MATT RIFE'S ELF COMMERCIAL 🙄 + WHAT NOBODY TELLS YOU ABOUT HAVING KIDS

Summary

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Episode: "MATT RIFE'S ELF COMMERCIAL 🙄 + WHAT NOBODY TELLS YOU ABOUT HAVING KIDS"
Hosts: Tana Mongeau & Trisha Paytas
Date: September 2, 2025

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Main Theme

This episode of Not Loveline mixes pop culture gossip, personal updates, and candid discussions about parenthood, mental health, and the unpredictability of internet fandom. Tana and Trish dive into the Matt Rife ELF cosmetics ad drama, reflect on the realities and anxieties of motherhood, and take listener calls that lead to honest, sometimes hilarious conversations about health, music, and substance use. Their signature tone is casual, wildly digressive, supportive yet unfiltered.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Streaming & Internet Fads (02:00–06:40)

• Streaming Marathons: Tana and Trish joke about doing a "telethon" or 24-hour stream, musing on the phenomenon of people streaming their sleep for tips and why audiences are drawn to it.
  • “We could literally sit and talk to each other for, like, 24 hours straight. Sleep is the only problem.” (Trisha, 02:47)
• Safety & IRL Streaming: Both express unease with live, in-public streaming due to stalkers and general anxiety about safety.
• No Editing: Live streaming’s lack of editing is a blessing and curse—they like its authenticity but fear losing control over their image or words.

2. Fast Food Commercial Milestone (09:00–15:40)

• Trisha’s Arby’s Commercial: Trisha shares excitement over her first-ever fast food commercial, shot for Arby’s, and the sense of validation it brought.
  • “This was like my dream role for sure. ...to get, like, a production commercial like that, I was like, wow.” (Trisha, 13:07)
• Brand Representation: Discussion about how non-traditional influencers are often overlooked by major brands—making this gig particularly special for Trish.
• Manifestation & Friendship: Heartfelt appreciation from Tana, highlighting the value of friends who celebrate your wins.
  • “It’s so important to have people in your life that celebrate your wins with you.” (Tana, 14:55)

3. Parenting & Gender Disappointment (16:19–20:21)

• Tana’s Ambivalence Toward Pregnancy: Tana clarifies that while she doesn’t want to be pregnant, she does want kids and hopes for a boy first—noting gender expectations influenced by her own and Trisha’s childhoods.
• Gender Disappointment: Trisha shares her experience of attending therapy for wanting a boy, raising the issue of how society shames parents with gender preferences.
  • “I feel like gender disappointment is such a real thing, and people shame people for it…” (Trisha, 18:19)
• Difficulties of Raising Daughters: Both agree girls can face greater challenges, societal scrutiny, and risks, while also stressing that the only thing that truly matters is health and happiness.

4. Internet Outrage & Reaction Culture (21:39–24:29)

• Commentary on the way any social media statement—even hoping for a “healthy baby”—can trigger backlash.
• Discussion of “rage bait” content where creators or brands post things knowing it’ll spark controversy for engagement—”That’s the bean soup thing, right? ...all the people were like, I hate bean soup. ...it has nothing to do with you. Then scroll.” (Tana, 22:41; 23:00)
• Example: Viral wedding video where a groom calls his bride by his ex’s name; internet erupts with “divorce him!” responses.

5. Matt Rife, ELF, and Marketing “Rage Bait” (36:10–44:13)

• Matt Rife ELF Commercial: Tana wonders if the campaign was intentionally designed to provoke outrage and echo the Sydney Sweeney x American Eagle marketing debate.
  • “I want to know if we’re going to start seeing a trend…where people are almost trying to emulate the same reaction that Sydney Sweeney x American Eagle got from the public.” (Tana, 36:42)
• Consumer Disconnect: Both agree ELF misjudged its audience—alluding to a mismatch between Matt Rife’s following and ELF’s “girls and gays” core consumers.
  • “There’s not a Matt Rife fan that’s going to buy Elf cosmetics.” (Trisha, 37:48)
• Discuss “rage bait” as a rising trend in advertising—where going viral via anger is as valuable as praise.

6. Notable Listener Calls (29:06–71:06)

a. Pap Smear Humor and Women’s Health (29:06–31:55)

• Caller relays a light-hearted pap smear experience.
• Hosts stress importance of regular health checkups; riff on technological advancements and TikTok trends.
  • “Checking in on your health is always, always [important].” (Tana, 30:10)
• Mini-rant on TikTok’s ever-changing guidelines and internet loopholes (33:07–34:13).

b. Nostalgia, Music, and Identity (52:38–63:39)

• Caller asks about Trisha’s My Chemical Romance obsession and Tana’s favorite musical artist.
• Trisha details her late discovery of MCR, the emotional comfort during dark times, and how the fandom has given her a sense of belonging.
  • “There’s something weirdly comforting about someone else feeling sad with you.” (Trisha, 56:27)
• Tana’s musical loves (“a smorgasbord”: Justin Bieber, Lil Wayne, Adele, Bob Dylan) and how music—especially melancholic or poetic lyrics—shapes her inner world.

c. Productivity on Substances (71:06–77:21)

• Caller asks Tana if alcohol ever made her feel more creative, even if ideas didn’t get done.
• Tana admits her past drinking fueled wild ideas (such as Dizzy Wine) and public chaos, but that sobriety makes her more effective.
  • “Yes, I had a lot of drunk ideas that definitely came…and I much prefer doing it sober.” (Tana, 74:44)
• Both reflect on brushes with addiction, the fine line between “liquid courage” and destruction, and gratitude for having survived darker times.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Streaming:

  • “Give me, like, three hours, I could definitely like, rally.” (Trisha, 02:44)
  • “Sleep is the only problem.” (Tana, 02:47)

• On the Arby’s Commercial:

  • “This was like my dream role for sure…to get, like, a production commercial like that, I was like, wow.” (Trisha, 13:07)
  • “I was so flattered...for them to write the script [about] me...it was so cute.” (Trisha, 12:11)

• On Gender Disappointment:

  • “I feel like gender disappointment is such a real thing and people shame people for it…” (Trisha, 18:19)
  • “That is the important thing…happy, healthy, that matters.” (Tana, 18:42)

• On Internet Outrage:

  • “It's so insane that like, the world is at that place.” (Tana, 23:00)

• On Rage Bait Advertising:

  • “I want to know if we’re going to start seeing a trend in marketing…where people are almost trying to emulate the same reaction that Sydney Sweeney x American Eagle got from the public.” (Tana, 36:42)

• On Favorite Music & Emotional Connection:

  • “There's something weirdly comforting about someone else feeling sad with you.” (Trisha, 56:27)
  • “Nothing brings levity and brings people together the way music does.” (Tana, 67:32)

• On Sobriety & Creativity:

  • “Yes, I had a lot of drunk ideas that definitely came…and I much prefer doing it sober.” (Tana, 74:44)
  • “How cool that we got to make it out of those places of life where we either thought we were gonna die or maybe should have died…” (Tana, 73:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Streaming & Internet Fads: 02:00–06:40
• Arby’s Commercial Announcement: 09:00–15:40
• Motherhood & Gender Disappointment: 16:19–20:21
• Internet Outrage & Virality: 21:39–24:29
• Influencer Marketing & Matt Rife/ELF Debate: 36:10–44:13
• Listener Call (Pap smear & Women’s Health): 29:06–31:55
• Listener Call (Music, Emotions, Identity): 52:38–63:39
• Listener Call (Productivity on Substances): 71:06–77:21

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Original Language & Tone: Casual, joke-heavy, unfiltered, supportive. The hosts riff off each other comfortably, move fluidly between gossipy pop culture commentary and emotionally vulnerable confessions.
• Community Vibe: The show is a safe, judgment-free space for imperfect people; listeners are encouraged to be honest about their challenges, mistakes, and joys.

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Conclusion

This Not Loveline episode balances the ridiculousness of internet trends and influencer marketing with candid talk about real life, motherhood, music as emotional balm, and surviving self-destructive phases. Tana and Trish toggle between celebrating personal wins (Arby’s ad, parenting milestones), pop culture missteps (Matt Rife/ELF), and deep-dive calls that bring nuance to issues of gender, mental health, and addiction—with plenty of iconic asides and inside jokes for loyal listeners.

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Transcript

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[B]

I would love to know when the Elf x Matt Rife commercial was shot because I want to know if we're going to start seeing a trend in marketing and a trend in different things where people are almost trying to emulate the same reaction that Sydney Sweeney ex American Eagle got from the public.

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[B]

That's so true. And the we do take a lot of calls on Patreon too, believe it or not. And we, we make sure we love those call. So we love you guys.

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Thank you. Hello.

[B]

Hi guys.

[A]

Oh, not Loveline calling. Oh my God.

[B]

Okay. Hi loveline.

[A]

Oh, you're FaceTiming FaceTime us at this number here.

[B]

We've been talking about if we should do. We love our big ideas over here. Okay. And we have our list. We have the forum, we have Madison Square Garden and then a telethon we were just talking about.

[A]

Telethon would be so much fun. Like where are we? I guess streaming. We could stream here on this channel, I guess.

[B]

And It'd just be fun. We could raise money for something we're passionate about. And, like, because Trisha and I got into this conversation of how long do we think that the both of us could genuinely yap to each other for? And, like, we both realized that the only thing that would stop us is needing to sleep.

[A]

Yeah, that's it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I could probably give me, like, three hours. I could definitely, like, rally.

[B]

Yeah. Like, wake up and then do it again. Like, not, like, we could literally sit and talk to each other for, like, 24 hours straight. Sleep is the only problem.

[A]

But probably, like, 24 hour teleton. Are, like, people coming in to, like, help us, you know what I mean? Like, to talk. Because it's like, do I sleep for two hours? Are you gonna sleep at all? Can you, like, stay up a full 24 hours?

[B]

I'm with, like, Adderall. That's not suggested. But, like, I mean, like, if I'm being honest.

[A]

So we, like, take turns. Because I. I would sleep at like, eight to, like, and I could probably get up at like, 11.

[B]

Start with, like, a baby telethon. Like a little six to eight hours.

[A]

Better.

[B]

Because.

[A]

Yeah, that's a television.

[B]

I couldn't. Do you see those people who've been like. Oh, Mari's been showing me this. Like, people who sleep on stream.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What if you fart? I would kill.

[A]

Well, I'm sure they do. I'm sure they do. Yeah. Because some people stream for, what, like, weeks at a time, right? They just don't stop streaming. Like.

[B]

Yeah. And like, I have sleep paralysis and like, one, like, demons me in my sleep sometimes, you know that.

[A]

Oh, but demon on camera would be crazy.

[B]

Yeah, I guess that's true. But I think only I see them.

[A]

Oh, oh, but you said you saw a demon. Well, on Patreon, you said you saw a demon last week, so.

[B]

Well, just like, a person that was giving demonic energy. Different than, like, sleep paralysis.

[A]

Like, patreon.com notloveling. Go get the Patreon. The demon that Dana.

[B]

We got crazy on this last Patreon. We were, like, really talking our.

[A]

But asleep prowess. Demon doesn't happen anymore, though, so.

[B]

No, it doesn't. It hasn't happened to me in a.

[A]

Long time, so we might be okay. Yeah, there's so many.

[B]

But sleeping on stream, just, like, hats off to the people who do that. Like, it's so crazy. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if I want people. Why do people like it? Why do people are into. I don't know.

[B]

Like, I think it's, like, just the novelty of knowing that they're, like, still there. Or people have weird fetishes, though.

[A]

I don't know. You know, I want to watch someone sleep. I guess I like watching some people sleep, but not someone. I don't know. I don't think.

[B]

Yeah, like, and just, like, a kai. The only thing that's cool about that is, like, they're making tips. They're literally making. They're making money. Like, lots of money in their sleep.

[A]

You watch them.

[B]

I've seen before. What they'll do is, like, certain tips make different noises. So people try and wake the person up.

[A]

Oh, they try to.

[B]

Okay, wait, Honestly, maybe I'll do it.

[A]

That's everything. They try to wake you up with money?

[B]

Yes. Like, I'd be like, oh, that's the only time I'd be a morning person.

[A]

Like, that's the only time I'm staying up 24 hours. I'm like, you want to keep tipping me? Sure. I will stay up 24 hours. Eyes glued open.

[B]

I know. I'm like. I've been debating if streaming is, like, the way to go.

[A]

What? Well, it is. I think it is definitely, like, the new Ish.

[B]

Like, I think Makoa would be good at it. So I'm kind of like, in this phase where I'm like, if you want to do it, like, I'll join you.

[A]

Like, in real live streaming.

[B]

No, like, I'm just playing, like. Like, games. Like, little gaming.

[A]

Yeah. That's different. But I think that IRL streamers are, like, the ones that go out into the world. Like. Right. Who's the big one? I show speed.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is that right? Yeah. Okay, good job. I'm, like, learning. And he goes out with, like, security. Oscar Moser talking about this, I don't know, but he goes out with, like, security. Because I'm like, wouldn't it be scary to, like, just be, like, literally at Olive Garden and, like, Burbank and people just start showing up and I guess they do. And they. People just do security, though.

[B]

Like, even, like, when Jeff Wittek and I would do street interviews, and that's not live, but it's really interacting with the public.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. And I'm just. With my stalkers. I would have such, like, ptsd. Like, even my Instagram stories, I post, like, a day later.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Oh, me too. We're both runners, too, so I feel like we see anybody. I see. Even in my own house, I see someone. I'm like, ah. Like, I just, like, run away. Oh, my God. Like, terrified always.

[B]

I'm the same way. I'm like, such a runner. It's crazy.

[A]

But people love streamers. And I do think streamers are definitely like, the people right now.

[B]

Yeah. And it's. It's like there's so many pros to it, you know, no editing.

[A]

And like, that's the con to me is like, no editing. Oh, I guess that's, you know.

[B]

Well, don't some people have the. The kill button? Like, their stream is delayed by 10 seconds and then they press the button and it like, gets rid of.

[A]

I mean, I guess that would be. Is that live? Can anyone do that on stream or. No, like, if you're out there.

[B]

I've met people who do that. Like, I've definitely seen that. Like, I know that's a thing. I don't know of every streamer.

[A]

Oh, my God. It's like, like the Oscars or something. Just like, delayed live.

[B]

Yeah, that's. Which is really smart. Honestly, I'm trying.

[A]

But also not live them because it's not just like, anything can happen. It's like, well, you have some control.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

But I guess it's a good thing. Yeah.

[B]

I'm trying to sit like a normal person. Yes.

[A]

So good. You look like Daryl Hannah and splash a mermaid.

[B]

I'm like, right.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

Too late.

[A]

So good. The tan legs. I was like, you have to wear the shorts. You don't wear shorts. I said, you look so good.

[B]

And honestly, you convinced me. These pajamas are so soft and cute. We love our skims moments. But, like, I. Someone tagged me yesterday on TikTok of the way. I was sitting in a not love line and like, my, like my was damn near out. And like, my foot is in the wide shot looking huge. And then the girl, she was laughing, she's like, oh, Tana's going to hate this angle. And I commented and I was like, you know what?

[A]

You're. You're so right angle that she was filming. You were just the angle. You were sit.

[B]

The angle I was sitting and objecting myself to being.

[A]

I stared you all the time. I'm like, oh, you look amazing. The way you, like, do that with your legs. You'll give like, Bridget Bardot.

[B]

Like, you're so cute and I love you. I think it's also the way the camera kind of pans. Like, I'll put my feet here and then they look huge. That always happens to me on Canceled too.

[A]

Oh, specifically this camera Setup. I don't know what it is. Just Trish. I like teeny tiny. For some reason, the way this is angled. Or maybe it's a chairs. Or I don't know what. Or maybe it's just me. I look like. Like my size, I think because my thighs are chair.

[B]

Because, like, these chairs are so cute. But the. We're sitting on something round and hard. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like we're sitting on a circle and it's like. Yeah, like, it's. It's hard to. And my scoliosis. It's never gonna happen for me.

[A]

Right. I know what you're saying. Yeah. I don't. I don't know if it's the most flattering chair, but.

[B]

But it's such a cute chair.

[A]

It's a cute chair.

[B]

It's a very cute.

[A]

Sean is crazy. I guess we can always try the couch and sit on the couch too. I don't know. We have a couch over there.

[B]

It's the same. It's this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's a little.

[A]

You know what? You're right. Sometimes when I was, like, just relaxing over there. If I'm like. When you do the podcast, I, like, sit over there and I'm like, yeah, that's kind of definitely not in the middle. You have to, like, sit on, like, one side or.

[B]

Yeah, very 80s. Like, very. Like, it's so cool to look out, but like. Yeah, But I also think that if you get too comfortable in what you're sitting on in a podcast, that's when I start saying the weirdest. If I'm in a room because I'm, like, fading out. Especially with how long we film.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I get delirious.

[A]

The cancel couch was comfortable. So this is getting us on edge.

[B]

Yes. Which is good because then I won't say stupid. But today, speaking of not saying stupid, we are taking calls.

[A]

We are taking calls. Are we jumping into calls right now?

[B]

Should we.

[A]

I don't know that we're gonna talk about other things. Like the boy discussion. We can jump into calls.

[B]

No, but I do want to talk about.

[A]

That's why I gotta tell you a thing. That's so exciting, actually. Okay. We always eat fast food, right? And last week I shot my first fast food commercial. Do you want to see it now? Comes out tomorrow. Filming. But it'll be out by the time we do it. Yeah, I just got, like, final approval. Comes out tomorrow. So I had to name a new drink at Arby's. Was the thing. Yes. Shout out Arby's for when my.

[B]

We love you.

[A]

I was kind of gay because I always say this. Like, fast food companies have never hired me or sponsored me. They always sponsor, like, the skinny people or whatever. So when they asked me to do this commercial, it was shot at an Arby's at Reseda.

[B]

That is so fun. Fun. And.

[A]

Yeah, it was everything I show you. Let me.

[B]

Let me know we're brand safe.

[A]

Yeah, I know. I was so excited to show you because I was like, oh, my God. I did, like, a commercial.

[B]

Stop it.

[A]

No, let me see if I can. Okay, wait. That gets so many emails. I don't know. How do I, like, search for an email? Does anyone know how to do that?

[B]

They have the best shakes. Yeah.

[A]

So the. The new one, or they're bringing it back, really is the jamoka shake is the new one. And it's so good. It's like java mocha. It's so amazing. I don't know why it doesn't come up as that.

[B]

I'm so proud of you.

[A]

Oh, I'm so excited to show you. Thank you so much.

[B]

Exciting and so hot. So 2000s, like, fast food commercial baddy. Like, that's so.

[A]

Tell me why he's an Alex car. Tell me why. That's how I felt when I was shooting this. I was like, wait, I feel like, Alex, you're on the Carl's Jr. Commercial.

[B]

Right now, which is so iconic. Like, these brands are just getting smarter and smarter. Like, Trisha paid us for your fast food item. Everyone's, like, excited, you know, like, that's so smart.

[A]

And I play an Arby's employee, and I'm behind the camera. I know. I was, like, so excited.

[B]

And you're lying.

[A]

They shut the Arby's down. And what was cool is, like, everything was shut down. But at the beginning, they asked me, you know, what do you want your writer? And I just thought it was open. I thought it was, like, open for the day. I was honestly just waters and, like, some mozzarella sticks. And they weren't making it. The kitchen was closed. But they, like, one of the general managers there, he, like, fried up the fryer to, like, make me mozzarella to go. He's like, here's your. I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm like, okay, here it is.

[B]

No, that's iconic. As you should here. Oh, my God. This is everything.

[A]

I'm so excited. This is like, my one big moment here.

[B]

I like, I love big moment. Snl. You look hot.

[A]

Oh, my God. This Is so good. It needs an iconic name. Mo Java.

[B]

Naming it with Aquaman there too. Like, that's Batman.

[A]

How about Jamoka? Huh? It's called a Jamoka Shoot.

[B]

What? Your iconic what?

[A]

Okay, you're lying. You're lying. What about Jamoka?

[B]

I'm pretty sure that's what I said.

[A]

I'm so good at this.

[B]

You're lying. You're. It's going to. I'm like, I'm so passionate. I want to run around like a little kid. It's gonna break the Internet. That's Trisha. I feel like that, like, the script of that, like, is so good too. Like, you picking the perfect name. And, like, what. That's, like, the timing, it's so.

[A]

I was so flattered. Like, it's so cool to be casted in anything, but then also for them to write the script, like, besan me. Because, like, the names, everything. It was so cute. Like, naming the names. Yeah, they put a little Aquaman in there and the little notebook. So it's like a little.

[B]

And like, you doing the iconic. Huh?

[A]

What?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, they had a really. I can't think of his name. Oh, they had a really good script writer, and he was so great and so wonderful, and he just. Yeah, he was wonderful.

[B]

Was it just, like, the best set day? Were you like, this is so iconic. I'm filming a fast food commercial. Yeah.

[A]

I was like, a trailer outside of Arby's, you know, like one of those, like, star wagons. And I was like, this is it. And it's my receipt of Arby's, which is, like, my Arby's. Yeah. And I was just feeling so cool. And they had the iconic sign. And I was. Yeah, I was like, you need my best life.

[B]

I, like, even if you don't want to do this at all, you've got to make a manifestation book for the girlies. Because it's so crazy. Like, imagine telling Trisha, like, even a year ago, like, you're gonna be in a fast food commercial. It's gonna be based around you. It's for a major fast food chain. Like, and. And you look so hot. Like, the hair, everything. I love that hair.

[A]

Thanks. I was. I was. I was feeling myself. This was, like, my dream role for sure. I've, like, never got. Won a sponsorship, but then two, to get, like, a production commercial like that, I was like, wow, I feel so cool and, like, which is so insane.

[B]

And I feel like commercials are so cool too, because, like, people are going to be seeing it at different times and just tagging you. And like, I'm also just imagining all the girlies who like call into Loveline and like watch just Trish and like, seeing that commercial like that, that's just seeing your fave on TV is so sick, you know? Thanks.

[A]

Yeah, I'm really excited. I'm really excited to see it. I'm really excited for it. Come out comes out tomorrow. They're like posted on like socials and stuff too. Like, tick tock.

[B]

But like, thank you so much for sharing that.

[A]

I was excited to show it to you because I was like, oh my God. Because like, I like, you know, I do stuff questions. I never do stuff. Cool. But it was like my first like, job back after birth and I was like, wow. I feel so like, you know, so.

[B]

Iconic that it was like. And even like one day you're gonna get to show Aquaman, like, look at this Arby's commercial that like your name is.

[A]

Your name's on. And they had me right, like if you pause it, like, it has the names crossed out of like other people's guests. So it has like Jaws on there. It has like Poseidon. It has all these different names. And they had me circle Aquaman and they actually gave me a name tag. Let me see if I can find it. The original name tag was a Trisha in the commercial, but the original one was Aquaman's mom they had on there. And I thought that was like so cool. And I was like, I took. It was just last Thursday. It was so cute. Let me see.

[B]

Done.

[A]

Aquaman's mom. Oh, that's so cute. That's so cute. This is me like working. Oh, there's Moses on the set with me. I was like behind the counter. I felt so cool. I was like, oh, yeah, that's so. Yeah. It was just. It was like a cool day.

[B]

But I'm so happy for you. It's actually crazy.

[A]

This is like the little like trailer.

[B]

Oh my. I feel like I watch a lot of commercials too. Like I'm going to end up seeing this on like while I'm watching something and I'm going to freak out.

[A]

Be so cool.

[B]

Like, I can't wait for Makoa to see it. I feel like he's going to be so excited too.

[A]

Thanks. I know. I thought it'd be cool like if you just like saw it. Cuz that's cool. I also don't like, like bring stuff up to people, but I'm like, oh, you'll be happy for me. I don't want to be like look at me in this commercial. But it's you.

[B]

Cuz I think it's so important to have people in your life that celebrate your wins with you.

[A]

You know that you're like the one and only person like that. So that's why I was like.

[B]

And like, I just feel like even all the things we talk about, like, we've literally had, I guarantee, a conversation on not Loveline about fast food commercials.

[A]

And how iconic they are. Like, we defin have because we talked about how, like, you know, I see. I'm not even mentioning any other brands, but, like, other food that I like that, like, sponsor so many people. I'm like, why don't they, like, recognize me? I talk about them all the time for free. And so we always talk about how.

[B]

Like, sometimes these moments, like, don't come as easy for us as maybe other creators, which obviously we're not about. We just, we understand that's the trope of being women with lots of lore.

[A]

Right?

[B]

But then it makes when these things happen so much more special and iconic. Now you're like Arby's, I love you so much for, like, you know, forever.

[A]

Forever in Arby's girl.

[B]

Yes, we love the meat. We have the meat. Yes, we have the meat.

[A]

We have. We have the meats. I love Arby's too. Okay, next time we'll order.

[B]

You always. You put me on to Arby's having.

[A]

Like, what do you get?

[B]

Like, ham and cheese. They're like the meat and cheese ones now. I want that.

[A]

The shakes, curly fries, mozzarella sticks, like, the whole nine. It's so good, the curly fries.

[B]

Really? Oh, yeah. She's gonna freak out.

[A]

Oh, I want to meet your mom. Oh, my. Is she in Vegas or does she here? I'm gonna meet her next time. Oh, my God.

[B]

She is actually your biggest supporter.

[A]

Real things at the Mark Wahlberg thing.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like she would know something about that too.

[A]

For sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Me and your mom. How old is your mom? She probably the same age as me.

[B]

She turns 47 next month.

[A]

Oh, like, literally, like nine years apart. That's crazy. Oh, my God.

[B]

We're.

[A]

I'm close to your mom's age than you, I think. What's your age?

[B]

26.

[A]

About the same distance.

[B]

Well, that's crazy. But she was such a young parent. We always tell her that. She's like, I'm so old.

[A]

We're like, you literally.

[B]

She had you at 18, 20. 20.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She got married to my dad when she was 17.

[A]

Oh, are they still married?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I love that. What a cute love story. Just like lifelong, forever.

[B]

I love each other's ride or die.

[A]

Well, we were talking about that earlier. Is the baby. You said, like, if you were to have a. It's so funny when you talk about kids because in my mind, I always just think like, oh, Tana's like, never. Like, when we talk off camera, I'm like, oh, she doesn't want kids. Like, no, no, I do. So then when you're like, oh, I want my first kid to be.

[B]

It's just the pregnancy thing, I think, because it's like, I always tell you I don't want to be pregnant.

[A]

Okay, okay. So you want. So you do want kids.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Why do I like you? Just say that.

[B]

You really do always think that you're like, what? I'm like, no, I told you, I walk in.

[A]

I love this for you. Okay. Amazing. And you said you want the first to be a boy, which was so interesting because. How did you bring it up? You brought it up and said, wait, let's save it for.

[B]

Because I can't stop buying stuff for Aquaman. Like, I have something else, but it's not here. And I obviously, I love all of them, like, so, so much. I love Malibu. I love Elvis so, so, so much. But I, like, I saw. I met Aquaman for the first time, and I don't know what it was. It like, struck something in me because I really do. I want girls, too. Yeah, I want boys and girls, but, like, I want a boy first, I think, especially just because, like, Makoa, like, you know, I think he'll slay that.

[A]

Yeah, of course. No, I. I thought the boy thing too. First, I, like, it's not really a secret. Like, I did want a boy first. And even the second, I was like. Because I had an older brother, and I like having an older brother, like, take care of things. Like, I always just felt like, okay, if there's a boy, they'll take care of things. Like, that's how I felt too. Obviously. Now I have two girls first, and I'm like, oh, Malibu can handle everything, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But in my head, too, I wanted it a boy first because you just feel like, okay, they'll take care of everything. I don't know why that's like, in.

[B]

My head, I also put, like, a more pressure, I think, on myself as a girl because I was a girl and I had such a bad childhood. So it's like, you know what I mean? Maybe that's what it is too it's like a self pressure thing.

[A]

I went to therapy because I really wanted a boy, the first one. And I feel like that's why I want to talk about the podcast because I feel like gender disappointment is like such a real thing and people like shame people for it because they'll do. Look, I don't think you should do a gender reveal if you're going to be like pissed that you're having a girl or something like that. That is a possibility because I'll post it.

[B]

Once you get to that point it is like, you know what I mean?

[A]

Like you're having the girl but you're.

[B]

Having a baby no matter what. And it's happy, healthy, like that matters.

[A]

That is the important thing. But then when I was going to talk to therapist about it, it really was what I discovered. And like we discovered I guess is like I low I. I'm so scared to have a girl because of what everything I've been to through too. Because girls I do think have it so much hard when I think about how my brother grew up versus how I grew up, especially as like a child, like a little girl and like a teenage girl. Like you have so many more like predators around you and not to say boys don't obviously they do. But I'm just like looking specifically at my situation with like my brother and how different it was.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And how much like more.

[B]

And there's a lot of complexity to womanhood. You know what I mean? Like just even like I think about the conversations that I have with my straight male best friends about the things they're going through and it's not like men's suicide rate is higher, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know, like men go through equally as much with just societal pressures. I don't know. And I guess I do feel more empathetic because I've walked in the shoes of that. You know what I mean? But like, yeah, it's just. And I like truly I think Makoa would like slay boy and girl dad. But like I don't know, just like something about Aquaman. I'm like, I want an Aquaman. Like I just like, I don't know.

[A]

It is different and it's totally different. It's too like with a boy, like the energy is so different and something. Yeah. Like I if we would have three girls I would have loved it too. And I like. And I was more worried after having two girls I wouldn't know how to like be with a boy. I was like oh my God. I actually don't know what to do with a boy. I still know if I know how to because he's only six weeks. So I don't know like fully, but I mean he's in pink blankets, he's in whatever. So I'm not fully like in boy mom mode. But it is such a different energy, like the way they like look at you and stuff. And it's very different. But I do love both. But it is. Yeah, if you go route, like not being pregnant, you can very well choose and a lot of people choose genders and yeah, I think there's nothing wrong.

[B]

It's also like the Internet is just I saw this girl make this TikTok where somebody said thank you so much.

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[B]

All I want is a happy, healthy baby. And then all these people were furious at her in the comments, like, well, I don't have a healthy baby and my life is great and like you essentially. And it's like, so what was, what was she supposed to say to appease you? Like, I want an unhealthy baby.

[A]

I don't. I saw it.

[B]

I don't Care if my baby is healthy or not. Like, there's. You know what I mean? Like that. Because that's just a lie. It's. It. It's like, what about me? Disease.

[A]

No, it is. And she's pregnant for the first time. Is a Teeny. Is that who you're talking about?

[B]

Oh, I don't know. Is it?

[A]

There's a girl named Teeny.

[B]

She makes the Mac and cheese. I do love her.

[A]

I love her. And she's like, pregnant with twins the first time. And she said. And I, I saw this in her comments. It could be a different. You're talking about. But I saw her saying she's, you know, just as long as the baby's healthy. It was a gender reveal. And yeah, the comments were pissed that she would say, like, why would you say that when there's some babies that are born not healthy and stuff? And she goes, there's. I'm not going to apologize for, like, wanting my baby to be healthy because everybody wants that. It doesn't always, like, happen. And there's things that happen during delivery and babies can get sick and whatever. And obviously you keep in love that baby, but there's nothing wrong with.

[B]

Yeah. Just all of those people leaving those comments.

[A]

What.

[B]

What would you want her to say? Genuinely, what would you want her to say? And it's. But that's like the whole thing. Like, that's the bean soup thing, right? Or like, the girl made the bean soup TikTok. And all the people were like, I hate bean soup. And you. And it's like, it has nothing.

[A]

See that one? That's funny.

[B]

It has nothing to do with you. Then scroll like, you know, it's just like the Internet is that scene that.

[A]

She made bean soup. Everyone's pissed.

[B]

Yes. And like, like, just like that. That's where the Internet is, you know, like, you could. You could eat an RV sandwich, you could do whatever. And people are like, I don't. I'm allergic to Arby's. It's like, well, then scroll like, it's. It's so insane that, like, the world is at that place.

[A]

Yeah. They're like that with gender reveals. And like, I do agree, like, if you're like, husband's pissed, he's having a girl and it's on camera. Like, maybe don't post that.

[B]

But we're. We're fighting for sure if that's the case. But like, I don't know. It's just. It's also strange. It really is.

[A]

There was something a woman posted of her Husband. Husband. Oh, we talked about. Just like they got married a few years ago, but they posted it and it was him saying the wrong name during their vows. He called her his ex girlfriend's name, like Sarah or something. Her name's like Nancy. And she posted it. She. Oh, this is so funny. And the whole, all the comments were like, divorce him. And then she. And then she was like shocked. She's like, why are people being so mean? It's like cuz you exposed your husband. No one would have known about this had you not put your husband on blast.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's so interesting because it's like you might think that's funny and you might think that's okay, but how can you not perceive that? Like strained. Oh my God.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

What are you doing? No, you're standing at the altar and your husband says someone else's name.

[A]

Yeah. Then like I'm swingers.

[B]

Yeah, I'm swinging. I'm dropping my vows in my microphone and I'm swinging.

[A]

It was crazy. And it's crazy to even. Like you said no one would even know about it because Gypsy Rose did the same thing as she. Her, her baby like pooped all over her arm and she like showed it to the Internet. I'm like, why are you like calling out your baby? Like your actual baby who just had like a blowout on your arm? Like, like that's so. People are so weird.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's just like, it's. Be careful with what. Because I saw someone talking about this. But it's like the way you look at your partner and you love your partner and like, you know what I mean? They can do no wrong in your eyes to other people. That's just a stranger.

[A]

Right? You know what I mean?

[B]

Like to so like, you have to protect them from that. Especially in today's society. It's so like wild.

[A]

Yeah. They're not gonna know that you guys are like wonderful now. I don't know if they are, but I guess I'm assuming. Isn't this so funny?

[B]

And I was like, girl, so crazy. A little limo to go to the tarte event. I want to beall limousine.

[A]

Oh my God. Do you have to plan the party or they're planning it for you?

[B]

I like to be like a part of it. You know what I mean? And like make sure. Especially cuz I haven't in so long. So I'm trying to put my party planner back on. Almost like. Well, leopard first of all, which is funny, but like, oh, yeah.

[A]

You said the packaging's like leopard, right? Is it piece leopard or no?

[B]

No, regular leopard. Like almost like sleaze. Like grungy feel. Like I want thongs hanging from the chandeliers and like Chippendales. Yeah, all those things.

[A]

O, that's going to be so cute. You living Chippendale is going to be there.

[B]

Yes. It's funny, I was having to look through all these male models and Amari wasn't there and I was like, Amari would have had a field day picking our male models.

[A]

Did you pick up Cuz one. My makeup artist is really good friends with one. She's like, she should pick.

[B]

I saw her message. Honestly, I ended up picking all of the ones.

[A]

Like I just was like, I'm funny. She needs to become weird. So close with him.

[B]

Cuz I love the idea of men wearing like a damn near a Speedo, serving the lip liners on a tray.

[A]

So cool.

[B]

Like I just want all the like fun.

[A]

What do you wear?

[B]

I don't know what to wear, to be honest with you. Something maybe purple. Yeah, like tart, you know.

[A]

Oh, right, right. That's like their, yeah, their color.

[B]

So probably something purple. But I'm so excited for it to come out.

[A]

It's coming out like a week, right? Two weeks.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Literally September 4th.

[A]

So that's like two weeks from today, I think. Or is it two weeks from Thursday?

[B]

Oh my God. I'm stressed.

[A]

It's so much coming so quickly.

[B]

Yeah, it is like, and I always want to do things over the top and then I'm in my over top like, and I'm like, why did I.

[A]

Want to do that? Yeah, but like, no, it's gonna be, everything's gonna be.

[B]

I'm excited. I'm so excited for the girlies to try it because it is like my favorite thing.

[A]

Oh my God, you're gonna love it. I cannot wait. Like, I love a lip product and.

[B]

I feel like we like have similar tones that we like.

[A]

You're very tan right now and I'm not, but maybe it'll go with mine.

[B]

But I, I'm gonna go broke buying spray tans. I swear they're so expensive in la.

[A]

That is crazy. I know. I'll just spray tan. I need to, I, I, I need.

[B]

To get back in just the self tan. It's so much easier. We ate McDonald's by the way.

[A]

How are you feeling? Yeah, we had to take a break.

[B]

It feels like there's a porcupine burrowing in my stomach. Like we truly like, oh, my God.

[A]

Cuz we've had it before.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't. I don't know what it is. I'm already looked at. Me too. And he was like, don't do Taco Bell. Your stomach's going to hurt. I looked him dead in the eyes. I said, I'm a tank.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

An hour later, I'm like, seeing God.

[A]

We should have gotten Arby's. It would never have done 100%.

[B]

Like, I'm seeing God right now, so forgive me if I'm.

[A]

I venture to say it's the shake, because that was crazy. Oh, you didn't.

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, wow. We have the same thing.

[B]

Oh, no, I really did. I did my big one, though.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I also think that I have a problem with, like, not, like, I'll eat more than I should. Like, I should eat slower and know when I'm full. But I just, like, will like, oh, my God.

[A]

Okay, you want to go?

[B]

No, I'm here. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be giving people real footy advice today.

[A]

Should we give some real advice? Just like, yes, yes.

[B]

And then I'm just gonna be like, yeah, you're taking through.

[A]

Are you sure you're okay? We honestly can stop.

[B]

No, I'm here. I'm gonna be so honest with you. It's so fine. Like, I did this to myself. I might take a Zofran.

[A]

You still can, like, give yourself some.

[B]

Trisha is the best. I will say anytime I, like, feel like or anything. Like, oh, I could be like, oh, my head hurts a little. And she's like, do you want to lay down?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like, we're filming.

[A]

Like, that's so sweet. We have lots of beds. Yeah, exactly. It's the.

[B]

It's the mom and you. Comes out when I don't feel good in any way. And it's so.

[A]

Oh, no, for sure. Sure. If someone doesn't feel good, like, take a break, take a nap.

[B]

I know, but we're close. We're in. And I want to give the girlies advice. And I have lots of medicine that I can take for my bubbling stomach because this happens more often.

[A]

Bubbling is so funny. That term is wild.

[B]

Yeah, it is a little bit. It's kind of gross. I should probably.

[A]

Bubbling.

[B]

Yeah, Like, I'm feeling. My stomach is feeling upset.

[A]

Every day. Should we take a call and try? Yes. See what the bubbles in your tummy say?

[B]

That's what I think. I'm gonna give genuinely different advice to you, to the state that always Depending.

[A]

On the mood or what you. Yeah. What you ate, how you feel. Like, if we did Pilates before this, we'd probably be giving, like, butterfly and rainbow advice. Like, we love everything, but it's like, yeah, eating, like, McDonald's and just feeling like a brick is in your stomach is crazy.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I'm about to tell everyone to hit everyone with a car. Like, but I'm ready. I'm so ready.

[C]

Ladies, I am back from my pap smear. It was not as bad as I thought it was gonna be. I was totally fine, but I literally could not stop laughing the entire time. Like, I was laughing so hard, and I was just, like, making jokes with the guy because I just didn't know what to do. And then we also ended up doing, like, the boob testing. He was, like, feeling around my. Making sure I didn't have any breast cancer. So it went fine. But that was definitely not what I thought was going to happen at 8am this morning. So I survived. So. Yeah. But I just remember Tana talking about. About how have they not found a better way to do a mammogram? Like, seriously, how they not found a better way to do a pap smear? Like, I swear my boyfriend pap and smears me every night. Like, why can't he get a little swabbing? Go in there, you know? So, yeah, it was fun. I made it.

[B]

I love her. Like, I just want to say never change.

[A]

First of all, once her boyfriend of pap smear with that. Yeah, just go in there and swab around.

[B]

I think this is a really good message. We have a lot of young girls listening and, you know, checking in on your health is always, always. It's actually funny. I recently saw Bunny xo talk about how she got a compressionless mammogram.

[A]

Really is on everything. I love that she is up to date with everything happening in the world.

[B]

Yes. And she, like, brought all of her girls. Same thing. Really good message where she was like, we're all going. We're going together. And, like, the girl she was with, like, they didn't want to. And she, you know, Bunny's very like, mom and, like, come on, like, we're gonna do it. And it was such a good message and, like, just smart. But I was happy because it's like, why the do you have to flatten your. To, like, pizza dough?

[A]

This was anti compression, you said?

[B]

Yes. It was like, without doing that thing. What are they doing? Like, you put your in this hole.

[A]

And then squeeze it.

[B]

I don't I don't think so. I don't. I'd have to ask Bunny. Honestly, I don't know, like, for sure, but.

[A]

Right.

[B]

She was. That's what it seemed like the tick tock. That it wasn't the antiquated type of mammogram.

[A]

Oh, yeah. That's like the. That'd be everything. Because you do an ultrasound of it, but I guess to find out if it's cancer. Yeah. They could, like, poke it. I'd rather be poked, soaked, and squeezed, you know? Me too.

[B]

Like, and the flattening of it. Oh, my. Even just doing this to myself right now hurts.

[A]

I know.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. Because also, pro tip for all the guys or girls out there who like boobs, like, don't squeeze them. They hurt. Like, I hate when a guy will, like, squeeze. I mean, it hasn't happened in a.

[B]

While, but I feel the same way. Like, also, like, I'm not into bull biting. This is very Patreon.

[A]

Oh, it is. Yeah.

[B]

This is very Patreon, this conversation. And maybe we save it for the Patreon, but, like, I have a whole take on. On biting that.

[A]

I will be sure about it on there. Go to patreon.com not loveline. Yes, I know. We should probably do a Patreon insert after this to put at the beginning. Just side note. We'll do that. Yeah, I keep forgetting to mention at the beginning. And yeah, we'll do it anyways.

[B]

Go off too many things.

[A]

Sometimes my head starts.

[B]

I. Like, this is one of those moments where I really do feel like I'm just like. Like, Like a make a wish child. Like, I somehow got here. And then you're, like, carrying and I'm just, like, looking at you and I'm like, yes.

[A]

In that moment where I'm like, we need to cut for us. Yes.

[B]

Yes. Period queen. Make that edit. Like, make our show great. Like, I'm just here. I'm just here. And lucky to be here, too.

[A]

I'm happy to be here, too. No, no, it is good to get checked. I'd have to get checked out too.

[B]

Yeah. Pap smear. That's where they scrape your wall, right?

[A]

Do they? I've had pap smears. I don't remember a screen.

[B]

Or is it like a. This is so Patreon.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

That's crazy, because every. No, but honestly, I will say that it. It's a good message. You know, someone said on Tik Tok.

[A]

There is like a filter or something that you do that and they're like. It's like a dirty thing people are doing on Tik Tok now. But it's like, it's. It's for a filter to, like, adjust and it's obviously meant to look like what you just did.

[B]

Yeah. Like some. That is like. It's so funny.

[A]

Like, get past me Slutty.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. But I feel like the Tik Tok guidelines, like, it's like people find the weirdest ways to cheat.

[A]

There are like, loopholes. I always see, like, get your kids off Tik Tok because there's this new filter. Oh, are you.

[B]

Yeah, I saw that.

[A]

I didn't finish watching it. What was it?

[B]

Me either.

[A]

And I was like, what is this? It's like a duck filter. Then I just stopped watching. I don't know what this is.

[B]

That's so fun. And they're changing the guidelines. Crazy. To TikTok right now. Have you been seeing that?

[A]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is it? It's. They always change.

[B]

No bikinis, no branding. No.

[A]

No branding. What does that mean?

[B]

No political opinions.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah, they're like, really changing.

[A]

No branding. I mean, you can't wear like Abercrombie shirts or what?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. And everything is subject for TikTok to decide. Like, it all says like to, like, essentially to their description, discretion. So, like, if you know what I mean.

[A]

I hate when it changes too much. I love tick tock tick tock. Maybe I hate when it changes too much too, because there's something else too.

[B]

Like a lot of people are boycotting because they're like, our freedom.

[A]

That is kind of crazy about, like the political stuff. Like, what do you mean? You can't just talk about, like, what you feel about the world.

[B]

Yeah. Which is so interesting. There was a bunch more too. And I like, can't remember. No, no pranks with pets. No.

[A]

There was so specific.

[B]

There were so many. There was like. There's like 50.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And they're all like, really just like, niche things. But, like, I never.

[A]

Yeah, I should stop and like, listen to it. I never really listen because I saw one a while ago. The change was like, you can't have, like, photos, like, the green screen. You can't put, like, photos behind you on a green screen or something like that.

[B]

Yeah. Which I love doing.

[A]

Do you do that still not.

[B]

But like, when I need to and I need to be like, look like.

[A]

I don't see people do it as much anymore because I think they like, bandit or something. I Don't like it away.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I also heard there's like a new one coming in September. Like a new us.

[B]

Tick tock. No swimwear. How am I gonna co out?

[A]

Does it know swimwear for guys too?

[B]

Well, actually, I don't know if it was bikinis or swimwear. I can't remember.

[A]

They should probably do it for guys and girls equally because it sucks. Like, you have a bikini, but then like.

[B]

Yeah, that feels very regressive. But then again, so does a lot of things that's happening in society.

[A]

That is very true. And because that was a good one. You directed it.

[B]

Yes. I like, like g. I just, like, I saw the moment and I was like, we have to. We have to do something.

[A]

It was so good. And all the girlies were like, you know, Tana's behind the camera of this.

[B]

Like, everyone's like, it was. Been so fun.

[A]

Honestly, it was so good. It looked like a real commercial. Like, it was just like slow mo. I almost texted you and be like, oh, my God, this is so good. But I was like, she's probably like, I know. Like, I filmed it. Like, what?

[B]

Stop. She's so funny. She's so funny. It's like, no. I would have been so happy to see that text. I'm happy that he's like, down, you know, he's just like. Cuz even when I pitched the idea to him, like, I brought the setting spray. I definitely. Cuz he had just smoked and it was Sunday. I thought he was gonna be like, no. And then he. He like got into it. He was like, what if we put it on the basketball hoop? And like, whatever. And I was like, yes, kid.

[A]

Oh, I love. He had the input, the idea. I saw Brook reposted it. I commented on it. Everyone was just so excited about it. They're all like, this is everything.

[B]

I'm like, just so happy. Sorry. Also, if I'm like doing Cirque du Soleil, I'm just trying to feel something. Oh, your.

[A]

Oh, right, your bubblies. Yeah.

[B]

My bubbles. My McDonald's baby. But I am so happy for Makoa.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's gonna be. I think, what if Elvis? Wouldn't that be crazy?

[B]

I would be so gagged. I just feel like, yes, he's. He's a model. He's so beautiful.

[A]

Yes. And for the girls, for the gays.

[B]

Yes. And just a good person, obviously, and so smart. So anything he's down to do, I'm just so in support of, you know.

[A]

Yeah, he'd be amazing. There was a list I saw on Tick Tock of all these guys that ELF could have used that are girl and gay friendly besides Matt Rife. And there was like a list of 20 people. It was like, like, Bowen Yang, Matt Rogers. Like, just like so many people that are like, oh, Jake, Shane. They're like, there's so many comedians they could have used, which is like, so crazy.

[B]

I. It's. It is so wild to me. But I have a theory. I have, like. And I almost posted this on Tick Tock and then I didn't and let me know if I'm wrong. You could easily sway me in the comments.

[A]

I love that this is all like, what's in your drafts of Tick Tock? And I love it. I was like, what didn't you post?

[B]

Because lately I've just been like, holy drafts. But there. I would love to know when the ELF x Matt Rife commercial was shot because I want to know if we're going to start seeing a trend in marketing and a trend in different things where people are almost trying to emulate the same reaction that Sydney Sweeney ex American Eagle got from the public. And it's hard because the Sydney Sweeney ex American Eagle thing, unfortunately, like, there are going to be so many people that are on the Republican side of things or so many people who like men who think she's hot, where that ad almost swayed them to go buy American Eagle. Like, as many people as there are enraged that I've also seen a lot of people that are like, this made me love American Eagle. Like, you know what I mean?

[A]

Right.

[B]

And like, it. Their stock went up and like, whatever. Which is just like. But like, I'm wondering if other. Like, I'm wondering if ELF was like, this is going to enrage people, but in the right way.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then they missed the mark because their entire consumer is girls and gays. Who that person.

[A]

I was going to say, yeah, that would work in most cases. But, like, there's not a Matt R Fan that's gonna buy Elf cosmetics. Is there a Matt R Fan, period? I don't know. But like, they're definitely not gonna buy Elf cosmetics.

[B]

It's like lobotomized housewives. I feel like that, like, love Matt Rice. You know what I mean? Yeah.

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[B]

And go get styled. Yeah. It's crazy because I do think right now he can sell out, like, damn near an arena or an arena. Yeah, like he. His. Yes.

[A]

Like when apparently he said he told out Madison Garden three nights in a row. No.

[B]

Yeah. Like, they're like that. Like women. I feel like women in Texas and they sit at home all day and they just think he's so cute and precious. Like, it's real. What it's. And they love him. And they take their Lorazepam and they drink their red wine.

[A]

He's on the next episode.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Lotus. I have two things.

[B]

One, it's the fact that he's using Billy Idol's marketing as his marketing. Like the rebel. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, cringe. As much as I love a cosplay Hate it for him. Yeah.

[B]

Going off of what you just said, did you see Nickelandrea's lip combo with Nyx? Nyx, which I saw. They were on Love island and they were the runner up. He has this whole thing with Nick's cosmetic right now, and it feels like the same. So sort of meant, right? As a consumer, at least as me. Just me personally. Like, there's. I mean, Adam Sandler, I guess, could get me to buy anything, but other than that, it's like, I'm not watching a straight man in a makeup commercial and think. I'm watching a woman in a makeup commercial and thinking, wow, her contour is blinding.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, her highlights. Blinding. Her contour looks sickening.

[A]

Her.

[B]

I can't believe I just said her contour is blinding. It's like, you idiot.

[A]

Isn't it blinding? Isn't it bright?

[B]

The highlight is blinding. It's like I'm coming out with a makeup product at the end of the month.

[A]

It's like, come on. On.

[B]

Sorry. I'm focused on my bubble.

[A]

I was like, yeah, yes, that contour is blinding.

[B]

No, but, like, you know what I mean? It's just like, I'm sold by, like, a woman, you know, Even, like, right now, like, your eyeshadow looks so good that I'm like, what eyeshadow is that?

[A]

Of course. These are from Kylie. She was wearing it in her Instagram. I was like, we're buying these right now.

[B]

Like, yes, exactly. Like, I just.

[A]

If Matt Rife is wearing skims, I'm not buying it.

[B]

The straight men for makeup is very interesting societal plot twist, but you might be right.

[A]

I get. I don't know. It's like we're in this weird, like, Black Mirror episode or something because it's, like, so odd. Like, what are you doing? Why men that wear makeup?

[B]

Like, I don't understand our men that, like. Like, if it was Justin Bieber for Road, like, there's certain things that, like, make sense, I guess, but, like, just, like, it's so strange. I'm trying to think of, like, maybe even someone more fluid, like Harry Styles.

[A]

Yeah, Harry Styles.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. The Nick thing is weird, though, because he just got into it with Dallas Mendoza over calling Dallas James Charles at a event.

[A]

Did you guys cover that? Yeah, we covered Hot Topics House, James.

[B]

Charles, and now here he is with the makeup deal.

[A]

Stop it. Kind of hit the whole, oh, yes.

[B]

Imagine explaining any of this to a Victorian child.

[A]

Right, right, Right. No, Right. They're like, what? Who? What? No. And then we Got weird amount of homophobic people in our comments being like, well, D. Looks like James. I'm like, you guys are missing the whole point. Yeah, it was this. This Nick. I don't know from what. Is he from Love Island? Yeah, he saw Dallas Mendoza and called him, like, James Charles at, like, an event. And then, you know, obviously, like, yeah.

[B]

Dallas was messaging me, and he was like, can canceled about it. And I was like, cancel this canceled. But, like, like, I would have loved.

[A]

To, like, oh, yeah, that's.

[B]

That is the Love island makeup crossover tea. It's so. It's all just so.

[A]

But the timing is crazy because. What do you mean? You just were, like, somewhat, like, weirdly homophobic towards. Because, like, you know, why would you say that? First of all, it's like, if you thought that it's like, a weird thing to just say just because they're, like, boys that wear makeup, gay boys. I don't know. It's, like, very odd. It's very weird.

[B]

And I, like, there's the part of my heart that always hopes the best where I just hope it was like. Like, maybe he really thought it was. Or like. Or just. Yeah. Trying to be, you know, Because I really love Nickelandria. Like, I actually really do. I think she is, like, this powerhouse, beautiful, supermodel woman who, like, has. You know what I mean, Just, like, the world in her hands and, like, it. So much of what we see of them is him just supporting that and it seeming to be this real genuine. Especially everything that just happened with Janae and Kenny from the last season. I want nothing more. More than to hope that. You know what I mean, that it works. Yeah. And I'm just like, so.

[A]

But he has a lip combo. Does he wear makeup or he just.

[B]

Has a lip combo and everyone's. That's the whole thing with the Love island thing, you know what I mean? Like, just hoping people's intentions are pure because it's so.

[A]

But just like, having a product just to have a practically, like, don't actually wear is, like, an odd thing. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like me promoting, like, 24 Hour Fitness or something. You know, it's just, like, odd, you know, it's like, yeah, it's like me.

[B]

Like, doing an NFL.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Like, it is just, like, not me doing.

[A]

Doing a Super bowl thing this year. I was like, I love watching the super bowl camp.

[B]

Like, I get what you're saying. Like, just, like, it is so interesting just where the world is at. But. Yeah. I wonder if we're going to be seeing a lot more rage bait ads of people trying to like, emulate that same thing.

[A]

Which is just like cuz Elton didn't take it down. Right. Did like sales go up? Like, I don't know.

[B]

And they're raising their prices and like, I get that like society know the everything's more expensive, but like, I don't know, just damn.

[A]

Arizona iced tea kept it at 99 cents. And the CEO said, We are not raising those prices ever.

[B]

That's iconic.

[A]

So good, right? Yeah, because it's like, we know how much things cost to make and it's.

[B]

Like, it's actually iconic.

[A]

We love Arizona tea.

[B]

You don't see that often.

[A]

We should get some for the next episode. Arizona tea. I love Arizona tea in the big can.

[B]

We do need those.

[A]

Let's get them next time.

[B]

I love how excited you get about things.

[A]

She goes. Because I usually end up on road trips or like, back when I was a kid, my dad and my brother would golf like 36 holes of golf. And I'd sit in the clubhouse and I just drink those Arizona's iced teas.

[B]

Just so get in the green and the pink, like the packaging.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm saying like 2000. So romanticized.

[A]

Yes. Oh, my God. We got to get that. Okay. And Arby's. Next time we'll get Arby's sticks and Jamoca shakes and ar.

[B]

And I'm gonna take lactate before I eat it.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Are you lactose?

[B]

No, but I, I'm something toast.

[A]

Yeah. And the cheese dip is good. They have good, like, cheese dip with the curly fries and crinkle fries. So I get like three cheese cheese cups. They're so.

[B]

I love a curly fry.

[A]

The curl. Have you had Arby's Curly. Yes. Okay. Okay. They're so good.

[B]

Yes. And Arby's was always, like, very well priced growing up too, so that was fun.

[A]

Yeah, it still is. And I, I, they're hard to find.

[B]

In a long time, but yeah, our parents, like, they love Arby's.

[A]

This is so funny. Yeah.

[B]

Whenever we're like, placing Uber Eats orders, it's like me and Amari high on the couch at home. They're like, we want Arby's.

[A]

Wait, really? Icons? Millennials. Millennials are iconic. I am an millennial. And we are iconic Arby's people.

[B]

Whoa. I've never thought about that. Like, is it like Deborah's a millennial? Right?

[A]

Yeah, for sure. Whoa's age.

[B]

Yeah. That's just like, really wild.

[A]

That's so crazy. I guess it's, like, on the cusp. I guess it's somewhat Gen X. I don't know. Yeah.

[B]

She does. She's considered Gen X, I guess.

[A]

Oh, is it. What year is Millennial start? Millennial or end or whatever generally defined.

[B]

As those between 1980-06. I'm a millennial. I was born in 98, but I know I'm a millennial in 96.

[A]

So you're a Gen Z.

[B]

No, I was born in 9. I was born in 98, so I'm gen Z technically. But you give Millennial.

[A]

You do give Millennial. I always am.

[B]

100Amillennial.

[A]

Yeah, you get like, millennial, but not, like, too bad. Like, not, like, too cringe.

[B]

But I'm so, like, butt first coffee. Like, I. I know.

[A]

I do love those signs, though, too. I love it. It too.

[B]

Like, I know I am.

[A]

And it's honestly love.

[B]

It's such a running bit between, like, me, Paige and Brooke too. Like, on tour and stuff. Like, even just things I say on stage.

[A]

What do you say?

[B]

Like, I was, like, making the whole crowd, we were all going gaslight, gatekeep, girl, boss about something. And, like, that's so, like, put that on the incursive font like on a shirt.

[A]

Like, so that's kind of everything. I would wear that. Like, if that was, like, on a shirt, I'd buy it.

[B]

That's. You know what I mean? That's. We are the same.

[A]

I love. I love funny sayings like that. That. Yeah, we have ohana. Means family upstairs night. Ironically, we just have it, like, in our house. We're like, that's so cute, but it is. No way.

[B]

I love that.

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A little millennial. It has a little lelone stitch on it.

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[B]

Sounds kind of cute, but so cute.

[A]

Yeah, we love. Where were we going? Oh, we were talking about. What are we talking about?

[B]

You know what I would just like want to say to you right now is that the speed you talk at is the most satisfying thing in the world. Like my adhd. I wish everyone talked at the speed you talk at.

[A]

I do love that people now love that because people my age and older were just like, you need to slow down. Like you need to slow.

[B]

People used to always say that to me, like growing up, like, you need to slow down. And I'm like, like, that's just how I am.

[A]

It's so funny.

[B]

I also just want to say that I love all of your children equally because there was one episode because I did, I I missed out on getting baby Elvis a gift when you had given birth to her. And then people were like, as a middle child, this hurt me. And I was like, I love Elvis so much. I have moments with Elvis all the time. I will do anything for her. I just. And now all the time I'm like Aquaman.

[A]

It's like so funny. No, but the middle child does get overlooked. I am a middle child as well. It does get overlooked. Cuz you do get squished. Me too. I did a labor delivery story for Malibu and I did one for Aquaman and I never did Elvis's. And everyone's like, that's so middle child. Like not get their labor and delivery story. And I was like, hers was just a perfect birth. So I had nothing to really say. I was like, it just went easy. It was wonderful. It was great.

[B]

And if you were a middle child, like that might mean that Elvis ends up being like superstar.

[A]

Like, yeah, Malibu is more quiet and reserved and Aquaman, we don't know yet. But like I'm the male Child. And I really thrived.

[B]

What could you see each of your kids base. I mean, I guess Aquaman is like four days old, but, like, being for a living, like. Like it based on their personalities.

[A]

Like, I really do think Malibu is very, like, intricate. She's very, like, she's loves, like, you know, I have so much asmr. Like toys and stuff like that. And she always goes for, like, the dental equipment, like kids dental equipment. But she loves, like, doing teeth and doing like that. Like, so she's like, meticulous. Like, she sees something like on her nails. She's very like, good at like, getting it out underneath. She's very, like, good. Like, little things. So I think she'd be like a microsurgeon or something. She's like a little. Oh, yeah, I think she'd be great. Elvis will be like a performer, I think, because she is, like, so funny. She emulates everyone. I have so many videos from yesterday of her. Just like, she just mimics things. She's just funny. She's this funny girl. And then Aquaman, I honestly do see him being like, something oceanic. Whether that's a marine biologist or a diver or something like that.

[B]

That's so cool.

[A]

I always had that vision. And that's why we came up with a water name. I was like, oh, I feel this is a water baby.

[B]

I can't wait till they're older. And like, just like, I want Uncle Mokoa to take Aquaman diving.

[A]

Oh, my God, that would be so fun. We all live in Maui. Like, I. I'm so drawn to Maui recently. And I've been telling everyone, like. Cause Oscar goes there once a year. You're there. I'm like, can we all just go to Maui? Like, I know they don't like you. He's a native, so you can go there. But I know they don't want us all there. But maybe I'll come in your house and that way just like, yes.

[B]

And just.

[A]

It's beautiful. It's like, love it.

[B]

It's so. And I think that it's also. I don't want to speak for anyone, but just when I'm there, like, I'm well aware of the fact that, like, I don't. I just try not to be a part of any problem and only, like, make things better. Like, it's so. Even if I, like, see litter anywhere, trash, like, I'm always gonna go, like, put. And like, put it where it's supposed to be and just different things like that because it's. It's like, yeah, it's an island. It has to like, the people have to take care of it. You know what I mean? It's not the same thing as.

[A]

And they take care of it beautifully. It's so beautiful and wonderful. Did you see Alex Warren bring up Cover's mom for one of his shows and she was doing the little Hulu. I was like, this is so cute. I don't know, I just, I'm really into like, yeah, Polynesian culture right now online. Like, obviously, like, just I didn't know much about it. Like, I just didn't know, you know, I knew Hawaii, but I didn't know about all the.

[B]

Yeah, it's. Last time me, Mokoa, Alex and Cover got dinner, we were like talking all about that because it's like Cover and Moa like know where each other, like exactly where each other is from and stuff. Yeah. And it is just even Moa's mom, like telling the story of how she named all of her kids. Cuz I'm a siblings everything. Everyone has really like cute, unique names.

[A]

I love cute, unique names. I think that's everything.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Hawaiian kid name for you.

[B]

That's so sweet.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Yes, Call her, call her.

[C]

Caller, first and foremost, just want to say I love you, you both so much. Your podcast is 100% my comfort podcast. I love you. I just want to say specifically, Trisha, I am a die hard, my comical romance fan. I have a vampires will never hurt you tattoo. They've been my favorite band since I was 12 years old. That band saved my life. I absolutely understand what you're saying about the way that you love MCR and how you see other fans love them the same way. So I wanted to ask you, Trisha, specifically, what got you into my chemical Romance and why do you feel such a deep connection connection to them? And then Tana, who is your favorite artist and what sort of connection do you feel to them? It doesn't have to necessarily be a musician, but it could be like a fashion designer or just a general artist.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Love you ladies. Bye.

[A]

Oh my God. Love this question so much. I talked for two hours about this.

[B]

I am so excited because I've never asked you that either. I'm just always like, I know that you love Gerard and I know that you love Mike, but like, yeah, what was your first, like moment where you really.

[A]

Mine they just sent me. It was on just Trish yesterday. They just sent me a PR package and they gave me like all the tour merch. It said from the MCR Family. It's from Warner Music. Like, thank you for the support. It was so funny. They were doing a stadium tour. I'm like, thank you for the support.

[B]

I was like, no, no, that's real.

[A]

It was really nice. And they gave me every single piece of tour merch from the black crate. It was really nice. It's really, like, limited edition posters in there. It's all in that room. I went to go get the ad reads and I was like, oh, I love all this. I need to take it up. It's like a box, like this big. It's like probably 50 pounds of, like, merch. I was so happy. They're giving me, like, the zip ups, the exclusive, like, city tees and stuff. It was really nice. And it says they gave a little letter, like, MCR family.

[B]

And that's just so sweet to feel after, like, everything that you've been feeling about, like, you know what I mean?

[A]

Like, they said because they contacted Oscar and then Moses were like, hey, bring it in. I was like, what are we bringing in? Because we were talking. Oh, well, it relates to you too. We were talking about how in 2006, the two albums were Hannah Montana. Yeah, Hannah Montana was number one and Black Parade was number two. And I was saying how I'm like, even though I like Tana Montana, like, that's kind of because black craze, like, better. And then obviously Oscar's like, arguing the ham on tan side. Anyways, we went back and forth and they're like, oh, speaking of. And then they surprised me. And I had no idea I was wearing a My Chemical Romance shirt as they surprised me with My Chemical Romance.

[B]

But that's so cute.

[A]

But my story is, like, not as, like, exciting or interesting as, like, the emos or the. The people who love MCR from the beginning. Because I wasn't really. I should have been like, it's my era. Like, I graduated high school 2006, so, like, Black Parade would have been my era. Three Cheers would have been, like, when I was in high school, but I just wasn't. I was like a Britney fan, you know, So I didn't know anything about My Chemical Romance except Elena. I did think he was cute in that one anyways, only because he looked like Michael Jackson. And I really like Michael Jackson in high school. So that was where it is. But I really didn't get into them until 2020. So I'm like a really, like, late fam. And this guy, weirdly enough, again, this guy that I was doing all those with, like, in In December and January. He was a drummer, and he loved me. He was my age. We were the same age. And he was, like, loved My Chemical Romance, and he would, like, drum and do all their songs and stuff like. Like that. So I was, like, trying to impress them. So I came up with, like, an emo band. Oh. We were supposed to do it together. So I was like, why don't we start an emo band together? We're both, like, 35 at the time. Maybe 34.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How old was I in 20? 20? 31. I don't know. We were in our 30s. And he's like, yeah, we should start a band. And I was gonna, like, fund it, and I'm like, I'll do music videos. So we. So that's where, like, sad boy 2005 came about. And it was basically just like, all the music videos were, like, an homage to, like, My Chemical Romance because he loved him so much. But having said that, for, like, four weeks straight, while we're just on all these stuff, like, we're listening to Black Parade in its entirety, which I had never heard before, and then you're listening to it on just like, wow, this is the best thing ever. And so I was, like, really into it, and we were both very sad at the time. 2019. I told you it was like my spiral downward year. Like, everything is sucks. Like, I really want to end it all. So it's weird listening to My Chemical Romance, specifically Black Parade, where it's, like. Has songs like, Dead and, like, you know, all these, like, Cancer is, like, the saddest song in the whole world. Like, really sad songs. There's something weirdly comforting about. About someone else feeling sad with you. So, like, listening to that music, you're kind of like, yes. I don't know. You're kind of like, no, we're gonna make it through. Specifically, famous last words. It's like, I. It's about the band. Like, you know, they're. They were, like, on the verge of breaking up, like, not finishing the album, and then they, like. I don't know. There's just, like, so much. I don't know. I was getting so emotional seeing these in 2020. I was, like, crying my eyes out. I was like, yeah, I feel it so much, but that's real.

[B]

I feel like, especially in dark times. Like, I saw someone the other day post something like, how beautiful is it? How lucky are we to be so moved by music? Yeah. And then, like, there are people that aren't necessarily moved by music. And, like, you know, What? I mean, just like that.

[A]

That was me. I never. I still kind of don't feel much through music. I listen, like, musical theater, like Donny Yasmin, and I never feel, like, too much musical theater. More so because there's, like, more story.

[B]

To it, but Moved you, so. Yeah, that makes so much sense.

[A]

Like, someone else's feeling this pain. We are gonna make it through. It's okay. You know what I mean? And then. And then there are those, like. Yeah, I just. I still sing, like, cancer from the top of my lungs. Like, in the car. Like, I just, like. Because especially through postpartum depression, I'm just like. It's. It's obviously someone going through cancer. It's, like, totally different. But you just feel. I don't know. You, like, you feel. Someone feels. Yeah, someone feels, like, your pain.

[B]

Yes. Oh, my God. And that feeling of, like, hearing a song where, like, you're like, this is me right now. You know what I mean? Like, that. Oh, my God. The other day, I was listening to When We Were Young by Adele, and I'd always related this song to, like, past relationships, but I was about to go see Brooke, and I was getting ready, and I was listening to it, and it's just like. I don't know. I was moved to tears just because it was reminding me of, like, us in the beginning of Canceled and just about when we were young and how time goes on and, like, all these things. And then I, like, was like, how beautiful is it that, like, this is able to move. You're feeling something in this way, and.

[A]

You'Re feeling, like, deeply and like, just from, like, a music, like, a song, is it that you're.

[B]

I mean, my top artists of all time, my favorite artists are Justin Bieber, Lil Wayne Adele, Miley Cyrus.

[A]

What a smorgasbord.

[B]

That's like.

[A]

That couldn't be more different.

[B]

Noah Khan, Lewis Capaldi.

[A]

Oh, you have a lot.

[B]

Miley. Did I say Miley Cyrus?

[A]

Yeah. What's your, like, big one that you might just, like, combust. Yeah. Or that Gun to my head.

[B]

My number one artist. I could only listen to one artist. Okay, well, I was gonna say something crazy, though, right now. Like, I am in an extreme Bob Dyl era. Oh, I love Bob Dylan. And I know that that, like, pisses some people off. I'm not sitting here saying that he was the best partner or lover or human being across all of it. Like, I'm separating the art from the artist. And I actually will be talking about this a lot in my book. Like, Bob Dylan has a lot of ties to my life and just like my story and like, all of these things. But I love Bob Dylan so much, and my house is turning into a Bob Dylan shrine. If I get one more thing with his face.

[A]

Really, what is it about? Because I like. I guess I don't really. I haven't talked to Jack about music in general, but, like, I haven't heard talk about this much.

[B]

His writing is just like, so incredible, so poetic. I do love, like, folky music. If I had to pick, like, one genre forever, like the Noah Kahans, like, get the banjo, get the harmonica. Like the rasp. Like, Bob Dylan is almost known for kind of singing and like a raspier. Like, not everyone loves it. It's very polarizing. Some people like, he sounds like. And then other people are like, Bob Dylan. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, what's like a song? Like, I'm so bad. Like, what is like a. His big one.

[B]

Like a Rolling Stone is probably.

[A]

Can you do like, an impression, like, a little bit of his voice?

[B]

No, wait, really?

[A]

Like, I want to know, like, Bruce Springsteen or like, what is like, the voice? Like, Like, Yes. It's like old man. Like.

[B]

Yes, very old. Like. Like a. Like Bob Dylan's Lord. He's like also the og like, kind of sounds like he's dying. Kind of of like cigarette. Your cigarette smoking. Like, like, vibe that I love.

[A]

Hear a song and. Yeah.

[B]

He was also a major activist, which he did kind of steal that swag from this woman, Joan Baez. And there's. There's so. There's so much there. There's so much more.

[A]

Still being an activist from someone. I think he.

[B]

I think he. He saw how she was doing things and started to do them that way. And there's a whole.

[A]

But I guess it's a good thing. Isn't that what activists do? Inspire other people to? I guess.

[B]

True. Some people are like, she didn't get enough recognition.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

That, like. But then their love story. So much lore.

[A]

Like, just dating her.

[B]

Well, kinda. But then kind of like playing her and like, just very like, OG Boy to me. I don't know how to explain.

[A]

That does not sound like a boy. That's crazy.

[B]

There's so much like, oh, what? Oh, my God, I could be so passionate. I'm always educating Amari on Bob Dylan. Lauren. He's like, shut up.

[A]

Yeah, I get it. Like, when you, like, don't know anything about someone or you're just like, so. Because you have to, like, get into it. That's like, me too. People like, it will say like, I love, like, you know, like Taylor Swift. I like, like her and stuff like that. But you know, people be like, wait, tell me the full lore. And I'm like, I don't really fully get any of this yet, but one day I'll be there. Don't worry. Yes.

[B]

Taylor Swift is also such a talented writer. Like, that's another one. Everything. Billy Joel. I could go on. Like, there's just so many.

[A]

The most random.

[B]

I know I am. I'm truly like so all over the place. It's crazy.

[A]

That voice particularly. And not even like. Like that one is. That's wild.

[B]

That's. It's. And it's always, Ask Meg, ask Meg. It's always Bob Dylan in the car.

[A]

It'S Bob Dylan in the house.

[B]

It's Bob Dylan framed photos, Bob Dylan books.

[A]

But then are you sad that you'll never like, get to meet him? Cuz he's like, he's alive.

[B]

But like.

[A]

You lose. Wait, he's alive? He's alive.

[B]

He doesn't want to be. Even Timothy Sh. Yeah.

[A]

And he. Yeah.

[B]

Timothy Sh. Played him.

[A]

He's one of those people. He's like, I can't. He is one.

[B]

He is like the. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he is one of the only artists to ever win a Nobel Peace Prize and not show up for it.

[A]

Like, I kind of don't like him though.

[B]

No, that's what I'm saying. Like what? No, I know it's polarizing and you either think it's camp for you, like that's. That's why I had to preface it like, cuz I like, like I. People have a lot to say about me loving Bob Dylan, but I do. But I also tie it to so many parts of my life, which also matters.

[A]

And it does. How you relate to it and how you tie to it. That is so funny.

[B]

Yeah. I want to keep going. I was about to go on all the same way.

[A]

I'm gonna say I could like chat all day about like what we love about this person. Like, oh, by the way, also this and this and this. And don't forget this part yet.

[B]

It's so real. He's kind of My Chemical, my. My Chemical Romance, my Gerard voice sometimes.

[A]

But that's what I'm saying. Like, would you want. Because, you know, some people don't want to meet their idols. Like, I don't want to meet my. Would you want to meet him? Or you're just like, he hates everyone.

[B]

No, Bob Dylan doesn't want to mean, like, not even just me. Like, no. He's one of those where it's like, I have no desire. And even, like, seeing him live, like.

[A]

Oh, you don't think about this.

[B]

That song was recorded, like, 1964 is when that came out.

[A]

He then he's in his 80s.

[B]

Yeah. And like, imagine if that's how raspy he sounded in 1964. Like, now it's like a little inaudible. Oh, my God.

[A]

Performing still. Does he perform?

[B]

Occasionally, but then he'll do his shows and he won't play any of his hits. Like, people get really upset. Like, he'll like, walk off.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

But it's like, I don't know why. I. I just.

[A]

I don't know why do people like him? I'd be like, okay, that's true to form.

[B]

He's an artist.

[A]

Like, he is not here to please audiences.

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[B]

There are definitely some things.

[A]

Make it for yourself and stay quiet.

[B]

And even like Lil Wayne. Like, I do. Like, I love these artists. Like, Lil Wayne is notorious. I. I have been to seven Lil Wayne shows where I got there and he canceled that day. Like, festivals that I flew across the country for and then I got there and he canceled. Like, oh, I'll never crazy.

[A]

Cuz, like, okay, one or two you have some emergency with seven is wild.

[B]

Yeah, like where I was like, at a festival that I flew in just to see L. Wayne and then like, I'm standing there in the pit and.

[A]

He cancels like the hour of yes yes.

[B]

And like, I don't know, I. I just end up loving polarizing artists other.

[A]

Than have like issues, like health issues.

[B]

A bunch of times from stomach problems. Yeah, you guys are pretty similar.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That'S my twin.

[A]

Except you show up on stage when you have a stomach problem. You're like, I was in the hospital. I'm going right now to my well and just.

[B]

He. He's not shown up to shows, I think for like, oh, I can't bring my gun in. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he's.

[A]

Wow. Okay, okay.

[B]

But I love L. Wayne's music. I love his discography, his lore. I. I don't know.

[A]

I honestly don't even know. I don't think I know Dwayne song.

[B]

You know, like a Millie. A Millie, A Millie. You might know that. Another teaching moment.

[A]

Give me another one.

[B]

We can be done. We can be done. Oh my God. Lollipops. Or somebody know lollipop. Yes. Don't get me started. I mean.

[A]

No, I don't think I know.

[B]

Yeah, there was a song. She's in the car with Mal, officers. Oh my. My kids are going to be so confused.

[A]

Traumatized. At your Target party. She's like, what? Yeah, Be like, I was trying to get into the mood. No, there. In 2009, he had a song come. I have no idea what it was, but I did audition for a Little Wayne video right at the end of the night.

[B]

You auditioned for the how to Love music video?

[A]

How did you know that?

[B]

I know everything.

[A]

That's so funny. They gave it to like a real actress, but like, yeah, it was like someone, maybe she was dying or something. She was like a stripper, but she was like dying maybe.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. And you had to be like, obviously a good actress. And I remember that addition. I was just like dying, like not giving what I needed to give.

[B]

But imagine I didn't know what she had.

[A]

They're like, you're just dying. They didn't talk me. Like, obviously what she has. Like, okay, well, if I was dying like a, you know, an internal death, it would have been different. I thought it was like dying. Dying.

[B]

Yeah. But that's still just so iconic that you auditioned for that. Like, oh my God, the girl, she's.

[A]

Like this beautiful, like, actress who's like an actress.

[B]

That song was my ringtone on my first flip phone.

[A]

Out of love. Yeah, that's what it is. That's Lil Wayne. Yes, I do know that one. Cuz I would listen to it and I said, oh, I could have been in this one because it's like more.

[B]

Of a sing songy one of his only. Like not his only, but like he doesn't go sing songy very often.

[A]

He's like a rap rapper. Yeah, some rappers.

[B]

I love music more than anything. It's like really? Yes, because it. What we were saying truly just music's like purpose just to be moved by writing, lyricism, all those things, you know.

[A]

No, it's. It's so impactful and so powerful.

[B]

That's what all of those people, their. Their lyrics. Bieber is more vocals, I think, than lyricism.

[A]

And it's cool to go to a concert like mcr. I think I'm so sad about it because it's so cool to be in a place where like 50,000 people also feel the same way as you. Like you're all just like. I just feel like it's probably so spiritual. I'll be there like singing these same songs that mean so much to you in different ways. And it's like, damn.

[B]

Yeah. Nothing brings levity and brings people together the way music does. And I'm so passionate about it.

[A]

Too bad we have the same music taste. I'm like, we could go to so many shows together, but we could probably.

[B]

Find a lot of crossover. If you and I really sat and like listed our like favorite like artists or if you told me your favorite artist, I could probably tell you the ones I like.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I like love all music.

[A]

It's a lot of music. Musicals.

[B]

Lady Gaga works. I don't know if I also would like Ben Platt. I would see.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you just see him covering Addison Ray's Diet Pepsi? I thought that was he. Kelly Clarkson.

[A]

Okay, so you like. Yeah, he was at the Greek. Here, go. I saw him. I couldn't find anyone to go with. I had to call Jeremy. I was like. Because most has stay home with the kids and I was like. And I called my friend who's shout out, Jeremy Levin, but I couldn't find anyone to go with me. And because everyone's like, no thank you. Ben Pot's amazing. And he like sold out the Greek. But like not of my people want to. I don't have very.

[B]

I also like enjoy attending concerts even if I don't know. Cuz I think sometimes like seeing someone live can put you on to something. So I'm so like.

[A]

I was like that with Mariah Carey. I actually didn't know like any of her songs were like didn't care. And then I saw her like work. I love her.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

I think she was singing to me. She was like.

[B]

I got like, swayed on JLo because I went to the American Music Awards and not that she hasn't done so much iconic stuff, but like, seeing her live, her dancing live, and people didn't like. Like it. Like the performance of the ama.

[A]

Yeah, that was a little. I mean, on tv, it was wild. But me in person, it was magical.

[B]

Yes, it was. It really was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

See, people live will make a difference.

[B]

If you ever need a concert goer, I will go with.

[A]

Yeah, okay. Once I can go to concerts again.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I don't know when I'm out of.

[B]

Concert jail, but I'm seeing the phrase soon. I'm so excited. What's. What is the one that land of Barker does Look after you City spins around found. Are you talking about the Frey or Landon Barker?

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Landon Barker blew up the phrase song look after you. But the phrase biggest song is how to save a life.

[A]

He was the one that like. And then you found me. Yeah, yeah. What is that? Where is that? What is that?

[B]

Which is what?

[A]

The Fray.

[B]

The Fray. They're a boy band. Oh, kinda. They're not a boy band. I don't know why I read it like that. They're a band of boys who make some same. And I. Yeah, the OG like 2000s.

[A]

Old.

[B]

Older. Yeah, like, not like old, but like 2005, 2006.

[A]

Okay. Like, simple Plan.

[B]

Or like, their songs were on the radio. They were on the. Now that's what I call music CDs.

[A]

Where are they playing? Like, what kind of venues are they at? Okay, Kia.

[B]

Oh, they're playing the Forum. Yeah. Because it was such a time Cam. Everyone's playing the Forum but us.

[A]

Well, they are like Katy Perry in the Fray. We're almost there. We're almost there. Please call Bob Dylan and Gerard. Way to come. Maybe they'll do a duet with us.

[B]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'd do anything. Yeah.

[A]

They both are similar, though. They're very. Both like, artsy and serious and, you know, keep a distance from their face for a reason. Obviously.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Bob Dylan seems more of it. Gerard was very nice, but he is.

[B]

That's definitely a part of his lore. Is like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I bet.

[A]

I guess there's something kind of cool about that, that kind of keeping like a little distance.

[B]

And the mystery, truly the mystery.

[A]

I get that.

[B]

Like, even just like Timothy Chalamet made this whole movie about him and all he did was like, tweet about it.

[A]

He didn't meet Him?

[B]

No.

[A]

And what Timothy Chalamet say about it was like, oh, I'm disappointed or I'm sad or he said nothing about it.

[B]

He said it was like still an honor that he even acknowledged it at all. Like, I think that Bob. I mean he literally won a Nobel Peace Prize and like didn't like, you know, like we're very, very like. I get. Trust me, I'm not trying to sway people on. I think he's done a lot of things that are very polarizing.

[C]

I guess this is mostly for Tana. When you were drinking heavily, did you ever feel like you just had the best ideas and you were like delusionally, like positive about any aspirations you had, but obviously none of them ever got done. Or maybe some of them did because you're you. But anyways, yeah, that's my question.

[B]

I feel like we can both talk about that though. Like some. We could make it to substances, you know, like. Yeah, yeah, that's like, like mine all got done and they were all public and so stupid. Dizzy wine was a product of alcoholism. Like so many.

[A]

That's pretty good though. So it actually like manifested in some ways.

[B]

How can I get paid to get drunk?

[A]

That is actually.

[B]

Was it good?

[A]

I never had to try it.

[B]

I liked it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The can was this big though, right? And four cans equated to a full bottle of wine. So it was very small, strong.

[A]

Whoa. And. And you picked that on purpose, like the. The model of it all? Yes, just to get drunk as. And the.

[B]

And the girlies, like I was like get drunk with me. But like it was whenever we had events, people.

[A]

Wait, how old were you?

[B]

I was 23. 22.

[A]

Oh, that's so weird. Cuz back in the day probably changed. But I remember girls next door. Kendra could not advertise Captain Morgan because she wasn't 25. Because you had to be 25 to advertise alcohol back then. So it's like changed now. So you can be under 24 because you couldn't even like promote alcohol. Like they wouldn't even like let you in an alcohol commercial.

[B]

But Lord knows if I was following.

[A]

The law, like guess maybe if it's your own. I mean you're 21, so it's legal. But I wonder if that changed. I mean that's crazy. I have like a 23 year old being like get. I mean I love it. It's your brand.

[B]

But like that is so my brand at the time. But yes, I had a lot of drunk ideas that definitely came and lots of drunk planning And I much prefer doing it sober. I can't lie to you, you know, you really think things through, you know?

[A]

But alcohol, like, drinking alcohol, it seems scarier than, like, doing hardcore. Like, you know what I mean? Because it's just, like. It's, like, legal, and, like, you kind of are just. You. You can just keep going. Basically, I feel like it's harder to find and, like, it's just like. It's. It's an event. It's like you have to, you know, scour for and, like, a lot of.

[B]

Make you, like, shut up or be recluse or, like. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, take you to another level. You're. I was always in my house doing. I was always inside. I was always just like.

[B]

Did you ever get ideas like that, Tell me me if.

[A]

Yeah, well, maybe nothing. That was, like, per. No. Honestly, no. I just thought I was gonna die every time. This is it. And I remember. I remember just being like, we're about to die. Like, I would just say it to, like, there was only one binge that was, like a month long. That was just 24 hours a day. It's like, we're gonna die soon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, yeah, we're gonna die together. I was like, love it.

[B]

And how crazy that, like, you made it. That was me.

[A]

I've definitely been there in the background. Like, we're going, like, emo at 31. Just like, okay, get it together. Yeah.

[B]

No, but that's. That's really, really real. How cool that we got to make it out of those places of life where we either thought we were gonna die or maybe should have died for sure, you know?

[A]

Yeah. That I don't even know. Especially now with, like, having and stuff. I'm like, damn. I never. I never wanted. I've been very depressed and I've hated my life, but I never was like, I want to die right now. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it was. Anyway, what was the question? Oh, if there's anything productive. No, I mean, there was. Was no plan. I was never good on. I never. That's why I never became, like, an addict, because I was like, I would do it with other people because I was trying to be cool, but, like, I was.

[B]

Yeah. More addicted to them, if anything.

[A]

Yeah. Like, love me, choose me. Like, let me make a whole band so you can be in it with me. You know what I mean? It was that. Yeah. And then alcohol. Never, like, the taste, but I like the idea of getting drunk because, again, it seemed a lot easier. And it Seemed a little safer.

[B]

Yes. 100. And it's like, that's what I convinced myself for so long. At least me, like, personally that. But that's just me personally. I'm an alcoholic. You know what I mean? Like, so many people.

[A]

Would you consider yourself alcoholic?

[B]

Honestly? Yeah.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Because I think that if you cannot have one drink or, like, just have a couple drinks or, like, possess any moderation or you feel like you need it. You know what I mean? Like, you. Or you're, like, yearning for it, addicted to it, like. Yeah.

[A]

And you never had to go to, like, a meeting. You just stopped. Cold turkey.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Which I mean, like, I know does not work for everyone, and I never want to be the poster child for that. And it can be very unsafe, depending on how dependent you are. Alcohol is one of the few things where withdrawals can kill you.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

And it is just crazy. But, yes. I mean, the pipe dreams, the alcohol dreams, the things, like, just all of those things. I mean, you saw a lot of them. I wonder if even Tanacon would have been the same if I was like, no, I was just an idiot. Actually, I wasn't even that drunk. Like, just an idiot. But, like, still, I don't know with it.

[A]

Like I always say in the documentaries, like, you always seem like, yeah, I wasn't.

[B]

Like, that wasn't my. I didn't. I wasn't an actual. An addict yet. Like, I think that things like that really snowball, too. You know what I mean? Sometimes for people.

[A]

Yeah. I guess it's cool if people can be productive on it, but me, I can never.

[B]

Yeah. And some people are much more, like, functioning more. Also can possess moderation and all of those things. For me, it really snowballed, though. Like, you know what I mean? At first it was like, oh, a couple times a week or I'm having fun or I don't need. Like. And then in the end, I was like, oh, I need this. And that's, like, what's scary on it. That's scary for sure.

[A]

You. How long have you been told?

[B]

Or now almost a year. September 21st will be a year.

[A]

That's so exciting. Friday is a big deal. That's so exciting.

[B]

I know, it's. It's really great, but that's. I wonder why she asked that. Like, I have so many other questions for her. We should do a telethon.

[A]

Why did you ask?

[B]

Yeah, like, you know, like, if you're going through it or anything, I would love to give you advice or. And you Know what I mean? Sometimes even like there have been times in my life where you take them when you have a revelation or people who drink in moderation. Sometimes you have a drink and you relax and suddenly your mind is open. New ideas and. You know what I mean? Or like for me it's more. I have more ideas when I smoke. That's where it makes me creative. Where I can kind of like think even that like elf tick tock from Makoa. I think I was just. And I was like, this would be funny.

[A]

It was so good. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Smoking is like that for a lot of people. Like provide some creativity and clarity and that kind of stuff.

[B]

And that I can be pretty moderate with which I think is good. And just. I don't make stupid decisions.

[A]

That's the big part.

[B]

Because it makes me kind of overthink too. Like if I'm. I'm like, that'd be embarrassing if I did that.

[A]

Wait, really?

[B]

Yeah. Whereas like alcohol is like. Nothing is embarrassing.

[A]

Yeah. Good and bad, I guess. Cuz alcohol can give you that. Liquid courage. But then sometimes you. Too much of it.

[B]

But my liquid courage turned into like liquid. Yes. Literally. Not literally. Not Swans. What did you say? Tyranny. True tyranny. You're so right. My Chemical Romance. Bob Dylan, baby boy.

[A]

That's a tour? Yeah. Alice Cooper just opened for My Chemical Horrors. I guess Bob. I don't know who's more popular. Maybe Bob Dylan's more popular. I have no idea.

[B]

Yeah. Kind of different though. Kind of different music. Right. Because MCR is specifically alternative. Right?

[A]

Yeah. Is it? I guess I consider poppy. Okay.

[B]

How about rock?

[A]

I think Michael Morgan's kind of poppy.

[B]

Helena used to scare me because I was like, that's too rock for me.

[A]

I mean, because they were like at.

[B]

A funeral I'm about to listen to.

[A]

It's poppy. I think it's poppy.

[B]

Teenagers. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, teenagers, puppy.

[B]

I'm about to listen to MCR's entire discography so that next time I'm so serious so that we can talk about specific songs. You said cancer, so I would listen.

[A]

Black Parade, start to finish. It's a story. The album is like a whole story. There's like a whole story. And that's the tour they're on now. They're on this Black Parade tour where they're the band, the Black Parade. They're not My Chemical Romance until the second act. And then there are the Black Parade. So it's like a whole. Like a story to it. There's like, lore to it. And specifically, it goes in the order of, like, a story they're telling teenagers. Kind of doesn't really fit in there, but okay, perfect.

[B]

And if you have any other, like, niche songs that are on different projects.

[A]

Or whatever, tell me Helena is, like, one of the big ones and that. Okay, I'll send it to you. Send me some Bob Dylan. I'll listen to that too. Send me Bob Dylan. You're gonna wait in? No, but I'll keep an open mind to it. But I will send you my top, like, four, five, like my chemical romance and see what you say. And then, like. But I really do want you to send me. Or for real.

[B]

I'm gonna try to think of what Bob Dylan songs could, like, get you going. Like what? Like what you could possibly like, and I'll get there.

[A]

No, I know. And little Wayne too, because I feel like I do remember him, but I don't remember his songs.

[B]

So.

[A]

Like, those two. Bob Dylan too. I'm. I want you. Music is easier than, like, a movie. Like, saying not to watch a movie. Like, music I can listen to, watching video.

[B]

Adele is.

[A]

Oh, you love Adele. You have a lot.

[B]

Yes, I do. I do have a lot.

[A]

Send me your top, like, five that I should listen to. I'll send you top five.

[B]

MC Adele is like, the greatest heartbreak love songs of all time, truly.

[A]

Really? I didn't know that.

[B]

Of all time.

[A]

Oh, I think of her as like a Whitney Houston, just like.

[B]

Ah, yes. Vocalist. But, like, her writing, too is like. Oh, my goodness. Yes. Okay. Like, wow. So many.

[A]

I love that song.

[B]

You need to listen to hello by Adele, which you've obviously heard hello, it's me. But you need to listen to it. I'm always talking about this, but I promise I'll stop after I tell you this.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Adele wrote the song hello as a letter to her younger self, and it's all like, hello, it's me. Hello from the other side. It's like she wrote it as a letter to, like. Like, we made it out, essentially. And you need. I have chills again thinking about it. You need to listen to hello by Adele with. With the mindset that this is her writing to her younger son.

[A]

Okay. That's kind of cute. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I love Adel.

[B]

I know. She's everything.

[A]

Love her.

[B]

We love her so much.

[A]

Okay, well, we love you guys. Like, what was this episode? I don't know. We don't know. But how's your stomach? Getting better.

[B]

My stomach is getting better. We're in our pajamas. And just yapping. And we love you guys so much.

[A]

Get in the next one. Go to not love [e-mail].

[B]

We'Re about to get spicy and weird. We love you.

[A]

Bye.