Kylie & Hilary Duff on SI Swimsuit Cover Tea, Home Birth Tell-All & Caught By The Paparazzi | Ep. 67

Summary

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Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce

Episode 67: Kylie & Hilary Duff on SI Swimsuit Cover Tea, Home Birth Tell-All & Caught By The Paparazzi
Released: May 14, 2026
Guest: Hilary Duff
Host: Kylie Kelce

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Not Gonna Lie" features a lively conversation between Kylie Kelce and pop culture icon Hilary Duff. The two discuss balancing motherhood with public life, body image, Hilary's appearance on the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit cover, 2000s fashion nostalgia, modern parenting, and home birth experiences. The episode is empowering, honest, and filled with both humor and candid moments of vulnerability.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Kylie’s Life Updates & Recent Events

• Webby Awards Win & Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue Teaser
  • Kylie recounts her experience at the Webby Awards accepting the Podcast of the Year (05:36-06:45).
  • Shares her five-word speech:
    “Women supporting women. Go Birds.” (06:37, Kylie)
  • Recaps attending the Eagles Autism Challenge, celebrating raising over $16 million and meeting Blippi.
  • Heartfelt appreciation for a young fan’s creative gift: a light-up "suck my ass" headband.

2. Parenting Anecdotes & Social Media Moments

• Doom Scroll Segment (14:53-19:15):
  • Kylie shares viral and relatable moments about parenting, including her kids’ funny misunderstandings with numbers and narrating home videos.
  • Discussion on how, despite her "no phones for kids" policy, her daughters find creative ways to vlog using her phone.
  • Kylie to her daughters:
    “Give me my phone back, Elliot. Ray, I need my phone back, please. Mine.” (19:15, Kylie)

3. Real One Comment of the Week

• What if Kylie's daughters dated someone from Dallas? (13:40)
  • Kylie jokes she hopes she’s raised her daughters better than to date a Cowboys fan.
  • She admits she’d mind more than Jason:
    “I’m hopeful that we have raised our children with an appropriate degree of disdain for the Dallas Cowboys.” (13:55, Kylie)

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Hilary Duff Interview (Begins 21:45)

1. Introducing Hilary Duff

• Kylie’s fangirl moment over "What Dreams Are Made Of" and its nostalgic power for her daughters.
  “The girls and I just watched the movie. The movie, the movie period. We have not stopped singing ‘This is what dreams are made of.’” (21:47, Kylie)

2. Being a Mom in the Spotlight

• Hilary shares the surreal feeling of her kids singing her teen pop songs.
  “I also feel slightly embarrassed that my children like, sing my teenage-hood songs.” (23:06, Hilary)
• The kids love her new album, too, and Hilary values their reactions as feedback.

3. Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Cover Experience

• Hilary reveals her first reaction:
  “Shit. I gotta get in, like, rip-roaring shape...I’m not a model. I’m 5'2". I’ve had four kids.” (24:35, Hilary)
• She felt empowered, working with a female-led team, and proud to represent mothers:
  “There’s so much power in that...my body’s worked really hard for me and produced an entire family.” (27:22, Hilary)
• Kylie:
  “It’s unbelievably empowering just to see that you not only said yes to this, but look phenomenal. You nailed this. You nailed it.” (26:50, Kylie)

4. Body Image and Postpartum Confidence

• Both discuss body image across multiple pregnancies, being honest about the struggle to "bounce back."
• Hilary:
  “It’s never been easy. No pregnancy...I love the outcome of it, but hate being pregnant.” (28:27, Hilary)
• Kylie on postpartum wardrobe struggles:
  “One of the hardest things I’ve done in my life is try to get dressed postpartum.” (29:47, Kylie)

5. Comparing Mom-Life Notes

• Both share about the physical realities of pregnancy and motherhood, differences by height (Kylie is 5’11’’ vs. Hilary at 5’2”) and number of pregnancies.
• Discussion about gender disappointment, loving their kids’ personalities, and the importance of recognizing each as individuals.

6. Hilary's New Music & Tour

• Hilary is excited to put out her new album "Luck or Something" and embark on her first world tour in 18 years.
• Kylie’s favorite tracks: "Roommates" and "Mature."
• Hilary’s favorites: “Weather for Tennis” and “Adult Size Medium.”
  “It’s really an authentic, open book…it was so fun to create…” (36:02, Hilary)
• Why re-record old hits like "Come Clean"?
  “…the whole Taylor [Swift] of it all really set the bar…If I’m going to sing these songs, I want it to feel and sound like me.” (44:22, Hilary)

7. 2000s Pop & Fashion Throwbacks

• Hilary talks about feeling like the "kid sister" among pop greats like Britney, Christina, Kelly Clarkson.
• Reflects on her Y2K fashion evolution—denim, dress over pants, excessive accessories:
  “Honestly, capri pants are so back right now. It’s crazy.” (48:55, Hilary)
• Laughs over capris making a comeback and Kylie’s tall girl jeans struggles.
• Kylie credits Hilary for paving the way for Gen Z/Alpha fashion:
  “Hilary walked so you could run.” (48:38, Kylie)

8. Gen Alpha Slang & Parenting Teens (53:08)

• Hilary’s on-the-fly lesson on “getting clipped” (FaceTime screenshot embarrassment).
• Kylie shares her coaching badge of honor at being called "Unk" by her athletes.
• Both marvel at navigating modern slang and technology with kids and teens.

9. Home Birth Tell-All (58:30)

• Kylie admits she could never have a home birth (“You couldn’t pay me…”), Hilary has had them.
• Hilary explains how the pool arrives and clarifies it's a special birth pool, not a family kiddie pool.
• Humorous comparison:
  Kylie: “What is harder, childbirth or getting through all the Hot Ones wings?” (58:30)
  Hilary: “The home birth was much harder.”* (60:36, Hilary)

10. Hilary’s Motherhood Advice (62:44)

• “Not getting trapped in the one-size-fits-all model…figuring out what your kids’ love language is and giving them little hits of that…” (63:11, Hilary)
• Get on their level—literally:
  “When things are really hard…just getting down on their level and being face to face…I think calms you down because you realize how small they are…” (64:17, Hilary)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On authenticity (award presentation):
  “You have the wit of a comic, the passion of an athlete, and the authenticity of a mother.” –Gerard Carmichael (05:36)
• On women supporting women:
  “Who else is going to support us but women? Also great men, but women. Come on.” (06:44, Kylie)
• On postpartum body changes:
  “Once you become a mom…your body did what it did. It’s not going to be exactly the same way that it was ever again.” (26:50, Kylie)
• On parenting realities:
  “Life with kids is wildly unpredictable…being able to offload a few to-dos and give a little more time…is huge.” (20:45, Kylie)
• On 2000s fashion: “Capri pants are so back right now…Lizzie McGuire did the capri pants all the time…” (48:55, Hilary)
• On growing with her fanbase:
  “For the people I'm really trying to talk to are all of the people…who have shown up for this record and made this moment what it has become, which is really beyond my wildest dreams.” (38:14, Hilary)

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Important Timestamps

• Webby Awards Story: 05:36–06:44
• Eagles Autism Challenge/ Blippi Meeting: 06:44–12:00
• Parenting Segment/ Fan Headband: 12:00–13:40
• Real One Comment — Dallas Dilemma: 13:40–14:53
• Doom Scroll Parenting Laughs: 14:53–19:15
• Hilary Duff Interview Starts: 21:45
  • SI Swimsuit Discussion: 24:25–29:00
  • Body Image Talk: 28:18–31:27
  • Music & Touring: 36:02–38:14, 42:36–44:06
  • Throwback Pop, Fashion, Slang: 44:06–55:18
  • Home Birth Details: 58:30–61:26
  • Hilary’s Parenting Advice: 62:44–64:48

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For extra content and extended interviews, check @NGLwithKylie on social and Kylie’s YouTube channel.

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Transcript

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[A]

Not gonna lie if when you hear the phrase women supporting women, you say why? Yeah, this podcast isn't meant for you so disrespectfully. Fuck off. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie Wave. Original brought to you by Amazon Pets. Amazon pet days are back. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I may or may not have seen a UFO recently. I'm being dead serious. I don't want to elaborate because I'm still a little confused about it and not 100% sure that people aren't yanking my chain. I just played a solid cat prank on my husband. Did I use AI to create a photo of our living room with a cat on the back of the couch? Yes, I did. Do I use AI for anything else? No, that was it. That's all I needed him for. And this past week I was caught by the paparazzi. What was I doing? Oh, yes, specifically the Galesburg, Illinois paparazzi. A real ruthless group. There I am. That's me. That's me. And Victor and Judy come for pancakes. You know, not yet. You should go. No, wait to watch the fafo. But we went to Judy's cafe and luckily we took a camera crew. That FAFO episode doesn't come out for another two months, so you're going to have to be patient. What I will say is if you are in the area, the Berry Medley pancakes. Nope. I'm not going to tell you any details, but my Instagram story was explanation enough. And for our audio listeners, I was part of the clean plate club. We also shot another fafo, literally yesterday. You're gonna see that one in two weeks. Did I tease that one on My story too, maybe. Is Queen Ma happy about it? No. I will give you a hint though, if you didn't see my Instagram story, it's the goat of women's golf. Well, now that we've addressed that. Coming up on today's episode, I had some business being at the Eagles Autism Challenge, where not only did we raise a record amount of money, we also received the greatest fan gift ever. I'm going to respond to a real one question about what I do if my girls ever dated someone from Dallas. What? And then we've got a stacked doom scroll. After that, I got to sit down with an absolute icon to talk about her Sports illustrated swimsuit cover, 2000s fashion, and of course, what dreams are made of. That's right, it's Hilary Duff. But before we get into any of that, let's start with a place Kylie has no business being. This week, I had no business being on stage at the Webby Awards accepting the Podcast of the Year award for ngo. Let me explain. Let's do the Spark Notes version of this. First of all, yes, I do have a hair tie on my wrist. Did I remember to take it off before the red carpet? Absolutely not. Am I wearing open toed shoes? Do not zoom in on the dogs. Yes, I am. Should I have been? No, I shouldn't have been. But those are the shoes I brought and I didn't know what I was wearing when I left the house that morning. The hair. I did it. It was fine from the front. Did it look good from the back? We may never know because I made out a point to not turn my back to anyone. And would I ever wear this outfit again as long as I'm not near my children? Why, you might ask? Because it's an ivory suit, people. I would get within a mile of my children and somehow end up with ketchup on the sleeve. I said yes to accepting this award because it was Podcast of the year, meaning that it was not about me, the host. It was about the podcast as a whole. And I said this on another. Another episode. And I mean it wholeheartedly. And I want this to be abundantly clear. The team that we have working on NGL is outstanding. So this award was an opportunity to acknowledge the team as a whole. Queen Emma has the clip here of my friend and former NGL guest Gerard Carmichael presenting me the award.

[C]

My problem with the wor authenticity is that even liars can say it. Like anyone can use the word and not mean it or not live up to it, Kylie. From the moment that I met you. I remember kind of saying hi, like a. In an octave higher than my natural speaking voice. Just like, just like hey. And everything about your eyes and your presence and your voice said, you don't have to do this. And I was a guest on Not Gonna Lie, her podcast. Yes. And I really, I felt that, you know, just being with you, being around you, listening to you, you're absolutely incredible. You made me feel like family, which is so, you know, you have, I'll say, like the wit of a comic, the passion of an athlete, and the authenticity of a mother. And it's with great pleasure that I get to present the award for podcast of the year to Kylie Kelsey for not gonna lie.

[A]

He was way too kind in his explanation and his presentation of the award. I absolutely love getting to run into Drawd. He really is like a warm light. He. It's lovely. The Webbies ask that you make a five word speech. That's the move for the Webbies. My five words were women supporting women. Go Birds. We also considered fuck around and find out. You know, I love that. The reason I didn't go with around and find out was because we were actually. I was the first person to give a speech and I was like, do we. Do we do the shot out of a cannon thing? No, let's make it. Let's make it count. Let's say meaningful shit. And also, Queen Emma couldn't be with us there that night, and she had mentioned earlier in the day that she was thinking about it for a while and that she thought women supporting women in Go Birds was a great pairing. So a little nod to Queen Emma. You know, the response to that being my speech has been overwhelmingly positive because, duh, there's always a couple haters. You know, some people just really enjoy being negative. Nancy's the end of the day. I know that I'm not spouting off hateful, so I truly want to make sure that women feel supported. And who else is going to support us but women? Also great men, but women. Come on. I won't be getting on any of the red carpets next. I feel like we might as well check out the places. Kylie has some business being brought to you this week by Amazon Pets. Check out deals on pet essentials you'll love this week during Amazon Pet Days, like these blue Buffalo training treats. The deal event ends tomorrow, so don't miss out places. Kylie has some business being. Well, this weekend I definitely had some business attending the Eagles Autism Challenge. We raised over $16 million. That's insane. The cool thing about the $16 million, and I always love to emphasize this, is that all of that 16 million. So the 16 million is fundraised donated dollars. Every dollar donated to the Eagles Autism foundation goes directly back into the autism community through research and programs. I also got an opportunity to meet Blippi at the Eagles Autism Challenge. Look at us. I got to meet Blippi. Let me tell you, Blippi was lovely. Now that's coming from someone who has, on this very show, stated that we are not a Blippi household. Am I second guessing myself? Yes, I am. Because Blippi was wonderful. And it was so cool that Blippi came. He not only participated, but he also performed. Did you know Blippi has songs? Something about an excavator. I don't know. Yeah, you guys. A lot of you guys know. I think the girls met Blippi, which was funny to me because Wyatt was hard pressed about meeting him and I was like, girl, we don't even watch him. What's your. What's your deal? But she met him. They were all very excited to speak to him, and he was very nice. The girls also got to run into Swoop. The crazy part. Nobody cried. There wasn't a single tear shed about Swoop. And I looked at Swoop and I said, swoop. Nobody's yelling or crying. That's growth. I also met a real one who gave me perhaps the best fan gift ever. Queen Emma, can you play this clip, please? That's Billy. That's. That's my friend Billy. I knew the minute I saw a rainbow on that headband. Look at this headband, guys. It. It had lights. You can hear me asking someone if they read yet. There was a small girl standing in front of me who was standing staring at me while I was putting on my light up suck my ass headband. And I just wanted to make sure that she couldn't read it, so I confirmed. Dad nodded. She could not read my headband. This is Lily. Lily made me this headband. It was the best fan gift that I have received. I think that it is. It speaks for itself. Lily understood the assignment. She understood what would speak to my soul. And it was a headband that lights up that says suck my ass. That's it for places. 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I'm going to be honest, this thought has not crossed my mind. Why? I'm hoping that I've raised my children better than that. I'm sure there are people from Dallas, Texas who are not Dallas fans, so I would consider that a possibility. I don't have a problem with. I don't necessarily have a problem with Dallas, the place, although I don't plan on ever visiting. I genuinely cannot wrap my head around the idea of one of our children bringing home a significant other and saying, well, they're a Cowboys fan. Nope, can't do it. Queen Elmo would also like to know who's going to have a bigger problem with this, Jason or me. It's me. Jason will be the person that's like, you know what? He seems like a good guy. They seem like a great person. I don't give a fuck. I'm hopeful that we have raised our children with an appropriate degree of disdain for the Dallas Cowboys. That's it. For real? One comment. Now let's get to Doom scroll the week Brought to you by DoorDash first up, this little girl shared the address for a birthday party with her mom. And frankly, I'm not sure what's so confusing about this. Perfect invite.

[B]

So this is the address to your friend's birthday party.

[A]

For audio listeners, it is a post it note with a line and a house drawn on a hill. That is amazing. We also got a part two because she was able to track down the phone number. Thank God. Goodness. So we got the time of the party, right? Uh huh.

[B]

What time is it?

[A]

At 50. And then of course got the phone number. Two zero. Perfect. How do we break it to mom that I'm pretty sure it's an imaginary friend? The number of times that my girls have been hell bent on the fact that they are correct. Specifically, Wyatt recently was trying to tell me that there was something happening at her school and that I needed to be there by 50 o', clock, which apparently is the theme. Was it 50 or 15? Does it really matter? I remember saying to her, are you sure that it's 15? I said, I think that it is 9:30. And she said, no, Mom, I know it's 15 o'. Clock. How am I supposed to argue with that? When it comes to mixing up numbers, Wyatt is just starting. She can sound out words now and it's exciting and terrifying at the same time because I have a lot of things that, I mean, I have. I'm looking across the room at a pillow right now in this office. Now this office is not a place that kids frequent, but I have a pillow that I'm looking at that says what? And I cannot stress this enough. The that's what the pillow says. The numbers don't seem to be improving for a long time. Jason's Jersey number was 60 number two. That's it. That and there was no. I would be like, oh, dad's. What number is that? 60 number two. Okay. I love this. And I love the confidence from the back seat when the mom's like, this is her number. And she's like, yeah, what time is the party? 50. Yeah, it is. Hell yeah. Next up, the text on the screen says I was feeling sick and taking a nap outside when my daughter came to check on me. But really she grabbed my phone and started vlogging.

[B]

This is mommy and she's having a good time. She's just having a little nap on there outside. And it's a good day. It's really Warm. There's the willow and there's lots of lantern bugs. And she's a good girl

[A]

and she

[B]

likes to climb trees, but she's sick and she has her water in case if she gets thirsty.

[A]

First of all, the fact that you get to have that video forever and ever and hear her little voice describing everything going on is perfect. Don't you ever let that video go anywhere. Because that's the kind of thing that you'll listen to in five years and be like, why doesn't your voice sound like a little baby anymore? My favorite part of this video is when she calls her mom a good girl. I love that so much. I don't know if it's a dog thing or the fact that our entire house is girls. Typically, some of our girls first words have been good girl. So I just have this like sweet spot for a little kid going, she's a good girl. I do have quite a few videos on my phone where the girls have tried to vlog or narrate what is going on. It typically involves them recording one of their sisters and it usually takes a turn. At first it's really nice.

[B]

Go, my name's Elle.

[A]

And then farts. Poop. Diarrhea. Pooping. The girls aren't actually allowed to play with phones. That's one of the rules in our house is that kids do not have phones. So it happens. The best part is, is that the vlogged air quotes, vlogged videos that I have on my phone are often in a whisper or end with me saying, give me my phone back, please. I'd like my phone back, please. Elliot. Ray, I need my phone back, please. Mine. That's how almost every single one ends. And that does it for doom. Scroll the week brought to you by DoorDash. Coming up, I'm about to be joined by Hilary Duff right after these messages from me. Being a person is tough enough these days, let alone being a parent. That's why I use DoorDash. Because when life gets crazy, doordash helps bring some order to it. My phone is out because my ADHD kicked in and now we're on doordash ordering bundt cakes. Because it's Wednesday, it's hump day, and a bundt cake looks like a hump. So we're celebrating hump day with bundt cakes off a doordash. I'm door dashing bundt cakes. Sometimes you just gotta bring the vibe up. You gotta sweeten the day a little bit. Okay? Don't deny yourself cravings. Go to doordash and just get the bundt cakes, you know what I mean? Real life needs real relief. That's why doordash is there for whatever you need or want whenever you need it. Life with kids is wildly unpredictable. No matter how much parents try to plan, there's always going to be chaos. Being able to offload a few to dos and give a little more time to focus on yourself and your family is huge. We all know that life gets crazy. Doordash just helps bring a little order to it. Order now. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. That's smart. Not checking the weather before heading to the football game. Hey, who doesn't love a good parking lot purchase poncho in the rain. Speaking from experience. Yeah, checking first is smart. So check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions and availability. All state North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. She's the multi platinum global superstar who just put out her new album, Luck or something. She's also given us the all time classics, Come Clean, what Dreams Are Made Of. And so yesterday she's about to go on a world tour for the first time in 18 years. She's also a fellow mom of four. And now she's not going to lie. Hillary Duff, welcome to the show.

[B]

Hi, how are you?

[A]

I am so excited to talk to you. I have to get it out of the way first. The girls and I just watched the movie. The movie, the movie period. We have not stopped singing. This is what dreams are made of. And they enjoy. And I. It was my six and my five year old who are really into it. My three year old stands on the things in the living room and pretends that she's on stage. Yeah. But still slaps. Love.

[B]

Love. You're like, I can also enjoy this. My good. My best friend's daughter is. She's three and she is like they live in New York and she just at the like public playground is just screaming at the top of her lungs, like influencing all of these children. She's like, this is the way, come this way.

[A]

Let me introduce you to a little.

[B]

Yeah, that's like amazing. But I also have plenty of kids at home that also enjoy and love watching that. That I'm like, can I escape anywhere? Can I escape anywhere?

[A]

Do your own children, have they seen this? Do they watch it?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. My husband thought it was really funny to introduce them and I was like, thank you.

[A]

Do you think it's funny?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, you know, now I'm in cycle with, like, my record and my tour, and I've been singing it for the first time ever, really, and so I'm having fun. But, you know, I also, you know, I also feel like, slightly embarrassed that my children, like, sing my teenage hood songs.

[A]

I can only imagine.

[B]

I mean, it's such a good song, though. Honestly, it's so good.

[A]

How do your kids feel about the new songs?

[B]

They love the new songs. Yeah, they love the new album. They. I feel like they're the best anr crew around. They know their favorites, they request often and, you know, I've had to listen to it so much, obviously mixing the record and, and, and, you know, just from start to finish, like, they. I feel like they've been involved in it and that feels really special. I'm grateful that they don't really care about lyrics because I don't want to have to answer all those questions.

[A]

I thought the lyrics in question were outstanding and very well done. Thank you so much. We'll come back to the music, but because right now I gotta talk to you about this Sports Illustrated swimsuit cover.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Well done.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

First of all, what was your reaction to hearing that you got the COVID

[B]

I was driving to pick my kids up from school and my first reaction wasn't like, oh, my God, yes, I'll do it. My first reaction was like, shit. I thought it getting like, rip roaring shape, you know, like, that is. That was my first. And I'm also like, I'm not a model. Like, I'm five, two. I'm, you know, I've had four kids. Like, it's.

[A]

These photos suggest otherwise. Hillary, they seriously do well.

[B]

Thank you so much. And honestly, it was a huge, like, honor and challenge and all the things I like. So, you know, when I heard that they are like, it's mostly like female ran over there now, like, all. It's the. The photographer was like, who I wanted. The editor in chief is like, incredible. It got to be my whole styling team, my hair and makeup. Like, they wanted me to feel my best. And I was like, I will do this. This is fun. I flew to Turks and Caicos for a day the night of the super bowl and was in South Caicos in this, like, beautiful resort. And we shot and then I was like, out of there for my shows in Vegas. So it was kind of like this whirlwind thing where you're like, we're in a sandbar in the middle of the Ocean for, like, a blink of time. And, you know, I did. I felt like. So I felt really free doing that. I mean, I have also been naked on the COVID of a magazine, so that was a little more scary. But I had the time. And I think that, you know, at this stage in my life, I feel really proud of myself. And to be asked to be, like, on the swimsuit edition was a big deal.

[A]

I can't explain to you how cool it is to see a fellow mother of four on the COVID of a magazine like this, because it is, like, this, like, vision of beauty and sort of, like, this sexy. Like, I have it. And I'm not gonna say still have it, because I think, like, you have it no matter what, as long as you feel like you have it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It is so special to see someone who has four kids, because I think that we talk about it all the time on the show about, like, the term bounce back and how it's just not right. Because once you become a mom, it's different. Right. Like, your body did what it did. It's not going to be exactly the same way that it was ever again. Yeah. And so I find it to be unbelievably empowering just to see that you not only said yes to this, but look phenomenal. You nailed this. You nailed it.

[B]

Thank you so much. It was great to, you know, have conversations. Conversations with them and be like, hey, I'm not going to wear a bikini. Like, I have had four kids. This is. I feel comfortable showing this. I feel comfortable showing this. I don't feel comfortable showing this. And they're like, got it, got it, got it. You know, and, like, that. There's so much power in that. Like, I am so proud of my body. Obviously, you know, I've worked really hard, but my body's worked really hard for me and produced an entire family, you know, that I'm so, like, so grateful for. That's where, like, that's everything to me. But to, you know, show other women and to, you know, to hear even. Even to go back to the phrase, like, oh, you still got it. Like, it's crazy how many people come up to me and they're like, oh, my God, Val, you look so good. And I'm like, I'm not even 40. Like, I. I know you've known me forever, but, like, I'm 38, and, like, a lot of people haven't even had their first kid yet.

[A]

Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Over your four pregnancies. Has your idea of body image and body confidence Changed.

[B]

It's never been easy. No pregnancy. Not a single one of my pregnancies have I ever just been like, oh, my God, I love this. Like, I don't love it. I love the outcome of it. And, of course, there's a means to an end, right? Yes, it's a means to an end. Of course there's sweet, you know, things that come up, sweet memories attached to it. A lot of power that's attached to it. Like, there's growth and, you know, all of that stuff. I love that ride. Hate being pregnant. Hate having something in my body. Like, it's. It's just. It's. It's. It's. It's crazy. And then, you know, kind of like what you're left with afterwards and how long that whole thing takes and the pressure on you and, like, it's all so consuming. And then, of course, like, I've done it four times, so, like, it's all worth it. But I think each time I've been pregnant and, like, kind of gotten to the other side, and I don't mean that in a negative way, but just, like, where you're, like, feel like a person again and your clothes start to fit and. And all of that, you're like, oh, I recognize that thing. And that's happening to me right now. And I'm just like, a little more. There's a little bit more ease around those question marks or the feelings that come along with, like, pregnancy or the aftermath.

[A]

I still think one of the hardest things that I've done in my life is try to get dressed postpartum when you have somewhere. The first time you have somewhere to go the first time you have something to get dressed for.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And all of a sudden you, like, go to slip on, like, maybe you're like, jeans that. You're like, nah, these. These girls, they got my back. And all of a sudden you're like, why won't this button close?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you.

[B]

It's so hard.

[A]

It's so hard. And I think.

[B]

So you're used to having, like, a giant belly. So once, yes, that giant belly's down, but, like, the rest of you isn't down.

[A]

You're like, yes. What are we doing? Like, hey, guys.

[B]

That sucks.

[A]

Hey, belly. Can you tell my thighs?

[B]

A man could never deal with this. Not one day ever.

[A]

No. Well, the. The hard part, I truly think, is that you end up, like, as women. And I don't know how your experience was before you had children, but I think we fight the good fight to feel good. About ourselves, to not compare ourselves to others, to try and not focus on the numbers on the scale or to try and focus on the number on the clothing that we're buying or wearing. And so to then end up in, like, a. Okay, I'm a woman, and I'm in this situation, and now I feel decent about myself, and I'm not worried about the number in my pants. And then all of a sudden, you get pregnant, and you're like, this body is not my body. This body belongs to this being inside of me. And I do think that having four your second is easier because you're like, oh, I know that I'm gonna do this, this, and this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And your third is easier because you're like, I did this twice.

[B]

And then how's the fourth for you?

[A]

I'm like, I. I could do. I feel like I could do it with my eyes closed. I'm like, I could map it out. Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that for me, at the. By the. By my third trimester of my fourth, I was in. My body for the first time of being pregnant was, like, in a lot of pain. I think my body was like, we don't need to do this again. Like, I can't keep up with three kids and be as, like, active and running around with them and climbing up in the top bunk and down and, you know, on my feet all day. And, like, I just. My body was like, we're done with.

[A]

This is like, hey, can you sit down?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, sit down. Huh?

[A]

Now, being you said you're five two.

[B]

Yeah, almost five three, actually. The doctor was like, you know, you're almost five three. And I was like, that is such a win to know at this age. Life. I pulled everyone my whole life. I'd buy two. I might as well be five three now.

[A]

How did you carry your pregnancies? Like, were you just. Did your belly just go, like, straight out? Were you basically, like, all belly? Because there's nowhere else to go? Because I used to explain to people that, like, people would. I'd be very. I'm 5 11. I would be very, like, pretty far along. And people would be like, oh, my gosh. You don't even look pregnant. I'm like, do you know how much torso I have to hide it?

[B]

Right? Like, yes, there's.

[A]

So there's no space to hide.

[B]

There's no hiding. There's no hiding in this. In this torso zone.

[A]

I asked because my mom is 5:2. How is that possible?

[B]

Is your dad a giant?

[A]

He's six Foot nine.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

My mom talks about how she couldn't touch her belly button when she was

[B]

pregnant with me because her belly was so big.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The poor girl.

[A]

I know. I apologize frequently.

[B]

I could touch my belly button, but I did. I got quite large every pregnancy. I forget. It was one where I kind of held it together for a while, but then I didn't. I get. I have, like, really big bellies. I don't.

[A]

I carried differently every single pregnancy. You did every single pregnancy. My second pregnancy, I worked out. I was like a new human being. I was like, this is the best thing ever. My third. You could not have pried my ass off the couch with a crowbar.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I couldn't do it. I don't know what it was. I felt. This isn't the easiest that I've ever felt in my life.

[B]

Wow. I worked out with every pregnancy. I feel like that didn't. Even though I worked out, I feel like it didn't change, like, how much weight I gained. Like, it was just. It was just a nice thing I did for my body to work out in my brain.

[A]

Yes. And it was inevitable. It was. We're supposed to carry our babies the way we carry them. And that's.

[B]

That's. Yeah.

[A]

Did the donuts help me? Probably not, but she wanted them. Who was I to stop her?

[B]

What is your. What do you have all girls? Oh, my God. You have all girls?

[A]

Yes. I mean, we're close to you. You have three girls, one boy.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. You have all. Did you ever cry when you found out, like, what you were having?

[A]

My second. I sobbed.

[B]

You?

[A]

Yeah. And we've talked on the show about gender disappointment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I think it's real. I think no matter what, you have this, like, gut feeling about what you have. And if your doctor tells you that it's the opposite, like, you have some degree of disappointment. I. When we found out we were having our fourth girl, I was relieved because I was like, if we're having four kids, it feels good that they're all the same gender. But then I got sad afterwards because I thought to myself, I'm never going to meet a mini version version of my husband. And that made me a little sad. Turns out we actually made four of them. They're just girls.

[B]

That's amazing. That's amazing.

[A]

Now I'm gonna. I'm gonna get us back to. Because I. We need to talk about this music tour, your new music and your tour. Because I am so excited about this. I mentioned it in your Intro. But you've got a new album, which is amazing. Roommates and Mature are. I kept going on replay because they're just. They're a good vibe. They feel good. And also I love the little. The little hints in there. I love a little scandalous hint. I do. I love it. Now, do you have a favorite song from the album? This is one of my favorite questions to ask people about new albums, because then it helps me deep dive songs that I maybe have not gotten deep enough into yet.

[B]

Okay. I love Weather for Tennis, and I love Adult Size Medium. I think those are kind of, like, not as, like, obvious of us. I also love Holiday Party. I don't. There's like, a whole bunch of songs that I feel, like, obviously Mature was, like, the first song I came out with to kind of, like, reintroduce, like, the. The sound. And then, you know, and then I think there's, like, some obvious ones. When you listen, you're like, oh, that's. That's, like, sticky. Like, weather for Tennis, like, feels super sticky to me. Roommates. I just, like, live for what it's about and who it's speaking to. And like, when I. When I went to make this record, I was like, obviously, I'm a mom. I'm a mom of four. And I'm. I know my fans and I have gone through, like, such similar life experiences or. Sorry, not my fans, just people my age. Right. Like, we've. We're here, We've arrived. Like, here are some of the themes I'm dealing with. How about you? Anyway, there's. There's so many songs I love on the record. It's like, really, really a authentic, like, open book. And it was so fun to create and just kind of, like, pour a whole bunch of my personality that people haven't, you know, seen in a long time into it.

[A]

It's. It's very refreshing to get to listen to music that, like, you're saying is current for you, like, life experience. Because it is, like, the fans that have grown up with you alongside you, like, not only a fan, but appear like you're talking about, like, that we're similar ages and that we're hitting the same phases of life and experiences. So to hear that from you on this album, it feels, first of all, validating. And second, like, it's an easy listen and a comforting listen because it's so relatable to current life. And I think that that's why the, like. Like I mentioned before, the comments of people saying, like, well, this isn't meant for children. Well, you're not in your childhood years anymore.

[B]

Yeah, you're now raising children. You know, for, for, for the people who I'm really trying to talk to are all of the people who have shown up for this record and made this moment what it has become, which is really beyond my wildest dreams. You know, I feel so lucky that I got to, you know, play Lizzie McGuire and have that, that moment in my youth. And for some reason, like, lightning struck and I got to tap people in like a very important way, you know, in a way that, that struck them and was, you know, important for them in their life. And then, you know, come back around and really just be very genuine about like my approach and then have them relate to that too and, and be seen on this level at this age. It's incredibly like, healing for me to be like, I got to do it again. And I get to be me. Fully me.

[A]

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[A]

Winter is so last season and now spring's got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch.

[B]

Done.

[A]

Hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope. It's time for a little in person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic now. You're going on tour very soon. Is there anything that you can reveal about the Lucky Me tour? Specifically the Philly show?

[B]

Wait, is there a Philly show? I'm just kidding. Yes, I'm. I actually love, love being in Phil. I love everywhere. I love New York, but I love everywhere. Like around New York. Like I just east coast for me is so much fun to visit.

[A]

And are you just saying that because you're talking to me?

[B]

No, I mean it. I mean, I have family in Boston. I don't know if those are like big competitors, but I love Philly. I love Boston, I love New York. I feel like they're, they're great, enthusiastic cities. And what can people expect? I mean, you know, it's been really fun to like, dig into my catalog and find like the songs that really resonated with me when I performed them when I was young and bring them back out and like revamp them a little bit so people can expect like the old and the new and to like, come and have a great, like, carefree night. There'll be lots of color, there'll be, you know, some surprises. I'm like, how do I tease this? Rehearsals. Rehearsals start like this this week and there's a lot of like, surprises in store. So I'm. I'm super excited. I haven't done this in fucking forever. So it's. I'm gonna try to get a lot of sleep while I'm on the road and show up the best that I can. But the shows that I've done so far have felt so good and just like went by in the blink of an eye.

[A]

Now I'd also like to talk to you a little bit about some throwback stuff if that's okay with you. I know you just released a re recorded version of Come Clean. What made you want to re record some of your earlier stuff?

[B]

Oh my gosh. Well, I gotta be honest with you. The whole tailor of it all really set. Set the bar for being like, no, here's how we're gonna do this. Here's how this is gonna go.

[A]

No, it's mine.

[B]

No, it's mine. I actually called my versions mine. And. And then I think the other reason was like, I recorded those songs when I was like 14 years old. Like I had not a clue what I was doing. I had no technique. I didn't. You know, the Internet loves to remind me of this. And I think that I was just like, I am such a different person now if I'm gonna sing these songs. Like, I want it to feel and sound like me. And you know, I still very much sound like young, but there it was just like time. It was so funny too to go back and like really try to get some of those sounds. I felt so bad. Brian, my producer, was like, I really think trying to figure this one out. Like the times were so different that the, the interesting use of like percussion or like, like it was just very not what it is today.

[A]

Now, bringing up that time, you were on the top of the charts with your. Some of your first album alongside huge names like Kelly Clarkson, Brittany, Christina. Did your paths ever cross with those singers and Were there ever times where you feel. Felt starstruck or was it really a moment of, like, that those are your peers and that you guys are. Are equals?

[B]

Oh, my God. I never felt equal to any of, like, the pop greats because I feel like I was slightly younger than all of them. And also I just was like a little Disney star. Like, I never, you know, like, Christina and Britney were, like, on a whole nother planet than me. And I remember. I think I was. I can't remember what award show it was, but I was performing at the award show. And I remember during the set, I might have been singing, like, so yesterday or something, and just like, looking, like, looking up and, like, locking eyes with Christine Aguilera and being like, oh, my God, just like, I'm not okay. But yeah, no, I think I. I think I maybe always felt like kid sister. Does that make sense?

[A]

It does. Especially because of the. The age gap now. Speaking of pop icons, when I had Mandy Moore on the show, we talked a little bit about 2000s fashion. I believe she had some blonde eyebrows and a lot of choker necklaces. But you had some iconic outfits too. And I'm looking at a decent amount of denim.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

A dress over pants.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Also, should we just talk about the, like, amount of accessorizing? I mean, it's still a lot, but the. The endless accessories was really my staple.

[A]

Loved it. I loved it. I will also tell you, I do think that you absolutely nailed. And I. So I still coach high school field hockey, and I love to remind the girls that I coach now when they are hitting these, like, new fashion trends. I'm like, nope, we did that. Nope, we did that. Nope, we had that first. Like, I still remember in, like, third grade wearing the biker shorts. We did biker shorts first.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I try to remind them of that to keep them humble. The low rise pants that are coming back now with just, like a hint of the bottom of your stomach showing. Like, not belly button, not crop top, just the bottom of your belly. You nailed that look so hard back then. You nailed it so hard.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

I have. I have visual proof in our rundown. You nailed that. And so I would just like to acknowledge the young women who are listening. Hillary walked so you could run.

[B]

Thank you so much. Thank you.

[A]

Appreciate that. Yes. Did you have a favorite look besides your accessories? Or maybe it is your accessories. Did you have a favorite thing from that era of fashion?

[B]

Honestly, capri pants are so back right now. It's crazy. I don't know if I'M willing to do it. Like, I think my shape is just not conducive for that anymore. Like, but like, Lizzie McGuire wore. She was like, she did the capri pants all the time with the little, like, slit on the side at the knee. And I'm seeing them everywhere now. My stylist Nilo tried to get me to wear a pair with, like, a corset. And I put it. I was laughing. I was hysterically laughing trying to get in them. And it was like, a hard outfit to get in because it was like a full lace that, like, corset. And honestly, I looked in the mirror and I was like, wait, I look so cool.

[A]

Do I like this?

[B]

Yeah. But then I was like, I can't. I can't take this seriously. Like, I just. You know when you get the giggles and you can't stop laughing? Every time I look in the mirror, I was like, I can't. I can't. But I think that, honestly, like, that was. That was a big me thing. And now it's back.

[A]

I will say the capris coming back actually helps me out a lot because I can't. Because you're so many times. I can't tell you how many times I order a regular length pant and it comes and it looks like a flood is on its way. And I'm prepared because the whole ankle is out. We're talking up to the calf. Like a true Capri. If I get a cropped. If I get a regular jean and it is cropped style.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Close to my, like, right under my knee. It's bad. It's. But apparently it's good now.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Honestly, I'm actually fine, Haley.

[B]

You seem like Haley Bieber's wearing capri pants all over the place. It's your time.

[A]

I mean, here's the thing. You're going to have to pry my sweatpants from my cold, dead hands.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I know hard pants and I don't really get along.

[B]

Really. See, I feel like when I'm. When I get the baby out of my body, like, that's what I want. I just want to put my jeans back on. I want them to fit. I'm such a jeans girl.

[A]

Can you coach me up on that? Because maybe I just. I will say, years ago, I went through a month long where I was, like, ordering every. It was actually after my second child, I ordered so many freaking pairs of jeans to try on in the privacy of my own home.

[B]

Yeah, that's the way to do it.

[A]

It was countless. But I Could not. I still haven't found ones. Well, I had one pair.

[B]

One single pair of jeans, let me tell you.

[A]

I had one pair of jeans and her. And I like this.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

But then also, my thighs are like this, so I wore a little. I wore them. They were the only jeans I would wear, and I wore right next to the seam on the inner thigh. And they're no longer.

[B]

You couldn't get them repaired?

[A]

I don't think so. My thighs love each other.

[B]

They're like, we are meant to be besties.

[A]

Who am I? Who am I to separate them, you know? But those. Those were the only jeans where I was like, I'd wear these every day.

[B]

What was the brand?

[A]

I'd love to tell you I'm a real.

[B]

A Goldie girl right now, but I have no idea if that works for tall girls. That.

[A]

How you say. Say that?

[B]

Oh, my God. Is it not. I'm pretty sure it is. Tell me you were saying a Goldie.

[A]

I have. No, I've never said it out loud. I've literally never said the brand out loud.

[B]

I mean, I'm pretty sure it's a no.

[A]

I am. When I say that, I am not questioning you. I'm asking you for reassurance so that when I do decide the time comes to say that brand out loud. Okay.

[B]

I'm gonna be your coach. It's a Goldie. You're like, got it.

[A]

A Goldie. Done. Now I can talk to the woman at the store about the Agoldie jeans.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

Oh, gosh. Now I'd love to circle back to motherhood. Since you have a teenager in the house. I'm always shocked to learn about gen Alpha slang from my high school field hockey players. Have you learned any new words from your son?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, all the time. I'm like, what am I going to say? That's not going to, like, completely embarrass him because the second I use it or talk about him, he's like, just don't. Please don't.

[A]

It's very cringe. I don't know if cringe is old now. Cringe might be old. There's probably a new. There's probably a new term for cringe.

[B]

Something I heard him saying the other day was like,

[A]

he.

[B]

He wanted to take, like, a screen. Like, a screen grab of his friend. Him and his friend. His mom sent me a picture of them when they were little. Like, oh, look at this. Look at them at this. Whatever. And Luca was like, oh, let me have that. Let me have that. And, like, Screen grabbed it, and they base and like, to, like, torture him with it. Right. Because now he has a baby photo of him. And so basically, they. They. They call that, like. Have you ever seen them, like, to FaceTime each other? They don't put their faces on the screen.

[A]

My niece does this.

[B]

Okay, so the, like, phone's up here, and you're like, what. Why are you. What are you doing? It's called, like, getting clipped or something.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah. And they don't want to get clipped. They don't want, like, a screen grab to be taken of them.

[A]

Okay, this is helpful, right? Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

Ask your field hockey team.

[A]

Let me tell you, two field hockey seasons ago, I had to get explained 0.5. What's 0.5? Ing someone. Did you get 0.5?

[B]

Oh, is it with a. The photos.

[A]

Yes, I know.

[B]

And it's, like, the worst possible angle.

[A]

Yeah. And one of them got me, and I said, you know what? You can have that.

[B]

You're, like, fair and square.

[A]

That's my gift to you. Don't ever say I didn't do anything for you. Yeah, I know. I. I can't keep up. Last season, I. I say this like a badge of honor. Last season, one of my girls told me that I was Unk, and it doesn't. I don't think it's quite as flattering as, like, the OG Version of Unk, which is just, like, sort of like your elder, like someone you respect that's older. I think it's more of, like, oh, you're old, period.

[B]

I've never even heard that. And you're like, maybe it's an east coast thing. Maybe it's an east coast thing. It hasn't arrived here yet.

[A]

Well, you're welcome. Maybe you can get ahead of it.

[B]

If I use it tonight, Luke is gonna be like, no, no. How old is your oldest?

[A]

Six years old. So we're not there.

[B]

You walked it out fast.

[A]

Yes, we do.

[B]

Five, six, three in one.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Are you okay?

[A]

No. Thank you for asking.

[B]

Yeah, like, what on earth?

[A]

No, because. Because I don't like being pregnant, so I just, like. I just wanted to get it over with and be done with it because I don't like it. I don't enjoy myself. I'm nauseous the whole time. They take over my body. I have different symptoms with every single one of them. It's trash. Trash. It's actually a means to an end. And I love smushy babies. I love them.

[B]

This is really off topic, but I just Feel the need to share with you right now because you know when everyone comes and tells you when you're pregnant, like, oh, this horrible thing happened to me.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know how everyone loves to tell you their horror stories and like, it is a rite of passage. Right. They have them. We recently got hamsters. And the same experience is happening to me. Everyone's coming out of the woodworks, like, oh, you want to hear about my hamsters? Oh, you want to know what my hamsters did? And I'm like, this reminds me of when I was pregnant. And everyone wants to like, dump on you, like to do hamsters. It happened.

[A]

They just. They are trying to just wait you with the hamster. The. Just wait until the 18 month sleep

[B]

until the other one bites the other one's head off. Like, I'm like, what?

[A]

Just wait until it surprisingly has babies and eats them. I will tell you. I'll give you a piece of advice about hamsters. That is a school trick. My mom has worked in elementary schools for over 30 years.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because, you know, every single. There's a. There's a classroom pet that escapes. No, this is if they escape. Sometimes they decide to be an escape artist. If it escapes, you get one of the, like Lowe's Home Depot bucket. And you get a little ramp. Anything. You can use a ramp to get up into the bucket. And you put food in the bucket. Something enticing. Peanut butter, nuts. Something that's nice and smelly and they'll want to go into. And eventually you'll just hear a little plop because they will walk up the little ramp and fall into the bucket. And then they can't get out. So that now you have your hamster back.

[B]

Got it. Okay. All right. That's if you want to save them.

[A]

If you think they're still alive.

[B]

I'm like, I don't know how long they're gonna last for. And that's okay.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if they survive.

[B]

They are. They're not going to survive. My cats. My one cat lays on top of the hamster.

[A]

You got the catapet, is what you're saying.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And she's like, yeah, she's waiting.

[A]

She's like, escape. Just do it. Just escape real quick.

[B]

Just try. Just try tonight.

[A]

Let me open the door for you. Yeah, this way out. Yeah. So if you. I. I won't so much doom and gloom you. But if they do make it out and you still think they're alive, the bucket.

[B]

Just get a closed bucket ramp on the peanut butter.

[A]

We're Good. Now I would like to ask you as someone who I. You couldn't pay me to do what you did. Let's start there. I need to know though, what is harder childbirth or getting through all of the hot one swings?

[B]

Is that what you mean? You wouldn't have a home birth?

[A]

Couldn't pay me. Okay, well, did you have home births?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have so many questions.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Did they bring the pool to you?

[B]

The pool is like in my house, like two to three weeks before I give birth. But it's like not blown up. That's my husband's job. Once it's like go time.

[A]

Is it your pool or the birth doula's pool?

[B]

It's my. Sorry, I don't like own it, but it's from a company. Perfect.

[A]

Okay, thank you so much for clarifying this. Yeah, I thought maybe people were giving birth to these babies. This is not even to be funny. I truly thought this. I truly thought that people were having babies in these pools and then they would like, wait a couple years and then they would put it out back like a kiddie pool for kids to play in. And I was like, what a beautiful rite of passage to get born into the pool and then get to play in the pool. I don't know the difference because I am not a home birthday. No, no, no, no, no. Thank God.

[B]

It's a totally. By the way, it's like. And whatever. But it's like this makes me feel better. It's a high. It's. You know how kiddie pools are, like, low.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

This is like enough. Where you could.

[A]

Like a hot tub.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

More like an inflatable hot tub. Okay. Okay. Now I'm with you. Yeah, this makes me feel a lot better. Yes. I would not. I'm not a home birth person because I love an epidural. I love it so much.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We're friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But do. Did you think. I mean, then knowing that it's. That you did a home birth. I feel like I know the answer, but. Which was harder?

[B]

The home birth was much harder. But hot wings, once you get to like. I was so excited when I found out it got hot. I feel like I was like manifesting that coming to me. I wanted it so bad because I love spicy things. I love hot sauce. I love that show. I love the format. Like, been a fan for a long time, so I like, was so excited. And then I got there, I was like, oh, my God, I actually have to do this. But like, I love spicy things, so it's all good. Once you get to, like, 8 and you get to Debaum, you're like, not okay, but you're like, I'm at the end a little bit. No, I think more just like, every gasp of air is, like, on your already burning throats. We were just like. And then you're trying to talk and make sense and, like, that's not easy.

[A]

Can I tell you, though, when you baited him for water, you want to

[B]

go in for some water?

[A]

If you do.

[B]

All right, Trick. Yeah.

[A]

Outstanding.

[B]

I was very proud of myself for that. I was like, where did that come from?

[A]

It would. That you didn't go into that, planning that.

[B]

No, no, no, no.

[A]

So funny, that clip. I've watched it multiple times because the way you were like, do you want to go in for some water?

[B]

You want some wawa?

[A]

It was so innocent the way you were like, you want some wawa? Like, like talking to your kids, right? And then all of a sudden you just go, yeah. I was like, yes. Nailed that. You nailed that.

[B]

There's sometimes I'm like, what's wrong with you? Are you okay? Like, I don't know. It's. You know what? All of. I think that, you know, press is hard. Like, like, it's hard to, like, talk to people over and over again about the same things and, you know, come up with, like. So that was like, a fun. At least it was like, something going on on top of also, like, talking to you, like I'm talking to a mom. Like, that's. That's an easy space for me, you know? But sometimes when you're like, interview after interview after interview, it's, like, really hard. I was. I was excited about that one, and then I was like, oh, I've really pulled some funny tricks out of my sleeve.

[A]

Now. I do have to ask you. It's the question I ask everyone that is a mother. I would love to know the best piece of motherhood advice that you've ever received.

[B]

Oh, my God. I feel like it hasn't come from, like, one. One person, and it's not been like, one.

[A]

It can also be advice you now give if that. If that helps. Helps because you have some experience.

[B]

Yeah, I do. And I think, well, one of them is, like, a basic overall tip is just, like, not getting trapped in the, like, one size fits all model because each one of your kids needs something different. So, like, Mei Mei is so independent, and sometimes I feel like I need to make sure she gets as much as the rest because she can kind of, like, cruise through and slay Life and things seem to be easy for her, you know, but like Banks needs to download her day at the end. Like her love language is like time spent. So all the kids like figuring out what your kids love language is and just giving them little like hits of that is really important for me as a mother. And then the silliest one, which I know is like talked about all the time but like truly getting down on their level and talking to them truly just when things are really hard and like the household is exploding and you're like at your end, like just getting down on the level and being face to face with them, I think like calms you down because you realize how small they are and also like makes them tune into you.

[A]

I have never thought about that way. I've never thought about it that way that when you get down there you realize how small they are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because every so often I. Our six year old is very, she's very bright and I'm not just saying that because I'm her mom, but to a degree that sometimes I have to remind myself that she's only six years old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And just like having to crouch down, like I always get down to face level with them but I've never. Now next time I do it, I'm going to take a moment to be like, you are little, you're settled and that's so special.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's so great. Thank you so much for coming on to chat. This has been absolutely wonderful. You can get your tickets now to the Lucky Me tour. I can't wait. I have it marked off on my calendar.

[B]

I can't wait to meet you in real life. I'll see you in Philly.

[A]

I'm so excited. Yes, please. I'm biased, but we're pretty great. The philly tour is August 9th, so hopefully I will see you there and have a blast on tour. Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it.

[B]

Do you get to go to sleep now?

[A]

No, I have to go do bedtime.

[B]

You what you get to you going to do?

[A]

I have to go do bedtime. Oh. And that's it for this episode. I'm not gonna lie. You can find even more clips for my longer conversation conversation with Hillary on my YouTube channel on more Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Follow us on social media at NGL with Kylie for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Not gonna Lie is a wave original brought to you by Amazon Pets. Thanks again to the real ones for tuning in. Wave Your next chapter in healthcare starts at Carrington College's School of Nursing in Portland. Join us for our open house on Tuesday, January 13th from 4 to 7pm you'll tour our campus, see live demos, meet instructors, and learn about our Associate Degree in Nursing program that prepares you to become a registered nurse. Take the first step toward your nursing career. Save your your spot now at Carrington. Edu Events. For information on program outcomes, visit carrington.

[B]

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