A (1:39)

But, like, get you a girl who, like, you're reading a DM from someone, like, being maybe away to you. And they're going, I'm blocking them right now. Like, not DMing them. Like, they're just blocking. She blocked for me. It was cute.

B (1:50)

We were in it together. But maybe we should wait and see so we don't start something like, yeah, Right. Anyways, But I blocked. See what happened?

A (1:56)

I don't think I've ever blocked in real time on a podcast.

B (1:59)

Right, right, right.

A (2:00)

And I just. I love it being. I love it being on the Patreon, you know what I mean? Because I. I can't block in real time on a. On a mainframe episode.

B (2:10)

I have, like, a lot to talk about and actually, like, a weird.

A (2:12)

Okay, I'm ready.

B (2:13)

Oh, God, where do we start?

A (2:14)

I feel like I'm on just Trish. I love this one. She, like, has a million things to, like, talk to me about, and it makes me so happy. It's funny because someone commented the other day on Loveline. My little bear.

B (2:24)

I love them. They're so cute. Well.

A (2:25)

Oh, I was gonna go on a whole tangent because never seen the movie Ted. Have you seen the movie Ted?

B (2:29)

Oh, unfortunately, yes. You're not missing anything.

A (2:33)

No.

B (2:33)

That's horrible. You love Ted. Who loves Ted? Oh, my God.

A (2:38)

I love Ted.

B (2:39)

Really? Oh, my God. I don't know how old. I guess way older than that. But I was awful. And all the boys in my school loved it, and I was just like, you guys are.

A (2:45)

Oh, my God. Wait, am I a boy? Am I a boy? I really thought it was, like. I thought it was universal.

B (2:53)

Have you watched it recently?

A (2:55)

Like, I kind of low key. Just watched Tattoo a couple months ago.

B (2:58)

Maybe Tattoo's better. I haven't seen Tattoo. Maybe it's a better.

A (3:00)

I was also stoned out of my mind, so I don't really know what I was into. Okay, so to be fair.

B (3:04)

But anyways, this reminded you of Ted or what?

A (3:06)

Yeah, but. Tana, shut the up. What were we just gonna talk about?

B (3:10)

We had traders, we had Pamela, and we had the flop Tropica Flop. What's the flop? Podcast.

A (3:16)

Oh, Paige's new podcast, Flopcast, which I love a flop. So happy for her.

B (3:21)

Yeah. I was like, so I love. I love podcasts. I have two. And I'm like, I want to start another podcast.

A (3:26)

Oh, that's what I was gonna. Is that sometimes I'll sit down, we'll do not love line our show together. And the top comment will be like, tana should go on just Trish. Which I always find to be so funny because it's like, theoretically, the only thing that's changing is the set.

B (3:38)

It's us walking two feet over, two.

A (3:40)

Feet down the hall to have the exact same conversation that we would have here. But I think it's cute. Obviously. I always want to go on just.

B (3:46)

Trish, this is Giving Jester. She's wearing pink.

A (3:48)

We're in a Just Trish energy today.

B (3:50)

I'm, like, going away for the somewhere. If I know ahead of time, I always ask Tan. I'm like, can come do an episode of Just Trish? Because I know I'm gonna be going away, and I need an episode for that, too. So we'll do a not love line, and then we'll just do the exact same thing. But I will say that there is.

A (4:01)

A different energy to doing Just Trish. I think it's because it's where, like, you and I kind of began. Like, where our everything began. And it does. It does feel more official. The whistle. Like, something about Loveline. You. We always talk about this. We act like three people watch it when, like, there's literally so many people that we love so much watching it.

B (4:16)

Right.

A (4:17)

But like, Just Trish. I know. I'm like. You know what I mean?

B (4:20)

Yeah, I feel. Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't know. There is a different energy. This is very also. We do this for a long time as opposed to when you come on just, like, a couple hours. This one is like, we're here for literally 10 hours, locked in, ordering five meals a day.

A (4:33)

Yes. And, like, sleepover vibes in the regard that, like, the delusion, like, even right now, this is. This episode's coming out, like, next. Yeah. But this is, like, the third one we've shot today.

B (4:42)

Yeah.

A (4:42)

And, like, I'm delusional. Like, I'm scared of the. I'm about to say on today's episode. Yeah.

B (4:46)

Well, luckily, the categories are. Which I love.

A (4:48)

I love.

B (4:49)

That's how I was getting on the last one. I was like, oh, my God, we're recording. Anytime I'm with you, I always think that I'm like, am I being too. Because with you in, like, irl off the camera, I'm always just, like, sharing everything. Even if I'm like, that's what. And I just don't want to share everything. And then we do that Loveline. I'm like, am I?

A (5:02)

We. You. We bring that out of each other. I think we will. Like. And you and I both have that thing about us where we can trauma dump as, like, it's nothing.

B (5:09)

Right.

A (5:09)

Like, you're talking about a chicken sandwich, but it's like, something horrible that happened to you when you were, like, 18.

B (5:13)

Yeah.

A (5:14)

And, like, we bring that out of each other.

B (5:17)

Like, wait, what? Back up. Yeah.

A (5:18)

And we just keep going. Like, we don't even. The Patreon. We Were just doing that.

B (5:22)

Well, we like, okay, Traders, you're not. You're not fully caught up yet. But, like, we were talking about what made us talk about Traders on Patreon. We were talking about something and you're like, I have questions. Oh, yeah. Someone was like, trish, did you know you're on Housewives Season 8? And I was like, I didn't know.

A (5:34)

Yes.

B (5:34)

And that was.

A (5:35)

And I love Lisa Rinna.

B (5:36)

And then I love. And I was like, I love Lisa Rinna, too. I watch Traders. My biggest pet peeve is when people aren't traders. And, like, I have no idea who any of these traders are. Like, people always say that. They're like, I don't know any of these people. I'm like, that's so rude. Like, shut your mouth.

A (5:48)

Say that. In general, I always talk about that. That, like my least. And I don't have least favorite fan interactions. Okay. So don't. Don't play me what I'm saying sounds like you do.

B (6:01)

Have least favorites.

A (6:02)

I'm fighting with myself. My last just came off. I'm fighting with myself. Oh, my God.

B (6:08)

Is it magnetic? What's happening?

A (6:09)

No, it looks. It feels right.

B (6:10)

It's not coming off. Oh, wait, maybe. No, No, I don't think so.

A (6:13)

Whatever. It's my right eye. It's far away from the camera.

B (6:15)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (6:16)

I don't.

B (6:17)

But it's when.

A (6:18)

It's when a mom comes up and they're just telling you 100 times that they don't know who you are.

B (6:22)

Yeah.

A (6:22)

And by the 50th time, it's like, it's okay. You and I are both gonna be okay. Yeah, you've 30 times that you don't.

B (6:27)

Know who I am. Who you are.

A (6:29)

And the first 20 are fine. But it's like when someone keeps, like, do it repeatedly, like, repeating that, they don't.

B (6:33)

Fine one is like, then don't come up to me. Like, I don't know what to tell you. I have the fan come up to me, not you. I hate it so much. Jacob Lor said that on the Gwyneth Paltrow interview. She's like, oh, my daughters love you. He's like, it's always, my daughters love you. It's never, I love you. And it's like, so real. And then she's like, you're right. And it's so true. And I find myself doing that sometimes, too. Like Carrot Top, for instance. I'm like, my mom loves you. But, like, I love you. That's why you're Here. So it's like, yeah, you don't need to say that. You know what I mean?

A (6:55)

Saying I don't know you to someone's face I think is irrational of, like, their humanity. You know what I mean? It's like, well, I'm still a human being that you're talking to. You're saying it to my face.

B (7:04)

It makes me so mad. I have no idea who you are, but my daughter is like, I get the sentiment, but, like, tell your moms, don't do that. Because it's so. That's the only thing I don't. That's the one that bothers me. Like, I like anything else for me.

A (7:15)

Like, I can understand that. I think it's just, like, it might be a little awkward for them. And the first time is fine. It'll always be like, the older mom and she'll have the Lady Dior bag or, like, the floral tote. And then she's like, almost. She reminds me of the mom in White Lotus where it's like, everyone's like. Like, just like, I just. I don't know who you are. I just. I don't watch Tick Tock. And then it's always this whole tangent about, like, how they hate the Internet. Like, as if you're like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates and like, you created the Internet. And it's like, I just got to make a living, ma'.

B (7:44)

Am.

A (7:45)

Like, it's like. I feel like the 10th time, it's like something always.

B (7:51)

Or like, you know, people see people come up to you and be like, I don't know who you are, but everyone's coming up to you. What do you do? And then you're just like, I don't know, I'm on the Internet. Like, this is a whole thing.

A (7:59)

And I say the weirdest to people because I don't think there is a way to describe what I do in a few words. Like, for a while, I would just look people dead in their face like, I'm a. Like, which at the time, I was. So it worked, right? But, you know, it just like, how do you. I don't know. I think you and I, you relate to me on this. There's no way to explain what we do in, like, 10 words or less.

B (8:20)

Yes, I agree. And so back to the trainers. It's like, why they're always like, How did we get here?

A (8:31)

So back to the traders, it was a. The back to the traders was the friends we made along the way.

B (8:38)

Okay, the male figure skater and the girl from Love Island. They both were like, I don't know who anybody here is. And it just, like, pisses me off so much because, like, I will say I don't know half the people on Traders. I watch Survivor, Big Brothers. I never know who anyone is. But, like, one. It's, like, so rude to say because you're. You're at the same level as them because guess what? Most of the people don't know you. I don't. I didn't know the male figure skater and I did not know the Love island girl. And I was like, so no one really knows each other unless you're Lisa Rinna. Like, that's it. Like, she's iconic, but everyone else is. Like, how the hell would you know anybody else?

A (9:07)

And is there also, like, some. I don't know, like, Traders? Obviously, the entire premise of the show is, like, playing the game. You're playing the game, and all of these shows have that in common. Survivor, Big Brother, like, whatever. You're playing the game. It's a social game. It's a physical game. It's all of the game. If I was invited onto Traders, I would kind of, like, do some research into, like, big game players of big shows and stuff.

B (9:27)

How would you even start? Because there's like 50 seasons of Survivor.

A (9:30)

Oh, my. I love Survivor. So I'm like, you love Survivor? Yes, I love Survivor.

B (9:34)

I did something that has to do with Survivor.

A (9:36)

What?

B (9:36)

I didn't know you love Survivor like that.

A (9:38)

Did you? Please tell me that you were in the same room as Jeff Probst.

B (9:41)

I don't know who that is.

A (9:44)

I was like, wait, maybe.

B (9:46)

No, I don't think so. I don't think I was. It was so Survivor coded and everyone's like, what? Do you watch Survivor? I was like, no. They're like, well, you're doing a really good job for not watching Survivor. I was like, yeah, I have no idea what the.

A (9:56)

You can't talk about it on the pod.

B (9:58)

I can tell you off.

A (9:58)

Okay, tell me off, because I'm curious, but that's okay.

B (10:01)

I would never think of you as a Survivor person.

A (10:03)

No more than anything I've told you. I think that my life's dream is to go on Survivor. I'll be off by episode two. But, like, I'm obsessed.

B (10:08)

I. You can't, like, post make Taco Bell or anything. I know, but I would.

A (10:13)

I just want to. I think it's so camp. I. I love Survivor more than anything, but Big Brother I've never seen. But, like, if I was going to go On Traders, I'd be like, okay, who are the goated big brother people? Who are the. Because you'd want to. You'd want to hope that. Because so much about that is studying people's gameplay. Right. So it's like. Like, I don't know. I would want to know the different ways that different goats of those television shows play.

B (10:35)

Yeah.

A (10:35)

Their game.

B (10:36)

In theory, it does sound right. It just would be like a ton of research you have to do. And, like, how could you even guess? Like, yeah. How do you know if it's gonna be Johnny Bananas or someone. Someone knows? Like, I don't know. I don't know. Yam yum. I love yam yam now, but it's like, in never in a million years do I think to Google a yam yam. You know what I mean? Like, someone that one Survivor, you know?

A (10:52)

What's Johnny Bananas?

B (10:53)

Johnny Bananas. A survivor.

A (10:54)

I'm thinking of Johnny Fairplay. Oh, Johnny Bananas is the challenge.

B (10:58)

I'm thinking of Johnny long curly hair.

A (11:01)

Yes. Well, I just found out. Johnny Fair plays lore. Do you know what he did in his season?

B (11:04)

No.

A (11:05)

Can I tell you really quickly? Because I'm obsessed with it.

B (11:07)

It's diabolical.

A (11:08)

I'll be really quick. He's. Johnny Fair plays in one of the earliest seasons of Survivor. He comes on the show, he's playing, and, you know, obviously, it's like a manipulative game. And about halfway through every season of Survivor, their family comes on.

B (11:21)

Okay.

A (11:21)

And to, like, to come see them out on the island, and it's very emotional. And, like, whatever he had planned with his family member to, like, if I make it to the family part and you come out, I'm gonna have you say that grandma just died, like. And so he cries and he pretends that his grandma just died to, like, win him emotional points in the game to keep him in the game longer. And then he gets voted off and his grandma's alive and his grandma comes to the finale and, like, he faked it all. And, like, people, like, he was one of the first Survivor, like, people to do, like, some nuts.

B (11:52)

I feel that's like, you can do that, right? That's like, is that house?

A (11:54)

Yeah. But people didn't respect it. Definitely. Like, people were like, johnny Fairplay is one the craziest liars of the game of surreal.

B (12:00)

I feel like lying about your grandma being dead is crazy, but, yeah, she's.

A (12:04)

At home watching, like, it's wild.

B (12:06)

She's in on it.

A (12:07)

I don't know. Yeah, she wasn't in on it. Okay, well, she said she.

B (12:11)

Was she still alive?

A (12:11)

I'm probably now. No. This is a long time ago.

B (12:14)

I don't even like speaking anything to existence. I mean, everyone will eventually die, so it's not like blaming him, but I think that is a crazy thing. Yeah, but he would be great on Traitors for that reason.

A (12:21)

Yes.

B (12:22)

Because there was a trader. I forgot her name. She would always, like, lie to. She was one of the traders with Caroline. I can't think of it. She was on Survivor. Danielle.

A (12:31)

Yes, yes, yes.

B (12:33)

Oh, she's from Big Brother. Okay. Yeah. She was like. She was such a liar, too, but I was like. But I think that's, like, the whole.

A (12:38)

Point I respect, especially on Traders. It's in the name I respect. I respect the gameplay. I'm not gonna lie. Like, I. Yeah, I. I feel like if I went on a show like that, I would want to be, like, shiesty about it. You're like, the goal is to win.

B (12:49)

Like, oh, my God. You and I go on and we just, like, murder each other.

A (12:52)

Oh, my God.

B (12:53)

I'll just be like, oh, my God. She had to go. We can mur.

A (12:58)

Like the black widow brigade of Survivor.

B (13:00)

Yeah, but like you said, you have to, like, respect it for sure. But I would, like, keep you to the end. I feel like keeping girls. The end is, like, so important, but then I would like.

A (13:06)

And I think that across every. That is the one thing that all of these shows have in common, in my opinion, is that men come in with bronze and ego and women come in with the way women are and, like, it's emotionally intuitive. Yes. Just. And, like, that's why you see in so many seasons of Survivor and other shows, like, the women make it to the end because they're playing the long, emotional game with these men who are just like, I could lift this. Yeah.

B (13:29)

What was the last season? I forget who she was, too. She was in the top four, and she guessed every trader wrong every single time. She never once was with the group. She was always guessing. Was she a housewife? I don't know. Literally never talked on the show. Literally guessed everybody wrong and made it to the very end in one. I was like, who the. What the hell did you do?

A (13:45)

Maybe that was, like, intentional.

B (13:46)

I love it. MJ from Shots of Sunset 2 on the previous season. She was the same way. She, like, didn't participate in any challenge. She made it to the end, and I was like, I kind of love this.

A (13:53)

You have to have been on a previous show to Be on Traders.

B (13:57)

No, because there's like a comedian on this year.

A (14:00)

I'm manifesting traitors.

B (14:02)

Michael.

A (14:02)

Mike. I would do it.

B (14:03)

Media. I feel like I would do it in a heartbeat. Same. Absolutely.

A (14:06)

It'd be so fun.

B (14:07)

I don't know if they had social media people would love and, you know, there's always like two from whatever thing you're on. There's two ice skaters on this season. There's like multiple housewives.

A (14:14)

Like Dylan.

B (14:15)

I would love Sam Ashgar.

A (14:17)

Oh, that's true. Like, just normal personnel. Oh, my God. Traders, Please have me and Trisha.

B (14:21)

Oh, God, I would love.

A (14:22)

We're influencers. We're both influencers. Podcasters.

B (14:25)

I feel like I was a game player. I was on Big Brother, so I can consider myself social media. But, you know, they always say, like, oh, we keep the game players around. And I'm like, oh, I'm a game player. Even though I quit after like 12 days. But I'm like, oh, that's you.

A (14:37)

Were you're you On Big Brother, though, is like the most iconic thing ever.

B (14:40)

Like, I literally just laid around the whole time.

A (14:41)

Paige and I reference it all the time, though, like, to go on and just like, I don't give a. Was iconic.

B (14:45)

Yeah, I really were.

A (14:46)

The people in the house, just people.

B (14:49)

I was just, like, really mentally unwell. This is 2017 and mentally unwell. The people. I really didn't know anybody. I mean, not to be that person, but it was all, like, British people. And I, like, did not know. The culture shock was such a shock to me. And it's. It's really the food. There was like, no food. I mean, I was starving. It was giving Survivor. I could not. It wasn't even beans in the house. It was like they didn't have lace potato chips. They had something else that they're not called Lays. They were like, literally the worst.

A (15:13)

And they had a.

B (15:14)

That pizza challenge. I was so hungry and I wanted to leave.

A (15:15)

And then that's my favorite on Big Brother fully. I'm sure you both know this, Devin and Meg, but they said, you can either stay in the game or we can give you one cheese pizza. And Trisha Paytas said, I want the cheese pizza.

B (15:25)

Yeah, you put yourself up for a limit combination. And I was like, which it's so funny because I just said all I want is a pizza. Because they were trying to get me to stay. Like, we have to make it a challenge. So I was already like, give me that pizza. But everyone else, they had to, like, offer to anyways. Traders. I love it. I do think there should be no. Truly. You know, I say this as a joke in real life that there should be no straight man allowed, but I really think in Traders there should be no.

A (15:44)

Who's the annoying white guy? What is his lore?

B (15:47)

Spoiler alert.

A (15:49)

No.

B (15:50)

No.

A (15:50)

He's. No.

B (15:52)

Well, you know, do it.

A (15:53)

He's gone, obviously. Is he a traitor?

B (15:55)

He's. No, he's just.

A (15:57)

Yeah. Oh, my God.

B (15:58)

Yeah.

A (15:58)

That's what I was gathering is that he's not a traitor, but, like, he needs a muzzle.

B (16:01)

Yeah. And literally everyone at the elimination was like, I don't really care if you're a faithful trader. I just want you out. Like, just go. The yelling is so wild disrespect. Like, straight guys on there are always, like, weirdly homophobic, even though it's a very queer show. And I'm just like, this is. It's just like I. Even if it's underlying his whole thing, this last one was like, he. He said something about Colton keeping secrets, and Colton was like, I feel offended by it. And then Michael's like, well, you shouldn't be offended. And then Lisa, Lisa, we're now coming to the rescue and being like. But he. He was offended. So, like, apologize. Like, it's like so annoying when guys are like, it's a hard intended. It was giving what we talked about in Patreon, but we won't say who, but it was giving that. Like, yeah, sorry, that's not what I intended. Well, I'm telling you what it was. Yes.

A (16:40)

And just like, people who think that yelling automatically means they win an argument are like the dumbest people to walk the planet. It's like you lost before you even opened your mouth because of your decibel. Like, just like, like, and how people make it to the prehistoric age and they still think that that is like, the way to operate through life. It just. But I understand that there. But yelling should hold power. Like the. The occasional times that you yell in your life. It should. If you're just always yelling. It's like muscle and.

B (17:09)

No, I would have to argue too, that, like, I. No one really listens when you're, like, quiet and calm. People listen just so much. As someone who used to be a yeller online. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like people just listen to me more when I'm just like, like, collected and I like, collected myself and like, let me get these thoughts out in a normal manner. Cuz if you're screaming, people are just like you said it's like this just, like, noise. It's like. Like stop. Like you're. I don't know. It's so much worse.

A (17:30)

Where did you.

B (17:31)

Where have you caught up to?

A (17:33)

Where? I'm on. I'm on episode like three.

B (17:35)

Or like you binge them.

A (17:37)

I had to binge. I do, but I'll stay up all night and you know how that goes. I've told you Grey's Anatomy. I just.

B (17:41)

For 20 seasons of Grey's Anatomy, but.

A (17:43)

Not for five episodes because it was ruining my life and it was already like 3am last night. So I was like, I have to just stop and resume tomorrow. I have Loveline tomorrow. I have to care about my life. I'm really bad with, like, binging all media at once. But I'm obsessed with Lisa, Rinna, and Rob as traders. That's all I know. I, like, weirdly ship them like when they were playing chess.

B (18:04)

Oh, people love Rob. He's the. He's the Love Island.

A (18:07)

Yes, yes. She loves her.

B (18:09)

You love everyone. Everyone is so crazy for him. That Dorinda. I don't know if you watched the last one, but Dorinda was like, oh, I like that because he's like, shirtless and the new one underneath overalls. Yes. Yeah, you love. You love him.

A (18:19)

She loves. I like, Okay.

B (18:21)

I don't know.

A (18:21)

I see that he is like. I see why people are attracted to him. Like, he's good looking. You know what I mean? But I feel like on Love island, like, he's. He's a player. But I mean, people also just might want to, you know, I don't know.

B (18:33)

Yeah, that's probably. Yeah, the reasoning, I would assume. But I. But I also, like, he does not have a personality.

A (18:39)

Oh, he's a great personality.

B (18:41)

No personality. Okay.

A (18:44)

I was gonna say, yeah, he was really problematic.

B (18:47)

I don't love the personality in the Traders. It's giving, like, thank you so much to Kickoff for sponsoring today's episode of Not Loveline. Hannah, if you had an extra $2,000 laying around, what would you be doing with it right now?

A (18:58)

I really want a new media console to go underneath my television, so I think that's what I'd spend it on.

B (19:03)

Well, what if I told you if you had good credit, you could get that console because you'd be saving over $2,000 in interest fees.

A (19:11)

That's right.

B (19:11)

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We love you, Kickoff. It's giving like Dylan Efron where there's like, yes, you're good looking, but to me there's like nothing there. And everyone's just like, goo goo for him. And I'm like, I get it. He's like the most att. He looks like Colton, though. Everyone hates Colton. He looks like Colton to me. They look the same. They were saying next to each other at breakfast or whatever. They were like right next to. I'm like, they literally look like identical to each other.

A (21:48)

Like why people hate Colton.

B (21:49)

Yeah, yeah. There's the discourse. I know all about the worst person ever.

A (21:57)

Yeah.

B (21:57)

I don't like him either and I'm ready for him to go, but so far he has knock on. But I do love traders. I heard they're going to mix it again where they're going to bring like, like famous people, I suppose, and like, what do you call non fans? Civilians. I don't know what you call them. Like this regular people. This season is just civilians. Yeah.

A (22:16)

I honestly think it's really cool that they're doing that because it's. I don't know. That's even why I love Survivor. You fall in love with these normal people with these normal stories. And like people fighting for the money also means so much more.

B (22:27)

Like that's true. That's true. That's a good point. You know, but at the same time.

A (22:32)

Seeing like, like iconic people that you've watched on like a bunch of different things all come together like traders is so cool because it is like a randomizer, blunt rotation of like people, you.

B (22:42)

Know, what are they all doing here?

A (22:43)

Yes.

B (22:44)

Together.

A (22:44)

And it is just like, oh, my God, I would freak. The like, being a trader would be so fun. But the secret so crazy to me.

B (22:51)

Do secrets? No.

A (22:52)

I think I could, but I think I would like be having a panic attack. Like when they had to like light something on fire and like check behind the thing in the kitchen. Like the conga line in that episode.

B (23:01)

Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, that was. Was. But that's kind of fun. I know what you mean. Like that the public murderings. That's like a little crazy.

A (23:07)

I just feel like everyone was like, let's do a conga line. They'd all be like, right then and there, they'd be like, okay, you're the traitor.

B (23:12)

That part is true. Because, like, you never want to stand out as a traitor. But then Lisa Rinna, not talking enough. They were like, Pamela Anderson. Did you see her on. In Cohen's podcast?

A (23:20)

I saw her saying that she was at the Golden Globes and that Seth Rogen just, like, didn't acknowledge her.

B (23:29)

She said, yeah, they, like, walked past each other and I guess he won for. What's that show? The studio. The studio. Oh, I started that, but he produced her and, like, came up with the whole. He and starred in yes.

A (23:41)

Pam and Tommy.

B (23:42)

Yeah, the. The. Yeah. And she was like, this is. And it's interesting because she's talked about not liking it when it came out, and she's still talking about not liking it and seeing Seth Rogen. And she's like, I feel like I. And you would think you make a whole series about someone. Imagine is like, like, go up and talk to her. Maybe he knows she didn't like it. But in that case, not to bring it back to the DM on Patreon, but, like, pull that. Even though it's, like, a sorry excuse to be like, oh, I didn't, like, mean for it to, like, for you.

A (24:06)

And also, you're still a person. And also even just, hi, Pamela.

B (24:10)

That too. But, like, you know, fan. Because I made this whole movie about your life without your permission. You know what I mean?

A (24:14)

Just really think about the dedication. It takes a TV series, like, to, like, make, like, if right now I, like, made a TV series about something, someone's whole life and, like, starred in it and put it out. And then, like, they didn't like it, and I saw them, I would still be like, hey, like, I studied you in your whole life for so long to play this and profited off, like, the worst thing sad because Seth Rogen, like, I just, like, I want better for. I want better for him. I want him to act better. I don't know why.

B (24:39)

I've always thought, you can clock. I've always felt some type of way about him. Everyone, like, loved him. And it's not like anything, like, bad. I'm always just kind of like, I don't know about this vibe. And then with the. With the Pam and Tommy thing, I really did get the. It officially from him because I'm like, that is kind of. It's like these people are still living and they're not making, like, any money. You're not consulting them because she Even I think she was on some interviews.

A (24:56)

Also true. The money. The money aspect. I think even if I liked how everything was portrayed, if someone made a TV series on my life and I am just alive and well, I'm not even on my way out. Like, I'd be like, hey, I have bills.

B (25:09)

I have bills. Or even Pam's very much very noble and, like, not taking money from, like, she won the lawsuit for her sex date and she, like. Like, she'll donate the money she doesn't like wanting because she needs, like, blood money. You know what I mean? I don't want any bad money, but donate on behalf of PETA. She loves PETA.

A (25:23)

You know what I mean?

B (25:24)

Or, like, you're her kids or something. You know what I mean?

A (25:26)

Yeah, I think I agree.

B (25:28)

I'm with you. Give me that money because it's about my life. But to not, like, consult her or anything like that, I think it's just. And then to see her at the Golden Globes where you're equals and everything, it's just like, you can go up to her and you can at least, like, you said, hello, thank you for letting me use your life. She's, like, stealing it from you.

A (25:45)

I don't. Obviously, I do not know Pamela Anderson at all. I just, like, wear her hairstyle every day to, like, target and then worship the ground she walks on and frame photos of her and put them in my house. I love her, but, like, I just feel like, parasocially, like, my. Very obviously parasocially, I love Pamela Anderson, but I just feel like she's done all these things now and her career is absolutely thriving. Like, there could have been a world where that could have been water under the bridge for her and Seth Rogen. And that's what I would want.

B (26:13)

I just wanted to apology. Like, that's what she wanted. She wanted apology. And these men just keep over and over just, like, treating her like. Which is like.

A (26:20)

So I'm having this just realization lately, though. Like, even in my own life with people, I just don't know how to explain it. Like, I don't know if it's a Hollywood thing or if it's just a societal thing where, like, everyone is me versus the two words, my bad. Me versus my bad.

B (26:37)

Yeah.

A (26:38)

Like, it's just like, why is it so hard for people to literally say my bad? People will do everything under the sun.

B (26:48)

Yeah.

A (26:49)

And this isn't even just in reference to Seth Rogen and Pamela Anderson. I genuinely mean, like, but just. I see it all the Time where it's like, I'm watching people actually obstacle course jump through every hoop, American ninja warrior style before they're saying, my bad.

B (27:04)

Yeah.

A (27:05)

Why is it so hard for people to do that?

B (27:07)

Like, power and like being like, I'm sorry. Because guess what? Once you apologize, there's nothing else. There's nothing else you can do. A lot of people just want an apology. It feels good when you say it, but you can just say I'm. The words, I'm sorry. It feels. Yes. Good.

A (27:20)

Because it's like dumbing it down to my bad because that's like less even. Even that was like, I'm sorry's the goal. But people act like that is saying like, you know what I mean?

B (27:29)

Admitting no wrong at all is like, it's. It makes you look like a crazy person to the outside world. Because it's like, what do you mean? Everyone is being like, this is wrong. And you're just like, nope, I'm. If you're always a victim, as someone who was always a victim at one point, like, you know, you're like a. You're. There's something wrong. You're like a little unhinged. You're a little unwell.

A (27:45)

Like, you know, and just like, don't you want. Like, I think I spent. Obviously. I always talk about just my. No one raised me and it took me a long time to learn things. Like, I learned things a lot later in life. And I do think that when I was younger, I was a me versus my bad type of person. And then when I discovered the life hack that is apologizing, I was gagged by it. I was like, this because it's. It also feels good. It's like it's the only chance at redemption. Because if you're not apologizing to someone for hurting them or for certain things, they're going to harbor resentment. Like, there's no growth there. Like, no one's going to look at you any differently because you're stuck.

B (28:20)

Yeah.

A (28:21)

Right where you were. Like, it is. It's just so beneficial for everyone. You know what I mean? Anytime in my life where I've like, just been like, I'm really sorry that I did this or that I hurt you or that I. Whatever. Like, I felt lighter. I felt.

B (28:35)

Because you're like, taking accountability. That's all you can do. You're like, I mess messed up. And like, this is all I can say right now.

A (28:39)

Yes.

B (28:40)

Because you can show over time you're a better person. But like, and saying it right at the Moment is like, at least it's like a step. And then, like, then you.

A (28:46)

Yeah, that's the first step in showing that you're. Because if you cannot just say my bad or you cannot just say I'm sorry in life, you are literally not taking step one to, like, being the better person. And, like, how do people also just sleep at night knowing, like, I hurt someone and, like, I'm doing nothing to alleviate it?

B (29:02)

Like, just a lot of men get away with it. Like, I'm thinking of the Seth Rogan thing, and I'm just like, he is so loved. He won a Golden Globe. I'm just like, what? It. It doesn't matter to him. He got money. He got that. Even that show got, like, such high acclaim because who was. It was Sebastian and Lily. Who was. Who's playing Tommy Sebastian, Stan and Lily. Lily. What's her name?

A (29:24)

I don't know their name.

B (29:25)

Lily James, I think is her name.

A (29:26)

I think it was him and Tommy.

B (29:28)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're both, like, huge stars. And it's just like, that got such high acclaim and like, the fact that she's very openly speaking out about this. You would think you would be.

A (29:36)

And, like, just. I'm sorry. Like, it's. It's like, literally, I'm so exhausted lately with just how much I see where people are just literally doing the whole wraparound.

B (29:46)

Yeah.

A (29:46)

Like. Yeah. And just like, oh, my God. People put themselves through so much uncomfortability and lack of growth and regression and all these things in life by just, like, moving through life taking no accountability. And, like, as I get older, it really is the, like, bane of my existence. Yeah. Like, even just with friends, like, little things that could just be so little, people end up, like, things end up blowing out of proportion because it's like someone just needed to say my bad.

B (30:12)

I know. And the people who can't. It's the most frustrating thing to have people in your life who can't, like, admit when they're just, like, a little wrong. I know you're a little wrong. No, they can't. Like, there's nothing they did wrong is insane.

A (30:21)

Yeah. It's one thing when you're younger. I guess it's just like, as I'm getting older, I'm like, wow. Some people die never saying the words, just like, my bad. I mean, my parents were very like that too. So I guess it's like, always been ingrained to me to, like, that accountability is such a vital part of change. And you don't always have to agree you can say, like. You know what I mean? Like, I wanted to do that thing, and I didn't know that it was good. Like, two things can be true. You know what I mean? But just making someone feel seen and making someone feel heard is such an important part of being a human being.

B (30:54)

Yeah. Like, knowing you hurt someone and being like, oh, well, let me. Those two words can go such a long ways. I feel like anyone that I'm not fully, like, I wouldn't say healed, but then I still have, like, a little bit of trauma or resentment to at least are the people who are like, never said I'm sorry to say sorry. Wine's like, it's so great. You said. The workaround of it all is, like, you can say so many things and then just never say that's all you want.

A (31:10)

Yeah.

B (31:11)

You have to let it go because someone says, I'm sorry. Okay, fine. Let it go. I mean, you don't have to forget. You don't have to forgive, but you just, like, move on.

A (31:16)

Yeah. It's just a step for everyone in the right direction. I just think that, like, I don't know, I want to say I'm sorry. Any chance, like, if I ever do anything to hurt someone, that's the first thing I want to do. Because in my mind, it's the first, like, path to growth and the path to mending and the path to, like, whatever. And people really just. People will go to the Olympics before they say, my bad, actually.

B (31:37)

So true.

A (31:37)

It's, like, insane.

B (31:38)

Well, she also talked about trying to deliver pickles. She made a pickle jar for Tommy Lee, and they were rejected. They were refuted. Yes. She tried to give it to him, and he's like.

A (31:48)

They were set back, take the damn pickles. Tommy Lee.

B (31:53)

They asked her straight up. They said, you know, would you have a better relationship if his wife wasn't in the picture? And she's like, yeah. She goes, she is the one that hurts our relationship. And that's why she can't talk to Tommy, is because. And she. We're gonna get in trouble. She's like. And Pam never talks about her like that, but it did kind of, like, open up a lot of people's eyes. So she never really talked, and you didn't know, but then you're just kind of like, oh, damn. You know? And she can get it. He's trying not to, like, make any waves with his wife because I wish we would have had a relationship. We'll always be connected because their son is getting married, and She's. We'll have to see each other at, like, the wedding and stuff like that. But she said she.

A (32:23)

She said she misses him and, like, oh, my God. It just. I. I know every intricacy of the Pam and Tommy story in the most parasocial way possible. Like, I know every. It pains me.

B (32:34)

Yeah, same.

A (32:35)

But I will say that I love Pamela Anderson's approach to. Like, I was talking about this with Mokoa, weirdly, the other day, about how, like, just because we were. We were having a conversation about how some people go through their lives, and they're like, I don't want to get married again, or, I don't want to get married. The divorce rate's so high. I don't want to. Whatever. And I literally referenced, like, Pamela Anderson to me as being like, I love the fact that she literally will be like, I don't care if I get married a thousand times. That's how I felt in that moment. I was so in love. I will never let the last person cause me disdain. And, like, the next thing, I will never, like, carry it into life is about love. Life is short. Like, her approach to life being short and love being so important and forgiveness being so important and all these things are like. Because arguably, I think that if a lot of people lived Pamela Anderson's life, I think that if I lived Pamela Anderson's life, I would harbor so many resentments to the media, to men, to everyone, literally everyone. Like, she was so on until this era of her life, and then she just floats through it with, yes, oh, so much grace.

B (33:35)

That's, like, one thing I wish I could have from her. No, she. She's like, the realist. I love her so much. I will, like, go.

A (33:41)

It's so crazy because I just saw Britney Britanni Furlan. I just saw her.

B (33:48)

How you say it like that?

A (33:49)

It's because she calls me Tana. I. I saw. Saw that she. I'm kidding, by the way.

B (33:55)

Okay.

A (33:55)

I'm not still mad about that. Just thought it'd be funny. I saw that she put over the restraint, the Ronnie rad key, the whatever.

B (34:04)

That is, restraining order on him. And then he put one right back on her.

A (34:06)

Yeah. And it's like. But now she's back with Tommy, question mark.

B (34:10)

They've been together. They got back right away after that scandal.

A (34:12)

They were like, no.

B (34:13)

Yeah, they've been, like, together. So I don't know why they brought this all up again.

A (34:19)

And I don't want to act like the Haley bieber therapist on TikTok assuming that I know what's going on behind closed doors. Okay.

B (34:24)

Because I don't. That's a good point. But it was a little unhealthy.

A (34:28)

It looked unhealthy, in my opinion.

B (34:30)

It was also. So she came back. I think everything's fine. And then she came back. I was like, nope, that's actually Ronnie Recky. So she came back to, like, double down that it was him. She's like, nope, that was him.

A (34:39)

Oh, it wasn't a catfish.

B (34:40)

Yeah, she was. That's him. And I'm gonna prove it. She's, like, commenting on people's tick tock. That's like, you just wait until you find out who it was. We're gonna prove who it was with IP address, and it's gonna be him. You guys are all gonna be shook. And then Ronnie Rackey's girlfriend was like, like, you DM'd me, weirdo. Like, stop. Like, leave us alone. Because then Britney, like, DM'd her. Like, you don't know what you're talking about. Whatever. It's just like, they both have restraining orders on each other. It's just like, just leave each other alone, you know?

A (35:02)

And I'm just imagining Pamela, like, trying to walk in the house and be like, hey, so when are the kids gonna do this? And then, like, all that's happening, like, that's. And again, not to. I don't want to go Haley Bieber, therapist. I don't know. I just said it.

B (35:14)

She said that she doesn't have a relationship because of.

A (35:15)

Yeah. Which is just like. That sucks.

B (35:18)

Yeah. I mean, it's hard not to be insecure. I suppose if your husband was once married to Pamela Anderson, that's hard to compete against. Yeah. I think that's why you can't compete. You have to just be friends. You have to just be friend with it at this point. Be like, oh, I would love if my. If Moses married Pamela Anderson. That'd be so cool.

A (35:35)

That is so true.

B (35:36)

It's such a flag. So it's like, damn, you're with Pamela Anderson. That's pretty.

A (35:38)

I was thinking about that the other day. Oh, my God, I'm so parasocial. Seriously, someone get me a muzzle. But Pete Davidson's wife just had their baby, and, like, she's been making tick tocks and, like, they're super sweet and, like, her tick tocks are, like, so cute and just, like, very humanized and whatever. And I was like, how cool is that for her to be like, Kim Kardashian right?

B (36:00)

Oh, African.

A (36:01)

But, like, I also need to shut the up.

B (36:03)

No, I know what you mean. No, but. But I'm with you. I'm with you. I think it's like if my ex was with Ariana Grande and Kim Kardashian and then you. That's how I feel. Like Haley and Justin. Right. Everyone would compare. Like just Selena or whatever. Whatever. Selena Gomez. No, I'm not saying whatever to her. I'm just saying, like, you know, people can compare that relationship. At the end of the day, I always think, well, you won, you married, you got married. You know what I mean? She married Pete. She got the baby with Pete. Not saying he is the prize necessarily, but I'm just saying, like, there's no. I think that's it. There's no.

A (36:32)

Yeah, like you would think that that could be the. The idea towards the Pam and Tommy thing, but I mean, maybe he just. Tommy is. Was a cheater. You know what I mean?

B (36:43)

Yeah, I think that's been confirmed by him. Yeah.

A (36:45)

Yeah.

B (36:45)

He was like, y.

A (36:46)

You know, I'm trying to be like, as not messy as possible about this and them saying everything so lightly. It's like, shut 10. You're still being messy.

B (36:53)

What do you think about people who were with, like, Pete Davidson was with Cassie David for like a very long time and then broke up? You know, Larry David's daughter.

A (37:01)

Oh. It was like his first relationship.

B (37:03)

Right.

A (37:03)

And then she wrote a memoir.

B (37:04)

Yeah. And they were like, really serious. And then they broke up. And also he's like, with Ariana Grande and it's like, I think Jason Momo is in the news recently because he was with his new girlfriend on the carpet. He was with Lisa Bonet for 20 years. They have two kids together. And he has a new girlfriend. Friend of like two years, I think it's confirmed, or a year and a half. And he called her the love of his life. Thank you so much to Ro for sponsoring this episode of Not Loveline.

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B (40:04)

He's like. They asked him to comment, like, oh, what about your girlfriend? He's like, this is the love of my life. And people were. I'm a little bit of a Jason Momoa apologist because I really do love him. I have like a weird. Like, you know, I do love him. Like, but. But people were like, that's crazy to say when you were with someone for 20 plus years and have two kids. Kids. And to call this new person you've been with a year and a half, the love of your life is wild. Or.

A (40:25)

No, I don't.

B (40:25)

I mean, I want to know.

A (40:28)

You know, what I relate this to. Of my life. And it's. It's very. It's a small relation in. In the grand scheme of the things that you just said, but I think about this often. I was with Mod sun for like a period of time, and then he popped out engaged to Avril Lavigne. Like, and, like. Right. It was shortly after.

B (40:45)

Shortly.

A (40:46)

I don't. I'd have to literally Google it because I was drunk.

B (40:49)

Are you being like a bit month?

A (40:50)

No, no, no, no. But like, within the, like, same year or something. And I grew up on Avril Lavigne. She was my first cd. She was like, my first. I love Avril Lavigne. You know what I mean? Like, and the world loves Avril Lavigne. Like, if anyone is putting Tana Mongeau and Avril Lavigne on a thing, like, people are picking Avril Lavigne. Obviously, she's the goat. She's that. Whatever. And, like. And then they, like, were engaged. You know what I mean? I just dated this person for a long time and, like, we didn't get engaged. Like, you know what I mean?

B (41:17)

Yeah. And.

A (41:17)

But all I was was like, like, happy. Like, I really was. Like, she's a icon and you're happy and like, you guys deserve this. And, like, you know what I mean? Like, I also do believe, like, I don't know how to put this into words, but, like, sometimes, like, in those situations where someone's with someone for 20 years and then they meet someone else and call them the love of their life, like, maybe they are. Like, maybe. Maybe, like, just.

B (41:40)

It sucks with, like, I. I kind of know what you're saying. Okay. Right. Because people will be like, I was with a guy 10 years, and he's said, who's the. Who's the other comedian who does this? Don Mulaney was with his wife for, like, 15 years, and then, like, she wanted kids. He didn't. That was like, their whole thing. And then, like, literally, like, left her, and then, like, has two kids now with, like.

A (42:00)

That's just.

B (42:01)

Oh, wait, what?

A (42:02)

But that's because. That's because he's, like, standing 10 toes down on. I don't want kids. So, like, your only takeaway from that is going to be like, well, you just didn't want kids with me. You know what I mean?

B (42:12)

I think that's where it was. That's where. When you were saying, kind of made me think of. That is like, look, I think it's disgusting. I hate that. Like, and for, like, wasting a woman's time, I think that for sure.

A (42:19)

Yeah.

B (42:19)

But what you said kind of resonated with me. That is like, no, he didn't want to be married. He doesn't want to be married to you because you weren't the love of his life.

A (42:26)

Oh, I guess I get. But imagine. Oh, I thought he was married to both. Like, I thought he was married to one for a long time. Married, then married the next one and then said, you're the love. She's the love of my life.

B (42:35)

Jason Momoa.

A (42:36)

Yes.

B (42:37)

I think they're just dating.

A (42:38)

Oh, then that is, like, a little fierce. Yeah.

B (42:40)

Yeah.

A (42:41)

No, no, no. So was the 10 year he was married or dating, J was like, 20.

B (42:46)

Years with Lisa Bonet.

A (42:48)

Married.

B (42:48)

Yes.

A (42:49)

And then went to the next one and said, like, she's the love of my life.

B (42:51)

Yes. They had two kids together.

A (42:52)

This episode, just me trying to figure this out for 20 minutes. Sorry. Like, I'm computing slowly. But think about right now, if you were with someone for, like, 20 years is a long time.

B (43:04)

I don't know.

A (43:04)

I'm, like, starting to understand your side that, like, more. But, like, if you were with someone for a really long time, but then you met Moses, this, like, you'd be like, this is the love of my life.

B (43:13)

I think it's right. I think there's two so many things in play. One, they're a public couple. Lisa Bonet was, like, way more famous than Jason Mo when they got married. Their love story is really cute. Jason Momoa was, like, obsessed with her on TV and was like, I'm gonna marry that girl. Like, he was always just, like, love of my life. Like, love her. They have kids together. It's public. I Think a lot of people were like, it's okay to like feel that, I suppose. But like, you don't need to say it. Like, why to say that on a red carpet. Like a little disrespectful to like Lisa Bonet, who like everyone. She's like a Pam to me too, where she is like an icon. She was the hot girl from the Cosby Show. She is that girl. Like, she is, you know, like everything about her and it's just like. And, and I do love Jason Mo. So this is saying a lot coming from me, but it is, it gives a little ick to be like, okay, but we all loved you as a couple, right? Like, yeah. I don't know. It's. It's. It's giving. Yeah.

A (43:54)

And then you have to also wonder if spite comes into play because you see that a lot too, where it's like, did him and Lisa have this crazy falling out? So then he gets in this new thing and he's just being like, well, she's the love of my life.

B (44:03)

Would you be crazy? He is like 50 not to age. Shame because I'm old, you know, whatever. But a crazy thing for like an almost 50 year old to be like, let me, let me spite. And the girl is a lot younger. Lisa Bonet was 12 years older than him, I believe. And this girl's about 15 years younger.

A (44:17)

Yeah.

B (44:18)

Or 12 years maybe.

A (44:19)

So I don't put it past people still. You see men, you see people at their big old ages doing the most 18 year old all the time.

B (44:26)

You're right. You're so right.

A (44:27)

I don't. That's just. That's. I guess all things like that are situational, you know what I mean? Because like I do believe that, that like you have your soul mates in life and you meet them and it. That some people meet them at a later time, some people meet them after long relationships. Some people like, you know, you might like, yeah, if I was with someone for a very long time and then met Makoa, like I would be, you know, Makoa is the love of my life. And I knew soon in. But like there also are lines of like respect and being. Doing the right thing.

B (44:56)

I think 20 years, two kids. I think like, you can't, can't call anyone else's love of your life publicly if like. Yeah. And messy. And you're like f that person, like, whatever. But I think it's just like a crazy thing. And if this looks bad optics wise, we're like, we all love you, Jason. Momoa. He seemed just so wonderful and great and like, you know, and as. As a fan, like, the biggest fan, I named my son Aquaman. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, no, like, you.

A (45:19)

Know, who is this new girl? What does she do?

B (45:22)

She was in the island movie. Island, right? Island, yes. It's called.

A (45:29)

Are you talking about Blink Twice?

B (45:30)

Yes. But it was okay. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy. I was like, she's always quick to say, I love Island. Such a better title. I love that title.

A (45:42)

The island for like. Like, if I ever have a convention again, like, I'm calling it Island. Like Fire Festival's next competitor Island. I'm sorry.

B (45:50)

I love it. I love that movie so much. And she. She was in that. I think she's, like, slated to play the next Wonder Woman. Like, she's pretty. Yeah, she's very pretty. She's younger than me. I think she's like 33 or something like that. They've been public now for a year. They met on a movie a few years ago while he was allegedly still married. I don't know. There was, like, speculation there.

A (46:11)

All you can do is hope for all these people, right? Because, like, I just, you know, you don't know and you hope it's good.

B (46:17)

When I was talking about running for Congress, one of my things was, like, to make it illegal for anyone to do adult content until they're 25. And I feel like that should be. See that for being an adult, really, is to wait till you're 25. Like, everyone considers 18 the magical number. I really think we should at least 21. At least till we're out of those teens. You know what I mean? And 25, that is so weird.

A (46:35)

Like, that. Like, who made that law? Like, who just decided, now you're an adult at 18. Why not 17? Why not 19?

B (46:41)

Probably the military, probably like Lincoln. They need people to go to war in, like the 1800s. Like, we.

A (46:45)

That's so true. And like, now we're in a completely different society where being 18 does not mark the. That you're going to, like, fight for the country. You're not going to war. It marks all these, like, other things that are sexual and substance abuse related and just alcohol related and substances and different.

B (47:00)

Like, you can't drink alcohol T21, but you can get, like, basically by like a 59 year old, you know, it's.

A (47:06)

Like, which is so true. Like, why is that Is so true?

B (47:11)

Did you see? Did you see? Before I forget, do you ever do the Glam Bot.

A (47:14)

Cuz you've been on JLo's glam bot with the contour. I've been waiting for some. Wanted to ask you about this.

B (47:19)

I.

A (47:20)

And I haven't made any content about it. I've been harboring all my thoughts. I'm literally so excited. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.

B (47:26)

More people not talking about this. Like, I know it's like somewhat viral, but like, why is more people not talking about this? Like, it's so, so weird. I, I am like, I love, like I, I like, I go back and forth like love, hate from JLo. You only hear bad things about JLo. But then you see her in like New Year's Eve, just like she's looking so fierce in Vegas at her residency with her kids and you're like, oh, we love her again. And then she like this. And you're just like, what the is wrong with you?

A (47:48)

I think that like two things can be true. Like she and I love saying two things can be true. Forgive me. It's like my stim always. But she's an icon, right? Like, she's done a lot of iconic things. People love Jenny and her block. Like the people love JLo. I'm not saying that, but obviously everything that you hear in the media is one thing. I also will say that I personally like, have heard so many stories like from people who like have worked for or with her. Oh, like, like, you know what? I'm from a lot of people, so.

B (48:18)

It'S kind of everybody has. I have one from American. I have horrible J. Like everyone has a horrible jailer story.

A (48:22)

Yeah. Which is kind of just like funny. There are like those people in Hollywood that like you can walk in a room of like 50 people and everyone has the story about and there's a handful of those people. And I just. What I don't understand. I guess there is a certain level of celebrity where people just don't give a right. But if, if everyone was like, Tana Mongeau spits on me and tells me I have to look at the floor. I'd be walking into places, mouth open, ready, suck the fart out of everyone. I would be so overly nice trying to overcompensate for that because I would care that people thought that of me. So the Glambot thing I just found to be so interesting. You know, you're being recorded. This is the perfect opportunity for you to rewrite certain ideals about you and, and mind you, all you have to do. It's kind of the Same thing as my bad.

B (49:07)

Yeah.

A (49:07)

All you have to do is say, hey, how are you?

B (49:09)

Make eye contact. And I acknowledge.

A (49:12)

I think glam bots in general are very dystopian in. I really. Actually, I'm going to go on record and say, like, I'm not really into it. I get that some people serve. I've done them. It's like, have you done one? I've done a glam bot.

B (49:22)

Wait, can I see it right now? I love glam bots. I'm obsessed with glam bots. Is it hard to bring up? I just. I need to see it.

A (49:26)

It is.

B (49:27)

Why have I never seen this?

A (49:29)

I. I don't know.

B (49:30)

I love glam. I love bad glam bots. I love good glam bots. Like, I will never do it. Mark my words, I will never do a no.

A (49:37)

So the camera comes at you 100 miles per hour, like. And it is. It's so. That's my glam bot.

B (49:42)

Oh, wait.

A (49:43)

And it's just.

B (49:44)

Wait, this looks AI that. You look beautiful.

A (49:46)

Whatever.

B (49:47)

Oh, I love. What was your movement? What did you do?

A (49:49)

Nothing. Cuz I was so scared. I was so scared. I was like, I'm not moving for my glam bot because I don't even want people to have that. I literally just stood there.

B (49:57)

I said, I kind of love this is me. It's just you face.

A (50:00)

No. And you walk up. It all happens in under 30 seconds. Like, it's being told to you so fast, they're like, all right, this camera's going to whip at you. And then at the third second, you.

B (50:08)

Have a second yours. I. I believe so, yes.

A (50:10)

And like, it's just the whole thing, whatever. Even like Joey Kings, the way people were so cruel, cruel, evil about Joey. And then she went back to do another one. I'd be like, you end this entire orchestration.

B (50:24)

I love that she went back. She's like, I need. I need to redeem myself, you know?

A (50:27)

Yes, I guess that's true. But it's like feeding into just. It's so black mirror to me, the whole thing.

B (50:32)

No, it's awful. People are so mean. They do it to Crystal, so. And they like, hate Chris Olsen for doing the glam bot. And I'm like, he's just. He literally looks fine. Everyone's like, his are the ugly. He likes it too. He's like, I know everyone hates my glambot, so I'm gonna keep doing it or whatever.

A (50:42)

It's like, what a mean thing. That's people essentially just saying they, like Hate you.

B (50:46)

But that's literally it. Because he looks fine. He looks normal. The Joey King one was just funny because, like, it did look like she had, like, no teaser. It's like, funny. I get that, like, Chris Olsen's literally just existing. He's doing what you did, which is just, like, smiling. And I was like, him. The worst one, and what I will.

A (50:58)

Say too, is in the red carpet environments that I've been in for Glam Bots, you're. You're doing the red carpet thing. You're walking down the. And like, it's kind like you do each thing. You know, you do this interview and then you do this interview, and then you do this and your person's walking you or whatever. And then you get to the Glam Bot and you're just like, it's hard to, like, skip it. Like, I don't know how to explain it, really.

B (51:20)

I, I, I don't know how it is. I envision it's like in the corner and you have to, like, go. That's like a thing you could do if you wanted to, but you have to do them basically. Like, it's part of the way I.

A (51:28)

Felt was like, okay, I'm next. You know what I mean? Like, Alex, like, it was like, yeah, like, it was a line. But, like, it mine, at least where I was the PCAs, like, it was a narrow line. I felt like, okay, I'm doing it. Like, you know what I mean? I don't know. I guess in every place. It's probably set up differently and it is optional, which that is. What's funny about JLo's is it's like, for her especially, like, you can pass on that. Like, you chose to do that and then you didn't say hello.

B (51:52)

Her people were like, this is a good look for you. And then she just, like, ignores everybody around. Just like such a.

A (51:57)

No one had a synthetic stippling brush in their pocket. Yeah, no one had, like, sorry. I almost, like, did my contour all funny like that. Like, and I would never make fun of someone contour. Yes, I would. Whatever. But it, like, it's only because it's like you literally, like, didn't acknowledge a human being and it's on camera.

B (52:22)

That part is crazy. Even, like, thank you. Like, especially if you did it. It's such a silly thing. It's like, not that serious to be like, oh, thank you. Was that good? Like, even Taylor Swift, who's like, the biggest, right? She does that, this thing and whatever. And even then she's like, thank you. You just, like, giggle. You laugh because it's such an awkward thing. And it's like, what the.

A (52:37)

One of my biggest pet peeves in life. This is on my list of pet peeves. Like, top 10 easily. When someone says thank you and someone does not say, you're welcome, I don't know why. Like, like, if, like, like, say thank you to me right now.

B (52:50)

Thank you. That's weird, right? Why did.

A (52:53)

Why that's so weird.

B (52:56)

Like, you're right.

A (52:56)

Like, I, like, naturally, if you said thank you, I'm going to say, you're welcome, like, for sure, and just vice versa. Like, I really hate it. I used to be such a about it. Like, when I was younger, if I said thank you to someone and they didn't say anything, I would, like, keep saying thank you. Like, because I, like, I'm just like, how are we? Thank you. I thank you. Like, how are we societally? If someone speaks to you in small talk.

B (53:18)

Yes. Like you.

A (53:20)

Yeah. Or just like, if someone says, like, okay, do this, you say, okay. If someone. Like, I think it takes so much more weird, weird effort anytime in my life where someone has spoken to me. Granted, I never shut the up, but where someone has spoken to me, it takes more effort to not speak back. Like, you know what I mean? If someone, the glam guy's saying, like, okay, do all this. Like, it would take more effort for me to be like, right.

B (53:42)

Or just completely ignore. Like, yeah. Or at least someone's supposed to say thank you. You could say thank you. You know something? I don't know.

A (53:47)

Something.

B (53:47)

Yes.

A (53:48)

Like, don't you just feel weird not acknowledging other human beings and especially in my position, too? I think, I think I. I acknowledge people more because I never want someone to feel like, oh, she thinks she's too blank to acknowledge me. So I don't know.

B (54:03)

There's zero. There's zero excuses for that. And it's just like, you're not Mariah Carey.

A (54:06)

And he's like, what? He's so nice. And everyone knows the glambok guy and he's so cute.

B (54:11)

He's so nice. He stands out like you. Even if you thought it was just like a generic pa, which you should, like, be nice to, obviously. But he looks like somebody, so, like, why would you not? He's obviously on the carpet. Like, be nice. Like I said, you're being filmed. So I remember, like, even, like, wicked when you're trying to get people. Like, even if people have no idea who I am, like, I was literally standing with like an iPhone and like this, like they're still gonna be nice because like everyone's recording, so they're not gonna be like, what the.

A (54:32)

And you know, I just thought about too is the glam bot. But I mean, it gives me anxiety. I'm sure it doesn't give JLO anxiety. Like she's done everything but like, whatever. Even if you're like, okay, I really have to lock in and I really have to serve and like, whatever. Then afterwards, yeah, like, even if you wanted to ignore all the sentiments, get it done because you were like stressed about how it would turn out in people's percept, then afterwards it's like, oh, thank you. You know, like, I don't know.

B (54:56)

I love that he posted it though. That's like 30 million. Yeah, I like when people do funny glam bots. I think it was at SNL 50. All the SNL people were doing like silly ones and stuff. And I like, I like that too. Have you seen a Marcelo Hernandez's new special?

A (55:06)

Yes, I watched it twice. No, I love stand up comedy.

B (55:09)

Wait, really? That's so.

A (55:10)

I watch it twice.

B (55:11)

Him. Like, I knew nothing so bad.

A (55:13)

I love him. He's so funny.

B (55:15)

So funny. I saw him on. It was Brittany Brosi's Royal Court and I was like, oh my gosh, I love. Then I saw him like I everywhere. He's doing press with like his mom for some reason. Yeah.

A (55:22)

Cuz the whole special is about like his mom and like how she raised him and growing up in their household.

B (55:27)

And all this he brought her with.

A (55:28)

I know. The stories are so funny too. Like the.

B (55:33)

So funny.

A (55:33)

It was. The special was so good. And at the end he like, I loved his whole. He like really spoke up about ice and about immigrants and how his family was immigrants and like, and he was in Miami and he did it where he was from and he just like, he was also being so funny. Like just coming for white people. Like being like, you guys are the ones who keep kids in your basements. Like, that's like the real.

B (55:53)

And I was like, so real. What you see on the news, like keeping all these like kids like in the basement locked up. Like, yeah, you like.

A (56:00)

I don't know how to explain that. Marcelo Hernandez, to me it feels like Pete Davidson passed the torch.

B (56:05)

Oh, interesting. See, to me, I like Pete Davis was never on my radar. Marcel Hernandez is like, yeah.

A (56:09)

And here I am everything but like almost just like the snl like, funny guy. Like, I feel like his first girlfriend too. Like when Marcelo Hernandez Pops out with the person he's dating next. It's literally gonna.

B (56:22)

You see, you like, she's like, super smart, right? She's like a scientist. I think that's what I was reading.

A (56:25)

I was gonna say that I totally expected him to, like, be with, like, I don't know, like, Ariana Grande or like someone like. Like just super hot. But that girl is so much cooler. That makes me like him even more.

B (56:37)

Oh, she's like an artist. Maybe. I'm trying to think. She's. It's something. Oh, she builds furniture. Duh. Moses builds furniture. Me just be so parasocial. I saw it on my tick tock and yeah, Braille's furniture, which I thought was. It's a really cool furniture. Really cool.

A (56:48)

Like, that makes. That's like. Makes him even more like. I. I thought he'd go, like the super baddie a list route.

B (56:54)

Yeah. And I feel like he could. I feel like everybody would, like, love him. Like, people wanted to bring a carpenter to be with him.

A (56:58)

Yes.

B (56:58)

That.

A (56:59)

That was what I was trying to think of, like, who the people wanted. But I almost. I do like that. That he's just like, no, I'm gonna find, like, a good girl. I love it too.

B (57:05)

Moses showed me furniture on, like, our first date. It was so weird, but I was like, work, I love.

A (57:09)

No, I'm like that.

B (57:10)

You see something here. I was like, love this. It was like an oak tree in the middle of a room. And I was like, okay.

A (57:15)

I love that though.

B (57:16)

He was so proud of this oak tree that he had to get in, like, freaking, like, I don't know, Malaysia. They had, like, Carrie at Mel Gibson's. Son was like, chopping it down. And it's like a blessed wood. And I was like, this is so.

A (57:25)

I love Moses. Like, just. That's so iconic.

B (57:28)

Yeah, he's. He's everything. Went to an art show like, a week ago for the first time in, like, forever, because that's his, like, friend group. And it was all these, like, really, like, a list people Moses is friends with that. All of a sudden I'm like. And they're like, hey, Moses, how you been? We haven't seen him since he had long. I was like, what the hell? And why I tell you, if I told you the names, like, off camera, I was just like, what the hell? Like, he would tell me here and there. Like, he'd be in these conversations. He was like, yeah, right. Okay. Whatever came up. He used to watch our kids. I was like, what is happening?

A (57:53)

It's Actually, really double life, though.

B (57:55)

He, like, doesn't care about any of that, too, which is kind of cute.

A (57:57)

Yeah. But I love that you went, because I feel like on past episodes, we were talking about just incorporating more of our men's lives into our life, because our lives are so big that it's very easy to.

B (58:07)

Yeah, you know, he. He. He said he, like, you know, I want to want to go to this opening of this art show. And I was like, he never wants anything. And I was like, done, done. And I even got glam. I was like, let me get glam.

A (58:16)

Oh, my God, I love that.

B (58:17)

Yeah. And I was just so glad I did because it was all these bougie people. People.

A (58:20)

But that's so fun, though.

B (58:21)

But I do feel with Marcelo Hernias, I do feel like he is, like, hope for snl, because SNL just came back this. Did you watch it with Finn Wolfhard?

A (58:29)

I haven't yet, but I know that Bowen left, right. I was sobbing at that clip of him leaving.

B (58:35)

Oh, my God. That was, like, the saddest thing.

A (58:37)

It was Cher, right?

B (58:38)

Cher and Ariana. He's just like, I loved working here. I loved it, like, and everyone loved him. And I was like, that's it. That's the end of snl, because that's the only time I was tuned in for it. But then Marcelo Hernandez this past weekend, I was like, oh, he really does David. Even sketches. He's in for, like, one second. There was, like, a boy band sketch that was, like, awful. But then he came in at, like, the last, like, minute, and I was like, he makes.

A (58:53)

And he's just so funny. Like, the special really had me, like, dying.

B (58:57)

That's the thing. I actually don't, like, stand up. And I loved it. Like, I hate stand up. I'm like, that's not funny. Nothing's funny. But I liked Robbie Hoffman stand up, too. Okay. Robbie Hoffman and Marcel. Those are the two people I like. But everyone else, I'm like, yeah. I was like, wait.

A (59:09)

But I love that. I love. Because you know me, I'm always sitting.

B (59:11)

Like, I love that male comedian, and.

A (59:13)

I'm happy that we have one.

B (59:14)

Yeah, yeah. No saying that. Some thing. I feel like it's a. It's a, like, one we have.

A (59:18)

Because, yes.

B (59:18)

Even, like, Annie Sandberg never did it for me. Jimmy Fallon never did it for me. Like, no one really does it for me. Like, the Adam Sandlers. Just Adam Sandler. I was gonna say other people, but I was like, not Rob Schneider, not David Spade, but. But yeah, I'm excited for that. Anyways, that was a whole. I don't know how we got there.

A (59:31)

But there's no idea how we got timeline.

B (59:34)

So I guess I'm like, Marcelo Hernandez. No, he's everything say not to be that girl, but, like, when I was on snl, he was, like, super nice to me. When we did the rehearsals and we had to, like, go up on the stage to say goodbye as he, like, gave me his arm, he's like, oh. He, like, ran back to be like, let me escort you.

A (59:45)

Oh, my God.

B (59:46)

It was really cute. And I was like, oh, my God, you're so cute. But you did like, 20 or something.

A (59:48)

You can tell he's, like, a good person, though. You know, I just like, it's. And I thought his whole take on, like, having parents from a generation that, like, don't believe in mental health and stuff was so, like, funny and relatable because it's so true. Like, everyone wants to erase that, but, like, that's so true. Like, growing up, like, you know, that's how my parents were. Like, you don't have an ADHD shut.

B (60:08)

I love that bit too, because he did that on SNL with Pedro Pascal, too. And then I think he does it in his other stand up. And then this special. I love that too, where he's like, he. He's not depressed. He loves the darker. So, like, I can never do jokes, but way better than Dane Cook or any of these people. And thank God he's dating someone. Like, that's like, normal and cool and age appropriate and we love all that. I mean, he is young himself, But.

A (60:25)

I'm really excited to take a call and we love your calls and we will be. We just haven't seen each other in a month, so we've been doing a lot of catch up, but a couple days ago, but. Yeah, yeah, before that.

B (60:34)

Yes. Yes.

A (60:36)

Yeah.

B (60:37)

We're seeing each other three more times this week and we'll still be.

A (60:39)

We'll get to some calls, talking and.

B (60:40)

I got this Crocs couch today. Thank you. Crocs show. No. Ooh.

A (60:45)

What about a Not Loveline leopard croc? That's what we need.

B (60:49)

Yes. With our Gibbitz as our face. One of these has my face on it and I feel like that's.

A (60:53)

I love Gibbitz, by the way. It's Gibbitz.

B (60:56)

Oh, my God, there's Trish Jibbitz that they put on there.

A (61:00)

Wait, this is incredible. I've been asking her for a haul all day and she's finally giving me.

B (61:04)

A little Elvis and Barbie one.

A (61:06)

You're lying show.

B (61:07)

And then I have a pasta one on my foot.

A (61:08)

The. The butter noodle croc is everything.

B (61:11)

Everything. It match the pajamas. Your mom.

A (61:13)

Wait.

B (61:13)

Oh, my God.

A (61:13)

The Elvis. Wait, I need these. My new bit is just acting like I'm the most brand safe person on planet Earth. I'm manifesting like Crocs. Yep. Dr. Pepper sponsorship. Croc sponsorship. I want it all.

B (61:24)

It'll be okay. This microphone and you. We love you guys. Thank you for calling in and we.

A (61:30)

Love and even calling in for advice sometimes even if we don't get to your call, like, just wanting to help yourself and being vulnerable and sharing the thing is always a great, great step in the right direction.

B (61:40)

If you need a number and you're like, I don't know, to call.

A (61:41)

Yes. We love you so much and we will talk to you guys in the next episode.

B (61:46)

Bye.