ERIN LICHY: RHONY'S CRAZY FINALE

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Not Skinny But Not Fat" – Episode Featuring Aaron Lishi on RHONY's Crazy Finale

Podcast Information:

• Title: Not Skinny But Not Fat
• Host: Amanda Hirsch
• Guest: Aaron Lishi
• Episode: ERIN LICHY: RHONY'S CRAZY FINALE
• Release Date: January 28, 2025

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1. Introduction to the Finale Drama

Amanda Hirsch opens the episode by delving into the intense drama surrounding the recent finale of "The Real Housewives of New York City" (RHONY). She highlights the controversy involving Blake Richardson and Justin Baldoni, particularly focusing on Justin's ten-minute video addressing Blake's accusations of sexual harassment during a slow-motion dance scene.

• Amanda (02:15): "Justin Baldoni released that 10-minute video that is supposedly negating Blake's accusation of sexual harassment... So imagine just how confusing that is."

Amanda expresses her confusion over the actors supposedly "acting in character" while discussing off-script content, raising questions about the authenticity of their interactions on screen.

2. Transition to Guest Introduction

Amanda transitions to introduce her guest, Aaron Lishi, a beloved member of RHONY and a personal friend. She sets the stage for an in-depth discussion about the season's finale, Aaron's experiences, and the underlying tensions among the cast members.

• Amanda (07:54): "Today's guest is a reality TV star that I love. She's a friend. Her name is Aaron Lishi, and she's unreal. Housewives of New York. You know her. You love her. I love her."

3. Personal Updates and Pregnancy Conversations

Early in the conversation, Amanda and Aaron exchange personal updates, particularly regarding Aaron's pregnancy. They discuss coping mechanisms, dietary habits during pregnancy, and the challenges of managing multiple pregnancies without significant lifestyle changes.

• Aaron (08:57): "I leaned in and I gained a ton of weight. Took me a year to lose it. Like, it was really hard for me. So this time I'm like, no, I'm not changing any aspect of my life..."

• Amanda (10:15): "I think having in the back of your mind, like, I think in the front of your mind while you're pregnant, you're like, it's okay... But the fact of the matter is the baby doesn't need those Oreos and bagels and cream cheese and pizza."

4. Deep Dive into RHONY Finale and Cast Dynamics

The core of the episode revolves around the tumultuous relationships and confrontations witnessed in the RHONY finale. Amanda and Aaron dissect specific incidents, including pranks orchestrated by Bryn Ross and the ensuing fallout with Christina Beckford and Uba Bridges.

• Aaron (15:32): "The roach prank was down, Aaron."

• Amanda (17:03): "The sh*t's during. Which is another thing that annoys me that is said about you..."

Aaron candidly shares her frustrations with Bryn's manipulative tactics, expressing feelings of betrayal and exhaustion from navigating the constant drama.

• Aaron (25:35): "How could we. How could any of us simple folk be, you know, onto Something like that. So it creates... It's a concern of trust..."

5. Analyzing Bryn's Actions and Their Impact

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on Bryn Ross's behavior, including her pranks and the allegations that arose from them. Aaron recounts specific instances where Bryn's actions led to misunderstandings and tension within the group.

• Aaron (27:02): "The Jenna not. Yeah, the Jenna Uber slash thing that your drama with Bryn started then, which... It's so complicated with that, because then we find out that it's a rental."

• Amanda (31:16): "Does she do it in real life or only when you're doing the show?"

Aaron emphasizes the blurred lines between real-life relationships and on-screen dynamics, questioning Bryn's authenticity and the genuine nature of her interactions.

6. Navigating Friendships Amidst Drama

Both Amanda and Aaron discuss the challenges of maintaining friendships amidst the high-stakes environment of reality TV. Aaron shares her struggles with setting boundaries and the emotional toll of constant drama.

• Aaron (41:29): "You're going to have to tell people. Cuz the minute people have a second kid in the city, they're like, we're out. And you're going to have four."

• Amanda (61:16): "Yeah. And you're also Uba's good friend. But in this instance, yeah, Bryn got you and a few of you riled up to be like, Uba..."

7. Coping with Public Accusations and Reconciliation Attempts

Aaron candidly discusses her efforts to reconcile with Bryn after witnessing the latter's false accusations against her. She details the emotional strain of being publicly misunderstood and the difficulty in rebuilding trust.

• Aaron (65:47): "She blocked me. So I didn't speak to her for months, until my father passed away, I hadn't spoken a word to her."

• Amanda (68:36): "Did she see your comment on that account? Did she say anything about it?"

• Aaron (71:48): "So it was like, they kept... I couldn't. It's exhausting. Like, leave me alone."

8. Reflections on Trust and Moving Forward

As the conversation draws to a close, both Amanda and Aaron reflect on the importance of trust, the challenges of navigating relationships in the reality TV sphere, and the personal growth they've experienced amidst the chaos.

• Aaron (73:06): "So, like, that the fact that she. She was the one who did it and she thinks that things were normal and okay is it makes things more confusing."

• Amanda (75:34): "And it seems like with everyone, like, the minute that Psy. And you said in your confessionals, like, that was the breaking point..."

9. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Amanda wraps up the episode by expressing her support for Aaron and summarizing the key takeaways from their discussion. They acknowledge the ongoing nature of RHONY's drama and the personal toll it takes on those involved.

• Amanda (77:35): "Did she see your. Your comment on that account? Did she say anything about it?"

• Aaron (78:07): "Love you. Thank you for for coming on anytime. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat."

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Notable Quotes:

• Amanda (02:15): "Justin Baldoni released that 10-minute video that is supposedly negating Blake's accusation of sexual harassment... So imagine just how confusing that is."

• Aaron (08:57): "I leaned in and I gained a ton of weight. Took me a year to lose it... So this time I'm like, no, I'm not changing any aspect of my life..."

• Aaron (25:35): "How could we. How could any of us simple folk be, you know, onto Something like that. So it creates... It's a concern of trust..."

• Amanda (31:16): "Does she do it in real life or only when you're doing the show?"

• Aaron (65:47): "She blocked me. So I didn't speak to her for months, until my father passed away, I hadn't spoken a word to her."

• Aaron (71:48): "So it was like, they kept... I couldn't. It's exhausting. Like, leave me alone."

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Conclusion

This episode of "Not Skinny But Not Fat" provides an unfiltered look into the behind-the-scenes drama of RHONY's latest season, particularly focusing on Aaron Lishi's experiences and perspectives. Through candid conversations, Amanda and Aaron navigate the complexities of reality TV friendships, personal challenges, and public misunderstandings, offering listeners an intimate glimpse into the realities of life in the spotlight.

Transcript

[Aaron Lishi]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hello. Happy Tuesday, everybody. How is everybody doing today? I actually wanted to ask you, which I never do this, and I know I, I really have an aversion to it, but I want to know because I have started doing these like, five minute intros because I used to just kind of welcome the guest and I started doing a little bit of intros, like a little bit of pop culture updates, a little bit about what's going on with me and introducing the guest properly. So I would love to hear your thoughts on it, if you noticed it and just getting a little bit insecure over here. Would love your input. You guys, listen, it's been cray cray that it ends with us. Drama has gotten just crazy. I mean, Justin Baldoni released that 10 minute video that is supposedly negating Blake's accusation of sexual harassment during that slow motion dancing scene where she says that he, you know, dragged his lips down her neck, said she smelled good. The video, which was so hard to watch, but I watched it four times of them, kind of small, talking out of character while acting in character. So imagine just how confusing that is. Like, they're acting in character because they're supposed to look in love and dance and blah, blah, blah. But they're talking out of character because they know that their, their conversation, like, is supposedly not being picked up or not going to be used in the film. So they're talking about, like, you know, just random stuff, but not really that random because she's trying to say, let's not kiss. Let's prolong this kind of in between kissing and not kissing. He actually didn't seem like he was really trying to kiss her, but she was very adamant, like about not kissing. So that does raise a red flag. Is she trying to, you know, is she trying to help the scene think, like, what would be hotter for the, for the viewers? Or is she really trying hard to not kiss this guy that now in retrospect, we know that she freaking hates? So wondering about that, he does drag his lip down her neck. But again, this is such a fine line, like, because they are acting in character. So, like, what is what? Who is who? You know what I mean? There was also a moment where he says that him and his wife stare into each other's eyes, not talking. She says all her and Ryan do is talk. He says, you guys are cute. She says, we're more than cute. People thought that was a little awkward. She said she felt it was, like, nosy because they were, like, rubbing noses. It is awkward. Like, really being actors is, like, awkward. Especially imagine you don't like the guy and he's breathing on you. I have such a breath problem, you guys. If anybody talks too close to me and they're breath, like, I can smell. Yesterday my son was like, Noah, like, let me eat up his breath. But he came out of school and I was like, I know you had garlic bread. I just know you had garlic bread. And the rest of the day, I just smelled his garlic breath. I texted his teacher being like, they had garlic bread today, right? Like, I still have pregnancy sense of smell. I could just smell what somebody ate anyway. If somebody was breathing on me, nevertheless, somebody that I didn't like, I would probably die. Like, would probably die. Like, it's so not for me. I can't. But it was just awkward. Blake says that during that scene, there was no intimacy coordinator. I don't know what Justin is going to say back to that because Blake is saying, you know, jokes on you for releasing the video. You're showing exactly what I was saying. It's damning. Every frame of it, she says, corroborates her complaint. Like him attempting to kiss her, kissing her forehead, rubbing his face and mouth against her neck, flicking her lip with his thumb, caressing her, telling her how good she smells and talking with her out of character. I would love to see, which I don't know. I didn't read the lawsuit. The description of that scene, like, does it say the couple is dancing, or does it say they're dancing, looking in love, almost making out like, I do want to see that. But it says that. Blake's team says none of the intimacy points were discussed or choreographed. Every moment was improvised by Mr. Beldoni. No intimacy coordinator present. So Blake leaning away from Justin in the scene was not acting, according to his lawyers, which that you can tell she really wants to stay away from him. Video shows Ms. Lively leading away and repeatedly asking for the characters to just talk. You see that. You see that she's uncomfortable. Any woman who hasn't been inappropriately touched in the workplace will recognize her discomfort. We really, truly do. So she's trying to deflect and create levity. That is true. This is such a hard situation, right? It's like, oh, my God. The thing that I really hope for Blake, that doesn't happen. I am worried about her is that if they go to court and she doesn't have a big smoking gun and his, like, evidence weighs more than, like, her accusations, and she has an Amber Heard situation happening, like, I just could not bear it. I just hope that, you know, I do want her to stand her ground. I do want her to, like, do what she has to do. But at the same time, like, I am a little scared for her because the public is scary, and the public opinion can really ruin somebody. I really kind of wish that all this didn't happen. I'm like, must, Must you have. Both of you. Anyway, moving on, moving on. Because today's guest is a reality TV star that I love. She's a friend. Her name is Aaron Lishi, and she's unreal. Housewives of New York. You know her. You love her. I love her. I think she's, you know, regardless of my personal relationship with her, I really think she's just, like, a cool New York City girl. She went to the same high school as me. She is down to earth. She's fun, she's light. She lets so many of the girls treat her like shit, which I don't get. I'm always telling her, like, why are you letting people be bad friends to you? I. I just think she's great on the show, and I think that she's always the voice of reason, and she's just like a normal girl. She's not like a caricature like a lot of these housewives end up being or looking like, in my opinion. Now, when we met and chatted about the entire season was before I saw the finale. So I had to hop back on the phone with her like I did with Lala after I watched the finale to get her reaction to that, to talk about that. Because that finale, you guys, I had goosebumps up and down my spine. It was insane. Nothing is ever going to be the same again. Everybody turned on Brynn. I did read a Rolling Stone article with Bryn where she says. And doubles down and says she did tell uba. So we're gonna get Aaron's thoughts about that. Rose is going to get her thoughts about. You know, we saw a comment that Aaron made saying because Bryn said they were like sisters, and she's like, no, we're not. So what is going on there? We're going to hear about everything, but also talk about the entire season where she's at. What's Abe up To, you know, what do they do with that money? You know, what does Abe have to say about his sexuality? Because he dropped some. Some bombs. So we're going to talk to Aaron from Roni. I love her. Enjoy this episode as always. If you love what you hear, then make sure to rate and review the podcast. It's super helpful and super cool of you and I appreciate you.

[Aaron Lishi]

Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Love you. Enjoy. My girl's here. Babe.

[Aaron Lishi]

Hi.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How are you?

[Aaron Lishi]

I'm here with someone else.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you cradle the bump?

[Aaron Lishi]

Sometimes, but I'm feeling so many kicks now. It's, like, fun.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. When you start feeling the kicks, it's nice. How many months now?

[Aaron Lishi]

Seven. Over seven.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's wild. Are you ready?

[Aaron Lishi]

I haven't really thought about it. Does that. Did that happen to you the second time? Like, this is my fourth. Like, I'm not really thinking about it. Little comment.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What did you do differently than with the four where you, like, fuck that. Ultrasound.

[Aaron Lishi]

So many different things.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like what?

[Aaron Lishi]

Really different. By the way, our doctor tried to prescribe me Ambien when I was. I was like, I think that's a little much. Like, I know I'm not sleeping, but Ambien.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And he said it was okay?

[Aaron Lishi]

No. Then the computer wouldn't let him process it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God.

[Aaron Lishi]

I'm like, asaf, I'm like, give me some guidance. No, I love him, but what I'm doing differently is not doing anything differently at all. Does that make sense in your life? I am working out the exact same way. I'm eating the exact same way. And that's the one thing that I did not do on my third pregnancy, I was like, I'm pregnant. Like, how I always did. Give me the Pinkberry. Give me the Oreos every night. Like, getting into every craving. I also thought my last pregnancy was going to be my last.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, so you leaned in.

[Aaron Lishi]

So I leaned in and I gained a ton of weight. Took me a year to lose it. Like, it was really hard for me. So this time I'm like, no, I'm not changing any aspect of my life, and I've been fine and I feel great, and I've only gained, like, a small amount of weight.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So, yeah, honestly, I'm. This sounds like, like, I'm for that. Like, I understand.

[Aaron Lishi]

That's my biggest tip. I've never experienced myself.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And if I will ever do it again, I'll do that. Because I look back and I'm like, the amount of bagels.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, what was I thinking?

[Amanda Hirsch]

What was I thinking?

[Aaron Lishi]

Bagel for breakfast. A pizza for lunch, for dinner.

[Amanda Hirsch]

In our minds that, like, we're allowed. Which obviously. We are.

[Aaron Lishi]

We are.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And obviously, like, the reason I ate bagels was because the thought of eating anything healthy made me sick.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yes. But it's also true that every pregnancy is different. That's a good point.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I think having in the back of your mind, like, I think in the front of your mind while you're pregnant, you're like, it's okay. Like, I'm pregnant. I'll even out it all, you know, doesn't really count. But, like, the fact of the matter is, it does count. The fact of the matter is the baby doesn't need those Oreos and bagels and cream cheese and pizza. And it's honestly probably better for the baby if you do eat healthier salad. Yeah, it's probably healthier for the baby. So whatever we're telling ourselves. The bowls of the nightcaps of cereal.

[Aaron Lishi]

In the middle of the night. I would wake up in the middle of the night and eat cere bowls. I still. You know what I do? That. That's my. That's what I still do. I wake up in the middle of the night, have a bowl of cereal.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I. But it's a healthy one. Which one?

[Aaron Lishi]

It's like. Like, well, this one I really hate, but, like, sometimes I'll have Ezekiel cereal.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, they have a cereal?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. Oh, it's really not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's not good.

[Aaron Lishi]

It's like card, but, you know, I'll put maple syrup in it and make it a little bit better. But I'll have like, like the Cascadia. Whatever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Farms can you. Farms is good.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, honey. Bunches of oats. Like, that'll satisfy me. I'll have a bowl and I'll go back to sleep, and I'm fine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It is kind of wild to wake up and eat.

[Aaron Lishi]

That's what I do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Now stop.

[Aaron Lishi]

Because I.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's very movie ish. Like, what are you doing in the kitchen? Like, yeah, that's getting a snack again.

[Aaron Lishi]

I'm having a bowl of cereal and I'm up for like an hour. And then I go back.

[Amanda Hirsch]

There's really nothing better than a bowl of cereal. I don't know how to explain it.

[Aaron Lishi]

When you're pregnant, especially. Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I do agree with you. I do think, like, that's a good tip. I think for people, like, that's my biggest lean in to the craving or whatever. But, like, you're gonna have to deal with it later. You know what I mean? And it's. It's I look back now and I'm like, I know with Noah, I was much more on top of it. But I also, like you said, I didn't have nausea with Noah, so I could eat salads and whatever. And with. With Lenny, I was, like, literally ill. But I think there's a balance, right? Like, just pay attention, because you want to keep eating healthy for your baby and for you, and so you're not, like, overwhelmed after, you know?

[Aaron Lishi]

You know, I. I think my experience last pregnancy of trying to lose the weight and not being able to for so long was so scarring to me. And, like, I was so uncomfortable in my own skin that it's just like, I'm not gonna do that to myself again. And I also know that I was doing things that I didn't need to do. Like, I. Every pregnancy is different. I think naturally, sometimes you gain more weight, you gain less weight. Like, it doesn't really even matter what you eat. It's just that every pregnancy is different. But with him, I was having a sleeve of Oreos in bed with milk every night. Like, I did not need that, you know? So I'm just. This time I'm like, I'll eat. I'm eating more, and I'm eating what I want, but I'm not doing the crazy things that I was doing before.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So tell me how you decided to be Hasidic and have a fork.

[Aaron Lishi]

I love that people call me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It cracks me up for people that don't know. And Hasidic person is a very Jewish person person that. I mean, I'm extremely religious and has, like, 20 babies.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. At the age of 20, which I basically did. I'm only 37. I'm having four kids.

[Amanda Hirsch]

When did you start having babies?

[Aaron Lishi]

I started when I was. I was 27. I think I turned 28. I mean, it for me, like, you know, because everyone in Israel has kids young, and they still live their lives and they party and they're like, yeah. Ambitious, a lot of them. So for me, like, that part of my family, it was so normal for me with my cousins, culturally. Culturally. But in New York, it's really, like, weird. People are like, how do you have four kids? Is she really 37? Yeah, she must be older. Like, no, I'm 37, and I just happen to have a lot of kids.

[Amanda Hirsch]

There is a thing online that's weird if you brought that up already. Like, some people think you're older, and I'm like, are they okay? Like, do I look. Look at her baby.

[Aaron Lishi]

It's me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You are gorgeous. I mean, and your skin is.

[Aaron Lishi]

I went to meet my guy and I was like, do I need to, like, do this?

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I don't understand what they want. I think. You know what I think it is. I think I try to think about it because I do obviously not agree. And I think they're losing their minds. And you're so naturally pretty, too. Like, on the show, you're like, without makeup. Like, I don't understand what they're saying.

[Aaron Lishi]

Maybe I look old and I don't realize it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Maybe it's like Housewives has an older vibe to it.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know what I mean?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's not a young show.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, no, it's not at all.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So I feel like that might add to it. I think it's the amount of kids and the fact that I have a lot of kids. Yeah. And that. And the amount of kids and. And you are very mature, too.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, well, I'm one of five and I'm the oldest.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

So I've always been. I mean, listen, like, I've done a lot of things already.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Aaron Lishi]

I started everything earlier in my life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Aaron Lishi]

It. I'm a city kid. Like, we just grow up quickly.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. You don't want to know when we first tried drugs.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, you don't want to know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You don't want to know because he'll be not saying, sending your kids to school, but let's remind people that we went to the same high school.

[Aaron Lishi]

If you didn't high school.

[Amanda Hirsch]

If you didn't listen to Aaron's first episode with me, which was when you first started.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Literally, it was at the very beginning. It would be interesting to see, like, how do you feel? Like a different woman?

[Aaron Lishi]

I feel much more comfortable talking about whatever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, like, definitely. You were good then, though, too. That's what I liked about you. Like, regardless of liking you as a person and you being a friend, like, I think you're just. I say it all the time when watching the show. And you know that even though you're my friend, I'll say what I think of this show.

[Aaron Lishi]

I know you've told me things and you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

About myself, about you. Yeah. But I'll also say about the show what I think and who's what, and.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. You know, you're very honest.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you get if people are saying, like, the show this season is annoying? The pranks are this, like, okay, I.

[Aaron Lishi]

Will die by the fact that that was Rebecca's prank. I just continued it because I wanted to show that Bryn was a shit Starter. Which she is. Like, I was still salty about the Uber thing, so I'll take that. But the roach prank, I thought was great.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The roach prank was down, Aaron.

[Aaron Lishi]

I thought it was amazing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You did? I did. Oh, my God. They were, like, throwing up. It was like Kardashians when they used to do pranks all the time.

[Aaron Lishi]

People like to prank.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, what other prank? There was a prank last season, too.

[Aaron Lishi]

No, I just took Uba's phone that she left in a car.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Hashtag regret.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, I won't be doing that, that's for sure.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, roach. And then. Okay, Rebecca.

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, and then I think Bryn took the suitcases for Jessa. I didn't even know why she did that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. So there were maybe too many. Brynn suit.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, but that's not what it was. I think this is my opinion as a viewer of the show. Right. Like, not involved in the show. I think the issue is that people are just afraid to fully let out what they think and what they believe and, like, show the dark side of.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Themselves on the show.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you're saying it can't. It's. It'll only get really good when people really, like. Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, I. I feel like, so many times, I don't know, like, I'd get a little tipsy and a little wild with, like, Bryn or with Psy, and, like, then we'd really, like, loosen up and it's fun.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

And I just wish there was more of that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

You know? I don't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. I mean, take some cues from the OGs.

[Aaron Lishi]

I mean, that's. I'm down, you know, But I just. I feel like we all need to, like, loosen up a little bit more.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

That's what I think. And not give a.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And do people give a. A lot on the show?

[Aaron Lishi]

I think some people do. I think people are reserved, and they don't want to say.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Let's just. Let's just take a moment. The shit's during. Which is another thing that annoys me that is said about you, because I'll say that, like, Bryn starts. Which is so. I mean, you can't disagree with that. She literally will be like, blah, blah, blah. She'll, like, plant the seed. And then people will be like. And Aaron's like that, too. And I'm like, I don't know what they're talking about. Like, the prank was dumb.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. And it was a prank. But the. But that's, like, not a real thing. It's not like you created real drama, because it's A big thing.

[Aaron Lishi]

Right? Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But Bryn will literally. Have you ever told Brandon anything that she didn't repeat? Like, honestly, anything?

[Aaron Lishi]

And that's why I brought that thing to her, because I'm like, let's see how she'll spin this, what she'll do. She spun it into some crazy story that, like, I couldn't even keep up with, where it's like, she believed that she was pregnant, but she didn't believe that she slept with someone else. But I. Apparently she was in on the. Like, none of it made any sense, and I couldn't even follow it anymore.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's.

[Aaron Lishi]

And that's what she does.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's what I thought when you guys went to the brunch at the park. I feel like you, at some point give up. You're like, okay. That's what I think happens with you is, like. You're like. You don't even keep defending yourself, and you get shit. And you're just like. I feel like you weren't even following anymore.

[Aaron Lishi]

Why. Why were they mad at me? Why weren't they upset with her when we were also at dodgeball? And she could have been like, oh, I knew about it. She was like, what? That's lame. Like, she was sitting there at dodgeball, upset that we had pranked everybody. So I did. I was like, oh, maybe she believed all of it. Like, I didn't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why didn't Rebecca even want to do it, though?

[Aaron Lishi]

She wanted to see who the leaky pigeon is.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God.

[Aaron Lishi]

I don't know. She and I, like, don't even speak anymore.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You don't like it?

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, you'll see at the reunion.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, really? With her, out of all people.

[Aaron Lishi]

Can you believe. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You brought her to the show. Like, technically. Yeah, and I did, basically. Oh, by the way, you guys, she's a friend of. Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

She's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

For those who.

[Aaron Lishi]

She doesn't live here.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, she doesn't?

[Aaron Lishi]

Not fully.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, no.

[Aaron Lishi]

Her kids go to school, I think, in Florida.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh.

[Aaron Lishi]

In Tampa.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you think she would bring more to the show?

[Aaron Lishi]

I didn't even think. Not. Not really.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Aaron Lishi]

But I didn't even think that she, like, that wasn't my issue with her. I don't care what she brings to the show, you know, as a friend of. Anyway. But my issue with her was just that. You'll see. I guess I shouldn't say.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, well, I guess you can't ruin it.

[Aaron Lishi]

You can't ruin it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We'll be right back after the break. As I've been saying, you guys this winter has been cray cray in the.

[Aaron Lishi]

Heh.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Aaron Lishi]

This. It's complicated with her because you said that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And literally, by the way, Bryn, the only thing I'll agree with Brynn, Bryn told you at the dinner. Like, she'll tell you, and you're like, I don't see it. Like, you. You sound a little naive.

[Aaron Lishi]

Do I?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, yes, because we're seeing, like, her, like, flip on you. And I don't call you the leaky pigeon. And.

[Aaron Lishi]

But then she'll call me and apologize and she is a really good friend in other ways. Like, she truly is. She has been there for me. So it's. It's hard. It's hard.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

You know, and, like, I am. I'm close with her. I'm very close with Sai.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Now you're. You told that. You.

[Aaron Lishi]

You said that she's done some things to me that really bothered me, which she clears up the reunion, which I.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So now you're closest with Sigh and Uber.

[Aaron Lishi]

I've. Honestly, I've always been close with Sigh.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. I know. No one. Like, I don't know why we, like, didn't film together last season.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. Which was weird.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But you are close.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And Uber. Still, you didn't turn. Like, even after watching. You don't think I was upset with.

[Aaron Lishi]

Her after the reunion? I was. And she called me and she was like, I knew you were upset with me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And if she does it again next season, like, when is the night?

[Aaron Lishi]

I think it's just, like, boundaries. Like, I'll start after a while. Like, I start to put up some walls, you know, like, what can I do? I would rather not. But, like, you know, it's gonna eventually just start happening naturally.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You and Bryn look like you could have been such good friends. Like, you have such a good vibe when she came to you in that episode and she was worried when you left.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. But then when I watch it, it's like, then she. She starts talking shit again. Like, why are you doing that? When I'm crying about my parents. The most vulnerable moment I had probably all season.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, I was a mess. I didn't want to talk about uba.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, watching it back. And I remember feeling like that when I was in the room. And that's the thing. Like, I. This is the thing about Bryn. I don't think she's a bad person. I really don't. I. There were times where I was like, is she, like, I don't know, but I don't think she's a bad person. But she does things that are so wacky and, like, so, like, shocking that I'm like, what is with you?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Does she do it in real life or only when you're doing the show?

[Aaron Lishi]

No, in real life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, okay. Because let's clarify. The Uber thing, which that is a little bit funny. The Jenna not. Yeah, the Jenna Uber slash thing that your drama with Bryn started then, which. I remember meeting you that summer, and you had told me the story, and I thought it was so funny. Never did I think it would make it to the show.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, of course.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And this is how, you know, you guys, the show is real life. It's real. Nothing's fake here. But when it came on the show, I was like, that's so funny. And when he told it to me, it was, like, funny. But then the way it transpired, which, by the way, got even more complicated with the Bentley, because then we find out that it's a rental.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you know that?

[Aaron Lishi]

I did. I thought that was very funny.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Could we have known that from the beginning? Was it kind of like a production thing that they put.

[Aaron Lishi]

I don't know what she was doing with that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That was weird with the Bentley.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. Cause she was like, I have a new car. I have a new car.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But that whole drama.

[Aaron Lishi]

But she said it right away. She was like, no, it's not my car.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What do you mean? Right away? Like, she told us.

[Aaron Lishi]

And I think she would have said it on camera. I just think it, like, didn't come up. Like, she didn't really care. She was like, they gave me a car. I'll drive it to the Hamptons. You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, Jenna doesn't. I don't think Jenna cares to pretend that she.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes. She wasn't pretending.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. Like, she doesn't give a shit.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. The way that it was edited and stuff made it seem that way, is what I'm saying. But that whole drama with that happened, like we said, off camera. So you're not filming hard.

[Aaron Lishi]

It is hard with, like, in show world when that happens, because then you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Bring it into the season.

[Aaron Lishi]

I wasn't speaking to her.

[Amanda Hirsch]

To. To Brin.

[Aaron Lishi]

I hadn't spoken to her. I was like, this girl is a crazy person. Am I allowed to curse?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

I was like, she is a terrible per. I was like, I'm not. No, I'm done. I was so done with her because.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Of the Uber thing. Yeah, because she, like, you tell a story. You're like, oh, Jenna got stuck.

[Aaron Lishi]

I was saying.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I came. And she goes to Jenna, this is happening again, you guys. They're not filming. She goes to Jenna and says, aaron.

[Aaron Lishi]

Said about you and saying that you don't have money and you have money problem, and da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Right before I show up with my friend Calder from high school. And I like, she's like, please pack me Shabbat food. Pack her this huge meal. She's eating it in my face, but being, like, kind of weird, But I'm like, whatever. Like, she's weird. Let's move on. And I, like, ignored it, but I felt this weird energy. And then I'm about to leave, and Jenna's like, stay back. I'm like, okay. So I stay back. And she's like, I'm so hurt. You're one of my closest friends, and you're telling people that I'm having money issues because I. My car broke down. I'm like, what? I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I was so caught off guard.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God.

[Aaron Lishi]

And it was so. It felt so malicious and, like, evil. I'm like, what? Because I think what. This is my take on it. I think she saw the photo of me and Jenna. It got, like. It kind of went viral. We started having. I don't know if you even know this, but we had, like, all these, like, subsets of fans that would, like, reach out and put these montages on me and Jenna together. Like, it was really cute. They loved our friendship. Like, it was something came from it, and people liked us on the show together. And I think she got jealous. And she was like, how am I going to come in here and just rip apart this friendship? And that's what felt to me, like it was evil.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, yeah, that's not something that you know in real life. Like, your friends doing shit like that.

[Aaron Lishi]

No one would tell her things that I want her to see if she's going to lie about. That's the only thing I told her.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you don't. You don't confide in her?

[Aaron Lishi]

No, I don't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really.

[Aaron Lishi]

Honestly, like, our friendship changed anyone, and I can be friends with anyone, but am I gonna tell them, like, things that are actually bothering me? No, but there are other girls on the show that I'll confide in.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Doesn't it suck? Don't you want to shake her and be like, bryn, we could be. Like, it would be so fun if you just wouldn't of course.

[Aaron Lishi]

What she did at the finale, like, the crazy thing is that as you watch the season unfold, not that I think she was right in the fight with uba. Right. Like, I don't think she was right. She was clearly trying to get Uber riled up. It was obvious.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You said it so perfectly in your confessional. Bryn does and does and does because she knows UBA will give her a reaction. Then UBA does. Yeah, yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

And then she's like, oh, my God.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Aaron Lishi]

How could she act like that?

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's like you're. You're.

[Aaron Lishi]

She's sitting there not feeling well.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're poking. Leave her alone. Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

You know, I thought Uber was hysterical that night.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She was funny.

[Aaron Lishi]

Literally, in. In actuality, there were tears coming out of my. I was crying. She was like, why are you here? She was like, why are you here? She kept doing that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She. She does get so funny.

[Aaron Lishi]

Funny. She actually is really funny.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And with Jenna's vagina hair. Like, did you guys really see a photo of her pubes? What was the photo? Was she wearing underwear?

[Aaron Lishi]

It was a sheet. I thought it was a silk skirt. I was like, wow, this is so chic. But Ty was like, no, that was a sheet. She was in bed. So there was, like, a sheet over her and she had, like, the hair coming out. And it was. When I tell you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Or in the bottom, like.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like in between her legs.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why would she show you that?

[Aaron Lishi]

I don't know, but it was. It was like this.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It was Jenna. You know what? Jenna is actually more of a vibe this season. Oh, she's the best.

[Aaron Lishi]

I think she's the best.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Best, like, first season. I know everyone was, like, salivating just at the thought of her.

[Aaron Lishi]

Jenna.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right. But I. But I personally think that this season she's being really funny. Looser, like you said.

[Aaron Lishi]

I think she'll keep. I think she's having fun with it. I think she'll have fun. She has fun with it. She's having more fun with us, too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But at the same time, like, we were talking about, you know, UBA kind of not being a great friend to you. Brin. Turning. But we need. I mean, all the fucking housewives have always been like, she said that. She said, like, that's. We need that. We can't have all of you being, like, kumbayani perfect all the time.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, I know. It is frustrating because it's like, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Yeah. Like, these. Like, a lot of the followers will be like, how could she do this? Like, how could they sit and talk about Jessel? Which I have to say, Bryn took it to a level that was too far.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, it was too far. It was stupid. Like, I was at that birthday party. I wouldn't have thought twice about it. It was a little silly, but it wasn't a huge deal.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But also, you're different. Like, you'll wear jeans and a T shirt to that. And she likes it. But the thing I think with Jetsel is, like, she really does seem kind of harmless.

[Aaron Lishi]

She is harmless. And, like, this is my issue with her. My only issue with her. And I. I do really like her. And we talk and we're good. My issue with her is she's so affected, in my opinion, by society and by her image and by who shows up to what party and who she rubs shoulders with. As she says, like, she's very affected. And me being like a real person that doesn't give a shit about that stuff, it just. It's just off putting to me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, it's not your vibe.

[Aaron Lishi]

It's not my vibe.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But, like, that's her vibe.

[Aaron Lishi]

And, like, I don't care.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. So. But. But that's the only thing. And then what I think bothers the girls on the show is that sometimes she's inauthentic. Like, you did move to New York for the show. Like, you did do that and we all know it. And it's like, you don't say it, but it would be so cool if she was just like, yeah, whatever. So I saw this opportunity and I moved to New York for the show. Like, who cares? You know, you don't have to put this facade on.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right. Well, Bryn does say. Bryn says stuff and gets away. She said she got a whole new face.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And that she said about her, obviously it's not.

[Aaron Lishi]

She did her teeth and she got some filler. Like, leave her alone, man. She lost weight, you know? Like, that was mean. I thought that was mean.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

And then the stuff she said about her husband. You'll see this at the reunion. But, like, I hope that was mean.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Jessel, because people gave Rebecca for not coming out. Like, not combating with Brand enough. I think Jess all.

[Aaron Lishi]

Never. Now she'll turn to me and be.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, you shut was crazy.

[Aaron Lishi]

I was like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Reminded me of like a family. Like, you know, family dynamics when, like, someone.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Gets mad more at that sister.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I'm like, that was such a prime. Like, she's literally at that dinner in Puerto Rico hacking. You shut the fuck up, Aaron. And that was your face. You're like, what did I do?

[Aaron Lishi]

Why? And the truth is, she did tell me. She was really upset with her. We were on the plane, and she.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's scared of her.

[Aaron Lishi]

She's scared of her now. I think she, at the reunion, clears a lot up, which is nice to see, but she is definitely scared of her and not of me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you feel it all bad? Because, like, the fans, I feel like, are turning on Bren. Like, they are saying that she's self producing, and, like, obviously production slipped that part in. They could have not. Maybe they thought she. They would. Maybe she thought they wouldn't, but. But they kept. They kept it in. Like, when she was, like, telling Rebecca.

[Aaron Lishi]

She would tell us, like, okay, what do we. You know, like, yeah, she would try to do? And we were like, no, we're not doing that. Like, we're not doing that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Also, you. You don't. You're not a producer.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, that's. I feel like if an OG can give you any tips and OG would say, like, don't do that. You know what I mean?

[Aaron Lishi]

It was hard to navigate with someone who did that a lot.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Hopefully she'll learn from it.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. I mean, she's really getting it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

And she.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Have you talked to her about it or. No. About this, like, been, like, how are you doing with the backlash?

[Aaron Lishi]

No, no.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, I'm sure they're still, like, she was team brands, you know?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I really, like. She came on my podcast last season, and I really liked her. She's fun, and I thought she was so fun. I don't think she needed to change a thing. I don't know why she got in her own head that she needed to kind of hype it up, but it made a little splashy this season.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Said a lot of things. Are you. You're mad. You got no SMD about the mushrooms thing?

[Aaron Lishi]

Weirdly, I wasn't actually mad about that. I was mad at him, just generally.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Aaron Lishi]

I was just. He was just on my last nerve. And we were sitting there and I.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Was like, oh, you wait. Were you really upset with him because of the crypto thing?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. I mean, obviously it was bigger than that. Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, I wasn't gonna put him on full blast, but there were, like, financial decisions, basically that. Without telling me, because he wanted to protect me. Like, I'm some little innocent baby that doesn't know about anything. But I do get it and I do understand it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And when he said that you were A jet setter. And he needed to keep up with your jet setting life.

[Aaron Lishi]

I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What did you think of that? Is that true?

[Aaron Lishi]

I was partying with crazy people in high school. Oh, yeah. I was at Butter every Monday. I was at home every weekend. I was at stereo. I like, hanging out with. I was flying private.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, really?

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, yeah. Not in. In. It started in high school and it continued throughout college and after.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Where did you go to college?

[Aaron Lishi]

I went to Albany. It wasn't the college people. It was, like, people I knew from New York. He's starting his law career. He's doing great. He has an amazing job. But, like, he's not flying me private to ultra.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So do you think he really does, though, get, like, nervous, keep up with you?

[Aaron Lishi]

Not anymore. But I think what happened was, like, we had this business together. He was on a great track, like, working at Kazowitz.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are we talking about the bags?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. But then we had this business that, like, he was working on with me. And it took away from, like, him really focusing. Then he ended up leaving, and we were doing it full time. We got into debt. Like the classic American horrible story where, like, a business fails and you lose everything. And there were just other. There were just extra things that he still was managing that was, like, his department that he hadn't fully. Like, in financials, we have, like, departments that we take care. That he just hadn't cleared up. And he just kept rolling it over.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But Abe made some comments. He made, like, a sexually fluid comment or something. He was like, I almost went that way.

[Aaron Lishi]

He's not sexually fluid, but he does. He has told the story before where in college, he. There was a guy that was, like, obsessed with him, and he was like, I don't know, like, could I be into this? And then ultimately, when the guy was like, let's meet up. He was like, I can't do it. I'm not gay. But I actually am happy that he said that because, I mean, I was like, why do you have to say everything?

[Amanda Hirsch]

But, yeah, but I volunteer information, like, constantly.

[Aaron Lishi]

But I also, like, I respect it because the truth is, it's what happened. And he, you know, ultimately he decided he wasn't. You know, he didn't want to do that. But, like, the thought crosses people's minds, I think. And especially in college and when he was, like, really a hippie.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, he was.

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Where did he go?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. Wisconsin.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

He was a music guy. Madison.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Madison. He lived there for two years after.

[Aaron Lishi]

He loved it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. I had. It's so funny looking back. Like, when I applied to schools, it was just based on what I thought sounded cool. It's just so funny. This is how dumb I am. I'm like, what's.

[Aaron Lishi]

God, where'd you go?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Ithaca.

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, right, right. With Nina and Mike.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

By the way, she means Mike Lohan. That was our claim to fame.

[Aaron Lishi]

You guys, he's like, Mike Lohan.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, calm down, Ultra.

[Aaron Lishi]

No, I was like, abe, you don't have to say everything that has happened in your history on national television. It's okay to keep some things to yourself. But he was like, aaron, who? Who the fudge cares?

[Amanda Hirsch]

He doesn't care.

[Aaron Lishi]

I'm married to you. I love you. I'm obviously attracted to you. You keep getting pregnant. Like, you know, but. Yeah, but this is.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We didn't finish the pregnancy thing, so. Was this a decision? Like the fourth baby a decision?

[Aaron Lishi]

I mean, we went to Aspen and had way too much fun. I'll be honest. We had a recommendation for this babysitter. You know how hard it is to get like a great vacation babysitter.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Aaron Lishi]

I had this recommendation. Amanda. My kids were obsessed with her. They were like, you should go out tonight. We were there for a while. We were there six nights. They were like, go out tonight. Like, we love Lizzie. We want her to come. Dah, dah, dah. They kept going on and on. We were like, what is a. They're like, what is she doing with them? She ordered them like ice cream and cake all night. But they had so much fun with her. So we were just out every night having cocktails and having fun coming home. We had separate rooms and we like with the kids, they had their own room.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why was.

[Aaron Lishi]

They were connecting. But they had their own.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, that's nice.

[Aaron Lishi]

And we had our own.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How are you going to make four kids work in the city? You're going to have to tell people. Cuz the minute people have a second kid in the city, they're like, we're out. And you're going to have four.

[Aaron Lishi]

I know. Well, I grew up five in the city. This is just common practice for me. True.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know, have you secretly wanted a family like your own?

[Aaron Lishi]

I mean, I. I definitely always wanted a big family, but five? That's too much.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're gonna be six souls.

[Aaron Lishi]

Six in the future. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Six.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you gonna stay at this apartment?

[Aaron Lishi]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Can you. You're gonna move?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because of the baby?

[Aaron Lishi]

Because of that. And also, like, I. It's beautiful apartment. So if anybody wants it, please let me Know, but I don't care as much about, you know, being in a doorman building and having, like, a melee and, I mean, I like to renovate myself. Like, a nice. Nice appliance. Like, I'd rather have space. I'd love to be in a pre war.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The brand. Okay. I thought it was, like, a layout of, like, real third talk.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, I would rather be in a pre war or a townhouse that I, like, fix up myself.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, sure.

[Aaron Lishi]

And have.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, let me just. She rather. She doesn't need melee. I'm gonna let you sit here. Yes. She doesn't need a melee, but a townhouse that she could just fix up.

[Aaron Lishi]

That sounded really.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, because you know what I love? You know that apartment that we were just at the Christmas party with? Selena Gomez. Okay, sorry.

[Aaron Lishi]

We were at a Christmas party with.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, Hanukkah party. Why do I keep saying Christmas?

[Aaron Lishi]

It was Christmas.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. So that, for example, that apartment is sick, but it's like a $13 million home. You would never know. You walk into this building. Amy Schumer's there.

[Aaron Lishi]

That's exactly my.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's a cool vibe.

[Aaron Lishi]

We walked in, and my mom. I brought my mom, and she was like, erin, this is perfect for you. This is what you need. I'm like, do you want to give me some money?

[Amanda Hirsch]

And that's the thing. That's what I think is cool about New York. Like, not necessarily walking into the building that, like, looks fabulous, and we don't.

[Aaron Lishi]

Honestly, Abe and I are like, the type that I'd be fine without a doorman if they're just like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Packages are hard, though.

[Aaron Lishi]

I don't care. I don't care. I always have someone home. I have a million kids. Like, there's always somebody there, you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you have to move.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. We're going to move. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you? Okay.

[Aaron Lishi]

We're still working on it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. You have a little bit of time.

[Aaron Lishi]

A little bit of time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you share a gender?

[Aaron Lishi]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're waiting till you give birth?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really? Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

To share it publicly?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Oh. How'd you make that decision?

[Aaron Lishi]

I don't know. We were just kind of like, everyone doesn't need to know everything, Abe.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you scared Abe's gonna, like, tell people?

[Aaron Lishi]

He has a big mouth. He told his whole family I was pregnant before. I was, like, okay with it. But he was really.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He was excited.

[Aaron Lishi]

He was excited. And my dad had just passed, and it was, like, a really hard, sad time, or he was getting really sick, and he was. He was like a second Father to Abe. So Abe lost his dad a few years ago, so it was actually very hard on him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How are you with that?

[Aaron Lishi]

Let's not even talk about it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It was. You filmed during all that too?

[Aaron Lishi]

Well, before. Way before. I didn't know he was gonna.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, but during, when you're sick, when you're both here and your mom is doing well.

[Aaron Lishi]

My mom's doing great. My mom's doing great.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm so happy to hear that.

[Aaron Lishi]

It just, like, was. I actually was watching Southern Charm the other day.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The new season.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yes. And like, just cat. I haven't. Hadn't watched it. And I was like, let me catch up on this and. Cause Madison had said to me, she DMed me and said, you know, like, my dad also passed.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Aaron Lishi]

And then I saw that her husband was going through something.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Aaron Lishi]

And I was like, damn. We had, like, similar years. It's. When two people in your life have cancer, it is the most. I just got chills. Like, it's. It's something I can't really explain. It just like takes over everything and it's like, almost physical. It's like not even emotional anymore. It's just so. It's terrifying. So it. It gave me a little bit of solace to see that. Like someone else in this world.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Like, did you feel, like, supported by the Bravo community during that time?

[Aaron Lishi]

Very much. Very, very much. Very, very much.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I know you don't want to talk about it, so we won't. I'll just say that, like, you know how I know that I am you and I know how amazing what a dad you had.

[Aaron Lishi]

I know it's hard.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I love you.

[Aaron Lishi]

Love you too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Aaron Lishi]

Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, wait, before that, I really have to ask you. And I wrote this for myself because when Bryn was going to take a shot off you and she wanted to take a shot off your belly button and then she was like, ew. And you were like, I cleaned it yesterday. You did?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What do you mean?

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, I like I go in.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, I do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, I need to know if this is a thing.

[Aaron Lishi]

I'm psychotic. Clean freak.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, so often you clean the inside of your belly button?

[Aaron Lishi]

I do. It's much easier now. Look, my belly button's like coming out.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is it out?

[Aaron Lishi]

It's never happened to me before.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, really?

[Aaron Lishi]

It's like coming out?

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's because you stayed so skinny in this pregnancy. I feel like it happens to really skinny people.

[Aaron Lishi]

Really? That's a thing?

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's what I think. Okay, I want to do this game with you.

[Aaron Lishi]

Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Ready? Bravo labs are of all different ages and sometimes we're shocked to find out how old they are. Like they find out Kyle Cook is 42.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like he's older than me. Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So that's what I want to play.

[Aaron Lishi]

Can I tell you that this summer I have to find a name for it? If you have a good name for it, tell me what? I am going to be raging this summer. You've said this is my fourth pregnancy. I'm fudgeing over this. I'm going to be partying. You're going to see me in the Hamptons. Like I don't. I might.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're joining. She's on Summer House.

[Aaron Lishi]

I'm. I'm going to be a hot mess. I don't care. Baby will be fine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You'll be fine.

[Aaron Lishi]

The baby will be perfectly fine. I'm going to be drinking Miss Glue and we're hosting a ton of parties. I'm going out every night. Like I'm going to be my 37 year old self. Like I thought.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know, I didn't teach taste mescalum yet.

[Aaron Lishi]

What? I sent you a bottle.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, you didn't.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yes. And Multi Scent bottle.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, Multi did send a bottle. But you didn't taste it. I did. I need to taste it.

[Aaron Lishi]

So good.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's just like I'm not a drinker at Homer. Oh, but they have it places, right? You order it.

[Aaron Lishi]

It's everywhere now.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's everywhere.

[Aaron Lishi]

Fresh, direct. You can order on Fresh.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Aaron Lishi]

It's at like most bars and restaurants like that you would go to.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, that's so fun. It's doing really well.

[Aaron Lishi]

It is. Knock on wood.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And that Abe is in with it. And you work together on it.

[Aaron Lishi]

He's the fundraiser. I don't. I don't know how he does it. He's really. Yeah, he raised like. We're on our second round now. We have amazing people involved in the brand. A lot of ex Casamigos people work with us.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's amazing.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's so cool. It's like so happy for you.

[Aaron Lishi]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you genuinely love it. Bryn making fun of you was kind of funny too.

[Aaron Lishi]

Which part? The message or.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, see, she's funny, but that you don't care. Like that I don't care.

[Aaron Lishi]

Keep talking about my brand. Great. Keep going.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That was funny when she was like, I love Ms. Galum. Do you have Ms. Gala?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, we're gonna play. Who do you think is older or younger than you?

[Aaron Lishi]

Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Aaron's 37.

[Aaron Lishi]

37, right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Amanda Petula.

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, younger.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Okay, guess her age.

[Aaron Lishi]

35.

[Amanda Hirsch]

33.

[Aaron Lishi]

Okay. Oh, she's much younger than him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right. Well, I guess that is almost 10 years.

[Aaron Lishi]

I didn't realize that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, because he's so, like, dumb. Because he's like. Acts like a 25 year old.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, he does.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He does look great. Also. I mean, it is annoying that he just, like, is getting better. He does.

[Aaron Lishi]

And they're. They're cute. Yeah, I think they're cute.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Support.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Shep.

[Aaron Lishi]

Older.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How old do you think he is?

[Aaron Lishi]

43.

[Amanda Hirsch]

44.

[Aaron Lishi]

Okay. Wow. Damn.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Rachel Futa.

[Aaron Lishi]

Older.

[Amanda Hirsch]

33.

[Aaron Lishi]

What? Oh, my God. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to have that reaction.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Bronwyn.

[Aaron Lishi]

Older.

[Amanda Hirsch]

39.

[Aaron Lishi]

Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Katie Maloney.

[Aaron Lishi]

Older.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's your age.

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, I could have said younger too. Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

37.

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, nice. She looks good.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Jax Taylor.

[Aaron Lishi]

Older.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How old do you think he is?

[Aaron Lishi]

44.

[Amanda Hirsch]

45.

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, wow. Yeah, he looks good.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Sheena Shay.

[Aaron Lishi]

I don't know. I feel like she's like my age.

[Amanda Hirsch]

39.

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, she's older. Oh, wow.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Liam McSweeney.

[Aaron Lishi]

She's dating Chico from high school, which is so weird.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Who's Chico?

[Aaron Lishi]

My friend from high school. It's the weirdest thing ever. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you. You don't seem into it.

[Aaron Lishi]

I just think it's so weird.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It is kind of weird. Chico. Is he Jewish?

[Aaron Lishi]

Leah. Older.

[Amanda Hirsch]

42. Yeah. Okay, now, Carl Radke.

[Aaron Lishi]

I feel like he's like, old.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Does that mean 39?

[Aaron Lishi]

Oh, he's not old.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. It's so different. Bravo. People just are all over the place.

[Aaron Lishi]

I just don't know. I can't guess.

[Amanda Hirsch]

When's your birthday?

[Aaron Lishi]

July 1st.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you're gonna be 38, babe. That's gonna go wild before you're gonna be 38 with four.

[Aaron Lishi]

Then I'm gonna be done, and everyone's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Gonna be having tubes or make a.

[Aaron Lishi]

I talked daily about getting a vasectomy, and he's like, I'm not getting. Like, shut the fuck up. I've had I'm four pregnancies. Go get neutered.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Put your foot down and say you're not gonna have sex with him if he doesn't.

[Aaron Lishi]

I should do that?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, what the fuck?

[Aaron Lishi]

He's like, no.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He's like, so wear condoms, Abe.

[Aaron Lishi]

We were talking about this last night at a wedding with my two really good friends. Big, big D. Oh, my God.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait. Do you regret. You regretted that a little bit.

[Aaron Lishi]

I don't know. He was like. I called him later and I was like. I don't know how it happened.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He's like, like, what do you mean, how. Hi, guys. Want to see something?

[Aaron Lishi]

No, it wasn't like that. She was challenging his dick size.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why did she do that? I forgot. Remind me.

[Aaron Lishi]

Because I was like, do you have some clothes for men?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh.

[Aaron Lishi]

And I was like, I think he's a large. And she was like, there's nothing large about him. So what am I supposed to do? Oh, I had to clear it up.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What did. So was he upset? Meanwhile, you're telling him to not share everything and look at you.

[Aaron Lishi]

That's what he says. He's like, you can't say it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That is know that my husband would probably. I'd probably not be alive.

[Aaron Lishi]

Really?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. If I showed his penis to people.

[Aaron Lishi]

You know what really bothers me?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, how would you feel?

[Aaron Lishi]

But, yeah, you have to.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You can't make that comparison.

[Aaron Lishi]

You can't, because showing a vagina is.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Just different than showing a dick your tits.

[Aaron Lishi]

I wouldn't be so. Nipples you can't show, but, like, okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

If you showed your censored boobs, you'd be.

[Aaron Lishi]

Okay, listen, listen. You can't compare guys and girls different. I'm sorry. There's double standard. There just is.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Maybe he's proud of his dicks, so he maybe didn't mind.

[Aaron Lishi]

And it was just like, I showed the camera. I showed Jenna and Bryn.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, he showed Jenna, which I guess doesn't count because she's gay.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then you show happy, and she was into it.

[Aaron Lishi]

She was like, let's do a calendar. Let's make him a sexy calendar.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I can't believe he showed Bryn. She doesn't deserve it.

[Aaron Lishi]

I. Well, I didn't know how bad things would get until.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So he wasn't actually upset.

[Aaron Lishi]

He was a little like, I mean, don't show my dick around.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But it was funny then when. I mean, not funny, but when Uba seemed to be upset about it and you're like, okay, let's not make this a thing. You just cut it at the.

[Aaron Lishi]

It's like exhausting.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, leave me alone. Let me do me. Like, let me do what I do. And it could. Okay. It could bother you a little. You don't have to do it. Nobody has to see Oliver's dick. We're good, you know? Yeah, I'm sure. It's big, though.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love you and keep doing. You always like being who you are.

[Aaron Lishi]

With all the haters.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, without. Not even that. With like the. Be who you are. Like, that's. That works, you know, and that will shine through always.

[Aaron Lishi]

Thank you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Love you.

[Aaron Lishi]

Love you too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, you guys, we're checking in with Aaron because we recorded a while ago. Not that long ago, a couple weeks ago. I didn't think the finale would be this fucking crazy. Here we are. The finale.

[Aaron Lishi]

I watched it and full body chills. Felt like I was reliving it even though I had already lived it. It was. It was like a post traumatic feeling. I can't even explain it. I felt out of body, I think, being there too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's sad to say, but this was like a good episode. You know what I mean? Like, this was.

[Aaron Lishi]

It was riveting. It's like a true crime documentary. The thing that gets complicated in this group, and I think this is what went on a lot of the season, was that Bryn is very good at expressing the points that she's upset about. And then you kind of get hooked on those points because they sound really intense. Like, you know. And then Uba's like, well, I was being in response and d. But it's like, okay, but those. It was a low blow. So, like, that's all we're focusing on, the low blow. But what about all the lead up? And that's like what would happen a lot with, you know, the uber story, right? Like, what about all the lead up? I wouldn't just sit there and be like, Jenna's poor. Like, it doesn't make any sense. So that she's very good at creating a picture that you then get lost on. So you're just focusing on that one thing that Sounds really bad. Does that make any sense?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. And she came to you also telling you, aaron, we made a path. You said you would stand up for me.

[Aaron Lishi]

I'm like, oh, shit. Like, oh, my God. Like, I'm not standing up for her. And, like, I guess we did kind of say, you know, we're going to make sure that we support each other. And then I started feeling guilty because, like, I'm a girl, like, I love my girlfriends and I always want to protect my girlfriends. And I, I, I realized that she was upset in that moment. That's the other thing. Like, she tends to get very upset. And so then you just, you know, nobody wants anyone upset. Right. Like, if anyone was crying in front of me, I'd be like, no, no, no. Like, please don't be upset. You know, so then she gets you with that, and it's very complicated. And it's like, I don't think again. I never want to say that I think she's a bad person, because I don't think she's a bad person. But, like, these tactics that she's developed in her life are hard to navigate. It, it's like, exhausting because, like, when someone tells me something, I believe it. A, and B, when someone is acting a certain way, that's like, Vic, like, they're the victim. You feel bad. Like, it's a natural inclination to just want to be like, oh, my God, I'll take care of you. And then you forget about the whole other side of things.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. And you're also, you're also Uba's good friend. But in this instance, yeah, Bryn got you and a few of you riled up to be like, uba, it's not nice. She's really offended, blah, blah, blah. Then we move on to Bryn not wanting to talk to you about things, but then doubling down and saying, you guys, I still can't believe she would even say that to me because she's the only one that knows that I was raped.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. And one thing I want to clear up. Not that I, I have seen this that much, but I saw Psy posted about it and I then I, like, was curious. So I saw a couple of people say I was not there. When she told people the story that UBA knew I was not there. I was off doing my own thing. I think I was about to eat. Like, I was starving. I was not in that room. So I couldn't have told UBA because I didn't know about it. The minute that she then told me the story, my Immediate reaction was disbelief. Like, I was like, I don't think that happened. Like, I can't imagine that UBA would hear you say that and then not make. Like. I mean, I know that she wouldn't. She'd be like, what? Like, who? When, how she follow up about it. She talked to her. Like, it's just. There's just no way. And that's when she commented, you know, maybe she didn't clock it. And then I was like, oh, so you're just. This isn't true. Like, this just isn't true.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So really feel like I'm telling you, could feel from my couch that the minute that happened, of the. Oh, well, maybe she didn't clock it after the night that you guys had, after UBA saying she swears on her unborn child and may Allah strike him down. And, you know, freaking out, which, I mean, Uba's reactions are grand. Maybe it would have helped the situation if she said, bryn, I didn't fucking say that. You lot. You liar. You know what I mean? Like, you didn't say that to me. But I also understand being frustrated.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, imagine you guys, somebody saying something that's not true about you, and you know that it's not true. It can drive you mad. So she says to you guys, maybe she didn't clock it. Meaning I was on the phone with her ranting about subs, said it, she didn't respond to it. And now she's saying things that are kind of. Which I also don't get the exact correlation between the two. You know what I mean? But I don't want to. I mean, that's Bryn's kind of drama. Like, because she's saying, how would UBA say that I slept with someone to get the job if she knows that. That I was raped? That's what it sounded like.

[Aaron Lishi]

I think what her implication was, she's you. She's, like, using this information to. To. To attack me and shame me, knowing that I was sexually assaulted. Which, by the way, if that were true and that was something that UBA was doing, I would never speak to her again. Like, it would just be so disgusting.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow. So that's a huge, huge, huge accusation of someone's character.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah. And that's why we were like, whoa. And then it just took things to, like, okay, we're, you know, to break the fourth wall on a TV show together. We are spicy sometimes. Like, we, you know, argue this and that, but this is like, this is. We don't do. Like, you don't do Shit like that. Granted. Could she have said it in that call? It's possible. I mean, I wasn't on the call. It's possible. That being said, she obviously didn't remember or didn't know because it was never brought up again. And that's not like her. All of it was so convoluted and, like, so upsetting, I think, to all of us. And we had also spent a season with. I mean, especially me getting so wrapped up and like, getting so, like, screwed over by anything I was saying to her. I mean, it was like the stupid pregnancy prank thing and then it looking like I was trying to frame Bryn and the Uber thing with, like, my really close friend that I really had an issue with, you know? So for me, I was just like, oh, no, no, no, no. Like, this has been. This is going on too, too much and too long, you know, and I've forgiven her so many times.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And it seems like with everyone, like, the minute that psy. And you said in your confessionals, like, that was the breaking point, it kind of. You could really sense that, like, once she lied about this and you're kind of looking back, like, all the other stuff she lied about, like, you're done. Like, this was kind of the straw that broke the camel's bag, it feels like. And how quick did you. Because in the morning on the show, it does look like she's like, oh, did you feel that? Like, was that the vibe?

[Aaron Lishi]

I don't know if you could see if you notice, but, like, I kind of was just steering clear. Like, I just. I think it was just a lot and I just wanted to not have any sort of. I didn't want any more altercation or anything, but I was very surprised, I'll say this, to. To hear that she wanted to stay. That she had, you know, the capacity to put on her. I think she called it, like her big boy pants and just continue on with the day. Like, that wasn't an option. Nobody was able to. We all were just like, get us, like, this is not normal or okay by any means. So, like, that the fact that she. She was the one who did it and she thinks that things were normal and okay is it makes things more confusing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you saw her Rolling Stone interview.

[Aaron Lishi]

Well, that just triggered the fuck out of me. I lost it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So she said in the Rolling Stone interview, firstly about this fight. She said, like, we discussed that. She did say it to uba. She was listing things. Maybe Uber doesn't remember. That's. That's one. Secondly, they asked who she still talks to. And she said, well, Aaron and I are sisters. I just talked to her and the other day. And you then. Which you usually don't do, but people kind of really, kind of love that you did. It was commented on a post kind of recapping that saying. Nuh.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, that really got me. That really got me. Because I'll tell you why. After the title shoot, I reached out to Bren to, like, make, you know, I just wanted to make sure she was okay. It doesn't mean that just because I'm cordial with someone doesn't mean that I'm then not gonna have boundaries up. Like, I. My boundaries were up after that whole situation.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, how awkward was that day? The film? Was it as awkward as it looked?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, I mean, she wasn't there for a lot of it. She didn't get her hair and makeup done there with us.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Aaron Lishi]

She missed a lot of it. She just came to do her singles and then the group and it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It.

[Aaron Lishi]

Listen, I have a heart, like, it felt. It was hard to see her, like, so sort of ostracized. And her brother was there, and, like, I spoke to him for a little bit. It was just sad, you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

At. But yeah. So I reached out to her to just say, like, I hope you're all right. And I guess she had remembered, like, the other times that she had texted me and I. I'd said, like, you know, Uba's really upset about what happened. And I guess she didn't like that. She didn't like that I was saying that Uba was upset because she was the one who's supposed to be upset, I guess, after this whole thing. And so she blocked me. So I didn't speak to her for. For months, until my father passed away, I hadn't spoken a word to her. This was someone who I was friends with. And honestly, quite frankly, I thought she'd be apologizing to everybody. Hey, sorry for ruining the end of the trip. Like, some sort of, like, accountability for what had happened. And, you know, like, if I. Because if I put myself in her shoes, I would have felt so awful.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

You know, if I had done something like that, I would have. I think I would have just. Or anyone would have just been like, I made a fucking mistake. I'm not perfect. Like, I screwed up and whatever. So it takes a year to recover or however it is for people. Like, it takes time, obviously, but, like, at least you're owning it. They're still. So. Then when I saw the article I'm like, okay. So not only did I get that I get in trouble because I was feeling for my other friend who was just, you know, typecasted, a really terrible person. But now it's still going on to the point that we're writing articles. Like, we're still doubling down and calling me like a sister when you hadn't spoken to me at all. I hadn't. You not only spoken to me. Blocked me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How did you know you were blocked?

[Aaron Lishi]

Because my text messages after were coming in like, green, and I. Yeah, she blocked me. She blocked me. And now it's confirmed because.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, it's confirmed.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, it's confirmed that she blocked me because she's since reached out and I was like, I'm like, I'm sorry. But I. I'm not. I'm not. I don't have the capacity right now to have these conversations. You blocked me, like, as though I did something wrong. And, you know, and she was like, I'm sorry I blocked you. So, I mean, I got an apology.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But it's just like, so why did it.

[Aaron Lishi]

It was very upsetting.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you commented about her calling you sisters because, like, that was. It's just so off the reality.

[Aaron Lishi]

How are we sisters? We don't. Like, I'm. You hate me. Like, apparently I'm blocked sisters. Like, I talk to my sister every single day. That's not like my version of sisterhood.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Here, you know, you clapped back again because someone was like, Aaron just commented when she was abroad about, like, wanting to be on vacation or something.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, because I, I, like, I think I. I saw a picture of her and I was trying to be cordial before the reunion, and I was like, oh, like, cute or something. Like, I want to be on vacation. What does that mean? That means that I, I was. I think I was still blocked at that point. So it doesn't even matter.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, it's interesting that she wouldn't even say, like you said. You guys, that trip ended so weird. I am mortified. Maybe I don't have all the explanations right now. Like, anything you're saying. She didn't say anything to anybody. And then on the rolling.

[Aaron Lishi]

Mad at me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Mad at you and Jessel.

[Aaron Lishi]

She was mad at us for taking aside. That's what happened instead of accountability. And I think after that, like, I was already really. I mean, I had already been really kind of fed up with just like, the twisting and turning of so many things that had gone on. But then to make it seem like I've done something wrong, like, it's not going to keep getting flipped because. No. Like, just know it's very. It's very hard to deal with that. Like, I'm not equipped for that kind of like psychological warfare.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

I'm not. I'm not good at it. Like, I'm truly. You could see it all season long. I'm like, okay, we're sorry. I. I don't get that. I'm not from this world, but, you know, guess you know, I went to. Took a crash course in it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What do you think is gonna happen? I'll tell you in my DMs. And what I'm seeing is everyone's like, no way she's coming back. No way. She. That's the vibe. Like, I've heard from, like, crazy Bravo fans. I know every single franchise, they were like, people hadn't come back from, like, less for less. You know what I mean? So what are you guys feeling about it? Like, I know you don't know what's going to happen, but how would you feel if she came back? If she didn't come back, are you guys worried she will?

[Aaron Lishi]

I think it would be really hard for me to trust anything. I mean, how do you do that? How do you. How do you, like, overlook something like, you know, the finale? How do you overlook an event like that? It just, you know, because then you just feel as though. All right, well, if I do something to you, you're gonna find something retaliatory that is really extreme. And I don't know what that is. And it could be something like, think about the, the. The level of. Of the accusation to UBA and how far fetched it was from uba's world.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Aaron Lishi]

Like, she couldn't have seen that coming.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

So it creates, you know, concern of who knows what could be the allegations can be. Right. Because it's just so far away from, you know, it's not like, oh, I'm going to fuck your husband, or, like, date your dad. Like, this is like, whoa. You had been talking about sexual violence.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know what's so funny, though, is that the examples you just gave, like, happened.

[Aaron Lishi]

Right? But, like, okay, I could see that coming. Like, I can foresee this conversation, but the fact that she had. She's writing a book about sexual violence. She's opening up about her story. She had been doing it the whole season. And then the finale was then. That topic was then turned onto uba.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, like, weaponized in a way. Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

How could we. How could any of us simple folk be, you know, onto Something like that. So it's like, it creates. Not only a concern of trust, but it's a concern of, like, understanding the intricacies of the way she even thinks.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Are you. Do you know if the other girls. If anybody talks to her, since I don't think anyone.

[Aaron Lishi]

Jessel's very upset with her, and you'll see that come out at the reunion. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Aaron Lishi]

Well, that sounds very. Like she came with some serious, like, feelings. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you have no idea what would happen next season. Obviously. We never know. Bravo folk have made that clear.

[Aaron Lishi]

Look, I really, truly, from the bottom of my heart, wish friend the best. Like, I really, really do. She's got qualities that are incredible, and she's really intelligent, and she's very, like, charismatic. And it's a shame for someone, like, with all these talents to not go far in life. And tonight she could do so much. I mean, she's incredible in a lot of ways, but she's got to own up to the things that she does to people. You know, like, even with the Jenna thing, it seems, like, so inconsequential at this point, but, like, that was really hurtful to me. You know, here I am forging a Jenna, and I talk all the time. She's one of my closest friends. And to have that happen, you know, you've been, I'm sure, betrayed by girlfriends. It sucks. And it was such, like, a gross thing that, like, I would go and run and call her poor, and it's like these kind of things kept happening.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lishi]

And until she can really work on that side of her and realize why she's doing this to people, like, she's. It's. It feels malicious, and it does feel.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Malicious, because I know that Jenna, I think, and psy. Jenna for sure, said that it feels like it's like a toddler kind of wanting attention and, like, doing stuff for attention, in a way. Are you guys, like, worried about her? That she's, you know, Because a lot of, like I said, fans reactions are what she did was super fucked up. But, like, she needs help. That's kind of the vibe we have been.

[Aaron Lishi]

We've been very clear, you know, And I think Bravo's been actually really amazing with having psychologists on hand and making sure that everybody gets the support they need. But, yeah, of course we're concerned, but it's also, like, we don't. I just. I can't, like, with everything that's happened to me, like, I'm trying to, like, close the door on 2024 and move into 2025 and, like, a clear way without all this baggage and drama that I just. I can't even touch that. Like, I. It's not like, it's. It's just I'm usually someone who loves to, like, be the one to be there for, you know, someone who's going through it or has, you know, is going through a hard time. I just feel like I can't even. I can't do that right now because I just don't have the capacity when it comes to Bryn, which is sad.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did she see your. Your comment on that account? Did she say anything about it?

[Aaron Lishi]

Reached out to me, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, what did she say?

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, she wanted to talk. I was like, I'm just not really. As I said, I don't really have the capacity, but I am rooting for you. She sent me, actually, Jenna gave me advice because I was like, I don't know what to do. And she's like, voice notes. So I was like, okay, just send me a voice note print, and I'll respond when I can. And she was very sweet. And it does pull up my heartstrings. It does. You know, it's like, she says all the right things, and she's super kind, and I know she loves me and Abe. I know that, you know, I know. I know. And Abe has a soft spot for her, too. Like, we're human. She's not a bad person. But I think I just, like, need time to.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're also very pregnant, and I'm also very pregnant.

[Aaron Lishi]

I'm hormonal. Someone says the wrong thing to me, and I'm just gonna, like, lose it anyway, so it's not the best time to talk to me, so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And like you said, you had a hard. A very hard year to say. I mean, that doesn't do it justice, so. No, it makes sense for you to kind of protect your.

[Aaron Lishi]

Yeah, I enjoy my life right now. Like, I'm. I'm finally. Like, the grief has been awful, to be honest, but it's. I'm feeling like my siblings and I are starting to, like, accept this next stage of my dad. Like, we still. It's actually nice because we're starting to feel like he's still here, you know? Like, he's not gone. He's just not physical. And so that's been, like, really therapeutic. And I think that I'm enjoying the space that I'm in right now, you know, And I just don't want to have this toxicity and this. All this stuff. I mean, I've taken a step back from other people on the cast, not just Bryn. You know, I'm not just going to sit here and say it's just Bryn. Like I've needed my space from just. I just need a minute to process everything.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So who haven't you taken a step back from?

[Aaron Lishi]

Well, then I'm going to give it away, so I'm not saying anything.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I try to trick you. Okay? I try. I love you. Thank you for hopping on and reviewing this crazy finale with me. You guys tune into the reunion tonight and this is part one. Next week is part two, and love you. Thank you for for coming on anytime. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next Tuesday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.