CHEATERS, SUGAR DADDIES, AND BISEXUAL MEN

Summary

Podcast Summary: Not Loveline - Episode: CHEATERS, SUGAR DADDIES, AND BISEXUAL MEN

Release Date: May 29, 2025
Hosts: Tana Mongeau and Trish Paytas
Description: NOT LOVELINE is a weekly love, sex, and dating call-in advice show with Tana Mongeau and Trish Paytas, two hosts who are definitely NOT experts but do have a lot of experience.

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Not Loveline, hosts Tana Mongeau and Trish Paytas delve into the complexities of modern relationships, tackling topics such as infidelity, the dynamics of sugar daddy arrangements, and the challenges faced by bisexual men in romantic partnerships. The duo offers candid advice, shares personal anecdotes, and interacts with listeners to navigate the intricate landscape of love and dating.

Cheaters and Relationship Boundaries

The conversation opens with Tana and Trish discussing the intricacies of dealing with cheaters in relationships. They emphasize the emotional turmoil and confusion that arises when trust is broken.

• Tana [32:25]: "If you're gonna stay with him, at least give him a taste of his own medicine. Or just dump him."

• Trish [33:02]: "Don't let them gaslight you, girl."

Both hosts unanimously agree that cheating, regardless of circumstances, warrants serious consideration and often the end of the relationship.

Sugar Daddies and Financial Manipulation

The episode transitions to examining relationships where financial control plays a pivotal role. Tana and Trish caution against sugar daddy arrangements that may mask manipulative intentions.

• Tana [53:29]: "Any man who's doing that, seating in the controlling nature already, like, hate it."

• Trish [54:01]: "It's hard. It's so hard."

They highlight the importance of recognizing red flags such as excessive generosity coupled with controlling behavior.

Bisexual Men in Relationships: Listener Calls

A significant portion of the episode features listener calls seeking advice on navigating relationships with bisexual men. The hosts address concerns about boundaries, trust, and the definition of cheating within the context of bisexuality.

• Tana [32:25]: "He is bisexual. That is cheating."

• Trish [34:36]: "Don't be in a monogamous relationship if you can't be monogamous."

They stress the necessity of clear communication and establishing mutual expectations to prevent misunderstandings and emotional harm.

Personal Struggles and Mental Health

Beyond relationship advice, Tana and Trish share personal stories about physical and mental health challenges, fostering a sense of relatability and support.

• Tana [38:04]: "My back is, like, actually shaped like an S, I think. You're born with it."

• Trish [39:00]: "I am mentally ill and I'm fat. Maybe it's equivalent."

The hosts encourage listeners to seek support and offer empathy for those dealing with similar struggles.

Pop Culture and Music Insights

Interspersed with serious discussions, Tana and Trish engage in light-hearted banter about their favorite artists, concerts, and music preferences, providing listeners with a glimpse into their personal tastes.

• Trish [50:07]: "I just feel like moshing is... just wanna touch each other."

• Tana [51:09]: "I love every album of Justin Bieber."

Their conversations about musicians like Justin Bieber and The Weeknd add a dynamic layer to the episode, balancing the heavier themes with relatable pop culture references.

Final Listener Calls and Advice on Manipulative Behavior

In the concluding segment, another listener seeks guidance on recognizing and dealing with manipulative behavior in budding relationships, particularly concerning financial generosity and control.

• Tana [54:01]: "You don't need to be in a monogamous relationship if you can't be monogamous."

• Trish [55:28]: "Get that Neon carnival. VIP. Yes. Yeah, that's what we're going with."

The hosts advise vigilance, self-worth, and the importance of setting boundaries to protect one's emotional well-being.

Conclusion

This episode of Not Loveline offers a blend of heartfelt advice, personal anecdotes, and pop culture discussions. Tana Mongeau and Trish Paytas effectively navigate sensitive topics, providing listeners with both guidance and comfort. Their open and honest approach fosters a supportive environment for those seeking help with love, sex, and dating challenges.

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Not Loveline continues to be a candid and relatable source for listeners grappling with the complexities of modern relationships, blending humor with sincere advice in every episode.

Transcript

[A]

Men will really have a woman. Be like, I'm just confused over some Is black and white.

[B]

Have you stayed with a cheater? All right. Ooh, what's that song?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I like to sing.

[A]

I feel like they, you know. Did you like in Hannah Montana when they go, ooh, oh, whoa, yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Whoa, whoa. Yeah.

[A]

We should record transitions, like, and then when Jimmy cuts, it's like, us, like, whoa, whoa.

[B]

Okay. I love that. It's like a new segment.

[A]

Yeah. Like, whenever we have to cut out, like, talking about someone or something, the next cut is like, we don't talk a lot of. About people. I shouldn't say that.

[B]

We actually don't like. And I'm not even just saying that. Like, we actually don't. We're kind of like, in our happy air. I always text you, and I'm always like, you're in your peace era.

[A]

Yeah. Trisha has to remind me literally once a week. It's so funny. So. Because somebody will be trying to start some with me, and then we'll see it and we'll be texting about it, and she'll be like, you are in your peace era. And I'm like, oh, thank you, mother. Yes, I know.

[B]

I know. I texted you about that one person. I was like, maybe that was triggering. Let me just remind her that. Don't respond because you're like, yeah, I'm not gonna respond.

[A]

But no, and I appreciate you so much. Y. You really do always remind me that I'm in my piece, Eric. You are. It's so easy when people are, like, poking you as the bear. I'm the bear, you know, and it's like, it's so easy to fall into old patterns and.

[B]

But you've done so good at not responding to people in general, so it's good.

[A]

I think I'm. I've never known the benefits of not responding to people. Right.

[B]

Because I always feel it.

[A]

And it's nice to just be like, wow, that's not another thing on my plate. That's not another thing I have to go talk about on 80 podcasts. It's not another. It's just like, mmip, Sarah.

[B]

And you have, like, same with me with our. With Hot Topics and stuff. It's like, when you have a drama podcast that's, like, about other people, it is so hard to, like, not respond.

[A]

Or not piss people off or, like, you didn't talk about this, and, like, you almost feel like you owe it to the people.

[B]

Yeah. If I'm. I Don't want to be a hot topic, but you know, all day long. But welcome back to Not Loveline. We forgot to do our little pitch last time. Every Friday we have a Patreon video. Go up where it's sexy and hot. Patreon.com not loveline. And if you want to ask questions for us, here, here's the phone number. You can also dial into this number if you want to ask the sexy questions. We have a great producer who divides them. Shout out Devin for dividing the questions in half because people ask all the time, like, who is listening to all these phone calls?

[A]

Devon is.

[B]

Could never. Like, I could never do anything without him. I'm just like, how you were not going to be here? I was like, I had a little panic attack. I was like, let's make something work. Where? Make sure this works out.

[A]

Yeah. We love Devin so much and I just like, it is nice. Cuz it's like if we had to listen to them then like the element of surprise would be gone. Like, and he knows us so well that he finds the best calls.

[B]

And like I also just don't have the. There's just no way. What do you had? We had 1500 calls. There's just no way I could listen all 1500 calls because I would.

[A]

My. He listens to at least a thousand per week. That's wild. I just like, I'm so 80. Like eventually I would go so robotic and like forget how I would be responding and like, it is just so nice. Even like on the Patreon, the last episode we had crazy calls. I was like shout out Devin for finding.

[B]

Oh my God. Just crunching bugs under the feet.

[A]

And we had a girl. She really triggered me, I think.

[B]

Yeah, that's my.

[A]

She was doing some crazy stuff for money that had to do with my biggest fear and I was crashing out. But check it out.

[B]

Check that episode.

[A]

Go check that one out because that was. That was wild. But I'm excited for this because our last one was our yap.

[B]

And this is questions.

[A]

Yeah, and this is our questions. So I'm excited to hear what.

[B]

Just go right into the calls because we yapped for hours. I love a yap session. Me too.

[A]

And we always just do it. We did over Pizza Hut this time. And I'm so full I could throw up.

[B]

We had so much. We had pizza, breadsticks, Cinnabon, Cinnabon, Cinna.

[A]

Sticks, everything Cinna in my hole.

[B]

Bret.

[A]

I don't know why I keep saying in my hole today. And it's like Save it for the.

[B]

Kind of your saying, maybe, but I.

[A]

Just don't love that. Like, objectively, when you hear, oh, in my hole, like, yeah, that's Tana Mongeau.

[B]

Saying, oh, this is our last episode before you go on tour. Our next one will be when you come back.

[A]

Wait, I'm sad.

[B]

I'm sad, too. Wait, I look forward to it all the time.

[A]

Me, too. Truly. Like, I just. It's the best time ever. I was telling you, like, I have to stop myself all the time, too, from, like, texting you little things that remind me of you, because it's like, everything reminds me of you the more we spend time together. And it's really cute.

[B]

Well, please text me anytime, because we'll be, like, traveling at the same time. And whenever I travel, I get really lonely, so just text.

[A]

And we seek refuge in each other, and we just, like, plan little cute things and we dream, and it's nice. We dream. Like, we're just, like, you know, we should do this.

[B]

Or should we dreamers over here.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I'm sad.

[B]

We'll be back.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Nice and cozy. All right.

[A]

Nice and cozy.

[B]

Let's take collar number one. Questions all up episodes.

[A]

I'm, like, delirious, girls.

[B]

Yeah, I've been like that. That's why I was like, literally, it feels almost like a fever dream because of the lights and just, like, everything. And I'm like, am I. Am I here? Am I with it? Am I in this conversation?

[A]

That's. How am I literally here?

[B]

Sometimes I think about that, too. I'm a cure. But then I'm like, hopefully, people, like, I was telling you, like, ever since Sunday, I just feel like I'm in this daze. Like, hopefully people know that I'm just here, but I'm not.

[A]

Hopefully people know I'm a little dazed.

[B]

I'm a little dazed. Yeah, it's been a little crazy, but here we are.

[A]

Yeah. And we're killing it.

[B]

We are killing it.

[A]

I am delirious. So that means my advice will probably be a little crazier. Hi. I just want to say my girlfriend.

[C]

Put me on this show, and now we watch it every time for her to get ready for work. And I'm. Truthfully, this is really interesting. It's my favorite podcast, and I don't really watch podcasts, but I could say, just tuning in, watching you guys, the coolest thing in the world, but, yes, that's just really it.

[A]

I just don't say that.

[C]

I saw your number pop up on the screen.

[B]

I Was like, oh, I gotta call real quick.

[C]

All right, see you guys.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

We never say this, but keep that man Diva.

[B]

We never say that.

[A]

We never say this.

[B]

Oh, keep that man.

[A]

He seemed very sincere, which is also rare.

[B]

It's such a good pot. No, okay. Not to get, like, sad again. Obviously, you're gonna go on tour too. But it's like, literally, that's my favorite thing on tours when the boyfriends come and I'm like, oh, that's so nice of you to come. He's like, no, but. Or they'll wear, like, a T shirt, like a Trisha shirt or something, too, that the girlfriend, like, made him wear. And he's like, I listen to. It's pretty good.

[A]

Yeah. It's so sweet when they actually commit and they're down and they don't care about, like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know what's the. Hello, Toxic masculinity. Like, when they're not afraid to not be masculine and they say, I listen to Not Loveline. I listen to Canceled. I listen to just Trisha.

[B]

Or they want a picture too, and they'll be like, oh, I'll get in one. And then the girlfriend's like, okay, solo one now.

[A]

Yeah. And it's so sweet because then. Not to always bring it back to the negative, Tana, but, like, you'll see the men at the show, too, who are, like, rude.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Being held at gunpoint, judging their girlfriend. Boring. Sitting down the entire time. Silent, mean mugging. Watching the basketball game in the bathroom. And it's like, oh, that is crazy.

[B]

That would, like. Yeah, I like when they just are supportive. Wear pink. Wear a shirt that says Trish. Like, something, you know? So it's literally so nice. It warms my heart. Especially the mean greets. Especially meet and greets. Because you buy two for the meet and greets. And so it's, like, so nice. Like, the boyfriend will be like, she can have my picture. I'll be like, well, let's do ones together too. And then we'll do more. It's like, really, really sweet.

[A]

And it's so. It's just really cute. There are good men in the world and, oh, my God, that's like a good man. Like, I don't even think Makoa would call into a show I'm watching and, like, leave a message like, that. He'd, like, watch it with me. But, like, he called.

[B]

Yeah, he saw the number.

[A]

Yeah, he called in to say, like, I love you guys and I love the Show. That's so sweet.

[B]

Thank you. Yeah, Keep that man.

[A]

Yeah, get pregnant. Trap him. I love that.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah, that is a little crazy.

[B]

That was so sweet.

[A]

It gives us hope, you know, Hope for the mass straight population.

[B]

There's so many good guys out there. I always say that to our shows. Like, people always ask for advice. I'm always like, there's actually a lot more good guys than you think. Because I know so many guys. There's a lot of ones, but there are a lot of good ones, too.

[A]

That is so true. Like opening your heart to good men. I think it's easy to become scorned and jaded and, you know, focus on the negative, but there are a lot of good men in the world.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even saying that, I felt like it wasn't me song.

[B]

Like, where all the good guys gone?

[A]

Ooh. Why do I feel like that's your song?

[B]

I think it's, like, a really popular song in the 80s. Like, I need a hero. I think it's that one. Oh, I'm holding up her.

[A]

Where was that? When I needed a hero, you found one.

[B]

You have a real life superhero. Superhero.

[A]

Not kidding. He's my saving grace.

[B]

I love that name.

[A]

It is good. I love a Hawaiian name. I was. I kind of want to name our baby Ikaika.

[B]

Oh, what's that mean?

[A]

I don't actually know what it means. It's. He's my favorite dealer in Vegas. You talked about this last time. Did we talk about Kaika Ikaika name? What does it mean, though? Sorry. Wait, now I have to know. Hawaiian Devin's like, Tana. You've literally already talked about this. It means strong or powerful.

[B]

Oh, I love that. But that's how all podcasts. If I do you listen to Trixie and Katya.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, their podcast. Like, they have, like, I listen to all 500 of them and they tell the same stories over and over. But, like, you have 500 podcasts and you've been podcasting for, like, five years. Like, how can you.

[A]

And that's kind of what friendship is. I feel like one of my favorite things about, like, a lot of my lifelong friendships is, like, Isabella and I are gonna rehash the same thing that happened in High School 700 times. You know, like, yeah, you know, if.

[B]

You listen to a podcast of mine, you're gonna hear me talk about giving five dollar blows every single podcast.

[A]

I know about this.

[B]

Well, let five dollars.

[A]

That's a good deal.

[B]

2006. So, like, to completions were different. Oh, wow, that's crazy.

[A]

Just. Just a little. Just a little.

[B]

No, no, it has to be to completion. I never had someone be like, all right, that's enough.

[A]

Yeah, I guess that's true.

[B]

Especially, like, on the streets of, like, Santa Monica Boulevard. But I thought it was so cool.

[A]

It is kind of. It's kind of camp. No, I mean, I'm not saying to.

[B]

Go do it, but I thought at the time, I thought it was gonna be, like, Pretty Woman. Like, literally, like, Richard Gere was gonna pull up. Like, it's.

[A]

Would you go, like, behind a building?

[B]

Yeah, there was, like, that alleyway. I don't know if it's still there, but there's, like, storage units on, like, Santa Monica Boulevard and, like, Highland. It's a lot different now. I think there might be apartments there.

[A]

Where David Dobrik used to live. That's funny.

[B]

That's. That's. I used to live in Hollywood. Hollyland. Yeah. I used to live behind there, too. But. Yeah, you just. Or cars. A lot of times. Cars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But a lot of times people would come up on foot, and they're just like, let's just go around the corner. And you're just like, okay, no way. Yeah, it's, like, crazy.

[A]

That's pretty. Still do that probably. But inflation. Right. Tariffs, and it's probably like, 15 bucks.

[B]

I need to figure out this tariffs, because I keep hearing about them. Yeah, it's bad.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

Tom, how do you know about them?

[A]

I had Tick Tock.

[B]

What are they saying on Tick Tock about it?

[A]

The prices are high. Of everything.

[B]

Of what?

[A]

Of, like, everything. And, like, stocks are plummeting. But don't get your information from me. Okay.

[B]

They cancel their stocks.

[A]

Yeah. Like, oh, my God. It's like. I think I know, but I always second guess myself, too. Like, even if I know, I think I 100 know what's happening politically and stuff. I get scared about spreading the wrong information online.

[B]

Yeah. I think. Well, it's probably good because people do spread a lot of misinformation. Yeah.

[A]

And I think even just like, when the election was going on, we'd talk about it on Canceled, and then people would be like, why the You. We would kind of COVID it as if it was like a Kardashian episode. And while Trump does make things feel like reality television, it's like, it's not.

[B]

Yeah. I think. I don't know how people get informed, though, because not to be political, but it's like, yeah, the media just feeds you some Things which they're probably biased too. So what is real? Like, what are we. Feel like, you know what everybody knows.

[A]

These days and see, even me saying that, like, maybe I'm wrong. I don't. I try to learn as much as I can, but there's also just new stuff happening every day.

[B]

You know, I just found out Elon Musk has, like, an office at the White House.

[A]

That you're gonna say has, like, a 30th kid. Well, probably that he's an office at the White House.

[B]

He's, like, in. In office, right? He has, like, a role in the government.

[A]

Can I tell you, weirdly, the first thing that came to my mind was, like, how camp we'd make the White House. I'm imagining me having a section and then you having a section, and then, like, I. Oscar would have a section. You're Oscar for sure.

[B]

What about. You have an Oscar, too? Not bringing him.

[A]

He. He's. He wouldn't make it. Like, I love him. He's just too straight for, like, our White House, you know? Like, I'm trying to think who else would make it.

[B]

I had a guest on Just Yesterday, Sasha Kobe. And I think she'd be good. She was the one saying that has her own coming. Was just a really smart. She's like, an activist.

[A]

And.

[B]

Yeah, she's, like, really great. I was like, you know what? We kind of need her there too. She's also, like, a history buff, so she knows not to repeat it.

[A]

Doesn't the White House have crazy, like, rules? Like, what would our rules be?

[B]

Rules. Like, to live?

[A]

Yeah. Right?

[B]

No. Talk about poop.

[A]

No. Yeah. No talking about poop. That would be one of our rules.

[B]

We were at, like, Virginia, and someone's like, do you want to go see the White House? I was like, not really.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What are we gonna do? Just wave to it?

[A]

Are there any specific secret rules for living in the White House? No opening windows.

[B]

No opening windows.

[A]

Michelle Obama mentioned how excited she was to open a car window once she left the White House. Oh.

[B]

Oh, a car window. That makes sense.

[A]

But all. All windows. You can't. No personal electronics in secure areas.

[B]

You can't have your phone.

[A]

Yeah, I guess not.

[B]

You think she was scrolling through Tick Tock?

[A]

The government? Michelle Obama.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, like, at night, I wonder, because they are just people like us. Do you ever think about that? Like, I mean, people are just people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are they just scrolling through TikTok?

[A]

Oh. Because why do I feel like Kamala is now I'm trying to think of. I Would think, well, remember when Michelle Obama made all the lunches, like, vegetables? Like, you think she's looking up, like, veggie recipes or something?

[B]

She made all the lunches. Vegetables were in schools.

[A]

Yeah, I remember, like, our school, like, went from, like, less fried food to, like, vegetables. And I was like, michelle, what the.

[B]

Oh, you were mad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's trying to make you out the.

[A]

Air and you're like, well, yeah. Cause I had. Just looking back now, that was a good thing, you know? But I didn't know that at the time.

[B]

That would be me probably, too.

[A]

Our school lunches were so good. Do you remember yours?

[B]

Ours were bad. We had, like, the smiley potatoes with, like, tomato soup.

[A]

Same. Yeah. It was, like, bad, bad food, but, like, it was good to me. We'd have spicy chicken sandwiches, and they were never cooked all the way through.

[B]

Rubbery.

[A]

Yeah. But we dip them in nacho cheese. And I would do anything for one right now.

[B]

I would just eat cinnamon pop tarts and zebra cakes out of the vending machines.

[A]

Yum. A zebra cake. Levitational collab with Little Debbie.

[B]

That would be so fun.

[A]

You should.

[B]

You know they have cream pies. Did we talk about this? They have oatmeal cream pies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why would you name it?

[A]

I know which came first, the cream pie or the.

[B]

Oh, I've cream.

[A]

Yeah. The cream pie or the green pie.

[B]

And Debbie needs to rebrand that.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Little Debbie cream pie. I'm like, that's crazy. And it looks like one.

[A]

Yeah. And they like, even coconut cream pie.

[B]

Like where?

[A]

Like coconut cream pie.

[B]

Oh, looks like it.

[A]

No, that's just like, it's in the name cream. Right.

[B]

But the. I think the Little Debbie ones have the. So the cookie that squishes it.

[A]

Yeah. So it kind of is giving that. I get what you're saying.

[B]

It probably was first Little Debbie and then probably the position.

[A]

Oh, and then. Do you think people named it that.

[B]

After it looks like that little cookie.

[A]

It's like, what came first, the chicken or the egg? Like, we gotta get to the bottom of this. I think you're right, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Little Debbie came first before that term. Someone let us know in the comments.

[B]

That's the Patreon. You know, I love my Little Debbie cream pies.

[A]

Yeah, you're. You're cream pie crush.

[B]

I just didn't think I'd want to have sex if I couldn't have a little Little Debbie after. You know what I mean? Sorry. We're going to Patreon.

[A]

You're actually my soulmate I love you so much.

[B]

The lights. And also, like, I always say this, but the hearts always come off the walls when I look at you.

[A]

I'm. No, I agree. There's, like, a few behind you, and I'll be like. And then I swear, that photo of you and Moses as the idol, I'll start to, like, see the whole idol. Like, the whole show. Like, you guys are driving down. They are, Bryant.

[B]

They are bright. Did you see Jenna Ortega in the new weekend movie? The.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah, she's in, like, a stalker movie that he directed. Yeah. And it looks scary. Like, they show, like, a movie poster, and she looks kind of.

[A]

What's it called? Do we know? Is it out yet? No. Hurry up tomorrow. Hurry up tomorrow. Oh, my God. I can't wait. I love a Thriller, and I love Jenna Ortega. Even in the Scream, I thought she did. So good news. Breaking news.

[B]

All right. She's not in it.

[A]

She's not gonna be in the next.

[B]

She's not in the next Scream. Oh. She said, I'd rather work with new directors than go with a franchise. That's. But stupid move. I mean, love her. But also, like, stupid franchises are franchises for a reason.

[A]

Like, I also, like. I love Scream so much. Scream is my favorite franchise of movie ever. Like, probably. Yeah. I'm trying to think of another franchise I love as much as Scream.

[B]

You and Shane.

[A]

Not Minions.

[B]

We're just talking about how you love Ranch. Like, him. Maybe you guys were, like, supposed to be soulmates. You love Ranch. He's, like, obsessive.

[A]

Ranch and Scream are the most, like, common things to love, literally ever. That's so funny. Oh, my God. See me loving Scream. Think about it. You got to really envision these. Okay? Me loving Scream. I have pink little ghost face nails. I love Courtney Cox. Like, do you? Especially in Scream. Like, honestly, even over friends, I love her on Scream. And, like, imagine me with the ghost face mask and, like, lingerie. Then imagine, like, Shane Dawson loving Scream. Like, he's gonna. It's different. It's camp.

[B]

I get that. Yeah. That. I see that more. I once did a game show with Courtney Cox and David Arquette, partners. And it was a, like, it was called Celebrity Name Game. And I had to, like, I know that show. Yeah. Me and my mom were partners. And then you switched partners. First it was David Arquette, and then we switched with Courtney Cox, our cat. And Courtney did not get any of our clues, but David, he crushed it. He knew all of our clues.

[A]

How do I watch this tonight? I'm gonna watch It. I'm gonna be up till the morning. I have a lot of things.

[B]

Craig Ferguson. We got pretty far, actually. My mom and I beat the other couple and then, like, we made it pretty far.

[A]

We should do something where we just react to all your shows. Have you ever for Patreon or anything?

[B]

Not, like, fully. I don't know where that one would be fully.

[A]

It's because I feel like you'd remember so many, so much lore of, like, in the moment, like, why you wore what you wore, who the. How that producer was to you.

[B]

Like, oh, I remember, like, all that stuff too. And I remember. I remember I was a little disappointed, though, with our celebrity partners because I thought we're going to get, like, Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston.

[A]

And do they have ones like that for Celebrity Name?

[B]

Oh, actually, they were the biggest of the show in the first episode and they were the biggest, but they were also like, the producers of the show, so I suppose that's why they were on. And then the other ones, I didn't really know who they were.

[A]

It's so cool that you've just been casting in every television show ever.

[B]

That one was fun.

[A]

Did you ever do Wheel of Fortune?

[B]

Oh, no. That's like one I would love. We could go on there. They have doubles where you can go on and together.

[A]

I just saw Chance the Rapper on there, too. It was after I was watching Pop Culture Jeopardy. They just started playing Wheel of Fortune. I was like, why is Chance the Rapper on Wheel of Fortune? And I love Chance the Rapper.

[B]

So I was like, oh, I don't know him. Oh, but you know who came up the other day on Trish Crave was the person we talked about last episode, Role model. How do you know him? Thank you so much to Kickoff for sponsoring today's episode. Let's be real. When your credit isn't perfect, it can really feel like the system is stacked against you. Even if you're responsible with money, bad credit can keep you from moving forward. Getting a car, renting an apartment, buying a house. That's where Kickoff comes in. Kickoff gives you your smartest tools to build real credit fast. Sign up without a credit check and Kickoff's monthly plan. Start targeting key credit factors in the background, which can mean real results before you know it. This happened to me with credit. Credit is super important. Even if you have the money to pay those bills, if you're not making those automatic on time payments, it can really ding your credit. And credit is everything. Sometimes if you have no credit, it's Also not good either. People want to see that you can make on time payments that you're responsible. With Kickoff, it is easy to help build up that credit and show responsibility. Remember that Kickoff is a credit line for credit building. Not everyday spending. Users with credit under 600 grew an average 84 points in their first year with transparent, affordable plans starting at just $5 a month. No hidden fees and zero interest. Kickoff helps you score big when it comes to credit. It's simple you make on time payments. Credit bureaus see good behavior and your credit can grow fast. Kickoff is affordable, easy and efficient to use. Start building credit immediately for only $1 on your first month. Autopay helps you build credit while you sleep. And never worry about missing a payment. Sign up in minutes from your phone. No credit. Check and cancel any time. Kickoff is a safe and trusted credit Solution with over 1 million users and hundreds of thousands of positive reviews. There's a reason why Kickoff is the number one credit build on the App Store. So start building credit with Kickoff today and you can get your first month in as little as $1. That's 80% off the normal price. When you go to getkickoff.com notloveline today, that's kickoff without the C. Get K-I K O F F.com notloveline must sign up via getkickoff.com Notloveline to activate offer offer applies to new Kickoff customers. First month only. Subject to approval Office subject to change average 1st year credit score impact of plus 84 points Vantage score 3.0 between January 2023 and January 2024 for kickoff credit count. Users who started with A, who paid on time and who had no delinquencies or collections added to their credit profile during the period. Late payments may negatively impact your credit score. Individual results may vary. Thank you so much to Kickoff for sponsoring today's episode. You remember you brought him up and I was like, Tana told me at Role Model. And then the next day someone's like, role Model signs Trisha Paytas's name on his stage.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

And it was like I forgot he.

[A]

Did he put your name on the side.

[B]

But how do you know him? Because I was trying to figure out. I know him through Tana. But like, how do you know him?

[A]

I have like, known him since he was like, like and of him and known him since he was like a small artist. I've always loved his music. I sound like such a hipster. I'm like, I've loved him since the beginning. Like these so me. That's all. I mean but. And now he's just huge. He's blown up like on some Sabrina Carpenter, on some Charlie xcx. Who did he date? Who did he. He dated? Oh, I'm an idiot. Explaining role model so poorly right now. He dated Emma Chamberlain.

[B]

I love how you describe.

[A]

I should have led with that.

[B]

That's right. That's what you said last night. That's how I remembered him. Because you're like, oh, he dated. Yeah, he brought out Renee Rapp I guess at one of his shows.

[A]

And he's just certain male musicians will kind of be more for the girls and the gays and like even just how we were talking about how like the Matt Rifes of the world will have a female audience but then they won't cater to their female audience or they'll act above it. I feel like you see that a lot in music as well. Like, you know, like role models very much for the girls. Like he, he knows that. He knows that and he plays into it like he's writing Trisha Paytas on this set and he's like on Tick Tock like making little funnies.

[B]

What song does he sing? Like what's a big one? Can you sing one Sally?

[A]

That's all I know.

[B]

Singer, rapper, singer.

[A]

A singer. I would have. I cannot sing you role model right now. I'd have to like play it for.

[B]

You because I sing it earlier. You're like o. I like when people sing it. I mean I'd rather someone sing it.

[A]

It's like a lot of this like a lot of like indie Harry Styles vibe kinda. I love it. Now I want to hear this song in the car. Your kids even like it's very. Oh, oh, I didn't think about that.

[B]

For my kids.

[A]

Role model is kind of kid friendly.

[B]

For my 2 year old.

[A]

Some of them. Yeah. Dancer in the living room with them.

[B]

I think they're wheels on the bus.

[A]

Yeah, we'll stick with wheels on the bus for the kids. But I think that you like I'll just go myself.

[B]

It's like for your 10 month old. Listen to this.

[A]

But I think you would love role model.

[B]

Okay, I'm down.

[A]

If you got into the lore, if.

[B]

I DM him, will he DM me back?

[A]

Like I want him to come to my.

[B]

I need a guest for my LA show.

[A]

I feel like he would.

[B]

I need someone. I just saw that he signed my name so I was like, well maybe I should be like, do you want to come? But also is he like Big. It might look stupid to even ask, like.

[A]

No, but why do I think he would.

[B]

He's big, but he's not big. He has like 700,000 on Instagram.

[A]

Really? But, like, the music's big and his shows are big. But I do think that he would do something like that because he's with the girls and the gays. Like, he, like, gets it, you know, he would be like, this would be iconic. Oh, my God. I wonder if he would ask her to be a Sally at a show. He, like, brings out a girl. Renee Rapp was the Sally of the night. Jake Shane was a Sally. Jake Shane was a Sally.

[B]

Oh, he's really in the world of influencers, huh?

[A]

Yeah, he does kind of like mesh.

[B]

It's giving, like, one less lonely girl.

[A]

Yes, it's exactly.

[B]

I would have loved to have been that girl. I'm really in my Justin Bieber phase right now and I sing it at my show every night. Yeah.

[A]

What are you saying?

[B]

For all the times that you rained on my booty?

[A]

No way.

[B]

And the crowd gets really into it because I'm like always 10 years behind. But they love it and they clap to it.

[A]

Love yourself.

[B]

Yeah. And I didn't want to write a song.

[A]

It's the best song ever. Ed Sheeran wrote that.

[B]

Well, that's how I saw. Okay. God. That's all right. We're yapping. And I promise we'll go longer if we need to for the questions. But yes, that's how I saw it. Cuz Bunny Blanco is all over my timeline. So then I start watching and I'm engaging, like, love Benny Blanco. So I'm engaging it. So then more stuff comes up. Then I saw Benny Blanco and Ed Sheeran on the bus writing songs together. So I started watching that. And so I heard that song. I was like a song.

[A]

I remember, like, where I was when that came out.

[B]

Well, I didn't. I heard Ed Sheeran singing. I was like, that's pretty good. And then Justin Bieber came up singing it. I was like, wait a second. Like, I was like, blown away. I was so obsessed with it.

[A]

It's so sorry at the time it came out, like, too late now to say sorry. Everyone was losing their mind because it was like, everyone thought it was about Selena. Like, it was such a time.

[B]

That's a brilliant song too. And just the way Justin sings it. And I miss him more than just you, but I'm really. I really missed the Justin Bieber train. I definitely was on, like, probably doing the five dollar blow in Hollywood at the time. Because I don't remember Justin Bieber era at all.

[A]

And like, baby, even when that came out, like all the little girls going.

[B]

Back to that era, the little soup cut, I'm like, but I don't like that as much as the purple.

[A]

Watch every single documentary of his tours. You'll be like, gag documentaries. Yes. Like his tour documentaries. And they'd come out in theaters and people would go for weeks. Like, no one could do that. You know, Like I'm. It's.

[B]

Yeah, the more I find out about it, I'm like, the more I feel sad because I feel like the world like failed him. Just seeing like all those older women kind of like grope him and kiss him and like, touch his butt and stuff like that failed just to be.

[A]

Even the way men were to him. That's why I such a soft spot for him. It's cuz it's like all he ever wanted to do. I'll cry even right now, I love him so much. Is like, share his gift with the world.

[B]

And like, and even as a child, you see the mom, like, just pushing him because he, like, loves his, like, talent. He loves to sing and he's excited to do. And he's so sweet. He was like Britney back in the day. Like, his interviews are so sweet and humble, like funny, full of life. And then now I don't know anything about it. I don't want to speculate, but obviously he's like manic. Posts on Instagram. Like, he'll post like feed post after feed post for like 15 minutes straight. And it's like, you know, you just hope those people are like, okay.

[A]

Even like Ellen. He was in the Ellen show. He kept the Ellen show alive for like five years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To have been like this again.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, tired. Okay. Ellen's hitting on me, right?

[B]

You on every podcast they go on me. Jeff, you're keeping us alive. You're the Justin Bieber.

[A]

It's different. That's so different now.

[B]

You could be like so busy. You're like, I'm coming. I'm coming at minutes.

[A]

Which is nice to me. You know, today I walk in and I cheetah top and a skirt looking mid as. By the way, I did my makeup on Mulholland Drive in the car like this, like, hair's dirty as. And she goes, you look just like Halle Berry. Look at this photo. And she's showing me the. This photo of Halle Berry going, this is you.

[B]

I was like, Halle Berry and the Flintstones. Tana's outfit Today you didn't get to see the full thing because she was sitting, but she looked. You were giving Halle Berry.

[A]

Yeah, I'm like a Percocet.

[B]

No, you look so pretty. And I was like, wow, you look really gorgeous.

[A]

I just love you.

[B]

Justin Bieber on this podcast. I just. I really love him.

[A]

I love him more than anything in the world.

[B]

I'm a new believer. But I get really.

[A]

I can tell you everything. I'm trying to think of any other things you should, like, really go down the rabbit hole. His YouTube series is really enlightening on his, like, life. He weirdly did this, like, YouTube documentary series with YouTube. So it was like, budge. Like a reality show. I think it was called Journals. Not Journals. Something else. No, later. Later in life. About Haley and, like, his marriage with her and all of that and like, doing about life. Coaches and dealing with Lyme disease and like, all the different things and seasons and that's really good if you want some more inside disease. Yeah, right.

[B]

That same thing. Selena Gomez.

[A]

Lupus. God.

[B]

Wow. Why do they. Oh. Oh, my God. They're okay. Why is it the child stars? That's so sad.

[A]

I know.

[B]

But I have sympathy now for even Haley because we talked a lot about her on Hot Topics. I didn't. Could not. I did not know who Haley's Lena. Like, I didn't. I knew who they were. I just didn't know anything about them. So I was kind of, like, getting into the drama. But then I was kind of like, she's probably dealing with stuff, too. They have a little baby and Justin probably goes through and then she has to deal with this.

[A]

I don't think there's anything Haley could ever do where people would necessarily be nice to her. And I think that is sad. I also think there's just so much off camera that people that even just like a lot of people. I know that. No, Haley or Justin always say that every time they're together, they're all over each other and so happy. And he's all over her specifically.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, they had a baby together, so.

[A]

Yeah. And it's just. I think that whole situation is, like, sad for everybody involved.

[B]

And Selena, too. She's like, let me probably.

[A]

It probably did break her heart and he probably wasn't the best to her and, like, you know what I mean? And all that. Like, I just, like, want peace for everybody. And I'm so sick of, like, I don't know, actually picking a side. Like, it's just kind of like, I don't know. It's just the pitting women of it all too. Like, it's your age. Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber, I think is like a little older than me. Young, 29, right?

[B]

Obviously, yes.

[A]

30, maybe 31. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so he's quite a bit younger than me because I was like, I don't remember this phenomenon I did.

[A]

I got put on to Justin Bieber because I was in middle school and he was like near my age. And so like in middle school it was like the crush, right?

[B]

He's always a little older that you like. Yeah, everyone like NSYNC was like six years older than me, but like they were.

[A]

And then everyone hated him. Like, Baby by Justin Bieber was the most disliked video on YouTube for like 10 years. Like, only, like my generation liked him at that time. Like, all the adults were just hating on this kid for like sad.

[B]

Like, how do you hate on this like, child?

[A]

And he almost had to like clap back and be like, okay, well every. All these girls love me. Like, you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. And like that, of course they're gonna like spiral a little bit. Like the peeing in the buckets and stuff like that. Like, I would too. Like, people would piss me off.

[A]

He couldn't go anywhere, do anything. He's like one of the. I feel like there's the generation of like the Lindsay's and the Paris's and Kim and Brittany who got it really bad with fame, but in our generation, like Bieber arguably got it like the worst.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And he's like also like a little boy, you know what I mean? Like a little child when he started and I was like, it's kind of.

[A]

Robbed of his childhood. Hated for no reason. I think my takeaway also, I guess is like, I would start peeing in buckets too if everyone hates me for no reason.

[B]

Yeah, because like, how do you like even handle that trauma? Like, how do you like channel that out? Like, it's like so crazy, but.

[A]

And then drugs, money, you're pulling the battery in the world.

[B]

I didn't know you were a believer.

[A]

To my core.

[B]

I didn't know that. I love it. I ordered like every merch there ever was of Justin Bieber. I got like little backpacks coming.

[A]

I have a toothbrush that I only use on special occasions that sings well. He had two tunes back in the day.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

I have lots of like weird Bieber. I love him.

[B]

He's like, weird. He's like very talented too. His like voice is.

[A]

He is. Oh my God, I'm gonna send you, like, a list of my top five performances, please.

[B]

I want to.

[A]

You need to see. He does Fast Car by Tracy Chapman on BBC Radio, and that's one of my favorites of all time.

[B]

Do you have a tiny desk? I need to watch it.

[A]

Yes, he does. But it was during COVID so it wasn't like, at the tiny desk. Yeah, but it was good. Really good. Every album is so good, too. I love that you love Tiny Desk.

[B]

I love it. I love watching all the performances on there.

[A]

All right, should we take a call?

[B]

Next question.

[A]

I hope our next call is about Justin Bieber.

[B]

We took one, right? This is our second call. Oh, it wasn't a call.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It was just praise. Just someone praised us, and now we're talking about ourselves. Jeff, this is the bisexual episode.

[B]

Oh, bisexual episode. Here we go.

[A]

That's. Sorry.

[B]

Hi, Chris.

[C]

Hi, Tana. I just have some. I have a question about my boyfriend. He is bisexual, and this is, like, a known thing. We've been dating for about five months, and he recently just told me that he made out with a boy when he went to a club or whatever with his friends. And he was kind of taken back when I was upset about it. And so he's kind of like, it's a boy. Like, it's not cheating. And I just don't know what to think because. What do you mean, it's not cheating? And so I like, should I be upset? Am I, like, not supposed to be upset? I'm just confused. Just because it's a boy. Like, you know, and I just don't know what he meant by it's a boy. You shouldn't be upset. Like, it's. No, I didn't go and kiss another girl, but I love you guys, and I just need some advice on that.

[A]

I love you too. Men will really have a woman being like, I'm just confused over some. Is black and white.

[B]

Also, he's bisexual. That is cheating. Like, he likes men, too.

[A]

Oh, what? It's a girl next weekend, and it's. You know what I mean? Like, it just.

[B]

That's crazy. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

[A]

It's a girl next weekend, or it's a guy every weekend, or it's. No, you should go. Like, you should go five girls. And then come back to him and be like. Like, I feel five girls. And then he's gonna be like, what the. You cheated on me. And you could be like, well, it's a girl, so.

[B]

Right. We don't Even know she's bisexual, so maybe it doesn't affect her the same way. But if he's, like, into men, like.

[A]

He'S obviously, even if you're not bisexual, like, just commit for the bit, you know?

[B]

But as much of an impact as she doesn't like it, but he likes guys, you know, I mean, maybe she likes girls. I don't know. We don't know her sexuality. But I'm saying, like, you know, she's a girl. It's like not doing as much for her as him being with a guy. Because he's, like, into guys.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my God. And that's so crazy because, like, what I'm gathering from this is that he, like, gas lit out of her. Like, if I'm filling in the blanks here, carry the four, subtract the two. He gaslit the out of her, you know?

[B]

Yeah. That's so annoying to be like, that's not cheating. I'd be like, bye. I would divorce immediately.

[A]

And even just like, her being like, oh, I'm confused. Like, am I wrong? And it's like, I know.

[B]

Don't let them gaslight you, girl.

[A]

Boss, please, always, like, even if you're gonna, like, receive that from a man, like, always, just know in your right mind, like, you know in your right mind that you're not wrong. Wrong. And you shouldn't be confused, you know, because it's like, that is wrong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, that's crazy town.

[B]

That's cheating.

[A]

And I like, I know that there are a lot of couples and I definitely, like, understand how some people say, like, okay, well, I'm dating this girl. But then, you know, our girls will date a guy and they'll be like, that guy can never do for me what girls do. And then they work out something where, like. But just to go do it and then tell you and then like, like, that is cheating. And I don't like it. It's like, no, it's definitely. You guys could work out a little a once a month plan if you needed to, I guess.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But also, like, people. It's like, don't be in a monogamous relationship if you can't be monogamous.

[B]

That, that, that, that, that, that. Yeah, it's just like, you don't need to be like, monogamy is not for everyone. Don't do it if you're gonna cheat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So many people are open.

[A]

I think you should kiss some girls in front of him or something. Like, I really think that if you're gonna stay with him at Least give him a taste of his own medicine. Or just dump him.

[B]

Dump him is the name of the podcast.

[A]

Yeah. Because that's hard. Because it's like she. Let's say she doesn't dump him, right? And she stays with him and then this becomes like a regular thing.

[B]

Have you stayed with a cheater?

[A]

Kinda like, not really, no. But I've been like, on and off with someone and we'd both kind of like on each other and stuff and just be.

[B]

But it wasn't like a serious relationship.

[A]

It just like, was normalized in our, like, up world that we were living in. But anytime anyone's ever. I've like, caught a super monogamous relationship, I try. I've like, ended it just because, like, I don't know.

[B]

Really. So you found out someone cheated and then you're like, we're done.

[A]

Yeah. But the thing is, as well, every time that's ever happened to me, it was usually someone that I wanted to break up with anyways. Okay, so. And it's like, so weird, anytime I would ever be with someone I didn't want to be with, I would pray to God and be like, God, please give me the balls to break up with this person. Please help me. Like, whatever. And then like, I'd catch them cheating and I'd be like, yo, thanks.

[B]

Oh my God. So you're a believer and a believer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

It's kind of strange.

[B]

Yeah. I definitely stayed with cheaters, like, in my early relationship. Relationships. I always did. I was always just like, well, that's what people do.

[A]

Yeah. And that's true too.

[B]

Just like, I was like, in love. I was so in love. And I was just like, it's fine. And they just keep cheating.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. And it sucks and it hurts. Like, and I'm obviously jealous and very sensitive, so it would just hurt and insecure. So it hurts.

[A]

That's hard. Like, very hard.

[B]

Like, cheating is like the worst. But I've stayed with cheaters.

[A]

Yeah, I understand how, like, if I was madly, madly in love with someone, like, that's a completely different ballpark, you know, it's like, wait, yeah, I love you. And then like. And I've definitely had, like, situations, situationships with people where I'm praying for them to date me and they just want other people. But that's like the same thing.

[B]

Yeah, that's so sad too, you know?

[A]

Yeah. It's just. At what point is the person not just exploring their bisexuality, but just exploring being a hoe? Right. Like, where is the line where it's like. It's one thing if it's like, you want your partner to experiment, but at the same time, it's like, then you should do that on your own. I think so, too.

[B]

I think don't be in a relationship if you're exploring, figuring it out. Like, yeah, do that single. Because there's so many single people that don't mind that. That want, don't care about a hookup. You know what I like. But when you're, like, committed someone and, like, the longer you're with someone, the more attached you become, and it's just like, obviously you don't want that person to be more attached. So if you do leave her or whatever, it's just gonna be like.

[A]

And then it's just, like, sad. Yeah, because it's, like, sad for both parties almost, because it's like you're dragging this person along through your, like, baggage and exploration, and it's not equal in that sense, you know? So I hate that for you, and I'm so sorry. And it's so crazy that he's trying to gaslight you. I think that's why my mind goes to, like, on him back, you know, like, do something crazy. But that's just the crazy.

[B]

It's hard for a bisexual man. Being attracted to everybody is very difficult because I've been there. It's just like, damn, I'm attracted to literally every human being on this earth. At least if you're, like, hetero, you're only attracted to one, so you're only, like, dealing with temptation half the time.

[A]

I feel that.

[B]

Then it's just like, God, everyone you see, it's just, like, hot potential. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I agree with you.

[B]

Time to lay back. No, you're good.

[A]

My. My scoliosis is acting up.

[B]

Yeah, we're getting an ottoman. Next time you're here, we'll have the ottomans.

[A]

No, but I'm still vibing. Don't worry. It acts up everywhere.

[B]

What's up with. These chairs are crazy.

[A]

My back is, like, actually shaped like an S, I think.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah. You were saying that. How do you get that?

[A]

You're born with it.

[B]

Oh, you're born with it.

[A]

Yeah. And then I'm sure, like, certain things make it worse over life. Like, you know, not treating it and, like. Yeah. The only thing I could do is get a surgery with poles in my back, though, so I don't want that forever for life. Yeah. And, like, imagine that'd be awful. Like, that's scary. People who do that are brave.

[B]

You never talk about your scoliosis. Like you should have. That should be your platform.

[A]

You should be the scoliosis awareness committee. You know what? All scoliosis girls out there unite. Because it is kind of brutal. I'm not going to lie. You have scoliosis on al. Wow.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

And we still thrive.

[B]

I have no ailments that I know of, but I am mentally ill and I'm fat. Maybe it's equivalent. You know, sometimes you just want to feel. I don't know what the word is. Like, I just want to feel like I have a str. Like not to say I don't have a struggle because I am mentally ill, but I feel like I need to like have more of struggles and you know, in the world.

[A]

But you're. You're out there for the thriving girlies, I think especially at this time in your life, you know, you. And you. You've.

[B]

Right, you've struggled. You've struggled. I guess the $5 bls have been a little bit of a struggle. That's some mandala list for sure.

[A]

You know, you had a crying on the kitchen floor moment. You know, I see.

[B]

So my struggles. But what were my struggles? I look back and like, I was struggling, but with what? Myself? The demons in my head, I guess.

[A]

But that's real.

[B]

Yeah, but I never have like. I mean, scoliosis. That's something to complain about. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, I guess that's true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I should be think about it even more. No, I'm honestly always about it.

[B]

Okay. I never.

[A]

I really am. Like every day even. Right?

[B]

Do a little run for scoliosis. Little walk for scoliosis.

[A]

Yeah, do a little lay. That's what I should do. You know how people do like walks for like breast cancer? I want to do like a lay for scoliosis.

[B]

A lay.

[A]

Everyone comes in lays. Instead of walking.

[B]

That she met like that girl who. Who does like 100 men in one day. What is that girl?

[A]

Bonnie Blue?

[B]

Yeah. Like you're just gonna lay with like 100 people? Well, I was like, that's crazy.

[A]

Oh my God. She is. That was. That is wild.

[B]

I know. I always feel like you should reach out to her. The chairs are crazy. I'm like leaning back in silk pajamas.

[A]

It's. Yeah, it's like I have to like lean on this end to give myself some lumbar.

[B]

Exciting. I feel like I should reach out to her and be like, are you okay? Cuz I don't think she is.

[A]

I. It's so interesting because I'm pro, like all things really. But there's something about that that just feels sad. Really sad. Yeah.

[B]

I think it's just gonna traumatize her in like the long run. I know she's like young now and even me back in the day, I would have thought that was so cool. I probably would have been that girl for sure. Like, Hunter, guys, let's go. But I just know that trauma that endures after that ptsd. And that's why it makes me sad. But also like, I was good on.

[A]

Her for the endurance.

[B]

Good on her for the endurance. And I also tweeted that's like, we should be just looking at these men. Be like, you're disgusting. What are you doing?

[A]

Yeah, why do you want to be one of 99 lined up and Matt.

[B]

Masks, like just being disgusting and show your faces if you're gonna do this.

[A]

Yeah, so true. Anyways, that is so gross. Like, imagine like dating a guy and later down the line he was like, I was one of the 1057 men who lined up to Barney Blue. Honestly, it's so much worse than her. I'd be like, you need a lobotomy. Yeah, like, it's like a pop up shop.

[B]

Yeah. Actually it's like pop up vaginas.

[A]

This is a good connect.

[B]

Okay, we have another one.

[A]

My ears are popping and ringing. I'm hearing. Yeah.

[C]

Hey, Trisha and Tana. I love you guys so much. Tana, please come to Canada. But I was just wondering if I could get advice on like healing after a breakup. I had this breakup with this one guy and I honestly before getting together, I genuinely thought he was gay and like he was my gay bestie. And he said he was bisexual and that he was into me. And I was like, okay, see him play. I really like him as a person. I love spending time with him. We end up dating for like two weeks. Okay. And I, I said I would date you, but there was like only one condition is like, I just don't. I'm not comfortable with you posting booty pics while we're dating. And I don't know, I. And then later on, like, he said that I would like towards them in the relationship. He's like, I don't know. Like, I was really. And he was like, I feel like I'm restricting myself. I feel like I'm not being true to myself. Then he called me, he called me annoying gang. And it's damn. Like it's damn been near like seven months. Like it's A whole pregnancy since the breakup. And I genuinely. I don't know, I feel like I'm going crazy. Like, am I crazy? Like, am I the villain for, like.

[A]

She said it's a whole pregnancy. Like, she's just saying an amount of time.

[B]

Oh, I was so confused too. I was like, wait, what?

[A]

Yeah, okay. I loved the metaphor. Diva. Keep going. Sorry.

[C]

Wanting that from someone. Like, I don't know. I don't know. And I see him at my gym all the time. Time. And it's like, I think that's what's, like, playing a part and, like, why I keep thinking about him. But it's like Loki. The only gym I can afford at the moment because I'm a student, so. Advice police. Thank you. Love you guys.

[A]

Oh, poor thing. I'm cracking my jaw, I'm yawning, my ears are ringing. I'm falling apart. I'm not Loveline right now.

[B]

It's not even that late. It's like, what, 7:30, something?

[A]

I know I just might be just unhealthy.

[B]

Oh, it is getting late night.

[A]

So she's dating this guy who she thought was her gay bestie. He ends up being bisexual. Sounds like the dream starting off. But the dream quickly turned to a nightmare when he would not stop posting booty pics. I would love to see them. Like, I would just love to know, was it grid? Was it story? Big difference. Snapchat or Instagram? Big difference. Clothed or unclosed?

[B]

Is he setting the timer or someone taking it?

[A]

Yeah, it's like on my lower angle or head on? Like, I have so many. Any questions?

[B]

The booty pics are wildly popular with men these days. Straight and gay people love to post a booty pic. Oh, is it like clothes or naked too? It's like in a thong.

[A]

I want to know all of these things, but I do understand how you know that's your partner. And it's kind of like you posting titty pics, right? Like, it's a little much. Maybe when you're dating. And then he called you annoying.

[B]

Hate that right away.

[A]

That's like the biggest insult. Arguably.

[B]

Annoying is crazy from your partner that you have like, sex with. Like, what annoying?

[A]

I'll show you, you annoying. Annoying's like my trigger, weirdly. And I know I'm annoying, so it's like, what?

[B]

But you shouldn't be annoying to the person you love. Like, everyone annoys me, but. Except for Moses. But like, everyone else annoys me. Is that cuz you'd be annoyed by someone? Like, you're in love. How did you date someone you're annoyed with?

[A]

And like, certain insults are much easier to shake off. I think annoying hurts because it's essentially saying like, dim yourself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who you are.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, it's like that hurts on such a deep character level. And I just want to let you know there are a thousand people out there who would welcome your energy and want more of it. Right. Like, don't. I've been called annoying so many times and I just had to find someone who was down for that.

[B]

No. And he looks at you. Did you see that? I think you did. I saw you comment on it where it's like the way Makoa looks at Tana. It was like, I don't know what you were doing. You were like screaming at the camera. But he was like looking at you like lovingly.

[A]

He was like, so yeah, it's mind blowing to me. Like I'll be like, actually like smearing on the walls and he's like smiling at me from across.

[B]

Smiling at you.

[A]

Like, are you ill? Like, are you sick?

[B]

That's what I'm saying. Because like some people would be like, oh my God, that's so annoying. Like, why are you so loud or something?

[A]

But he's just like loving exactly like you. You, no matter how much you are, you don't have to dim your sparkle for somebody. I'm trying to. She was saying they broke up and now she has to go to the gym like, and see him there and.

[B]

Switch gems, I guess.

[A]

I know that sucks, but she was saying it was the only membership she could. So like, like, could have, I think, I hope it's embarrassing if that's not what she said.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that that's annoying. You never want to like see your ex every day. Right? And like, that's so much harder to make the like divide as well. I think when you're like seeing an ex a lot, it's like prevalent in your mind. But don't beat yourself up. Sometimes it takes a long time to get over something. And obviously if you're seeing him every day, I would say blast your power moves playlist.

[B]

Having to see every day is crazy.

[A]

That's like I would start working out outside.

[B]

Yeah. For a walk.

[A]

Yeah, that's hard. Think about how much this gym membership means to you. Cuz Trisha's right. Like seeing them every day is a lot.

[B]

That mental toll is like crazy.

[A]

Like, and you can try to like blast the music in your headphones, walk past serve, do your big one. But like it is still is taxing. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. I, like, I moved far away from anyone I ever lived near. Like, anytime I, like, broke up, I'm like, let me. I used to live next to a boyfriend on the beach. Moved away. Hollywood. Moved away. Seriously. Moved away. I just, like, I can't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, to even go to, like, the same places like that. The idea of running into someone, I'm just, like, now I, like, wouldn't care. But also, it's just like, I'd rather just not because.

[A]

Yeah, it's a lot.

[B]

I don't like to be fake either. Like, it's weird. Like, I could be fake nice to people, but not people I've dated. I'd just be like, you actually were awful.

[A]

Yeah. Brutal. And it's like, why. Why go through that? I just think my biggest advice to you across this time is to give yourself grace for however long it takes you to get over this situation or healing or having to deal with him and, like, see him and stuff. Like, there's no perfect answer. Like, you just. Time will truly heal it. And no one ever wants to hear that when they're going through a breakup. That time will heal a lot of it. But it will.

[B]

It does. That's the only thing that's ever healed me, is time. Like, you never think you're gonna get over something, but then over time, it just does. I don't know. It's not. It's not like grief. Heartbreak is different. It's like you heal from it, you know?

[A]

Yeah. And I feel like you start to see things more objectively for what they were as you, like, slowly leave how emotional you once were. You know, because when you're emotional, everything feels a thousand and so personal. And eventually you can kind of walk away and be like, well, maybe he was just going through a lot and seeking validation online through these photos, or he clearly was projecting how he feels about himself onto me when he called me annoying. Like, eventually you'll find that.

[B]

Yeah. When someone calls you annoying, it's like, maybe they're the annoying ones.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And it's fair enough.

[A]

I don't have symbols in a harmonica. I guess I do sometimes, but, like, most people, you know what I mean? Like, no one ever has a true reason to call someone annoying. Like, it's usually like, you probably needed something and your needs weren't being met, and he was projecting, you know, so eventually you'll even have more grace for him, as awful as he is. And that will heal you.

[B]

That is true. Forgiving others this can be very healing.

[A]

I know. And it's hard because, like, you don't want to, you know.

[B]

No, definitely. Definitely a grudge. Feels good sometimes.

[A]

Yes, it does. Alexa, play the Grudge by Olivia Rodrigo.

[B]

Was that a new song?

[A]

No, but it's a good one. You should go down that rabbit hole, Rodrigo. Her albums, they're good.

[B]

I know. I need to get into the new Gen Z music. I'm always a little behind, but you're.

[A]

On Bieber, so I'm not gonna take you off bieber for anyone.

[B]

10 years. Give me 10 years. I'll get on Tate McCray and all these.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, no, that's fine. You have plenty of time for that. I'd say Bieber, then. Miley. You're gonna love Miley when you go.

[B]

Yeah, you did say that. I am gonna watch the. That Black Mirror episode. It's on my list. Please.

[A]

Yeah, you'll love it.

[B]

I think I. I feel like you'll love that.

[A]

And, like, just knowing things you like. I think you'd end up liking that.

[B]

I trust.

[A]

I don't know. I could be wrong. Watch me be so wrong, but I don't think I am. Should we take one more call?

[B]

One more. All right, here we go.

[A]

One more call.

[B]

That's gonna celebrate. Who sings it one time? One. It's gonna celebrate.

[A]

Is that your sing side? Yes.

[B]

One more time. There's a Black Eyed Peas. That punk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What a name.

[A]

I like no other. I don't. I don't. I stream sad music only for the most part.

[B]

What kind of music?

[A]

I love Noah Khan. He's my favorite artist. Daft.

[B]

Daft Punk?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Daft means dumb, you know? That's a good question.

[A]

Do you know that they're like robots? Like, whatever. No one's ever seen their faces. No way. That's so cool. Imagine being mysterious at all. No mystery of the year. And no one has ever seen their face.

[B]

For real. It's so cool. Someone has to see them, like, if they're in the studio with them.

[A]

Yeah. The Weeknd has probably seen their faces.

[B]

Oh, what song do they do at the weekend?

[A]

I feel it coming. No way.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Those are arguably some of his best, biggest. It's a great song. The weekend, to me is sex music and sex music only.

[B]

I think I. That's why I liked him. I was like, in my horny era, when I was listening to the weekend, I would come home and get. Be so excited. Like, I would drive from Santa Monica listening to him, and I'd be like, just so horny. I was like, let's go. I was like, what happened?

[A]

You're, like, going 100 miles per hour, literally.

[B]

There was something so horny about his songs. There was, like, what was that? There was one song that's, like, so nasty. I love it so much, and I can't think of what it was. Was. What's, like, his big one. What is it? Oh, I love that one. There's another one, too, where it's like.

[A]

I'm not well versed. I really only listen to the weekend when getting railed. And a lot of people, like, I would literally in San Diego this weekend, McCoy's, like, guy, best friend was like, the weekend's my favorite artist. And in my head, I was like, are you horny? Yeah, but I know he's so much more than that. That's just, like, my.

[B]

I think he's a horny artist. I think that's just him.

[A]

But a lot of people love, like. Like, his lyricism and his. All of it, like. Like, just as a musician overall and, like, aren't horny about it. I know.

[B]

Really? I feel like every one of his songs is horny.

[A]

Cardi. All the, like, tough boys, goth boys are like, yeah.

[B]

To this, you know, Mosh to the weekend.

[A]

Yeah. He gets a little crazy. To him. Playboy cardi song that's getting the kids mosh.

[B]

All right, well, I'm only listening to Mashing is like, you all, like, are bumping in the pit.

[A]

It. Yeah. I just feel like moshing is. I don't know. Do you know they say Masha was invented so that men could just touch each other? 100. It was. That's how I look at it. I'm like, all these straight men just really want to, like, touch each other and, like.

[B]

It'S a healthy way to get it out, I suppose.

[A]

I guess when you put it that way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Shall we take a final call?

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

Oh, I'm sad.

[C]

Hi, Trish and Tana. I'm Bella, and I need some advice. A friend, because I'm a little concerned for her. So basically, she's been talking to this guy for about three, four months, and they've only hung out twice. But every time they do hang out, he suggests they go to, like, very expensive dinners. He pays for them. He pays for all of it. And then they'll go shopping, and he pays for all of her stuff. And she's looking for more of, like, a boyfriend, but he just seems very. Like, he told her she wouldn't have to worry about her finances and stuff. And. And I don't know, he seems very manipulative with his money and it seems controlling. And he'll say stuff like, I was at the club and this girl was trying to kiss me. You know, just very. Like, he's the. Or whatever. But she's very like, oh, he's so generous and he's just like, nice. But I don't know, in my eyes, I see it as like kind of manipulative and weird. So I was wondering, what do you guys think? Do you trust this man? Do you think she should still talk to him? Because I don't know. I just have a weird feeling about it. Okay, thank you. I love you.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Trust that.

[A]

We love you. Your feeling is 100, right? Any man who's doing that seating in the controlling nature already, like, hate it. I'm not saying that there are not generous people in the world, but oftentimes when a man is leading with money and then like the other girls thing, like doing little ploys to try to like, make you think he's so cool and like, stroke his own ego, like those type. I see that all the time. That type of guy usually always wants something in return. And not just sex. I truly mean, like, emotional control.

[B]

Oh, for sure. Like be on call, where are you? That kind of stuff. Yeah.

[A]

And like, that's. As her friend, I can see how that would, like, stress. Like if that was happening to like Ashley or Isabelle, I'd be like, oh, because it's hard. You got to put yourself in her shoes though, too. It's hard. You know, this prince charming guy comes in and he wants to pay for everything. And maybe she's struggling and now she's not struggling and all these nice things. And you see it with rose colored glasses. When it's happening to you, you let.

[B]

Like things slide too. And you're just like, okay, well, at least I'm getting this.

[A]

Like, yeah, my rent's paid. He. He cheated, you know.

[B]

Oh, for sure. That. Yeah, I never did anyone with like a ton of money, but even the little money I would get from some of the guys, I was, I was just. Yeah. Put up with anything, you know, you're just like, okay, well, at least I get this perk, you know?

[A]

Yes, 100%.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I will say that this situation, it's kind of like a lot of things we talk about on Not Loveline where I feel like it's kind of a canon event. And it's hard to, you know, like, you could probably go present all of this to your friend. But I can't guarantee she would walk away before something negative happens. And I would try to just be, like, vigilant and be there and, like, you know, be there for her.

[B]

But it's hard. It's so hard. Yeah. Like, you can't really say anything in the situation. Cause it's, like, her life, her thing. And maybe she's okay with whatever manipulation is going on in control. Some people just aren't. Some people don't mind that life even of being controlled forever.

[A]

Yeah. That's the thing. I mean, if something crazy happens, like, speak up and be there for her. But until then, I mean, you can try. Like, I. I'm always honest with my friends, but it is just, like, hard. When are you.

[B]

Do you tell them?

[A]

I'd be like, I'm too honest. Like, now, especially as we get older. Because it's like, we're in, like, marriage.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Territory. And when even, like, my friend, she. She just. She ended up ghosting this guy. But she had been going on dates with this guy, and he ended up kind of thinking people were following them and, like, freaking doing all this paranoid stuff. And she was like, thankfully, like, she ended it. You know what I mean? She was like, I've been through too much, and I already see where this is gonna go. But, like, I was scared for a second there. I was like, oh, no. Like, because he was just being toxic about it. Like, I need you to stay with me because I'm freaking out. I'm like, all right, ready?

[B]

A paranoid person or did something make him paranoid?

[A]

He was convinced that a lot of things were happening that weren't happening.

[B]

Famous or.

[A]

No.

[B]

Was he a famous person?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, just like, a regular person.

[A]

Yeah. It was strange.

[B]

How do you get help for that? I don't even know. Paranoia. Like, how do you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It was giving therapy for paranoia.

[A]

I should. Honestly, I don't even know why I'm talking about other people. I'm so paranoid.

[B]

But it's not a bad thing.

[A]

Or even, like, if Amari goes on a date and they're not my favorite person, I'll probably say it. Yeah. Because Amari and I are so. So he would say the same to me, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Truly. Like, we're. We're so one. Like, our souls are one. It's like, I can't do Christmas with this weirdo forever. Like, please. No. You know.

[B]

Oh, okay. But I would be pissed. I would, like, end a friendship if someone told me they didn't like, someone I was dating. I was like, bye over you.

[A]

There are times where I like, probably should just shut the up. Like, I'll be a little too honest, but we, we have a very honest relationship. Yeah. Diva. I fear this might be a canon event. You should try to get something out of it. You know, just tell her to tell him that you want like matching Wal or something. You know, shoes.

[B]

Like my friend too.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Like maybe just at least try to get a perk while you kind of wait for her to see this one through.

[B]

That's true. Get that Neon carnival. Vip. Yes. Yeah, that's what we're going with.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[B]

You keep saying Canada, but I keep thinking Canada. And that one call said, come to Canada. Why don't you come to Canada?

[A]

Oh, I am coming to Canada. It's funny because I, I literally all my socials are flooded. It's because we keep missing Canada on the tour. And like I don't do the routing, so I feel bad.

[B]

When are you going? Which tour?

[A]

This. I want to try to add Canada to the end of this. This.

[B]

And you are going?

[A]

I think so. I'm not fully. It's not fully locked in. But as soon as I know, I'll be telling.

[B]

Have you ever been.

[A]

I've been to Canada. Just. It's been a long time.

[B]

But not on tour.

[A]

I've been on tour, but I was like 18.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And like the canceled tour truly has probably done like nine shows in like Texas. You know what I mean? Like, it's like it's time for us to go to Canada and just announcing like Belfast, Vast and like Berlin and it's like, come on, like, come to Canada. Canada's right here.

[B]

We're like right next door.

[A]

Yeah, I got you. I love my Canadians. I love Canada. I think people are starting to think I hate it there cuz I keep missing it. But I love it.

[B]

Everyone loves Canada.

[A]

People are so nice. There weren't.

[B]

Yeah, we love it.

[A]

And the food is good. Ketchup, chips, poutine.

[B]

They do love a ketchup chip. Or the all dressing chip. The all. Yeah.

[A]

And poutine. Have you ever had like the fries with the gravy levitate? Really?

[B]

Like gravy?

[A]

Oh, yeah. You're not sauced up. No, she's not a saucy girl.

[B]

And I got him at McDonald's, which is a bad idea.

[A]

Yeah, that's the. I don't like McDonald's anywhere but America.

[B]

Oh. I was like, you don't like McDonald's?

[A]

I love McDonald's here. It's just that we're so conditioned to, like. For, like, McDonald's tastes so much healthier everywhere else in the world.

[B]

It's disgusting. I like it. Minecraft is there right now. Adult Happy Meals at McDonald's.

[A]

No way. Oh, wow. I didn't know that even. Just, like, in other places, they don't put a lot of salt on the fries like they do.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, the fries and McDonald's french fries everywhere else are so, so different from the ones in America.

[B]

England has the worst McDonald's. Like, I couldn't even finish the nugget. I was like, what am I eating?

[A]

Seasoned. And it's. It's crazy. It's probably so much healthier, but it.

[B]

Probably is, like, real meat, I think.

[A]

Yeah. Like, no pink paste over there.

[B]

I love a pink paste. I like it.

[A]

Me, too. It's so good. That was crazy. When Super Size Me and all that came out, all those documentaries about McDonald's.

[B]

I think he passed away. That's very sad.

[A]

Did he?

[B]

Morgan Spurlock? Yeah.

[A]

He passed away. Poor thing. Well, I've eaten as much McDonald's as he did in that documentary in my lifetime.

[B]

I did. I did a reverse of that one week. I did a eating McDonald's for a week and I lost five pounds. I showed how you could be skinny eating McDonald's.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I would do intermittent fasting, and I would just get a kid's meal every day.

[A]

Yep, that's real.

[B]

Look it up. It's there. I lost. I think I might have lost, like, £10 in a week.

[A]

Actually doing that's actually insane. Intermittent fasting works, though.

[B]

Yeah. Eat McDonald's every day and lose weight.

[A]

Yeah. That's on, period. That's what I need to start doing.

[B]

Dipping and doing, you guys. That's what we're doing here.

[A]

So we gotta get on over to the Patreon and this is our final Patreon. Right?

[B]

Final Patreon up for now.

[A]

For now. I know I'm talking like it's the end of the world, but I'm just sad. Whatever.

[B]

We're just gonna have a few, and.

[A]

We love you guys.

[B]

Love you guys.

[A]

Call us up this number and join.

[B]

Us on our Patreon. Patreon.com. not love life.

[A]

And we love you more. All the stories. Probably dump him. Some things never change.

[B]

Love it. Bye.