Haley Lu Richardson is Sad & Horny

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Podcast Summary: Not Skinny But Not Fat

Episode: Haley Lu Richardson is Sad & Horny

Host: Amanda Hirsch (A)
Guest: Haley Lu Richardson (B)
Date: November 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat features actress Haley Lu Richardson in a candid, hilarious, and surprisingly poignant conversation with Amanda Hirsch. The main focus is on Haley's new poetry book, Sad & Horny, exploring her journey through breakups, self-discovery, creative expression, and the realities of being a working actress in Hollywood. Haley and Amanda bond over everything from puberty, failed relationships, skin routines, Netflix, reality TV obsessions, and why embracing awkwardness and emotion is a sign of true freedom.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Names, Identities, and Early Roles

• Haley’s Name Origin:
  • Amanda jokes about butchering celebrity names and remarks that Haley Lu Richardson is “unfuckable” in the sense it can’t be screwed up (00:29).
  • Haley recalls a grade-school teacher calling her “Halle” despite the spelling (00:42).
• On Edge of Seventeen Set:
  • Haley shares she was called “Haley Lou, like the Pooh” to differentiate from co-star Hailee Steinfeld (01:39).
  • She reflects on her early 20s and how she “blocks out a lot of professional experiences” to move on (02:14).

2. Puberty, Insecurities, and Period Stories

• Early Puberty:
  • Both got their period at 12, sharing awkward and funny stories about that milestone (03:50).
  • Haley: “I had braces and confidence—even during my unibrow phase. But it was probably the most insecure time of my life.” (03:28)
• Period Sex in Poetry:
  • Amanda mentions a “period sex” poem in the book and jokes about Haley’s dad reading it:
    “Some were hard for a daddy to read.” – Haley (05:31)

3. Book Concept & The Sad Clown Aesthetic

• Clown Vibes and Emotional Themes:
  • Haley’s choice to wear a sad clown hat and platform ballerina shoes represents her book; inspired by the “Pierrot” archetype for yearning, depression, and the poetic mask (07:02).
• On Writing the Poetry Book:
  • Most poems were written before she even thought of publishing. The idea came from a fellow actor (“Awesome”) who encouraged her to compile them (09:08).
  • The book is an act of creative completion for Haley:
    “I’ve literally never done anything like that in my life—seen something through from the soul out into the world.” (10:30)
• Selecting Poems:
  • Amanda chooses a humorous poem to read:
    “Toothbrush, hairbrush, shower head, cucumber… This is just my shopping list. Get your mind out of the gutter.” – Amanda reads Haley’s poem (11:55)
  • Haley: “That’s by far the dumbest one in the book!” (12:14)

4. Turning 30: Lessons, Saturn Return & Self-Awareness

• Feelings on Aging:
  • Haley wasn’t scared to turn 30—her 20s were much scarier:
    “I was really scared throughout my 20s, so I was ready for that decade to be done.” (13:12)
• Astrology and Identity:
  • Amanda is a Gemini; Haley is a Pisces with a Gemini moon, which they joke means “crazy” and “sad and horny” (13:53-14:01).
• Tattoos & Authenticity:
  • Haley shares about her four tattoos—a cat included, joking about being “consistently kooky” and openly non-mysterious:
    “I’m consistently kooky. Maybe not mysterious, but consistent.” (14:43)

5. Embracing Vulnerability & Navigating Expectations

• On Publishing Personal Work:
  • “After publishing this book, I don’t know if there’s any hope of me ever being mysterious again.” (15:13)
• Fear of Being Stereotyped:
  • Haley’s past dating life involved expectations to always be “cute and happy and fun—like a distraction for someone’s tortured soul.” (16:06)
  • Now, she wants to show a more “well-rounded actual representation.”

6. Processing Heartbreak, Therapy, and Emotional Growth

• Inside Out & Emotional Embracement:
  • The Pixar film “Inside Out” was a turning point for Haley in embracing sadness as well as joy:
    “…the sadness is actually important, and makes the happiness more genuine.” (17:39)
  • Therapist uses Sadness and Joy plushies in sessions (18:16).
• Heartbreak & The Big Breakup:
  • Haley recounts her eight-year relationship, her engagement at 22, and the two-year delay before making the breakup public (25:16-26:45).
  • Despite pain, Haley expresses gratitude:
    “I’m kind of in awe of the fact that I have so much love to give, even for the person that wasn’t right.” (28:06)
  • She avoids bitterness:
    “I try to hate men. I try to be like that [Julia Fox], but I can’t.” (28:59)

7. Romantic Patterns, Dating Types, & Self-Reflection

• Evolving ‘Type’:
  • Used to date “lanky, tortured artist” types (“like Pete Davidson,” jokes Amanda), but now is drawn more to “rugged, mustached guys that build things” (32:05).
  • Now, she’s aware of past patterns:
    “I’ve really looked at why I have continuously had this pattern of the emotionally unavailable person.” (35:39)
• On Dating Apps
  • Haley prefers Hinge for its “Normie vibes,” avoiding Raya:
    “Raya… it’s douchey.” (36:56)
  • Keeps her profile balanced—no crying pics first, “save that for the second date.” (36:42)

8. Surviving Hollywood, White Lotus, and Staying Grounded

• White Lotus Fame:
  • The rise felt steady, not overnight:
    “Every couple years there’s something new, so White Lotus was like two steps up, not overnight.” (38:54)
  • On working with Jennifer Coolidge:
    “She’s a genius, but she’s also nuts… so unexpected and present.” (41:08)
• Cast “Lore” and Set Gossip:
  • The off-camera experience was as “chaotic and entertaining and salacious as the show.” (50:03)
  • References to cast “horniness,” wild times, and being “always part of the horniness.” (52:14)

9. Public Perception, Fan Critique, and Cringe Freedom

• On Portia Criticism:
  • Went through many emotions as people judged her White Lotus character, Portia—ended up seeing misogyny in calling her a “villain.” (53:38)
  • “Go to therapy!” was her public response to Portia haters (53:46)
• Aubrey Plaza “Stalking” Story:
  • Haley “stalked” Aubrey at events, even befriended her cousins to get to her birthday party;
    “I got a text from her with just a knife and a drop of blood.” (56:06)

10. Childhood Fangirl, Jonas Brothers, Celebrity Interactions

• Meeting Miley, Jonas Brothers:
  • Meeting Miley made her emotional—Miley’s album soundtrack to her breakup (60:00).
  • Manifested starring in a Jonas Brothers video; has Nick Jonas’s guitar pick (61:35).
• Fan Girl vs. Celebrity:
  • Despite being a star, Haley is awed by fellow celebrities, and “will always be a Nick [Jonas] girl.” (61:49)

11. Reality TV, Craft Drops, and Creative Outlets

• Reality TV Addict:
  • Into “dating shows specifically”—Bachelorette, Love Island, Married At First Sight (63:43-65:00).
  • Approached (but didn’t go) on Love Island; would rather host than compete (65:47).
• Crochet & Jewelry:
  • Runs an Etsy page for her crochet projects, calling herself a “crochet mogul.”
    “It’s wonderful and fulfilling and grounding… no pressure, just tactile creation.” (66:41)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On poetry & vulnerability:
  “To be cringe is to be free.” – Haley (58:33)
• About heartbreak and growth:
  “I would not want to be anywhere else and anyone else than where and who I am right now… wow, I made it through that. I like myself more somehow. I’m smarter and wiser.” (29:59-30:43)
• Haley reading her poem’s punchline:
  “This is just my shopping list. Get your mind out of the gutter.” (12:14)
• On publishing personal work:
  “I don’t know if there’s any hope for me to ever be mysterious again.” (15:13)
• White Lotus set gossip:
  “The experience of being there for five months was almost, if not as wild, as the show.” (50:03)
• On being unafraid to be herself:
  “I’m consistently kooky. Maybe not mysterious, but consistent.” (14:43)
• On Jennifer Coolidge:
  “She’s a genius, but she’s also nuts… Jennifer Coolidge is an icon.” (41:08)
• Aubrey Plaza’s reaction:
  “I got a text from her with just a knife and a drop of blood, and I knew it was Aubrey.” (56:06)
• About embracing feeling:
  “The sadness is actually important and makes the happiness more genuine… they don’t exist without each other.” (17:39)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Highlight | |-----------|----------------------------------| | 00:29 | Name talk & Edge of Seventeen | | 03:28 | Puberty, braces, and confidence | | 07:02 | Sad clown theme and Pierrot | | 09:08 | Poetry book’s origins | | 11:55 | Funny “shopping list” poem read | | 13:12 | Turning 30 & lessons | | 17:39 | “Inside Out” & embracing sadness | | 25:16 | 8-year relationship & breakup | | 32:05 | Discussing dating “types” | | 36:56 | Dating apps (Hinge > Raya) | | 38:54 | White Lotus & career progression | | 41:01 | Working with Jennifer Coolidge | | 50:03 | White Lotus cast “lore” | | 53:38 | Portia criticism & misogyny | | 56:06 | Aubrey Plaza “stalking” story | | 60:00 | Meeting Miley & emotional fangirl| | 65:47 | Love Island hosting dreams | | 66:41 | Crochet drops & Etsy |

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Tone & Engagement

With an honest, self-deprecating, and playful banter, Amanda and Haley’s conversation brims with wit (“I’m consistently kooky”), vulnerability, and relatability—further cementing why this podcast is such a charming, must-listen hangout for pop-culture lovers and those who appreciate genuine celeb confessions. The episode offers comfort: life’s discomforts—embarrassment, heartbreak, cringe, and even horniness—are to be felt and shared, not hidden away.

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For more, check out Haley Lu Richardson’s poetry book, Sad & Horny, and her crochet on Etsy!

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear media production.

[B]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room.

[A]

Wow, this is cool.

[B]

You're so cute, you guys. Haley Lou Richardson is here, by the way. I up names a lot, and I'm so happy. Yours is unfuckable.

[A]

Is it?

[B]

Yeah. Where could somebody go wrong?

[A]

You know what? A teacher in grade school called me Halle, and I was like, there is an E after the L which makes it hail. You are a teacher.

[B]

How did you know that? And that stayed with you?

[A]

Well, that's the time someone's really up my name.

[B]

Oh, yeah. But aside from that, do people call you. Do you Lou? Is your middle name, like.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's so cute.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

Do you use it, like, in.

[A]

In the.

[B]

In the industry? The industry uses it, yeah, but like your friends.

[A]

Yeah, my friends. I mean, it depends. If they're, like, being cute, they're like, Haley Lou. But most times people are like, haley, come here.

[B]

You know, if they're being cute, they're.

[A]

Like, hey, it is cute.

[B]

It is cute. It is.

[A]

I mean, Haley's also kind of cute.

[B]

Haley is really cute. You know what I was thinking about? Because I loved, loved, loved you in Edge of Seventeen, which, like, if people haven't seen that movie, like, it's such a good movie.

[A]

It does, and it holds up with.

[B]

Haley Steinfeld and you.

[A]

And that's how we differentiate.

[B]

So I was gonna ask.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

On set.

[A]

Oh, you know what? The ad called me on that because Haley was one on the call sheet and I was two. He called you two. So the ad called me Haley Lou, like the two. Two. Like the Pooh, which, if you knew me, I'm not offended by that. I loved it.

[B]

Wait, the full thing. Haley Lou to like the Pooh.

[A]

What did he say? It was so long ago now. He was like, Haley, Haley 2. Like the Pooh. That's what he said. Like, because there was Haley 1 and then there was Haley 2.

[B]

Like, the whole day. They're. If they're calling you the ad.

[A]

Yeah, two. Like the Poo.

[B]

Like the po.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if it's not the ad, how they do like, the Haley and Haley.

[A]

I don't remember was a long time. I, like, block out a lot of professional experiences. Yeah, I do. Just to get move on with my life. You know, to, like. You have to kind of, like, do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Process it for a couple months and then, like.

[B]

How old were you when you did that?

[A]

Like, probably 21. Oh, I think 21, because I think.

[B]

I was just years ago.

[A]

Like, that's nine years ago.

[B]

That's because I saw you're about to turn 30. I am 30.

[A]

I just turned it. How old are you?

[B]

37.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. How are you doing? Your skin looks great.

[B]

Really? Thank you. I'm doing good. I feel good. About 30.

[A]

What are skin tricks? I need to start.

[B]

I mean, I do get Botox right now. I don't have it. It's the only thing I'm not scared of. I don't really do.

[A]

What does Botox feel like?

[B]

You haven't done it yet?

[A]

I haven't done it. I'm like. But I. I do have a lot of. I'm starting to get these.

[B]

I feel like you need the movement, though, as an actor.

[A]

That's the thing in my eyebrows. I'm very expressive person, so I feel like good eyebrows. I've got caterpillars, and they, like.

[B]

Do you have a unique lines if you don't do it? Do you have a uni?

[A]

I had more of one when I was a kid. And then I started. I went through a phase where I was, like, getting them waxed all the time, but I looked like a hammerhead shark because they were, like, taking off. The lady was taking off, like, all of this. So there was, like, way too big of a space. Yeah. I thought I looked great. I had braces and.

[B]

So you had confidence even with that? Yeah, I did.

[A]

It was probably the most insecure time of my life.

[B]

The unibrow time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the. The waxing also, like, you just get your.

[A]

It was, like, around, like, 12, 13. Like, I'm just. You're going through puberty. It's like. It's like a really vulnerable time.

[B]

It is a really weird time.

[A]

It is.

[B]

What age did you get your period?

[A]

I think 12.

[B]

Okay, me too. That's.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that considered early? Like, today? Like, I feel like I was. I was one of the first. I was embarrassed.

[A]

How old were you? 12. I remember the first of our friend group, Tatum. She was the first to get her period, and we were at a birthday party at, like, a. A water park, and she was bleeding when we got out of the, like, Lazy river thing. And my friend Sammy was like, oh, my God, Jam, you're bleeding. Somebody get her a band aid. It was so pure. Like, she I think we all knew what was coming. Except Sammy.

[B]

You know what? That's so sweet. My friends saw my, like, I didn't tell them that I got my period and my. I guess I was like, leaking and then they were walking behind me and they were like, oh, my God. They, like saw it, like when you.

[A]

Got it for the first time ever.

[B]

No, no, I kind of didn't tell them. Knew they were bitches. Like, my heart told me. Right. Like, don't share it with them. And I was at one of their houses and I leaked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they were like, I'm going to get blood on you. So I tried to act like it was the first time. Like, that's so crazy. I just got it for the first time ever. But then they followed me to the bathroom and they saw that I already had like a pat on and they, like. Then they told like, my boyfriend.

[A]

It's cool you had a boyfriend when you were 12.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's so cool of you.

[B]

And then I told him and he was like, grossed out. Because it's gross to a 12 year old.

[A]

Yeah. It's honestly gross to 35 year olds too. I'm like, hello. I know, like, offering to have sex with you, but I know there was.

[B]

Something about period sex in your new poem, but.

[A]

Yeah, there is a poem about it.

[B]

About the period sex.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I thought about your dad, like, reading that because you said your dad was really into this, your book.

[A]

I mean, he wasn't really into it. He was as supportive as he could be and should be. Yeah. But yeah, he had said, like, he sent me an email and he was like, very much focused on the format and the font and the layout and giving like notes like that. And then at the very end of the email, he said that, you know something about the poems. And he said that some were hard for a daddy to read.

[B]

Wait, can we. This is how crazy I am. And I'm like, just a New York City girl that I'm sitting here with you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm introducing you. We've talked for like 10 minutes. Yeah. And you're sitting with this hat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And these shoes.

[A]

And we haven't commented on it at all.

[B]

Anything.

[A]

This is just. We're so LA in New York right now. Go us or like, are we crazy? Can I tell you what? When I was going to the bathroom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was thinking, thinking, first of all, because I have such short legs in. In normal life, but with these, I was like, alarmed how long it took me to squat for my butt. To actually read the toilet seat. Is that what it's like for tall people?

[B]

Like, you were like.

[A]

I was like. I thought I was there, and then it was like another foot down to the toilet.

[B]

Wait.

[A]

And then I was also thinking, this is like you. You bringing around a squatty potty.

[B]

You think if you had to poop, that would be helpful? Yes. Okay. You know what I do sometimes? I, like, take over the, like, little garbage can if I need to.

[A]

I do that too. Yeah, I do that in hotels.

[B]

I. Let's talk about this, though. The hat. Okay, we're in. We're in. Clown vibes. Sad clown vibes for the book.

[A]

Yeah, I guess. Pretty cutie, cutie, cutie clown.

[B]

But I'm sad and horny.

[A]

Yeah, you are too. Are you?

[B]

I don't know if I'm either.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Point. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God. First of all, I'm so happy for you that you're happy.

[B]

Yeah. But the horny part.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know if I'm like, currently horny.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like, had a baby a year ago.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

You're a mom. I'm a mom.

[A]

You're mothering.

[B]

That's shocking.

[A]

You're happy in mother.

[B]

I'm happy in mother.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And currently, in this very moment, like, not that horny.

[A]

Okay. Oh, I don't do it for you.

[B]

Currently.

[A]

Kind of offended.

[B]

I'm kind of offended. I wore these high ass ballerina for you. Tell me about it. Tell me about this book of poetry that you wrote.

[A]

Wait. Well, first of all, yes, the clown theme connects to the book.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The sad clown. What's. It was. I don't know how to pronounce him. Even the black and white. Pierrot. Pierrot. Have you heard of this clown? Sure. He's like a symbol for. For. For yearning, depression, loneliness. But it's the mask of the clown. It's really beautiful and poetic. So there's a lot of that theme. Theme in the book. So I'm just taking it as an opportunity to dress like this the last week.

[B]

This is a decision you made. Like.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Haley was like.

[A]

No one forced it upon me. This is all my choice.

[B]

Like a stylist. Do you work? No, No.

[A]

I think I had to convince him.

[B]

You had to convince him? Yeah, to get like. But the shoes, the shoes.

[A]

I had these. This was. This is actually my clothes.

[B]

Wait, you had the shoes? I had the shoes from, like, I actually normally.

[A]

My friend's bachelorette party last year.

[B]

Okay, so it was for, like a theme.

[A]

It was for A themed thing. And I was gonna, like, sell them or donate them, but I was like.

[B]

You know, these feeling handy.

[A]

And they will. I can. I can bring them around and use them as a squatty potty and for.

[B]

Like a sad horny bug.

[A]

Yes. And to promote this book.

[B]

So wait, so when you were writing these poems was this. You were writing them anyway, and then one day you were like, let me publish them or you wrote them for this book?

[A]

Kind of.

[B]

Neither.

[A]

I definitely didn't write them for a book. I wrote most of them before I even decided to turn them into a book. But the idea to make them a book came from a friend I was working with, an actor I was working with, and he read one of my poems. I was like, writing on a night shoot in the tent, and it was like 3am and raining, and I was sitting there in the corner of the tent writing and crying, and he was like, what's up? And I was like, just writing some poems and he was like, can I read it? And I let him read it because I trusted him. And he said it was good. And I was like, really? And then he said, yeah, you could actually, like, turn these into a book. And I don't think I would have ever thought of that if it wasn't for him saying it.

[B]

Do we know this guy?

[A]

His name's awesome.

[B]

Awesome. Like awesome.

[A]

He's awesome. Awesome.

[B]

Yeah. Is it spelled awesome?

[A]

No, it's a S. I am.

[B]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[A]

Yeah. And he is in this movie that's coming out in the end of January, I think, called Good Luck, have Fun, Don't Die. A great title.

[B]

And you're going to be in then?

[A]

I'm going to be in, yeah.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

And no, I was just hanging out on the set in the 10 at 3:00am but he. Yeah, he. He told me I could do this. And I literally don't think I would have ever thought that this was something I could do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it, like, made a light go off in my brain and soul and I saw it through. And I've literally never done anything like that in my life, like, had something creatively come from me and then seen it through, like making it something. So it's been cool.

[B]

Let's read, like, one of the poems.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. On your phone. I love it.

[B]

Well, I don't have it. They sent me a PDF. Oh, my God, I should have brought you one today. It's okay, don't worry.

[A]

Oh, I'm so sad that I didn't wait.

[B]

I had one that I Liked on this page.

[A]

Oh, I'm gonna send you one.

[B]

Thank you, angel. I love that there's like, literally, like a phone charger, a cucumber. Like, this is.

[A]

That's not a phone charger. That is a vibrator charger.

[B]

See how I'm not horny? Do you see them?

[A]

She doesn't even know what that is.

[B]

She. She didn't even know. I'm like, can I charge my phone here, please? Wait, page 26.

[A]

Not in this house.

[B]

I like that one. Oh, after the cucumber.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, wow. I'm interested. Which one you're gonna pick. And you have, like, a really sultry voice, so I'm excited to hear.

[B]

I do.

[A]

Yeah, you do. I can't believe I don't make you horny at all.

[B]

I know that came out that way. It did sound like that moment. I meant, like, in this period of my life. You make me so horny.

[A]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

Toothbrush, hairbrush, shower head, cucumber, curling iron, post of the bed, electric shaver, mascara container. Massage chair with a strong vibrator. Vibrator. An extra large carrot. A dollop of butter. This is just my shopping list. Get your mind out of the gutter.

[A]

That I will say I love a rhyme. I think the stupidest poem in the book. So the fact that you picked that one.

[B]

No, like, no, I love stupid.

[A]

The dumbest one in there.

[B]

No. I'm dead.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It is so on brand for me to pick the dumbest one. And everyone knows it.

[A]

I love it. It is like, by far. I mean, there are some dumb ones.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, actually a lot of dumb ones. But that's the dumb.

[B]

Like, there's. There are a lot deeper ones.

[A]

There's some deeper ones. There's some deeper dumb ones. Some dumb, deep ones. Yeah, there's some deep, deep ones.

[B]

But that's just like the array of the. You know, the female emotion. You're dumb sometimes. You're deep and dumb sometimes.

[A]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. That's all I've got.

[B]

Either dumb or deep and dumb. Yeah.

[A]

Maybe that's the next book. Maybe that's your book.

[B]

Deep and dumb. Yeah, I love that.

[A]

Deep and dumb.

[B]

Wait, so I wanted to just halt a second on 30. Yeah. Turn 30.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What feelings do you have about it? Like, were you scared a lot of be scared to turn 30?

[A]

I wasn't scared.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was really scared throughout my 20s, so I was ready for that decade to be done.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. I was like, the second I turned 29, actually, I was like, thank God. I'm almost there. I'm almost done.

[B]

Why? What was so crazy? Like, what. What'd you experience in your twenties?

[A]

It.

[B]

A lot of, like, the. The. The heartbreak and.

[A]

Yeah, it was a lot of lessons. I know. Life is full of them. They're not going to stop just because I had a birthday, you know, but. And turned 30. But I. But there were a lot of lessons. Like, my Saturn returned, but are you.

[B]

You're into that, huh?

[A]

I'm pretty into that. Can you tell? You're not.

[B]

There's something about you.

[A]

There's something about me.

[B]

What are you?

[A]

What are you?

[B]

Gemini.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

I'm a Gemini moon. We're crazy.

[B]

Gemini Moons are crazy.

[A]

Or Gemini. Any Gemini.

[B]

Wait, so what are you?

[A]

I'm a Pisces.

[B]

What does that mean for people?

[A]

That means that I dress like this and I'm sad and horny. That's all you really need to know about the Pisces sign.

[B]

But you're connected to the sign. Like, would you get it, like, tattooed on you?

[A]

I tr.

[B]

You don't have tattoos. You're a clean girl.

[A]

I do have tattoos.

[B]

Oh, you do?

[A]

I have one. Four. Four.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I see.

[A]

I have my cat. My tattoos are pretty pure.

[B]

You have a cat that also tracks.

[A]

Yeah, it does.

[B]

It does.

[A]

It's kind of. Everything about me is kind of expected. It's like. It's like, am I, like, am I boring because I'm so expectedly?

[B]

It's like when things track. It's good.

[A]

It does. It is. Yeah.

[B]

It means you're, like, consistent.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You show up.

[A]

I'm consistently kooky.

[B]

Like, you might not be mysterious.

[A]

I definitely not know.

[B]

Me neither. I have tried to.

[A]

I've tried.

[B]

I know.

[A]

It's, like, impossible.

[B]

You can't. You can't force.

[A]

You seem the serious. Like, you're in all black. You're, like.

[B]

I mean, supposed to, like, the pink and the hat maybe, but, like, mysterious is definitely something I strive to be.

[A]

I think we. I think we should stop striving to be it.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. If we're not it, then do you.

[B]

Feel like you really put it all out there in the book and, like, definitely.

[A]

I don't think after publishing this book, I don't know if there's any hope for me to ever be mysterious again. Because any person that ever, like, goes on a first date with me, if they Google me, they'll see this book or they'll be able to read it, and this might really hurt my chances of finding.

[B]

But what do you think, like, are you scared that.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

That people will expect maybe like someone really horny and let's say you, you go home with somebody and I don't.

[A]

Think people are gonna take it literally. Gonna think it maybe from the title, but actually, you know, there have been times in my past where people I've dated like have an expectation of me to just be like cute and happy and fun and like, like a distraction for their tortured soul. And I'm glad now to put myself out there in this way that is like a more well rounded actual like version of like not, not a version, but actual representation of who I am as opposed to what people have like their perception.

[B]

Their perception of you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What the sad part is that from a time that you were like really depressed or something.

[A]

I think. Have you watched the film Inside Out? Oh my God. What's wrong?

[B]

I know, by the way, a lot and I should. Because I'm an anxiety.

[A]

You should watch Inside out and the second one's all about.

[B]

And by the way, I just took my kid tonight, Disney on Ice. And then they had the Inside out people come out.

[A]

Oh, and you didn't.

[B]

And that's like a new thing. And I knew it was for your.

[A]

Kid to be old enough for you to show them is you have a daughter or something.

[B]

I have a son who's five and I should watch Inside out with him.

[A]

Oh, you have a five year old and a new baby.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh my gosh. You should watch Inside out with your 5 year old.

[B]

Inside out and especially like it does is the anxious girl, like the, the.

[A]

Girl in the second movie. So it's all about. There's, there's a girl, there's the people. And then it follows the. The young girl, Riley, and the emotions in her head are the main characters. So the first movie, like Sadness is really the hero and it's like about embracing the sadness. And the second movie is about anxiety that she goes through puberty and she has all of these new emotions that come into play and like anxiety really steals the show. But the first movie, Inside out is my favorite film in the world.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And around the time that that movie came out, it was kind of the first thing that set off this, this concept inside me that like, oh, I. Just because I am innately happy doesn't mean that I can never be sad too. Like, and the sadness is actually important and makes the happiness more genuine. When you feel those true moments of joy, like they don't exist without each other. And that's the Whole concept of that movie, which is why it truly changed my life. Wow. Yeah. My therapist has.

[B]

What did she say about that?

[A]

Well, she loves it, too, because we're both very much in touch with our inner child. But she has a sadness doll and a joy doll from inside out. And sometimes. Sometimes when I'm stuck somewhere and I'm, like, not able to embrace my sadness, she brings out the plush toy and I'm like, yeah, it helps me.

[B]

So you feel like you started embracing because before you were saying too, like, you had this thing that people expected of you, so you gave it to them, like, happy I'm here to, like, you know.

[A]

Yeah. And I think it comes from a genuine part of me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, you know, like, with any. I keep calling it like, a mask or just, like, the way that we present. Like, sometimes you can use it as a crutch, and it totally disconnects you from, like, how you're really feeling. And that's when, you know, things get suppressed and pile up and people get, like, genuinely deeply depressed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I felt myself. I've had some. Like, that movie Inside out was kind of a wake up call for me in a very cute, pure way. And then I've had some hard heartbreak that, like, I went through kind of identity crisis and. And, like, realizing a lot of shame and things I wasn't being honest about, even to myself. And that's when I, like, started listening to Phoebe Bridgers and, like, embracing, like, my sad feelings, too. And I went through an emo phase.

[B]

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[A]

I would say the last. Like, really the last. Because I went through a big breakup. I was with someone for almost eight years.

[B]

The guy you were engaged to?

[A]

The guy I was engaged to.

[B]

You. I call it like a boop. Because wasn't it you announced your breakup two years after it happened.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That was crazy.

[A]

Yeah, it was nice. Because no one, first of all, like, we weren't that relevant that people, I mean, people, I think, cared about us as actors and watched things we were in and, like, liked us as a couple, but not like, to the extent that they were really, like, articles everywhere about, like, did they Break up. So it was kind of nice because we just, like, kind of went through it as people. We didn't really have to. But then two years after the breakup, we were both getting still, like, every time something would come out, there'd be like, an article, like a work thing for either of us. There'd be like, a article about. Oh, are they still. Are they? Aren't they? And we were just like. We just kind of want to be out of each other's.

[B]

You posted a cute little pic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And said, hi. We're not together anymore, by the way. Yeah.

[A]

By the way. Yeah. Live, laugh, love.

[B]

Yeah. It was like a cute pic.

[A]

Yeah. And that was the first time we had seen each other since the breakup. So we just kind of like.

[B]

Oh, you took an actual picture. Well, we.

[A]

Well, we. No, no. We didn't meet to take the picture, to announce it. We met to, like, after two years, I had to give him back something.

[B]

Because you used a recent pick for the breakup post.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Well, we're not going to post a picture of us in a relationship.

[B]

No. By the way, people do that.

[A]

That's funny. No, that was us, like, together.

[B]

We were at an air one that was as real as it gets.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You posted the, like, post Breakup Talk photo as the breakup post. Yeah. So you were engaged at 20.

[A]

I don't remember.

[B]

You were young.

[A]

20 to marry me. When I was 22, you proposed. Yeah. I'll never do that again. You. I mean, power to me at the time, but what were you feeling again? Someone else.

[B]

If she gets down on one knee.

[A]

I'm not. It's to do something else.

[B]

Wait, so 22.

[A]

You kind of set me up for that.

[B]

I actually did not, but I just did, too. No.

[A]

Do you see?

[B]

I don't read the room.

[A]

You're not reading it. I am reading it too much.

[B]

No, no. But that was bifocals on. Yeah, no, that was good. Okay, but so you're 22. How. What, you. You feel love bursting out of you?

[A]

Love bursting out. Yeah. He was my person, you know, at that time, that's all I ever could imagine. And it was unplanned, but it was just, like, really.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It was actually such a beautiful moment. Like, I don't have too much bitterness about that moment now.

[B]

Why would you?

[A]

Well, five. Because there was a lot of pain. You know, the relationship didn't work out for a reason. But now I'm kind of like, that was really sweet of you.

[B]

Like, you can look at you, at Haley and be like, so Sweet that you felt something so bad.

[A]

Well, truly, I look at the whole thing of that day and the goodness of that relationship, both him and I, and the love that in relationship we did truly, deeply have. And I see the good. But also. Yeah, just me. I'm like a lot of the kind of processing lessons, healing. I've been looking inward, reflecting, I've been doing the last few years has made me, like, kind of in awe of the fact that I have so much love to give, even for the person that wasn't right.

[B]

Like, and you're such a romantic.

[A]

I am. And it is, it is hopeful. Like, I can't be bittered. I don't know why. Like, I try to hate men. I try.

[B]

You're like, give me my Julia Fox moment.

[A]

Like, I try to be like that. You know, I aspire. But I.

[B]

You don't.

[A]

I can't. I try to just like, go to a wedding and be like, roll my eyes. But every time I go to a wedding, I'm crying.

[B]

Like, you know, did you propose that young because you hope to be like a young mom or like, wanted a family?

[A]

I, I have always wanted to be a mom, but I really just truly thought he was the person. So I was like, what are we waiting for? We've already been together a few years. Like my soulmate.

[B]

What did you learn from that? Like, how did you take that experience into like, dating in your later 20s?

[A]

The proposal or the break?

[B]

The whole relationship.

[A]

Oh, my God, I learned so much. Yeah, I learned. I'm so thankful, like we were supposed to be together for that whole time because I wouldn't have learned all the things and be the person I am now. I'm very much like a believer in that these days. And I, I go through phases with like, firmly believing in it and not kind of losing faith in it, but.

[B]

Like, like saying, no, that shouldn't. Maybe that I shouldn't have gone through that at all.

[A]

Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, why the fuck did I have to go through that? You know? But I'm like, lately and I think this poetry book has helped me to like, find the, like, tether to this truth that I really feel is true. That's like, I would not want to be anywhere else and anyone else than where and who I am right now and all of the things that came before. And like, that's such a relief to think of all the things that are going to come that I have no idea what's going to. We have, we never have any idea what's going to happen in life and like, some fucked up shit happens. And it's nice to be like, wow, I made it through that. I like myself more somehow. I'm smarter and wiser.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm sad and horny, but I'm also, like, happy and also horny.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Are you looking for a relationship now?

[A]

I wouldn't say looking.

[B]

Okay, open.

[A]

I think I'm open. But yeah, I'm actually feeling pretty good. Being alone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You say in this poetry book, like, you have one of the poems is about having like, the same type, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's that type? Is it like tattoos? Rocker.

[A]

Well, there was a guy. I was never really into tattoos, and then there was a guy that changed it for me. And now like, tattoos and mustaches. Like, I need to get over that.

[B]

Wait, that's. Now you're like.

[A]

It's horrible. Like, like I'll see a guy and then all of a sudden I'll see the same guy with like, stash photoshopped.

[B]

On him and I'm like, wait, the, like the lead singer of Mumford and Sons vibes?

[A]

What's he look like? Is he blonde? Is he not wearing a shirt? Who's that? Oh, Mumford is never wearing a Mumford. Wait, who's long hair that looks oily all the time?

[B]

Oh, I'm just trying to track your type. Like, I need to have it in my mind. Well, the type, like, is it this kind of vibe?

[A]

No, it's a bit more rugged.

[B]

Okay. Like a Pete Davis.

[A]

No, that's too. Well, that my past type was kind.

[B]

Of this lanky, tortured artist, which is Pete Davidson.

[A]

Yeah, I guess he was my former type. I'm disillusioned by that type now.

[B]

Oh, so there's a new type now?

[A]

There's a new type. He's like, like the kind of guy that builds things and has a mustache.

[B]

So he's not like an actor.

[A]

And like, maybe like goes does mosh pits. Like, I don't know. I don't know what he is, but.

[B]

But he's not an actor. No. Can I ask you something about actors?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Like a personal friend to friend question.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'll have actors on sometimes. Like the men. The men actors.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I just don't feel the vibes. Like, you know how I said, you know how I told you, like, I'm not horny? And my clients say it's probably because.

[A]

You'Ve been talking to all these guy actors. They just dried you up.

[B]

But I'm not kidding.

[A]

That's Kind of what they did to me.

[B]

No, but that's what I'm saying.

[A]

Go to the mustache tattooed building, by.

[B]

The way, that's why I'm asking. Because I have these guys on, they'll be like good looking actors, guys that everybody posts about and what, you know, and then I'm like, I swear, like. Yeah, is that, Are those actors? Like, are they, what are they like, just so into themselves that they don't see women in the room? Is it me?

[A]

Like, it's definitely not you. It's never you.

[B]

It's that. It's never me.

[A]

It actually is.

[B]

They do feel like. I get now why you hear from a lot of actresses. Like, you hear actresses set say, like, I'll never date another actor.

[A]

Like.

[B]

And I, I feel like I, I get it.

[A]

You get it? I mean, yeah, I have said that. I mean, but also, never say never. But like, pretty much, I don't think ever.

[B]

You don't think?

[A]

I don't think. But I think it's because I, I dated a lot of them. And like, my friend said something to me once because like, I really felt like I needed to be like, creatively inspired by the person I end up with. Cause like my big long ex, I was like very inspired. Like, he was making me laugh all the time. We learned our brains were just like, he's an Aquarius. Our brains were just going like. And he was going all the time. And I admired him in that way. So I was like, I felt like, oh, that was a positive in that relationship. I need to have that in a relationship, whoever I end up with. And then I was dating someone. The first person I dated that wasn't an actor in this industry. And I was like, yeah, but like, he's not like an artist. And my friend at the time was like, is that like, is that like, do you need that? Like, think of all the friends you have. You're like spending half your life like going on sets, like being inspired by the director, the actor you're working with, the friends you have that are actors. Do you. Is that really like top priority for you and your partner you go home to, Right? And I was like, actually no. And it's actually exhausting. And I kind of want to go home and just like be a person and have a little simple life.

[B]

My little hat, right? Yeah, but that's so profound. Yeah. And like that, your friend said that, like, do you need that at home? Yeah, I mean, you can separate your.

[A]

I would rather someone be really nice.

[B]

Really nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, see you and, you know.

[A]

Have really great sex with me and see me and.

[B]

And do these actor guys, like, even. Are they even good in bed, you know? No, because they're almost on their muscles.

[A]

I mean, I haven't dated a lot of them with muscles. I've been to the Link. Yeah, the Link. But, yeah, there's definitely, like. It feels like a deep emotional connection because there's this, like, emo tortured artist quality that you're, like, inspired by, and it's so deep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But sometimes I just want the dumb. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, you just want the dumb.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And again, to come home to somebody. Put the work aside. So, wait, you said you had a type. You dated the same kind of guy. It didn't work. So are we now? I'm putting something else out there.

[A]

I've truly been committed to the journey of processing those and, like, finding the pattern within me, like, my involvement of why that's continued to happen and why I, like, end up with these people who actually don't see me as a full person and don't, like. There's been a lot of shame I've experienced in the past in relationships and a lot of, like, not support and acceptance of just, like, the person I am and the way I am. So I've really looked at why I have continuously had this pattern of this, like, emotionally unavailable person that I'm, like, begging to be available and see me and accept me. So, like, really committing to seeing all of that and working through it has disillusioned me to that type. So now I like. Oh, one of those, you know.

[B]

Wait, so are you on the apps?

[A]

I am. I'm on Hinge.

[B]

You're on Hinge?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's the photo? Is it the photo with you crying?

[A]

I think. No, I don't have a crying picture on there. We'll save that for the second date.

[B]

Yeah, I'll.

[A]

I'll introduce them to that as well. I'll probably introduce them to that. Send me on the first date. But I have a good balance of, like, cutie pics and, like.

[B]

Wait, why'd you say you can't do Raya?

[A]

It's. I mean, do I have to explain? It's douchey.

[B]

Oh, it is?

[A]

Yeah. I feel like there are less because didn't Raya start to be, like, a safe space for people in the public eye or something? And now I feel like it's a dangerous place. I feel like everyone on there, like, has ulterior motives and, like, isn't just on there with good intentions. They Just, you know, Hinge is a little bit more Normie. I like it.

[B]

And you, you're like, you give Normie vibes.

[A]

I take that as a compliment.

[B]

No, that is a compliment.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

That you're not like a disillusioned, like, jaded kind of actor, which. How did you do that? Because you're like, you had that really huge moment. White Lotus Season 2. You get thrown into, you know, young Hollywood vibes and like, the craziness of of it all. How did you, like, handle that time and like, tell yourself, like, did you say, like grounded? Did you?

[A]

Well, staying grounded and like, having routines and surrounding myself with like, physical things and people that are grounding is extremely important to me. I have no Earth in my chart, so I. So I'm like, really?

[B]

You have no Earth?

[A]

You know, I think I have like, one of my very distant planets in Capricorn, but that's about as grounded as it gets.

[B]

But I wouldn't, like, I wouldn't. I'm not like, I wouldn't. I would believe that you had Earth.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I think give her some Earth.

[A]

I will take that also as a compliment because I like, I really prioritize the things that are grounding to me in my life because I know that I am naturally the person that's like, floating in the clouds. And also this industry I'm in is so disconnected from reality. But also with the whole like, moment of the White Lotus, like, that was a big thing and probably the biggest thing I've ever done. Like, on a. Like, it was a cultural phenomenon. People kept saying, and it was.

[B]

But.

[A]

But also it wasn't like, I feel like, because my career has kind of been a more steady build over the last 14 years, like, I've never really had something that was like, ah, she's an overnight success. It's like, like every couple years there's like a couple things that come out that are like a. People see a little more people. You know, I get a slightly bigger job or whatever. And so the White Lotus seemed like, like I've been taking some steps. And then the White Lotus was like two steps up as opposed to just like overnight. I experienced right what that was.

[B]

Yeah, that's really healthy. Then that feels like a healthy growth.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like a tick tock sensation. Overnight get to a million.

[A]

No, I definitely haven't had the overnight thing.

[B]

So did it feel like I'm overnight oats?

[A]

I had those this morning.

[B]

Did you feel like, with the White Lotus experience success, like, for people that were like, whoa. Getting to know you for the first time, maybe. Were you, like, I've been here. I've been around, babe.

[A]

Was I, like, did I have any annoyance at that? I sometimes was, like, in Interview. I mean, obviously I was promoting the White Lotus, but, like, it was, like, all everyone wanted to talk about, which. I get it. I mean, it was. Yeah, it was great. So. No, I didn't really. No, I mean, I get it. It's. Yeah, it was the biggest thing.

[B]

And also, you played Portia. That. So you worked with Jennifer Coolidge, who exploded at that time. Yeah.

[A]

And I could answer questions about working with her all the time.

[B]

No. By the way, I did this, like, red carpet gig for a movie with JLo, and Jennifer Coolidge was in it, and Jayla was the star, and Jennifer Coolidge was, like, the mom. It's called, like, Shotgun Wedding.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Josh Jamel, too.

[A]

Okay, well, you were in that.

[B]

No, no, I was interviewing on the red carpet.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

And all everybody wanted to ask about was, what's it like working with Jennifer Coolidge?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they had to say, like, Jennifer Coolidge, because there was Jennifer Lopez.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, everyone, like Jennifer Coolidge, she just came off, like the White Lotus. It was crazy.

[A]

Well, she is, like, one of a kind.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, she is just, like. She is an icon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, so everyone's like, ah, it's iconic, but.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Jennifer Coolidge is an icon.

[B]

Like, so how was it working with her?

[A]

It was iconic. It was. It was amazing. I mean, she's a genius, but she's also nuts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, just watching her, like, go off and riff and. And, like, like, like lose something and then come back, I was just, like, in awe or laughing the whole time. Like, I'd never been on a set doing a scene with someone and, like, had to hold in laughter, really. I've done a lot of comedies, and sometimes even in a comedy, people aren't actually that funny when you're working with them. But, like, Jennifer is so unexpected and, like, just, like, on her own planet, but also somehow so present.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it was great.

[B]

Did you see that? Kelsey Ballerini recently told the story that she auditioned for your part.

[A]

I did see that. People sent me that article.

[B]

It was, like, literally, like, two days ago.

[A]

A lot of people audition for the White Lotus. Like, I auditioned, or did I audition for the first. No, I. I couldn't do the audition for the first season, but I put my ex on tape for the first season. I know a lot of people that audition for different roles for the second season. It's a desirable.

[B]

It's a television show. Did you know that at the time, like when you auditioned for Portia. Like was it. It got the hype from season one. So you knew. Yeah. But it really only keeps growing. Even though I will say your season wasn't only like I think a favorite obviously. Also the like lore of the cast and the shenanigans and the. I remember I posted a photo of your cast hanging out and I had fomo. Like I had fomo. Like I wanted to be there time like the wild. It. It was wild. Yeah. What can you tell us? Give us some something.

[A]

I don't know if I could tell you anything.

[B]

Anything.

[A]

Because it was wild.

[B]

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[A]

Look at you coming back. I will say, like the experience of us as humans being there for five months was almost. If not as wild.

[B]

I'm salivating.

[A]

Chaotic and entertaining and salacious as the show.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It was like, just a really fun time, but also nuts. Like, sometimes I look back on those memories and I was like, did that actually happen?

[B]

Stop. I can't. I'm dying right now. I am dying right now.

[A]

Yeah, I saw, actually, because some of my friends know the details of at least my lore filming, and one of them sent me a quote from Jason Isaacs in from the third season. In his promo, he said something about, like, the lore of the actual cast being as entertaining or whatever. And they sent it to me, and I was like. Took the words right out.

[B]

Okay, that was different. They had like, no, no, no, no, babe.

[A]

Oh. What? I don't really know about their.

[B]

No. So different than yours. It was more like there were rumors about beef on their season. Yeah. And there was like. Like, yeah, that's a good beef. Not this. There is. Oh, that's. That's a good show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there's supposed to be beef, too.

[A]

There's beef on beef.

[B]

There's beef on beef. And, like, new actors and, like, supposed to be fun, but.

[A]

Yeah, that's a double cheeseburger. Beef on beef. I'm sorry.

[B]

You know what you did to me right now with saying I made you horny? You said, yeah.

[A]

Did I? Yeah, I made you horny. About the gossip.

[B]

About the gossip.

[A]

Like, Like, I said, Jeff, but then.

[B]

With no said, your eyes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Your brain was. I just know.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Like, look at me. Like, I don't know what to do right now.

[A]

Wow. So that's what it takes for you.

[B]

Okay. I'll just say I don't care if they don't know.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

I am dying.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know what I mean? I'll tell you later because I'll tell you why it came across. Like, you could just feel it, whatever the rumors were. It's like you just know. Like, I mean, we know about, like, Aubrey Plaza and the mushrooms. Like, we know that Meghan.

[A]

Oh, no. Aubrey Plaza and the mushrooms just makes sense to me. But I don't know.

[B]

I don't know. Her and Megan did shrooms and, like, hiked or something, and they told the story on, like, a talk show.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then we know that Megan and Leo are together IRL now. I mean, that's. That's news that we know. So. Dying inside and you're giving nothing, huh? But you were in on it. You were part of, like, the horniness is what I.

[A]

Well, part of the Horniness. She's trying to get more out of me.

[B]

You're part of the horniness.

[A]

I'm always part of the horniness. No, it was. It was a crazy time.

[B]

It was a crazy time, and it.

[A]

Was, like, truly a bubble. Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then the bubble popped, and it'll never exist again.

[B]

Like, you have to go into that single or, like, it won't be good. What do you think that Portia is up to now? Because she got some hate. She got some, like, journey with, like. Did you feel like you had to, like.

[A]

Yeah, I did. At a certain time, Like, I went through. I went through a roller coaster with, like, my opinions on the Porsche opinions. Because at first I, like, I took it personally, and then I thought it was hilarious, and. And then I was like, oh, my God, this is what we tried. Like, this is what Mike does with the show. This was like, we were making this girl, so obviously people are going to see her and have opinions on her and all these characters, because it, like, kind of, like, reflects back things in us that we don't want to see, which is what the whole show is. And she, like, very much represented that girl of this generation. So then I thought. Then I was kind of proud of it. And then I, like, read something about someone saying, like, that Portia was the, like, biggest villain in the show, and I was like, that's actually misogyny.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say that. Sexist.

[A]

Like, missing the point, like, and what? Like, so I don't know. I went through a whole journey with it.

[B]

And then you said, portia, haters need to go to therapy.

[A]

Yeah, that's when I was on the point where I was like.

[B]

Or you lost it.

[A]

Where I lost it. Yeah, I lost it.

[B]

That's you losing it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Go to therapy.

[A]

Yeah, that's my. What are the kids going at? Crash out. That's my crash out. It's just begging people to go to therapy.

[B]

Take care of yourselves and figure your problems out. Wait, what is the Aubrey Plaza stalking story? And by the way, can I say that I don't know what it is? Oh, I for serious, didn't look into what it was. Okay, I wanted you to tell me.

[A]

Here in the moment.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You want to hear it from the source?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I'm just obsessed with her. I always have been. She's really easy to obsess over because she's also, like, similar to Jennifer, but also completely different. Like, she is just so herself and does her, like. She is also an icon to me and to a lot of others. So what happened? How did it even start? I. I got invited. I don't know how I ended up. I got some sort of invite to, like, a Chucky movie that Aubrey was starring in. And I knew Aubrey was starring in it, so I showed up, Like, I don't even know how we got invited.

[B]

At the time to the premiere. You showed up? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And I went there, you know, to see her, and I told her how much I loved her, and she was, like, just stared at me and then walked away.

[B]

Wait, did she. Did you have movies out? Like, did people know you at that point?

[A]

She didn't know me. You know, actually, no. I. I had said something really creepy and alarming to her at a. At a award show once, so I'd, like, kind of been sprinkling my. Remember me?

[B]

I said something creepy and alarming at an award show?

[A]

Yeah. I forget exactly how it happened, but basically, I decided that night she was avoiding me at this premiere. So I, like, befriended her cousins and her best friend, and I got them to invite me to her birthday party, like, a week later. Then I showed up to her birthday party. Aubrey didn't invite me. I don't think she knew I was coming. But I showed up to her birthday party because I made really good friends with her cousins.

[B]

But all this is part of the master plan.

[A]

Yeah, well, the master plan was being her best friend. Like, written as I was going, I was just, like, desperately doing anything to get close to. Wow. So I showed up to her birthday party, and I, like, followed her. She was, like, obviously talking to all the guests because it was her birthday, and I followed her, and I just stood there, and she just went, you.

[B]

No.

[A]

And then walked away.

[B]

No.

[A]

And that was, like, the only interaction. Yeah, she's iconic. And then when I got White Lotus, she was already cast. And I got a text from an unknown number with just a knife and a drop of blood.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

And I knew it was Aubry. I knew no one said, aubrey's gonna be texting you. I don't know how she got my number. Probably from her cousin. But I just got a knife and a drop of blood, and I was like, oh, my God, Aubrey Plaza has texted me.

[B]

Wait, so she remembered those two encounters?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

She didn't mean nothing. No, no.

[A]

I think, like. I think it was meaningful for her, too.

[B]

That's like what a serial killer says.

[A]

Yeah, no, but.

[B]

No, but.

[A]

But she wants to be murdered. There's, like.

[B]

She wants to be more like, she.

[A]

Loves, like, the game.

[B]

So you knew what you were doing.

[A]

I think I, like, just trusted my instincts secretly.

[B]

You knew it. You were like, yeah, it is weird, but for her, it's not weird. Like, she'll get the weird.

[A]

Yeah, she got it. So wait, so she gave it back?

[B]

She gave it. She. A knife and a drop of Bl. Blood. Didn't I answer?

[A]

I was just like, aubry. Aubry. Is it true? And so good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And now, like, I.

[B]

Are you friends?

[A]

We're friends.

[B]

You're friends?

[A]

Yeah. I'm still obsessed with her, so there. There will always be an element of shocker in me with her.

[B]

Like, you. You think it can't be, like, equals?

[A]

I don't think so. Not from my end. Because I do. I do. I do, like. Like, I do idolize her. She is better than me. She is. Aubrey.

[B]

Like, is there still a group chat or anything? Season two, Best season ever. You mean avoid lettuce? Yeah.

[A]

No, like, I'm saying it's a bubble.

[B]

And then you go, actually, I did. I spoke to an actress friend about this recently, and she really was like. Because she knows I love industry talk, and she was just telling me, like, exactly that. Like, it's a bubble. You. Exactly what you're saying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there's a reason, by the way, because of how crazy it is in that bubble that you gotta.

[A]

Sometimes the bubbles are crazier than others, and sometimes you do. Like. Like, I do have friends that, like, I feel like I can rely on and will be friends for years and have been friends for years that I've met as, like, another actor on a project I've done. But sometimes you just, like, always just have a soft spot in your heart for that person, even if you never talk to them again or just see them at a random event, like, five years later.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You're just like, oh, my God, you. And, like, you love them, but also, like, you don't have a present. Like. Like, consistent relationship.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But you'll always have Sicily.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You.

[B]

Yeah. Well, what I love about you is, like, I feel like you've said before also, which I feel like has caught wind now, that you're not afraid to be cringe. You've said that before.

[A]

Wow. Have I? Sure. Yes. I feel that way. And this poetry helped me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because to be. To be cringe is to be free.

[B]

Oh, my God. You had a line in one of your poems that said something about swinging car keys on an erect nipple.

[A]

Oh, yeah. That's, like, not a poem, but that's how I gave credit to Lily, who Is my best friend and designed all the art in the book. Yeah, I said art. By Lily Jade Kravitz. The first person to see me ding.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah. Dangle car keys on my erect nipple. True story. It's such strong, powerful nipples.

[B]

Stop. Yeah, that usually happens.

[A]

Is that getting you going too?

[B]

I was thinking about it because I was like, like, I feel like my nipples until I gave birth were like softies. You have strong.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Lady nipples.

[A]

Nipples since I was like 14. What? Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How you know, I always would see. Because I feel like on. When women get nude on tv.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like they like may put some ice or something to get them erected. Oh, you don't need that.

[A]

I wouldn't need that.

[B]

You just.

[A]

Mine are straight to so. Well, they're medium now.

[B]

They're medium now.

[A]

Well, my right is a little harder.

[B]

So back to the cringe. Even though the car keys on the thing was. Was giving. I love that you have like fan girl stories. Even though, like, you're famous in your own right, you're in this world. But you still cried when you met Miley Cyrus. You had the whole Jonas Brothers thing.

[A]

Did I cry when I meet my.

[B]

You said shed a tear.

[A]

I shed a tear. Okay.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, we'd like to. I didn't blow things up on this podcast.

[A]

We're dramatic here.

[B]

We like to dramatize. Yeah, yeah. So you met Miley.

[A]

I sobbed. I fell on my knees and sobbed.

[B]

You got emotional.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you met Miley. Because her album meant so much too.

[A]

Yes. And it really represented like when that album came out was that big breakup for me and it was like really, like freedom.

[B]

And you told her and I told her and she was probably so sweet because she's Miley.

[A]

She was so sweet. She was just being Miley.

[B]

She was just being Miley.

[A]

And then I saw her and Paris Hilton dance together and I was like, this is such a Hollywood experience.

[B]

So you take it. You soak it in.

[A]

Yeah. I love being an observer in those moments. I love just being like, what?

[B]

Wait, so what was the Jonas Brothers like? You were an obsessed fan.

[A]

I am a Jonas Brothers music video star. Did you not know that about me?

[B]

I know that and I know that you manifested it and like had a dream.

[A]

I'm really good at manifesting.

[B]

So what was that like? Were you nervous? Were you like, this is a job?

[A]

I was. No, no. Part of me was professional. Every part of me was like the 11 year old teeny bopper that just like fully was Living her dream. That, like, no one ever thinks when you're, like, 11 and 12 and have, like, a teeny bopper obsession with a boy band, like, you have kind of some delusion that you're gonna marry them one day. But, like, as you start getting older, you realize, like, I will never even be in the same room as these people, no less marry one of them. And I was in the same room as them. I was in their music video. I met their parents.

[B]

How did it happen?

[A]

I have Nicholas's guitar pick that he played that night.

[B]

Where is it?

[A]

It's. Well, I actually just moved, so it's, I think, still in a box.

[B]

Okay, but you know what?

[A]

I know where it is.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Wait. You were a knit girl, and now you're a Joe girl?

[A]

I'll always be a Nick girl.

[B]

I was a knit girl, too, but Joe's single.

[A]

But, yeah, but I will always be a knit girl.

[B]

Joe was single.

[A]

Joe's single. Last time I texted him, he never responded. Really? I mean, he only really responded to me the time when we were planning the music video, which was literally a highlight of my life.

[B]

So you were like, let's plan it harder.

[A]

Well, I just, like, tried texting one other time. Never heard from him again. Really?

[B]

Joseph, you're out here making Tik toks. You have time. I know.

[A]

You're on your phone.

[B]

We know.

[A]

Disappointed.

[B]

Oh, wait. Was it recently that you texted?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, okay. Because he's on his phone as he pops up for me.

[A]

I know, I know.

[B]

Maybe I should try again. You should try again.

[A]

It's like, hey, I'll just send him the.

[B]

But would it be weird?

[A]

They seal. The seal is my favorite emoji.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I just love it. It's, like, kind of sexy.

[B]

Because it's slippery.

[A]

Yeah, it's slippery. And she's naked, and she's just like.

[B]

Wait, do you send that? That's your, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, stop.

[A]

Yeah, my seal's my thing.

[B]

That's your, like, pickup line.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

The seal emoji. Yeah, I get it. The seal I'm getting. I'm tracking. The sale. I'm tracking. Okay. I just wanted to make a comment because I feel like people think you look a lot like Zoe.

[A]

Zoe Deutsch.

[B]

Yeah. Do you get that people think you're, like, the same? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I have had.

[B]

I don't, by the way, swearsies. I don't.

[A]

You don't see it.

[B]

I do.

[A]

Not real life. You don't. Did you see it in pictures or something?

[B]

I don't see it anywhere.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Do you?

[A]

I kind of see it. I think she's, like, beautiful, so I'm honored.

[B]

Right? She is, and so are you, but I just don't see the same.

[A]

I feel like if we could be sisters. And I'm like, the more, like, true. Because one and she's like, the more like, fashion.

[B]

Cherubic. I cannot.

[A]

I have a cherubic energy and shape. I'm definitely booba. This is what it is. Zoe's the kiki. I'm the booba.

[B]

I know. You're reality TV fan.

[A]

Yeah, dating shows specifically.

[B]

Okay, so Bachelorette. Are you gonna watch with Taylor, Frankie, Paul?

[A]

A few seasons ago, I kind of fell off with the Bachelor.

[B]

Let me guess. When? When Clayton.

[A]

When was Clayton? You know, I don't want to say.

[B]

Okay, so you fell off either after cleaning.

[A]

Well, was he sweet? He kind of.

[B]

No, he's.

[A]

Gabby was. So.

[B]

I mean, look at Gabby now, though.

[A]

Yeah, look at Gabby now.

[B]

Okay, Gabby now.

[A]

Look at Gabby now. She is thriving. She's living her truth.

[B]

Did you stop it clean?

[A]

I think Clay. I think Joey might have been. Was Joey after.

[B]

I think Joey. Yeah.

[A]

And that was a sweet season.

[B]

You're such a romantic. That's why you watch the dating shows.

[A]

Yeah, I know. And it also, like, dating shows, like, the chaos and insanity and pain that these people go through, like, makes me feel less alone about the stuff that I go through.

[B]

I think it's like, oh, my God, it's so psycho. Yeah. Like, love is blind.

[A]

Did you watch the last season was such a bummer because, like, I do, like, when there's a glimmer of, like, actual love or real connection. And on that season, no. 1, I was like, come on, you have to have. Have a love story in the end here.

[B]

You gave up on the dating shows.

[A]

No, I like Love island and I love Married at first sight. That is crazy.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That's psychotic.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Have you watched that?

[B]

I've watched it. Yeah.

[A]

I've contemplated going on it before.

[B]

I mean. I mean, I mean, you know what?

[A]

Once in an interview on a red carpet, someone asked me, if you could be on any show, hit show from this year, what would you be on? And I was like, love Island. And the people from Love island reached out to my agents and called me on. It was like, does she want to go on the season?

[B]

Would you fly? Here's a real question for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know they're listening.

[A]

I could have been on this last season of Love Island. Us.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That was a.

[B]

Would you fly to Fiji to host a game and. Okay.

[A]

I've never watched the games.

[B]

No. Like the challenges.

[A]

Oh, you mean a game on, right?

[B]

No, no, no, no. Like, if they were like, haley, come host.

[A]

I want to be the host one day. If Ariana doesn't want to do it anymore, you're in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You're saying it for realsies.

[A]

I think I would definitely be the host before I'd be the contestant because. Yeah, I'm a little more protected. Says the host. Right. But.

[B]

But you want to be there.

[A]

She wants to be. And I can definitely, like, dress up hot every night. I would love that.

[B]

You would love that. Were you a dancer?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Such a dancer's body. No, but I could just tell by your body. Really? Yeah.

[A]

Even in this outfit?

[B]

Yeah. Like, the way like. Like, I could tell.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I love dancers. No, she's getting hornier.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

You still have the crochet page on Etsy?

[A]

I do. Do you want something?

[B]

Well, could you crochet me?

[A]

Whatever your heart desires.

[B]

Do you upload new stuff?

[A]

I do. Really? Like, sporadically, randomly, Sometimes I'll do, like. Like a big drop. Like, once every.

[B]

She's like, this is road. Like, Haley Bieber's road. She does the Etsy.

[A]

Yeah, I do the Etsy crochet drop. I'm pretty much a mogul, A crochet mogul. But, yeah, it's really just, like, the thing I love about crochet. It's a form of art and creation that I put no pressure on myself. It's just something, like, I can tactile, make and create, and it's wonderful and fulfilling and grounding, and I, like, don't care if I'm the best at it or have a timeline for it or. So it's like, I love that it's like that. So I just like when I get a burst of inspiration for crochet. It's all I'm doing for, like, six months. And then I'll do my drop and then the drop. The drop.

[B]

And is it. Does it sell out? Are you, like, selling out?

[A]

You know, the last couple drops I've done with my crochet. And also I've really been into jewelry making lately. Those have sold out pretty quick. I'll do, like, a little Insta story, little link. A little link. A little Etsy link, and.

[B]

But then if you're selling it, you have to have them already, so that means you were crocheting for a while. It is exhausting.

[A]

To, like, like, package them up, put them in the boxes, do the label.

[B]

Doing it.

[A]

Yeah. Me and my mom.

[B]

How cute is Haley Lou Richardson? Like, I just like one to ten. A ten out of ten.

[A]

I'm ten out of ten.

[B]

Ten out of ten. Adorable. Thank you so much for coming on. Oh, thank you, everybody. Go get her book. I'm sad and horny.

[A]

Are you horny yet?

[B]

I'm. Babe, did you not see I got horny?

[A]

Okay. And you're still there.

[B]

I'm there.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm there. I'm there. Everyone get it. It's out now.

[A]

Please, please do get it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, it's actually like, I wrote the book partially because I wanted to release and felt like I needed to release in this way, and it just made sense to me. But I also am really hoping that anyone. One person gets it and opens it up and reads one of the poems and, like, feels comforted and relates like, that they're not alone. That's very neat to me. So I just.

[B]

I think a lot of girls would relate to it, I hope.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Knott's Skinny But Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday.

[A]

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