NICK VIALL MUST BE STOPPED!! + TOXIC AGE GAP RELATIONSHIPS | NOT LOVELINE Ep 65

Summary

Podcast Summary: Not Loveline Ep 65

NICK VIALL MUST BE STOPPED!! + TOXIC AGE GAP RELATIONSHIPS

Hosts: Tana Mongeau & Trisha Paytas
Date: April 6, 2026
Podcast Theme: Casual, real, and comedic discussions about love, dating, sex, and internet/pop-culture drama, from two “not-experts” who’ve lived a LOT.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on internet personality Nick Viall’s new dating show—especially its focus on extreme age-gap relationships—sparking a frank and nuanced exploration of "toxic" age-gap dating, exploitation in reality TV, personal stories of dating older men, and the long-term mental, emotional, and financial fallout that can come from naïveté and manipulation. The hosts also detour into current reality TV drama (notably, the Mormon Wives and Taylor Frankie Paul situations), reflect on their own growth, friendships, and writing books about their wild life stories, and finish the episode with heartfelt camaraderie and lighthearted dating advice.

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Key Discussion Points and Moments

1. Comfort, Friendship, and Vegas Excitement

• The hosts start by celebrating how much more relaxed and open they are filming in Trisha’s house—in pajamas rather than uncomfortable outfits (01:28).
• Plans for their live show in Las Vegas are mentioned several times, with lots of mutual support and excitement (01:07, 49:51, 54:22).

2. Sex Talk, Relationships, and Breaking Old Ruts

• Trisha candidly admits to a big personal milestone: finally being "on top" during sex, after years of aversion and insecurity (05:00).

  “It's been four years since I've been on top. I'm gonna go on top. And I did. And I was so skinny.” —Trisha (05:00)

• Both discuss how mental blocks make “the thing” seem bigger than it is, and once you do it, it’s often empowering, not scary (06:38, 07:10).
• They repeatedly refer to their "Patreon" as the NSFW space for graphic details and real talk.

3. Nick Viall’s Show & Age-Gap Dating (Main Theme)

• Tana and Trisha dissect Nick Viall’s new reality show “Age of Attraction,” where much older men are paired with very young women (07:31–14:53).
  • Tana: “I'm really happy that it's not like 70-year-old men and 19... but it's close.” (08:17)
  • Trisha: “23 and 60 was one [pairing]... To me, it's just gross. I don't care how great you look or how much sex drive you have. Like, it just... you have zero in common.” (08:56)
• They slam the show's premise and what they see as predatory, manipulative behavior, especially when older men claim younger women “pursued” them (14:01).
• Both raise concerns about power imbalances, manipulation, and developmental differences (i.e., “frontal lobe not developed”) in such relationships (15:34–16:16).
• Tana’s advice: Even small age gaps (like 4 years) can result in mismatched values/perspectives if under 25:

  “Don't be surprised if the way you two look at the world... ends up later in your relationship really showing how different it is.” (15:49)

• Trisha shares personal stories from her upcoming book involving dating much older men in her late teens—exposing the lasting impact of being “naive and taken advantage of” (16:16–18:53).
• Both urge younger listeners not to ignore red flags and caution against believing love means “fixing” someone or accepting big unbalanced compromises.

4. Reality TV & The Ethics of Exploitation

• Discussion branches into reality TV’s tendency to exploit unstable or damaged people for drama & ratings—referencing Mormon Wives/Taylor Frankie Paul, and how production halted due to new domestic violence allegations (23:11–26:21).
• Tana:

  “People should be doing much deeper sanity checks on people before putting them on reality television.” (25:03)

• Both critique the way reality TV can amplify dysfunction, encourage exploitation, or normalize toxic behavior for “good TV” (26:32–29:04).
• They wistfully reminisce about “sillier” old-school reality TV and how current shows seem more dangerous and damaging (29:04–29:22).

5. Parasocial Attachments, Online Fandoms, and Safety

• The Kiki Palmer on-stage proposal incident sparks discussion about the risks of fame, stalkers, and the lack of adequate security at public events (34:27–37:46).
  • Tana shares her own near-miss with a stage charger and the importance of hiring personal security, not relying on venue staff (36:04).
  • “The paranoia, like, once you have something like that happen once, it plagues you...” —Tana (42:45)
• Trisha talks about the blurry line between parasocial love (as a fan) and delusional obsession, especially when mental illness is at play (38:50–40:00).

6. Cycle of Abuse, Childhood Trauma, and Breaking Patterns

• Both hosts reflect deeply on how absent or flawed parenting shaped their desperate search for love, validation, and risky relationships (56:02–57:20).
  • “I thought that love wasn't love if I didn't have to fix it. I innately looked for, like, broken environments.” —Tana (56:56)
  • Trisha recognizes how “one pivotal moment” and Tana’s support helped her escape toxic patterns, though at a cost for both (57:20–58:06).
• Both hope to model and provide advice so that “the 23-year-old girl watching this” doesn’t repeat their mistakes (79:07).

7. Mental Health, Therapy, and Personal Growth

• There’s extended talk about the value (and cost/barriers) of therapy, acknowledging financial stress can destroy relationships, the difficulty of self-awareness, and the importance of getting help—mixed in with sponsor reads for BetterHelp (19:15–21:41).
• Both express gratitude for their friendship and growth, referencing their memoir writing journeys and newfound ability to analyze the past through older, wiser eyes (51:35–53:33).

8. Taking Breaks, Healing, and the Comeback

• Tana makes a passionate plea for normalizing public figures/readers taking healing breaks, so the “comeback can be greater” (32:11–34:08).
• There's encouragement for anyone feeling “addicted to the internet” to step back and invest in real healing, rather than performative self-destruction for clicks (32:52).

9. Dating, Fun, and Lighthearted Life Advice

• Caller submits a creative date idea: drawing tattoos with washable marker on a partner’s back, leading to more creative “stay in” date ideas from Tana and Trisha (71:17–75:08).
• Tana warns young listeners:

  “If your frontal lobe is not developed, really think about your tattoos.” (73:35)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

On Age-Gap Relationships and Manipulation

• “There might be something wrong with you that you got stuck in time, because it's like, what do you mean? There is someone truly for everyone that's age appropriate.”
  —Trisha (09:58)
• “You're 23, but you believe that nothing has worked out for you and that this is your only way to find love. That's already such an imbalance.”
  —Tana (14:32)
• “You have naivety at that age where you [believe] people's words... Actions are what mean.”
  —Tana (17:35)

On Reality TV Exploiting Trauma

• “People should be doing much deeper sanity checks... just because it makes great television, it's so sad to me.”
  —Tana (25:03)
• “At the cost of what? A good show?”
  —Tana (25:59)

On Trauma, Therapy & Growth

• “You were, like, naive and taken advantage of... My brain will go to, 'How did I not see that I was being manipulated?'... But you couldn't.”
  —Tana (18:53)
• “The comeback is even greater. That's why I always wish I could take a break...”
  —Trisha (34:08)

On Friendship, Restorative Support & Breaking the Cycle

• “Everything we went through, we can use them to help all the girlies out there.”
  —Tana (79:07)
• “I thought that love wasn't love if I didn’t have to fix it.”
  —Tana (56:56)

On Creative Dating & Frontal Lobes

• “I’m definitely always telling people, like, if your frontal lobe is not developed, really think about your tattoos...”
  —Tana (73:35)

On Manifestation, Support, and Evolving Together

• “What you think... will come true. Like, it's crazy, or what you talk about.”
  —Trisha, on the “Trisha Effect” and manifesting dreams (49:51)
• “Our friendship is... the type of thing to make me believe in the universe.”
  —Tana (53:11)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |:----------:|:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:28 | Hosts talk comfort, filming at home, and upcoming Vegas show | | 05:00 | Trisha’s personal sexual breakthrough, “getting on top” for the first time in years | | 07:31 | Tana brings up Nick Viall’s show; deep dive into age-gap relationship ethics | | 08:56 | Discussion of a 23-year-old dating a 60-year-old on TV show | | 14:01 | Critique of older partners putting blame on younger ones for “pursuing” them | | 15:34 | Brain development, power imbalances, and how young adults process manipulation | | 16:16-18:53| Trisha’s memoir sneak peek: dating older men at 17-18, consequences and regrets | | 23:11 | Mormon Wives/Taylor Frankie Paul breakdown – production-halting domestic drama | | 25:03 | Ethics of screening reality TV stars, questions of moral responsibility | | 34:27 | Kiki Palmer stage incident & parasocial relationships | | 38:50 | Discussion of parasociality, delusional fandom, mental health | | 56:02 | Absent fathers, childhood trauma, and search for love/validation | | 79:07 | Delivering advice and purpose to younger listeners | | 71:17–75:08| Listener call: creative date ideas (markers/tattoos), hosts riff on crafty dating |

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Episode Tone and Language

This episode, like the show generally, is warm, bawdy, candid, and self-aware. The hosts veer between laughter, self-deprecating jokes, raw confessions, and genuine empathy for listeners—especially those younger than them who might be in emotionally dangerous territory. They use language that is conversational and occasionally explicit, but always infused with humor and a sense of “girl’s girl” solidarity.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a masterclass in balancing humor with heartfelt commentary on life’s messiest pieces—specifically, how people (especially young women) can get swept into unhealthy power dynamics, how reality TV loves to exploit the unwell, and why it’s important to talk openly about trauma, therapy, and real support systems. Tana and Trisha’s banter provides comfort, perspective, and a sense of kinship—reminding all that mistakes can become lessons, and that both laughter and sincerity are essential in working through the wild world of love, fame, and the internet.

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Call to Action:
Get tickets for “Tana and Trish Take Las Vegas,” June 12th at The Cosmopolitan, and check out their Patreon for even steamier stories and behind-the-scenes support. And, as always, don’t date men who could be your dad.

Transcript

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[Tana Mongeau]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Tana Mongeau]

I almost feel like my vibes are like, I vibrate lower when I'm uncomfortable. Like, just when it comes to who I am. Because when I'm physically uncomfortable. And the last episode we shot, I'm like so excited to talk about our Vegas show. But I'm like, there's beads on my nipple ring. Like mine shocking me.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, oh yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

And like I'm sitting on them and I'm feeling this imprint and I'm like, and now we're like so comfy and in pajamas and I'm just like in a happy mood. I always sing in color again.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like, but I know I went up for 10 minutes, was like, can you help real quick. And I thought something with the kids. And then he was doing his first sponsored post for his sauce for like spaghetti sauce. So he like this big plate of spaghetti, even though I had to just see in the air one. But it was really good. I was like, and it wasn't even because I I didn't know completely what it's for. I knew it was for like sauce, but I didn't know. It was like a whole recipe he followed because it was like lemony and, like, fun. I was like, wow, this is really good. Actually, it didn't feel like I was like, thought like, I'm like, any left? He's like, should I have it?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was the tin fish one, which maybe you wouldn't like, but it was good. It was like, lemony and tuna e. And it was really good. Do you want some? I could have him bring him a bowl.

[Tana Mongeau]

Some.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Okay, let me. Because he was ask. He was kind of excited, but I was kind of like, well, maybe. Obviously, like, just for funsy. Okay, let me see.

[Tana Mongeau]

Amari. I love. My favorite thing about Amare when he's here is he has now become a master of, like, the drinks and snacks down here. Like, people are walking in today, and Amare's going, would you like anything from the drink fridge? And, like, Amari knows everything that's in the drink fridge down here. And, like, people like, there's a drink fridge. And Amari's like, come this way. We have Bloom Shirley Temple, like, yeah, the way you know Trisha's house, like, inside and out. And what's in that fridge?

[Trisha Paytas]

You're the only one who does the fridge. And also all the liquid death I always gave you, I'm always like, oh, like, I know. I love that you're the. No, you know everything. What is that, like, meme? Everyone says, like, not my house, but I know my way around. It's, like, around here, you know, you're like, would you like a beverage? Which is good. I'm not like that. I forget to offer people anything.

[Tana Mongeau]

Me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, well, like, just say whatever. But, yeah, I was, like, really excited, too. But speaking of comfortability, very Taylor, Frankie Paul. Do you watch Mormon Wives?

[Tana Mongeau]

That's so funny, because I was just in the bathroom. And also, I will just say, I know I love it here so much because I changed the toilet paper roll and I was like, sometimes at my house, I will just be lazy and, like, do it later, which is not a good habit at all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where do you put the toilet paper?

[Tana Mongeau]

Like, I put the. Like, the roll was empty, so I just took it off and I, like, grabbed a new one and I put it on also. You know how, you know, you have, like, this how money look like, you know that you're in a bougie house when someone has, like, 50 rolls. Like, you have so many rolls.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm always. I've always been like that. Even when I made no money, I've had, like, always a thousand rolls of toilet paper. I was thinking when like, run out. My fear was always is like, why would never have the money to buy toilet paper? So I was always buying toilet paper. So I do have an exorbitant amount, but I have, like, thousands, which is ironic because Moses is ever used to it that we're not. Once.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, he's a bidet king. And the way I know that we know everything about each other.

[Trisha Paytas]

Literally. Last time, after our last Patreon, I literally was like, I think you texted me at like 10:30. I was like, hey, girl, just got cracked. And I was like, why did I say that?

[Tana Mongeau]

But you and I were being so funny. I love our after dark, whenever we shoot Loveline till late in the night, we'll, like, text at night. And Trisha, obviously, like, she's not a late night girly. So when I get like, late night Trisha, I, like, live. And she. She was like, sorry, I was getting cracked. And I was like, love you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think you, like, why are you up? Or something that's like. Yeah, I was. It was something like, definitely I would never say to anybody. And I think we were talking about cracked and all that stuff like that in the Patreon. And I was, like, so excited because it actually was like weeks. I remember. I remember it was like weeks, which, like, the longest. And I was like, oh, my God, no, tonight I'm going to thank God for not loving because it was late. It was like 8 o' clock and it was like, late.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I was like, honestly, thank God for not love mine. In reference to just, like getting your back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it was helping, actually, because I said. And that episode, I literally was like, it's been four years since I've been on top. I'm gonna go on top. And I did. And I was so skinny.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you know what? The kids in bed and they're sleeping in their own room now. So, like, we were able. They were in bed early, so. And he kind of just like lays down and kind of. He's gonna come down because he's gonna bring the pasta for. Amari's gonna hear me say this, but whatever. But then I was like, he, like, laid down. I was like, oh, no, what is this? What is happening? And I was like, you know what? This is the time. He's like, just for a minute. And I was like. But that minute turned into like 15 minutes. I felt very proud of myself. I know, Patreon. But, like, you know, I had to say real quick. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Because if you follow our Patreon or if you don't We've had, we've had like a year long discourse about how you and I have come into this era of life where we're not necessarily. We're not tyro. We don't want to be on top. Okay. Like, it is not our immediate favorite thought. Like, we've talked about that so much on Patreon and then like that's all we have to really get into it

[Trisha Paytas]

on the Patreon because there was like so many like graphic details and I felt really just because it was also night time. We're always like in the middle of the day when kids are napping, like in a place to be as quiet as possible. And this was like finally like on our bed made a marble that's like so stable and not like flimsy.

[Tana Mongeau]

I'm gonna a little award.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know I need like, I'm so.

[Tana Mongeau]

Because I know you've been like wanting to do this thing. Like, you're like, I want to do this thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Felt very, I felt very. We were on a streak that week. It was like a couple times and then by the second time I was like, let's do it the other way because this is easier. But it was. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Now I have to research purposes for

[Trisha Paytas]

Patreon for the get together of it all.

[Tana Mongeau]

But like, if you did it, I have to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, it was kind of everything

[Tana Mongeau]

saying, I have to get on. It's like, I love Makoa. Just get out there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I felt, I felt like it was a chore, but I felt like it was the moment because we just talked about not Loveline. He was like, now I was like, this is my time.

[Tana Mongeau]

We talk about that on the Patreon a lot where like a lot of times just, even if someone calls us and they're like, I'm in a rut, like, like sometimes it is about with a partner and obviously with someone you want, you know. But I'm saying, like sometimes you push yourself to do the thing that you think you build up in your head so much and then you actually do it and you enjoy it and it's no big deal.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's how I felt. And I felt almost like really like, just like I felt skinnier the next day. I was like, wow, I really got my cardio in. Like, I just felt really good and I felt like I did something. I was like, wow, look at me being a wifey. You know what I mean? Like, I felt very like, I don't know, I wasn't that big a deal. I was like, whatever.

[Tana Mongeau]

But, no, but it's like sometimes you make something so much in your head that it then is that big of a deal to you because you're like, finally did that thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, I felt very good. But anyways, we're back here now. What were you talking about in the glam chair? And you're like, I have to tell you about something, but I want to save it for a not love line. And we forgot to say it last episode. And I was like thinking, like, what was it? You didn't tell me. You said it was something you were watching.

[Tana Mongeau]

I started Nick Viles show Age of a Attraction. I turn, I turn to McCall because we've been Gray's Anatomy down, we really aren't watching anything other than Gray's. And on nights where I have to be up early, I won't watch it because I know that I'll fail myself. So I'm kind of like, what else do we watch? Nothing else is appetizing. And I turn to McCo and I say, babe, I'm really sorry for what I'm about to put on, but I'm doing it as market research for Not Loveline. And either you can join me or you can watch YouTube shorts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, that was my preface to Moses too. I'm like, I have to watch this for purposes. I watched one episode. Did you watch all?

[Tana Mongeau]

No, no, no, I. I watched two.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. You got farther than me.

[Tana Mongeau]

It is painstakingly I got farther than you, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

I don't think it's as bad as I thought it would be, I guess in the regard that, like, I'm really happy that it's not like 70 year old men and 19. 20. 20. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Pretty close.

[Tana Mongeau]

Close. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

23 and 60 was one.

[Tana Mongeau]

The one. Oh, okay, wait, I wasn't making enough

[Trisha Paytas]

attention Then that girl was like, oh, I'm 23. He. I thought you were older. You're 60. And he's like, I'm 16. Like, oh, wait, he looked very good. I said this on Just Church.

[Tana Mongeau]

Like, he did look.

[Trisha Paytas]

He looked great for 60. Like, he looked great. I think that's why she was shook. But she was shook because she's like, that's my grandpa.

[Tana Mongeau]

I couldn't believe the. The one two where like, the guy was as young as her, like, son or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I was like, no, that's. To me, it's just gross. I don't care how great you look or how much sex drive you have. Like, it just. I just think you have zero in common with that person. And you Come on a show knowing that you're going to be in an age gap. And by the way, all the guys go with younger girls. No one goes with the older women. Like, the older women sometimes, whatever. No one goes for age appropriate people is what I'm saying. The older people don't go for the older people. All the women try, but the guys always go for the young girls. And then they act all shocked to be like, you're 23, that you were so much older. It's like, no, she looks like a baby. Like, if you're. I'm 38. Like, I look at someone like, who's like, really, Like a Connor, what's his name story. Yeah. Like they're babies. Like, they look. There's no way I'd ever be like, wow, they're so hot. Like you're a baby.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I think that a lot of the marketing for the show, like. Like they're marketing within the show. Like, I don't mean marketing for it, but like within it. Like a lot of their tagline. A lot of the people keep saying, this is like, well, I just couldn't find love any other way. And it's like, have you tried speed dating? Have you gone on a singles cruise? Have you. Like, this is not the solution.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you tried therapy? There might be something wrong with you that you got stuck in time. Because it's like, what do you mean? There is someone truly for everyone that's age appropriate. I don't. I would have been better if there's like 20 year old and maybe like. Or, I'm sorry, 40 year olds and like 60 years old. Like a 20 year age gap when you're older. But 23 and even the Nick Violet, all with Natalie Joy being 19 and 38 or 36, whatever he was like.

[Tana Mongeau]

And allegedly, allegedly did.

[Trisha Paytas]

The whispering's crazy.

[Tana Mongeau]

I'd spill into a microphone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it this? Is it this?

[Tana Mongeau]

Well, but I. It's so hard.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so hard being me, knowing everyone.

[Tana Mongeau]

I have like la. Like I have tea, I gather in la and I have tea, I gather from the Internet. And I never know what's public knowledge or not. So I'm just gonna shut up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, what is public knowledge? In an interview lately, he was saying that Harry Jowsey.

[Tana Mongeau]

Jimmy still believe it, but Harry Jowsey did the dirty work.

[Trisha Paytas]

What did he say? What did Harry. Josie say? He's always seen of the crime, the Mormon wife scandal. Taylor, who is the voice of reason? Harry Jowsey. He's like, I just came. I Showed up and they were yelling and no one was drunk. And then I was like, let's do an egg race. They kept yelling, so I'm like, I probably leave. I was like, how are you? At the scene of the crime of every single thing that's ever happened. Like, it's so insane. What did. Oh, there's the. This is the tin fish pasta. You were so where I was telling him about it. It's.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He is, like, so excited.

[Tana Mongeau]

You're literally the best.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, there was a bunch. I told. I said he offered it to everyone, but there was a bunch up there. But anyways, I'm not a fish girl,

[Tana Mongeau]

so I'm excited to hear your review because I know Moses slayed it. Moses is actually like the bear. Like that show. Like, he's just chefing up always and bringing stuff down.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it's so funny because it is actually so easy for him to. Why we should just do the pasta. To me, it's like, I'm planning a pasta, but we should just do it while we're here. Be like, okay, there's. Because he makes a big batch and there was a big batch of this up there. And he's like, do you think they want it? And I was just like, I don't know. It's so like sleepover vibes where it's like, I love his stuff, but I'm like, I don't know if they all want it and maybe they're on diets and we just ate and I don't know.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Tana Mongeau]

But we all. Devin might be on a diet. Devin loves a diet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

But other than that, we're big back in it. All the way.

[Trisha Paytas]

Good. And it's a subtle. It's a subtle tuna. I'm recently in my tin fish era because I did a video with him for our Patreon night.

[Tana Mongeau]

I think that's really cute too.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's not bad. And this is actually good. This was good because it had a little, like, lemon with it too. And the sauce.

[Tana Mongeau]

I do love lemon on a pasta.

[Trisha Paytas]

We'll just do it next time. Just. We'll just do it.

[Tana Mongeau]

I would love that. Yeah, I would. Absolutely. I've been like. I've. How much I've heard about Moses pasta, I've never had.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because usually we have the cutoff at 7:30, but if we do a cut off at like 6:30, we can all just like go up there and that's our cut off. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I need to venture upstairs anyways. I've been needing to. I want to see the new.

[Trisha Paytas]

So organized. Yeah, it's so organized up there. Yes, yes, yes. We'll do it. We'll do a little tour because she's actually coming back next week, our organizer to do all of this down here. Because it's like a little crazy. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

So fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've been feeling open.

[Tana Mongeau]

It's so. Because with Buster now too, I can't. I'm a big piles girl. I love piles of things and it's my type B organization. Like, I'm like, I know what this pile is. I know what this pile is. I know what everything is. And I almost don't necessarily like having anyone else clean them because then things get put away wrong and then I'm missing things. But I knew it was in my little pile.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And. But now with Buster, I can't just like have a beaded shoe on the ground because he's like, how fun is this toy?

[Trisha Paytas]

So momhood. That's how I feel with the kids too. I'm like, oh, they can't put anything in their mouth. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. So I've just been in like deep organization mode. But anyway, anyways, back to Harry. Jazzy of attraction.

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[Tana Mongeau]

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[Trisha Paytas]

I do remember this. I do. I think this was my I hate Harry face. So I was like, well, whatever. But this was before I knew how awful Nick Vile was. Like, Harry is like, like peaches and cream to me. Compared to like, I don't, I don't even know why I've ever like disliked Harry. I guess because it's like player ways. Obviously people change, whatever. But compared to Nick Vile, it's like literally being like St. Christopher and like the devil himself. You know what I mean? I was like, oh, Harry. And Harry's grown on me lately with like the Mormon wives and this.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, his last name is Vile.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so fitting that show. Even the comment, oh, as I saying, the interview he did with her was like, you know, she pursued me and I didn't want to. I was a little more hesitant. Like, yeah. I was like, I hate when the older person tries to put like, oh, the younger person wanted this. The younger person is like, the younger person's not developed. Like she does not know what she wants. Like, and I'm glad it worked out for them. Like, a lot of people should. They have kids on. Like, I'm glad it, like, worked out for them, but, like, it doesn't for most people. And even the people it does, it's super, like, toxic, you know, because there is that, like, power imbalance. Courtney Stone talks about it all the time. Like, anyone who's been through it just know.

[Tana Mongeau]

And you're like, just. Especially these girls on this show, right? Because they're 23, but they believe that nothing has worked out for them and that this is their, like, only way to find love. That's already such an imbalance, you know, where it's like, no one's gonna love you. Like, you know, I don't know. I just. I want to finish the show. I really do.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're stronger than me.

[Tana Mongeau]

I know. It's like, it's hard.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, like, bros and disingenuous. And the older people, I flip it on there. The older people be like, this is my, like, last shot. I can't make it work. It's like, there, there's a reason. There's a reason. Because literally everybody has. Mama June has had two husbands. Everybody has a soulmate. Like, everybody has someone that they're gonna connect with. With. You're the weird one. You're the weird one that you're trying with a 23 year old. Like, wow, you're so mature for your age. It's like, no, you're not. And the fact that even Natalie Joy, like, I don't want to come for her. Like, I'm all about women, motherhood, all stuff like that. But, like, even her, she's like, she'll be on the podcast and just, like, make fun of someone's hair. They had a guest and, like, you look like a 1950s housewife with that hair. Like, it was just so weird. And I was like, do you see the immaturity? Like, she is like 20. What is she, 24 or something? Like, she's young. 23. So it's like, she's young, of course. Like, whatever.

[Tana Mongeau]

Pray for that frontal lobe to come in hard.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

Deep. That's a crazy thing too, to like, like, do so much just before your frontal lobe. I did, I did, obviously. But then it resulted in, like, trauma.

[Trisha Paytas]

Trauma. Yeah, trauma forever. Trauma for life. And. Yeah, like, right.

[Tana Mongeau]

I try to tell my friends that even. Even if I have a friend who's 28 and they're. They want to date a 24 year old, I'm like, there Is nothing wrong with that. But don't be surprised if the way that you two look at the world even in that 27 and 24, 27 and 23, don't be surprised if the way that you look at the world ends up later in your relationship. Really showing how different it is. Because I think that everyone has a switch when their frontal lobe develops 100.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do think it's a big difference. And sometimes it's even past that. Like you obviously grow very quickly and stuff like that. It's like a little different. But like some people like 30, you know what I mean? Sometimes it takes them. You really are who you are. Yeah. Past 25, I think. But like really like 30 even. I think when you're in an age gap, I think you. I think 30 should be the minimum for like a 15 year age gap. You know what I mean? Or 20 year age gap. Then even then, 30, 50. Do you have anything common? No, but you're 30, so whatever. You know what I mean? So I think it's. I think there's that. I know writing my, writing the book, I announced it by the time this comes out. So I writing the book, I go through all my age gap relationships. And every time I'm always dating. At 17, I'm dating a 50 year old. At 18, I'm dating a 55 year old. And it's like I want to leave the names in the book so bad because they are public figures. But I don't know, it hasn't gone through legal yet. So we'll see what they say. They might make me change the name.

[Tana Mongeau]

That's so interesting because I'm also writing mine with all real names. Like I'm intrigued. Very to. It's to me, it's like I don't want to call this person Rob. Everyone's gonna know who it is anyhow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, it's like, yeah, just very descriptive. I know. And I was like, well, people kind of know this whatever. And I don't feel like I don't go that in. It's just more of like how crazy reading back the life I lived with them, how crazy I was even though I was young. So obviously I didn't know, but I really thought they were gonna marry me and have kids. Meanwhile being like, he only saw me every Tuesday, on the first Tuesday of every month. And like never called me, never took me. And I'm like. But the way he was telling me, like, I'm good, you're gonna have my baby and I'm gonna this inside of you.

[Tana Mongeau]

And you have naivety at that age where you people's words, you. I. I think that's one thing that you really garner as you get older is understanding that words really don't meet. Like, actions are what mean. Like, consistency are what mean. Like, if their words don't match up with their actions, confusion is the answer.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Trisha Paytas]

But baby, like, you believe it.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he's like, we're gonna get a place together. Like, I literally bought my. Or not bought. I rented my. This mansion in Hollywood for, like, 20,000amonth. I put $150,000 down for rental.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because he's like, we're gonna move in together. And then when I have my Halloween party, I find out he has, like, a whole girlfriend that he, like, lives with. And then just like, I wasted my entire savings thinking we're gonna, like, move in together, do all this stuff. And it's like, why? Because of his words. The actions reflected, obviously.

[Tana Mongeau]

And as you get older, you, like, you learn that by scenarios like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Or you just learn it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Three years of my life, all these financial resources, me flying to see him. He's not flying me out, anything. And it's just. Yeah. You look back and look, God, I'm so stupid. But I'm also like, well, a cautionary tale, I guess. I was 22. You know what I mean?

[Tana Mongeau]

It's not stupid. You were, like, naive and taken advantage of. And that. That is. I look at me too so much of my life like that, where I'm just like, oh, my God, like, you. You almost. It's like my brain will go to, like, how did I not see that I was being manipulated? How did I not see that I was being groomed in this scenario? How did I not see that I was being mistreated here? How did I not say I was being lied to? But it's like, also at the same time, like, you couldn't.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Tana Mongeau]

And honestly, just piggybacking on that, it is so true. So many of the causes of stress in my early years had to do with finances. And then I ended up having to kind of work through my relationship with that in therapy later in life. And I'm always just going to tell people that it's the most helpful thing. You know, getting therapy is not admitting weakness, it is, you know, being strong and Better Help is here to help.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Tana Mongeau]

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[Tana Mongeau]

Thank you so much to Better Help for sponsoring today's episode of Not Loveline. We love you because you were so young.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're so young. And some of those relationships ended like my one when I was 18. He would be like, what did you think? Like what? Like you like at the end of it, he's like, oh my God, what did you think?

[Tana Mongeau]

So what did you think? It's like, you tell me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, that's what I like you said. And that's why it makes you go crazy. And it really is just like a thing. So, yeah, you probably get the same thing. Like reading back your own life. You do kind of think, like. And so I often say in the book, yes, I know this seems so stupid, but like, at the time, like, this is what I believed and thought because you are so young. And young equals stupid sometimes because you're just not fully there. You just don't fully know. You're not the awareness. You don't know. You get jaded later on in life. So that's why this again, this age gap of 60 and 23, you have the jaded people who are like, what? And then the 23 year olds who don't know anything.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I just don't. Like, like these Netflix shows starting to like, like leaning to exploitation. Like, I live for love is blind. I live for like, because even love is blind, you're kind of exploiting people. But it's like more harmless, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. They're looking for the same thing. They're all the same age in the same area. Like, yeah, yeah. Like, it's just like, definitely. Well, that's why I was going with Mormon Y is the. Have you kept up with any of the recent. They.

[Tana Mongeau]

No. I tried to get into Mormon wives and I just didn't. I. I did get into Taylor Prank. Hello, Taylor. Frankie Paul. A little bit. Like, I understood. I was watching her scenes. She was more captivating. Like, I was definitely like, wow, this girl is made for television.

[Trisha Paytas]

So quick rundown then. Like, just because this is all happening in the current time, like, production has stopped because. Okay, so you know Dakota, her baby daddy. It's her second baby daddy.

[Tana Mongeau]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. So she's the bachelorette. It starts next week. She's already filmed with the Bachelorette. They Season four has just aired. It shows her leaving to go on the Bachelorette. Like she's going to the airport on the Bachelorette the night before. It shows Dakota at her house, leaving. Dakota is her baby daddy. They go back and forth. They're sleeping with other people. They're accusing each other. She calls him. Was the sex good? Why didn't you tell me? Like, they're very, very toxic. They're apart, but then they. She still likes them. What they insinuated was they slept together right before she leaves for Bachelor at filming. Then she has to film the Bachelorette. Bachelorette's done filming right now. They're filming for season five right now. Production has halted as of today because of a domestic violence called in by Dakota, saying that Taylor, Frankie, Paul was abusive to him and their child ever, who's two. And so that's where we're at. And so everyone's like, well, why are they back together? She just did the Bachelorette, like, all this stuff like that. So people are upset for a minute.

[Tana Mongeau]

Spoiling the ending. Yeah. They're like, well, obviously, there's a hundred more problems about that than spoiling the ending of the Bachelorette.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's more like, yeah, it's all like, why would they pick her to be the Bachelorette if she's still in love with this guy? Like, we just saw it. But, like, she invites Harry Jowsey over to make him jealous. And Harry's like, I don't even know any of this. Like, I just showed up. Like, whatever. Like this whole thing. Yeah, it's a whole.

[Tana Mongeau]

He is at the scene.

[Trisha Paytas]

Showing up at Mormon Wives was so crazy. I was like, what? It was. I guess they were in LA for Dancing with the Stars. So he's like, all the wives invited me over. And I was like, that's weird because they're all wives. They all have husbands. Like, it's a very weird thing. But anyways, so that was the whole. The whole gag. And they. People were saying, if it was flipped, would they allow a male bachelor to have the same past as far as, like, you know, different fathers of the kids? Usually bachelors don't have any kids. So she has a couple kids with different. Two different guys. She's still hung up on him. She's has a. She's. She had the call on her before with the DV charge. And then this was the second time today. This is, I guess, alleged. It's that he said that she.

[Tana Mongeau]

I just really think that we're in 2026. And people should be doing much deeper sanity checks on people before putting them on reality television. I know that they. They see a lot of shows, do baseline checks. I know Love island does that. I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, what's that mean?

[Tana Mongeau]

Like, a baseline mental health check. And, like, there's a psychiatrist on set. Like, I. I understand that, but I don't think that's enough. Like, if someone is going through stuff and, like, just because it makes great television, it's so sad to me. Like, it's like, because, like, she might, like, wake up one day and, like, want to get therapy, want to try some medicines, like, want to heal toxic. I don't know her, like, situation deeply enough. But then it'd be like, what has this done to my life? Like, it's just sad to me. It's so sad to. I've always felt that way about, like, just certain reality television things where I'm just like, at the cost of what a good show.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's a million step in. It's like, okay, this is. They've had those charges and happening. I guess that's the whole point. I guess the production is stopped at the moment, and I guess they're stopping it. But it's like, where does it. I do feel, yeah, other people could get pulled from a TV show for less, you know what I mean? For having something. But something like domestic violence is such a big thing currently, and then there's a child involved and everything like that.

[Tana Mongeau]

I do.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did love Taylor, Frankie, Paul so much. And I feel I saw a guy on TikTok about it where he was just like, you know, I know I'd be like, why does it affect you? Why does it affect you? And he's like, it affects us because we, like, care. And it's like, it is parasocial, especially

[Tana Mongeau]

with kids, I think, caring about kids. It's like, I've really been like. Like, I don't know, like, just lately I'm. I'm here in life. I'm 27. I have a lot of my friends around me who are similar in age. And whenever I'm seeing friends of mine get into toxic stuff, I'm like, before you know it, you're gonna have a kid with this man, and then you're gonna want a divorce from him, and you're gonna be like, you're not gonna have as much time to, like, rewrite and like, whatever. Like, you could wake up one day and be 45 and you're with this man that you've been with since you were 28. Toxic as hell. And, like, you have to. I don't know. I'm just like. Like, think about things, like, just before a child is involved. And, like. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then when a child gets involved, like her and Dakota, it's like, now you have a child and they put them online. The other two can't be on the show because it's with a different person. But, yeah, I, I, I care because I care deeply. I don't have parasocial with many people. I've always had parasocial. Taylor, Frankie, Paul. In, like, a healthy way. I feel if you're online, if you're on a reality show, obviously you expect people to connect with you. That's how you. That's why you put yourself out there. But then it does. Like, the stuff hurts. Like, when you see a friend that be so toxic on both ends. Right. They're both toxic. It's like, should we keep supporting this? Like, I loved her so much, and it's almost like I don't. And I was like, I'm gonna watch the Bachelor up. But it's like, do we keep supporting this? And now you have all these other men. Granted, probably all of them are not there for, like, love, but maybe some of them are. And then, like, what, you're this there to, like, string people? I don't know. The whole thing makes me really sad. And I get divisive about it because.

[Tana Mongeau]

And it's all just for, like, good tv.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's like, yeah, yeah, exactly. They're like, the ratings, and it's like, ah, but is it worth it? And is it worth the drama? It's like, we tune in for the drama, and Mormon wives do have it. I think there's a difference between, like, petty drama between, like, Whitney and Jen and Dancing with the Stars. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Versus, like, I'm not saying reality television shows should be them literally reading the Book of Mormon, but if we get to a level of, like, sanity is not there and this is bad for someone's mental health, like, stop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Stop filming it. Stop promoting it. Like, I just don't understand that. Like, I, I got like, this with the Kardashians too. And, like, they would always, always try to paint Tristan as, like, this amazing dad to Chloe's kids. And I was like, but he's not. And he wasn't. And he hasn't been. And he cheats. And, like, I don't care how much he's there for now. He's not a good parent to his other kids. He doesn't see that. He says himself he doesn't see one of his child. And like, so it's just frustrating when people platform something that's like bad behavior and try to make it like, okay

[Tana Mongeau]

and it's just like good TV again. Yeah. Like, I just. It makes me sad. It's like, I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

And some people, I see it for it, like, I get it. Like, it's the toxicity, the train wreck. But she is 31 and has kids and it's like, okay, there is like that level. That's why I say, like, 30 is the level where I think you stop being. Being messy, you know, for the sake of just like not embarrassing your kids.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, I just like, yeah. Even the Bachelor, I just like, I don't know. I haven't been as like, I love reality TV as I used to be. I feel like I find myself watching old reality TV more where, like, I don't know, where things were just sillier and it wasn't all like, tick tock discourse and like, I don't know, like, I just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Different times.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. And like. Or just other shows, like a scripted show. Like, I'm not trying to just watch people like, chaotically blow up their lives. Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I think also when I. I guess for me, like when I've chaotically blown up my life, it's hard. It's hard to watch. And you're just like, oh, my God,

[Tana Mongeau]

what I would do to like, instead of having done mtv, like gone to like a farm and like found God. It's like, oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you have a great experience with that. So you. Yeah, that. I guess that makes sense because you know how it all works where they like push for like a storyline or something to happen or drama. And I guess that is a whole different thing with Taylor. She started off because people like an arc, right. But she started off to me and like a rock bottom esque, you know, she obviously got divorced with the soft swinging handle. Like they soft swung and it didn't work out. People's feelings that hurt. She cheated, she went too far, whatever. So there's already a low for her to come back from. And I feel like she did. We're like, wow, we're watching Taylor Frankie Paul triumph. And I think that's why I loved it because I thought it was like, so inspiring. I was like, she's been through some. It sucks. But like, she's. She's triumphing. And so then to do these relapses, it's like, it's really is really tough to watch. And I feel like.

[Tana Mongeau]

And like a year long break from TV and finding yourself and like making sure your kid has the best mother and father and like whatever. And then coming back would be. I would watch that. I would like live to watch that. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, like getting help is something we love to watch and I think

[Tana Mongeau]

we also even that even if like the premise of a season was like her trying different like life coaches and therapists and like anything to get better. Trying no contact and like trying. You know what I mean? Like, like girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz you just need it. It's like becomes a.

[Tana Mongeau]

It's a risk at this point because

[Trisha Paytas]

the first call too was about her kids. Like she threw a chair and the kid was like in the house or something like that. That was, I believe what was said in the police report. She just recently came out that she called Dakota, I guess, allegedly again, 150 times in like 45 minutes.

[Tana Mongeau]

And you know that if you're.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've done it.

[Tana Mongeau]

I was just gonna say I've been 150 times. I've been.

[Trisha Paytas]

But can I say like, you know,

[Tana Mongeau]

you're never in a good place.

[Trisha Paytas]

But she has so many people support her and fans. And I will say it from my perspective too. It's almost like, like I obviously have mental illness, but it's like an everyday struggle. But it actually is more motivating to know people are rooting for you so you don't relapse. Because I'm like, I don't want to have. I can't go on the Internet and just cry again because like, that would let so many people down who like, she's changing. There's times where I'm like, maybe I want to cry about something, but I'm like, maybe not on the Internet. Maybe I can just like work through it myself. And I do. And it's so much better and healthier. But it's like trying not to let down the fans too.

[Tana Mongeau]

I feel that with like sobriety there is this like, not only is it me, but like with other people. I'm like, I don't. You know what I mean? I'm doing this for, for something bigger than me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you start with yourself, but then people keep you on track. Kids keep me on track and the fans keep me on track.

[Tana Mongeau]

And it's exactly. And I like, I want that for her. I agree.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But that's the thing. I think she's had so many of these chances and we're like, girl, we're tired and Then this happens, and you're back with Dakota and you're, like, with him the night before you leave for the Bachelorette. It's just like. It's sad.

[Tana Mongeau]

I also think that, like, we need to start normalizing and talking about breaks, because it's like, if someone is really, you know, a polarizing star and a polarizing force. If Taylor, Frankie, Paul took a year off right now and she came back, people would tune in. It's not like you're in this point of your career and your life where taking this year off is gonna, like, you over. And I think it's so easy when you're at that peak of attention and the dopamine from attention to convince yourself that if it's not at this height that, like, you're failing and stuff. But, like, looking back on times in my life where I'm like that, like, where I was like that as well, it's like, no, that, like, break would do you good and you could come

[Trisha Paytas]

back, you know, it is hard. I will say I've loved that idea. I was like, when I met my rap moms, like, I should just go away for a year and come back healthy. And it's like, I'm so addicted to the Internet and, like, being online that, like, I never was able to that. But it does make such a difference if you take time for yourself to do it. I don't know. It's. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And just reality shows are also, like, like, so invasive. Like, even if she just took a break from reality shows and was making tiktoks about her, like, journey, like, you know what I mean? Like, reality shows are. They're. They're waking you. You know, you're asleep and they're waking you, and, like, you're fighting with someone and they're waking you.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're like.

[Tana Mongeau]

Or. And they're there. I mean, like, it's just, like, so invasive.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is.

[Tana Mongeau]

You're not okay. Like, that's like, so I just. Damaging.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Reality shows I can't do. That's very Demon Lovato, too. She said at the height of her, like, Disney Channel days, like, sunny with a cheerleader chances when she had to, like, step away, but she thought she was gonna, like, no one was gonna care that she was gonna, like, lose momentum if she stepped away. But she, like, stepped away. She's like, I just couldn't do it anymore. Yeah. And took a break and went to rehab, of course.

[Tana Mongeau]

But, yeah. Because I think that when you're in that cycle, like, the momentum, you convince yourself that if the momentum stops at all, you're gonna lose everything that you, like, wanted so badly or worked for. But it's about, like, backing up and realizing, like, no, I'm gonna lose everything I wanted so bad and worked for if I keep, like, showing up to the forefront while I'm not okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the comeback is even greater. That's why I always wish I could take a break, because I would, or I did anyways, because the comeback would be greater. It's like, wow, she's so different, you know, because it's hard to see the change when you see someone every day. So if you're always seeing someone online, you're like, well, they're kind of the same person. It takes time, but it sucks. I was, like, really sad. The parasocial love at all. Do you see the Kiki Palmer parasocial love at all?

[Tana Mongeau]

The person proposing and the people on stage. Oh, my God, though she is Kiki Palmer. She is beauty, she is gray. She is Miss American Race. Like, Like, I actually have, like, a huge fear of that because I've had a lot of things happen, but I've never had a stalker, like, knock on wood, show up to something to do something like that. And it is a big fear of mine that I'll always live with.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess she has that. I mean, it happened, right? I canceled. Someone came up to the stage.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. But it wasn't, like, a proposal.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was it?

[Tana Mongeau]

It was a girl who was having a break. Like, she had a break. Like, a manic break or, like, whatever. And she was there with her friends. And, like, I guess her friends were just saying she was kind of, like, super off and just not in a good space and whatever. And she charged the stage. At first we were like, okay, drunk girl. Just wanted attention. And then to kind of find out, like, no, she was someone who was sober but in a really crazy headspace was, like, horrifying. You know what I mean? And.

[Trisha Paytas]

And how quick did security respond? She comes up on stage.

[Tana Mongeau]

I didn't have Rey yet, so it was just venue security. And that was the moment that, like, radicalized me. And I hired, like, my personal bodyguard who was a cop. Like, all of his life in the military, all of his life. He's done, like, every major celebrity. He is, like, level 10. I love Ray, like, that. He's like my dad at this point in life. But I hadn't had him fully. And then I was like, okay, we need personal bodyguards in chairs on the stage with us, dedicated to, like, our being on our Person just watching versus venue security was kind of like. Like, oh, block the stage. Yeah. Because. Because Ray would never let someone get on the stage. That's what happened.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was the discourse with the Kiki Palmer was that it took so long. There was, like, one security female that was kind of like, pulling, but he was still on that stage. And Kiki was, like, trying to figure out, like, what.

[Tana Mongeau]

That's why I don't do venue security. No matter how. No matter what I'm doing. Even this college speaking, like. And it's. It, like. And a lot of times people won't pay for it. So then you're paying out of pocket of your pay, and it's expensive. But, like, no matter what I'm doing, I want someone I like. Ray knows everything. Everything about me. Like, we are like family. You know what I mean? And, like. Because venue security just. You never know what you're gonna get. I've had venue security be hammered. There was a show I did in New Orleans where all the venue security was absolutely faced. And it's like, what.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what I mean?

[Tana Mongeau]

Or just people who are almost like, they're putting the person who was selling the popcorn last night.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And, like, just. I. I can't. I don't play like that now because. Because people are insane. And I've learned that the hard way, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. And that's. I guess that was. Right. That was like, the thing. I guess people in the audience said he was coming in and out, and they had told somebody on Kiki's team. Like, this person's, like, being weird. Like, people kept talking. Like, we saw this guy coming in and out, and he was, like, acting weird.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And no one said anything because it's at south by Southwest, I think.

[Tana Mongeau]

So it enraged me. Like, I would be lying if I said that. It didn't enrage me. I mean, I have to understand that, like, a lot of other people just don't understand. Understand what that's like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

And so, like, those people on stage were probably just trying to kind of keep the panel moving and respond with levity in order to kind of. People make jokes when they're uncomfortable. And I understand, but, like, if that was me, I already know how enraged I would have been. And Kiki, like, kept it. Right. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

She was moderating, and then someone there was like, oh, I wish I got all these proposals or something. And obviously trying to make light of something that was, like, so weird. And, like, what.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she was trying to figure out and she, like, ended up apologizing. He's like, I'm. I'm so sorry, everybody. Let's just go back to the. Which is crazy. I. I think I would have been like you. Where I would have been like, just. I'm out for the day. Like, sorry, everybody. Like, refund. It just. But yeah, I think there is a difference between, like.

[Tana Mongeau]

Her response was also, like, very brave. I'm not gonna lie. I have chills right now. Full body chills. Because I wouldn't respond like that. I would say, like. Like, I would. I would almost placate it. I would be like, yes. Oh, my God. Oh, baby. Of course. Until security got them out. Because a lot of times in. If you tell someone, I don't know you, like, we don't know each other, and I'm not your wife, and I'm not.

[Trisha Paytas]

They snap.

[Tana Mongeau]

And that's how people unfortunately, like, you know, I'm knocking on all the things here, but that's how people get hurt.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Is because then the person is like, but we do know each other, and we do. You know, they're so mentally ill that they think he thinks he's married to her. He's proposing to her, and they've been together. So if you. Her response was so brave. I was like, oh, my God. Like, I would do the exact opposite of that. I would literally act like a insane person to the whole crowd and be like, my husband's here. Everybody help. Oh, wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So no. Yeah. I guess until you're in that situation. But I think there's, like, healthy. And I think there's, like, those ones, obviously. Paris. I. I'm for parasocial relationships in the sense, because I feel I'm parasocial with, like, a lot of people. Like, I truly love, like, a Donny Osman. I truly love. You know, there's certain things because you think you know them and everything like, that. Obviously, if you have mental health issues, obviously, that's, like, goes into play. And if they're untreated because, like, a. It's a very common sign, even a borderline, to have, like, grand illusions. Be very much like, oh, I could be dating Brad Pitt, like, in my single years. Like, I'm like, oh, that's probably gonna happen. Like, the Brad Pitt will probably, like, want to marry me. Like, and obviously, I never got, like, extreme situations, like stalking or anything, but I know how those feel on, like, a very low, like, level of it. Yeah. Where I'm just like, oh, I. You know, you feel like you could date someone because.

[Tana Mongeau]

Oh we.

[Trisha Paytas]

What and people. Do people date fans? I mean that's the thing. So it's not. But, but when it gets like just

[Tana Mongeau]

when it's that when they think that they are. So that's what's like it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well and it's a mental health and

[Tana Mongeau]

it is like people I've dealt with in the past. There were moments where I'm, I, I do feel like, God, that's sad. But also like please stop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, please.

[Tana Mongeau]

Like it's a two way thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you definitely need I think whenever you have like a mental. And I think people, people know and if you didn't know, it's a wake up call. I guess he's like, oh, maybe you know, you should have. But you know also like there's just not enough mental health resources. Like it should be as free as like healthcare in Canada. You know what I mean? It should just be something where like people can get mental checks and medication.

[Tana Mongeau]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Tana Mongeau]

You genuinely she he genuinely could believe that him and Kiki are dating and to the point where he should propose. You know, so he's not going to seek treatment. You know what I mean? Like that which is wild. But she handled it so bravely and like like I'm sure now all of the people on stage have learned the lesson of like you know, but like

[Trisha Paytas]

the tighter security like it's expensive and a lot of times you don't get paid to moderate. Sometimes you just go there to do it and it's a whole thing.

[Tana Mongeau]

But and it is like it's also so expensive for anyone like even just it is so expensive. So I like get the being like I'm going to south by Southwest. That's a very safe thing. I'm speaking at a panel that's a very calm controlled environment. That's a very like but the paranoia like just once you have something like that happen once it plagues you to a point where you are so willing to make less money.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, maybe I don't need to do all these appearances. Excited for a Lollapalooza. We're just talking about that when you're

[Tana Mongeau]

in the bathroom Mar's going to go I gagged.

[Trisha Paytas]

I gagged for it.

[Tana Mongeau]

Devon was gagged for I've never been to a Lollapalooza.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz you to travel to Chicago, right? That's where it is. Chicago. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

I do love Sienna Spyro, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gag. Who is this? She's a new one I haven't heard of.

[Tana Mongeau]

She is like a baby Adele. Her vocals are so impressive. Her whole vibe, like, even your hair right now, is very Sienna spiral like she is. Her vibes are so cool. She's a sweetheart. I love her. I want to see her live really bad, but I don't know. A lot of Palooza's far, and I usually have about one festival in me a year. Even Coachella. I'm debating, like, coming home. I have something to tell you. Oh, I love this.

[Trisha Paytas]

The look in your eye is so exciting. What is it?

[Tana Mongeau]

I'm debating coming home one day early because Bieber's on Saturday and I have something Monday. Jimmy, you're gonna have to bleep this.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would cancel everything before that. I would just be like, I'm detoxing in bed. I'm just like, you know, little skin, everything. I'd just be like, oh, okay. Yeah. Make sure you get rest at least, you know.

[Tana Mongeau]

So I think I'm dipping on a Coachella early because mama has bigger things to do that Monday, which is crazy to have anything bigger.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. Wow. Are you so.

[Tana Mongeau]

I love you, first of all.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's epic.

[Tana Mongeau]

Everybody get you a friend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, are you kidding me? No. You've taught me to be such a good friend, too. Like, I feel like I was getting there before I met you, but you're excitement for other people and just being like, everyone wins is like. And I felt that ever since we met. It's like me being excited for other people. It's like, wow, everyone does win. And I feel like with this, it's also like, your dream. Because I. I'm such a fan too. Like, I'm such a fan girl of people that if, like, if I was invited by that person, for that person, like, I would be like, what do you mean? You know, like, I know especially. And yours isn't just a phase with this person. Like, this has been a thing.

[Tana Mongeau]

So obviously everyone knows something. Something might happen, and still, you know how I feel. If it doesn't, it's not. It's not meant to be.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're in the area, you feel the energy, and it's just. That's it. That's a. It's gonna be good energy regardless.

[Tana Mongeau]

I know the fact that you're invited.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like being invited to something is the privilege for 100.

[Tana Mongeau]

I'm like, so. So I will be probably missing young Thug at Coachella, which I'm a little sad about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. No. Oh, my God. That's so. No, that's huge. That's everything.

[Tana Mongeau]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is your. It was. I think Brittany Brosk talked about how she was, like, in Paris Fashion Week, and they told her they had to be home, home. And she's like, I'm not gonna be home. And, like. But Harry Styles is gonna be on. It's the only day. And she's like, okay, I'm gonna be home. You know, it's just like, your Harry Styles, where it's just like, okay, I'm.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you make anything work. For sure.

[Tana Mongeau]

I know. And I'm really, honestly, I need to, like, petition that you go with me. Like, I literally, like, we have to go together.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, I would love. But, like, that's okay.

[Tana Mongeau]

Perfect. I want it.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that seems like. I mean, it's. It's crazy, though, too, also. It's your thing, too, but I would love to support you.

[Tana Mongeau]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'd love to be there, you know, me just being like. I would love to also see you, but.

[Tana Mongeau]

And, like, imagine us together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, oh, my God. It would be everything. But don't. Don't feel pressure and don't feel.

[Tana Mongeau]

I'm gonna try. Of course I want you there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do they say, like, a plus one or no?

[Tana Mongeau]

Oh, my God. I'm finding out you're queen of bringing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I think there was another event we were both invited to, and, like, you can only bring one person. Then I text you. I'm like, who are you bringing? Like, there was, like, three people on your list. I was like, all right. Love that. No, I do love.

[Tana Mongeau]

I am the worst they can do is say no.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's great. I think that I'm the opposite. Like, if I go to anything, like, was like, okay, I'll come too. I was like, no, you can't come. They didn't tell me I could bring anyone. Like, I'm very. Like, that. I love.

[Tana Mongeau]

I also think that's a great way to be. I think that Kris Jenner has this quote where she's like, if someone's telling you no, you're asking the wrong person. And I took that and ran with it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a great.

[Tana Mongeau]

Like, I. It's funny, the other day, I, Like, I didn't want to go get Botox alone. Okay. Right? And I call Amari, and I just have the pitch. I'm with Moa, and I have the pitch of a century to him. I'm like, you can get it 2. We can have such a fun car ride. Like, let's go. We have tea to talk about. We can talk about this and this and this in the car, like, you were just in Vegas. And, like, obviously Amari says yes, because he's my best friend. He's so sweet. And I hang up, and McCoy just looks at me, and he goes, you know exactly how to get whatever it

[Trisha Paytas]

is that you are good.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I'm like, it's so true.

[Trisha Paytas]

You are so good. Yeah, I feel like in person, too. You're just. You just have that energy, that vibe that's like, everything. You're.

[Tana Mongeau]

You're like a.

[Trisha Paytas]

Minus the domestic abuse charges and stuff like that. You're like the Tavern, Paul, where you're just, like. Just so charming and beautiful that, like. Just, like, everyone's just like, whatever you want in town. And, you know, I look at it

[Tana Mongeau]

more as, like, begging. Like, I'm a big beggar.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you have charm.

[Tana Mongeau]

I'm very pleased. Please.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can never be, like, mad or upset or anything like that. It's like, if you're late, I'm just like. Because when I see in person, you're like a puppy dog. You're just like, I love you.

[Tana Mongeau]

You're so sweet.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're so understanding. Just like, okay, no, but. But you're with that, with everyone. Everyone thinks that about you. You're with that. Loving.

[Tana Mongeau]

Except for the people who I've just done drastically wrong.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, maybe. Yeah. That's the thing I don't know about.

[Tana Mongeau]

I think it's more. Less charming and, like, just America's sweetheart and more beggar. I'm a big beggar. Like, shut up. Yeah, I'm big on shut up Fine. Because shut up fine is still yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you're so brave. I'm. I'm. I never asked for anything. Like, like.

[Tana Mongeau]

And get this. You're so respectful.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm too respectful. It doesn't get you anywhere. You got to ask. If you don't ask, you don't get, is what they say. But I really.

[Tana Mongeau]

I will be asking people for the crate. Craziest. I get a lot of no's in life, too. Of course, I'll be asking for the craziest.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's amazing you can handle rejection that way. I feel like if I get a no, I'm, like, paralyzed for the rest of my life.

[Tana Mongeau]

It depends on what it is, I guess. But I really do try to live by, like, the worst someone can say is no. Obviously. Boundaries. Like, I'm not ever gonna Try to ask someone something that, like, is super disrespectful or, like, insane or like, if I don't know someone well enough or whatever. But I think shooting your shot is very important.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's great advice.

[Tana Mongeau]

I'm like, even this opportunity that's coming up like, that I just told you about is from straight begging.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can't believe you didn't. Because we're like five, six hours into hanging out. Like, I can't believe you didn't tell me.

[Tana Mongeau]

I forgot. Like, that is how crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's like an opener.

[Tana Mongeau]

I know. My life honestly is just very, very hectic right now. In the best way.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, so you're thinking, like, one day at a time.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. Even tomorrow I'm like, spending the day with Chelsea Handler, and I'm just like, that's Wednesday for me. And then Thursday, I'm like, unbanned from the win and going to Vegas and shooting all this stuff that I'm really excited about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, your vibrations are high today. So I think that's why everything's going good.

[Tana Mongeau]

We just shop for. For Vegas. I was gonna say residency again. That I want to be a Residency so bad. June 12th. I keep almost saying March 12th. Like, did that already happened, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Already happened a long time ago. Yeah, June 12th is where it's at. But even out there, you were like, so excited. Like, this is the best day ever. In the garage with, like, oh, yeah,

[Tana Mongeau]

there's a craps table, like, life size, true to size. Like, it's not plastic. It's a real functioning table in the garage. Like, I just feel like so many things, like, I'm. I don't know, I feel like you. I literally. Like, it is so funny how much I discuss, like, manifestation. Cuz like, like, just how many things happen where, like, your manifestation, where I'm like, the Trisha effect is so real and it's so crazy. Like, so powerful.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, what you think is, like, will come true. Like, it's crazy and like. Or what you talk about.

[Tana Mongeau]

I hope that our friendship is also a testament to people that sometimes in life, like, even if you're happy in your current friendships or whatever, or if, like, let's say, I don't know, let's say maybe you're. You have things that aren't serving who you are now anymore or whatever, like, that there is someone out there who can, like, be your friend and, like, I don't know that you guys can vibrate so high on, like, I feel like in the time that our friendship was Developed. I've learned so much from you about manifesting a dream life and stuff. And it's like, I don't know, it just like it goes to show that like even if some friendships come to a close or they're at different capacities that they were and like, like, and I'm not thinking of anyone in specific, I'm just thinking of like me kind of going sober, getting rid of a lot of party friends. Like just different things, different lifestyle. Yeah. And just like that there's someone out there that like can teach you so many things. Even if you feel like. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel that with you and like someone so much younger than me. I just like, it's so crazy to like learn so much because again, writing the book, it's like you are, you are mentioned in the book and it's like so crazy to write about a time in my life that we like weren't friends and didn't know each other. And I was, I was in such like the lowest part of my life. And you're like there and like the parallels of it, but also at the time you were so. You're so. Even though you're different, it was a long time ago, maybe seven years ago, and obviously like your sobriety and stuff is so different, but you were still the same person as far as, like. I don't know how to say it, I don't know if I say morals is the right thing, but just the same energy, the same girl coded way that you are now you were back then. You know what I mean? And it's like, I don't know, it was like the same person. It was almost like you were there and it was just like I was just so like, I don't know, not. I guess I wasn't able to either. You were so young and it was just such a different vibe. But I was no.

[Tana Mongeau]

And you were inside. You were being like dragged down by something. So I saw this TikTok the other day that was like I got sad about my relationship ending and I'm remembering that I'm at the age that Trisha was at when she was in that relationship. And like, like my Moses is like still out there. You know, that is actually so true

[Trisha Paytas]

because I was 30. I was 30, so that means you were 20, which is like crazy to think about because I was like, oh my God, like writing in that perspective and obviously writing it with Heinz. I was like, oh my God. I always think of you as just this. And I also also think of you as like, my age. Because you've been around so long too, and we just been parallel for so long. So I was thinking of the same age, like, oh, my God, you were 20 and acting so much more. And I just feel. I, like, cried. I was like, thinking about how awful so many of the situations were that you in and how you just kind of like, you handled it. Like, same for you.

[Tana Mongeau]

I.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I felt. In a way, I felt like I let you down. Like, I felt like I should have, like, done more and I, like so many other people should done more for you. It was just. Just like, sad and I was gonna make me cry. I know. I got really emotional about it because I was, like, rereading it, obviously, for, like, proofreads and taking things out and stuff. And I was just like, damn. Like, no one really, like, looked out for you. It was actually so insane. And you handled it so well.

[Tana Mongeau]

But we looked out for ourselves. And, like, this is making me tear up, but that's really sweet of you, but, like, Hindsight is always 2020, right. And everything. And, like, we were both victims to so many other worlds, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Tana Mongeau]

That we were entered in so many worlds that we ended up being victims of and, you know, perceived as. And just over and whatever. And we carried ourselves out of that and then we got to come together as these, like, powerhouses and it's. I really.

[Trisha Paytas]

I, like, like, coming out of it, we made it out, like, yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I. And I just believe that timing is everything. I always think about that. I think that, like, you. The connection that we have, we just wouldn't have had this connection that's like this deep and means so much to me at, like, any other points of our lives. Like, we were so many meant, like, it's. It really is like, something like our friendship is the type of thing to make me believe in the universe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Because we were so close in proximity to each other for so long.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

But the universe knew it wasn't our. It wasn't our time.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would have been. And I think I know at that time, like I said, the thing I've learned for me the most is just like, girlhood and being, like, cheering for women and, like, there's enough room for everyone. Like, I've learned that so much from you. Even, like, early on, I remember, like, being, like, the way that you could still be friends with people who, like, whatever. I was like, wow, she's really, like, you know, she. She's really a girl's girl. And I was never like that. So I think back then and probably even back then when I was like, when I like writing this, it's like oh yeah. I was like so jealous and I was so bitter. But it was like in the wrong place, you know what I mean? And I think that's like. And it wasn't your fault was anyone's fault. It was just like, wow, I'm like. And now to like be your friend and like learn so much from you and also just see your. It's like, it's good and I'm glad you made it out of there because like it was, I was just, there was one part that I observed but there were so many other things and it's just like was sad to watch as everyone around just be.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. I am so excited to see Tana and Trisha take Vegas. Vegas on June 12th at the Cosmopolitan.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Tana Mongeau]

Se. We love you Se. What it is. I mean, that's something I'm talking about in my book so much too. Like, how not having a father's love, even at the age of, like, from seventh grade on, like, that's kind of where I'm at now. Immediately started to, like, you know what I mean? Snowballing into, like, actions that I was doing and the ways I was presenting myself, which then put me in so many scenarios that now I look back and it's like, holy, I deserve better from the jump. Or I would have never gotten into those, like, scenarios.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's hard. You know, I think that part two, and, like, we're so similar. I'll get off this because we talk about a lot, but it's, it's. It's. It's, you know, like me in my early 20s when I did, like, people in their 50s stuff. It's like, you kind of just go along with it and you think everything's fine. But, like, later on being like. Like, that was like, kind of. And I realized that and it's like, it is so. It's like, very triggering. And I was like, it's like, anyways, I'm just glad that you made it out because, like, so many girls do go, you know, they just get a little unhinged because that's the way they were.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Conditioned and made by me.

[Tana Mongeau]

Well, that was the. I thought that love wasn't love if I didn't have to fix it. You know what I mean? So I think that I innately looked for, like, broken environments. I think that I. I also would believe that, like, I wasn't going to get the attention or the whatever, the care, the whatever if I wasn' sexualizing myself. And then we saw, like, all of the things like that that, like, played out because of that. Like, just. You know what I mean? Like, so many things, like, oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

The way that one little thing could change and in a way, like. And it, like, not to be like, you're the reason, but, like, you're the reason. Like, a pivotal moment in my life that something, like, ended. And it was. And we talk about it at length because there's, like, two different instances, obviously something that you're not even aware of, but it was like, Two pivotal things that would have. I would have never ended this really toxic, like, part of my life if it wasn't for you, like, the way. But it made me sad for you because you were literally like, this pawn that they were. Someone else was doing stuff with. And it was just like, damn. But if it wasn't for that, I don't think I would ever have been out of the toxicity, and I would have gone even more crazy. You know what I mean? So I was like. It pushed me out of something, and I was like, oh, thank God. And then when I look back at that, I was like, oh, my God, that was crazy. That was such a crazy time, but made me feel bad for you because I was like, the end day, we're like, I guess to watch something is just so crazy because, like, I wouldn't watch so many things until I have to watch back things.

[Tana Mongeau]

I know I haven't gotten to that part of the writing process yet.

[Trisha Paytas]

It, like, rips you apart. And that's why I've talked about Shane so much in the past couple years, because I was watching our old videos, and it's just like, God, it's such a different lens when you look back. And I know people are like, God, you bring all this stuff up, but when you're writing, you're engulfed in it. Obviously, you're still in your childhood. But mine was such as a YouTube arc that I had to watch videos to remember because I'm like, I don't know the timing. I don't know this, and I'm like, watching videos.

[Tana Mongeau]

That's gonna suck.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's so. It's a little triggering. Like, honestly, I definitely have been, like, taking therapy sessions that I were not taking before because I was just like, this is, like, a lot.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes, because you do, like. I think even, like, the other day, I was doing this press thing, and they were just showing me, like, the bleach and tone video, and I see clips of it, but when it comes to actually clicking on that video and watching it, like, I never have. Right? And when it comes to, like, Tanacon, like, I think that I just. I'm not like, what? Like, I'll see clips and stuff, but I'm not like, mtv. I've never watched, like, other than clips or, like, trying to react to clips for something, but I've never sat and really watched it and really sat back in that time. The Jake Paul stuff, same. I've never gone back and, like, all of that. And I know that I'll have to get to that part. So it's. It's. I can't imagine, because they'll be like,

[Trisha Paytas]

what did you say? What do they do? How do they react? And you're like, you remember it from what you remember, but you're like, let me just watch.

[Tana Mongeau]

And it's so different to, like, see yourself. You know what I mean? To, like, see. I have this, like, night of, like, a while ago. This was probably, like, almost a year ago, but I was going through old vlog footage for something on my phone, and I found this time that I had, like, been to. I went to my grandma's house in Texas and I vlogged. And I don't think this vlog ever made the Internet, but for some reason, what I was doing at her house was going through old photos. Like, there was lots of photos of me as a baby, and I've never seen these. I don't have any. I always talk about that. I don't have any baby photos of myself at all. Because I never, like, gotten me. So I just, like. I only have, like, my memories from, like, what I've looked at. Do you know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I don't. I never remember doing this. And I was looking at all these photos and I was like, you know, I.

[Trisha Paytas]

You.

[Tana Mongeau]

I remember it all through my lens, but I hadn't. I'm not, like, seeing that girl and being like, oh, my God, that blanket. I loved that blanket. Yeah, like, that. That shirt. That was my favorite shirt. Like, and, like, really humanizing that girl versus thinking about it. Pov.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You know, you don't remember until you see a photo, which is why photos and videos are powerful. I think now kids have better memories. Mal remembers everything about you, everything about your dog, about everything. She'll look at the photos and videos. So she, like, never forgets. She'll never forget the dog. She'll forget, like. You know what I mean? She never forgets these things because of that. And that is. It's a powerful thing. And it's sad that you don't have more of that from your child, but maybe for the better, I guess. If you've had a rough childhood, maybe it could remind you of some bad things.

[Tana Mongeau]

I think it just humanizes it all even. There was this photo of my parents. Parents that was in it, and they were super young. And, like, I hadn't, like. I don't remember ever filming this. Like, to me, to my knowledge of, like, my brain capacity. It was my first time ever seeing this photo when I was looking at it. On my phone. Like, obviously I filmed that, but I don't. I didn't remember. And they were like. Like, my mom, like, looked similar to, like, my age. And my dad, like, didn't look so old and, like, up. And I was just, like. I was sobbing because I was like, at the end of the day, she was just a girl who wanted to make it work. And they were just like, this couple on this trip. And then, like, you know what I mean, having a laugh and, like, envisioning and hoping it could work. And then mental health, like, got the best of them, you know, and it was like. It's so humanizing.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a good way to look at it. It's good you can look at it that way, being through what you've been through. Because, like, children should never be neglected like you were. But if you can look at it, I guess that's like a healthier way to be. But it does suck. That's what sucks about being a parent is you don't know until you have a kid if you're gonna be a good or bad parent. And then that kid is gonna deal with the repercussions if you're bad or good. And it's not.

[Tana Mongeau]

That's my biggest fear.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a vast fear.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. It's such a huge fear, you know, where I'm just like, yeah, but it's like. And I think I'll really, over research. I think I'm that type of person. I have to find a way to, like, cope. Like, when it comes to parenting, I already know. The second I think I'm ready, I'm gonna be like, hitting the book. That's the GED I'm gonna get, you know? And in reality, like, you can only learn so much by reading 500 books on parenting. You learn by doing. And I'm gonna be so scared.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you'll be so good. I think in general, people who didn't have, like, great moms, it could either be a cycle and you could, but it's not going to be for you because you just know you're like, you. You're a protector of the children. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

I would genuinely rather die than be a bad parent.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Because I feel the effects of what that is every single second of every single day.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's why I know you'll be a good mom. And I feel that way, too. When I feel myself lagging or if I felt myself going into, like, postpartum or something, I always. If I couldn't be the best mom Try and get help to help with the kids 100%. Like, okay, I'm going through something and I need help with it and. But that makes a good mom, you know?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. And even just self awareness help, you know what I mean? Like how much I wish my mom would have been like, let me try Prozac, you know, like, let me. And they're Gen K Pop Demon Hunters. Taja Boy's breakfast meal and Hunt Trick's

[Trisha Paytas]

meal have just dropped at McDonald's.

[Tana Mongeau]

They're calling this a battle for the fans.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle. So glad the Saja boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

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It is an honor to share.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it's our honor.

[Tana Mongeau]

It is our larger honor. No, really stop.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can really feel the respect in this battle.

[Tana Mongeau]

Pick a meal to pick a side. Participating McDonald's while supplies last generation was different, you know what I mean? So it's like, well, that's the thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

And resource. You have resource. And that's kind of the sucky part of America too. It's just like childcare. So expensive. And it's like people can't afford to get help, you know. But when you have resources, it makes it easier. But I always see people all the time on Tik Tok being like so supportive of stay at home moms that they like take them to daycare because it's like everyone needs a break. Everyone needs this.

[Tana Mongeau]

And so you can come back though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. To be the best version of yourself. And it does suck that we don't have more accessibility to like people helping their village. Like they say the village is no longer there. It says it takes a village to raise a kid. And it's like the village is not there anymore. Like people just are doing it on their own. It's like it makes it harder to be a parent.

[Tana Mongeau]

And it's so impressive to me. It is so impressive to me. Like just. And single moms and just like all

[Trisha Paytas]

of it is so the whole other world for sure. That's like, wow. It's a lot of. I don't know.

[Tana Mongeau]

It's.

[Trisha Paytas]

We really got. We really went all the way around. But I love it though. I love it. I think it's. You'll be a good mom.

[Tana Mongeau]

So effortlessly, like truly like, like what did we even start this episode out with? I couldn't tell you. Gun to my head, I have no idea. But I like when we get into flow state too.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I did feel like that and I loved it. Like, therapy, where we're just, like, talking. Yes. And this. Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I was like, genuinely forget about the cameras here, too. Which I think is so neat. Nice, you know? But then again, also, what am I saying? It's so funny. I've been trying to film, like, some solo stuff, too. And I filmed something the other day about, like, love and relationships. And Kyle, like, he said something, like, just filming it. He wasn't saying it, like, in a bad way at all. And he was like, yeah, it's just taking, like, a while because you've jumped from, like, topic to topic to topic to topic. And I'm like, damn. Like, my solo podcasts may be just, like, the most insane ADHD stream of consciousness, like, ever. Like, I'm.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Did you want. Have you ever done one by yourself? Just, like, completely talking by yourself?

[Tana Mongeau]

No, I have.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Tana Mongeau]

It is so wild.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you're just talking about whatever is. I know. I don't think I've ever done one,

[Tana Mongeau]

and I think that it made me really, really grateful. This is the dumbest thing ever to say. But, like, when you're silent or you're thinking about what you're going to say next, someone else is not there to help you. Like, you are just awkwardly sitting there until you gather your thought. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Adjusters was 100 supposed to be solo because I'm like, I'm done having people to, like, rely on. If they don't. If they end the podcast, whatever. Like, you know what I mean? Because they. Whatever. I've been through, like, enough of those. And I was just like, I'm gonna do it myself. And then I realized, like, I want to talk to someone about what I'm talking about. And it's like, it is hard, but you're. You are very good. Again, your story times, obviously, is, like, why you're, like, known as. I started. And you're just so good at telling stories.

[Tana Mongeau]

But it's like. Oh, it's just.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is.

[Tana Mongeau]

Like, even the other day I did one. We were in Cabo, and I was just having, like, a really bad, like, mental health day. And it was, like, about my family, and I was going through in life, like, right now and whatever, and I, like, I went super deep on just, like, Amari's family and how essentially, like, these people chose to heal wounds that they didn't create, which is such a noble thing to do, to be, like, you know, putting the band aid on the wound that you didn't create. You know what I mean? And I Just like, was on about that, like, tangent for, like, an hour, and afterwards the camera goes off, and it's just like, me and Kyle in the room, and it's like, you know, it's like, so much. Why is he there?

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. But why is he there?

[Tana Mongeau]

Just to, like, check camera, check audio.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, you know, you don't want to, like, flip it around and just, like, push record and look at the red button, see if it's still there.

[Tana Mongeau]

But then, you know, I would be handing over some corrupt file.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I. I love it. I think that's so funny. It'd be interesting, like, open up and just, like, just one of the persons behind the camera. I'd be like, yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Like, it definitely. It creates. Because then afterwards, sometimes him and I will just rent. He'll be like. Like, I had no idea that I had the similarity my childhood to yours. Like, it almost created, like, because you have to just be so comfortable with this person.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

To be able to, like, do it. You know what I mean? Like, with them in the room.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's Jimmy, our editor at Jimmy Love you. And Jimmy will always text me something about, like, what I said that day. He's like, you know what? I've also been through, like, we have stepmom issues. And he's like, I also have a stepmom that's like.

[Tana Mongeau]

And it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's cool because. Right. He has to watch everything and he, like, gets to know and just like. Yeah. It's kind of gets nice then that way. The connection. It's like. Okay, all the stuff you cut. Yes. Should we. Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

I can confirm you have done a solo episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have I done a solo episode of just Trish Dish with. Oh, what?

[Tana Mongeau]

Oh, dish with Trish was because Jordan Morona was on that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? He was. Oh, right. Was that during quarantine?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. You did. You did a whole episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. That was horrible. And that's why I started flopping. Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

Joe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jordan was in the first.

[Tana Mongeau]

Like, that is so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

He was like, he is. I guess, like. I don't know. I'm saying was like. He's like, okay, whatever. Jesus. A good conversation.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that was weird because we just didn't know each other that well. Like, we were. He only was like, I guess manager for me for like, a month or something. And it was like, oh, let's just sit down. On the podcast. It was when I was wearing Brad Pitt. I remember being like, I'm getting married next week. And he's like, to Who? I'm like, I can't tell you. It was really weird. And I was very.

[Tana Mongeau]

I like, specifically remember begging him to tell me because I thought that he knew and was keeping it from us. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's so funny.

[Tana Mongeau]

I think that's like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I remember. Yeah, I remember, like, wanting to work with him because of you, and I was thinking, wow, because you had such. You did have so many things happen. You know, you do have so many things happening.

[Tana Mongeau]

But that was like, such a time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, 2015, we just found out you were nominated for that award for Social. Who won? You said Social Star Award, and the winner was Social Star Award in 2015.

[Tana Mongeau]

I actually don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were nominated. Did you go?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes, I remember I was wearing this dress and I. It was. I was trying to hold up my. The dress to my. With fashion tape and it wasn't working. Like, the tape just showed the whole time and, like, was falling. And like, I remember Billie Eilish was there and I was like. And it was like, mermaidy. It was like, such an embarrassing thing to be wearing.

[Trisha Paytas]

What you look like 2015. That's a lot. How old were you?

[Tana Mongeau]

I have no idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that 11 years ago? So you're 20.

[Tana Mongeau]

It had to have been like, 2018.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, he said 2015. Right? 2015.

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2019.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, 20. Oh, okay. Okay. Agnes. Mo work, Agnes.

[Tana Mongeau]

Mo work, Agnes. I don't even, like, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you end?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes, but I think they didn't air it. I think it was one of those awards where the person, like, wins. Just this was. Especially at that time, they're not airing, like, social media star. Like, they're not. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, I love that you were nominated for that. 2019 was your year. That was greater. That was like your year.

[Tana Mongeau]

That was like the attention maxing. And it is so funny seeing that. Like, theoretically, attention maxing can bring you accolades.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right?

[Tana Mongeau]

But, like, at what cost?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that was like.

[Tana Mongeau]

I was so mentally.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were you?

[Tana Mongeau]

Well, like, 2019. 2019, I think might have been like, the most. 2019 and 2020, my addiction wasn't bad. But I also think that 2019 and 2020, was probably the cause of a lot of my addiction then snowballing. You know what I mean? All of those years, you couldn't pay me a million dollars to relive 2019 through, like, 2021.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's an interesting thing. I didn't know that because I would have thought the opposite. Because you had all that stuff happening.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, like, that's. That's what's so funny to me is that, like, so many crazy things happened at that time that will, like, never happen again. And just, like, wild things where I'm like. But I say, you couldn't pay me a billion dollars.

[Trisha Paytas]

Whole book is just 20. 2019. Your second book is all that. Like, the second book will be 2019.

[Tana Mongeau]

It really. I know at this point, I'm like, damn, is one childhood and is one, you know, all the other.

[Trisha Paytas]

Honestly, 2019 was my worst year ever, too. And I would say that. But that's why we always say 2020. I think Oscar said hit 2019 was a horrible year for him. 2020 was, like a cultural reset for so many people because it was like, we needed that because it was like I was wilding out, too. 2019 was my spiral. So, yes, that could be a whole other.

[Tana Mongeau]

There's something in the air at that time.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're like, 2020 needs to happen to, like, do it. Should we take a question? Are we out of time?

[Tana Mongeau]

Let's say one quick question.

[Trisha Paytas]

Next one. We are doing all questions right away. No. Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

I was joking that we just try to take as many calls as possible with thumbs up or thumbs down as the answer.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is dumping. This is go, keep going.

[Tana Mongeau]

No, but I am excited. Yeah. Our record on Not Loveline for calls

[Trisha Paytas]

is 13 or 14.

[Tana Mongeau]

13 or 14. It was probably 10. It was 10. Probably 10 because of our show on June 12th.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Caller]

Okay. So I just wanted to tell a quick story. Last night, I just had the best, like, little date with my boyfriend, and I didn't even plan it, and I just thought I wanted to share and just give, like, a really fun, like, date idea. Basically, we drank a bottle of wine, which you don't have to do, of course, but then we had washable markers, and I showed my boyfriend a tattoo I've been wanting all my back, and he was like, oh, let me try it. And he drew, like, all over my back and. And it was so hot. But at the same time, like, he's pretty good at drawing, and it turned out so good. And, like, now I just want to, like, show it to my tattoo artist and, like, yeah, do this for me. But it was just so much fun, and I feel like we could have kept doing it and, like, you could get a little spicy with it or something, but I don't know, I just wanted to share a fun date idea. I love this podcast, and it's a fun outlet for all of us girls, but love you. Bye.

[Tana Mongeau]

First of all, we love You. We love when you guys call in with random lore.

[Trisha Paytas]

Take more calls. They're really good. I love this.

[Tana Mongeau]

Oh, my God. I want to do that. Like, now my spray tan says no today, but, like, on Makoa. That's so fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

It'd be so fun to draw because. Yeah, you're an artist. You guys are, like, artistic. You guys do each other.

[Tana Mongeau]

We're something. Like, we got a little tiz, for sure. Artistic. All of it. That. That is fun. I always see. Have you seen? I'm surprised you've never done this. I don't know why. I could just see you, like, wanting to do this. Have you seen when couples, they get a big canvas or paper, they roll out the whole floor, they cover their bodies in paint, and then they, like, hook up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no, I seen, like, the roller. I'm the hook up.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. And then they hook up with the paint all over them, and then they, like, frame it. It looks very abstract, obviously, like, just like, I've always wanted to do something like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, just your whole body's painted. Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

And then. Or just, like, hands. You could do whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

The genital is not painted.

[Tana Mongeau]

I. I think I would keep my puss unpainted.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it seems UCI. I like that. I love that idea because then it's like, oh, look at what we made.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. Like, that's so cool.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do love this idea. I do love, like, drawing on each other. I love it.

[Tana Mongeau]

I also want a smart way to ensure that you want a tattoo. I wish I had that before I got every tattoo right, you know? Yeah, but, like, they're all very.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you don't see them at all.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, I guess that's true. I'm not, like, sitting here with my sleeve, like, whatever, but, like, I don't know. Like, I'm. I'm the. I'm definitely always telling people, like, if your frontal lobe is not developed, really think about your tattoos and, you know, just make sure you really want these things and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Watching the tattoo removal process is, like, oh, so painful. Have you ever removed a tattoo? Painful?

[Tana Mongeau]

I started to, and then I gave up, and now it's just half there. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. What was it?

[Tana Mongeau]

A young AF on my. Now it says,

[Trisha Paytas]

oh, yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

But, like, that is really, like, so, so fun. And it's funny because Mokoa has, like, no tattoos, and, like, I would live to just, like, draw sleeve on him and see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just do a little artist. That is fun. Oh, I should ask Moza. Drama. He's so artistic. He went to me, did my Makeup, and I was like, after we watch the idol, so you do my eyeliner. Like, that was, like, those crazy eyeliner that he had. And he did it so good. It was, like, very intimate, too. He's, like, doing my eyeliner.

[Tana Mongeau]

You guys should do a TikTok like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

He's so good.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's so good at liner. His line's like, remember that challenge where they would do it, like, really quick? Like, in one second? Like, he would. He'd do it in, like, one second. He's so good.

[Tana Mongeau]

Should actually do that because it's. I feel like I love watching a boyfriend do a girlfriend's makeup and, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

And, like, slay it.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. I was gonna say, like, most don't. You know what I mean? So, like, Moses actually saying it would be, like, such. I would watch.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think we definitely filmed it, but it might be on, like, YouTube or it might not even be up there anymore. It might be on the family channel. But, yeah, it was great. I love cute. I love an artistic moment.

[Tana Mongeau]

It's also a cute date. And I think that it's like, yes. We often just look at date as, like, dinner, movies, bowling, like, just the basics.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And sometimes a date is just. Just, like, something you do at home that's, like, cute and fun. Like, get artsy. Like, do a thing, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I love things like that these days. Like, of course. I love, like, you know, McCo and I just, like, got dressed up and went to dinner, and it was nice. But at the same time, like, when we do a jigsaw puzzle, like, at home all night, and we're off our phones and, like, we are just, like, talking quality time. Like, maybe smoke a little before. Like, I love those nights almost more because they're so intimate, you know, like, of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you're, like, home, and you're safe and you're comfortable. Comfortable. And.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where'd you guys go to dinner?

[Tana Mongeau]

We went to Yesabel in West Hollywood, which is my favorite restaurant.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's Isabelle, you.

[Tana Mongeau]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Tana Mongeau]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Tana Mongeau]

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[Tana Mongeau]

Use as directed like that. It's. I really don't know what kind of

[Trisha Paytas]

food you'd classify American fine dining.

[Tana Mongeau]

Like, no, like, I get like Brussels sprouts. I get like wagyu skewers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like tapas American.

[Tana Mongeau]

They do have a great pasta. Like, it's. It is just my favorite.

[Trisha Paytas]

Every single one.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. I was like, I'm craving Isabelle. It was like Sunday night or something. I was like, let's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let's just go dress up and go out.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. And like, it was so good. There was a table of men next to us though, who have guaranteed never left the house before in their entire life.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're like, loud or what?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. It's so funny because I used to not get over stimulated like at all by people. People, like, people could be screaming next to me and it wouldn't bother me at all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Amazing.

[Tana Mongeau]

And like, I would be around my friends almost who would be like, those people can't stop yelling. This is ruining my night. Or like, whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I like, wouldn't get it. You know, I'd be like, whatever, like, just have fun. Who cares? And now as I'm getting older, like, I'm not kidding you. These men were like Trisha, like, like straight men and pitimmy. They were like, I think one of the. One of them was getting married. Screaming at the top of their lungs, like barking looking and right. Yes. Like right next to us. Like the table next to us. No, I was having to. I kept yelling because Mako couldn't hear me because of how loud they were.

[Trisha Paytas]

Literally awful.

[Tana Mongeau]

I was like, this is your first time outside ever. I tried to like go empathetic and be like, you know, it's. Someone's getting married. They're so happy. But I was like, how do you not understand that you're on megaphone?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's why I like out here. We went to dinner Friday night night to like a sushi place. And it was like only 12 people and like, which is all people over 70. I was like, I love this so much. While they're at 6 o', clock, we're like, yes, let's have early sushi.

[Tana Mongeau]

You honestly have such a good point. Like, for so long, I loved the hustle and bustle of like a Saturday night Hollywood dinner. And now I'm like, shut up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And why is there EDM playing?

[Trisha Paytas]

We go at 5 o'. Clock. If we go to like, we went to Drake's at like 5pm we're like, we're gonna go there because it's like we'll go right when they open so we don't have to deal with any. Anything.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. Wonderful. It's okay. Everything. Honestly. Yes. So Isabelle, just. The food is so good that I don't care if someone is like this has a monkey with them at the table next to me. Like, I'm going for the food.

[Trisha Paytas]

You get the wagyu. Okay.

[Tana Mongeau]

They have a hand cut rigatoni pasta.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh wow. And it is like a vodka pasta.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes, like red sauce, creamy. It is the best, best pasta in Hollywood.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that sounds so good.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, I think I'm starving.

[Trisha Paytas]

Actually. Moses makes a good rigatoni too.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, of course he does.

[Trisha Paytas]

I swear we'll do a pasta one. That was so easy to bring that pasta. That's gonna be so easy to just go up there.

[Tana Mongeau]

I can't wait.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it.

[Tana Mongeau]

Was it good?

[Trisha Paytas]

And that was like a new recipe. That's a sponsored recipe. What? I know. Well, that's why I had to tell him. I'm like, I was gaining so much weight and I like love pasta. I'm like, can you just do half? Like you'd put the whole thing of pasta in my bowl and I'd eat it all.

[Tana Mongeau]

I was like, well, Trisha, I loved this. I love you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. We're gonna take all calls next episode. But I love this. I love that we again we get into like this like this state. I know people are like. But again I feel like because we're both writing books, just get sick of hearing about the past forever. Because it's like until mine comes out, then your comes out, it's just be gonna be.

[Tana Mongeau]

And like, truly, I don't think that we would almost have a desire I guess to have this show if we didn't go through all of the things that we went through to feel like we can use them to help all the girlies out there. Because that is what that is one thing you and I. Well, amongst many things that we have in common where it's like knowing that there's a 23 year old girl maybe watching this and if we can save them from dating someone in an age gap or if we can let them know, know that you know what they're going through with their family gets better like and they'll find a new normal and just all of the things it's. It gives me purpose and I get to do it with you. And it's. We get to wear fun little teal

[Trisha Paytas]

dresses and giggle you know, like lingerie. I love it. That's what took me so long.

[Tana Mongeau]

And you got on top.

[Trisha Paytas]

I got on top of the not love line. That's my testimony.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. Go check out the Patreon to find out more.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're getting more salacious there. That's just my Patreon entry for the week. I'll just be like, okay, guys, here's how it went. I should have recorded one right after because I was literally so happy. I just like, oh, my God. That's why I, like, texted. You got cracked. Yeah. Just like, you have to not ask.

[Tana Mongeau]

No, I did ask, Jerry.

[Trisha Paytas]

I am that friend.

[Tana Mongeau]

I'm so sorry. No detail is too small. I want to know everything. Like that is who I am.

[Trisha Paytas]

So funny. All right, maybe I'll give a little more story time on Patreon. All right, Love you guys. Good sleep is everything.

[Tana Mongeau]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Tana Mongeau]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Tana Mongeau]

that's O L L Y dot com.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love you guys. And we'll see you soon. And we'll see you in Vegas June 12th.

[Tana Mongeau]

Vegas, June 12th. Now begging now buy a ticket now. One night only. Once in a lifetime performers swinging. Probably not swinging. Please come to the show. We love you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I.