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The following podcast is a Dear Media production.
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Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, guys. Happy Tuesday. Tuesday. Welcome to a new episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. This is your girl. It's Samander. I really miss you. You haven't felt in my absence, which, like, you're welcome. Like, people take off. I never take off. Like, I never take off. I do. How many weeks are there in a year? 52. I do all those. All just for me because the industry freaking shuts down from, like, December 19th till January 5th. Okay. I just, like, all those episodes were recorded and handed in so everybody can go on vacation for a very long time. I know it's, like, annoying to say that I'm happy to be back, like, to work and to real life, because I. I understand that I love my job and that's not the case for everybody. And I've been there before, not loving my job. And of course, oh, my God, I've never loved any job. Like, I was the girl. Like, if my boss stepped out, I was leaving. I also had no fear. I'm like, fire me. Fire me. Like, I'll survive. I'll get a different job. I was just not. And I think because I never liked anything, so I was just like, never gave it my all until this. So I get it if you hate me for saying I was happy to get back to work. It's just like, I'm like, give me an email. Like, give me some news. Give me, like, a podcast booking. Give me, Give me something, something. And it was just so dull. But at the same time, I'm like, okay. There is something nice about, like, being forced to, like, not be in the loop, because otherwise you're just in it all the time. Another day, another day, another day, you know? And so forced to, like, nothing's happening, girly. Stop checking your email. Like, everybody's insane parts but you. Actually, I had no desire to be in Saint Barts, and then Bethany Frankel made that real. That was like, it actually sucked to be on Influencer Island. And I'm just thinking about Andy Cohen calling her the Margarita lady. He was like, enough with the tiktoks. But I did see that Tik Tok because she knows how to reel the people in. It's like, why St. Bart's is overrated. And, like, we're all dying to know, because we all saw Nina and fudgeing Alex, Earl and everybody on the same boat with Glenn Powell. And I have to tell you, like, there are things that I look at, and I'm like, fomo. Like, I did not have specific FOMO over that boat. Like, I did not want to be on that boat. You know? Like, I did not want to be waking. Like, I'm. I'm also not. Like, yes, it'd be nice to be on a yacht for a few hours and have some champagne, but, like, I'm not, like, asleep on the boat girl. Which I don't know if they slept on the boat, but also, there were, like, a lot of people which would, like, overwhelm me. I love how I think about it so deeply. I'm like, yeah, no, too many people. Anyway, so I'm happy to be back. I've missed you. I'm. I'm excited for 2026. Like, I'm excited to see what's up, to see what's new, to see what we can do. Who am I? Like, actually, who am I? What else has been going on? There's the mom group drama, which, like, there are moments where I'm like, of course this is tea. You know, of course that it's tea. And there are moments where I'm like, okay, like, let's calm down. Of course. Like, I love Mandy Moore so much. She's a friend of the pod, and I'm a huge Hillary Duff fan. And Ashley Tisdale was also on the pod. I always have pod loyalties. So at the beginning, which is so funny. Like, I know a pop culture expert, but I'm also, like, naive. So when people say something, if people are like, this is the truth, and I'm like, okay, I believe you. So after Ashley Tisdale's article came out about the toxic mom group, first of all, in the article, she said for people that read the whole thing, she said, and by the way, whatever your theory is, it's not those people. Like, don't go there. It's not true. So I was like, oh, I already seen, like, the photo of all those moms and people assuming it's the Hillary Duff crew. And then I was like, oh, she's saying it's not them. So it's not them. Okay. This is what. How I am. I was like, she's saying it's not them. It's not them. It also doesn't align for me. Like, Mandy is the nicest person on Earth. Like, I was like, no, it can't be. But then obviously I saw like, they don't. She didn't follow Mandy and Hillary anymore. And I was like, okay, could it be true? Then she put out another statement by her rep sea saying it's not those girls, like the sleuths got it wrong. And Ashley's not maga, she's a registered Democrat, which, like, I don't know if that was doing too much. And her husband was posting like, where were you on January 6th? And I'm like, oh my God, they're doing too much. Trying to prove all of those things. Like in those situations, you really got to be Kim K. And just like, sit down. I think, I think I'm always like, what would Kim K. Do? Anyway, then Matthew Coma, who I'm obsessed with Hillary Duff's husband and I've been following him forever. He's the funniest, most like, underrated person on the planet. Like, he's just such a fun follow. I almost want to gatekeep him. But he posts real gems and not only his, like anniversary posts for her. Like everything he posts, he has like a relationship with Tiger King Joe. Like, he's hilarious. So he posted this like Photoshop photo of like his the Cut article being like, when you're the most tone deaf person on earth, like, nobody wants to be friends with you. So that was like confirming. I'm like, okay, Matthew just fucking confirmed it that it is about them. But like, he's basically saying Ashley sucks. That's why none of us are friends with her anymore. Then I was like, okay, now I can dive in. You know, he's made it okay and he's made it official kind of. However, since then, it's like you're either on the side of the Internet of like, they are mean girls or you're on the side of the Internet that's like Ashley's MAGA and she like bought houses when there were fires. And of course they don't want to be friends with her. I'm going to give you a middle road. I'm going to give you the gray area, which I love. Okay. I think, and I said this on Instagram, that Ashley Tisdale wrote this. First of all, she started by writing this as a substack and I think she got some nice engagement on that sub stack. I think she got some people in her DMs or whatever being like, I feel you. I like got shunned out by moms and it's such a hard world. And your postpartum cardam and whatever. And it's difficult. And she was like, oh, my God, I'm feeling the love. I'm feeling the community. I'm feeling the sympathy. And I. I feel good about that. And then she got this offer to do a larger piece for the cut, and she was like, okay, more love, more sympathy. More people understanding me. More moms, which are, like, the most engaged audience on the planet, reaching out to me and whatever. She felt that, and then it blew up in her face. So on that note, I don't think she meant for it to blow up in her face. I thought she was looking for the sympathy, the love, the, like, it's okay, babe. Like, they suck. You're amazing. I don't think she meant to, like, expose people or have people, however, then you have the other side of, like, okay, but she unfollowed those two. So, like, you gotta put two and two together, honey. Right, Right. I think. Okay, this is. I'm getting. I'm getting to the point. Okay? Nothing about her article pointed to the fact that they were toxic. And we already know that. Toxic and like, narcissist. Those are overused buzzwords that are misused. Also, like, nothing in her article made it seem like any of these women she was talking about were toxic. Like, that's a very specific word that you can fudge beauty. Okay? But saying that I was hanging out with these girls and slowly it seemed like they didn't want to hang out with me anymore, and that was hurtful to me, is okay to say, but that doesn't make these girls toxic or mean. It makes it that they maybe didn't want to hang out with you and maybe you're not the same vibe or maybe you didn't click and they did, and that sucks to feel that way. And you can make a whole thing about, like, when you, you know, don't fit in or whatever. The. But nothing about the article was pointed to toxic. There was no real story there of, like, what they did to her, aside from kind of not mesh, you know, like, obviously they stayed friends. They're all still friends. And if you're not in the mix, it's like, yeah, they just were not that into you. It's like that movie. Okay. Because friendships are a lot like relationships. It could go. It's as easy as that. They were just not that into you. So that's what I think about that whole situation. And I am telling you, Mandy is the nicest person on the planet. And I have met Hillary, but Obviously, I'm a huge fan. And even just putting those things aside, I can just say, like, I've read the article on like a lot of people just reading the headline and seeing the picture of the moms and like assuming whatever. There is not really a story there that's pointing to toxicity. It's more like I wasn't invited anymore and my feelings were hurt. So that sucks. That sucks. It's a sucky feeling. I agree. It's a sucky feeling. It's kind of like when I write in the mom chat for my son's school and nobody answers. I'm like, are they okay? Like, I've just wrote a text. I'm like, is anybody doing this after school? It's like ignoring me. Like, I get it, Ashley. I get it. Anyway, today's guest, such a exciting guest for me. Like this person has been on my vision board. I'm doing that thing where like, you don't know who the guest is, but you know because you're in the title already. Like Chelsea Handler, man, Chelsea lately meant everything to me. It's still if I have like general meetings or, you know, if I think about like my North Star, it's like, that's what I would want. I would want Chelsea Lately show. It was everything to me. I watched it every single time it was on. It was a pinnacle of like bad on late night television. And I can't believe that show is like off the air. And it wasn't. Didn't keep going with her or then with somebody else. But anyway. And I also read her like first book ever, My Horizontal Life. I am just such a fan of her work and of her career. And she's such a badass. She's like 50, thriving, like living the life. You'll hear in this episode how confident she is in who she is in this, in the decision she makes. And it's admirable and it's inspiring and it's aspirational. So yeah, enjoy my conversation with Chelsea Handler. And don't you forget to rate and review this podcast because let me tell you, let me tell you what happens. You are listening to the pod you love. You like, hahaha. Tune in next week. I love Amanda, but you don't take to the, to the fucking rate and review. You know who does? Somebody that's calling me an industry plan. Okay? That's who's doing it. So you need to like, it's like it's so much easier for people to write negative things and positive things. So take your positivity Take it to the rating and the reviewing. Okay. I appreciate it. Subscribe, follow. I never say to do these things. I'm going to say it now. I have to remind you because you don't do it on your own anyway. Chelsea Handler. Enjoy. I feel so not blonde next to you, you know?
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Well, I'm really blonde.
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You're really blonde right now.
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I just had to come. I had to come into town and get my whole thing done. You know what I mean? So I'm fresh.
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What's your thing? Is it like hair and nails? Eyebrows?
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Hair and nails. I had to get a spray tan, which I abhor. I hate spray tans. I hate the smell. I hate fake tans. But, you know, when I had to host the Critics Choice Awards, I have to look like, you know, I have to have a glow.
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You looked so good. Thank you. And you didn't change, right? You had one dress.
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No, I changed. I changed into a tux at the end of the day.
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Oh, right. I love the tux than you.
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Thank you.
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The power suit, it looked good on you.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I love it.
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But I did love the dress, too.
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Thank you. I loved the dress, too. And then I wore a different dress for the red carpet, so I had three looks total. But I try not to change too much during those shows. It's really not about me.
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Well, like, I'm surprised because you're blonde and, like, have a fair complexion. But the beige looks good on you, which my mom always tells me beige doesn't look good on me. So I'm trying to understand how the.
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Beige really don't look good that you wouldn't think look good on people. With my skin color somehow. Look, I can wear orange and yellow, and that surprises me. I never knew I could wear.
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Have you done your colors?
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Yeah, no, I did, but I don't that like Barbizon, when I was like, you know, 15 years old, I think I could do. I think I found out I was a spring or a summer.
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They did that. Yeah.
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They find out what you're like. Colorway.
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I thought that was a new thing.
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No, that's an old thing.
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Really. Huh.
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But I don't know. I think that's all bullshit anyway. I mean, you know, you just look good in certain colors, and there's certain colors that no one looks good in.
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Like chartreuse, which I don't even know what that is.
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Yeah, it's hard to spot, actually. It's kind of like a yellowish green.
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A yellowish green. I had a feeling it was Green. Anyway, Chelsea Handler is here, you guys, which I know I look chill right now, but is so exciting for me.
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This is exciting.
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Your book was. My Horizontal Life was, like, one of my favorite books.
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Like, thank you.
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Remember reading it on the subway and cracking up, like, going to high school and just everything. Your whole career, everything you've done, Chelsea lately. Obsessed. Like, just a huge moment.
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I love that.
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Take it in, you guys.
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Yeah, let's take it in.
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Take it in. And you killed it at the Critics Choice Awards, fourth year in a row.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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How was that?
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Fun. Really fun.
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You just, like, have fun.
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I love having fun. I like to make sure my job is fun and that I provide fun for other people and that when you're around me, you're gonna have fun.
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Yeah. Everyone, I remember the year you did it. The first year. Maybe there were some flops before that, and then you did and it was like, thank God, right?
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Yeah.
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That was the Vibe.
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Or that was the Golden Globes.
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Oh, that was the Globe, Yeah.
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Because they had Jo Koy and then they had Jarrod Carmichael one year, and that wasn't going well.
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Okay.
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And then Nikki came in and she saved the Globes. But I've been doing the Critics for four years, and I think Taye Diggs did it for. Before me for four years or something like that. So. Yeah, I mean, it's just nicer to have women hosting these types of things. Women are just more.
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It's just.
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We're better at this kind of thing, like in.
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In what way?
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In hosting.
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I agree.
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Actually being a host and bringing everyone in and together and setting the tone and the vibe. That's a female thing. You know what I mean? And we're good at that. So women should be hosting award shows. I totally think that. All women. It would be really nice if one of these years it's only women.
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Only one for all the awards. So if you do critics, can you not do the other ones?
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No, you can only really do one.
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Oh, you can only do one?
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Yeah.
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Would you do. You haven't done Oscars.
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No, I have not.
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Would you do.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I don't see why I wouldn't.
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Someone came on once to my show and said that these things aren't paid.
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No, they are. Oh, yeah.
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Why did he say that? He was, like, an actor who, like.
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Maybe he didn't know. Maybe he thought you were asking if he got paid to attend the show.
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No, he. Because we were talking about one of the bombs. I can't remember. One of the bad Hoes. And he was like, well, you know how they. They would get someone good if they paid them?
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I get paid.
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Great. Do you get nervous at all doing that?
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I get excited, yeah. Yeah. Nerves are good. So I'm not afraid of nerves. Like, I know if you're nervous, you care. So I want to care, but I'm pretty confident in my capability and my competency.
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You know what I mean?
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I know I'm not going to go out there and blow it. You know, I'm a comedian. I've been doing this for a long time, and I know everyone in the room, and I know how to handle that kind of situation. And, you know, that's. I like that.
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Yeah. Is it. But it's. Is it more stressful than going into doing, like, stand up? Because this is like Leonardo DiCaprio. And, like. Yeah.
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There's a little element of like, oh, my God, I'm just about to go in on all these people. Sure. But you get over that pretty quickly.
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You do.
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And I know everybody. You know what I mean? It's not like they're. They don't know who I am. Right. That makes it easier.
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Right.
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If I were to walk into a room of, like, CEOs and start ripping them apart, that might be different. Actually. I'd probably enjoy that more. You know, quite frankly, I already have material prepared for that for the people I've never met. But, no, it's really fun. And I. Nerves used to freak me out when I was, like, in my 20s and 30s. But one of the greatest things about getting older and getting more mature is, like, you have so much experience to draw from, so you know what's gonna happen. You know, like, the flurry of emotions that you feel leading up to something and how it's gonna shake out. And you also just start to have confidence in your own ability to nail it.
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Yeah. Like, you. You know that you're gonna.
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Yeah. Like, I'm reliable, right. I know I'm reliable. So I'm not that worried about any of the responsibilities because I'm going to deliver.
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Do you care about, like, are you, like, clocking the laughs?
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Yeah.
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While you're doing it, are you, like, wait, this work? This didn't work. Maybe I'll, like.
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I mean, if something isn't as big of a landing as you want it to be, you just keep your, like, you. You just keep going. Like, it's not, like.
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Yeah.
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You don't freak out. Like, that's very green. That's what. Something I would do when I was starting Out. I would freak out and then rush through the rest of the set.
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Yeah, but you.
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Part of being on stage and commanding an audience is being in control of that situation. And if a joke doesn't hit as hard as you want, you still stand up tall, Right. You know, carry on. Like, you're not, like, starting to go.
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Like, you're not trying to, like, blackout.
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You have to commit to everything you're doing.
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What was. What was crazy that night that you did the, The. The Leo and Jeff Bezos thing, which he was cracking up, which was good. Like, he didn't do. He. He responded well, right?
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Yeah, totally. Leo's cool.
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What was another one?
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Well, I was hitting on Benicio Del Love. Hitting on Tiana Taylor. She hurt my pussy. Popped for her.
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Right. That was good.
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What else do we talk?
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What was Benicio's response? He was. He.
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He's. He's definitely probably interested in penetration.
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What you think?
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Why wouldn't he be like me?
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First of all, I agree. Is he single?
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I think so, but I don't know, actually. I haven't. I haven't had direct contact with him for the joke.
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You didn't. We didn't do the. The research to find out. No.
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My job is just to make, you know, sure that I'm making sure that people in the audience that I'm attracted to know that I'm attracted to them.
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Because it was. Worked before.
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Last year was Ray Fines, this year it was Benicio. But the year before, it was like Robert De Niro and some other Harrison Ford. I was hitting on them.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But they're both taken. And they were.
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They're both taken by Benicio.
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Benicio's hot.
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He can get it.
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I'd hit that for sure.
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Did you watch all the movies? Yes, literally. Okay, so that's part of the homework.
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That's part of the homework. But I love movies. I mean, sitting. I give you a link with all the movies. So I went up to Whistler. I go to Whistler in the winter. I have a little ski chalet and I go up there and I literally just cozied up with my friends and. Yeah. And then just watch movies for like two weeks straight.
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That's fine.
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I watched them stoned, then I watched them sober. Then sometimes, you know. Yeah. Battle One battle after another. I watched like three times. That movie was just incredible.
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I know. I started last night and only could watch half.
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Yeah.
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Just because it was my bedtime.
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Yeah.
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And it's three hours.
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What is your bedtime?
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Like 11.
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Okay.
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What about You?
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Well, when I'm in New York, I'm here later. But if I'm in L. A, I go to bed around, like, 9, 30, 10.
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Oh, that's early.
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L. A is a snooze fest. There's nothing fun happening in L. A. I can vouch for it.
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And you party here?
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When I come here, and I party.
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Really? Like, where are you going? Like, zero.
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Going out? No, no, no, no. Well, actually, I did go to the Bungalow Suites last night, or the San Vicente, whatever the hell they're called. I'm against private clubs, I think.
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Oh, you're. You're against them?
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But my friends remember, so I went and met them. Yeah, Yeah. I don't subscribe to that kind of nonsense. Not paying you for me to come to your restaurant, buddy.
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Do you think it's true? Because you were saying at the Critics Choice that it sets the tone for the whole award season, like the show, how good it is, but also, like, who's gonna win? And you said, get ready to see the people that are gonna win tonight for the rest of the season.
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Yeah, well, I mean, that's not. No, it's not necessarily true because people win different awards. I honestly think Leo is gonna walk away with Best Actor this year at.
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The office she did in for. Yeah. You don't think Tammy's gonna get it?
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I don't know. Maybe. But I really would like to see go to Leo. Leo deserves it. His work, like his catalog of work and his bibliography is just too good.
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Yeah.
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He is the consummate actor. He's the actor of our generation. I fucking love him. I love watching him. Would I hit that? Yeah, he's cute, but I'm not, you know, I'm too old for Leo. I'm his age.
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I mean, you're old. Oh, you didn't make that joke, right? No, I mean, it's an easy.
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Yeah, those jokes have been made. I had to go in a different direction.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're right. He's like a movie star. You know, I was talking to somebody from the industry, I can't remember who, about movie stars. And this person thought that we don't have them anymore. That that was like the Leo, the Brad, the Clooney that they walk into a room and you're like, do you think that's true, that we don't have, like, real movie stars anymore?
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I mean, it depends. I think we do. I do think we have movie stars. It's people who are not on social media, you know, airing their Laundry. Like.
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Like Jacob Elordi, maybe.
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Yeah, he's a movie star for sure. He's awesome, he's hot, he's talented. Leo's a movie star. There are people that are movie stars.
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To be a movie star, you can't be on social media.
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I think that's a part of it where you're not exposing yourself, like, personally so much. Julia Roberts is a movie star.
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She's a movie star.
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I mean, there are movie stars. I don't think we're out of movie stars. There's just no mystique left because we know everything that we have there is to know about everybody. So it's become kind of ick.
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Right.
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You know what I mean? You know everything. There's not like, it's not like the olden days. So it's not in the same sense, but nothing's like it used to be. Things like social media has changed all of that. And, you know, definitely for the words. Yeah.
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Like if Leonardo Cabrio was posting reels, we would get the ick. Yeah, for sure.
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A
For sure.
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B
Yeah. Even though she, his co star, made him do some, like, tick tocks for this movie. No, no, the younger one, the one that plays his daughter. Daughter, yeah. Yeah. So she made him do some tick tocks, which he wasn't like dancing or lip syncing, but.
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A
But he's cool. He's got a good sense of humor.
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B
But he sat through them.
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A
Yeah. And he's actually quite funny.
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B
Yeah. Okay. Leo.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Just getting more hot.
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A
Yeah, he's hot.
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B
And he was hot in the movie.
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A
He was hot in the movie.
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B
He was.
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A
Although, did you see him run? Not a hot run. Not a hot run. I don't know if that was. If that was his character running or if that was Leo running, but it was.
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B
Sean Penn had a weird walk, too.
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A
Sean had an erection the whole time, so that was his problem.
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B
What a humiliating role for Sean Penn. I was thinking the whole time, like.
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A
Sean Penn's great, though. And you know what also is great about Sean? Benny doesn't show up to these fudgeing award shows. And I like that about him.
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B
I know that he does. So I get your vibe. Shit, I get your vibe now, Chelsea. Yeah. You're like, you want the real cool. Like, not on social media. Don't care about these things. Not trying hard. Like that's your vibe? Yeah. Right now.
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A
Yeah. Don't try hard. Don't be thirsty.
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B
Don't be. Yeah. Thirsty is gross.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Is it grosser on a guy than is on a girl?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You think that's like, a double standard?
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A
Not. I don't really care. You know, there's so many double standards directed at us that if I'm discriminating against men, then I'm so down with it.
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B
No, I'm with you. I'm with you. What else happened then? Okay, so Timmy thanked Kylie. That was the. Did you feel it in the room?
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A
I just don't understand what's that situation? Is. Is that a real situation? Are they in love? Are they a couple?
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B
Obviously. Called her my partner. Partner of my foundation.
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A
I mean, I find her that to be amazing that those two are together in a partnership for three years.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Wow.
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B
So did you. Where were you backstage at that moment?
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A
I was backstage, yes.
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B
And did everyone stop in their tracks? No.
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A
I mean, you're in a room in a holding area. Everyone's kind of watching the screens and, you know, I mean. I mean, they've been. There's not much to say about it. It's just like.
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B
Well, the Internet did.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I was like, thank God, Timmy.
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A
What did people have to say about it? What did. What was their reaction?
- [23:37]
B
Everyone was fainting, dying because. Losing their mind.
- [23:40]
A
Because why? Because he said, I love you.
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B
First of all, it's a big deal to thank someone. Not even every, like, husband thanks their wife or vice versa.
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A
Well, that's another reason not to get married. So you don't have to keep that person.
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B
But here he is thanking his girlfriend.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And he's been doing this before her. So, like, I love the people that are haters that were, like. Because she. He said, I couldn't do this without you.
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A
Well, that's ridiculous. Obviously, he could do it without her. I mean, that's so stupid. I couldn't do this without you. You can.
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B
Right? So that's what people were saying. But I think it was just like, such a. Like, whoa. We weren't expecting that. Like, you're bringing her as your date. Okay. But you're not doing the red carpet together. Like, there's a lot of decisions there. But now you're thanking her for winning the award.
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A
They do do the carpet together, don't those two?
- [24:27]
B
I mean, sometimes they did the orange fit. They did that. Yeah, but that was a big moment. They had security. Do other celebs have security?
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A
Some celestial.
- [24:36]
B
Like, at tables, people come as security. Like, right behind them.
- [24:39]
A
No, I think she's probably worth so much money that she probably has to go around with security because she could get kidnapped. Like her sister Kim. Remember when she got robbed in Paris or whatever.
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B
I do.
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A
I guess that's what's going on. I don't fucking know what's going on with these people.
- [24:51]
B
Okay, Honestly, what didn't make the cut? That was, like, a good joke.
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A
I mean, we put. I don't remember what didn't make the cut, but if it didn't make the cut, like, we put the edgiest stuff in there, you know? I felt like, oh, do I want to call Kevin Costner a dick? And then I was like, yeah, I guess so. Who cares? I mean, he kind of is a dick, you know? And, I mean, I know him personally, and he's been nothing but sweet to me. So I felt a little bit like, oh, God, I'm calling him a dick. And I know he gets his feelings hurt, too, so.
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B
Right.
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A
He takes it for something, that's probably the end of that relationship, but. But then everyone's like, no, you gotta do it. You gotta do it. Cause he's such a dick. And then, no, nothing. I mean, I thought of some jokes the next day that I was like, oh, shit, we should have had a tag on that and that. But that's always the case because after.
- [25:36]
B
You, like, see them probably in front of you, like, things come to mind.
- [25:39]
A
Yeah, Like Teyana Taylor, when I told her my pussy absolutely pops for her. I should have said, hey, like I told Benicio, it's room 307 at the Andaz Hotel, right? Like, I should have tagged that, but I've missed that boat. But, you know, you win some, you lose some.
- [25:50]
B
Was it really your room number?
- [25:52]
A
No, I don't stay at the Andaz. Just in case anybody's asking.
- [25:56]
B
Well, anyway, you did such a good job. Thank you. And are you going to keep hosting it, you think?
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A
I mean, we'll see. It depends what kind of mood I'm in. You know what I mean? Every year I say yes when I feel like.
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B
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So back to you being such an idol of mine and my horizontal life and, I mean, you released your seventh book last year. Now it's considered last year.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Another New York Times bestseller.
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A
I know. Yes.
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B
That's crazy. That's amazing.
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A
I wish I would have known how successful I would be when I was a little girl. I could have just really chilled out and stopped worrying about so much.
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B
You were worried? You were worried?
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A
Yeah, I was worried. I was worried when I saw my family, I was like, what the fuck is this shit show? Like, I might. These are my people. I was like, I need to be. I'm wealthy. I need to be wealthy. I need to be independent, and I need to get the fuck out of New Jersey. And my family was just like, you're six, you know, like, where are you going? And I was like, I'm going somewhere. Watch me. And I'm headed somewhere else.
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B
Yes.
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A
Far away from this.
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B
Because your dad, I remember from the book, was, like, a used car dealer. I remember. Yeah. Yeah.
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A
He was a hot mess. And my mom was really sweet. My mom was really lovely. But my family was just, like. Not that. That was not how I wanted to live my life.
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B
You knew it legit right away.
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A
I was like, I'm gonna make some changes.
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B
But did you think, like, I'm gonna be, like, a CEO or did you know it'd be entertainment?
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A
I don't know what age I knew I could go into entertainment, but I was very taken by television and sitcoms and Cosby Show. I loved the Cosby Show. You know, obviously, that didn't turn out well for a lot of us, but I love family ties. I loved growing up with, like, comedy and watching tv, and I. I definitely related to that the most. I was the most excited about that, you know, as a kid. So I knew I was gonna do something, but I just had an imagination of what my life was gonna look like as a grown woman. And it wasn't gonna be anything like what my family was like.
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B
You knew, like, nice house, nice car. Yeah.
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A
I was like, these are not the right cars. These are not the right clothes, and this is not the right house. And I need a housekeeper. Where is she? You know, I was like, where? We need a cleaning lady? Like, we need someone who's gonna live in. I mean, I had all of the. I wanted a dowry. Like, I asked my dad when I was sick and stuff. I had a dowry. He's like, where did you learn that word?
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B
And where did you.
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A
Reading. I was. When you're little, when you're the youngest of six kids, you grow up in, like, five minutes. I mean, I had a vocabulary on me when I was like, three years old because I had so many older brothers and sisters, and they take me everywhere. So you just kind of grow up and you're mature and you get it, and you pick up things really quickly. Like, you know, you don't miss a trick because you got to get your attention and you have to get your food. And when you have six kids, you have to know where everybody is at all.
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B
I forgot you were one of six.
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A
Yeah, it's a lot of people.
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B
And you're the youngest.
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A
Yeah. So everyone was spoiled me on top of it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So, like, I had a big. I had big feelings about myself because they made me feel really special.
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B
How did your mom have six kids?
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A
I don't know. Sleep at the wheel. I mean, she just was like, I guess I'll have another baby. You know, I mean, who knows what she was thinking? I don't think she was thinking.
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B
She just was like, popping them out.
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A
Yeah. Her and my dad like to have sex and then get. Get pregnant and then.
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B
Well, that's a good thing. I got that. They like to term on all pregnancies, I guess. So you grew up really fast, realized maybe a little older than six that it is that you're funny, that. That you could do something like.
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A
Yeah, I was very precocious. So my brothers would. I had three older brothers. And then the girls are the youngest, so the boys are the oldest. And my brothers would just take me everywhere. And I was really like, you know, I got a lot of attention for being salty, and I would go off on people. Like, my brothers would be like, go tell that guy he's a fudgeing loser. And I'd go up and tell him he's a loser. You know, Like, I was just like, my brothers would, like, set me up to do crazy things. Or the night before Halloween, on Mischief Night, you know, they'd have me go play ding dong ditch and I'd ring the doorbell, and then they'd leave me there, you know, so I'd Be running towards the car. They'd pull away and the guy comes out and it's like, hey, little girl. Like they did shit like that to me all the time. So I was very like, you know, that was kind of. I was always kind of that kind of kid. Yeah, I knew how to get in and out of situations quickly and like lie and cheat and steal or whatever I had to do to like get where I needed to go. So I just was very more. I was older than my age very soon.
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B
So. Were you not as close with your sisters? Like you were more hanging?
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A
My sisters? Very close with my sisters. Well, my one sister was a little bit of a buzzkill because she was kind of a straight laced and I didn't have time for that. And she was like, you know, she was very annoying and would always tell on me and. And I was, did you get in.
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B
Trouble or did your parents not care?
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A
My parents were just like, they were scared of me a little. They were like, what is this? Wild? Like I was wild and I, and my brothers loved it. And they would like crank that out of me, you know, they would take me to the beach. They wouldn't want to pick up girls, so they'd put me in the back of their pickup truck. We'd be on Martha's Vineyard and there would be girls, like these cute, hot Swedish girls hitchhiking. And they'd be like, chelsea, when we get to the beach, you go in the water, act like you're drowning, we're gonna come and save you. And then the girls, we're gonna take them out, you know, like that. So I'd have to do shit like that all the time. I'd be like, ah. And then my brothers were like, come in the water. And I'd be like, thank God you saved me. Just like to get my brothers laid. So like, you know, I just had this kind of child that really. It was so fun.
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B
I know I was going to say it sounds fun.
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A
It was. Yeah, it was really fun. We had a lot of great and wait.
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B
But Martha's Vineyard. Cuz I'm remembering it from the book, like you're bringing me back. That's a little bougie though.
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A
Yeah. We didn't have money. That makes it sound like we were. My dad bought that house for $25,000 and it was on the water and it was 10 acres. He bought it for $25,000 in 1975. And I think we sold it for like eight, six, eight million dollars. 20 years later or no, no, sorry, 50 years later. 25. No, I don't know. When we sold it years ago.
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B
Wow.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
So he was like, before it was what we knew. I don't know how.
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A
Yeah, before it was Martha's Vineyard, he got that problem.
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B
That does sound like a. Sound like a fun childhood. Like with the lots of siblings and the pranks and the thing.
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A
Yeah. And we all had a lot of, you know, we all experienced the same level of non parenting from our parents. My parents were just lame. Like, they wouldn't show up to the school functions, like, you know, teachers night, parents night. My parents weren't. My dad would come. But you didn't want my dad to come because he would come, like in a sweater covered in fucking dog hair and like rain boots, you know, you're just like, stop, I don't want to be seen with you. My mom was. She's antisocial. She. It was a very Jewish neighborhood that I. Jewish and Italian in Livingston, New Jersey. And my mom was not into that scene because the women were very pushy and my mom was German and very quiet and demure and not. But.
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B
But Jewish, right?
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A
No, not Jewish.
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B
My dad was Jewish.
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A
We were raised Jewish. My mom was Mormon, actually. So we kept that. She kept that under wraps as long as she could.
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B
Thank God it was thing. Because I have kids and I say this as a joke, but I also think it's kids.
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A
I would never have guessed.
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B
Really?
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A
How many do you have?
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B
Why? Because I'm cute and young.
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A
Yeah. You don't seem like you have kids. You don't give off that mom vibe.
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B
I love that.
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A
Yeah, you should never give off a mom vibe. Nobody wants.
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B
No, that's the best.
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A
I mean, I guess it's your mom, maybe you want it, but.
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B
Right. Wait. Thank you.
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A
How old are they?
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B
Five and a year and a half.
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A
Oh, wow, look at you.
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B
Let's see. But because of the compliment, I don't know what's. What I want. Oh, okay. Now, so. Because I like show up to everything and I'm. And I always think as a joke, but I think it's also true that the kids that get neglected end up like, being like fiercer and more independent and having more of a personality. And I'm like, scared to like, be a good parent.
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A
Be good of a parent.
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B
Right.
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A
Want to give.
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B
Because like those stories of like, they didn't show up, you know, it's like, I think of that movie. What was that Sean Penn movie like, I Am Sam. Like, I just think like, the smartest kids come from like, the shittiest growing up situation is good.
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A
You raise a good point. That's an interesting point. I don't know. I mean, I don't think you could ever love someone too hard or be too reliable on, like. I think it is a good structure to have parents that show up to your things when you are a kid. Yeah, you kind of need it. I don't look back fondly and think about all the times they forgot to pick me up from fucking Hebrew school in the middle of a snowstorm and I had to walk three miles and get pneumonia. I don't think about, like, oh, my parents really loved me.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But. Yeah, that's a true story. Yeah, you should have seen me. I walked home from Hebrew school one day. We had this janitor that worked at our temple, and his name was Isaac. And he had already been through all of my brothers and sisters because they had all gone to Hebrew school too, at the same temple. And every Sunday after Hebrew school, there was a lineup where everyone would wait for their parents and their carpools, you know, like, and. But no one would carpool with my family because my parents never showed up. So I would just go out there and just hope every Sunday that they. One of them would come, you know, like, are they here? I know they're not in the line, but maybe they'll come and pick me up because I'd always have to just wait and wait and they'd be like, 20 minutes late, 30 minutes late. And then one day this guy Isaac who worked, he came out and he goes, chels, you know, do you want me to call your dad? He probably forgot. And I go, you know what? Fuck these guys. I'm walking home, I'm like, I'm going to teach them a lesson. And I walked three miles home and it was a snowstorm, and I was not. And I walked in and my dad was sitting at the kitchen counter reading the New York Times, and I just walked in, slammed the door, and I was like, what the fuck is up with you two? I'm like, I just walked home from. From Hebrew school. I'm eight. I'm like, you guys are the worst. And I'm like, and I'm not going to school at all this week because now I have pneumonia and I refuse to speak to them all week. And I just took a week off. I'm like, that's what you get.
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B
How didn't you make my horizontal life a movie or a show?
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A
How didn't I?
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B
Yeah, did you? And I don't know.
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A
I Don't know. Did I? No, I don't think I did.
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B
I feel like it's such a, I.
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A
Could see it's a good, it's a good little show. It'd be a good animated show actually.
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B
Would it?
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A
Yeah, for like actual smart ass little 8 year old who's just yelling at her parents.
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B
So, so to come to our conclusion, I think that it's like, okay, you can't like love them too much and obviously show up, but there is something in a little bit of maybe tough love to not make them too soft.
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A
Well, you can. Yeah. You can't just have everything go your way because then something, the minute something doesn't go your way, you're like, oh, what happened? You know what I mean? But yeah, I mean it's, it's nice to be able to be solution oriented to a degree. Like I, I, I can take care of myself.
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B
You're a survivor.
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A
Yeah, I am a survivor. You're a survivor. I started working when I was eight. I mean I was like, I have to make my own money. These people.
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B
Where were you working?
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A
I started my own lemonade stand. Then I started my own vodka lemonade stand. Cause I was like, that's a bigger profit margin. Then I started babysitting. When I was 10 years old I started babysitting and I lied, I said I was 15.
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B
That's wild. That we were babysitting.
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A
I was babysitting as a 15 year old, but I was 10 and I was babysitting for a 14 year old boy. So he was four years older than me and I was putting him.
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B
Okay, so you weren't with babies?
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A
No.
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B
Okay.
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A
No.
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B
Good.
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A
I was babysitting somebody. Yeah, Someone who was older than me.
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B
That's so funny. And so when did you, you went to college or.
- [42:43]
A
No, not really.
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B
No. Like you tried or.
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A
I tried.
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B
You tried.
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A
Like I went to Morris County Community College or the County College of Morris in Morristown, New Jersey for about a half a semester. And I just came home one day and looked at my parents. My boyfriend broke up with me and I was like, I've got nothing left here. I'm like, it's time for me to go to Los Angeles. And my dad was like, let me get a car ready for you. He's like, I'll get you four new tires. Get the fuck out of here. My parents were so over me because I was crazy. I did so many drugs.
- [43:12]
B
And you were living at home.
- [43:13]
A
Yeah. And I just was, I was just a nightmare and I needed to get away from my family to get some space. And then I came back to my family. I needed a break. Like, I didn't like the constraints. I didn't like childhood. I wanted to be my own person and I felt like they were restraining me.
- [43:31]
B
Did you. Were you ever in LA before you made that move?
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A
Yeah, I had visited la. My aunt and uncle lived in la and I had visited LA a couple times and I was like, oh, this is where I'm.
- [43:39]
B
Okay. So it wasn't like this like la.
- [43:40]
A
No, I just knew that you knew. I knew. Always knew I'd go to la.
- [43:43]
B
You always knew you'd go. Okay, so then you went at 18.
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A
19.
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B
19.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then you arrive and.
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A
And I was like, okay, let's start pounding the pavement. And I just started waitressing. And then I moved in with my aunt and uncle. I lived on their couch. They had nine children. I was their nanny. I drove the kids.
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B
This is the Mormon. Is this the Mormon side?
- [44:00]
A
Yeah, they're more Irish because everyone's having. There's a lot of children in our family. Lots of people. Lots of. Lots of.
- [44:06]
B
Wait, is this what made you so anti having kids?
- [44:09]
A
No, I just thought that seems like it's gonna hold me back.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like just. I don't want to deal with it. Being responsible for another human being.
- [44:17]
B
No, that made sense to me. But I'm just now connecting the like. Whoa. It's not only that you. It's like a lot of kids. All these people have a lot, right? Yeah.
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A
So I do like kids. I just don't want them.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I don't want to be responsible for that.
- [44:29]
B
Right.
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A
It's too much responsibility.
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B
Yeah, I get it. Yeah, I totally get that outlook.
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A
I like freedom.
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B
So if your friends bring like kids on a trip. That's annoying.
- [44:39]
A
It depends. What kind of kids? How old are they? What their person? If you.
- [44:43]
B
What's baby? That. What's what's baby? What's better a baby though? Or like a. You know, sometimes a baby is actually the better.
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A
Not really interested in babies.
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B
Oh. They need to have like a personality. I. Okay.
- [44:54]
A
Yeah. They want some interaction.
- [44:55]
B
Okay. Okay. I got you. Yeah. Cuz you're really sweet with like your niece. You post her a lot, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Do you have a lot of nieces and ne.
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A
I have eight or nine.
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B
Eight or nine?
- [45:04]
A
Yeah.
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B
And are you equally like.
- [45:07]
A
No, I favor the girls.
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B
Oh, you do?
- [45:08]
A
Totally. Yeah. I mean, it's. They all know it.
- [45:12]
B
Like you don't even try.
- [45:13]
A
I don't try. They all know that I'M how I feel. Yeah, I have to favor the girls.
- [45:19]
B
Your sisters or brothers get mad.
- [45:20]
A
No, they are aware. I don't lie. I'm just like, listen, this is how it is, you know, she's my favorite.
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B
Oh, there's one favorite?
- [45:28]
A
Well, no, the girls are my favorite.
- [45:30]
B
All the girls are favorites. But that's fun that they get, like. Yeah, you like, pamper them?
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A
Yeah, I take care of them.
- [45:35]
B
That's fun. But do they live in la?
- [45:37]
A
No, no one lives in la.
- [45:38]
B
No one lives in la. So they have to like, fly out, come visit.
- [45:41]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [45:42]
B
Would you want them to live in la? Are you okay with the distance?
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A
I. I don't. I don't need anyone to live in la. I barely live in la. I'm not even there that much.
- [45:49]
B
Really.
- [45:50]
A
Yeah, I'm always bouncing around. I'm on tour. I'm about to start my new tour, so like, that's going to keep me away. I have a house in Canada that I spend my winters in because I love to ski. So I don't really spend that much time in la. Yeah, I do live there, but I'm not there that often. So. No, I'm not looking for anyone to move to LA to be closer to me. Well, okay, in case you were asking that.
- [46:08]
B
No, because I was wondering. I was like, you're so close with your family, you know.
- [46:11]
A
Yeah, sometimes closer than others. Right now they're on it. They're on a probation, some of them.
- [46:16]
B
What do they do?
- [46:17]
A
Just wives and husbands that I didn't marry that I don't want to deal with.
- [46:20]
B
Oh, wives and husbands.
- [46:22]
A
I'm the spouses of your brothers and sisters. It's like, it's not my problem. And I.
- [46:26]
B
So how did it become your problem, though?
- [46:28]
A
I just don't want to, like. It didn't become a problem. I just was spending. Choosing to spend my vacations with my family and their spouses and it dawned on me that I didn't marry these people. And they're not my spouses, those are my sibling spouses. They can deal with them. And I'm going to deal with who I want to deal with because they.
- [46:45]
B
Don'T want to, like, leave them and go on vacation without them.
- [46:49]
A
Yeah, I don't think it's really popular to be like, hey, I'm going away with my sisters and brothers and you stay home.
- [46:54]
B
I mean, you could do that.
- [46:55]
A
Yeah, I would like to do that.
- [46:57]
B
Yeah, you could do just a. Or just a girls trip.
- [46:59]
A
Yeah, you know. Well, my sisters and I Are good like that. We can have girls trip. My sister's coming in today. I'm doing Fallon later. She's going to come in. We're going to the Knicks game together.
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B
All that's fun.
- [47:08]
A
Yeah.
- [47:08]
B
Do you guys have, like, jealousy, like, within. So you have two sisters, right? Do they. Is there, like, one that you're closer with or. I'm pretty close to both of them get jealous or. If you're taking her to Fallon, does the other one care?
- [47:22]
A
Yeah, I like to make them jealous, but I don't know that they. I mean, I don't think it's real jealous.
- [47:26]
B
Oh, they don't.
- [47:27]
A
Pretty evenly distributed. We don't have that. I mean, I'm not jealous. No. I mean, sometimes. Yeah. If they're together and I'm not together with them, I'll be like, oh, that sucks. But, no, we're. We're pretty good. I have very good sisters.
- [47:38]
B
Yeah.
- [47:38]
A
No one's a bitch. We're not drama queens. I mean, I'm the biggest drama queen.
- [47:43]
B
And no one wanted your life?
- [47:45]
A
No.
- [47:46]
B
No one wanted to be in entertainment, but.
- [47:47]
A
No, no, no.
- [47:48]
B
Really?
- [47:49]
A
No.
- [47:49]
B
That's interesting. Yeah. No one got, like, the itch from, like, seeing you?
- [47:53]
A
No, no. I think that they see what I do and they're, like, good.
- [47:58]
B
Really?
- [47:58]
A
Like, yeah. Like, my sister would never want to walk out on stage in front of.
- [48:04]
B
A huge group of people. Right?
- [48:06]
A
Although she did. She came to my tour one year. I don't know where we were, maybe Baltimore. And she. She came out on stage after, and I was, like, closing the show, and I'm taking pictures with people at the front of the stage and blah, blah, blah, signing stuff. And she came out and I had done a bit about her, and she's like, tell them I'm the one. I'm the virgin. I'm the virgin. Tell them. And I was like, what are you doing right now? You want attention from these people? And so she, like, wanted to see them, but she didn't want any pressure, you know, she wanted everyone to know I was her sister. So I was like, that. You're funny. I'm like, you wanted that.
- [48:36]
B
I'm like, you wanted that. Wanted a moment.
- [48:39]
A
She's like, yeah, I deserve a moment. I'm like, oh, you do?
- [48:41]
B
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A
Well, my first big break maybe Girls Behaving Badly was. She was like this hidden camera show I did when I was in my 20s, 2720. But I also wrote My Horizontal Life right as that show was happening. And that book ended up being a really big success for me as a first book, A first time author. Like, first of all, I can't even believe I even. I was getting a book published. It was such a joke.
- [54:27]
B
Wait, so you got the book published before Chelsea Lately?
- [54:31]
A
Yeah.
- [54:31]
B
Really?
- [54:32]
A
I did Girls Behaving Badly. Then I got. I had a couple development deals. Cause I was doing stand up, so people were giving me like NBC. I had a development deal for a talk show. Not talk show, a sitcom about me. Didn't go anywhere. And then I had another development deal with like 20th century or something. And then I got Girls Behaving Badly. And then I published my first book. And then when I got Chelsea Lately, I came out with my second book. And then that all kind of.
- [54:55]
B
But you're telling it really quickly and it sounds like it all happened in a minute. Like it sounds like, was it that like, oh, I was performing people. I started getting these opportunities or was it.
- [55:06]
A
It was like a cascade of like wins and wins, but over the course of about seven years. Yeah, you. I don't think I really like hit it, hit it until I was about 33.
- [55:16]
B
And that was Chelsea.
- [55:17]
A
That was Chelsea Lately. That's when that show blew up. And then, then my life was like, oh, I'm a famous person.
- [55:22]
B
I'm a star. Yeah, but stand up was your thing. Like you were doing stand up.
- [55:26]
A
I started doing stand up.
- [55:27]
B
Oh, you started doing. You started with doing stand up? Like writing jokes and going out there and everything?
- [55:31]
A
Yeah.
- [55:32]
B
Oh, wow.
- [55:32]
A
And my horizontal life was amazing because I wrote this book. I used to just tell these stories like at dinner parties and. And somebody was like, you need to write these stories down. They're ridiculous. Like all my One Night Stand stories. And so when I sent the book out to a million different publishers, my manager at the time, and everyone said no, except for this one company, Bloomsbury, which is in the uk. And they were like, we're going to publish this. It was $35,000 that they paid me. $35,000. I was like 27 years old. It's my first book deal and I signed it. And I called my brothers and sisters, all went to college, they're like attorneys, went a cpa, one's a chef. And I called my sister I'm like, I just got a book deal. And she's like, what? A book about what? And I was like, don't worry about it. Like, I couldn't fucking wait to show, like, to. To have a book published in my family from. The only one that didn't go to college.
- [56:21]
B
Yeah.
- [56:22]
A
Just I knew was going to drive them all to drink, you know, and that gave me a lot of pleasure.
- [56:27]
B
That's wild. I didn't realize you wrote it at 27. You said so. Then you get Chelsea lately, which is, like, still to me, the pinnacle of, like, late night. Like, I just feel like, how did that. And how hasn't it happened again? How isn't there a spot for something like that? You know what I mean?
- [56:45]
A
Yeah. I don't know that that show should be on the air with somebody else doing it at the.
- [56:49]
B
Wait, why did it. Why did it end?
- [56:51]
A
I just was. I was. I was.
- [56:52]
B
Oh, you, you, you.
- [56:54]
A
Yeah, I quit.
- [56:55]
B
You quit?
- [56:55]
A
Yeah, I quit things. Seven years. Seven years.
- [56:58]
B
We're over it.
- [56:59]
A
I was time to move on. I wanted to do something different. I was bored talking about Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears and just felt sad at a certain point. It wasn't sad. It was like. It was just not challenging to me. And I'm not a. I'm a. Like, I needed to move on and evolve. There were other things I was interested in. I didn't want to just be known as, like, this catty person that was making fun of people. I wanted to actually learn some stuff and, like, get into documentaries. And I made a deal with Netflix, and they kind of let me do whatever the hell I wanted. I traveled the world.
- [57:27]
B
I remember that.
- [57:28]
A
You know, on their budget, and I liked that. And we filmed everything, you know, But.
- [57:32]
B
But when you made that decision, it was probably a big, like. I mean, I get you being over it after seven years, but how long did you sit with yourself? Like, wait, I'm giving up. Like, I didn't. You didn't.
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A
I don't. I don't have a lot of hard time making decisions.
- [57:46]
B
Oh, I'm so jealous.
- [57:48]
A
Yeah. No, I just know, like, just know. It's time. It's time to change the channel.
- [57:53]
B
They try to convince you to say yes.
- [57:55]
A
Like, there was lots of money thrown.
- [57:56]
B
Around, and you were like, hell's not that.
- [57:58]
A
I'm not even interested in the money. It's not about that. I'm done. I want to move on. And then I wanted a year off. I took a year off. I traveled. Then I told them you know, Netflix wanted me to do a talk show and I said, let me just do some documentaries. I wanted to go to Peru and do ayahuasca and film that. So I did that. I went to Russia, I went to Tokyo, we went to. We went to India. We filmed it everywhere, all over the world, and we had a blast. And then I did my talk show for a couple years. Wasn't really super successful. These talk shows don't work on these streaming platforms. I was the first one that did it.
- [58:27]
B
What, that was on Netflix?
- [58:29]
A
Yeah, Chelsea, it was called. And it was fun, but it wasn't like I was also, you know, it was a kind of a time. I was turning 40. Trump was elected. I wasn't happy. Camper about that. That really threw me off my game the whole election. And then I kind of got really wrapped up in that and that kind of led into going into therapy and then I just needed time off. Like, I was like, you know what, I work too much. I just want to be a person and like, see what I'm interested in. You know, I didn't want my whole life to be. My whole identity to be like my, my professional life. I wanted a life.
- [59:04]
B
And you feel like in your 30s, it was all that. It was all like work, work, work, work, work, work.
- [59:10]
A
So then I was like, I want to go. I bought a house in Canada. I bought a house in Spain. I wanted to learn Spanish. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's not perfect, but I can get by. And I wanted to just live a life, like be a real person. And that's what I did.
- [59:27]
B
So your 40s were about that? You would say?
- [59:29]
A
Yeah, I mean, I worked because I have to support my lifestyle, but I didn't work in the way that I worked in my 20s and 30s. I just took some time to really get to know myself and to figure out what it is I want and what I'm going after and what kind of work I am going to do that's going to make me happy.
- [59:45]
B
So what did, what did you find? That I found out that I need.
- [59:48]
A
To just do all of the things I do and not do anything all the time. You know, like, my podcast is great because I get to talk to real people and it's purposeful and I give real advice to people that are looking for real advice. Netflix just bought my podcast so people can watch it on Netflix. I just sold a TV show that I'm gonna act in.
- [60:07]
B
Woo. Yeah, I was gonna ask you about tv.
- [60:10]
A
Yeah, I'm gonna do that. So that's exciting. I can't remember.
- [60:12]
B
Is that Jason? Oh, we're not talking about it yet.
- [60:14]
A
We're not talking about it yet. But it's. It's. It's happening. It's in the works. I can't make any announcements about that. But that's gonna be fun.
- [60:20]
B
Cause I've never acted in a. I, I literally. Would you ever act? I was thinking about that. I was like, how haven't you done TV in that way? So it's gonna happen.
- [60:30]
A
Yeah.
- [60:30]
B
Hey, I love that.
- [60:31]
A
I'm really excited about that. And then my standup. I just love standup. Like, I took six years off from doing standup, so coming back to standup after that time, I've done three specials in four years. I love it. You do? I have such a newfound respect for it and for the way I conduct myself at this age and the way that I operate that it's been like a much more joyful experience, a much more present. You know, I used to just be shit faced and be like, oh, I've got three shows tonight. Very loosey goosey. And of course, I'm always, you know, a little loosey goosey, but I just kind of recalibrated, you know, I really took some time away from it to understand, do I like this and what do I like about it and what is my job? And my job is to spread, like, joy and sunshine. I want people to, like, get the vibe going.
- [61:15]
B
I love that there are, like, two sides of you that, like, I feel like people don't see the, like, super soft side that often. But, like, I'm seeing it so often. Like, even in our conversation, you know, even when we're talking about the kids, like, I was trying to be more like, maybe we need to neglect them for them. And you're like, no, never enough love. I'm like, okay. And then now, like, spread sunshine and joy.
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A
Yeah, yeah, I love that. I like that. I want people to be inspired also.
- [61:42]
B
But what about the travel, Chelsea? Because, like, I'm. You like the planes and the, like, hopping around.
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A
I know, but I'm so used to it. I operate so much better out of a hotel room than I do out of my own house.
- [61:52]
B
Seriously.
- [61:53]
A
Sometimes when I'm in my own house, I'm like, there's. It's. This is too much. There's too many things here. I'm gonna fuck all of this up. Up. If I'm in a contained hotel room. Yeah. What could possibly go wrong?
- [62:02]
B
I was just listening, I think, to Ricky Gervais say something about his. Do you like him?
- [62:06]
A
Yeah.
- [62:07]
B
Okay, good. Something about his stand up and that he does it like he, I think he said, like luxurious, like a luxurious tour. Yeah, yeah.
- [62:14]
A
I don't. Yours is around with you? No, no, it is, it is. I don't fuck around with Marriott Courtyards or any something. I, I have to, I will not sleep in a city that doesn't have the right.
- [62:25]
B
Is it private jet?
- [62:26]
A
Sometimes, but not, not always. No. I fly commercially.
- [62:29]
B
Do you take like breaks though?
- [62:31]
A
Like, yeah, I do, like, fly five weekends in a row and then take a week off.
- [62:35]
B
Okay.
- [62:35]
A
But I do perform Thursday, Friday, Saturday, so it's not like I'm out every night doing shows seven nights a week. Yeah, I, I know how to do it in a way that preserves my energy and, and you know, makes me comfortable.
- [62:48]
B
Yeah.
- [62:48]
A
But I, I, you know, when you do travel as much as I do, you're very used to hotel life.
- [62:53]
B
Life. Hotel life, but also, like, what about like, flights, airports, like all that packing?
- [62:58]
A
I don't pack myself.
- [62:59]
B
You don't pack yourself, but you know what's in there?
- [63:01]
A
They tell you I see it when I open it. And there's a lot of the same things. So, like there's a toiletry kit.
- [63:07]
B
Yeah.
- [63:07]
A
And at my house in la, is.
- [63:09]
B
It stylist or my house assistant?
- [63:10]
A
My housekeeper packs me for every trip, but there's a toiletry kit that has everything I need. And there's eight of them. And one of them goes to Whistler, one of them goes to Spain, one of them comes on the road, one of them's in Vegas. Like, one of them stays at my hotel in New York that I always stay at. So, like, I have it dialed. My life is a dream. And I will never pretend that I am not the most grateful for the way that my life is organized around me because it allows me to just be chill and be myself.
- [63:36]
B
I love that for you.
- [63:37]
A
I mean, it's really fun to be able to have a career about, like, for being myself.
- [63:44]
B
Yeah.
- [63:44]
A
I don't have to do anything but be myself.
- [63:46]
B
You're not like learning ping pong for seven years?
- [63:49]
A
No, but I, I am really good at ping pong. I want to say I am.
- [63:52]
B
You should challenge Timmy.
- [63:54]
A
I don'. I don't think that I could beat him if he's been playing for seven years. I also think that's a long time to be practicing something for a movie. I don't have that kind of commitment.
- [64:01]
B
You could pretend. Do you think he took the tour too seriously.
- [64:05]
A
He took the press tour too seriously. It seemed so.
- [64:07]
B
Yeah.
- [64:08]
A
He seemed pretty serious about winning and getting acknowledged for his great acting.
- [64:13]
B
Right.
- [64:13]
A
And listen, he's a great actor, but it's hard to hear someone talk about how great they are at acting, I.
- [64:19]
B
Think, because we were talking about Leo before, and I think when I saw him do the press tour, that's who I have. That's like my golden star is the Leos. You know, Leo specifically. And I couldn't. I was like, Leo wouldn't say that even though it took him so long to win. Right. He didn't win anything until that wrestling with the Bear movie.
- [64:35]
A
Is that what he won for the bear?
- [64:37]
B
The. The. The bear? Yeah.
- [64:39]
A
Leo wouldn't do that. Leo is a movie star.
- [64:41]
B
Yeah.
- [64:41]
A
He wouldn't talk like that.
- [64:42]
B
He wouldn't talk like that.
- [64:43]
A
I mean, that's new.
- [64:44]
B
That's a new kind of, like, I.
- [64:45]
A
Haven'T heard any actor kind of talk like that.
- [64:47]
B
Right. Unless he was being method, which people are speculating.
- [64:50]
A
Oh, yeah, right, right. Is he playing as he's. Basically.
- [64:53]
B
That would be the only excuse for me if it. If it was that.
- [64:56]
A
Right.
- [64:56]
B
I was thinking about this today to ask you, even though now that I, like, got to know you more, I feel like I would know your answer. But how do you deal with, like, competition in this industry, other people doing what you do, maybe getting an opportunity that you want. Like, how. How do you navigate that?
- [65:13]
A
I think when you have. First of all, jealousy is a completely. Envy is a completely natural emotion to have, and it's really kind of. How do you harness that? That you have to admit that you feel that way, a. That you are feeling envious or you are feeling jealous. And then you have to realize, like, you know, you have to digest that. Like, how are you going to operate with that feeling? It's totally normal and natural to be envious of people or see people get opportunities and wish you had them. But I think with age, you realize, like, what. What's meant for you doesn't fly by you. You get what you get and. And you don't have to, like, all ships rise with the tide. You know, when women are succeed, we're all succeeding. And blowing out someone else's candle doesn't make yours brighter. You want everyone's candles lit and you.
- [66:00]
B
Feel that way genuinely inside.
- [66:01]
A
Yeah. And even if I don't like someone or I find someone annoying, I remind myself, like, this is somebody who's trying really hard and wants to succeed and to be gentle with them and not judge them. Like, I did, too. I tried really hard, too, at a certain point in my life, you know, so to be patient and. And also to be patient with yourself. Those. It's totally normal to have jealousy.
- [66:22]
B
Yeah. Because we're always told, like, don't compare. Comparison is the thief of joy. Which, like, I agree. If you find yourself doing it, then you can, you know, stop. But. But we all do it.
- [66:32]
A
And also, don't, don't. But don't act on jealousy.
- [66:35]
B
Right.
- [66:36]
A
You know, you can have the feeling, but don't go actively and try to up something for someone else. Like, that's. But I mean, it's not that. Wish for it or like, I hope that person tanks. I hope they suck. Right.
- [66:49]
B
You never wish anything bad upon anybody.
- [66:50]
A
I don't actively do that. I think I find those to be very negative vibes.
- [66:54]
B
Okay. The only thing I wish actively.
- [66:56]
A
Yes.
- [66:57]
B
Is like, for certain couples to break up.
- [66:59]
A
I think probably a lot of people feel that way.
- [67:01]
B
It's like, very specific.
- [67:02]
A
I'm like, that is very specific. But I have a feeling a lot of people feel that way.
- [67:06]
B
I'm a woman obsessed. No, but I was being dramatic today in my head about other things. And I think I texted my sister, I'm suicidal. Which you shouldn't say, say lightly, but you do. People do.
- [67:16]
A
I've told my friends and my team that I don't have the will to survive. At a certain point I was like, I don't care. I go, guys, I'm not going to kill myself. No one has to worry about that. I'm not killing myself. But if there was like, a group euthanasia, I would sign up. Like, I don't have what it takes to continue. I'm exhausted and I'm tired and I'm spent. And that's what I'm at my most. Depleted. That.
- [67:35]
B
Yeah.
- [67:36]
A
Because I do want to do a group euthanasia at some point.
- [67:38]
B
I'm sure you do.
- [67:40]
A
I mean, that's just a nicer way to go out. If everything just. Just falls to. I would like to just go to.
- [67:45]
B
Sleep, by the way, I. Yeah. Or go with everybody is like.
- [67:49]
A
And get a group of friends and be like, let's all just take this morphine and call it.
- [67:52]
B
So the drug thing, is it because. Because you're like, you're. You talk about, like, smoking pot and, like, doing this up. It's mostly pot. Right. Or like mushrooms.
- [68:01]
A
I love all drugs. I love drugs. I love lsd. I love mdma. I love. I mean, I don't love cocaine and heroin.
- [68:07]
B
Right.
- [68:07]
A
But those drugs are gross. I mean, I've definitely done them, but I don't do them on the regular. But I'm not. I love drugs. I think they're a great mind expander and they're not for everybody, but they're for me.
- [68:17]
B
Did you start later in life?
- [68:19]
A
No.
- [68:20]
B
Or did you try them when you were growing up?
- [68:22]
A
I mean, right now everything's microdosed. So everything to me now is like. It's like this is the best time for drugs because everything is microdosed. You can get lsd, microdose, you could mdma. Like, so there's nothing to be scared of because you're not gonna get that fucked up anyway.
- [68:37]
B
And you probably have like a doctor that like checks it for you. Oh, I have lots of doct check things for you.
- [68:41]
A
Yeah.
- [68:42]
B
And make sure it's okay.
- [68:43]
A
I have lots of. Yeah, I have a whole system.
- [68:46]
B
Sure. You.
- [68:46]
A
I mean, it's like basically Breaking Bad at my house in Whistler. Yeah. People come over with their mdma. They have their capsules, they measure. We have a drug scale. Like, okay, let's put 50 milligrams in this. We'll do 150 for this. And that person gets 100. Like, we prescribe it.
- [69:01]
B
Wait, could you be friends and hang out with someone who's like, sober?
- [69:05]
A
I mean, I try not to.
- [69:06]
B
No, stop. For real.
- [69:07]
A
Not interested. I have some friends.
- [69:10]
B
What about like, like drinks but wouldn't do a drug? Yeah.
- [69:14]
A
That's okay.
- [69:15]
B
You're not into it.
- [69:16]
A
I'm not. No. Like, if I'm gonna date a guy, they're gonna have to party.
- [69:19]
B
Really? Yes.
- [69:20]
A
I want to party. I like to get loose.
- [69:23]
B
I love you. And also, this isn't new for you.
- [69:26]
A
No. Like, by the way, I'm 50 years old.
- [69:29]
B
Yeah.
- [69:30]
A
I'm a perfect shining example of drugs being an enhancement to my life.
- [69:35]
B
Like.
- [69:35]
A
Yeah.
- [69:36]
B
What.
- [69:36]
A
What are you gonna say? I'm a. I'm a loser. I don't have it together. I do.
- [69:39]
B
But not everyone has your composition. Whatever you're made of.
- [69:43]
A
Yeah, no, I have some Hercules to going on in here.
- [69:45]
B
But do you.
- [69:46]
A
Do.
- [69:47]
B
You don't have like, you don't get like anxiety? You don't get like hangovers that make you like, never want to do it again?
- [69:53]
A
Sometimes, but not really. No. I don't suffer from that kind of stuff.
- [69:56]
B
You, you wake up and work out.
- [69:58]
A
I'm a well oiled machine.
- [69:59]
B
You wait.
- [70:00]
A
I wake up and I work out about.
- [70:01]
B
Yeah, you Are.
- [70:02]
A
I do some. I do sometimes have a terrible hangover. Yes. I. These things happen to me. Yeah, but it's not the usual.
- [70:07]
B
It's not the usual. Y, O, O, J. By the way, if you guys wanted to spell it, that's how you spell you. You did turn 50. Well, 51 in February, right?
- [70:17]
A
Yeah. Well, let's not get there.
- [70:18]
B
Well, I know. I, like, I'm with you. Enjoy it.
- [70:21]
A
I'm loving this 50 number so much that I don't want to. I just want to stay 50. Yeah, but I'll go to 51.
- [70:26]
B
I'll go. How was that? How was turning 50 pretty fun?
- [70:30]
A
It was epic. I had an epic birthday last year. It was pretty crazy. I had three birthday parties. I. What did I. Oh, my book came out on my birthday, so that was cool. So I was doing press on my birthday, which was a great way to do it. Everywhere I went, somebody sang me Happy Birthday. Every show I'd walk on to, they were singing Happy Birthday. So that was really fun. And I'm just pretty stoked that this is what 50 is, because, I mean, I feel like, you know, definitely hotter than I did when I was 30. I mean, I just want, like, any girl that's listening, like, life keeps getting better and better and better.
- [71:02]
B
It's so inspiring.
- [71:03]
A
I'm like, I'm more fit physically than I've ever been. I look better than I've ever been. Obviously, I have a lot of help. This isn't all natural, but I'm liking my life. I like my love stories and the. And the men I get to be around and the adventure. I just came back from Antarctica. Like, I went on a trip for 10 days to Antarctica. Like, I fucking love that I did that.
- [71:25]
B
Yeah.
- [71:25]
A
You know, I love. I like the decisions I make and that I'm always up for it.
- [71:30]
B
You're, like, more confident than ever.
- [71:32]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel pretty. I feel pretty good about the fact that I don't have to second guess myself ever.
- [71:38]
B
That's the thing about aging. Even when you turn, like, 30, you get better at the things that you sucked at when you were 20. You know, you, like, know who you are more. You make decisions for yourself. That's what feels good.
- [71:50]
A
And 30s, there's, like, an air of 30s. There's a period of, am I doing this right? Am I doing the right thing? Like, for me, my 30s were. I was always confident or I had a bravado anyway, to make me seem confident, maybe even when I wasn't, you know, but 30s was always, like, I wasn't sure. Well, okay, I. I know I'm doing well, but, like, you know, not. Not having the confidence of my own conviction necessarily. Like. Like now I just don't ever second guess myself. That's huge. Every decision is the right decision. I don't look back and go, what if I did that? It's just whatever decision you make, then you go, make a right, then make the right. And don't look left.
- [72:32]
B
Right.
- [72:33]
A
Then that becomes the right decision. So I'm very decisive, and that's been a good friend to me.
- [72:38]
B
And that has gotten, only better. Like with aids, you're saying?
- [72:41]
A
Yeah, my instincts. Listening to your instinct, listening to your gut. Knowing when a person's not good for you, getting away from them. I don't like to learn lessons two, three times. I like to get the message the first time.
- [72:51]
B
So you said you're dating. Is it still the same guy you were, like, a little gushy over?
- [72:57]
A
When was that, today?
- [72:58]
B
No, no, it wasn't today. Maybe it was like a year ago, actually.
- [73:02]
A
Oh, no, this is a different guy.
- [73:03]
B
No. Yeah, there was a guy. You were talking about him not having ego. You like that?
- [73:07]
A
Oh, yeah. He got cut from the roster.
- [73:09]
B
The roster.
- [73:11]
A
So there's a new man in town.
- [73:12]
B
There's a new man. 1. So you do like monogamy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or because I remember you saying you wanted lovers all around the world.
- [73:21]
A
I do.
- [73:21]
B
Okay.
- [73:21]
A
You want that? Okay, I do. But I'm also open to a little monogamy.
- [73:24]
B
Is this guy American? Huh?
- [73:26]
A
Yeah, he is.
- [73:27]
B
Okay. And he has an ego.
- [73:29]
A
He has an ego. I'm sure he has an ego.
- [73:31]
B
Okay. Not like the egoless guy.
- [73:33]
A
He's not a guy guy. He's not a. He's a. He's got a lot of good vibrations. He's not like a brother.
- [73:40]
B
Okay?
- [73:40]
A
Not like that.
- [73:41]
B
Okay.
- [73:41]
A
I don't date guys like that.
- [73:42]
B
You don't? You date like. Well, you did. I name. Not that Joe Coy was a bro, but he's kind of a bro. Would you ever be that public about a relationship again? Like you were with him?
- [73:51]
A
Yeah, I don't really. Yeah. I don't regret being public with him. I don't care.
- [73:55]
B
You guys were like, I know. Collab.
- [73:57]
A
I know, I know. It was embarrassing. I know, I know.
- [74:01]
B
I mean, like, based on what we talked about today, like our icks. And.
- [74:04]
A
Yeah, you know, that was an ick.
- [74:06]
B
And then, like, not only did they have an Instagram, but you.
- [74:08]
A
I know, I know. Listen, believe me, you don't have to tell me, okay? I was just trying to mix somebody happy. Okay?
- [74:13]
B
That was.
- [74:13]
A
That's how nice I am.
- [74:14]
B
I mean, I shipped, by the way. For the record, if you go back in time, I was all over that, you know, like, sad with the breakup. Like, I was there, right?
- [74:26]
A
Appreciated people's support of our relationship. It was very sweet.
- [74:29]
B
Felt good, too. It did.
- [74:31]
A
It felt sweet and I liked it. And, you know, it was. It was. It was fine for what it was, and then, you know, it wasn't.
- [74:38]
B
So every relationship is like, you don't. You didn't make a choice. Like, now I'm not going to post anymore, like, who I'm dating. I don't care.
- [74:44]
A
I don't make. I don't take myself that seriously. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't have time for, like, secrets or plans or strategies. I'm just doing what I'm doing if the person is okay with being public. Like, I try and respect people's privacy if they're not a public person, but also, I can't guarantee that I'm going to respect your privacy if you date me. Like, it's probably going to be. Probably going to talk about you at some point.
- [75:03]
B
Are you going to do the naked, like, ski video this year?
- [75:06]
A
Yeah, I think so. I got to figure out where I'm going to shoot it this year, though.
- [75:09]
B
You're going to keep it going?
- [75:10]
A
Yeah, that's a tradition. I have a great bathing suit for this year, so I got to get that.
- [75:14]
B
She's ready. See, there's something she does take seriously.
- [75:17]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [75:17]
B
And the High and Mighty Tour.
- [75:19]
A
Uhhuh. I'm on tour starting February 13th. February 13th.
- [75:23]
B
When is new York?
- [75:24]
A
New York is being announced in next month. I'm announcing a whole new batch of dates next month.
- [75:28]
B
Okay.
- [75:29]
A
The tour is on sale. I start in D.C. i'm doing about 60 cities. We're going to add another 60 or 30 cities. I don't know. We're adding a lot of things.
- [75:37]
B
Wow.
- [75:38]
A
Yeah.
- [75:38]
B
So how long is this all gonna take?
- [75:40]
A
Probably a year.
- [75:40]
B
A year?
- [75:41]
A
Probably.
- [75:42]
B
Because you haven't even announced New York yet.
- [75:44]
A
No, no, but I will.
- [75:45]
B
So tickets are on sale. The High and Mighty. This is me trying to get invited to the New York.
- [75:48]
A
Yeah, of course. Come.
- [75:49]
B
Okay.
- [75:50]
A
Yeah, you're welcome to come.
- [75:51]
B
That was that. Was that the High and Mighty Tour? So excited. Are you gonna be high?
- [75:55]
A
I'm gonna. Yes. Someone's gonna be high, and someone's gonna be mighty, and it's probably gonna be me.
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B
Okay. A quick game before I let you go. Overrated. Underrated or perfectly rated?
- [76:06]
A
Okay.
- [76:06]
B
Ready for it?
- [76:07]
A
Love it.
- [76:08]
B
Barbie the movie.
- [76:09]
A
Perfectly rated.
- [76:10]
B
Really? Okay.
- [76:11]
A
Yeah, I liked it. With that said the bear. I don't know. I don't watch the bear, but I. I've seen it. It made me nervous watching that camera work. It gave me, like, a little bit of diarrhea. You know what I mean? There's a lot of moving. I like steadicams, Cold plunges. Overrated.
- [76:27]
B
Overrated. Oh, you don't do them?
- [76:28]
A
No.
- [76:28]
B
Okay. Oh, that's cool. St. Bart's during the holidays.
- [76:32]
A
Overrated.
- [76:32]
B
Okay. Tom Brady.
- [76:34]
A
Overrated.
- [76:36]
B
Kris Jenner's facelift.
- [76:37]
A
That's pretty good Facelift.
- [76:38]
B
Perfectly. Perfectly rated.
- [76:40]
A
Yeah, that's a pretty good facelift.
- [76:41]
B
Thank you for coming. So happy to have you.
- [76:44]
A
Thanks for having me.
- [76:44]
B
The High and Mighty Tour. Now you. Not that you need me to sell tickets.
- [76:47]
A
Coming to a city near you.
- [76:49]
B
Yes. Taylor Swift style.
- [76:51]
A
Yeah, right. Exactly.
- [76:52]
B
Taking over the world.
- [76:53]
A
Exactly. Thank you.
- [76:55]
B
Thank you, thank you.
- [76:56]
A
Not skinny, but yeah.
- [76:57]
B
Not fat. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny, but Not Fat. Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not skinny but not fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next Tuesday.
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A
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