CAMILLA LUDDINGTON: GREY'S ANATOMY, ZOLOFT & REALITY TV - Not Skinny But Not Fat

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Podcast Title: Not Skinny But Not Fat
Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Camilla Ludington
Episode Title: CAMILLA LUDDINGTON: GREY'S ANATOMY, ZOLOFT & REALITY TV
Release Date: December 24, 2024

Introduction

In this vibrant episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat, Amanda Hirsch welcomes Camilla Ludington, best known for her role as Jo Wilson on Grey's Anatomy. The conversation delves into Camilla's personal journey, her experiences on the hit medical drama, her struggles with anxiety, and her latest ventures in the world of podcasting.

Personal Anecdotes and Daily Life

Amanda kicks off the episode with light-hearted tales about her Pilates routine, humorously sharing her struggles and triumphs with maintaining fitness. She recounts a funny encounter with a publicist on her way to her child's school event, highlighting the quirks of her personal life and her relationship with her husband, Matt.

Notable Quote:
"I saw the baby Girl movie... Nicole Kidman is motherfucking grunting, okay? She's orgasming on the floor."
— Amanda Hirsch [04:30]

Camilla Ludington’s Journey to Acting

Camilla shares her early passion for acting, ignited at the age of four by her love for Judy Garland in The Wizard of Oz. Despite her family's lack of connections in the industry, Camilla pursued acting rigorously, attending Italia Conti acting school in England and securing her first agent at eleven. Her move to the United States marked a significant turning point, where she honed her craft at the New York Film Academy before transitioning to Hollywood.

Notable Quote:
"I was really blonde and I started googling on auditions. I didn't get who got the role every single time. It was a brunette every single time."
— Camilla Ludington [32:50]

Navigating Life as an Expat and Mother

Camilla discusses the challenges and rewards of moving from the UK to the US during her teenage years, emphasizing the cultural adjustments and her adaptability. She touches upon her responsibilities as a mother of two, balancing family life with her acting career, and the impact of relocating on her children.

Notable Quote:
"I have anxiety. I talk about this on the podcast a lot... Zoof've love it."
— Camilla Ludington [18:24]

Managing Anxiety and Mental Health

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around mental health. Camilla opens up about her struggles with health anxiety, exacerbated by the loss of her mother at nineteen and the pressures of pregnancy during the pandemic. She credits medication like Zoloft for helping her manage her anxiety, sharing her journey towards seeking professional help and the transformative impact it had on her well-being.

Notable Quote:
"I was just prepared for anything. And then the pandemic happened, and it became real."
— Camilla Ludington [26:12]

Experiences on Grey’s Anatomy

Camilla provides an insider’s look into her role on Grey’s Anatomy, discussing the rigorous ADR (Automated Dialogue Replacement) process to perfect her American accent and the emotional depth required for her character, Jo Wilson. She reflects on pivotal moments, including the challenging scenes involving her character’s breakup and personal traumas, highlighting the show's realistic portrayal of complex medical and personal issues.

Notable Quote:
"You couldn't tell by the movie. So I went to a wig shop and threw on a brunette wig and took a picture and sent it to my agents... My booking rate just went."
— Camilla Ludington [32:50]

**Leaving Grey’s Anatomy and Future Endeavors**

Discussing the longevity of Grey’s Anatomy, Camilla shares her thoughts on the show's continued success, attributing it to its loyal fanbase and adaptability through streaming platforms. She expresses optimism about the show's future and her own potential departure, emphasizing her desire to explore new creative avenues and projects beyond the medical drama.

Notable Quote:
"I think there's so much more to tell, so as long as I'll have me, I'll stay."
— Camilla Ludington [39:15]

Launching a New Podcast: Call It What It Is

Camilla reveals her exciting new project—a podcast co-hosted with Jessica Capshaw titled Call It What It Is. The podcast aims to create a space for genuine conversations, breaking away from the scripted and polished narratives often seen in traditional media. They intend to foster a community feel, inviting guests and listeners to share their stories and challenges openly.

Notable Quote:
"We got to shake off our media training and be really real and really vulnerable and talk about a bunch of stuff."
— Camilla Ludington [55:30]

Social Media Presence and Content Creation

Embracing her role as a content creator, Camilla discusses her active engagement on platforms like TikTok and Instagram Reels. She shares insights into her creative process, managing her online persona, and the collaborative efforts involved in producing engaging digital content.

Notable Quote:
"I'll give feedback, like, take a two seconds off because it makes it not funny if you know..."
— Camilla Ludington [58:39]

Closing Thoughts

Amanda and Camilla conclude the episode by reflecting on their shared experiences in the entertainment industry, the importance of mental health, and the excitement surrounding their new podcast venture. They encourage listeners to connect with their communities and continue engaging with meaningful conversations both on and off the screen.

Notable Quote:
"Grey's Anatomy is on, everybody. Go watch it. Everybody. Listen to your podcast. Call it like it is."
— Amanda Hirsch [63:37]

Key Takeaways

Camilla Ludington’s Acting Journey: From her early beginnings in England to her impactful role on Grey’s Anatomy, Camilla's dedication to her craft highlights her resilience and passion for storytelling.
Mental Health Advocacy: Both Amanda and Camilla emphasize the importance of addressing mental health openly, sharing personal struggles to inspire and support their audience.
Transition to New Projects: With the launch of Call It What It Is, Camilla steps into a new realm of content creation, aiming to foster authentic and vulnerable conversations.
Community and Support: The episode underscores the value of community, whether through loyal fanbases in long-running TV shows or through new podcast initiatives that seek to build supportive listener networks.

For More Information:

Follow Amanda Hirsch on Instagram: @NotSkinnyButNotFat
Listen to Call It What It Is Podcast: Coming soon!

Note: This summary excludes promotional advertisements and focuses solely on the conversational content between Amanda Hirsch and Camilla Ludington.

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[00:01]
Camilla Ludington
The following podcast is a Dear Media production.
[00:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, guys. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to another episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. This is Amanda, your girl. Your girl who just did Pilates. Who am I? You guys are like, who are you? And it's a great question. It's a great question. And I'm sore. And I like being sore. Like, I'm sorry. What? I did always love Pilates. And then everyone started doing Pilates. What do they call it? Reformer? Or, like, whatever you get on that machine that straps you in. I don't like that. Surprise. In, like, 2012, I used to do, like, Pilates on a mat and loved it and got an ab and people used to call me Amanda Tupac because I had, like, two, I think. And then I spent years trying to find, like, the same kind of Pilates that I did with that instructor after I moved away from where I was living and I couldn't find it. And then I literally stopped working out. I finally found someone that does the Pilates that I love. She comes to my house. We do Pilates. Matt, listen, Your own body weight just does the most. Like, honestly. And I also do one time a week, like, of, like, weights. And, like, honestly, who am I? But I'll tell you this, like, and I've said this on the birth pod, like, Lenny, love him. Worth it, but took a toll on the bod. So I, literally, unlike me and very off brand, started working out, like, pretty much when I was kind of allowed to. And now I'm, like, kind of. I'm like, you are? Were you okay? Like, were you tired? Like, how did you get get into this? And I realized that I'm just happy. Whatever it was, however high I was off, like, being postpartum or not sleeping, that I signed up for, like, two workouts. And I'm, like, doing them consistently since, like, good for me. Pat on the back. I don't know how it happened, but I'm happy it happened because what the hell? Like, I'm doing it, and now it's part of my routine. She has a routine. Very weird. Oh, my God. Another funny thing that happened this week is we were walking. Me and Huz were walking to Noah's school. He had, like, a Hanukkah event. And I saw on the street this publicist that I know, and she's so funny, and I love her, and she loves me and my family, and she's always so kind. And anyways, we run into on the street, but she's never met Huzz. So then I see her, I hug her, we talk, and she looks over at husband. She's like, wait, husband, you're cute. And she's like, ovalder. So it's, like, especially funny. She's like, wait, husband's cute, and he's, like, all shy and, like, getting so red. And she's like, wait, you make him look like such a nerd that, like, doesn't talk. And, like, he has some edge. Like, what's going on? And, like, he was bright red, and it was just so funny. And I was like, oh, my God, do I make him seem like a nerd that doesn't talk? I think I do. And honestly, he does have swag. And the reason I even started liking him back in the diz was because he was, like, cool. So apologies to him for making him seem uncool. And, like, he doesn't talk, which he doesn't talk that much, in my defense. But he, like, spoke to her, and, like, you know how the thing is, no one knows his voice, so she was, like, shocked. Anyway, it was so funny. She couldn't stop being like, wait. And I was like, oh, my God, what am I doing to him? Just posting his calves and his flip flops. Listen, I think you guys aren't gonna see this yet, but I saw the baby Girl movie. I saw a screener for it. I saw 10am erotic thriller, okay? You guys, With a bunch of, like, journalists and shit. Because when you go to a screener, it's usually people that would write about the movie. Hot, hot, hot, hot. Like, Nicole Kidman is motherfucking grunting, okay? She's orgasming on the floor. She's masturbating to, like, dom porn. Like, it's crazy. Harris Dickinson. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Arielle and I were ready to blow up our lives, okay? Blow up our lives for this character. Like, Harris Dickinson plays Samuel in the movie. We were, like, blowing up our lives for fucking Samuel, okay? We were like, what's wrong with us? We want that. Like, we want it. We need it now. Blowing up the life. Then I just kept seeing interviews with Harris Dickinson, who's, like, so great, so talented that he can, like. But he's not Samuel. Like, once you watch it, please let me know. Like, he's Not Samuel. Okay. So anyway, when you see this movie, you will enjoy it because it's so fudgeing hot and he's so great. And it's just like one of those movies that, like, there's not a dull moment. Okay. There's not one moment that you're like, oh, they shouldn't have included this. It's all good. It's all hot, it's all suspenseful. Love it. Anyway, in a sharp turn to today's podcast guest. This was one of my favorite shows. I used to binge watch this show. I know a lot of people are still binge watching this show because it will keep going forever. Fingers crossed. Grey's Anatomy star Camilla Ludington. She plays Joe Wilson, who I love. Which, like, her and correct. Should have ended up together. Like, why did Karev leave? That's a whole other story. Why did anybody leave that show? Whole other story. Should have stuck around. Like Camilla Ludington and Ellen Pompeo. Okay. Anyway, Camilla Ludington is here. She's so fun. I've loved following her on Instagram. She's, like, so good at it. She's a content creator queen. She also has a new podcast with BFF Jessica Capshaw from Arizona, from Grey's Anatomy. It's called. Call it what it is. Anyway, Camilla is obsessed with reality tv. She's just. She's just like us. So enjoy my convo with Camilla Luddington. Oh, and Happy Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to all those who celebrate. Okay. Camilla is loving my studio.
[05:58]
Camilla Ludington
I'd love it. Want to steal all the things?
[06:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. What are you stealing?
[06:02]
Camilla Ludington
Okay, well, you made fun of me because they're not real, but I do. I. The jungle behind us.
[06:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[06:08]
Camilla Ludington
I said a little more oxygen in the room.
[06:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Where do you record now? Your new podcast?
[06:13]
Camilla Ludington
I. Semi new record in my home.
[06:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh.
[06:17]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[06:17]
Amanda Hirsch
But it.
[06:18]
Camilla Ludington
It's bad.
[06:18]
Amanda Hirsch
If you're in la, you can. Are you in la?
[06:20]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. Good and bad, though. I mean, it's like my dogs are barking at different people. You know, It's a whole thing. Like, do you have.
[06:26]
Amanda Hirsch
You have guests on.
[06:27]
Camilla Ludington
If I have a guest, I'm in the studio.
[06:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[06:30]
Camilla Ludington
Not in my house.
[06:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[06:31]
Camilla Ludington
That feels weird.
[06:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, it's very weird.
[06:34]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. I don't want to do that.
[06:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[06:36]
Camilla Ludington
Because sometimes you don't know everybody and you're, like, meeting for the first time.
[06:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
[06:39]
Camilla Ludington
Like, come. Yeah. No, no, no, no. But this is a good setup.
[06:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[06:43]
Camilla Ludington
At the I Heart Studios in Los Angeles.
[06:45]
Amanda Hirsch
You like it?
[06:46]
Camilla Ludington
We don't have any plants.
[06:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, okay. Now, I'm tracking when you record in studio, I know you're set up. It's very, like, more official, like, conference room vibes.
[06:56]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[06:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Got it.
[06:57]
Camilla Ludington
I don't want those.
[06:58]
Amanda Hirsch
You want more of, like, a couc vibe. I agree. Yes. I heart. Step it up. Sorry.
[07:02]
Camilla Ludington
Sorry. I heart.
[07:03]
Amanda Hirsch
I love you.
[07:04]
Camilla Ludington
Hi.
[07:04]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm so happy you're here. You're so gorge.
[07:07]
Camilla Ludington
It's all makeup. Didn't. Do not wake up.
[07:09]
Amanda Hirsch
No. Your eyes are, like, this really pretty. Like. Is that hazel? Yeah, that's hazel. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're wondering what hazel eyes look like, it's them. They're really pretty. Thanks, Joe Wilson.
[07:22]
Camilla Ludington
I know.
[07:23]
Amanda Hirsch
The cutest there ever was. Did I watch mashups of you and Karev this morning in preparation?
[07:28]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, my God.
[07:29]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm sorry.
[07:30]
Camilla Ludington
You did what? Do you like her and her new love link?
[07:34]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm down. But, like. Well, I always love her and Karev. Yeah, but, like, his thing. We'll talk about it. But when you first walked in.
[07:42]
Camilla Ludington
Okay.
[07:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Because I remember being shocked back in the dizzle that you're English and then.
[07:47]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[07:47]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[07:48]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[07:48]
Amanda Hirsch
I remember being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What?
[07:50]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[07:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Are people still, to this day, shocked?
[07:54]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, I think most people know.
[07:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[07:57]
Camilla Ludington
And they. I think most people know at this point because they're very confused by my accent that it's just during the season that we film, which is nine months of the year, and it's been 13 years, it's not going to be fully British anymore. And when I'm in it, it just goes. It's just very American.
[08:15]
Amanda Hirsch
So when you. When you started, though, was it hard?
[08:19]
Camilla Ludington
It was definitely harder.
[08:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[08:21]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[08:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Did you always know how to do well, you live here a little bit when you were younger?
[08:25]
Camilla Ludington
I lived here for one year when I was 14.
[08:28]
Amanda Hirsch
That's it.
[08:29]
Camilla Ludington
That's it. I could always do an American accent when I was really little.
[08:34]
Amanda Hirsch
How?
[08:35]
Camilla Ludington
I think it's because in the UK and all over the world, it's your media that we're watching all the time.
[08:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[08:42]
Camilla Ludington
So it's like I grew up with, like, American movies. I'm watching. The Little Mermaid has an American. You know, all the. And so when I was just really young, I would go to the supermarket and be like. Just pretend to be American that you're saying that.
[08:55]
Amanda Hirsch
But, like, I. So many times, like, this is one of my favorite things to do. I'll be watching a movie, not know the actor or a show, right?
[09:01]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[09:02]
Amanda Hirsch
And I'll be like, to my Husband who doesn't care. Like, I'm gonna Google them right now. You'll see they're British. Because I could tell by the ax, by the way they're speaking English.
[09:10]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[09:11]
Amanda Hirsch
Sometimes they drag out, like, more of the letters because it's, like, harder for them.
[09:14]
Camilla Ludington
I can hear that. I can hear it, too, so.
[09:17]
Amanda Hirsch
But you did. That's. I'm saying, like, you. It's not like. Give yourself more credit. Not every British person can fucking do it.
[09:24]
Camilla Ludington
I can do pretty good.
[09:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[09:25]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. So stuff I do not well. And. And I can do it.
[09:29]
Amanda Hirsch
What do you do? Not well. I mean, other accent.
[09:32]
Camilla Ludington
Gardening, cooking. I mean, there's a laundry list of shit I'm terrible at, but the accent.
[09:37]
Amanda Hirsch
But you were talking about the ADR booth, and I feel like I've been hearing a lot about ADR booths lately, and sometimes I like. I swear I'm not joking.
[09:45]
Camilla Ludington
They're, like, the place to go.
[09:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[09:46]
Camilla Ludington
I mean, what are you hearing?
[09:48]
Amanda Hirsch
I love Break the fourth wall and, like, explore Explained back. Because you assume we all know what it is. We don't.
[09:54]
Camilla Ludington
That's true.
[09:55]
Amanda Hirsch
So you. What's ADR booth?
[09:57]
Camilla Ludington
So the ADR booth is when you screw up something. Right. Basically, a lot of times you screw up something. So, say for our show, you say a medical line. A word.
[10:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Wrong. Yeah.
[10:08]
Camilla Ludington
Or sometimes they want to add a line. Or sometimes something happens and something's fallen on your line or someone coughed on your line. You. You want to clear it up so the audience can hear you.
[10:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[10:19]
Camilla Ludington
You go into a booth with a microphone similar to this and some cans, and you re. You rewatch the show on the screen, and there's beeps, and you have to resay the line and try and match it to your lips. But in the early days, I had. My notes were accent, accent, accent. So you could hear your accent. My accent.
[10:39]
Amanda Hirsch
So you have to go in and do a better American accent.
[10:41]
Camilla Ludington
Yes. And I even had to do. I mean, it still happens. I did it a couple weeks ago, and I was like, play it again.
[10:46]
Amanda Hirsch
I couldn't even remember what you said.
[10:47]
Camilla Ludington
No. Because I can't. I can't remember. It was one word, and I.
[10:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Do they give you at least a bunch, or is it every episode you have to go in, or they give you a few episodes?
[10:56]
Camilla Ludington
No, you go in one episode at a time, which is why I.
[10:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Where's this booth?
[11:01]
Camilla Ludington
Burbank? Yeah. It's far from my house. Or sometimes it's at the studio.
[11:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Such a nuisance. No, the ctr.
[11:07]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. Sometimes it's annoying to do the whole drive and then you get there and there and there's just one line stop. You're in for like two minutes from.
[11:15]
Amanda Hirsch
Your phone voice note.
[11:16]
Camilla Ludington
We do that in the summer, actually.
[11:18]
Amanda Hirsch
You do?
[11:18]
Camilla Ludington
Yes. And I just did it from New York. Yeah. I was staying with my friend Jessica and I put a blanket over my head and I was.
[11:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Said my line, which. She's in New York. Jessica Capshaw?
[11:28]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[11:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Really?
[11:29]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[11:30]
Amanda Hirsch
I didn't realize she's upstate.
[11:32]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, yeah.
[11:34]
Amanda Hirsch
Lots of celebs moved upstate. Interesting. Interesting.
[11:37]
Camilla Ludington
A lot of pandemic moving.
[11:39]
Amanda Hirsch
So wait, tell me about this year. Why did you come from the UK to America for a year?
[11:43]
Camilla Ludington
My dad worked for 3M growing up. The company that makes Post its.
[11:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Right, right.
[11:49]
Camilla Ludington
And so we. He had like a job transfer assignment for about a year and a half. So in 98, I moved to Austin, Texas.
[11:59]
Amanda Hirsch
What grade were you in?
[12:00]
Camilla Ludington
The end of middle school.
[12:01]
Amanda Hirsch
What is that like at you?
[12:04]
Camilla Ludington
7Th.
[12:04]
Amanda Hirsch
8Th. So you came for 8th?
[12:06]
Camilla Ludington
I came for the very last year of middle school and the very first year of high school. Big. And I came from, like, a very small private school that was run by nuns. That was all girls.
[12:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[12:19]
Camilla Ludington
In England. And I went to, like, public school in Texas. And I loved it.
[12:24]
Amanda Hirsch
You know what's so crazy? You have two kids.
[12:26]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[12:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Right. And like, schools is such a big thing to think about. Right. You're like, where are they going to go?
[12:31]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[12:31]
Amanda Hirsch
And you have to decide, like, kindergarten, the school they're going to go to for their whole lives.
[12:35]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[12:36]
Amanda Hirsch
And all this meanwhile, you know?
[12:39]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[12:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Look at you.
[12:40]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, yeah.
[12:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, I moved around a lot.
[12:43]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[12:43]
Amanda Hirsch
And you were fine.
[12:44]
Camilla Ludington
It's fine. You're fine. You have a four year old.
[12:47]
Amanda Hirsch
I have a four. You have four, too?
[12:49]
Camilla Ludington
I have four. Boy.
[12:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, crazy. Cuckoo. Crazy.
[12:52]
Camilla Ludington
Not super. I have to say, my daughter had more energy. She's seven.
[12:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Really?
[12:57]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. She was like one of the lost boys in. In Peter Pan.
[13:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow.
[13:00]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[13:01]
Amanda Hirsch
So, boy. Maybe that's. Is he into like superheroes, costumes, things like that?
[13:05]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[13:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. Yeah.
[13:07]
Camilla Ludington
Spider Man.
[13:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. All of it.
[13:08]
Camilla Ludington
All of it.
[13:09]
Amanda Hirsch
All of it. But I'm thinking about kindergarten. I'm like, where is he gonna go for the rest of his life? And then my mom is like, you have to decide the one school is gonna go to forever. I'm like, mom, I literally. You moved me around. Like, how are you telling me this?
[13:20]
Camilla Ludington
Did you like it?
[13:22]
Amanda Hirsch
I don't remember. I'm fine now.
[13:24]
Camilla Ludington
You know, I liked it.
[13:25]
Amanda Hirsch
You liked it?
[13:26]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[13:26]
Amanda Hirsch
I think I. I remember in high school, because that was big that I moved to, like, you popped into New York City public school, and I was like, this is cool. Like, yeah. Even though I was popular in my last school, everything was going for me, and I still was like, new is cool. So, yeah, I was down, but I think it depends what kind of person you are. Were you always like, I was out?
[13:48]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. Yeah. I felt like it was just a new opportunity to meet people, and I.
[13:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Did only one year, and then he went back to the same school, and.
[13:55]
Camilla Ludington
And I end up going back to a different school actually was like, I don't want to. Now that I've seen this. I want. Well, I'd like to be with, like, not nuns.
[14:03]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[14:04]
Camilla Ludington
Not so fun. And some boys.
[14:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[14:08]
Camilla Ludington
So then I went to a different school, and then I didn't like that school, and I ended up going to an international school that had a lot of Americans in. In England.
[14:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, cool. Did you ever miss Texas?
[14:19]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[14:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Stop. That's cute. Do you go back ever? Like, that's.
[14:23]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, I've been back. I've been back for press. And then during the pandemic, my husband and I flew in to look at.
[14:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Houses actually, like, maybe.
[14:31]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. To think maybe this would be a move one day.
[14:34]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[14:35]
Camilla Ludington
But I gotta say, it's. I was like, we'll be able to get more land here. Well, no. Austin's really expensive also.
[14:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, no. Like, some. What? Some taxes? No. State taxes?
[14:45]
Camilla Ludington
No. Yes. I mean, compared to California, Sure.
[14:49]
Amanda Hirsch
No. None at all.
[14:50]
Camilla Ludington
None.
[14:51]
Amanda Hirsch
None.
[14:52]
Camilla Ludington
Zero.
[14:52]
Amanda Hirsch
There are states that don't have state taxes. So if you see people all of a sudden moving to, like, Florida or Texas, know why that.
[15:00]
Camilla Ludington
This is news to me?
[15:01]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[15:02]
Camilla Ludington
Maybe I wish it.
[15:03]
Amanda Hirsch
You're like, wait, like, why didn't we do that? Yeah. I'm telling you. Not because of the taxes. I'm telling you. People that move there, move there sometimes for the taxes.
[15:12]
Camilla Ludington
Well, yeah.
[15:12]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean. Yeah. Saving the state. So, like. Yeah.
[15:14]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[15:15]
Amanda Hirsch
So you're an American citizen now?
[15:17]
Camilla Ludington
I am. When Trump got to be president the first time around.
[15:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[15:21]
Camilla Ludington
I was like, I don't trust that I'm going to get to.
[15:23]
Amanda Hirsch
With your green card. Yeah.
[15:25]
Camilla Ludington
I'm going to go and get citizenship. Yeah.
[15:27]
Amanda Hirsch
That test is hard.
[15:28]
Camilla Ludington
It's no joke.
[15:29]
Amanda Hirsch
It's. Yeah. My husband studied for it, and I watched and I was like, I'd fail.
[15:34]
Camilla Ludington
Well, I. I ran it with my husband, and he was like, you're going to be fine. I don't even know if you need to study and I was like, let me just ask you some questions. He would not have become a citizen.
[15:44]
Amanda Hirsch
No.
[15:45]
Camilla Ludington
He was like, I don't know any of.
[15:46]
Amanda Hirsch
No. It's literally all the. The constitution, like, everything.
[15:51]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[15:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Do you still go back? Where are you from in the uk?
[15:54]
Camilla Ludington
I'm from a little town called Wokingham in Barkshire.
[15:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Is that far from London?
[16:00]
Camilla Ludington
Like an hour.
[16:01]
Amanda Hirsch
So do you go back still? Is your family there?
[16:04]
Camilla Ludington
My family like to come out and visit me and I don't want to go home.
[16:09]
Amanda Hirsch
You don't want to go home?
[16:11]
Camilla Ludington
Not really. I mean, my family, I love them. This is not a spoiler. They know I feel this way. They feel this way about me. They're all really annoying. So I just have to, like, in.
[16:22]
Amanda Hirsch
A real way, like, in a. Yeah, they're very annoying. Like, in what way?
[16:27]
Camilla Ludington
Like, they're just really opinionated. We're all very opinionated. We're all in each other. Each other's business. Too much.
[16:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. That. It's good to have some distance.
[16:39]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. Like, I'm okay being on the other side of the world.
[16:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow.
[16:42]
Camilla Ludington
But, like, we have a WhatsApp chat together.
[16:45]
Amanda Hirsch
That's all.
[16:46]
Camilla Ludington
Chat. It's all day, every day. And every single one of us at some point has, like, stormed out.
[16:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, we do that. And that's. And then you know what the humiliating part is? Re Adding them.
[16:57]
Camilla Ludington
You have to. Yeah.
[16:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Who's the admin, though? Are you an admin?
[17:00]
Camilla Ludington
I think I'm the admin for the most recent one. But that's the other thing. Sometimes I. Like when I'm not admin, I've stormed out. Yeah. I've been sucked back in because I just had you back.
[17:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, my God.
[17:09]
Camilla Ludington
Like, no, this isn't over.
[17:10]
Amanda Hirsch
And I'm like, wait, is everyone in it? Like, brother. What?
[17:14]
Camilla Ludington
What do you have two brothers and a sister.
[17:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow. Four kids.
[17:18]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. We're all in it. Yeah. So I have to be in the.
[17:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
[17:22]
Camilla Ludington
My mom passed when I was young.
[17:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, I'm sorry.
[17:24]
Camilla Ludington
That's okay. And that my dad's still home. They're all still there.
[17:28]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[17:28]
Camilla Ludington
I. Listen, I'll go back when the flight. That's 11 hours. Doesn't sound terrible for two little kids. The time difference and when they're a little bit less annoying.
[17:38]
Amanda Hirsch
The family, not the kids.
[17:40]
Camilla Ludington
All of them.
[17:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Everyone together is less annoying. I know. 11 hours from L. A. Things are far.
[17:48]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[17:48]
Amanda Hirsch
From New York. It's a little bit easier.
[17:50]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. Yeah. Much easier.
[17:52]
Amanda Hirsch
So do your kids, like, know their family there?
[17:55]
Camilla Ludington
They do. Because they come visit me.
[17:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, they come to you?
[17:57]
Camilla Ludington
They come to me and they come individually. So, like, my sister will come and then my brother will come. We're all together.
[18:04]
Amanda Hirsch
That's too much. Gotcha.
[18:06]
Camilla Ludington
We're gonna have a blowup.
[18:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so you have two kids? Usually people that come from a certain size family want the same thing. You know, if you're four kids, if you grew up with three brothers and sisters, you usually want that. Were you. Did you feel that or did you.
[18:20]
Camilla Ludington
I. To afford four kids in Los Angeles.
[18:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Crazy.
[18:24]
Camilla Ludington
I also, like, I have anxiety. I talk about this on the podcast a lot. So I didn't have any anxiety. And then I had kids and I had so, so much anxiety. God bless Zoft. Love it.
[18:34]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, same sis.
[18:36]
Camilla Ludington
Same. Oh, really? Night.
[18:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, I've had it before kids, but.
[18:39]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, I. I talk about Zoloft all the time on podcast. Yeah. Because I think it's important because when I. I didn't want to go on an anti depressant, and when I. It felt like, no, not me, not me. And I remember Googling who's on it to sort of see Amanda Seafried.
[18:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Shut the up. Camilla Ludington. Same. Same. Really? Same. And I said this on a podcast.
[19:04]
Camilla Ludington
Have you interviewed her?
[19:05]
Amanda Hirsch
No, but I said this on a podcast because I love talking about it for the same reason I said. I remember doing that same. Google.
[19:14]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[19:14]
Amanda Hirsch
And I even know that Amanda Seyfried was a Lexapro, not Zola.
[19:18]
Camilla Ludington
Yes. Yes.
[19:18]
Amanda Hirsch
And I remember saying. Not only that, I think she even said I was on it pregnant. Like, she came out and said that.
[19:24]
Camilla Ludington
Oh.
[19:25]
Amanda Hirsch
And I was like, oh.
[19:28]
Camilla Ludington
It made me. Her name made me feel very comforted because. And then I thought, like, well, me going on it, I'm. I need to throw my name out on the list because the list isn't that big.
[19:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[19:41]
Camilla Ludington
Of people that have talked about.
[19:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. We both know Amanda Seyfried.
[19:44]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, we know. Yeah, exactly. So I feel like. And the list is way longer than that.
[19:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Way longer.
[19:49]
Camilla Ludington
So let's talk about it.
[19:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Add us to the list.
[19:52]
Camilla Ludington
Add us to the list.
[19:53]
Amanda Hirsch
We want to be on the list. But it's interesting you say that. I remember when I started taking Zoloft, I was embarrassed by it to the point.
[20:00]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[20:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Where I hid it in my, like, sock drawer or whatever in college. And I remember my friend, like, seeing and being like, what is this? And I was like, as if I was like, on heroin.
[20:11]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[20:11]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, totally. And I think that affected my relationship with it so much that I ended up weaning myself off, getting horrible side effects, whatever. Years later, back on it.
[20:21]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[20:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Same kind of progression of, why me? How am me? Amanda?
[20:27]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[20:27]
Amanda Hirsch
You know.
[20:28]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[20:29]
Amanda Hirsch
To now when I'm like, come here, child. Yeah, you know, come a little blue baby.
[20:34]
Camilla Ludington
Come here.
[20:35]
Amanda Hirsch
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[25:24]
Camilla Ludington
So I suffered a lot from health anxiety. My mom passed really suddenly, and she was young. She was 43.
[25:33]
Amanda Hirsch
How old were you?
[25:34]
Camilla Ludington
19. And my siblings were. Some of my siblings were younger. And so when I had a kid, it did this thing where. And I've heard that this is the experience, actually, of a lot of people that have lost parents. So I ended up feeling like that was going to be my legacy too. Right. Like, I'm going to pass early and. And I'll never see their wedding and I'll never meet their kids. And I started to be really paranoid about anything where I could be sick or they could be sick. I was waiting for the ball to drop. Right. Like, I was just prepared for anything. And then the pandemic happened, and it real. I was pregnant during the pandemic.
[26:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Uhhuh. 2020. Baby.
[26:15]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[26:16]
Amanda Hirsch
And when was your son born?
[26:17]
Camilla Ludington
August.
[26:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Same.
[26:19]
Camilla Ludington
What is it?
[26:20]
Amanda Hirsch
August 5th.
[26:21]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, my God. 7th.
[26:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Crazy. Same exact. What's his name?
[26:25]
Camilla Ludington
Lucas.
[26:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Lucas And Noah. That's right.
[26:27]
Camilla Ludington
I said Noah. That's cute.
[26:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow.
[26:29]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, my God. So you know what that was like?
[26:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[26:33]
Camilla Ludington
We didn't even know if people could be allowed in a hospital. My husband could be allowed.
[26:36]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, they wanted us to, like, be with a mask. And I was like, no. Like, to push with a mask.
[26:40]
Camilla Ludington
I Push with the mask on.
[26:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Push with the mask.
[26:43]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[26:43]
Amanda Hirsch
I was like, I can't breathe. That's wild. Doctor's appointments by herself, right? Yeah.
[26:49]
Camilla Ludington
So stressful. I mean, it was very stressful. So it really ramped up. And then after the pandemic, I remember we were treating ourselves to a vacation in Hawaii, and I'd never been to Maui, and I was really excited. I'd only ever been to Hawaii one other time, went to Hawaii, and I ruined this vacation for myself. I was. I had so much anxiety for no reason.
[27:12]
Amanda Hirsch
What about what? Like, being in a foreign place.
[27:15]
Camilla Ludington
Just like, all of it. Like, I just. If they're gonna go into the ocean and they're gonna drown, they're gonna go into the pool, and if I don't grab them and they're. You know, I just. I was imagining so many scenarios that by the end of that, I was like, I'm done. I'm sick of my own shit is what I felt like.
[27:33]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[27:34]
Camilla Ludington
Like I ruined this vacation and I'm never going to do that again for myself. So I got home, I said to my therapist, fine. Sign me up for whatever the fuck it is.
[27:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Why had she suggested it before? She had.
[27:46]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[27:47]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[27:47]
Camilla Ludington
I was like, not me. Somebody else. Not me. Embarrassing. And then I talked to a psychiatrist and. And she said, let's just start. You really low.
[27:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[27:58]
Camilla Ludington
And I was like, fine. And then I just. It was really life changing.
[28:01]
Amanda Hirsch
Really?
[28:02]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[28:03]
Amanda Hirsch
That's great. Did you have, like, anxiety attacks or just kind of those.
[28:08]
Camilla Ludington
I'd had anxiety attacks before, but what I hated even more than an anxiety attack is I just felt like a general. I was. I was so used to living with just a general anxiety every day.
[28:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[28:21]
Camilla Ludington
Like, I was just operating with a lot of anxiety.
[28:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[28:24]
Camilla Ludington
And that was normal for me.
[28:25]
Amanda Hirsch
And that was normal. And you kind of accept it. You're like, yes. And now do you feel like completely.
[28:30]
Camilla Ludington
I mean, I think I probably have anxiety. Like. Like normal people. Yes. Yes.
[28:37]
Amanda Hirsch
It does tend to pop up on, like, trips and stuff. I feel like, even more so because you're not in your.
[28:44]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[28:44]
Amanda Hirsch
When you're in your comfort zone.
[28:46]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[28:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Things are familiar. You usually can, like, coast.
[28:49]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[28:49]
Amanda Hirsch
And when things are, like, different, you're like, whoops, what's going on? You're hyper alert and it's just like, crazy.
[28:56]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[28:56]
Amanda Hirsch
So thank you for talking about. It is really important.
[28:58]
Camilla Ludington
I think it's really important. Clearly, we both did the Google. And Amanda, by the way, I love you because you're like, imagine.
[29:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, I feel like she doesn't know. We need to tell her. We need to.
[29:08]
Camilla Ludington
She needs to be on.
[29:08]
Amanda Hirsch
I know she needs to be on. And know that, like, she made us be okay with.
[29:12]
Camilla Ludington
You can tell her. Yes.
[29:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Me and Camilla.
[29:15]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[29:15]
Amanda Hirsch
So did you, in all this time, growing up, through coming to Texas back, know that you wanted to be an actor?
[29:23]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, I was like four.
[29:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Stop.
[29:26]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. I was really young and what I just. I knew the wizard of Oz was my favorite movie and I didn't want to be Dorothy. I wanted to be Judy Garland. And nobody in my family had ever been in the industry. Not a Nepo. No. Would it? Yeah. No.
[29:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Would love to be.
[29:42]
Camilla Ludington
I was like, that would have been great.
[29:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[29:44]
Camilla Ludington
And so my mom was like, no. And her opinion was that, like, you end up like a stage brat, basically, like, super precocious. And I just begged them to put me in acting classes and dance and all the things. And so I took classes really young at Italia Conti, an acting school in England. And then I got my first agent when I was 11 and I was just doing a lot of theater and then came to the US and studied at the New York Film Academy.
[30:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
[30:16]
Camilla Ludington
And started in New York for a while.
[30:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Was that. What's a little bit. How many years is that?
[30:20]
Camilla Ludington
I think I was here just a little over a year, and then I went to Los Angeles.
[30:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. So it's a year program to do that.
[30:27]
Camilla Ludington
I was the first one year. Whatever it was at the time, a long time ago. Acting program for film.
[30:34]
Amanda Hirsch
And were you auditioning at that time too?
[30:37]
Camilla Ludington
No. And thank God, because I was really bad.
[30:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[30:39]
Camilla Ludington
For on camera, it's so different. So they would do like a mock audition. And I remember for the first time I had a reader here. Very different to stage right. Theater, the West End. And they had a camera here. And I didn't realize that in an audition my lines should be like this. And the first thing, camera. Made love to the camera.
[30:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, what is it one of those schools where you then have to watch yourself and everyone's.
[31:03]
Camilla Ludington
And it was so embarrassing because I'm watching them all back and everyone's not looking at the camera. And then mine started and it was like a deep, deep eye contact.
[31:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. So then you did that for a year, Moved to L. A. Mm. Did you have the same agent from London? Did you get a new agent?
[31:19]
Camilla Ludington
So my agent in London that I. I ended up having an agent as a kid, and then I got an agent as an adult and they were just terrible. I mean, it was like the one audition I had, which I was like, I'm not doing that was for like some tragic cruise ship for like, you know, 80 year old people.
[31:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Doing what?
[31:39]
Camilla Ludington
Like, you know how like there's the entertainment team. I was like, that's what they got you? Yeah.
[31:44]
Amanda Hirsch
And I was like, no, that you were like, know.
[31:47]
Camilla Ludington
It was. It felt very rock bottom.
[31:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Yeah.
[31:49]
Camilla Ludington
And I hadn't even started yet.
[31:51]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, like, you're like, I want to start a little bit. Let me be an extra somewhere.
[31:54]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[31:55]
Amanda Hirsch
So what was your first thing?
[31:56]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, it was a show with Christian Slater.
[31:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh.
[31:59]
Camilla Ludington
Called the Forgotten. This is a million years ago. And I played a murder victim.
[32:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Huh.
[32:05]
Camilla Ludington
I don't think I had any lines.
[32:08]
Amanda Hirsch
You died? Yeah, like right away. Were you a body?
[32:11]
Camilla Ludington
I was a body.
[32:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[32:14]
Camilla Ludington
I was really good body.
[32:15]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[32:15]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. I can. And we. And then it kind of flashed back to, like, where, like, how did I get to be a body?
[32:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so when did you do William and Kate? Before that?
[32:28]
Camilla Ludington
After that? This is my. This was my very first gig that I had. Like, then I did a bunch of different stuff. I did Days of our Lives, a little one episode. It was kind of hopping around.
[32:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[32:38]
Camilla Ludington
And then I was really blonde and I started googling on auditions. I didn't get who got the role. Every single time. It was a brunette. Every single time.
[32:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[32:51]
Camilla Ludington
So I went to a wig shop and I threw on a brunette wig and I took a picture and sent it to my agents and my manager. And this is my new one in Los Angeles that were actually good. And I said, I think I want to go brunette. They said, go for it. And my booking rate just went.
[33:05]
Amanda Hirsch
You know that there was just an article about this.
[33:07]
Camilla Ludington
No.
[33:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Like Sydney Sweeney. Like, a lot of different actors spoke about this. Like, Cindy Sweeney, I think was the other way. Only when she was blonde, it started working for her. Yeah. There's like a big thing about this.
[33:19]
Camilla Ludington
Yes. It. It really changed my career. So very soon after William and Kate happened.
[33:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Thank God you were brunette.
[33:26]
Camilla Ludington
Yes. I would never have gotten that. I mean, I don't even know if I would have gone in for the audition.
[33:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so the audition, though, was in la? It wasn't like a British production in la. Okay.
[33:36]
Camilla Ludington
No, it's definitely not British.
[33:38]
Amanda Hirsch
What was that like?
[33:39]
Camilla Ludington
You couldn't tell by the movie.
[33:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so were you into the royals? Was that like, except and exciting?
[33:46]
Camilla Ludington
No, never super into the royal.
[33:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[33:48]
Camilla Ludington
I love Princess Diana.
[33:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[33:50]
Camilla Ludington
But I wasn't super like, you know, William and kid obsessed.
[33:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[33:55]
Camilla Ludington
Now this is my moment. No, but I loved. I. You know what? I love that movie because it was so. It was three weeks of filming. Because they shoot those things so fast.
[34:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, right.
[34:06]
Camilla Ludington
And we just had so much fun. And then it came out and it was cheesy, delicious, you know, lifetime. And it was like, great. And then I went from that to being.
[34:14]
Amanda Hirsch
To graze. No, no.
[34:15]
Camilla Ludington
I got butt ass naked on Californication. I went from Princess Kate to, like, slutting.
[34:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Everyone tells me to watch California still. Like, it's one of those shows that people are like, best show ever. Like, how haven't you watched it all? And I know that I would love it. And I haven't watched it yet.
[34:31]
Camilla Ludington
It's really. I mean, it's a great show.
[34:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so you. Did you get naked with David Duchovny?
[34:35]
Camilla Ludington
No, I got naked with Evan Handler. Do you know who that is?
[34:38]
Amanda Hirsch
No.
[34:39]
Camilla Ludington
Okay. In Sex in the City, Charlotte's bald husband.
[34:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Harry.
[34:43]
Camilla Ludington
Harry.
[34:44]
Amanda Hirsch
You think? Harry. You had a moment. We had many, but ass naked. Like, what?
[34:50]
Camilla Ludington
Not this. Yeah, but.
[34:53]
Amanda Hirsch
And boobs.
[34:54]
Camilla Ludington
Boobies.
[34:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Really?
[34:55]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, but, you know, it's like you're. I was in my twenties and I was. You know, I didn't even have to work out, and I was, you know, it's like one of the Now.
[35:02]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. No, first of all, you look amazing.
[35:05]
Camilla Ludington
Thank you.
[35:05]
Amanda Hirsch
But, like, you wouldn't feel the same. You're saying taking off the clothes.
[35:09]
Camilla Ludington
No, I would need like a 10 up to my eyeballs. Just like.
[35:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Shut up.
[35:13]
Camilla Ludington
No. It's so different.
[35:15]
Amanda Hirsch
No. Than being in your 20s.
[35:17]
Camilla Ludington
Hell, yeah. And after.
[35:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, you turned 40 recently.
[35:20]
Camilla Ludington
I did.
[35:21]
Amanda Hirsch
No, you're.
[35:21]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, that's 41 next month.
[35:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, how was the 40? Was it a big.
[35:25]
Camilla Ludington
I loved it.
[35:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Did you do anything big? I'm not. I'm not offended that you said that.
[35:31]
Camilla Ludington
Well, I mean, because I feel like you have two kiddos.
[35:34]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
[35:35]
Camilla Ludington
And people are waiting later to have.
[35:37]
Amanda Hirsch
I know. I'm 36.
[35:39]
Camilla Ludington
So you have. I mean, I feel like, honestly, I didn't feel much different from 36 to 40.
[35:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. I feel like 40 is so hot.
[35:47]
Camilla Ludington
I think 40 is amazing.
[35:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[35:48]
Camilla Ludington
Because my 30s were better than my 20s.
[35:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes. That I feel like we can all agree on.
[35:54]
Camilla Ludington
You're in the trenches in your 20s.
[35:55]
Amanda Hirsch
No one misses their 20s. Gross. You're like that body on California Cajun, though. You're like, miss that.
[36:03]
Camilla Ludington
I miss that. Miss those jeans I used to wear. No, it's. No, I'm just thinking because we had on our podcast, people write in with their, like, problems.
[36:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[36:11]
Camilla Ludington
And we've had submissions where people are. Have kids and they're with their husband. They really miss their life in their 20s.
[36:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[36:18]
Camilla Ludington
I don't though.
[36:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. No, I'm trying to, like, respect that.
[36:21]
Camilla Ludington
I think like a drunk brunch, you don't have to worry about going home and parenting. There's no drunk. There's no bottomless mimosas.
[36:28]
Amanda Hirsch
I think for thing that we can agree on that's better in your 30s is like, you to you. Not even the kids and the. The added stuff. Just like you to you.
[36:38]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[36:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, who are you? Who are you now? Yeah. What decisions are you making, how you feel about yourself as a person? Not, like, hotness and stuff.
[36:47]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[36:48]
Amanda Hirsch
But I think it's that. That I can. I think that for every. For most people, the 30s are better because you're like, yeah. Know myself.
[36:56]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[36:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, I'm. I got more together. Like.
[36:59]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[37:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Not a dumb bitch as much as I was.
[37:02]
Camilla Ludington
Not as much.
[37:03]
Amanda Hirsch
Not still dumb, though.
[37:05]
Camilla Ludington
Always.
[37:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Always.
[37:08]
Camilla Ludington
40, I feel like, is probably going to be better.
[37:11]
Amanda Hirsch
That's.
[37:12]
Camilla Ludington
That's what I'm feeling. And also, all the women that I look up to that I'm like, they're hot. They're in their 40s and 50s.
[37:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, who. Who's your, like, biggest.
[37:20]
Camilla Ludington
Well, I mean, like, Gwyneth looks is glowing.
[37:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, right. Glowing.
[37:25]
Camilla Ludington
JLo crazy. Never normal.
[37:28]
Amanda Hirsch
Zoe motherfucking Saldana. Like, well, that's not normal.
[37:33]
Camilla Ludington
That's a. That's a different situation.
[37:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[37:35]
Camilla Ludington
But I feel like Winona, writer. I just. Beetlejuice. I'm like, she looks all these. All the women.
[37:41]
Amanda Hirsch
All the women.
[37:42]
Camilla Ludington
All the women.
[37:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Getting better.
[37:43]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. I'm not looking at the younger girls wanting to be that anymore.
[37:47]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[37:48]
Camilla Ludington
I'm always looking.
[37:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes, you're so right. Sometimes I'm like, younger girls, what are you doing? Step it up. And look like Gwyneth. Like. Yeah. We don't relate, but it's probably because we're older, you know?
[37:58]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[37:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so tell me about getting grays, though. Do. Were you watching the show? Because. What season did you come in?
[38:04]
Camilla Ludington
I came in at season nine.
[38:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[38:06]
Camilla Ludington
I mean, I had watched it, of course. I mean, it was this huge phenomenon.
[38:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[38:10]
Camilla Ludington
And then I was on True Blood, and I was going to Comic Con for Tomb Raider because I play Lara Croft in the video and three of the video games. So I was at ComicCon, and I. I tested for a pilot for Shonda, and it had been me and another girl that had gone to network, and the other girl had gotten it, and I went into True Blood, and that pilot didn't end up going, which was. I was so devastated. I didn't get. But it worked.
[38:35]
Amanda Hirsch
All work going. You were like.
[38:38]
Camilla Ludington
I was like, well, you didn't have me.
[38:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[38:41]
Camilla Ludington
No, the girl that got it, she was great. I thought the script was amazing. I don't know how these decisions get made, but they do. It didn't end up going, and I was really sad. And then I was on True Blood, and then I got a call. My agent got a call from Shonda saying that she's auditioning a new intern class and she'd love for you to come. And it's on Friday. And I was like, well, I can't. I'm at Comic Con. So I thought I missed the opportunity. Then I heard over the weekend they hadn't found one of the girls.
[39:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow.
[39:08]
Camilla Ludington
Could I come on the Monday? So I came audition for Shonda. By Friday I was on set.
[39:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Shush.
[39:15]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, real fast.
[39:16]
Amanda Hirsch
So when you in. When you intern, when you audition for the intern, do you know that it's. You know that it's not just like a one episode thing? You already know.
[39:23]
Camilla Ludington
It's kind of had a. I mean, sometimes it is, but for me specifically, I had a recurring contract with a pickup at the end that could make me a series regular. But it felt like. It kind of almost felt like one long season of auditioning because on our show, you know, people go in and out all the time. So I. That first season, I was nervous. I wanted to stay.
[39:45]
Amanda Hirsch
You wanted to stay?
[39:46]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, I wanted to do a good.
[39:47]
Amanda Hirsch
Job and stay because so basically you. You do this for a year and then you find out the end if they like what, you move to a different medical school or something or you.
[39:57]
Camilla Ludington
Blow up in some sort of explosion.
[40:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow.
[40:00]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[40:01]
Amanda Hirsch
That is so nerve wracking.
[40:03]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, yeah.
[40:04]
Amanda Hirsch
But you probably had a good feeling. No. Or did you really not know until.
[40:08]
Camilla Ludington
I didn't. I didn't. No. Because I feel like. No, I didn't know because I don't even think it's personal. A lot of times it's like, well, what makes the better story is you exploding the better story.
[40:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Right? It is, right?
[40:22]
Camilla Ludington
You're gonna explode.
[40:23]
Amanda Hirsch
What's fun for you, I feel like, as opposed to people that are signing up for the show now, for instance, is you really got to be with also the OGs.
[40:30]
Camilla Ludington
I did.
[40:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Like everyone was still there.
[40:32]
Camilla Ludington
Everyone. Everyone. Oh, no.
[40:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Eric Dane died already.
[40:37]
Camilla Ludington
Eric Dane died in the episode that I. One of the episodes, this episode after I started. And he wasn't in the episode I was in. So I didn't get get to ask.
[40:46]
Amanda Hirsch
It was like that.
[40:47]
Camilla Ludington
That was very close.
[40:48]
Amanda Hirsch
That was one of the hardest ones for me.
[40:50]
Camilla Ludington
Kyler did die before I came.
[40:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Him dying. What was his name? Forgot.
[40:55]
Camilla Ludington
McSteemy.
[40:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Him having. First of all, the problem with Gray's is that it can stay with you for a long time as an anxious person do so well, do I remember that moment of McStimi seemingly getting better? Yeah. And then. Then being like, that's what happens before you die. You know, horrifying. You feel you all of a sudden look like you're recovering.
[41:18]
Camilla Ludington
Yes, I know. It's a really weird phenomenon.
[41:21]
Amanda Hirsch
What, like 10 years ago, probably, or. And that state. Not that I'm like, thank God I haven't been there. But even in my anxious moments I'm like, I'm dying. And that's why I feel better, you know, it's just like. Like.
[41:34]
Camilla Ludington
Well, now that you've said that, I'm gonna. That's my. You've, like, given me material.
[41:39]
Amanda Hirsch
So the trauma. I mean, the trauma that. That show. This is me promoting Grey's Anatomy. The trauma that that show can have, like, yes. Playing crap like how as an anxious person.
[41:51]
Camilla Ludington
No. By the way, it is technically the worst acting job I could have, because health anxiety is my thing. And I now know a thing a thousand different ways. Thousands. I mean, any.
[42:04]
Amanda Hirsch
It's real. Like, obviously what you're filming isn't real, but obviously the conditions are real.
[42:08]
Camilla Ludington
Unreal. We're not going to do a case that's not. That's so outlandish. It can never happen.
[42:13]
Amanda Hirsch
So you know too much.
[42:16]
Camilla Ludington
I know way too much.
[42:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Help you at all in life, like, with your kids getting sick, like, anything.
[42:21]
Camilla Ludington
No, but what does help me.
[42:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[42:24]
Camilla Ludington
Is that I work with real doctors. So I'll, like, send them a picture of, like, a paper cut and be like, am I gonna die?
[42:31]
Amanda Hirsch
And they're like, wait, real doctors are on set all the time?
[42:34]
Camilla Ludington
All the time.
[42:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow.
[42:36]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[42:36]
Amanda Hirsch
That's a cool job for them.
[42:38]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, they're. It's really fun and we love them. I mean, we work so closely with them. They're like.
[42:44]
Amanda Hirsch
And yeah, of course.
[42:45]
Camilla Ludington
Otherwise we would never look remotely professional.
[42:49]
Amanda Hirsch
So. But you're saying all these years, and I'm sure you have so much knowledge that does help with stuff. You're like, no, I know that. That's like, that fever is not.
[42:58]
Camilla Ludington
I know some stuff. Like when I've had, like, a stomachache, I'm like, is it. How many fingers? Is it from the belly? But it's not appendicitis. Like, I know little.
[43:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Where organs are and stuff.
[43:09]
Camilla Ludington
Yes, yes. Or like, just little things like that. Or like, you know, bringing down a fever, like, if it gets to this point. This point, you know? I know. I mean, very minor.
[43:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Very minor.
[43:20]
Camilla Ludington
But I also do. I mean, I text so many pictures and also.
[43:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Really?
[43:24]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, yeah.
[43:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so I'm like, what do you.
[43:27]
Camilla Ludington
Think of this mole? You don't like, you're like, God, calm down.
[43:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, first of all, is those doctors. Is that their only job? Like, they're not. Wow.
[43:37]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. Because they have to be with us all the time.
[43:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow, that's crazy.
[43:40]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[43:41]
Amanda Hirsch
So you. Shoot. How many? You said nine months a year.
[43:44]
Camilla Ludington
Nine months a year.
[43:45]
Amanda Hirsch
How many days a week? All them.
[43:47]
Camilla Ludington
Not all of them. I Mean, that's the most amazing thing about having an ensemble show is that, like, there's so many of us. We're not going to shoot every day, right? Yes.
[43:55]
Amanda Hirsch
And you've been 12, 12 years.
[43:59]
Camilla Ludington
I'm in my 13th season.
[44:01]
Amanda Hirsch
That's crazy.
[44:03]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[44:03]
Amanda Hirsch
And what do, like, what do you say to fans that are like, how much longer do we got? Like, how, how, what do we, like? Because sometimes you guys make us feel like it's ending and then it does. You know what I mean? Like, you make us feel like, no, this is the last season. And they're like, yeah, yeah, we like.
[44:19]
Camilla Ludington
To do a little.
[44:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Are you guys. Do you guys get nervous as a cast? Like, what are your feelings?
[44:24]
Camilla Ludington
I think that we are super lucky and that I. I think what happened was. Here's what I think. I got on the show. The show was doing great. I mean, it was season nine.
[44:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[44:37]
Camilla Ludington
And then I want to say, around like 11, it hit streaming and the show just exploded. It was like, you know, I thought maybe when I joined the show, I was like, okay, it's a ninth season show. Like that. This is the shows and go on longer. I'll have a couple years on here. And then it hit streaming and now it's like kids in high school. I mean, like college. It's like generationally, people are obsessed now. And so I think as long as we have the streaming, which is just a. It's just the way it happens to some shows, like suits. Remember how it suddenly hit streaming and it was like, everyone's obsessed. As long as that continues, I think that we will continue to be making the show.
[45:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow, that's amazing to hear.
[45:22]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. The fandom, so loyal.
[45:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[45:25]
Camilla Ludington
That. I mean, Jessica and I out in New York City, I mean, we just meet so many people that. I mean, we're always meeting people that love the show. Yes. So it's like these are people still watching you. So this is why we're on the air still.
[45:41]
Amanda Hirsch
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[50:06]
Camilla Ludington
I remember that scene really clearly because they wouldn't let me read it smart before.
[50:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Smart, though, because then it was real.
[50:16]
Camilla Ludington
And they set up a camera that went 360 around me like this. And they're like, okay, and open the note. Well, I mean, to be honest, when I opened the note, I was so. It was devastating. And they had someone. It was written out for real, but then they had someone off camera reading it to me, too. And then I saw, like, the divorce papers that had been added in, and it was so shocking. So what you see in that episode is my real.
[50:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, you didn't even know the divorce papers were added?
[50:47]
Camilla Ludington
I did not know. So we usually at a table read, we get the script and everything's in there.
[50:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[50:53]
Camilla Ludington
So that chunk of the script in the table read was. Were blank pages. They omitted what was going to be in it.
[50:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Damn. Did they do that stuff a lot?
[51:01]
Camilla Ludington
No.
[51:02]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow.
[51:02]
Camilla Ludington
And I think they even did a big deal. Ellen and Chandra, too. You have to ask them if you have them on the show. But for me, I did not know. So when I saw the divorce papers, too, it was, like, very overwhelming. It was a tough episode.
[51:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, it was a tough episode, but. So how did you feel about that kind of coming to an end? Because everyone. What do they call it? Joe.
[51:23]
Camilla Ludington
Joe. Lex.
[51:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
[51:24]
Camilla Ludington
Honestly, I feel like one thing I really liked about the storyline was I felt like a lot of times on TV shows, you see a couple Break up. And then they're able to have that moment of, like, you. Like, you did all this, like a screaming match or, like, you know, a goodbye.
[51:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[51:44]
Camilla Ludington
But in real life, people don't always get that opportunity.
[51:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, fans were mad.
[51:50]
Camilla Ludington
Fans are very mad. But in relationships, you can have a breakup and not get what you need from the other person.
[51:55]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
[51:56]
Camilla Ludington
And. Or not even have that moment to be like, you know what? Fuck you, you cheated. Whatever. So I liked that we got to tell this story of. Of a girl that had been through a big breakup, a divorce, and she was gonna one hunt. She didn't get that moment, and she was gonna have to find it within herself to move on.
[52:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[52:13]
Camilla Ludington
And so I liked that. And then I feel like she's sort of coming into her own.
[52:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[52:18]
Camilla Ludington
You know, she had some single days and Skylar Astin. Fun dating days. And.
[52:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, it's. It's interesting because a lot of times, actors, like on shows that are long running like this, decide to leave. Like Justin did.
[52:31]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[52:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Because they're like, I want to do something else.
[52:34]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[52:35]
Amanda Hirsch
And I. I can understand someone do. I'm assuming. That's super scary.
[52:40]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. I think. And I. Yes. I mean, I think at some point, people do feel like it's time for me to get out there. Like Jesse, you know, it was time for him. Felt like it was time for him, and he went and did the play here in New York, then only murders. And I think that there's probably a lot of times organically a feeling that, like, okay, I told all the story that I, I. That I think that I want to. With this character. For me, I feel like there's so much more to tell, so as long as I'll have me, I'll stay.
[53:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Good. And your. Your other co worker just left too, and he wrote him such a sweet note on Instagram. Jake Borelli.
[53:17]
Camilla Ludington
I know that one.
[53:18]
Amanda Hirsch
That was hard for you.
[53:18]
Camilla Ludington
That's hard. But in the most recent episode, she made him her. He made him her godfather to her babies.
[53:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[53:27]
Camilla Ludington
So hopefully he'll come back.
[53:28]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, okay.
[53:29]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[53:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Now, you can probably tell things by the. By the way, the script and the stuff.
[53:34]
Camilla Ludington
You're like, I feel like the door is open.
[53:37]
Amanda Hirsch
The door is open.
[53:37]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, the door is open.
[53:39]
Amanda Hirsch
So in all these years, what was one of the hardest scenes to shoot for you? Was it that letter?
[53:45]
Camilla Ludington
No, it's actually the scenes with my mom. There was an episode called Silent all these Years. I don't know if you remember this episode. It was about sexual assault.
[53:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[53:55]
Camilla Ludington
And that Whole episode was difficult to film.
[53:58]
Amanda Hirsch
People really appreciated that too. Like, just.
[54:01]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[54:01]
Amanda Hirsch
Kind of talking about it and what had a really.
[54:04]
Camilla Ludington
It had a very real world impact in that the. We had the number. The helpline or the, the line for. To call for rain at the end of the episode. And the numbers jumped like, by. They just got a flood of calls after the episode. So I think that, that, that felt really amazing.
[54:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. That it made an impact like that.
[54:25]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[54:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Quick jump to now. We spoke. You and. And Jessica Capsha have this podcast together. Call it what it is.
[54:30]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[54:30]
Amanda Hirsch
It's not a Gray's Anatomy rewatch podcast.
[54:32]
Camilla Ludington
It's not.
[54:33]
Amanda Hirsch
That would be crazy. I mean, the fans would love it, but that would be a lot of episodes to rewatch.
[54:37]
Camilla Ludington
You know what we're discussing right now about sprinkling it in a little bit.
[54:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[54:43]
Camilla Ludington
Because I think the fans would really love it.
[54:45]
Amanda Hirsch
They would. I know.
[54:46]
Camilla Ludington
So we might. We might start a sprinkle.
[54:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[54:49]
Camilla Ludington
I mean, you're hearing it here first. You haven't even talked about it yet.
[54:51]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, my God.
[54:52]
Camilla Ludington
Exclusive.
[54:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Exclusive. So what do you guys talk about now? Like, what's your vibe on the show?
[54:58]
Camilla Ludington
So right now we try to talk about everything. It's really interesting because I feel like when you are an actress and you go out and you do interviews on, you know, Good Morning America, wherever, there's a lot of media training that sort of goes into, like, you come in, you say your bit, you're talking about your character, you promote the show, and then things about yourself you're sort of like a little bit more protective over and tight lipped about. And you know, this when, when we started the podcast, we're like, we got to shake off, like, our media training and be really real and really vulnerable and talk about a bunch of shit. So we talk about all kinds of stuff.
[55:33]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[55:34]
Camilla Ludington
And then we have guests on. And so we had like the Dildo Duchess on that talked us through sex toys and it was really fun. And then we have other actors on, and then the. We call it. The Call it crew. They write in with their problems or stories and then we discuss them. We have people zoom in with us and talk to them.
[55:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, wow.
[55:53]
Camilla Ludington
So it feels very interactive, like, and we're trying to make it feel like it's a community as opposed to just me and Jessica talking all the time.
[56:01]
Amanda Hirsch
How did you. Who thought to start a pod? Was it you?
[56:04]
Camilla Ludington
Her?
[56:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Really?
[56:05]
Camilla Ludington
She approached me last Christmas. She called me and she said, I, I'm. I. I think that I want to do A podcast. But I want to do it with someone. Will you do it with me? And I was like, yeah, done. Sold.
[56:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow. And. But she's never. Does she come to LA a lot in person?
[56:19]
Camilla Ludington
She does because as her family is also. She has family out there in Los Angeles so she can come back and forth. But we do it in our homes a lot.
[56:28]
Amanda Hirsch
That's so, it's so great because you're also a social media sensation. You're a t. I'm unhinged. You love Tick Tock. Like you're into like. Do you know all this stuff? Like are you. Who's helping you?
[56:45]
Camilla Ludington
That's not.
[56:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, your husband is down with some of the stuff.
[56:49]
Camilla Ludington
I mean sometimes.
[56:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[56:51]
Camilla Ludington
He's like, oh God, what are you doing? And I'm like, I'm gonna do it. You gotta do it. I, I would love after graze. I would love to do comedy. And I just thought like it's very hard as an actor to transition between drama and comedy because they see you as a dramatic actress. Right. And the same the other way between. For when you start with comedy, it's hard to transition to drama. I don't know why casting people can do all of it, but so I thought I'm just gonna use it as like my own little SNL account basically.
[57:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow.
[57:23]
Camilla Ludington
Around.
[57:24]
Amanda Hirsch
This was like a more than just. Just fun. It was.
[57:28]
Camilla Ludington
No, this is like strategic for me.
[57:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Strategic, yeah. Love that.
[57:32]
Camilla Ludington
And I, I think it's important to say that because I don't. I think that girls are supposed to be like. No, it's just, you know. No, it's totally, you know, like I just had like.
[57:42]
Amanda Hirsch
No, you put in effort. Like sometimes you have to wear.
[57:45]
Camilla Ludington
And yes, I, because I, I want to promote that side of me that you don't see on the show.
[57:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, I think Joe though does have like that they've started to be like, yes. Like it's not like you were this like serious person with. No, none of those vibes.
[58:02]
Camilla Ludington
She was pretty serious. And then Krista Vernoff came in and show ran for a few seasons and she wrote comedy right away for Joe. So there was like a transition. You can kind of see different showrunners. The tone of your character can change.
[58:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[58:17]
Camilla Ludington
And so it changed and then they gave me more.
[58:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Were you happy about that?
[58:21]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah, I love it.
[58:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[58:22]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. It's nice to play both.
[58:23]
Amanda Hirsch
So everyone check out literally Camilla Ludington's reels. Are you a real. For real though? Where are you on? Are you on Tick Tock or are you on Instagram reels?
[58:33]
Camilla Ludington
Both.
[58:33]
Amanda Hirsch
Both.
[58:34]
Camilla Ludington
I'm doing it all.
[58:35]
Amanda Hirsch
But do you. Who gets the ideas? You?
[58:38]
Camilla Ludington
I do the ideas. Oh, yeah.
[58:40]
Amanda Hirsch
So it is all you. You don't have any Young Gen Z?
[58:43]
Camilla Ludington
No, but I have someone help me put it together. You.
[58:46]
Amanda Hirsch
The editing part.
[58:47]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah. I don't want to edit it.
[58:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, the editing is hard.
[58:50]
Camilla Ludington
And so I like. I'll get. I'll give feedback, like, take a two seconds off because it makes it not funny if you, you know, so. But I come up with.
[58:57]
Amanda Hirsch
And you're so good at the lip syncing. It's not easy.
[59:00]
Camilla Ludington
It's not.
[59:01]
Amanda Hirsch
I know, but you're on it. And you make your cast do with you too.
[59:04]
Camilla Ludington
H. They love it. Come on, guys. You.
[59:09]
Amanda Hirsch
You did a Vanderpump Rules one recently? Yeah. Do they all watch? They did. Had.
[59:13]
Camilla Ludington
They had no idea.
[59:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Feeling.
[59:15]
Camilla Ludington
No idea.
[59:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, my God. They went along with it. They had no idea.
[59:18]
Camilla Ludington
They did. I was like, I love you guys. Please do this. And they came in, they were game, and they're like, what is this? I was showing them the beginning. They're like, people watch this and they're like, oh, yes.
[59:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so rules. Is it one of your top. Yes, top, top, top. I mean, who could recreate those early seasons of everyone having sex with each other? And so what do you feel like they should do now? Because obviously there's something going on. We don't know. Bravo hasn't even decided it's gonna film again.
[59:46]
Camilla Ludington
Are they not filming now?
[59:48]
Amanda Hirsch
No, babe.
[59:48]
Camilla Ludington
Oh, okay. I. Okay. So I love. I love Sheena. I've met Sheena.
[59:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[59:53]
Camilla Ludington
Yes. She's a big Grey's Anatomy fan. I met her at the People's Choice where she was very sweet. However, don't hate me, Sheena. I don't want Sheena and Lala on the Valley.
[60:04]
Amanda Hirsch
You want them to stay in Van.
[60:05]
Camilla Ludington
I want them to stay on Vanderpump Rose because I think this cast is really good on the Valley. I want them to stay on Venom Pump, but I. I think that it's gonna be controversial. I'm gonna get a lot of for this. Okay. I think Ariana has to leave.
[60:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Huh? Wow.
[60:19]
Camilla Ludington
I know.
[60:20]
Amanda Hirsch
And everything else. And you know what? I'm gonna agree.
[60:24]
Camilla Ludington
Are you?
[60:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. And we're gonna die.
[60:26]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[60:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Are you ready to die with me?
[60:28]
Camilla Ludington
Well, we said it.
[60:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. I. Not in a bad way. Okay, Go.
[60:32]
Camilla Ludington
Here's why I love her. I think she's amazing. I think it's very clear her career is headed elsewhere.
[60:38]
Amanda Hirsch
And also that she doesn't want to.
[60:40]
Camilla Ludington
Be there and she doesn't want to be.
[60:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Her career is headed, but she's like, but I don't love everybody. It's like her career is headed and.
[60:45]
Camilla Ludington
She doesn't want it.
[60:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Hates everybody.
[60:47]
Camilla Ludington
If she wanted to. If it was clear that she wanted to be there, I would never say yeah. To me, it's clear that she's like, peace.
[60:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. This, this.
[60:55]
Camilla Ludington
And so I think that she should leave, and I think she should do all the opportunities that she has coming to her, continue hosting Love Island. It was, like, the biggest season.
[61:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Biggest season.
[61:06]
Camilla Ludington
And I think that she probably will enjoy it more. Maybe. But does she want to stay?
[61:11]
Amanda Hirsch
I don't know. I don't know. I feel like it's probably scary to let go of that thing.
[61:15]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[61:16]
Amanda Hirsch
It's a constant. But I think she. I would assume that she doesn't want to stay, and I agree with you.
[61:21]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[61:21]
Amanda Hirsch
And I've also heard from. It's interesting you said that because you really do have an eye for this.
[61:26]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[61:27]
Amanda Hirsch
When I talk to people that are, like, close to this Valley production, and I asked about Sheena and Lala joining, they said, listen, the cast of the Valley, surprisingly, is so strong on its own.
[61:37]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[61:38]
Amanda Hirsch
They did that season on their own.
[61:40]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[61:40]
Amanda Hirsch
You know, with. No, none of the. I mean, Jackson Brittany were, like, the names.
[61:44]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[61:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Did you hear the reason about Jackson Brittany?
[61:46]
Camilla Ludington
Okay, so Britney's dating somebody new.
[61:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, no Meltdown or something? No, it was funny. Was. She was, like, talking about him, and then he went on a podcast, I think, and said, like. And then she calls me to, like, hook up and come over and drink wine, and then she says this to you guys, like, you're falling for it.
[62:04]
Camilla Ludington
Like, so they're hookup buddies?
[62:06]
Amanda Hirsch
I really hope not.
[62:07]
Camilla Ludington
No.
[62:08]
Amanda Hirsch
So gross.
[62:09]
Camilla Ludington
Can I tell you something?
[62:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Though?
[62:10]
Camilla Ludington
And I. It's not good. It's not good.
[62:12]
Amanda Hirsch
But you love Jax.
[62:14]
Camilla Ludington
I love Jacks. No, I, I. He's my favorite villain.
[62:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
[62:21]
Camilla Ludington
Like, he's a good person.
[62:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[62:24]
Camilla Ludington
I just. I realized watching the Valley that he's so terrible that I missed having, like, that villain.
[62:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. You know what? I can appreciate that, actually, because whenever I used to watch the show and people hated certain characters, like, hated. I'm like, this is it. This is your entertainment. People, like, this is a character.
[62:43]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[62:44]
Amanda Hirsch
Enjoy this for entertainment. So I see that. And it's funny you said villain, because just the other day I posted him and his terrible haircut and his, like, gelled whatever and his eyebrows. That go up and somebody said to me. It was so right. Because I was like, what is? And they were like, he just looks like from the cartoon, like a villain. Just like the way a villain looks like with that.
[63:02]
Camilla Ludington
And I think he likes it.
[63:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[63:04]
Camilla Ludington
He leans so into. He knows he's a villain. He leans into it. But there's something enjoyable about watching someone so diabolical.
[63:11]
Amanda Hirsch
That's what we love about Vanderbump World. So we want it back. Back no matter what.
[63:15]
Camilla Ludington
I definitely want it back.
[63:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[63:17]
Camilla Ludington
And if Ariana wants to stay, then I want her to stay.
[63:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
[63:20]
Camilla Ludington
But I. I feel like the Love Island's calling her name.
[63:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Just go to Love Island.
[63:24]
Camilla Ludington
Yeah.
[63:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Why not pull her in for a chat.
[63:27]
Camilla Ludington
Yes.
[63:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Camilla, thank you for coming on.
[63:29]
Camilla Ludington
Thank you so much.
[63:30]
Amanda Hirsch
You're so cute. You're so adorable. Grey's Anatomy is on, everybody. Go watch it. Everybody. Listen to your podcast. Call it like it is.
[63:36]
Camilla Ludington
Call it what it is.
[63:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Sorry.
[63:38]
Camilla Ludington
Don't worry about it.
[63:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Should I say it again?
[63:40]
Camilla Ludington
No, I think it's funny. Keep it.
[63:43]
Amanda Hirsch
I always shit up. Call it what it is. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday.
[64:18]
Camilla Ludington
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