BAYLEN OUT LOUD: TOURETTE SYNDROME ON TIKTOK

Summary

Summary of "Not Skinny But Not Fat" Podcast Episode: "BAYLEN OUT LOUD: TOURETTE SYNDROME ON TIKTOK"

Release Date: February 18, 2025
Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Balin Dupree

In this compelling episode of "Not Skinny But Not Fat," host Amanda Hirsch engages in a heartfelt and informative conversation with Balin Dupree, a rising TikTok star and advocate for Tourette Syndrome (TS). Balin shares her personal journey, challenges, and triumphs living with TS, offering listeners an intimate look into her life and the broader implications of her condition in the entertainment industry and beyond.

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1. Introduction and Guest Background

Amanda begins the episode by expressing her excitement about interviewing Balin Dupree, highlighting Balin's growing presence on TikTok and her upcoming show, "Bailing Out Loud."

• Amanda Hirsch [00:00]: "Her name is Balin Dupree. You might know her from her TikToks. You might know her from her show 'Bailing Out Loud.'"

2. Understanding Tourette Syndrome

Balin delves into her diagnosis of Tourette Syndrome, detailing the onset of her tics during childhood, the periods of remission, and the resurgence of symptoms during her teenage years.

• Balin Dupree [15:21]: "I started having tics around 6 or 7. They stopped and came back when I was 15, 16."

She explains the difference between motor and vocal tics, emphasizing the challenges in controlling them and the misunderstanding she faced before her official diagnosis.

• Balin Dupree [15:52]: "A motor tic is like any type of movement... and then there can be complex ones where it's multiple muscle groups."

3. Impact of COVID-19 Pandemic

The conversation shifts to how the COVID-19 pandemic exacerbated Balin's condition. Isolation and increased stress levels contributed to the intensification of her tics, leading to significant disruptions in her daily life.

• Balin Dupree [21:03]: "I chose to go completely virtual. So I learned that my tics didn't like my computer."

4. Journey to Diagnosis and Seeking Help

Balin recounts her arduous journey to obtaining an official diagnosis from the Mayo Clinic, highlighting the scarcity of TS specialists in her region and the challenges of finding appropriate medical support.

• Balin Dupree [22:27]: "I can't diagnose you with anything. I have no idea what this is."

5. Advocacy and Community Engagement

Balin discusses her active involvement with the Tourette Association of America (TAA), participating in events like Advocacy Day and TikCon. These platforms not only provide her with a supportive community but also amplify her efforts to raise awareness about TS.

• Balin Dupree [24:53]: "There are like three gatherings a year: Advocacy Day, TikCon, and the Gala TikCon."

6. Social Media Presence and TikTok Influence

With nearly 10 million followers on TikTok, Balin leverages her platform to educate and inspire others about living with TS. She shares candid moments from her life, breaking down stigmas and fostering a sense of community among her followers.

• Balin Dupree [31:57]: "I get a lot of support, but I also face negativity."

7. Personal Life and Engagement

Balin opens up about her recent engagement to Colin, discussing the dynamics of their relationship, especially in the context of her TS. She candidly talks about the challenges of dating with a condition that often leads to public scrutiny and misunderstanding.

• Balin Dupree [53:31]: "He’s so amazing with letting me know... he's the best person to have a child with Tourette."

8. Dealing with Negativity and Misunderstanding

The episode addresses the hurtful comments and skepticism Balin faces from those who doubt her condition. She shares her strategies for coping with such negativity, emphasizing the importance of self-acceptance and resilience.

• Balin Dupree [65:52]: "I have nothing to prove to anyone at this point."

9. Coping Mechanisms and Mental Health

Balin elaborates on the coping strategies she employs to manage her tics and associated mental health challenges, including OCD, anxiety, ADHD, and bipolar disorder. She highlights the role of therapy, exercise, and supportive relationships in maintaining her well-being.

• Balin Dupree [40:44]: "It's like trying to hold in a blink... there's an itch you have to swallow."

10. Future Aspirations and Hopes

Looking forward, Balin expresses hope for increased awareness and understanding of Tourette Syndrome. She aspires to make daily life more comfortable for herself and others with TS, leveraging her show and social media presence to educate and inspire.

• Balin Dupree [63:21]: "I hope that there's more insight into something that I struggle with every single day."

11. Notable Quotes

• Balin Dupree [14:22]: "I have Tourette syndrome and just take my power back."
• Balin Dupree [17:05]: "Don't approach me by my tics."
• Balin Dupree [33:45]: "I'm excited, I'm nervous. I'm just ready for people to understand me."
• Balin Dupree [41:12]: "Once you work on your mood, your tics are kind of impacted."
• Balin Dupree [53:31]: "There's just so many things."
• Balin Dupree [65:52]: "I don't want to have to explain myself to everyone because I'm not."

12. Conclusion

Amanda concludes the episode by commending Balin's resilience and dedication to advocacy, expressing eagerness for the audience to watch Balin's upcoming show on TLC, "Bailing Out Loud."

• Amanda Hirsch [68:28]: "I can't wait for everybody to see the show. Bailing Out Loud."

Final Thoughts

This episode serves as a powerful testament to Balin Dupree's strength and determination in navigating life with Tourette Syndrome. Through her candid storytelling and advocacy, Balin not only fosters greater understanding of TS but also empowers others facing similar challenges to embrace their authentic selves.

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Transcript

[Amanda Hirsch]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, guys. Happy Tuesday. I hope everyone had a great weekend. It's President's Week. Maybe I'm wrong and, like, yes, teachers deserve a break, but, like, I don't remember as a student who wished to have time off from school, having time off from school, by the way, snow days, like, I used to hike, like, to class in college. Like, I looked like I was constantly skiing because that's what I looked like. Covered from head to toe, like, literally in the tundra, like, hiking to class. So I don't know. All these days off, a week off for this? Like, did we get a week off of President say, Like, did we remind me. I don't know. What. What did I do? Where did I go? I for sure was super excited to have off of school anyway, so happy President's Week, and I hope everyone's hanging in there. I feel like February is going to come and go. It's going to come and go. We're mid February, so it's going to come and go. I am in my year of yes. It is so crazy. Like, the manifestation that I've done my whole life, which I have now, I. Now we have a word for it. But my whole life where I was delulu and trying to do these things that I'm kind of doing now, or put it out there that I'm gonna be in this entertainment industry since I was, like, born, okay, thinking that I would be sending emails, sending headshots, like, all the things, and then ending up here today. Now I look back, I'm like, were you insane or were you manifesting, like, that's a word now, which. Which we love. But then me calling 2025 my year of yes, that was my New Year's resolution, and I'm going to say yes to more things, really open doors. Like, I'm telling you, it's like the gods heard or like, people actually heard and are listening and are trying to take advantage of my year yes. And I'm like, well, I did say it's my year of yes, so. So it just shows you, like, when you're open to more things. It reminds me of that episode of Sex in the City where Carrie goes with Charlotte to one of Those, like, affirmations when she was doing the affirmations, and it's like, but are you really out there? And then Carrie, like, grabs the mic. Oh, hand to chest. Because she does that always. Oh, she's out there. Oh, she's out there. Oh, Carrie. Oh, Carrie. Love it. Love it. Anyway, so I'm out there, and you put something into the world, and it's kind of wild that it's. The world hears you, but karma, okay, we're world. I still like to stay in, and I don't, like, change. Anyway, you guys. So we have summer house. Summer house is back. I did make a comment when I was watching the premiere because there are two new girls, Lexi and Bailey, which is so funny, because that Bailey girl, like, she's in the first episode, she comes in with Lexi, obviously. Like, Lexi, like, stole her spotlight or whatever. She seems to be fine with that. But she's not in. She wasn't at the premiere party, nor is she in the intro. So it's like, are you a friend of. Of. Because, like, Lexi's, like, a friend of. Which, by the way, that always cracks me up with Bravo. Also because I know, like, from behind the scenes, like, none of these people that are supposedly friends bringing a friend are actually friends aside from the original, like, friends. So it's like Lexi being like, oh, I'm friends with Amanda. And then Amanda explaining it like, we met in an event once. Oh, my God. Best friends you met in an event once. And then when they're asked by Bravo producers or casting to. To brainstorm people, it's like, oh, I know this one Instagram model. I met her. She'd be good. She's single. Blah, blah, blah. Anyway, so I don't know where that Bailey girl went, but Lexi would. And Jesse seemed to be hitting it off right from the start. He calls her ditzy. People didn't like that. I mean, I. Obviously, if a guy said that to me, I'd eat him alive. I'd be like, you're ditzy. But, like, people getting offended on her behalf is kind of like, I'm over it. Like, we can't hand the word did See? Like, okay, but. And then her being like, I'm more than that. I want him to see me more. I mean, it's just funny to me because I know the girls have so much to say, and when they're asked about Lexi, it's like, oh, no, she's hot. She's cute, she's nice. You know? And first of all, I do want to give them some time. Like, let them flip later if they do. Right. But it's just not our behavior. Like, we want to talk, and it doesn't always have to be just, like, talk about it. Be like, oh, what did she do on Instagram? Like, is she a model model? Like, oh, my God. She, like, came in strong for Jesse. Just, like, we talk, so don't pretend you're not talking. It just makes reality TV a little bit more stale to me when it's like, people are so worried about the brands they've built and the careers they've built and the, you know, everything that they don't. They know how Bravo fans can be and how everything you say can be spun and misinterpreted or just looked negatively upon. So they're scared. They're like, no, she's great. Everyone's everyone. Everyone's great. And it's like, okay, camera's off. You're gonna talk shit. Even though I do see things kind of changing, because I know Sierra doesn't look like she's that into her present day when she was on Watch what happens live, it looks like from coming scenes. Maybe Lexi's jealous of Sierra and Jesse's relationship. I mean, Jesse is the type of guy that gets, like, super touchy feely with other girls and calls everyone hot and beautiful, so I can understand being insecure in a relationship with him, but I guess we shall see. I love Wes. I think he's so fun, and I love watching him squirming next to Sierra, even though he was a D to her. I think it just seems like Sierra falls in love and she falls hard for these, like, douche canoes that aren't ready for a girl. Anyway, that's summer house. We've had a crazy week of Kanye antics. A lot of anti Semitic that he put out there, which is so, like, are you okay? Like, no, you're not okay. But we also can't excuse this behavior. Like, it used to be kind of like, oh, he's not okay. Like, oh, yeah, he's calling himself Hitler. Like, okay, not funny. He was posting that up the wazoo. Just saying, I'm Hitler. I'm a Nazi. He literally bought a Yeezy ad during the Super Bowl. And if you went to Easy. Com, there was one shirt and had a swastika. Like, I'm not kidding right now. Like, I don't know if, like, you can go to jail for that, but you should go to jail for that. Obviously, it's horrendous. He left Twitter, which I wish he was kicked off of Twitter, but he just left Twitter. He's still on Instagram with like 20 million followers. Like that should not be the case. People ordered these swastikas by the way. Don't. Don't you think that those weren't ordered? Like the amount of anti Semitism in the world has been just. But at least we are hearing from some stars. Finally speak up about it. When it came to this shirt that you couldn't ignore. Matthew Coma who is a musician and Hillary Duff's husband. I, I love him by the way. You should follow him on Instagram if you don't. He's super funny. He actually came out with a fuck ye shirt. Yay. I'll never know how to say it. Yay. Right? And I said yay. I guess it doesn't matter. I guess it doesn't matter if I'm saying it right at this point. And he sold it and he is using the all the profits towards a great Holocaust survivor fund charity. One of those things. Anyway, I can't speak. Listen. I am so sad for Haley Bieber and Justin Bieber just living their lives. Like everything. It's like oh, Justin Bieber and Haley Bieber out to dinner amid like divorce rumors. And it's like what divorce rumors? Like they are okay, okay. Like I don't know their relationship. And if I had to guess, cuz you guys do know I'm a celebrity anthropologist. I would guess that it's really hard being married to Justin Bieber. I would guess that the guy has been through so much and so much trauma and so much just up that to me it felt like Haley was his like saving grace, like saving angel when they first got together. And that he constantly wants to try to be a good guy for her. And maybe he up sometimes like I don't know in what way he up but. And that it must be so much for her to be with someone that just needs so much. That's what it looks like from the side. So I'm sure it's not easy. I'm sure it's not like, oh, Justin the Haley, hottest couple, cutest couple. Now they have a son, which is wild. We kind of tend to forget it because they. You just forget it. But literally he just commented on Kiki Palmer's post and wrote she said I'm popping out. People are like, oh, Justin Bieber emerges without Haley after leaving flirty comment on Kiki Palmer's thirst trap. And it's like, maybe that's a line from A lyrics. Maybe they're doing a collab. Like, why is everything. Why is everything so dramatic? And just people want to take them down. Like people are going to be. Imagine just being in a relationship that you fight to be in and. And work so hard because every relationship you. You work for and the world wanting to take you down and are waiting for the day you break up. Like, that is so hard. Speaking of couples, Selena and Benny Blanca, who are engaged, came out with a new song, which is so cute of them together. And they also did an interview for Interview magazine together. Selena didn't want to share about the exact engagement story, which, like, we kind of saw that it was like a set and she had Taco Bell. But we. We need more. But she is saving it for her kids. Damn it. The whole story. But Betty Blanco just said such cute about her. First of all, he said he was into her music from the beginning, that she is the original sad girl, which I thought is so funny. And just that he's like obsessed with her. He even said like, he said holding her isn't close enough. I just want to be inside of her whole body, you know, it's funny. So I posted this and I wrote be inside of her whole body. I remember saying the same thing when I was falling for husband. And like, I get that I'm like, funny all the time, but I like, actually said that, like, you guys are like, amanda, you're hilarious. And I'm like, no, you guys. I. I actually, I actually said that. You know, when we met in 2010, I remember that's how I described how I felt. Like I was so in love with him that, like, really, like, what, the physical wasn't enough? Like, I wanted to crawl inside of his body. Anyway, today's guest is one that I've. I had to have. When I heard she was getting her own show, I was like, I. I need to interview her. She's so interesting to me. Her name is Balin Dupree. You might know her from her tiktoks. You might know her from her show Bailing Out Loud. You might know her as the girl on TikTok who has Tourette syndrome and is super open about it, super vocal about it. Raising awareness for it gets sometimes criticism about it. People sometimes think she's faking it. And so first of all, I want you to make sure you listen to this and you know and be open and don't be judgmental. I know you guys are sensitive and there are some moments where she does have a tic. What she calls them. And I was told at the beginning, like, you know, to just. You don't have to act a certain way when she does them. She doesn't like when you come up down the street and say her tic or like, you know, make fun of her, obviously, but she is light about it and. And I had fun talking to her. And she's such a sweet girl. And actually, since we have recorded, she and her boyfriend got engaged, which, like, good for her. She really wanted to be engaged young. Her mom has, like, I think they're like five kids. So I'm assuming she wanted to be like her mom and like, get engaged and married early and. And all that stuff. Anyway, she's a really sweet girl and I think it's important to hear from people who are giving kind of a platform for these different kind of kinds of issues that don't get enough of a stage, like, in this world. So enjoy my convo with Balin Dupre. Where's the dog? I was told there would be a dog.

[Balin Dupree]

So. Yes, she has not went poop today.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So is it a new dog?

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, no, but she just. She. So for example, you're in the hotel room for 13 seconds. Did a loop, pooped right there.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you have a wee wee pad? Oh, there she is.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah, there's a fluff.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Does she calm you down?

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah, she helps, like, everything really. You want to sit right there?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is she legitimately emotional support?

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. Not service, but 100% a support dog. I feel like shih tzus really do bring the most comfort because they're so lazy.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They're cats. We call Leo a cat.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Colin asked me. He's like, how is this dog real? Like, all she does is sleep.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You have an aura ring.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes. I love it. I love.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, let's go. So we don't miss any important stuff like her aura ring, you know, Suck a dick. So.

[Balin Dupree]

Hello.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You look pretty. You can see yourself there.

[Balin Dupree]

Thanks. You look pretty.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Thank you, my love. Well, thank you for coming bailin. I'm so happy for you today.

[Balin Dupree]

Thank you for having me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you kidding? Star tick tock 10 million followers? Almost.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Almost a lot.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

When did you start on Tick Tock?

[Balin Dupree]

I would say 2022. 2020. The end of 2021.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Balin Dupree]

I think.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What made you say I'm gonna go on TikTok? I'm gonna share. I'm gonna share this personal thing and everything.

[Balin Dupree]

I suck dick for a living. Hmm. Was it initially kind of stemmed from me being, like, hidden and like, I was I was just bullied. There was a video where I was being recorded and it was sent around. And I just kind of didn't really want my story to be told from someone else's mouth or someone else's perspective, especially since during that time I kind of, like, left all my friends left who, like everything in my life. And I kind of had to start over because I was so ashamed of who I was and everything. And I didn't really want to be that person anymore. And I just wanted to be open and honest with myself and just kind of say it out loud like, I have Tourette syndrome and just take my power back.

[Amanda Hirsch]

This was when you're. You're now 22, 2 and 18 was when you were officially diagnosed?

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So what happened until you were 18? Was it not as severe or did it just not have, like, the name on it up?

[Balin Dupree]

So I started having tics around, like, the younger ages, like 6 or 7. And then they stopped and they came back when I was like 15, 16. And I would say they came back right before COVID And by right before, I mean maybe four months before. And they were noticeable, but they were very mild. Like, I only had, like, a throat clearing tick and I had a couple, like, neck twitches. But it got to the point where people were pointing it out, and then it was like, okay, why do I have to clear my throat 900 times a day? Like, and the only thing I could tell people is I can't control it. Like, I just have to. I just have to do it. And they didn't know what I was talking about. So tics definitely started when I was younger and they kind of went away.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then when you were 5 or 6. Sorry to cut you off. 5 or 6. How did they present then? Do you know? Do you remember? Does your family tell you?

[Balin Dupree]

It was. I just kind of remember just thinking that everyone else did the same things. Like, I had, like, a lot of, like, motor tics more than vocal. So, like, you have to have both motor and vocal tics for over a year to be diagnosed with Tourette's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Balin Dupree]

And I only had motor tics when I was younger.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What are motor. What does that mean?

[Balin Dupree]

A motor tic is kind of like, like any, any type of, like, movement. So there's like, mild motor tics, which is like, basically like what I'm doing right now, which is like, neck movements, things like that. And then there can be complex ones where it's like multiple muscle groups. So like, for example, my wind it up, wind it up, which sets my tics off. But it's using multiple muscle groups, so it's a complex motor tick.

[Amanda Hirsch]

When you talk about it, does it bring it on more?

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah, it's like. It's like a trigger resetting off.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I get it. Yeah. Do you know? I know, like, when I. I can understand it from a perspective of, like, if I talk about having anxiety, like, I'll just talk about anxiety. Like, it'll. I'll, like, kind of feel it. You know what I mean? So is that what it's like. Like, you'll talk about and you just start kind of feeling it?

[Balin Dupree]

Well, since, like, the tic already, like, is a tic, like, resaying it is just kind of like resetting the tic off that I've already, like, said. So, like, when people approach me and, like, they call me by my tics instead of, like, by my name, it, like, sets all my tics off and I'm like, that's a horrible way to approach me because it's making my condition worse. And a lot of people don't know that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you're saying it now, which is important that you're saying it, which is.

[Balin Dupree]

Don'T approach me by my tics.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I also understood that you are okay with people laughing with you or. Or did I get that wrong? Or smiling if you do it. Like, that doesn't offend you?

[Balin Dupree]

No, it's just kind of like reading, like, my expression and my emotions, like, and then after I react, you can react.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, there's multiple times where, like, my day is destroyed and devastating and it's shattered. And that's kind of like, as a normal person, you'd be able to tell. Like, that's probably not something to be laughed at or things like that. But if I were to say something that's funny, I agree. If it's funny, it's just kind of telling and kind of going through the process, my parents had to learn. Is it okay to laugh? Is it not okay? How do we read the room type of thing? How to know when the right moment is kind of just goes based off of, like, how I react to it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. So you're saying my flavor's been ghosted? So you're saying when you started posting on Tick Tock, it's because somebody else posted something, it was circulating and you want to take your power back. Who's this somebody? Do you know who it is? Is it a stranger? Like, where did they catch you?

[Balin Dupree]

It was someone from my school and someone that, like, I'm Basically, I. You know the feeling. You know when, like, you're being watched or, like, followed or, like, you have, like, that feeling. Yeah. I don't really know if the video surfaced or went to the other. To other people, but I know that I was being recorded.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh.

[Balin Dupree]

And that's what I don't. That's like, the unknown is like, kind of like what the video and where the video went. And that day I went home and I was like, I don't know where this video's going, but I don't want her making fun of me or saying anything about the video because she doesn't know what I have. Because I didn't openly express it with the people I went to school with because I chose to hide and I chose, like, to not admit, like, I have Tourette syndrome. Like, this is who I am, because I was embarrassed of who I was. I had no confidence in myself. I was in therapy multiple times a week, like, just to, like, be able to be, like, I can look at myself in the mirror and tick and still think that I'm not an ugly person.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. How did you control it at school or did you not? Like, you weren't saying, I have Tourette syndrome, but obviously, were tics happening at school?

[Balin Dupree]

So my tics came back when I was, like, around, like, end of sophomore, beginning of junior year. And that's right before COVID happened. So about four months in, I would, like, make noise when we'd be watching a TED Talk or, like, my friend. I would go back and I'd let my friends know, like, okay, like, I'm trying to figure out, like, why I'm doing this throat clearing thing. My cardiologist thought it was, like, something with my vocal cords. Like, it was just kind of, like, figuring it all out. And, like, those things were tics, but I just didn't know they were tics. So I would. What was the question that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How. Cause you said you didn't share with your friends at school.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. Cause I didn't know, but.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You didn't know, but. So you were able to go through a full day at school and not have a tic in front of them or how was that?

[Balin Dupree]

So my tics at the time were, like, extremely mild. Like, it was so mild to the point that, like, these things that people were saying, like, stop making that noise. Like, do this like, Balin, you've, like. I was going on a lot of different medications. My friends would be like, bailen, you're really manic today. Like, you're really manic so, like, they didn't know the same way that I didn't, because doctors were telling me it's my vocal cords. Like, it's this. It's that we don't know, like, go see this doctor. So it's just kind of like I was figuring out the same thing in the same way that they were, but I never told them why.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did it get worse during COVID or after Covid? During COVID yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, right before COVID we tried getting, like, back in, and my mom was, like, calling the doctor, and she was like, like, it's gotten so bad. Like, it's gotten really bad. Like, we need to get in, and they couldn't see us. But I think it got bad because I chose to isolate myself and having, like, I'm sure during COVID like, for some people, it was either good. It was either bad experience. Like, I chose to go completely virtual. So I learned that, like, my tics didn't like, my computer. And I broke my brother's computer, like, smashing it with my fist, like, bending it backwards. Like, just things that, like, kind of made it hard to, like, be so isolated, then also have, like, this condition. My parents started noticing it more because now I'm at home more.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Now they can see me more. I'm not in school for seven hours out of the day. I'm at home trying to learn seven hours out of the day, and I can barely get myself dressed in the morning. Like, it went from, like. Like a. Like a two to like, a 12. Like, I was getting fed by my parents. Like, I couldn't, like, stand up. I was throwing myself on the floor. Like, just, like, a lot. And a lot of things happened during COVID that I think set it off. Like, just being at home, like, not socializing like, you had it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then Covid was, like, the culprit to really, like, turn that baby on.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. So what doctor. What kind of doctor diagnoses this?

[Balin Dupree]

A neurologist. A neurologist that specializes in movement disorders, but they have to specialize in Tourette's, which is super hard to find. So when I finally got, like, my official diagnosis from the Mayo Clinic, from a doctor who's a neurologist that specializes in Tourette. She looked at us, and she was like, good luck finding a doctor near your area.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, you're in West Virginia. For everyone that. Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So where did you go to get diagnosed? New York.

[Balin Dupree]

The Mayo Clinic. In Minnesota.

[Amanda Hirsch]

In Minnesota.

[Balin Dupree]

I. That's where I got my official, official diagnosis.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So then she's saying what? Like, there would. Couldn't find anyone to treat you properly in your area.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. So the neurologist I went to go see basically was like, I can't diagnose you with anything. I have no idea what this is. I never want to see you again as a patient unless you come back for migraines. Because I went there for migraines as well because he was a specialist in epilepsy. But he didn't want to tell us that until afterwards. Until it got too complex for him to be like, I don't want my name attached to this.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, this is too complex of a case for me to take on. And so he basically looked at me and he was like, you can't work, you can't go to school. You don't fit in. Don't drive. Definitely don't drive. Which I don't still.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You don't drive. Do you have your license?

[Balin Dupree]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is it allowed? Like, is it. Is there a guidance?

[Balin Dupree]

Like, I mean, at first, it wasn't allowed through my doctor because at the time I had a tic where I was hitting my foot off my head. That's how.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, hitting your foot off your head?

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. I'm very flexible.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I was trying to picture that. I was like, wait, that gets to your forehead? Yes.

[Balin Dupree]

And it would. It would be in, like, my mom would be like, what is going on right now? I'm like, mom, just cover me. Just cover me. And we'd be in, like, Marshalls, and I didn't want anyone to see. And I'd be like, mom, I have to hit my iPhone. She's like, okay. And that's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But you have to. You could do it standing up.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes. And that's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's why.

[Balin Dupree]

That's why my doctor was like, this is too much of a case. Like, these aren't ticks. And it's like coming from doctors who don't know about Tourette, like, anything can be a tic. And like, I know going and meeting people at the tia, like, they all have the same story.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What is a taa?

[Balin Dupree]

The TIA is the Tourette's association of America. And there's basically a community of people that all have Tourette or tic disorders. And I've met so many amazing people through there and friends. And just how do you meet?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is there, like a gathering?

[Balin Dupree]

There's like three gatherings a year. So there's like, Advocacy Day, titcon, and then there's like, the gala tikcon. Yes. It's like a tic conference.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Balin Dupree]

So it's like the only conference that they have for, like, the Tourette community where, like, so for advocacy Day, like, we were going to the Capitol and we're going and asking Congress for, like, more money that. For, like, the CDC for, like, healthcare for help. And like, tikcon is like, just dedicated to people that have Tourette where they're able to get together, have fun, be educated, take some courses together, like, things like that, and just be surrounded with each other.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are they super proud of you? Are they happy that you're doing what you're doing on TikTok that you're educating so many people?

[Balin Dupree]

Yes, at least I think so. But I just know that a lot of everyone's stories are the same, like, where they all stem from, like, doctors that don't know. And, like, you would think that, like, they should know. Like, but at the same time, it's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, so they were told other things when they were younger or.

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, yeah, they can't. There's people that I've met that have been sent to mental facilities. This was like, three years ago. They were sent to them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, people have been just re diagnosed, like, later than 18. Like, they're like, they got diagnosed at 25 because they've went their whole life and like, doctors just didn't know. Or like, people have been re diagnosed with instead of Tourette, but tic disorder, because.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And that's two different things.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes. Tourette and tic disorders are completely different, which they like. With Tourette, you have to have both vocal and motor tics. And I don't know a lot about the tic disorder definition, but I'm pretty sure you can have either one or the other.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I see, I see. We'll be right back after the break. I turned so many people onto shopping with Rakuten that were like, wait, remember that ad you did? Like, I'm so glad I actually listened and downloaded or started using Rakuten because how silly is it to not save when you shop when it's free to save when you shop? And you don't have to, like, be a members pay any fees. It's just like, no, literally, use this, use Rakuten, and you're gonna save money when you shop. You can earn cash back at over 3, 500 stores. We're talking all your favorite stores. Fashion, beauty, electronics. You know, you have Ulta, you have Fenty of every Adidas, like, all the stuff you want in there. And so this is how it works. Okay. Your favorite store, let's say, like, Adidas Right. They pay Rakuten to send them shoppers and then Rakuten passes on part of that payment to you as cash back. So use it. Then the cash back is deposited directly into your PayPal account. Or if you wanna be dramatic, Rakuten can send you a check. You can literally maximize savings and you can stack cash back on top of other deals. So what are you doing? You're already shopping at your favorite stores. Why not save while you're doing it? It's a no brainer. Membership is free. It's so easy to sign up. You're going to regret not doing this sooner, I swear. Get the Rack in app now and join the 17 million members who are already saving. Cashback rates change daily, so you can see rakuten.com for details. Rakuten is spelled R A K U T e and your cash back really does add up. I. I'm obsessed with snacks. I just need to have like a bar in my bag all the time. Like my blood sugar goes low. I'm a different person. You know, I just need. I just need a snack. I need something to hold me over and a bar that has good stuff in it, right? Because we don't want a bar that just has like sugar and carbs and bad stuff that like a good bar can hold me over. IQ Bar is my latest to go snack because it satisfies my hunger. I have no sugar crashes and they're super easy to put in your bag. Also, they're free from gluten, dairy, soy GMOs and artificial sweeteners. They are also plant based and they're such amazing flavors like mint chocolate chip, chocolate sea salt, banana nut, toasted coconut chip, lemon blueberry, peanut butter chip and so much more. More. Their protein bars are just amazing. But they also have electrolyte mixes, mushroom coffees and so many other categories. And right now IQ Bar is offering my special podcast listeners do, do, do, do do. 20% of all of IQ bar products and get free shipping. So to get your 20% off, just text not skinny to 64,000. Again text not skinny to 64,000. That's not skinny to 64,000. Message and data rates may apply. See terms for details. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[Balin Dupree]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You may know me from Days of Our Lives, Melrose Place, Real Housewives of.

[Balin Dupree]

Beverly Hills, and I've been around for a while. Clash of the Titans, Louisiana Law.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's right. But there's a lot more to us than what you've seen on Screen. Let me tell you, we've been together.

[Balin Dupree]

For over 30 years.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We have some crazy stories to tell and on this podcast we're going to own it, baby. We'll talk about everything from love to sex to pop culture to juicy behind the scenes stories we've never told before. You can listen to new episodes of our podcast.

[Balin Dupree]

Let's not talk about the husband every Friday.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Follow the show wherever you get your podcasts so you don't miss a thing. And we're back. Do you make friends from the community like you have friends with?

[Balin Dupree]

Yes. Beautiful friends. I have amazing friends that I know and I keep up with like on the daily.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's amazing.

[Balin Dupree]

And their stories will also.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, you'll have them on the show.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Amazing. Well balance here for people that haven't caught on yet. You're getting a show on tlc. I mean by the time this comes out, it'll be out. Bailin out loud. It's gonna be out TLC did your mom's out. Did you ever think you would have a show on tv?

[Balin Dupree]

Honestly? No. It's definitely like it's. It's insane to think about because it's not something that happens to a lot of people. It's. I'm very blessed. I'm very blessed to have this and have the opportunity to help other people and to just share my life. And that's something I want people to know is like this is my life with Tourette's. I'm not Tourette. Like I'm not the face of Tourette. I'm not the voice of Tourette. I'm just telling my story and my journey. Like Tourette. It looks completely different in me than like it would look at for. In someone else. And I just want people to also.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Know that like what is like the response that you get on. On TikTok it seems there's a lot of support right. About the show, about the show, about you. Like your followers. Like again, 10 million followers on TikTok, it looks like there's a lot of support. Do you get the other side of the Internet too? Like the negativity and.

[Balin Dupree]

Definitely I get a lot of that. A lot. And sometimes it is hard to not see it and not go down rabbit holes. But I've done the best that I can. It was really hard in the beginning as things are. But it's gotten better. There's terrible things that people have said. There's police that have showed up at different places.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like why police?

[Balin Dupree]

Because people sent me the house down the street in My neighborhood and said, they're gonna come find me and kill me. And they were paid and what? Oh, my gosh. There's just, like, crazy stuff that has happened. Like, I had a Turkish guy hack my account and, like, go in and, like, tell me that, like, I needed to pay him and I needed to follow him to, like, get my account back. Like, I've had some weird stuff happen.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Balin Dupree]

And the police officer was like, do you have, like, shades you can close? And I'm like, what? Yeah. And he's like, I would. In case you're sniped. It's like, why are you telling me?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, and you live in the West Virginia, in a small town?

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. And we live on, like, three acres. Yeah. Huh. And they sent me, like, they sent a picture of, like, three houses down from, like, our house. Just like, I know where you live. Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What did you do?

[Balin Dupree]

Freak out. Freak out. Mostly I like, was, how do they.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Know where you live, though? Like, on TikTok, do you show it?

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, no.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So how did they find you?

[Balin Dupree]

I wish I knew. I also. The other night, a Star six seven number called me and asked me, like, is this bailin from Instagram? And I'm like, no. No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So are you a little bit nervous that this new show is, like, even more exposure?

[Balin Dupree]

I'm definitely nervous, but I'm kind of feeling, like, every emotion. Like, I'm excited, I'm nervous. I'm just ready for people to understand me. And hopefully, like, I can go into a grocery store one day and, like, just not feel uncomfortable for one day in my life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you getting better with that every day? Do you feel like. With not feeling uncomfortable?

[Balin Dupree]

Definitely. Like, yes, But I feel like everyone is, like, uncomfortable somewhere sometimes, like, throughout the day. Yes, but there's a. I would say yes. Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is it, like, the fear of getting. Of it happening somewhere? That's the fear.

[Balin Dupree]

Well, it. I've kind of accepted that, like, something's always gonna happen. Someone is always gonna have, like, some type of opinion, no matter what mine is. It's kind of the fear of what someone's gonna say and how I'm gonna react. Because I struggle a lot with convert, conversation, confrontation, like, very badly. Like, I just, like, let everything go. I'm like, it's fine. Like, they're fine. They just didn't know. They just didn't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, if someone's being mean.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. I'm like, they just didn't know that they probably shouldn't look. Nine times, 10 times. And it's like, how do I approach them the right way and say, like, hey, like, I have Tourette syndrome. Like, please stop staring at me. Yeah, but, like, then it's like they say something and it's not that simple. It doesn't end up being that simple. And then there's people that say, you don't need to explain yourself. And I'm like, yeah, I do. When I cuss out your grandma in a Marshall's line, I probably need to explain myself. Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, is this what you said? Does this happen?

[Balin Dupree]

Yes. People are like, you. You never have to explain yourself. Don't explain yourself to everyone. And then I'm like, oh, yeah. Says the grandma that turned around looking at me like, what did you just say?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do your parents that are here and they're gonna be on the show as well.

[Balin Dupree]

My dad's bald.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you? He is. He is. So what?

[Balin Dupree]

Damn.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So when they're with you, do they ever do the explaining for you?

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, my God, yes. That's why I love, like, not going alone.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I was gonna ask you.

[Balin Dupree]

Even, like, when I have Fluffy, I have more confidence and comfort. Or I'm like, I will say something if you come up and say something about my dog. And then it leads to, what do you. What noise are you making? What are you doing? Yeah, but I mean, I've had people that have come up and pet Fluffy, and like, they're like 7 years old. And I'll tell them to, like, f off, right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

And then they'll be like, I'll be like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I have Tourette. And even they'll be like, I just figured, because that's not something normal to say. So it's like, if some. That person can understand it at such a small age.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Then an adult should have to. But so the bad words, that's the corporate.

[Balin Dupree]

Shut the fuck up. You jumped up a fucking bitch. That's Corporal atl.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's corporate. And I see, like, it really does get exacerbated when you talk about it, I feel like, from our conversation, like, when we're talking about it specifically Corporal Corporalia. Okay, that's the bad words.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And that. Did that. Did that start right away when you.

[Balin Dupree]

No, it actually did not at all. Like, it started with like, oh, my gosh, like, you have the nice Tourette. Like, that's what I heard from people. It's like, you don't have that disgusting language of a mouth. Like, oh, my gosh, you're. Thank God you don't cuss because you'd be so ugly if you cussed. Like, that's the stuff that I heard, like, when I first started ticcing and, like. And it got like. My tics were very active, but none of them were cussing. None of them were, like, obscene words or, like, gestures. Until my brothers, when I came back from college, I think around Thanksgiving or Christmas or something, their Xboxes were downstairs in the basement where I was living when I came home. And you hear a lot of things out of four young mouths, three young mouse when they're playing Xbox with.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Cause you have four brothers and a sister. Yes. And you. You're sick. Which mom? Like, how the f did you have six kids? That's wild. Oh, my God.

[Balin Dupree]

I'm playing it for nine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And she.

[Balin Dupree]

I'm just kidding.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We'll talk about you wanting kids at such a young age. Okay, so your brother is playing Xbox and they're saying bad words.

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, yes. All three of them. Yes. It's like your mom smells like dog water. Like you. Like the most strangest things, like, you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Were picking that up.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then you think it kind of, like, triggered something.

[Balin Dupree]

Most likely, yeah. Which is really, like, when, like, I've worked with, like, techniques and things with Dana, like, doing, like, therapy and, like, trying to, like, rewire my brain. And it's a lot of work. Like, it's a lot and a lot of work that I've put in for 5, 6 years with working with her that I've learned that reverting my urge to puck instead of fuck. Fuck off, bitch. Doesn't work. Like, in, like, it, like, does not work. There are certain things that, like, I can switch to try to rewire my brain. So one time I had a tic that was BBC and now it's bbq.

[Amanda Hirsch]

BBC, like the channel?

[Balin Dupree]

No, big black cucumber.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God. Wait, I'm supposed to know. This is a TikTok thing. Sorry, guys, I didn't know. What can I do?

[Balin Dupree]

Bbq. That's a big barbecue.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you changed it to bbq? It worked.

[Balin Dupree]

Yep.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Balin Dupree]

So, like, that's kind of how, like, I learned to, like, revert urges and, like, rewire my brain. But it only works with certain tics. So, like, cussing. I've tried, like, deep breathing. I've tried, like, certain things like that, and they do work for certain situations in certain scenarios. Like, I know that me doing deep breathing can help me in the elevator instead of saying puck or fuck.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, I know that can help me. And I know when I get to my house, That I can say fuck and I can let it out. So it's just kind of like, instead of me, like, hating myself for swearing, because I really did. I really had, like, a very mental, deep, dark spot for that, which I still kind of do. Yeah, it's just kind of like knowing, like, the environment, like, when I. It's like masking, like, I'm camouflaging my tics. And I learned that through therapy and things, versus instead of, like, me trying to hate myself or trying. Trying to replace a bad word, versus, like, me learning, like, where I can say it and, like, where I can work on techniques to help it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you said it feels like an itch that you have to swallow.

[Balin Dupree]

It's like trying to hold in, like, a blank. Like, if I asked you to, like, hold in a blank and you could only do it for, like, a certain amount of times before your eyes water and then you blink, and then you're like, oh, wait, my eyes are watering. I need to blink three more times. And it's like. Well, that's what.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because you talk about your OCD as well, right? That you have to do things in threes. So it kind of kind of goes together. Like the OCD and the Tourette's.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. So it's the way I like to explain it is like, the Tourette is something you see. It's. It's the iceberg. And then underneath the water is what's buried underneath the iceberg. The things you can't see that are underneath the surface, which are the comorbidities, like ocd, anxiety, bipolar, autism, depression, ocd, all of those wonderful things.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And for you, it's just the ocd. It's not all of those things.

[Balin Dupree]

I have ocd, I have anxiety, I have adhd, I have bipolar and ocd.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What are you treating, like, any of that stuff? Are you treating with medications?

[Balin Dupree]

So I'm trying to treat kind of the bipolar and ocd, because once you kind of work on, like, your mood, your tics are kind of impacted, if that makes any sense.

[Amanda Hirsch]

More controlled, maybe?

[Balin Dupree]

Yes. Because when you're anxious, my tics get worse, but when I'm excited, my tics get way worse.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Ah.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, so it's just kind of like finding, like, a balance and having, like, bipolar. Like, there's long stretches where I am extremely depressed, and in those stretches, like, my tics go on and off. Because when I'm sad, I don't tick. Like, when I'm sad and when I'm, like, sick, it's very, like, it's mild. Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. And also those are extremes. Like, you were talking about bipolar. It's like extreme. You're either this or you're that. So then the tics are extreme. And your boyfriend on the show that we see col in that, he said because you were asked about your intimacy. He said that. Sorry, sorry, parents. But he said that when you're intimate, you don't.

[Balin Dupree]

I don't take nothing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right. So you can. I mean, listen, they're gonna see the show, so there are situations. I mean, it's kind. You know what it reminded me of? It reminded me how, you know when somebody has stuttered and they sing and they sing and then they don't have the stutter or the British. Yeah. So it reminded me.

[Balin Dupree]

It's kind of like also, like, when I work out, like, I don't. Well, I do tic, but it's not, like, as bad as not working out.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, so do you work out every day? Well, we talked about your oura ring. So are you big into working out?

[Balin Dupree]

Yes, I try to stay, like, as active, like, as possible. Whether that's like, getting in steps or just trying to get, like a mind, body, like, type of workout in. Because, like, when I am in the gym, it's a very safe space. But I'm trying to also, like, get back into, like, that type of thing. You know, you take breaks.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

You, like, don't like it anymore and you're like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. But you know that it's good for you.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes. It's something that, like, really helps that I know. Like, I'm not doing to, like, oh, I hate myself. Like, I'm going to do it, like, going to burn all these calories.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like your mental health?

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. Like, I'm literally doing it to help. Help my ticks and to just make myself better. Like, when I'm 50, I want to look the best that I can for my kids.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, for your kids. Wait, are you in. You're in college right now?

[Balin Dupree]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you were in college as you said before. So you left two years ago. Wait, so you went to college, like, right after high school?

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then left? Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Well, I was there for a year and a semester.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So why did you leave?

[Balin Dupree]

I wasn't the biggest fan of the fact that I didn't have a niche. Like, I didn't have. Like, I lived off campus. I didn't have, like, the dorm experience, the friend experience.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, you lived at home still?

[Balin Dupree]

No, I lived with my ex boyfriend at the time, my brother and his ex girlfriend at the time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh my God.

[Balin Dupree]

Because I couldn't live by myself because my tics were too bad and my doctor was like, I think you should live with people that get it, that understand that can help you. And at the time it was my ex, boyfriend, brother.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Balin Dupree]

Especially, like, finding. Especially, like, going through the dating process. It's the whole, oh, I've never dated someone with Tourette. What does that mean? What? What does that mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, you're like, I didn't expect you to.

[Balin Dupree]

Or like, oh, I like, I remember, like, I talked to, like, some guy that was like, FaceTime me, I have the best tick that you can have. And I'm like, okay, people are weird. People are weird.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Weird. I don't. What did that mean? What did he mean?

[Balin Dupree]

I don't. I didn't FaceTime on my blog. Yeah, it was like, I screenshotted what he said. I was like, this is not real. And then I blocked him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And how was Colin different? How did you meet him?

[Balin Dupree]

He didn't know who I was. That's his. That's exactly what made it different. He wasn't like, oh, when people start following me off your Instagram, I'm going to get, like, hundreds, thousands of followers.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, there were people that wanted to use you for, like, fame.

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And really?

[Balin Dupree]

And it's like, weird fame. Like, not like, oh, I'm gonna become like, just. Just, like, Just. People are just weird.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you know how to. How did you know? Because it sounds like you knew when they were being the, like, the.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, I mean, I went on dates with people that would be like, yeah, so I'm studying to be a neuroscience so I can help people like you. And I'm like, you ruined it. You ruined it, you ruined it, you ruined it. So, like, I knew instantly because he had no idea who I was. And he. The first conversation.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How did you meet?

[Balin Dupree]

Through a dating app.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh.

[Balin Dupree]

And like, I put on there that, like, I had Tourette, but I didn't put, like, my job. Like, I didn't put what I do like, and he kind of like, he never met anyone with Tourette before me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You put that on your profile, though.

[Balin Dupree]

That I had Tourette syndrome? Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How did you decide to do that?

[Balin Dupree]

It was like, something you may not know about me. And it's Like, I have Tourette syndrome.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, you just wanted to put out there from the get.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah, like, I don't want to have, like, on our first day, a conversation you like. You say the one wrong thing that I take rudely or weird. I won't say anything about it. I'll keep going about it, but I will block you as soon as I walk in the door.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, I just. I just can't do, like a. You can pour the water. You can pour the water. I got it. I'm going to coach you through it. I didn't ask for a life coach.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God. You. I feel like you could have a dating. Like, that's so interesting how people approach dates with you.

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, it's great. It was so much fun at first because then I could write a blog. I realized, like, what I liked and what I didn't like. People and the conversations that I liked in the conversations I didn't want to have when I first met you. So, like, when I first met Colin and we went on our first date, like, there was nothing about my social media. There is nothing about Tourette. Unless it's like, oh, like, ask a question. Or like, oh, do you need me to help you here? Like, what do you need help with? Like, are you okay? Like, things like that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, he seems so kind.

[Balin Dupree]

He is. He's. He's a.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How long have you been dating now?

[Balin Dupree]

Two years.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Damn. Yeah, and he did kind of like, because I got a sneak peek at the show. By the time this airs, all of you can watch the show on tlc.

[Balin Dupree]

But not skinny, but not fat bitch.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's my name. But you there told him you want kids by 25. He kind of freaked out, right? He started sweating. Do you still stand by that? Are you.

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you're 22 now. Okay, she got three years.

[Balin Dupree]

This. We need a home.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How so is he. Because he started kind of like, was like, okay, we'll talk about it.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What does he think now? Is he down with having kids young?

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah, he's. I feel like definitely now he is. Because now he's like, well, bail. And I don't want to be 30 and have kids. And I'm like, colin, it's fine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

He's like, I just don't want to be 30. And I'm like, okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, he wants to be younger.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. So we're both on the same train. So.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And how do your parents feel about it?

[Balin Dupree]

My dad wants grandbabies, like, right now.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really? But you have. Wait How? What? What? Your sister is older. No, younger than you.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you?

[Balin Dupree]

So I'm the second oldest.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The second oldest. Okay. And does your older brother have a girlfriend?

[Balin Dupree]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, so you are the leading. The leading.

[Balin Dupree]

Not yet. Burke doesn't have a girlfriend.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Not yet.

[Balin Dupree]

Not yet.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, your brother's trying to get him one. Well, maybe after the show. Some girls would be sliding in those dms.

[Balin Dupree]

He doesn't have an Instagram.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Balin Dupree]

Even better, guys. Even better. It doesn't have social media.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, that does make him cooler now.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Does Colin have social media?

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What makes you sad?

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, you wish he didn't.

[Balin Dupree]

I'm like, just delete everything. You're fine. Like, we don't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because there is a time, like, I'm enough for.

[Balin Dupree]

No, there is a time where I got so pissed, I'm like, colin, everyone that's following you is just women. But they don't follow me. They come from my page. But they only follow him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She does the due diligence. She checks you guys.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. I do the. Why are you following my man? But, like, do you think you're gonna. And then they'll get like. He'll get like, the couple, like, dm. Dms, huh? Like, hey, I know you're with Balin. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. Really doing this? Girls, stop. Oh, yeah. There's been times where he's gotten, like, pictures sent and, like, no. Oh, yes. That's why I'm like, just delete it. It's fine. You don't need that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You have me.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. Everything you will see will be from me in your flip phone. Just kidding. She doesn't. Next Christmas, babe, you're getting a flip.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God. So do you see yourself, like, staying with. Is he the one?

[Balin Dupree]

I think so, yeah. I love Colin. I love him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And when you really think about this, like, having babies at 23, how do you see that? Working with.

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, 23.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, at 20. Sorry. Oh, my God. I.

[Balin Dupree]

Somewhere in between that line.

[Amanda Hirsch]

25.

[Balin Dupree]

We ain't starting yet.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, no, no. No, we're not. How do you see that? Working with the Tourette and everything?

[Balin Dupree]

I honestly, at first, was back and forth with devastation. Like, do I want kids? Do I not like, thinking, like, I don't want them to have Tourette. Like, I don't want them to go through the same struggle that I go through.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But then I realized, like, why is it genetic?

[Balin Dupree]

It's. Can. It can be.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It can be.

[Balin Dupree]

There's obviously doctors don't know, but there's the genetic hereditary factor to it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Doctors don't know.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah, they don't know. Like, it can come from being genetic because it does have a genetic component. But there's people that. There's only one person in the family that has Tourette, like, for example, my family, and that's me. But there's other people that I've met through the TAA where no one in their family has it but them. Yeah, so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you went through thinking about that, like, whether you would take the risk of. Of passing it down to, like, a baby.

[Balin Dupree]

And like, at first it was like, no, but Colin was.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We've.

[Balin Dupree]

We've had a lot of conversations and, like, he's so amazing with, like, letting me know, like, what better person to have a child with Tourette than someone who has Tourette, like, type of thing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, it just be, like, better for them and better for you. Like, you guys. You guys both know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Balin Dupree]

There's just so many things.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What a, like, nice thing for him to say. And it's so true. But that was probably so comforting to hear.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah, it's. It's really nice to hear and just be around him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you are only 22, right? So you're in the world of, like, pop culture where like, everyone.

[Balin Dupree]

My. Everyone in my generation wants to have kids when they're like, 30.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

And then there's me and I'm like, so, babe.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But so who do you look up to? Like, who's your Adam Sandler? Really?

[Balin Dupree]

I love Adam Sandler.

[Amanda Hirsch]

If I could.

[Balin Dupree]

If I could come here and boho everything, I would and be like, you know what? Eff it. I love him. I love his. The way his. The way that Hollywood has not changed that man. Like, I just. I love the fact that he does not care. Like, I was told that he comes and he. When he's in New York, he goes and plays basketball with random kids. Like, he's just.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, you could go while you're here, maybe try to check out that court. I'll tell you where it is. See if he's around.

[Balin Dupree]

You know the court.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know the court.

[Balin Dupree]

Do you know I'm getting him a 23 and me. Just kidding. I was thinking about getting him that. I was like, I feel like it'd be a great gift, like, to who? Adam Sandler. To find out if we're related. Because I feel like I could. I could get him premium. We could upgrade. Maybe I'm related through the wife. I get the wife one.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, do you feel connected to him that way. You're like, we must be related. Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Cuz we both wear sweatpants. We don't give a fudge.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, yeah. I love that. He's like, you're literally so young. I thought you would say like Olivia Rodrigo.

[Balin Dupree]

Oh no, it's Adam Sandler.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's Adam Sandler.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. Like, I don't really have like a lot of idols. Like, I don't idolize people. But like, I love Adam Sandler. I love all the movies that he was in. I love his comedy and I've gotten that from the freaking thing Chalamet. And my mom's like, where'd that come from? I'm like, mom, it's Abby Gilmore. And I'm like, it's from Nikki at the global awards show.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We went and he said timmy Chalamet, right? Yeah, Chalamet. Chalamet. I saw that. I saw that. He is so cool. And he did dress up for the Golden Globes. He didn't come in sweatpants.

[Balin Dupree]

That's what I saw too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love that you love him. I hope he hears this and like sends you something.

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, I don't even need that. I just, I just, I just, I just want Adam to know that I love him. That's all that matters. Whether he sees it or not. Just whatever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So.

[Balin Dupree]

But okay, we need to get matching sweatpants.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's the next step first. No, she exists. Next up, matching sweatpants.

[Balin Dupree]

Adam, I will put on baggy shorts to match you. We will go to the red carpet together sometime.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So any girls? Any like, like, because I was thinking Billie Eilish.

[Balin Dupree]

I love Billie.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you watch her documentary?

[Balin Dupree]

I did not. I do. I know that. I know that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did she ever see your videos or.

[Balin Dupree]

I don't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I wonder, did any celebs ever interact with your account? Comment, reach out?

[Balin Dupree]

I know Neo did and Chris Brown commented on it. I follow OBJ and I talked about, I talked about him the other day because I'm so shocked that he follows me. Let's just say that I've started getting into it because Colin's like a huge Commanders fan. Jaden Daniels, I love you. So I would say yes now I am. But like if you were to ask me two years ago, I'd be like, what's a football?

[Amanda Hirsch]

What's above all? Wait, so obj, what, what did he do?

[Balin Dupree]

He follows me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

On TikTok.

[Balin Dupree]

On Instagram.

[Amanda Hirsch]

On Instagram.

[Balin Dupree]

That's different. I told my mom, I said, mom, they're different. It's different.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're like, it's more intimate on Instagram.

[Balin Dupree]

Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We're basically dating. So he started. Did you follow back? Were you following already? No, I'm like, he's only following you. You didn't even give him a follow back. Oh, my God.

[Balin Dupree]

Of course I followed him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Balin Dupree]

Oh, could you imagine? That would be so rude of me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is Colin jealous? Does he get jealous?

[Balin Dupree]

He's jealous. Yes, he's jealous. He's like, why don't you just see I'm him, say, let's only love the Miami Dolphins.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I'm like, DM him.

[Balin Dupree]

I'm scared too. I'm like, I don't know. I'm standoffish. Like, I just don't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're acting cool. You're playing hard.

[Balin Dupree]

Acting like, I don't want to come off as a crazy fan girl. Sorry about that if I did.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You should.

[Balin Dupree]

Should come off.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. And DM Adam Sandler, too.

[Balin Dupree]

Hey, Adam. Yeah, I mean, if you just send me your address real quick. I got something to send.

[Amanda Hirsch]

23Andme. Your siblings were talking about on the show. A lot of siblings, like, how they deal with being your brother or your sister, that they had to sometimes take the back seat and feel like your parents had to be with you or not stay with you. Did that affect, like, your relationship with them? Do they sometimes get, like, frustrated?

[Balin Dupree]

I would definitely say, like, it hasn't impacted at least our relationships negatively. Like, I feel like it's definitely brought me closer to each of them. Like, they each individually know how to help and how to stick up for me. And I don't know, but I definitely know that there was a lot that had to happen for me to get the help that I needed, and that did require them to be in, like, the backseat. But I just want them to know that, like, my parents still love all of us individually in the same, like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But are you the favorite?

[Balin Dupree]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No.

[Balin Dupree]

Fluff is right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Fluffy love. He is so cute. Wait, is she? Yeah. Okay.

[Balin Dupree]

She's a limp penis when she sleeps.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, literally. She literally just is like, she. So who are you closest with? Is it your sister?

[Balin Dupree]

Yes. Now. Now it's my sister. Yes. It used to be Sven when I was a little bit younger, but me and Sammy are like this. We did not used to be.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really.

[Balin Dupree]

No. She would. We would fight a lot and we would share a room together, so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And not anymore. Did you move out yet?

[Balin Dupree]

Well, I'm talking, like, growing up.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, okay.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, growing up, we only shared a room.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Huh.

[Balin Dupree]

When she moved out. Yeah, I had my own room.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

When she moved out at 18 and when I was 21 and me and Amazon.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But you talk in the show about wanting to get your own place.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is that in the. In the near future?

[Balin Dupree]

You'll have to watch and find out.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. She's becoming a reality tv. She knows how to save the. Save the tea for tv. Huh?

[Balin Dupree]

It is the tea.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It is the tea.

[Balin Dupree]

Hello. Hi.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What are you most excited for people to see on the show Balin out loud?

[Balin Dupree]

I'm honestly most excited to watch Titcon myself. Like, I'm excited for people to see my friends and see this community and just get to know them and their stories. And you can tell like, being there, like the difference between each person's condition and how it is different in everyone. And I just think that it's shown very beautifully.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you, you're hoping and you are hoping that more people will know about Tourette Syndrome. People will educate themselves more. Maybe there'll be more. Because you're saying like, some doctors don't even know how to like. No, said Trina.

[Balin Dupree]

I hope and wish that throughout the show, like, everyone learned something, but through this journey, like education and just knowing that again, I'm not Tourette.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, Tourette is shown very differently, but education and just getting to know, like me and my family, the dogs are in it. They do interviews. Fun fact. So I just want everyone to know the family and hopefully for the near future for kids and for people who are the older generation, just to have a little bit more insight in something that I struggle with every single day that isn't necessarily something I can show in a 30 second video. I prefer to show you the positive, happy moments of my life versus the devastating things that can really tear me apart. And it's really wholesome to watch and see. Like in the show, there's something that I'm conquering in a milestone or some type of adventure that we're going on through each episode of, like, trying to get better and trying to learn different, like, things that help and just like just getting to know me along with Tourette.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What do you say to people that will that have said that you. It's an act and it's not real. Which I saw that Chris Cuomo interview and I kind of annoyed me, to be honest. Were you annoyed at him?

[Balin Dupree]

I prefer not to say.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because he said something along the lines of, what would you say to like, dopes like me who don't believe you? Something like that. So he was.

[Balin Dupree]

I don't care. Like, I like you telling Me that you think I'm faking it. Like, it's terrible. Like, that's terrible to hear that you think that I have that much free time and that I would bring my family along and my friend. Like, that's the thing that. Where I'm. Like, that's what you. Like, it just makes me think, like, that's what you would do. Like, you. Like, you think I would bring my whole family, fake an entire illness for fun that you. That no one wants? Like, I don't want it. Like, I'm extremely annoyed and hurt and in pain and confused. Like, and uncomfortable every day.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Balin Dupree]

Like, I just. I don't like the name Mike. Tippy, tippy, top the wiener. Tapler tissue chicken. I just. That's something you have to deal with.

[Amanda Hirsch]

God.

[Balin Dupree]

That's a you and God problem. Like, me, God, my family, we're grounded. We know the truth, and that's all that matters.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's true. You have to quiet down.

[Balin Dupree]

That, like, we have to stay faithful at least through all of this, because there's gonna be things that people throw around and that are said and that are in the air, and that's drama and that, oh, my God, this happened. And she said this. No, I didn't. Like, there's only a few people that know the truth, and I really don't care if you still think I'm faking it, because I'm not. Like, and I have nothing to prove to anyone at this point.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, well, it looks like you have pretty thick skin.

[Balin Dupree]

So for you, kind of my adipose tissue is pretty thick.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But, like, you said something about, like, picking things up, and I was wondering, like, like, rotisserie chicken used to be.

[Balin Dupree]

Top the wiener, tap the rotisserie chicken.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Rotisserie chicken.

[Balin Dupree]

Top the witcher, tap the rotisserie chicken. Top the witcher, tap the rotisserie chicken.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So the rotisserie chicken one. How did that happen? Like, you pick up certain words sometimes.

[Balin Dupree]

Yes. So it started from tippy, tippy, tap that wiener. That's what it was at first.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, that was one of the. You change it to rotisserie chicken.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah. And then it changed the tippy, top that wiener. Tap the rotisserie chicken.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, you.

[Balin Dupree]

It's like, it just got added on, on with, like, I wish I knew. I was in Costco.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you saw rotisserie chicken.

[Balin Dupree]

Pretty much.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Balin Dupree]

Pretty much. Like, there's some of them where I'm like, oh, I know. And then other ones where I'm like, you don't know. There was a chicken it was there.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then it got stuck.

[Balin Dupree]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you have hope that you will outgrow it, that they find a cure? Like, I'm.

[Balin Dupree]

I'm not really focused much on, like, curing me. Like, I don't really think that there's a problem or an issue that needs to be, like, solved with, like, something experimental. I think that there's coping mechanisms and things and ways to help. But I would. I would like my tics to get better as, like, I get older and I progress. But Tourette is waxing waning forever. Like, it will always be that way, regardless of if it's. If it gets better. Like, it's a lifelong condition.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Balin Dupree]

So, like, there'll be times where people be like, oh, like, my son, my. My husband doesn't, like, have Tourette that bad anymore. Like, only I notice. And it's like, well, of course you only notice because you know what Tourette is like to other people. Like, you might be crazy to them. And, like, that's where the issue lies, where it's like, I'm not on crack cocaine. Like, I'm not snorting meth. Can you snort meth?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't know, but I think you smoke it.

[Balin Dupree]

Smoke it? Yeah, I'm not doing that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So, yeah, you have coping mechanisms. So when you have to deal with. With going out in the world, doing something by yourself and stuff like that, I am so excited for the show to come out and for people to watch it. Bailing out loud.

[Balin Dupree]

I'll fight your mom. You're like, well, you want to come to Thanksgiving?

[Amanda Hirsch]

You wouldn't. You wouldn't bail in. You're lovely, and I can't wait for everybody to see the show. And I wish you so much luck in your future with everything you decide to do. And it's so nice to meet you. Thank you for coming on.

[Balin Dupree]

Thank you so much for having me. Are you kidding? Thank you so much.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're welcome.

[Balin Dupree]

Awesome.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Knott's Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.