Kylie on Kelce Sisters Salon Mishap, Jason NFL Fine Pep Talk & Marvel Madness w/ Brie Larson | Ep. 41

Summary

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Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce — Ep. 41

"Kylie on Kelce Sisters Salon Mishap, Jason NFL Fine Pep Talk & Marvel Madness w/ Brie Larson"
Date: October 23, 2025
Podcast Host: Kylie Kelce
Special Guest: Brie Larson

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Episode Overview

Kylie Kelce returns with another vibrant and candid episode where she blends family anecdotes, pop culture commentary, NFL insight, and a delightful conversation with actress Brie Larson. Kylie answers listener questions, discusses tricky NFL rules and celebrations, pokes fun at generational social trends, and opens up about the realities of parenting. The episode’s highlight is a warm, engaging interview with Brie Larson, covering her multifaceted career, imposter syndrome, parties (even for good jeans!), and Captain Marvel fame.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Family Banter & Parenting Real Talk

• Hair Buns and Wyatt’s Honest Feedback: Kylie opens the episode reflecting on a comment from her daughter Wyatt, humorously sharing, “Oftentimes when I wear my hair in a bun...Wyatt does not like my hair like this.” (00:00)
• Dinner Decision Fatigue: Kylie recounts a viral moment of her husband Jason asking, “Hello, darling,” only for her to react, “Ew, darling,” noting that she dislikes pet names and the never-ending “What’s for dinner?” debate.
  • Quote: “Darling, hun, honey, dear, baby, babe. No. And he doesn’t call me darlin on a regular basis. That was very out of the ordinary.” (03:12)
• Parenting & Trick or Treat: On Halloween, Kylie jokes that Cowboys fans will get raisins instead of candy:
  • Quote: “I would give every other kid a piece of candy and... get a box of raisins and drop that right in that bag.” (18:56)
• Household Items to Hide from Kids: “What I do have to be careful of is any type of writing or drawing utensil. It’s everywhere...I’ve had enough markers striped like a tiger. Suddenly they’re tigers. Ridiculous.” (20:20)

2. NFL Insights — Touchdowns, Fines, and “Pep Talks”

• Celebrating Without Fines: Kylie highlights Toria Moore’s creative suggestions for her NFL husband’s touchdown dances that avoid fines.
  • Quote: “You are not allowed to do is launch the ball as a celebration...as his better half, Toria was just trying to offer up better options to show excitement and celebration that will not require you to have payroll deduct.” (05:05)
• Jason’s Sideline Advice:
  • Quote: “If a fight broke out...he better keep all 10 of his piggy toes on the outside of that field...even if you went out there to break it up, fine. Dollars out of your pocket into the NFL's.” (06:32)

3. Generational Humor & Trends

• Millennial Pause Trend: Kylie reacts to TikTok’s Gen Z ribbing of “millennial pauses” in videos.
  • Quote: “It is when you start recording a video and you don’t immediately start your words...Maybe I’m the perfect person to explain this. I often do it apparently.” (09:30)
  • “If you listen to me on 1.5 speed, you might want to bump it to 2 times speed.” (10:13)

4. Kylie’s Field Hockey Clinic

• Kylie shares her pride (and self-deprecating amusement) in running a youth field hockey clinic:
  • Quote: “I have no business signing field hockey sticks. At some point, I literally told one of those children, this just decreased the value of your stick.” (12:57)

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Interview: Brie Larson (23:00–50:10)

Early Career & Disney Channel

• Brie’s Disney Channel Original Movie Days:
  • Quote (Brie): “It was a really big deal for me, honestly. It was my first big actor transformation because I had to dye my hair brown. It was a big deal.” (23:12)
  • Quote (Kylie): “Growing up in the generation that I did...what a Disney Channel original movie was to us, that’s a huge fucking deal.” (23:25)

Imposter Syndrome & "Party People" Cookbook

• Imposter Syndrome:
  • Quote (Brie): “I’m dealing with imposter syndrome every day on this...It’s not just because something matters to you, you know, that it’s going to matter to everybody else.” (25:31)
• Redefining ‘Party People’:
  • Quote (Brie): “Being a party person doesn’t mean that you want to go to the club in Las Vegas...My vibe is more, like, I like to host at my house. I like games, I like Lego parties, and I like a party that's just two, like, you and your best friend just, like, eating and bragging and complaining.” (26:31)
  • Quote (Brie): “Parties can be a place where we can just drop all of it.” (27:10)
• Celebrating the Little Things:
  • Quote (Brie): “When in doubt, you should be having a party, and you’re always going to be happier. The type party, too, where you leave and you feel like your cup was filled up, not you feel like you left drained.” (29:14)

Music Career & JLo Encounter

• Opening for Jesse McCartney & Pop Music Fever Dream:
  • Quote (Brie): “That part of my life, this like brief part of my life where I was pop star is like such a fever dream and so bizarre and such a weird detour.” (30:53)
• Meeting JLo:
  • Quote (Brie): “She was part of my awakening to myself. My mom took me to go see Selena in the theaters, and I, like, bawled my eyes out. That’s what I want to do.” (33:02)
  • Quote (Brie): “Even for JLo, there’s moments where she has self doubt. I am where I am because of that. To tell her that and also like how amazing it is...artist to artist, like now here we are, like walking the same floor.” (34:50)

Superhero Transformation & Handling Fame

• Captain Marvel’s Impact:
  • Quote (Brie): “I didn’t think that was part of my path. I thought if I could just do small...character roles. I never, ever, ever thought that I would lead a movie.” (41:41)
  • Quote (Brie): “My hesitancy was, I didn’t think that I, Brie, could handle the fame that came with it...So as I prepare to play this character, I’m also going to prepare Brie.” (42:19)
• Keeping Grounded Post-Release:
  • Quote (Brie): “The day that Captain Marvel came out...I went and took a walk, and I went [for a] bikini wax. And no one cared." (45:33)
  • Quote (Kylie): “I don’t know that there’s a more grounding. Like, let me make sure I can still feel something. Yeah. Let me get a bikini wax.” (45:40)

Hair Transformation & Self-Discovery

• Buzzing Her Hair for a Role:
  • Quote (Brie): “You don’t realize how much time you spend shampooing and brushing your hair until you buzz it off...It was very freeing. And it was also emotional too. It was far more emotional than I thought it was gonna be.” (46:42, 47:09)
  • “Not how I present myself in the world. And like, oh, geez. I have to buy new clothes because none of my, like, doan prairie dresses make any sense with this buzzed hair.” (47:11)

Advice from Samuel L. Jackson

• Best Industry Advice:
  • Quote (Brie): “Sam Jackson says on set all the time...‘Don’t get in the way of my fun.’” (49:09)
  • "My job is a team sport...Come here to have a good time. Don’t get in the way of my fun." (49:53)

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Notable Quotes

• Kylie (on parenting):
  “I’ve tried everything...we have had to scrub it up ourselves. We have had to...now they go on lockdown. That’s our compromise.” (20:34)

• Brie Larson (on parties):
  “Allow this to be a place where you’re allowed to be free. We don’t get to have the same freedom every aspect of our life, but with a party, we should.” (27:10)

• Kylie (on career and gratitude):
  “It is a feeling that I can only imagine that it is overwhelmingly positive and also few and far between when you reach a certain level of success…” (35:10)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–03:45 – Kylie’s family intro, Halloween costume banter, Instagram bio jokes
• 05:00–07:20 – NFL fines, touchdown dances, Jason’s sideline behavior
• 09:30–10:45 – Millennial pause TikTok trend explained
• 12:30–14:00 – Kylie’s field hockey clinic reflection
• 18:50–21:10 – Ask Me Some Things: Halloween, parenting, hiding things from her kids
• 23:00–50:10 – Interview with Brie Larson, covering her career, cookbook, advice, personal stories, and superhero transformation

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Memorable Moments

• Kylie joking that Cowboys-costumed trick-or-treaters might get raisins or an old avocado for Halloween treats. (18:56)
• Brie’s description of her “pop star fever dream” years and being “out of her mind” to tour with Jesse McCartney. (30:53)
• Brie sharing how “Sam Jackson says...‘Don’t get in the way of my fun.’” (49:09)
• Commentary on the “millennial pause,” with Kylie threatening to exaggerate it just to tease Gen Z. (10:13)

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Episode Tone

Unfiltered, witty, warm, and self-deprecating, Kylie’s tone dominates, while Brie matches with openness, humor, and groundedness. The interplay mixes heartfelt sharing with playful irreverence, especially discussing motherhood, fame, and pop culture milestones.

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In Summary

Ep. 41 of Not Gonna Lie delivers authentic snapshots of real family life, sharp NFL insights, relatable parenting confessions, and an unguarded, insightful guest conversation with Brie Larson. Both women reflect on evolving identities, changing roles, and the importance of honesty, humor, and “not getting in the way of their fun.” The episode is packed with laughs, wisdom, and plenty of rainbow (and Skittles!) energy.

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Transcript

[A]

Not gonna lie. Oftentimes when I wear my hair in a bun much like this bun, I am told by Wyatt she does not like my hair like this. What a way to start the day. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a wave original brought to you by Skittles. Taste the rainbow or taste the broken rainbow. Get it? I'm your host, Kylie Kelce. I know a lot of detailed facts about tigers. If you don't know what chuffing is, look it up. Whatever you do, don't call me a wag. And I'm a big fan of Japanese maples. A lot of people caught on to the fact that I changed my Instagram bio and let's, let's really address why because some of you mother can sniff that faster than I can even explain. I. I don't think people get notifications for people changing their bio, but maybe they do and that's crazy sauce. I put it in my bio because I thought it was funny and I love my husband. Coming up on today's episode, I'm going to answer a few more of your questions for me in a brand new edition of Ask me Some things featuring items in our house I have to hide from our kids. Plus, for this week's doom scroll, a fellow NFL wife's take on celebrating touchdowns. The key without getting fined. Can't wait to talk about it. After that I'm going to be joined by, you guessed it, another guest that I have no business speaking to. We have Captain Marvel herself, Academy Award winning actress Brie Larson. But first, I got a shout out our real one. Comments of the week. On our last episode, I said I was done with family Halloween costumes after the Little mermaid fiasco of 2023. This year we might just have three ELSAs. To which at Dora Winifred responded. Hear me out. Six Elsas. Honestly, I'm so into that. I'm so into that. If I could get Ellie to not be Anna, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I can't have five Elsas and one Anna Finn is going to be honest so that we have two and two. Two honest. Two ELSAs. That's the plan though, who knows? Next up, I was featured in a behind the scenes clip from the other podcast. If you haven't seen it, Queen Emma, the clip please. Why is my wife calling me? Hello, darling. Oh, I meant hello Kylie darling. Sorry.

[B]

Hello darling.

[A]

How things go for you today?

[B]

What are you doing for dinner?

[A]

Eating some type of animal carcass? You must still be on the podcast I am a couple of the top comments from the real ones and the 92 percenters. Someone said Jason hello Darlin. Kylie. Ew Darlin. Haha. Love her guys. I don't know how many times I have to say it. Darling, hun honey, dear, baby, babe. No. And he doesn't call me darlin on a regular basis. I want to point that out. That is. That was very out of the ordinary. The other main takeaway from this clip, Kylie is all of us. Someone else just freaking decide on dinner. I do. I thought it was very funny reading these comments because I didn't scroll very far. But I found that the common theme was that everyone is exhausted. Every every spouse, every anyone in a relationship is exhausted by the question what's for dinner? What do you want for dinner? I didn't even know there are so many people. She has decision fatigue. How cool would it be if you ask someone what do you want to eat and they looked you straight down the barrel and said I want a salad from this store. I want a pizza from that place. I want a cheesesteak from you know where. That'd be so cool. Moving on, let's get right into Doom scroll of the week. First up on Doom Scroll, Commander's wide receiver Chris Moore's wife Toria Moore is showing her husband touchdown dances that will not get him fined and I love that so much. Queen Emma, the clip please. It says showing my husband touchdown celebrations he should have done instead of launching the ball and getting fined. For those of you who don't know in the NFL there are so many times that you will get fined. Sorry NFL, I'm telling all your secrets. One thing you are not allowed to do is launch the ball as a celebration. You're not allowed to do that. I don't think you're allowed to launch anything into the stands. Specifically not allowed. So as his better half, Toria was just trying to offer up better options to show excitement and celebration that will not require you to have payroll deduct. I do not personally know Toria, but that's a good idea girl. I love that idea. I used to My husband as an offensive lineman was not coming into scoring opportunities and therefore was not often partaking in touchdown celebrations. Also, he is on record saying that typically when they would make the march down the field he was tired. So like he's not going to the end zone to celebrate when he still has to get to the sideline before the extra point set up. He's big man. Big men like to go straight where they're supposed to go, and don't make many stops along the way. So he did not have many opportunities to celebrate or create many opportunities for himself to celebrate. But what I did often, often remind him was that if a fight broke.

[B]

Out.

[A]

That he better keep all 10 of his piggy toes on the outside of that field. Because you want to know another way they pop you if you so much as step a foot onto that field when you were not previously on that field, while there is a fight happening, even if you went out there to break it up, find. Find dollars out of your pocket into the NFL's. They. They don't around with that. They do not around with that. And now, again, I could be misrepresenting this, but this was my understanding. If the rules have changed, cool. But I'm telling you, when Jason was there, that was my pep talk. My pep talk was like, hey, doesn't involve you. You keep your ass where it is. Don't. Don't do it. Because as much as I would love to say that Jason would be the one that would hop in there and the. The peacekeeper breaking it up, you and I both know. You and I both know. I'm pretty sure he was going and swinging. It's not. No, no. To be fair to. Don't come for me. NFL. To be fair, things are put in place, like launching the ball into the stands. I completely understand why that rule was put into place. I get it. I get that you have to keep the peace and find everybody that wants to hop in on a fight. I get it. Love you, NFL. And last thing on Doom scroll, there's a TikTok trend right now of gen Zers practicing their best millennial paws. And I feel personally victimized. Queen Emma, the clip, please. Okay, so. Okay. So I just wanted to. Hi, guys. Six, seven. Oh, she said six, seven. Okay. For those of you who might not understand the concept of a millennial pause, I'm going to give you the best explanation that I can give, which is a very broken understanding of what the millennial pause is. But considering I often do it apparently, maybe I'm the perfect person to explain this. It is when you start recording a video and you don't immediately start your words that you sort of take an extra second to think it might be dead space. It might be an. It might be a. So I was thinking all of these would fall under the realm of millennial pause. Basically, it's a. An amount of time at the beginning of a video that we are not providing Any information that we have not hurried to the point, which seems rushed. That's the best I've got. That's. That's my understanding. If I'm wrong me. Can we keep that? I was actually informed by some of my former field hockey players that I.

[B]

Am.

[A]

Known to millennial paws, so thanks, girls. Appreciate you. I'm gonna start doing it on purpose, and I'm gonna start doing it for an extended amount of time. A very long pause. I feel like Gen Zers having a problem with our pause or our lack of. Of a sense of urgency in how we start our videos. Is there need for, like, as fast as we can do it? Chill out, chill out, chill out. Take a deep breath. You don't need us to be speaking like a chipmunk. Chill out. We'll get there. God, haven't you heard of enjoy the journey? Enjoy it. Sit down. If you don't want to stick around, guess what? I'm going to start Millennial pausing. I'm going to start. First of all, I'm going to start making tiktoks again. No, I'm not. But we can pretend it's going to be the equivalent of like, hey, so when you guys go to get, like, when you're about to get your period, and then the. The women will start the video that way, and then all of a sudden it. They pause and they're like, okay, did the guys leave? Are you. Is it just. Just the women are left, Right? Okay, so here's what we need to talk about. It's going to be one of those, but with a Gen Z pause. Good luck. If you listen to me on 1.5 speed, you might want to bump it to 2 times speed. I list. I listen. If I. I can't even say I listen. I don't listen to myself. If I were to listen to myself, I listen to it. I just started. I just started new. I just started another podcast that if I'm going to listen to a podcast, is the podcast that I would spend my time listening to. Old depths, if you will. I listened to it on 1.2, so you should probably speed me up to like a good 1.5. I mean, that's it for Doom scroll the week. Moving on. A brand new edition of places. Kylie has some business being. I have zero business being in most places, but sometimes there are places that, based on my experience or qualifications, I should be there. So I think that my years of playing slash coaching field hockey and the fact that I'm from here doing a field hockey clinic in our area is probably a place I have a little business being. Not a lot, but some. Yep, that's right. This past weekend, I put on my second youth field hockey clinic. My first one was Stick with kc and this one was right here in Philly. So it was Stick with PHL or Stick with Philadelphia. We were able to partner with Longstreth, which is a sporting goods store here just outside of Philadelphia. They are the people I've been going to for my entire life. For my sports equipment, I was asked to sign field hockey balls, shirts, sticks. This feels ridiculous. It feels silly. I have no business signing field hockey stick. Don't anybody. I. At some point, I literally told one of those children, this just decreased the value of your stick. So there's that. A peanut. That was a quick head snap. Did you see that? Oh, hey, girl. Okay, let me feed this child real quick. You want to come sit in the chair? Fine. Don't you know she plays in the corner in the kitchen and says, I'm on the podcast. Who do you talk to on dad's podcast? Uncle Travis? Mom and dad are. I smoochie Kiss daddy. All right, you can do the eyebrows real quick, clean them up, and then we'll be all done, and you can go back. Can you wink? Nice. Nice. That was actually very good. Okay, I love you. Hey, you didn't even look at me when you said it. You got to look at people you're talking to. Listen, if you want more hockey content, just, you know, stay tuned. I wonder what that means. Okay, next up, let's get to the segment where I answer real questions from the real ones, otherwise known as ask me some things because ask me anything. Needed Boundaries, you crazy mfers. Okay, first question from Brandi Burkhart. Kylie. If a child knocks on your door on Halloween dressed as a Cowboys football player or cheerleader, do you give them candy or tell them to get off your lawn? Here's the deal. If we receive trick or treaters, which we do not, hypothetically speaking, I would give every other kid a piece of candy and. And then I would march my ass to the kitchen and get a box of raisins and drop that right in that bag. Did I hesitate? Guys, Raise your kids right. Okay? I don't know what. That's. That's the best advice I can give you. I'm not going to tell you how to parent your kids, but this is where I draw the line. So apparently, I'm going to give them either raisins or nothing. Ooh, maybe like an Old avocado. Next. Ask me some things question is from Emily R. That's actually exactly how it's written. Ask me some things question. Is there anything you have to hide from the girls? Specifically sick scissors. And which one of the older three would try to cut their hair or their sister's hair first? This is a very easy question. So easy. Things that have to be hidden from my children, surprisingly enough, not scissors. What I do have to be careful of is any type of writing or drawing utensil. It's everywhere. It's on the couch, it's on the wall, it's on the floor, it's on the table. And guys, this is like I know there's going to be a population of people that hear this and say, well, that's because, you know, kiss my ass. Kiss my fat ass. I've tried everything. We've sat in timeout. We have had to scrub it up ourselves. We have had to. I mean, just now they go on lockdown. That's our, that's our compromise. To be fair, they are newly 6, 4 and 2. Their reasoning and decision making not the best. But for some reason anything that is smooth to go on your human body head to toe, it is absurd. It's insane. The minute they get a silky crayon, watercolor paint, any paintbrush with even a hint of color left in it. Full face paint. A full full face of paint. It's bananas. I've had enough markers striped like a tiger. Suddenly they're tigers. Ridiculous. I'm out. You know who will be my child that cuts hair and I know it without a doubt. And I feel like I could millennial. Pause this and everyone can say it together. Bennett Llewellyn Kelsey. She is my most mischievous child. Jason and I are in for it. That does it for ask me some things. Real ones. This is an official call to action. Please send all the Halloween related questions you can think of. I'm going to be joined by a very special guest next week and we want all the questions you can also ask about the family after wax care being married to me, Japanese Maples Queen Emma. I'm. I think I'm making it too obvious who this guest is. Too bad. Comment here on YouTube on Spotify or tag us on any social media at NGL with Kylie. We're going to answer a bunch of your questions next week coming up. Brie Larson is joining me. But first, Skittles Real ones. If you're a type C parent or a type C person like me and sometimes need reminders for everybody. Everything on your to do list. Consider this your official reminder to buy that candy for your trick or treaters. Yep. I also recommend adding Skittles to your bowl. And if you've already got your Skittles and you're looking for even more Skittles related fun, you gotta check out their new TikTok series that's just a doom scroll away called Ghost Roommate. That's right, Skittles is flipping the script on the whole spooky angle and instead hit us with a 90s style sitcom. Ghost Roommate follows two roommates, one human, one ghost as they navigate life, Halloween and their love for Skittles. And my favorite part about each episode, it's only six seconds long. In my opinion, some of the best Internet videos of all time are 6 seconds long. RIP vine fans can binge watch the full season on TikTok in 63 seconds. Only way it could have been better if it was 62 seconds. Check out Ghost Roommate and grab some Skittles this Halloween sitcom The Rainbow. Taste the Rainbow. This episode is sponsored by dude, that was a yell. That was a Jason yell. That was so Jason coded it wasn't even funny. Wow. This episode is sponsored by Liquid iv. We're definitely in our busiest season here at my house. I'm coaching field hockey, doing the podcast, Jason's broadcasting. We've got all sorts of events coming up and to do all of that, I just need to be focused and hydrated. Which is where Liquid IV comes in. Clutch. I love Liquid IV because it tastes great. And I'll tell you what, specifically, when I was pregnant, water isn't always going to hit the spot. It isn't. And that is one of the times in my life where Liquid IV has just also I took my first hot Pilates class over the summer. I don't think I've ever had my thirst quenched the way I did when I took a sip of my water bottle in that class. And it was Liquid iv. And if you're looking for a boost of energy for everything you have going on this fall, Liquid IV is offering a brand new product, Liquid IV's new Energy Multiplier. Sugar free Hydrating energy. It comes in two fun flavors, strawberry kiwi and BlackBerry lemonade. Just one stick of liquid IV and 16 ounces of water hydrates better than water alone. Get focused. Ditch the glitch with zero sugar and zero crash from Liquid IV. Tear pour live more. Go to liquidiv.com and get 20% off your first order with code NGL at checkout. She's the Academy Award winning actress, you know, from Captain Marvel, Endgame 21, jump street room, Trainwreck, and of course, the classics like the Disney Channel original Right on track and 13 going on 30 where she was one of the six chicks. Now she's got a brand new cookbook called Party People and she's officially not going to lie. Brie Larson, welcome to the show.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

Oh, I'm so excited to talk to you. I mean, really throwing it back all the way to the Disney Channel days.

[B]

And thank you for doing that.

[A]

I don't think that it would be appropriate not to list that.

[B]

Oh, it was a really big deal for me, honestly. It was like my first big actor transformation because I had to dye my hair brown. It was a big deal.

[A]

I love that so much.

[B]

You're like, I have to dye my hair for a movie.

[A]

But also growing up in the generation that I did and really understanding what a Disney Channel original movie was to us, that's a huge fucking deal. Like, it really is.

[B]

No, and you know, I auditioned for to just get right into it. You know, I was auditioning for these dcoms every month and I was not getting them.

[A]

Is it so crazy to think back to when you were that young? Because you it really. How old were you when you guys filmed that movie?

[B]

I don't know. I want to say like 14, but no, maybe that's not even true. Maybe I was younger. Maybe I was 13. I was young.

[A]

And. And even just now recalling that and remembering you getting to dye your hair for apart and getting to sort of step into that role, that has to be such a cool memory to be able to be like, yeah, I got to go to my friends and be like, my hair a different color. Yeah, it's because I got was cast.

[B]

I got cast. No, of course. I mean, there's so much about when I was younger and auditioning that is so clear to me because there's such deep visceral memories. Like, I think the way that I felt so much pain when I didn't get something and so much excitement when I did. It's more like as we grow up, like, hopefully we've learned how to like balance these things out a little bit more. When I think back, it's like I desired getting the new Nintendo console, like, so hard, and I desired getting a job that was like, Disney Channel original movie. Like, those are the things that, like, I would get heartburn at 12 years old because I desired so much. I think I'm still seeking this Thing that I experienced as a child, like, wanting something so badly and not always getting to be in charge of when you got that, you know.

[A]

Now, in terms of not knowing your fate, you knew your fate when you wrote this cookbook. You had to know that people were going to love it, right? People? I don't. Party people, cookbook.

[B]

No. I'm dealing with imposter syndrome every day on this. I am. It's not like just because something matters to you, you know, that it's going to matter to everybody else. But I feel. I feel very confident that what's cool about a book is that it lives on in a different way than, like, a movie that has, like, a box office opening. Like, it's more about this thing that gets to live in bookstores, and people can find it forever now. And I think that what it says matters, and it matters beyond me and Courtney. And so I'm very excited for it to come out.

[A]

I would like to congratulate you on it. Everyone should go get this book. I say this all the time, but I famously love to hide in a corner, and sometimes even at parties, I just want to, like, sort of melt into the wall. I saw that you also used to not be a party person, but obviously releasing a cookbook called Party People. Give me some tips here how we can move in the direction of being more of a party person.

[B]

Yeah, being a party person doesn't mean that, like, you want to go to the club in Las Vegas, because, like, I'm still not even that type of party person. But there's all kinds. We need people in the clubs in Las Vegas so that I don't have to, you know. And so in a world where we're all party people, my vibe is more, like, I like to host at my house. I like games, I like Lego parties, and I like a party that's just two, like, you and your best friend just, like, eating and bragging and complaining about the things that are happening. It's more about recognizing that it's okay to not want to go to every single party and it's okay to be nervous about throwing or hosting. Parties should be the place in a world where we are all stressed out and we are overworked and we are, like, over over stimulated, that parties can be a place where we can just drop all of it. Part of it is, like, I have so many people in my life that want to be around friends and community, but they're worried that their house isn't pretty enough or their apartment is too small and I'm like, no, no. And celebrate your life and all of these things. Allow this to be a place where you're allowed to be free. We don't get to have the same freedom every aspect of our life, but with a party, we should.

[A]

I feel like you just described the type of party, maybe the only type of party I want to be at. The idea of, like, the imperfections of it are part of the best part of the part. Like, that's so that's. That's a warm hug, and I want that party.

[B]

Yes, of course you do. And whether you're attending that party or you're hosting that party, that's, I think where we can get to in this life is, like, just to drop our shoulders a little bit and say whatever it is that we're afraid of, we don't have to. And, you know, people do the thing where they're like, it's my birthday. Don't sing happy birthday. Like, don't, don't. Don't act like it's my birthday. And I'm like, I want to get into that. Like, what. What is it about us that has made us. Then go. I don't want to acknowledge that I'm alive, that I exist, that I've done so many highs and lows. Everything is. We're celebrating everything. Getting a pair of jeans.

[A]

I can get down with a party for that. Yeah.

[B]

Can you imagine? Please come over. I found the most incredible pair of jeans. They were on sale. You'd be like, girl, I'm there. And like, you hang up the jeans and everybody's like, bow down to these glorious jeans. Like, everything. I just feel like, when in doubt, you should be having a party, and you're always going to be happier. And it's. I'm talking about the type party, too, where you leave and you feel like your cup was filled up, not you feel like you left drained.

[A]

I want you to know for certain that I'm going to get this book. I am going to find the best pair of jeans I've ever found, and then I'm going to throw a party about it. Yeah. And I am going to make the photo op. Everybody taking a picture with my ass, looking bomb in a new pair of jeans.

[B]

That is right.

[A]

Yes. I get it now. I'm so in on this. Now. You also did the high heel challenge while posing with the book, and I've seen so many of these, and every time. My question is, how?

[B]

I don't know either. Okay. I thought it was an optical illusion, and so Somebody was like, you should do this. And I was like, haha. Some of these were wild. There was somebody on heels on top of their like Dancing with Stars trophy. I don't even understand. It was a disco ball. But I did it on two cans of beans that I had in my pantry.

[A]

So good.

[B]

It's like the most viral thing I've ever done in my life, which I don't know how I feel about, but I just love.

[A]

I just love it's you, your book and your beans. Yeah.

[B]

Literally two cans of butter beans that I had in my pantry. I did it.

[A]

Very impressive.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

Now, right around the same time that you did the Disney Channel movie, you also signed a record deal.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

And opened for Jesse McCartney on his beautiful Soul tour.

[B]

That is true. Very good journalism.

[A]

I did. What was your reaction to hearing you were going on Tour with Jesse McCartney?

[B]

I was out of my mind.

[A]

Are you kidding?

[B]

I was so excited I was going on tour. I had a tour bus. That's like stuff of dreams. Like that, that part of my life, this like brief part of my life where I was pop star is like such a fever dream and so bizarre and such a weird detour. That's so funny and weird and it's just bizarre. The whole thing is just bizarre that the music industry is. It wasn't for me. Didn't always feel truthful.

[A]

You tried it. You gave it the. I mean, you gave it such a good effort that you ended up with a tour bus.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

That's a full commit.

[B]

That was a commit. It was a commit and it was great.

[A]

And honestly impressive.

[B]

And there's that too. Yeah, it's funny. I think it's really funny. And I love, I love music, but I like singing. Seriously love pop music. Like still to this day, it's like, I think it's one of the highest art forms to be able to tell. Like that's part of what I seek in my own work. I just do it through character work. But like to have universal messages that are told in a way that's accessible to people in a way that's like clear but abstract enough for people to make it their own. That's such a gorgeous art form that's similar and also completely different from mine. And so like all the pop stars, those are my heroes. Those are my gods. I would not be here without JLo.

[A]

You just reminded me about the red carpet clip. When you are in the middle of an interview or ending your interview and JLO comes up.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah. And I cried. I cried so hard. Immediately can't deal with JLo.

[A]

I feel like your reaction was what everyone else assumes their reaction would be had they been graced with the presence of the glowing J.

[B]

Lo.

[A]

Like her in front of you. It was the perfect. It was the perfect example of exactly how I feel like most everyone's brain would be if she just glided up those steps towards them and they were just like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, that's her.

[B]

Like, she was part of my awakening to myself. My mom took me to go see Selena in the theaters, and I, like, bawled my eyes out. That's what I want to do. And so she's such a huge moment for me of where I was like, oh, that's a job. That's what you can do. I want to do that. And so somehow, in all of this time of my life, I had never been. I'd never seen her in person. I mean, I'm sure there were times where we were in the same room, but I had never seen her. And like, to be there with my mom. I don't know if in the clip you can see my mom at all, but, like, my mom's crying. I kept hearing to my mom, she's.

[A]

Like, I know, honey. I know.

[B]

Like, we were both just like, you know, my childhood. Me, like, couldn't believe it.

[A]

That's such a beautiful moment, though, to be able to. To say that to her.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

Like, to be able to. To be able to express your gratitude and being able to be a fan of her and what it meant for your career.

[B]

Oh, no, that's the best. I mean, I still, I still am in the habit, like writing an email to people when they do something, whether it's music or a painting or a movie that I feel like really gets me. I'll write a note, thank them. I actually think, unless. Unless you're somebody that's like, I don't know, even. Even artist. You have to like be perpetually on tour, I think, to be in relation with human people saying thank you. For me, a movie comes out, it's hard for me to grapple with what that success, if it is success, what that even looks like because you're not in dialogue with people. The movies are like, out in theaters. I'm like hiding at home.

[A]

Those conversations are happening independent of you. They're happening removed.

[B]

You sometimes miss that something that you did mattered to somebody. And so even for JLo, there's moments where she has self doubt. I am where I am because of that. To tell her that and also like how amazing it is to be able to say that, like artist to artist, like now here we are like walking the same floor. Like, that's so cool.

[A]

That's such a kind thought to be the type of person who wants to share their gratitude. Cause I think you're absolutely right. It is a feeling that I can only imagine that it is overwhelmingly positive and also few and far between when you reach a certain level of success that people probably just assume that you are so secure and so happy with everything that you wouldn't still appreciate those, those finer moments of gratitude that you were able to express to her.

[B]

Absolutely, absolutely. And about the artistry too, like for the art. It's one thing when, like a, when you person can inspire somebody, which, you know, her work ethic does that too. But I also, I also love. It's part of why like, as somebody who's quite introverted and I get nervous and I like my privacy and I, I'm not like the greatest when it comes to being like the public person that I am, but I found that I really get a lot out of these like meet and greet and fan events, which I started doing a couple years ago, because you get to then have that face to face time and you learn like what a character did for somebody and how it moved them in their life or shifted. Because I'm going through my own stuff in my life too.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

We were talking about throwbacks and one of the throwbacks I would love to bring up to you is 13 going on 30 because it's a movie that I deeply enjoy. You were one of the six chicks. Mm. Do people still bring up this movie or am I the only one?

[B]

No, people do. I think it was one of those things that people used to bring interviews when, when. Because it'd be one of the top credits that would come up if you looked me up just because that movie is so popular. But like I think I only have one line. I just go like, yeah. And so we're also nostalgic and so like we're going back and like watching these movies again. And then it's like delightfully funny to see, you know, however old I was, 14 year old Bri in like this crazy 80s hairdo. It's amazing. And again, I remember feeling so just excited.

[A]

You've been in so many huge movies ever since, including Captain Marvel, which was actually Marvel's first women led movie. Which is crazy.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

I read you weren't sure if you wanted to take on that role at first. Did you ever think you'd be playing a superhero?

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

Because that is unbelievably badass.

[B]

I didn't think that was part of my path. I thought if I could just do small, interesting like best friend roles, character roles. I never ever, ever thought that I would lead a movie. It just felt very clear by how long I'd been auditioning and not getting things that that wasn't my path. But as I was getting in my 20s, I started thinking, well, maybe I started to get interesting roles in indie films in supporting characters. And I was like, well, if I can just do that, that like gives me just enough to pay my bills. And I tend tended at that time to prefer the supporting roles to the leading roles. I thought they were more interesting. And then Marvel was calling what the heck Like, I had gone from the studio system, wasn't casting me in anything. They were always like, oh, you can't be movie because you haven't been in a studio movie. And you're like, what? Like, how? How am I supposed to do this? And so to suddenly be thrust into this, like, incredibly secretive, massive fandom of a world. And after I spoke with the heads at Marvel, I really believed in what the character was. My hesitancy was. I didn't think that I, Brie, could handle the fame that came with it. And so I just started saying, okay, I will. I am going to do this because I know that this character is for me and I'm meant to do this character. And so as I prepare to play this character, I'm also going to prepare Bri. And it's been great. There's no downside. And I got to do what I felt like was my contribution to that corner of the artistic world. And so it was great.

[A]

It's amazing to. Before this, I was reading about the transformation you made prepping for Captain Marvel. It's amazing to hear that while that was happening, you were also going through an intense transformation of how you were preparing for that to hit and two sides of that. It's so amazingly self aware to recognize, like, I need to do the work to prepare for this excitement, but also to know that the role that you were about to play was so meaningful and to a fan base that is so strong and passionate that it was going to hit hard.

[B]

Yeah, well, that part I don't think I could have. I couldn't understand that.

[A]

Prepared for. Yeah, no, no.

[B]

That's like, if you've lived your life basically an anonymous person that nobody really notices to suddenly being like a thing, you're thrust into a conversation that you're like, oh, my gosh, I'm just here. That's not. I'm not part of that conversation. Everybody else can have that conversation. If I ever started to feel overwhelmed, you know, suddenly it's like, I've got a bunch millions more Instagram followers, whatever these things that happen, oh, my God, this is so much. And I'd start to. You panic and you're like, oh, my gosh, I'm never gonna be able to go to the grocery store again. Never gonna be able to buy my own apples or whatever and then go to the grocery store and like, no one cared. The day that Captain Marvel came out, I was on the press tour for it in New York City. We had like a little break in between interviews. I went and took a walk, and I went bikini wax. And. And no one cared.

[A]

To be clear. I want to be clear because you cut out for a second. You said you went and got a bikini wax.

[B]

I did.

[A]

I don't know that there's a more grounding. Like, let me make sure I can still feel something. Yeah. Let me make sure I'm not completely numb. Yeah. Let me get a bikini wax. Yeah. Yeah, It's. It was. That was an outstanding thought.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you. I did discover that my bodyguard was secretly following me the entire time. He's like family to me. He obviously didn't walk into the appointment, but I think knew where. What building I walked into. So I thought walking around by myself. But I still had that little bit of secret support behind me, so I did have that, but. But I was free. As far as I knew, no one cared.

[A]

That's perfect. Now, while we're talking about transforming for a role, I absolutely love your hair. And I saw that you initially cut it for a play that you were in earlier this year. Is that right?

[B]

Yeah, I buzzed it off. So now it's just, like, growing back, and it's kind of like in various stages of awkward grow out, But I'm sort of like, that's life.

[A]

How does it feel to buzz? I'm so. Yes, it's nice.

[B]

I mean, it's just. You don't realize how much time you spend shampooing and brushing your hair until you buzz it off.

[A]

It's. It. Was it freeing?

[B]

Yeah, it was. I mean, I kind of then just got into skincare because I was like. I felt like I had nothing to do anymore. Like, I've. I've always been like a shower person, basically. You step in the shower, and I'd be like, there's nothing to do in here.

[A]

I have time on my hands.

[B]

I had a lot of extra time on my hands. I mean, I stupidly brought with me to London. I brought shampoo and conditioner and was like, wow, it was great. I mean, it was very freeing. And it was also emotional too. It was far more emotional than I thought it was gonna be. It was my idea to shave my head. I'm very used to having to do things that are not me, and you have to live with them outside of being on set. But the buzzed head was more emotional than I realized. Being out in the world with a buzzed head has, like. People have a lot of different feelings about that, about what that means, and it's a very, like, aggressive look. So not how I present myself. In the world. And like, oh, geez. I have to like, buy new clothes because none of my, like, doan prairie dresses make any sense with this buzzed hair. And like, it just. I had to move in this other direction and like, you know, go to dinner with friends with.

[A]

With a buzzed head.

[B]

That felt foreign to me in winter.

[A]

I was just gonna say, how many hats did you buy?

[B]

Bonnets. I had to do bonnets because you want to like, cover everything. Don't really intend to do it again because the grow up process has been. Oh, it's so annoying. Hair really grows slow.

[A]

So the, the key, the goal here is to grow it out because I do think the pixie looks incredible.

[B]

I like it. No, I like it now that it's like. And now that I can put a bobby pin in it, I'm like, woohoo. A long ways away from needing a hair tie, but at least I can change it up a little bit. I do like it, but I've always just. I keep growing my hair until I have to cut it for a job. It's just the simplest. It makes it easier. I don't know what character I'm gonna play. And so you just go grow it.

[A]

Until someone tells you otherwise.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Now my last question for you. I always like to ask my guests about great advice that they have received. What is the best piece of advice for the entertainment industry that you've ever received?

[B]

Oh, my gosh. You know, it's always a funny one because we don't really go around giving advice. But I would say the thing that I really do live by is something that Sam Jackson says on set all the time. I've done like four movies with him and he's like my bestie. And the thing that he always tells people is he says, don't get in the way of my fun. And I love that. And I realized now how I've approached my work too, which is like, my job is a team sport. I am on a set with a lot of different people. Come here to have a good time. Don't get in the way of my fun. And I think everybody can have that.

[A]

You can apply it to life.

[B]

I think so. I think everybody can say with all the love in my heart, don't get in the way of my fun.

[A]

I cannot thank you enough, Bri, for chatting today. Her brand new cookbook, Party People is available now. Thank you so much.

[B]

No, thank you. Wonderful, wonderful.

[A]

That's a wrap. On another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with BRI on my YouTube channel on more Shit Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Remember, I've got a very special, very scruffy guest, so make sure you send in Halloween questions at NGL with Kylie. Follow Not Gonna Lie on all social media. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Not Gonna Lie is a wave original brought to you by Skittles. Thanks again to the real ones for tuning in. I that up I made RA.