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Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, guys. Happy Tuesday. Tuesday. Welcome to a new episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. This is your girl. It's Samander. I really miss you. You haven't felt in my absence, which, like, you're welcome. Like, people take off. I never take off. Like, I never take off. I do. How many weeks are there in a year? 52. I do all those. All just for me because the industry freaking shuts down from, like, December 19th till January 5th. Okay. I just, like, all those episodes were recorded and handed in so everybody can go on vacation for a very long time. I know it's, like, annoying to say that I'm happy to be back, like, to work and to real life, because I. I understand that I love my job and that's not the case for everybody. And I've been there before, not loving my job. And of course, oh, my God, I've never loved any job. Like, I was the girl. Like, if my boss stepped out, I was leaving. I also had no fear. I'm like, fire me. Fire me. Like, I'll survive. I'll get a different job. I was just not. And I think because I never liked anything, so I was just like, never gave it my all until this. So I get it if you hate me for saying I was happy to get back to work. It's just like, I'm like, give me an email. Like, give me some news. Give me, like, a podcast booking. Give me, Give me something, something. And it was just so dull. But at the same time, I'm like, okay. There is something nice about, like, being forced to, like, not be in the loop, because otherwise you're just in it all the time. Another day, another day, another day, you know? And so forced to, like, nothing's happening, girly. Stop checking your email. Like, everybody's insane parts but you. Actually, I had no desire to be in Saint Barts, and then Bethany Frankel made that real. That was like, it actually sucked to be on Influencer Island. And I'm just thinking about Andy Cohen calling her the Margarita lady. He was like, enough with the tiktoks. But I did see that Tik Tok because she knows how to reel the people in. It's like, why St. Bart's is overrated. And, like, we're all dying to know, because we all saw Nina and fudgeing Alex, Earl and everybody on the same boat with Glenn Powell. And I have to tell you, like, there are things that I look at, and I'm like, fomo. Like, I did not have specific FOMO over that boat. Like, I did not want to be on that boat. You know? Like, I did not want to be waking. Like, I'm. I'm also not. Like, yes, it'd be nice to be on a yacht for a few hours and have some champagne, but, like, I'm not, like, asleep on the boat girl. Which I don't know if they slept on the boat, but also, there were, like, a lot of people which would, like, overwhelm me. I love how I think about it so deeply. I'm like, yeah, no, too many people. Anyway, so I'm happy to be back. I've missed you. I'm. I'm excited for 2026. Like, I'm excited to see what's up, to see what's new, to see what we can do. Who am I? Like, actually, who am I? What else has been going on? There's the mom group drama, which, like, there are moments where I'm like, of course this is tea. You know, of course that it's tea. And there are moments where I'm like, okay, like, let's calm down. Of course. Like, I love Mandy Moore so much. She's a friend of the pod, and I'm a huge Hillary Duff fan. And Ashley Tisdale was also on the pod. I always have pod loyalties. So at the beginning, which is so funny. Like, I know a pop culture expert, but I'm also, like, naive. So when people say something, if people are like, this is the truth, and I'm like, okay, I believe you. So after Ashley Tisdale's article came out about the toxic mom group, first of all, in the article, she said for people that read the whole thing, she said, and by the way, whatever your theory is, it's not those people. Like, don't go there. It's not true. So I was like, oh, I already seen, like, the photo of all those moms and people assuming it's the Hillary Duff crew. And then I was like, oh, she's saying it's not them. So it's not them. Okay. This is what. How I am. I was like, she's saying it's not them. It's not them. It also doesn't align for me. Like, Mandy is the nicest person on Earth. Like, I was like, no, it can't be. But then obviously I saw like, they don't. She didn't follow Mandy and Hillary anymore. And I was like, okay, could it be true? Then she put out another statement by her rep sea saying it's not those girls, like the sleuths got it wrong. And Ashley's not maga, she's a registered Democrat, which, like, I don't know if that was doing too much. And her husband was posting like, where were you on January 6th? And I'm like, oh my God, they're doing too much. Trying to prove all of those things. Like in those situations, you really got to be Kim K. And just like, sit down. I think, I think I'm always like, what would Kim K. Do? Anyway, then Matthew Coma, who I'm obsessed with Hillary Duff's husband and I've been following him forever. He's the funniest, most like, underrated person on the planet. Like, he's just such a fun follow. I almost want to gatekeep him. But he posts real gems and not only his, like anniversary posts for her. Like everything he posts, he has like a relationship with Tiger King Joe. Like, he's hilarious. So he posted this like Photoshop photo of like his the Cut article being like, when you're the most tone deaf person on earth, like, nobody wants to be friends with you. So that was like confirming. I'm like, okay, Matthew just fucking confirmed it that it is about them. But like, he's basically saying Ashley sucks. That's why none of us are friends with her anymore. Then I was like, okay, now I can dive in. You know, he's made it okay and he's made it official kind of. However, since then, it's like you're either on the side of the Internet of like, they are mean girls or you're on the side of the Internet that's like Ashley's MAGA and she like bought houses when there were fires. And of course they don't want to be friends with her. I'm going to give you a middle road. I'm going to give you the gray area, which I love. Okay. I think, and I said this on Instagram, that Ashley Tisdale wrote this. First of all, she started by writing this as a substack and I think she got some nice engagement on that sub stack. I think she got some people in her DMs or whatever being like, I feel you. I like got shunned out by moms and it's such a hard world. And your postpartum cardam and whatever. And it's difficult. And she was like, oh, my God, I'm feeling the love. I'm feeling the community. I'm feeling the sympathy. And I. I feel good about that. And then she got this offer to do a larger piece for the cut, and she was like, okay, more love, more sympathy. More people understanding me. More moms, which are, like, the most engaged audience on the planet, reaching out to me and whatever. She felt that, and then it blew up in her face. So on that note, I don't think she meant for it to blow up in her face. I thought she was looking for the sympathy, the love, the, like, it's okay, babe. Like, they suck. You're amazing. I don't think she meant to, like, expose people or have people, however, then you have the other side of, like, okay, but she unfollowed those two. So, like, you gotta put two and two together, honey. Right, Right. I think. Okay, this is. I'm getting. I'm getting to the point. Okay? Nothing about her article pointed to the fact that they were toxic. And we already know that. Toxic and like, narcissist. Those are overused buzzwords that are misused. Also, like, nothing in her article made it seem like any of these women she was talking about were toxic. Like, that's a very specific word that you can fudge beauty. Okay? But saying that I was hanging out with these girls and slowly it seemed like they didn't want to hang out with me anymore, and that was hurtful to me, is okay to say, but that doesn't make these girls toxic or mean. It makes it that they maybe didn't want to hang out with you and maybe you're not the same vibe or maybe you didn't click and they did, and that sucks to feel that way. And you can make a whole thing about, like, when you, you know, don't fit in or whatever. The. But nothing about the article was pointed to toxic. There was no real story there of, like, what they did to her, aside from kind of not mesh, you know, like, obviously they stayed friends. They're all still friends. And if you're not in the mix, it's like, yeah, they just were not that into you. It's like that movie. Okay. Because friendships are a lot like relationships. It could go. It's as easy as that. They were just not that into you. So that's what I think about that whole situation. And I am telling you, Mandy is the nicest person on the planet. And I have met Hillary, but Obviously, I'm a huge fan. And even just putting those things aside, I can just say, like, I've read the article on like a lot of people just reading the headline and seeing the picture of the moms and like assuming whatever. There is not really a story there that's pointing to toxicity. It's more like I wasn't invited anymore and my feelings were hurt. So that sucks. That sucks. It's a sucky feeling. I agree. It's a sucky feeling. It's kind of like when I write in the mom chat for my son's school and nobody answers. I'm like, are they okay? Like, I've just wrote a text. I'm like, is anybody doing this after school? It's like ignoring me. Like, I get it, Ashley. I get it. Anyway, today's guest, such a exciting guest for me. Like this person has been on my vision board. I'm doing that thing where like, you don't know who the guest is, but you know because you're in the title already. Like Chelsea Handler, man, Chelsea lately meant everything to me. It's still if I have like general meetings or, you know, if I think about like my North Star, it's like, that's what I would want. I would want Chelsea Lately show. It was everything to me. I watched it every single time it was on. It was a pinnacle of like bad on late night television. And I can't believe that show is like off the air. And it wasn't. Didn't keep going with her or then with somebody else. But anyway. And I also read her like first book ever, My Horizontal Life. I am just such a fan of her work and of her career. And she's such a badass. She's like 50, thriving, like living the life. You'll hear in this episode how confident she is in who she is in this, in the decision she makes. And it's admirable and it's inspiring and it's aspirational. So yeah, enjoy my conversation with Chelsea Handler. And don't you forget to rate and review this podcast because let me tell you, let me tell you what happens. You are listening to the pod you love. You like, hahaha. Tune in next week. I love Amanda, but you don't take to the, to the fucking rate and review. You know who does? Somebody that's calling me an industry plan. Okay? That's who's doing it. So you need to like, it's like it's so much easier for people to write negative things and positive things. So take your positivity Take it to the rating and the reviewing. Okay. I appreciate it. Subscribe, follow. I never say to do these things. I'm going to say it now. I have to remind you because you don't do it on your own anyway. Chelsea Handler. Enjoy. I feel so not blonde next to you, you know?