BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND: SIMON HUCK - Not Skinny But Not Fat

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Podcast Summary: Not Skinny But Not Fat – BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND: SIMON HUCK

Release Date: April 29, 2025
Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Simon Huck

1. Reintroduction of Simon Huck

In this highly anticipated episode, Amanda Hirsch welcomes back Simon Huck, a beloved recurring guest, "by popular demand." The conversation kicks off around the [06:05] mark, highlighting Simon's enduring popularity and his ongoing relationship with the podcast.

Amanda Hirsch [06:00]: "One of my favorite people is on the pod today. Is back on the pod today by popular demand."

Courtney Kardashian [06:08]: "Encore. Encore. No. I love you so much."

2. Personal Lives and Family Dynamics

The discussion delves into Amanda's recent experiences in Florida, her family life, and the challenges of balancing work with parenting. She reflects on the importance of making memories with her children, a sentiment echoed by Courtney.

Amanda Hirsch [04:30]: "But it was just so nice. It was so nice to make memories with the kids."

Courtney Kardashian [07:08]: "He got a sense of humor. Who canceled?"

3. Business Partnership and Lemmy

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the business partnership between Simon Huck and Courtney Kardashian in running Lemmy, their supplement brand. They discuss the dynamics of co-leading a business, the challenges they've faced, and their strategies for growth.

Amanda Hirsch [51:03]: "I'm operationally in the business. Like, Courtney's the face of the business. She's also in the business, but I'm like, a co-CEO of the business."

Courtney Kardashian [53:19]: "She's always right. I'm like, you were right about."

4. Social Media Strategies and Branding

Simon and Courtney share insights into their social media strategies, emphasizing the importance of product quality over mere celebrity endorsements. They critique the trend of celebrities starting brands without a genuine connection to the product, advocating instead for authenticity and efficacy.

Courtney Kardashian [62:36]: "It's the product. Yeah, exactly."
Amanda Hirsch [62:58]: "Consumers are. They’re not going to try it twice."

5. Navigating Cancel Culture and Pop Culture Phenomena

The trio explores the impact of cancel culture on celebrities like Lindsay Lohan and Julia Roberts. They discuss how public perception can drastically shift and the resilience required to rebuild one's image in the entertainment industry.

Courtney Kardashian [29:04]: "But I will say that to me, it's a cultural phenomenon to see the universe rally for someone."
Amanda Hirsch [31:22]: "It's a perfect storm of so many different things."

6. Parenting, Lifestyle, and Personal Choices

Amanda shares personal anecdotes about parenting, including her experiences with her dog, Lenny, and the importance of maintaining a work-life balance. The conversation also touches on lifestyle choices such as diet, exercise, and the use of supplements to support health.

Amanda Hirsch [11:08]: "Yes, but I really do think vacations or being in different place, maybe it has to do with change environment."
Courtney Kardashian [20:09]: "Yeah, yeah, I work out every single day."

7. Future Plans and Business Growth

Looking ahead, Simon and Courtney discuss their ambitions for Lemmy, focusing on sustainable growth rather than quick sales. They emphasize building a strong brand foundation and fostering genuine customer relationships.

Amanda Hirsch [52:07]: "The goal is to grow the business and, like, find a home for it."
Courtney Kardashian [52:51]: "Money isn't the biggest motivator."

8. Reflections on Collaboration and Friendship

The episode concludes with reflections on the balance between business and personal friendships. Amanda praises Courtney's ability to remain calm and supportive during business challenges, highlighting the strength of their partnership.

Amanda Hirsch [51:03]: "But it has been amazing. It's been amazing."
Courtney Kardashian [54:27]: "We separate the conversation. She never asks about Lemmy in the same breath that we're having a personal conversation."

Notable Quotes

Amanda Hirsch [06:03]: "We had to do a redo. He had to come back."
Courtney Kardashian [16:50]: "You think she was actually having a glass of sun sour at dinner, you know?"
Simon Huck [22:02]: "Nutrafol is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand."
Courtney Kardashian [62:24]: "It's the product. Yeah, exactly."
Amanda Hirsch [51:19]: "She's always right. I'm like, you were right about."

Conclusion

This episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat offers an intimate look into the lives of Amanda Hirsch, Courtney Kardashian, and Simon Huck. Through candid conversations, they explore the intricacies of balancing personal life with business, the importance of authenticity in branding, and navigating the volatile landscape of pop culture and cancel culture. Listeners gain valuable insights into successful business partnerships, the role of social media, and the enduring power of genuine relationships.

Note: Advertisements and sponsored segments were omitted to focus solely on the core content of the podcast episode.

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[00:00]
Amanda Hirsch
The following podcast is a Dear Media production.
[00:03]
Simon Huck
Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars.
[00:11]
Courtney Kardashian
From my very own podcast, where you'll.
[00:14]
Simon Huck
Feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, guys. Oh, my God. I almost moved to Florida. Like, Bethany Frankel, first of all, let's just talk about everyone moving to Florida in general. Like, are we not gonna, like, mention the unspoken, which is no stay tax. Like, oh, we move. Like, come on. You know, everyone makes up, like, reasons why they moved. And it's like, oh, you're all moving to Austin, Texas. Like, what a. What a choice, you know? And it's like, no state tax, which still. I'm not saying it's, like, easy to move to a different state. Like, you're still giving up. You're still like, like, I want to not pay state tax, but I'm not moving for it. You know what I mean? The people that actually make the move, and you're like, oh, like, you're, you're saving. You are making moves to save, you know? Know. So anyway, I don't know. Oh, because I was in Florida. I just came back. La, la, la. I'm still itching. My bug bites. Like, I don't know how people deal with, like, these amount of bug bites. Like, they probably, like, put up tiki torches and, like, have a whole system. I was spraying, like, the most toxic bug spray on me. Like, the bug bites. Like, what are you gonna do? But, but we're back after, like, 10 days, and I think I, I, I talked about this on an Instagram, but it was just so nice. It was so nice to make memories with the kids. I feel like only my sister will get this reference, but Kourtney Kardashian always says that. She's like, and we made memories with the kids. Make memories with the kids. Like, that's what I think about. But I finally get what she's talking about. Like, I made memories with the kids. Like, I literally made memories with the kids. You know, like, here there's a whole system. You know, Monday through Friday, Noah's in school until 3. I have help with Lenny during the day. Like, it's not the same as being together 24 7. And I definitely also, like, worked less. Like, there are moments where, yes, of course, I was, like, on email, on the phone, like, doing stuff, but I definitely worked less than when I'm at home. So there was that and there was being together all day, which really felt like, like, I really think, like, get all the help you need. Like, I'm not judging anybody, but I feel like you should be able to handle the amount of kids that you have. Like, takes a village, okay, but don't have a kid that like you couldn't handle. Do you get what I mean? Like, I do think that somewhere. So I love the feeling of like, okay, like I could handle two kids, like if I didn't have to work, like I could be with them all day. And sometimes like you want to. Because I, I think I posted this which was like, I just really feel like they, it does so good for them. Like you could have the best people around you. Obviously, like if it's your parents, if it's a nanny, if it's other help. But there's nothing like you being with them and just. It does so good for them. Or maybe it's just Florida. Like, maybe I'm just giving myself too much credit. It's like, oh, they just liked it in Florida. But no, I really do think vacations or being in different place, maybe it has to do with like change environment, like, you know, exposure. But like literally Noah started walking. I remember when we were in LA one time, which, which, which again was so different to have one kid. Like everything that I did, like Noah came, you know what I mean? Like then like I didn't have any help, it was just us and he had to come. Like I was breastfeeding until he was like a thousand years old. Not that I have traveled yet without Lenny, which is, you know, I can't even think about that. Actually. Huzz's 40th birthday is coming up and I did plan a trip for us alone. I was like, this will be like such a major gift to like be on vacation alone. We don't know what that's like. Like we've never done it. And no, it's going to be five, so I can't wait. It sounds like a far away dream to be able to travel on our own. But. But it'll be the first time. Any tips to like leaving your kids for the first time? Imagine I'm like, finally it is happening. Anyway, in the spirit of all the vibes, okay? Because we're in the vibes right now. In the spirit of all the vibes. One of my favorite people is on on the pod today. Is back on the pod today by popular demand. Honestly, he was on and maybe like two years ago and it's One of my favorite episodes, when people are like, oh, I want to start. Listen your pod. I'm like, no joke. Like, I'll never shove my pot in your face. But, like, if you want to go on a treadmill, you want to laugh, listen to my episode with Simon Huck. Like, it's one of my absolute favorites. So we had to do a redo. He had to come back. Plus, he loves to talk about Lemmy. Won't shut the up. But he really is, like, everybody's favorite person for a reason. Because he's fun and he's kind. He's Canadian and he's smart. Obviously, he's built this company with Courtney that he practically runs all Dizzle, the Millennial in me. Anyway, so he's back. He's back, and we had so much fun. So enjoy my episode, part two. And if you want to go back to part one with Simon to just, like, the first part that we did two years ago is, like, all about him and what he did and how he started, which is, like, hilarious. But now we're just, like, catching up, shooting the. And it's just the best time ever.
[06:03]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay, you guys, Simon Huck is here.
[06:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Again by popular demand from no. 1.
[06:09]
Courtney Kardashian
Encore. Encore. No. I love you so much. And last time, I was on the floor. By the way, if you guys want to see part one, swipe up for part one of me and Simon, because we told your whole story there.
[06:22]
Amanda Hirsch
We did.
[06:23]
Courtney Kardashian
Which, everyone, when I'm telling you, and I swear in my life I'm not a liar like you, when people ask me, what's an episode I can listen to, like, jump right in, get on the treadmill, I'm like, simon, that's so.
[06:37]
Amanda Hirsch
You said that after, and I didn't believe you. And that's so kind of still say.
[06:40]
Simon Huck
It till this day.
[06:41]
Amanda Hirsch
That's so nice. I told Phil that I was coming on today, and he. I hadn't told him before this morning, and he was like, who canceled?
[06:49]
Courtney Kardashian
He got a sense of humor.
[06:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Who canceled?
[06:52]
Courtney Kardashian
Was he serious?
[06:52]
Amanda Hirsch
He was being serious. Yeah. No, he.
[06:55]
Courtney Kardashian
That's such a you joke.
[06:56]
Amanda Hirsch
I know. It's also mean. Yeah, it's also mean. He was so serious about it. He was like, no, I didn't mean it like that. But, like, oh, my God, you didn't tell me before. And I'm like, okay, Ryan Reynolds canceled. Like, it wasn't me.
[07:09]
Courtney Kardashian
I mean, yeah, listen, he still pinned Ryan Reynolds.
[07:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. That was a great interview.
[07:15]
Courtney Kardashian
I know. You guys deal with it. Back to my reposting Simon Every time I post a story about things being sent to me, which, by the way, Simon, I do not post them all.
[07:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, that's not possible.
[07:29]
Courtney Kardashian
I do not post them all.
[07:31]
Amanda Hirsch
You post at least five frames a day. Thank you so much for the hair care. And then, of course, vitamins are your favorite.
[07:37]
Courtney Kardashian
Vitamins are actually my least favorite. I'll tell you why.
[07:42]
Simon Huck
Hosting them literally.
[07:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Do you.
[07:44]
Courtney Kardashian
What did I tell you the other day? I said that a big brand that does supplements.
[07:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[07:49]
Courtney Kardashian
Wanted to do a collab, and I firstly thought, if that would be okay with you. Yeah, no, if that would be okay with Simon.
[07:56]
Amanda Hirsch
And what did I say?
[07:58]
Courtney Kardashian
You said, oh, I don't care.
[08:01]
Amanda Hirsch
That's not what I said. You said I would block you. It's like, of all categories, you need to, like, Are you a wellness person?
[08:08]
Courtney Kardashian
You know what isn't tracking here?
[08:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Tell me.
[08:10]
Courtney Kardashian
Like, the Kardashians.
[08:11]
Simon Huck
Right?
[08:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[08:12]
Courtney Kardashian
Because let me. You do with Kourtney.
[08:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[08:14]
Courtney Kardashian
They do competitive things all the time and they don't care. Can you learn from them? Like, good American does the everyday. Panty that skims. Does the everyday.
[08:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[08:23]
Courtney Kardashian
I mean, I. I mean that, you know, everyday jeans. And she has bodysuits. The bodysuits.
[08:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[08:28]
Courtney Kardashian
They both do bodysuits.
[08:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[08:29]
Courtney Kardashian
They're fine with that.
[08:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Well, are you a Kardashian?
[08:31]
Courtney Kardashian
Are you? You're. You are a little bit. So learn from that.
[08:35]
Amanda Hirsch
So far adjacent. So far adjacent. Hence Phil thinking that there was a cancellation.
[08:40]
Courtney Kardashian
Phil asking if there's a cancellation.
[08:42]
Amanda Hirsch
No, not.
[08:43]
Courtney Kardashian
Well, we were also talking right before because Regina just mentioned to us that she saw our interview.
[08:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes. Love Red.
[08:51]
Courtney Kardashian
And I was like, I would never get a team.
[08:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Remember how anti team you were?
[08:54]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay, but I'm still anti in general.
[08:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, there's a publicist. I'm sure there's a manager. There's definitely an agent. There's not a manager who's doing glam and wardrobe.
[09:04]
Courtney Kardashian
Me and me.
[09:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Me and H and M. You're not pulling anything.
[09:07]
Courtney Kardashian
Not pulling.
[09:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow. Okay. But soon, in six months, there'll be a poll.
[09:10]
Courtney Kardashian
No. If I go somewhere big, maybe I'll, like, take a one off, you know, and. But no, but I only. I. I might have had an agent then, too. An agent. You need to do the deals. Pr. I didn't believe that people like me, like, needed it.
[09:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[09:23]
Courtney Kardashian
But I was in my year of yes, and I was like, could get me more podcast press. Sure.
[09:29]
Amanda Hirsch
And what about TikTok? Do you want to tell them about TikTok?
[09:31]
Courtney Kardashian
That I was against it. And then I started it.
[09:33]
Amanda Hirsch
No, you actually now invented the platform.
[09:34]
Simon Huck
I did not.
[09:36]
Courtney Kardashian
Regina actually forced me into it. Cuz she's Gen Z. She speaks that.
[09:41]
Amanda Hirsch
And how much do you love it now?
[09:43]
Courtney Kardashian
Do not love it. Really Actually secretly hate it.
[09:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Are you on it all day?
[09:46]
Courtney Kardashian
Not at all. I never go on it.
[09:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Do you have the login?
[09:48]
Courtney Kardashian
I do have the login.
[09:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, okay.
[09:50]
Courtney Kardashian
But I, but I, I some trends that I see. I'm like, oh, I like it. Like, I like the, like it's my anxiety. Which we are doing.
[09:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, Me and you. Oh, I can't, I'm terrified of dress.
[10:02]
Courtney Kardashian
We're doing it.
[10:02]
Amanda Hirsch
I do my TikTok days with Courtney and like.
[10:04]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh yes.
[10:05]
Amanda Hirsch
And I'm so, I'm cringe. I'm like a millennial dad. I can't get into it.
[10:10]
Courtney Kardashian
You think?
[10:11]
Amanda Hirsch
I think. I mean, Courtney's like, she's so good. She's like, no, you're perfect. I'm like, did you see me?
[10:16]
Courtney Kardashian
I think I love when you go out there and you do your content.
[10:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Let me days. We have one coming up.
[10:21]
Courtney Kardashian
You do? Do you like flying there for like work and stuff?
[10:24]
Amanda Hirsch
I don't mind. I used to go and spend three days and now I fly in for 12 hours. I literally go for the day and I take the red eye that night.
[10:31]
Courtney Kardashian
Why? What's so urgent for you?
[10:33]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, because I miss my dog and I miss my life.
[10:35]
Courtney Kardashian
You're a dog person and the gym.
[10:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Routine and like I just miss it. And I go twice a month, so it's a, it's a lot.
[10:40]
Courtney Kardashian
I did not see you as a dog person.
[10:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Neither did I.
[10:43]
Courtney Kardashian
Now you have a dog. I just FaceTimed you the other day and I was holding my precious baby.
[10:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, that you ignored your dog?
[10:51]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah, my dog. And, and I was like, hi, say hi to Lenny, who's the most gorgeous thing alive.
[10:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[10:59]
Courtney Kardashian
And you said, I think it's one of those things where because I don't have a baby, you're not like into the babies. You weren't into dogs before you found your dog?
[11:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, yeah, but I think that's the case with everything. Like I. No, I never cared about dogs before. Phil did a foster of this dog and I wrote him, I said, just so you know, this isn't gonna work for us if you keep the dog.
[11:20]
Courtney Kardashian
Then I wrote him like, science sealed.
[11:23]
Amanda Hirsch
The Lord because he couldn't bring the dog home. He took the dog to Montauk to our beach house and I. He spent like seven days there and I said, is it time to come home? He said, I'm gonna bring the dog home for two days. Within the first 12 hours, I was.
[11:37]
Courtney Kardashian
Does he shed?
[11:38]
Amanda Hirsch
No. Does my baby shed? No, of course he doesn't shed. He also gets a blowout once a week.
[11:43]
Courtney Kardashian
No, he does not.
[11:44]
Amanda Hirsch
The vendors for this dog is insane.
[11:46]
Courtney Kardashian
Wait, a blowout or a groom?
[11:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Like a. Like a. Like a mini groom? Yeah. And then what other vendors? Him. A little bit. I mean, he has a dog walker, and then he goes to dog camp every day. Like, he goes outside the city to, like, the fields of pizza.
[12:00]
Courtney Kardashian
He told me. Wait, not every day.
[12:02]
Amanda Hirsch
Every day.
[12:02]
Courtney Kardashian
What if he comes back with ticks? Simon?
[12:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, no. Well, he gets his blowout. No, he doesn't have ticks. And he loves it. He's just such a spoiled dog. But it feels so good to give him that love and attention.
[12:12]
Courtney Kardashian
But do you feel like maybe you. Because you were thinking about a baby?
[12:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, the baby. I know.
[12:17]
Courtney Kardashian
And now you replace it with this dog.
[12:19]
Amanda Hirsch
I had to. Phil wasn't ready. Phil's younger than I am, and I felt like.
[12:22]
Courtney Kardashian
And he's younger in spirit. Oh, like, he's a few years younger, but he's actually, like, spiritually.
[12:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Have you seen his Instagram upside down photos? Blurry.
[12:31]
Simon Huck
I.
[12:32]
Courtney Kardashian
Every time he does that, I'm like, remember? I do that. That's cool. But I've never done it because I'm not cool enough to even plan to do it. No, the horizontal, vertical, out of the frame. So you just see the thing.
[12:43]
Amanda Hirsch
It's sick.
[12:44]
Courtney Kardashian
Belts.
[12:45]
Amanda Hirsch
He called my Instagram embarrassing. He said, there's no vibe. There's no creative. There's no, like, point of view. I was like, hi, nice to meet you. Late into this marriage.
[12:55]
Courtney Kardashian
Wait, is he caring about his pov?
[12:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Pov.
[12:59]
Courtney Kardashian
Stop. Yeah.
[13:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. I'm like, bye.
[13:02]
Courtney Kardashian
Wait, wait. So, okay, he's way younger in vibes.
[13:06]
Amanda Hirsch
He is. Yeah.
[13:07]
Courtney Kardashian
Right?
[13:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Phil's. Yeah. Phil's like six years younger than I am. Yeah.
[13:10]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[13:11]
Amanda Hirsch
Which isn't a lot, but I think he. He now cares more about aesthetic and is genuinely.
[13:16]
Courtney Kardashian
Did you get him into, like, the fashion Gucci?
[13:19]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I throw money at the problem there. I am not. There are some people out especially. I mean, maybe this is a generalization, but gay guys who just have naturally great style. I am not that.
[13:30]
Simon Huck
Really?
[13:30]
Amanda Hirsch
No. I am like mannequin. Like, I go in and buy the mannequin, look, like the shirt, the pants, and the shoes from the same store.
[13:37]
Courtney Kardashian
Wait, do you ever have somebody to help you?
[13:40]
Amanda Hirsch
No. But maybe I should. I always feel like, my God.
[13:44]
Courtney Kardashian
Imagine you get, like, a I need help rumor.
[13:47]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, I would. I mean, I don't do anything. This is, like, my biggest occasion is your podcast.
[13:51]
Courtney Kardashian
But first of all, all you do is things. You are out at the corner store every day of the week, and you're.
[13:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Clocking it every day of the week.
[14:01]
Courtney Kardashian
You are out with, like, Instagram models. I click their thing. I'm like, who's this model? They're like, rep by img. Oh, I don't know every model.
[14:10]
Amanda Hirsch
I don't. They find me. These ladies find me.
[14:13]
Courtney Kardashian
How?
[14:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Honestly, I don't know.
[14:15]
Courtney Kardashian
You pretend to be auntie, but you're so social. You have a million friends.
[14:19]
Amanda Hirsch
No, but I. I think I keep, like, the same. I have, like, a very strong 5ing models of, like. No, I don't know where you're getting this model bit from. I know who you're targeting right now, and it's just so sad for you. And I pray for you every day. Like, I know you're daggering me right now, but a particular person, but I'm gonna let it go.
[14:38]
Simon Huck
Okay.
[14:40]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay. So no fi. Okay. A few IMG models.
[14:43]
Amanda Hirsch
But you know my gay family, like.
[14:45]
Courtney Kardashian
We talked about this, and it is true about you. At the end of the day, you might think, Simon is this, like, fancy on a yacht, like, in Capri. You've been on yachts in Capri.
[14:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Right, But I'm the plus one of the plus one.
[14:58]
Courtney Kardashian
You're the plus one of the plus one. Yeah, but somebody needs to do a montage of you just like. Like, there's so many iconic moments and.
[15:08]
Simon Huck
You'Re there as the plus one.
[15:09]
Courtney Kardashian
Right? Yeah, but you. You were there in those moments. You're like the traveling gnome.
[15:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. No, honestly, that could be a brand of merch. Just like this. This gnome just like, who's watching.
[15:22]
Courtney Kardashian
What? What was I gonna say? Oh, that you think he's this, like, super social, out there person.
[15:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[15:32]
Courtney Kardashian
That's just hopping around with, like, Beyonce all day.
[15:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[15:35]
Courtney Kardashian
But, like, you really love your gay family.
[15:39]
Amanda Hirsch
I do.
[15:40]
Courtney Kardashian
Of. First of all, every event of Simon's is, like, a gay pride parade.
[15:45]
Amanda Hirsch
It is.
[15:45]
Courtney Kardashian
You can't, like, walk through.
[15:46]
Amanda Hirsch
No.
[15:47]
Courtney Kardashian
It's, like, sweaty.
[15:48]
Amanda Hirsch
It's not star setting.
[15:49]
Courtney Kardashian
Fishnet. Yeah, like, there's just, like, a lot of bros.
[15:53]
Amanda Hirsch
I think when you were.
[15:54]
Courtney Kardashian
You would. That you would think if I was single, I'd be like, oh, you know what I mean?
[15:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[15:58]
Courtney Kardashian
No one gave that, like.
[16:00]
Amanda Hirsch
No, it's like, I know It's Phil having an affair. I know. You wouldn't know because it's like, our friends.
[16:05]
Courtney Kardashian
Your friends are also hot.
[16:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, well, everyone's just, you know, we're in the gym. We're doing everything.
[16:10]
Courtney Kardashian
I wanted to bring another guy that was on the pod.
[16:13]
Amanda Hirsch
You who?
[16:14]
Courtney Kardashian
I told you. The one out. I'm. Right now. I mean, no, he's out as gay, but, like.
[16:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[16:19]
Courtney Kardashian
But I wanted to bring him to one of your things.
[16:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, yeah.
[16:21]
Courtney Kardashian
I said, you should, and you said because. Yeah.
[16:23]
Amanda Hirsch
And I ended up seeing him on a plane the very next day that you brought it up. I never even told you.
[16:28]
Courtney Kardashian
You didn't tell me.
[16:28]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[16:29]
Courtney Kardashian
Did you say anything? No, nothing.
[16:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Did you say anything to him about you?
[16:33]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[16:33]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, he should have. Yeah. No, I.
[16:35]
Courtney Kardashian
So he knows.
[16:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[16:36]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay. But he doesn't know that, you know.
[16:37]
Amanda Hirsch
That we sat, like, two behind each other. Oh, Delta.
[16:40]
Simon Huck
Okay.
[16:42]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[16:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. So I think a gay land or just an entertainment land, you can have friends that are, like, in the industry, and that can be your friend. Friend group.
[16:51]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[16:51]
Amanda Hirsch
I very, very early on realized, like, that was not going to be my story. Like, I needed to have real friends that had nothing to do with, like, what I do.
[17:00]
Courtney Kardashian
But you are very, like, in the industry.
[17:03]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. I mean, you want me to be. You keep pushing me there, but I don't think I am in the.
[17:08]
Courtney Kardashian
I wouldn't say I'm, like, you know, everybody.
[17:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[17:10]
Courtney Kardashian
But invited to everything.
[17:12]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, yes.
[17:13]
Courtney Kardashian
Not the Golden Globes, but.
[17:16]
Amanda Hirsch
No, literally, like, the opening of the envelope. I get invited to. I would. I'm not, like, at the Vanity Fair party.
[17:22]
Courtney Kardashian
Should be.
[17:23]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, could be.
[17:24]
Courtney Kardashian
Need pr.
[17:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[17:25]
Courtney Kardashian
The Vanity Fair party. Is there anybody in. In that world because you've met everybody, been around. Anybody that, like, would excite you to meet, that you haven't yet, that I haven't met?
[17:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Probably, like. Like a Julia Roberts is just so far out of our realm.
[17:41]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. Like an og.
[17:42]
Simon Huck
Og.
[17:43]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, by the way, you know how you actually taught me this? And I've mentioned this before. You've taught me a lot.
[17:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, God, please.
[17:48]
Courtney Kardashian
Really?
[17:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Team.
[17:52]
Courtney Kardashian
Is that you make me forget what I'm gonna say. You.
[17:55]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, well, go ahead.
[17:56]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay. You've taught me. Because when I used to make fun of teams.
[18:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Ugh.
[18:01]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay. You used to tell me, like, the most famous, most rich people.
[18:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[18:07]
Courtney Kardashian
Don't have, like, these teams or do, but don't talk about them. Whereas, like, the influencers that we hate will mention them every sentence and throw them in your face. And once you've said that to me. It made me notice it more. Get the ick more, hate more. Yeah, but also Julia Roberts, because I know her publicist. She lives, like, shout out, Marcy.
[18:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[18:25]
Courtney Kardashian
Lives, like, in my neighborhood. So cute.
[18:27]
Simon Huck
Julia doesn't.
[18:28]
Courtney Kardashian
Didn't even have a nanny in her life.
[18:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. That's crazy.
[18:30]
Courtney Kardashian
These are, like, the OG's. OGs of, like.
[18:33]
Simon Huck
Do you need to take a call?
[18:34]
Courtney Kardashian
Well, no, a Listerine.
[18:35]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm just gonna have a Listerine. I feel my breath is fresh, but.
[18:38]
Simon Huck
Oh, my God, this is the last one.
[18:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[18:41]
Courtney Kardashian
Are we on a paid moment right here?
[18:43]
Amanda Hirsch
This is.
[18:43]
Courtney Kardashian
They don't give a.
[18:44]
Amanda Hirsch
No, don't.
[18:45]
Courtney Kardashian
They don't.
[18:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Barely. I'm unread for the last two months. This isn't gonna work.
[18:51]
Courtney Kardashian
It's not working.
[18:51]
Amanda Hirsch
It's just. It's jammed. I think. I actually, this. This went into the bathtub or something. It's. It's all squished, but it's fine. I think my brain is okay.
[18:58]
Courtney Kardashian
The fact that you're gonna die from a Listerine overdose, I think it's okay.
[19:02]
Amanda Hirsch
I do.
[19:03]
Courtney Kardashian
Like, what does Courtney say about the Listerine?
[19:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, what do you think? She thinks it's fully, like, not okay. Yeah, she also. I was on a zoom with her two days ago, and I had my earbuds in, and she said, what are you doing? And I said, oh, I. I have my earbuds in. And she said, you know, those are bad for your health.
[19:20]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[19:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, you could only. And then I saw her have, like, the hardwire.
[19:23]
Courtney Kardashian
I have hardwired, too.
[19:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Is that a thing?
[19:25]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[19:26]
Amanda Hirsch
So I'm a bit late on that.
[19:27]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. Also, I think it's just nicer. You don't lose it as much. Like, I'm not into the. The look. I mean, do you keep one in, like, all day? Is that.
[19:36]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, not all day, but when I'm, like, in an Uber or walking somewhere, like, I'm. The buds are in.
[19:42]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[19:43]
Amanda Hirsch
You look at me like I'm an alien. The entire city is wearing these buds. Amanda.
[19:47]
Courtney Kardashian
That's just my face.
[19:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[19:49]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[19:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[19:50]
Courtney Kardashian
But I'm wondering, like, you're not that healthy, right?
[19:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Excuse me? Like, are you okay?
[19:59]
Courtney Kardashian
Courtney's this, like, organic.
[20:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[20:01]
Courtney Kardashian
Like, she. Radioactive. Whatever.
[20:03]
Amanda Hirsch
I wouldn't say I'm toxic.
[20:04]
Courtney Kardashian
No, you're not toxic, but you're not.
[20:08]
Amanda Hirsch
What does that even mean? I'm not healthy?
[20:10]
Courtney Kardashian
Like, oh, no, you're not. How many Diet Cokes do you have a day?
[20:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, the. Like. What are you, like, a journalist? When I go for dinner with you. I have one when I go for dinner, and I don't have alcohol.
[20:21]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, you don't have at home?
[20:23]
Amanda Hirsch
No.
[20:24]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, yeah. Oh, okay.
[20:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[20:26]
Courtney Kardashian
Not at home. For reals?
[20:27]
Amanda Hirsch
No. I mean, maybe on a Friday night, but I. I substitute Diet Coke for alcohol.
[20:32]
Simon Huck
That's, like, my treat, which is weird.
[20:34]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. I don't love drinking.
[20:36]
Courtney Kardashian
What it does to you.
[20:37]
Amanda Hirsch
I just don't like the feeling. I hate the hangover. I love an espresso martini, but I consider that like a dessert.
[20:42]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, my God. What did you say on our first vod? This is how much I loved it because I have flashbacks. Do you remember when you told me you were. Used to be a stoner?
[20:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[20:51]
Courtney Kardashian
And you were like, you didn't see that for me?
[20:53]
Simon Huck
And then what does he say, Regina?
[20:55]
Courtney Kardashian
You just saw it, Said something really funny. Let's see if you really watched it.
[20:58]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm wearing a bustier.
[21:00]
Courtney Kardashian
No, not that. Not that. He said something like, you didn't see this about me, about being a stoner? And then what did you call yourself?
[21:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, Papa Escobar? Yeah. No, I was. I was a heavy. Back in the early 2000s, I was like, a big stoner.
[21:14]
Courtney Kardashian
And now you won't.
[21:15]
Amanda Hirsch
Now I can't, because I get. I. I have chronic malaise. I suffer from malaise. Malaise is just general tiredness and brain fog. And I have. You get it from this. Oh, for over seven years. Just even today.
[21:28]
Courtney Kardashian
Do you think you have Lyme?
[21:29]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I've done it all. I think I really have to avoid anything bad for me.
[21:33]
Simon Huck
Really?
[21:33]
Amanda Hirsch
That's why I'm surprised you called me unhealthy.
[21:34]
Simon Huck
No, no.
[21:35]
Courtney Kardashian
Listerine strips are outdated as fudge.
[21:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. You actually have a line of, like, cookie dough you sell. Like, Are you okay?
[21:42]
Courtney Kardashian
I don't anymore. And it's healthy ingredients at home. Everything is, like, organic.
[21:46]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, not everything is organic. Courtney is definitely more on it than I am, but I. Yeah, I work out every single day.
[21:52]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah, no, you're a healthy. A healthy guy.
[21:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, well, there's no.
[21:55]
Courtney Kardashian
With some. With some, like, we want be relatable.
[22:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, yeah, I am healthy, but I also have. I splurge.
[22:03]
Courtney Kardashian
I could see you having, like, a vape problem, but I know you don't. But, like, if you had a hit of a vape, you'd vape.
[22:09]
Simon Huck
Oh, you'd be vaping right now.
[22:10]
Amanda Hirsch
So I had a hit of a vape on Saturday night, Friday night. And I thought I was like Lindsay Lohan. Like, I had the Best night ever. Because I love that initial hit and then you feel horrible in the morning.
[22:24]
Simon Huck
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[24:34]
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So that goes for bed too.
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[27:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Hi, lovelies. I'm sex educator Ruby Red.
[27:12]
Simon Huck
And I'm Megan button Hansen, an OnlyFans creator, former Sex worker, and sex positive columnist.
[27:18]
Amanda Hirsch
In our brand new podcast, the Ins and Outs, we're welcoming you to an unfiltered, playful and inclusive space to talk all about sex in all its glory, nuance and messiness.
[27:27]
Courtney Kardashian
I feel like we're the sex education people need.
[27:31]
Amanda Hirsch
We'll unpick all the big questions, like how do we talk about kinks and fantasies? Does stress kill the vibe? Oh, and does wearing socks actually lead to better orgasms? So come on in, listen or watch wherever you get your podcasts. It's going to be juicy.
[27:48]
Simon Huck
And we're back.
[27:50]
Courtney Kardashian
Let's talk about Lindsay Lohan for a second. I've been wanting to say something on Instagram. I haven't said it yet.
[27:55]
Simon Huck
She's incredible that she looks so good now.
[27:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Instead, it's amazing.
[27:58]
Courtney Kardashian
However, what's so funny to me, people can be so condescending. I got this message and I know people mean well, but sometimes, well meaning people can sound condescending.
[28:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[28:06]
Courtney Kardashian
Somebody said to me, like, ugh, she's finally sober. Like, look. And I'm like, did she come out and say she's sober that everyone's deciding?
[28:14]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I don't think she did sober. No.
[28:16]
Courtney Kardashian
I guarantee.
[28:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Came into hiding, though, to be. To be fair, I think that's what people are referring to.
[28:21]
Courtney Kardashian
Like, maybe she's off. Like, we know she had rehab days, but, like, I definitely think she's like having a glass of sun sour at dinner, you know?
[28:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, I think she's definitely having wine. And she lived in Dubai for how many years? She was off the grid. There's no paparazzi or band there. So there was no kind of evidence of her for five years.
[28:40]
Courtney Kardashian
Right.
[28:40]
Amanda Hirsch
And she popped back up, you know?
[28:44]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. You know, her husband, I hear that he's incredible.
[28:47]
Amanda Hirsch
I've heard this. Yes.
[28:48]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, so I've heard Bader, his name is, I think.
[28:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[28:52]
Courtney Kardashian
And I've heard that, like, he's not to give a man the, you know, credit because obviously she's amazing before him, but that he really kind of like, is a great guy that helped her kind of come back.
[29:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[29:05]
Courtney Kardashian
In this way.
[29:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. I don't know that personally, but I agree.
[29:08]
Courtney Kardashian
But I will say that to me, it's a cultural phenomenon to see the universe rally for someone.
[29:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[29:16]
Courtney Kardashian
Versus not rallying.
[29:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Yeah.
[29:18]
Courtney Kardashian
And you've seen stuff in your day, but Lindsay Lohan is one of those people.
[29:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. She's an icon where.
[29:27]
Courtney Kardashian
No, but I'm telling you, like, the chatter is like, people are rooting for her. Rooting, rooting. Nobody will say, yeah. Christmas times two was bad.
[29:35]
Amanda Hirsch
No, it was amazing.
[29:36]
Courtney Kardashian
The Irish flip, a script, Freaky Friday, all of it. Like, I'm like. I had to remind people at one point, like, you know.
[29:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[29:46]
Courtney Kardashian
Movie star. But it's not like she was in, like.
[29:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Do you remember when she had that show on Oprah Winfrey's network, own. Remember she had a reality show?
[29:53]
Courtney Kardashian
Own.
[29:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Wasn't it called own?
[29:55]
Courtney Kardashian
I didn't know that.
[29:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Or whatever it was called. Yeah. She had a reality show on.
[29:59]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, with the fam.
[30:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[30:00]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, I love.
[30:01]
Amanda Hirsch
It wasn't even the fam. She was living. No, no, no. She was living in Soho and she had a reality show.
[30:07]
Courtney Kardashian
Really?
[30:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Are you.
[30:08]
Courtney Kardashian
I know. With the fam.
[30:09]
Amanda Hirsch
I don't. You keep saying the fam. It was really. She was living alone. I mean, maybe the mom was on.
[30:14]
Courtney Kardashian
It, you know, But I'm tired of rumors starting.
[30:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Is it.
[30:18]
Courtney Kardashian
I'm sick of being.
[30:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[30:20]
Courtney Kardashian
I'm tired of people lying, saying.
[30:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Are you okay? No. So people. I agree. Lindsay's having a renaissance, and it's not going anywhere. And I think we also. We do this in pop culture where we. We build someone up, we take them down. We love the takedown happening right now.
[30:40]
Simon Huck
And then, by the way, we take them back up.
[30:41]
Courtney Kardashian
I thought, Blake, speaking of takedown. I swear. And if I look in my archives, you will see two things that I said about her. One, that she was, like, untouchable. Like, she's one of those people that you couldn't say anything bad. You'll be like, she's amazing. She's the most gorgeous. She's, you know.
[30:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. America's sweetheart.
[30:58]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. And what I used to say about her, which. Which I think is still funny, is I used to say, can you believe Blake Styles herself? And then I would answer myself and be like, yeah, again.
[31:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[31:09]
Courtney Kardashian
Because that was all the rage. Like, if she styles that, she sells herself. But I think it's, like, pretty evident that she does.
[31:15]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[31:16]
Courtney Kardashian
She has her own thing going, but never in my life Would I've ever thought that the world would come crashing.
[31:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[31:23]
Courtney Kardashian
Down on Blake.
[31:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[31:25]
Courtney Kardashian
Choose to see the worst fudgeing killer.
[31:28]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. I mean, this is the perfect storm of so many different things. And a generation on TikTok who are basically private investigators, literally. So they're really deconstructing lawsuits in a way. I mean, that. That never. Can you imagine people looking at like 180 pages of like, litigation and then being able to craft a two minute video summarizing that? Like, that's the era that we live in.
[31:49]
Courtney Kardashian
So it's era. It's a scary era.
[31:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[31:52]
Courtney Kardashian
But maybe I wonder, because a lot of people say that, like, canceling is over and stuff, but then you're like, it's not like canceling. I think there are two parts to this. Right. It's like there's canceling for reals, where you can't get a job.
[32:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
[32:07]
Courtney Kardashian
And no studio would work with you, no one would hire.
[32:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Which is not happening.
[32:10]
Courtney Kardashian
Which is not happening. And there is online canceling, which is like, everybody hates you.
[32:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
[32:15]
Courtney Kardashian
And there are two things. Because, for example, Amy Schumer, that I love. You can't post a video of her.
[32:20]
Simon Huck
Without everyone being like, she's not funny.
[32:22]
Courtney Kardashian
Right. Oh, yeah, she's doing amazing. She came out with a new movie. Should it say I was supposed to be in it again?
[32:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, you told me.
[32:29]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. That got to number one on Netflix. Like, they're. They live separately, they live separate.
[32:35]
Amanda Hirsch
And Anne Hathaway has a really. She's a great comp to this. Remember when she. She. Well, she did comma. And she also was a host at the Oscars years ago with. What's his name? I forget his name. And it was a really bad posting. It just didn't work for her.
[32:50]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[32:50]
Amanda Hirsch
And she was somewhat canceled.
[32:52]
Courtney Kardashian
Half a hate, remember? It was.
[32:54]
Amanda Hirsch
It was awful. It was so mean. And then she has now come back as the Princess Diaries we all know and love.
[33:00]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[33:00]
Amanda Hirsch
It's a renaissance like I've never seen.
[33:02]
Courtney Kardashian
I love that we can talk about this the way we can right now. The sad part for you guys is you will never hear the real tea. Like, meaning that we can get down and dirty and spill it.
[33:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[33:18]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[33:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, yeah.
[33:19]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[33:20]
Amanda Hirsch
But we don't go.
[33:21]
Courtney Kardashian
We don't want people to be that you want to.
[33:23]
Amanda Hirsch
If you want to.
[33:23]
Courtney Kardashian
No.
[33:24]
Amanda Hirsch
You want to share an example. I'm happy to share an example, too, but I'm not going first.
[33:28]
Courtney Kardashian
No, we're not sharing examples. I'm just saying that I love gossiping with you. Oh, like to the nines. You're my fave to gossip.
[33:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, you have such a niche. Like, I know. I just called you with such good gossip.
[33:43]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[33:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Like a week ago. Do you remember that? It was such a gift. It was a Christmas gift, a Hanukkah gift.
[33:48]
Courtney Kardashian
Sometimes you over. You overrate your gossip.
[33:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Whoa. Yeah.
[33:52]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[33:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Was this an example of that?
[33:53]
Courtney Kardashian
I don't remember.
[33:54]
Amanda Hirsch
You were foaming at the mouth for this. For this tea.
[33:58]
Courtney Kardashian
The thing about me is, like. And this is why, you know, a lot of people interview people. A lot of people talk about what's happening in pop culture, movies, reality tv, celebrities.
[34:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[34:09]
Courtney Kardashian
I actually wear the cameras care like you do. I don't care that I can't tell it ever. Yeah, I don't care. I wanna know.
[34:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[34:20]
Courtney Kardashian
Live for it. It's funny because teams I just signed with, I was at one agency and I just moved. And the guy that I signed with is like such a character and so crazy. But I told him some things that I know. And he was like, how do you know? Like, he's. That really stayed with him till this day.
[34:39]
Amanda Hirsch
He's like, how do you know?
[34:41]
Courtney Kardashian
How are you in on the most niche shit?
[34:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[34:44]
Courtney Kardashian
And I'm like. Cuz I.
[34:46]
Amanda Hirsch
You were like Simon Huck. Yeah. Give the source.
[34:50]
Courtney Kardashian
It's not even what you think it is. I know you think this is about you.
[34:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. I don't.
[34:54]
Courtney Kardashian
It's not.
[34:55]
Amanda Hirsch
Joking. Mad woman, you're so unhinged this morning in your new fancy studio. Do the viewers know how rich you are?
[35:04]
Courtney Kardashian
H and M blazer alohas.
[35:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[35:08]
Simon Huck
Which are cute, by the way, but.
[35:09]
Amanda Hirsch
It was an upgrade.
[35:10]
Simon Huck
We were in a treehouse.
[35:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Don't come for me. We were in a tree house before.
[35:15]
Courtney Kardashian
Let's talk about your house. It was on 80.
[35:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, online.
[35:20]
Simon Huck
Wait, there's a difference.
[35:22]
Amanda Hirsch
There is a difference. Yeah.
[35:24]
Courtney Kardashian
Did you get an offer? Did you, like, pitch it? How does it work, by the way? Your house is amazing.
[35:28]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. Thank you.
[35:29]
Courtney Kardashian
Would be my dream house.
[35:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. And I don't care, but. Yeah, yeah, there is. Yeah. No, there's a difference. Ad in book is very prestige and has to be shot by the right photographer and blah, blah, blah. It's a kind of a thing. And then online is like, this studio is online. This plant is living online.
[35:46]
Courtney Kardashian
Did it mean. Did it mean a lot to you?
[35:48]
Amanda Hirsch
It didn't mean a lot to me. I think our interior designer, who we've worked with for 10 years, like, she wanted it and she thought it'd be great. And, like, Phil thought it was cool, and. Yeah.
[35:57]
Courtney Kardashian
So, yeah, that was a big moment. Would you ever leave that apartment?
[36:01]
Amanda Hirsch
The newer. Yeah, of course.
[36:03]
Courtney Kardashian
You would.
[36:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, we. We're. We're the type of couple that likes to move every five years to a different.
[36:08]
Courtney Kardashian
Do you think you would stay in the city?
[36:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Say in the city, but different home. We love renovating and designing.
[36:13]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[36:13]
Amanda Hirsch
And, yeah, it's, like, where Phil and I thrive. Like, Phil could. Phil could be a realtor. He's on Zillow all day long. He's sending Courtney Zillow listings as we speak.
[36:21]
Courtney Kardashian
For what?
[36:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, properties all across the United States.
[36:25]
Courtney Kardashian
But why to Courtney? For her to buy.
[36:27]
Amanda Hirsch
For her to buy. For her to look at opinions, thoughts, vibes.
[36:31]
Courtney Kardashian
Are they on the same vibe?
[36:33]
Amanda Hirsch
They're on that. They have great. Phil has great real estate taste.
[36:36]
Simon Huck
Really?
[36:36]
Amanda Hirsch
And Courtney loves real estate.
[36:38]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[36:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. So that's cute. Yeah. Phil.
[36:40]
Courtney Kardashian
So when is the five years up?
[36:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, we have two more years at this place. Yeah.
[36:46]
Courtney Kardashian
And you're actually gonna start thinking about.
[36:48]
Amanda Hirsch
I don't. I don't know if we're actually gonna. I mean, we have to figure out. We want to do with the baby.
[36:52]
Courtney Kardashian
First to know if you need more bedrooms.
[36:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Like, if. Are we gonna have this baby? Are we not? And I. I think Phil's just. It's really in Phil's court. I'm ready to have the child.
[37:02]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay.
[37:03]
Amanda Hirsch
What was the eye roll?
[37:04]
Courtney Kardashian
No. Yes. But I feel like maybe you're a little bit, like, projecting it onto Phil.
[37:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. I just need him to be, like, I'm ready to be Mother Goose.
[37:11]
Courtney Kardashian
I know. I really thought he'd, like.
[37:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, no, he's too into.
[37:15]
Courtney Kardashian
He needs a few more years with, like, the IMG models.
[37:17]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, the picture. Yeah. The pictures are horizontal. Like, they're upside down. They're blurry. Like, they're mood boards.
[37:24]
Courtney Kardashian
This would be so cute, though.
[37:26]
Amanda Hirsch
He'll be the best.
[37:27]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[37:27]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, I feel so lucky because Phil truly is, like, I'm obviously the devil, but Phil is such a kind soul. Like, he's better than all of us.
[37:35]
Courtney Kardashian
And you are such a kind soul. You're Canadian. Duh.
[37:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Duh.
[37:38]
Courtney Kardashian
Has to be. Okay, let's be annoying and do some fun cues. Okay.
[37:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, God.
[37:45]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay. Speaking of you being on every, like, the Traveling Gnome, what was, like, the best vacation you ever took?
[37:53]
Amanda Hirsch
That I ever took, I would say. Okay, so two trips come to mind. One was Iceland. I loved Iceland.
[38:00]
Courtney Kardashian
Was that with the Kardashians?
[38:01]
Amanda Hirsch
That was with the girls, like 10 years ago.
[38:04]
Courtney Kardashian
I mean, Iceland. Like, that's on my list. And I don't even like to travel.
[38:08]
Amanda Hirsch
It was insane. We were on helicopters in glaciers and.
[38:12]
Courtney Kardashian
So you don't get scared of anything?
[38:14]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I do. I do. I was probably taking a. Yeah. Before.
[38:17]
Courtney Kardashian
Another thing. You tell me. Here's what you. Another thing you tell me. Aside from the thing that I said before when I talked to you about private planes once.
[38:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[38:27]
Courtney Kardashian
You were like 100% rather fly first.
[38:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[38:31]
Courtney Kardashian
Than private.
[38:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[38:32]
Courtney Kardashian
Because I'm private. You go into the bathroom is weird.
[38:35]
Amanda Hirsch
You have to sing for supper and.
[38:37]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[38:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Anytime. As though has the gnome plus one that you've called me. I think anytime. You can just do it yourself and not have to, you know, like, hop on the jet. Yeah. And like, what do you.
[38:46]
Courtney Kardashian
But you're not scared.
[38:47]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm not.
[38:48]
Courtney Kardashian
You get scared on the Hamptons chopper thing.
[38:51]
Amanda Hirsch
I get. I do say goodbye to Phil every time. I'm like, it's been great. You're cute. Like, take care of Bodhi. Like, I do say my goodbyes because that thing is not so.
[38:59]
Courtney Kardashian
Why do you take it? You could not. It saves time.
[39:01]
Amanda Hirsch
Because I work until 4:00 and like, when I'm. It's five hours in traffic to get to montage.
[39:05]
Simon Huck
And then.
[39:06]
Courtney Kardashian
How long is it on that thing?
[39:07]
Amanda Hirsch
It's like 30 minutes.
[39:08]
Courtney Kardashian
Stop.
[39:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Two seconds from our home. Yeah. It's crazy. So it's a huge time saver for me.
[39:14]
Courtney Kardashian
Has anybody ever died on.
[39:16]
Amanda Hirsch
I don't dare Google that, but I'm sure every day. I mean, planes are flipping and there's no safety procedure. You just. You just.
[39:23]
Courtney Kardashian
What's it called?
[39:23]
Amanda Hirsch
What's it actually, it's called Blade.
[39:25]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, it's Blade. Oh, it's that helicopter.
[39:28]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, we take the seaplane because the helicopters can't land where we are. But yeah, the.
[39:32]
Courtney Kardashian
You know who loves it? Bryn from Roni loves Blade. Have you watched this? Roni?
[39:37]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I have not. I watched. No, I watched Salt Lake.
[39:40]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, really?
[39:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Those women deserve Emmys.
[39:42]
Courtney Kardashian
Regina always tells me I have to watch it.
[39:44]
Amanda Hirsch
You don't watch Salt Lake. Oh, well, you're not. Well, Salt Lake is on a level that you can't even. They're all perfect.
[39:51]
Simon Huck
Okay.
[39:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. I miss Jen Shaw. I miss all of it.
[39:54]
Simon Huck
Yeah.
[39:55]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay. I'll do it.
[39:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[39:56]
Courtney Kardashian
One day.
[39:57]
Amanda Hirsch
And then the Beverly Hills. I watch, like, while I'm on the phone, like, Salt Lake. I turn, the phone is away.
[40:02]
Courtney Kardashian
Stop. What else are you watching now?
[40:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Honestly? That's it. Like, in Terms of binging show. That's it.
[40:08]
Courtney Kardashian
Are you watching that show Adolescent?
[40:10]
Amanda Hirsch
I just watched it.
[40:11]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, was it so good? Oh, you posted it?
[40:14]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I didn't post it. Oh, no, I didn't. That's another one of your followers. No, I didn't post it. But it's. It's just dark. But it's. It's incredible.
[40:21]
Courtney Kardashian
But it's dark. It looks really good.
[40:23]
Simon Huck
We'll be right back after the break. Exciting day, everybody. Simply has launched a new prebiotic soda. You guys know that I love sod and I love ones that come with a little something extra. It's not just good, but there's a prebiotic in it, right? So Simply Pop is the new juicy soda. There are five flavors. Pineapple, Mango, Yum Yum Lime, Strawberry, Citrus punch, Yum Yum and Fruit punch. This is made with real fruit juice. Simply Pop supports gut health important and has 6 grams of prebiotic fiber, no added sugar and is sweetened with juices Monk Fruit extract. This supports immune health with zinc plus vitamin C. Amazing. Simply Pop is flavor that pops. See what all the fizz is about? Simply Pop is the new juicy soda that happens when you combine the delicious real fruit flavors of simply with 6 grams of prebiotic fiber to support gut health. Go to coke URL.com/simply pop to find out where you can try Simply Pop. Find Simply Pop and any of its five juicy flavors by visiting them online at cokeurl.com/pop that's Coke C O K E U R L.com/s I M P L Y P O P. You guys stop right now because you know I'm here to guide you in life, to influence you.
[42:00]
Courtney Kardashian
And I'm going to say that up.
[42:01]
Simon Huck
Up the top, up up on the front, okay? And be real with you. This is influenced moment. You're just going to thank me for changing your life.
[42:09]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay, so this is for anybody who rents. If you haven't heard of built, you're.
[42:14]
Simon Huck
Going to thank me, you guys, because now you can earn points on rent if you pay your rent through belts. So you don't even have to check with your landlord. So don't worry about that. You can start earning points by paying your rent and use that towards flights, hotel stays, fitness classes, and even for your next rent payment. Let me break it down for you.
[42:34]
Courtney Kardashian
So there's no cost to join, build.
[42:36]
Simon Huck
And as a member, you're going to.
[42:37]
Courtney Kardashian
Earn points on rent and on your.
[42:39]
Simon Huck
Everyday spending as well.
[42:41]
Courtney Kardashian
And you can transfer those points to.
[42:43]
Simon Huck
Your favorite hotels and airlines.
[42:45]
Courtney Kardashian
And even the ones you haven't heard of.
[42:47]
Simon Huck
There are over 500 airlines and 700,000 hotels and properties around the world that you can redeem your built points towards. Points can also be redeemed towards a future rent payment and unique experiences that only Built members can access. So why aren't you earning points on rent?
[43:03]
Courtney Kardashian
You guys, start earning points on rent.
[43:05]
Simon Huck
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[44:36]
Courtney Kardashian
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[44:38]
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[45:02]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay, who would you want to be stuck on an island with?
[45:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, in general?
[45:07]
Courtney Kardashian
No, let's do Kardashians.
[45:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, not you.
[45:09]
Courtney Kardashian
Really?
[45:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, no. You would turn on me. Can you imagine? You would take my coconut. Okay, okay.
[45:18]
Courtney Kardashian
Now you.
[45:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Chloe.
[45:19]
Simon Huck
Chloe. Chloe.
[45:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[45:20]
Simon Huck
Chloe, Chloe.
[45:22]
Courtney Kardashian
Go to a party with Chloe. Yeah.
[45:25]
Amanda Hirsch
She's just so social.
[45:26]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. Drink matcha with.
[45:28]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean.
[45:28]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. Five chubs of maple.
[45:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[45:32]
Courtney Kardashian
I just have to say when I did. When Courtney was on the pod and we did it at her house.
[45:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Such a good pod.
[45:37]
Courtney Kardashian
So fun.
[45:39]
Amanda Hirsch
200 degrees.
[45:40]
Courtney Kardashian
Two.
[45:41]
Amanda Hirsch
You were dripping.
[45:42]
Courtney Kardashian
The fact that I didn't faint.
[45:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. And, like, it was a heat I've never seen.
[45:45]
Courtney Kardashian
It was a heat stroke outside with the heat stroke inside. 80 degrees. Fire pit. Fire thing. Her in latex.
[45:55]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[45:56]
Courtney Kardashian
Her sweating from the wrist is something I will never forget. And being like. Oh. Literally, like ex machina. Like.
[46:03]
Amanda Hirsch
No, but on the face. Perfect. On the face. Like, not even a poor.
[46:07]
Courtney Kardashian
No. All of a sudden she's like, there is sweat coming from my wrist.
[46:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. You were so. That was such a. You were amazing. That was a great pot.
[46:13]
Courtney Kardashian
It was so fun.
[46:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[46:14]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. Because Court and I vibe, you know.
[46:16]
Amanda Hirsch
I think also to get Courtney in a place where she can feel comfortable for now. Yeah. She doesn't do podcasts.
[46:20]
Courtney Kardashian
Love her. And then we got the salads, and I ate it with a ton of ranch while she got that with, like, a splash of olive oil.
[46:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Love health nut.
[46:27]
Courtney Kardashian
And I was just fattening it up by myself with the bacon. But what I wanted to say is that I drink so many matchas because they keep pouring it at that house. Like at a diner in New York. The coffee.
[46:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Not anymore. Because. Because she's breastfeeding. But yeah.
[46:43]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, yeah.
[46:44]
Amanda Hirsch
But it was. It's amazing. And you fly and the caffeine level is.
[46:47]
Courtney Kardashian
And then I took a lemme matcha.
[46:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh.
[46:50]
Courtney Kardashian
And then I topped it off.
[46:51]
Simon Huck
That's my favorite.
[46:52]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay.
[46:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Watch movies with maybe Courtney.
[46:56]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[46:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[46:57]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay.
[46:58]
Amanda Hirsch
I don't think I've watched a movie with her, though.
[47:00]
Courtney Kardashian
Feel like Kim.
[47:01]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[47:02]
Courtney Kardashian
She gets, like, the spider man before it comes out.
[47:04]
Simon Huck
And she does.
[47:05]
Amanda Hirsch
But I think she's like. She's really into dateline. She's into, like, crime documentaries. Kim. So I. I don't think she's really into, like, watching movies. Yeah.
[47:14]
Courtney Kardashian
Got you. Who's the best texter?
[47:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Kim.
[47:19]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[47:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Kim. Or faster than you can even imagine. Faster than, like, anyone.
[47:24]
Courtney Kardashian
Whose closet would you want to steal?
[47:27]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, Kim's.
[47:28]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[47:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, yeah. Right.
[47:31]
Courtney Kardashian
Most likely to move out of California. Courtney.
[47:33]
Amanda Hirsch
She's already gone.
[47:35]
Courtney Kardashian
Most likely to lead all social media where they're wrong. Corny. Like, she's not with us.
[47:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[47:40]
Courtney Kardashian
Would you ever. You know, I was thinking about today. Would you ever do a tell all memoir?
[47:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Are you insane? No.
[47:49]
Courtney Kardashian
Really?
[47:49]
Amanda Hirsch
No. Okay.
[47:51]
Courtney Kardashian
Like industry.
[47:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, there's so much to tell.
[47:54]
Courtney Kardashian
I know. But like on her deathbed.
[47:57]
Amanda Hirsch
But in telling, I think the memoirs I've seen, in telling you burn through so many of those relationships because the. Some of that stuff was shared not just in like a business perspective, but on a personal.
[48:08]
Courtney Kardashian
Right.
[48:09]
Amanda Hirsch
So you burn those bridges and. And a lot of those secrets are. Or information is like their. It's their story. Not really my story.
[48:17]
Courtney Kardashian
Right.
[48:17]
Amanda Hirsch
But it is. It's good.
[48:19]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah, it's really good. Would you do a skims collab?
[48:22]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, I need to get to. Yeah. I'd have to like to have 100 chicken breasts and like tons of protein. Yeah. I mean, maybe Patrick. Patrick looked insane. Yeah.
[48:31]
Courtney Kardashian
Let me. Did you guys ever think of doing like those kinds of collabs with like, sister brands?
[48:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I think we.
[48:38]
Courtney Kardashian
Not. Not with sister brands. With like hot celebs of the moment or something.
[48:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, we have. We have something relatively soon.
[48:45]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[48:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[48:46]
Courtney Kardashian
With like someone that we.
[48:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, with someone that you may know.
[48:49]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay.
[48:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[48:50]
Courtney Kardashian
So is that going to start? Like, can you give us another hint?
[48:53]
Amanda Hirsch
It's for. It's the first thing we've ever done with someone else.
[48:56]
Courtney Kardashian
And it's not like in the fam. Because you did. You did, Chloe.
[48:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. And I think you are going to text me faster than you've ever texted me.
[49:06]
Courtney Kardashian
Well, I better know before the day before is on.
[49:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. I can mean, who could trust you? Yeah.
[49:10]
Courtney Kardashian
Teams.
[49:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[49:14]
Courtney Kardashian
Wait, how many years has it been for Lemmy?
[49:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Lemmy, it's three years. And then before that, Courtney Work and I were working on it for three years.
[49:21]
Simon Huck
So it's just like, it's been a long time.
[49:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[49:23]
Courtney Kardashian
I remember the. Do you remember? I was in LA for the opening party. Let me land.
[49:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. It was fun.
[49:30]
Courtney Kardashian
That was so fun.
[49:32]
Simon Huck
And it was very beginning.
[49:33]
Courtney Kardashian
Exciting.
[49:33]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[49:34]
Courtney Kardashian
And like, look at you guys now in Ulta and everything.
[49:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. And Target. Yeah. And Amazon and. Yeah.
[49:41]
Courtney Kardashian
But like, yeah. Huge.
[49:43]
Amanda Hirsch
It's. It's been. It's like your baby and you dream it and you wish it and you put so much effort and love into it. And obviously, you know, Courtney and I had never done like a business together, so there was a lot of. I'm sure she had anxiety about it.
[49:56]
Courtney Kardashian
Who came to who.
[49:57]
Amanda Hirsch
I was talking to her about various ways for her to do it on her own.
[50:01]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh.
[50:02]
Amanda Hirsch
And then a year into it, she said, wait a minute, why am I not doing this with you?
[50:07]
Courtney Kardashian
Uh huh.
[50:07]
Amanda Hirsch
And that was our moment. And then the next day we started working on it.
[50:12]
Courtney Kardashian
So what. What is it like working with her? Like, how. Because people say, don't mix.
[50:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[50:17]
Courtney Kardashian
Business and.
[50:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[50:18]
Courtney Kardashian
Friendship.
[50:20]
Amanda Hirsch
So she is. I mean, you get this from her when people are like, she's so unbothered, but she's unbothered in the things that matter. So when you think about our formulations and our ingredients, she could memorize. She knows every single ingredient, every single.
[50:32]
Simon Huck
One of the products, cares about that.
[50:33]
Amanda Hirsch
She really cares. Like, like, cares in the best way. But then, like, two years ago, $4 million of Lemmy was stolen off of a truck. Today.
[50:42]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah, it was.
[50:43]
Amanda Hirsch
It was kind of. It was a big deal. It was like. And there was a ransom. It was a whole thing. It became a whole thing.
[50:47]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[50:47]
Amanda Hirsch
And I am type A. And I was really upset about it, and I called Courtney to kind of inform her of where we were with the lawyers, the police, like, every. The FBI. I mean, we were full. It was a full investigation. She was so calm.
[50:59]
Simon Huck
Which didn't care.
[51:00]
Amanda Hirsch
She cared, but she asked the right question. She said, okay, well, we'll deal with it.
[51:03]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[51:04]
Amanda Hirsch
And then that made me. I was like, okay, take it down. If she's okay. Yeah, I'm okay. So she. That unbothered approach is incredible. And we have work. We've really, truly. It's not like, one of those things where I'm like, we're great. Like, we are great partners together.
[51:19]
Courtney Kardashian
So you never had, like, a.
[51:22]
Amanda Hirsch
No. I mean, I'm sure she's been frustrated when I'm like, I need you to go on. Not skinny, not fat. Like, I'm sure. I'm sure there's moments where she's like, oh, do I need to? But she never voices that to me. Yeah, it's been amazing. It's been amazing.
[51:38]
Courtney Kardashian
And you work really hard for people that think that. He's just, like, you know, chilling.
[51:42]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I'm.
[51:43]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah, no, he.
[51:44]
Simon Huck
You're 20.
[51:44]
Courtney Kardashian
This is your, like, baby, you're 24 seven.
[51:47]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm operationally in the business. Like, Courtney's the face of the business. She's also in the business, but I'm like, a co. CEO of the business.
[51:52]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[51:53]
Amanda Hirsch
You know.
[51:53]
Simon Huck
Right.
[51:54]
Courtney Kardashian
The goal is to sell it one day.
[51:56]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I would say the goal is to grow the business. And. And, yeah, I mean, if we asked Courtney, I don't think she would say the goal is to sell the business, but the goal is to grow the business and, like, find a home for it.
[52:08]
Courtney Kardashian
But, like, Poppy just did.
[52:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[52:11]
Courtney Kardashian
Like, that's like a dream Now.
[52:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[52:13]
Courtney Kardashian
Dream Pepsi.
[52:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, Pepsi.
[52:16]
Courtney Kardashian
Courtney would be like, I am not aligned.
[52:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[52:20]
Courtney Kardashian
She would not align with the Pepsi buyout. Right.
[52:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. No, she's. She's so motiv. It. She's not motivated the way that you would think, like, a star would be motivated. Like, how do we grow it and sell it quick? Like, she's.
[52:33]
Courtney Kardashian
I'm like, that, too. That's like, I vibe with Courtney. Like, I'm. And I always felt like she was the most. I'm not her vibe of, like, I never want to work again. Yes, I'm. But I. But. But I am her vibe. And that money isn't the biggest motivator.
[52:51]
Amanda Hirsch
And it shouldn't be. And the businesses that are successful are people and founders who start businesses not for a cast. Because you. I think you can feel it. And she's all about vibe in terms of, like, working with business partners and, like, everything that we do. So if she gets on the phone with someone, she's not feeling it.
[53:09]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[53:09]
Amanda Hirsch
She's.
[53:10]
Courtney Kardashian
She's.
[53:10]
Amanda Hirsch
She's like, I just don't think this is the right partner for us. And I'm like, but they went to this, and they did this. They have 10 years of experience. And honestly, I don't think this at the time, but now I think it. She's right.
[53:19]
Courtney Kardashian
It ends up being.
[53:20]
Amanda Hirsch
She's always right. I'm like, you were right about.
[53:22]
Courtney Kardashian
It ends up being about the vibe.
[53:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Remember that thing she was going to do that was gonna.
[53:26]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah, yeah.
[53:27]
Amanda Hirsch
And she didn't do it.
[53:27]
Simon Huck
And now she's like, thank God I didn't do it.
[53:29]
Courtney Kardashian
And I'm like, Well, I also said. I also agreed with that.
[53:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes, but you had. You had your own opinion. Yeah.
[53:35]
Courtney Kardashian
So remember, there was the not Courtney chat.
[53:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[53:39]
Courtney Kardashian
There was some drama. Not drama with you, but it was, like, assignment on it. There was, like, a moment.
[53:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. But people thought that I was on.
[53:45]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[53:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. And I had to clear the air.
[53:47]
Courtney Kardashian
This was your first.
[53:48]
Simon Huck
It was.
[53:49]
Courtney Kardashian
Well, it was kind of like Simon, because maybe Kim even said, I can't remember, but it was. But maybe people thought that you were on it.
[53:55]
Amanda Hirsch
I think people thought maybe I. I was on it, and I was definitely not on. I think in the end, it was just her sisters. It was everyone but Courtney with her family.
[54:03]
Courtney Kardashian
Right.
[54:03]
Amanda Hirsch
But that was during, like, all the Dolce stuff and all that drama.
[54:06]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[54:06]
Amanda Hirsch
It's just, like, so.
[54:08]
Courtney Kardashian
But now does. Because you're. You're kind of friends with the whole fam. Because you're. You also have this extra Layer with Courtney. Like, you know what I mean?
[54:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[54:17]
Courtney Kardashian
Like now there's this extra. Like, you're not only friends with Kim.
[54:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, she's my prison partner.
[54:21]
Courtney Kardashian
She's your business partner and friend. So like.
[54:23]
Amanda Hirsch
And best friend. Like, we speak outside Lemmy. We speak, you know, 20 times a day. Oh, yeah, yeah.
[54:28]
Courtney Kardashian
That's so crazy that you like that you navigate both and we.
[54:32]
Amanda Hirsch
We do. We've never even talked about this, but we separate the conversation. Meaning, like she never asks about Lemmy in the same breath that we're having a personal conversation.
[54:43]
Simon Huck
So our lemme could though.
[54:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh my God. Because I'm like, let's talk about Lemmy. Like she. She completely separates our personal relationship with our. Which I think is really smart.
[54:52]
Courtney Kardashian
It is, it is. But yeah, but I feel like at the end of the day, if you'd have to, like, you'd have to go with business partner, you know?
[54:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[54:59]
Courtney Kardashian
And like a fight or something.
[55:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Are you trying to get this at it? Like, what are you trying to get? What do you want? Your pr. I'm saying, like, where is a line? Like, what's happening?
[55:09]
Courtney Kardashian
No, because I literally just thought of it. It's not even in my notes.
[55:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. I can't believe you have not skinny.
[55:14]
Courtney Kardashian
Like, do you love it?
[55:15]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. This is. This. Well, this is the wealth I was talking about.
[55:17]
Courtney Kardashian
I also should have Mike flags, but they don't fit on this.
[55:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Red.
[55:20]
Courtney Kardashian
I need to figure it out.
[55:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Red. Figure this out.
[55:23]
Courtney Kardashian
Wait, so do you take all the lemmies? Like you can't take all the lemmings every day.
[55:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, I don't take Lemmy Purr, obviously. Okay, so that starts there.
[55:30]
Courtney Kardashian
What's your day?
[55:31]
Simon Huck
What's your stack?
[55:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, so right now my stack. I took a lemme wake up before seeing you because. Hello. Yeah, I took a let me sleep last night because I needed to be.
[55:39]
Courtney Kardashian
By the way, let me sleep for people that have sleep issues. Right, Regina, you, like, conks are out. Like. Like she buys them. I didn't even give her any.
[55:49]
Amanda Hirsch
That's so sweet. Thank you. That is like our number one compliment is that normally melatonin, even for me, can make your dreams a little, but this one does not.
[55:59]
Courtney Kardashian
So it's nice.
[55:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. So I take and then I take D blow because I just like eat weird stuff and I've actually. And now I'm taking number two.
[56:08]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, that just came out.
[56:09]
Amanda Hirsch
It just came out. Let me number two.
[56:11]
Courtney Kardashian
Checked my mail?
[56:11]
Simon Huck
I've checked my mail.
[56:12]
Amanda Hirsch
No, it's coming. It just. I brought you some okay.
[56:15]
Courtney Kardashian
Oh, good. Number two. So what two do?
[56:17]
Amanda Hirsch
It's a fiber gummy. So it's a probiotic fiber gummy. So it helps with regularity, digestion, gut, health issues, all of it.
[56:24]
Courtney Kardashian
I do like. Personally, I like the gummies more than the capsules. I feel like that's Lemmy's. Like, that's Lemmy's home.
[56:32]
Amanda Hirsch
That's our home. I mean, our capsules do really well.
[56:34]
Courtney Kardashian
When do you have to decide to do a capsule? Like, when you cannot formulate into a gummy.
[56:38]
Amanda Hirsch
We can't fit it into a gummy. And then some things just don't make sense in a gummy. Like, the dosage is too high. But I. Oh, I don't do capsules at all. And Courtney is 70% capsule, by the way. Courtney takes not just Lemmy. I mean, her supplement stack outside of Breastfeeding is like 25 supplements.
[56:54]
Courtney Kardashian
Right. I always ask Simon, when you we. There's a new Lemmy, I'm like, can I take it?
[56:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. And I'm like, you don't ask your doctor. You always ask me. Like, I'm not supposed to say.
[57:03]
Courtney Kardashian
But you would literally be like, yeah, take it.
[57:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[57:06]
Courtney Kardashian
I do want to say that I am very lax about that as a breastfeeding mom. I think Courtney is crazier. Like, I'd be drinking my. Like, I drink alcohol.
[57:14]
Simon Huck
Like, I have a cigarette. Yeah, okay.
[57:17]
Courtney Kardashian
But I. But I don't believe. And there are a lot of studies, like, things for things to get into breast milk. I'm not a doctor. It's hard.
[57:25]
Amanda Hirsch
It's hard.
[57:25]
Courtney Kardashian
And if there is any, it's usually tiny traces of it. And you're like, okay, you could have some, you know, but. But there are. Is there stuff that's. There's like, lemme mama.
[57:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, there's Lemme mama. Prenatal.
[57:38]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[57:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Why? I don't take that.
[57:39]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah, you don't take that.
[57:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[57:41]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay. So we were at the sleep. Let me wake up.
[57:44]
Amanda Hirsch
And then that's. That's it for now. Depending where I am, like, I'll bring a. Let me chill to la. I alternate. I mean, Phil takes them.
[57:53]
Courtney Kardashian
Let me chill. By the way, I took it and it is. What? I have something. This is what happens when I put the eyeliner.
[58:00]
Amanda Hirsch
I can't believe you did your. Your glam yourself. Looks great.
[58:03]
Courtney Kardashian
Because I don't do glam. I'm still the same.
[58:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. With Princess.
[58:07]
Courtney Kardashian
Okay. Cancel the VR. Cancel the VR. Yeah, the same.
[58:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[58:13]
Courtney Kardashian
Tell the people that I'm the same.
[58:14]
Amanda Hirsch
You are the same, but with a little bit more team. Yeah, you are the same, but more team. But by the way, you need a team. You can't do it all yourself.
[58:20]
Simon Huck
Right.
[58:20]
Courtney Kardashian
You can't do it all yourself.
[58:21]
Amanda Hirsch
And also, I've been saying this since day one. I'm gonna say it again for Reg. The fact that you don't do one of those, like, town hall, whatever they're called live shows. Live shows.
[58:30]
Courtney Kardashian
The fact that you. Your dream is to do a live show.
[58:34]
Amanda Hirsch
No, first of all. Oh. Second of all, I just think you're so fun and people would love it. And I've been to those live shows. That's your community.
[58:42]
Courtney Kardashian
You know that. I'm like auntie until I'm not. And you'll be three years later, you're on a flyer. It's. It's. And then it's long gone.
[58:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, No, I see you.
[58:51]
Courtney Kardashian
So there are brands that do, like, stuff, kind of to get views at the end of the day. Like, they'll do brand trips. This is a business question. So they'll do the brand trips, like, the poppy, the tar. Do the brand trips. They'll do something dramatic for people to then talk about. Then they get a lot of press about and a lot of TikToks and green screens and whatever. What do you think about as a business owner, like, that kind of side of doing stuff?
[59:16]
Amanda Hirsch
So not necessarily are not our strategy, but I understand why they do it. I think it's hard to cut through the noise. I sometimes find it hard to understand, though, if, like, there is controversy or if there is this trip and no one's talking about the product, but they're talking about, like, how negative the trip was, or in some cases, like, over the top. Like, is it that translates to, like, the efficacy of your product?
[59:38]
Courtney Kardashian
Right.
[59:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, Lemmy does well on social media. Because people get on social media and talk about, like, oh, my God, I slept so well, or, oh, my God, this relaxed me so much. Or, like, they talk about, like, what it does.
[59:49]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[59:50]
Amanda Hirsch
So I don't. I sometimes wonder, like, when these brands spend all this money on a. On a trip, I'm like, are you getting anything out of it? Clearly they are. Yeah. They wouldn't keep doing it.
[60:00]
Courtney Kardashian
You know what it reminds me of? Which, like, I don't know. This is my world, because my world is like, podcast. Right. So in the podcast world, we know now, it used to be just audio, which I actually love. I love that podcasts are audio.
[60:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[60:13]
Courtney Kardashian
That you could just talk, whatever. And I think that's where most of my people are. Whatever. But obviously you do the clips and either do the tick tocks, whatever, like, as if to promote it. But here's like, an exception. So smart list, which is a. I love them. Like, I love the. The bros. You know the bros. No, it's Will. Our nad. Jason Bateman.
[60:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[60:32]
Courtney Kardashian
So they do it and they're like, not on social media. They don't have, like, the YouTube. Like, Sean sometimes posts, like, the audio with, like, a picture.
[60:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[60:41]
Courtney Kardashian
And if you'd see it, you'd be like, does anybody listen to this podcast?
[60:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[60:44]
Courtney Kardashian
However, like, people listen the podcast, the product is good. This is where I'm getting to.
[60:48]
Amanda Hirsch
So they do no video. Yeah.
[60:50]
Courtney Kardashian
At the end of the day. Or like, tick tocks or clips or any of that stuff. But people are listening because the product is good. Yes, that's what I'm saying. At the end of the day. Let me.
[60:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Could do all that matters.
[60:58]
Courtney Kardashian
Like, you could do the cute stuff with Cord and fly to L. A. Yeah. The end of the day.
[61:02]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. It's product.
[61:03]
Courtney Kardashian
It's the product.
[61:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Product.
[61:04]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[61:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Because I think when you think of celebrity brands in general, like, yes, maybe if. Maybe a customer will try a product once because they hear that someone's attached to it.
[61:12]
Courtney Kardashian
Right.
[61:13]
Amanda Hirsch
They're not going to try it twice.
[61:14]
Courtney Kardashian
Like, they're not going to try it twice.
[61:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Consumers are.
[61:17]
Courtney Kardashian
Why do you think that celebrities keep doing these brands? Like, are there teams pushing it on them?
[61:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, they're teams.
[61:23]
Courtney Kardashian
Their teams.
[61:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Their teams. And I think there's this dream when you hear of, like, like the George Clooneys and the Kylie Jenners who sold businesses, I think that, like, that sticks in their mind.
[61:32]
Courtney Kardashian
That could be you.
[61:33]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. And by the way, when celebrities are meeting with their managers and agents, like, they're saying, oh, should I start a brand? Yeah, I've always wanted to start. Like Homer. I've always wanted. So, yeah, the conversation starts and then, like, the trains left the station before you actually think, do you really want to be a Brown founder? Because it's a ton of work.
[61:50]
Courtney Kardashian
And if you don't. Because I feel like there are a ton of, like, celebs who've started brands that it's like, not.
[61:55]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[61:55]
Courtney Kardashian
Not there.
[61:56]
Amanda Hirsch
No, it's not there. And.
[61:57]
Courtney Kardashian
And even though they have a hundred million gazillion followers and fans, like, it doesn't.
[62:03]
Amanda Hirsch
You can't. A successful brand can't adopt a celebrity's community into a brand. Community. Like, that doesn't work. Like, you need to Build a brand its own.
[62:12]
Simon Huck
Yeah.
[62:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Its own.
[62:13]
Courtney Kardashian
That's hard.
[62:13]
Amanda Hirsch
It's hard.
[62:14]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah.
[62:15]
Amanda Hirsch
You see, some people who have been very.
[62:16]
Courtney Kardashian
At this point, people aren't even buying Lemmy because of Courtney.
[62:19]
Amanda Hirsch
No.
[62:20]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah, no. They're buying it because they like the product.
[62:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes, exactly.
[62:24]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah, exactly.
[62:24]
Amanda Hirsch
And the same would be said about skims or rare beauty.
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Courtney Kardashian
Right.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, rare is. You know, people who are shopping at Sephora and picking up a blush, right? Like, they're not thinking, oh, this is. I'm supporting my Selena. I'm. They're thinking, this is an incredible product.
[62:37]
Courtney Kardashian
Right. Which isn't the same for Ariana Grande's R.E.M.
[62:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Sorry, R.E.M. Oh, R.E.M. yeah.
[62:43]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. And Ariana Grande is huge.
[62:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[62:45]
Courtney Kardashian
You know, didn't. Didn't happen for her.
[62:47]
Simon Huck
Not that we need to feel bad. She has a gazillion things going, and I think she.
[62:50]
Amanda Hirsch
It's still happening for R.E.M.
[62:51]
Courtney Kardashian
Yeah. But it's not like, you know, didn't take off that way. Love you.
[62:56]
Amanda Hirsch
This is so. I hope I was. I hope I gave you.
[62:58]
Courtney Kardashian
You could come on every single day.
[63:01]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, God, don't say it.
[63:03]
Courtney Kardashian
Why?
[63:03]
Amanda Hirsch
I'll come every day.
[63:04]
Simon Huck
Okay.
[63:04]
Courtney Kardashian
I'll come every day forever.
[63:06]
Simon Huck
Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Knots Kenny. But not fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not skinny, but not fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday.
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Amanda Hirsch
Please note that this episode may contain.
[63:37]
Simon Huck
Paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services.
[63:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Individuals on the show may have a.
[63:42]
Simon Huck
Direct or indirect financial interest in products.
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Amanda Hirsch
Or services referred to in this episode.