CLAVICULAR, TANA'S SUEDE BROOKS LORE, & DATING MY STUDENT'S DAD!?! | NOT LOVELINE Ep 75

Summary

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Not Loveline Ep 75: "Clavicular, Tana's Suede Brooks Lore, & Dating My Student's Dad!?!"

Podcast Hosts: Tana Mongeau & Trisha Paytas
Release Date: July 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Tana and Trisha serve up another wildly unfiltered, chaotically honest edition of their love and dating call-in show. The pair swap reality TV lore and TikTok gossip, dive into body image and the culture of comparison, analyze streamer psychology (focusing on Clavicular), and take on juicy listener calls—including workplace crushes and messy breakups. It's high-energy, self-deprecating, and peppered with personal anecdotes and cultural commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Suede Brooks Lore" and Reality TV Editing

• Tana's Friend Suede on "Calabasas Confidential":

  • Tana reveals her long-time friendship with Suede Brooks (known for being on the new reality show "Calabasas Confidential"), emphasizing how reality TV often distorts personalities for storyline drama.
  • Tana: "Your narrative, nine times out of 10, is out of your control...usually one thing is honed in on and one scenario is honed in on." (04:00)
  • Trisha asks about internet backlash toward Suede's portrayal, with both hosts agreeing edits can be misleading.
  • Tana is firm: “If I had to describe Suede as like one thing, it'd be like a ride or die. And that's not what it gave.” (08:02)

• Reality TV as "Brain Rot":

  • They discuss the archetypes recurring in shows like "The Hills" and "Calabasas Confidential" and why Tana won’t do unscripted TV again.
  • Tana: “Reality television doesn't really go...it's funny ever.” (06:08)

2. Body Image, Social Media & Modern Beauty Standards

• Swim Week, Victoria’s Secret, and Public Commentary:

  • Both discuss Miami Swim Week, Victoria's Secret mall castings, and TikTok's culture of harsh visibility and criticism.
  • Trisha: “People just think she has the perfect body type. She's too skinny. Not her. Where's her boobs?” (13:06)
  • Tana notes the double-edged sword of body confidence movements: “Good for these women for reclaiming their power...but at the same time, how many people are struggling with those issues and dealing with the commentary?” (13:40)

• Comparison Trap:

  • Trisha is candid about her insecurities: “I think I look great, but once I stand next to, like, an Alex or—I'm gonna hate myself.” (16:12)
  • Tana points to progress in inclusivity, but notes new pressures like the Ozempic trend.

• Men and Body Dysmorphia:

  • Discussion of Noah Kahan's documentary opens up a conversation about men’s body image struggles.
  • Tana: “I feel like you don't see men necessarily talk [about] body dysmorphia as much...and then I talked to some of my guy friends and they were like, I really relate to that.” (19:10)

3. Streamer & Influencer Culture

• Clavicular & The Psychology of Streaming:

  • Both fascinated and unsettled by rising streamer Clavicular’s face-rating antics and unpredictable persona.
  • Tana: “I want to do a deep dive on the psychology behind clavicular.” (22:22)

• Family Vlogging & Livestream Boundaries:

  • Analysis of livestreamed parenting moments (citing examples like Austin McBroom gifting a car to his unimpressed daughter).
  • Trisha: “I would never live stream [my kids]. It's not because of my kids or me... It’s public perception.” (25:09)

• Child Privacy & Parasocial Pitfalls:

  • Both discuss the long-term implications of childhoods lived on camera.
  • Tana: “Someone's gonna write a book, something will happen...it’s got to be a feeling sometimes of, like, what's real and what's not.” (26:04)

4. The Impact (and Ethics) of Reality TV & Social Media

• Love Island & Mental Health:

  • Tana and Trisha dissect the psychological toll of shows like Love Island and Big Brother, emphasizing the pressure of constant surveillance and edited personas.
  • Tana: “If you do something dumb...you're completely in the wrong on Love Island...that's going to follow you forever.” (33:56)
  • Both reflect on their own experiences, Trisha sharing on-set therapy interventions: “They had a therapist come in to talk to me because I was like, I am going insane.” (35:25)

• Physical Insecurities, Grooming, and TikTok Fads:

  • Lighthearted but honest banter on bikini-line shaving, armpit shadow, insecurities about smile lines, and trending TikTok products.
  • Tana: “If you could only facetune one thing forever...I would [choose] smile lines.” (39:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Reality TV's Illusions:
  "You just can leave and something can be completely...a completely different interaction than you had. That is all...down to people on the biggest reality shows. Like, is that actually how that happened? And nine times out of ten, the answer's no."
  —Tana, (09:11)

• On Comparison and Body Standards:
  "It's just so crazy...how much people care about other people's anything and everything. Even like Love island is about to start ramping up... it fosters this environment for people to be, like, so ridiculously, like, unhealthy."
  —Tana, (31:15)

• On Family Vlogging:
  "I just think even, like the family vloggers, like, it's gonna be so interesting when that whole round of kids whose parents were streamers and vloggers...are really of age."
  —Tana, (26:04)

• On Relationship Red Flags:
  "Sometimes you need the outside lens of people to be like, that's not funny. He doesn't do everything for you."
  —Tana, (50:57)

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Key Listener Calls & Advice Segments

Call 1: Dating My Student's Dad!?!

(52:40 – 60:42)

• Scenario: 21-year-old afterschool manager has a crush on a 29-year-old single dad of one of her students. He followed her on Instagram (using her less-obvious handle).
• Hosts' Advice:
  • Both flag the age/experience gap and the added complication of his being a parent.
  • Tana: "What happens to your brain across the time of 21 to 29...is the most transformative growth in a lifetime." (52:52)
  • They urge her to learn about his situation, take things very slow, and be mindful of what dating a parent may entail.
  • Trisha: “Dating someone with kids is not for the faint of heart... you'll never be their priority, rightfully so.” (58:17)
  • Both suggest keeping the child out of it unless things get serious and considering what she really wants at this stage of her life.

Call 2: The Straight Guy's Breakup

(60:57 – 66:42)

• Scenario: Male caller, dumped by his girlfriend (who turned him onto the podcast), seeks advice post-breakup.
• Hosts' Reactions:
  • Both joke at first, wondering if he’s "the villain" and encourage hearing both sides.
  • Tana: “Breaking up is so much harder and stronger than staying... Sometimes it's so easy to stay in something that's comfortable.” (64:13)
  • Advice: Use this time to reflect and grow, trust that the right person will make sense, and, if you were in the wrong, learn from it.
  • Trisha: “Thank God it didn’t work out with anyone else in my past. Because when you meet the right one you’re like, my life is so easy, so perfect, so wonderful.” (65:29)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Suede Brooks/Reality TV Editing: 02:33 – 10:10
• Body Image & Swim Week: 13:06 – 20:26
• Clavicular & Streamer Culture: 22:14 – 25:20
• Parental Boundaries & Family Vlogging: 25:20 – 30:37
• Love Island & The Distorted Edit: 31:15 – 36:14
• Physical Insecurities/TikTok Trends: 36:14 – 41:11
• Listener Call - Dating a Student’s Dad: 52:40 – 60:42
• Listener Call - Male Breakup: 60:57 – 66:42

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Tone & Style

• Very conversational, self-aware, full of hot takes and “brain rot” humor.
• Both hosts toggle between empathetic “big sister” advice and meme-level, unserious banter.
• Language is candid, explicit at times, and often meta-referential to internet and social media culture.

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Concluding Thoughts

This episode spotlights what makes Not Loveline unique: no topic is too cringey, too niche, or too TMI. Whether unpacking reality TV edits, confessing to body insecurities, or fielding deeply layered caller dilemmas, Tana and Trisha bring a mix of hard-earned wisdom and no-holds-barred irreverence. Advice here always comes with caveats, self-roasting, and real moments of relatability—making even the messiest topics feel a bit less lonely and a lot more entertaining.

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Transcript

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[Trisha]

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[Tana]

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[Trisha]

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[Tana]

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[Trisha]

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[Tana]

We're back. I'm excited. I feel like we get in our groove.

[Trisha]

We're here. We're here. And call us. Not love lying today. This is the phone number. We love the calls. Even if you just want to call and just, you know, have someone to talk to.

[Tana]

I love knowing that the girlies are out there venting to us because it's. And meeting people in person who are like, I called in. I'm always, like, just so gagged by that. It's very cool. And it's funny, too, because whenever anyone asks me what my show with you is, like, one of my guy friends the other day was like, what do you do with her? And I was like, we have an advice show. And it's funny, like, because it's just the easiest way to, like, say something fast to someone. Yeah, but, like, it's so funny because, like, sometimes we have an advice show.

[Trisha]

Yes, yes. Half the time. And we will. We're getting there soon and quick. But before we do, we just did an extended one for Patreon. Patreon.com not loveline, where we're also vlogging in a real life. We're getting out in the real world. We're vlogging. We vlogged our rehearsals to Vegas. We vlogged Vegas. We vlogged all the stuff we did leading up to it. So if you guys want to see that, plus we do bonus episodes for you guys over there. Thank you guys so much for the support over there. We love you so much.

[Tana]

So unfiltered over there. I feel like the things that we talk about on the Patreon, even this last episode, I was really, like, deep thinking about things in my life and, like, talking about our relationships, we get. We're more unfiltered over.

[Trisha]

Literally. Yeah, Love that so much. I had. Okay. I had a Tanalore reveal to me yesterday, and I didn't know, but if you don't talk about. We don't have to.

[Tana]

Okay.

[Trisha]

Because I don't know. Have you watched the new show Calabasas Confidential?

[Tana]

Yes. Okay, so I watched that in 24 hours.

[Trisha]

Because you haven't done Tiktoks about it or anything.

[Tana]

I have not.

[Trisha]

I need to. Because I was like, who's this Swade Brooks? Like, I never heard of it. And he's like, oh, that's Tanner's bff. And I was like, wait, why?

[Tana]

Like, I've known Suede for God damn, like, 15 years now. Like, I've known Suede for so long,

[Trisha]

but she's, like, young. Yeah. Because 25 or something.

[Tana]

I went to high school with her sister, India. They all have very crazy names. Suede, India, and Blaze.

[Trisha]

Cute.

[Tana]

And I've known India since, like, literally, I was, like, in middle school. And so I met Sway through her

[Trisha]

Vegas girlies, and now they're in Calabasas.

[Tana]

Yes. Yes. Which.

[Trisha]

So I was like, can you talk about. I don't know. I'm so fascinated by your lore, knowing all these people. I was like, wait, what?

[Tana]

I think that it's always important to remember, and I think that this is applicable across all reality television. This is why I will never do reality television again. Is that your narrative, nine times out of 10, is out of your control. And usually one thing is honed in on and one scenario is honed in on. And sometimes people also do. I've been seeing a lot of people have a lot to say about, like, Suede's little relationship on there and the way that she handled it and all of these things. And sometimes you do make a decision on reality television.

[Trisha]

Relationship with men or. Relationship.

[Tana]

Yeah, she was dating a guy named Dylan on the show. And like, people.

[Trisha]

Oh, right.

[Tana]

Have had a lot to say about that. But. And honestly, like, even if people are going to come for me for this, like, I have to stay true to myself here. I've Known her forever, and she has been nothing but a great friend to me long before anyone had anything to provide anything with each other. And I know the Internet's a little mad at her right now, but.

[Trisha]

Oh, wait, why are they mad? I don't know. The discord. I didn't know they were mad at her because of the latte.

[Tana]

No, but that's.

[Trisha]

What is the. I don't know. The show is very funny. You don't know either. Okay. I'm like, wait, it's a niche thing.

[Tana]

I guess I've just been keeping up with it because I was like, I have to go watch Suede on this show. Like, you know what I mean? I have to go watch this whole show and see what my girl's up to on the show.

[Trisha]

Do you talk to her?

[Tana]

So, yes, I like and I see Suede a lot. Like, I know her family very well. Like, so it's. Yeah. I mean, the show was crazy, but I think that with the whole edit of the show, they were very much trying to give the Hills and, like, OG that type of show where it is kind of like, vapid girl, centric boy, centric drama. Like, it even get old. Spencer and Heidi, I could kind of feel that in there. A lot of people were saying they saw Kristen Cavallari and, like, a few girls, like, a compliment.

[Trisha]

I feel this is, like, iconic. So I feel like that's a high compliment.

[Tana]

I definitely think it gives that where it's like, vapid California reality television with kind of, like, no real problems, especially Calabasas and stuff. I think a lot of people were excited to see Jody woods on there, who's. Jord was his little sister, but then she kind of kept back from the drama. She wasn't in very many episodes. Yeah.

[Trisha]

It's funny who they like highlight, but she's very young too, right? She's like, 19, I think.

[Tana]

Yeah.

[Trisha]

Yeah. It's crazy how young they all are.

[Tana]

It was just crazy to see Suede, like, on a show like that.

[Trisha]

The Hills was, like, acting like they were acting a version of themselves.

[Tana]

Yeah. And it's like they. You know, all reality television is usually set up storylines, and then they hone in on the setup storylines and all the things.

[Trisha]

Are you gonna get a star in it?

[Tana]

No.

[Trisha]

If they asked you, she's like, can you come on Calabasas Confidential? No, I would. I would be like, let's meet at Sugar Fish at the Calabasas Commons. I'd be like, I'm there. That's. I don't know, I don't know any

[Tana]

of them, but I really do have like Tana turns 21 and all those things, it just made me realize what I like. And quite frankly, that is control. It's control over an edit and honesty with an edit. And reality television doesn't really go it's funny ever. Like, a lot of people I know have been on reality shows lately. Like, even this guy that I knew for a long time, I still know him, like whatever his name is, Jimmy Sotos. And he was just on Perfect Match and so I was watching that too.

[Trisha]

Me, Sotos. Was he on a different show before Perfect Match? Was he on like Love is Blind or something?

[Tana]

No. It's weird because normally on Perfect Match they only choose people who are on a different show, but he just was like a tick tock influencer and they chose him. So I was like back to back watching people I know on reality television, like, being crazy. And I was just like, oh my God. Like, it is just so funny because both of them even, it's like these shows are really honing in on either one scenario or just one facet of whatever. And obviously when you know someone in real life, they are very multi dimensional. They have lots of different sides to them. Like, Suede is like. And it's funny because suede is really being painted on this show. And that I don't want to say painted as well. Like, maybe her actions did go in line with that or whatever as like not being like a ride or die kind of not being there for her. Like girls on the show. But if I had to guess, she never met these girls before casting. I don't know.

[Trisha]

Oh, you don't think they all know each other like friends? I always thought they were like.

[Tana]

I think a lot of them do. But like, Suede didn't grow up in.

[Trisha]

That's what they frame it as. Like, they grew up in Calabasas, they went away to college or wherever they went to and then come back and

[Tana]

like, they grew up with Swede.

[Trisha]

That's why I was so confused because I was like, oh, he's done. She's done videos with Tana. I was like, why? This is. So what were you guys doing in videos? It's like vlogs.

[Tana]

I think we did a YouTube collab. I don't even know. I'd have to go watch it, like, so long ago. But there was. Because obviously if you grew up in California, there's a lot more YouTubers and stuff who can be in your community when you're young like, it was really just me and Suede who, like, came out of our, like, high schools groups doing social media.

[Trisha]

She's like a Vegas girly then. Oh, that's so interesting. I wonder why. I guess they just pick people. I guess because she has the Scott Disick connection and stuff.

[Tana]

Yes. But like, her narrative on the show, like, when I. If I had to describe Suede as like one thing, it'd be like a ride or die. And that's not what it gave.

[Trisha]

So, so sad. I wonder if she. I guess you maybe can't say anything or don't want to say anything to like, pop the bubble. I don't know. I guess we'll see her arc more because it is kind of start. I just kind of into it.

[Tana]

I don't.

[Trisha]

I like it because like you said, it's kind of brain rotty.

[Tana]

It's kind of like every show arguably does need the person doing the messy thing, reality television wise. And maybe I'm just defending my girl and like, what? But I don't know. I don't know. There's more to her than I think people think, you know, blew up for me.

[Trisha]

I never heard of her before this and now people are talking about her and it's probably a good thing. Like you said. It's like the Heidi Spencer before.

[Tana]

It's definitely a crazy. Like, I. Again, I. You couldn't pay me to do reality television.

[Trisha]

I would love to be just like a guest star. Like, I would be like. It would be. If I was on there with Suede. I would be like Courtney with Addison. Remember when I was just like, what the hell is this like 40 year old doing with a 20 year old? But that would literally be like even

[Tana]

Julia Fox on the Kardashians. There are guest star moments that are like, really?

[Trisha]

I just get.

[Tana]

I have too much anxiety, I think.

[Trisha]

Yeah.

[Tana]

Because you just can leave and something can be completely.

[Trisha]

Yeah, it can be edited to be

[Tana]

a completely different interaction than you had. That is all you can ask anyone, all the way down to people on the biggest reality shows of all time. Like, is that actually how that happened? And nine times out of ten, the answer's no.

[Trisha]

Well, yeah, There was a clip recently. Are you a Mormonized person? No. You don't know any of them? Like, you know anything about them?

[Tana]

No, I tried to start watching and I just.

[Trisha]

Well, one of them, Jesse, who recently got divorced from this, like, awful guy, whatever, she's kind of having her go up moment. She was on Call Her Daddy, like a couple weeks ago. She's kind of having a glow up moment, and she was doing, like, this video where she was, like, trotting like a horse. And they were basically talking about. Not Miami Swim Week. They were talking about the Victoria's Secret fashion shows that were in the malls. Did you see that?

[Tana]

Yes. And a lot of people were saying that was, like, for sure set up.

[Trisha]

Or people were saying it's a scam, where it was just marketing. It was just, like, publicity for Victoria's Secret because, like, every girl could go audition to be. Which was a little sus. I will say this. Like, if you're in the middle of a mall mall and they're asking you to, like, wear lingerie to, like, audition for Victoria's Secret. Like, maybe it is a Victoria's Secret, like, license event, but I have a feeling like I'll sort of.

[Tana]

Well, Gigi Hadid was judging one of them.

[Trisha]

Oh, so it must be real.

[Tana]

No, it is. You know, it's funny too. Just me and my past lives. Here we go. That's what this whole episode is. I knew so many of the girls who are walking. Oh, wait.

[Trisha]

Like.

[Tana]

Like, so many people I knew went to go do this audition in this casting call.

[Trisha]

Were they had.

[Tana]

Were they picked to go do it,

[Trisha]

or was it really just open? Like, anyone could just go audition.

[Tana]

I honestly have no idea. I could send a text and find. Oh, that's so. But I don't know. It is. Yeah. They'll probably pick one person who walked

[Trisha]

across if they pick anyone, honestly. Because sometimes they do these open casting calls, and they just pick every show I've done, like, who wants to be a superhero? And stuff like that. It looks like I go to an open casting call, but it's not like someone just like a producer's like, do you want to be on the show? And I was like, okay, yeah.

[Tana]

Yeah.

[Trisha]

So. But they made it seem like I went to this open call. I guess, like, sometimes they do pick people from open calls, but my. My. Even America's Got Talent, they made it seem like I was at an open call. They just called me to be on the show. I didn't have to audition. I just got.

[Tana]

No way.

[Trisha]

Yeah, they, like, call you. They asked me so many seasons to do it, and I finally. Yes. When Howard Stern was joining, like, me thinking, like, I loved Howard Stern, and I did. I was like, how he's the worst, and he still kind of is the worst. I see old clips of him being awful to, like, all these women. Actually, when I do my book tour, I Actually want to like go on his show and like confront him and be like, do you ever feel bad about that? Like what were you thinking? Like, I just like needs to.

[Tana]

I would be so glued to the screen if you did that.

[Trisha]

His woke era, he's very Jimmy Kimmel where they were doing like the man show and all these like, like what was the man show called? The. The Juggies or something. Like they were so misogynistic and then all of a sudden they did like a complete 180, which is great. We love change in growth. I want to know like what they were thinking at the time. Like did you really think that? Or like where did the change in. Yeah.

[Tana]

Is there so much more of a conversation that they were probably so rewarded for it. Like it wasn't just them doing that, but like society was probably just, you're the manning them. All these women still loved them and wanted them.

[Trisha]

I wanted to be like on that show and ride the Siby and I was like 14 at the time watching this. Like, it's so insane. It's like so gross. But, but then when, yeah, when he joined. But anyways I was like, they would, they would ask me every scene to be America's Got Talent. But they make it seem like again people probably, they probably do have open calls. Do they pick people from open calls? I don't know. Like, probably not. Like that's why maybe, maybe some people do like a Susan Boyle or something like that. But.

[Tana]

Oh my God, Susan Boyle Queen. I saw her Marty supreme moment.

[Trisha]

What was that? What's the Marty supreme moment?

[Tana]

So Timothee Chalamet in an interview, I don't remember exactly what he said, but he said like basically like she's so Marty supreme, like chasing her dream or whatever. And then she ended up, or Timothy ended up sending Susan Boyle a Marty supreme jacket. And like there was like a whole moment.

[Trisha]

Okay, well she's having a comeback now. She has like a new album coming out and she has like a blonde as Bob and stuff. She looks really good. Yeah. She just is making her come back to like 10 years, 15 years.

[Tana]

I like to see it. I really do.

[Trisha]

We love a Susan Boyle. But yeah, I think to go back to the Joy secret in the mall, I would say don't do that in general. Like, I don't know, I just. Something about being in the mall and like just being in your underwear, it feels a little like, you know, not necessary. Like.

[Tana]

And like anyone can like tick tock it. That's the thing that it's so Crazy. We just really live in this world where just anything can be tick tocked. You know what I mean? Like it's.

[Trisha]

Or just so judgy. I know it's like a little bit like old news now, but like the Miami swim week, like people are just so like. I wouldn't even say mean, but they just like love to criticize it. There was one like showing every person who walked, but it's like beautiful. It's like Alex Earl and Gabriella Moore and people just think she has the perfect body type. She's too skinny. Not her. Where's her boobs? Like all this stuff. And they're like really perfect bodies and even the non perfect bodies, whatever, you know what I mean? Or like ideal standard bodies.

[Tana]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Trisha]

We're so mean. Then people have to defend themselves. Be like, I love my body. It's just like, it's like, like kind of sad. Like I like it on one hand because I do like the confidence and the empowerment of it. And then I hate it because people are awesome.

[Tana]

Yeah. It is like a double edged sword. It's like good for these women for reclaiming their power back and being confident and showing that to the world. But at the same time, like how many people are struggling with those issues and dealing with like the commentary back from people and it's just so nuts. I was supposed to host a Miami swim week thing and then it just ended up falling through for like other reasons.

[Trisha]

That would have been crazy to see you there. I would have been like, like love it. I would.

[Tana]

Because I was honestly happy to. Not really. I was. And I ended up seeing who like got my job and stuff. I don't like talk about it too much and it was just someone who was like so much better for it. Like, yes. Who's ready to see these beautiful girls.

[Trisha]

That's great though.

[Tana]

But you know, I would have been out there like, girl, I just had a crunch wrap backstage. Like I would have been cracking jokes. Like, I would have been like a little less. Where serious.

[Trisha]

Are you more suited to host? I'm trying to think, like, where do you feel like you would fit in?

[Tana]

I'm not even joking you. I feel more suited to host like a bull fighting thing. I feel more su to host like a golf thing. Like I. I just swim week and me like, I don't know, I'm just crazy. I just. I guess the golf is crazy.

[Trisha]

I'm not Masters. Being like now going to hole number 18, like the opposite of where I think you should be.

[Tana]

But you know what it is?

[Trisha]

It feels more you.

[Tana]

I guess you're right. It's more my image. But, like, if it came down to which one, I would be happier to do.

[Trisha]

Really.

[Tana]

I really. I don't know, like. Like, I've never been to a Miami swim week. Weirdly, in all of my years of things and, like, the partying and stuff, it just.

[Trisha]

That's so odd. You never did it. Like, I was thinking the other day, I was like, God, this feels like something Tana would have done, for sure.

[Tana]

I just like being silly and funny. I think that I Even whenever you're at things like that, of that vein. And I don't want to be pessimistic here, because, like you just said, there's so much empowerment, but also everyone just is talking about their bodies and, like, what they ate and, like, there's so much comparison. And the public is very weird about that stuff too, you know, like, and all of those things and stuff. Like, I don't know. It's just like, it didn't feel like me because it wasn't. There wasn't room to be, like, funny about it. It was genuinely just being like, who's ready to see these bikini girl? And like that.

[Trisha]

Yeah, you would have ate it, though. I would have been so.

[Tana]

Yeah. And like, I can put on the body oil and then have the. The glow on the collarbone and the.

[Trisha]

You know, that would have been everything

[Tana]

corseted dress and stuff. I get that you can just go serve the look and do the thing, but I don't know if I never attended a Miami swim week. I don't know. I never say never. There. There could very well be a caveat and like, a. Something where I would be interested in it just, like, for everything.

[Trisha]

No, that's what I said, too. I was like, my. My. I really don't. I really try and, like, look at things from the outside. It's just because I never been invited that I'm like, oh, when you've been invited and you said no, so it's like, I maybe never been invited. I wouldn't. But I don't know. I think my issue is a little different where I think I'm just more insecure. I'm not like, same to be like, I love the confidence everyone has. That's truly, like, not me. I think I look great, but once I stand next to, like, an Alex or. I mean, I'm gonna, like, hate myself, like, even watching it. It's not their fault, obviously, but even watching, I'm like, I feel like a piece of. So I'm like, there's no way I'm gonna stand next.

[Tana]

Well, that's like all of society now. It's. It's so nuts like that. Yeah. It's comparing women's bodies and seeing all these things. I will say I do like that Sports Illustrated has and even Victoria's Secret with the influencers they're working with. Like, we are moving in the right direction in the regard to just, like, showing off more real things and creating less of an insane beauty standard. And everyone looks so beautiful and like, it was done very well. Yeah. But then there are a lot of the people and you're seeing a lot of people take the Ozempics too far and like, all of the things and it's. It's just sad. And it's comparison is so hard because I really will, like, wake up and love myself and then I, like, see someone who's just like this. And like, it's so easy on a bad day to see that and then just be like, well, I'm not good enough.

[Trisha]

Yeah.

[Tana]

And like, damn. You know, it's just.

[Trisha]

Or when I see it about other people too, who have body types like mine, and then they're like, how are those kitten heels holding her up? And then it just, like, makes me feel bad. And then I'm just like, oh, my God, I should never be in kitten heels.

[Tana]

And it's like, what? Like the fact that you would ever even think that, like, I shouldn't be in kit.

[Trisha]

Like, yeah. And it's. No, I hated it.

[Tana]

It's so wild too, because it's like, I'm hearing you say that and I'm like, that is so deranged. Like, wear your kitten heels, do your thing. But then, like, I get that like, our own mind.

[Trisha]

It's really just me. I is. That's what I'm saying. I think it's just like, is the same. But if I was, like, alone, right? If I'm on, like, Sports Illustrated cover and I'm like, alone, where was Alex? You're like, in Africa with the elephants or something like that. Like, I would be feeling myself. I think it's when I see it next to other people or have to, like, go down a Runway after someone.

[Tana]

Oh, no. Swim week is so everyone. Because especially. You know what it is, too? It's that swim week is like, all the guys and the Miami promoters and everyone, they're all there and they're sitting in the crowds and it's not about the bandeau. Top versus the triangle versus the underwire top versus the higher, high waisted bottom. It's about who's hotter.

[Trisha]

I literally was like, who is this for? Who's in the audience? And they're like, Dave Portnoy. Okay, well, this is what it is.

[Tana]

And it's like, that's especially because it's Miami and like, just so many things. And I don't know. You know who I did just see Noah Khan just dropped a Netflix documentary.

[Trisha]

Love Noah Con. Right?

[Tana]

Who's this? She makes that song stick. Season lover M. But it's the season of the sticks. And I saw your mom. It's very like folk music. Like, that's so funny.

[Trisha]

I do love Louis Capaldi. Noah Khan. I'm like, who are you? I mean, we love. But I do.

[Tana]

I love a sad man dude. I love a beaten down, battered sad man writing about how much he wants to die. It's my favorite thing ever.

[Trisha]

Somber sad music.

[Tana]

Yeah, but it's a little too like, like, like, okay, like, tick tock, Dancy. I like, I like lyricism. And Noah Khan is the lyricist. Anyways, he dropped this documentary and in it he was talking so much about having body dysmorphia. And I feel like you don't see men necessarily talk body dysmorphia as much as, like. And then it's funny, I was talking to some of my guy friends and they were like, I really relate to that. And I was like, I didn't even know that you felt this way about yourself, like, that you are. Are dysmorphic. I guess I have always, like, looked at it as this like, more women centric thing. And that's because men obviously feel a type of way about coming forward about that and like thinking they're ugly.

[Trisha]

And I've never. And I, I obviously know men have insecures. I never once knew a man who told me any of his insecurities, like, oh, I'm insecure about this or this. Like, no, I'm not. I'm like, so, yeah, when you think about it, you don't know. What does he say in his word? What's he insecure about?

[Tana]

Just like, I look in the mirror and I see someone completely different. I can't see myself for what I am, whether it's my body or my face or all these things. And he was kind of saying that he, like, people will call him ugly so he'll make jokes, like, jumping to the punch of it. But, like, sometimes he doesn't want those jokes to happen anymore. And like, it was really sad.

[Trisha]

Oh, interesting.

[Tana]

And I was just like, damn. It's just so interesting how much we struggle with that. And obviously today's society is just like, makes it so much worse.

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[Trisha]

I was gonna say, do you think, like, looks maxing is making guys feel more insecure because they're not, like, crushing their bones, Right? Like, I should take a hammer to My jaw, you know, it's like, oh

[Tana]

my God, that is so crazy. I like want to do a deep dive on the psychology behind clavicular.

[Trisha]

Oh, him just in general. All the streamers are a little.

[Tana]

Yeah, but he. I'm like weirdly on clavicular time I

[Trisha]

was on that on my Twitter was keep showing clavicular. I'm like why am I speeching?

[Tana]

He is one of the most interesting things I've ever like. Like his even like I saw this clip of him on Impulsive and he's talking to Logan and Mike and he's telling them like the ratios of their face and like why they like whatever.

[Trisha]

And I'm like, you're a 6 out of 10. I was like, that's crazy.

[Tana]

And then you'll see a clip of him being like really nice someone and then everyone will be like, oh, okay. He's okay. And the next clip is him like throwing a fully clothed girl into the pool while she's like screaming why do men do that? Why do men throw fully clothed women into pools?

[Trisha]

No, they're just. I don't know.

[Tana]

But it's.

[Trisha]

He's young, right? He's like in early 20s or something. And I feel like those are. Those kind of boys scare me. High school boys, early 20 boys. They scare me because they're just like a different breed. They really think they're like untouchable and they're just kind of wild. Vicar, he's so rich and he has. He's like the most popular streamer. So obviously that adds to another layer to it. It's giving. I know.

[Tana]

But there's like something it's. I really. I like want to know the act like psychology behind someone.

[Trisha]

Probably know there's probably like a therapist.

[Tana]

The streaming is also just crazy cuz it's this constant gratification and feeling the. The need to outdo yourself each time. Some of them get clips like your whole life isn't even your life.

[Trisha]

Yeah. What I think Neon said he pays like millions of dollars a month for clip farmers. I don't even know what this is. This is like lingo. But it is kind of crazy. Yeah, he pays a lot. And then I think it was Austin McBroom was live streaming and cuz I saw a clip of him gifting his daughter a car. His daughter like turned 12 and he gave her like a pink car or something like that. And it was like she was like not impressed. She did not like it and she was just like so like you could tell she was just like Ungrateful for it or just not? I don't want to say ungrateful. Just like, I don't want this. Like, what is this? And it was like, I'm like, why would he post this? Like, I thought it was a video that he like posted, but someone's like, no, it was like a live stream.

[Tana]

Well, and like there's probably A thing like 12 year old, 12 years old is smart enough to be aware that like he didn't actually want to buy me this car. Because then this is all me an opinion. I'm just my opinion. But like, like 12 years old is smart enough to gauge like, did you genuinely want to buy me this or is this for this big giant camera in our face with an attached chat?

[Trisha]

She kind of says that more or less. When he shows her her room, he does this insane room. Like it's this two story, like bungalow, like huge high ceilings, pink princess, like full room makeover has like a trampoline built inside of this bedroom. Like it's so insane. And her initial reaction was just like, you didn't do this. Like, you know, it was very like. And people I think took it as like, watched him as like ungrateful. But I saw what you were saying. Whereas like this little girl's like, again, for this I just want to hang

[Tana]

out on the couch and you give me advice.

[Trisha]

And he's like, I pay people and I got people. Right. It was very awkward and I didn't realize what I was watching. And then when people said it was like a live stream, I'm like, I will never live. Ever since I had kids, I would never live stream. And it's not because of my kids or me or like I'm worried about judgment.

[Tana]

It's like public perception 100.

[Trisha]

Like if my kids like screaming like they have a tantrum, which kids have, which they have, and sometimes you ignore them, sometimes they're like uncontrollable and you have to just ignore the tantrum. So if you're like on live and they're having a tantrum and you're just like ignoring it, it can look like a lot.

[Tana]

You're getting crucified.

[Trisha]

Yeah. Oh, you're not giving the kid attention. But if you go get the attention, they scream more. Oh, the kid hates. Like there's just so much. And I could not imagine it with kids and being unpredictable at any age. Especially like someone, even like a 12 year old, like just being like. So people could perceive her as being ungrateful. And it's like kind of not fair to her either, because she's probably. She probably. She could tell. She was like, over it when you open the. The little smart car because she's not old enough to drive the car. And he's like. She's like, okay, this is not my car. She's like, this isn't my car. Car. Like, I like, what? And it was just, like, very. It was weird. But all that to say it is like the streaming of it all.

[Tana]

And, like, I just think even, like the family vloggers, like, it's gonna be so interesting when that whole round of kids whose parents were streamers and vloggers and stuff are really of age. Just. I don't know, like, someone's gonna write a book, something will happen to where it's like, it's got to be a feeling sometimes of, like, what's real and what's not. Like, I feel like even as an adult, I experience that in. In relationships in regard to fame, where if I was dating someone in the public eye, where I'd be like, did you get me this gift because you wanted to give me this gift? Or did you get me this gift because you wanted me to post it on my story? Did you?

[Trisha]

That's such a mind. You know what I mean?

[Tana]

When you were saying, like, that sweet thing to me earlier on the cat, like, on the vlog, did you actually mean that sweet thing you were saying? Or did you know it would be a really good clip that would, like, help further the income and, like, that's. Those were in relationships, let alone, like, with your own own father or mother, like, that feeling that way.

[Trisha]

Right? Because relationships, like. Well, I guess they don't really owe you anything. They think you're in it too. Because all my relationships were fake up until, like, Moses. And I'm saying that as someone who thought they were real at the time, but, like, looking back, like, oh, that was like, not. We were not, like, spending the night together. Yeah. I was like, oh, my God, like, I never had a boyfriend before Moses. Because, like, I never lived with anyone. And I was like, this is so crazy. So. Yeah. And then like you said, with the parent of it all, like the parenting. It is one of the things, like you said, is it for the vlog, which so many things are. I mean, we.

[Tana]

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[Trisha]

Yeah, you got to be so careful. I know when people talk about like potty training or like you know, if their kid got hurt or they're sick, it's like, it's like, yeah, you don't want to put out too much of their information. As someone who shows their kids online, like it is such a, it's such a, it's such a balancing act. I know PewDiePie recently was just like, we're not going to show our kid anymore. Usually they stop at like a certain age when the kid becomes like identifiable and like maybe will be that too. It is. It's every day. It's an everyday thing where it's just like maybe not. You kind of have to like, yeah, you gotta protect them. But at the same time it's like out in the real world, you know, anywhere they're not protected.

[Tana]

You know, I definitely don't have any discrepancies. I was even just thinking about Ayla Woodruff and Key and Lolly and their baby coast. And they always like post stuff with coast but you can tell that it's just like it'll be like Ayla dressing Coast for the day and like it's really cute and like, like it's not for the content. Yeah, it's like real moments that they're having and they're all very light hearted to where like one day coast will be an adult and can look back on those and be like how cute we were at the pumpkin patch that day and I was giggling. Not like just hard documentation of life or like these forced bits or like these I don't know.

[Trisha]

Or I think surprises too. I get where he's coming from, like, you throw extravagant parties. We always do our photos before guests come because I don't want the party to feel like we're making. Making content, you know? So if I want a good photo from like the birthday or something like that, we do it before. And then when like the guests come, we just want to, like, enjoy the party and like, the photographer's like, not there anymore or something like that.

[Tana]

Even if someone was taking videos of that, like, it's just a real authentic party that's happening and there's someone over there like in the corner documenting this thing. So you can look back on it.

[Trisha]

Yeah.

[Tana]

Or post it. Like, that feels fine to me. It's like when they, when they're like. You know what I mean?

[Trisha]

It's. Yeah. It's a struggle. You just like, it is a fine line.

[Tana]

You just don't. Fine line.

[Trisha]

Because I would want to show everything. The other day, like, Elvis, who's like two was literally just doing like, she was saying like, plie, passe, arabesque. But you're just. You're like so many things go through your head and you're just like, okay, do I need to show you every moment? As like a parent, you just want to show everyone every moment. It's really. It's really, really tough. I don't know. And there's no. And I don't. I don't even judge, like, Austin, because I get wanting to show, like, you're surprising your daughter, like, it's such a cool thing. But I don't know, it's just. It is hard. I think once people start like, talking about the kids, which it happens to us too, when people are like, Malibu's this or that, then it like, does become a little like, weird weird.

[Tana]

And. And people are just so like. I don't know the. Some of the comments, people just leave. Also, sorry for the way I just looked. I was like holding in a sneeze. I was like, about a season. You're talking and I'm like twitching out. But it is just such a fine line. Like, I don't know, like people wanting to show their kids and stuff. But then just some of the comments are so weird. Like I feel like as. Even just not with just kids, just in general, like scrolling TikTok these days. The comments are just. It's so strange how much much people care about other people's anything and everything. Even like Love island is about to start ramping up.

[Trisha]

Excited.

[Tana]

You love that island. I. I watched all of the last season I did. And I was in Hawaii watching Love island every day I left, I felt a little disgusting. I was like, I was. I was on an island in love. Go be in love. You have Love island at home. Why the are you inside every day watching this? I had fun making content, but then, like, Amaya's winning. I'm sobbing like, I know her. I think there's something about, like, every day that does create this, like. But, like, too invested. Like, an unhealthily, like, level of investment. An unhealthy level of investment. Hello. But. And like, even now, like, don't get me wrong, they should only cast people who are good people and have good views and good morals and stuff. But, like, just seeing things get leaked and, like, people are already sending these insane hate trains. And, like, Love island had to put out this thing of, like, remember, it's Love island, send love. But it's like, you just know people aren't going to, like. So it's like, it fosters this environment for people to be, like, so ridiculously, like, unhealthy. Over analyzation. Like, to where I don't. It does feel Hunger Games even to where we're all watching. These people in this bubble with no phones, they have no contact to the outside world or what's happening, so they can't make adjustments to, like, protect themselves. They're just. And obviously some people are being who they are and they do just suck as a person. But then obviously Love island knows that and they're casting people that they know are going to get people talking and, like, at the. At the sake of what? Mental health? Like, it just.

[Trisha]

It feels.

[Tana]

And I know they have psychologists and stuff on set, but, like, I don't know, I just. And it's hard because I might get got by the fomo, like, for sure, like, seeing people watch it and stuff.

[Trisha]

Oh, you're not going to try and watch it, you mean?

[Tana]

I don't know.

[Trisha]

I don't ever see clips. I never see clips. Like, last year, I could not tell you, like, anyone, obviously I know Landry because she became, like, a superstar, but I know nobody, nobody else from it because I never see clips. I usually see clips of every show. Never. Love, Isla. I know people love it, and I wish I could get into it. I really can't.

[Tana]

It's also. It's a huge time consumption. Like, you're consuming so much and, like, I don't know. I think it's great in theory, like, the show's been running for a very long time, but after Leah Kateb's season, I feel like, so, not the last one, but the one before that. Like, it just went to the moon in a way that it is like all these people in this fishbowl and we're all knocking on the glass and like, I don't know, it's not even about people finding love anymore either. It's about people choosing who they hate and who they love and like, going so hard on that, you know? And like.

[Trisha]

And also that I'm sure depends on the edit too. You know, you can edit someone anyway. Can edit someone for people to love. You can edit someone for people to hate.

[Tana]

Like, I mean, and it's so life altering now because of how many eyes that are watching all of these people that go on. If. If you do something dumb, let's say you do something absolutely so dumb, embarrassing, horrible, you're completely in the wrong on Love island. Like, that's going to follow you forever. Forever. And like, the pressure of that, I. I'd be in a constant state of panic because I'd be like, the whole world is watching, watching me sleep, eat, breathe, shower, everything that comes out of my mouth. And like, God forbid, like, you know, especially with no phones, no clocks. There's no clocks in the Love island village.

[Trisha]

That is crazy. That is. That's a mind to his love. That's like psychological.

[Tana]

It's been proven. It's literally been proven. Like, taking time away from people, like, psychologically with them. And like your family, you can't call anyone. Like, you're just in this thing with these strangers. I can't guarantee, like, if tomorrow I went on Love island and I met someone and then you have this like, trauma bond. People, like, why are they crying so hard when they leave? But it's like, that's all you have. Like, that I wouldn't do or say something that I wouldn't normally do or say.

[Trisha]

Like it messes with you mentally and

[Tana]

then you're held to that. That's the version of you that people only know and remember forever. Like, it just gives me a lot of anxiety. I don't know.

[Trisha]

Yeah, it's all I know. I think that's why. But then it's like with somebody, Big brother, that's me. Like when I was crying so much and you're just like. But you don't understand. Like, I actually was just like melting down over everything because it's the same. And this. There's no clocks, there's no phones, and you're just like. I lasted, I think, two weeks So I don't know how people last longer

[Tana]

than that too long time. Like, how did you feel?

[Trisha]

They had a therapist come in to talk to me because I was like, I am going insane. And they were really trying to keep me in and I was like, I. And then also there was like no food. So I was just like between, like no food that I could eat. I was just like, I need to go.

[Tana]

That's the other thing too. The therapists are being sent in with the goal of keeping you on the show. Like, it's not real. What's best for you. Therapy.

[Trisha]

Yeah. Because my therapist on their would be like, no, people really love you on the outside. Like you're on all the magazines. And I was like, all right, I'll stay another day. And it was true. People on the outside were like cheering me on and just. I didn't feel that. So I was just like, I need to like, leave, you know, but I should have probably stayed on, but.

[Tana]

And just the all angles and like all like just. I don't know, to have people crucify even like your looks like, like, you know what I mean? Just crucify like the worst. Your lip filler or your. The way you look or the outfits that you're wearing or the like the way you kiss or the way you. Oh, my God.

[Trisha]

That's my worst fear is like kissing on tv because I know I kiss craz. Even when we try to do like kissing photos, I just look so insane trying to do a kissing from the side. I look insane and they're just like

[Tana]

doing it all even, like, oh my. Here's what I don't understand. Okay, let's talk about vagina shaving for a second. Okay. It's Patreon conversation, but I digress. Okay.

[Trisha]

Normal.

[Tana]

When I'm in a beach environment, right. Obviously you have to. You don't have to, but I do. Like, or I want to shave so that like outside of my bikini, I'm not bushed up, right? And so I'll do that right? And I'll shave and then I'll like catch a vibe for a few days. And then you start to grow back stubble. But the reality is, is that like, if you shave that stubble immediately, you're going to get razor burn. You have to like, wait a day or two and like shave properly. And like all of these things, there are these little interim phases in like having a clean shave without razor burn. How the do these girls just never have razor burn ever or like anything ever for like one day or Like I'd be like, don't. Like I'm wearing a sarong today. No. One look at, I'm growing my bush for a sec so I can shave it.

[Trisha]

You think they're shaving every day?

[Tana]

Well, they have, they're just in a bikini always. And I'm like, does everyone have laser? Do they wax?

[Trisha]

And with me I can never know. I could shave and I still always have a little. So I've never had. I'm looking into it with like armpits where you can put like oils underneath there to make it look super.

[Tana]

I want to try it too because

[Trisha]

it's like it is so clean looking. Mine always looks like there's a little shadow, a little subtle and I could have a fresh armpits.

[Tana]

You know, someone somewhere right now is clipping us to put a link of that, that hair growth oil. Cuz it's high commission.

[Trisha]

It's me. It's because I was like all the tic shops I love, I do love a TikTok shop. I'm always getting the meta cube stick everywhere on your face.

[Tana]

I oh my God, this is gonna get clipped so hard if this is getting. And oh my God, I have to seat it into what I'm saying because it won't even work. Okay. I've been loving the Dr. Maloxin calcium stick. Please if you clip this bite for me. Please if you clip this, buy it for me.

[Trisha]

Buy it for me to just get us like clips to pose ourselves dead.

[Tana]

I've been loving it because I'm trying to like get rid of my smile lines. If you clip this, it's for me.

[Trisha]

Oh my God, the smiling. Someone just said like they didn't know some. Oh, someone who just. I'm on. I'm on Korean tick tock and I love it. Someone said when they moved to South Korea like two years ago, they had the smile lines but they stopped smiling in photos because I guess like smiling are like not a thing over there. Like you're not supposed to have like smile lines. So people just like don't smile in photo photos. And I was like, that's kind of sad. But at the same time she did look very fierce when she was just like mogging the camera. And I was like, I like that too. But yeah. So you don't like your smile lines? I don't mind it.

[Tana]

I like them on everyone else. It's just like my biggest insecurity. I don't know why that is so funny.

[Trisha]

I never even knew that was like insecurity. People had because it's like, everyone has them.

[Tana]

I just don't want them. I want to be so, like, flat. But also, like, whatever it is, like, plaguing, like, it definitely feels the same way to me as I did before my nose job where just, like, it's all I thought about, like, all the time in, like, photos. And even if right now someone told me you can only, like, facetune one thing forever, I would smile lines.

[Trisha]

That is crazy.

[Tana]

Like, I just wild. And I get the sentiment. Like, I really do. And I would say the sentiment to everyone else. Like, they're from you being happy, and they're from you smiling. And that's the beauty of life.

[Trisha]

And I agree.

[Tana]

I love smiling. I love being happy. And I just. And I don't notice them on anyone else, like, and whatever. What?

[Trisha]

Okay, yes. There's more to it, but okay.

[Tana]

I don't know.

[Trisha]

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[Tana]

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[Trisha]

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[Tana]

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[Tana]

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[Trisha]

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[Tana]

No, I, I, it's, it's so funny cuz we were just talking about this in the other room and I'm in like a era where like I don't know, I lost my boobs.

[Trisha]

Yeah. Yeah. You're like oh should I? That's, that's a very different thing when you've had them and then like you've like lost weight or fluctuate or whatever and then you don't have them. It can feel very self conscious if you're so used to having something in your.

[Tana]

Yeah, the last time I was a B cup I was like in middle school, like I can't believe it. They're gone. Rest in peace. Fly high to Tana's tits. They're gone.

[Trisha]

Something chic about small boobs. I really do love I mean, I'm thinking about it for sure.

[Tana]

I just want to pick them back up, up off the ground, like.

[Trisha]

But I don't want the gravity of it all.

[Tana]

Gravity I don't want.

[Trisha]

That was beautiful.

[Tana]

What's that from, John May?

[Trisha]

Oh, that. It was like divine gravity from Wicked or something. I was like, how beautiful.

[Tana]

Just John Mayer.

[Trisha]

Did you ever have a John Mayer dating story? We'll go back to the saggy boobs in a minute.

[Tana]

No, I never had a John Mayor dating.

[Trisha]

Everyone is and still ever. Like, influencers are dating John Mayer. I'm like, how is he just everywhere dating everybody.

[Tana]

Like, she was dating that girl Cat, right?

[Trisha]

Yes. I love that you know her. That's so random. I feel like it's niche, but maybe it's not niche.

[Tana]

She's, like, so cute. She just likes so cute.

[Trisha]

But yeah, when I saw, like, her with John Mayer, like, no, John Mayor. Keep away from her. She seems so, like, cute and cute.

[Tana]

But I'm not going to lie. Like, him singing to you for 72 hours, kind of sickening.

[Trisha]

Shoot me.

[Tana]

Oh, you love it.

[Trisha]

That would be my worst nightmare. John Mar.

[Tana]

Shoot me.

[Trisha]

That's where you were going to go. And I was like, we're going to do it. 1, 2, 3. And then you're like, well, you would love that. That's what you would love that.

[Tana]

I tell you, I love a sad

[Trisha]

man with a sad little stab for other reasons. That's crazy. Oh, my God, that's so funny. Well, John Mayor.

[Tana]

Well, I know you call. You know, like, I've seen, Like, I've really taking it there.

[Trisha]

What? Oh, I'm so embarrassed to be in this room right now. That's Gen Z cringe right there. Even that makes me puke. That daughter song. I'm like, no, you're just trying to get into, like, mom's pants or something. Like, you're just so trying to date the daughters. Oh, that too. Yeah. It's like daughters turn into your mother and they become lovers. I'm like, stop, stop. It's actually such an egg when you think about it. Like, why are you talking about my daughter that way? Like, gross. Okay, honestly, why does he say that, right? About daughters.

[Tana]

Does he have a daughter? Google now.

[Trisha]

No, he definitely does not have kids. I know. I. I know the lore because he was awful to my Jessica Simpson. So I know he has no wife, no kids. He was awful to just himself.

[Tana]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha]

And then Taylor Swift, he did when she was like, yeah, like, you're a weird creep.

[Tana]

I'm an idiot, by the way. Like dear John. All too well is. No, that's about Jake Gyllenhaal. The scarf, Right.

[Trisha]

My God, that's crazy. Her lord too. Yes.

[Tana]

John Mayero has no kids. No, wait, that is really like what possessed you to wake up and go to the studio and be like, girls become lover. The turn into mother.

[Trisha]

Yeah, it's like, oh, no. Why are you thinking about that? That's so weird.

[Tana]

That is so funny.

[Trisha]

Yeah. Cuz you talked about like Jessica Simpson being like sexual napalm. And you're like, you're gross. You're such a pig.

[Tana]

What? Sexual what?

[Trisha]

Napalm. And she was. That's when she was like, just divorce. Like a explosion in bed. Like he. I guess he was like thinking he's giving her a compliment. She was like really conservative at the time. Like she had just gone out of relationship with Nick and it was like this whole thing. And you're like, why are you saying all this?

[Tana]

Do you see that clip of him? Nick Lachey? He was on another. Yeah, who's.

[Trisha]

Who's worse? Nicholas? Like, okay, would you rather have John Mayer seeing at you for the rest of your life? You. What message you want over nickel?

[Tana]

Shay? Anything. Yes. At least there's talent in the chat. Like, what is Nick Lachey going to provide for me? Like a dating show commentary?

[Trisha]

You know what? I think they're both bottom of the pits of hell. But I do think Nick is a little more talented than John Mayer.

[Tana]

Oh, what a. Nicholas. Okay, hold on, hold on. Because here, I honestly don't know. What did Nick Lachey do other than love?

[Trisha]

Cherish you for the rest of my life? You don't know 90 degrees.

[Tana]

No. I'm so embarrassing because, like I was just thinking of him as the love is blind host. I literally forgot.

[Trisha]

He like multitalented, made music. Okay, yeah.

[Tana]

You know what?

[Trisha]

Great. Like, honestly, like Logan Loki. 90 degrees sucks. But he did have a really great voice. He still has a pretty good voice. He's like touring like random, like little

[Tana]

theaters and 90 degrees was his band.

[Trisha]

90 degrees. Give me just one night. Uno noche. They were kind of like.

[Tana]

And it was. He never in like ins. Not in.

[Trisha]

It was like the same time.

[Tana]

Oh, okay.

[Trisha]

They were like a boy band explosion. And 90 degrees was maybe like the lesser. They were like. It was like Brittany, Christina and then like Mandy Moore and then it was like in sync. Backstreet Boys, 90 degrees. You know what I mean? There's always like a little side one that maybe wasn't as like Popping. But because he out with Jessica and they didn't really weds, he became a lot more popular. I mean, he is the worst. He's such a pig.

[Tana]

Did you see him talk about seeing her on the plane on like the

[Trisha]

late night Andy, Was it to Hawaii? Were they going to Hawaii?

[Tana]

Yeah, I think so.

[Trisha]

Yeah.

[Tana]

I literally think to Maui.

[Trisha]

I saw that and I was like, why are you like sharing all her business? Like, you're so weird. He's like, yeah, I didn't see the kids. It was like her mom and her. And first. Yeah.

[Tana]

Like insinuating that she put the kids in economy.

[Trisha]

Yeah. And it's like. And everyone's like, well, whatever. Like, she can do that. Like, it's like her money. Like, he was trying to make it seem weird and. And I don't know, I was like,

[Tana]

I wonder what happened between them. Do you know? Just.

[Trisha]

I don't know personally. But what everyone gathers is she became too successful and he was jealous. I mean, there was rumors that she went to do Dukes of Hazzard and cheated with Johnny Knoxville on him and which rightfully so because he was such a pig and she should cheat on him 5,000 times. But then there's also like, he was definitely jealous of her.

[Tana]

He was fired up about a man. You are so funny.

[Trisha]

He has sounded a good looking. But I hate him. I really do hate him. John Mayer has none of that. He's none of the above.

[Tana]

I honestly forgot that John Mayer was like, dear John, like had like a crazy, like history. That is tough.

[Trisha]

Stay away from Cat Sticklin. I love her and I'm like, oh, God. I just. Hopefully they're not together anymore for Cat's sake. Because I really love her and I love her daughter, mj. That's a parasocial on me though. I really am parasocial too, because I'm like, they're so cute together, like always, like baking cookies.

[Tana]

They are really, really cute though. And like the daughter, there's always. You can tell that she's just parented her daughter so well too. Like when it comes to like affirmations and like the smart things that come out of her daughter's mouth, like, it's

[Trisha]

very sweet and they just always look happy and.

[Tana]

Yeah. And she. I feel like I don't always like, live for the skit tiktoks.

[Trisha]

Yeah.

[Tana]

I. And I love Madison Humphrey because she's the one who like makes fun of the skit TikTok. She's like that girl who always does the remakes. I love her okay. But Kat is one of the only ones who will like do a skit and I'll actually like, laugh because her personality comes through and it's like funny.

[Trisha]

Okay. Yeah.

[Tana]

Oh, there's actually another one, but I'm forgetting her name. Never mind. There are a few.

[Trisha]

Tiktoker either.

[Tana]

But yeah, I just want to see some like getting ready, talking about how she like ran over her husband in like 2007.

[Trisha]

Like, that's my 2007, 20 years ago now.

[Tana]

I'm always on that side of TikTok where like some just random woman is lore dropping.

[Trisha]

I love that.

[Tana]

Like, I get so invested. I prefer that over like influencers lore.

[Trisha]

Like just someone telling us like their whole story and then you like see the follow up. Like, guys, don't be mad at my husband. Like, he's actually a great guy. And you're like, you told us what if he was? And now we're all mad. Now you're mad at us. Like, it's so crazy. There's.

[Tana]

What was toilet paper? Roll gate. Do you guys remember that? Or was it butter dish gate, butter?

[Trisha]

I don't know.

[Tana]

Okay, I'm done. I'm done.

[Trisha]

Okay.

[Tana]

Literally, I don't remember it was. But it is always the woman like being like, guys don't hate him.

[Trisha]

Right? There was one where like a guy packed the woman's lunch, his wife's lunch and he just like gave her like full bags of chips and like some beef jerky. And we're like, what the hell is this? He's so funny. And we're like, no, he didn't pack you with like a nourishing meal. Wife, like, whatever. And people get like so mad. They're always on the women's side. Which I like about TikTok.

[Tana]

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[Trisha]

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[Tana]

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[Trisha]

Did you know Sam's Club isn't a store? It's actually a club with cool finds and like a whole community.

[Tana]

It's a club. Of course, Jason. It's in the name.

[Trisha]

Sam's Club, love.

[Tana]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha]

Come join us.

[Tana]

Sam's Club. You know what it is too is you can get so jaded in a relationship where a man will just be doing some like bare minimum and you'll be like, he does everything for me. Or like he's so funny. And then like sometimes you need the outside lens of people to be like, that's not funny. He doesn't do everything for you.

[Trisha]

Yeah, yeah, no, I. I wish I would have pay attention more to comments back in the day too when people would be like, he hates you. Because I'm like, no, he's just like, you guys don't want to get it.

[Tana]

You almost like Bonnie and Clyde yourself too. Oh my God. Where it's like, he doesn't hate me. It's just awesome in this together.

[Trisha]

Yeah, he's being funny. Guys, this is our jokes that we do like. And people like, oh my God, listen to it. Listen. If enough people are telling you he's not that into you, maybe it's real.

[Tana]

Yeah. Or just that like it's that you deserve better. I don't know. You know.

[Trisha]

Should we get a little call?

[Tana]

Yes, call time.

[Trisha]

Hi, Trisha. Hi, Tana. I wanted your advice on a little situation I have. Currently I am 21 years old and I work as an after school manager. So I have kiddos with me who are from either TK to 6th grade. I recently just started this position in October and there is a parent that comes in. He is 29 years old, has a 7 year old daughter and not no wife, no marriage, no girlfriend from what I know. And I just, I think I really like him. And a month ago he actually followed me on Instagram and my Instagram name is not my. It is my real name, but it's not like my first and last, it's like my first and middle. So that definitely means that he was looking for me. He hasn't said anything to me directly, like, romantically, obviously, because his kids would with us. But I don't know. What do you think I should do? Thanks, guys. Love you so much. Bye.

[Tana]

We love you.

[Trisha]

Wow. How old is she? 21.

[Tana]

Oh, she's 21. He's 29. I mean, in my dream scenario, he's 27. Or you're 23 and he's 29. Like, in my dream scenario, it's a little less because it's so wild, like, 21 and 29. Like, it's legal and there's all those arguments and all those things. Right. But what happens to your brain across the time of 21 to 29, arguably, in my opinion, is the most transformative growth in a lifetime. I obviously. I don't know, but it's wild.

[Trisha]

Every year counts. Between 21, 29, when I look at every single year mattered so much. Different person. I was every single year up until I would say mine was, like, 31. And I was like, okay, I think I got a handle on it. But, like, yeah, that's a. Those are big years.

[Tana]

Yeah, I agree with that. So I definitely, like, find that interesting. I completely understand. Like, you're working at the school, and, like, you probably see a lot of the same people and faces every day and different stuff like that. And then all of a sudden, this, like, hot, young single dad comes in and he's, like, vibing with you. Like, I. I can understand, like, the fantasy there. And, like, obviously people have talked about. Talked about, like, women are more psychologically proven to be attracted to a man when they see him. Either, A, just be a father, like, with a kid, or B, be a good father. So, like, I can see where the attraction could come from, but I don't know. I would say do your digging. Like, whether that's by talking to him or whatever it is. Like, where is the mother of the child? And, like, that means he. He had the kid at 22. Like, what is his relationship with her, the mother? And, like.

[Trisha]

Right. So he has no girlfriend, no marriage, nothing. Like, okay, well, there has to be something.

[Tana]

Right? And, like, she's widowed. Yeah. Then. Then, okay, but she's really gonna fall

[Trisha]

in love with him. Then she's really gonna be like, wow, you're really stepping up. You know? Like, there's something about a widow dad, like, on tv, obviously, real life, it's, like, sad on tv. And when you watch those lifetime Movies, you're kind of like, wow.

[Tana]

Well, that also is like, okay, like that was out of his control. Right.

[Trisha]

Like, it's like, it's like what? Sorry, widow? You're right, that part. Because it was like he probably. Yeah, you probably like really wanted to work and like it didn't work out. Yeah.

[Tana]

Like, versus like he was just a piece of some woman or like, whatever. Like we don't know. I also think that you have to always remember as well that like, why is a 29 year old man, I don't know how small the town is that you live in. Like, maybe the dating pool is much smaller and like, I'm sure you are just beautiful and like, you know what I mean? All of those things. But 29 going for 21. Sometimes maybe there's a little bit of a red flag because also you have to remember that what he should be looking for is a strong mother figure to step in.

[Trisha]

That's where I was gonna say I was actually almost less concerned about age. I think in a normal setting. 29 to 21 year old. Okay, okay, like maybe, maybe there is still a lot. But it is more like he's not just a regular 29 year old. It's like when you have a child, it's almost like you're 49 year old. Yeah. So you have like so much more responsibility. You're gonna have so much more responsibility. What? Even if you're just dating, like, you know, you're gonna, it's such a. And you're so young to have to like deal with that. It's not impossible.

[Tana]

And he's willing to let his child get attached to this 21 year old who might not be ready for like the role of the law.

[Trisha]

And you change so much. Right. Because even, even if you were like, okay, I'm ready for it at 21, maybe at 25, you're like, I want my youth. Does he want another kid? Like there's just, it's just so much more complicated. And he is raising this kid. There is another person involved. It's just a very complicated situation to get into. So that's more I would say my flag because it's like, oh, like you're very young.

[Tana]

Yeah. So I guess. But the advice that where my head goes to is like, listen, like she's calling in like, clearly you, you have a crush on him. I don't just see you like stopping that or like putting a complete on that. I guess my advice to you would be to take it very slow. Like just daytime dates. Where you sit and you really get to know him and what he's looking for in the next few years. And I think that'll tell you a lot about his emotional maturity. Because if he's looking for just some like fling thing, that's not a good guy. Like he's got a kid and he shouldn't be just trying to have a fling and a 21 year old. Like, I don't, I don't know.

[Trisha]

I think there's like a. Not a rule, but they say Kim Kardashian has the rule of like six months. She introduces like someone to a kid. So like, yeah, like get to know him slowly for six months and like before you even. Does she know the kid?

[Tana]

Well, she sees the kid cuz teacher

[Trisha]

school, but they're not in. Like, she's not teaching the kid or anything like that.

[Tana]

Well, she said that the kid is always there. Like she hasn't had any moments with him without the kid. So clearly, even if she's not teaching the kid, she's in an environment with him.

[Trisha]

Because even that's a whole complicated thing. Like, oh my God. I think it's like, I'm not trying to judge too harshly, but like, if a parents are stating like the child's teacher, I think that makes it so much more complicated because you're just like, why are you dating my teacher dad? You know what I mean? Like, it is such a. Yeah, make. Makes it more.

[Tana]

The kid should not know. I feel like the kid literally shouldn't know. Unless you two got to a point where you wanted to seriously take on life together for the sake of the kid. And that if I were in that situation, I feel like that's what I would be saying. I would be like, listen, like, I'm attracted to you and I would love to get to know you slowly. And then like, you know, maybe if this goes somewhere like way later down the line, like, then I'd be willing to like meet the child in that way, like as your girlfriend and maybe step into that role. But just you're young and I would take it very slowly and very carefully. No matter how attracted you are.

[Trisha]

Dating someone with kids is like not for the faint of heart. Like I can like confidently say I've dated people with kids and it goes. It was like not for me. And I like. So it takes a special kind of person to date someone with kids when you don't have kids. Even when you do have kids, like dating, because you're just like never gonna be their priority, rightfully so. Their kids should be their priority. But it's just like, you'll never be their priority then. And. And sometimes that's hard to grasp. It was hard for me to grasp before I had kids.

[Tana]

It's like.

[Trisha]

And it wasn't hard. I understood it. It's just like, hard to be that person. It's like, oh, like, I'm not. And so maybe you're fine with it. Maybe. Obviously you're a teacher, so you're pretty selfless and stuff like that. But it is. It's just a whole other, like, layer. And yeah, take it slow. Make sure that's the one. Maybe it is. Maybe sparks fly. But it gets messy with, like, being a teacher and like, the. I don't know.

[Tana]

And like, you are like, if you get serious with this man, you are stepping into the role of stepmom. Someone that I'm really close to actually just started dating someone. Someone with a kid. And I fully watched this person become a parent. And like, now I. Now I hang out with this person and their significant other and their child. And it is quite literally, like, my friend is now the parent of this child and, like, raising the child and doing all these things with the child. And my friend really wanted that. Right. So it works really well. And like, the child didn't necessarily have a parent in that other role. So it really, really worked out.

[Trisha]

That's great.

[Tana]

Like, just. It was everyone's dream, single scenario. Right? Like, just to. It can work. Raise the kid. But that's because my friend really wanted that. Really wanted to, like, be in that role. And like, there could definitely be a moment too, where you're 25 and you wake up and you're like, I didn't. I wasn't ready to be a mother. And I have been. Or I'm not being the stepmother to this child. And now I feel guilty because this child deserves someone who wants.

[Trisha]

It's just layered that that girl can be there too. It's like when you. When you. Yeah, there's a lot.

[Tana]

And what are his intentions? Because the. Your age, you have to remember that his intentions could be a little wonky. Tonious.

[Trisha]

Yeah. And you gotta just be sure you're good. Because maybe it is better if he's just looking for a hookup. Maybe just the thing. He's hot and you're like, okay, we'll just do a casual hookup thing. But then if he's looking for someone to be the mom like that. I mean, it could be a whole thing. So there's.

[Tana]

And be careful. With the hookup. Because if you catch feelings, then, like, you now have feelings for someone with a child. So, like, if you're going to do that, I don't know, I almost say if you're going to go on dates with him, maybe go on a date with another, like 24 year old off the dating app at the same time and understand the real difference in these two choices. Like.

[Trisha]

Right, okay.

[Tana]

You know, make a little Venn diagram.

[Trisha]

Okay. I don't know what advice. Like, just good luck though. I mean, that's. Yeah, I would always say maybe.

[Tana]

Yeah, we understand where you're coming from. Like, he's coming in and there are attractions and stuff, but it's a big thing to take on.

[Trisha]

Yeah. Hey, Trisha and Tana, I'm gonna leave my. My name, like, not in it, but my girlfriend actually put me on your podcast, like, to listen to it and I do. And we broke up yesterday and I find myself still listening to it. I know y' all joke about, like, oh, like, it's for the girls and the gays, but like, loki, it's funny. So, like, I listen to it too. So I just want to tell you all that, like, as a straight guy, like, I like Yalls podcast. I think it's funny. But yeah, we just broke up yesterday. I'm kind of sad about it, but, like, I know it's for the best, so I think any advice would be great on, like, what to do after. It's my first, like, long term breakup, so I think it's like different to hear it from a guy's point of view. But anyways, Yalls podcast is funny, so peace. I'm going to hell.

[Tana]

I'm going to hell. Non stop flight to hell.

[Trisha]

Wait, why? Because. What did you do?

[Tana]

I'm dying laughing too. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wherever you are, I'm so sorry for everything I said before. You said the thing about your breakup.

[Trisha]

Wait, why? What did you say?

[Tana]

I just felt like I was like, really, like, really coming for the straights calling in and like, why are they calling in?

[Trisha]

Empathy. I might. More like, what did you do that caused the breakup? Tell us the real tea. Okay, like, that's. What did you do? And then we'll give you advice. Go to counseling, go to therapy, Stop hurting women.

[Tana]

We need her to call in. We need both sides. We need. Can you call us back and tell us your side? And then can she call us? Hey, girly, we love.

[Trisha]

You were sympathizing with him a little. You were like, oh, I feel bad Now?

[Tana]

No. But do you know what I just imagined? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And I, like, have exes who would do this. I'm imagining I went through the breakup and this is my comfort show, and I'm watching an episode, and all of a sudden, in my little comfort bubble, space show, I'm watching. I'm so excited to see what my girls are talking about. And then I hear the voice of my ex. Clenching, clenching.

[Trisha]

Get out of here. I turned you on to them. Yeah. Why? Yeah. And like.

[Tana]

Like, just think about it. The odds of this. Like, we get so many calls. Like, there is some girl somewhere right now being like, what do you mean? He's on Notebook?

[Trisha]

And we're like, you'll be okay. Take some time, King. And she's like, actually, he cheated on me with 55 women. Okay. We don't know the lore. We don't know the whole story.

[Tana]

We don't know the whole story. I just. Girl, wherever you are, I'm really sorry that your ex called in and the call got chose. However, I mean, we don't know the thing. And a breakup always sucks. And I hope that both parties are, like, healing and going through it. And I'm gonna try to, like, benefit of the doubt this answer, and I'm gonna pretend it was an amicable breakup in my head. And that, like, no party did, like, an extreme wrongdoing. And obviously whichever one did, I guess my advice more so goes towards the party in the. Right here, right? Like, God, going through breakups are hard, but I think they're such vital points of life because you break up up because it doesn't work. And I think breaking up is so much harder and stronger than staying as well. It is. Sometimes it's so easy to stay in something that's comfortable, something, you know, like actually making the decision to start over and mourn this person. And like, even he's, like, watching her old show and calling in to her old show. Like, you know, that feeling of trying to hold on to the remnants of the person is. Yeah. Like, it's just. That's tough, you know? You know, but at the same time, like, anyone going through a breakup out there, like, the real answer is that, like, you did the right thing by not staying in the thing that wasn't serving you any longer. Sometimes something can serve you for a very long time, and, you know, then it doesn't anymore, and you will prevail and you will meet. You will meet your person that there is no breakup. And sometimes, too, like, we always talk about this, but I feel like we wouldn't be able to be the partners that we all are to the people, to the loves of our life if it wasn't for every intricacy and every breakup of every other relationship that we ever had. And as much pain as I was in for so long, like, I wouldn't change any of it because I needed those lessons and to know what I wanted, didn't want and who I wanted to be in a relationship and what made me secure and what made me happy.

[Trisha]

And if you are in the wrong of the breakup, like, you can, like, learn from it. If you're in the right or if you're like, you're. It's mutual or amicable or whatever, you. You just, like, know that wasn't meant for you and the one. Because, like, I think everyone who, like, has found the one can say, like, thank God it didn't work out with anyone else in my past. Because that would have been so insane.

[Tana]

Yeah.

[Trisha]

Because when you meet that right one, you're like, oh, my. Like, my life is so easy, so perfect, so wonderful. And it's like I was struggling in every relationship. Like, I was doing worse version of myself in every relationship. So even if it was amicable, I still feel like if it was meant to be, it would be. It could still be. And if it's not meant to be, then you'll, like, meet someone else or.

[Tana]

Yeah.

[Trisha]

Another girl, another. Maybe try men.

[Tana]

I don't know. Yeah.

[Trisha]

Yeah, I always did that. Like, if one didn't work out, I'd be like, let me try, girl. You know what I mean?

[Tana]

Or flip flopping era.

[Trisha]

Yeah. Because sometimes. Sometimes it works. Was it. I think it's Nikki demar, which just did a video where she was like, I was so unhappy. And then she realized, like, oh, when she started dating women, she's like, oh, this is what it was. I wasn't like, my authentic self. And yeah, sometimes you don't know until you try. So I don't even mean that a funny way. Like, maybe. Maybe try a man.

[Tana]

Yeah. And sincerely, there are so many options and you're young and everyone will prevail. Or I always say too, like, if you're really mourning a person and it was slight things that needed to change. Sometimes people come back together in different points of life when they work on themselves and try and everything. So we're sending our love to all parties in this breakup and letting everyone know that they got this. But as the man who called in, if you did anything wrong and you bamboozled us. Just know that we're writing for your girl. Yeah. Go down.

[Trisha]

That's it. Did you. Do you ever follow Carly? But Bible.

[Tana]

Yes.

[Trisha]

Do you know her lore?

[Tana]

How she was with Brent, Right?

[Trisha]

Yes. I love that you know this, like,

[Tana]

terabytes of space Brett. And they were super cute. And then he went off to do some show. Vanderpump. Yeah. And I guess he was, like, a little crazy on Vanderbilt.

[Trisha]

Oh, I don't even know more of that. He wasn't like Tom Zal. So I was like, oh, I guess he's.

[Tana]

I guess that's true. Everyone dos in comparison.

[Trisha]

Yeah. I was like, yeah, he went to LA and now they're, like, back together after 10 years. She had, like, a kid with somebody else, but they're doing, like, family photos together now. And I'm kind of like, crying because I. They were like. I remember even back then, I was like, wow, they're really beautiful. Do you know when, like, two beautiful people are, like, together kind of like. Okay. I know I talk about Brook Monk a lot because I, like, love Brook Monk, but she just did a TikTok where she's like, I know I'm the ugly one. I'm like, you guys are like, both, like, models. Like, it's so crazy to me. When she said this, I didn't know. People tell me I'm so ugly. And I was like, oh, my God.

[Tana]

It's crazy, but sad that she feels that way.

[Trisha]

But, like, it's the guys. It's like guys being like, you're. Like, you're. Why with her? She's so ugly as a. People are weird. She's like. Like a mom. They look like each other, actually. But, yeah, it's just like. Yeah. And then to see them back together now, like, 10 years later, Carly and Brad, I was like.

[Tana]

And two beautiful people with such a personality and a connection. You see hot people together and they're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Back and forth to each other. Like, they had such a dynamic connection and personality and, like, just like you. They were the type of couple where I remember OG YouTube watching them.

[Trisha]

Crazy, because you would have been like, what?

[Tana]

Like, I loved Carly Bible. Wow. I really did. I. I still do. I mean, she's beautiful. She's very unproblematic amongst a lot of the other beauty girls, I think.

[Trisha]

I don't think she's ever been in a drama in her life. Yeah. Is just perfect with her cat. She has, like, seven cats.

[Tana]

Yeah. And she's gorgeous. I loved it. They're the type of couple that you sit and, like, smile at watching. And I think that's really cute. And that story is really cute. You know, like, sometimes people really do just grow and come back together.

[Trisha]

Yeah. So it is. It is possible. I like when that happened. I think Mikayla too, and we talk about her a lot. Michaela Gore. I think her boyfriend, too, was from high school.

[Tana]

Yeah, There's a lot of Laura.

[Trisha]

Yeah.

[Tana]

Yeah, there's a lot of Laura There.

[Trisha]

Haven't seen that trend where it's like. And that's my. Why. Yes. Have you done that with Michaela?

[Tana]

No, I actually should because I saw yours and it was so cute.

[Trisha]

Yeah, there was like, I gotta make a whole list. Well, Mikayla inspired it, but I didn't know Michaela's had controversy behind it because they're like, were you emotional cheating on Cody?

[Tana]

I just. I would love to know the real back end of the lore there. Even the, like, divorce court. I saw a lot of divorce people, like, people divorce lawyers, like, unpacking that video and stuff.

[Trisha]

Get ready with me. She go, I gotta look as hell. And it's like Christian Louboutin's Louis. I feel like I appreciate the camp that is Michael. And I really do think she trolls a little bit. So I'm like, don't think that's fully her.

[Tana]

Yeah, I agree with the trolling. For sure. Yeah, for sure. It's just so funny, the idea of wearing, like, Louboutins and Louis Vuitton to divorce court. They're like, yeah, we're gonna give all the money to the other one.

[Trisha]

Yeah, yeah. Like you owe him those Louboutins, actually, because he was in her contact. I know. It does get, like, a little messy because you. He was in her contents.

[Tana]

I feel like he'll. In our lifetime, he'll speak out. Yeah.

[Trisha]

Unless they sign like, a little.

[Tana]

I was just gonna say.

[Trisha]

Or money. Take some money. I would have. When I think about Brian Chicken, I'm like, turning down. What was it? 12 million. I'm not taking the 12 million to never talk, just to not talk about your ex anymore. I would take 12 million 100. Which one of my exes would pay me?

[Tana]

12 million is just.

[Trisha]

That's a lot. It's like life changing. Insane.

[Tana]

It is a lot of money. But I also see the other side where there is something so empowering about, like, not feeling indebted or suppressed, like, to the man. It's that. That one's so layered because, like, it's an amount of money that you'd really have to. At least I would. I don't want to speak for anyone else. Like sit and think. Like I could never talk about them again and I could like be set up for life. But also like I was so emotionally and narcissistically abused by this person. They're just going to keep doing it quite literally to girls who look just like me. Like, but it doesn't.

[Trisha]

It didn't stop. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't stop him. She talked, she told her whole story and he still got married to someone. You know what I mean? So it doesn't stop. I agree with you. I, I didn't see that side of it. I would 100 take them money because that's why I feel like it does give you some sort of peace, I guess. Like, you know, and I, I respect.

[Tana]

I don't know. I can't guarantee like if I was in Brianna Chickenville's situation, like I said, I just. $12 million is so much money that like it would be something to like really, really sit and think about for sure both ways. But I will say that like what she did a message that she put out by not accepting that money is one of the most noble things I've like yeah. Seen in regards to that. Because I couldn't guarantee that I wouldn't. I really couldn't.

[Trisha]

I would 100% take it. But I agree. I think. You think. I think it is good. I don't want people to think that I'm like, that's the wrong for.

[Tana]

But if something traumatic happens to you, like speaking about it. You know what I mean? And bringing awareness to your real life and how things. Even the Kayla Malik and the Brianna's like, I was just saying, like there's lasting effects to those things that are years long and bringing the awareness to it is so important. But I can also understand the flip side of that, that coin that the more you talk about it, the more. Well, I don't know. It's probably weighing on you either way. I don't know. I don't know. I am kind of pro talk about it, but I'm pro talk about everything. I can't shut up like my life depends on it.

[Trisha]

I'm with you because obviously I talk about things. Is it ad nauseam? Is that how you say that phrase? And I talk about things so much. But the things I do stay silent on that. Like I've traumatized me for real. And I'm like, I will never talk about. I weirdly A piece about it because, oh, I'll never talk about it. So I don't care what's happening. As opposed to, like, a David coming up or something. Something it, like, triggers in me again. I'm like, well, let me tell you about how awful David was. But it's like, there's something nice where it's just like, when I've stayed silent on people or something that I'm like, oh, I never have to address that because I'm never going to. You know what I mean? So there is. I don't know.

[Tana]

Yeah, there's. There's so. To both sides. Because the second that you also do bring something to the Internet, you are opening yourself up to so many opinions.

[Trisha]

There's never winning.

[Tana]

There's no winning when, like, something bad happens to you in the public eye. Like, all of the. All. All of the answers are, the Internet's so scary. Like, real life is. I'm just touching grass. It's my mantra.

[Trisha]

That's a great one. And you really are. I think Maui has definitely helped your growth.

[Tana]

It's just nice how much there's no cell phone service there. Whether I wanted to or not. I can't look around, check out the trees. Huh?

[Trisha]

I'm gonna try and come there. I'm gonna try and come one time because I really love it too.

[Tana]

I was. And a not love line from the beach is everything.

[Trisha]

I do love how you do that. I'm like, how are you even getting out there? Like, all these locations with, like, the camera crew.

[Tana]

We have a generator that is so massive. It's so funny.

[Trisha]

I need to see the behind the scenes of it.

[Tana]

Yeah. It's definitely not, like, pretty. Like, us actually getting to the place and, like, doing the things you're doing that it's been really. Even the Makoa episode was so fun. Like, just us getting the truck out there and setting.

[Trisha]

He's like, good vibes.

[Tana]

I know. I was, like, so surprised. He was down to do a whole hour podcast with me.

[Trisha]

Really? Why are you surprised? Because he's just, like, not out there like that.

[Tana]

Yeah. It's like opening yourself up to really be heavily perceived in long form, you know?

[Trisha]

And RJ, though, even when he was here for, like, 10 minutes, I was like, God, he's just, like, charismatic and cool.

[Tana]

And I love seeing him, like, because I think it's been a longer burn on because I know Mako and his real personality very, very, very well. But obviously, when you've never been on camera your whole life.

[Trisha]

Yeah.

[Tana]

And he's more reserved in general. Even if everyone's talking in a room, he's not gonna, like, add to the conversation unless he feels necessary. He doesn't have that bone in his body of like, I need to be heard. I need to. To be seen. I need to at all.

[Trisha]

Like, it's every influencer.

[Tana]

Yes.

[Trisha]

Including me.

[Tana]

Yeah.

[Trisha]

My opinion on this. No one asks.

[Tana]

And we picked up a camera, you know, like, we chose that. So in the beginning, I would really watch on camera. He would, like, really kind of be.

[Trisha]

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[Tana]

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[Trisha]

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[Tana]

You really reserved, and I was like, no, I want the you in bed at night. Like, you know, and that just took time. And he really gave that in this episode. And I was like, aw.

[Trisha]

I. I do love him. Proud of him in this era. It's so cute to see both of you guys. I can't wait for the wedding. Unless you're already married, which I don't know.

[Tana]

Oh, my God. Trisha really thinks we're already married. It's honestly funny. This rock on my finger. On my left finger. Not helping. And there's a band underneath it.

[Trisha]

Yeah, you should never wear it on that finger.

[Tana]

Oh, my God. Bible. I just switched them.

[Trisha]

What?

[Tana]

But honestly, matter of fact, hell no. I bought this in Vegas with roulette winnings.

[Trisha]

I think it's a bad thing for people to think that, you know? I know, but it's like, in your head, you're committed that way.

[Tana]

No, but I'm committed to the. Oh, my God. Everyone's looking at me like they don't believe me.

[Trisha]

I'm committed. Why?

[Tana]

To the vision of my actual wedding. Everyone will know.

[Trisha]

That's right.

[Tana]

Vegas and Maui weddings, Meg, you would know because you'd be planning it.

[Trisha]

My wedding planning is a whole other thing. That'd be crazy, but that'd be everything.

[Tana]

No, she'll be delegating and marching around with the clipboard.

[Trisha]

It's a lot I would love, though. I can't wait for that.

[Tana]

I know. I'm so excited for our wedding. But not yet.

[Trisha]

Okay? Take your time, Queen I switched drinks. That's so funny. Yes. All right. Well, that's all the time we have for today. I think we answered one question, but two. Oh, we did. Did. Next time we'll do a speed round because we are filming back to back. But we'll answer calls. And we love answering calls. And we love you guys. Thanks for being here. Check out Patreon. We're going to go over there now for the extended episode, patreon.com not loveline.

[Tana]

I really love today's episode. It was really great. And I appreciate our callers and our Straight one straight.

[Trisha]

Good luck with that.

[Tana]

Bye. See you on the Patreon.