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Oh, my God. The actual people that I know on a personal level that I like.
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Okay. Cause I was saying, like, you know, don't do it all for a lizard. Have you ever been with a guy, like, so hot that you, like, put up with cheating?
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Yes. Or put up with so many things like.
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Or other red flags? Yeah.
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Jesus.
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Welcome. This is not a Loveline. Sometimes it's not. Not Loveline.
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Sometimes.
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We're not never taking calls today. We'll take some calls, but we do have so much to catch up on. We've been already talking for an hour. Catching up on.
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We always do this. I, like, I'm having one of those weeks where. Let me tell you guys something. Like, I'm just having a bad week, okay? Like, I mean, good things are happening still. I was saying I've never, like, been in an era of life where, like, so many good things are happening, but the bad things still don't stop happening. I don't know. Like, it's just interesting. And, like, I was having just a day. Like, I just was really emotional all day, and I was like, I am so happy I get to come to Trisha Paytas House. Like, I want to live here. It's about to be Malibu, Elvis, Aquaman, and me. Like, you come here and all your problems aren't here, and everything is great, and there's rhinestones everywhere, and Moses is making something yummy, and we get to talk about whatever the we want. And I'm just. I'm forgetting about my problems today.
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He was making some steaks upstairs, and I was literally thinking about you. He made homemade steak and fries, and I was like, oh, wait, I feel like Tana, like, loves the steak. And I forget that about you. And I was like, wait, it was really good. He makes the best. Like, we just did it for our gesture. Swish. But you know what? Maybe you. But you said it so beautifully. Like, it's like everything. So much good is happening. And, like, these, like, quote unquote, bad things happening, they're probably just, like, you know, little tests, right? You've grown, and the universe is just, like, testing you to be like, what. What's important in life Channel. It's not the leaks. It's not this. You know what I mean? It's just like. But it's like, it's true. The foundation of who you are is not the foundation of your house. You know, you're right.
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You're right. And it's not just the house. It is, like, a lot of, like, just personal, just so much.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of hitting the fan for me right now, and I don't. Is Mercury in retrograde?
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Maybe we should look that up. I do think that's such a real thing, because. And by the way, Mercury's in retrograde quite frequently. Like, every few months, it's in retrograde. So it could possibly be that.
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I feel Gatorade retrograde down today.
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Like, which is, like, you saw good energy. It's so funny because you did tell me there was some, like, some more serious things that you were talking about. And I was like, your energy is still there.
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Like, I really can just come here and, like, I put. I'm putting all my things at the door, and I'm happy to be doing not Loveline. And I'm so grateful. That's the thing. Like, there are so many grateful things in my life right now. But you're right. Tests is definitely the word. I think I'm getting, like, 10 different tests from the universe right now. Just all different things. All vastly different things. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. Firstly, my house has black molds. That's what I was telling Trisha about, which is awesome. Which, by the way, like, I just. I. You know, for Christmas this year, I sat on Santa's lap and I said, can I please have black mold? Like, I was like, please? Just please. If you can give my house black mold. Is it confirmed? Yes. Like, beyond. I have to rip the wood out of a wall in one room and rip the floors up in one room. It's like, one of the biggest rooms in the house. So it's like, I. I just. To all of you out there who have positioned the be all end all to being A homeowner. I'm going to tell you that it is the be all, end all of my mental health. And it's the 500 game. Everything is five. Everything is so expensive.
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Sometimes 5,000.
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Yes.
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Sometimes 50,000.
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Yes.
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Great. Bruce. Our 50,000 new tiling is 50. I'm like, who has $50,000? We do ours in increments, truly. Like our roof and just the parts that we need at a time. We're like, we'll get this one done. Because it's. It is so insane. Like, we were. Yeah, we were talking about this. It's like I rented my entire life. Like, this is the first time I've ever owned. And people are like, wow, she still friends. Like, they give. It was a bad thing. Like, oh, she's throwing away money.
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Just like gray hair when I rented.
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Yeah.
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Like, it's. And it's so nice that you can call someone else and it's their financial problem. It's their problem. And also, like, even just with the economy, like with buying a home and then how much all of these things cost, at what point is it not worth it? I wish someone told me that you should buy a house well under what you think your budget is as a safety net for the things that could go wrong.
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You know, that's actually great advice. Yeah. You should definitely do, like, if your budget's like a million dollars, you should do a half a million dollar house.
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Because you will end up putting in so much more money than you could ever fathom. Even my house is. I fell in love with a house that was not a new build, and it was, like, older and it was super sick and it had mold, and everyone told me not to get it because it had mold. And now here I am in my new build with mold. Oh, my God.
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Black mo. Gnarly. Although hot girls have black mold. I think Holly told me she had black mold in her house.
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This is why I needed to come here, because she'll really look at me and be like, hot girls have black mold. And I'm like, you don't want, period.
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Because Holly has that really cute house. I think she talked about it on the first episode ever of Gestures. I'm pretty sure talked about it. And she was talking about how she. Yeah, there was, like, black mold. And it's just like. It's just. It does just happen. And sometimes people know, sometimes people don't because it is sometimes in the walls and. And you don't know, but. But you're, like, cleared like that. There's like a Low form of black mold.
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Yeah. They're saying that it's. It's still livable for now, so long as I fix it. And obviously the fixing it is going to be a grillion dollars for my Karen house that I don't even like, like, just. But whatever. There was a rat in the garage today. I was. And, you know, alive dead, but dead in Isabella's car.
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So, like a rat or a mouse?
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I think a mouse.
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Okay, that's fine. There's a. Mice go. Mice go in the car sometimes because it's, like, warm in there and they go in that little thing.
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But now I know a mouse person is gonna cost my pinky toe. Like, it's just. That's. That's the thing that's like. So a mouse person.
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What are you gonna do with the mouse?
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If I wanted to have people come and, like, check out if there's a problem or an infestation or a.
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Did someone pick it up and took it away?
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A nest? I honestly, I don't even know. They were, like, still in the car. Isabella was, like, handling it as I was leaving the house today. So I was like, I'll see you later. I'll find out about the mouse.
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But this is the mouse expert if you ever need anything. He's very good at, like, setting them free or giving them burials if they're dead, you know. But, like, if we have a mouse, if he, like, catches. He always tries to, like, free it. And if it's already dead in my car or something like that, he gives a little burial for it.
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Is it just. Yeah, it's this area for sure. Like, mice.
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Yeah. We're, like, in the mountains, so we just have, like, coyotes and snakes and everything.
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My house is very. Critters and. Critters and critters and lions and tigers and bears. Oh, my. No.
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It's booze to be like. Everyone's like, oh, you're in, like, a mountain or hills. But it's like. But the bobcats are there too.
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Yes. Yes, they are. Oh, my God.
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Why Vegas doesn't have, like, coyotes.
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Vegas does have coyotes. Question mark. Scorpions are a big problem in Vegas. That was like. What I remember is people finding. You'd find a lot of scorpions, like, in your house. Yeah. Like, in your shoes. Like, you can never put on a pair of shoes in Vegas without going, like, boom, boom, boom. And, like, making sure. Like, that's a thing that you learn at a young age.
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Do you ever get stung?
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I didn't. Thank God. Thank God.
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Yeah. That'd be so gnarly. But I do feel with you, with the renting of it all, it can be less stressful. You're not dumping a lot of money into, like, the down payment. Because also, some people, like, they're. Yeah. They, like, can't afford it, and, like, they have to foreclose or, like, whatever, and then they lose the down payment.
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Sometimes you're so high, interest rates are high, and then every. Everything just cost so much money. There's something just happened to my friend in Vegas. He bought a house, and he was, like, super stoked about it. And then his lawn started, like, exploding. Water and the pipes, like, whatever. And it would have been covered for him if the water was coming one inch closer to his house, but, like, because it, like, something to do with, like, some pipes are the cities and some pipes are yours or whatever. And, like, the house was probably, like, $750,000, and, like, he had to put, like, $30,000 into it immediately. It's a new build. Like, it's just.
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I don't know, like, putting the money in is. Is painful.
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It's very cool to feel responsible and feel, like, the feeling of, like, wow, I made it. I bought a house. But it doesn't end there. And I wish I could, like, tell people that, like, it just continues. And at what point is it. I don't know. Just, like, being a renter, I miss it all the time. Like, you're just. You're so much more carefree, and you're not tied down.
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Like you said. Like, you're not feeling the vibes of the house or whatever, but you feel.
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You have a problem, you can just call.
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Yes, in theory, hopefully, if you have.
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A good landlord or go or. Yeah, like, I just. And obviously, people have bad. I've had bad landlords where I had to fix things, too, but it's, like, not this feeling of, like. Like, this is my house and I have to fix this to the utmost degree. Or, like, I. I don't. They're obviously, like, downsides and upsides to both. And I don't want to sit here and just like, I'm sitting here being like, no one should ever buy a home after buying a home. Like, I understand, but it's just like, every single day there's something.
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Yeah, it's more like making people who rent. Like, I was such a. I was a renter until I was, like, 32, and I was always made to feel bad about it.
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Me too.
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And, like, oh, are you renting?
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I was 1000% like societally pressured into buying a home. Like of people making me feel like I was a failure because I wasn't. And I get like, I get the other side where it's like, it's a smart investment and whatever. But yeah, there are just so many things that nobody tells you. I think that it's like I did everything to be as well informed as possible. And then I like moved in. I was like, oh, I know nothing. And there's so much more about this that I wish someone would have told me.
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Yeah.
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And like just. Yeah, that's my advice to everyone is like buy down. Because you never know what can end up happening and you don't want to like feel. You know what I mean?
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There's always something because like you can do all the inspections, but like leaks, for instance, you're not there during a rainstorm and you're like, well, let's see how the, where, where the leaks are at. You don't know. Literally move in.
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Literally. I did all of the most amazing inspections in the world. There was no mold one year ago when I bought this house. And now there's mold. And apparently it wasn't dehumidified well enough. And now it's about finding out who misinformed along the way and how I can handle that and if I have to pay for it or if they have to pay for it. There's a new leak because it was raining last night in the room with mold. I'm like this new leak into the. With them. It can't be good.
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It can't be good.
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I'm moving into Trisha Paytas's house. Like I'm done. I'll be down here for until further notice. And when we get the bed, it's over. Like it's over.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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Upstairs in theory could bring it down. I'm just still trying to figure out the pillow situation. And we just fixed the leak up here. We had like one big leak there and now it's just fixed.
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Perfect. McCo and I will have sex in the car. I won't have sex in the house. Like, I'm done. I live here.
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Okay. Done and done. There's a bed up there. It's a big one too. It's like nine by nine.
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That's actually funny. Imagine every not Loveline was just me actually waking up here. Like just cuz I like tana time.
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To do the show.
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Like I'm not in pajamas in a camp way. Like it's an in a highway because I don't have any problems here.
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No, but that's what I love. It gives, like, such, like, best friend vibes. Like, I come dad, and you're just, like, in pajamas and just all cutesy kids.
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I love them.
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That is kind of great. That part of it.
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I want to play with slime with them all day. I played with slime in my house the other day. I ruined three pieces of furniture. I banned slime.
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Wait. Yeah, well, definitely don't put it on the couch.
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Have you had any slime? Of course.
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It doesn't come off. Like, leave slime on a couch overnight. Like, you're just. We have a couch. It's like, just a cheap couch that we've got, like, living spaces or something, and it's just, like, slime and stuff all over it. Yeah. What happened? Why were you playing with slime? Why was it left on the couch? What was going on?
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I'm obsessed. I love slime. Okay. Like, the sensory of it all. Like, if I'm watching a movie, I love to, like, play with slime. I really do.
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Oh, my God. You're literally a toddler, actually. That's so cute, actually.
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I mean, Trevi and Paige were playing with slime, and we decided that the place to play with it was over my brand new Restoration hardware media console. And then I was like, it's wood at all. Not at all. We were scrubbing for hours. It came off.
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It did.
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It didn't leave a stain.
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It didn't. Slime is stainy.
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It's so. And I just really didn't know it was that steamy.
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Oh, my. Have you made your own slime ever?
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No. Like the borax of it all. Yes.
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Well, I use glue. What is borax?
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I don't know. Do you know what I'm talking about? Like, people make. Is it like borax?
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Oh, maybe. Maybe it's, like, more scientific than I know. We have, like, this, like, Elmer's glue slime that we made.
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That makes more sense.
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You remember back in the day, Shane would make, like, slime videos and they would get, like, literally, like, 7 million views.
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Can we please make slime for the Patreon? See, this is why I'm never going home.
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That would actually be really fun. We should do. On our seven hour filming day, we have coming up, we have to do the dream boards.
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Yes.
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And then we'd do the. The.
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We have slime to make slime.
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That'd be really fun, actually.
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And then it's like I go home and I have to Worry about my gutters, you know, I love it here. I'm gonna make slime.
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It is nice because it does. It's like, we have, like, we have windows, but they're, like, covered by, like, whatever. And so it does kind of feel. It feels Vegas in that sense where it's like, what time is it? What day is it?
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We don't know, but I really do. It's like. It's like that, like, vortex almost has a negative connotation, but, like, it's the happiest vortex in the world being here. Like, I just come and. Yeah. And needing it today. Well, you're not just the mold in the house, by the way. Like, that's a champagne problem that I'm very well aware of and blessed to have. It's like, there's just a lot of other.
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Have you talked about any of the other stuff or. No.
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No.
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Too much. It's. Yeah, it's a lot. It's heavy.
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Yeah. A hometown friend of mine, like, just some really unfortunate stuff happened, and that really sucks. And. Yeah. And just, like, people in life, I think that I ended up, like. I don't know if I've talked about this on Loveline, but I realized, like, at the end of last year how invested I can be into people I care about. And I feel like it's almost toxic to be like, I care too much, and that's my problem. And, like, whatever. Like. But, like, when I am just seeing people I love not do things that are good for them or the thing that I, like, deem to be wrong for them, I want to do everything in my power to fix it and to change it. And I've noticed this happen with, like, several people in my life. And I also think that 27 is a weird age where you start to go existential. There's something about 30 in your head where you think that your life needs to be in a certain way and that other people's lives need to be in a certain way and, like, whatever. And I'm really trying to become, like, a. Let them, like, just understand that, just like I did. People have their own timelines and their own journeys, and they have to fall on their face and they have to do. Con the wrong things to hopefully turn their life around or not. And you just have to, like, accept it. And it's hard when it's people that you love. And I love my friends. They are my family. You know what I mean? They. So it's just, like, hard for me. And I like to. You know what I mean, things that just affect. Yeah. You know.
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No, I. Yeah, I get that. It is. It is one of those things where I'm trying to think, like. I know what you mean, because I feel that with, like, certain people in my life, too, but I feel like I was also that person for, like, probably like my dad or my brother who's like, no, you gotta do things this way, or you're doing this, or you're wasting potential. You're so smart. You should do this. And it's like, yeah, sometimes, like, just going down, like, I'm, like, glad I went down my own path and made the mistakes that I made, because I feel like it just made me, like, a better person. Whereas if I just was like, I don't know, going down the path that, like, seemed right and seemed like, yeah.
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That someone else told you to do. And, like, I know that I wouldn't listen to anything that anyone else told me to do. I had to figure things out on my own. But it's just interesting, like, now that I'm at this point where I do feel, like, so together, watching people, like, like, up or, like, even just getting sober, you notice how many other people are addicts, like, just. And you can't do that for them. And just a lot of that, like, that is, like, a big lesson that 2026 is really hitting me with.
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A
Like, already.
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Yes.
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Six weeks in.
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Yes. Yes. And I'm like, like. And I'm just trying to be so Mel Robbins. So let them. So just let them, let them, let them. But it's hard because it goes against everything I am, like, intrinsically.
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And that's such a good, like, mantra. I. I'm. I'm very new to the Mel Robbins world, but I do love that. Let them so much because I'm. I'm like the. It's like if someone's like, well, if they do something I don't like, you know what I mean? Like, well, I. I can do this. And it's like, I'd rather them not, but I'm like, you know what? Just go do it. Like, whatever is, like, meant to be is meant to be. You know, I'm such a control person sometimes.
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Yeah.
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And I know yours is, like, coming out in place of, like, wanting what's best sometimes. It's like I, like, want to control things around me.
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Yeah. But that's what it is. It's like.
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Yeah, I know.
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It's just really hard when it's people that you really, like, love, and it's just like, well, sobriety is such a.
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Different thing, too, where it's like, that's.
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One of the four cases of let them that I'm having to deal with right now. But, like, just. Just.
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It's really just, like, people just need to help themselves. You know what I mean? And it's like, it'll be easier in your life, too. And I think the best way for those situations is just to also just, like, lead by example. Not just sobriety, but also just, like, live your life. You know, the. Bingo. She's living her life. Maybe because I love, like, falling. I don't really have a lot of friends, but if I, like, look at someone online doing something, I'm like, I want to go down that path too. You know, whatever they.
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And you'd think.
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And that's.
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And I'm just. I'm also the type of person where with everyone I love, I'm like, I have all the resources to help you in any way, and I would love to. And sometimes people just. Just don't want it, and they want to do the thing that's awful for them.
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Yeah.
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And you just have to twiddle your thumbs. And it's like.
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My example. Just keep doing you.
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That's. Yes. And I'm trying. I'm trying. I just. I really do, like, care so much.
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And you could always say, I don't know. This is such debate, because we haven't talked about this. I don't know the specific situation you're talking about, but you also just also throw it out there. Be like, if you ever need help, I'm here.
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Oh, I have.
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That's the thing, too.
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I've gotten to the let them point because I'm realizing, like, you can spend a year trying, you know, like, you can try every conversation, every route, every approach, every. And sometimes it's just none of it is it, and you can't. People have to fall in there. People have to do things their own way. You know, whether it's like, yeah. The toxic relationship or the doing things that are good for their life or addiction or just whatever it is, people sometimes don't want anything that you're offering them, even if they love you so much and you love them so much.
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Yeah. And then that is the best way to just at least know that you're there. You're there for help.
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Yeah.
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And people will ask for it. Eventually. They'll ask for it or they'll learn a lesson or.
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Yes. And I just have to, like, focus on all the good, because there's so much good too, you know? And that's the thing. It's like, it's not that life is just objectively bad.
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It's just like frustrating at times.
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Yeah. And I'm just like having one of those days, I think where everything is like all at once like pouring over and we all have those days, you know what I mean? And I'm just like.
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So maybe the brain literally is pouring over. So you're like, yes.
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The rainstorm did not help my rainstorm of a mentality today. I was like sobbing all day. I was like, Jesus Christ. Today? Yes.
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A
Oh my God. I didn't know you were like sobbing today. Oh my God.
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But like I said, I like after putting on my under eye concealer for the fourth time, I was like, I'm going to Trisha Paytas's house and I'm gonna use the things that this life has given me and the pains and all the things to hopefully give some girls some advice and hang out with my girl and just have a good day.
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A
You are such a fun friend. You're a good friend, but a fun friend too. Yesterday I was like literally recording music and it was like I get a text from Sienna and she's like, have you ever had a Korean head massage? Is that what they were called?
- [19:29]
B
Yes. I was at the Korean head spa and I'm like, it's one of those moments where it's happening to me and I'm like, I have to tell Trisha right now. Like she has to try this.
- [19:36]
A
Wait, so you were there when it was happening? It was so random because we, we don't text that often. Cause I'm just like the horrible texter. But it's so funny when I do get a text and it's like like. And I always check, I'm like, maybe it's like something we were filming tomorrow, maybe you can't do whatever. And then I was so funny that it was that.
- [19:49]
B
Just like have you ever tried a Korean head spa?
- [19:51]
A
And then you have me an audio which I love now I can appreciate now. Audio translates to text. Yeah, I love it.
- [19:57]
B
You just read it?
- [19:57]
A
I just read it. Cuz I weirdly like voice memos give me a little anxiety because I always think you're going to say something like so awful. Not you, but just somebody in general. I know. No, there is trauma that came from audio text messages that I literally am like shaking from.
- [20:10]
B
I'm never sending her one again, by the way.
- [20:12]
A
No, no, no, no, it's fine. But literally I remember the thing that happen years Ago, Whatever. When these voice memos were traumatizing me, I just had Moses start listening to them. I was like, just listen. Just listen. And that was before they weren't translating. Back then.
- [20:23]
B
I hated when they weren't.
- [20:24]
A
So I had to, like, listen to this.
- [20:25]
B
Now you can speed them up, which is empty. Like, if you hold down the play button, you can make them.
- [20:30]
A
And I do everyone literally tick tock. Okay. I love it. I love it. No, I love it. I just. I really have not listened to voice memos in so long because I feel a little traumatized. But. But I did love now that it translates so I could see what you see. Sexy. Like, did a little follow up. You're like, I'm here right now. It's amazing. What is it? She said massage.
- [20:46]
B
First of all, I texted him, like, have you been to a Korean head spa? And she goes, no, but actually, I'm recording. Can I say this? Yeah, you can say a Korean song right now. Like, which is so funny because we're always like. Like, something always connects us and it'll be like, anything.
- [20:58]
A
I literally said it because, like, the little, like, audio that they send you for, like, the demo was all in, like, Korean, like, words. And so I was just like, oh, my God, wait. Like, I had a screenshot because I was like, that's just such a crazy coincidence. And I. I read it briefly because I was literally recording while you're texting. So I just like, wait, this is so weird. Like, why? Because I really want to go to Korea this year, so that's, like, my goal. And so when you said that, I was like, what is? But then I was like, oh, it's like a beauty thing that you're doing in, like, LA or literally in Korea.
- [21:22]
B
No, fully in the Valley.
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A
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A
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No, not at all.
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A
Thank you, seatgeek, for sponsoring today's episode. I love, I love. Okay, so, but.
- [23:18]
B
So you go in and like, essentially they're just like, washing your hair, right? Like, that's, that's the, like, essential point, right? But you go in and they put a microscopic camera on your scalp. And I have dandruff and dermatitis. So my scalp is like, you want to talk about homeowners and tenants? Like, people might as well be living up there. Like, I just don't have a healthy scalp. And I think all the years of, like, bleach and toning to really, like, my scalp was raw and scabbing over and raw and scabbing over and raw and scabbing over for literally 10 years, you know, so now I'm on this, like, scalp rehabilitation journey, okay? And so I'm like, I want to go to a Korean head spa because, like, they, they look at it With a microscopic camera. And they tell you what's wrong with your scalp. And then you go in, you get on this massage table and like the head, you're facing up and the head part is like a little shower almost. And then they sit there and they like, like are massaging your scalp. And like it's the best feeling in the world. It's like head scratches and like we've been extension girls too. So really having someone just up in.
- [24:16]
A
Your scalp, the best feeling.
- [24:18]
B
Levitating, like levitating. And then they're putting tea tree oil to like heal it and rosemary oil. Both those are really great. And then they massage your face and do like the buccal fat type of massage, like the, the whatever. And then your neck and like all of your, like any, any. All the things I'm holding up here, all the let thems that I need to let them, they were massaging out like, oh, amazing. And then they just scrub the. Out of your scalp. Like, I've never felt cleaner. It's like an hour and a half of them, like, and moisturizing your hair, doing all these things. They take you out and then they show you the camera again so you can physically see like how much buildup has been like. And we do a lot of like products and different stuff in our hair. And you just like, I wash my hair, but like, I'm not a professional. I'm not a professional about it. I use head and shoulders and a little bit of carousel.
- [25:05]
A
I love that.
- [25:06]
B
You know the world.
- [25:08]
A
I love head and shoulders. Shoulders back in the day.
- [25:09]
B
Yeah. A little head and shoulders. A little caristas. I get in there and you know, but like I'm. These women, they're professionals. Yes. And they're so talented. And like after I felt like a baby, I felt like a newborn baby who had just been cleansed. Like as like my scalp was. I walked outside and I felt the wind on my scalp for the first time and my hair just felt like so much like healthier. My scalp, it looks amazing. It just feels so, like healthy and clean, like real clean. And. And then they blow dry your hair obviously too. And it was 120 bucks. It was $120.
- [25:44]
A
All of that for an hour and a half. Yeah.
- [25:46]
B
Like that's, that's a, A hair washing, like a face treatment, a blowout and then like an analysis and a massage.
- [25:54]
A
We need to go. Can we film it?
- [25:55]
B
Yeah.
- [25:56]
A
Can we film that block?
- [25:57]
B
Yes, anytime you want. It's my new bit.
- [26:00]
A
I would love that. Yeah.
- [26:03]
B
I feel like you shouldn't have a spray tan when you do it, or any tan, because, like, the upper half of me is definitely five shades lighter than lower half of me today. Right?
- [26:10]
A
They really did a wash.
- [26:11]
B
Yes. Like, they really got in there, you know?
- [26:13]
A
But it was one person working on you.
- [26:15]
B
Yes. And, like, Paige went and we were just like levitating. Literally levitating. It was better than sex by far. Like, if I could be Korean heads bar ever again. And like, I. I love crazy. No, I'm like, I'm like, I think I'm serious. It was that insane.
- [26:29]
A
Okay, I need to go. I would love stuff, like, because it's. It's so hard to find the ones that you know are good too, because there's just so many beauty things out there.
- [26:36]
B
Yeah. But.
- [26:37]
A
But specifically Korean beauty really has just like a choke hold on me. That's another reason why I want to go. Jordan Firstman just went to Korea to get, like, his skin all done and stuff like that. And I was just like, I really need to. It looks so good. It was like glass skin. And I was like, I need to go over there and do that. It was. It wasn't even like needles or anything. It was just like their. Whatever.
- [26:53]
B
The products. Yeah. And I'm like, the products. Korean beauty is like so much more advanced and incredible than whatever we have. Whatever Red 40 we're putting on our face over here.
- [27:02]
A
Oh, I was on. On why? Won't say. Because I won't disparage the product. But I was on something that I was like, literally it was like a three piece system. And like, I literally would like. It was good. It like, cleared up my acne. And then when you got off of it, the acne would like, come back. It'd be like, crazy, but. And it was expensive, so you had to get like every month. And like, one of the steps of it I remember, like, I would put my head on, like, my pillow at night, and the pillow would be like, bleached, like, bleached spots wherever my face was. So I was like, what is on my skin that it bleached my pillowcase? Like, it was the most insane thing.
- [27:32]
B
And it's crazy. Yeah. You tame, like, how that, like how Accutane like, up your blood and gives. You can give people tendencies. Yeah. It is wild that we have like doordash robots and then like, not just like the be all end all acne product. You're like spray lotion. Yeah. Don't get me started.
- [27:49]
A
I know the natural way is the Way to go. And, like, all I use on my face is, like, literally a turmeric. Is it turmeric? How do you say it? Tumeric or turmeric?
- [27:55]
B
I say turmeric.
- [27:57]
A
Turmeric.
- [27:58]
B
That's like biopic. I'll never know. Like, is it biopic or is it biopic?
- [28:02]
A
You say biopic?
- [28:03]
B
Yeah.
- [28:04]
A
Okay.
- [28:04]
B
Biopic is giving biopsy, so I don't know.
- [28:08]
A
So biopic is like a biography picture.
- [28:10]
B
Yes. And then I'm just like, saying biopic. I don't know.
- [28:13]
A
I don't know either.
- [28:14]
B
But turmeric. Yeah.
- [28:16]
A
I just use, like, a turmeric bar of soap and that's it. Just like this yellow soap. And I've been using it for, like, five years.
- [28:20]
B
And turmeric's really good for, like, scarring of any type too, right?
- [28:23]
A
So good. Like, I had the worst acne. Worst cystic acne. We're scarring. And it's like, literally, like, it's all I've used and it, like, makes my skin so good. I, like, love it so much. Much.
- [28:31]
B
I saw this TikTok the other day that I, like, found interesting and I. The girl had, like, a great hook, too. I don't remember what she, like, opened with, but she was like, essentially saying, like, we're all so lost. Like, like our. Like, think about, like, all the, like, milfs of the generation before us. Like, all they ever used was oil of Olay and. And like the. A dove cream or like, what. You know what I mean? Just like the. The basic products. And like, they look amazing. Like.
- [28:57]
A
Like.
- [28:58]
B
And like we're out here like salmon sperm, turmeric cupping. The. The. The devices that make your face twitch. Like someone paralyzed their face with it. Like, under eye.
- [29:09]
A
This, like, red masks that. I want to try it, but I was like, what do you have? I feel like you would have one of those.
- [29:14]
B
The UV light mask. Yeah, I do.
- [29:16]
A
Dry one. Everyone just like, red mask. The eye under eyes. I think those are kind of like. I feel like. I don't know if anyone's actually, like, using them for, like. Because I. I've used them and I feel like they don't work, but I, like, want to put them on just.
- [29:27]
B
To feel like Amari uses one every day. And it's really funny because he'll just walk through the house like, Jason Voorhees. It's like over his whole head. And I'm like, okay, King, go off. He was telling me that it's like a. It's like a. You don't Start to see results from it until like four months of using it every day.
- [29:42]
A
Okay, that.
- [29:43]
B
That like, there is one of the lights is antibacterial and one of the lights is like anti aging. And like, they do work. I guess. They also make your products, I guess, sink in deeper. But also people are walking around looking like Jason. Yeah.
- [29:56]
A
It's like so scary. Like, I can imagine, like, walking around with that mask in my house.
- [29:59]
B
Like, yes. And it's like, are we just like getting consumerism down and it. We should go back to the oil of Olay of it all.
- [30:06]
A
You know, actually, even the like gold bar soaps of Dial. Like, my grandma used. Like, my grandma's. Like, I've never had a UTI in my life. And I was like, probably because now we're doing all like, you said that summer's pheromones, like all that stuff like.
- [30:18]
B
That boric acid shoving, like, boric acid is crazy.
- [30:21]
A
Is that like slime?
- [30:22]
B
Like borax? That's really funny.
- [30:26]
A
I never heard of any of these. I was like, I love all these turkeys.
- [30:28]
B
Boric acid is the capsules that people shove up their. They shove it and it's like, what does it do? It helps with, like, yeast and infections and like, makes whatever. But some people, it makes them like randomly bleed. Like, that's what I heard about like, douching too.
- [30:45]
A
Some people are like, it actually makes it like, worse. They're like, you're not supposed to douche. It's like, worse for you because like, yeah, Cleans itself. I don't know.
- [30:49]
B
But yeah, I don't know.
- [30:51]
A
There's a whole Michaela Tick tock Mikayla. I don't know how to say her last name, otherwise I would give her last name. Yeah, she was just talking about. Did you see her lemonade? Lemme purr. I think it was an ad. Maybe it wasn't. But she's like, I won't do the accent. I don't want to be offensive, but it was very much like. She's like, I've never been eaten out because I'm self conscious. So I'm having. Let me purr so I can like, I bought it and I got a target. I was like, maybe I should try.
- [31:16]
B
I have let me purr at home that I haven't used.
- [31:18]
A
They taste like pineapple.
- [31:19]
B
Are you purring? I don't know. Is it letting you purr?
- [31:22]
A
I started a couple days ago and.
- [31:24]
B
I was getting like.
- [31:25]
A
Like work. Okay. Like, maybe this is what I need to.
- [31:27]
B
I was like, honestly, trisha Just for the of it. Like, just for our friendship, I'm gonna start. Let me purr too, and then we'll come back to each other, like, in a couple months.
- [31:34]
A
We. Did they give you. Oh, did we get it in Unwell together in Vegas? I think we did. I never bought it, and I saw it in, like, the. My. I had the unwell bag literally yesterday, and I was like. And I was cleaning it out, and I saw the Lemmy purr, and I was just like, oh, let me try this. Maybe it's from there. Yeah, that'd be crazy if they gave it to us. Anyways.
- [31:49]
B
I think they did. I think that. I think that's where. Because I. I buy Let me Sleep and Let me chill. I love those.
- [31:54]
A
Let me chill. What's that?
- [31:55]
B
Let me chill. It's Ashwag. See, here we are again. It's like our grandmothers didn't need ashwagandha to get through the day. But does it work?
- [32:05]
A
So the lemmies work.
- [32:06]
B
I Lemme sleep is amazing.
- [32:09]
A
Okay.
- [32:09]
B
I used to take the Z. I just love melatonin. I used to take the zquil gummies every night. But I do feel like Let Me Sleep is the strongest melatonin gummy I've ever tried. And I'm an insomniac, and I can still stay up through that one, but I feel it working. A lot of them I, like, could take and, like, take on the day, you know?
- [32:28]
A
Okay.
- [32:28]
B
So I take Let Me Sleep and Let me Chill every night.
- [32:31]
A
Kardashian approved.
- [32:32]
B
Yeah, they're actually, like, really, really, really, really, really good.
- [32:34]
A
That's good. I'm glad, because I. I remember when she first started it, I was kind of like, this is kind of a random thing. But then I'm like, I love that when it's like, good. Favorite Kardashian product.
- [32:41]
B
Yeah. Ooh, skims.
- [32:43]
A
We both are in our skims right now.
- [32:45]
B
Skims. Even just like, I'm wearing a skims bra right now, and it's like an ads. Two cup sizes. And I. I used to be a Bombshell girl. Girl. And I still like a Bombshell. But a Bombshell does kind of feel like you're wearing, like, artillery.
- [32:56]
A
Yes.
- [32:57]
B
And this is adding two cup sizes. And, like, I feel comfortable.
- [32:59]
A
I love that you're adding two cup sizes for your pajamas at nut level.
- [33:02]
B
I just couldn't find my other bra.
- [33:03]
A
I didn't want to be late. I love that. No, I remember those Bombshells would add it. And also Bombshell only went up to, like, a double D as post. Skims is G and H, baby. And they go up to, like, 42s like, the bands, and they're so seamless.
- [33:14]
B
And I know that. I know that we're both sponsored by skims now, so this sounds like we are. This. This was unpaid before.
- [33:21]
A
We're not sponsored here. We don't talk about it, but here we are talking about their soup is really.
- [33:25]
B
Yeah, I want to say skims. Like, I like. Yeah.
- [33:27]
A
I kind of like the cloud popcorn at Starbucks.
- [33:30]
B
I've never tried the cloud popcorn.
- [33:32]
A
We need to order that. And I. Okay. Me just wanting Matcha. I've been pushing Matcha on everyone today. Literally. Oscar, I was like, you need to try the ice banana bread lot. Ice banana bread. Matcha Matcha on Starbucks. Yes. Have you had it?
- [33:41]
B
I just got it the other day.
- [33:42]
A
So good.
- [33:43]
B
It is so good.
- [33:44]
A
If you put protein powder, it's 26 grams of protein. I'm really in protein right now.
- [33:46]
B
I'm obsessed with it.
- [33:47]
A
26 grams of protein. The Chloe Cloud is like nine more grams of protein. It's kind of good.
- [33:51]
B
It's of kind.
- [33:51]
A
Kind of like sweet.
- [33:52]
B
Protein's the best thing you can do. I did. I did. It reminds me of this one I get in Maui, so it, like, made me really happy.
- [33:58]
A
Oh, did you not TikTok about it?
- [33:59]
B
No, I didn't tik tok about it. What?
- [34:02]
A
Everything that's viral.
- [34:03]
B
I got Buster a pup cup in the same Starbucks run. So that was, like, what I was the most excited about. I was just like.
- [34:09]
A
I didn't film that either.
- [34:10]
B
I did. No, I filmed that one. It was like his little first pup cup. It was really cute.
- [34:14]
A
All right. Yeah, the banana match is kind of like a thing now, so they must have gotten that from, like, Hawaii. Yes.
- [34:19]
B
I mean, I don't know, but yeah, it's. It's so good.
- [34:22]
A
It was really good. I was kind. And the La Land has a collab with Beverly Hills Hotel right now. And it's like a strawberry Matcha class. And it's Matcha.
- [34:31]
B
Matcha's bomb, though. I. Because I had to stop doing coffee. Like, I really, like, now I'll have some sips now and again. But coffee just became, like, panic attack, like, sad juice for me. And I was a coffee drinker for, like, 10 years. Like, just something switched to where, like, I was just like, why am I, like, sweating and, like, a little angry and, like, thinking about something that happened six years ago? Because I had, like, an ice vlog latte wow.
- [34:54]
A
That's pretty crazy.
- [34:54]
B
It, like, really, like, switched on me. So I, like. I drink green tea every day now instead. And then matcha if I want more. Always iced. I hate hot drinks. I ate hot everything. Honestly, don't get me started.
- [35:05]
A
Yeah.
- [35:06]
B
Because I can't wait for it. It's like, I can't cool down. Yes. It's like, come on. Like, hello, like, cool. And I'm putting it in the air conditioner of the car, trying to get it to cool down.
- [35:15]
A
Like, Malibu coated all the time. The slime. They're not waiting for it to cool. Cool down. Like, it's so crazy. Malfunction will just want to eat the pasta. Like, hot on the thing. I'm like, it's still steaming. She goes to pick it up. I'm like, okay.
- [35:25]
B
Well.
- [35:29]
A
Funny.
- [35:29]
B
Yeah. I'm really sensitive to, like, heat. I even take cold showers. Wow. Yeah.
- [35:34]
A
That's kind of good for you. It's like a cold plunge or something.
- [35:35]
B
That's what I tell myself as I'm, like, shivering in the shower. Hot showers? No, like, people who can take a really hot shower. Like, I, I. It, like, burns my skin. Like, I'm very sensitive.
- [35:44]
A
Oh, interesting. So, like, your scalp must be from sensitivity to, too. Maybe just have, like, sensitive skin.
- [35:47]
B
Yeah. I mean, I'm just a cancer through and through. Just sensitive all the way down to cancer. Yes. I feel it today. I'm such a cancer today. Like, everything is just, oh, my God.
- [35:57]
A
Vibes.
- [35:58]
B
Yeah. I'm too much.
- [36:00]
A
That's not a bad way to be. I feel like maybe I wish I was a little more empathic.
- [36:04]
B
You're so empathetic, though.
- [36:06]
A
You think?
- [36:06]
B
Yes, I do. I 100 do. Sometimes.
- [36:09]
A
I'm a little cold. I'm like, so what? Get over it. Let's go. Like, you know, I'm very much.
- [36:13]
B
You never show that to me.
- [36:14]
A
Definitely not you. There's some people that are like. Like, I can't do this because I did. Like, even people. Dramatic. I'm like.
- [36:20]
B
But that's different. I. I do. Not to go all Shane right now, but I do think I'm a pretty big empath. But I. I also. I can't. I don't know how to say this without sounding like a. I struggle with relating to an extreme victim mentality, like, of. You know what I mean? Like, everything goes wrong, and that's just the way it is. And that's just the way life is. And. And you know what I mean? Like, not recognizing that a lot of things can be the Consequences of your actions and.
- [36:50]
A
Oh, you're saying. Did you relate to that mentality?
- [36:52]
B
I do not. Oh, yeah. Like, even though I'm about things right now, today, it's like, I know that these are the consequences of my own actions. And, like, life goes on. And, like, I'm gonna take today. Yeah. I'm gonna take today to cry about a few things and move on tomorrow. Like, you know what I mean?
- [37:07]
A
Yeah.
- [37:07]
B
And just not. I don't know. Or just people who. I don't know.
- [37:10]
A
Right. I know. Do you mean, like, if they get, like, stuck? I was kind of, like, perpetual victim for a lot of my life, too. I think when I stopped being that, like, helped. Yeah, I think so. I think I felt sorry for myself a lot.
- [37:19]
B
Yeah.
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A
But I was like, this is not fair. It's only happening to me. How come people, like, you know, getting canceling, like, well, how come this guy, like, you know, for me, it was like, the pewdiepies of it.
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B
All.
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A
Right. Like, he wouldn't get canceled for something so extreme. Like the thing he did with Fiverr. It's long. I know he's, like, different. I know he's, like, retired family guy, all this stuff like that. But I'm just saying, like, I would be, like, so sorry for myself. I'm like. It's because, like, I'm a girl and, like, I can't do anything because that's why I'm getting canceled harder than a guy.
- [37:41]
B
That, though, like, having eras of life where it's pouring and.
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A
Yeah. You just feel. But. And you totally can. Obviously there are People are actual victims. And obviously, like, you know, of things.
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B
And, like, that's not what I mean, I guess. I mean, people, like, project the causes of their own, like, doings. Yes. As, like, God, it's just. I just can't catch a break.
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A
That was me. So that was it. It wasn't like, I was, like, an actual victim of something. And I was like, for me, I can't imagine you.
- [38:06]
B
Like, that now was your. Really.
- [38:08]
A
I feel like my whole YouTube career was just me crying for myself, just, like, okay. And it's just, like, me just always causing problems for myself and just being like, why do people hate me? I have no idea. You know? So I. But I think, like, the minute you, like, stop feeling sorry for. Because bad things happen. Bad things happen, and you're supposed to feel it.
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B
I don't.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I want to, like, backtrack. I feel like I didn't say that right. Like, what I was trying to say because, like, you're supposed to feel it, like, when bad things happen, but also, like, like, life does go on and things can get better and, like, take.
- [38:39]
A
A moment, like you said, take a minute to, like, process it, but keep it moving.
- [38:43]
B
Yeah. And, like, you know, sometimes you might do a bad thing. You have to maybe be accountable for it, and then, like, life still goes on. I don't know. Whatever. Whatever.
- [38:51]
A
Did you see. Did you know, speaking of Shane, that Jacob Sartorius is in his new movie?
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B
Yes, yes, yes.
- [38:57]
A
Oh, I had no idea because I saw him on the podcast, on Jacob's podcast and are Jacob and Kayla's. And I was like, this is an odd pairing.
- [39:02]
B
And then I was like, it is. Yeah. I. Do you. Oh, wow. No, I. It's funny because I've been getting tagged right in so many edits of, like, Kayla with Shane, and it being like, I think I've seen this film before, and then it, like, cutting to me, and I'm just like, oh, my God.
- [39:22]
A
How do you feel about it?
- [39:24]
B
It's. I mean, anytime I see, like, clips of, like, the. That was Shane and I like, filmed, and I'm definitely like, oh, fierce. But, like, that. That was fierce, girl. But, like, I don't. I don't know. I. I always talk about this in, like, my retrospects to trauma. Like. Like, I had so many things that felt really traumatic to me that other things just didn't. And I always say that about Shane, like, in the moment. I wasn't, like, traumatized. I don't. I guess I look back now and I'm like, yeah, that all probably shouldn't have happened.
- [39:54]
A
Yeah.
- [39:55]
B
Like, the way that our relationship was and stuff. But I also just hope with everything in me that, like, he's doing good and grown and learned and reflected and you know what I mean? Like, it is. The Internet wants people to die when they do bad things. And people don't die.
- [40:13]
A
Don't want him to die.
- [40:14]
B
And, yeah, people just don't, like, die. You know what I mean? It's like, not that I want him to die. Oh, my God. English Tana Marie I'm just more so saying, like, all you can hope is that someone grows and changes and has formed into their absolute best self.
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- [42:07]
A
Right.
- [42:08]
B
Well, imagine it like comes out and it's like the biggest thing ever.
- [42:12]
A
Yeah, that would be great. I mean, no, I'm with you. Like, even though, like, I never want to be friends again with him. Like, I'm like, yeah, like, it'd be. That'd be cool to see. Like.
- [42:20]
B
Yeah. And I'm not going over to hang out with him and Ryland and you know, whatever. I was gonna say some crazy. Yeah, it is crazy.
- [42:27]
A
He chose that podcast of all podcasts. He doesn't do interviews. It's like, and I get it, Jacob's in his movie, but they're just like so young and again, not anything like with age, but it's just so funny. Not funny, but like hearing him be asked about cancellations from like such young kids. Like 20. Yeah, she's like 21. He's like 25 or something.
- [42:43]
B
I get that they are in or Jacob was in the movie. And like, like that felt lighter. But it's like, I would love to see Shane Dawson sit down, down and do like a hard hitting, no cuts, real interview where it was like, real. You know what I mean? Where it was like, real. A real conversation about all of the old stuff and like how he feels about it and like how he's changed and grown.
- [43:09]
A
I agree.
- [43:10]
B
And like, I think that's that. Honestly, that's what it is. It's that like, I watch a lot of things through like a lens where. And see, same with. Obviously this is not a let them thing, but like, just where I'm like, why wouldn't you. Maybe before you do banging out. I was gonna say Banging Buns, that's their podcast.
- [43:28]
A
And maybe do a crazy name. Guys love. Love both them. That's a crazy name. Banging out is crazy, right?
- [43:37]
B
Yeah.
- [43:38]
A
Okay.
- [43:38]
B
I mean, well, because they. I guess, right? Why is it called that? Because they were like giving friends with benefits vibes. Yeah. They're banging it out. I don't know. I mean, I. I want. I see so much of my younger self in Kayla. I love her and I. I really do. So I'm like, even just as she makes mistakes or does her thing or whatever, I'm always just rooting for her to come out because even last time I was in Maui, she was in Maui. And at the same time. So I like took her to Nobu and we like, sat down and we just like, talked and I was just like, I'm always here for you. I, like, have so much fun, but. But like, don't give this guys a. You know, like, I just try to tell her all the things I wish someone told me. But I also understand that people probably did tell me and I wasn't listening. So I, like, see so much of myself in her and I just like, I. I believe in her too.
- [44:23]
A
For sure. Yeah.
- [44:24]
B
You know, she's 21. Like, 21 is like, oh, my God. And 21 is also like, you turn 21 and you can finally drink legally.
- [44:33]
A
Like, sure. Yeah.
- [44:33]
B
And if you're already like a wild child, you know, it's. We saw it with me, like, no. And it just. Yeah, I'm just rooting for her. Rooting for the best. And I really do like. And I should shut up. I feel so Meemaw saying this, but, like, I do ship her and Jacob.
- [44:48]
A
I think they're cute and okay, you know, couple vibes. I don't know.
- [44:51]
B
I don't know him, but she reminds me of Me too. In the, the relationships like the ones that she picks and chooses, I'm like, oh, so me, you know.
- [44:58]
A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
Not the, the dark, deep, dark situation. I'm not saying that one, but the most recent one. I was like, oh my God, I just want you to be with someone crazy.
- [45:07]
A
Yeah. She's like. And not to obviously not shade at you, obviously because I love you. But it's a more like it. She has like a good relationship with like her parents. So that's what always kind of like shocks me.
- [45:15]
B
Right.
- [45:16]
A
I didn't have, I had no relationship with my dad growing up. And so like that's why I picked men. So you would think that. But she's like really close with her dad, so it is interesting. And I know nothing, I do not talk to her personally, but just from her story times, it's like she does pick these like into her, you know, by her own accord. And I was like, oh, that's like so interesting. You think you beat it by not having daddy issues, but then someone with a perfectly wonderful dad could also have those.
- [45:35]
B
Yes, the same issues. There are so many reasons why we like falter to toxic relationships and what's.
- [45:42]
A
Yeah. What's the antidote when nobody has it? I thought, well, maybe having a dad is the antidote. But I don't know.
- [45:46]
B
Yeah, I mean I think that's, that's up there. If we had like a big three, it's definitely in the big three.
- [45:50]
A
Yeah.
- [45:51]
B
Like not having a dad was definitely. But I don't know, like, I don't know what like that is so interesting. Yeah. For me it was like. I think that I thought love was trying to fix people and like having to like earn it and, and that's, that's what love was. Yeah.
- [46:08]
A
Maybe that's how or when you really love someone so much and you're young and you don't know what love is, maybe you think it is like just sticking it out with a person being like whatever it is, I can fix them. I can be there for them through everything.
- [46:17]
B
And those highs are so addictive when the, when the, when the lows happen, you know, that's what it was for me. You know what I mean? Just becoming snowballing and just slowly being more addicted to the highs and the lows and then like finding everything else boring. And at 21 too. It's so hard to convince a 21 year old that like boring is good.
- [46:35]
A
Yeah.
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B
You know what I mean?
- [46:36]
A
Could never have convinced me ever up until 31.
- [46:39]
B
Yes. Literally, like it's like, no, no, no. The boring guy is the good guy. It's like, like, shut up. That's what they're thinking, you know, because it's like, it's not until you have so many not borings that you're like.
- [46:50]
A
I need to do something else for my health.
- [46:52]
B
Yes. And to. And to realize that, like, peace isn't boring. And, like, it isn't.
- [46:58]
A
I always, I used to always call our life boring, but I never meant it that way and be like, why.
- [47:01]
B
Do you say boring?
- [47:02]
A
And I was like, no, it really is just peace, like you said. But I was like, it' boring. But I love it in the best way. To me, boring is good because I love not being the drama. You know what I mean? It's kind of.
- [47:09]
B
Yeah. But if I could tell my like 21 year old self that the highlight of my week was doing a jigsaw puzzle with my boyfriend in silence.
- [47:18]
A
Oh, that's actually so cute. Were you guys like listening to TV or what were you doing?
- [47:22]
B
Yeah, like, yeah, we had a. We had traders playing in the back, but we were really just locked in on our puzzle and I was just like, this is. But like, if you told me that at 21, I would be like, you are so lost. You like, you lost at your sparkle. You are like, what in the, grandma? What in the memaw happened to you?
- [47:40]
A
You know, like, just saying Meemaw because of you. Because I've been saying that more in my real life and I'm like, because of you. Oh, really? Did I say me? Because I've been saying it so much.
- [47:50]
B
You were saying that you were meemaw on the Charlie XCX carpet, which you weren't at all.
- [47:54]
A
Literally in latex serving, definitely meemaw for sure. We're changing this to Mimaw, literally.
- [48:03]
B
But now I can't stop saying it. Like you. I got that one from you for sure.
- [48:06]
A
But I. That's my favorite word.
- [48:10]
B
It is like such a funny word. I love it because it paints such a picture. Like the moo moo.
- [48:15]
A
And like, yeah, that's the vibes I'm giving.
- [48:18]
B
No, it's not.
- [48:21]
A
I would like to see. I would like to see Shane do a sit down interview too, for real. And I can come on just and do it because like I said, I.
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B
Like, if you're doing press, you have this goal, goal still of like an image rewrite. You know what I mean? And so why wouldn't you do the thing?
- [49:56]
A
I know. Call her daddy something.
- [49:57]
B
Yes. Like Jake Shetty, like you me podcast to sit down.
- [50:05]
A
He comes in the bed.
- [50:06]
B
Yes. Like, Like, I just think that would be so good.
- [50:09]
A
Like, I don't agree because it was just not giving accountability. It was giving, like, yeah, like, like, I'm just.
- [50:15]
B
I'm here chatting, banging out. And it's like, banging out.
- [50:18]
A
So. Because when he's like, I like. And I don't know Jacob's rivers, but I do find him endearing on this podcast. I've seen clips of it and I do love how he's just like, so those cancellations. He's like, you've been canceled a couple times. The way he just, like, does it and just expect Shane to start talking. And Shane did talk, but it was just. It's so funny when people talk about cancellations and they're like, well, you know, it's a misunderstanding or this. Or it snowballed into this. Or someone was trying to cancel. It's like, so funny how people just be like, I deserve to be canceled. I was kind of a person. And it's like, very few people do that now. And it's like, sometimes you just want to hear that. So just say, you know, did some Choices, you know? Yes.
- [50:51]
B
Well, you know, I've been saying it's. It's literally an epidemic. It's like everyone versus my bad. But yeah, anyways, it definitely was. I was just like. It was like such. I was like, no way. That really was like when I saw it because I responded to Kayla's story. I was like, no way. That. Yeah. That he like sat down on this and then obviously I'm seeing all the edits and whatever, but I don't know, it doesn't really make me feel any type of way. The whole Shane thing. I'm just kind of like, whatever.
- [51:19]
A
Yeah, well, I always feel like there's a reason you don't go on like a J shot at your Colorado. It's like, well, you went on very too young, inexperienced, like people. I'm not even saying I'm experienced. I'm just saying like the, the hard hitting ones that could ask those real.
- [51:30]
B
Questions, but it would do what you're trying to do. That's. It's like my brain almost just goes girl, boss, town. Like when I see things like this, I'm like, this is not the PR move. Like I think.
- [51:41]
A
Yeah.
- [51:41]
B
And it's nothing to do with Jacob and Kayla. Like I would take that interview if I were them. Like, obviously that's.
- [51:46]
A
You've been on their podcast, right?
- [51:48]
B
And like that's amazing for them. You know what I mean? Mean, like to get that, that exclusive and Jacob was in the movie and like, you know, it makes sense. I'm just like, for Shane, I'm just like, damn.
- [51:58]
A
Like, even if it's out, what's he promoting? Is he. Is it the movie or you just like literally was like, I'll come on the podcast. I love when people do press. I think we talked about this. Like when people just do podcasts just to do it. Had nothing to promote. I love it.
- [52:09]
B
I mean.
- [52:10]
A
No, me too. I definitely have. But it's like I definitely did like back in 2019, was trying to find a new friend group. I was going on every single podcast. I was like Keenan, JC impulsive. Like I was just going on every podcast I could, trying to find like a group to like get in with or something. So I think it's like funny when people do that. But like especially specifically Shane, it's like, well, if you have nothing to promote, you're just.
- [52:26]
B
Yeah. Like, I wonder if it was like a pre promotion of this canceled thing. Pilot for a show. Yeah, it's a pilot. Yeah, it was a movie.
- [52:35]
A
Okay.
- [52:36]
B
Yeah.
- [52:36]
A
I don't Know, two people buy it to be buying.
- [52:39]
B
It's funny. People have been asking me to, like, if I could, like, sue and, like, all these things. Things. Because it's canceled and whatever. But I canceled in different trademarks. Like, I don't.
- [52:49]
A
You do.
- [52:50]
B
Yes. But, like, not all of them. Like, because it's. Because it's such a broad thing. You have to, like, whatever. Like, I don't. It's not like I ever was like, let me trademark this for tv.
- [52:59]
A
Like, you're like, the react Brothers trademark react. Remember? They were like, if anyone reacts, we're suing you.
- [53:04]
B
Yes. And I also don't even know how long they, like, last. I would never do that. Like, you know what I mean? People act like, Susan suing is so easy.
- [53:11]
A
Easy.
- [53:11]
B
It's the hardest thing in the world.
- [53:13]
A
Add it to your list of lawsuits.
- [53:14]
B
That's what I'm saying.
- [53:15]
A
It's just like what you were saying earlier before this. Lawyers just act like lawsuits are just, like, the easiest thing to just, like, go through a drive through.
- [53:21]
B
Yes. People. This happened. Even with this mold thing. Everyone's like, well, can you sue? And I'm like, yeah, if I want to dedicate six months of my life and, like, ton of money to, like, this and, like, maybe not even win. Like, litigation is, like, so much harder than, you know, whatever.
- [53:37]
A
No, I think lawsuits are the worst if you can avoid them.
- [53:39]
B
I'm not gonna sue. Shane Dawson over canceled the pil. Like, it's whatever.
- [53:42]
A
You do a jury trial and be like, who owns Canceled? They just bring up all your. And all the.
- [53:49]
B
That's actually. That's a great pilot for a show. Like, Imagine. Imagine I make a show called Canceled. Canceled, and it's all about his. That's actually really funny. That's like some ultimate, like. Like, she had the time. Like, that's.
- [54:04]
A
That's.
- [54:04]
B
She had the time. Final boss. What's giving.
- [54:06]
A
You know Amelia from Chicken Shop date?
- [54:09]
B
Yeah.
- [54:09]
A
She's doing a movie that just got greenlit, and it's about a podcaster who falls in love with a celebrity that they're interviewing or something.
- [54:17]
B
Oh, my God.
- [54:17]
A
That's everything that, like, like your real life canceled, but you, like, hire, like, Dove Cameron to play you or something like that.
- [54:23]
B
That is so Tea.
- [54:24]
A
Dove Cameron Whitney. Love it.
- [54:26]
B
In love. Dove Cameron.
- [54:27]
A
That'd be everything.
- [54:28]
B
That's so funny.
- [54:29]
A
Yeah, I love Woody. I'm not a Mormon. Wives kick. I don't even watch the show. I just. I'm obsessed with mom talk, and I'm just.
- [54:34]
B
I Need to get. I. I started it, and I need to get more obsessed.
- [54:37]
A
I haven't even watched the show once, but Layla, just her musty boyfriend, who I didn't even know. I literally didn't even know she was on more than. I just saw this, like, really pretty girl on my.
- [54:44]
B
Musty.
- [54:45]
A
That's my new word, too. Musty. And she was just like. Her first video was just like. You know, we did break up, me and Mason, but it's fine. There's no bad blood. Do not send him hate. And then, like, literally 12 hours later. Just kidding. There is bad blood. Found out something that I didn't know. Guys don't care about him any. Like, she was just.
- [55:01]
B
I love women. I love seeing a woman just be on him. Especially if Amanda some. Like, you have every right.
- [55:07]
A
Yeah. Because there was a blind item that this Mason. I'm like, so don't know any of these people that this Mason was out with, like, some chick that night in Salt Lake City or wherever they live.
- [55:15]
B
And then love to do that, too. Like, have a whole public eye relationship and then immediately, like, rebound in the public.
- [55:20]
A
They were at Wuthering Heights premiere the week before, and then the next week, he's just out. He broke up with her, and he said he needed to find himself. And he.
- [55:27]
B
Grown men are always trying to find themselves in a bar with a woman seven years younger than the them talk, you know, what are you. What are you talking about? Tick tock Shop. Like, that's. You're not finding yourself.
- [55:36]
A
No, it was very. That I was very invested. Then I got really invested, and I realized I went to her page and she had, like, 1.5 million. Oh, she's, like, famous. And I was like, oh, she's on Mormon Wives. So I'm, like, invested in the whole.
- [55:45]
B
I need to get into that.
- [55:46]
A
Even the Whitney Levitt of it all. I love how she's just like, yeah, I went on the show just to be, you know, in movies. I was like, I love that. She's like, I hate the show. But, like, they offered me Dancing with the Stars, so I was like, all right, I'll get something.
- [55:56]
B
Like, I. I live for it. I really do.
- [55:58]
A
Or Taylor Frankie Pawn, the Bachelor. Her little promo just came out, and.
- [56:01]
B
I was like, oh, I am excited for that. Because. Because that's. Because I watched only a few episodes of Mormon Wives. I haven't fully gotten into them, but in those few episodes, I was definitely sold on how the fact that Taylor Frankie Paul is definitely someone that you are like, mesmerized by for better or for worse. I don't know what she ends up doing or what ends up happening or how people feel about her, like, whatever. But I was like, I see why this girl has, like, made. Has this many followers and has made this much money because. You want to know?
- [56:28]
A
Yes.
- [56:28]
B
You want to know?
- [56:29]
A
Oh, I've been with her since the beginning. I remember seeing her on Tick Tock and just thinking, she's, like, really pretty, and she had, like, this really cute husband and really cute kids, and they were really young. And I was like, oh, I love this. And, like, and then she was like, we divorced because we're swingers. And I remember thinking, like, is this, like, made up? This is, like, so weird, but just, like, witnessing all this life and you're just so glued to it. And then she gets with Dakota and then she, you know, he calls the cops on her, and you're like, is this real? But like you said, she's gone through so much, and she's probably done so much. She has done so much due to, like, other people. But it is one of those things where you kind of just, like, glued.
- [56:57]
B
Is she one of those that's like a product of just. Just, like, her formative years or upbringing or, like, did anything happen to her? Like, what's her. Well, she has.
- [57:05]
A
What it looks like on the show. Well, I don't know the show like this, but I have seen clips of her with her parents, and the parents seem a little toxic. I think they work grew up Mormons.
- [57:15]
B
Mormon that. There's definitely a dark side to that. I love you. And I just spreading misinformation. It's so funny because I was on.
- [57:21]
A
The phone, according to Tanner and Drench, knowing that what is the dark side of Mormonism?
- [57:28]
B
We haven't seen, like, the show in full at all. We don't know what happened with Taylor, Frankie, Paul.
- [57:32]
A
We're just spreading, like, her parents seem toxic. Actually, that one clip.
- [57:36]
B
Because one of my biggest goals of ending canceled was to stop spreading misinformation. And I was on the phone with Brooke today laughing because I. I have been telling people for years now that JoJo Siwa filmed her iconic cover of Traitor, like, by Olivia Rodrigo, like, where she goes red and she's singing Traitor. Yes. It's the best video on planet Earth. I've been telling people for years, proudly, fondly wearing this on my heart, that she filmed it in my driveway. Yeah, okay. That because I was late for us to film Canceled. She was sitting there and she filmed Her Trader cover in my driveway. And then I'm like, butterfly effect. Like, y' all would have never gotten that piece of history if it wasn't for, like, me needing to get a matcha down the street on Melrose. Like, you know what I mean? And I post a TikTok about it because Ty and I were in the car, we're listening to Traders, and I'm like, did you know that Jojo Siwa's iconic cover of trade was filmed in my driveway? I film a video. Jojo Siwa calls me the next day. I'm like, why is Jojo Siwa. Joelle. Sorry. Joelle calls me, and I'm like, why is she calling me? And I was like, oh, yeah. I made a TikTok about her. Like, I should answer this. And she's like, tana, I didn't film that in your driveway. And then I'm arguing with. I'm like, jojo, yes, you did. And then she's like, no, look it up. Like. And I. So I look up, and we're like, we have a good, funny. Like, it was a good funny call. Like, I do. I have a great relationship with her. I just. We joke, and I appreciate that she can also take a joke. I've made a lot of jokes about her, and I don't know about that. Like, yeah, but she's grown a lot. Like, I think I've. I've said I've at least in the regard of her. And I, Like, I've said a lot of about her where she could be like that. Like, a lot of other people where I've said a lot of about them are like, Tana Mongeau and she needs a muzzle.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And JoJo's always been like, tana, you're funny. And you and I have been on the Internet for a long time, and.
- [59:19]
A
Like, she literally has, like, blocked me from her podcast. What? She's like, trisha. She said that the three worst people she could think of on her podcast, Candace Cameron Beret, Candace Owens, and Trisha Paytas. She's like, they're blocked and banned forever. I was like, girl, I've always been like, I love you. And she's just, like, blocked. The only thing I've ever criticized her for truly clock it. I've always been on her side. I'm like, I loved Karma's. I love all of it. Literally, all I said was, she was on a podcast. It was Howie Mandel's. And she was like, yep, Colleen's cancellation was all lies. Everyone talking about her just all lied about it, and I was like, girl, B. Ffr. Is that the right. And like, that's not it. Clock. Her friend holding my O next to his face like, that's not it, girl. And then ever since then, she's like, I'm just the worst. But no, I still make. Please unblock me. Like, I have so much. I love her rebrand. I'm seated for everything. I love her. But I'm like, girl. But I guess because I wasn't joking. I guess I was being so serious. So she was like, okay, I guess you were like, joe, your jokes are funny. No, but mine was just real.
- [60:20]
B
Hated that. My point was, is that I guess she didn't film the Trader cover in my driveway, and I'm spreading misinformation. I give up.
- [60:27]
A
Oh, so it wasn't. It was confirmed not to be.
- [60:30]
B
Yes. But then Brooke. I called Brooke, saying. Brooke was saying that she did upload it as she got to film the canceled podcast. So that's where we could think, you know what? It's a case for the FBI.
- [60:42]
A
I don't know. I want to see if she's on just her side. Ask these questions.
- [60:45]
B
Yes, I need boots on the ground journalism in regards to where the JoJo Siwa Trader cover was filmed in relation to her being on the canceled podcast. But also, I need to touch grass and worry about the black mold in my upstairs bathroom. So whatever. Whatever.
- [61:00]
A
Joel, we do love you. I do. I, like, love her. That's why it makes me, like, actually sad sometimes. I'm like, I couldn't care less about anyone else not liking me. And, yeah, Locked is just.
- [61:10]
B
That's. You guys would be dynamic, like, the.
- [61:14]
A
Choline thing of it all, because.
- [61:15]
B
Yeah, but who? And listen, like I just said, Joel and I, you know, we're. We're. She calls me, I answer like, you know, we're cool. Like, it's not like we're best friends. But I'm just saying, like, it's whatever.
- [61:26]
A
I like her. I'm there. No, but I'm glad you're there.
- [61:29]
B
No one should be ukulele down. No one should be. And I. I die on that hill. That's another person where it's like, why are we posting on the Miranda Sings account? Breathing when we could sit down with Jay Shetty. It's just like, it's not. Not to not be putting all this onto Jay Shetty. He's like, I'm interviewing Kris Jenner today. But I'm just saying, like, this is.
- [61:47]
A
Like a dream podcast. Of mine, but I do, like, I'm on this, like, bad side of Tick Tock that, like, hates Jay Shetty, so I'm, like, really a bad person. Like, I, like, love. Oh, you're saying. Okay. I thought he was like, this, like.
- [61:56]
B
No, I'm getting the same as you. Oh, you are? Really?
- [61:59]
A
Yeah.
- [61:59]
B
I mean, I need a new person to, like, use for that.
- [62:03]
A
No, but maybe he's okay. Maybe it is. I don't know anything.
- [62:06]
B
I just. All I ever see is clips of him doing, like, a deep, emotional interview. So he's the person I like, use.
- [62:10]
A
Like Alex Warren and, like, Nessa Barrett. You just, like, oh, I only see the influencer ones, but I always think he's. I don't know. I don't know about him, but he seems fine.
- [62:18]
B
But you know what? I'm just. I love you. Like, I'm trying to think really, like, other influencers that I'm, like, really close with. Jaden Hossler comes to mind. I'm gonna have my, like, top five, and that's it.
- [62:30]
A
Who's your top eight? MySpace friends, influencer edition.
- [62:32]
B
Oh, my God. The, like, actual people that I know on a personal level that I, like. I'm gonna go you.
- [62:39]
A
Wow.
- [62:39]
B
I'm gonna go Brooke.
- [62:40]
A
Okay. That's a great top two already.
- [62:43]
B
But obviously, even that. That just, like, there are people have actually spent time. Like, no Paige. But, like, that doesn't count because we, like, met, like, through. Not, like, obviously. I could say Paige, Amari, Ashley, but I'm really trying to think of, like, I go on the front lines, like, you know what I mean? Like. Like, I know this person deep down. Even Brooke kind of doesn't count because we met when she, like, wasn't doing this. And, like, like, you, I met as an influencer. Yeah, I'm. I'm done. I'm. I'm really. My circle has just. As I've gotten older and I moved farther, I see a lot of people out as influencers that. That I like, like, and they're my friends. But I've just changed so much in that regard. Like, I think for so long, everyone was my best friend who was an influencer. Yeah. And I got, like, burned a lot in that way. Or, like, I was just doing too much. Like, I have my people, and that definitely is getting older. It's just being, like, I have a lot of influencer friends, but when it comes to, like, bestie, I really care about them. I really. I would go on the front lines for, like, their character and all their Intricacies and stuff. It's a much smaller list than it like, used to be. But I think that's just like frontal lobe and getting older.
- [63:42]
A
I do feel like, yeah, if like the influencer world was like Survivor, you might win because you're so close to everyone. Like, you have a good social game where you're just like, cool with.
- [63:50]
B
That's what it is. It's like, like, if I go to an event, I'm like, there are so many influencers that I see that, like, I can have an hour conversation with them. We have years of repertoire.
- [63:58]
A
Yeah.
- [63:58]
B
You know what I mean? That I like, care about, like in that way. But when it comes to, like, would this person, like be there for me if I, like, fell off tomorrow? If I, like, something happened to me like that? Like, you just have a lot of eye opening moments to that. I think. Like.
- [64:12]
A
Yeah, I couldn't think of anybody.
- [64:14]
B
Yeah. Like, as I started to like go to. Literally as I started to, like, go to Hawaii more and just get more out of the scene, you just realize like, what an influencer friendship is versus, like, what actually being friends with someone who also is an influencer that you care about. Like, you know, like, it's just, it's different.
- [64:30]
A
Maybe it's kind of old news by the time that comes out Monday, but like, okay, brand chips, right? We talked about this. Obviously, like, Tarte always like king of brand chips. And then they had the Road and the rare beauty. Which one would you be going on?
- [64:43]
B
Okay, the real answer to that question is I would go on whichever one I was invited on because the gone on is true. Oh, my God. I would have gone on either with an invite.
- [64:53]
A
You weren't invited? No, but you get invited to Tarte in all those.
- [64:57]
B
But Tarte's very different. Different. Like Road has a very. Road is very selective. I feel like with their type of girl, they want the glass skin and like the, the like, like they make that content aesthetic. Because Road is so much about the aesthetic and the lifestyle. And then rare, they pick people who are very into makeup and like, just different, Very, very brand brands.
- [65:18]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [65:19]
B
You know, girls and stuff like that. And I would go on either, obviously. Like, I love both brands. Brands. I don't know. I mean, I'm a Hailey Bieber, like, die Hard, so I'd be. I. I don't know. But I, I hate pitting them against each other. Like, you know what I mean?
- [65:34]
A
But it's just the brands, like, if you're just on the brand trip alone from what you saw.
- [65:38]
B
Oh my God. But still then people make it this whole. I have a whole tangent like about how I feel about all of it. I guess I. I use more road products. So, like, I use more road products.
- [65:48]
A
I. I'm a Hailey Bieber fan and I like don't mind. I'm not pinning them against the other either. Yeah, but I would rather go and I'd. I'd rather. I would want to be besties with like Haley. I'd want to be like the Vibes, but I'd rather go on the rare beauty because they got like a bedazzled rare beauty. I use their blush. Like.
- [66:02]
B
Yeah, the rare beauty blush is amazing. Oh yeah. Selena was there. Both are a dream, an absolute dream.
- [66:08]
A
The road one, aesthetics wise was giving luxury. But I like the sleepover camp vibes of rare.
- [66:15]
B
That's so crazy. Them like, obviously, like just, oh my God, I made a tik tok about it. But just, you know, so like so many interns woke up having a horrible day like of them being the same theme at the same time and stuff. But how sad is it too that they can't just have two trips at the same theme at the same time without people making it like a pitting of their morals and character.
- [66:37]
A
I guess it was just happening at the same time and like the news is just slow right now. People are just looking for any like, sort of entertainment and those fan bases.
- [66:43]
B
Are looking for any moment to like pit them to the absolute death. I really like not to put my girl boss town hat back on, but good God, what if they just put everything to rest and they collabed? What if. What if they made a blush that was half rare, half road and it was railroad on the. On the road to rare.
- [67:05]
A
That's good. And that's just so good.
- [67:08]
B
Put everything to bed. I like, I would live, you know? You don't think he would be mad? I don't know. I. I almost feel like Justin would be understanding because it would. It would cause for a mass shutting them.
- [67:23]
A
Yeah.
- [67:23]
B
Or at least a mass positivity. Like, you know what I mean?
- [67:26]
A
Like, just because even if they don't really care to do it or whatever, it's like, just stop. We're fine. Because they both are. They're both literally married and they're fine.
- [67:34]
B
And like even just a tick tock together, like a. Like just something and obviously I don't know the intricacies, but it's just so sad to see the way people are to all of them always like the way. What people want to say about Selena's relationship with Benny. What people want to say about Haley's relationship with Justin. It's like, even Justin at the Grammys. I was like, I almost made a user 7904 account to, like, get in the comments because I was so pissed. Like, he has that tattoo on his back.
- [68:01]
A
Oh, of Haley or Jesus?
- [68:02]
B
Yeah, if it's Haley or Jesus, I don't really know the difference between Haley and Jesus. I'm definitely drinking. Drinking the Kool Aid. I'm a big fan. But I saw someone be like. And of course, it's like, assuming the tattoo was of Haley being like. And of course, it's on his back where he can't even see it. And I, like, lost my. I was like, where do you. Where would you need it to be? His forehead for you to be satisfied. He laid on a table and said, put this permanent ink in me. And that's still not enough for you.
- [68:33]
A
It'll never be enough for people that.
- [68:34]
B
Just don't like that miserable at the grandma Grammys. Have you seen what this industry has done to him? The fact that he's still down to perform and, like, his performance, like, what did you want? Flying monkeys? He's done it all he wanted. He came and he gave pure vocals because that's what he wanted to do. I can't breathe.
- [68:55]
A
You're the Bieber. Die hard. I love it.
- [68:57]
B
It's just because I really, genuinely think that it is so sad. Everything that has been robbed of this man. And then he still found. Jesus prevailed and, like, is trying his best to be the best man that he can be and the best. They've almost been married for 10 years, and people still have something to say about that. Crazy. And everyone's like, he hates his wife. Final boss. Like, mind you, he was just FaceTiming her in the snow. Did you see those paparazzi photos? No. He's walking through the snow with her on an iPad on FaceTime. It's like, even Moko and I aren't doing that. It's like, call me after if you wanted to.
- [69:32]
A
He would gonna find an iPad and FaceTime. And, like, they.
- [69:34]
B
They're happy and, like, the world has given them so many circumstances to not be happy. Like, imagine how internally tested their relationship has probably been due to the amount of outside and even inside people just, like, being fake and selling their stories to the media and stuff and just whatever. And they've prevailed and they have a son and just, like, can every. And Benny and Selena are so cute and so happy and they like cook their food together and her cute little Christmas ornaments. And they both have a successful billion dollar makeover. Makeup brands, like, just let them live. Yes.
- [70:06]
A
Let that Let them is a good one. Brand Flakes was with Old Navy on a brand trip at the same time. Oh, it was so they were at the Waldorf Historia up in Park City, Utah, and it was like he had this big bowl Mac and cheese, and they were like western line dancing. I was like. And they had that is closet the $1 flip flops.
- [70:25]
B
I love them.
- [70:26]
A
Do they still have those?
- [70:27]
B
I want them to bring that back. Can we be the faces? $1 flip flip flops.
- [70:32]
A
Like, it was those dollar flip flops were everything.
- [70:35]
B
Brand Flakes also sent me the cutest text about us talking about how much we love him on. He was just like, I love you guys. I don't remember exactly. Let me not spread misinformation. It was a cute test.
- [70:45]
A
No, I always dm. I'm like, where'd you that Mac and cheese? Like, I'm always DMing him. I just like, he's so influential to me. I love him.
- [70:50]
B
Yes. He's our favorite. We do love him. Should we take a call?
- [70:53]
A
Let's take a call.
- [70:54]
B
Let's take a call. And the next episode. Should we go full calls?
- [70:58]
A
Yeah.
- [70:58]
B
Yeah. I'm kind of down. Yeah. Call show. You should be down.
- [71:03]
A
Yes, yes, yes. A thousand calls.
- [71:06]
B
We love you guys.
- [71:06]
A
Call us today.
- [71:09]
B
Devin's like, please just take these. Call us today.
- [71:16]
A
We need more calls. Hi, Trish and Dana. So I just went on a date with this really cute guy and. And the conversation was awesome. But the only issue is that he told me that he cheated on his recent ex by kissing his girl best friend who he's still friends with to this day. And I've been done wrong by girl best friends before. But at the same time, he likes a lot of the same, like, niche things that I do. So I don't know if it's something that I should look past and give him another date and another chance or if it's absolutely not. Like, can't trust him. Thank you guys so much. I love you. Love you. Was there two girls on that call?
- [71:51]
B
Yeah, there was maybe five. Like, they were having a slumber party for me.
- [71:56]
A
Sure.
- [71:56]
B
But our main girl has a question, and that is, I feel very strongly about this. So, I mean, she goes on the date with the guy. Obviously he's telling her. He's displaying to her that his most recent relationship ended because he cheated with his girl best friend that he is still friends with. Girl Experience A membership that backs what you're building with American American Express Business Platinum. Get 2 times Membership Rewards points per dollar on eligible purchases in key business categories as well as on each eligible purchase of $5,000 or more on up.
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A
He cheated with the best friend that he's still friends with.
- [73:23]
B
Yes.
- [73:23]
A
So he had the girlfriend and he has a friend. He cheated with the friend and he's.
- [73:26]
B
Still friends with the girl best friend.
- [73:28]
A
Oh well, he's gonna cheat on her too. Cheat on. Cheat on you with her too. 100 like they already had sex and they were cheaters together.
- [73:35]
B
Bet my foot that the and I think that there's something so important about if you are innately a fixer and someone shows you their true color colors and tells you blatantly who they are, take that as face value. Do not think I am different. I am the exception. He, if anything, was great and honest enough to tell you that I just cheated on my past girlfriend with my best friend and I'm still friends with her.
- [74:03]
A
Yeah.
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B
But I, I don't know. I do think one in a million there's the one in a millions where yes, he changes, but do you really want to be the lab rat? For if he he does.
- [74:14]
A
And it's like he never. We see this with like famous people because we all know famous people, but it's like we see it all the time. Miranda Lambert was with Blake Shelton, but he was with a wife before her. And then now he's with Gwen Stefani and he's with Miranda Lambert before her. It's like, and he's old. He's just old and he keeps doing this and we see this with so many celebrities that just do it and it's like, yeah, like you're right. If they Tell you who they are. Like, believe them.
- [74:36]
B
And then believe them. Yeah.
- [74:38]
A
And they can throw back in your face. Be like, well, I just. I told you I was like this when I met you. And it's like, well, you're right.
- [74:42]
B
Yes.
- [74:43]
A
I'm the dumb.
- [74:44]
B
And I think it's so lit. Forgive me for using lit, but I really. It is so lit to get out of something before you're attached. Like, you've been on one date. You now have the opportunity to go on another date with another person who probably. And get this. Won't say that.
- [75:01]
A
Yeah.
- [75:01]
B
You know what I mean? Before you're like, but I like him and all of our niche things and common. Someone else will also like Mazzy Star. And someone else will also like thrifting. Someone else will also like pottery classes. Someone else will also like smoking. Someone. I can't stress because I used to do that too. I would be like, we have. He loves this band I love. And we're both so tight being what they're so. There are 7 billion people on this planet like that. Like, someone else. And the girl best friend. He's still like, he ended a relationship because he wanted to still be friends with her. She's not going away. She will be your problem too. And she obviously sucks if she was down to, like, do that. And it's like. And it's like, just be with her. You ended a whole relationship because you kissed her.
- [75:52]
A
Yeah.
- [75:52]
B
And now you're going on more dates, like, parading that information around town.
- [75:55]
A
Like, well, there's a reason they're not together. And I'm sure the one. That girl is probably, like, trying to. Would love to be with him, but. But he's like, not wanting to be with her for whatever reason. But she's like, I'm gonna be like, that cool girl that's still around having sex with you, but, like, he doesn't care about you either. Like, if you did. Like, if you guys probably be in relationships, don't act like it's like, oh, no, we're both cool with it. No, you're not. Like, there's just no way. Like, you're cheating. You're helping him cheat. You're being weird for a reason.
- [76:15]
B
Yes, yes, yes. You're being his friend.
- [76:18]
A
You'd be like, don't cheat on your girlfriend. But you're obviously, like, in love with him too, and you're being a little skank about it, so.
- [76:23]
B
Yes, yes. And the girl best friend, like, oh, my God. Like, and it's one of those things Where I guess you could say, I don't want you to be friends with her because I feel, you know, I'm never going to feel secure. And I would understand if you were, like, months into something and you really thought this person was the one, and then you said, I wouldn't feel secure if you continue this friendship. And then he did it, and you guys ended up having a great relationship. Sure. But you're one date in, like, please, Usain Bolt. Like, you have. You still have all of the. There's nothing tying you to this, man. I just. I think if you sit down on a first date with someone and someone tells you, like, I just cheated on my last person, like, like I said, there's. There's the one in a million where they don't do it again. But, like, are you willing to be the lab rat? And is that a secure foundation to build a home on?
- [77:11]
A
You know, and one day, then, like you said, I might be like, that's. That's it. That's all I need to know right now.
- [77:15]
B
And then imagine how much it's going to suck if eight months down the line, he cheats on you, and then it's so much harder to leave, and then you're in this wraparound that you could have just, like, saved yourself from, you know, and it's easier said than done. I'm sure he's cute, and I'm sure you. You both love tame Impala. You know what I mean? But it's just, like, don't do it. There's so many more.
- [77:34]
A
He might not even be cute.
- [77:35]
B
Yes.
- [77:36]
A
Because did you see? God, I'm, like, weirdly obsessed with the podcast I've never seen before. I talked about it. Why I said it earlier. And it's, like, talking about on, like, Loveline, too. I don't know this podcast. I don't know the lore of the host. He might be horrible. I don't know.
- [77:49]
B
I'm weirdly obsessed with this podcast I've never seen before.
- [77:53]
A
It's called Financial Audit. I keep talking about this, like, it's like a weird. Have you seen any clips of this?
- [77:57]
B
No. I thought you were just making, like, an actual Financial audit joke earlier.
- [78:00]
A
Like, I didn't think podcast called Financial Audit.
- [78:03]
B
Okay.
- [78:03]
A
And I don't know who this person is, but my Twitter is full of just, like, news I never want to see. And for some reason, this account, this. This podcast keeps coming up. And anyways, he was interviewing. He, like, helps people with, like, their financial problems and tries to, like, help them with Money or something.
- [78:16]
B
Interesting.
- [78:16]
A
Yeah. And kind of like normal people, I think. I don't think it's like, influencer or anything.
- [78:19]
B
That's sick. Yeah.
- [78:21]
A
He might be problematic. People were timing. I'm not sure. So that's what I'm saying. I don't know, like, his lore, but he, like, had a couple on reason recently. And it was like, kind of scary because, like, all of a sudden the. The girl was like, yeah, he's like a. To me. And then he had the guy, like, leave the room. He's like, are you in danger? And she's like, it's not. Not usually, but sometimes he'll, like, choke me. It was like. It ended up being like, so, like, serious and obviously, like, this guy is, like, not equipped to be handling this or whatever.
- [78:44]
B
And it's just on a podcast. 2026 is so crazy.
- [78:46]
A
That's what everyone was saying. They're like, why Was like. And obviously the. The host was pissed and, like, was cussing at the guy when the guy was gone. But I'm like. And he's like, I know you're gonna see this. He's like, f you. And everyone's like, well, this is like a dangerous end because, like, you might be making this worse. Like, whatever it was, it was a weird thing. Yeah, it was a weird thing. I mean, the whole point of that I went into something so deep was that guy was ugly as hell. Like, he was so ugly. Do you know what I mean? Like, you're like, he might be cute and it's like that guy, like. And I'm not even being like, he was. He was like, not it. Like, not hot.
- [79:15]
B
Yes.
- [79:16]
A
There's not one redeeming quality about his looks. Obviously, he's a too on top of that. And it was just like. But the girl was, like, trying to stay with. I don't know. It was like, really. It was crazy. But like you said, this was on podcast. The host left to, like, they were arguing much on the host. Just like. Anyways, I don't know. I'm like, you're essentially.
- [79:30]
B
You're saying all this for a lizard?
- [79:32]
A
All this for a lizard?
- [79:33]
B
Yes.
- [79:33]
A
All this for a lizard. So this guy could also be a lizard. But even if he's hot. Not worth the cheating.
- [79:38]
B
There's just so many.
- [79:39]
A
It's not.
- [79:39]
B
There's so many other. Like, if. If you're not getting what you deserve, there's just so many other things. You know what I mean? And there's so many things I wish I walked away from. From when the person presented to me, like the amount of times someone literally said, like, tana, I'm an extreme addict, or Tana, I am. My last girlfriend said I was a narcissist love bomber or you know what I mean? Just like, I'm super type A and like anal about things and I can be a about it and like, or just whatever it is, like. And then I stayed and then they did that exact thing they presented to me and I was like.
- [80:18]
A
Holy.
- [80:19]
B
Why? Why? I just didn't turn around.
- [80:21]
A
But that everyone falls victim to that. Like, so if you're a girl or a guy out there listening and you don't like everyone. I.
- [80:27]
B
Don't beat yourself up about it. Obviously. It happens. It happens.
- [80:31]
A
If you can listen the first time.
- [80:33]
B
My advice to people is just like, if someone presents to you who they are, maybe listen a lot of the time. A lot of the time. Like, maybe really listen. Or if the flags are all red, red, like, don't put on the rose colored glasses. Like, just go. Because there's so many people where it won't be that case, you know?
- [80:51]
A
Yeah, no, that's like. No, that is very true. I was gonna say something about this. I had something.
- [80:58]
B
She's finding it.
- [81:00]
A
Oh, God. My memory lately has been. It was. Oh, I know.
- [81:04]
B
Have you.
- [81:05]
A
Have. Okay, because I was saying, like, you know, don't do it all for a lizard. Have you ever been with a guy that's like, so hot that you like, put up what she's eating.
- [81:12]
B
Yes. Or put up with so many things, like, right.
- [81:15]
A
Or other red flags.
- [81:16]
B
Yeah, whatever. But almost that, like, looking back now too, like, that almost gave me the ick more than the lizards because, like, hot guys really think, like, they are the only seed. They're the only one. Like, the God complex of, like, I'm hot, you'll never do better, and whatever. And in reality, they're everywhere. They're everywhere. Hot guys are everywhere, everywhere. You know what I mean? Like, and like, good, like, good hot guys are also, like, there. As much as they're bad hot guys, they're also good hot guys. And like, I don't know, like, you think I do.
- [81:49]
A
I equate it to me liking famous people. Like, I've never been with a hot guy, but I definitely like famous people. And I don't think there's the bold statement. I don't think there's like one good famous boyfriend in the sense of, like, I don't think there's like a good fake famous.
- [82:04]
B
A good.
- [82:04]
A
A good famous Guy that's also like a good boyfriend. Famous guy that's also like a good.
- [82:08]
B
I get what you're saying.
- [82:09]
A
It could be like, a good person. I think they're all. They're all, like, narcissistic. Maybe narcissist is a bad word. That's more of a psychological word. They're all very into themselves. Selfish. They're all very selfish. And I know. I don't know every famous person, but just from what we see and what I've experienced, but there's a lot that we know.
- [82:28]
B
But what I think it is is that we just don't know. We don't hear about the good things because the good things aren't written home about, like, Kevin Jonas has got to be a good partner. Maybe. Yeah. Miles Teller. Was he. Is he a good partner? I don't know why he came to mind.
- [82:42]
A
Well, I'm gonna believe not. Not him particularly, but I just think all of them are bad. But maybe that's just.
- [82:47]
B
But no, I get what. I get what you're saying. Like, it is.
- [82:49]
A
I know what you're saying, though, too. You're right.
- [82:50]
B
But, I mean, I guess Mokoa also, like, turns me on to, like, I'm like, I think you're so hot and you are a good person. Like. And then, like, a lot of his friends are like, they're attractive, but they're. They are good. I see them be good partners. They kind of changed my idea. I. But also, they're not la. Like, I will say that it's. It's so much harder in our. In big cities where people are trying to make it to find the good hot guy. Because it's like, okay, they moved here because they believe that they're, you know.
- [83:19]
A
Okay. So I'll say that maybe about famous people too. May. I don't know an A list actor. I don't know a Miles Teller. So maybe he's good. Kevin Jonas, Maybe A list, I don't even know. B list. He might be B list. I don't even know. Bs. So mine were always, like, on the D list.
- [83:29]
B
Jonas. No. But then again, him and Miley had some strife. I don't know.
- [83:32]
A
I don't. I don't know these people. You know, they bought my sister dessert. The Jonas Brothers at Sherman Oaks. In, like, a couple weeks ago, my sister was at a restaurant for a person's birthday, and Nick and Joe were behind them. Yes. And I guess, like, my sister was celebrating someone's birthday and they had a picture. My sister has, like, the Jonas Brothers behind her in the picture. My sister like, never lies either. She's like, very like, honest and she like had the picture and they like turn around and they like said like, we paid for your dessert. See, maybe there, you know, Kevin wasn't there, so I don't know if that's, that's true. But maybe that's a good boyfriend, cuz he was with home with his wife. I don't know. I have no idea. Anyways, don't listen to my advice. This is not a loveline for a reason, because I am not an expert or a doctor.
- [84:11]
B
No, but you're, you have good points. Like, there are, there are bad men in every category, but I do also believe that there are good men in every category, but they're harder to find. But it's worth taking the time to find. You know what I mean?
- [84:25]
A
But maybe stray away from LA Hot and famous D list.
- [84:29]
B
Yeah, for sure. And, and just D, you're such a good friend.
- [84:32]
A
Where you're like, yeah, absolutely. No, no, that's.
- [84:34]
B
But that's valid. And that is like finding more of a diamond in the rough. There are definitely categories of men who are like, better than other categories. Don't get me wrong. But I'm just saying, if someone's presenting red flags to you, yeah, they're, they're helping. Helping you. And like, you should listen to them because that's the only time they're ever going to help you, you know, And I just. First date, girl. Go on another. Go on three more first dates and call us back.
- [84:56]
A
50 first dates. Yes.
- [84:58]
B
Come on, give us a little Drew Barrymore, you know, go on 50 first dates. How we love you.
- [85:04]
A
We love you. Is that all the time we have for one question? We promise we're filming another one right now. We are gonna do a whole episode. I think we should do questions. A little rapid fire.
- [85:13]
B
Yes. Where we rapid fire a bunch of calls. Because I just love talking to you guys. You guys. And even like, like I said, I'm having kind of a rough week. And even, just like knowing how many girlies are calling in to love us. Like, I feel the love.
- [85:23]
A
You came here to help.
- [85:24]
B
I'm appreciative of not only you, but them and the girlies for just getting me out of my funk.
- [85:28]
A
No, I love, I do love. I do love the calls too, for that reason. That's why we're gonna take more because I love hearing people's voices and just getting some help. We love you guys and we'll see you in the next one.
- [85:37]
B
Bye. Bye.