Kylie & Jennifer Hudson on Kelce Genes Takeover, Toddler Spa Days & Viral Spirit Tunnel | Ep. 39

Summary

Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce – Episode 39

Episode Title: "Kylie on Kelce Genes Takeover, Bennie's Spa Day Twist & Viral Spirit Tunnels with Jennifer Hudson"
Date: October 9, 2025
Host: Kylie Kelce
Guest: Jennifer Hudson (EGOT Winner)

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Episode Overview

This episode sees Kylie Kelce reflecting on a tough week for Philly sports and the ongoing genetic "domination" of the Kelce family. Kylie covers quirky internet trends in her signature "doom scroll," including a celebration of Fat Bear Week, updates on women’s basketball in Philly, and hilarious (and slightly gross) parenting hacks. The highlight of the episode is a warm and insightful interview with EGOT recipient Jennifer Hudson, spanning her journey from American Idol to Dreamgirls, viral “spirit tunnels,” motherhood, women in sports, and unforgettable Super Bowl moments.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Philly Sports Woes and the Curse of the Full Moon

[01:02 – 03:00]

• Kylie jokingly blames the full moon for the week’s triple loss of the Eagles, Phillies, and Chiefs, and muses about her history as a sports announcer.
• Setting the tone: “Not gonna lie. I'm blaming the full moon. Eagles lost, Phillies lost. Chiefs lost. Trash. Absolute garbage.” (01:02 – Kylie)

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2. Kelce Genetics & Parenthood Comedy

[03:10 – 07:00]

• Kylie recounts the viral attention surrounding the strength of the Kelce genes after seeing a childhood photo of her husband Jason and brother-in-law Travis (a.k.a. Uncle Trav), and realizes daughter Ellie’s resemblance to her father.
• Humorous struggle: “I've given up on the Ellie fight. It was so obvious. It's Ellie's eyes. [...] We saw Wyatt come out. It's like we cloned Jason in girl form. [...] We don't have a fighting chance.” (05:56 – Kylie)
• Acknowledges her daughters’ “bops” they listen to, particularly “Opalite” by Life of a Showgirl, and gives a nod to strong women supporting women.

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3. Doom Scroll of the Week: Quirky Internet & Pop Culture Roundup

[07:05 – 17:40]

a. Women’s Basketball Comes to Philly

[07:10 – 09:00]

• Excitement for Unrivaled, a 3-on-3 women’s basketball league hosting games in Philadelphia ahead of the city’s eventual WNBA expansion.
• “I hope that people feel encouraged and welcomed [...]. I think we can show up and show out and I think that we can make our city proud.” (08:07 – Kylie)

b. Caitlin Clark’s Colts Game Power Move

[09:00 – 09:30]

• Applauds Caitlin Clark for not wearing a Colts jersey as a diehard Chiefs fan during a Fever team appearance: “You fucking nailed that. [...] When you are raised a die hard fan of a team that this is the only appropriate response.” (09:19 – Kylie)

c. Fat Bear Week – Meet Chunk, The Victor

[09:35 – 12:00]

• Kylie and Jennifer Hudson celebrate “Chunk,” a towering brown bear with a broken jaw who overcame adversity to win Fat Bear Week 2025.
• Memorable moment: “For him to become the fattest bear with a broken jaw, I don't think we are properly acknowledging the adversity he had to overcome to fatten up.” (10:28 – Kylie)
• Shoutout to the Katmai National Park Conservancy for raising over $430,000 during the event.

d. Parenting Hack: Spa Day Gone Wrong

[13:00 – 17:40]

• Kylie shares a TikTok mom hack about letting kids “play funeral” by doing mom’s makeup for low-energy play.
• Hilarious story: her daughter Bennett, during “spa day,” gives Kylie a “spit facial” by sucking water from a paintbrush and painting her mom’s face.
• “I could have lived my life not receiving a toddler spit facial.” (15:08 – Kylie)
• Tips for mess-free play: stickers, kid massages (i.e., getting pummeled by toddlers), and failed hairdos that still make for sweet moments.
• “Nobody tell her I said this. Horrific. And every single time, she goes, you look beautiful. And it is the sweetest moment.” (16:44 – Kylie)

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4. Jennifer Hudson Interview: Candid, Joyful, Inspiring

[19:06 – 49:20]

a. Fangirling and Idol Beginnings

[19:06 – 20:08]

• Kylie reminisces about her family’s devotion to American Idol.
• “You provided Goosebumps. Yeah. On a regular ass basis.” (19:41 – Kylie to Jennifer)

b. On Hosting ‘The Jennifer Hudson Show’ & Viral Spirit Tunnels

[20:08 – 26:12]

• Jennifer reveals she frequently gets starstruck by her own guests and reflects on surreal moments like interviewing Mariah Carey and the original Dreamgirls cast.

  • “Sometimes I have to, like, remove myself from it to be able to get through it.” (20:26 – Jennifer Hudson)

• Breakdown of the origin and growing creativity of her show’s “spirit tunnel,” which has gone viral:

  • “It allows them to just let their guard down even before they come out for the interview. Because as soon as you hit the door, you know you are here to be loved on and celebrated.” (23:21 – Jennifer)

• Memorable clip: Usher gliding through the spirit tunnel on skates.

  • “The skates are just the part. We know he's smooth, right? [...] To get on skates. Yes. And just glide through…” (24:03 – Kylie)

• Shoutout to WNBA rookie of the year Paige Beckers and how the spirit tunnel honors women’s basketball.

c. American Idol & Aretha Franklin Full Circle

[26:12 – 29:54]

• Jennifer shares the wild American Idol audition process, singing Aretha Franklin’s “Share Your Love with Me,” and full-circle moments—being handpicked to play Aretha in the film “Respect.”
  • “If you told me that then that one day I would be handpicked by Ms. Aretha Franklin and get to play her, I would be like, girl, go sit down. [...] My life works in so many full circles over and over again.” (27:58 – Jennifer)

d. From Cruise Ships to EGOT

[30:14 – 34:47]

• Fondly recalls singing as Calliope in Disney’s Hercules musical on cruise ships, later singing “Circle of Life” in front of Elton John on Idol.
• On taking risks and achieving milestones: “First film ever. That’s incredible.” (34:00 – Kylie)
• Jennifer didn’t realize she achieved an EGOT until the crowd pointed it out.
  • “I didn’t even realize I had won it until the whole room was like, ‘EGOT! EGOT!’ [...] Oh, they talking about me?” (35:04 – Jennifer)

e. Motherhood & Teen Parenting

[38:25 – 43:30]

• Jennifer’s son is 16 and learning to drive—a source of both pride and anxiety.
• Kylie and Jennifer bond over the time-warp sensation of raising kids and the challenges of letting children become independent.
  • “The hardest part [of parenting teens] is trusting our teachings. [...] Who did I raise?” (41:35 – Jennifer)
  • “What are you into, who are you, how are you changing?” (43:04 – Jennifer)

f. Sports: Basketball & the NFL

[43:32 – 47:03]

• Jennifer, a proud Chicago Sky fan, also loves Vegas for A’ja Wilson—but roots for all women athletes.
• “Women supporting women.” (44:27 – Jennifer)
• On performing at the NBA All-Star halftime and celebrity game: removed her nails to play seriously, trained with her son and “lethal shooter," but never touched the ball in the game.

g. Super Bowl Anthems

[47:03 – 48:47]

• Jennifer sang the national anthem at the 2009 Super Bowl (regarded as one of the best).
  • On singing it again: “Don’t fix something that’s not broken. I’m gonna let it sit where it sits.” (47:10 – Jennifer)
• Both Jennifer and Kylie praise Chris Stapleton’s recent anthem performance, sharing emotional fan moments in the stadium.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I could have lived my life not receiving a toddler spit facial.” (15:08 – Kylie)
• “We don't have a fighting chance. Okay? But luckily they make very cute children.” (06:45 – Kylie)
• “Who did I raise? What all did they receive that…the seeds we planted in them…now they're going into the world on their own." (41:35 – Jennifer)
• “The skates are just the part. To get on skates and literally glide through the spirit tunnel.” (24:03 – Kylie on Usher)
• “I love that my boys do, too…You see the boys get into it. It’s like, y’all better recognize. That’s how you know you’re raising a good man.” (44:29 – Jennifer, about men celebrating women’s sports)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:02 – Kylie opens, blames the full moon for Philly sports losses
• 03:10 – Kelce genes: viral photos and family resemblance
• 07:10 – Unrivaled women’s basketball comes to Philly
• 09:35 – Fat Bear Week winner, Chunk’s victory and overcoming adversity
• 13:00 – Parenting hacks, spa day gone wrong (the “spit facial”)
• 19:06 – Interview: Jennifer Hudson joins, fangirling and American Idol reminiscence
• 20:08 – Spirit tunnels: origins, viral moments, and guest reactions
• 26:12 – Jennifer’s Idol experience, Aretha Franklin, and full circle career
• 30:14 – From cruise ships to Idol to Elton John and EGOT
• 38:25 – Parenting teenagers: driving, independence, identity
• 43:32 – WNBA, women’s sports, and All-Star moments
• 47:03 – Super Bowl anthems, emotional moments in the stands
• 49:17 – Closing gratitude and sign-off

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Candid, breezy, and delightfully irreverent—Kylie’s blend of heartfelt anecdotes and humor pairs seamlessly with Jennifer Hudson’s sincerity and charisma.
• The show balances light parenting humor ("toddler spit facial") with genuine inspiration and celebration of women in sports and entertainment.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode blends Kylie's signature blend of sharp wit and honesty with Jennifer Hudson’s generosity and superstar sparkle. Whether discussing Fat Bear Week, chaotic spa days with toddlers, viral TV show traditions, or the challenges and joys of watching children grow, the conversation is lively, funny, and often moving. Highlights include a behind-the-scenes look at the viral “spirit tunnels” of The Jennifer Hudson Show, raw reflections on American Idol fame, and refreshing perspectives on women’s sports and parenting.
It’s a feel-good, laugh-out-loud, and occasionally goosebump-inducing listen that’ll leave you appreciating the power of individuality, community, and the joy of uncluttered authenticity.

Transcript

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[Kylie Kelsey]

Not gonna lie. I'm blaming the full moon. Eagles lost, Phillies lost. Chiefs lost. Trash. Absolute garbage. I'm blaming the full moon cause I tried every seat in the house so that couldn't be it. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave Original brought to you by Han Anderson. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. My mom is one of my best friends. Shout out to Lil lease I do. Famously got a knock on wood. You know the drill. Also, these are not Easter eggs. We're not that clever. And I'm a former Cabrini College sports announcer. I would say that I called women's or men's soccer the most. I did call one basketball game and a couple women's volleyball games, which that took a lot of studying, but we got through it and I don't think it's the worst thing I've ever done. So look at me trying to stay positive. Coming up on today's episode, I've got an absolutely stacked doom scroll of the week featuring the winner of this year's Fat Bear Week. Yep, you heard that right. Oh my gosh. It is an absolute honor to get to witness what is comparing fat bears. Unreal. And it looks like women's basketball is coming to Philly sooner than we thought. That's right. That unrivaled announcement was exciting. After that, I'm going to be joined by an EGOT winner I truly have no business speaking to. You know her from American Idol and her hit talk show, the Jennifer Hudson Show. If that didn't make it obvious Guys, it's Jennifer Hudson. It's all coming up. But first, let's get to some real one comments of the week. First up, yeah, There was a 12 minute jump two weeks in a row on the runtime of this podcast. And some of you in Queen Emma's court commented with absolute horseshit like this. Colleen said, queen Emma did it again at one hour. Get the front door out of here. Get the French toast out of my face. Queen Emma asked, how are you feeling about two cool 60s in a row? And then she said, girl, should we make it three with a turtle emoji? No, we shouldn't make it three. How about that garbage. Next up, a lyric from Life of a Showgirl inspired a viral tweet and I have to admit, they got my ass. They really did. The tweet says, a whole block full of baby Kelsey heads. Someone commented on that tweet and said, the fate of Kylie Kelce. First of all, the lyric is quote, have a couple kids got the whole block looking like you from Wish List, which is my favorite song on the album. I think I've said it so many times before. The Kelsey jeans are strong. And here is. Here's a moment that happened this week. This week was Uncle Trav's birthday. And in true celebration, there were a number of photos posted on a carousel on Instagram, I believe by the Chiefs. And new that were. Oh yeah, I did Brad, bleep it the other podcast. And the Chiefs collabed on a carousel of photos for Uncle Trav's birthday that included a photo of my husband and Travis. And I will tell you what, I think I've given up on the Ellie fight. It was so obvious. It's Ellie's eyes. It's her eyes. And the worst part was is it was in that photo where I was like, oh, is that Benny's face too? Which, to be fair, I have not thought for one second that Benny resembled me at all. So it. That was fine. It was Ellie that broke me. So the jeans are strong. Guys, I don't know what to tell you. I've been saying this from the beginning. We saw Wyatt come out. It's like we cloned Jason in girl form. It just. We don't have a fighting chance. Okay? But luckily they make very cute children. Can confirm very cute children. Those Kelsey's. Because that baby picture was a freaking. That little kid picture of Jason Travis was so cute. We do have half the block already covered, especially when they scatter, which is a thing they've been doing recently. They Think it's funny. Speaking of the girls, we have listened to Life of a Showgirl. There are some bops on there. I think everybody knows. One of the songs that Ellie and I have been bopping to on the way to school is Opalite. Great song. The lyric my brother used to call it eating out of the trash. Outstanding. My favorites on the album are definitely wish list, opalite and who are we kidding? Wood. Here's the deal. Do I need that much detail about my. Specifically about my brother in law? Probably not. But also good job. That's it. I'm guys. Yes. A thousand percent yes. That's women supporting women. Radia. Okay, moving on. Let's get right into a chunky Doom scroll of the week. Pun intended. You'll see what I mean. First up on Doom scroll of the Week, we no longer have to wait until 2030 for professional women's basketball in Philly because Unrivaled is coming this January. Queen Emma, roll the clip please. Okay, there was an announcement in Love park in Philadelphia that unrivaled the 3 on 3 women's basketball league will have two games played in January in Philadelphia. Get out of town. No, get in town. I do have January 30th blocked off on the calendar because of course I want to be there for this. I hope that people feel encouraged and welcomed into the Philadelphia area and I hope that this is just a small glimpse into how we are going to love and support our team that comes in in 2030. I think we can show up and show out and I think that we can make our city proud. Speaking of the wnba, I've just been given yet another reason to be a fan of Caitlin Clark. Roll the clip. Queen Emma. She and some of her Fever teammates were at the Colts game and Caitlin, a diehard Chiefs fan, is the only one not wearing the custom jersey they made for her. Nailed it. You fucking nailed that. You nailed that so hard. Here's the deal. Very kind of the Colts organization to give a customized jersey. This is customary. I've seen it happen to my husband many times. I co signed this decision very hard. I think that Caitlyn nailed this. I think that when you are raised a die hard fan of a team that this is the only appropriate response to being given a jersey of another team. So yeah, yep, nailed that. Next on Doom Scroll. First we were a Turtle podcast, then a hippo podcast. Well, now I think it's safe to say we're a Brown Bear podcast because the winner of fat bear week 2025 has been crowned. And you guys. His name is Junk queen. Emma, the clip, please.

[Jennifer Hudson]

We have a winner. Chunk, a towering brown bear with a broken jaw, has taken the top prize in Alaska's popular fat bear contest. This is Chunk's first win after narrowly.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Finishing in second place the three previous years.

[Jennifer Hudson]

By the way, Chunk weighs an estimated 1200 pounds.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Chunk received the most votes in a competition between 12 brown bears, where people pick the bear they believe best exemplifies fatness and success, which is perfect for him in their preparation for winter hibernation.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Okay.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Couple things here. 1. One being the most important, I think we should point out one of the things that they shared about Chunk is that he has a broken jaw.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Okay.

[Kylie Kelsey]

So for him to become the fattest bear with a broken jaw, I don't think that we are properly acknowledging the adversity that he had to overcome to fatten up. Okay. He was so dedicated that with a broken jaw, he still consumed enough calories to be the fattest bear. Perfect. I have seen a bear in the wild. Did I freak out? Yes. Was it like a freak out? Scared? Absolutely not. Because I was in a vehicle and the doors were locked. That's key because those suckers can open doors.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I believe the bear I saw was a black bear, and it was on the way to the Dickerson wedding. That's not. That's out for real. We were going to see Landon and Brooke get married, and we saw one on the way up the mountain. I was very excited. Queen Emma would like to know, if Jason and I saw a bear on a hike, would he ditch me like he did with the shark? Couple problems with this question. Number one, Would Jason be on a hike? Probably not. I don't think he would ditch me. I think he would. I think he would stick around. It doesn't feel as dire as him coming in contact with a shark, but maybe I'm wrong. We'll have to ask him. Am I a national parks girly? Yes. Yes, I am. I love and support the National Park Service, and I think we all should, because it is preserving parts of our country that are beautiful and representative of the land that we get to call home. Like beautiful national parks taken care of by our wonderful National Park Service. Shout out again to Fat Bear Week and the Katmai National Park Conservancy. They exceeded their fundraising goal and raised over $430,000 during Fat Bear Week. If you want to donate, we'll put the link in the description. The last thing on Doom Scroll Tiktoker Green Megs And Ham just shared a very seasonally appropriate mom hack. And I'm taking notes. Queen Emma, please roll the clip. It says mom hack. If your child ever wants to play but you have low energy, just tell them you're a corpse that needs to get ready for a funeral and let them do your makeup. I love low energy kid activities for parents. There was a period of time where we did spa day, and I provided a brand new paintbrush with a tiny little, like, bathroom cup of water. And that was great. We were. I had my eyes closed and we were painting clean water onto mom's face. And at some point, I peeked an eye open and realized that Bennett was dipping the paintbrush in the water, sucking the paintbrush dry. Well, I guess not dry. Sucking the water out of the paintbrush and then painting my face. So I was getting a spit facial, which I could have done without. I could have lived my life not receiving a toddler spit facial. I then quickly realized that spa day could not involve me closing my eyes. And that's okay. I'm okay with that because I still got to lay on the floor. Another one that we've been doing recently is massages. They're not actually massages, but my kids are young enough that if they want to beat the out of my back, it's still kind of relaxing. And they're not what I can ask them to not do it as hard as they possibly can. And they actually listen. So I love that I said they actually listened, like it was a surprise. But for anyone who has children, our kids ages, then, you know, it is kind of a surprise that they listen to that. We regularly have ended up with stickers all over our faces. That was a. An activity that specifically Wyatt really enjoyed when she was younger. She enjoyed putting stickers on both mine and Jason's faces. I think I have a video of that somewhere. Maybe Brad can cut that in here. But it's. It really was easy because you sit and you get. I mean, it's. You want to get not so sticky stickers. That is. That shit will hurt. And I think you also want to make sure you're not putting it on eyelashes or eyebrows so you know you're not waxing your face. I have tried a number of times to have the girls do my hair, but we cannot grasp the concept of only brushing down. And then when we are old enough to grasp the concept of brushing down or we're being light on mom's hair that day, we transition to, well, now I need to put it into an elastic or a ponytail holder. And we don't quite know how to do that. So it ends up with, like, a lot of this. A lot of, like, smushing hair around and just sort of like circling your hands, almost like they're making a meatball with my hair. And then it ends up you. That ends up as a rat's nest, as my mother would call it. I do love doing it, though, because every time Ellie does my hair, it looks. Nobody tell her I said this. Horrific. And every single time, she goes, you look beautiful. And it is the sweetest moment. I'm like, you know what? I do look beautiful. I'm going to wear it like this to dinner with dad. It's so cute. And I love it. And also, I get to sit there while they do it. So 10 out of 10 highly recommend. 9 out of 10 highly recommend. That one point off is for hair loss. Here we go. That's it for doom scroll of the week. Coming up, Jennifer Hudson is about to join me. But first, I'm going to rave about Hannah Anderson pajamas. If you're a real one, it was only a matter of time before you found out about some of my favorite kids PJs from Hannah Anderson. I've actually got some right here with me because these are some of the holiday prints for Finny.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Look at how freaking cute this.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Look at the little tree. Oh, focus.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Look at the little trees.

[Kylie Kelsey]

My goodness, it's only October. But if you're a planner, unlike me, they've already got holiday prints in stock. I love Hannah Anderson pajamas because they last. They last. I have had pajamas that Wyatt wore that Finn will now wear. And that's so cute. Hannah Andersen just dropped their new 2025 holiday pajamas for the entire family. And there are so many new and fun, colorful patterns this holiday season you can mix and match with the full family. And when I say full family, I mean it, guys. They even have dog pajamas. I love it. And it's the perfect time to check out Hannah Anderson pajamas because their exclusive friends and family event is happening right now. You are invited to Hannah Anderson's family and friends [e-mail] NGL she's one of only 21 people in history to win an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, and Tony. You know her from American Idol, the Voice, Dreamgirls Sing, Respect, and of course, her hit talk show that just kicked off its fourth season. And now she's officially not gonna lie. Jennifer Hudson, welcome to the show.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Thank you for having me.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Happy to be here. Of course. I am so excited to talk to you because I, of course, was introduced to you from your American Idol days. Wow. We were. We were a big American Idol house.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Oh, yeah.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Huge. It was a. It was a family event similar to, like a Wheel of Fortune situation. Yeah.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Okay.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Family event in our house.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Okay.

[Kylie Kelsey]

It was a staple. I remember specifically the people who gave us Goosebumps. We. That was always our. Our threshold of, like, that's how you know who you were going to vote for. Exactly. And you provided Goosebumps. Yeah. On a regular ass basis. Thank you. I mean, I was trying. I don't think I need to tell you that, but you. Your talent is, like, kind of mind boggling.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Thank you.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, I'd love to start by talking to you about your show. You just kicked off some season four of the Jennifer Hudson show. Congratulations.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Thank you. I can't believe it.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, every week on this podcast, I always say I'm joined by a guest I have no business speaking to. Very much like yourself. Oh. Are there any times in your show where you've had a moment similar to that or just a guest that you still can't believe? You get the opportunity to speak to.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Kylie all the time? Like, I. Yes. Sometimes I have to, like, remove myself from it to be able to get through it. Or sometimes it overwhelms me to the point, like, if it's someone I'm like, crazy, crazy like a fan over, then my brain starts rushing like, oh, my God, I want to ask them this, I want to ask them that, I want to ask them this. And then before I know what the time is up. So that varies for me. And then a lot of times, like, I'm realizing dreams right there in that moment. Like, I just had Jennifer Holiday on the show or when I had, you know, like the original Dream Girls or Mariah Carey, like, wait, how are you on my show and what I gotta show and. Right.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Carrie.

[Jennifer Hudson]

It's like my mind works like that. In those moments.

[Kylie Kelsey]

One of my favorite parts is the spirit tunnel. Those clips are constantly going viral. Yes. Before I play some of my favorites. Do you have a favorite?

[Jennifer Hudson]

I mean, they're all good and they're only getting better and better and people getting more and more creative. It's like, turn. It's an event at this point. Let's see. Okay. Of course, we all love the era. That's the moment. It depends on the chat and then how to guess. We want to see what they're going to do. And then I have a monitor so I get to watch them as they're coming out in real time. I've seen, like, choreography. Becker's won her. Her. She got her mvp.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Rookie of the year.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yeah, rookie of the year. Like, we're having, like, moments in the tunnel. So every show is a new one that tops the last one. It's hard to say.

[Kylie Kelsey]

So who. Who is coming up? Who is the creative mind behind this? Who is coming up with.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yeah, the chance?

[Kylie Kelsey]

What's going to be.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yes, the staff and the crew. Like, I don't know when they rehearse, I be like, where is rehearsal? But they get me too. Okay. And that's how it all started. Like, I would come out the dressing room or out of the office, and they're out there, like, rooting and chanting me on. And then I was like, y', all, we need to do this for the guests. We need to show the world this. Like, people should see this. And then we started doing it for the guests as well. And now the whole. When I say the whole world is like, doing spirit tunnels. Even when I'm in hotels, I'll see the staff line up, and I'm like, lord, they bout the spirit tunnel me, I was at a Knicks games not too long ago, and they lined up and I was like, what are these people doing? They did a spirit tunnel. Colleges, churches, clubs, everywhere you turn. It's like, we brought the. You know, helped bring the world joy.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I love that. And also, it is exactly what you said. It's layers to it. It's the creativity of your team and what the chant is going to be, but also the reaction from the guest. What are they gonna do? How into it are they gonna get? Some of them are vibing in a way I was not expecting.

[Jennifer Hudson]

But see, that's what's cool, because I love it. It allows them to just let their guard down even before they come out for the interview. Because as soon as you hit the door, you know you are here to be loved on and celebrated. Have your moment. And so they completely, like, lose sight of, like, any guard they may have up because they're so indulged in a moment.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Like I said, I have a few spirit tunnel clips here. I'd love to break them down with you. Okay, the first one is Usher.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yeah, we got.

[Kylie Kelsey]

A feeling like, he's ready the roll. Watch out.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Oh, watch out.

[Kylie Kelsey]

The skates are just the part. The part that gets me about this is like, we know he's smooth, Right. We know that. To get on skates. Yes. And just literally glide through the spirit.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I mean, Usher was ready.

[Kylie Kelsey]

He Said, listen, he was so ready. He came like, this is my spirit tunnel.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Exactly. And that's what it is.

[Kylie Kelsey]

And was.

[Jennifer Hudson]

And so to see him get in. Get in it and represent like that.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, there was a top comment on this, and it said, everybody was at work today. That's funny. Was there an unusually high participation rate that day? It did feel especially full, that hallway.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I mean, it is Usher. So, you know, I get it. The more the merrier. It's like. But that's the thing. If anybody, if you want to hop in that spirit tunnel and cheer whoever on, if you loving them that much, come on out. You know what I mean? So it's a vibe. It's a moment. And depending on the stars and how much they want to love on them, sometimes they get bigger and bigger, and each one is different.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I love it. Now, one of my personal favorites you just mentioned was the Paige Beckers when she received the WNBA rookie of the year award.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yes.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Queen Emma, can you roll that one? I just love that people get to show off their swag. Yes. I'm here to present you with the 2025 key at WNBA.

[Jennifer Hudson]

And she said she was nervous, but she did good.

[Kylie Kelsey]

She did great.

[Jennifer Hudson]

And then she had an amazing surprise.

[Kylie Kelsey]

It is so cool that this has become an opportunity to share something like this, which is an incredible accomplishment, man. Yes.

[Jennifer Hudson]

To be a part of that, to see her receive that and for them to want to do that in the spirit tunnel, it again, once again, raised the bar.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, I'd love to throw it back to your first ever TV appearance, which was, of course, girl on American Idol. I also had Kelly Clarkson on here, and she talked a little bit about the audition process and not knowing what to expect. You were on the third season, so you had a little bit more understanding.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I got to watch Kelly do it first.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Exactly what were your expectations going in?

[Jennifer Hudson]

You know, that's a good question because I said originally I was like, when I go, I'm going to win, I'm going to win. But then, you know, as time went on by and you get to see how huge the show is and became, you could get a little nervous. And by then I was like, you know, I want to do it for the experience. And what an experience it was. I feel like I hopped on American Idol roller coaster, and it has been going ever since because look at all the things I've gotten to do, all because I went and auditioned for that show. That's when it. That's when everything started for me.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, what do you remember the most from your audition. Oh, man.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Because there's so many different phases to the audition. So, like, my original one was in the Georgia Dome football stadium, you know, and singing in the middle of the field, the football field there. But then I remember when I sang and I told, you know, Simon and Paul and Randy, hello, I'm not the average cruise ship singer, and I do think I'm the best. And I had this big old hair, and I said, I'm gonna sing Share youe Love with Me by Ms. Aretha Franklin.

[Kylie Kelsey]

You know? Now, does that feel. Does that feel like you accomplished a full circle moment when you ended up playing Aretha in the movie Respect? Because I feel like you manifested that.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I would have never guessed if you told me that then that one day I would be handpicked by Ms. Aretha Franklin and get to play her. I would be like, girl, go sit down. Yes. That's how my life works in so many full circles over and over again. So to think back to even this big hair, right now, I'm paying tribute to my introduction to the world. I had the big hair, and I was like, my name is Jennifer now. You know, here I am 22 years later.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I do think, being an avid American Idol watcher, people like Aretha Franklin, people like Whitney Houston, whenever someone stepped up and they started their audition with, I'm planning to sing a song by one of the greats. Yes. There was always this moment of like, I really hope they nail it, because there is a reason they are the greats. Yes. And so for you to not only nail that audition, but then again, to end up playing Aretha is unreal. Just it really. I. I always say there. I would love the ability to just belt out a note, like, really hit one heart. Sure you can. I feel like, oh, nope, can't. Definitely can't. But I will tell you, it seems like one of the most satisfying things you could physically do. I just think it must feel good, like, for your soul. Listening to you is like scratching that itch. Thank you. It is. It's just. It's fulfilling to hear your voice and the power behind it and the control you have and the soul behind it. It just feels. Oh, God, it's so good fangirling over you. Thank you.

[Jennifer Hudson]

You know, but it's a spirit. It's from the heart, so that's. I'm like, it's all about the energy. If you reach down there enough, I'm sure you could do it.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I. I know for a fact I want you to be right I want you to be right. But I'm very sorry to disappoint you.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Okay. But I got faith in you now.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Thank you. I appreciate that. I will try my best to manifest that in the privacy of my shower.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Okay.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Okay.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I'll let you have that. Thank you.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, in your audition clip, Randy references that you were singing on Disney cruises up until that point. Did you have a favorite song?

[Jennifer Hudson]

Well, I got to be calliope the hit musing Hercules the musical and the circle of life soloists and the Disney dreams. Circle of life is one of my favorite, like, top five favorite songs ever. And you know what else is? Like I said, my life works in full circles, like, everywhere I turn to the point I should be dizzy because right before I went to idol, like I said, I was on the ship singing circle of life. Having no idea that Elton John wrote that song. I would have never guessed. A few months later, I would be on a show called American idol and Elton John would come in and be the celebrity star, was teaching us their songs, and guess what? I sang circle of life and he played it for me, and that was my biggest week.

[Kylie Kelsey]

You manifested that on Idol?

[Jennifer Hudson]

So I went from the ship singing it to singing it with the man himself.

[Kylie Kelsey]

That's perfect. Yeah. Now, coming in on a different thing we could probably manifest is a live action version of Hercules, because if you already have practice, think I'm ready.

[Jennifer Hudson]

We are the muses, goddesses of the. Listen, I'm ready. Just call me. I already got hair.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Okay, Disney, let's get this moving because we're all waiting for it. Yes, we all need it.

[Jennifer Hudson]

That's my dream role.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, Kelly also talks about when you two were coaches on the Voice and how much you appreciated being able to help the contestants who were in the position that you were once in. How did that feel to be able to help people along their journey?

[Jennifer Hudson]

I think it made a huge difference from our perspective, Kelly and I, because we were once them. So I think we listen from a different perspective. Say if the contestants got up there and they wasn't at their best, well, come on. They're auditioning in front of the whole world. Of course they're nervous. We'd consider those things. You know what I mean? We had a different sense of empathy for them and understanding and compassion because we were contestants, too, on shows like this. So a lot of times, like, I would pick contestants. Like, why did she pick this contestant, that contestant? And it's like, well, you know, it's considering a lot of different things from that perspective. They're auditioning in front of the whole world. That is not easy to do. And you got celebrity mentor sitting here, and you're auditioning in front of them. That's nerve wracking, you know, So I felt like it was helpful and it made us different as coaches.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, would you ever consider returning to American Idol or the Voice?

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yeah, I would. I enjoy it all now. I wouldn't go on American Idol as a contestant.

[Kylie Kelsey]

No, no, no. You've done that. You mastered that. You're good as a. A.

[Jennifer Hudson]

A mentor or a judge. On. Because Idol is judge on. On the Voice was a coach.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Coach. Either way, those are two very different roles. It's.

[Jennifer Hudson]

It's different roles, but, yes, I love my experience in both.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, you went from American Idol finalist to egot, and it didn't take you long. You won the Oscar for Dreamgirls just two years after Idol. Is that right? Yes.

[Jennifer Hudson]

First film ever. That's.

[Kylie Kelsey]

That's incredible.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Thank you. I just want to get my lines right and make Bill Condon proud.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, where does accepting your Oscar rank as far as the most surreal moments of your life?

[Jennifer Hudson]

Whoo. It's up there. Very, very high. I mean, probably maybe in the top two, three stars.

[Kylie Kelsey]

To do it on your first film is. I mean. Yeah.

[Jennifer Hudson]

And I had never acted before other than being on this ship singing and narrating Hercules the musical.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Who knew that a Disney cruise would prepare you.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yes.

[Kylie Kelsey]

To be an egot? I mean, but.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Oh, that's a good question. I. I don't know. And then that is the thing. If anything, that could take one of those top spots, because even when I won the egot, I didn't even realize I had won it until the whole room was like, egot. Egot. And I'm like, who did? Oh, are they. They talking about me?

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[Kylie Kelsey]

I would love to talk to you a little bit about motherhood. I saw that your son is now 16.

[Jennifer Hudson]

He is 16.

[Kylie Kelsey]

And you said he's getting ready to drive? Yes.

[Jennifer Hudson]

He better be soon. Come on.

[Kylie Kelsey]

How do you feel about that?

[Jennifer Hudson]

You know, I'm a little nervous.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I am. Will you be the one teaching him?

[Jennifer Hudson]

You know, here and there. But he needs a better instructor because I'm still working on parking. Remember that.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Sure.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Okay, sure.

[Kylie Kelsey]

We're gonna need someone else to tag him for the parallel parking.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Exactly. I mean, it's just time, you know, like, he looks like a full grown man and I'm driving him around and I'm like, this, this ain't really. This don't seem right. I feel like, like you go to the store, you. You drive yourself here, there, you know, it's that phase of life that he's in. But as a parent, we get nervous, you know, like, okay, because then those words kick in. Is it going to be okay? Where you going? And don't stay out too late, be careful, don't be driving crazy, all of those things. Or will probably pop up and surface. Then was like, why would you encourage them to drive? You know, but it's time now.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I have said a number of times, our oldest daughter is 6. I keep making the joke of like, it's crazy that I'm 33 and a teen parent, you know, because it just feels like I'm not old enough to be here.

[Jennifer Hudson]

No one ever feels like they're old enough because I.

[Kylie Kelsey]

So you're still having that. That's.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I almost have an adult. That's why I keep saying, like, how in the world. How do I have a sense of.

[Kylie Kelsey]

How do we get here? Yes.

[Jennifer Hudson]

So every phase you're going to feel that way.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Okay, perfect. I wasn't sure if it was going to wear off into the tea, like into the teenage years. But I'm very much in the camp of like, there is no way I'm old enough to be responsible for a six year old. When did this happen? Yes. And they look. And then they start to look old. Like the idea of any of my girls being 16, I'm like, but it.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Is coming quicker than you realize. Okay, enjoy this phase right now. Because when your babies get about 11ish. My son was about 12 years old. He went in his room, took a nap. I used to call him Monksh. He came out that room. And I was like, who is this man? And where is my monks? Because just like that, it's like it flipped. And then all of a sudden, you have to find a new way to be there for them because they go through so many phases so quickly. And it's that saying, like, when you first had the baby, oh, enjoy it. Because before you know it, it's going to be. They'll be grown. We think as parents. That's like birth to like, 18. No, it kicks in way sooner. And at this point, my son is like, hey, mama, let's go. I gotta go do this. All right. I gotta be at school. Hey, my girlfriend is doing this. What? Hold on. How did this happen so fast?

[Kylie Kelsey]

Yes. Now, what is the outside of coming to those realizations? What would you say is the toughest part of parenting a teenager?

[Jennifer Hudson]

Trusting our teachings? And what I mean by that, to me, when they get in a teenage phase, that is when you get to see, who are you? Who did I raise?

[Kylie Kelsey]

Yes.

[Jennifer Hudson]

What all did they receive that? The. All the seeds we planted in them, bringing them up. Because now they're going into the world on their own in a lot of ways, at least they're starting to. And so at a certain point, the hardest part is not doing like, oh, wow, I gotta let you figure that out. I gotta let you go through that. You have to piece it together. Do you know your schedule? Where are your things?

[Kylie Kelsey]

You know what I mean?

[Jennifer Hudson]

Like, because as parents, we are always there. We're always doing. We're always, you know, helping and all of that. But it's the phase of, like, I gotta let you figure this out on your own.

[Kylie Kelsey]

And it is so interesting. Back to what you said about people saying, like, enjoy the moment. And you think they're saying, enjoy, baby to 18. But this is his opportunity where he is gaining that independence and he's leaving you to go be his own person in a way.

[Jennifer Hudson]

And it kicks in with a home.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Base of still your house, right?

[Jennifer Hudson]

Exactly.

[Kylie Kelsey]

But you're getting to watch what you. The person that you've raised.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yes, yes.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Oh, gosh, yes.

[Jennifer Hudson]

And it comes way quicker than you realize or seeing what they're into. Like, what.

[Kylie Kelsey]

What. What are you into to.

[Jennifer Hudson]

What do you. Like, what is. It's like you're rediscovering your kid in a way, you know, because you're learning who they are becoming, how you know all of those things. And so it's like. It's almost like when you pregnant, getting ready to have the baby, what is it going to be. Is it going to be a boy or a girl? Is it going to look like mom or dad? Who is it going to look like? But when you get to this phase, it's like, who are you?

[Kylie Kelsey]

What are you into?

[Jennifer Hudson]

What do you like to.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Hmm. Now, I want to switch gears, and I want to ask you a little bit about sports. Okay. Because I know you're a big basketball fan. I am.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I'm a basketball mum now.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I was just talking about the WNBA coming to Philadelphia in 2030. We're getting a team.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Congrats.

[Kylie Kelsey]

And I saw. Thank you so much. We're very excited. Nice. Now, I saw that you went to the all star game this year. Who is your team?

[Jennifer Hudson]

Well, I better go with Chicago. Chicago sky, home team. That's my home team. But I love Vegas, too, because Asia Wilson is, like, my favorite. Okay. But I got a roof. You know, Angel Reese is in Chicago, and that's my hometown. And when I went to the game not too long ago, I was kind of torn. I'm like, but Asia on this team and then Angel Reese on my hometown. So I'm cheering for everybody.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Okay.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yes.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Women supporting women.

[Jennifer Hudson]

We love it.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Exactly.

[Jennifer Hudson]

That's what it's about.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Yep. Yes.

[Jennifer Hudson]

And I love. Also love that my boys do, too. Like to hear them, like, yo, Juju, Angel Reese and Angel, like, they're mad into it, too. You see the boys get into it. It's like, y' all better recognize that's.

[Kylie Kelsey]

How you know you're raising a good man.

[Jennifer Hudson]

That's right.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, you also performed in the NBA all star halftime show and played in the celebrity game last year. Yes, I did.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yes, I did.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Which did you enjoy more, performing or playing?

[Jennifer Hudson]

I don't even know the answer. You know what? I enjoyed the whole experience. I did. It was just fun. It was like a J. Hood takeover in that joint. But you know what I would have to say preparing for playing in the all star game because I literally prepped for, like, months, although my hand never touched the ball. And I remember my son saying, mama, mama, you on the wrong side of the court. He said, lock in. I was like, oh, I can't shame my kid. I removed my nails for the game.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Oh, you meant business.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I meant business. I trained with all my boys. I go from the boys to the men, and I played games with them. They prepped me leading up.

[Kylie Kelsey]

That's perfect prep.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I played with lethal shooter and all for months and never touched the ball.

[Kylie Kelsey]

But you were ready to, and that's what matters.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yes. Because I Take everything seriously. And I had so much fun. And of course, I got a lot of cool points for my boys.

[Kylie Kelsey]

That's incredible. Yeah. Now, one last sports question, because I have to ask, are you an NFL fan?

[Jennifer Hudson]

You know what? I go to the super bowl every year.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Okay. And I'm trying to have one.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I have one football boy, and that's Jeremiah. So he keeps me abreast on football. Now, my team. My team. Well, of course, I got to go with my home team, the Bears, but last year, it was all about Philly for me.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Yes, it was.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yes, it was. And I knew they was gonna take it. That's all I had to say.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Did you? You could feel it.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I called it.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I love that. Thank you so much. We appreciate your support. This week was not our week, but we're gonna get back on track.

[Jennifer Hudson]

That's all right.

[Kylie Kelsey]

It's fine.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Yes.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Now, you sang the national anthem at the 2009 Super Bowl. It is highly regarded as one of the best renditions in super bowl history.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Wow.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Like, multiple lists. Would you ever do that again?

[Jennifer Hudson]

Well, don't fix something that's not broken. I'm gonna let it sit where it sits.

[Kylie Kelsey]

That's fair. I selfishly, we are in a rotation of going to Super Bowls at this point, just out of support for the NFL, but hoping that my brother in law will be competing. Knock on wood.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I'm sure.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I'm sure.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I'm a knock on wood, too.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Thank you.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I was watching the game last night.

[Kylie Kelsey]

And selfishly, I would just love to witness that. Wow.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Oh, my goodness. Listen to. Singing at the super bowl is. It's nothing like it. It's like one of the highlights of any artist's career ever. So, you know, it's precious. Now, one of my favorite national anthems is Chris Stapleton at the Arizona. Oh, my God. I was there.

[Kylie Kelsey]

It was so good. That was one I am very, very grateful to have witnessed in person. Me too. It will be ingrained in my brain forever. Because while he was singing, they cut to. I want to say it might have been my husband, but I blacked out a little bit with a single tear, and I was like, yes. Yep. Now I can't hold my shit together. And proceeded to cry uncontrollably in the stands. So I don't blame you, but it was unreal. That one was very good.

[Jennifer Hudson]

One of my ultimate favorites, for sure.

[Kylie Kelsey]

I cannot thank you enough for coming and chatting with me today. It has been an absolute honor.

[Jennifer Hudson]

My honor. Thank you.

[Kylie Kelsey]

You are. I'll fangirl one more time because I have to for good measure. You are an unbelievable talent and I am so grateful to get to speak to you, but also to just get to witness your journey and to get to see all of the wonderful things that you're creating for everyone to enjoy. So thank you so much.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Thank you for having me.

[Kylie Kelsey]

And I can't wait to tune into season four of the Jennifer Hudson Show.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Season four, Team Jennifer Hudson.

[Kylie Kelsey]

More spirit tunnels.

[Jennifer Hudson]

That's right, baby.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Thank you.

[Jennifer Hudson]

I appreciate you. Thank you for having me.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Thank you so much.

[Jennifer Hudson]

It's an honor.

[Kylie Kelsey]

And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Jennifer on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode follow Not Gonna Lie on all social media at NGL with Kylie. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Not Gonna Lie is a wave original brought to you by Hannah Anderson. Thanks again to the real ones for tuning in.

[Jennifer Hudson]

Wow.

[Kylie Kelsey]

Fucking sick. Hooked my ass. Okay.