away. I wanted to, like, touch her and be like, I see what you see.

[B]

That's where I would have been. That's where I have my. My lack of filter would have kicked in. I would have been like.

[A]

Like, no, I see those fireworks, too. Childhood is for whimsy and magic. Okay, yes. It's for innocence and whimsy and magic. You need to provide those things for your children because the world is going to take that away eventually. So give them the tooth fairy and give them the fireworks and give them their little whatever it is. Give them the music and the dancing and the love and the whimsy and the running through the field of flowers and the butterfly and like, that's what childhood is meant for.

[B]

That's so amazing because it could be the tiniest thing and it excites their soul or lights their fire in a way that if you can just acknowledge it. Well, thank you so much, Elizabeth, for coming on. I really appreciate it. You can go watch it all of the episodes of the Miniature Wife out now on Peacock. And I have to say it again just for good measure. Go birds.

[A]

Go birds.

[B]

Thank you so much. And that's it for this episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Elizabeth on my YouTube channel on more Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Follow us on social media at NGL with Kylie for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Not Gonna Lie is a wave original brought to you by Pull Up. Thanks again to the real ones for tuning in.